Monday Morning Mediabase Update – 06/07/09

Yay, David Cook has two songs on HAC, #10 and #11, like Kelly who has 2 songs also, and Daughtry has often had the same thing. I’m just very excited for DC’s success. His cd is #51 on itunes. It’s stayed in the top 100 there almost every week since it debuted in November. Seven months I guess. Forgive me but I am so happy that he is doing well.

^^ LO went recurrent on HAC a few weeks ago, it’s still on the AC chart, but David only has CBTM on HAC currently. Aside from that, completely agree with you, very happy about how his album continues to sell and about the HAC charting.

ETA: Kirsten, there might be some mistake re: Daughtry’s AC number. I see him at #28 today on Mediabase. #24 is Pink with Sober.

Oh, then why did it say it was #10? I’m confused, but thanks for the heads up.

ETA: Kirsten, there might be some mistake re: Daughtryà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s AC number. I see him at #28 today on Mediabase. #24 is Pink with Sober.

Thanks for catching that. It’s now fixed.

Oh, then why did it say it was #10? Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢m confused, but thanks for the heads up.

“Light On” is #10 on AC (Adult Contemporary). “Come Back to Me” is #11 on HAC (Hot Adult Contemporary). Both formats aim for “Adults”, but Hot is a little more edgy…closer to Pop/Rock.

à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“Come Back To Meà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ : ^11 HAC
à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“Light Onà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ : 10 AC

LO is indeed #10, it’s simply not #10 on HAC. It has been out a very long time (over 8 months, I believe) and recurrency rules are different for different charts, allowing a song to chart longer on AC than it would under the same conditions on HAC, for instance.
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Nothing for Archie? Sads

It’s still odd to me to always see the two rockers from Idol, Daughtry and Cook only appearing on Adult Contemporary, Hot Adult Contemporary, and Pop charts. Is there even such a thing as a Rock chart?

Oh, I read it wrong. Sorry. I could have sworn it said HAC for LO. I did hear about it going recurrent but it slipped my mind. Anyway I’m still happy for his continuing success in sales and on the charts.

Is there even such a thing as a Rock chart?

There are three Rock charts: Alternative, Active and Mainstream. Daughtry has charted on rock charts in the past. Right now, “No Surprise” is got 43 spins last week on Alternative and that’s not enough to appear on the charts.

Michael Johns:
à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“Heart on my Sleeveà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ : ^26 AC (25)

I’m curious, does anyone know if Michael Johns’ HOMS has/had an add date on HAC and how its doing there? His album drops in two weeks, and I don’t get the strategy if they’re only pushing his lead single to AC.

Good for the idols! Everyone is doing well! It seems though, based on the bullet, Jordin’s Battlefield is currently the best performing AI song on the airplay (considering it was only released to radio last week). I think Jordin’s strength is really singles sales and airplay.

Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢m curious, does anyone know if Michael Johnsà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢ HOMS has/had an add date on HAC and how its doing there?

I don’t know if it’s had an add date on HAC, but it doesn’t seem to be getting much traction. It received 6 spins last week in the format and 64 in total since it was released. Sorry.

^^ Thanks Kirsten!

I know indie labels don’t require as big a revenue to turn a profit as major labels, but it still baffles me when you see an album about to be released with seemingly no thought put into radioplay and marketing. How are they expecting to attract new buyers past his Idol fanbase?
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At least with Elliott Yamin, the label made an attempt to push his first single to Pop.

I think WFY being a big hit on Top 40 was as rare as lightning striking. Indies just don’t have the budget for promotion that the major labels do. The marketing is completely mom and pop. As in Michael Johns has to do it himself.
Which is why as far as I know the only Idol indie album that did well was Elliott’s. Unfortunately he’s struggling with the second one. Three years out of Idol and very little $ for marketing are really hurting his sales.

And FFL seems to be joing Archie ALTNOY and Cook’s CBTM on the Top 40 chart in it’s failure to progress. At least they were able to get some success on the HAC and AC charts with those songs.

Fortunately, Micheal Johns doesn’t have to sell a whole lot of albums to make a decent paycheck.

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And I think Michael has and will be getting the high profile radio and TV promo that Elliott got the first time around and not getting this time out, probably because Michael is still fresh in the memories of media people.

Well, it’s not really that Elliott hasn’t got noticed or that they aren’t putting money into promotion, exactly.

Fight for Love has gotten hot-picked by various top people, written up in HIts Daily Double as an up-and-coming song with potential, been on several “cool hit-worthy” music listings in industry publications, has won in various face-offs and done well in numerous polls, etc. It’s gotten really almost the same kind of buzz that Wait for You got in that way, and he’s been doing the same huge round of radio=station tours with live mini-concerts that he did for that song. His promotional team is the same one — plus *more* people — that helped get Wait for You up there, and the RED distribution guy has been all over the place with this song, too.

This time, though, radio in general — except for a few stations, which actually report a great listener response to the song — has decided that one hit single for Elliott’s career is enough, and they’re just not going to play this one. Hard for me to see any other explanation for it than that. And, yeah, I know that people say he should have picked a better single, but the polling and such seem to say that this one is every bit as radio-friendly as the last. And it sure beats a lot of stuff by other people that *is* getting played, or, if it doesn’t beat it, it’s certainly just as good.

Seems pretty clear to me that a lot of people are just reluctant to give an indie two substantial pop hits. Doing so would be out of character for radio conservatism, I guess.

On the bright side, I think he’s had two top-five hits in Japan, and his stuff has only been out there a year or so. They obviously don’t have the same system. He’s been one of the most successful Idols of all, over there.

It’s tough for everybody and way tougher for an indie. But I guess we knew that.

I wonder if Daughtry and Cook realized that they were essentially going to end up as pop singers after Idol.

Well, Cookie may be a pop singer on the charts, but he’s a rock performer at his shows.

The whole situation with FFL on the radio is very complicated.Whatever you think of FFL it has gotten a very weird response on radio.

Top radio consultants pick it to be a hit, other stations report a smash and yet most stations aren’t adding it. I think it’s a combination of where Top 40 is these days combined with his indie status.

Right now Jordin Sparks is blowing past everybody else on the Top 40 chart (including all the Idol guys.) She really is what top 40 is interested in these days. She may eventually challenge Kelly for number of hits on this chart.

I wonder if Daughtry and Cook realized that they were essentially going to end up as pop singers after Idol.

HAC is dominated by poprock/light rock right now (Cook, Daughtry, Theory of a Deadman, The Fray, Nickleback), just as CHR is dominated by rhythmic and your pop princesses. Some definitions of rock may be very narrow and/or primarily dictated by an artist’s charting on active rock or alternative, but I’m sure Cook and Daughtry still consider themselves rock singers.

ETA: Top ten HAC songs on ratethemusic today…

1) Come Back To Me
David Cook (pop rock)
2) Second Chance
Shinedown (pop rock)
3) Not Meant To Be
Theory Of A Deadman (pop rock)
4) Show Me What I’m Looking For
Carolina Liar (pop rock)
5) You Found Me
Fray (pop rock)
6) No Surprise
Daughtry (pop rock)
7) If Today Was Your Last Day
Nickelback (pop rock) Never Say Never
Fray (pop rock)
9) The Man Who Can’t Be Moved
Script (light rock/pop rock)
10) Please Don’t Leave Me
Pink (pop rock-ish)

That’s crazy. Not a Gaga or a Katy Perry or a Clarkson on the list.

Can someone tell me what Daughtry songs charted on rock or alternative? He seems even more pop than Cook to me based on the singles I’ve heard.

And I think Michael has and will be getting the high profile radio and TV promo that Elliott got the first time around and not getting this time out, probably because Michael is still fresh in the memories of media people.

I think he only has the Today Show and Ellen (which already aired) leading up to the album release. Maybe they’ll add some more stuff, who knows. I don’t know what high profile radio promo Elliott got, I think the main thing that sold his album was having WFY be as successful as it has been on CHR. I think so far Michael has a more similar trajectory to Elliott’s sophomore album than to his debut.

Indeed, the radio and music landscape is just tougher all around for even established artists. Unless your name is Eminem. And even his sales do not match his last album.

Sony just announced they are reducing the wholesale prices of CDs to retailers so that speaks volumes.

Like jpfan, I think the whole Elliott thing is complicated, and I think we probably don’t even begin to understand all the business issues and radio culture and such that go into it.

I do think the main thing that Elliott got on WFY that separated that from this second album and from what’s going on with Michael J is that Ryan got the exclusive first play of WFY, and kept playing it and playing it for months as other stations very very very gradually added it. With the huge LA station having the thing on repeat play — alongside of the hit-predictor and hot-pick stuff — then it finally became cool enough for other stations to take on.

Elliott has no such boost for album # 2 (and got none for single #2 off his first album), despite very similar buzz and critical comment and survey responses for the song as WFY got. And, as far as I know, Michael has no such thing either.

Without that, your chances of getting very far are really really slim — especially on pop, but not much better on other formats either, as I understand. Ironically, Wait for You still gets a lot of radio play! … You’d think that replaying a first hit a couple of years after its release would make you want to pick up a new song by that artist and try it out, but it’s pretty clear that that is not really the case, except for a few major-label people who’ve had a ton of hits.

I don’t think radio is doing much for music sales either. Since they mainly just play the same songs over and over ad infinitum, people don’t hear a lot of the new stuff that comes out, so the radio doesn’t spark much — Oooh, I like that new song by XX, I’ll go over to itunes and pick it up — or whatever. With the exact same songs played repeatedly for months and even years, radio isn’t tempting anybody to try out new artists or albums, I would guess. But radio people don’t seem to care. They’re doing what thye know is safe for them, I guess, when they keep playing old songs and a few surefire artists.

I hope Brooke gets some good promotion for her album. I think she’d do great on radio if given the chance.

I wonder if Archie’s going to get a 3rd single off his debut album or if they’re moving straight onto album # 2. It seems a shame that they wasted so many potential hits by not releasing them such as Barriers. Of course ALTNOY should’ve done much better than it did. Jive is to blame for that from what I understand for not pushing it on radio. I never heard it once ever on the radio. Ridiculous.

It would be interesting to know how many radio stations or what percentage of radio stations actually have alternative or rock formats because I cannot imagine they have a wide audience in any event. So I don’t know I’d be that upset if my music did not cut it on those stations. Especially given the fact they don’t seem to deem many singles as rock, they must have a lot of oldies in their format because there can’t be a lot of “rock” singles coming out at any one time. Do they still consider Green Day punk enough? Last true rock single I can remember was Runaway Train from AC/DC, from their new album Black Ice, which did pretty good in Canada and they played it on HAC.

The teenagers I know, yes a small and not random sampling, either listen to the same HAC station I am listening to or they are listening to this one station that plays mostly urban music as in Flo Rida, TI etc but I have even heard that station throw Nickelback and the Fray into the mix to my astonishment [I listen to it occasionally to see what I am missing if anything that the kids are listening to]. I can’t even name any all rock or alternative stations in my area except university based stations which definitely have a very low listenership.

Indeed, the radio and music landscape is just tougher all around for even established artists.

Indeed, radio is super wonky right now. From what I’ve read at a layman’s level, pushing new artists isn’t what it used to be, and neither is programming. Apparently the Casey Casem weekly surveys are kaput, not being produced anymore. I have a friend in the biz who is freaked out over his job security. I wouldn’t be suprised if one day the only voice I hear on any radio station is Ryan Seacrest.

Sunshinegirl, are you me from an alterntate reality? I just realized our screenames are eerily similar…

Some people say that new songs are just incredibly hard to get onto the radio, no matter how hard you push. So I don’t know whether we can actually blame the record companies or not.

Hard for any new songs or new artists to break into radio, in most formats, and harder still for indies. So it’s very tough going for all these kids, when it comes to radio. Half of the AC playlist is songs released 10 years ago or longer, so that further cuts down on how many new people will be played.

http://www.futureofmusic.org/research/playlisttrackingstudy.cfm

Does anyone else think that Kelly Clarkson’s I Do Not Hook Up sounds like something Miley Cyrus might sing? I have to call that song a guilty pleasure because I actually like it, but I HATE the Disney pop like Miley sings. Her stupid song The Climb has made its way onto practically every station I listen to. Never would I have guessed that Miley Cyrus would be played frequently on the same stations that play Daughtry or Cook (whether they’re pop or not). But Kelly’s song is also on a lot too, which I do not mind, but I feel kinda weird about that because it does sound to me something that should be sung by a Disney kid.

Some people say that new songs are just incredibly hard to get onto the radio, no matter how hard you push. So I donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t know whether we can actually blame the record companies or not.

Perhaps. But Crush sure was pushed like crazy. I’ve had PD’s tell me that ALTNOY was a great song, but that the label wasn’t pushing it.

Sunshinegirl, are you me from an alterntate reality? I just realized our screenames are eerily similarà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦

LOL! Yep. I’ve stolen your identity – J/K!

I’d say that the bleak future of new music is going to also spell the end of American Idol. I’ve heard that they’re only contracted through Season 9. But I guess it has to end sometime.

True Lucy and those so called music video TV channels don’t help either though I think Much Music does play some videos from bands that don’t get radio play and because they have these bands on as guests you are probably more likely to find new artists from these kinds of shows than radio. I have no idea what MTV America does, MTV Canada just seems to show reality shows and no videos.

ETA Just checked the MM Top 30 countdown and I am impressed – I am seeing songs by artists like Lady GaGa which aren’t even charting on radio yet and other songs that aren’t charting on Top 40 at all. Most of them are Canadian artists as to be expected.

MTV America is the same way….reality show central.

Does anyone else think that Kelly Clarksonà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s I Do Not Hook Up sounds like something Miley Cyrus might sing?

Actually, it sounds exactly like Katy Perry to me. Right down to the vocal intonations, etc. Katy Pery did co-write it, I believe.

From Sunshinegirl: “Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢ve had PDà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s tell me that ALTNOY was a great song, but that the label wasnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t pushing it.”

I don’t get that line of thinking from radio PDs. If the person who programs the playlist likes a song enough to feel it deserves more airplay, why not play it more often (as a brief experiment, if nothing else)? Why does it seem that label promotion is the deciding factor whether any song gets played? Then why do we need PDs? Why not install a computer program, load the approved songs and just let run things?

Unless there are specific industry regulations against playing songs with little label promotion, it just sounds lame to me. (I don’t know anything about the radio programming industry, this is just my opinion.)

Perhaps. But Crush sure was pushed like crazy. Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢ve had PDà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s tell me that ALTNOY was a great song, but that the label wasnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t pushing it.

No, I’m sure you’re right that they didn’t push it as much.

Bottom line: It was David’s second single, they’d spent a certain amount of money on the first one, and they were coming closer to the end of the amount of money they thought it was necessary to spend on this album to get a return of the level they wanted, so they pulled back on the promotion a bit, probably.

At the same time, though, I think record companies may still be thinking — Well, if FIRST SINGLE did well, and people like this artist, then SECOND SINGLE should be an easier sell, and we won’t be required to spend just as much money on that one as we did in introducing the artist. … But apparently in today’s radio, you do.

In the end, I’d still blame radio at least as much as the record company though, because, really, after an artist begins to prove himself a bit, why *should* you have to keep spending the same amount on promotion to get subsequent songs played? But you do if the stations are so conservative that they look at each new song suspictiously — thinking, Well, maybe it won’t be quite as successful as that one we’re already playing…so let’s keep playing the old one. … And it looks as if this is what they tend to do.

Does anyone else think that Kelly Clarksonà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s I Do Not Hook Up sounds like something Miley Cyrus might sing?

I agree, it does sound like Miley could sing it. Nowhere near as well of course. But I still love that song. Ha.

I wonder if Archieà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s going to get a 3rd single off his debut album or if theyà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢re moving straight onto album # 2. It seems a shame that they wasted so many potential hits by not releasing them such as Barriers. Of course ALTNOY shouldà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢ve done much better than it did. Jive is to blame for that from what I understand for not pushing it on radio. I never heard it once ever on the radio. Ridiculous.

Archie’s recording his 2nd album now. I don’t know if Jive is to blame for ALTNOY. On one hand, they did bother making a nice video and taking out 2(!) big mediabase ads. On the other hand, there was ancedotal evidence of radio people telling fans it wasn’t being pushed. On still the other hand, radio people have been known to lie to fans. BUT, it is possible Jive just decided to stop pushing thinking the climate just wasn’t going to be welcoming to that type of song. I don’t think we will ever know what happened. I do agree it was kind of weird that they didn’t try another song, but instead just scrapped the album altogether. But we’ll see what happens next.

I do agree it was kind of weird that they didnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t try another song, but instead just scrapped the album altogether. But weà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢ll see what happens next.

I’m pretty sure that Archie’s leading single from his 2nd album will follow a trajectory close to Crush’s. Jive has proven that they can push a song well to Pop radio, and I’m sure they’ll fit Archie’s next single to what’s hot right now on CHR, to avoid a replay of ALTNOY’s run. I really don’t worry about Archie, even if his first era was cut short, he still managed to have a CHR Top 15 with Crush, and proved his marketability to the tween market. Jive wouldn’t have given him a 2nd album if they didn’t see the potential.

CHART DATE: 06/08/2009
LAST UPDATE: 06/08/2009 10:34:01
NOW IN: 36.20%

43 26 CARRIE UNDERWOOD ARISTA NASHVILLE 6,261
CARNIVAL RIDE

47 40 DAVID COOK 19/RCA/RMG 3,467
DAVID COOK

40 45 KELLY CLARKSON RCA/RMG 2,787
ALL I EVER WANTED

Oh my gosh, that top 10 HAC list from rate the music that sunchick posted is all one song! People need a little variety. LOL.

Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢m pretty sure that Archieà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s leading single from his 2nd album will follow a trajectory close to Crushà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s. Jive has proven that they can push a song well to Pop radio, and Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢m sure theyà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢ll fit Archieà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s next single to whatà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s hot right now on CHR, to avoid a replay of ALTNOYà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s run. I really donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t worry about Archie, even if his first era was cut short, he still managed to have a CHR Top 15 with Crush, and proved his marketability to the tween market. Jive wouldnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t have given him a 2nd album if they didnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t see the potential.

I’m not worried about him either, I’m pretty sure Jive will aim to have things play out just like that. That said, I still think it was weird that they stopped at the second single and instead went through the time and expense of cutting another album. But I don’t work there so I’m sure they did some projections and crunched some numbers to come to that decision.

Well if Michael Johns got the Today show that’s more than Elliott has ever gotten. And MJ was recently on Ellen. Again that’smore TV promo than Elliott has gotten in total for his second album.

Anyway, I wish Micheal Johns and all the other Idol indies including Brooke the best of luck. It’s a tough world out there even for artists on major labels. And the sophomore slump for Idols continues. I already see signs that Daughtry will not be immune.

Just a little report about Phil Stacey: his first single off his new cd, “You’re Not Shaken,” appeared on radio last week, according to his Twitter. It appears this week on the chart as a starter with 9 spins.

http://www.allaccess.com/index.php?dL=/site/myallaccess/mediabase/index.php?report=takingOff&format=X2

And the sophomore slump for Idols continues. I already see signs that Daughtry will not be immune.

Kelly seems to be doing well. Now of course this is her 4th album, so perhaps that is the difference. But hopefully Daughtry’s strong status will help him with his second album. His first album songs are still played to death across several formats. He’s still a very strong presence on radio, so I think he’s one that has the very little to be concerned with.

Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢m not worried about him either, Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢m pretty sure Jive will aim to have things play out just like that. That said, I still think it was weird that they stopped at the second single and instead went through the time and expense of cutting another album. But I donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t work there so Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢m sure they did some projections and crunched some numbers to come to that decision.

Didn’t they put out three singles for Jordin from her first album? All of them did extremely well and at least two went platinum I believe. But I think Archie sold more albums at a quicker pace than she did. It’s kind of strange actually. She had better single success overall and he sold albums quicker. I think his album sales have pretty much stalled now. Not sure when or if he’ll ever hit platinum. I know it took Jordin’s album over a year to hit that, but I think Archie COULD do so before then, but maybe not since they seem to have given up on it already. I’m excited about a new album from him, but I feel like they gave up too soon. It’s almost like he was a one-hit wonder and they’re having to start all over again like he’s a new artist.

Kelly has two nice big fat Top 40 hits. But her album sales have not been that stellar. It’s possible her current album will just equal the sales of her last one and that was considered a huge flop for her because it never went platinum.
She is not the monster seller of albums she used to be in years past.

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If ALTNOY really took off or of Jive at least tried with a 3rd single I believe he could have continued to sell albums. The fact that Jordin had not 2, but 3 successful singles really helped her with album sales even if it took her forever to reach a million. I always thought it was No Air that really got her sales to pick up.

Frankly Kelly’s current sales are scaring me with my exceptions for Daughtry. I know the economy sucks and CD sales are down across the board but look at Taylor Swift, Lady Gaga and Nickelback? For someone that’s on her 2nd massive hit from this album her sales are very underwhelming. I’d like to think Daughtry will have huge success with this upcoming album but I’m honestly not sure what to expect now. NS isn’t taking off as fast as I’d hoped for either.

Thatà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s crazy. Not a Gaga or a Katy Perry or a Clarkson on the list.

Maybe not on that Rate The Music list but if you look at the Mediabase Hot AC chart there’s definitely Kelly, Gaga and KP. It’s loaded with pop/rock DC/Nickelback/Daughtry but also some of the popular pop acts. I think hip hop/rap is off limits there. Oddly enough when I listen to my local HAC station I find it has more variety than Z100 because there’s a good balance of rock songs and pop stuff.

NS isnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t taking off as fast as Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢d hoped for either.

That’s funny you mention that. I just heard it the radio. I hear it on pretty good rotation so far. And I hear Kelly’s latest two singles multiple times a day on lots of stations. Her album sales may be underwhelming considering how well she’s charting and how much airplay she has, but I think it comes down to single sales doing better than album sales these days. I just bought her album though and I’m sure I’ll buy Daugtry’s. I am still old school and like to buy full albums most of the time, but I know that is rare for most music buyers these days.

I agree, it does sound like Miley could sing it. Nowhere near as well of course. But I still love that song. Ha.

Oh agreed 100%! Miley can’t sing to save her life. Kelly sells that song. I guess that’s why I like it so much. I’d probably hate it if Miley sang it.

Remember Jordin won American Idol and Archie was the runnerup. Therefore, Jive was commited to put more money into pushing her album. I still can’t understand why Kris Allen was put under the Jive umbrella. I read Adam Lambert would be on the same label as David Cook. BTW, why no remarks about David Cook’s second album? He really has not had any huge hit, although the album has sold well. Probably Archie’s second album will be a bit more mature. Just got to get the Demi tour behind him for now.

BTW, why no remarks about David Cookà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s second album?

David Cook said a number of times that he isn’t thinking about a second album just yet. His next album probably won’t be out for quite a while.

Thanks Hazelhel..I just hope David continues to do well with his concerts and his album is still selling well.

LOL… There has been no remarks about Cook’s 2nd album because he’s still selling and charting his 1st one, and isn’t close to calling this era done yet. It hasn’t even been a year, I don’t expect a new album from Cook before fall 2010. Daughtry took 3 years, even Jordin took almost two… it isn’t the norm to release multiple albums within a year.

NOW IN: 54.02%

43 28 CARRIE UNDERWOOD ARISTA NASHVILLE 8,308
CARNIVAL RIDE

47 42 DAVID COOK 19/RCA/RMG 4,897
DAVID COOK

40 48 KELLY CLARKSON RCA/RMG 4,402
ALL I EVER WANTED

when does michael j’s album drop?

it isnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t the norm to release multiple albums within a year.

Perhaps it’s not the norm now, but in the past, many bands (e.g. Eagles, Fleetwood Mac, etc.) regularly released album once a year for part of the band’s existence, and some may release more than one a year (Beatles, Rolling Stones, etc.). They got into a frenzy of releases, probably just to capitalise on their popularity. Now they seem more precious their releases (I mean, why should Daughtry take 3 years to release another album?), but I can’t say the quality is better now with fewer releases.

Daughtry has had a string of hit singles off his album. Jordin’s second album is coming out now that apparently no more singles will be released from the first.

Perhaps ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s not the norm now, but in the past, many bands (e.g. Eagles, Fleetwood Mac, etc.) regularly released album once a year for part of the bandà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s existence, and some may release more than one a year (Beatles, Rolling Stones, etc.). They got into a frenzy of releases, probably just to capitalise on their popularity. Now they seem more precious their releases (I mean, why should Daughtry take 3 years to release another album?), but I canà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t say the quality is better now with fewer releases.

Interesting point. That probably had to do with recording costs being cheaper, I bet. Before, you had a whole lot of bands that not only wrote all their own music, but played all the instruments too. Plus individual instruments weren’t necessarily tracked independently. The band just went in an played all at the same time, and were recorded that way. Now recording is a much more involved, much longer process. Multiple writers (more people to pay), each instrument recorded seperately and layered on each other, vocals recorded in pieces and spliced together before they are auto tuned to perfection. I bet labels are highly motivated to milk every last dime out of these albums now. They cost too damn much to make not to. Not to mention the promo costs! They didn’t even have videos back then. Promo meant sending their buts on tour where they at least made some of the money back, and maybe paying off some djs.

Daughtry took 3 years because that album was a freaking monster. It never stopped selling. I don’t think it ever left the Billboard top 200. LOL.

Daughtry took 3 years because that album was a freaking monster. It never stopped selling. I donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t think it ever left the Billboard top 200. LOL.

Nope, it still hasn’t. 132 weeks on the BB 200. It’s an amazing feat. In fact, it’s the 10th longest-lived album on that chart in more than a decade, and is quickly moving up this list:

Longest running albums in the BB 200 1997-present

1. All The Right Reasons, Nickelback (156 weeks)
2. Come On Over, Shania Twain (151)
3. Come Away With Me, Norah Jones (148)
4. Greatest Hits, Guns N’ Roses (138)
5. Some Hearts, Carrie Underwood (137)
6. Taylor Swift, Taylor Swift (136)*
7. Wide Open Spaces, Dixie Chicks (134)
8. Backstreet Boys, Backstreet Boys (133)
9. Flyleaf, Flyleaf (133)
10. Daughtry, Daughtry (132)*

* Still current

when does michael jà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s album drop?

Michael’s album comes out on June 23rd, Lu. If you’re interested I could post the link to the snippets.

OregonMJFan:

If youà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢re interested I could post the link to the snippets.

Please post the links for the snippets for Micheal John’s new album. Thanks.

Please post the links for the snippets for Micheal Johnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s new album. Thanks.

Here you go… http://www.tower.com/hold-back-my-heart-michael-johns-cd/wapi/113498735
I loved the previews and I’m looking forward to Michael’s album.

Interesting point. That probably had to do with recording costs being cheaper, I bet. Before, you had a whole lot of bands that not only wrote all their own music, but played all the instruments too. Plus individual instruments werenà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t necessarily tracked independently.

I am pretty sure multi-track recordings were done quite early on, possibly in the 50s, certainly 8, 16 or even 32-tracks recordings were done regularly in the 70s. I don’t really buy the argument that it is more expensive to produce an album now, given the advance in technology things should be easier than before, and home studios are not unusual now and can make pretty good music. The sad thing is that with all the advances, I still find a lot of the recordings done in the 70s sounding better than what’s produced now (and I speak as one who isn’t impressed at all by the production quality of David Cook’s album).

Daughtry took 3 years because that album was a freaking monster. It never stopped selling. I donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t think it ever left the Billboard top 200. LOL.

Doesn’t the record for the longest stay in the chart belong to Pink Floyd’s Dark Side Of The Moon? And I am sure many other albums from the 70s, such as Carole King’s Tapestry, have more impressive stay in the chart (and I have to say, are far far superior albums) than Daughtry’s.

I’m sure the labels are determine, as you put it, “milk every last dime out of these albums”, perhaps because they don’t have to fork out extra promotional cost, they just need to sit there and watch the money keep rolling in. If they do say it is more expensive to produce an album now, then I would suspect that it is more to do with creative accounting than the actual cost. The music industry is a funny thing anyway, I kept reading about money matters in the music industry that don’t make much sense, there are probably quite a lot of things that are hidden and not talked about publicly.

Doesnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t the record for the longest stay in the chart belong to Pink Floydà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s Dark Side Of The Moon? And I am sure many other albums from the 70s, such as Carole Kingà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s Tapestry, have more impressive stay in the chart (and I have to say, are far far superior albums) than Daughtryà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s.

Ha. Well, yes, there are albums from the 70′s that have, by virtue of being out a heck if a lot longer than Daughtry’s album, spent more time on the BB 200 than he has. Nobody was saying he holds the record, just that part of the reason RCA waited 3 years to release his new album was because in that time he never left the Billboard 200 (and is still current after 132 weeks on, with no signs of dropping-off anytime soon).

Pink Floyd’s Dark Side of the Moon spent 741 weeks on the chart, and an additional 800-plus weeks on the catalog chart. I don’t really see how that diminishes the current accomplishment of Daughtry’s album though (and I’m not even a Daughtry fan – never bought the album though I did root for him until he got voted off in S5). From a chart and sales perspective in this era, what Daughtry has achieved is staggering whether you like the album or not.

And I am sure many other albums from the 70s, such as Carole Kingà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s Tapestry, have more impressive stay in the chart (and I have to say, are far far superior albums) than Daughtryà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s.

I’m sure you’re right. That list is from 1997 onwards and IMO only a handful of albums on that list are great albums. I think that most of the greatest albums were released prior to 1997.

Nobody was saying he holds the record, just that part of the reason RCA waited 3 years to release his new album was because in that time he never left the Billboard 200

I’m only giving the big 70s album as example because many bands and artists kept releasing album even though their previous ones were still on the chart. Carole King for example released Rhymes and Reasons a year after Tapestry. If other bands of that era delayed the release of the next album it would probably have more to do artistic problems, epic fights between band members, severe substance abuse and the like (the stuff that rock legends were made of), or just spending the time to craft another great album (Pink Floyd for example released Wish You Here 2-3 years after Dark Side Of The Moon). From what I have heard of Daughtry’s new single, it’s just more of the same, only not as good. Would have thought they have the time to make something better.

Longest running albums in the BB 200 1997-present

1. All The Right Reasons, Nickelback (156 weeks)
2. Come On Over, Shania Twain (151)
3. Come Away With Me, Norah Jones (148)
4. Greatest Hits, Guns Nà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢ Roses (138)
5. Some Hearts, Carrie Underwood (137)
6. Taylor Swift, Taylor Swift (136)*
7. Wide Open Spaces, Dixie Chicks (134)
8. Backstreet Boys, Backstreet Boys (133)
9. Flyleaf, Flyleaf (133)
10. Daughtry, Daughtry (132)*

* Still current

That surprised me. If you’ve never checked out Flyleaf, do so, if you don’t mind a little female-vocalist-screaming in your rock or alt-rock. Some might call it screamo, but she does it tastefully in moderation, I think. But, I prefer female leads, anyway, so I might not be as tolerant of it from a male frontman.

Anyway, apparently they are to some degree a “Christian” band, but I don’t detect anything overt in their lyrics. They just seem like a harder non-goth version of Evanescence to me. If that appeals to you, I recommend you look them up.