Our newly minted American Idol manages to reach an airplay milestone within less than a week of releasing his Coronation single. Scotty McCreery’s “I Love You This Big” reaches 46th on the Country chart for a top 50 milestone. Given that this is the first Coronation single aimed at Country, it is not surprising that this is the highest any coronation single has reached on that chart.

Also on the Country chart, Carrie Underwood’s duet with Brad Paisley has reached top 40 this week. “Remind Me” appears on Paisley’s CD which was released this week.

Over on UAC there are also two milestones both from Season 3 contestants. Fantasia reaches top 15 with her “Collard Greens and Cornbread” while Jennifer Hudson’s new single “No One Gonna Love You” reaches top 50.

Mandissa’s “Stronger” continues at the top of the CAC chart for a third week. Chris Sligh also reaches a milestone on this chart by reaching top 20 with his single “One”.

David Cook’s “Last Goodbye”, the debut single off his sophomore album, returns to the top 40.

Even our judges get into the milestone game. Steven Tyler’s “Feels So Good” reaches top 50 on Pop while JLo’s “On the Floor” reaches top 30 on HAC.

Details as of 7:19 pm on 05/29/11:

Carrie Underwood:
“Remind Me” with Braid Paisley: ^38 Country (50)

Chris Sligh:
“One”: ^20 CAC (21)

Daughtry:
“September”: 4 AC (3)

David Cook:
“Last Goodbye”: ^35 AC (43), ^46 HAC (45)

Fantasia:
“Collard Greens & Cornbread”: ^14 UAC (19)

Jennifer Hudson:
“Don’t LooK Down”: 51 UAC (41)
“No One Gonna Love You”: ^41 UAC (92)
“Where You At”: 7 UAC (6)

Kelly Clarkson:
“Don’t You Wanna Stay”: ^18 HAC (20)

Mandisa:
“Stronger”: 1 CAC (1)

Jennifer Lopez
“I’m Into You” featuring Lil Wayne: ^35 RHY (37), 42 Urban (43)
“On the Floor” featuring Pitbull: ^6 Pop (5), 16 RHY (17), ^26 HAC (31)

Scotty McCreery:
“I Love You This Big”: ^46 Country (DEBUT)

Steven Tyler:
“Feels So Good”: 18 MRock (19), ^33 HAC (38). ^44 Pop (51)

Note: Numbers indicate position on the chart while numbers in brackets indicate the position on the

chart the previous week. The “^” (aka “a bullet”) indicates that a song gained spins since last week

Upcoming Add Dates (from AllAccess)
June 13: Country: Kellie Pickler “Tough”
June 14: Pop: Jennifer Lopez “I’m Into You” (f. Lil Wayne)

This is the daily numbers thread for Monday.

 
  • McCreerian

    Aww good for Scotty! Is this about what it will look like on the billboard chart for him then?

  • Kirsten

    Aww good for Scotty! Is this about what it will look like on the billboard chart for him then?

    I believe that the Billboard Country chart is based on audience impressions instead of spins. That would mean that Scotty would be higher on the chart since his AI is high relative to his spin count. Billboard uses BDS instead of Mediabase for detecting airplay, so that will make a slight difference (some of the stations they monitor are the same, but not all). Given his AI, I would guess somewhere in the mid-30s? Anyway, it’s bound to be a bit better if I’m remembering everything correctly.

    I should probably have just left the questions for windmills who knows country so much better than I.

  • Eileen99

    Scotty McCreery:
    “I Love You This Big”: ^46 Country (DEBUT)

    So exciting, congratulations Scotty! I’m really looking forward to seeing how the next few days go with this song.

  • McCreerian

    I believe that the Billboard Country chart is based on audience impressions instead of spins. That would mean that Scotty would be higher on the chart since his AI is high relative to his spin count. Billboard uses BDS instead of Mediabase for detecting airplay, so that will make a slight difference (some of the stations they monitor are the same, but not all). Given his AI, I would guess somewhere in the mid-30s? Anyway, it’s bound to be a bit better if I’m remembering everything correctly.

    Ok thank you for clearing that up!!

  • TyraRay

    I REALLY wish there would be SOME news released on Haleys “single” :(

  • brie200

    Good for Scotty. I hope he continues to do well.

  • Swind

    TyraRay says:

    05/30/2011 at 1:18 am

    I REALLY wish there would be SOME news released on Haleys “single”

    I’m thinking we should get some news this week. I don’t think Haley herself has even had the time to sign a contract. It’s funny how we are all waiting on pins and needles for some news. Hopefully it’ll be well worth the wait.

  • x57x

    wow, congrats Scotty and the rest of the Idol singers.

  • x57x

    If Scotty does good that will make 3 North Carolinian Idol singers who are doing good on the charts.

    Daughtry, Fantasia and Scotty in 3 different music genres. Pretty good for one state that isn’t very large. If Kellie Pickler’s new song does good on the charts that will be FOUR North Carolinians on the charts.

  • tomk

    I’m thinking we should get some news this week. I don’t think Haley herself has even had the time to sign a contract. It’s funny how we are all waiting on pins and needles for some news. Hopefully it’ll be well worth the wait.

    I think a few things are in play here:
    1. Scotty & Lauren’s singles are still very much new. Although Haley’s (and Pia’s) singles are intended for a completely different audience, I think they want to allow Scotty’s single to breathe for a while before they release anything else;
    2. We have absolutely no idea if Haley even has a 100% finished single. All we have are the words of her parents, and there may have been confusion there.
    Again, the information we have is so scattered. Haley saying she has to still sign her recording deal. Nigel saying he heard a song for her record (didn’t specifically say “He heard Haley’s first single”). Her parents giving out information that may have been inaccurate. (We know at least part of it was as she didn’t perform anything new at the finale). On top of that, we’ve seen the lyrics to Pia’s first single and have heard that Jimmy is anxious to release – we don’t have a working title, any lyrics, or anything else in relation to what Haley has done or is doing.
    Bottom line? We need to be patient. Pia had WEEKS to nail down her first single. Haley, meanwhile, has been on a roller coaster since her elimination with seemingly no downtime to speak of. Pulled right into rehearsals – then going to events with Scotty/Lauren/James, etc. We’ll see what happens this week when it seems things will die down a tad for her. Hopefully some new news comes out on where she is going from here.

  • luly

    Good for Scotty :).

  • tripp_ncwy

    Mediabase (published) TW: May 28

    US

    HAC
    20 18 JASON ALDEAN/KELLY CLARKSON Don’t You Wanna Stay 1412 1165 247 7.489
    31 26 JENNIFER LOPEZ F/PITBULL On The Floor 708 567 141 3.109
    38 33 STEVEN TYLER (It) Feels So Good 618 408 210 2.929
    45 46 DAVID COOK Last Goodbye 305 287 18 0.863

    AC
    3 4 DAUGHTRY September 1258 1262 -4 8.753
    19 16 MATTHEW MORRISON Summer Rain 219 189 30 1.042
    43 35 DAVID COOK Last Goodbye 31 25 6 1.042

    Country
    50 38 BRAD PAISLEY/CARRIE UNDERWOOD Remind Me 471 178 293 3.814
    0 46 SCOTTY MCCREERY I Love You This Big 334 0 334 3.242

    Top 40
    5 6 JENNIFER LOPEZ F/PITBULL On The Floor 10099 9985 114 63.419
    51 44 STEVEN TYLER (It) Feels So Good 678 426 252 3.049
    59 45 NICOLE SCHERZINGER Right There 668 263 405 5.65

    Mainstream Rock
    19 18 STEVEN TYLER (It) Feels So Good 48 53 -5 0.12

    Urban
    42 42 JENNIFER LOPEZ I’m Into You f/Lil W… 423 432 -9 1.089

    Urban AC
    6 7 JENNIFER HUDSON Where You At 1339 1520 -181 6.396
    19 14 FANTASIA Collard Greens & Cor… 697 544 153 3.41
    92 41 JENNIFER HUDSON No One Gonna Love Yo… 108 18 90 0.836
    41 51 JENNIFER HUDSON Don’t Look Down 62 119 -57 0.85

    Rhythmic
    17 16 JENNIFER LOPEZ F/PITBULL On The Floor 2246 2257 -11 13.688
    37 35 JENNIFER LOPEZ I’m Into You f/Lil W… 757 660 97 2.81

    Christian AC
    1 1 MANDISA Stronger 1360 1394 -34 5.197
    22 20 CHRIS SLIGH One 330 277 53 1.197

    Canadian

    Top 40
    2 3 JENNIFER LOPEZ F/PITBULL On The Floor 1408 1437 -29 11.811

    HAC
    2 3 JENNIFER LOPEZ F/PITBULL On The Floor 887 986 -99 6.197

    Main-AC
    18 18 JASON ALDEAN/KELLY CLARKSON Don’t You Wanna Stay 119 110 9 1.516
    44 38 JENNIFER LOPEZ F/PITBULL On The Floor 40 33 7 0.62

    Canada-Active Rock
    23 19 STEVEN TYLER (It) Feels So Good 80 72 8 0.143

  • Elliegrll

    I REALLY wish there would be SOME news released on Haleys “single”

    I think the singles that Haley’s parents and James talked about where the singles that Haley and James would have sung, if they’d made it to the final two. Like Lauren and Scotty’s songs, these probably lean more towards being coronation songs, than songs that are meant to get a lot of airplay, so I think that they will wait a while before releasing a single for Haley, so that she can have a single that wasn’t about having a moment on the idol stage.

  • Tess

    I don’t think we will see much released from the other season 10 idols until the audience is measured at the idol tour and interest in any of the idols is confirmed. Also for a “real” single release (other than idol coronation songs which get a big boost from the show itself) idols need to be available to push the song both to the audience and to radio stations. Unless the idol tour is willing to sacrifice the idols and not have them do any meet and greets and media sit-downs in order to visit radio stations in all areas then I just can’t see how the logistics of these releases will work…or at least work well. Just throwing them out into the fray doesn’t seem to be a very good marketing decision for me.

    Besides, regardless of how we as fans feel, throwing the whole gamut of season 10 out into the mix at once will just dilute the interest for any one idolette. We saw that during season 8 and one of the favorites took a real bath in singles (and album) interest.

  • Kirsten

    Coronation Single Watch (Day-to-Day Changes):

    Radio Updates:
    0 44 SCOTTY MCCREERY I Love You This Big 365 0 365 3.501
    +3 Position
    +21 Spins
    +21 Bullet
    +0.259 AI

    Across All stations: 481 (+34) Spins and AI of 3.834 (+0.263).

    That AI is pretty high for that number of spins meaning he’s getting spins on bigger stations and/or at primer times. He would be 35th on the chart based on AI.

    ILYTB has been spun on 118 (+1) stations and continues to top the Taking off chart with 184 (+31) spins on 12 (+1) Starter stations.

    Lauren’s LMMD is 4th on the Taking off chart with 47 (+8) spins across 4 Starter stations. She has 187 (+12) spins across 56 stations.

    Itunes Update
    4 (-) I Love You This Big (American Idol Performance) – Scotty McCreery
    10 (-2) Like My Mother Does (American Idol Performance) – Lauren Alaina

  • musicality

    Good for Scotty. I hope those saying that country won’t except him and Lauren are wrong. It was a good top 3.

  • Elliegrll

    I don’t think we will see much released from the other season 10 idols until the audience is measured at the idol tour and interest in any of the idols is confirmed. Also for a “real” single release (other than idol coronation songs which get a big boost from the show itself) idols need to be available to push the song both to the audience and to radio stations. Unless the idol tour is willing to sacrifice the idols and not have them do any meet and greets and media sit-downs in order to visit radio stations in all areas then I just can’t see how the logistics of these releases will work…or at least work well. Just throwing them out into the fray doesn’t seem to be a very good marketing decision for me.

    I think this is why they will release singles this summer. Jimmy will want to capitalize off o their AI fame, and the longer he waits, the harder that will be. UMG and 19 have shown that they will promote the season 10 idols more than they’ve ever promoted any other idols, so it’s a sure beat that the top two, and the others will be making the rounds to radio stations as the tour goes on. I think overall, they are going to be a lot more visible than what we’ve seen in the past.

  • springboard

    I am glad Scotty is doing well. Hope it carries on!

  • koshka

    I think this is why they will release singles this summer. Jimmy will want to capitalize off o their AI fame, and the longer he waits, the harder that will be. UMG and 19 have shown that they will promote the season 10 idols more than they’ve ever promoted any other idols, so it’s a sure beat that the top two, and the others will be making the rounds to radio stations as the tour goes on.

    While I agree with your first sentence, what have we seen to support your second statement? While I do think they will press more, I don’t know if they will have any more time to do radio press than they have in the past. Thats usually why they have the press come to the idols to do their round robin PR. Its because they don’t have time. That said, perhaps they have restructured the tour dates? IDK It may come to pass, but IMO its too early to make that assertion.

  • Elliegrll

    Lady Gaga ended Adele’s 16 week reign for having the top selling album in the UK.

  • http://www.twilightslo.com Mateja

    Lady Gaga also has the best selling album in Australia. The last prediction of US sales is 1.15 million.

  • OldHag

    I think the singles that Haley’s parents and James talked about where the singles that Haley and James would have sung, if they’d made it to the final two.

    I was baffled when Haley’s parents said she was getting an original song but this makes sense.

  • Trina

    Well there’s that detail about how Haley and James’ official domains were transferred over to UMG on Wednesday. I really have no clue what it means but I wouldn’t be shocked to at least see a single to maybe test the waters? Haley IMO at the least is getting signed since she said she hasn’t had time to sign anything – but as in other years they’ll wait a little and Lauren/Scotty will have official announcements first.

    Then there’s also Pia’ single which Jimmy supposedly wants to get out right away. I guess it remains to be seen though how much it will get pushed and to what formats.

    I really hope Scotty can manage a Top 10 Hot 100 debut..any idea if that’s possible?

  • Tess

    I love all the Season 10 rumours that get repeated as cold hard fact. Until I see a press release from a recording company with cold hard facts I still think it is too early to declare any Idol other than Scotty as having a full-fledged contract (and that is part of his finishing first on the season).

    Again…I think it would be recording suicide to just throw out idol 10 original singles willy nilly and see if they stick. It’s been more than a few years that a newbie Idolette has recorded a single (or an album for that matter) that has broken at number 1 (sales) or moved to that spot (in radio play).

    Why is everyone so damn impatient? We now know that popularity on the show DOES NOT translate, anymore, to popularity outside of the show and the fast hit em quick with a single philosophy doesn’t even begin to pay for the costs associated with recording. But then, if people think that debuts like Crystal’s and Lee’s and Allison’s are what idol should be…well then bring on all the new stuff to add to the dime a dozen pile.

  • tripp_ncwy

    Brian has the idol airplay chart up. IdolChatter

    W/LW

    1 1 Jason Aldean/Kelly Clarkson, Don’t You Wanna Stay (5508) (#33 AC, #18 Hot AC)
    2 2 Daughtry, September (2817) (#4 AC)
    3 4 Carrie Underwood, Before He Cheats (2225)
    4 3 Jennifer Hudson, Where You At (1992) (#7 Urban AC)
    5 5 Kelly Clarkson, Already Gone (1949)
    6 6 Adam Lambert, Whataya Want From Me (1840)
    7 9 Daughtry, Home (1589)
    8 8 Daughtry, No Surprise (1527)
    9 7 Carrie Underwood, Undo It (1522)
    10 10 Kris Allen, Live Like We’re Dying (1492)
    11 11 Mandisa, Stronger (1372) (#1 Christian AC)
    ——————————————
    22 NA Brad Paisley/Carrie Underwood, Remind Me (791) (#38 Country)
    23 30 Fantasia, Collard Greens & Cornbread (783) (#14 Urban AC)
    30 NA Scotty McCreery, I Love You This Big (560)
    40 38 David Cook, Last Goodbye (424) (#35 AC)
    44 44 Chris Sligh, One (319) (#20 Christian AC)
    52 NA Lauren Alaina, Like My Mother Does (197)
    80 NA Kellie Pickler, Tough (47)
    89 NA Kimberley Locke, Eighth World Wonder (31)

  • windmills

    Cosigning Kirsten’s comments. Differences between Mediabase and Billboard for the country charts are:

    1-Different panels
    2-Mediabase ranks by points (based on a formula counting spins and AIs), Billboard ranks by AIs only (harder to manipulate)
    3-Mediabase closes at the end of the day Saturday, Billboard closes at the end of the day Sunday.

    Like Kirsten says Scotty could get a top 35 Billboard country debut and set a record for the highest debut for a debut chart appearance on Billboard country. It’s not that meaningful a record but I’d much rather Scotty have it than the current holder Jessica Simpson.

    Expect another day of slow airplay today because of Memorial Day. Weekends are usually not that great for new songs.

    On a side note allegedly Remind Me is supposed to be announced as a single tomorrow and finally be sent to radio. Arista Nashville was asking country radio to hold back on that one so Brad’s single Old Alabama could stay at #1 Billboard/get #1 Mediabase.

  • Buffynut

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    ldHag says:

    05/30/2011 at 10:03 am

    I think the singles that Haley’s parents and James talked about where the singles that Haley and James would have sung, if they’d made it to the final two.

    I was baffled when Haley’s parents said she was getting an original song but this makes sense.

    But they said it after Haley was eliminated. And Nigel’s statement was also after she was eliminated.

  • car3278sweet

    Why is everyone so damn impatient? We now know that popularity on the show DOES NOT translate, anymore, to popularity outside of the show and the fast hit em quick with a single philosophy doesn’t even begin to pay for the costs associated with recording. But then, if people think that debuts like Crystal’s and Lee’s and Allison’s are what idol should be…well then bring on all the new stuff to add to the dime a dozen pile.

    I don’t think Jimmy and gang got the meme on not depending on AI popularity to sell records. And he might be right for this crew at least initially. UMG will put some bucks into promotion if only to show that Sony was wrong to walk away. UMG has a stake in making some money to prove their business decision was the correct one. So there’ll be a bigger push, I bet.

    But this is my ultimate fear for these S10 peeps. That Jimmy et. al. sees them as a fast buck and will pump out a variety of stuff and then watch what sticks – if anything. Quality songs, time to craft a good album, time to work on stage presence, time to put together a solid team for mgmt and promotion…all of that will be swallowed up in a fast sprint to the finish line of selling product that is half-assed and dependent on AI fame.

    By the way Pia has been marketed after her boot, I’d say it’s pretty clear Jimmy wants her to have a single-I wouldn’t be surprised if he pushes her to CHR actually. But maybe HAC. Is the public ready for a big voiced diva like Celine again? This should be interesting.

    Scotty and Lauren will both be pushed to country at the same time – which stresses their “novelty” factor – ah, those cute kids from AI are in the house, aren’t they precious?? – I’m a bit concerned about this. I would think if TPTB want long term careers for these kids, they’d be marketed as separate artists. Ah, well. We’ll see what happens. But clearly both of these two are going to have singles coming out right after the coronation stuff fades. No matter if their voices are fresh or the songs are good. :- /

    Haley and James might get a single thrown out there… ah, but where? Haley has a very distinct and interesting voice but I don’t see a big call for bluesy gusty on the radio. So will Jimmy try and bundle her into some kind of HAC pop song?

    James also is going to be a bit of a hard sell. Pun intended. Metal is also not widely played on radio so again, Jimmy might try and straight-jacket James into pop rock HAC. Both of these scenarios are bad IMHO.

    So all that blather to say… I wouldn’t be a bit surprised if the tour has lots of orginals/singles being sung. And I won’t be a bit surprised if we have four or five singles from S10 idols making the rounds of radio… and those records for the chosen few are going to come shooting out of the cannon come early fall. Whether the kids/songs/production is ready or not.

    Because of the UMG push, these peeps will sell better than Lee or Crystal in my estimation. Will any of them have long term solid careers? I’m going to say, no, at this point. But we’ll see.

  • car3278sweet

    Ah… am I crazy or is Cookie stalling? Haven’t been paying huge attention, but these numbers don’t look good. I thought maybe the video would pump his numbers up?

  • Pam

    Expect another day of slow airplay today because of Memorial Day. Weekends are usually not that great for new songs.

    This. Also, with today being a holiday, don’t be surprised if we don’t get an HDD chart either. With the holidays that fall on Monday, sometimes we don’t get in 100% all of the adds that are normally due (HAC, AC, Country, etc. etc.).

    As far as Scotty goes, it’s been exciting to see how well this single has done so far. I’m not going to lie, it’s has been exciting to have another AI winner this year from NC. That of course is our first winner since Fantasia and during the course of season 5, it resulted in us having 3 talented likeable people in the top 10 with the Daughtry debut album taking off like a rocket ship. Heh

    I don’t want to predict mega super stardom for Scotty but I do hope he can have an album full of good songs that will do well so that he could get a second album. I wish the same for Lauren as well.

    ILYTB has 6 adds so far (that includes the 3 Canadian adds we saw over the weekend).

    Here are the new non Canadian adds:
    Scotty:
    KFRG-FM Riverside #26
    KMLE-FM Phoenix #15
    WDSY-FM Pittsburgh #25

    Lauren (Non Canadian)
    KFRG-FM Riverside #26
    WKIS-FM Miami #12
    WTGE-FM Baton Rouge #79
    WUSY-FM Chattanooga #107

  • Elliegrll

    I don’t think Jimmy and gang got the meme on not depending on AI popularity to sell records.

    I agree. Jimmy was quoted in an interview a few weeks back, about how he thought that if the show just drew 10 million people, that that would translate to the idols selling more records than anyone else. His eyes are very big right now, so it’s not a surprise that he would push out a lot of music. In a way, his reasoning is right, it is better for the alums to have a radio presence over the summer, but the downside is that releasing music that they didn’t have a hand in producing, just makes them look like the manufactured acts that a lot of people are quick to label them as being.

    The upside to this is that even though Jimmy is mainly concerned with making a quick buck, it does seem like he is going to put a lot of effort into promoting these people.

  • tripp_ncwy

    Is it sad or what that S9 Top2 is non-existent on the idol airplay chart while S10 has staked a claim & S8 is still very high on the chart plus very well represented. Casey James really is the last man standing to save S9.

  • car3278sweet

    In a way, his reasoning is right, it is better for the alums to have a radio presence over the summer, but the downside is that releasing music that they didn’t have a hand in producing, just makes them look like the manufactured acts that a lot of people are quick to label them as being.

    And this is really going to be a sticking point for Scotty and Lauren. Country likes the “real thing” and they also have expectations of paying your dues. So if Scotty and Lauren pump out over-produced poorly written songs that they had little to do with, then this is – long term – not good for them. IMHO, of course. Jimmy will get his fast buck, but the kids might not get more than a splash and then gone.

    Casey James really is the last man standing to save S9.

    Interesting you should bring Mr. James up. Unlike what I think is going to happen to Scotty and Lauren (see above) – much to my displeasure – Casey has been allowed to ease into the country music industry, make connections, write some good tunes with some stellar songwriters. Whether this will produce better music and more long term success than the kids will be interesting to watch.

  • Kirsten

    30 NA Scotty McCreery, I Love You This Big (560)
    52 NA Lauren Alaina, Like My Mother Does (197)

    This means Scotty’s ILYTB has gotten 79 spins outside of Country and Lauren’s LMMD got 10. Those were likely curiosity spins and will not be repeated (except on possibly Country leaning HAC/AC stations).

  • Valentin432

    Jimmy was quoted in an interview a few weeks back, about how he thought that if the show just drew 10 million people, that that would translate to the idols selling more records than anyone else.

    That’s not the quote, here’s what Jimmy said:

    If the ratings went down to 10 million people, that’s great! I could break an artist off that!”

    That’s not exactly saying that an idol will sell more than anyone else

    http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/secrets-american-idols-incredible-comeback-189263?page=show

    but the downside is that releasing music that they didn’t have a hand in producing

    Unless I’m mistaking, none of the contestants with Sony had a hand in producing, some had co writes in their albums (but almost none of them were released as singles).

  • Kirsten

    The upside to this is that even though Jimmy is mainly concerned with making a quick buck, it does seem like he is going to put a lot of effort into promoting these people.

    I really think Jimmy’s ego wants at least somebody from S10 to stick. I’m sure he’s heard the industry buzz about how Idols are only good for one quickie CD, but I bet he wants at least one long-term artist to come out of this exercise. Now, that may be Pia, but I’m sure he’s going to invest some money in making one of them at least somewhat big to start off his era of Idol.

    He’s got to be even more aware of all the issues of quickie, overproduced CDs, so I bet he has some sort of strategy for at least one of them. He’d be wise to try it with more than one because you never know who will connect.

  • Elliegrll

    That’s not the quote, here’s what Jimmy said:

    I was paraphrasing. What I meant is that his quotes sound like he is expecting the high ratings for AI to translate into more albums being sold than what we’ve seen in the recent past. He seems to be putting a lot on the show, and very little on the actual music. I think he did this during the season, too. I’d be interested in seeing if the overproduced live performances had an impact on how many studio recordings were sold, and if the amount was lower than what AI has seen in the past.

  • lili_anne7

    but I bet he wants at least one long-term artist to come out of this exercise. Now, that may be Pia, but I’m sure he’s going to invest some money in making one of them at least somewhat big to start off his era of Idol

    If that’s the case, I’m puzzled by this. Jimmy has Lauren and Haley who have IMO much more interesting voices , and yet he’s betting on Pia to be this season’s breakout star? Even her personality is bland, while Haley is cool, laid back and Lauren is bubbly and pretty funny. If I were Jimmy, I would not invest my money on Pia. I think Lauren and Haley have way more potential to have some type of long-term success.

  • Valentin432

    Saying that he can break out an artist sounds very different to me than expecting an idol to sell more records than anyone else.

    One implies very high almost untainable goals like being the n°1 artist in the country, the other is what AI has been doing for the past 10 years when at least one artist was revealed and stayed successfull for a substantial amount of time.

  • iani

    “Ah… am I crazy or is Cookie stalling? Haven’t been paying huge attention, but these numbers don’t look good. I thought maybe the video would pump his numbers up?”

    I think is the karma of the girl from TLG for his last goodbye to her, everytime he gets adds somewhere the song goes down on itunes! Now his airplay for the new song is less then CBTM.

  • Elliegrll

    Here’s the Billboard article on Scotty’s historic Billboard chart debut.

    Scotty’s song debuts at #32 on the BDS chart, which is the highest debut for a new artist and their first since Billboard started using BDS in 1990.

  • car3278sweet

    I were Jimmy, I would not invest my money on Pia, Lauren and Haley have way more potential to have some type of long-term success.

    Jimmy’s problem with Scotty/Lauren is he doesn’t do country. I’m a bit bemused that it looks like Interscope will have a hand in both of the kids’ albums and that some of the songs written for these two appear to come from Jimmy’s roster of hip-hop/pop writers? Ah. Wow. That’s a lot of cooks in the kitchen and some of them don’t appear to know how to make fried chicken. Joke! ;-)

    But really, I think Jimmy/Interscope were looking for a pop princess/product. Haley might have an interesting voice, but she’s more jazzy/soul/blues than pop. Lauren has a lovely tone to her voice, but she’s clearly a country girl. Jimmy and his cooks might try and pull both of these girls into pop princess land, but it’s more of a molding job. Pia is clearly pop/diva.

    I think is the karma of the girl from TLG for his last goodbye to her, everytime he gets adds somewhere the song goes down on itunes!

    LOL. Poor Cookie. The women will get you every time.

  • Elliegrll

    Valentin432

    , I explained what I meant. The quote makes it sound like he is putting everything on the show in order to make this kids breakout stars. That can be a shaky foundation to start their careers. It’s more like that start can lead to some quick cash, but not necessarily result in longterm success for any of them.

  • Trina

    I’m actually dreading the numbers for the album when it comes out O.o And yes I know DC fans are going to chime in saying “but hes an album seller!” The DCO pre-sales, the last numbers we got anyway were not all that impressive and the Amazon and iTunes ranking are poor too. AND the official TLG video on You Tube isnt getting a ton of views either (I think as of a couple of days ago it was around 90,000). It’s all frustrating to watch while he’s out there busting his ass doing all this radio promo. Blah.

  • chearts77

    Here’s the Billboard article on Scotty’s historic Billboard chart debut.

    That is exciting news for Scotty!! I’m so very happy for him. I hope he has much success. :)

  • Eileen99

    This means Scotty’s ILYTB has gotten 79 spins outside of Country and Lauren’s LMMD got 10. Those were likely curiosity spins and will not be repeated (except on possibly Country leaning HAC/AC stations).

    I’m only seeing 10 Top 40 spins through Saturday on Mediabase, a couple of AC and no HAC spins; I bet the majority of those other spins Brian is seeing are unmonitored Country stations or maybe some Disney spins. I don’t know much about Disney – is there a Disney country station, or do all genres play on the same station?

  • http://emuisemo.pbworks.com eilonwy

    I’m actually dreading the numbers for the album when it comes out O.o And yes I know DC fans are going to chime in saying “but hes an album seller!”

    Naah, with weak support from a radio single, I’d revise my album sales projections downward. That’s just common sense.

    It’s probably time for me to run back through my projections and try new modeling for various scenarios (radio hit that occurs many weeks after album drop, no real radio hit, etc.) to build fresh numbers, especially as my old ones didn’t allow for this year’s relatively weak opening-week numbers for many established acts.

    I’m not presuming disaster or anything like that — there’s a range of sales levels at which TLM would probably be considered by the label to have done just fine for its market. But as Dr. McCoy would say: “I’m a scientist, not a cheerleader, Jim!”

  • Eileen99

    Scotty’s song debuts at #32 on the BDS chart, which is the highest debut for a new artist and their first since Billboard started using BDS in 1990.

    Nice. Good bye Jessica Simpson!

  • JudyOhio

    Wtg Scotty with the #32 on the BDS chart! Anxious to see all the other numbers as they come in……digital sales, etc. Am following Lauren too, but Scotty is my fav this year :).

  • Mel1

    I was ready to order Cook’s album and noticed two prices. One is for CD only @ 10.99. I thought that price was really low. The other is 14.99 for cd and dvd. Is the dvd his singles video?

  • Mel1

    BTW, how is the Morrison single doing that Kris wrote for him?

  • CindyM

    Trina, do you think the song is the problem? The long time away from public eye?

  • mmb

    I think its clear that RCA needs to drop TLG and move on to another single. Cook is getting good promo, doing all of the right things but the single is just not going anywhere. It got good adds but it isn’t getting played. I dont think the video will save it. I just don’t think the single is ” him” if that makes sense. He is a talented guy with a strong fanbase. I don’t see the point in holding on to this single which is not getting a good response. Why not move on and get something new out before the cd drops. Nowadays artist drop more than one single bf the album drops

    Fwiw I think the problem is the song, not time away from the public eye. Cook isgetting the big adds ( eg they like him) but the song isn’t getting the spins ( they don’t like the song)

  • http://emuisemo.pbworks.com eilonwy

    I was ready to order Cook’s album and noticed two prices. One is for CD only @ 10.99. I thought that price was really low. The other is 14.99 for cd and dvd. Is the dvd his singles video?

    The DVD is a “making of the album” piece.

    Industry-wide, there’s been pressure from retailers for three or four years to settle on a $10.99 CD price in order to better compete with iTunes download album pricing.

  • suenigma

    Oh wow, fantastic job Scotty! He was my favorite from the get go, and although he got a bit one-note/too safe by the end, he was always “Mr. Consistency”. I am one of those people that thinks that he has a remarkable voice, and professional vocal training and age/experience will just hone it even more . All those nasty Radio DJs and PDs can just go suck it now! LOL.

    car3278sweet says:
    Ah… am I crazy or is Cookie stalling? Haven’t been paying huge attention, but these numbers don’t look good. I thought maybe the video would pump his numbers up?

    The video goes to VH1 this Tuesday, so we’ll see then. TLG does seemed to haved stalled on HAC (but at least he has a bullet), but it is up 10 spots on AC (from 45 to 35 – with a bullet) which is awesome, but strange. I just don’t know what to think. Perhaps it is just a REALLY slow grower.

    I think his album numbers are going to be OK, if not stellar, I would say he has sold at least 6,000 copies on DCO alone, and if he’s sold another 5,000-10,000 presales at I-tunes and Amazon, that gives him a pretty good base to reach 40,000 to 50,000 for his first week, I would think (hope). It’s all a crap shoot at this point.

    He better start getting some decent TV exposure this month though – and preferably some sit down interviews, where his personality can shine, and people can remember why they loved him on AI. I hear that he is chummy with Jimmy Kimmel (notice how JK edited that Idol piece, LOL) so that is probably a given…

  • tierbee

    And yes I know DC fans are going to chime in saying “but hes an album seller!”

    Um, no. I think after all this time most of us are pretty realistic and the stalled out single doesn’t make us go looking for preemptive excuses to be delusional. I hope he does well. I have no expectations. I’m happier that way lol.

  • http://emuisemo.pbworks.com eilonwy

    that gives him a pretty good base to reach 40,000 to 50,000 for his first week

    That’s about the first-week range I’ve been leaning toward lately for TLM, based on back-of-the-envelope calculations. Those would be nice, solid numbers in the current market. If TLG rises abruptly, I could justify going higher, but my projections still top out around 65k.

    The range I’ve always been looking for with the album centers nearer gold than platinum anyway. The high end of my album-cycle range (around 685k) does require a radio hit.

    It’s not that I don’t like the material we’ve heard so far — I do — but that I’m basing my estimates on industry-wide patterns, figuring that it’s fair to hold Cook to performing “about normal.”

    He better start getting some decent TV exposure this month though

    TV appearances typically cluster very close to the actual album drop, so I’d look for end of June, first two weeks of July on that.

  • tierbee

    I think its clear that RCA needs to drop TLG and move on to another single.

    The video *just* hit VH-1, I’m sure they’ll at least wait and see if that has any impact. But if things stay like this, yeah, I hope they move to something else. Me liking TLG might be the kiss of death since I have no clue what makes a mainstream hit since I like few of them lol.

  • springboard

    I think that it is the song that is holding Cookie back. It didn’t get a good reception and isn’t doing anything on the radio. It’s down to RCA now, he need a second single ASAP …

    TV appearances are useful, but they only give short term boosts. He needs a single that gets good airplay.

  • Elliegrll

    The video goes to VH1 this Tuesday, so we’ll see then. TLG does seemed to haved stalled on HAC (but at least he has a bullet), but it is up 10 spots on AC (from 45 to 35 – with a bullet) which is awesome, but strange. I just don’t know what to think. Perhaps it is just a REALLY slow grower.

    Aren’t there just two AC stations that are playing the song? Given that the spins are so low, I don’t think it’s activity on AC means a lot right now.

  • luly

    Congrats to Scotty and Lauren for making the country charts!

    I hope that the video being played on VH1 will make TLG start doing better, but if it won’t: I hope that RCA has already chosen a good second single and that they will give it a big push.

    Mel1- as far as we know, the song has not been sent to radio yet(don’t know what they are waiting for).

  • Pam

    I think its clear that RCA needs to drop TLG and move on to another single. Cook is getting good promo, doing all of the right things but the single is just not going anywhere. It got good adds but it isn’t getting played. I dont think the video will save it.

    I think in a nutshell you just answered CindyM’s question. I really love the video but if something doesn’t happen in the next couple of weeks, then I think it’s time to move on to the next single.

  • tierbee

    I’m just grumbly that after all that ooh and aah and the acoustic performance that 107.3 here in DC hasn’t added it lol. I’m bratty like that. I just leave the dial on 94.7 – I know they played it again yesterday ~ 5:45 pm (and I was rewarded by switching to this station by winning Indigo Girls tickets – score!)

  • Mel1

    The DVD is a “making of the album” piece.

    Industry-wide, there’s been pressure from retailers for three or four years to settle on a $10.99 CD price in order to better compete with iTunes download album pricing.

    Thanks. I just ordered my usual two. I wonder if Cook will come out with a couple of different deluxe albums later on like Adam did. That “forced” me to buy more, haha.

  • girlygirl

    Mel1

    SGT is #361 on iTunes, but as far as I know, Morrison’s label hasn’t sent it for adds yet. Maybe they are waiting for Summer Rain to drop down the AC chart or something It’s still in the Top 20)?

  • fadetowhite

    I don’t know what to make of TLG.

    It’s not my favourite kind of song and I think it’s too light overall: but it’s OK.

    I did think it was the kind of song that suited the radio – light, breezy, pretty much content free.

    I never thought it was the kind of song that burst onto your attention, grabbed and didn’t let go…but I thought it would get played.

    Really, I have no idea about what’s going on with it and what RCA thinks about it and what they may or may not do about it. So I’m not going to worry about it.

    Around 50,000 sounds fine for the first week for the album. I’d be happy.

    What it does after that depends on the music, whether people like it and whether people get to know about it.

    My few negatives about RCA and the approach to the album release so far, is the way they seem to have put all of their eggs into two baskets – Idol and TLG – and the way that there has been pretty much no media coverage outside of the Idol bubble yet.

    The Idol audience may have nostaglic reminiscences, but it’s pretty clear they’ve moved on musically from season 7. Most fans seem to think that the three other songs from This Loud Morning that we’ve heard are far, far better than TLG…

    Get more songs from the album out there, because if initial responses are right, that is where the strength lies. And even then it’s a crapshoot as to whether it takes off or not and whether it appeals more widely than the fanbase. But at least play your strongest cards?

  • Pam

    i-tunes singles: (Season 10 only)
    4. I Love You This Big (American Idol Performance) – Scotty McCreery
    11. Like My Mother Does (American Idol Performance) – Lauren Alaina
    138. Gone (American Idol Performance) – Scotty McCreery
    150. Bennie And The Jets (American Idol Performance) – Haley Reinhart
    153. House of the Rising Sun (American Idol Performance) – Haley Reinhart
    184. I Who Have Nothing (American Idol Performance) – Haley Reinhart
    197. Rolling In The Deep (American Idol Performance) – Haley Reinhart
    201. If I Die Young (American Idol Performance) – Lauren Alaina
    227. What Is And What Should Never Be (American Idol Performance) – Haley Reinhart
    235. Amazed (American Idol Performance) – Scotty McCreery
    413. Candle In The Wind (American Idol Performance) – Lauren Alaina
    444. Flat on the Floor (American Idol Performance) – Lauren Alaina
    505. Don’t Stop Believin’ (American Idol Performance) – James Durbin
    513. Will You Still Love Me Tomorrow (American Idol Performance) – James Durbin
    580. Uprising (American Idol Performance) – James Durbin
    600. Anyway (American Idol Performance) – Lauren Alaina
    626. Where Were You (When the World Stopped Turning) [American Idol Performance] – Scotty McCreery
    631. Yoü and I (American Idol Performance) – Haley Reinhart
    662. Maybe I’m Amazed (American Idol Performance) – James Durbin
    802. The Climb (American Idol Performance) – Lauren Alaina
    814. Without You (American Idol Performance) – James Durbin
    826. Piece Of My Heart (American Idol Performance) – Haley Reinhart
    895. I Feel the Earth Move (American Idol Performance) – Casey Abrams & Haley Reinhart
    958. The River (American Idol Performance) – Scotty McCreery

    Albums:
    4. American Idol Season 10: Scotty McCreery – Scotty McCreery
    9. American Idol Season 10: Lauren Alaina – Lauren Alaina

  • Dakota01

    SGT is #361 on iTunes, but as far as I know, Morrison’s label hasn’t sent it for adds yet. Maybe they are waiting for Summer Rain to drop down the AC chart or something It’s still in the Top 20)?

    Or there may be no other single released … the album isn’t selling that well.

  • Lucy1234

    The article says Lauren is at #49 on the country songs chart, which is good as well. Will be interesting to see if they make the predicted digital sales of 180,000 for Scotty and 140,000 for Lauren. They are #4 and #11 on Itunes overall songs chart. Looking forward to Brian’s digital track sales.

  • suenigma

    tierbee says:
    I’m just grumbly that after all that ooh and aah and the acoustic performance that 107.3 here in DC hasn’t added it lol. I’m bratty like that. I just leave the dial on 94.7 – I know they played it again yesterday ~ 5:45 pm (and I was rewarded by switching to this station by winning Indigo Girls tickets – score!)

    Hahaha. Wasn’t that the guy who said that they had had so many great singers there over the years, including Paul McCartney, and he was one of, if not THE best? Also, he knew a hit, and TLG was a monster hit! Empty platitudes apparently. LOL

    Also, eilonwy , you are awesome, and brilliant.

  • Tess

    Aren’t “sales” counted from Monday thru Sunday. If so, we will be seeing numbers for Scotty from midnight Tuesday through Sunday. I would be highly surprised if his count comes close to 180 thousand for 5 days.

  • Kirsten

    Will be interesting to see if they make the predicted digital sales of 180,000 for Scotty and 140,000 for Lauren.

    I think those numbers are overestimated based on the popbars (which will be too bad because if the numbers come in a little lower, they will now be seen as a disappointment rather than the massive improvement they are compared to the last two years).

    It will be tough to do well on the Hot 100 this week because all of the songs on the top of the sales chart have pretty significant airplay. Usually, there is one or two songs that are coasting on sales so there is a bit of a chance to hit the top 10.

    I think Scotty does have a chance to set the record for the best selling week for a male Country artist. Blake Shelton (one of the judges on The Voice) set the record a few weeks ago with “Honey Bee” at 138K in sales. Lauren doesn’t have a chance of beating the female record because the Swifter owns that at 325K. Still she is going to have a very impressive runner-up debut. She may beat Bo to have the second best runner-up coronation debut (Clay has the best coronation single debut period).

  • tierbee

    Wasn’t that the guy who said that they had had so many great singers there over the years, including Paul McCartney, and he was one of, if not THE best? Also, he knew a hit, and TLG was a monster hit!

    That’s the guy. *Shakes fist at Jack Diamond* (quiet-voiced confession: always thought he was a bit of an a**hole… heh).

  • luly

    In previous years, what was more common right after the final: the idols having only 1 song in the hot100 or several songs?

  • suenigma

    Fatetowhite: Get more songs from the album out there, because if initial responses are right, that is where the strength lies. And even then it’s a crapshoot as to whether it takes off or not and whether it appeals more widely than the fanbase. But at least play your strongest cards?

    This! A million times this! When he first started with the radio shows, he was mixing it up. He did Drive and Paper Heart, etc. Then he did the DC concert and the Narm Convention, and it’s like the rest of the new material, which everyone seems so stoked about, and even his new covers, have been put on lock-down or something. Even some of his best songs from DCTR. He has been playing CBTM, Light On, TLG and maybe Heroes or Mr. Sensitive, period. Why isn’t he showing the Radio PD’s what he has in store from his new album – the next potential singles?

    I do think that Cook seems really proud of the album as a whole. I don’t mind TLG – I think it’s kind of fun – but it’s not very “him”, and I wonder if he’s trying to distance the rest of his “Baby” from TLG? Get this promo cycle over with and then start fresh. I also wonder how RCA felt about Paper Heart trending after the Vegas show, and not TLG? I bet Cookie wanted that to be the first single…

  • Trina

    IMO its a combo of the song plus the major TV he has been given the performances have been lackluster so saleswise he hasn’t got huge boosts. Two Idol appearances and Ellen are really big yet the boosts were small, Ellen he got no visible boost.

    Tierbee I think most are realistic but I’ve definitely seen the last few weeks the “he’s an album seller so let’s be patient” way of thinking though, but then again that’s the tiny “Idol+Tedder=#1 debut always glass half full select group..

    ETA: ah ok Kirsten thanks..I was going to ask if he doesn’t reach 180k could he at least break the record for male country debut. If he manages 138k or higher I’d be fine with that.

  • tierbee

    I also wonder how RCA felt about Paper Heart trending after the Vegas show, and not TLG? I bet Cookie wanted that to be the first single…

    Would not be surprised. I remember someone posting a while back that things were taking so long because they were fighting over the lead single – now the guy who said that was never verified I don’t think (of course not, you can’t break the Cook cone of silence for long) but I didn’t think it was *un* believable. Then you had the comment from Rzeznik that Cook was fighting for his identity as an artist or something like that. It’s interesting, for sure. All I know is I wanna hear the album!!

  • mmb

    I did think it was the kind of song that suited the radio – light, breezy, pretty much content free.

    But, at least to me, Cook is not a light, breezy, content free type of artist – which is why I just don’t feel like the song is ” him” And while he sings it well ( he can sing anything well) it isn’t the type of song that really fits his vocal style. Anyway. I hope they move on to something a little more Cookie

  • tierbee

    Tierbee I think most are realistic but I’ve definitely seen the last few weeks the “he’s an album seller so let’s be patient” way of thinking though, but then again that’s the tiny “Idol+Tedder=#1 debut always glass half full select group..

    Yeah, but “I know DC fans will say…” sounds like painting all with the same brush that we’re all going to swoop in and make excuses… and most of us HERE at least are pretty darn realistic. That’s a very small segment that thinks he’s going to have a #1 debut and all that, and they don’t tend to swoop in here and post. There’s a small segment that has unrealistic expectations on the positive side. There’s another segment that swings completely the other way and are super negative. And then there’s the rest, who are all somewhere in the middle. We don’t have kimberann anymore here (ha) so I think most of the Cook fans left posting here are pretty in the middle.

    This, of course, applies to any fandom anytime anything negative/perceived to be negative happens/is going on. Not just the denizens of Cookistan ;)

  • tierbee

    But, at least to me, Cook is not a light, breezy, content free type of artist – which is why I just don’t feel like the song is ” him”

    Totally agree there – I like angsty/emotional Cook best myself :) I do see why they went with something a little more uptempo, and they probably hoped that special Tedder sauce would give it a chance on Pop. I still maintain it’s a great song to listen to loud with your windows down… and it was hella fun bouncing to it at the Concert for Hope. I’m not a TLG hater, at all. I just think there’s better stuff on the album. I know there is, at least in my opinion, since I love love Paper Heart.

  • suenigma

    Well said Tierbee.

  • fadetowhite

    But, at least to me, Cook is not a light, breezy, content free type of artist – which is why I just don’t feel like the song is ” him”

    He’s not that to me either!

    I think the most telling quote from Cook about TLG, which he’s said in some form a couple of times, was that whilst it was a departure from his usual style, he felt it was still him lyrically.

    Now, I don’t reside in Cook’s head. It’s perfectly possible that he just wanted something upbeat and light on the record and wanted to try something new.

    It’s equally possible that this was the tilt to RCA’s desires and the radio.

    It’s certainly interesting to me, that when he speaks about this song it is standard pr answers and when he speaks about something like REM and Circadian or the instrumentation on something like Take Me As I Am there is real passion.

    But it is a co-write. His name is on it and he has made strong claims for this album as his – albeit one in which he aimed to marry his vision for the album and RCA’s (and he has acknowledged that they were different).

    All I do know for certain is that TLG is not my kind of music, but that I could understand it as a ploy for radio play. If it doesn’t work, then just release the strongest song on the record – whether it fits the preordained criteria or not – and go for it…

  • fadetowhite

    Oh and – in answer to another point: I do think that Cook is essentially an album artist: artist, not seller.

    There is a difference.

    I think he styles albums to flow as a whole – based on his work before Idol, because I’m pretty sure he didn’t have that control on DCTR. What he has said about TLM follows that tradition.

    To me it’s a bit like the way an album like Mumford and Sons works. It takes time to get into an album like that, because there is no hook song – the song that plays on the radio – but the songs all work together.

    (And in saying that I’m not making qualitative judgements or comparisons between the two. They are just both artists I like – it doesn’t mean I’m putting them on a par).

    But that also means that this probably won’t be an album of songs that work on their own as radio songs: an album written to be released and downloaded as individual little segments.

    I don’t think he is a single writer – based on his earlier work. (ETA: it may be different this time around, there’s still the intruiging Claude Kelly co-write to come, but he himself talks about the album as a cyclical journey through a dream).

    As for sales – the singles and album sales from the DCTR era were pretty similar. I don’t think any of us are expecting that this time around – we’d like it yes, but the fandom as a whole seems pretty realistic to me.

  • Kirsten

    It’s equally possible that this was the tilt to RCA’s desires and the radio.

    It’s always a tough call. Last year, we had two case studies. Lee went along with what the label wanted and released a compromise single. Crystal fought her label tooth and nail to get the “best” single released (not the one the label wanted).

    Both songs failed to get any real traction and neither really got a second single. Hmm…What to do?

    I still say that if this dog won’t hunt, then they should cut their losses before the big album push. Why not perform a song on all those shows which might be a hit rather than one that already doesn’t look it will?

    I guess it depends what the radio programmers are saying. If they are saying “NO!” then switch. I bet they are saying “Well, maybe. Let’s see how it goes.”

  • fadetowhite

    I guess it depends what the radio programmers are saying. If they are saying “NO!” then switch. I bet they are saying “Well, maybe. Let’s see how it goes.”

    I’d have to place my bet on that being the case too: otherwise why keep pushing it?

    But I’d also want to see something different tried: if after another week it becomes clear that it’s not going to fly, try something else.

    Get a better sense of the album as a whole out there, because – honestly – if I a) wasn’t a Cook fan; b) hadn’t been energised by those great acoustic covers at Petapalooza and c) hadn’t become very excited after hearing the new songs at the Concert For Hope (having already loved Paper Heart when it was played months ago) there is no way I would be buying This Loud Morning based on TLG.

  • karenc

    tierbee

    Would not be surprised. I remember someone posting a while back that things were taking so long because they were fighting over the lead single – now the guy who said that was never verified I don’t think (of course not, you can’t break the Cook cone of silence for long) but I didn’t think it was *un* believable. Then you had the comment from Rzeznik that Cook was fighting for his identity as an artist or something like that. It’s interesting, for sure. All I know is I wanna hear the album!!

    I remember that as well, and have been wondering if this is what the poster was talking about. Though, I do think that TLG does still fit David’s style but is more upbeat, and this might be what the record company wanted, especially with Ryan Tedder cowriting.

    I think there is still a chance for TLG though, because David is still making some radio station appearances throughout the country, and the video just came out, also. And it’s still climbing on the HAC and AC charts.

  • cheese

    When David released TLG 8 to 9 weeks before the album drop, I don’t think anyone expected it to be hovering around 45 or 46 on HAC for weeks on end with maybe one new station giving it a few spins per week. I like the song, and I love what I’ve heard from the album so far, but the song probably needs to die. David’s West Coast radio appearances haven’t really helped with spins. Having a few stations move from light to moderate rotation isn’t going to get the job done.

    I know the video just came out, but it couldn’t hurt him to have two songs out there. (Wasn’t Adam’s FYE music video on VH1while he was off promoting WWFM?) If they let it linger too long, i.e., until after the album is release, I’m afraid that he’s going to get the same big single launch that Lee received for BLY.

  • Sydia

    It is really hard for me to write this post. I guess cause I’m one of those unconditional Cook fans. I love his voice, his looks, personality everything. Plus, he was really good to my girls when he came down to El Paso. Such a sweetheart really. However, just the other night I commented to my oldest girl that if I didn’t know his past music, and what he may have in store for us is the album, I wouldn’t have any interest in what he has presented so far. His performances have been so dry. All of them. Even the acoustic ones, which, again as a die hard fan I can get into, but would I as a casual viewer and listener?
    I know that he is part of a band now, and he probably feels he did what he had to do as far as performing during idol, but I feel he needs to bring back some of his acting chops to his performances on TV. Connect with the audience more. As far as radio play, if the song isn’t connecting, and he gets so much passion from his fans on Paper Heart, TMO then change it. RCA released two videos for Adam, and WYWFM was really his third song…why not do this for Cook?

  • Mel1

    Cook has been promoting a lot in the US. Is he going to do some promotion overseas? I know he wants to go on a world tour but don’t know if he is promoting his album first.

    BTW, WWFM was Adam’s second single.

  • karenc

    Cheese:

    I know the video just came out, but it couldn’t hurt him to have two songs out there. (Wasn’t Adam’s FYE music video on VH1while he was off promoting WWFM?)

    The reason though they had two videos out with Adam most likely had more to do with the post AMA awards controversy, and it wasn’t getting radio play even before this. Adam couldn’t even promote FYE after that, when he did make tv appearance he sang WWFM, which really also took on another meaning. I believe VH1 pulled the video out of rotation after that.

    I think it’s a different case here. The single is catching on for those radio stations that are playing it. He is getting more press and it was just announced he would be doing some of the morning shows the week the album comes out.

    ETA: Adam had also released Time for Miracles before FYE, so he really had three videos out.

  • http://emuisemo.pbworks.com eilonwy

    I remember someone posting a while back that things were taking so long because they were fighting over the lead single – now the guy who said that was never verified I don’t think

    Oh, the dude with the hacker conspiracy theories that supposedly involved the FBI in his computer troubles? He was a hoot as X Files-style humor, but I’d hesitate to accept that as a source.

    Cook’s been so voluble in his interviews about how the album is his vision — not just the usual sentence here and there where any artist would say that, but trotting out the livelier bits of his vocabulary and going on at length — that I have trouble believing there’s anything on it he wasn’t on board for.

    Also — he’s not a fool. You write a song with Ryan Tedder. You seriously don’t think that’ll be the lead single? Pfui. Man didn’t fall off the turnip truck yesterday.

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  • Mel1

    Adam had also released Time for Miracles before FYE, so he really had three videos out.

    But TfM was used to promote the movie, not Adam’s album. Adam never promoted TfM.

  • tripp_ncwy

    nvm

  • tomk

    But they said it after Haley was eliminated. And Nigel’s statement was also after she was eliminated.

    Thinking back to Nigel’s tweet, he also said “I hope all of you professing love will give her a good start.” in reference to the song Jimmy played for him. I guess this can be seen as a hint that the song Jimmy played is meant to be a first single for Haley. But I doubt anything is etched in stone. Was Haley recording original music while still competing on stage? I guess it is possible. So much is unknown.
    I do think they want to strike while the iron is hot though – “The Voice” will be crowning a champ before the end of the summer – then once that is over, “The X-Factor” will be starting up….new favorites will emerge, and most of the Idols will be forgotten about. Interscope likely doesn’t want to wait too long to promote the artists they are keeping. And I bet we’re going to see Pia/Haley/James (assuming they are all signed) doing some promotional work even when on tour.

  • bentley1530

    mmb says:
    05/30/2011 at 12:24 pm

    I think its clear that RCA needs to drop TLG and move on to another single…. He is a talented guy with a strong fanbase. I don’t see the point in holding on to this single which is not getting a good response. Why not move on and get something new out before the cd drops. Nowadays artist drop more than one single bf the album drops

    Indeed, I read somewhere that Beyonce is planning to change her next single from the ballad she sang on the AI final to something else because the response was not as strong as expected and her first single has not performed as well as expected (but I can not understand why anyone expected it to be a major summer smash) so she will be on her third single when her album is released.

  • karenc

    Mel1 says:
    05/30/2011 at 3:43 pm
    But TfM was used to promote the movie, not Adam’s album. Adam never promoted TfM.

    Right, but that’s why some are saying Adam had 3 singles out. He really didn’t because TFM wasn’t part of his album promotion.

  • PomWellington

    His performances have been so dry. All of them. Even the acoustic ones, which, again as a die hard fan I can get into, but would I as a casual viewer and listener?
    I know that he is part of a band now, and he probably feels he did what he had to do as far as performing during idol, but I feel he needs to bring back some of his acting chops to his performances on TV. Connect with the audience more.

    Sydia: I couldn’t agree with you more, although it really pains to me to say so! Don’t want anyone to start throwing tomatoes – but I have been thinking the same thing – ever since his appearance last year on Idol (March 2010) – when he performed Jumping Jack Flash and he was completely awesome! Totally “on” and engaged and moving around the stage. That performance was HOT, but I haven’t seen anything like it since. I think he was OK at Busch Gardens and maybe the heat was a bit debilitating, so I would not really count those performances, but yeah, definitely there is some spark missing (IMHO) since last year. I hope it doesn’t last and he will get his mojo back because having seen him perform several times, he is certainly capable of it. I just dont know what to think cuz I too love him to death and want nothing but the best for him – he deserves it!!

  • karenc

    Bentley:

    But wouldn’t the response for someone like Beyonce be faster anyway if it were going to chart well? And a bigger pop star probably has more resourses for promotion anyway.

  • bentley1530

    karenc says:
    05/30/2011 at 4:32 pm

    Bentley:

    But wouldn’t the response for someone like Beyonce be faster anyway if it were going to chart well? And a bigger pop star probably has more resourses for promotion anyway.

    You are right and I have not idea of how much it cost to launch a single (just that it is a lot of money) but what is the value of putting a lot of energy and performances on a single that is not working. With so many albums and singles being released DC has a small window to get this going. If he has a stronger single to release maybe it is time to move on.

  • fadetowhite

    Cook’s live performances in concert, that I’ve seen on Youtube via the fans, have continued to be great. Loved the recent videos from Petapalooza and the Concert For Hope. The acoustic radio shows are a little different and more low key, in the way acoustic performances are and seemingly on a very limited repetitive loop, but I’ve seen/heard some great performances from them too.

    However, for whatever reason, none of his performances on AI since he won have had any passion, apart from Permenant (and that had obvious reasons for the emotional strength behind it). More than that, his voice doesn’t seem to carry any of the richness and strength when on the show that it does outside it (again, with the exception of Permenant) or indeed that it did when he was competing on it.

    I have no idea why that is, but it’s come to the point where I don’t look forward to seeing him on the programme and kind of wish he’d stop appearing on it, because there doesn’t seem to be much benefit and it reinforces an incorrect image of him as being a bland performer.

    IMO, of course – and speaking as a huge fan…

  • karenc

    Fadetowhite:

    I kind of know what you mean, other than Permanent, I think his best performance on AI had been JJF last year, it seemed to capture the energy I see from him in concert.

    And I’m a huge fan too.

  • http://emuisemo.pbworks.com eilonwy

    However, for whatever reason, none of his performances on AI since he won have had any passion, apart from Permenant

    Y’know, when Cook performed DYFAM, non-fans on Twitter went nuts with praise and the Idol blogosphere was generally positive. The couple of newspaper critics who ordinarily go after any opportunity to slam Cook — Caramanica from the NYT and the WaPo gal — ignored it, which suggests they couldn’t find anything negative to say. The perception that something’s missing seems to be limited to a sector of fans, not something shared by the general public.

    As far as richness of voice… the sound mixing on Idol this year sucks. But it sucks for every performer. TPTB really need to try organically-fed free-range sound engineers rather than keeping them in tiny cages and feeding them from the value menu at Taco Bell.

  • karenc

    bentley1530 says:
    05/30/2011 at 4:45 pm
    karenc says:
    05/30/2011 at 4:32 pm

    Bentley:

    You are right and I have not idea of how much it cost to launch a single (just that it is a lot of money) but what is the value of putting a lot of energy and performances on a single that is not working. With so many albums and singles being released DC has a small window to get this going. If he has a stronger single to release maybe it is time to move on.

    I think, though being that they just produced the video, and he is still doing promotion for radio stations, it might be better to wait a few more weeks. Why put money into a video and not even give it a chance to catch on

    I live in the Northeast, and he is doing a lot of appearances in the next couple of weeks. And there has been a lot of response for the appearances, even if the radio stations haven’t picked up the single yet. That’s why I think it’s too soon to stop promoting the single.

  • karenc

    eilonwy

    The perception that something’s missing seems to be limited to a sector of fans, not something shared by the general public

    As far as richness of voice… the sound mixing on Idol this year sucks. But it sucks for every performer.

    I’m a huge fan, and I love all of his performances on TV, I think he does great, but I do think he’s even better in concert. I think that’s what some are seeing especially if they are fans that have seen him in concert.

    THough you are right about the sound mixing, too, that might be part of what we are seeing.

  • fadetowhite

    Eilonwy:

    Yeah, I’d agree that the sound mix on Idol sucks: surely another reason not to premiere your single there?

    But I’d have to agree with those who say that there’s just no apparent connection in his performances on the show: with the live audience, with the song, with the lyrics, with the camera, with anything.

    And I find that strange, because it’s connection – with any one of those things or with all or with a mix – that made him such an interesting performer to me in the first place and that keeps him being an interesting performer, quite apart from the fact that I like his music.

    It’s got to be something to do with the context of performing on the show, because I haven’t seen it in any of his other performances anywhere else. Even performing TLG on Ellen he was far more engaged.

    It’s weird.

    And yes, I had read about the immediate Twitter response and I’ve read good blog comments, but I’ve also read plenty of negative responses on blogs and boards, so it wasn’t anywhere near a universal love fest in response to DYFAM (not that I’d expect it to be, even if the performance was blindingly brilliant). But the positive responses on Twitter don’t change the way it appears to me and they didn’t make the song speed up the i-tunes chart that much either…

  • tripp_ncwy

    I think, though being that they just produced the video, and he is still doing promotion for radio stations, it might be better to wait a few more weeks. Why put money into a video and not even give it a chance to catch on

    Ask Kris Allen about The Truth. Just sayin.

  • Pam

    It’s got to be something to do with the context of performing on the show, because I haven’t seen it in any of his other performances anywhere else. Even performing TLG on Ellen he was far more engaged.

    It’s weird.

    It’s downright strange. My faves were Permanent and JFF. With JFF, it just looked Dave was having so much fun performing on that stage. It was like he was back home on familiar turf. Now, it’s like something is just lacking and it just doesn’t make sense. Yes, I’m a fan too.

  • Chicagolaw

    As great a live performer as David is, TLG is just not a great live song. I think they should give it a couple more weeks, but they should be ready to switch to something stronger before he starts all the live performances for the album drop. Certainly they won’t want to “waste” all the promo opportunities in late June on a single that’s done.’

    Sometimes I think Cook is caught between two worlds. I know he understands the importance of commercial success and label success, but I have to think this isn’t really the way he wants to go about it. Although, he doesn’t have much of a choice. I’m sure he would really rather be the Foo Fighters, if that makes sense. Playing for Idol and Ellen is great, but it’s maybe not exactly what he had in mind. I agree with with those who feel he is missing a certain spark, or a certain sense of “fun.”

  • mmb

    Why put money into a video and not even give it a chance to catch on

    The video can still play while they launch the second song and make a second video. RCA kept Adams FYE video out there until about a week or two before the wwfm video was ready. I don’t think you hang onto a song that is not getting a good response just because a video was shot. The video can also be used in other countries if TLG ever gets released there

    I think the situation with The Truth video was a little different in that they waited so long to shoot the video that by the time it came out TT had peaked, or was close to peaking on HAC. I don’t know why the video was pulled from the T20 countdown when it was, but it was probably because it had peaked chartwise. Had the video come out earlier in the songs run it may have helped more. But who knows. TT was a tough sell for a summer song. Even so, it got the big hac adds and went top 20

  • http://emuisemo.pbworks.com eilonwy

    I guess I’m a little puzzled as to why some fans’ impression of Cook’s Idol performances is being used as an explanation for why TLG isn’t gaining radio play more quickly. Nobody’s complained about the quality of his private radio gigs, and radio program directors (along with their listeners) would be evaluating the quality of the recorded studio version, not the Idol performance.

    As far as individual sales of TLG, it was never going to sell substantial numbers without radio play. Sparks’ Idol performance was in a week in which she sold 33k copies of her new single — but she’s primarily in a singles-selling genre, and 33k isn’t that impressive compared to Idol bumps in former years. When Bruno Mars appeared on Idol, yes, his absolute sales numbers for that week were impressive, but they were within 3% of what he’d sold the week before without Idol.

  • karenc

    If a single is steady or still rising on the charts how could it be considered a failure?

  • CindyM

    The reason though they had two videos out with Adam most likely had more to do with the post AMA awards controversy, and it wasn’t getting radio play even before this. Adam couldn’t even promote FYE after that, when he did make tv appearance he sang WWFM, which really also took on another meaning. I believe VH1 pulled the video out of rotation after that.

    RCA had already switched to WWFM before the AMAs or the video premiered. I posted the timeline the other day in response to someone, but here goes:

    10/30/09 FYE premieres on KiisFM.
    11/5/09 song goes on sale on itunes
    11/14/09 WWFM premieres on CHR Open House Party
    11/18/09 Z100 Adds WWFM and begins playing it, they never added FYE
    11/22/09 AMAs
    11/23/09 Kiis and WPLJ add WWFM
    11/29/09 FYE video premieres on VH1

    Obviously the big PDs were upfront with RCA that they werent going to play FYE, which is probably a good thing because RCA knew definitively to move to WWFM.

  • PomWellington

    I guess the thing for me with TLG, whether or not it’s gaining/not gaining radio play, is when I have seen him perform it live (or live-ish), whether it was on Idol or Ellen, or elsewhere (if indeed I have actually have seen any other YouTubes or not – the fact that I can’t recall just goes to the heart of this post) – is that, well okay, this is an uptempo, lively song (never mind the subject matter) – yet he doesn’t perform it that way. He just stands there, disengaged almost, and sure, many of his songs do not require him to do anything BUT stand there and hug the mike – but, I have seen him live, so I know the diff. All I am saying, is comparing his performance last year on Idol of JJF to this year with TLG – night and day. I don’t see the energy, enthusiasm or spark. And this has absolutely Nothing to do with his voice – he sounds just fine to me, that’s not the “problem”; what he doesn’t appear to be doing is “selling” the song. Just an opinion.

  • soverymel

    RCA kept Adams FYE video out there until about a week or two before the wwfm video was ready.

    Not really though. FYE was on the last countdown of 2009 on 12/12 but they pulled it before the countdowns started back up in 2010. And WWFM didn’t debut on the countdown until 1/23. So more than a month in between. That’s not a big deal in the scheme of things in retrospect, but at the time it seemed like a huge WTF.

    That doesn’t mean that the vid can’t still do some good racking up views out there on youtube though.

    http://atrl.net/forums/showthread.php?t=65036&page=3
    http://atrl.net/forums/showthread.php?t=81320

  • Trina

    I guess I’m a little puzzled as to why some fans’ impression of Cook’s Idol performances is being used as an explanation for why TLG isn’t gaining radio play more quickly. Nobody’s

    Speaking for myself only, I’m not doing that. I’m using his recent performances as possible reasons why TLG (and DYFAM) didnt see major sales boosts. There was one time when he DID get better boosts coming off Idol. And as mentioned above it wasnt just fans that commented on not being crazy about his performances but regular Idol fans who remarked that he seemed different from when he use to be on Idol. When I questioned the lack of any boost from Ellen the reasoning was that her audience is small. So if Idol in general doesnt give boosts, which is as big as you can get right now in terms of exposure then what happens come 6/28 if airplay is still struggling and hes doing smaller shows like Regis & Kelly and George Lopez?

    It’s downright strange. My faves were Permanent and JFF. With JFF, it just looked Dave was having so much fun performing on that stage. It was like he was back home on familiar turf. Now, it’s like something is just lacking and it just doesn’t make sense. Yes, I’m a fan too.

    It’s All I am saying, is comparing his performance last year on Idol of JJF to this year with TLG – night and day. I don’t see the energy, enthusiasm or spark. And this has absolutely Nothing to do with his voice – he sounds just fine to me, that’s not the “problem”; what he doesn’t appear to be doing is “selling” the song. Just an opinion..

    Yeah exactly. I prefer anyone I’m a fan of to make feel happy watching them and I havent felt that with him. The last thing he did that really made me feel something was his Rolling In the Deep cover and even that I chalk up to absolutely loving the song. If the thing with TLG is he isnt selling the song, well thats not good either. I didnt really like LO but he SOLD the hell out of that song live.

  • soverymel

    I don’t know though, I wouldn’t give up on TLG yet. Sometimes it just takes a song time to work its way up the radio charts.

  • tripp_ncwy

    iTunes Update Coronation Single Watch

    #5. I Love You This Big (American Idol Performance) – Scotty McCreery

    #14. Like My Mother Does (American Idol Performance) – Lauren Alaina

  • Incipit

    Respectfully, I don’t buy one bit of that, and never will – the subtext make no sense.

    This all of a sudden David Cook is dogging a song he doesn’t like, and being all Passive/Aggresive with performances? Ah. No.

    “As If” he was in love with the Magic Rainbow – or really wanted to do fifty plus performances of DWMAT. He had enough acting chops to pull those off, but suddenly they have deserted him? I don’t think so.

    Dude said he can’t half-ass…so you believe him, or you don’t.

    Any disappointment is purely personal perception..David didn’t do something you wanted/expected him, to do. Got it. .be as disappointed as you like, as far as I’m concerned – but ascribing it to lackluster performances is complete projection, IMO.

    JMO. Of Course.

  • PomWellington

    Incipit: Then how do you explain the difference in his performance style when he did JJF – the exuberance, the joie de vivre, the sheer electricity of that performance versus either of the two performances (Idol and Ellen) of TLG – a similar uptempo song to JJF – or do you mean you did not detect a difference between the three? And just for the record, for me, it’s not a question of disappointment, I love him no matter what. He certainly in no way has to “sell” me – ever – but I just don’t understand why he seemed on both occasions to sing, oh I don’t know the right word to use here – maybe in a perfunctory fashion?

  • Lucy1234

    Update on Itunes sales for compilation albums for Scotty and Lauren on the overall chart:

    Scotty #4
    Lauren #9

    Nice to see the Idol performance albums holding up on Itunes.

    One thing that is strange. The coronation singles are on the country singles sales chart as #1 and #2 and the compilation albums are on the country albums chart as #2 and #3 but the songs from both of the albums are not on the country chart but are on Pop.

  • JudyOhio

    but the songs from both of the albums are not on the country chart but are on Pop.

    Right, I noticed that…Gone is a country song, why is it selling under Pop?

  • Incipit

    Yep, Pom Wellington. Exactly so – personal perception. I’ve had plenty of experience reading about it in Season7 – the singing was this, the song was that – the notes were sharp, the notes were flat – except. They weren’t. Kurosawa Redux.

    My favorite example was all the ‘experts’ weighing in on “Music of the Night.” That was too damn funny – till Howard McGillin gave a professional opinion that ‘David Nailed It’.

    Some people have the grace to say ‘my expectations were messing with reality’ – most do not. People outside the Bubble, without those expectations, liked the performances just fine, as has been reported here.

    The best, or worst, as the case may be – would be people parroting that DYFAM on Idol was lackluster – what sort of blinders does it take to compare a chopped up Idol performance, with it’s usual sound problems – to the record, or the R4H performance – ignore all the particulars, and blame it on the artist? That’s what they are doing.

    Is there some reason no one wants to note that – Idol cut the song down, by a lot, to fit their montage and chopped out most of the music and lyrics that gave the song it’s urgency –
    The whole build in the middle to the finish was gone – the second set of ‘downs’, that David went way up on in DC – missing – and then they cut the finish too – eliminated the vocal nuances, and the swelling music – “…..will you walk away ……will you walk on by ……come on, call my name… will you call my NAME……I say la, la, la, la,…..” – all chopped out. You “Fans” didn’t notice what was missing? Everything that drove the song, that’s all.

    And then we find out it had to be taped – no interaction w/ a live audience possible –
    Shirley Halperin of The Hollywood Reporter ran this bit with her Picture Gallery of the American Idol Season 10 Finale:
    David Cook
    Season 7 winner David Cook pre-taped his performance of the year’s send-off song, a cover of Simple Minds’ “Don’t You (Forget About Me),” on Tuesday. Why not play it live? “There was a last-minute snafu about getting the stage set for the live show,” Cook told THR on the red carpet. “So rather than finger sync or lip sync it, we opted to pre-tape so we could play it live.” ”

    Yes, I say it’s personal perception, with a little bit of bandwagon jumping, or, maybe, a lot. Because I’ve seen it before, and I still don’t buy it.

    Respectfully, Give Me a Break.

  • PomWellington

    Incipit. Notwithstanding I was in no way referring to Cook’s performance of DYFAM (not sure why it is even coming up now – I thought that performance was just fine fwiw); but if you are saying that he’s perfect 100% of the time without flaw – hey – you are certainly entitled to yr opinion, as am I. I guess we can agree to disagree. And on that note, I’m outta here. Nice chatting with you!

  • tierbee

    Is there some reason no one wants to note that – Idol cut the song down, by a lot, to fit their montage and chopped out most of the music and lyrics that gave the song it’s urgency –

    They totally chopped the crap out of the song… And they took away the “la la’s” dammit. One of my favorite parts for, well, several reasons. *grin* I still don’t think TLG’s current trajectory (or lack of) has much to do with what seem to often be perceived or for real “flat” performances. And it’s not apples to apples to compare live performances vs. chopped up taped Idol performance with crap sound. (Why DOES Idol have such crap sound anyway? You’d think they’d fix that… hire the folks from the Sing Off…)

    That said, I don’t think these performances have had much to do with TLG’s trajectory, really. For some reason the song isn’t sticking right now. Maybe that will change, maybe not. I’ll continue to be irritated at Jack Diamond in the meantime heh.

    (And having watched him live at the Concert for Hope, he hasn’t lost it. Maybe it isn’t translating on TV for whatever reason but… spark’s still there.For what it’s worth, I don’t think he farts rainbows so I’m not just saying it to be in the CoolCookFans club. I honestly don’t see the “lost spark” thing)

    Now I will say it’s kinda fun to track Scotty and Lauren since I like them well enough but am not invested. This is my kind of numbers watching… slightly detached but still interested ;)

  • suenigma

    For what’s it’s worth, Cook said at a radio Meet and Greet a couple of days after DYFAM that his in-ears weren’t working correctly, and the only thing he could hear was a clicking noise. So there’s that too.

  • Incipit

    but if you are saying that he’s perfect 100% of the time without flaw

    Interesting leap to take – considering that I never said it. What I said seemed simple enough to me, Personal perceptions and expectations play into what is perceived to be facts…and they are just opinions, that one may agree with or not. I don’t.

    If, in order to buy into that opinion, I would have to believe that David is dogging performances – Then I double don’t. But – That’s Just My Opinion.

    Also Kurasowa Redux. That too.

  • Sydia

    Ok. I flove Cook, and never said, or implied, his latest performances were bad in any way. I’m sure that even if he would’ve gotten a higher boost to TLG in sales from his idol performance the trajectory of the song’s airplay probably would’ve been the same.

  • tierbee

    I’m sure that even if he would’ve gotten a higher boost to TLG in sales from his idol performance the trajectory of the song’s airplay probably would’ve been the same.

    I’m kinda thinking the same. And the reasons for this are pretty unknowable unless you have the inside PD scoop… whether or not it will pick up, I guess we’ll find out. If not I hope they throw a good one out there for try #2. And did I mention I want the album like yesterday?

  • https://twitter.com/pmhowden undercooked

    I’m sure that even if he would’ve gotten a higher boost to TLG in sales from his idol performance the trajectory of the song’s airplay probably would’ve been the same.

    ITA – I am chuckling because some of us had the same discussion about Adam’s performance on IDOL when he sang his “Aftermath” charity single. I really do think the sound is off for guest performers. I think the AI sound engineers must have the mix set up for the AI band and they don’t want to touch the controls to accommodate the guest performers. I thought Adam did well on his performance, but I admit I have heard him sing that song better. I wasn’t blown away by his vocals. Many of his fans felt he did good, but it wasn’t up to his usual high standard.

  • iani

    Chicagolaw says:
    05/30/2011 at 6:34 pm “Sometimes I think Cook is caught between two worlds. I know he understands the importance of commercial success and label success, but I have to think this isn’t really the way he wants to go about it. Although, he doesn’t have much of a choice. I’m sure he would really rather be the Foo Fighters, if that makes sense. Playing for Idol and Ellen is great, but it’s maybe not exactly what he had in mind.”

    I agree with these comments about David’s situation. His first album was out in 6 months, while he was on AI tour there was not too much time to negotiate except to come with a sufficient good album that represents him. With the second one I think he had asked for more, based on his success with 3 singles and over million album-sale he might have negotiated to have his band with a label support as Chris Daughtry’s, not necessarily with a certain name, something like David Cook and the Anthemic. In the last year I did’t hear too much of the name Anthemic used by the bandmates or DC. Then he might have been struggling with the music the wanted to come out, his soul goes more on Foo’s verge then, I don’t know, Rob Thomas to say for example. It’s not easy when your style was more of an alt rock to come with more pop, or pop rock and adjust everything from lyrics, to melody, to instrumentation, to the drum beat that makes lots of differences between pop beat, rock beat, punk one, guitar riffs… I think he wanted “what I want and what RCA requests” to be something in between. That what TLG is, a song in between. And it is known among his fans he is the king of person who doesn’t like to use words like baby, honey, “make love to you” a la Daughtry or “Find a nice girl, have some really good sex” a la Bruno Mars, so he might haven’t had an easy job of negotiating style, music, band situation, all the delays… Still bothers me what he said in that interview, something like whatever happens now with his career and music don’ t represent him as a person, maybe I didn’t understand well.
    As for performances, he really needs someone to give him some good advices, still don’t like his daily, fair lady, manager. Some of his problems I think are that many things go through his heart more then judged from a business angle.

  • tierbee

    Still bother me what he said in that interview, something like whatever happens now with his career and music don’ t represent him as a person, maybe I didn’t understand well.

    I don’t know him so I can’t speak for him :) but I thought he meant that he is who he is as a person and his music career does not define that person. I think he pours himself into his music, and I think we’ll see that on the record. But I think he also is very sure of who he is, and he is still trying to fit it all together with what fame he has, the record label stuff, and the obligations that go with that. I could be totally ass-talking here but I never read it as him distancing himself from his music or saying in any way that he’d half-ass his music career. I don’t even know if that made any sense, but I didn’t take what he said as negative at all.

  • http://emuisemo.pbworks.com eilonwy

    Still bother me what he said in that interview, something like whatever happens now with his career and music don’ t represent him as a person, maybe I didn’t understand well.

    Y’know, I heard that interview answer simply as saying that no matter how the album sells, he’s still himself. It’s the sensible and grounded thing to say, especially if he has even the slightest idea of fan concern over whether he’ll be as big a success as he “should” be.

    It’s also a mantra of the competitive speech world — which Cook was a rather decently successful part of in high school — that you can’t control your judges or your competition, only yourself. That is, your identity is not your trophy count but your ability to learn and stretch and think strategically. There are a couple hundred thousand of us who’ve been muttering this at the cusp of every major project since our mid-teens, so I’m not surprised to hear him come out with a version of it at this juncture.

  • Mel1

    I thought Adam did well on his performance, but I admit I have heard him sing that song better. I wasn’t blown away by his vocals.

    Well, the music critics and idol writers gave him outstanding reviews. If you’re comparing what you’ve heard in person to what you heard on TV, then, yes, his TV appearance doesn’t sound as good as live. You just can’t appreciate his tone and power on TV.

  • karenc

    ITA – I am chuckling because some of us had the same discussion about Adam’s performance on IDOL when he sang his “Aftermath” charity single. I really do think the sound is off for guest performers. I think the AI sound engineers must have the mix set up for the AI band and they don’t want to touch the controls to accommodate the guest performers. I thought Adam did well on his performance, but I admit I have heard him sing that song better. I wasn’t blown away by his vocals. Many of his fans felt he did good, but it wasn’t up to his usual high standard.

    Interesting, I thought the same thing about Adam and I think you might be right about the sound mix for guest performers. It would explain why there’s a difference from when they were on the show. Also, a lot of the guest performers that weren’t from Idol weren’t playing live.

    It might also be that we’re comparing a performance of one song on TV to what we’ve seen in concert, which would have a different sound and energy.

    Mel1:

    If you’re comparing what you’ve heard in person to what you heard on TV, then, yes, his TV appearance doesn’t sound as good as live. You just can’t appreciate his tone and power on TV

    This is true also, and would go for any singer.

  • fadetowhite

    And did I mention I want the album like yesterday?

    Oh yeah – me too.

    AI performances are side acts and I’ve never been enamoured with the single choices.

    But I love everything else I’ve heard: songs and live performances.

    I’m just being a moaning minnie – and proving my ‘realism’ credentials :lol

    Suenigma – thanks for that snippet about the in ears: explains a bit.

  • fadetowhite

    I guess I’m a little puzzled as to why some fans’ impression of Cook’s Idol performances is being used as an explanation for why TLG isn’t gaining radio play more quickly.

    It’s not – it’s a separate line of discussion.

    I don’t know why TLG hasn’t been picked up by the radio more: it’s not that strong, but it isn’t that bad either…

    It’s a bit of a mystery really.

    But I’d agree that if it doesn’t gain traction soon, it’s best to move on elsewhere.

  • fadetowhite

    Incipit – I agree with everything you said about the way Ai styled the performance of DYFAM, cutting out the best parts of the performance and leaving the band and Cook without the bits where the cover flies…

    I also thought his voice was very slightly off (fan wanking and expectations absolutely, but still my perception) but Suenigma’s in ears comment kind of explains that one too.

    So, yes, absolutely – this is all about my expectations and my perceptions. I’m commenting on an internet blog: what the hell else would it be, but people exchanging opinions and reactions? :lol

    I just haven’t enjoyed the recent AI performances, whilst I’m certainly onboard with recognising that the show’s own technical issues might have a lot to do with that.

  • springboard

    I don’t know why TLG hasn’t been picked up by the radio more: it’s not that strong, but it isn’t that bad either

    But I think that’s it, he is not established enough to get away with an OK song, he needed a good one, with a definite hook.

    I haven’t been impressed by his A&R team decisions during the first era, and this continues the trend.

  • oceana

    I liked DC’s performance of TLG on R&K better. It seemed like he slowed the song down on AI. The Idol sound mix may be wrong, and I also think maybe he tries too hard on the show. He tries to be more growly and it comes across as flat.

    David has a beautiful voice and I wish he wouldn’t sing so low, as if that’s the way to be a rocker.

    I think they should give the video a chance with TLG and then put out a stronger single. I also can’t wait for the cd.

  • tierbee

    David has a beautiful voice and I wish he wouldn’t sing so low, as if that’s the way to be a rocker.

    Heh, and I love his lower register and in the last era wished he’d sing more there instead of always higher in the register. Maybe I should stop wishing, I seem to be a fandom oddball ;) !!

  • springboard

    David has a beautiful voice and I wish he wouldn’t sing so low, as if that’s the way to be a rocker.

    I feel the same, although I like his lower register. It is overdoing the growl in an unnatural way that is the problem, imo.

  • Chicagolaw

    Radio is never going to play a song because somebody “killed it” on AI, or any other show. I don’t think anyone is blaming the slow charting of TLG on David’s TV performances. I was just making a simple statement that, imo, he isn’t as dynamic a performer lately as I have seen him be in the past. And I miss that. I also have never been crazy about his lower register—which is probably why I am not a huge fan of his Axium days, and why I am not a huge fan of DYFAM.

  • fadetowhite

    Funny, because I love Axium – but did think the growl in DYFAM was overdone. I think it was very much an AI/boot song/Simon Fuller production and din’t have much room for manouvere.

    But I do quite like the recorded version and thought it was great at the CFH. On Idol, it sounded to me as though he started off in too low a register and it was uncomfortable and then the song got cut off, because it had a particular job to do at that point and that wasn’t necessarily to showcase DC and the band..

    Hey ho!

  • Eyeswideshut2

    i have to say, Cook’s performance of TLG on Ellen was completely different than the AI version to me. It was a lot more regretful, for one. And the sound mix was a lot better.

    As to the acoustic shows – I have to disagree that they are lowkey in any shape or form. One of the things that struck me is how he’s completely reinvented the feel of the ‘old’ songs. To me his latest performance are imbued with such a deep sense of passion and yearning. And of course, since I’m a fan of angsty Dave, me likee :-)