Lee DeWyze on the Nigel Lythgoe Twitter War: It’s Clear To Me Shots Were Taken

The Lee DeWyze vs Nigel Lythgoe twitter war seemed to finally simmer down this afternoon.  But let’s hope things don’t heat up again now that Lee has offered a more detailed explanation of what went down on his end of the disagreement to The Hollywood Reporter in an exclusive interview:

THR: Beyond the question of you performing was the issue of handing a trophy to season 10 winner Scotty McCreery. Nigel Lythgoe tweeted just after 1:00 a.m the night of the finale, “I was so upset Lee DeWyze wouldn’t present the winners trophy to Scotty. Especially as he’d been on the show this Season. I guess he was shy.” Did you take that as a jab?

DeWyze: The viewers and the people who vote on American Idol, I don’t think they’re stupid. When someone says something like that, you can make of it what you will. But if he or anyone thinks that I’m a shy person, just sit with me for a minute and talk to me, you’ll find out very quickly that I’m not. Why he said that, I can’t speak for him. He’s the big shot but it came down to simple facts for me: I was not asked to perform on the show, which was something I was hoping to be a part of since it was such a big part of my life, and a last-second scramble — whether it was a week, a minute or a month — seemed inappropriate and kind of ridiculous. I thought, rather than getting up there and being in Scotty’s limelight while he’s going through the biggest change in his life, I would much rather be a viewer. So yes, when Nigel tapped me on the shoulder and asked to “borrow” me, I said no, and next thing I know, he’s talking about it publicly. I don’t know what point he’s trying to make, but it’s really not a big deal to me anymore. I’m over it.

THR: Although it continued earlier today when Nigel tweeted that the trophy hand-off had been discussed for a week …

DeWyze: I think that once they realized that people were talking about the fact that I wasn’t performing, I was asked if I wanted to partake in some trophy situation. I didn’t know the details of it, but I know I didn’t need a consolation. I didn’t want them to throw me a bone because I didn’t perform, but besides that, in my mind, there was no reason for a past contestant to be onstage as the new Idol is crowned. It’s not the passing of the torch. I just didn’t feel it was appropriate … Also, that’s never been done before. When past winners have won, there aren’t other winners on stage. And I wanted it to be Scotty’s thing. I didn’t want to be, “Hey, here I am, look,” and find some poor excuse to get some TV time. It was made clear that it was something I wouldn’t be doing.

So, it sounds like to me, that Idol may have contacted Lee’s people to see if he’d be willing to present the trophy. The answer sent back was “no.” But then Nigel persisted in the minutes leading up to the winner’s announcement at the finale, asking Lee personally if he would do it, and the answer was still NO. Nigel got pissed and tweeted the passive-aggressive tweet heard round the Idol blog-o-sphere.

Lee also had this to say about Nigel, “I’m not mad at Nigel either, but since he took it publicly, I wasn’t just going to lay down… I can’t get inside his brain or make him think one way or another about me, but at the end of the day, it’s clear to me that shots were taken.” and on his feelings now about Nigel, “I can’t say there’s anything that’s made me want to go have a drink with the guy. But who knows? Maybe I’ll run into him sometime and it will be a handshake and a hello. But I’m over it. It’s not a big deal to me.”

  • McCreerian

    I’m glad he’s handling it well. Pretty interesting stuff.

  • hoodathunk

    One thing’s for sure, Lee could not have bought this kind of publicity. It’s almost like a blessing in disguise.

  • Ladydove2

    Nigel be man enough to admit that you made a big mistake not to include Lee in the AI finale.

    Lee continues to be respectful and gracious in his interview, something that Nigel has to learn. Well done Lee! So very proud of you.

  • Niall

    It’s only a blessing in disguise if it turns his career around. I just checked iTunes and it would appear being kicked around by Nigel hasn’t sparked a buying frenzy protest. Other than drawing attention to his failure, this dust up doesn’t hurt him but it doesn’t help either. The focus in the end is still on Nigel not really wanting AI associated with Lee. It’s a nasty business, as Lee has learned.

  • weareallinnocent

    Geez. Does Nigel really think anyone sees this as anything other than a manipulative stunt to turn the tide against Lee instead of against AI for snubbing Lee? Nigel, get creative. I know you’re better than this at “the game.” #slipping #notwinning

  • oza902

    I’m thinking Lee might have been a little passive aggressive as well (not that I blame him). I wonder if he refused to do the KIIS private Idol viewing because of the junk going on between him and Nigel. Maybe he wasn’t in the mood to “give” anything back to AI that night.

    I do hope the twitter crap ends.. tweeting doesn’t solve anything. I think it just makes matters worse. Especially when family and friends get it on it. I would be mortified if my BFF’s were sending angry tweets to my boss or to someone of potential influence in my career.

    I agree with many of the posters regarding this topic. Lee and Nigel need to shut their pie holes already. :) It’s starting to get awkward and the empathy train is starting to derail on my end.

  • plays strings

    One thing’s for sure, Lee could not have bought this kind of publicity. It’s almost like a blessing in disguise.

    It is a blessing and it’s not disguised. Lee may not be buying the pub but he’s taking advantage of what Nigel does best… stirring up the fan base.

  • soverymel

    I have no doubt that Lee is right and Nigel was just throwing him a bone to shut up the critics slamming him about Lee not performing. But it also sounds like Lee deliberately misled people with his tweet that really seemed to indicate that Nigel first floated the idea at the finale show itself. If just by omission. While he was again vague about it with the Hollywood Reporter, it does sound like he was asked days before the show and he said no.

    IMO there’s spinning going on on both sides and while Lee comes off looking better than Nigel, that’s not all that hard and I don’t think he comes out unscathed.

    LOL the Hollywood Reporter is turning into quite the Idol muckraker though.

  • Grammie Kari

    Sounds like Lee wants to drop the issue, so let it be. Nigel can be such a jerk.

  • shuey

    you want the truth? Lee DeWyze? get your old job back! wright tunes & sell em! his only shot at making money! sad i know :P truth hurts . plz people get real!

  • fuzzywuzzy

    There’s spin going on from both sides here. Lee’s initial tweet in response to Nigel made it seem like the request to present the trophy was spur of the moment and now it’s pretty clear that it wasn’t, that he admitted that he was asked in advance. Nigel was misleading by implying that Lee had been asked a week before the finale, agreed, then bailed at the last minute. What we don’t know is if Lee did agree to the initial request, then changed his mind at the moment when he was needed. I think that Lee was asked a week before, declined, and Nigel thought that he could push Lee up there despite that. It could have gone the other way too, but I doubt it. I just hope that this issue dies now.

    ETA:

    and a last-second scramble — whether it was a week, a minute or a month — seemed inappropriate and kind of ridiculous.

    Sorry Lee, but being asked a week or a month ahead does NOT qualify as a “last-second scramble”.

  • spanishfan

    I think that Lee has shot himself in the foot. TPTB don´t need him. He needs them more. What is going to change? Lee is and still remains the least successful winner of all 10 seasons.

  • aprilfoolish

    I think Lee really expected to sing at finale like everyone else thought he would. Just imagine, waiting for that invitation, then finally asking outright, and they (cough, ahem, ‘eyeshift’) say, “uh, sorry man, no spot for you”! I imagine there was some private wall kicking, but then he moves on, and says, well, I’ll go and watch. His brothers angry tweets were followed fairly quickly by apologies, and angry ones deleted. Probably cause big bro told him he was ok. Fans and family react defensively when they see someone they care about treated unjustly. I think Idol should have told him far in advance, like at his results show performance, that he wouldn’t be back. Instead they left him sitting by the phone.

  • Kirsten

    I have no doubt that Lee is right and Nigel was just throwing him a bone to shut up the critics slamming him about Lee not performing. But it also sounds like Lee deliberately misled people with his tweet that really seemed to indicate that Nigel first floated the idea at the finale show itself. If just by omission. While he was again vague about it with the Hollywood Reporter, it does sound like he was asked days before the show and he said no

    I found it was interesting that he wouldn’t give a straight answer to a straight question. He straight up tweeted that he was asked minutes before the presentation as if it was a big deal. When asked if he was asked a week in advance, he tried brushing it off as if how much earlier he was asked didn’t matter.

    Prior to the twitter war, people were asking why they show couldn’t have Ryan go to him in the audience or have him on stage to present keys or something to acknowledge him in some way. But they did offer him something, and they were rebuffed.

    I didn’t know the details of it, but I know I didn’t need a consolation. I didn’t want them to throw me a bone because I didn’t perform,

    Sums it up right there. He didn’t know what they wanted and he said no because what he wanted to do is perform. Sounds like anything but a performance slot would have been seen as a consolation prize and he did not want that. The fact that he didn’t know the details seems like he rejected it out of hand.

    AI gave him a performance slot to push his single on the show earlier in the season. They offered to make him a part of the finale and he declined.

  • kvwicks13

    Shirley Halperin did the interview so its not like he went to someone off the streets. Here’s the entire interview…..Mj hope its okay to post this. I think it shows more where Lee was coming from.

    http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/idol-worship/lee-dewyze-nigel-lythgoe-trophy-192846?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+thr%2Fmusic+%28The+Hollywood+Reporter+-+Music%29&utm_content=Twitter

  • HR

    So Lee did allow a lie to be spread by the media and to his fans. He was asked to present the trophy a week in advance and turned it to down because it wasn’t a performance slot then he sat in the audience with a sour expression.

    Right now I’m not impressed with how either of them have conducted themselves but Lee was less them truthful in this whole affair. After defending him over the national anthem at the Bears game and over being preempted for his first Idol performance I’m not inclined to defend him any further.

  • Nina1

    The full article is more illuminating. It is clear Lee’s feelings were hurt. Can’t blame him; he certainly could and should have performed. Lee, next year make other plans.

  • Listening

    I like Lee’s response he took to a reporter and got it all out and hit the key points.
    1) He gives the full story of how everything went down.
    2) Points out he’s aware Nigel was taking shots at him drawing attention to Nigel’s actual charter.
    3) States his continued appreciation of American Idol.
    4) Basically says Nigel is dirt off his shoulder and he’s done w/ it.

  • poster

    Lee is a class act. Simple as that. He entered a contest and won. People can say mean things about him and disparaging things about his career, or use him as a scapegoat for things that went bad, or hold a grudge against him because their favorite person didn’t win, but at the end of the day, he’s just a good person. None of that changed him, he’s still a good person and a class act.

  • Listening

    I hope w/ this whole fiasco Nigel realizes he didn’t handle the Lee dewyze situation well.

    1) If your not gonna let him perform on stage which coulda been accomplished very easily for goodness sake don’t give vague threats to his fans when they voice their disappointment anger. This occurred when he retweeted the tweet that said something along the lines that Lee’s fans didn’t understand that insulting Nigel was only hurting Lee. A person in power just shouldn’t say stuff like that. I found that kind of ominous and then later he takes a jab at Lee on twitter saying unconvincing how upset he is Lee didn’t present a trophy and calling him shy. You know coming across like aww poor baby.

    Someone needs to have a chat w/ Nigel about his diarrhea of the mouth it’s like whatever pops into his head he spouts off. Twitter is a public forum it goes off all over the net calling viewers morons for questioning you and taking jabs at former American Idol winners doesn’t fly.

    When he started getting tweets about conspiracies and manipulations he should have never started in on the name calling that simply escalated the situation and made him look worse. He should have either ignored them b/c acknowledgement gave some validation or if he felt compelled to respond to them simply state they’re untrue. And if he responded to name calling w/ name calling is that the adult response, most of the people blasting him on twitter where probably kids don’t engage them just don’t engage anyone regardless of age. He should of stepped away from reading his twitter and if he thought he might miss something pertinent have someone else scan it.
    Finally don’t take shots at former Idols that’s even worse than the first mistake you’re demeaning your own organization for one and two they still have their fans who could still be viewers or raise a serious stink about whatever you did.

    But it doesn’t seem like Nigel has changed his ways so unless someone sits down and explains hey this isn’t going to accomplish anything good he’s gonna persist. I imagine everyone is too afraid to say anything thinking they’ll lose their job. It’s just gonna get worse and worse.

  • aprilfoolish

    Lee was responding to Nigel’s tweet (the one where N is ‘so sad’ that Lee didn’t do trophy thing and he was shy). The other offer, was probably made in the same moment they told him that he wasn’t performing, and I doubt Nigel was there that time. I doubt Lee was there, and it was probably their peeps/his peeps. Maybe the offer was made a week prior, but the process took awhile to finally filter down to Lee cause I got the impression he thought he was playing right up to a day or so before. I still think he was responding to the actual offer made to him personally by Nigel that did take place at end of show. That’s why tweeting is easy to be misunderstood. Interview seemed clearer as to how Lee felt. I hope this ends it.

  • jpfan

    This is the first thing that Lee has ever done that has gotten my interest. Props to him for standing up to Nigel. He’s obviously going to be dropped by 19 so at least he’s leaving with his head up.

  • Lexus

    Lee may not have been the most outstanding AI winner, however, he’s always was and has remained a classy guy.

    I believe Lee’s response 100%. I respect him for taking the high road and not feeding into Nigel’s tantrums. There’s no doubt Nigel knows it was wrong to not acknowledge Lee whatsoever and he’s simply trying to cover is butt and make himself look like the good guy at Lee’s expense. Lee’s having none of it! Hee Hee.

    Others would have jumped at the opportunity for some TV time at that pivitol moment. Glad Lee did the right thing!

  • poster

    But it doesn’t seem like Nigel has changed his ways so unless someone sits down and explains hey this isn’t going to accomplish anything good he’s gonna persist. I imagine everyone is too afraid to say anything thinking they’ll lose their job. It’s just gonna get worse and worse.

    Who’s going to sit and talk to him..the executive producer? He is the producer. Ken? No, he’s not smart enough.

    Nigel thinks he’s been so successful this season that he is top dog right now, and it doesn’t matter if he pisses off fans of a past Idol. But I’m reserving judgement on just how “successful” this season has been. I for one thought I’ll give it one more try, and yes, I enjoyed Steven Tyler but beyond that, it wasn’t the same Idol. I’ve watched for 10 seasons (with a couple exceptions) and I like seeing the contestants, their backgrounds, how they take the judges criticism, how they grow (or don’t) each week with their style and singing, risks they take, etc. Then by finale time, it’s great to see how they deal with all the newfound fame and excitement of what’s to come. I don’t feel we got any of that this season. Instead, I know a LOT about Steven Tyler and JLo and what their new projects are. I know about Jimmy Iodine. I saw some really overproduced productions with flaming pianos, lighted staircases, wind machines, etc., but I hardly got to hear the contestants’ singing voices due to the overproduction. The finale was full of top-notch performers (some performing provocative, lewd songs not appropriate for family viewing), some has-beens who were surprisingly good, and oh yeah, the winner was crowned. The contestants seemed like a distant afterthought.

    It’s not what I have come to know and love about Idol, and I’m definitely not watching next season. Kind of excited to check out the other options (The Voice, AGT, etc.), to see if I would like them.

  • leome

    Well, what I take from this is that Lee’s “one minute before” tweet was totally misleading and it makes him lose some of the “rightness” in this situation, imo.
    It doesn’t make Nigel tweets understandble, I think Nigel really shouldn’t have started this twitter thing and he played low, but Lee wasn’t very honest on twitter to begin with.
    I can understand him saying No, if he didn’t want to do it, that’s alright. But asking a week before and asking a minute before is not the same.
    It shows they wanted Lee at the finale, even if not performing, they wanted to aknowledge him and that’s different than ignoring him completely, like it’s been made out to be.

    Anyway, I hope this is the end of it all, it’s not even popcorn worthy anymore.

  • Trina

    I hear people saying, “David cook’s performed this many times.” It’s like they think it’s still some kind of competition for me

    What on earth does this have to do with Lee? I assume fans are bringing this up? David got one spot during the season to sing a single just like Lee did, and Top 2 night he sang the boot song. Its not like they gave him a performance spot during the actual finale taking time away from Lee.

    Lee, next year make other plans.

    After this mess I’ll be shocked if he’s even given finale tickets for next year, if Nigel still holds any kind of power.

  • http://myspace.com/girlgeek mj

    Here’s the entire interview…..Mj hope its okay to post this. I think it shows more where Lee was coming from.

    Check the article again. I always link back to the original interview. And people coming into this thread are clicking on the link.

  • dusty

    Nigel is overlooking the biggest asset AI has-its previous winners.

    I think each finale should feature a song/medley that showcases each of the previous winners. They did this in the season 6 finale, when Kelly/Ruben/Carrie/Taylor sang a Beatles medley. Fantasia was in the Color Purple on Broadway and so was not there.

    Nigel! You already know the date for next year’s finale. Book the previous 10 winners, now. That includes Lee. You spend 4 months getting fans to fall in love with the winner. Use that! The former winners are of more interest than many of the guest acts that are featured on the finale. And make it a good medley–more than just one or two lines each.

    This year you cut down on the schtick but still had two segments of current contestants doing schtick. Yes, it was amusing, but either or both of those segments could have been ditched to make room for Lee to sing in the finale.

    Taylor got to sing in the S6 finale and Simon (and you?) really abhorred Taylor. He wasn’t introduced …he just starting singing when the show returned from a commercial break, but at least he got to sing. This helped make up a smidgen for Simon telling a contestant to put their gum on a picture of Taylor’s face in the audition rounds.

    Treat the fans of the show like you care. We are the ones the advertisers are paying for. And we want to see the former winners, the ones we rooted for in previous seasons.

    And while you are at it, why in the world haven’t you had a one or two hour special featuring the top 2 from each of the seasons? You know it would draw huge numbers. You have the usual fans of Kelly and Carrie, add in the Clay and Ruben fans, the Taylor fans, the Adam fans, the Kris fans and the Cook fans and you have to have a highly rated show! Do it in January to whet the appetite of the AI audience for season 11…when it is cold, dark, and snowy outside so we’re going to be couch potatoes anyway.

    You have more competition than ever now. Use your assets!

  • Kirsten

    This year you cut down on the schtick but still had two segments of current contestants doing schtick. Yes, it was amusing, but either or both of those segments could have been ditched to make room for Lee to sing in the finale.

    I loved both schticks! I really think that finale should celebrate the season (some of those kids don’t even get to go on tour). Cutting time from the current season’s Idols is the worst idea, IMO. I liked that they got lots of focus this year.

    Taylor got to sing in the S6 finale and Simon (and you?) really abhorred Taylor. He wasn’t introduced …he just starting singing when the show returned from a commercial break, but at least he got to sing.

    Okay. This tale is getting old. Taylor actually got to sing twice on the S6 finale. While it was true that he did not get introduced by Ryan when he sang his new single, Kelly Clarkson did introduce him when he came in on the Beatle’s medley. It was, by Idol standards, a full song.

    And while you are at it, why in the world haven’t you had a one or two hour special featuring the top 2 from each of the seasons? You know it would draw huge numbers.

    I remember them doing that once in the earlier seasons. Season 3? I think it was only an hour. Maybe there was a Christmas special.

  • TwigLA

    So from Shirley’s interview it sounds like the production team was somehow in contact with Lee’s management prior to the Finale (unclear on when) and said something like, ‘no, we can’t have Lee performing but how about we have him award the winner’s trophy?’. This coming after they got internet flack over Lee not performing.

    They said ‘no thanks’ and then Nigel decided to put Lee on the spot minutes before the winner was announced. He again said ‘no’ and Nigel spins it that Lee is being difficult and disrespectful to Scotty.

    This is the same Nigel who has no compunction in calling the audience and fans of the show (his bread and butter) morons.

    Something not addressed and I’m curious about is what happened to Lee performing at the KISS viewing party?

  • Kirsten

    This is the same Nigel who has no compunction in calling the audience and fans of the show (his bread and butter) morons

    He’s been calling us that for years. He’s an a$$, but he puts on a good show.

    He used to do a weekly radio interview results day morning and he would chortle over his latest manipulations and drop vague hints about the results to come that night. We would listen and rage about him on the internet. You know what you are getting with Nigel.

    I remember when Cowell engineered Nigel’s ouster from Idol. A lot of people were happy, but they soon wanted him back. Ken is an idiot (and he calls us names too, but with not a single iota of charm).

  • dusty

    I loved both schticks! I really think that finale should celebrate the season (some of those kids don’t even get to go on tour). Cutting time from the current season’s Idols is the worst idea, IMO. I liked that they got lots of focus this year.

    Good point, is there something else you would have cut to make room for Lee to sing?

    Looking at the end of the show, we got a long close of watching Scotty overcome with emotion (because Ryan brought the show in on time). There was a bit of time there. Mark and JLo’s number seemed quite long. The Beyonce medley seemed quite long. There was a way to schnitzel a bit from several sections.

    Okay. This tale is getting old. Taylor actually got to sing twice on the S6 finale. While it was true that he did not get introduced by Ryan when he sang his new single, Kelly Clarkson did introduce him when he came in on the Beatle’s medley. It was, by Idol standards, a full song.

    If you read my whole reply, I mentioned right off the bat that Taylor sang in the medley. The point I was making was that even though the show was unhappy with Taylor winning, they still let him sing, even with the way they did it. Lee isn’t the first winner they have disrespected, but not having him sing was a big misstep imo.

    I remember them doing that once in the earlier seasons. Season 3? I think it was only an hour. Maybe there was a Christmas special.

    I’ve watched AI since season 1 and do not recall their ever having a special. Are there any parts of it on you tube? Do you or anyone else remember anything that was sung on it? Thanks. In any event, it’s been far too long for them to not do something like that.

  • Barbiedoll

    Okay. This tale is getting old. Taylor actually got to sing twice on the S6 finale. While it was true that he did not get introduced by Ryan when he sang his new single, Kelly Clarkson did introduce him when he came in on the Beatle’s medley. It was, by Idol standards, a full song.

    I remember that finale. I remember Clive Davis speaking at the show and totallly dissed Taylor and Katherine McPhee. That was so uncalled for.

  • Trina

    I absolutely LOVED the ‘schtick’ this year. Those two skits I thought were two of the highlights of the finale. I guess it helps that I loved this season and the contestants and as Kirsten said the finale should be about the current contestants. I wouldn’t want to see every single winner trotted out every year on the finale. I doubt all of them would want to either. My one huge gripe with this finale was Beyonce getting two performances. One, ok fine. But two was really unnecessary.

  • Kirsten

    Good point, is there something else you would have cut to make room for Lee to sing?

    It was a pretty tight show. Are you seriously going to cut Bono or Gaga or Beyonce? Those are huge draws (and Beyonce’s number was probably pay back for her singing with the girls which is big and deserves to be rewarded).

    I guess they could have cut the TLC number. There is some great nostalgia there and it was our only Rap representation (with Lil’ Wayne). I bet Nigel is a fan. Mark’s number wasn’t needed, but then it was kind of fun and buzzworthy (and Fuller probably wanted to push the new show he’s doing with Mark and JLo).

    I bet that Taio Cruz even got bumped. That was total a finale number that they shoved into performance night (I’m sure I heard it was going to be in the finale and it was SO out of place on performance night and threw off the entire flow of the program).

    Looking at the end of the show, we got a long close of watching Scotty overcome with emotion (because Ryan brought the show in on time).

    That’s what the climax of the entire season. I can’t agree with cutting time out for the current winner to give time to the previous winner. I honestly think the extended shot was because it was good TV. It was probably meant to end 30 or so seconds earlier, but they just kept playing the music because Scotty fell collapsed in emotion on the floor (that’s good TV. Only Ken would be stupid enough to cut away from that) and then he started catching confetti on his tongue. They finally faded to black when he just started doing the usual hugging of people.

    The Beyonce medley seemed quite long.

    It was long because they were featuring all of the girls. Some years, they’ve just had all the Idols sing in a chorus for a little bit and then bring on the star to sing for 3 minutes with the Idols singing back-up. I LOVE it when they feature the current Idols with little mini-solos.

    The point I was making was that even though the show was unhappy with Taylor winning, they still let him sing, even with the way they did it.

    Yep. They didn’t like Taylor. But they don’t want to forget S5.

  • Kirsten

    I’ve watched AI since season 1 and do not recall their ever having a special. Are there any parts of it on you tube? Do you or anyone else remember anything that was sung on it?

    Here is the closing medley of that Christmas Special:
    Medley

    Here are Kelly and Fantasia throwing down (I don’t think it’s from the same special – anyway, it’s good):
    Jesus, Oh What a Wonderful Child

    They probably should do some sort of Idol special sometime shortly before the finale just to keep the fans happier. There are 10 seasons of Idols and that is way too much to cram in to the finale.

  • Montavilla

    What to have cut is a good question. I wouldn’t want to cut any of the numbers with the current Idols. As it was, we didn’t get a Scotty/Lauren duet, which is a break with tradition, right?

    So, we have to keep Scotty/Tim McGraw and Lauren/Carrie. Likewise Haley/Tony Bennett, Jacob/Kirk Franklin/Gladys Knight, James/Judas Priest and Casey/Jack Black.

    The boys got a medley with Tom Jones and the girls got a Beyoncé medley plus sang back-up for TLC. Maybe we could have lost the TLC number?

    The Spiderman thing was the most incongruous part of the show, but it did provide spectacle. And, since going Broadway is a now a major option for Idols, maybe it’s not that irrelevant.

    I don’t like, on principle, showcasing the judges, but as performances, I really loved both the Marc Anthony and Steven Tyler songs. Seeing a really good Latin performance might help pave the way for an eventual Latin winner and I’m all for that.

    Which leaves Beyoncé’s second song and Lady Gaga’s song. They were both good, but both artists had been featured within the last three weeks and it felt old to have them back again. So, I would say cut either one of those.

    Or, even better, reduce the three Judge segments to one and lose the “loser’s” montage. That might free up 90 seconds or so.

  • Sassycatz

    I remember them doing that once in the earlier seasons. Season 3? I think it was only an hour. Maybe there was a Christmas special.

    Wow, I didn’t remember that at all. But, then again, I wasn’t as avid an Idol watcher in those days.

    Putting on a special with winners of Idol would be such a great idea and I’m sure many, if not all of them, would be happy to participate. Way more likely to get their cooperation than the idea they had of airing an all star idol competition between them. Whoever thought the Idols would agree to THAT must have had their head in some dark, warm place.

    Furthermore, I think they’d get a pretty good sized audience for it.

    As for the Lee situation, this is what I don’t get…. Who manages Lee? Isn’t it 19? Doesn’t 19 still produce Idol? Now, I understand that one division is 19M and the other is 19E, or something like that. But, still, how can people in 19 management not know, until the last week, that an artist they manage is not going to be asked to perform on a show that 19 entertainment produces? Do they not talk to each other at all?!

  • steph6449

    Eesh. This keeps getting uglier. If I’m reading this right, it was known for a while that Lee was not being asked to perform but sometime a week or even longer ago, he was asked to appear in some capacity. And then asked again during the show.

    I don’t see how the first request would have had anything to do with Lee’s fans all in uproar over his not performing, as Lee only tweeted that a couple of days ago. Maybe Nigel asking again during the show had something to do with trying once more as Lee’s fans wanted to see him.

    I don’t really see why Lee said no except his feelings were hurt over not being asked to perform. To me, it’s a business thing, he should have said yes, to support the show and for his fans even if it wasn’t the appearance opportunity of his dreams.

    And I don’t get why he was telling people on twitter it was a last-minute invite, and playing victim, when apparently that is not the full truth. I really have to side with Nigel more on this one. Lee is probably a nice enough guy in general, but in this case he seems to be letting his emotions get the better of him. Maybe it’s not just this one situation that is behind the questionable decision-making/tweeting, could be a bunch of other things accumulating in his state of mind after his less-than-spectacular album launch.

    That said, I don’t think Nigel should have been tweeting their dirty laundry either, though I can imagine it ticked him off seeing Lee tweeting about “not being asked” to perform, when evidently Lee had been asked to appear and not accepted the invite.

  • http://www.comcast.net KAT80

    If you type in “American Idol Christmas Special” on YouTube, it will bring up the videos from the 2003 and 2004 Xmas specials. Here is a video from the special that included the American Idol Juniors. The two girls that look alike are the Taylor sisters that are on “The Voice” now. The tall girl is Lucy Hale who has been the most successful of the group in acting, not singing. She is in the new show “Pretty Little Liars.” http://youtu.be/4IBn6Phcg2o

    As far as Lee’s situation, I really feel bad for him, especially since he is really struggling to maintain a musical career that seems like it never got off the ground, IMO. Unfortunately, Nigel has nothing to lose in this verbal argument and it appears that he feels no need to support Lee’s career as an AI spokesperson, which is really a negative for Lee since AI is what propelled his career and created his current fan base. I think Lee realizes that continuing this verbal war does nothing for his career and that even though Nigel is one of TPTB on AI, Lee benefits from his connection to AI. Hopefully, he will be able to move forward and create music that will get radio play because if he doesn’t get radio play, he will not grow his fan base to be a successful artist. I am not a fan of Lee’s music, but hopefully his current fans will stick with him and help support his musical career. I wish him luck.

  • Duke

    Aaaaaaaaaand this will be the last time we will hear from Lee. lol

  • GwendolynD

    Welp. Hope this is done. The two of them came out of this looking exactly like what they are – classy vs. somethin’ on the bottom of my shoe.

  • karenc

    The thing is, that someone like Gaga and Beyonce gets on every other show. IMO the finale should be more about the contestants. Sometimes having the group song or duets with the contestants was a good idea, and I think that as guest stars, they should have former idol contestants also, even during the season.

    I’m glad for this article about Lee, he didn’t do anything wrong. The classless part was for Nigel Lythgoe to bring this to the public.

    And I’ve often thought they should even do a summer reunion series with not only winners, but ex contestants. Have the top 10-12 sing either their original songs or covers like they did on the show, kind of like the idol tour but with their original songs.

  • TylerWV

    Cutting time from the current season’s Idols is the worst idea, IMO. I liked that they got lots of focus this year.

    I didnt feel the winners got much focus in the finale but I did like that all 13 got some solo time. I like the idea of honoring past winners with a medley. It makes sense to me from a business point of view also. Show the public, etc., our past winners, its more validation for the show being more then just a reality show. I enjoyed most of the acts on the finale, but there were too many scheduled. Just like the season where the focus was more on the mentors and acts that showed up to just perform, I felt the finale’s focus was the same. This whole season they lost sight of what we tune in for, the idols and their performances. If I want to see a video I can check it out on my pc. On Idol, I want current and past idols to perform. With all the new music out from past idol contestants, why not showcase them and push their music? That would certainly boost their sales and again Idols cred goes up. I understand the new record company isnt interested in promoting sony, etc., thus we got few past idols performing on the show this year. We got Adam, no Kris. That sucked imo. Kris, like Lee and Taylor and others, deserve to be spotlighted out of respect to the voting audience if nothing else.
    To me, it was a diss to Kris to put on his runnerup instead. Im so glad Idol has some competition now. Maybe they will clean up their act.

  • cokezero

    Lol, so where are all the Lee fans who were insisting that evil, manipulative Nigel must have made up the “one week” thing? Yea.

    His actions are definitely not helping the whole “imminent drop from label” situation. Yea it’s publicity, but he’s pissing off the wrong people.

  • Montavilla

    Just in case anyone’s interested, I saw a link to the awarding of the first seven trophies at the American Idol Experience opening.

    Here it is: First Seven Idols Get Trophied

  • artemis

    Chris Wrate,Lee’s guitar playing tweeted quite recently while Lee was in Asia that he had performances with Lee coming up, and people assumed he meant the Finale and KIIS party.I don’t know how close the connection is between Nigel and Lee’s management at 19, but it seems somebody thought Lee would be performing at the Finale.
    As for 19 dropping him-they are managing his tour this summer.Some of the venues are already sold out. After that, who knows? If they dropped him, maybe Simon would grab him to stick it to Nigel.
    Lee’s management let Nigel know he wasn’t interested in horning in on Scotty’s moment.
    He tried to manuever Lee into going up there anyway at the last minute because of all the flak he was getting about leaving Lee out of the Finale.
    Didn’t work. Nigel could have let the issue die, but he chose to try to make Lee look bad instead.
    Lee is a really nice guy, but that doesn’t mean he’ll let himself be bullied.
    Jambajim tweeted this morning:

    @LeeDeWyze You are a class act. End of story.

  • cokezero

    Lee may not have been the most outstanding AI winner, however, he’s always was and has remained a classy guy.

    The classy type that, at the very least, misleads his Twitter followers then continues to lie to the media for days until he realizes he’s into far?

  • TwigLA

    Kirsten says:
    05/28/2011 at 10:23 am

    This is the same Nigel who has no compunction in calling the audience and fans of the show (his bread and butter) morons

    He’s been calling us that for years. He’s an a$$, but he puts on a good show.

    He used to do a weekly radio interview results day morning and he would chortle over his latest manipulations and drop vague hints about the results to come that night. We would listen and rage about him on the internet. You know what you are getting with Nigel.

    I remember when Cowell engineered Nigel’s ouster from Idol. A lot of people were happy, but they soon wanted him back. Ken is an idiot (and he calls us names too, but with not a single iota of charm).

    I used to listen to the weekly online talk show with Nigel (some marketing site, I think) and it was always fun and exasperating. He’d throw red herrings a lot.

    I forget what he said the week Daughtry was ousted, but I was sure Katherine was going home after listening to him. This despite the fact I already knew it was Daughtry. (close friend did his goodbye package and let it slip)

  • Truthiness

    This has been as interesting as Lee has been, ever. So there’s that.

    But other than adding to my Nigel hate, eh. Not seeing the point. I feel badly for Lee, but yeah, it’s time to drop it.

    Still though again, the most excitement Lee has been able to generate.

  • Montavilla

    I understand the new record company isnt interested in promoting sony, etc., thus we got few past idols performing on the show this year. We got Adam, no Kris. That sucked imo. Kris, like Lee and Taylor and others, deserve to be spotlighted out of respect to the voting audience if nothing else.
    To me, it was a diss to Kris to put on his runnerup instead. Im so glad Idol has some competition now. Maybe they will clean up their act.

    It did suck that there was no Kris this year, but Adam had his “Aftermath” charity release to promote and Kris didn’t have anything particular. If Kris had had something, then I would be upset about him not getting a results show slot.

    What upsets me about Lee not being on the finale is that it broke a tradition of honoring the past winner. That’s sort of pageanty, but I feel like any insult to an Idol winner — whether or not I voted for him/her — is an insult to the Idol fans.

    And maybe this is all bringing to head a vague feeling of being dissed this year. What with Nigel calling fans “morons” and the show (judges, contestants, producers) acting like viewers are too stupid to remember what happens from week to week. Like we wouldn’t notice that they played Haley Pinãta game two weeks in a row. Or contestants talking about judge critiques they never actually received.

    But I don’t want to forget, either, all the good things that happened. On the whole, that was a great finale show. I loved that they went from one cheesy group number on results shows to duets and trios. So much better!

    I liked that we did get to see a lot of past Idols (including Constantine, who was back for the first time), and that we got to see them talk for a few seconds with the new kids. They could go further in that direction and maybe include a video segment where the kids and the past idol have a real conversation.

    But now I’m getting so off-topic. My point was that dissing Lee on the finale is part of a pattern which started back in the fall when Ken dissed all the WGWGs. We, the fans, are allowed to make fun of Lee. We’re allowed to say that Season 9 was the worst of all time. The producers aren’t.

  • jpfan

    Kind of cool to see Lee stand up for himself. He appears to be the anti Idol winner for real.

  • Tess

    I, for one, don’t really give a hoot if any former idols are invited back to the show unless they are there for a specific reason that is as much about their current “careers” as opposed to just being eye candy for a few hard core fans.

    And I really despise the group sings that are forced on idol alumni that have proven themselves somewhat relevant in the real world. And for idols who aren’t holding up their end of the bargain and making a living out of singing post idol…I could really, really care less about ever seeing them again.

  • dusty

    It did suck that there was no Kris this year, but Adam had his “Aftermath” charity release to promote and Kris didn’t have anything particular. If Kris had had something, then I would be upset about him not getting a results show slot.

    Last year Kris sang before the Finale–they had him sing Let It Be or something like that, not something that was on his album. He did not get to do his huge hit single LLWD. It bothered me as a Kris fan that he did not get to promote that single, while Adam came on that same year and got to support his new single, consistent with the majority of support going to Adam after S8, like the majority of support went to Chris D after S5.

    On the S9 finale Kris did get to sing his second single, the Truth; at least he got that. So AI has its manipulations, but not having the previous winner sing something is a new low for AI, even though Lee had already sung his single on S10. I remember Carrie sang with the top 12 one year in the finale…they could have done something like that for Lee.

    What upsets me about Lee not being on the finale is that it broke a tradition of honoring the past winner. That’s sort of pageanty, but I feel like any insult to an Idol winner — whether or not I voted for him/her — is an insult to the Idol fans.

    I like your point about pageantry. And the insult part–it’s a lack of respect for the winner. I was a Crystal fan, did not like that Simon had Lee all picked out last year, but since Lee is the winner of S9 he should get what comes with that.

    IIRC, the show has never again achieved the ratings it did back in season 5. AI turned off a lot of Taylor fans with its treatment of him post season 5. And each time they disrespect the winners through actions like this year’s not having Lee on the finale just chips away at the fan base of the show they are supposed to want to protect.

  • AIaddict

    It’s not what I have come to know and love about Idol, and I’m definitely not watching next season. Kind of excited to check out the other options (The Voice, AGT, etc.), to see if I would like them.

    ITA and will be looking forward to watching X Factor with Simon and crazy Paula after this season of AI.

    I am and always will be a Lee fan. He is a sweet, classy guy that did not deserve to be dragged thru the mud by Nigel at all. Nigel should have just never started this twitter war with Lee. However, I do agree that Lee should have said he was asked to hand over the trophy before that night even though his tweet was true about Nigel asking him again right before Scotty was announced the winner. I almost wish Lee had not done this interview as he already had gotten the last word in on twitter but I don’t know that I would not have done the same thing. It’s hard to know exactly how any of us would react until we are faced with a similar situation. Hopefully this is the end of it for real and Lee can move on to better more productive things.

  • Incipit

    What with Nigel calling fans “morons” and the show (judges, contestants, producers) acting like viewers are too stupid to remember what happens from week to week. Like we wouldn’t notice that they played Haley Pinãta game two weeks in a row. Or contestants talking about judge critiques they never actually received.

    Montavilla, that last is really the most annoying considering we already know Nigel is an @sshat, but considering how much people were asking for real critiques – for contestants and/or judges to pretend they actually happened, or happened in reverse of the facts was beyond weird.

    What is the supremo annoyance here (to stay on topic) is the expectation that this Finale thing is one more Lame-o question that the LEMs (Lazy Entertainment Media) will be asking at every.single.idol related interview, instead of, you know, asking about their music or something relevant – to see if they have a subject stupid enough to give them a controversial or self- damaging sound bite.

    I guess that’s pre-emptive exasperation, but it marches with the LEM’s track record, IMO. Of Course.

    Also. The Law of Unintended Consequences. That too.

  • dusty

    I, for one, don’t really give a hoot if any former idols are invited back to the show unless they are there for a specific reason that is as much about their current “careers” as opposed to just being eye candy for a few hard core fans.

    And I really despise the group sings that are forced on idol alumni that have proven themselves somewhat relevant in the real world. And for idols who aren’t holding up their end of the bargain and making a living out of singing post idol…I could really, really care less about ever seeing them again.

    When I watch this video from the S9 finale, where the former winners and contestants sing “Together We Are One”, I am struck by the cheers from the audience for each of the former winners as they come out to do their part. Kris’s was one of the loudest. There are many fans, not just hard core fans, that want to see the former winners:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uqi6HRav0-A&feature=related

  • Brook52

    Why watch American Idol- and then not care what happens to the winners?..Why produce American Idol and then treat the winners badly? Even from a marketing standpoint that is ruining your own product…Ok lets have a show about the best talent that we can find ….and then tell everyone that oops actually it was not the best talent that we could find…..If the management just supported all of the winners then it would be up to us fans to decide who we liked and didn’t like- any bashing of any Idol by the Idol team seems like an unintelligent decision- and that is putting it nicely. Why would someone try out for a show that treats its alumni so badly?

  • AIaddict

    Oh they could have easily made time for Lee to perform by cutting out Beyonce’s solo or leaving out Gaga (this is a family show for God’s sake) or cutting out the stupid clip of the contestants who did not make the cut and were upset. It would not have been that hard to find 3 minutes for Lee.

    It still ticks me off that Ryan stood right in front of him and did not acknowledge him. Ryan is the damn glue that is holding this show together right now, it surely isnt Randy. Ryan could have said screw tptb I am going to do the right thing and turned around to talk to Lee quickly. The man knows how to inprovise. so disappointed with Ryan.

  • CRB

    Lee should have performed at the finale, I suspect Nigel knows it.

  • chrislongisland

    I never liked Lee, until now. Nigel should not be slapping fans in the face, considering we’re the reason he has TWO jobs.

  • brewster

    Any former idol who does not generate buzz (especially one that fails to create revenue) is persona non grata. Why would AI want to spotlight their past failures. It’s show business.

  • songsungblue

    So I guess I’m the only one who finds Lee a tiny bit whiny here? ;) Yeah, I know this is going to be an unpopular view, but he keeps emphasizing that he wanted to perform – that he expected to perform – but he wasn’t asked. To me the problem lies with his expectation since [and mind you I can't stand the kid] Scotty is about to sell in his first week the sum total of the CDs that Lee has moved in a year. Sure, the former Idols get asked back typically. But being asked to perform anywhere is not an absolute. Nigel must feel on some level like he was asked to clean up the ‘messes’ of S9, and Lee is perhaps one of those messes in his eyes. So between the nasty fans on twitter and his own issues getting the finale together, he must have felt like ‘screw it.’ True it wasn’t the most politic decision, but I can’t really blame him. Lee is not a juggernaut in the Idol world. I don’t recall even ONE ex-Idol / current Idol twittering their support to Lee in this matter. Why would Ryan put his job on the line to turn around and point out Lee?

    The music business is cutthroat. Should they have been nicer? Yes. But that’s not how it works. I guarantee you that Scotty will make an appearance next year though. They are going to push this kid within an inch of his life so that this embarrassment doesn’t happen again. I would guess the same for Lauren.

    ETA: Well put! If you didn’t hit the ball out of the park, you shouldn’t expect the victory lap. Cold, but true.

  • webster

    I was hoping to be a part of since it was such a big part of my life, and a last-second scramble — whether it was a week, a minute or a month — seemed inappropriate and kind of ridiculous

    I get that Lee wanted to be a part of it in some way, probably hoped to sing, as past winners have done. And I get that he wasn’t interested in being there just to support the idol brand by presenting to the new winner. That’s his choice.

    But implying that the request was last minute, as if 2 minutes was the same as a week, sounds disingenuous. People were shocked at the rudeness of a last minute request when he said 2 minutes. If he didn’t actually intend that reaction, he should have pointed out the actual timeline when he saw his fans’ reaction.

    Although I don’t see a real need for the past winner to be there for the passing of the torch, I don’t agree that having them there at that moment takes away from the new winner. Done right, the past one would be deferential and graciously congratulating the new one, welcoming them to the club.

    That actually seems more about the new guy and less about the
    old guy than the old way: having the old guy sing. Again, I have no problem with Lee turning that down, but I don’t see a reason for the complaints on his behalf. Like the other pros on the show, he seems to have wanted to be a part of it if he could perform or be spotlighted a bit. He was not interested if he was just in a supporting role for the winner.

    Other than the selective memory tweeting, I don’t see good guys or bad guys in this plot, just businessmen.

  • Tera2

    He performed during the season already. And he was shown in the audience next to Ryan at the finale. He should have gone up to give Scotty the trophy even if he was told at last minute or a week before. It wouldn’t have stolen any moment from Scotty as he claims. It was a decent gesture by Nigel, but Lee turned it down stubbornly.

  • tigervixxxen

    Hopefully this is really the end of it all. I’m glad Lee said his piece and I admire him for doing so.

    Lee and his management were lead to believe he had a shot in performing, that’s what he said in the article. When he was in Asia, exactly a week before the finale he did a fan chat and was asked if he knew was he was performing for the finale. He said he didn’t know what he would be doing but was looking forward to seeing everyone again. If he knew then that he for sure was not performing he would have said so. He must have recieved word on Monday that performing was definitely off the table when the news broke that he wasn’t performing. I do not believe he knew a week prior that he was for certain not performing.

    If Nigel wanted to include Lee in a customary way but not devote time to a performance then why not have him hand out the Ford keys to Scotty and Lauren? Why not easily and harmlessly continue the tradition there and instead dream up this trophy presentation?

  • idolhound2011

    I didnt watch the finale but what I get, that must be the reason why Ryan standing in front of Lee, inoring him. How childish is that. Lets show Lee what happens when you say no. I dont care if they asked him a week before If he said no they should have respected that, to push it further was only to hurt Lee.Good for Lee, telling them to take a hike.

  • Ratna12

    I loved both schticks! I really think that finale should celebrate the season (some of those kids don’t even get to go on tour). Cutting time from the current season’s Idols is the worst idea, IMO. I liked that they got lots of focus this year.

    Good point, is there something else you would have cut to make room for Lee to sing?

    I don’t need to see Mark Anthony sing with his wife dancing.
    They can also cut the clip of the bad auditioners.

    I know that some people love to see Steven T singing, but I find it kind of weird that he sang, commercial break and immediately the result of the whole competition. There was no buildup such as a duet from top 2 before the result.

  • chili1000

    I have to side with Lee on this one. He should have been asked to perform, and being asked to present the trophy to the new winner IS a consolation prize. It does absolutely nothing for Lee but makes AI look OK by kind of acknowledging the past winner. It needs to be a win-win, otherwise there is no reason for Lee to do it. When Lee said “no” the first time that should have been the end of it. What was Nigel’s motive for asking him again just prior to announcing the winner? Trying to save face maybe, after everyone watching became aware that Lee was in the audience? Can’t blame Lee for saying “no” a second time. Again, there was nothing for him to gain by doing so.

  • tripp_ncwy

    Last year Kris sang before the Finale–they had him sing Let It Be or something like that, not something that was on his album.

    Kris chose to sing LIB as opposed to a cut from his album. That was his choice not AI as long as the song could get cleared. Kris stated that he did not feel a cut from his album fit with the reason he was coming back to perform.

    Lee’s tour runs through the end of July. The thing to watch is if there are additional dates added. Typically by this time tour schedules for the remainder of the year would have already been published. These things have to be planned well in advance.

  • CSFan

    So I guess I’m the only one who finds Lee a tiny bit whiny here?

    Nope, not just you. As soon as it came out that Lee had turned down appearing on stage a “week or a day or a month ago” (or whatever it was he said to THR), I realized he totally stretched the truth with his tweet about Nigel only approaching him with the idea AT the finale. He’s just as manipulative as Nigel in this situation, he just used nicer language.

    Nigel comes out of this looking like a jerk and Lee looks like a sad sack failure. Nobody won.

  • tripp_ncwy

    nvm

  • Tony

    Not a fan of Lee–AT ALL–but I’m on his side (even though I’ve only read the latter part of this whole twitter war story, lol).

  • kmd

    I am sure that Scotty will be at the finale next year as will Lauren. UMG will make sure that they are pushed. I hope that Lee can move on because Nigel and the AI show don’t care.

  • girlygirl

    If Scotty only sells 150-200K of his album Nigel will likely treat him just like he treated Lee. Bottom line — the better you sell, the better they treat you. It’s not fair, and IMO it makes Idol look petty. Because honestly, the ratings aren’t really any higher when someone like Carrie or Daughtry performs on AI than they are when like someone Kris or Lee performs.

  • TwigLA

    tripp_ncwy says:
    05/28/2011 at 3:15 pm
    Last year Kris sang before the Finale–they had him sing Let It Be or something like that, not something that was on his album.

    Kris chose to sing LIB as opposed to a cut from his album. That was his choice not AI as long as the song could get cleared. Kris stated that he did not feel a cut from his album fit with the reason he was coming back to perform.

    Lee’s tour runs through the end of July. The thing to watch is if there are additional dates added. Typically by this time tour schedules for the remainder of the year would have already been published. These things have to be planned well in advance.

    Just to clarify, Kris performed a benefit single for Haiti relief as a part of Idol Gives Back and it was following his mission to Haiti. No further mention was made of it (how much they raised) and he wasn’t a part of the bigger Idol Gives Back show.

    He performed his latest single on the Finale and also gave Lee & Crystal the keys to their Fords in a pre-taped segment.

  • tripp_ncwy

    He performed his latest single on the Finale and also gave Lee & Crystal the keys to their Fords in a pre-taped segment.

    Kris also participated in the Simon tribute with the other winners. Is there anything left out?

  • TwigLA

    Think we got it covered, Tripp.

    Bottom line, Lee got gyped.

  • tripp_ncwy

    TwigLA, it’s been stated they will only do IGB every other year so next year it should happen. There is hope he will be invited to that.

  • Inconnu

    Bottom line — the better you sell, the better they treat you. It’s not fair, and IMO it makes Idol look petty.

    I think what bothers me the most in all of this, is that this show has no problem hurting their own. I would have a much better appreciation of this show if they had the previous winner perform at every Finale, regarding of sales and popularity. I would like this show to honor their own, no matter what, and not base their selection in terms of profit. Three minutes, that’s all they had to give him at the Finale, like they did for everyone else (except for Fantasia- but that’s another story and was not based on $$$).

    I’ve been a long-time viewer of this show – not wanting it to go down, hoping that X-Factor wouldn’t work so they’d come on top – and now I couldn’t care less. I don’t want to support a show that can’t even embrace their own. And I’m not even a fan of Lee but I think it’s just disgusting the way they treated him.

    No matter how you want to spin this, the producers of this show appear like cold sharks.

    ETA: I agree too that it’s time to put this matter to rest and move on.

  • lucy95

    Please put this to bed – they are both wrong. If Lee wanted this to die out, he wouldn’t have gone to media. Don’t agree with Nigel, but Lee could have taken the high road and he didn’t. He just increased his up hill battle. Nigel was wrong, but imo Lee comes off as a jerk too.

  • Zastine4974

    I am sure that Scotty will be at the finale next year as will Lauren. UMG will make sure that they are pushed. I hope that Lee can move on because Nigel and the AI show don’t care.

    They may be pushed but if they don’t sell they won’t be back either.

    I honestly don’t think any of the Sony/RCA Idols will be back next year. AI looks like a vehicle to promote UMG artists and the judges (not necessarily AI artists) only.

  • Brook52

    I am also disappointed in Ryan. Imagine if American Idol actually helped those who had made them all that money by highlighting them all through the season. It would just spread the wealth around a bit more. I would love to see a show devoted to seeing the top 2 from every season- what a great show that could be every year.

  • tripp_ncwy

    I honestly don’t think any of the Sony/RCA Idols will be back next year. AI looks like a vehicle to promote UMG artists and the judges (not necessarily AI artists) only.

    You can’t take 19/Sony out of the equation. 19 is not going to abandon its artist just because UMG is in the picture. They are all about making money. If their artists have something to promote, 19 will get them on the show.

    Now if the sale of CKX goes through & Apollo Management enters the picture, it will probably be a whole new ballgame for everyone even the UMG artist.

  • AIaddict

    The very bottom line here is that NO means NO. It does not mean maybe or yes it means NO. Nigel, No means effing NO. Lee already said no so Nigel should not have pushed the matter any further after he got the first no.

    I still say Ryan could have acknowledged Lee. The show needs Ryan more than Ryan needs AI. The man has a thousand other jobs. Wasn’t there some kind of rumor about him going and producing his own talent show? Ryan chose to go along with Nigel’s wicked plan, imo.

  • kmd

    I do agree with everyone that Scotty and Lauren will be treated better next year depending on how much they sell. That is the way it works with AI.

  • songsungblue

    Not to beat this dead horse, but I don’t know that I agree that AI owes Lee or any of the winners. It’s Lee that owes AI. Regardless of how this year panned out for him, he’s still doing better than last year, right? Also:

    As you and a lot of people know, the past winners have come back and performed so I was looking forward to performing. It was definitely something me and my management team thought was a possibility. That being said, it came down to the wire and they never asked me to perform, so that was that.

    I don’t think they were led to believe that he’d perform. It’s not like they talked to him and then said, nope, we’d rather have Steve Tyler. He assumed he’d perform. That’s a little different. There’s something so clueless about Lee – I mean, it’s sweet too, I know why his fans feel so protective. But it would have been far better to tweet: “Not performing this year at the finale, but looking forward to cheering on Scotty and Lauren. It’s their night.” It’s like when you break up with someone and you just say, hey, it didn’t work out. It’s cool. The fact that he keeps saying, “I wasn’t asked,” strikes me as kind of sad. If your career is shaky enough to depend upon that Idol slot, well, that’s something to think about.

  • HR

    Nigel wasn’t propositioning Lee for sex. Offering someone a chance to change their mind with an appearance isn’t a criminal offense.

    The bottom line here is that Lee lied. He had no reason to lie and yet he did. People were upset on his behalf for not being given a performance slot in the finale. He could have traded on that outrage and kept the moral high ground. He could even have kept the same excuse for turning down the trophy presentation and it would have seemed reasonable. He lost the moral high ground when he presented the idea that the trophy presentation idea came to Nigel only during the course of the show. I have no reason to develop more respect for a person that does that.

    Nigel doesn’t escape unscathed because his words have been less then kind but of the two it seems he told the truth.

  • artemis

    Lee did not lie about anything.He or his management had made it clear beforehand to Nigel that he had no interest in a brief appearance at the moment the winner is announced.He tweeted in a positive way about AI and went to the show expecting to just sit in the audience.
    Right before the announcement, as Lee said, Nigel tried to get him to go onstage and he said no.We know this is true- people witnessed it.
    If Nigel had let the matter drop at that point, the story would have soon blown over.Nigel’s tweet about Lee’s refusal and calling him shy clearly referred to what happened Finale night and Lee’s tweet referred to that.
    When Nigel kept tweeting , Lee gave the interview telling the full story-it’s hard to explain a complicated situation in a tweet.
    Fortunately for Lee, most of the reaction to his interview seems to mirror Jambajim’s, that Lee is a class act.

  • cokezero

    Lee insinuated that he was only asked 2 minutes before, when the offer was actually made a week prior. How is that not a lie?

  • soverymel

    Lee insinuated that he was only asked 2 minutes before, when the offer was actually made a week prior. How is that not a lie?

    It’s more of a lie of omission rather than an outright lie. A shading of the situation in a way that is most sympathetic to him rather than laying out the facts. He was much classier about how he went about spinning things than Nigel was, but it doesn’t change it being spin.

  • tessa

    Bottom line is Idol/Nigel chose not to feature last year’s winner on the Finale, but has no acceptable explanation for it. Remember this? (@blkeener According to Nigel, Lee DeWyze is not performing bc there just isn’t time & that was last yr, this is this year. 25 May). Obviously, the majority of Idol fans disapprove! When Idol fandom reacted disapprovingly, Nigel tried to lay the blame on Lee saying he was offered to present the trophy but declined. Lee explained clearly why he didn’t want to do the trophy, and rightly so, (1) it was Scotty’s moment and (2) he didn’t need a consolation. Doesn’t matter when he knew about it (2 minutes before the results or a week before the show – his decision was the same). He was resigned to attending the Finale as a spectator. I think, as many do, that Lee made the correct judgment call there.

    Nigel appears oblivious to his misjudgment, and worse, was trying to pass on the blame to Lee. If he can’t admit he made the wrong call, the least he could have done was let it pass and not made that initial tweet (being upset with Lee) and the follow-up one (Lee being told 1 week before).

  • ross

    The music business is cutthroat. Should they have been nicer? Yes. But that’s not how it works.

    American Idol doesn’t present itself as a show about the “cutthroat music business.” It’s supposedly a warm, emotional show about making someone’s dream come true. Confetti flying, tears falling. They ask the audience to participate, and to fall in love with someone enough to go through all the watching, and the voting. All of America and much of the world gets caught up in it.

    I for one expect to see the show respect the person they put this crown on last season; follow tradition and do whatever they usually do to honor the person. The show itself is never about how many records you sell, it’s about the people and how we feel about them – the so called “Idol journey.”

    I don’t think they were led to believe that he’d perform. It’s not like they talked to him and then said, nope, we’d rather have Steve Tyler. He assumed he’d perform. That’s a little different. There’s something so clueless about Lee – I mean, it’s sweet too, I know why his fans feel so protective.

    The reigning Idol has performed on every finale – or so I understand – for around a decade. If I were the reigning Idol, I would be inclined to believe I would probably be performing.

    I don’t think there’s anything clueless about Lee. I’ve read a few of his interviews, and he seems anything but clueless. Seems like a smart guy with a lot of common sense.

    If I were he I’d have behaved exactly as he did. Or, I hope I would have. Album sales are not really as important as pride and self respect. The guy wanted to do what every Idol has done before him, and he didn’t want to be thrown a bone. So I think he let them know how he felt, and I have to applaud him for not kissing their ass.

  • AIaddict

    Nigel is not used to being told no. Just like some guys don’t take no for answer Nigel thought how in the world could Lee say no to him. Lee was asked TWICE the first time a week before then 2 minutes before the new winner was announced. I too am glad Lee did not just roll over. He may not ever be invited back onto the show along with the other past idols and maybe from now on that’s the best thing so he can distance himself from being Lee D the AI winner to being Lee D. the singer/songwriter/musician that he is. Lee will be fine whether or not he is dropped from his label too. There’s other idols who have been dropped or are on smaller labels or indie labels and are not superstars but they are are still making music for a living. That’s all Lee wants to do.

  • edisto

    If you read the interview Lee says something regarding it didnt matter whether the invite was a week, a minute or a month. Why dont yall pick one you seem to know so much. Yep, Cokezero, I am a Lee fan. And I can understand making an assumption based on past years of history,ie: the former years winner being asked to perform. The people at AI were in the wrong. The lesson we can all learn is to never assume anything as it makes an ass out of you and me. And how do you all know that Lee approached THR for the interview? Perhaps they approached him.

  • TwigLA

    It’s easy to see how Lee and his management (19 right?) thought it was a strong possibility that he’d be performing.

    In all the speculation by entertainment journalists leading up to the Finale about who might be performing, the one presumed given was that Lee would be as last year’s winner.

  • Hase

    And how do you all know that Lee approached THR for the interview? Perhaps they approached him.

    Lee was tracked down by THR.

    “THR’s Idol Worship tracked him down on Friday afternoon for an update on Trophy-gate.”

  • cokezero

    It doesn’t really matter who approached whom.

    The fact of the matter is, Lee wobbled and changed his story to make himself look better until he was called out and had to come clean.

    Nigel hasn’t tweeted anything categorically un-true.

    I know you like the dude, but straight story > wobbly and incomplete story every time as far as I’m concerned.

  • tripp_ncwy

    “THR’s Idol Worship tracked him down on Friday afternoon for an update on Trophy-gate.”

    Lee would not have given the interview on his own. It would have to be approved by his mgmt at 19. So, no matter who tracked down who it would have been run thru 19.

  • jennyl

    I love Lee and will always be his fan but I never expected him to be a saint. He is also not always clear in his answers so I am more incline to believe there is more to the story then this.

    As for Nigel = truth. I don’t know this guy personally. This guy is a businessman. So, I would be more incline to believe he says and speaks motive = profit/ personal benefit. He could have easily kept silent about this trophy thing but he chose to bring it out and take a pot shot at Lee.

    As for Lee, he has always said he just wants to make music. I doubt profit from this fiasco is his ultimate goal. He responded at a pot shot which I would have done the same if someone did that publicaly to me.

    And kudos Lee for saying no. Sometimes, self worth and dignity is more important then ass kissing.

  • karenc

    I think that even if Lee wasn’t completely telling the whole story at first, it was still Nigel Lythgoe that was wrong. This should not have been brought out to the public at all, and it was Nigel that did that. The only reason that he said anything at all probably was because fans were not happy that Lee wasn’t appearing at the finale.

    And as far as Lee is concerned, he has the right to not do something he doesn’t feel is right for him. It may even be his management that told him not to do it or spoke in his behalf, because Lee was touring, and even was in Asia last week or the week before.

    Whatever happened, I think it wasn’t anything that unusual, and it was Nigel that was wrong for tweeting the information the way he did. The only purpose was to say something negative about Lee, who didn’t deserve to be treated like that.

  • steph6449

    I think that even if Lee wasn’t completely telling the whole story at first, it was still Nigel Lythgoe that was wrong. This should not have been brought out to the public at all, and it was Nigel that did that. The only reason that he said anything at all probably was because fans were not happy that Lee wasn’t appearing at the finale.

    As far as I’ve read, it was Lee who first made any disputes public, by tweeting that he hadn’t been asked to perform on the finale. Which seems to be have been true as far as “performing” goes, but left out a key point that evidently he had been asked to “appear” but refused.

    The more I see on this, the less favorably impressed I am with Lee, both for the public statements he made, and declining to appear on the finale. Yeah, it wasn’t the appearance he wanted but I don’t see why he refused except that he was reacting emotionally. It makes him look a little petty and childish IMO, especially with the continued defensive and arguably deceitful statements later. And why alienate TPTB on the show by not accommodating a pretty simple request to appear.

    Seems odd to me that some PR type with 19 or his manager hasn’t got hold of Lee to put this to rest.

  • jennyl

    And why alienate TPTB on the show by not accommodating a pretty simple request to appear.

    I’m totally opposite on this. I feel it takes guts to stand on what you feel is right for you and not do it simply because others want you to do.

    And you are right, Lee is alienating TPTB especially with deceitful statements. Guy must be stupid. SMH

    Looks lilke TPTB just ate another contestant up for breakfast.

  • steph6449

    I feel it takes guts to stand on what you feel is right for you and not do it simply because others want you to do.

    I’d agree if it was a moral issue. But it was just an appearance on a national television show in front of millions of people, and on the show that first made Lee’s name known to people outside his hometown music scene.

    It may not have been the appearance he would have chosen for himself, but like any of the AI alums I imagine they get asked to do all sorts of things that might not be entirely in their comfort zone or what they would choose for themselves.

    In this case, it’s what the show asked him to do, and as the last winner, you can say (and I have said here too, lol) that the show should recognize the previous winner during the finale. Which it now comes to light, they were prepared to do by having Lee appear. But, I would also say as the previous winner, IMO he has an obligation on his side to support the show. And not agreeing (twice) to a pretty simple request to appear, is questionable for me. Especially as the reason seems to be he was miffed over the non-invite to perform, as much as any other reason. Until the finale, he had been treated pretty ok by the show, having been invited to do his single earlier in the year.

    If he had accepted the appearance invitation in the first place, and just told his fans that he was happy to be presenting at the finale and left it that, probably no one would have thought much about it. And the back and forth twitter mini-war would never have occurred.

    Of course, then we would have missed out on following the subsequent drama, which might have been a shame ;) So thanks Lee and Nigel :)

  • jennyl

    I’d agree if it was a moral issue. But it was just an appearance on a national television show in front of millions of people, and on the show that first made Lee’s name known to people outside his hometown music scene.

    By agreeing to do it means that Lee is saying he is all right with receiving a consolation apearance which as he has pointed out that he didn’t need it and didn’t want it. Why force himself to do it to please TPTB then and make them look good.

    If he had done it it still would not have taken away his fan’s anger about the performance. He might have looked better though and his fans may be less angry but he would still be called out for ass kissing. You can’t win either way. As a fan, I perfer he went down with pride and dignity. :)

  • artemis

    So Lee should have stepped on the stage for a few seconds,opening himself up to accusations of being so desperate for attention he would try to grab the winner’s spotlight, just to save Nigel’s ass from the flack he’d been getting. Alrighty then.
    Lee had just spent two weeks in Asia,praising Season 10 and the contestants in numerous interviews.I watched them and posted some of them here. He has been accused of being a “company man” this past year because he has been so PC in his statements.
    Nigel is the cause of this mess.If you want to side with him, fine.In spite of the disrespect,Lee issued a positive tweet about the Finale and attended it.Nigel is a bully and can’t stand being told no.He couldn’t leave well enough alone and tweeted to punish Lee further.He revealed some of the ugliness behind the scenes of this warm family show.

  • fuzzywuzzy

    The thing is, that someone like Gaga and Beyonce gets on every other show. IMO the finale should be more about the contestants. Sometimes having the group song or duets with the contestants was a good idea, and I think that as guest stars, they should have former idol contestants also, even during the season.

    In principle, I agree, but Idol is trying to rejuvenate itself and draw in younger viewers. By having huge, current stars performing on the show (with the contestants, in the case of Beyonce), Idol is trying to reshape the show’s image and hope to expand beyond it’s aging viewer demographic.

  • cokezero

    It was Lee who first made any disputes public, by tweeting that he hadn’t been asked to perform on the finale

    Exactly.

    This whole thing started because Lee and his people (fans, brother, girlfriend) started complaining about not performing on the finale.

    It was only AFTER that Nigel made that somewhat cheeky tweet about being disappointed Lee didn’t participate in the hand-off. It was clearly a “hey, don’t blame me, I wanted him to be a part of the show” response, not an attempt to start anything.

    Lee says that Nigel just randomly brought it up 2 minutes before, and (had that been true) very reasonably declined. Nigel goes “lol no, he was asked a week ago.” Lee admits “Ok, so maybe I wasn’t telling you the whole story…”

    If he had just said “I didn’t feel like accepting a consolation prize appearance because as last year’s winner I expected better treatment” – that would have been fine. It’s the whole issue of making it seem like TPTB completely forgot about him until 2 minutes before the announcement that’s not okay.

  • austen1813

    Artemis

    ITA.

  • swish5

    Artemis – ITA
    Lee gave short twitter responses to his fans…. He went to the finale – no performance and no announcement.

    Those of you that continue to “hate on Lee” Here’s MJ’s opinion “It’s important to note that Nigel was not executive producer of American Idol during Lee’s season. Maybe that’s why it’s been easy for Nigel to be so dismissive of the Season 9 winner. Nigel wants to pretend that Season 9 never happened. But it did, and as such, it should have been acknowledged last night, in some way, as the crown passed. And no, Nigel. some half-assed idea to drag poor Lee onstage at the last minute counts. I don’t blame Lee one bit for turning him down.”

  • songsungblue

    Man, it pains me how badly Lee’s people handled this one! So he waits and waits and no one says come sing on the finale? Dude, you book something else! Give away your finale tickets! Don’t sit there by the phone like a 50’s sorority girl waiting for the football captain. Then when they come and ask you at the last minute to give away car keys or a trophy or something, you can legitimately say that you can’t, you’re booked. You have your management give out a vanilla statement like – “sorry to miss it this year! maybe next year!” and you don’t look like…well, this. Because sitting in the audience and looking pissy is not my idea of a great choice. JMHO and all.

    What comes out of this is that Lee expected to be asked to perform, and he was disappointed and hurt when he wasn’t, so he turned down AI’s offer of NOT performing, possibly less than diplomatically. Okay, that’s his choice, but personally I would not be burning bridges with someone as powerful as Nigel. I think that’s why there was not one ex or current contestant telling the press that AI was wrong and Lee should have performed.

    But you know, whatever. I’m sure that AI and Lee will both weather this tiny little storm. Hopefully Lee will come back with a better, stronger album, and make a case for his position in AI history.

  • swish5

    songsungblue
    I understand your point of view on Lee’s situation
    But what’s you take on Nigel – especially the “I’m so upset…. he’s just shy?

  • ross

    The more I see on this, the less favorably impressed I am with Lee, both for the public statements he made, and declining to appear on the finale. Yeah, it wasn’t the appearance he wanted but I don’t see why he refused except that he was reacting emotionally.

    You have to draw the line somewhere. He didn’t have to accept being thrown a bone. Should he just say yes to whatever they ask him to do?

    He had already formally refused the request to present that trophy, in lieu of performing. (And I think his reasons seem perfectly valid.) I’m sure he thought that was the end of it. He attended the show as a spectator – not as an employee.

    He did all the media stuff the day before, as a lot of the others did, so it’s not like he was separating himself from anything to do with the show.

    At the last minute – not even prior to the broadcast – but a couple of minutes before the presentation, Nigel asked if he could “borrow” him, to do something he had already declined to do.

    Nigel probably figured he’d ask at the last minute and not give him time to think. No doubt figured most people will cave under pressure. Which is insulting but seems typical of Nigel’s manipulative and egotistical nature.

    And Lee didn’t go along with it, so I think that’s awesome. YMMV.

  • karenc

    Nigel is the cause of this mess.If you want to side with him, fine.In spite of the disrespect,Lee issued a positive tweet about the Finale and attended it.Nigel is a bully and can’t stand being told no.He couldn’t leave well enough alone and tweeted to punish Lee further.He revealed some of the ugliness behind the scenes of this warm family show.

    I agree with you. And there was nothing malicious in Lee’s original tweet about not performing on the show. He was simply providing information that he wouldn’t be performing but would be attending the show.

    The real fuel to all this came from Nigels tweet. It wouldn’t have been a problem if Nigel hadn’t have said what he said to begin with. Lee has the right to not do something he feels comfortable with.

  • Barbiedoll

    I’m on Lee’s side only because It was obvious they told Ryan to stand in front of Lee, but not acknowledge him. It was an obvious slap in the face. It was like “fine, don’t be part of the finale, but we’ll put the camera on you anyway and you will be ignored.” I don’t blame Ryan cause he’s just a puppet. This was all Nigel’s doing.

  • steph6449

    Pretty clearly, Lee has his feelings hurt over not being asked to perform, and it is motivating some of his actions and comments, which might have better been kept to himself.

    As far as I understand the chronology
    – Lee was hoping / expecting to be invited to perform
    – Lee instead, got an invite well in advance of the finale date to appear on the finale to make a presentation to the winner
    – Lee or his reps did not accept
    – a couple of days before the finale, after all that, Lee responded to fans wondering about the Finale plans. And he went out of his way, whether deliberately or out of emotion, to make it known he hadn’t been asked to perform. Which was an unnecessary statement IMO.
    – Nigel didn’t say anything in response to that, despite being pretty severely attacked by Lee’s brother and others.
    – During the actual finale, Nigel apparently gave Lee a second chance to appear. And Lee again said no, while also sitting in the audience with what viewers are describing as a pissed-off looking attitude most of the night (didn’t see this myself, just going on reports).
    – Only after the finale had aired, did Nigel say anything, with a snarky tweet about Lee not accepting an invite to appear.
    – Lee then commented at length, making it appear he was only asked at the last minute, and offering all sorts of IMO self-justifying reasons to say no to this supposedly back-handed spur of the moment offer.
    – Nigel responded this, saying that Lee had in fact been asked a week before.
    – In interviews, Lee is admitting that in fact he had been asked quite some time before the finale, and neither the invite or refusal had been strictly last-minute as he had represented them.

    I don’t see how Lee comes out looking good in any of that. He seems to feel entitled, to be misstating if not actually lying about some of the facts, trying to get sympathy, and failing to cooperate with a show that gave him name recognition and a chance to put out a major label album and tour nationally.

    Whether he wanted a “better” appearance or felt entitled to sing, there was nothing humiliating in being asked to present something to the new winner. If he had done it, it would have been a nice little feel-good moment, and who knows, maybe he could have had a chance to plug his tour in the process. Saying no was his option, but it’s a little churlish for me. And the aftermath with the aggrieved tweets based on selective facts isn’t too attractive.

  • tripp_ncwy

    The real fuel to all this came from Nigels tweet. It wouldn’t have been a problem if Nigel hadn’t have said what he said to begin with. Lee has the right to not do something he feels comfortable with.

    The fuel came from Lee’s fans & brother sending out those nasty tweets to Nigel & American Idol. I am not defending Nigel because he could have let it pass. Lee could have done as others have when their fans a in an uproar. A follow-up tweet to his fans not to spam Nigel & AI with the hate tweets would have gone a long way.

  • swish5

    Lee told his fans he would be at the finale. Ryan and Nigel had to exploit it. It was obvious they told Ryan to stand in front of Lee, but not acknowledge him and then Nigel’s tweet “I’m so upset….he’s just shy”.

  • http://myspace.com/girlgeek mj

    Lee could have done as others have when their fans a in an uproar. A follow-up tweet to his fans not to spam Nigel & AI with the hate tweets would have gone a long way.

    I have to agree with this, especially as a blogger who has been in Nigel’s shoes. Fans do more harm than good for their favorite when they display nasty behavior on the net, and the Idols who step in to calm their fans understand this.

    There are Idols I won’t even cover any more due to the behavior of their fans.

  • swish5

    so it’s the fans fault….not Nigel & Co. ????

    “It’s important to note that Nigel was not executive producer of American Idol during Lee’s season. Maybe that’s why it’s been easy for Nigel to be so dismissive of the Season 9 winner. Nigel wants to pretend that Season 9 never happened. But it did, and as such, it should have been acknowledged last night, in some way, as the crown passed. And no, Nigel. some half-assed idea to drag poor Lee onstage at the last minute counts. I don’t blame Lee one bit for turning him down.”

  • heat914

    I am so happy to be posting after MJ’s post (or at least near it if someone replies faster)… I’m a Lee fan but not a fan of all the negativity that comes from the blog world. All of the non-Lee fans can just insert your favorite into what I’m about to say. Lee fans had no reason to believe he wouldn’t perform on the finale…why should they? It’s been the “tradition” for the last nine seasons.

    I don’t know all the “players” like Nigel and Ken and I’m quite a novice at “all things Idol” (most of MJ’s posters should go on Idol Jeopardy :) but I believe this Idol blogger world is such a microcosm of what the typical American Idol viewer gets from the show.

    True story: I work in a hospital and American Idol is rarely discussed. I heard 2 comments the entire season from the same lady who is about 50 years old. Her first comment was that she was sad to see James Durbin not win…her second comment was why didn’t Lee perform on the finale and give out the car keys. She said she saw him by Ryan and wondered why Ryan didn’t say anything to him. THIS is what the average viewer saw…I doubt they know anything about what really went down.

    I think Twitter didn’t do anything to help Lee or Nigel and I wished it hadn’t gotten so out of hand…we will probably never know the entire truth. I honestly don’t care what happened…I only care that I feel Lee..his fanbase…and Season 9 were shunned and I have no warm fuzzy feeling for American Idol.

  • karenc

    tripp_ncwy says:
    05/29/2011 at 12:58 pm
    The fuel came from Lee’s fans & brother sending out those nasty tweets to Nigel & American Idol. I am not defending Nigel because he could have let it pass. Lee could have done as others have when their fans a in an uproar. A follow-up tweet to his fans not to spam Nigel & AI with the hate tweets would have gone a long way.

    His brother removed his tweet and apologise and said that he knew the show had done a lot for his brother. This was the day before the finale aired. If that were the problem, that was the best way to handle it, because if Lee had tweeted something, it might have created more of an uproar. Because all Lee tweeted is he wasn’t asked to perform on the show. If he was asked to do something else and didn’t want to it was his choice, and not the place of the producer to bring this up the way he did.

    I’m sure there have been other idols that have been asked to do things for Idol and either didn’t want to do it or have prior commitments so they couldn’t do something. A producer of a tv show should not do what Nigel did.

  • tessa

    I totally agree with artemis.

    When I look at this drama in its entirety, all I can conclude is that Lee’s a smart cool dude and Nigel&Idol messed up and are stubbornly denying to see their misjudgment.

  • webster

    What this mostly shows me is that PR via Twitter is a bad idea. And, poor Lee, it’s not the first time he’s been bitten by it.

    I have no problem with Lee’s decision to not appear when he was offered a presentation spot instead of a performance spot. I’m guessing that most of the pros who appeared would have made the same decision. But, since fans are notorious about reading between the lines, I think he is the one one started this PR trainwreck:

    When asked about singing on the finale (or however the question was put to him), he should have given a more complete answer: I’m not appearing on the finale. I would have liked to have performed, but was not asked to. I was asked to present the winner’s trophy, but decided I would prefer to just watch the finale instead.

    That sort of answer would not have satisfied all the people who really wanted him to perform. But it would have done two things: it would have satisfied the people who first reacted by saying that they should at least have him on stage and acknowledge him as winner, or thought he should have been introduced from the audience. And, it might very well have kept Nigel from tweeting about the last minute request, at least not in the way he did. My guess is that part of his motiviation in tweeting it was to let people know that Lee was asked to participate, since Lee’s fans were acting as if he had not, and Lee himself caused that misunderstanding but was not correcting it.

    I don’t care much if Nigel is a PR fool on twitter, because he’s established and can deal with it. But it’s a real shame that Lee is shooting himself in the foot that way. It’s a new enough medium that maybe even PR people don’t know how to best use it, but he and his team could use some improvement in that area, IMO.

  • Tera2

    I understand the new record company isnt interested in promoting sony, etc., thus we got few past idols performing on the show this year. We got Adam, no Kris. That sucked imo. Kris, like Lee and Taylor and others, deserve to be spotlighted out of respect to the voting audience if nothing else.
    To me, it was a diss to Kris to put on his runnerup instead. Im so glad Idol has some competition now. Maybe they will clean up their act.

    They should be spotlighted if they have something to promote. Adam was there cause he had his concert DVD coming out few days later. I like seeing Kris too but he didnt have anything to promote, but they still showed him in the audience and Ryan said show him some love. David Cook has his CD coming out and he performed his single once, and then the finale elimination song. Jordin and Jennifer Hudson had CD coming out and they performed once. Lee’s CD came out like 7 months ago and he already performed once – they dont need to give him a second one. Lee looked petty by refusing to give the winner trophy, while sitting in the audience bitter. He should have done what he was asked regardless of when he knew. He tried to spin it that it was last minute, but he was asked a week before.

  • http://emuisemo.pbworks.com eilonwy

    What this mostly shows me is that PR via Twitter is a bad idea.

    Yes. There is a reason that the history of Western prose emphasizes works longer than 140 characters and that the Japanese do not use haiku for corporate announcements.

    That said, DeWyze had the handicap that Lythgoe typically has far fewer brakes on his rhetoric than most people. It’s difficult to craft the perfect tactful response when the other party is rather less restrained by conventional good manners and mundane standards of truthfulness.

    DeWyze performing:
    Tradition excites no angst.
    “Screw that,” cries Lythgoe.

  • swish5

    “I like seeing Kris too but he didnt have anything to promote, but they still showed him in the audience and Ryan said show him some love.”

    I missed this – Ryan said “show (Kris) some love”….
    if that’s correct – and he said nothing for Lee?

    The golden microphone (trophy) was a ploy Lee did not fall for. (Wasn’t the microphone awkward for Scott at that time so he asked James to hold it for him?)

  • ross

    Lee looked petty by refusing to give the winner trophy, while sitting in the audience bitter. He should have done what he was asked regardless of when he knew.

    He proved he’s nobody’s fool; I have to respect him for that.

    Additionally, I believe it would have looked foolish, had he appeared to hand over that trophy to the new winner. He’s right, it’s never been done before, and I guarantee the media and the boards would have had a field day with the “consolation prize” comments and jokes. As he said, he had no desire to be thrown a bone. Had he agreed to it, he would have looked like a sap. He’s not a sap, though. So, good for him.

    This was a broadcast of a huge TV show called American Idol, and this guy was, at that point, still the reigning American Idol. Of all the people there, he was the only one who was that. Until the new one was crowned, he was it.

    I’m very surprised people don’t see the irony, here. They’re there to crown an Idol winner – with all the hoopla and celebration – and at the same time, they’re disprespecting the reigning Idol winner. Doesn’t that essentially nullify whatever they’re doing, and make them look ludicrous? What is the point of all of it, if a year later you intend to all but ignore the guy you made a huge deal about a year ago? It must be me.

  • artemis

    I don’t care when Lee’s album came out, he deserved the respect every past Idol winner got. In Asia, he was asked about his part in the finale and he said he would be there, but didn’t know what he’d be doing. His Asian Tour was clearly timed so that he would be back in the US in time to rehearse for the finale. His guitar player Chris Wrate tweeted May 16 about gigs coming up with Lee and said Chris going to Singapore with Charice in June-the only end of May performances Lee would have had in the US would have been the finale and KIIS party. If Nigel had long planned to exclude him, I’m sure his management would have found him something else to do that night to save face for everybody.
    I think Lee got bumped quite recently to make room for more celebrities. Nigel has been flying by the seat of his pants this year, changing things from week to week. Lee arrived back in the US May 19. Word leaked out May 23 from the dress rehearsal, via BL Keener, that Lee would not be performing. Lee tweeted later in the day to let his fans know that he wouldn’t be performing. Mike DeWyze posted his angry tweets a little while later; he soon deleted them, apologizing and saying it was “heat of the moment” which sure sounds like Mike found out that day.(Mike spent the next three days tweeting apologies, including one to Nigel).
    We don’t know why Lee was removed from the KIIS party, but it could have been punishment for refusing to go along with Nigel’s trophy ploy.
    Those of you who find Lee’s behavior “petty” or “whiny,” substitute the name of an Idol winner that you do like and see if you feel the same.
    I doubt Lee will ever perform on the Idol stage again, but that was probably the case even if he’d done what Nigel asked. I’m really glad his management allowed him to give an interview to The Hollywood Reporter.

  • Montavilla

    It’s not just you, Ross. I was upset when Lee won, because I thought (and still think) that Crystal is a better, more exciting artist.

    But he was still the American Idol.

    And I get impatient when people keep score about how terribly their favorite is treated by the label, management, etc. For example, if AI wants to put Carrie Underwood on the show every year, but only puts Ruben on every few years, oh well. Carrie’s a bigger draw.

    But the Finale is different and how the Idol does outside of the show is irrelevant. It’s a two-hour event that builds up to the announcement of the new winner. It’s stupid to ignore the current winner when doing that. Lee is now the only American Idol not asked to perform on the last day of his reign.

    TPTB made a mistake, pure and simple, in not asking Lee to perform. Nigel compounded that mistake by suggesting that Lee take part in something that would only take away from the effect of the big announcement. Lee’s instincts were right in turning him down.

    Maybe it was mostly Lee’s fans who were upset before the show aired (and thus prompted Nigel to try and get Lee on that stage for a few seconds). But the upset is no longer limited to them.

    American Idol is unique because it’s decided strictly by voters. Americans take voting very seriously. When the American Idol is disrespected by the show, it’s a slap in the face for the viewers. We put him/her on the pedestal. Nigel is not allowed to pull him/her down.

  • steph6449

    substitute the name of an Idol winner that you do like and see if you feel the same.

    I can’t think of any other winners who have behaved in a similar manner.

    When I understood the facts to be that Lee wasn’t being included in the show at all, I did think that was unfair to the traditions of the show and its audience, and to Lee. But the facts appear to be pretty much otherwise from what has since come out.

    He evidently was invited to play a role, but decided it wasn’t good enough for the performance slot he believed himself entitled to. Maybe that is true to the theme of AI10 though, in the year of self-esteem Idol judging :?

  • heat914

    I’m totally with you Ross disrespect is the word that totally sums up this entire fiasco…plain and simple…it was wrong no matter how anyone wants to spin it

  • tigervixxxen

    The thing is Lee had his fans calmed down on Tuesday. He tweeted that night that he would be at the finale with his girlfriend and then on Weds on the way to the finale he tweeted again that he was on his way and looking forward to it. There was absolutely nothing he said that riled people up, it was people getting upset that Seacreast stood in front of him.

    I keep going back to if Nigel was so set on including Lee but not devoting time to a performance slot then why not the Ford keys? It would have been tradition as David and Kris did it and it would not have taken up one second of extra time. Could it be becuase when Nigel had already decided to exclude him and already filmed the keys when he dreamt up this trophy thing? Wouldnt it have been more damaging for Nigel to declare that Lee wouldnt do the keys becuase even David and Kris had done it? It is clear that Nigel never wanted Lee to do the keys. Also as Artemis said the upset began on Monday, not the week before when he was in Asia. This is why I have a hard time believing the Nigel side of the events. The logic and timing does not match up for me.

    We can go round and round this, I know not everyone is going to arrive at the same perspective. I’m much more interested in the music and looking forward to Lee’s tour. It’s too bad all this hoopla happened but adversity is nothing new and just reinforces why I’m a fan of the artist and the man.

  • mozart4898

    There was absolutely nothing he said that riled people up, it was people getting upset that Seacreast stood in front of him.

    Absolutely zero sarcasm involved here, but I watched the entire finale and I actually didn’t even notice Lee in the picture during the segment where they gave away the cars. Not at all. And I know I was paying attention to that part because I found it weird at first they were giving the cars to the teachers and that Lauren and Scotty weren’t getting them – then they announced they got their choice…and I of course started thinking of what I’d pick if I were in that spot, lol.

  • AIaddict

    Until the finale, he had been treated pretty ok by the show, having been invited to do his single earlier in the year.

    LOL! seriously? pretty ok? I can’t stand for the way the show treated Lee or even the new idols this season for that matter. With all celebrity guest performers and judges self promotion the idols are an after thought not just at the finale but the whole season.

    What idols past or present have been asked about this situation? Even if they have been asked, especially the new ones, more than likely they are afraid to go against tptb. I will stand by Lee for having the guts, self respect and character to take on the machine.

  • http://myspace.com/girlgeek mj

    Swish5: You keep quotings. my words–written before we knew that Lee HAD actually been asked a week or so ahead of time.

    I would say, at this point, there’s plenty of blame to go around.

  • Montavilla

    I keep going back to if Nigel was so set on including Lee but not devoting time to a performance slot then why not the Ford keys? It would have been tradition as David and Kris did it and it would not have taken up one second of extra time. Could it be becuase when Nigel had already decided to exclude him and already filmed the keys when he dreamt up this trophy thing?

    The car bit would have filmed between Friday and Tuesday (since they didn’t know the Top 2 until Thursday night). I guess it depends on when it happened and if Lee was back from Asia. Somehow, even if he was disappointed at not performing, I don’t see Lee refusing to do the keys, since that doesn’t take anything away from the big moment, he got a car out of it last year, and he even continued a friendly relationship with Ford by using a Mustang in his video.

    And you’re right, it wouldn’t have taken up any precious performing time.

    I wonder, though, is that even Nigel’s call? Would he have any say about a video segment that promotes a sponsor?

  • Tera2

    “I like seeing Kris too but he didnt have anything to promote, but they still showed him in the audience and Ryan said show him some love.

    swish5 says:
    05/29/2011 at 5:26 pm

    I missed this – Ryan said “show (Kris) some love”….
    if that’s correct – and he said nothing for Lee?

    It didn’t happen at the finale. I was reffering to when Kris was in the audience mid season and Ryan pointed him out.

  • Ever_wonder_why

    Also as Artemis said the upset began on Monday, not the week before when he was in Asia. This is why I have a hard time believing the Nigel side of the events. The logic and timing does not match up for me.

    THIS! Plus reading that interview piece where Lee said: a last-second scramble — whether it was a week, a minute or a month — seemed inappropriate and kind of ridiculous. THAT is NOT an admission that it happened the week before like Nigel said in his tweet! I think there is a lot of “reading between the lines” taking place concerning Lee’s May 26th tweet about the “2 minutes before” statement. The statement right before that – I was not asked to be involved in the Finale. – says “to be involved”, NOT to perform. That tells me he was never asked to be involved in the Finale before Nigel asked to “borrow” him.

    The *confusion/what I am suppose to do with this* look on Scotty’s face when he was handed the trophy, tells me that they had not rehearsed doing the trophy “hand-off” in any way with him or Lauren. So his solution was to hand it off to James. NOW really was Lee suppose to have horned in on that?? It would have looked ridiculous and Nigel knew it.

  • Dlynne

    Absolutely zero sarcasm involved here, but I watched the entire finale and I actually didn’t even notice Lee in the picture during the segment where they gave away the cars. Not at all. And I know I was paying attention to that part because I found it weird at first they were giving the cars to the teachers and that Lauren and Scotty weren’t getting them – then they announced they got their choice…and I of course started thinking of what I’d pick if I were in that spot, lol.

    You didn’t notice him while Ryan, Scotty and Lauren were giving out the keys because that is not when Lee was onscreen. It was a little later. Ryan was in the aisle standing right in front of Lee and his girlfriend. Ryan was standing in front of Lee for at least 30-45 seconds and he never made an effort to acknowledge him.

    Lee declined to present the trophy because it was Scotty’s moment and it had never been done before. He didn’t feel comfortable doing it. That doesn’t make him petty, whether he was asked 24 hours earlier when his fans were expressing their disappointment to Nigel or two seconds before it was to be done. I have the utmost respect for him and applaud him for doing what he thinks is right.

    BTW, I have no doubt that he would have been happy to present the keys to Scotty and Lauren if he had been asked.

    ETA: Having said all of the above, it still doesn’t negate the fact that he should have been included in the finale just like every other winner before him. It also doesn’t negate the fact that Nigel acted like a bully. Bottom line: Lee shouldn’t be criticized for standing up to that bully.

  • aprilfoolish

    I don’t think Lee misrepresented the facts on purpose. Nigel tweets that he’s sad that Lee didn’t give Scotty the trophy, and Lee says it was 2 minutes before the announcement. I think he was referring to what Nigel did finale night. Whenever the offer was made, he did say he didn’t know details but he said they were told no. Nigel tapping him on shoulder to do an unscripted trophy pass-off seems like potential mess. Can we say Awkward?? At any rate, I feel the offer was made close to the time of his brother’s mad tweets, which was not a week prior, or why would he be so outraged? Because they just found out Lee wasn’t performing!!
    Anyhow, the placing of Ryan in front of Lee seemed so deliberate, like they were showing us (them) they were ignoring him. Definitely awkward, then the shoulder tap? Lee has always been positive and grateful about Idol, and I think his response was reflective of this yet he just told his piece as he saw it.
    I just want to be able to hear him sing, and I hope he continues to sing for a long time.

  • Brook52

    Well I had a gut feeling all season that something about Idol had changed but I could not put my finger on it- I know that
    Simon was rough on the contestants- but what this situation with Lee seems indicative of is an even more self-serving approach with really no caring for the people involved from the past and I think the present as well. I really have no respect left for Nigel or Ryan.

  • musicality

    This whole thing made Nigel look like a freaking ass. Not sure I ever really liked the guy. I always thought of him as one of those types of guys that I can’t stand like Billy Costa (Boston reference). Uptight, fussy guys (Ryan is one of them too). I always feel like slapping them :( But with this Lee thing now I know I don’t like this guy. Here Nigel is with all the power and the cards trying to turn things against Lee, Lee was right not to do it. He was right in saying it would have taken away from Scotty’s moment.

  • karenc

    artemis :

    Your timeline definately makes sense, and definately doesn’t fit what Nigel is saying, because Lee was in Asia the week before the show. Though it is possible that Lee’s management knew about the request to hand over the trophy, and Lee didn’t. Lee couldn’t have found out what was going on until after that or he wouldn’t have said he might be performing in his interviews. If he didn’t get back until the 19th, and said he wasn’t performing on the 23, he had to have found out only a few days that he wasn’t performing. He might have not even known about the trophy if his management said no.

    It would have made way more sense for them to have Lee hand over the keys to the cars, but I wonder if that changed because maybe Lauren doesn’t have her license yet? They never really gave keys to either of them, just to the teachers. For Lauren and Scotty, Ryan just said they could pick their own cars, but he didn’t give them keys.

    And I agree, that him on stage to give the trophy might have taken away from Scotty’s moment because it already had become so controversal at the time that Lee wasn’t performing, and that would have become the story.

    The other thing is, several other Idol winners have said that they would performing with the other winners at the finale, I know Taylor Hicks said that, and Kris Allen was rumored to be rehearsing something for the finale the week before. Maybe this is what Lee thought he would be doing too, performing with the other winners. It appears that this was dropped too.

    And I still think that on one of the most watched nights, it would be best for the show to promote their own, instead of other artists. One of the complaints is that cds from Idols don’t sell, but I think part of the problem is that the general AI viewing public don’t even know some of the previous idols have cds out, even among those that are popular.

  • purelee4LEE

    I would have wanted to move on because clearly from Lee’s most recent tweets he has moved on, but I wish people would get their stories straight. Lee has never shown bitterness before, during or after the finale. He keeps on assuring and reassuring fans on twitter that everything’s fine, there’s a time and place for everything, that he’s excited for the finale. Even after Nigel’s tweet, Lee said he’s not bitter, he supports AI, thankful for AI and all that. If you follow him on twitter, you’ll see that he’s a man of few words (and even fewer tweets). And if you follow what he has been doing even before Idol, you’ll see that he’s a ‘chill’ kind of guy, but he can’t be pushed around. In fact he has quite strong opinions on stuff that he’s passionate about. And as for him being petty, that he didn’t want to present the trophy because he didn’t get what he wanted-to perform- I truly believe he would still refuse to do that even if he did perform. Indeed, how many reigning Idols have you seen hand over the trophy to the new one? In the years that I watched AI finales, I didn’t even notice who gave the trophy. Lastly, for those who commented that Lee should have done this little thing – handing a trophy- for a show that launched his career, he’s grateful but he’s not a pushover. He has promoted the show well, wherever he goes. He always mentions in interviews that he’ll always support shows like AI that help artists. That kind of gratitude should be more than enough.

  • ross

    reading that interview piece where Lee said: a last-second scramble — whether it was a week, a minute or a month — seemed inappropriate and kind of ridiculous. THAT is NOT an admission that it happened the week before like Nigel said in his tweet! I think there is a lot of “reading between the lines” taking place concerning Lee’s May 26th tweet about the “2 minutes before” statement. The statement right before that – I was not asked to be involved in the Finale. – says “to be involved”, NOT to perform. That tells me he was never asked to be involved in the Finale before Nigel asked to “borrow” him

    Yep, I basically thought the same thing. You have to read it that closely for it to make any sense.

  • http://twitter.com/cara_lee pj

    Yep, I basically thought the same thing. You have to read it that closely for it to make any sense.

    No, it’s pretty clear by his statement that he was asked ahead of time. He’s just fudging on the time-line because Nigel called him out on the “two minute” thing. No doubt that did happen, but that doesn’t preclude him being asked ahead of time. His whole argument is that now the timeline doesn’t matter, when he clearly tried to use it to his advantage earlier. Otherwise, how was it “It was made clear that it was something I wouldn’t be doing.”

    I understand that he wanted to perform. It would have meant a lot to him. They didn’t want him to perform. He performed earlier in the year, got called a superstar, but it didn’t help his sales. He got pissy and refused to do anything but sit in the audience. Nigel got pissy back. They had a twitter war. Both were being passive-aggressive idiots. Not gonna give either of them a pass.

  • artemis

    pj-
    When he performed on Idol in March, he got a large sales increase,5k the first week and 3k the next, enough to land him back in the BB200 for 2 weeks. He also sold 12k of BLY, even though the album had been out for months and most of his fans already owned it. His bump was far bigger than the other visiting Idols who performed this year got, probably because he had been so poorly promoted at that point that many viewers hadn’t realized he had an album out.
    He probably would have gotten another good bump if he’d appeared on the finale, but that’s not the main reason people are upset. He was denied something given to every previous winner (except Fantasia, with her previous commitment). He tweeted in a positive way and went to the finale. When he gets there, he is not only ignored, as if Season 9 never existed, but Ryan stands directly in front of him for almost a minute, never acknowledging him. Both Lee and Jonna looked so uncomfortable. The whole thing was so disrespectful.
    Then Nigel posts that insulting tweet. He is such a tool.

    But Lee is ready to move on and I hope the issue fades away. He tweeted today that he got to see his tour t shirts. His next performance is June 4 in Temecula.

  • http://twitter.com/cara_lee pj

    I understand that Lee was disappointed he didn’t get to perform. My point is that he has performed this season, he knew ahead of time that he wasn’t going to perform, he made a point of telling his fans he wasn’t performing, didn’t tell them he was asked to present, then pretended that he was only asked two minutes ahead of time. I don’t think he handled this well.

    I don’t think Nigel did either. Nigel has nothing to worry about in the long run. He’s been laughing his way to the bank for years. Hopefully, Lee doesn’t either. Not smart to burn bridges, though.

    And yes, I’m glad Nigel is back on Idol. It was a better season, despite the problems.

  • Dlynne

    PJ, Lee’s omission of an “alleged” previous request by Nigel to present the trophy before the night of the finale, doesn’t make him deceitful. It wasn’t the subject of either of the tweets Lee made.

    In the first tweet he was responding specifically to his fans about performing, to which he said he hadn’t been asked.

    In the second tweet, he was responding specifically to Nigel’s request to present the trophy two minutes before the winner was announced, to which he declined.

    Just because he didn’t elaborate about a “possible” request prior doesn’t mean he’s hiding something. It also doesn’t mean it even happened. I’m not going to believe it just because Nigel said it. I can tell you this, though: I would believe Lee over Nigel every single time.

  • http://twitter.com/cara_lee pj

    Dylnne, I think when Lee tweeted that Nigel asked him two minutes before the coronation, then yes, he was being coy and passive aggressive. If Nigel lied about the “alleged” earlier offer, I don’t doubt for a second that Lee would have said so in his interview with THR.

    My perspective: I wasn’t a fan of him on the show (I thought others sang better), but I do appreciate some of the pre-Idol music he released. I didn’t particularly enjoy his performance earlier this year, so I wasn’t upset that he wasn’t invited to perform on the finale.

    That said, if I had to be friends with Lee or Nigel, I would probably choose Lee. If I had to have a single dinner with Lee or Nigel, I would chose Nigel in a New York minute.

  • Montavilla

    Here I am again. Trophy-gate, I can’t quit you!

    To my mind, the personalities are irrelevant. Both parties agree that Lee was not asked to perform, and that he was asked to pass the trophy to Scotty. At least once, person-to-person, and possibly more than once (probably people-to-people).

    Having the last winner perform on the following Finale is a tradition that dates back to the second season (the first season with a previous winner), and was only broken once — because that year the winner had a prior commitment.

    Having the last winner hand over the trophy is not a tradition, and nobody has really come up with a scenario where it’s not awkward. We’ve seen it done twice (Lee didn’t get the trophy until later), and it’s never looked good. Probably the best scenario would simply be for Ryan to hand the trophy to the winner as they finish singing.

    The show broke a tradition this year. Whether or not that tradition is important to viewers isn’t all that clear. Nobody’s done a survey on it. But to me, it was important.

    Other things aren’t important. I’m actually happy they started putting the most successful finalists on the opening credits (although, I think I would be upset if they took off any of the winners). I don’t count the photo panels in the auditions to make sure that all winners are represented. I like to see former Idols show up to sing during the season, and I don’t care particularly who they are. If one year they decided not to give cars to the Top 2, I wouldn’t care. I probably wouldn’t be that bummed if they didn’t sign the runner-up (unless it was my favorite).

    But it turns out, this tradition matters to me. I don’t care if Nigel or Lee is bending the truth. The fact is, for the first time, the previous winner was not invited to perform. And, for some reason, it was felt by the show that handing someone a trophy (that most of the viewers don’t realize exists) is just as good. It isn’t.

  • jennyl

    There is one more thing I have to say. Nigel accused Lee of lying but to me Nigel and his team told a even greater lie. The whole concept of AI is a lie. They tried to buy the viewer’s hearts with the huge advertisements of idol winners coming home. They told the stories of their journey and how idol had brought about their success. They had this just before S10 started.

    Every year, they go through the same routine of telling the kids stories and showing their homecoming and how idol had helped these kids to better themselves and have a better life. They even had Idol Gives Back to show how caring they are to society. Call me naive, but I would like to think the show was more than just about making money.

    This year, I didn’t watch the finale but from what I heard, they not only broke tradition, they totally ignored the reigning AI winner and turn a cold shoulder on him. This was not the warm, fuzzy, caring, family orientated AI that I thought the show represent. This was representation of the cold hard reality of the corporate industry. If you don’t sell, you don’t make money, you don’t do has the TPTB tells you, you will face the consequences. Its all about power and money. AI doesn’t care about its contestants or its viewers. It’s just a platform for successful artist to parade their success and make more money.
    Its about them rubbing each other’s shoulders. I don’t care about watching Lady Gaga or Jennifer Lopez etc. I care about seeing the kids, watching them sing and getting the due respect they deserve.

    I’ve followed this show since season 1 and ever since the finale, I feel that I’ve been cheated 10 years by this show. Its all thanks to Nigel and his team.

  • ross

    No, it’s pretty clear by his statement that he was asked ahead of time. He’s just fudging on the time-line because Nigel called him out on the “two minute” thing. No doubt that did happen, but that doesn’t preclude him being asked ahead of time. His whole argument is that now the timeline doesn’t matter, when he clearly tried to use it to his advantage earlier. Otherwise, how was it “It was made clear that it was something I wouldn’t be doing.”

    To be honest this is all getting a bit too hair-splitting. Lee wasn’t preparing a case for court. I really don’t care about any of these finer points, or who said what, because, a) the truth will probably never be known to anybody but the participants, and b) nothing you can parse about what was said or not will change my mind about the fact that the show did not show him basic respect. I don’t care what Nigel said or what Lee said. Do you know why he wasn’t asked to perform? Or why they asked him to present a trophy in lieu of performing? I wouldn’t have been satisfied with being treated as a second-class citizen, if I were in his shoes. I think that’s the bottom line. Not who said what, but an issue of self-respect and pride.

  • poster

    he made a point of telling his fans he wasn’t performing, didn’t tell them he was asked to present, then pretended that he was only asked two minutes ahead of time. I don’t think he handled this well.

    It’s been verified that people in the audience saw Nigel go to Lee 2 min before and talk to him, so he wasn’t “pretending.” Lee would have not even tweeted at all if Nigel hadn’t tweeted his “I guess he was shy” tweet. (pathetic shot, btw) Lee’s response was to Nigel’s tweet (not to anything that happened prior).

    Lee’s interview with THR said “whether it was a week, a minute, or a month” which to me meant he didn’t want this to become a “he said, he said” war with Nigel, which I commend Lee for. I don’t take that as verification that he actually was asked a week before.