Kris Allen New Single The Truth featuring Pat Monahan Impacts Hot AC 5/3

and the meltdown begins in 3,2,1….

Video of Kris fans reacting to this announcement.

(let’s hope Jive has good tires on that career their driving)

It just doesn’t make sense. But I’ll request the song hoping that Kris can stay afloat. Pat will probably sing this with him at the finale.

All there is left to do is hope for the best. Wow. I hope they know what they are doing.

btw, 5/3 is a week from tomorrow. We know that stations don’t have to wait till the 5/3 date to play a song but it would have been nice if the date could have been at least 3 weeks or so out so that the song could have gained a few spins before next week.

I started to wonder if the reworked Heartless was the new single with it slowly gaining spins the way it has but after the song was posted at KAO, then it was almost becoming apparent that this was the new single.

ETA: Kirsten-LOL!

Wow – talk about missing the boat jive. They asked for his fans reaction on his website, and it was all so negative you’d think that would be considered before making this move.

I’m now officially on the list of people that thing Kris’s career is all about promoting other artists. His first single, LLWD was written by the script. His second single is this horrible The Truth remix featuring Pat Monahan (and they don’t even mention him being from Train). So is Kris now just meant to eb an extremely expensive marketing tool?

Sorry, but this is really the stupidest thing I’ve seen the labels do. Worse then Archie’s follow-up last year. Probably equal to the stupd Scars decision for Allison.

Someone us posted that Train has another gig on the night of Idol. So how is Pat going to be able to perform this with Kris. Does Pat have a twin that we don’t no about.Just doesn’t make any sense to me. Oh well I’M one fan that is going to buy this new one when it’s available to buy.No matter if I like it or not.I love the original one and maybe I’ll get use to this one to. Shot I didn’t even like this version until after Kris started singing it live,so who knows.

blmetsfan
Highly doubtful — Pat has a tour date in NJ on May 26th, which is the date of the AI finale. Kris will probably never perform the song live with Pat.

I’ve calmed down and I’m going to support this, even though I prefer the original album version, and I would’ve gone with AWM or BWCU as the 2nd single. I figure that people who are casual Kris fans — or people who haven’t heard anything from him other than LLWD — aren’t going to know about or care about this controversy. They’ll either like this version and will request/buy it, or they won’t.

The one thing more I would do is if they are going to feature Pat’s contribution, make sure people know who he is (Pat Monahan of Train, rather than just Pat Monahan).

I definitely wanted Alright With Me released as the single because it is fun and catchy and one of my faves on the album.

That said, I can envision why they went with this version of The Truth.

1). I think the featuring Pat part is mostly to appeal to PDs, rather than the listening audience. I think this is to encourage quicker adoption of the song.

2). That said, I really don’t think the new version sounds bad at all. While I’m not 100% sure about the bridge, I’ve always liked this song, and I enjoy it with the harmonies and tighter instrumentation.

3). I do think this indicates they are not counting on the album getting a boost since this version is not on the album. That said, it looks like they are turning to singles for generating revenue so it’s not like they’ve given up.

I don’t like to predict radio success because there are a lot of factors, but this song has a good chance of at least doing well on HAC. Besides it could have been worse – they could have picked Lifetime…

ETA:

They asked for his fans reaction on his website, and it was all so negative you’d think that would be considered before making this move.

The artist websites often do this, and I always see fans posting thinking, hey, they’ll read and see what we think and change their minds! I think that by the time it is posted the decision has already been made and those threads are just there for “fun.”

Are they not planning to send it to pop or is that usually at a later date??

As a non Kris fan I think the song sounds fine and should do well.

Pay Monahan kinda creeps me out…JS

But I love hey soul sister

Um,I was hoping TT would be the new single,so yay.I haven’t heard the new one yet-can someone pot a YouTube link to it? Thnx.

This opinion is coming from someone who hasn’t really followed Kris other than hearing his song on the radio and seeing some posts on MJ’s. So not a fan but not a hater. Honestly it sounds like a hit to me. Very in keeping with hits by The Fray and others of their ilk. To me Kris has a very commercial sound and voice. More than Adam and more than my favorite David Cook. It’s just the way it is. I can admit it. So yes, see my bitter face and ignore it.

If Jive and 19E do their job it should be a hit just like Live Like We’re Dying. So 2 cents from an unbiased outside observer.

So this apparently goes against popular sentiment and apologies in advance… but I think this is a really smart move. It’s a great song… “Train” and Kris are on the same upward track right now… there’s a fear at labels of “one-hit wonders” – cross-promoting to audiences is so, so smart.

I love the original… but I think that 9 months later Kris sounds even better than he did on the first recording. Did they record this new version with the Kris Allen Band? He has really, really “come into his own” as a performing artist since the tour last year, and it has crossed my mind that if re-recorded some of the songs on his album, with his own band, that they would sound so different today…

Are they not planning to send it to pop or is that usually at a later date??

It’s possible it could be sent to pop at a later date. CBTM was released much like the way this song appears to be. It went to Hot AC/AC first then at some point a pop adds date showed up later. It looks like it’s being targeted primarily as a Hot AC release and as girlygirl pointed out in the headlines thread, if this does well enough there, they might try for CHR/Pop later.

lorismile

I’m guessing they’ll send it to pop later on. LLWD did more on Hot AC early before it started moving up the Top 40 chart, and TT is better suited for Hot AC/AC anyway

I have no idea why his label is doing this….Kris certainly has proven that he can make a hit. I listened to the remake with Pat and didn’t even notice there was another singer singing! I Love!!! *Soul Sister* but had no idea who sang it….sooooooooo to the consumer like me, they won’t even notice who sang what! LOL (in general, I was not a fan of the song from the beginning, but hey, what do I know! I didn’t like LLWD!!!)
I will always wish Kris much, much success!

Kirsten:
04/25/2010 at 4:23 pm
Video of Kris fans reacting to this announcement.

(let’s hope Jive has good tires on that career their driving)

Thank you Kirsten for this and your other posts as they give something to laugh at in the middle of this misery :D

There are good things with the new version, that’s true. They needed to speed it up a bit and make it shorter, cut out some instrumental parts. I don’t think the average joe will care that someone else suddenly pops up in the song and sings the bridge without warning… but bottom line to me is that this song is not really a strong radio song. KATA has much better ones than this one. For example, I don’t think this song will go far on pop, no matter how many radio gigs Kris does… I hope I am wrong.

I love what this person I follow on twitter said about the music video. just want a music video now. Particularly one where Kris is having problems getting the buttons on his shirt to stay closed.

I -like- The Truth. The chorus is strong and pretty heart-wrenching. It’s no Alright With Me, but I really like the song. the bridge with Pat sounds…weird…but maybe that’s just cause I’m used to hearing Kris sing it…

It’s true, fans might be disappointed, but I doubt they’ll lose loyalty to Kris, they’ll just scorn Jive. People who still aren’t super familiar with Kris will probably like it, and Train fans might join the momentum.

I can see the reasoning. Doesn’t mean I’m super pleased, but could’ve been worse. And besides, maybe we can look forward to a “_____ feat. Kris Allen” at some point. :D

As for the AI finale – I hope Kris will sing this without Pat (like it seems to be) and shows how the bridge should be sang.

I guess I’m in the minority in that I really love the song and am happy it is the next single. It’s such a powerful, emotional song. I hope it does well!

I think maybe if people knew Pat Monahan was from Train – but that’s not mentioned anywhere – sorry – still disappointed and completely feel like Kris is being used

Train fans might join the momentum.

Hmm, the only problem with this is that Train has sold even less CD’s of their current album than Kris and probably therefore has an even smaller loyal fanbase… not much to gain for Kris.

I don’t wanna be a mood killer but it feels like Kris is being used to showcase Pat Monahan as an HAC songwriter.

I like another one someone just posted on twitter. Is Pat Monahan at least hot? Can they be lovers riping each others clothes off as an elephant causes a building to collapse? Sleeptalker yea most of us Kris fans are supporting Kris and Still well.They are upset like you said with Jive.Maybe Jive well be right,but I just don’t really know. I just wanted AWM next it’s the perfect summer song. But oh well life well go on.

If that photo is the single cover, it’s 110% better than the one LLWD got when it went up on iTunes. Jive just don’t throw it up on iTunes early and mess up its sales numbers.

Okay, after a day or two to think about it, I relistened to the radio edit and I’m going to do a 180 here. I don’t like Kris’s music because it isn’t a style I like. But this sounds as good as a lot of the stuff on HAC (Daughtry, Nickelback, and such). And, I think people who like that sound will like this single too. And there are a boat load of people that like that sound…just look at the sales figures. I think this has a really good shot of (a) being a big hit on HAC, (b) selling a lot of singles and thus (c) stimulating album sales. The feature with Pat Monahan will make some people (possibly with an AI prejudice) take a listen with a more open mind. And, really, the reason I don’t like this song (it fades into the background as it doesn’t have enough variation in melody/rhythm/vocals) is why so many people WILL like it.

I’m actually fine with this. I’m not a fan of the song in any form but I can see it’s appeal. I like Pat Monahan and I do think that him being featured on the song will make program directors take a second look. Kris is still a new artist and there is no guarantee any second song would have gotten play. I think Jive is just trying to improve Kris’ chances for a second hit. It’s to their benefit. The only people who will even know about the other version are the people who have already purchased Kris’ album. The little sticker on the cd does mention The Truth by name (at least it did way back when I purchased it). Who’s to know Pat isn’t on the album version?

BTW – LOL Kirsten.

I feel so much rage right now. And this from someone who always though The Truth could be a huge hit on the radio. I definitely wanted Alright With Me to be the second single because I love it, but in all honesty I could (notice past tense) always imagine The Truth appealing to the same people who loved Already Gone and In Need You Know and even getting to #1 on HAC at least.

Who knows now? Pissing off an artists fan base is a terrible way to start off the release of a second single. Plus, I really don’t think Kris fans are being hysterical. I’m pretty sure even casual listeners will find the switch at the bridge weird. And why make a song weaker before releasing it? It’s hard enough for a song to be successful. No offense to Pat Monahan, but Kris sings the bridge alot better which should be argument enough in itself for Kris to sing it, neverminding sentimental notions like respecting the artist or meaning of the song.

Well…I couldn’t get past NOOOOO! to even comment on the possibility of this being the new single–I tried several times to post, but so many negative thoughts were running through my mind. So I didn’t, and now it’s a moot point. What’s done is done, and bottom line is I will support Kris (but HSS is now off rotation on my ipod and KAG will get double listening!!).

Positive notes: I like the cover being used, but wish it said Pat was with Train. Nice photo.

I’ve listened twice and I liked it much better the second time through. Cutting the length and speeding it up does help it. Pat on the bridge, well, like I said, it’s a moot point.

I’m crossing my fingers and hoping for the best. The station I listen to is HAC so I will have an ear open for when they start playing it. They’re usually very good with Idol music.

Group hug everyone!!! :-)

I’m not a Kris music fan – I bought one Kris song during the season – To Make You Feel My Love and I think he sounds lovely on it. I also loved his duet with Urban on the finale.
So I’ve never heard the original The Truth….and this is kinda hawt. Sounds like a hit to me :D

the song shouldn’t be single period–with or without pat.

i can’t recall hearing a song like this on the radio. it’s just so heavy, and without a memorable hook.

this is very much an album song, imo. much like “sober” was, and that was just disastrous for kelly when it was released. just because a song is good, doesn’t mean it will do well on radio.

So what type of production will we get for Kris during the AI finale.

1. Lasers, Smoke, Dramatic lighting flashing to the beat as the song builds with several pairs of the SYTYCD dancers performing a contemporary routine to the song

2. Single spotlight on Kris with the rest of the band and theatre blackened.

I wonder.

tripp_ncwy

??? kris wouldn’t get No. 1 type of production even if his album was multi-platinum…doesn’t suit his style

PLEASE DONT IGNORE THIS COMMENT

guys, I will support Kris no matter what, but I’ve already seen Jive screw up one of my favorite musicians’ career.. and that would be JC Chasez btw… so I’m not about to see it happen to Kris’.

Please trend #AlrightWithMe and #KrisAllen on twitter! I want jive and kris to know that we care…

I’m not trying to be rude and if someone disagrees than just tell me nicely, but I’m just really worried for Kris’ career! please help!

So what type of production will we get for Kris during the AI finale.

1. Lasers, Smoke, Dramatic lighting flashing to the beat as the song builds with several pairs of the SYTYCD dancers performing a contemporary routine to the song

2. Single spotlight on Kris with the rest of the band and theatre blackened.

I wonder.

2. Kris (and the band) is all what is needed.

Are they not planning to send it to pop or is that usually at a later date??

I think TT is a HAC song, and if it works great on HAC, Pop may pick it up. It seems Pop will be crowded in early May (at least that one reason AO gave for IIHY’s late May release).

Besides LLWD charted higher in HAC than in Pop, it’s easier to push TT in that format.

Several HAC stations were re-categorized to Pop. I don’t know whether it matters, but it may help TT to chart in HAC since there are less stations to work on.

ETA, is that TT single cover? i think second single usually doesn’t have its own cover.

If TT has its own cover, I see Jive really wants to make it work.

Contrats to Kris for getting his second single! Wishing him a very successful run with this one, and think it will do well, but don’t think it has a snowball’s chance in hell of getting any significant pop rotation.

I have liked The Truth since the cd came out and was hoping it would be released as a single. I do not see the point in what they did, other than possibly for promotional purposes. To me, it takes away some of the emotion that builds in the original recording to have someone else share the lead vocals, especially on the bridge.

I also wonder if they actually re-recorded the song together or if they had a demo from Pat Monohan’s version that they just remixed it with.

I like Kris’s cd and I really want him to do well. I think looking at it from a perspective that he is essentially a new artist, and that a platinum single for any new artist is terrific. I kind of wonder why Jive feels they have to do this to promote him. Though it will probably add to sales, because I honestly, I will most likely buy the single to support Kris, and some Pat Monohan fans might buy it as well. Maybe the point is to make something people that already have the cd will buy.

I think the “hook” for the song will be the chorus “trying to be perfect, trying not to let you down. honesty is honestly….” Those lines are easy to remember and get stuck in my head.

I’m thinking positively that this will work out just fine. I think Jive has done a good job with Kris so far and I’m hoping for the best on this one.

Also, LLWD (along with Hey Soul Sister) will still be charting high in Hot AC when this song is released, so station PDs should have more interest in adding TT and playing it in regular rotation fairly quickly

This song is perfect for HAC, it could cross to Top 40 in second tier Midwest/Southern markets, but the big boys aren’t going to add it. The song is in the category of Shinedown’s If You Only Knew, which got no love in the major Top 40 markets, but still made top 20. In HAC its a definite top 5.

As far as a video, I can see Jive going along the lines of the Boys Like Girls video with shots of the band and actors in various scenes. Since we have TT feat. Pat Monahan for the song maybe the video can feature Kris’s favorite celeb crush Kate Beckinsale.
I have a feeling we may see the actor and one of the actresses from the IICD house.

This song is perfect for HAC, it could cross to Top 40 in second tier Midwest/Southern markets, but the big boys aren’t going to add it.

I can’t agree. Boston Kiss108 is spinning Michael Buble’s Haven’t Met You Yet and John Mayer’s Heartbreak Warfare. TT is more pop than these twp songs. I see it will cross over to Pop maybe mid-late June.

This appears to be the single cover:

http://i960.photobucket.com/albums/ae81/Saltwaterdiver/KA-Truth.jpg

In HAC its a definite top 5.

This makes me feel better! I hope you’re right, chessguy99!!

I am under the assumption that Kris did not rerecord his vocals for this, that only Pat recorded the new parts. Is that correct?

I do wonder what KAB will perform as their version of TT from this point onwards–the original or the shortened version?

I knew from first listen that LLWD would be a hit, it is a very catchy song. I don’t think Kris is what sold the song, however, and I think this is going to be a bust. Pat Monahan has no name recognition, this is not a Chris Brown with Jordin situation. The song isn’t catchy, and is completely the wrong choice for a summer single. I think Kelly’s Sober is comparable, a pretty song with virtually no shot on the radio. I think this is an Archie situation where he gets two singles and the album is then shut down. Maybe Kris can get a Christmas album lol.

I know Train shot the video for there next single If It’s Love about 3 weeks ago, and it seems to be a pretty pop friendly song http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iR2TIzM5PaQ Maybe they are hoping that the association with Pat/Train can help Kris on pop radio with PD’s?

It is a bit ironic though that TT is Pat’s song because at :23 seconds into If It’s Love he sings the line “Flat like an Idol singer”. LOL

I honestly think it will do very well on HAC. I don’t get the panic at all. But then again i dislike AWM with passion, so….it’s really subjective. But why do Kris fans think this won’t do well on radio? C’mon it’s not some horrendous choice, it’s a ballad, but it’s radio-friendly. At least IMO. I predict he’ll have another top 5 hit with this. I like how they speeded it up a little, it sounds pleasant to me (well except Pat’s bridge but i don’t think this could hurt the song).

I like MJ’s idea that maybe they will re-release the album with this version of the song on it. At least then, they would be restocking stores that haven’t had the album for many months. I don’t think they were prepared at all when LLWD became such a big hit. From what I’ve heard, many stores haven’t stocked the album in months, so how was the success of LLWD going to help sell the album if it wasn’t available?

I wonder if choosing TT had anything to do with many saying that while LLWD was a great song, it just wasn’t what many of Kris’ fans from Idol had been expecting from him. In that sense, it wouldn’t have helped sell the album, if people were looking for ballads and more accoustic songs. Maybe TT will help sell the album to those people, even though it’s not exactly the same version on the album. How many people would actually check to see what version is on the album?

I’m grasping here, trying to find some sense in this move that Jive has made. Is there any possibility of the album being re-released?

This song is perfect for HAC, it could cross to Top 40 in second tier Midwest/Southern markets, but the big boys aren’t going to add it. The song is in the category of Shinedown’s If You Only Knew, which got no love in the major Top 40 markets, but still made top 20. In HAC its a definite top 5.

I wouldn’t mind that outcome at all.

WTF!!! Sony is really wasting the fans’ time and efforts asking for their opinions on the re-worked version but has in fact decided on making it the 2nd single. I can’t believe that they have such low faith in Kris to sell a song! Why can’t they just ride on LLWD’s success and pitch his 2nd single to the radio stations? Yes Train has a highly successful single right now but it’s becos of the song, NOT the band. Someone pointed out that Train has a lower album sales than Kris’s (which would infer a smaller fanbase as well), so what makes Sony thinks that the collaboration would help to sell the song?! No disrespect to Pat but he’s not those big names like Elton John, Paul McCartney, John Mayer or even Keith Urban, all with deep fanbases.

Ok I pray that I will once been proven wrong again, just as I was when LLWD turns out to be a hit because we all know that should his 2nd single tank, he would not be so fortunate to get a 3rd or 4th one like the other guy.

It doesn’t matter if listeners know who Pat Monahan is. It matters that Program Director’s know who he is, and they do. If it will make them spin the single – great! Then people will hear it, hopefully like it, and it will only matter that they know Kris Allen sings it.

I looked it up and Train is signed to Columbia, which is part of Sony Music. What a surprise! So this re-jigger is likely mean to try and help out Pat Monahan as much as Kris. Well, hopefully it will be a win-win, not a lose-lose

It doesn’t matter if listeners know who Pat Monahan is. It matters that Program Director’s know who he is, and they do. If it will make them spin the single – great! Then people will hear it, hopefully like it, and it will only matter that they know Kris Allen sings it.

But why would program directors even care when they know that the band Train is what is selling Hey Soul Sister, not Pat Monahan on his own…

But why would program directors even care when they know that the band Train is what is selling Hey Soul Sister, not Pat Monahan on his own…

Well, Pat is the singer for Train. He is the voice behind Train’s hits. I believe he writes their hits as well (like he wrote The Truth). Those are the things PDs will think of. I seriously doubt they care that the instrumental track being played isn’t done by the band.

In HAC its a definite top 5.

I wish I could agree with this. I think HAC, just like Pop, pushes up the songs that are popular. And they are going to judge popularity by how much buzz is surrounding Kris and the song, how many copies the song is selling, and by how well the album is doing. I think a lot of stations will take a chance on the song based on how well LLWD did, but I don’t see this song selling well, or getting Kris a lot of attention or buzz.

Thank you, Kirsten, for the video link and the laugh. I needed that. That said, I spent all my rage when I thought I could impact the outcome. Kris had said with excitement that he would announce his second single on twitter. The fact that the announcement did not come from Kris tells me all I need to know. At this point, it is just important that we support Kris. I will download the song for him and then delete it. I have a feeling he needs a hug right about now. In fact, I think we all need a group hug. We’ll get through this. We’re in it for the long haul. One positive thing about all this is that Kris should have no doubt about his fans’ devotion. As far as Jive and my previous posting about needing an investigative reporter to do an exposé… I’m locked in and can only write for my employer until my contract expires in July 2011… after that, watch out… They messed with my boy and this Mama Bear, for one, can wait. I love going undercover…

But why would program directors even care when they know that the band Train is what is selling Hey Soul Sister, not Pat Monahan on his own…

Train is Pat..Pat is Train. I have been a pretty big Train fan since 1998 when they released there first Top 20 hit Meet Virginia, and the only persons name I know in the band to this day is Pat.

I think this is an Archie situation where he gets two singles and the album is then shut down. Maybe Kris can get a Christmas album lol.

Pretty sure David had three singles from his album. He performed the third one on the AI results show last year. Touch My Hand was the name, I think. A Little Too Not Over You was his second single.

Kris will do fine. Thanks for your opinion.

Well, Pat is the singer for Train. He is the voice behind Train’s hits. I believe he writes their hits as well (like he wrote The Truth). Those are the things PDs will think of. I seriously doubt they care that the instrumental track being played isn’t done by the band.

What the PDs are going to think of is that Train had hits in the early part of this decade, and one now, but still no one knows who the fuck Pat Monahan is, so it will not be a draw at all for listeners, especially because his vocals can only be heard for a little bit and are awful. No one is going to say, wow this guy who sings for another band has a small part on this guys song which is not radio friendly at all, lets play it!

most of my friends (mostly high school)are into hip hop/r&b and pop. when i played a few songs to get them into kris, the one song that translated very well into their taste is “alright with me”. i don’t get jive’s motives… the younger generation is usually the target for the music industry. “the truth” is way too hot ac/ac and i honestly can’t see it gaining that many spins from top 40 stations. i’m from the los angeles area and songs on the huge top 40 station here (KIIS FM) all do fairly well. i would think jive would make a move to translate kris into more top 40 stations cause that’s where the money is.

ETA: #alrightwithme! i hope this won’t end up like adam’s FYE fiasco where the next single was released like a month after FYE because it failed miserably… i think that’s why lots of kris fan’s are pissed. we don’t wanna see him take a hit (in a bad way) and the truth probably isn’t one of the the stronger songs on his album that is guaranteed success (like AWM, BWCU, CSA, WAOMF).

I don’t want to get into all the reasons I dislike this – really dislike this way of handling Kris.

“Jasper:
04/25/2010 at 5:33 pm
This appears to be the single cover:
http://i960.photobucket.com/albums/ae81/Saltwaterdiver/KA-Truth.jpg
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That’s a really awesome cover…

“Jasper:
04/25/2010 at 5:33 pm
This appears to be the single cover:
http://i960.photobucket.com/albums/ae81/Saltwaterdiver/KA-Truth.jpg
”

That’s a really awesome cover…

unfortunately, covers don’t sell singles…

I am not a fan of this move, however, I kind of understand where they are coming from. 5 of the top 10 hits on itunes feature someone else. Hopefully they market it and it becomes a quick HAC hit for Kris and then he will be able to release AWM mid-summer. My 17 yo son likes it. He remembers and likes the “honestly honesty is the hardest thing for me right now” part.

What the PDs are going to think of is that Train had hits in the early part of this decade, and one now, but still no one knows who the fuck Pat Monahan is, so it will not be a draw at all for listeners, especially because his vocals can only be heard for a little bit and are awful. No one is going to say, wow this guy who sings for another band has a small part on this guys song which is not radio friendly at all, lets play it!

Well I agree if they think the song is not radio friendly they won’t play it.

But I don’t think Pat Monaham has NO impact. I would imagine internal PD dialog would be something like “Oh that Train guy has a hot song and that Kris guy had a hot song… now they are on something together, I need to give that a serious listen.” Now what they think after listening is another thing.

most of my friends (mostly high school)are into hip hop/r&b and pop. when i played a few songs to get them into kris, the one song that translated very well into their taste is “alright with me”.

Totally believe that. Plus it is in the Ford commercials. And it’s summery. I don’t get this decision at all.

Yea Luv Kris looks so sexy on that cover. Well I love Kris and I love how fans love him. Who knows maybe things well work out for the best.Just wanted AWM it would have been the perfect Summer song.

luvadamlambert:
04/25/2010 at 6:05 pm

“Jasper:
04/25/2010 at 5:33 pm
This appears to be the single cover:
http://i960.photobucket.com/albums/ae81/Saltwaterdiver/KA-Truth.jpg
”

That’s a really awesome cover…

Is this a song you can see your friends liking? Its the only song my 17 yo likes on the CD (just not the type of music he listens to).

I would have preferred Can’t Stay Away or Alright with Me as Kris’s single, just because I really enjoy those songs and would have liked to hear them on the radio. However, if they’re determined to release The Truth, I at least like the new version better than the one on the album.

I’m not going to try to guess whether it will be a hit, since I realize I’m not a good judge. I loved Live Like We’re Dying when it came out (and still love it), but when it came out I had no idea whether it was going to succeed on the radio.

most of my friends (mostly high school)are into hip hop/r&b and pop. when i played a few songs to get them into kris, the one song that translated very well into their taste is “alright with me”.

The Truth isn’t being marketed to top 40 stations, those who mainly like r&b, and for some stupid reason, it’s not being pushed to the largest demo that is responsible for LLWD’s success. Of course, none of those demos would immediately be interested in The Truth.

Maybe Jive just wants to avoid all confusion, and establish that Kris is a HOT AC artist, and they think this is the best way to go about doing that. If this is the case, there are better songs on the album, even BWCU and the original version of The Truth, that could have accomplished this.

I take this as a very POSITIVE sign. 2nd singles are a BIG hurdle with Idols. I think they are invested in Kris and went to the trouble to make sure his second single does as well as, or better, than his first. I’m not sure a new artist will get another chance. The David’s weren’t so successful.

By having Jordin’s No Air duet with Chris Brown do so well, it did help propel Jordin’s whole career. People took her seriously. I think this is great new for Kris. AND his opening for Keith Urban is exactly the path Carrie took.

That’s it then. Oh well.

I will say this. I’m a big Kris fan and I’m not going to spend money to buy this version. I just don’t like it as much as the original.

I think it could be a good song for summer in terms of it meaning something emotional to couples who are graduating from high school/college, transitioning, moving on etc. I also think it’s a great song for him to sing on the AI finale as it really showcases his voice (assuming it’s him without Pat), and hopefully his awesome band would be featured prominently as well!

Kris singing that song on AI could really make people “swoon” (I think that’s the word Jamie Foxx used about him).

Right now I don’t like this! But I hope I’ll be able to laugh about it in a couple of months and wonder why I was ever concerned. There’s a lot riding on this new single and it smells too much like a desperation move to me. Whether or not Jive issues a revised album with this track on it will say a lot. I don’t even want to think about what it will mean if they don’t.

I don’t know much about the radio business, but when I asked a question a while back about whether or not a radio station can play a song from an album if it is not officially released as a single, the answer I was given was that a station can play any song they want but usually play released songs because they make “deals” with the labels. So… if this is correct, there is no reason fans who are invested in their radio stations and have some influence can’t call in and request whatever song they want from the album… Some stations are spinning Heartless and it wasn’t released as a single…

This is beyond stupid. If Kris had problems breaking into Pop then I can understand shooting for HAC but this doesnt make sense. and its not like HAC does a great job of moving units. I wouldn’t even compare this to No Air because that was an amazing, catchy song and it was massive on multiple formats including Top 40.

Oh god, I hadn’t thought they might not showcase him alone on the AI finale (that they would introduce Kris singing Pat’s song with Pat).

Okay, I think I need to not read any of these threads for a month. It’s too stressful.

Lizzie put two more video’s up from Rwanda,has gorilla’s in it. Thought I’D post it over here o listen the mood a little bit. I’M going to go watch.Here you guys go. Lizzie posted two more videos from Rwanda: http://bit.ly/9yhuVAhttp://bit.ly/dvmgWU

One thing I don’t understand is if Jive have so little confidence in Kris that they bring in Pat Monohan, why have they been so free in supporting Allison. I know they’ve made mistakes with Allison, but they have released two singles, and are sending her on tour with Adam, which must be pretty expensive. Kris’ album sales have been much higher than Allison’s, and he has had a platinum single, so why would they feel that he is the one who needs “help” in promoting his second single? If this single doesn’t do as well as we’d like, why wouldn’t they release a third for him?

Kris had said with excitement that he would announce his second single on twitter. The fact that the announcement did not come from Kris tells me all I need to know.

Yeah, the radio silence on Kris’ end tells me that he’s not happy about this either. I feel like if he supported this version he would have linked to the stream on his website or sent out a tweet in response to all of the angrydismayed tweets that he received about it. I really feel so bad for him. His second single should be a cause for celebration, not mourning.

That said, maybe I’m in denial but until there is an official announcement I’m holding out a slim hope that Jive can pull back from the brink. I really think Jive does need the fans. They (the fans) can’t make a song a hit by themselves but they can get the ball rolling by requesting the song. Even though some fans are saying they will still support this version if they must, I am having a hard time picturing it getting the grassroots support of LLWD when the enthusiasm just isn’t there.

fanaround someone posted That the Train have a show somewhere else that night. So he can’t be two places at once.Unless Kris part is tape,which I don’t think well be the case. Since Kris said he’ll be performing it then.

This not only sucks, it blows. I am so done with all this. Still love Kris but will wait until he gets out of this insanity and makes his own album. I don’t care if it’s on the Kris Allen label and sells 12 copies. It could not possibly be this frickin STUPID.

This is beyond stupid. If Kris had problems breaking into Pop then I can understand shooting for HAC but this doesnt make sense.

It does if they 1. don’t think anything he has left will do well on pop OR 2. think this will end up helping him on pop (they might still announce a pop adds date).

I’m not saying I agree with their line of reasoning, BTW.

The David’s weren’t so successful.

Not sure what you mean by this but just for the record, Cook’s second single, Come Back to Me, went top #6 on HAC.

As someone who wasn’t really vested in S8, I’m seeing this as pretty positive for Kris. First, he’s getting another single, which some fans were starting to worry about. Second, Jive is putting some effort into trying to get it an extra boost, instead of just throwing something out there and seeing if it sticks, which would seem to indicate they are still very much on board with making him as successful as they can.

As a veteran of the “wtf is the label thinking with this, I love xyz song so it would CLEARLY do much better as a single” arguments I can only say that they are trying to appeal to new fans, not the existing ones and have probably market tested and focus grouped it pretty extensively. It’s not like a label would deliberately put out something that they think would sell less.

Oh, and ITA with those who’ve commented on the nice cover art. Can we get whoever did that for Cook’s next record?

OK the link I posted above doesn’t work maybe this one well.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NUrqxg_Z8js

^Here you go.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NUrqxg_Z8js

As a veteran of the “wtf is the label thinking with this, I love xyz song so if would CLEARLY do much better as a single” arguments I can only say that they are trying to appeal to new fans, not the existing ones and have probably market tested and focus grouped it pretty extensively. It’s not like a label would deliberately put out something that they think would sell less.

I’d buy all this “the label knows best” if I hadn’t seen them decide for Scars for Alison. I think there are single deals with songwriters in the background and Jive is trying to do the best with the deals they have made…

you guys.. twitter fans got Justin Bieber’s fans involved in trending #alrightwithme .. i believe we are quite determined lol

I think this is an Archie situation where he gets two singles and the album is then shut down. Maybe Kris can get a Christmas album lol.

let’s hope he is that lucky, lol… david’s debut had sold well past gold by the time the 2nd single was released, he also released an ep in june, then the christmas cd – which was not that far off kris’s cumulative sales when the buying season ended in early january – 211k was the last number i’ve seen officially reported for it, so here’s to kris having much success with this new single release… the biz is tricky, and you never know what can or will happen.

i’m still waiting for the headline “‘The Truth’ goes for adds on HOT AC on May 3rd… ‘Alright With Me’ goes for adds on CHR May 24th”

hey, a guy can dream. *sigh*

Hmm, the only problem with this is that Train has sold even less CD’s of their current album than Kris and probably therefore has an even smaller loyal fanbase… not much to gain for Kris.

Kris needs all the fans he can get, haha. Seriously though, Train is actually doing reasonably well. They sold only 27K or something like that in their first week and fell off the chart shortly afterwards, and the success of their single is what’s driving the sales of the album at the moment, so they may well end up selling more than Kris. FWIW, I doubt they are looking at Train’s fans, they are looking for the song to be a radio hit, which will sell the song, and hopefully the album too.

Anyway, I don’t really get the understand the vitriol directed at Jive by Kris’ fans this couple of days, given that they have done very well for Kris with LLWD. Whether their strategy will work with the second single only time can tell. I can only give the opinion of a non-fan who likes Kris that the original wouldn’t work very well as a single, and if they want that song as a single (which I think is not the right one), then the re-recorded one would be a better choice. And really, I had to listen closely to tell that someone else is actually singing part of the song, casual listeners probably would barely notice.

I think Kris’ fan might not want to hear this, but a few hundred over-invested fans fuming on the internet matters not a jot to Jive (what, those fans will buy, like, a few thousand singles when they already own the album?). Their goal is to find new fans, and that’ll be Kris’ goal as well. Let’s hope that Jive won’t fall flat on their face with this.

i don’t think fans twittering against the final decision will improve the situation at all. what do you expect Kris and the band to do? refuse to preform TT in at AI finale?

All these negative comments must have Kris reeling. Give the guy some support, some things are beyond control.

BeckyMD. That’s why I’M not going to help trend it. And most of the fans at least I follow only a few are trending it,the rest said there just going to support Kris and hope Jive knows what it’s doing.Am start to calm down now. It’s out of us Kris fans hands now.Even thou it was never in are hands in the first place.

Sigh. Do not think either version of The Truth would be a good choice as Kris’s 2nd single, but I love Kris so I hope it sells millions of copies!

Most of the negative comments are against the new version of the song and against Jive. The fans are all supporting Kris. And most of the people on twitter have calmed down and aren’t even trying to trend Alright with Me. What would be the point? It’s not like Jive/19 is going to suddenly change their mind.

I do wonder when Kris is going to officially confirm this is the new single though. Didn’t everyone say he would announce it on his twitter account?

Can anyone answer one question? If this goes for adds on 3 May, what is a likely time frame for sale on i-tunes?

Hope07

Probably that same day

So if this new version of TT goes up on iTunes, does that mean that both the album version and the new version will be combined for Kris’s sales total? I know people posted that Adam fans were buying his EP version of his songs separately because they added to his singles sales total.

saga: I don’t wanna be a mood killer but it feels like Kris is being used to showcase Pat Monahan as an HAC songwriter.

Just like they used Kris and Live Like We’re Dying to introduce The Script to the U.S.

yea girlgirl someone did. Put I guess something must have changed for some reason.That’s part of the reason people are wondering why Kris hasn’t said anything.And some people said there not going to believe it until Kris tweet’s it himself.Which I hope is soon.People need to except that TT is the next single and just get use to it.All I know is like I said so many times today already is am going to support Kris,buy this new version and look at the sexy picture of Kris on the cover.

I can’t find this on YouTube…can someon plz post a link to it? Tyvm.

Thanks, Girlygirl.

I can’t find this on YouTube…can someon plz post a link to it?

Are you talking about the track from the album w/o Pat Monahan Luv? If so, then here you go:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oTtc1FHJmw8

I’m sure they(Jive, whoever) have a reason, but I would like to know the reason why they picked TT over the other stronger songs on the album. Since they lied, and our opinion wasn’t really wanted, at least they could say why they selected TT. Personally, it’s at the bottom of my list right about Lifetime, but what do I know. I don’t care for “I need you now” either and it seems to be huge. I’ll buy it to support Kris, but whether any of us buy it or not doesn’t matter. First, radio has to play it and second, the greater public has to buy it like they did with LLWD. I really want Kris to tell us what’s going on.

I’d buy all this “the label knows best” if I hadn’t seen them decide for Scars for Alison.

I didn’t mean labels know best, but I do think they try to make the best decisions they can with the information they have, if for no other reason than its in their own financial best interest to do so. No matter how much you market test, there is always that element of art versus science in these things so they are never going to be infalliable.

Re Scars (or CBTM, or any other example) the problem is we never know that xyz song would have in fact done any better.

In any case not trying to quibble, just trying to say that as a non-Kris fan I don’t see this as being a bad deal for him so hopefully other potential new fans wouldn’t either. Oh, and I listened to both versions of The Truth today (wasn’t really familiar with the song) and thought they were both fine. So hopefully other new listeners out there who aren’t vested in the original version will be fine with the new version and intriged by the Train connection, and it will work out well for Kris.

I do wonder when Kris is going to officially confirm this is the new single though.

It does seem like Kris’ fans could use a word from him on this. Perhaps if he went to twitter and said something positive, then his fans might be able to feel a bit better about the whole thing. Hope he does say something soon, at least for his fans’ sake. And I hope the single does well. Nice cover photo of Kris by the way.

but I would like to know the reason why they picked TT over the other stronger songs on the album.

Maybe you don’t think that is a strong song, but others do? I think it’s one of the stronger songs on the album, and I’m not surprised they picked it. The fact that Jive actually released a new version and even got a cover to it makes it look like they’re investing something. This version sounds like crap in some parts, but so do other things on radio.
Maybe Jive doesn’t think he has material that can go high on CHR without loads of support (money), and considering that Kris has shown to have problems selling the album they might not think it’s worthy, but they still try to get Pat to give the song some buzz and lets see what happens.
It should do well on HAC, and that’s not bad. With two hits on HAC, getting airplay for next singles will be easier.

When Kris played TT at his gig in The Bahamas last weekend, he intro’d it by saying nice things about Pat Monahan and how much he liked the song (I don’t remember his exact words), so I’m guessing he knew then that this would be the single and that they would be going with the re-mix. It would be interesting to hear if he intro’d it in a similar way at his gig at the Hard Rock on Friday

Here is more confirmation:

idolsnow: KRIS ALLEN’s new single is “The Truth,” going to Adult Top 40 radio for adds on May 3. New version of song features Pat Monahan of the Train
about 1 hour ago via web

It should do well on HAC, and that’s not bad. With two hits on HAC, getting airplay for next singles will be easier.

And getting people to shows. Kris is planning to tour this summer, right? I know he’s opening but he should also have some small clubs thrown in.

2 HAC hits may or may not help the album, but it will (hopefully) help him keep opening up new ways to get money, and give the label a reason to believe he can be successful next time around.

If you go re-listen to the Slezak interview after the album dropped, this is the song Kris said he had to be convinced to put on the album. Then he said it was because he thought it was such a great or big song or something. I like the song. I just don’t like the new version. I do like the cover art :)

This isn’t sarcasm, just a question…Do we want Jive to be his label next time around? I know nothing about the music business, so have no idea how difficult for Kris to find new management/label given the opportunity.

I remember reading that above all else, Kris hopes for respect in the music business. I can’t imagine that this is the move to get that respect, and he must be so frustrated/disappointed.

So this does seem confirmed now everywhere except from Kris. I do think those Kris fans on Twitter need to send encouraging massages to Kris.
I for one have always loved The Truth [ although I was hoping for BWCU ] I guess I am just a little disappointed as a musician myself that whilst the format of the revamped single is good – Pat’s vocals seem to be put in as an “afterthought” – not a smooth transition. I am just hoping when a “proper” version is released that Pats part sounds better [ Kris's part is fine!]
So at the moment – I am not against them having Pat on the song with Kris as such- its that they’ve done such a hash job with blending it in – not very professional.
Unless Jive does re -release the album with this new version it does seem that they are concentrating on single sales & not tying it in with album sales!
Even so I am still being positive for Kris long term- his performances have been going so well – this is the true Kris- where he can be himself [ he is not able to do that on an album yet]
So chin up Kris fans- you have many performances to look forward to in the next few months [ & I am looking forward to seeing your videos]

This isn’t sarcasm, just a question…Do we want Jive to be his label next time around?

Sigh, I don’t know. I used to make a very clear delineation between his management and his label. I always though that 19M (his managers) have no idea how to promote Kris and not even that much interest in promoting Kris, particularly if such promotion in any way conflicts with their efforts to promote Adam. On the other hand, I did think Jive did a good job with Kris for the most part and I thought they did actually believe in his talent.

At this point, I’m leaning more towards stupidity on Jive’s part than lack of faith in Kris. I think they fell into some way too overly reductionist thinking, i.e. Train has a huge hit – if Pat sings on his song Kris will have a huge hit too!

In short, Jive is not evil, just stupid. Whether I want Kris to stay with them or not depends on how they respond to this disaster, i.e. if The Truth flops but they rush out a 3rd single immediately I would be more willing to forgive and forget.

I consider myself a casual fan. I drop in every now and then to see what’s going on. I don’t get all the hoopla. I like both versions of the song. Actually, I could hardly tell the difference when Pat sang instead of Kris. :lol: I don’t understand why some people dislike the collaboration or that this song is most likely the next single. Good for Kris and continued success to him.

The last listen I gave to THE TRUTH feat. Pat M. wasn’t as shocking to the system. Fingers crossed the marketing strategy works out here. Kris Allen and Pat Monahan/Train are strong right now in HAC and Kris has recently gone top 10 POP, and Train has done even better. Again, I was initially excited to hear what the collaboraion would sound like on THE TRUTH. I’m still not thrilled with Pat’s vocals on this one only because he doesn’t sound the greatest, but at least Kris sounds really good. It all looks good on paper, let’s hope it works. I’m starting to feel a bit more optimistic about it and might even believe this could do really, really well. I know many Kris’ fans preferred AWM and BWCU or even CSA and that might have contributed to the total meltdown along with Pat’s not so hot vocals. I guess his fans get vocal when the issues are important to them. At least that was nice to see.

Anyway, I don’t really get the understand the vitriol directed at Jive by Kris’ fans this couple of days, given that they have done very well for Kris with LLWD.

I agree with you Hazehel. I really don’t think the situation is as dire as some may think. I would be more concerned if Jive had decided not to bother releasing a follow up single to LLWD. It seems to me that Kris has Jive’s support, so that’s a good thing in my book. The Truth wouldn’t have been my choice for single #2 (I was on Team AWM) but who knows? The Truth might end up being a huge Hot AC hit for all we know. His first career ending mistake single has done pretty well in spite of the early dire predictions, so whose to say this one won’t be as successful? Just because Archie and Allison’s second singles flopped doesn’t mean this one will. Even if The Truth does flop, I doubt that his career as a recording artist will be doomed as a result. I get the sense that Jive is in Kris’ corner. Ultimately, I think it will all work out for Kris in the end.

Maybe Jive doesn’t think he has material that can go high on CHR without loads of support (money),

This sounds plausible to me. Considering what is currently played on Pop, I think LLWD was their best bet on the album for a Pop hit. Plus, the fact that CBTM was sent to Hot AC first makes me think they have similar thoughts about this album, i.e. as a whole it’s more HAC than Pop. But, imo, TT is much more radio-friendly than CBTM was and I think it will do better than CBTM. I think Kris fans are going to be pleasantly surprised how well this single sells and charts.

Pat Monahan voice sounds so OLD on this version, GRANDPA old. Who is going to like grandpa singing? Train has 11,000 followers on Twitter. My theory: Jive is planning to drop Kris, so they are hastily fulfilling all their obligations before they do this. I hope Kris has new nice deal lined-up with Universal or something.
I will follow Kris anywhere. And I despise Pat Monahan already, even though I don’t know him or his music. Nobody held gun to his head to record these vocals. Or maybe they have, so that’s why he sounds so horrible. As far as lending support to Kris: Lady Antebellum and Keith Urban lending him support – genuinely and selflessly.
Pat Monahan just trying to use Kris to gain young fans.

My reaction, in YouTube video form:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VtMO-omeo5s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CnwJUaZg2TE&feature=related (first part)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mH1WxZ1MZW8

DAMN YOU, JIVE! DAMN YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I. HATE. YOU. GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW *breathes fire, grows wings, grows claws, turns red….. I’m a DRAGON, JERKS!*

Who am I gonna have to kill?

/melodrama

I wouldn’t mind The Truth being the second single if I didn’t have to listen to Pat Monahan’s awful bridge (no offense, Pat, but Kris’s voice is MUCH better, even when it is strained), but Alright With Me would’ve been a freaking AWESOME song to hear on the radio.

It’s honestly gonna kill me to look at the positive side of this (and I’m a very optimistic person), but I guess I have to. This can’t be the worst thing that could’ve happened. They could’ve laced Pat’s voice throughout the entire thing or said “Pat Monahan feat. Kris Allen”. God, why does it hurt to look at this from an optimistic point of view? Maybe because it’s stupid? Maybe because it could’ve been so much better?

Hmm…. I’m thinking of sending a hateful letter to Jive:

Dear Jive:

In response to your horrible oppression of Kris Allen and his vicious treatment when it comes to singles, I have bought a bazooka and have inspired people, including myself, to go on hunger strikes, and I am on my way to world domination. You will BOW to me! Is this satisfactory to you?

They’d probably think I was just an insane overreacting loony, which is partially true.

Pat Monahan voice sounds so OLD on this version, GRANDPA old. Who is going to like grandpa singing?

Exactly my problem right now. Pat sounds awful on this. If he sounded good I probably would have less issue with it. If Pat sounded better on his part maybe I’d like this better. i know Pat can sing, he saounds good on HSS, so why does he sound absolutely horrible on this?

I’d buy all this “the label knows best” if I hadn’t seen them decide for Scars for Alison.

I didn’t mean labels know best, but I do think they try to make the best decisions they can with the information they have, if for no other reason than its in their own financial best interest to do so.

Yuppers. Some people seem to think that the label enjoy losing money on their investment. Jive thinks The Truth is the best song as the second single, could be right, could be wrong, we’ll just have to wait and see. Personally I see it being only a modest hit, but then I could be wrong (as I was with LLWD which I thought would do reasonably well but not the hit it turned out to be), and if it does turn out to be a huge hit for Kris, I would be the first to congratulate Jive on their strategy, and hope that some of Kris’ fans would be man enough to apologise for their harsh words.

I’m not sure why some people keep mentioning Allison’s Scars, given that many of Allison’s fans have said how much they liked the song and were happy that it was chosen as a single. For some reasons I somehow got the impression it was the label going with fans’ wishes, ditto with Archie’s second single (could be completely wrong with both of course, but I kinda vaguely remember another songs was mooted as a single for Archie but they changed their mind because fans wanted another song? Did I completely misremember that?)

Maybe Kris will be opening for Train? I dunno, this makes no sense to me either. I hope it works out and someone knows better than I.

I’m sure they(Jive, whoever) have a reason, but I would like to know the reason why they picked TT over the other stronger songs on the album. Since they lied, and our opinion wasn’t really wanted, at least they could say why they selected TT.

Maybe we can get the AO mod to spill. He can be awfully chatty.

Thanks for that jammasta:.I need a laugh today.I’M going to have an open mind and believe that this new version is going to help Kris.Really people need to just calm down and take a chill pill.Hopefully things well work out for the best. And maybe if Kris gets dropped he’ll get a better label.

I’m not sure why some people keep mentioning Allison’s Scars, given that many of Allison’s fans have said how much they like the song and were happy that it was chosen as a single. For some reasons I somehow got the impression it was the label going with fans’ wishes, ditto with Archie’s second single (could be completely wrong with both of course, but I kinda remember another songs was mooted as a single for Archie but they changed their mind because fans wanted another song? Did I completely misremember that?)

I don’t care what others here thought, but the moment I heard Scars was the new single for Alison I knew she was toast. That single didn’t have a chance. Not saying it would have been better with another single but at least then she would have had a chance. It is too slow and in too low of a register to even work on HAC. A waisted opportunity.

I don’t get all the hate towards Jive. I think all this says is that they think Kris is worth a second single; one that they are willing to put more money into by featuring a proven hit maker on the single. That can only benefit Kris if it sells more singles. Jive isn’t some evil entity trying to ruin Kris’ career. They want to make money off of him. They’re a business. Why would they want one of their artists to fail?

Jive knows the music business better than any of us. They’re taking a calculated risk that this will improve the marketability of this single, of Kris, and if it helps Train, too, cool beans!

I’m not sure why some people keep mentioning Allison’s Scars, given that many of Allison’s fans have said how much they like the song and were happy that it was chosen as a single

As a huge Allison fan, and my husband is even more of a fan than I am, neither of us liked Scars. We both really wanted Don’t Waste the Pretty or Holiday. Scars is a great album track, IMO, but not a radio single. With TT, it’s definitely a much better choice than Scars could ever be and I think has a decent shot, but I just think there were other, stronger choices. I think this might be an attempt to brand Kris as an HAC artist and a sing like AWM would have kept him in the pop realm, which is not where Jive seems to be taking him.

If TT is successful and helps Kris, I will be the first one to admit being wrong about the choice here, but right now I just don’t get it.

As a casual fan of Kris, I like this song. If it does well on HAC, they can cross it over to Pop. Ultimately, HAC is where Kris belongs not Pop.

And I 100% believe the label makes deals with songwriters to guarantee their album cuts become singles.

I’m not sure why so many people think this is a bad choice.
Fans more often than not pick absolutely the wrong song to release as singles. Anyway, I don’t think it’ll be as big as LLWD but I think this will be a solid hit and could even explode on HAC.

If TT is successful and helps Kris, I will be the first one to admit being wrong about the choice here, but right now I just don’t get it.

TT will hopefully do alright on HAC but it won’t be as succesful as LLWD overall. Not sure it will get much airpay on top40 as i don’t think it will be able to crossover to pop.

This appears to be the single cover:

http://i960.photobucket.com/albums/ae81/Saltwaterdiver/KA-Truth.jpg

This is a stupid question, but after I download this from ITune,
how do I get the single cover ? Yeah, I did not even do that for my LLWD single. But this cover is so good. Hot Kris !!

I’m sure there is no store that sell physical singles anymore, right ?

Jive has stated previously (I don’t remember where, but I remember reading it here) that Kris is an HAC artist. They’re not shooting for Pop with Kris. Any pop play will be a bonus. Do people think that recording artists can only be considered successful if they sell a bazillion singles on pop?

Ratna,

The art/cover should come with the single on itunes. Did you buy the itunes pass and that’s how you got LLWD? If so, that’s why you didn’t get the cover. That whole thing was another sore spot….

Jive has stated previously (I don’t remember where, but I remember reading it here) that Kris is an HAC artist. They’re not shooting for Pop with Kris. Any pop play will be a bonus. Do people think that recording artists can only be considered successful if they sell a bazillion singles on pop?

No but pop is the biggest radio format. Reaches most listeners and therefore artist being played on pop sell more. So if you have a chance at pop airplay you take it.

And I think LLWD did a whole lotta betterer on pop than Jive originally thouht it would and maybe they were taken by suprise but why not capitalize on the success? Release a track that might continue to do well on both formats (HAC and POP) and see if Kris can continue to keep radio presence on pop.

TT is not the single for that, it is more a pure HAC single with low potential for cross over. Ballads/mid-tempo songs don’t do very well on pop and I don’t think this one will either. I’d love to be wrong though.

I think this might be an attempt to brand Kris as an HAC artist and a sing like AWM would have kept him in the pop realm, which is not where Jive seems to be taking him.

Oh, I don’t think that’s it at all. Even if they think of him as an HAC artist they’d still want another cross over hit just for the exposure. Having a song chart well on BOTH would not damage him in any way.

I believe Jive considers this the song with the best shot at success. They could be right or wrong, but I don’t think they are trying to hold him to a format.

If they are not releasing to pop this time around it will be because they don’t think they have any pop options left IMO.

I know zilch about the music business so I am really surprised at the difference of opinions today. jersey has a post this evening (the earliest one) that most likely fits my own personal thoughts on this subject.

All I know is I am hoping this decision from Jive on Kris’ second single will be as successful as his first was, and at this point can only assume it will be – Only time will tell, but I’m going to be thinking positive thoughts regarding his second hit single – works for me! :)

@Train has 11,358 followers on Twitter and @KrisAllen has 174,317… who’s helping whom here??… Just sayin’…

If TT is successful and helps Kris, I will be the first one to admit being wrong about the choice here, but right now I just don’t get it.

I’ll gleefully admit I’m wrong if Jive turns this into a big hit.

Look, The Truth is one of my favourite songs on the album (AWM, RG, BWCU, TT) and I think it has some great lyrics in it, but it just doesn’t seem like a radio hit to me. I hope Jive has done their homework on this one. Maybe it can be a “Need You Now”, but those kind of hits are few and far between. If it does well enough to get him a supported third single, I’ll be happy (knowing all the while that third single will probably either be WAOMF featuring Pop Idol/Boot Song Singer Will Young or Heartless featuring SuBo).

The cover is nice, though he kinds of looks like he just came out of a meeting with TPTB and he doesn’t know quite what hit him. That ghostly purple/blue haze near his knee is a little bit of his soul dying.

Kirsten thank you for the vid on the tire commercial. The timing of it was perfect as I was using some of doeeye’s kleenex at the time and it put a big smile on my face!

The art/cover should come with the single on itunes. Did you buy the itunes pass and that’s how you got LLWD? If so, that’s why you didn’t get the cover. That whole thing was another sore spot….

I’ve kind of resigned myself to the remixed version, but they’d best not release it on a Friday with the No Boundaries cover art and no labels on the track.

The cover is nice, though he kinds of looks like he just came out of a meeting with TPTB and he doesn’t know quite what hit him.

It does kind of look like that.

but the moment I heard Scars was the new single for Alison I knew she was toast.

She was toats no matter the choice. Nothing was going to work for her at that point.

@Train has 11,358 followers on Twitter and @KrisAllen has 174,317… who’s helping whom here??… Just sayin’…

I’m pretty sure their Grammys and multiplatinum albums trump Kris’ twitter followers, lol.

Are you aware that Hey Soul Sister is one of the biggest songs IN THE WORLD right now?

Hoping and praying here that Jive is doing right by Kris. This seems to be going so well for him now that it doesn’t need to get screwed up. I was really hoping for All Right With Me and don’t even really like The Truth at all. Here’s hoping that atleast one million other people do and that his single does as well as the first. I will still buy the single if only for the cover.

@Train has 11,358 followers on Twitter and @KrisAllen has 174,317… who’s helping whom here??… Just sayin’

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Well Hey Soul Sister has sold millions of downloads nevertheless. Jordin Sparks has something like 300K followers. And that proves what?

I really love Hey Soul Sister so I think The Train are great. I just hope when it plays on the radio it sounds better.Maybe that was just more of a listen copy so people couldn’t rip it from the KO site.(or whatever the term for it). Well I just sent Kris a couple positive things there twitter. Even thou people say he doesn’t read his replays,am sure other people do and let him know what there tweeting him.I just feel like he needs his fans support right now.

Are you aware that Hey Soul Sister is one of the biggest songs IN THE WORLD right now?

Indeed it is!

i-tunes:
5. Hey, Soul Sister – Train

Pop
5 3 TRAIN Hey, Soul Sister 9726 9248 +478 53.167

Hot AC
2 2 TRAIN Hey, Soul Sister 4121 4209 -88 22.105

AC
5 4 TRAIN Hey, Soul Sister 1868 1825 +43 14.42

Hot 100
LW TW
3 3 Hey, Soul Sister – Train

Hey Soul Sister is #3 on that Global Tracks chart and sold 260K downloads last week. And that was probably an off week for the song. :) I’d feel bad for Kris but Idol winners are the property of 19. They sell their artistic independence for instant fame and fortune. That’s just the way it is.

Well. It’s plenty obvious Jive doesn’t give two craps what Kris’s fans think of this. So it would seem Jive’s only concern is what PD’s think of the new single with Pat Monahan. A lot of PD’s are old, fat white guys, working for radio stations owned by ultra- conservative corporate conglomerates. Pat Monahan was recently a guest on “Red Eye”, a late-night right wing cable show on Fox News Channel, a show on which the likes of Ann Coulter are frequent guests. Pat was on the panel for the whole show, performed two songs, and had Train’s CD pimped to the skies by the show’s host, Greg Gutfeld, who called him a personal friend.

My best guest about this Jive/Kris Allen decision is that Jive is going for the Gokey fanbase they seem to have somehow lost by the time KATA dropped. Releasing a Train song with Pat Monahan dueting on it is a pretty easy sell to the righty PD’s. As to whether the built-in high spin count will result in increased CD sales, or sales of this single, I haven’t a clue.

Well Hey Soul Sister has sold millions of downloads nevertheless. Jordin Sparks has something like 300K followers. And that proves what?

LOL. Yeah, one day people will figure out what the exact meaning of Twitter followers are. Cause I sure don’t know. :)

Are you aware that Hey Soul Sister is one of the biggest songs IN THE WORLD right now?

Just because something is “biggest in the world” does not mean it is good. The song is crappy and Pat Monahan voice is crappier. Plus, their album is not biggest in the world because it is full of other crappy songs.

So how does them having other hit song helps Kris?

The problem with comparing The Truth to Hey Soul Sister is that the songs sound nothing alike. In fact, if I were to pick a song off of Kris Allen that sounds more in sound and spirit like Hey Soul Sister, then I would pick Alright With Me. They’re both fun, insanely-catchy feel-good jams.

Pam- I have been watching Train’s progress for months- Pat Monahan is a hometown boy and I like to see how they are doing. Their airplay on HAC is what got them to the top of the Itunes chart. It wasn’t until then that CHR climbed on board and started scrambling with high spin increases.

Check out this global POP chart. I have been following that too because of Adam- Train is EVERYWHERE on it:

http://www.apple.com/euro/itunes/charts/top10popsongs.html

LOL, also on Red Eye with Greg Gutfield: Ozzy Osbourne, Brett Michaels, Andrew Dice Clay, The Scorpions, and John Lydon former frontman for the Sex Pistols.

Lizzie put two more video’s up from Rwanda,has gorilla’s in it. Thought I’D post it over here o listen the mood a little bit. I’M going to go watch.Here you guys go. Lizzie posted two more videos from Rwanda.

OMG, how cool is that ? Kris was so close to the gorillas. And the baby on top of the mommy one.

I have been watching Train’s progress for months- Pat Monahan is a hometown boy and I like to see how they are doing. Their airplay on HAC is what got them to the top of the Itunes chart. It wasn’t until then that CHR climbed on board and started scrambling with high spin increases.

Check out this global POP chart. I have been following that too because of Adam- Train is EVERYWHERE on it:

Wow what an impressive looking i-tunes chart from a global perspective. I’ve never seen a chart like that before. No denying HSS is a global hit.

Thanks :)

Once again, who cares about Train sales – why not go and post on Train message board. This is about the new version of the song that got ruined by Pat Monahan horrible vocals. Funny thing is that Pat Monahan’s voice sounds so bad next to Kris’ voice – I hope that this the effect he was going for – show that Pat Monahan’s voice is old and weak.

So how does them having other hit song helps Kris?

Radio likes to play artists that have big hit songs. I honestly think TT has the best shot of being a hit on the radio. I’m really not so convinced that any of the other album cuts would do better.

I love HSS but don’t like Train’s older stuff. I must be living in an alternate universe because the new version doesn’t sould so terrible to me. :)

Jive has stated previously (I don’t remember where, but I remember reading it here) that Kris is an HAC artist.

I don’t remember Jive ever stating what format Kris belongs in. Not doubting you, I just don’t remember ever reading that.

I like “The Truth”, but I just can’t believe that they didn’t choose Before We Come Undone or Can’t Stay Away, or even Alright With Me as the 2nd single. Those would’ve made much better impact I think…

If they said that, it had to be pre LLWD.

LOL, also on Red Eye with Greg Grunberg: Ozzy Osbourne, Brett Michaels, Andrew Dice Clay, The Scorpions, and John Lydon former frontman for the Sex Pistols.

Yeah. I remember Ozzy being invited to dinner at the White House…with George Bush. Misogynists Bret Michaels and the slimy-as-hell Andrew Dice Clay are pretty popular with the country rock music demographic as well.

I could be wrong about the label’s motives here…but I sorta don’t think so.

“Hey Soul Sister” is a sweet little song, but I really wanted AWM to be the next single. Poop.

From LLWD to TT, i think Jive has been very calculating. So far they have done great job in promoting Kris to the radios, maybe not so much in term of artistry, but Kris is still young and new. With two hits at hand, he can have more negotiating power in his 3rd and future singles.

I think given the $$ put in TT, there will be an MV too.

country rock music demographic

At least that demo buys a lot of albums.

Ainow said nothing official yet someone ask if was official from when ainow tweet earlier. This is there tweet.nothing “official” from the managment yet. Probably tomorrow. I don’t think they counted on that image being leaked.

I think given the $$ put in TT, there will be an MV too.

I guess they can show that Kris is better looking than Pat Monahan, too. Way to promote Train guy – old,ugly guy with weak voice

For those who can’t tell – I am still enraged over this. Gonna have some Armenian brandy,may be this will help.

At least that demo buys a lot of albums.

You got it. Exactly my point.

I’m guessing Jive will do AWM as number 3 – just seems to fit after TT to me.

Ratna12 I loved the gorilla vid too and was wondering if she put it out to distract us Kris fans a little from all the angst we were feeling!!

Good idea about the brandy Kino :)

I could (notice past tense) always imagine The Truth appealing to the same people who loved Already Gone and In Need You Know and even getting to #1 on HAC at least.

Who knows now? Pissing off an artists fan base is a terrible way to start off the release of a second single. Plus, I really don’t think Kris fans are being hysterical. I’m pretty sure even casual listeners will find the switch at the bridge weird.

I think Kris fans will support Kris. I don’t think they’re going to abandon Kris because of this song. I mean the talk from his fans is all because they like him, are concerned and want him to do well. So I don’t see them going anywhere. I disagree about casual fans finding the bridge switch weird. Nor do I think they find the vocals that jarring or different. I think it’s going to be even less of an issue than The Script writing LLWD will be to those outside the bubble. Which is to say, it won’t matter at all.

The only issue I really, and continue to see, is one with any song, will people outside the fanbase like it? If that Lady Antebellum dreck can do well, and those Daughtry songs do well? this song has a fine chance of doing just fine, as well. I still worry about the hook, this isn’t earwormy to me personally. But it sounds like stuff I hear on the radio, so I can see the radio playing it. Mind you, it sounds like stuff I really dislike on the radio for it’s being generic and lame, but hey, if it sells, who cares? And Pat being on it will help it sell to PDs, so that’s a good thing in helping it get on the radio enough to sell to listeners.

i was thinking that maybe this “leak” is a bad thing. i’m talking about how the single cover and that email to hac stations may be bad that they are out in the open without official announcements. with these in “public reach” already, there’s definitely no going back on this decision since it’s already being confirmed as his 2nd single without anything official from kris himself. i don’t know, just a thought.

Just to be clear, I don’t agree that is what Jive is doing, at all. At least not in that way. If that demo buys, great. I don’t think Jive said “let’s put Pat Monahan on Kris’ song so republicans will buy”. But what do I know? Oh, and I hope mysoginist Brett Michaels is ok since he’s currently in critical condition in the hospital having suffered a brain aneurysm. Peace all.

I’m guessing Jive will do AWM as number 3 – just seems to fit after TT to me.

I wonder if they ever overlap singles? It would be great to see Alright with Me as a summer single, which would have meant putting it up for adds in May.

Well, we all knew what was going on when the song started streaming over at KAO. Kris is so great; I hope they know what they’re doing.

I guess Kris and Pat Monahan will be singing this on the finale.

Suzanne

They can’t sing it as a duet on the AI finale — Train has a concert scheduled across the country on May 26th (the date of the AI finale) — Pat Monahan will be in NJ. I’m assuming Cale will simply sing background vocals — as he has done ever since Kris starting performing TT live at his gigs.

Also, can we stop calling Pat Monahan an old man? The guy is 41 — that’s not old. Keith Urban, who everyone was thrilled about duetting with Kris, is older than that…

I must be living in an alternate universe because the new version doesn’t sould so terrible to me.

Me either. But then much as I am rooting for Kris’s continued success, I don’t like a lot of the music on his album and none of it is on my iPod. I prefer listening to Kris’s live stuff, especially the acoustic versions of songs like TT.

So I think the more casual fans of Kris are going to be fine with this song, that the hardcore ones will continue to be hardcore, and that this song has a good shot, especially with Pat, to be an HAC hit, and possibly crossover.

I will say that like mj, I would personally prefer AWM over this as a single. And I think AWM has a more feel-good summer feel to it. But I don’t feel that TT is doomed to failure, or that Jive is hurting Kris by just releasing this to HAC first. It could totally be submitted to CHR later, or crossover if it’s a hit.

And in a not related, but shallow note, dig the cover.

Also, there is no reason why Jive/19 couldn’t release AWM to Top 40 and TT to Hot AC if they wanted to do that. I don’t think they will, but plenty of musicians have had multiple singles out at the same time.

girlygirl:
04/25/2010 at 10:47 pm
Also, there is no reason why Jive/19 couldn’t release AWM to Top 40 and TT to Hot AC if they wanted to do that. I don’t think they will, but plenty of musicians have had multiple singles out at the same time.

That would certainly convince me that Jive is truly working in Kris’ best interest. If both did well, I’ll bet his album sales would make a complete turnaround.

Also, there is no reason why Jive/19 couldn’t release AWM to Top 40 and TT to Hot AC if they wanted to do that. I don’t think they will, but plenty of musicians have had multiple singles out at the same time.

right now in the chart those musicians are ladygaga, kesha, rihanna and the like who have #1 mega hit. altho LLWD is a hit, it doesn’t provide assurance as the other songs.

girlygirl:
04/25/2010 at 10:47 pm

Also, there is no reason why Jive/19 couldn’t release AWM to Top 40 and TT to Hot AC if they wanted to do that. I don’t think they will, but plenty of musicians have had multiple singles out at the same time.

because there’s just too much overlap between the two formats. i can’t recall the last time a label sent two different songs from the same artist to pop and HAC stations at the same time. pop and urban/rhythm yes, because in general, there’s a much bigger difference between their playlists than playlists between pop and HAC stations.

what’s more interesting is that on ontd_ai, someone who lives in the Philippines says that radio stations there (and SonyPhilippines — is there such a thing?) are promoting BWCU as the official 2nd single.

I can see Jive trying to benefit from the success of Hey, Soull Sister, but they are trying to sell Kris as a singer songwriter, so they release a second song off the album he didn’t write? Kris just signed the publishing deal, they should release AWM to show off his writing abilities.

I want to drive around this summer with the windows rolled down & AWM blaring on the radio. I wanted this from the first time I heard the song.

well if RCA can release WWFM just weeks after FYE, then Jive could certainly do the same thing with TT and AWM (although of course in Adam’s case FYE wasn’t doing well on radio or charts and had the whole AMA controversy surrounding it, etc etc)

As I say, I don’t expect Jive to release the two songs simultaneously, or even close together — just saying that in theory they could, as there is precedent for doing this

Couldn’t you just picture AWM on the finale, with maybe the S9 guys singing the yeah, yeah, yeah parts? I had such high hopes for that performance. On the other hand, Kris really can sell an emotional song live, so as long as Pat is NOT performing with him, maybe the live performance will really sell the song.

well if RCA can release WWFM just weeks after FYE, then Jive could certainly do the same thing with TT and AWM

it’s not about if two songs from one artist are released, it’s whether radios will play both. FYE didn’t get much airplay did iy?

I want to drive around this summer with the windows rolled down & AWM blaring on the radio. I wanted this from the first time I heard the song.

Me too. In fact, I can’t imagine anyone resisting doing just than when the song played on the radio.

Didn’t Usher have two songs and out at the same time off his new album? If so, then Jive can do it if they want to.

I just visited KrisAllenOfficial.com. There are 11 pages of comments with virtually everyone saying the same thing. It’s incredible. Everyone wants Alright With Me. Some people would have been happy with Alright With Me or Can’t Stay Away or Before We Come Undone. But there isn’t anyone who doesn’t think Alright With Me should have been the next single.

It’s so contrary to what everyone wants.

Just to be clear, I don’t agree that is what Jive is doing, at all. At least not in that way. If that demo buys, great. I don’t think Jive said “let’s put Pat Monahan on Kris’ song so republicans will buy”. But what do I know? Oh, and I hope mysoginist Brett Michaels is ok since he’s currently in critical condition in the hospital having suffered a brain aneurysm. Peace all.

Now, I certainly didn’t say that Republicans and country rock, “Red Eye” and Andrew Dice Clay fans are the same demographic! Since a lot of my family members are Republicans, I know that not to be true. I mentioned a specific demographic that includes fans of Red Eye’s Greg Gutfeld, and presumably his personal friend, Pat Monahan. And I do think Jive may be trying to target that demo, which may also include a fair number of PD’s, Keith Urban, and Lady Antebellum fans.

I’m well aware that, tragically, Bret Michaels is currently fighting for his life. I don’t think you mean to say that having an aneurysm means that he’s not a misogynist. Maybe “Rock of Love” is a sweet, romantic fable about finding true love.

Couldn’t you just picture AWM on the finale, with maybe the S9 guys singing the yeah, yeah, yeah parts? I had such high hopes for that performance. On the other hand, Kris really can sell an emotional song live, so as long as Pat is NOT performing with him, maybe the live performance will really sell the song.

as much as i like kris on ballads and mid-tempo songs, i would (have) like(d) to see kris showcase his ability to hype crowds and sing something fun and upbeat for the finale especially since one of the things that pinned kris down was the fact that kris is “boring” which his fans know he is far from.

if TT is not release to pop, i think they might release another one then. Anyway I’ll support Kris with this new one of course. I like the shorter version although not much Pat but it might appeal to others.

And besides, maybe we can look forward to a “_____ feat. Kris Allen” at some point.

Replace the blank spot with Keith Urban and if the song is good, it’s an assured top 10 hits. Their voices are blending so very well together. But i’m dreaming here (for now anyway)

Well Kris isn’t Usher. Very few artists will have two singles out at the same time. And I have no idea what being a Republican has to do with liking Lady A or Train or any type of music. And hating women and being a womanizer aren’t exactly the same things. As one who actually watched Rock of Love knows, Brett always came across as rather a pussycat. I hope he’s okay.

Didn’t Usher have two songs and out at the same time off his new album? If so, then Jive can do it if they want to.

I love Kris, but he doesn’t have the credibility of Usher yet. Usher has had huge hits before, so radio is willing to spin two of his songs.

Jive could release 10 singles at once if they like, but then stations will just pick their favourite and none of them will chart or gain any momentum.

No, they’ve picked “The Truth” so “The Truth” it is. I think adding multiple singles at the same time will just make the situation worse. I’m just crossing my fingers that Jive is really going to support this single and that their research shows that it has a chance.

It’ll all mull over eventually, and I think it’ll work well for Kris. There will be people like me who still think Alright With Me should’ve been the second single, and there will be tons of people who will think “Pat Monahan shouldn’t have been on that song”, including me. In the end, I don’t think it’ll hurt Kris any more than it’ll help.

However, this is coming from the guy who will probably be institutionalized for turning into a fire-breathing dragon and almost burning down a city with my fiery dragon breath upon finding out that the single was The Truth ft. Pat Monahan, so take that with a grain of salt.

To be honest, The Truth is the song on the album that’s been playing the most in my head. I’m not getting the single because I HATE Pat Monahan’s voice, but it does have an audience. Sure, I probably won’t be able to get over Pat’s voice ruining the bridge (sorry for being so hateful, and that’s just IMO), but hey, people are gonna be introduced to The Truth, and it’s probably my second favorite song from the album after Alright With Me (or maybe even before it).

I would totally half forgive Jive if they do release Alright With Me for radio play. (Yes, totally half forgive). I think it would be totally awesome to have a dance party with Kradam with AWM and IIHY.

I still can’t get over how I think AWM would’ve been a PERFECT single. The Truth was my second choice, though.

ai_fan:
04/25/2010 at 9:20 pm
Ratna,
The art/cover should come with the single on itunes. Did you buy the itunes pass and that’s how you got LLWD? If so, that’s why you didn’t get the cover. That whole thing was another sore spot….

Thanks, I actually bought the ITune pass and that one wasn’t downloaded until a week later. In the meantime, I bought another album from ITunes, 2 from Walmart and I bought the single LLWD too.
But, truelly, I never check if I have the cover or not.

It’s good to know that I’ll get the cover when I download the TT single though. Kris is hot in that pic.

Not only do I think AWM will be a huge hit when Jive puts it out, but I almost think the *alright with me* will become a tongue in cheek kind of catch phrase for a while. We’ve already done it around here a couple of times! There is just something about that phrasing that is beyond catchy to me!

Now if Jive doesn’t release it (like never) well I’m afraid this ole lady will finally throw away her pom poms and pray Kris ends up with a different label eventually!

It’s better for the label to put out a song it supports than to put out a song the fans love. Because if singles don’t get major support they generally don’t do very well. Even with support, most flop anyway.

That’s why Idol follow up albums usually are meh. Once 19 and/or the label pulls out the mega support for the singles, it ain’t pretty.

Even though Jive seems to be in a funk, I don’t think hoping for them to drop Kris is a great idea. That never works out as hoped.

(OT – thanks for the cool iTunes link showing top 10s in various categories. Who knew Glee was the #1 album in five countries right now. At least on iTunes. :)

Didn’t Usher have two songs and out at the same time off his new album? If so, then Jive can do it if they want to.

Kris is not Usher. If you are a huge artist you can get away with having 2 songs on the radio at once, if you stagger them a la Beyonce, or as said upthread if they are realased to formats that don’t get a lot of overlap (pop & country, for instance).

But HAC is basically a subset of the pop chart. The whole purpose of HAC is to take current pop songs and filter them towards the tastes of adults. Pop caters to teens and young 20s, HAC takes the songs aimed at teens right now and removes the ones their moms wouldn’t like, throws in softer rock and singer songwritery stuff they think grown chicks dig, and toss in a few pop songs popular up to 15 years ago – therefore catering to folks in their late 20s through early 4Os. Then finally, AC filters these same songs even further for stuff that hit on the pop charts 6 months ago that people in their 40s up won’t hate, and them spins them along time pop hits from up to 25 years ago.

HAC is not going to play one Kris song while another spins at pop. They will want to play the same Kris song as pop is playing. Their whole function is to play the same stuff pop plays.

It’s pretty clear to me that Jive plans to market Kris as an HAC artist, like a Colbie Caillat or a John Mayer. Also, I really doubt they’d release a different single to pop (doubling their time and money spent), and if they just a throw a single out there on CHR without a push, it’d most definitely bomb.

I think TT has an excellent chance of doing well on HAC though. Even with the horrible radio edit, I think it’s better than Cook’s “Come Back to Me,” and that made it to #6 on the HAC charts.

Hope07:
04/25/2010 at 11:21 pm
Couldn’t you just picture AWM on the finale, with maybe the S9 guys singing the yeah, yeah, yeah parts? I had such high hopes for that performance. On the other hand, Kris really can sell an emotional song live, so as long as Pat is NOT performing with him, maybe the live performance will really sell the song.

Yeah, me too. I was dreaming weeks ago about the yeah,yeah part .
But, I’m really excited that I will have Kris singing The Truth on national TV.

Putting out two songs at once in the same country is a bad idea unless you’re Beyonce levels of popular. Otherwise it just confuses the stations and both songs will have trouble getting the level of airplay required to become hits.

I think TT has an excellent chance of doing well on HAC though. Even with the horrible radio edit, I think it’s better than Cook’s “Come Back to Me,” and that made it to #6 on the HAC charts.

Yes, I have to agree with that.

I have gone through so many levels of emotions over the past couple of days with this. When casual fans post that they like the song and can’t really hear that much of a difference, it makes me hopeful. I understand using the huge popularity of Train to get this out there. I hope it works and that it becomes a huge hit.

Seriously, we have got remember this is Kris Allen we’re talking about! He’s like the comeback kid! He makes the top 24 on AI as fodder and wins!! His first single is a cover that will never make it, and it not only sells platinum (and is still selling), still top 10 on HAC and makes it to top ten on Pop!

I’m not overly concerned about the singer/songwriter thing right, I just want another hit at this point. Then we can move forward from there. Go Kris Allen!!! Your fans love you!!! :D

PS: I can’t think about the whole summer AWM thing much, it’s just too hard. :( But again, Go Kris!!!!! There is so much good ahead for you!

I re-listened to the song, just to confirm my optimism about the song possibly doing well, and yeah, I can totally see that song doing well on radio. Definitely on HAC, and yeah, even on Pop.

And yeah, I still don’t hear the horror of Pat’s voice being used, or the change in bridge. But then I couldn’t tell you how it differs from the original in any way shape or form, so there is that.

Regarding the singer/songewriter thing and Jive positioning him for that, but not putting out a song written by Kris as a single. Granted not the most confidence in Kris right now. But maybe a way to look at it would be that they’re looking to establish Kris with singles that do well, though yes, written by others right now. So that Kris has a reputation as being able to sell singles as a whole on radio. And if he can do that, then have the next one be a Kris written single, which by then radio will be looking at a guy with a proven track record, so more likely to pick up his next song. Which then has a greater chance of doing well, as well, and that might help working his catalog of songs to others as well, or licensing them, or whatever that is supposed to do.

I’m being uncharacteristically optimistic for some reason, but I’m going with it.

I re-listened to the song, just to confirm my optimism about the song possibly doing well, and yeah, I can totally see that song doing well on radio. Definitely on HAC, and yeah, even on Pop.

My take on it is, I don’t find it very hooky or easy to remember after I’ve heard it (and I listened to it several times last night), but it does sound like some of the more recent Daughtry and other HAC songs that are sorta bland yet pleasant and do well in that format now. However, it occured to me that Daughtry has more liberty at the moment to send any dreck to radio (not a fan of their 2nd album stuff), and have it spun because they already had the earwormy hits like It’s Not Over, and Home from the first album.

So, IDK. I still think it could do pretty well though. But not as catchy as LLWD.

Actually, I personally was hoping that “Before We Come Undone” would be his next single. It’s moody (without being too poppy or too emo), well-written, and probably my favorite on the whole album. And they played it during the audition rounds.

But I agree that “Alright with Me” would’ve been a wise choice, so hopefully eventually. “The Truth” is the next best though…at least the original. Gonna check out the new mix now.

Also, there is no reason why Jive/19 couldn’t release AWM to Top 40 and TT to Hot AC if they wanted to do that. I don’t think they will, but plenty of musicians have had multiple singles out at the same time.

very good scenario girlygirl and i wouldn’t be surprised if it happens.

I love the TT (as i said before i prefer Kris much more than Pat on the bridge — but new listeners won’t know that) and he performs it very well. So I’m thrilled that he’s going to sing it (all by himself!) on AI; that s/b all good.

The single cover is just wonderful; what a good art pic and he looks gorgeous in it :D

as much as i like kris on ballads and mid-tempo songs, i would (have) like(d) to see kris showcase his ability to hype crowds and sing something fun and upbeat for the finale especially since one of the things that pinned kris down was the fact that kris is “boring” which his fans know he is far from.

This is the main reason why Kris needed to release AWM, while it’s not my favorite song, Kris really needed a song that shows off his personality. Maybe, from Jive’s point of view, AWM doesn’t show who Kris is as an artist, but he really needs a song that takes away this idea that he’s a folk singer (I don’t even know where people get that from), or that he’s just singing elevator music. I really wish he’d gotten the chance to perform LLWD on a national stage when it was at its peak, so that more people could have associated him with that song, so we could have dispelled some of the theories about his music.

When casual fans post that they like the song and can’t really hear that much of a difference, it makes me hopeful.

I’ve really appreciated that kind of perspective and response from posters here over the weekend. And I tested it with a good friend. I sent her the link without telling her what was going on at KAO and she wrote back that she really liked the new version (she has the album so was familiar with the original version). She liked that it was still a ballad but more uptempo. And she liked Pat coming in on the bridge!! She’s been an Idol watcher from the get-go but not an internet fan, so I’m going to trust her gut reaction! Go TT!

But sad, too, that my AWM fantasy finale with Ellen and Kara being back-up singers is now gone…sigh…I’ll get over it. Really, I will. Just need to redirect my fantasy to TT and a different kind of performance. Plus I can always hope that JIVE at least comes through with a platinum certification plaque for Kris on the finale. They owe him that!

I’m looking forward to hearing this on the radio but I’m just hoping they send out a better quality version that the one streaming online now. Also, I hope Kris is the one singing the bridge. On a side note, I’m loving the single’s album artwork/cover. It looks really cool.

Check out this global POP chart. I have been following that too because of Adam- Train is EVERYWHERE on it:

http://www.apple.com/euro/itunes/charts/top10popsongs.html

It will be interesting to see if part of Jive’s thinking is to use Train to help market Kris worldwide? If Train can tour overseas, Kris would be a good opening act. I personally would have liked AWM as the first single, but I do think Jive is looking at the big picture in regards to Kris’s career. I don’t know Kris’s tour schedule, but Train will be in Japan and Australia over the summer.

20-Jun – Tokyo, Japan @ Duo
20-Jun – Brisbane @ The Tivoli
21-Jun – Sydney @ Enmore Theatre
25-Jun – Melbourne @ The Forum
28-Jun – Auckalnd @ The Powerstation

As a non-fan, I like the TT radio edit, and will buy it when it is available.
It will be the first song from Kris that I have ever downloaded.

It will be interesting to see if part of Jive’s thinking is to use Train to help market Kris worldwide? If Train can tour overseas, Kris would be a good opening act. I personally would have liked AWM as the first single, but I do think Jive is looking at the big picture in regards to Kris’s career. I don’t know Kris’s tour schedule, but Train will be in Japan and Australia over the summer.

20-Jun – Tokyo, Japan @ Duo
20-Jun – Brisbane @ The Tivoli
21-Jun – Sydney @ Enmore Theatre
25-Jun – Melbourne @ The Forum
28-Jun – Auckalnd @ The Powerstation

I would absolutely love that scenario Undercook- but if that’s this year I doubt it as neither Kris’s album or album LLWD have been released here in Australia. Maybe they were waiting to sort out the 2nd single as distributors here say they were waiting on the publishers to release the album. Also selfishly I will OS on 21st June .

I am actually heartened by the fact of so many “non fans” coming here to say they will buy the new single when it is released[ I hope that is true] This is what is important to reach others that aren’t fans now.

It’s interesting visiting krisallenofficial to read the comments about this. I recognize a lot of the very articulate comments as being people from here. I really don’t like the new version of TT, but I also really hope it works for him.

Here’s the interview with EW I mentioned yesterday where Kris says “it took some convincing” for him to put TT on the album but he thinks it’s a “great, great song” and then they talk about a potential video for it(part 6). Make of that what you will. I’m sure Slezak will ask him about it:
http://popwatch.ew.com/2009/11/19/kris-allen-making-of-self-titled-debut/

I just found out that Train’s “Soul Sister” is Number 1 here in Australia this week [ Train was huge here after Drops Of Jupiter], so if this is Jive’s strategy to help Kris launch overseas with this connection then I am very happy about that. The more this goes on the more positives I see for Kris !1

Thanks fanaround for the link. I have no idea why I haven’t seen this interview yet.

Kevin424, yeah it’s a great interview. It’s interesting to me that the only song that he is hesitant about on the whole album is TT, while he talks about others that he really pushed for. But then he was being very introspective in this interview so it really may be that he was concerned about doing it justice as he seems to imply. I definitely think his vocal did on the original. I hate the remix, but maybe they’ll clean it up.

fanaround, yeah great interview. Slezak really is a good AI interviewer. I’m assuming that they’ll clean up the version they’ll be releasing coz the streaming one is still kinda rough. Based on the interview, I did get the impression that he was hesitant because it was such a great song and not really because he didn’t like the song. He also said Pat had a great voice so maybe we’re just not hearing it coz we already know how great Kris sang it originally and we’re definitely biased. Haha. I’m hoping this really does well. I can also imagine the video already. I enjoy songs have a story to tell and there is definitely a great story in the lyrics of The Truth and the video should be awesome if they are able to portray that story.

Most Kris fans were hoping for AWM or BWCU, some even wanted WAOMF, but from the beginning we all speculated about The Truth. When the album came out, along with LLWD & Heartless, TT was the most downloaded song on itunes. One of the earliest official online ads for the album had singled out TT (including The Truth, kinda crap). Then, Kris let it slip in his TT intro at the Orlando Jingleball concert. We kinda knew it’s gonna be The Truth but hoped it wouldn’t.

I would have preferred the original TT but whatever – what’s done is done. I’m not all gloom & doom about it. I think the song does have a real shot at doing pretty well on HAC & even crossover to POP. I know Kris will promote this song the way he did LLWD, do as many radio affiliated concerts as possible & get the word out there. I know he’s gonna put on a great show on Idol, which should get the ball rolling…

The fact that JIVE chose to release the radio edit version of this song instead of the original gives me hope. There are going after singles not album sales. If this song even reaches close to a gold status or even does just decently on the radio, Kris is gonna get another single.

I, for one, am one of those few fans who really love The Truth and am excited that it’s the next single. It is my favorite song off the album. I do think that Jive knows what it’s doing. The addition of Pat’s vocals, whether or not you like it (I don’t), shows that Jive is trying to make this as close to a sure thing as possible. I personally think that this song can do really well. I’m really excited to hear Kris sing this song live on TV, especially on Idol. Kris is loved by his fans coz of his connection to a song and the way he portrays his emotion in his performances when he sings. I think The Truth is the best song off his album to show this. When he sings The Truth live, it’s just gut-wrenchingly beautiful.

Just because something is “biggest in the world” does not mean it is good. The song is crappy and Pat Monahan voice is crappier. Plus, their album is not biggest in the world because it is full of other crappy songs.

So how does them having other hit song helps Kris?

Because a lot of the time it’s not what you know it’s who you know?

Seriously. If I thought that the “best” songs or even the most “radio friendly” songs were always or even usually the songs that radio most picks up and runs with, I wouldn’t say this. But whose network somebody is in and whether they have enough “buzz” of the right kind or not must surely have quite a bit to do with it, in my opinion.

So maybe that’s what they’re banking on in this instance. (Maybe not, too, of course. But I don’t see a whole lot of evidence that directly points against this theory.)

I like The Truth, and it seems to me as if it could be a go on HAC. So if they saw a chance to pick a song that was both good/HAC-friendly *and* could link Kris’s name up in people’s minds with somebody who’s a big hot success, I think that’d be ample reason for them to agree to push this song, rather than another.

I love Train and think they are riding a big wave right now. Between their fans and Kris’s the song should go gangbusters. Kris did really well with his first single and TPTB wanted to make sure the next one matched or surpassed IMO.

As a Kris fan I was really hoping for a Kris co-write as the second single. So that is my biggest problem with ‘The Truth’ being chosen. However, I know that deals get made and probably one of those deals when Pat Monahan pitched the song to Kris’ label was probably that it would be a single.

I like ‘The Truth’ and I think Kris and Pat’s writing styles are complementary. I also think Kris Allen Band and Train are complementary acts. I like a LOT of what Train has put out. I LOVE all that Kris has put out.

I like the radio edit for the most part. It needed to be shorter since it was a too long song. I do not like Pat singing the bridge since it changes the emotion of the song. I would much prefer Kris only or Kris and Pat singing in concert on that. I’m going to hope that the abrupt ending we hear is just a streaming cut to discourage ripping and the actual song we will hear has a better ending.

Putting the pieces together, I’m going to place my bet that Kris will be going to Australia, New Zealand, and Japan to open for Train and probably various dates with them in the US for his tour. Kris recently did an interview in New Zealand and they were begging him to do a concert there. Kris also name checked Australia as the country he’d most like to visit that he hasn’t been to.

My vision for a MV of this would be two men, one younger and one older, juxtaposed going through an ending relationship with their significant others (girlfriend/wife/favorite pet). Or Kris and his band can be shown doing this in concert or at a bar that older man (Pat) visits and heads back home singing along with his lightbulb moment. Pat is packing it in and you see him singing at home and Kris still singing at the concert.

I’ll buy it because I support Kris. I don’t have to be happy about it and I do hope that it does great in sales and on radio.

When the album came out, along with LLWD & Heartless, TT was the most downloaded song on itunes.

I remember this. Good point!
If Pat’s name brings about more people to download it, ok with me.
I don’t know Train (except for HSS), are Train’s fans liking the bridge?

TwigLA, I like your first suggestion for the music video. I’d like it if both Kris and Pat acted out their parts in the video. I can already imagine it. haha. But the problem is, will Pat actually take part in the video? I’m thinking of what happened to the Taylor Swift/Boys Like Girls collaboration Two is Better Than One where in the video Taylor was completely absent. LOL

TwigLA oohh I like your creative side very much this morning! If your intent was to make one imagine well you accomplished it very nicely!

My disappointment (for several reasons not just the new single) is with the decision makers, whoever they are, never with Kris! I’m in this for the long haul as a fan who simply adores Kris no matter what!

I have a strong feeling that Jive put the song out there on KAO so all the angst, anger, disappointment, and plain old dissatifaction in general, could be voiced and vented in a controlled environment. They’ve experienced it all before with the David Archuletta 2nd single song choice. It’s almost like Kubler-Ross’s stages of dying. I think most of the fans are in the acceptance stage now. I, for one, am feeling more optimistic about the collaboration. Again, fingers crossed.

I put some new show dates for Kris up in the headline section.

Yea it’s really nice are tweeter today people are ready to move on and accept it and support Kris like crazy. I the new show dates are making tweeter very happy.

evanjane:
04/26/2010 at 11:51 am
I have a strong feeling that Jive put the song out there on KAO so all the angst, anger, disappointment, and plain old dissatifaction in general, could be voiced and vented in a controlled environment. They’ve experienced it all before with the David Archuletta 2nd single song choice. It’s almost like Kubler-Ross’s stages of dying. I think most of the fans are in the acceptance stage now. I, for one, am feeling more optimistic about the collaboration. Again, fingers crossed.

Great observation. I hope Kris isn’t too traumatized by all of the negative reaction, and realizes that we will support him no matter what. It is a great song, and even with the weird bridge, he sells it so well, and I’m feeling quite a bit more optimistic now, too.

Edit: sorry for the block quote fail.

Ok the only way that Jive can redeem itself now is to shoot a nice music video (I expect something like Adele’s “Chasing Pavements” video which is classy and has a nice story behind) and to present a platinum plaque to Kris during his finale performance (which he can use to stick it to the judges’s faces).

I really wish he’d gotten the chance to perform LLWD on a national stage when it was at its peak, so that more people could have associated him with that song, so we could have dispelled some of the theories about his music.

I wouldn’t worry a lot about it. He performed it on Letterman, on that dancing show, a few other talk shows, plus at Jingle Balls and other concerts all over the country (and Asia) for the past six or seven months, and it sold platinum plus. I think by now plenty of people have associated him with that song.

Wow, Jive does not have faith in their talent. First, they screwed up with Allison Iraheta. Now this. I think “Before We Come Undone” is a terrific pop song that would sound great on the radio. That should’ve been the second single. And then to add insult to injury, they have the guy from Train singing the bridge? I mean c’mon?! The original was good by itself, although it’s no BWCU. Wow, if I were an Idol finalist, I would NOT want to be signed under Jive.

here’s a TT bridge mash-up (or why should have Kris sung it)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VijKZWy1vIc

if the song works out well in sales, we’ll all forget our grief but if not, we’ll talk for a while about BWCU/AWM

I’m an Adam fan but I’ve always liked Kris and bought a couple of his itunes during last season but that was about it. Wasn’t a big fan of LLWD at first but it does grow on you. Have to say though – I actually LOVE The Truth. It’s the first single I’ve purchased from his album. I do prefer the version with only his voice so that’s the one I bought but I don’t think the other one is bad in any way. I wish him the best on the release of The Truth and hope it sells as well as I think it will.