American Idol Kris Allen - Miami Tailgate Party

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3rd Update: FULL versions of: “Hit Me Baby One More Time”, “Live Like We’re Dying”, “Before We Come Undone”, Can’t Stay Away,” and “Written All Over My Face” are posted after the jump.

I’m digging these new songs! “Can’t Stay Away” and “Written All Over My Face” are both great pop songs with a groove. Me likey

2nd: Update: The full videos are coming in.   I just added “Live Like We’re Dying” .   Awesome photobucket photos HERE.

Kris’s Band:

Andrew – Lead Guitar
Chris Torres – Bass
Ryland Steen – Drummer
Cale Mills – Guitar/Keyboards

VIDEOS AFTER THE JUMP!!!

Live Like We’re Dying

via ALoveRestrained

Baby Hit Me One More Time

via pinkforgirls67

Can’t Stay Away

via ALoveRestrained

Before We Come Undone

Written All Over My Face

by ALoveRestrained

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  • karenc

    Is this going to be on tv?

  • gingerly

    I can’t stand live feeds. Hopefully there will be videos on Youtube. I’m holding out for that. I tried and couldn’t last long. I don’t think it will be on TV. It may make a newscast later, but I think that’s about it.

  • http://www.irish-wolfhounds.com Buderschnookie

    Crappin’ popups again!

  • wordnerdarchie

    I’ve watched short vids of Kris’s 3 songs so far. He did LLWD, then a new song, now Britney’s “Baby, Baby….”

    http://qik.com/video/3332075

  • Mtlfan

    listened to the 2nd song, seems to be the funky one. Love the feel of it. Beack to listening..

  • alaadam

    liked the beat of the second song ALOT! I thought the Britney thing was just a request by the girls at that high school for that one occasion b/c of a question bout what he sang in the shower-it was spontaneous, yada, yada, yada. THis is the third time he has done it so has he added to his set list permanently?

  • ross

    So is the stream live? Doesn’t seem like it.

  • ilovekrisallen39

    No just little snippets of each song.

  • girlygirl

    The livestream was pretty much a fail, but at least it provided short videos of some of the songs. Kris sounded great. And it looks like he has a female bass player? Cool!

  • colette

    Hey Ross? What’s shakin’?

    the stream was sorta live, sorta on delay, and on my computer it was very fuzzy and the sound was crap. think I’ll wait for a (good I hope) fan video…

  • luvadamlambert

    really like the 2 nd song….

  • girlygirl

    Lots of pictures on this person’s twitter

    http://twitter.com/happy_1225

  • MusicAlltheTime

    looks like he has a female bass player?

    Is the bass player a woman? Or a guy with long hair. I couldn’t tell.

    Has anyone figured out who the band members are yet?

  • TwigLA

    Gahh, a bit late. The clips on the stream are pretty short and sound not the best (usual for these streams) … but I’m looking forward to getting the album. Really funky rock vibe to one of the songs and I’m loving what I heard.

    He ends the set with ‘Hit Me Baby’ :)

    Thanks to the person who posted the link.

  • jersey

    I really liked the sound of the second song he did. I hope there will be better video of it up later. I also think, given that the AI fanbase is mostly women, adding the Britney song to the set on a regular basis is a good idea. It makes for an easy sing-a-long song to get the crowd involved.

  • BeckyMD

    like the second song better than LLWD. like those beats. could be a pop hit.

  • wordnerdarchie

    Wow, I just realized I missed his first song. So he’s done 4 so far?

    ETA: Anyone know what the first one is? The one before LLWD?

    ETA2: Before We Come Undone – is that the title?

  • ilovekrisallen39

    It seems like people that were there like Before we come undone the best.

  • ross

    Hey, collette! And all you guys!

    I think the bass player is probably not a woman. Isn’t it the guy people were talking about a couple of weeks ago…Chris was his first name.

    Hey, that crowd really was screaming for Kris!

  • cookcricket

    girlygirl
    October 25, 2009 at 3:43 pm

    The livestream was pretty much a fail, but at least it provided short videos of some of the songs. Kris sounded great. And it looks like he has a female bass player? Cool!

    I thought this too! Hard to tell for sure so far away.

    I hope videos are forthcoming, especially for the 2nd song from the album. “Can’t Stay Away”? It sounded great from the little bit I heard!

  • ross

    Chris Torres.

  • BeckyMD

    how many songs a tailgate concert has? 8-10? Kris may have more covers to come today.

  • Truthiness

    I really like the clip of “Can’t Stay Away,” from Kris. As I said in the headlines thread, very good news to me that the song whose description and producers made me think I’d like it, that I heard the song and did!

    It’s so much better than LLWD, in my opinion. I can’t wait to hear the whole song, and now all the rest of his new songs. Yay!

    Edited for clarity about which song I was talking about.
    As for doing the Hit Me Baby thing now…well he got some positive reactions for it, so now he’s added it to his playlist for now. Makes sense to me.

  • jersey

    Just 4 or 5 songs, Becky. There are other performers and the game will start soon.

  • cookcricket

    Was “Before We Come Undone” the first song he sang?

    ETA: btw, girlygirl thank you for the link, it was just great to hear the little bits that were posted!

  • Mtlfan

    Was “Before we come undone ” in a video at this link?

  • TwigLA

    I asked someone in the chat if that was a female on guitar. They said no, it’s a guy with long hair. I thought it would be GREAT to have a female base player, but I’ll live. :)

    Kris looked very very happy in those pics. I’m glad for him. I’m also feeling very good about his album and can’t wait for it to arrive.

  • girlygirl

    From the little I saw, Before We Come Undone and Can’t Stay Away sound really good. Didn’t see Written All Over My Face.

    The Britney song is always fun.

    Hope get some videos of the full songs up on YouTube!

  • jersey

    I think he sang two new songs. “Before We Come Undone” and “Can’t Stay Away” (I think that was the name).

    ETA: So three new songs then, girlygirl?

  • alaadam

    Which one was the second song that had the good beat? Before We Come Undone? How do we hear the other one?

  • luvadamlambert

    did he only do 3 songs? all I saw was llwd ,something new and the Britney song….

  • cookcricket

    I watched a clip for (I think) “Can’t Stay Away”, that was posted after LLWD and that was the one with the great beat, at least I thought so…:D

  • ross

    Kris is an exciting singer. Those new tunes sucked me in right away. I’m hooked, need to hear more.

    Here’s a Chris Torres link with some pics.

  • BeckyMD

    I don’t know which is which, I like one of the two new songs (the one with good beats), but not so much the other one.

  • luvadamlambert

    is it over?

  • alaadam

    Can someone post them?

  • MusicAlltheTime

    btw, girlygirl thank you for the link, it was just great to hear the little bits that were posted!

    Yeah, thanks girlygirl!!

  • Mtlfan

    alaadam, i think the 2nd song is “Can’t Stay Away’ 

  • luvadamlambert

    is there a link for the 2nd new song? I didn’t see it ….

  • Truthiness

    Okay, heard both clips now, like “Can’t Stay Away,” more than the “Before We Come Undone,” from what I heard, but I like them both. And soooo much more than LLWD.

    Phew! this is a relieved Kris fan here. This really upped my excitement about his upcoming CD.

    Oh and I really want another song to have been his first single, if even these crappy quality of clips show to me at least, that Kris is going to have much better songs on his album. Stupid 19Evil strikes again, I want to kick them.

  • Mtlfan

    I have do have good videos now..

  • alaadam

    I usually find Kris nice but boring as a singer but that second song actually sparked an interest.

  • girlygirl

    I think Can’t Stay Away and Before We Come Undone are both better than LLWD (and I actually like LLWD). I wonder if these weren’t written by the time they had to release his 1st single?

    After hearing these today, I’m feeling even better about Kris’ album…

  • ilovekrisallen39

    I saw 5 from that website. You just have to look for it.

  • Mtlfan

    luadamlambert, i think it’s this one http://qik.com/video/3332075

  • jersey

    Well to be fair to evil 19 (as much as it pains me to come to their defense), they wanted to get a single out and LLWD was written, ready, and recorded. With Kris co-writing a lot of the other songs up until one week ago, it would have been hard to choose one of those for the first single.

  • girlygirl

    should find all the short videos of Kris’ performances today here. (may have to scroll down on page)

    http://qik.com/aloverestrained

  • luvadamlambert

    I think llwd is still my favorite…

  • MusicAlltheTime

    Here’s a Chris Torres link with some pics.

    I like his funky bass a lot.

  • Mtlfan

    i love Kris musical tastes. I knew i was in for a treat! just want to see now quality videos of all this. Yeah!!!

  • luvadamlambert

    thanks ilovekrisallen39,mtlfan and girlygirl!!!!!! :)

  • tripp_ncwy

    Did anyone else notice Kris and his band made Hit Me Baby a little more funky?

  • ilovekrisallen39

    Someone said they redid it alittle differently.

  • ross

    I love LLWD. I can’t tell yet about these other songs but they sound good from the little bits we’ve heard.

  • lifeisgood

    I’m loving what I can hear from these garbly vids – cannot wait for his CD! :)

  • smartcookie

    I want better video of the new songs. Fingers crossed somebody comes up with it sometime soon!

    But he sounds pretty good and very confident with these new pieces, so I think we’re getting a good glimpse of what he’ll be doing for the Jingle Balls. I hope he includes Heartless and Falling Slowly, as well.

  • alaadam

    Looked at all of them. Really liked Can’t Stay Away. The others were just ok to me. But, I would probably buy CSA.

  • http://krisallenonline.blogspot.com/ kizgold

    Thanks for posting links guys! I am so excited! I agree with most, I like others better than LLWD:)I can’t wait for the album!

  • girlygirl
  • Eileen99

    This makes me even more stoked for the album to come out; I loved the funky feel to Can’t Stay Away, although I liked the other one, too. I’m excited that we’re having this type of stuff from Kris in addition to the heartfelt ballads that he is so good at. Really looking forward to the ballad that Lyndsey Parker described as making females weep openly (!).

    I’m sure better vids will be up post haste. Oh, and I loved the funky Britney song – Kris likely got a really positive crowd reaction in Kentucky when he played those, so keeping them in the set makes sense as it is a song that people would stop to listen to (since they know it), and hopefully like the spin Kris puts on it.

    ETA: OMG I’M SO EXCITED!

  • sunnysider

    Even through the crappy quality of the feed, I still love Before We Come Undone and Can’t Stay Away. I think Lyndsey Parker was right and Can’t Stay Away has huge potential to be a hit single.

    I think Kris sang a third new song that wasn’t caught by the livestream. Hopefully, there will be video later.

  • ilovekrisallen39

    Someone on twitter said that someone that was at the tailgate just left and has HD pictures and video and well be downloading later.

  • Mtlfan

    love Before We Come Undone and Can’t Stay Away. Potential hits for me.
    I’M SO EXCITED BY THIS ALBUM!!

  • birchtree

    OK. I am hanging out here till those videos are up!! I love Kris’ music.

  • vanjess38

    Yup Eileen99,
    He really got good reviews from the online media for the Britney song and when I found out they had posted it on his official site, I realised there was something in the cooking. Also, Britney being on the same label with him, may be easier since they might not ned any clearance.
    That 1:35 mins has over 130,000 views already just after a week and the comments were positive.

  • MusicAlltheTime

    I’m kinda going crazy waiting for videos.

  • cookcricket

    So does it look like there are three others and Kris in the band? Drummer, bass, guitarist/keyboardist (Cale)?

  • Lynne

    I can’t tell much because the sound on my computer is so bad and distorted. I will be looking forward to seeing the HD video later.

  • windmills

    Can’t Stay Away sounds very promising and very Kris. Before We Come Undone is catchy but sounds like a Daughtry song. I’m sure the lyrics will make a difference.

  • MusicAlltheTime

    Anybody know anything else about the other band members? It looks like there’s another guitarist besides Cale who also plays keyboards? And a drummer who I couldn’t see in the videoclips.

  • ilovekrisallen39

    Written all over your face was the other one.

  • Mtlfan

    Someone on twitter said that someone that was at the tailgate just left and has HD pictures and video and well be downloading later.

    hope this person is not attending the game and will post very soon. Did they have to have a game ticket to attend this?

  • snlw

    I love what I’ve heard so far and keep playing them on repeat and they sounds even better the more I hear it. Can’t wait for the full and better vids though!

  • ross

    Looks like a five-guy band to me.

  • ilovekrisallen39

    Am not sure I didn’t get to read the guy that was there tweet because it’s one of those that you have to be a member to get on. The other tweeter belongs to the board. I heard someone on tweeter last night that said that part was free.

  • Eileen99

    Ross: I love LLWD, too!

    The person who is uploading vids is from ONTD_AI – I’m sure she will be hurrying home and knows everyone is waiting, LOL. She tweeted she’s hurrying.

  • Mtlfan

    The person who is uploading vids is from ONTD_AI ‘“ I’m sure she will be hurrying home and knows everyone is waiting, LOL. She tweeted she’s hurrying.

    LOL… this is so cool

  • Krisfan84

    If this is any indication of what his album will be like, then we are in for a treat! He is awesome and I loved all the songs so far!

  • Seeker

    “Ross: I love LLWD, too! ”

    You know I love LLWD too.. though it’s such a catchy song… it just didn’t show case Kris’s singing ability… his ability to injest pure raw emotion into songs.

    ‘Before We Come Undone’ sounded soo beautiful… right up his alley!
    ‘Can’t Stay Away’ Love the funky/r&b/rock vibe LOVE LOVE LOVE

    It’s been a while since I’ve been soo excited about an ALBUM!

  • colette

    sorry, I know it’s a little diversion — but on the FEMALE BASS subject — there was one who played on many, many, many albums (producer Quincy Jones loved her).

    She is Carol Kaye, and here’s an NPR interview with her (use link to download):

    http://www.npr.org/programs/morning/features/2000/jun/000616.kaye.html

  • Seeker

    snlw

    I love what I’ve heard so far and keep playing them on repeat and they sounds even better the more I hear it.

    100 % IA!!!!

  • KenzTK

    I love both songs from what I hear! “Can’t Stay Away” sounds like a Maroon 5 song. He even holds the mic stand like Adam Levine does.

  • girlygirl

    Kris has brought the Dolphins good luck. They’re up 14-3 on the undefeated Saints!

  • girlygirl

    arabellahope

    #In cab. Headed to train. Um. He was sweaty and tiny and i talked to him calmly idek how and cale hugged me too and ahh slash on stage
    half a minute ago from txt

  • ross

    You know I love LLWD too.. though it’s such a catchy song’ ¦ it just didn’t show case Kris’s singing ability’ ¦ his ability to injest pure raw emotion into songs.

    lol — past tense. Last time I checked, it’s still his single. But that’s an interesting point. I think he does it more emotionally, live, though.
    I didn’t think Before We Become Undone sounded Daughtry-like (whoever said that.) I thought it was more REM-like.

  • Truthiness

    I had forgotten that Lyndsey said that “Can’t Stay Away,” has hit written over it, and I think was the one she was pushing to be his next single. I totally agree with all of that.

    And yeah, so looking forward to seeing the full versions of the songs and the videos!

    Oh and is there even a snippet of “Written All Over Your Face”? I would like to check it out if so :)

  • girlygirl

    this is the ontd_ai person who has the HQ videos:

    yendiders
    Getting home from the stadium now. The show was amazing!!! I have HD pics and vids of everything. :D. I will update u guys laterrr

  • suebrody

    Go, Dolphins! ;) Songs sound good. Is one member of the band Kris’s friend? What about the others?

    I like LLWD, but I don’t think it showcases his voice very well, similar to NoBo (except LLWD is a much better song for Kris than NoBo). Sounds like the other songs on the album will be a better match, tho I’m hoping for a couple of slower songs, since I adored Falling Slowly Which one was Can’t Stay Away? My/bad for not being online during the feed (sorry, had to watch the Patriots game, whom I hope kill the Dolphins in a few weeks, but not today;)).

  • girlygirl

    There was a tweet of Kris introducing his band (I guess??)

    Cale
    Chris
    Andrew Ryeland

  • FifthHouseSun

    Whoa, Kris got de funk Get him out of those plaid shirts more often.

    I’m with Lyndsey Parker on “Can’t Stay Away.” There is some serious potential in that song. Fuzzy audio doesn’t hide “blue-eyed soul” as Parker called it. (even if Kris’s are brown). That was excellent.

    ETA: Clip also on YouTube for those that need that format:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jCETq-BcKu8

  • ross

    Never mind.

  • girlygirl

    SueBrody

    Here’s the short clip of Can’t Stay Away

    http://qik.com/video/3332075

  • jts323

    I AM SO HAPPY!!!! SOUNDS GREAT!!!

  • smartcookie

    I wanna hear the whole album NOW. Lol. So exciting and so much fun!

  • alaadam

    I like the fact that he got out from behind the guitar too in Can’t Stay Away-he showed a little more entertainment moves to me.

  • girlygirl

    This is from the person who did the live stream

    aloverestrained
    Sorry if its been pointed out already, but I’m drivng. There was no girl in the band.

    oops! oh well…

    That Chris person really does like like a woman when lookin at a small video screen. Sorry, Chris!

  • gulfluv

    Woa, I LOVE Can’t Stay Away, well from what I can tell in the short clip! I can’t wait for the album, and that definitely needs to be his next single.

  • girlygirl

    MP3 links. Don’t know what the quality will be like…

    BRITNEY

    http://www.sendspace.com/file/1pi7xe

    BWCU 1

    http://www.sendspace.com/file/5q4xfi

    BWCU 2

    http://www.sendspace.com/file/bd1r3h

    CAN’T STAY AWAY

    http://www.sendspace.com/file/n7ne6w

  • ross

    I count five guys in this band. (Can’t see the drummer, but obvs he’s there.) Confirm, anyone?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jCETq-BcKu8

  • Seeker

    LOL ross… I didn’t even realize I’d done that… I LOVE LLWD —- And It DESERVES to be a HIT! It just wasn’t what I was expecting from his 1st single. It grew on me and now I love it…

    And I agree. I’ve loved every Live Performance of LLWD!

    But With ‘Before We Come Undone’ & ‘Can’t Stay Away’, even with the CRAPPY audio… instant connection! Just Loved them!

    Did someone say BWCUndone has a Daughtry VIBE? WOW! Really ? … I’m sorry but I beg to differ!

  • Mtlfan

    talking about his moves on stage, i think they are gracious and sexy without him doing anything sexy ;)

  • Rub

    suebrody:(sorry, had to watch the Patriots game, whom I hope kill the Dolphins in a few weeks

    Nah, I doubt it. We own the Patriots. there’s always hope though. :p

  • Seeker

    SEXY! Amen!

  • ross

    Did someone say BWCUndone has a Daughtry VIBE? WOW! Really ? ‘ ¦ I’m sorry but I beg to differ!

    Windmills said:

    Can’t Stay Away sounds very promising and very Kris. Before We Come Undone is catchy but sounds like a Daughtry song. I’m sure the lyrics will make a difference.

    I haven’t heard anything today I’d describe as reminding me of Daughtry. (Nothing against Chris, who I like. I just don’t agree with that opinion.)

    Of all the songs, I’m feeling Before We Come Undone the most, right now. But that funk is funkilicious, I gotta say.

    Love that Kris did Britney again.

  • Tess

    You do know that some of these are up on you tube….

  • girlygirl

    YouTube link for (partial) Britney cover. Hopefully this more videos to follow shortly

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CCDPbgeEFoo&feature=player_embedded

  • hwc

    So, is the bass player in the band “controversial” or not?

  • Eileen99

    Haha, speaking of LLWD:

    jambajim Live like we’re dying on z100 right now. Weeeeeeeeee! http://myloc.me/1bIUs3 minutes ago from UberTwitter

  • ross

    Aren’t the videos on YouTube the same as were on the live stream?

  • mzbet

    Tweet from ainow.org:

    AINow High Quality Performance Pics Of @KrisAllen4Real At http://bit.ly/4vNRUg (#idol)

    Pics show 4 in the band, 5 with Kris.

  • snlw

    ross
    October 25, 2009 at 5:30 pm
    “Aren’t the videos on YouTube the same as were on the live stream?”

    I think so too.. :( Need new ones please!

  • babybelle32

    “Can’t Stay Away” sounds like it will be my favorite. The combination of Kris Allen and Mike Elizondo is awesome, and I can’t wait to hear the other songs that the worked on.

    Just based on the short clips, Kris’ vocals sound awesome. I don’t even think some people will be able to recognize him as the guy who was on AI. He sounded good on the show, but he sounds even better now, especially since he’s using his lower register more.

  • ross

    Pics show 4 in the band, 5 with Kris.

    Okay, that’s what I thought. Thanks!

  • Seeker

    ross TIA!

    Chris makes great music and his songs are obviously BIG HITS but some of the hooks are kinda monotone.

    Before We Come Undone was a perfect fit for Kris. He was just pouring his heart out. Great instant emotional connection, with subtle riffs and variations… and loved the quite slowed down ending of the song!

    Can’t Stay Away — THE HOOK! AMAZING !! Still BUZZING in my head! Very catchy!

  • Mtlfan

    So, is the bass player in the band ‘controversial’  or not?

    love your humor hwc

  • girlygirl

    Deluge76

    Just saw @krisallen4real at the Dolphins tailgate. Y’all will love his new songs! Great band. Look for pro footage to follow. Met him.about 1 hour ago from Echofon

    @jolene88 no problem. The Dolphins showed Kris a lot of love. They had a camera on stage. I got some stuff to post when we get home.44 minutes ago from Echofon in reply to jolene88

  • Seeker

    “He sounded good on the show, but he sounds even better now, especially since he’s using his lower register more.”

    His Lower register is one of the sexiest things ever!

  • cookcricket

    OMG! I want more! Love, love both Before We Come Undone and Can’t Stay Away!!!

  • gulfluv

    His Lower register is one of the sexiest things ever!

    I TOTALLY agree with this!

  • Mtlfan

    His Lower register is one of the sexiest things ever!

    OMG I agree 100000%

  • cookcricket

    Okay, 5 (with Kris) in the band. I didn’t see Cale to his right earlier and thought he was the guitar player behind the keyboard at first.

  • CSFan

    I really like the new songs. Kris seemed to be having a great time.

  • tripp_ncwy

    So Kris’s Band seems to consist of;
    Kris Allen – lead vocals/guitar
    Cale Mills – vocals/guitar/keyboards
    Chris Torres – vocals/bass
    Andrew Ryland – vocals/lead guitar?
    ? – drums

  • jts323

    I am in Heaven…that lower register melts me

  • ai_fan

    From what I can hear,these songs are great and I’m even more excited about the album if that’s possible.

    I’m patiently waiting for better videos, well maybe not patiently…

    .

  • Eileen99

    About 5-6 ONTD_AI people are home now and uploading as we speak. Vids should be showing up on You Tube any moment.

  • washpd

    I would guess that Kris is also going to be doing some piano/keyboard for the piano-driven songs, but none of them were featured today.

    I am so excited to hear these in higher quality. Kris sounding amazing. Can’t Stay Away is already my new jam, and I’ve only heard a short garbled version of it!

  • Seeker

    Eileen99 + ONTD_AI ppl – MUAH!!!

  • girlygirl

    Several on the ontd_ai members who went to the concert and took videos are now home and in process of uploading stuff

  • cookcricket

    tripp-ncwy, I don’t that was Cale behind the keyboard, but could be wrong. He’s the lead guitarists I believe…

  • tripp_ncwy

    cookcricket, from what I saw, Cale was behind the keyboard with his guitar. He had on a plaid shirt you can see it clearly in one of the photos. The lead guitarist has on the white shirt standing to Kris’s right with the sunglasses.

    See image #6
    http://www.ainow.org/index.php?option=com_myalbum&Itemid=63&target=%2FStory_Content%2FKris_Miami_Dolphins%2Ftwitpic6.jpg

  • Squirrely

    the mini concert seems to be helping sales – he’s 129 on the itune feed

  • washpd

    I’m generally not a patient person, but waiting for these videos is demonstrating to me just how impatient I truly am. I know it can take a while for crap to upload to youtube, but I’m dying here!

  • Eileen99

    The LLWD music video should be ready later this week, I think? It was filmed 8 days ago ..

  • girlygirl
  • gulfluv

    “cookcricket, from what I saw, Cale was behind the keyboard with his guitar. He had on a plaid shirt you can see it clearly in one of the photos. The lead guitarist has on the white shirt standing to Kris’s right with the sunglasses.”

    Yeah, you are right. I, too, thought the dude in white was Cale at first, but he is in plaid. I’m pretty curious who the other guys are and where they came from.

    Wouldn’t it be funny if sometime in concert when Kris is introducing the band he introduces Cale as “Cosmo’s sexiest bachelor” haha?! I bet Cale’s face would turn beet red. Does anyone know how Cale ended up in Cosmo in the first place?

  • Seeker

    This Day can’t get more EPIC!!!! So now… how many HOT guys are there in Kris Allen’s Band?

  • girlygirl

    The Dolphins just played LLWD on the big video screen during the football game

    HAPPY_1225: Playing llwd on big screen!!!! He is still here – 2 minutes ago from Echofon

  • Eileen99

    NVM, LOL.

  • AllenTX

    This is even worse than Ricky’s cell cast. How can anyone even tell whether he sounded good or not? I can only hear the beats. The bad sound quality makes him sound whiny.

  • girlygirl

    Seeker

    Including Kris I count at least 3 — Kris, Cale and the other guitarist (who was wearing the white shirt today). I haven’t gotten a good look at the drummer yet, and I didn’t find the bass guitarist hot. YMMV, of course

  • gingerly

    I’m holding out for the higher quality videos. I can’t tell if I like the songs or not due to the poor quality. From what I’ve heard so far, I think the band needs lots of practice.

  • suebrody

    I think I like Can’t Stay Away best, too. Nice that LLWD is getting some love.

    Patriots: 5-2 in the division. Just sayin, Rub, lol

    hwc: as always, you SLAY me

  • girlygirl

    Oh Jim!

    jambajim #krisallenisepic but #trafficisnotepic Gahhhhhhhhhhh!5 minutes ago from UberTwitter

    jambajim U know what makes traffic better? The 4 Kris Allen songs I have on my iPod. [Sticks tongue out.]

    jambajim #JIMISATEASE #BUTSOAREALLOFYOU #ICANTWATCHVIDEORIGHTNOW #SOSTOPRUBBINGITIN!3 minutes ago from UberTwitter

  • Seeker

    Yup, girlygirl, I’ve counted three myself… I’m loving all the love he’s getting!!!

    AllenTX… Audio was a 1000 times better than the underwater cellcasts…. And plz do not bring the R name… makes my blood boil!

  • jts323

    This was a great gig…this is mostly non AI viewers…so stoked

  • snlw

    “AllenTX’ ¦ Audio was a 1000 times better than the underwater cellcasts’ ¦. And plz do not bring the R name’ ¦ makes my blood boil!”

    What’s the R name???

  • ross

    What video of LLWD did they play during the game? A video of his performance at the tailgate party, I assume?

  • girlygirl
  • ross

    It wasn’t the video, was it?

  • cookcricket

    tripp_ncwy

    You’re right. I didn’t see that picture. Oops…

  • Seeker

    snlw

    R = the guy who called Kris Allen’s Album a “mess” and “embarrasement”. Wow! What a liar! – Not taking his name or his site’s.

  • Seeker

    “It wasn’t the video, was it?”

    OMG – My heart Brain might just explode!!!!

  • ross

    The “R” word. *hisses*

  • Seeker

    jambajim I got confirmation from a certain someone that my fave song WILL be released. Be patient! Also, Archie “Xmas Sweaters” vid coming tomorrow!!
    11 minutes ago from UberTwitter

    jambajim Haha sorry kids. I will share when I’m allowed… Early November the latest. Until then we can play hangman! ____ ___ _____. (Not really)
    19 minutes ago from UberTwitter

    I love THIS GUY!

  • jersey

    Those photobucket pictures were cute. LOL at the girls wanting their pictures taken with Cale, too. Kris was a sweaty mess by the end of the set!

  • girlygirl

    Evidently the song of Kris’ that Jim C loves but didn’t make the album cut will get released?

    @jambajim I got confirmation from a certain someone that my fave song WILL be released. Be patient! Also, Archie “Xmas Sweaters” vid coming tomorrow!!

  • girlygirl
  • Seeker

    jambajim Can’t Stay Away sounds like it will be my karaoke jam within 6 months. Release that ish as single #2, @KrisAllen4Real #krisallenisepic
    less than a minute ago from web

  • cookcricket

    and I didn’t find the bass guitarist hot. YMMV, of course

    LOL, I personally think the base player is kinda hot! Uh oh, controversy about the base player!!! j/k of course. :D But, yeah kinda hot imo. I’ll have to check his link again.

  • windmills

    Did someone say BWCUndone has a Daughtry VIBE? WOW! Really ? ‘ ¦ I’m sorry but I beg to differ!

    I did. I thought it sounded like Daughtry rock-pop, Feels Like Tonight-ish. Catchy and a hit but it didn’t sound as much like what I prefer from Kris. But that was based on garbled audio. I could change my mind and I’m sure people’s opinions will differ.

  • Seeker

    Awwwwwwww Jim…. I love your love for Kris Allen!

  • cookbunny

    Someone upthread mentioned Kris must have been good luck to Miami.

    All I can say is NOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!! Come on Saints!

    Look Kris, I’m sorry my team beat your team yesterday, okay? Just give the Saints their mojo back!

  • girlygirl
  • 4Msrmyn

    Can’t Stay Away sounds great even though I couldn”t understand most of the words. Got frustrated and guess I’ll just wait on promised vids to hear all. Very happy for Kris Allen. He is so cute!

  • girlygirl

    they had to start a 2nd separate thread on ontd_ai about all this, because they hit the limit (5000 comments) on the 1st one

  • Seeker

    Windmills – I’ve heard BWCU multiple times – not even once does Daughtry come to mind mainly because of the WAY Kris sang the song. The riffs and variations that Kris put in, I feel are very unlike Daughtry. And just the emotion that Kris brought to and out of the song is something Chris does not do as well. (Though don’t get me wrong… I adore Daughtry – ‘Home’ still love it!)

    but then again as you said “But that was based on garbled audio.”

    We both might change our minds with better sound Q.

  • will

    This is even worse than Ricky’s cell cast. How can anyone even tell whether he sounded good or not? I can only hear the beats. The bad sound quality makes him sound whiny.

    ITA. This is a horrible way to be introduced to Kris’ new material, and I’m not even going to listen if higher-quality videos are posted. I’ll wait for the album.

  • haruhi

    It’s hard to listen to the songs because of the bad audio. I’ll defer my take on his songs for now. But I’m glad Kris wasn’t wearing plaid.

  • Tess

    For those who want to know….trivia (and I know this because my nephews business partner was one)

    Cosmos bachelors: There is a section in Cosmo (used to be mail in, but I bet its email now) where you can nominate someone for the title. You have to send in information and a picture. Then, of course, the staff sifts through the entries and contacts the guy and asks if they would like to be considered. And then they are sent to a photag who does a shoot, and if it passes muster and looks good they print it. In my day….oh so long ago, they used to do big spread in their magazine highlighting one from each state…and they have always done a bachelor of the month.

  • Seeker

    “they had to start a 2nd separate thread on ontd_ai about all this, because they hit the limit (5000 comments) on the 1st one”

    Alas on a locked post…. Would’ve loved to get in on it (Wow, I feel like one of those kids…. u know, the unwanted ones.)

  • cookcricket

    LLWD sounded really good!! I hope the song that Jim is referring to is an extra track, that’s cool! I also hope it’s the Mat Kearney collab.

  • ilovekrisallen39

    I feel the same way seeker.

  • Tess

    Hopefully AOL or Yahoo music will have the real songs for play this week. the snippets (sound wise) were terrible and not worth the listen….couldn’t tell anything from them. I’ll wait for the sound bites.

  • Seeker

    “not worth the listen”

    …………..!!??!!?? …………………..Really?

  • girlygirl
  • Seeker

    full version Hit Me Baby’ ¦

    *DEAD*

  • jersey

    Yikes! There was a ton of wind noise on the “Hit Me Baby” vid. Hopefully the songs off of Kris’ cd will have less background noise. LLWD seemed better.

  • girlygirl

    I’m really impressed with how tight the band sounds. They’ve only been rehearsing for a couple of weeks, I think.

  • evanjane

    I’m loving Can’t Stay Away. Very, very cool. I love how he got so into it, no guitar and nice moves. I love to dance and this song will make people do just that. Even on the crappy feed, his vocals sounded fantastic and the band seems really, really tight. I am so EFFIN’ impressed with just this one listen. It’s only going to be a million times more epic with better quality vids. He’s surpassing all my expectations.

    I’m very, very pleased.

  • cookcricket

    Me thinks the peeps who got vids are being teases! We want the new stuff! LOL!

    Hit Me Baby was so fun!!! Loved it! So good!!! Woot!

  • ross

    Yikes! There was a ton of wind noise on the ‘Hit Me Baby’  vid. Hopefully the songs off of Kris’ cd will have less background noise.

    Yes, hopefully. lol. I think that’s a good bet.

  • sunnysider

    I love the arrangement on Hit Me Baby One More Time. Kris has this magic power to make crappy songs (Heartless, HMBOMT) sound amazing.

  • birchtree

    full version Hit Me Baby’ ¦ vid

    That was fun. And it is so easy to see that it’s fun for Kris too. Happy stuff. And I really like it.

  • jersey

    LOL, I meant the vids of them from the tailgate show. I guess it did sound like I meant on the cd, didn’t it?

  • cookcricket

    You’re right girlygirl they’re siiiick! Now I’m going to go p…,lol never mind.

    Really though they sound great! Wow, I want more vids, I want the album, I want to see them live! I feel greedy!

  • Seeker

    LOL, jersey, it did…. Had to read it thrice… was ready with snarky comment ;)

  • http://MJO judes

    I for one think any viewing of a new Kris song is worthwhile – no matter how poor the quality , just to hear what the song is like. I am really impressed with even these poorer cellcasts but the high quality ones are now being processed so not long to wait!!
    Thanks for the HQ LLWD & Hit me Baby[ which i never liked when Britney sang it but Kris adds a whole other dimension to the song!!]
    I like both the new songs but particularly Before We Come Undone as it combines Kris’s mellow tones in the verses with a more upbeat chorus!!
    That’s great that there’s a lot of excitement about this on ontd_ai – pity more of us can’t see it!!

  • carmine2008

    Based on those garbled videos, I’d say I will LOVE his album. Hopefully, there will be more and better quality videos when I get back from work later.

    Is it just me or did he just put a sort of funky vibe to Baby One More Time? Hahaha.

  • MusicAlltheTime

    full version Hit Me Baby’ ¦

    Whoa! The bass player rocks!!

    How come Kris sounds so much better than he ever did on the show?

  • ross

    LOL, I meant the vids of them from the tailgate show. I guess it did sound like I meant on the cd, didn’t it?

    jersey, forgive my snark! :D

  • Seeker

    *Hugs Jude & Jude’s comment*

    The Band is working WELL together… loved how giddy Kris sounded talking about his band with Lyndsey…. Can see why!

  • jersey

    No problem, ross! :-)

  • Seeker

    Awww Kris and Cale…. love how Kris would keep looking and smiling at Cale…. So glad he has a buddy to tour with!!!

  • rayni

    I love that Kris ‘vibe’ – it’s what makes me love his music. A little jazzy funk somethin that owns me! Can’t Stay Away – if it wows like this me with these vids, the real song will be fantastic. And a hit. There – I said it. I believe it.

  • ross

    No problem, ross!

    Hopefully the songs off of Kris’ cd will have less background noise.

    Well, you never know, some of the sound engineers might just be heard having orgasms in the background at the greatness of it all.

    Or not.

  • girlygirl

    Kris dancing? jammin? being adorable? with his guitar player (what’s this dude’s name – Andrew?)

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ru_7xebsEIg&feature=player_embedded

  • girlygirl

    Another partial video of Before We Come Undone. The sound quality isn’t great because this person was standing right by the speakers…

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MpFRFgjDavc&feature=player_embedded

  • Seeker

    Kris…. why are you so unavailable? …. it’s just this one little thing about you that really puts me off. Your unavailableness*. I mean come on!! Can’t you be more… available….. I mean, Why not?!

    *not a real… I’m aware.

  • girlygirl

    if you want MP3 of full version of Baby One More Time

    http://www.sendspace.com/file/nqcwbc

  • girlygirl

    oh yeah – full version of Can’t Stay Away

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ez9DhcnG-SQ

  • washpd

    Full version of Can’t Stay Away:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ez9DhcnG-SQ

  • fanaround

    Love the new songs, especially before we come undone. It looks like they were having a great time! I wondered why they were debuting here, but it looks like the rowdy “land sharks” crowd was a good bet!

  • Seeker

    HAIL girlygirl, the mighty conduit!

  • jersey

    Can’t Stay Away is very catchy! Yay! I love it!

  • ilovekrisallen39

    I love that Can’t Stay Away. It was so Kris kickawesome.

  • girlygirl

    He introduces the band at the end of the Can’t Stay Away video…

  • mzbet

    Can you tell what he says the drummer’s name is? I’ve replayed that video several times and it sounds like either Rod or Rob Evans to me. The rest of them we had figured out, I think.

  • Eileen99

    I think it should be pointed out that these awesome vids coming in right now from WickedJovi on YouTube were taken by aloverestrained at ONTD_AI (who is primarily an Adam fan). She spent her whole day going to this event doing the livestream & taking tons of awesome photos & videos and is still working on uploading all these awesome HQ videos. She did it just for all her friends/Kris fans on ONTD_AI. Aww, thank you aloverestrained!!! She deserves tons of credit!

  • washpd

    The drummer’s name is Ryland.

  • http://MJO judes

    Thanks for the full better quality version of CSA – love the guitar riff at the beginning!!!!

  • mzbet

    So, Ryland is probably his first name. Thanks, washpd. I just couldn’t quite catch it.

  • ilovekrisallen39

    She deserves alot of love that’s for sure.I love Kris and always thought he was a really graet singer. With the band his 100% better. They sound like they’ve been together forever.

  • sunnysider

    I love Can’t Stay Away. Now my only worry is that they’ll overproduce it for the album. It sounds great live. I hope Jive doesn’t screw up the studio version.

  • cookcricket

    YES!!!! “Can’t Stay Away” is ah-maze-ing!!!! Love it!!!

    Okay so, the lead guitarist is Andrew and the drummer is Ryland. Right?

    ETA: Many, many thanks to aloverestrained! If you can, send her our thanks and love Eileen99!!

  • savgal

    Just watched the better quality videos and all I can say is, it was a fantastic first venue for Kris and band, and I’m so impressed with the songs! I am a big Daughtry fan, and saw the vids of their first gig at a smallish club, and honestly think Kris’ debut was more relaxed with a tighter sound. They looked like they were having a ball and how cool that LLWD was played on the big screen during the game. Does that mean it was a feed of the performance from the tailgate party, or was it the single with some other graphics going on????

  • spinastory

    Can’t Stay Away YEP I like it.. I will buy this one!!

  • jersey

    My last post got eaten. Was it the actual music video that they played at half time?

  • Junior

    Ok, wow! I had my reservations about the CD but after hearing a few of these songs I think I might just have to preorder this sucker, and I never do that with an Idol CD. I didn’t even do that with Taylor Hicks, and I was an insane fan that season.

    And I LOVE what he’s done with that Britney song!!! I almost with that version was on the album! I can’t get over how great that was and how much I was diggin’ it. I HATE that song with a passion, but it’s now one of my favorite covers :)

    Great band! Nicely done, Kris!

  • Mary102

    Too bad the sound quality isn’t better – I’m trying to listen to the youtubes, but I guess beggers can’t be choosers.

    ETA: Oh, wait – catching up on thread, and it looks like there may be better quality vids out there. Searching thread for them now :-)

  • jtoms

    from what i can hear from the clips”

    can’t stay away sounds good, but i’m a bit weary just because i don’t prefer the alt-rock kris. i still don’t think his voice is suited for it.

    before we come undone is absolutely gorgeous though. so pretty, and it stays in great register of his voice. can’t wait to hear it stripped down. reminds me of a marc broussard or jonny lang song.

  • ross

    They sound VERY good for their first public performance, and I don’t think they’ve been rehearsing that long, either.

    Love Can’t Stay Away.

  • snlw

    “..looking sexy over there we got Cale…” LOL That’s how he introduced Cale.. So funny and awesome!

  • Seeker

    MUCH LOVE for aloverestrained!!!!!! What a Trooper!!!!

  • Seeker

    Ooooh why is Before We Come Undone getting SCORNED? WHY? I thought the song was Beautiful!

    Oh Of course … Can’t Stay Away FTW!!!

  • Mary102

    Can’t Stay Away is very funky :-) Yeah, Kris bringing out the funk! Melody kinda reminds me a little of “I Don’t Want to Be” – or is it just me…

  • ross

    We Come Undone getting SCORNED? WHY? I thought the song was Beautiful!

    By who? Whom?

  • girlygirl

    HQ video of full version of Before We Come Undone

    Love it

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Py_vVdYq3I8

    oh and here’s the MP3 link

    http://www.sendspace.com/file/977lud

  • Seeker

    The Guitar riffs kinda remind me of Rain Falls down…. Am I Crazy?

  • rayni

    We’re not scorning BWCU, we’re just loving CSA!!! And naming the band. After this first intial rush, we’ll be loving BWCU too. I’m sure.

  • Is786idol

    Before We come Done and Can’t Stay Away are awesome. I can’t wait for Kris’ CD =D…Oh, and how he introduced Cale, I was cracking up. lol Amazing band by the way.

  • eliza

    Can’t Stay Away is very funky :-) Yeah, Kris bringing out the funk! Melody kinda reminds me a little of ‘I Don’t Want to Be’  ‘“ or is it just me’ ¦

    Not just you. It reminds me a lot of that song…not a bad thing, IMO.

    I am in love with Before We Come Undone.

  • Seeker

    “By who? Whom?”

    Well noone was specifically talking about it – Everyone was all “Can’t Stay Away” LALALA… So You know it got scorned by one and all. ;)

    *but not anymore!!! YAY!

  • washpd

    Written All Over My Face

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ZCyyT_89QY

    This is amazing, omg! Another hit.

  • ross

    I love everything I heard today.

  • AllenTX

    I love Can’t Stay Away. Sounds like a Maroon5 song.

    Not too fond of Before We Come Undone. Song itself is not bad, but it feels more suited for Daughtry or Cook.

    Written All Over My Face written by LLWD guys? it sounded like them in the beginning.

  • Seeker

    “I love everything I heard today.”

    Agrees emphatically!

  • ilovekrisallen39

    I love Written All Over My Face. I can really move along to it. I love LLWD but why didn’t they pick one of these songs we heard today.

  • jersey

    I like all the songs! I love “Can’t Stay Away” though.

  • vanjess38

    I’m surprised, pleasantly suprised and I loved everything!

  • Krisfan84

    I love both before we come undone and can’t stay away. Now where is the written all over my face vid?

  • girlygirl

    MP3 for Written All Over My Face

    http://www.mediafire.com/?m1yy2y4gwre

  • girlygirl

    Krisfan84

    Scroll up a few posts in this thread and you’ll see the link

  • jpfan

    Okay, I got some better sound on some of the videos. But it’s still pretty poor.
    From what I’ve heard, I’m not surprised LLWD was the first single. Maybe I’m in a pissy mood but everything sounds kind of beige.

  • https://twitter.com/pmhowden undercooked

    The sound quality is meh, but from what I hear, I think “Can’t Stay Away” could be a big hit for him. I can’t wait to hear it in high quality.

  • Krisfan84

    Thanks girlygirl. This song has a maroon 5ish sound to it. This will be playing when I am on the treadmill at my gym lol. So far I love all of the songs. The ones I have been anxious about were the collab with Mat Kearney,(crossing fingers its a bonus track) Red guitar and Bring it back. I guess all in due time . I am impressed with Kris.

  • ai_fan

    I love “Before We Come Undone”. I actually like it a little better than “Can’t Stay Away”.
    All 5 songs were great – love them. Hit Me BB, too much fun.
    The band – awesome and Cale plays the keyboards too (LLWD).
    Much thanks to ontd_ai.

  • rockvixen

    The songs are alright. nothing special or can be defined as a hit imo.

  • sunnysider

    Wow all these songs are so good. Lyndsey Parker was right (lol – did hell just freeze over?) when she said the album is ridiculously radio friendly and Jive will have a wealth of choice for the 2nd single.

    That said, I like the songs in this order:

    1) Before We Come Undone
    2) Can’t Stay Away
    3) Written All Over My Face
    4) Live Like We’re Dying

    Yeah, I like Live Like We’re Dying but not sure about the choice of it as first single considering I like everything else more. Also, based on the songs we have so far, I like songs co-written by Kris more than songs not written by him.

    I still think Can’t Stay Away should be the next single. It has that I-must-download-this-now! feel to it.

  • Soberba

    That was just bland and boring. Kris just sounds bland and boring, his vocals are always the same, like he is singing the same song, and they all sound like the same song to me.

    Edit by the poster: I didn’t mean the start fan warring, so I edited my post to not mention Adam.

  • ross

    Maybe I’m in a pissy mood but everything sounds kind of beige.

    Not plaid? Well, at least that’s a switch.

  • jersey

    LOL, ross.

  • rayni

    Ross, LOL.

  • Mtlfan

    just came back and listen to all the new songs… OMG! .. love all the new songs. ot to listen better quality before doing final ranking but as of now it’s:
    1) Can’t Stay Away
    2) Before We Come Undone
    3) Live Like We’re Dying
    4) Written All Over My Face

  • ross

    I thought Paula was here for a minute.

  • windmills

    I like Written All Over My Face – IMO Kris sings it with a lot of personality and I like Can’t Stay Away. The higher quality clip of Before We Come Undone didn’t change my mind – IMO it’s catchy and could be a hit but it’s standard issue rock pop which is not how I prefer my Kris music.

    I also like Like Like We’re Dying and of these 4 songs IMO it’s the best at showing the Kris that AIers loved so much. That’s not to say the other 3 songs are worse. I’m just saying that IMO the lead single has to introduce the album but for AIers it’s usually better if it also does something that makes people remember why they liked somebody on AI so much. IMO LLWD does that.

    I prefer Kris singing acoustic soul pop and it seems like the album might not be in that direction but I’m still excited about some of the songs we haven’t heard yet especially Red Guitar, Let It Rain, and Lifetime.

  • Junior

    I agree, sunnysider, I agree this CD has radio single, after radio single, after radio single just waiting to be released.

    Is each one a number 1 single? No, but they’re definitely radio friendly and should be able to get as decent play, if not better, than LLWD.

  • cookcricket

    These are all soooo good! Impressive! “Before We Come Undone” was a little muffles, but I noticed it was a different person than the others doing this vid. Perhaps aloverestrained has one of this one too.

    From what I could tell though, it’s awesome!

  • jpfan

    I like Kris and voted for him. I’m just not overwhelmed by the songs. But the sound quality is crappy so I’ll wait until I hear the finished version to really form an opinion.

  • http://MJO judes

    Sunnysider I agree with you totally. I love the fact that I like the songs Kris wrote the most & we have more to come!! Oh the anticipation!!!

    Yeah well- the fact that the band is so tight & Kris is groovin along so well with them & sounding so good along with the songs being great- can’t say i have the same definition of “bland & boring”!! Its such a joy to see Kris so happy & enjoying performing with this band!!

  • FifthHouseSun

    I love Can’t Stay Away. Now my only worry is that they’ll overproduce it for the album. It sounds great live. I hope Jive doesn’t screw up the studio version.

    Thought this, too, sunnysider. As I really like the song. Kris going funkalicious is hard not to like.

    But with “From U” added as the last words of the title, switch to fake drums, and some change of pronouns, this could be diluted, de-souled, and reverse engineered back to your choice of auto-tuned identical girl poppets on radio today. Just like Kris showed the Britney song had soul, Can’t Stay Away could have a studio soul-ectomy.

    But Lyndsey Parker heard the track and liked it. So hoping they didn’t smoothe out all the joy.

    IMHO, Can’t Stay Away would have made a much more interesting first single. Showed more of Kris’s range. Including song writing. Had a little surprise to it. That my, my didn’t know Kris Allen could do that factor. And appealled to a wider audience. The fanbase is in the bank. Can’t Stay Away would make more new fan deposits in that bank, IMHO, than LLWD. YMMV, naturally.

  • jersey

    No worries, jpfan. You’re allowed! ;-)

  • Tess

    Is the game over…..did LLwd get a nice bump on I-tunes today? Hope so.

  • Krisfan84

    That was just bland and boring. Adam can take a bland and boring song like TFM and make it good. Kris just sounds bland and boring, his vocals are always the same, like he is singing the same song, and they all sound like the same song to me.

    Let’s not start fan waring now. We are enjoying Kris’s music and that comment is unacceptable. If you don’t like Kris why bother watching the vids or commenting? I really don’t understand your logic? Nevermind, I answered my own question.

  • gingerly

    I like the songs. I think the band could use a bit of work. I think that 4 of them singing the chorus sounds a bit muddy. I think the lead guitarist can play but some of what he played, to me, didn’t much fit with the songs. Not bad for their first time out especially considering they’ve had very little time to practice. They just didn’t seem to have much of a defined sound I guess…

    Regardless, I do like the songs and will most likely buy the album.

  • Mtlfan

    FifthHouseSun,

    I agree with you on “Can’t Stay Away”, it’s a stronger single than LLWD but I still love a lot LLWD

  • girlygirl

    Sobera

    Maybe you better check your hearing, because Can’t Stay Away and before We Come Undone sound NOTHING alike. Just the whole vibe of the songs are totally different, one is really funky soul, the other is more alt rock ballad.

  • Eileen99

    MJ, looks like you have the wrong vid embedded for Can’t Stay Away – you’ve gotten Written All Over My Face there. Don’t know if someone already pointed this out or not ….

    I think a better Hit Me Baby will surface to replace the one with a lot of static.

  • girlygirl

    JPFan

    No worries. Not everyone is gonna love these. And the sound quality isn’t great, even on the HQ videos. But I still wouldn’t call them beige. That’s just me though. Hopefully you’ll like them better when you hear better audio of them.

  • Seeker

    God these Adam – Kris comparisons are getting old, guys!

    But Windmills – LLWD can’t even remostly be described as “acoustic soul pop ” so how is it the closest to ALLen on AI.

    I’m sure there are songs in the Album that salute his AI fans but AI followers are limited.

    Honestly speaking, just as songs in general, today’s three were GREAT! They have in my opinion a much wider appeal, than just Kris’s AI fans.

    I thought Kris’s performance today was AWESOME. And the songs FIT him vibewise and vocally. And I think, from the interviews I’ve read, Kris doesn’t like being tied down to a specific genre.

    So I for one am glad he’s trying different sounds.

  • butte009

    Well… These these vids have certainly gotten my attention. I’m looking forward to hear his entire cd. Congrats Kris! :)

  • ai_fan

    Hit me BB with better sound

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yNFvIlWOYzs

    Hopefully, she has all of them and is still uploading- video has alot of sun glare, but the sound is much better.

  • fanofall

    How is everyone hearing Can’t Stay Away? Written All Over My Face is on here twice for me … am I the only one having issues?

  • FifthHouseSun

    Can’t Stay Away with more close-ups. Muffled sound.

    There is another version as well. But YouTube wants me to create an account to view it. Is that some new feature – restrict your video to “members only”? Or just a temporary glitch?

  • rayni

    I love that AIers are such good live singers. Well, except for Pickler and I still love her anyway. Kris did such a good job today.

  • ross

    I think you have to take into consideration that you’ve heard LLWD a lot, now, and have only heard the songs here for a few hours. If some of you guys heard LLWD for the first time today you may have had a different take on it in comparison with the other songs. Remember, most people said they thought it was a great choice for a single when it first came out.

    And I think it is. Right now it’s doing extremely well on radio, and continues to do better each week. So for radio promotion it’s actually the perfect choice, I think.

  • BeckyMD

    my ranking so far:

    1) Can’t Stay Away
    2) Before We Come Undone
    3) LLWD, Written All Over My Face

    Can’t stay away could def be a hit. Maybe it’s not finished by the time to release his first single so that LLWD was chosen.

    Kris Allen the album surely will be radio friendly. I think Jive’s strategy including heavy radio promotion and concert venue selection (high school and football tailgate) are perfect for branding Kris and expanding his fanbase. Except for choosing LLWD as the first single, I’ll say Jive is doing a good job in marketing Kris.

  • Michelle

    Loving the new songs. Before We Come Undone is my fave cause I’m a sap and it sounds all pretty and angsty — Written All Over My Face, I really love the bright sound and the talkiness :) — Can’t Stay Away definitely has a funky vibe and is very catchy.

    I was a little nervous about them debuting the songs live especially w/a new band, but they sounded great, Kris sounded great, and I’m happy with this little sampler from the album — can’t wait to get the cd!

  • Krisfan84

    There is another version as well. But YouTube wants me to create an account to view it. Is that some new feature ‘“ restrict your video to ‘members only’ ? Or just a temporary glitch?

    Fifthousesun sounds like a glitch. I don’t have an acct and I can still watch vids.

  • cookcricket

    jpfan, love you and your honest opinion always! :D

    Can’t Stay Away is definitely my favorite of all of these! I think they’re all great though! Including LLWD! I am very much looking forward to hearing more! I was sold on Kris at the end of the season (bought itunes pass), but now I’m sold on him even more! So very impressed!

  • girlygirl

    LLWD is at #130 on iTunes now. It was at #141 the last time I looked, so maybe the concert gave it a little boost?

  • http://myspace.com/girlgeek mj

    Reminder:

    Deleting defensive posts. Allow posters to have an opinion without getting snippy.

    I’ve been known to put regulars in moderation. So, keep that in mind.

  • Mtlfan

    thanks ai_fan for the other video of BB hit me.
    Love this version more rocky of the song. Kris sounds great on it

  • http://twitter.com/cara_lee pj

    Well, I like them. Not breaking any musical boundries here, but solid songs that are more to my tastes than those of most Idol winners. I’m impressed. Good going, Jive.

    I did catch a bit of a Maroon 5 vibe and that’s never bad. Can’t wait to hear the actual recordings. Carry on!

  • http://myspace.com/girlgeek mj

    Does anybody know the full names of Kris’s band members?

  • windmills

    But Windmills ‘“ LLWD can’t even remostly be described as ‘acoustic soul pop ‘  so how is it the closest to ALLen on AI.

    I think LLWD has a groove to it that reminds of Kris’s most widely regarded AI performances, it isn’t driven by heavy guitars, and the vibe of the song is the quiet and joyful sincerity that made Kris so likable during the show. The thing about Kris is that you just know that he lives his beliefs and he has a way of conveying messages without seeming preachy. That’s what LLWD does too IMO.

    But tbh none of the AIers who want to max sales should cater to me (not that they would anyway). I’m a big Carrie fan and I want her to sing more traditional country because IMO that’s what she does best. But that sure isn’t what would sell best. I want Kelly singing folk music which probably wouldn’t sell great from her right now. I’m not happy about any of the AIers working with Max Martin because I don’t like lots of production layers and I don’t like the whole electro feel he gave Allison and will probably give Adam.

    I prefer rootsier and less produced music at the end of the day whether it’s country, pop, soul, or rock. But that’s not what’s mainstream so I just hope I’ll get bits of it here and there from people I like.

  • happygolucky

    I’m late to the party. I agree that this is an epic day for all Kris fans. Loved all the songs. But because I really liked LLWD, Written All Over My Face was my favorite out of all the songs debuted today. Next one is Before We Come Undone and then Can’t Stay Away. Makes me all the more excited to see Kris on Dec. 1 in Sacramento Jingle Ball. I’m hoping he sings the new version of Heartless at that concert. Great job, KRIS!!!!

  • Eileen99

    MJ:

    Cale Mills – guitar/keyboards
    Chris Torres – bass

    That’s all I know at this point.

  • Cate

    Happy for Kris fans today! Enjoy. However, I’ve got to say:

    GO SAINTS!

    (I’m a Bills fan, so you’ll have to forgive me.)

  • rayni

    And I have to confess that I am really really liking Hit Me…it’s going to be like Cookie in that it appears I will enjoy whatever he sings as long as he Krisifies it.

  • ilovekrisallen39

    One is Ryland I believe

  • Eileen99

    I really like his version of Hit Me as well – it’s very funky, and hope he keeps it in his set!

  • Triskel4

    Okay, guessing and googling, but I think the drummer might be Ryland Steen. Picture here http://b7.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/00957/76/15/957915167_m.jpg

    If so, I am very!! excited. He is (was?) the drummer with Reel Big Fish. Love, love Reel Big Fish. Holy Frijole!

  • Mtlfan

    “written all over my face” is a very good pop song! just love it at the 2nd listening.

  • jmom376

    Wow. Him and the band sound awesome!! It seems like he found some great musicians to play with him! I am so excited to hear the new songs. Thank you to everyone who is posting them. I tried to see if there are any new ones on youtube, but unfortunately someone is spamming Kris’s name with old GMA videos.

  • Eileen99

    Yeah, that’s the drummer – but he has longer hair now. So we’re missing the lead guitar – all I found out is his first name is Andrew.

  • Seeker

    windmills – I love Kris’s BNS – that’s a great album… Have songs on loop on my IPod. I would love Kris doing ANS, his take on SWHFTM, MITM, CT, TMYFML. I even love his completely stripped down version of What’s Going On (which was considered “too small for the BIG occasion”)

    For me what made Kris special on AI was his ability to connect to the message/emotion of the song, yes, but more than that it was his connection to the music – the melodies, the way he subtly molded and changed them. I love his subtle riffs — little changes he made in ANS & TMYFML = MAGIC!

    LLWD – AGAIN I say this I LOVE IT….. Did Kris connect with msg of song. YES! Anyone else singing this song – I wud have hated it. He makes it believeble. But the song, in comparison, lacks melody. The song is UBER catchy but doesn’t completely showcase Kris Allen’s siging ability. He’s capable of much more!

    I think today’s songs in a way showcase that — just that Kris Allen is capable of doing MUCH MORE than what you expect of him – vocally & performance wise…..

    (Ok I don’t even know if i made sense.) Even I love rootsie music but with JIVE…. that just won’t cut it!

  • luvadamlambert

    ohemgeeeeee new Kris songs !!!! brb running to YouTube

  • snlw

    Kris is truly a natural performer. And add me as another one who really loves his version of Hit Me and love all his new songs! Another 3 weeks or so to the album! Can’t wait!

  • alaadam

    Finally heard the full length versions of all of the songs from today. i really liked Can’t Stay Away. Liked it immediately from hearing the small snippets/recordings earlier. Liked it more full length. From the snippets, I thought I might like some of the others but hearing the full length versions, they’re just not my cuppa. I guess liking CSA says a little something about my taste. It was funky and good.

  • luvadamlambert

    i skipped through some of it but I FLOVE waomf

    the other YouTube links for can’t stay away and b4 we come undone don’t work:(

    this is a great day for Kris and his fans (raises hand.heh.)

  • FifthHouseSun

    Triskel4, you could be right. Here’s Kris’s drummer today. Got that same geek chic:

    http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g218/bsblover143/Kris%20Allen%20Dolphins%20Tailgate/P1060336.jpg

  • Trina

    Can we pleeeassee have the studio version of Can’t Stay Away yesterday? I’m only just watching these videos tonight and I cannot get that chorus out of my head. It’s so hard to judge a song fully like this but I have a feeling the studio version is going to be amazing.

  • Mtlfan

    I love the mid-tempo ballad “before we come undone”. Kris sings it with a lot of emotions. Hope we’ll get a video with a clearer and stronger sound

  • suebrody

    I love the way he says, And we’ve got Cale. He is just so cute and enthusiastic. I especially like the way he punches the air with his arm. Pow, pow, pow.

    I like Written All Over My Face the best. I think it’s catchy and I think it plays well with Kris’s lower register. I could definitely hear this on the radio and my singing along with it. I think it would have been a better choice for a first single than LLWD (JMHO). Maybe it wasn’t ready then?

    I like Can’t Stay Away, too, but it sounds a little too predictable for me. And maybe too rocky? WAOMF wins the day for me.

  • tierbee

    Wow, these are great – I am really looking forward this his album. Only got to listen to them in a hurry, will go back and listen again and pick me a favorite…

    Sure looks purty in Miami… jealous. And how come we have to listen to Love Seed Mama Jump at *every* Redskins game? I mean, they are a fine band and all but… I’d like a Kris Allen show better ;)

  • poporange

    TEss-nationally they showed pregame…and also usally sports peeps overall don’t care about who singsthe NA or sings beforehand..
    Kris Allen just something about him musically just not interested in him one bit.No it won’t change sorry…I do not want him to fall..
    BTW outisde the idol bubble -The Saints won —which will be covered by ESPN great deal

  • AnalogGirl

    I think Kris’ voice sounds fantastic in these clips! Love the songs. A stronger rock/electric guitar vibe than I might of expected, but I think it fits him and I love the tone of his voice. I can’t decide yet which I like best; but I think I like em all better than LLWD. Looking forward to November 17!

  • ShariG

    Love Kris! Thanks so much for the videos. I wish they would have played this on national television. It would have been a whole lot more interesting than the football game. He sounds great and I love the new songs.

  • luvadamlambert

    jambajim(what a teaseeeee) tweets:
    jambajim Can’t Stay Away sounds like it will be my karaoke jam within 6 months. Release that ish as single #2, @KrisAllen4Real #krisallenisepic about 4 hours ago
    Previous Tweets
    I got confirmation from a certain someone that my fave song WILL be released. Be patient! Also, Archie “Xmas Sweaters” vid coming tomorrow!! about 4 hours ago
    Haha sorry kids. I will share when I’m allowed… Early November the latest. Until then we can play hangman! ____ ___ _____. (Not really) about 5 hours ago
    #JIMISATEASE #BUTSOAREALLOFYOU #ICANTWATCHVIDEORIGHTNOW #SOSTOPRUBBINGITIN! about 5 hours ago
    While the Allen Nation enjoys live video, I’m grooving to demos of Before We Come Undone, Written All Over My Face and [My Favorite Song]. about 5 hours ago
    U know what makes traffic better? The 4 Kris Allen songs I have on my iPod. [Sticks tongue out.] about 5 hours ago
    #krisallenisepic but #trafficisnotepic Gahhhhhhhhhhh! about 5 hours ago
    Live like we’re dying on z100 right now. Weeeeeeeeee! http://myloc.me/1bIUs about 6 hours ago
    Ugh I’ll be driving back to NYC when @KrisAllen4Real debuts new songs today. Y’all will have to flail w/o me. Break a leg, Kris & Cale etc! about 10 hours ago

  • golcook

    Wow… loved all the songs!! This is exactly the kind of sound I hoped for Kris (more rock and less Mraz-soul) Me likey!!!! A LOT.

    I put all three before LLWD in my liking rank. I love the OHHHHs and AHHHs in all the songs they’re not cheesy at all and give them that Kris vibe.

    Gawd I ´m so happy! I’m so looking forward to it’s realease, can we have it already!!!

    1. Before We Come Undone
    2. Written all Over my Face
    3. Can’t Stay Away
    4. LLWD

    There ´s my rank, but Can’t Stay Away it’s going to be the 2nd single for sure, it’s super catchy.

  • Mtlfan

    Overall not surprised of the direction of this album and it’s going to be GREAT! no bubble gum, generic or sappy songs .. not that i expect those but i was fearing Jive’s input. Of what i heard today they seem to have really back-up what Kris wanted. Yeah!!!!!

  • Mary102

    Ok, my take on the songs:

    Can’t Stay Away ‘“ Definitely has a great funk hook to it, which is surprising, from a Kris song, but definitely not a bad thing! Still reminds me a bit of ‘I Don’t want to be’ , or any number of Maroon 5 songs. Not necessarily a bad thing, that’s just what I thought of when I heard it.

    Before We Come Undone ‘“ every time I hear this name I’m reminded of Duran Duran’s Come Undone. I love that song ‘“ this one, eh, not so much. Not very interesting imo. Doesn’t really go anywhere, a little repetitive near the end.

    Written All Over My Face ‘“ well, it’s up beat, and, well, that’s about it for me. Not really digging it too much ‘“ not quite as hooky as Can’t Stay Away.

    Believe it or not, out of this bunch, I’m thinking LLWD was probably the best choice for a first single (and I liked LLWD from the beginning). But Can’t Stay Away has potential too.

    Then again, I was never much of a Kris fan on the show ‘“ so I wasn’t exactly expecting to be blown over with this. It sounds good, and better than the usual idol stuff, and it definitely reminds me of Kris. I can definitely see that The Killers and Matchbox 20 from the tour were more in line with the direction he wanted to go with the album.

  • luvadamlambert

    love it but not like blown away

  • Mtlfan

    here’s a vid of ‘can’t stay away’ , the last minute missing but there are nice close-up on Kris

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hJyenvlsx7k

  • luvadamlambert

    nvrmnd I FLIVE can’t stay away….

  • vanjess38

    I love WRITTEN ALL OVER MY FACE the best, but love all songs anyway.
    WAOMF has got kinna David Grays BABYLON groove and me likey.

  • mmk28

    Really clear video of CSA: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ez9DhcnG-SQ&feature=channel . The best sound!!!! Check out also his/her other videos. There is everything except “Before we come undone” (unfortunately) I hope we get a better video of that really soon because although I like all the songs I thing that’s my favorite.

  • girlygirl

    Kris has surfaced on twitter

    Krisallen4real

    # Great game tonight in Miami and got to meet Marc Anthony and JLO! Glad you guys like some of the new songs.8 minutes ago from Echofon

  • Mtlfan

    Really clear video of CSA: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ez9DhcnG-SQ&feature=channel . The best sound!!!!

    thanks mmk28, awww he sounds awesome there. flove all the new songs.. :)

  • girlygirl

    LOL – Kris also met Lance Bass, but he didn’t tweet about that. There’s a picture of them talking down on the stadium field over on the ontd_ai thread.

  • babybelle32

    I love all of the new songs, but especially CSA, that song is just awesome. But, the thing that I love the most is Kris’ stage presence. I love seeing comfortable and bouncy Kris, and how he just carried the audience with him through each song. I can’t wait for this album to come out.

  • hoosiermama

    I’m frustrated because I had to listen to these vids very quietly because everyone is asleep here! *Shhh!* Can’t wait to crank up the sound tomorrow. At even low volume, though, I was very impressed with Kris’ new songs. Can’t Stay Away caught my attention the most-love the funky vibe! I also liked seeing Kris put down the guitar, grab the mic and move around a bit. He looked so happy! I was surprised to hear Britney again–was expecting Heartless, but it was still fun at a faster, rockier tempo. I agree with all fans here–can’t wait for the album!!!

    Wasn’t Q3 at the game? Waiting to hear her take on the concert…

  • CathyMK

    I love every one of the new songs. I could tell that Written All Over My Face was the song from The Script as soon as it started, though. I think I like Can’t Stay Away and Before We Come Undone best, but it’s hard to tell with the bad audio on BWCU. I may just have to preorder this album, and scurry around trying to get every bonus and exclusive track, damn it. So much for staying uninvested. The boys with a guitar and slow-burn style always get to me eventually, LOL.

    It’s so much fun to see Kris relaxed and enjoying the performance. Even though he didn’t seem particularly nervous on Idol, I think we’re going to see a whole new side of him as a performer when he gets out on the road with his own band and audiences that are there just to see HIM. Hopefully I’ll be in at least one of those audiences!

  • girlygirl

    someone on twitter has come up with a name for the band:

    yeahcapes88

    # @krisallen4real Btw, do you know that you and your awesome band are officially called C.R.A.C.K now?16 minutes ago from web

    C (Cale) R (Ryland) A (Andrew) C (Chris) K (Kris)

  • happycat14

    Kris doesn’t do much for me, but I took a peek at the vids. I immediately thought LLWD sounded great – I still think this song will be a big hit for him. The other songs sound nice, his band seems tight, and I was impressed Kris stepped away from his guitar for a couple of the songs.

    Happy to see the idols no longer singing their AI songs. They must feel great.

  • Mtlfan

    there is a guy on YT who posted tons of little clips of GMA stuff which is making harder to find Kris performance of today on YT. So annoying to see a glambert trying to kill the buzz

  • Starr

    “Can’t Stay Away” definitely seems like it’s going to be a favorite, and I think there are good chances it will end up as a second single, given how great the reaction is that it’s getting. I love the song and think it shows a funkier sound that Kris hasn’t shown yet.

    I am really loving “Before We Come Undone” – it’s a song that just begs to be featured on the soundtrack of a TV show. I also like the lyrics to this song.

    “Written All Over My Face” is probably my least favorite of the bunch, only because I think it’s a little too wordy, just like “Live Like We’re Dying”.

    Loved the “Hit Me Baby One More Time” performance. Kris was definitely rockin’ it out.

    Overall, I think this is really looking great for his new album. I think Kris made a smart choice by not going the all-acoustic-soul-pop route. Even though I love that side of him, and I’m a huge fan of that genre, it wasn’t the side that would get him the biggest following. I think that from a production standpoint, Mike Elizondo really wanted Kris to get that big, arena sound so he could cement himself in the industry. He can definitely do more experimental stuff later. I have a feeling that slower songs like “Red Guitar” and “I Need to Know” will be a lot more intimate and will please the Kris fans who want the “Ain’t No Sunshine” side of Kris.

  • rockvixen

    Before we Come Undone sounds country – ish.

  • washpd

    Country-ish? Not feeling that AT ALL.

  • Starr

    BeckyMD
    October 25, 2009 at 10:02 pm

    my ranking so far:

    1) Can’t Stay Away
    2) Before We Come Undone
    3) LLWD, Written All Over My Face

    Can’t stay away could def be a hit. Maybe it’s not finished by the time to release his first single so that LLWD was chosen.

    Kris Allen the album surely will be radio friendly. I think Jive’s strategy including heavy radio promotion and concert venue selection (high school and football tailgate) are perfect for branding Kris and expanding his fanbase. Except for choosing LLWD as the first single, I’ll say Jive is doing a good job in marketing Kris.

    I think that Jive actually made a smart choice choosing “Live Like We’re Dying”. I hated the choice initially, but now that I’ve heard it a couple of times and heard people’s reaction to it, it makes me more confident in the direction he is heading in. LLWD sounds familiar to Kris fans because it is definitely not a great departure from the stuff he did on AI, but it’s also a little bit different because of the pacing and the high energy of the song, which would attract those who thought Kris was too low-key on Idol. I think that from what strength it has shown climbing up the charts slowly but surely and being played on the radio that it was a pretty clever decision by Jive management to ease people who are unfamiliar with Kris to his sound.

  • mmk28
  • Finn

    Mtlfan
    October 26, 2009 at 1:23 am
    there is a guy on YT who posted tons of little clips of GMA stuff which is making harder to find Kris performance of today on YT. So annoying to see a glambert trying to kill the buzz

    I don’t understand why someone posting clips would be a ‘Glambert’ trying to kill the buzz. I don’t make the connection.

  • dv

    thanks for all the videos. I love the new songs.

  • Starr

    windmills
    October 25, 2009 at 10:33 pm

    But Windmills ‘“ LLWD can’t even remostly be described as ‘acoustic soul pop ‘  so how is it the closest to ALLen on AI.

    I think LLWD has a groove to it that reminds of Kris’s most widely regarded AI performances, it isn’t driven by heavy guitars, and the vibe of the song is the quiet and joyful sincerity that made Kris so likable during the show. The thing about Kris is that you just know that he lives his beliefs and he has a way of conveying messages without seeming preachy. That’s what LLWD does too IMO.

    But tbh none of the AIers who want to max sales should cater to me (not that they would anyway). I’m a big Carrie fan and I want her to sing more traditional country because IMO that’s what she does best. But that sure isn’t what would sell best. I want Kelly singing folk music which probably wouldn’t sell great from her right now. I’m not happy about any of the AIers working with Max Martin because I don’t like lots of production layers and I don’t like the whole electro feel he gave Allison and will probably give Adam.

    I prefer rootsier and less produced music at the end of the day whether it’s country, pop, soul, or rock. But that’s not what’s mainstream so I just hope I’ll get bits of it here and there from people I like.

    We agree on liking rootsier and less produced music, which is why I really adore Kris’s Brand New Shoes album. I thought the album sounded so mature and soulful for someone who had never put out music before. I feel like Kris is somewhat taking a step back (not negatively) instead of forward here, because Brand New Shoes was a bit more mature-sounding, so in order to cater to a broader base he needs to dial it down a little bit and tweak his sound to be bigger and broader, which I understand, and so I get the sound that Jive has encouraged him to explore here. I think that hardcore Kris fans will appreciate that he is exploring funk and more guitar-driven sounds, and I think that the inclusion of “Red Guitar” to the album is an affirmation that the old Kris can be at home in this new album too.

  • snlw

    Thanks mmk28 for the nice band pic! Kris and Cale are the hotter ones still! :) Need Andrew to remove his sunglasses before giving him a verdict.

  • MusicAlltheTime

    Can’t Stay Away is my new favorite Kris song. I like the others too, but he really gets into singing this one.

    LLWD is still my second fav. It sounds great live.

    Thank you, thank you so much to everyone who took the videos, and everyone who found them and posted them here for us.

  • Starr

    Seeker

    I love Kris’s BNS ‘“ that’s a great album’ ¦ Have songs on loop on my IPod. I would love Kris doing ANS, his take on SWHFTM, MITM, CT, TMYFML. I even love his completely stripped down version of What’s Going On (which was considered ‘too small for the BIG occasion’ )

    My favorite Kris performance on Idol was that stripped-down version of “What’s Going On”. As a huge Marvin Gaye fan I was blown away by what he offered to that song. I expected something grand, on the same level as Adam’s “Change is Gonna Come”, but instead Kris did us one better and gave us a really cool version of that song. Instead of hyping it up with a massive band and soaring vocals, Kris updated the song and gave it even more meaning, with his emphasis on “War is not the answer”. My favorite part was when he says “I got to know what’s going…on” – to me that was DOWN. RIGHT. SOUL. The boy’s definitely got some soul.

  • Starr

    Junior
    October 25, 2009 at 8:53 pm

    Ok, wow! I had my reservations about the CD but after hearing a few of these songs I think I might just have to preorder this sucker, and I never do that with an Idol CD. I didn’t even do that with Taylor Hicks, and I was an insane fan that season.

    And I LOVE what he’s done with that Britney song!!! I almost with that version was on the album! I can’t get over how great that was and how much I was diggin’ it. I HATE that song with a passion, but it’s now one of my favorite covers :)

    Great band! Nicely done, Kris!

    Your post made me smile! Kris wins people over everytime he performs. I wouldn’t be surprised if some football fans did a double take upon hearing some of these songs. I bet they probably expected a pretty low-key set from Kris, but noooo. Bb knows how to turn it up!

    I think that Kris has the ability to get people on his side quickly. My boyfriend hates American Idol with a fiery passion, and I showed him Kris’s version of “Baby One More Time” today and he actually cracked a half-smile. That is the most I have ever seen from him about anything Idol-related! Kris is charming, has a great sense of humor, a stage presence that says he is not afraid to dominate the stage but he’s also approachable…it’s not rocket science why this guy’s the American Idol.

  • jammasta

    Kris is just too damn good. Only thing I haven’t really liked about him lately is his hair. Then again, I’m a guy so it doesn’t really matter. Kris used to have pretty impressive hair though, now it looks kinda dumb lol.

    But Written All Over My Face has a bit of a Wastin’ Time vibe to it. I like Can’t Stay Away and Written All Over My Face (both more than LLWD). I haven’t really heard Before We Come Undone yet. I hope these sound the same on the album.

  • Maria22

    Finn
    October 26, 2009 at 2:00 am
    Mtlfan
    October 26, 2009 at 1:23 am
    there is a guy on YT who posted tons of little clips of GMA stuff which is making harder to find Kris performance of today on YT. So annoying to see a glambert trying to kill the buzz

    I don’t understand why someone posting clips would be a ‘Glambert’ trying to kill the buzz. I don’t make the connection.

    Exactly!! Why would it be a glambert ? they are starting to become the scapegoat for anything bad, are they ? Maybe it was a Scott fan ? Danny fan ? A Kris stan who doesn’t know how to post ?

  • Starr

    I think we should all just ignore people’s attempts at stirring fan wars. Not everyone who disses Kris is a Glambert, and not everyone who disses Adam is a Kris fan. I think that everyone, whether you are an Adam or Kris fan or Matt G or Megan Joy or Allison or Danny or whoever fan, can appreciate that Kris really seemed to have had a blast performing today. Can’t we all just appreciate what he offered today?

    I, for one, am ordering more copies of his album. Listening to these new tracks gives me ideas as to which of my friends would enjoy listening to Kris’s music.

  • snlw

    Starr
    October 26, 2009 at 2:26 am
    “I think we should all just ignore people’s attempts at stirring fan wars. Not everyone who disses Kris is a Glambert, and not everyone who disses Adam is a Kris fan. I think that everyone, whether you are an Adam or Kris fan or Matt G or Megan Joy or Allison or Danny or whoever fan, can appreciate that Kris really seemed to have had a blast performing today. Can’t we all just appreciate what he offered today?”

    Ditto..

  • summersnow

    Wow, just when I thought it could not get any more EPIC than LLWD, Kris did it again! I’m really impressed that Kris and his co-writers could come up with such radio-friendly, catchy songs in such a short time. I like the funk pop rock vibe present in the songs, which he even injected into HMBOMT (he NEEDS to make that cover a bonus track on his album!). Still, I’m looking forward to see Kris’s soulful take on ballads in his album which is also his forte.

  • SarahP

    wow! just logged on to the blog and THREE NEW KRIS songs waiting for me…..what a start to a day….definitely dispelled my Monday morning blues….

    gonna listen to them now…

  • Starr

    summersnow
    October 26, 2009 at 2:39 am

    Wow, just when I thought it could not get any more EPIC than LLWD, Kris did it again! I’m really impressed that Kris and his co-writers could come up with such radio-friendly, catchy songs in such a short time. I like the funk pop rock vibe present in the songs, which he even injected into HMBOMT (he NEEDS to make that cover a bonus track on his album!). Still, I’m looking forward to see Kris’s soulful take on ballads in his album which is also his forte.

    Lyndsey Parker of Yahoo Music’s Reality Rocks mentioned that the song “Bring It Back” – which is a ballad courtesy of Eg White (producer to Duffy, Adele)- will make “female fans (to) weep openly and fans of both genders to do The Wave”. To me this means that Kris has a very well-rounded album. Parker also mentions “The Truth” as a mid-tempo ballad that features a “lovely breathy vocal” from Kris – which is nice. I am expecting “Red Guitar” and “I Need to Know” to be slower songs, so I think that we have an awesome album in store for us!

  • mmk28

    At first I thought that I wouldn’t like “Written all over my face”. I guess, I was a little biased just because this is one of the three songs that were not co-written by him. I heard it and I liked it a lot (it’s very catcy) but not as much as the other two that we heard today for the first time. Then I paid more attention to the lyrics and they suit him soooooo much. I mean, we said the same thing for LLWD but anybody could talk about “carpe diem” but talking about how somebody expresses his feelings better without saying anything because what he feels is “written all over his face” it’s so …Kris, a guy that is not very eloquent and has no poker face. Now I enjoy it a lot more.

  • SarahP

    haven’t yet read the comments but this is my take on the songs! (of course its optimistically positive). in order of preference here is my opinion (i had a tough time selecting my favourite and reshuffled the order a bit before i hit submit)

    - written all over my face: i love it sooooo much especially the wordiness and also cos of the intro guitar riffs. and i love the “oooooooohhh” part of it and the super catchy melody! would love this to be the second single but lets see. and i love how he interacts with the band. is it me or does it sound like one of those early bruce springsteen songs?

    - cant stay away: the begining and final guitar riffs were amazing and i love the chorus. making my head pop up and down and i have this feeling it’ll be the second single cos its one of those songs which you have to turn the radio volume up when it plays on the radio. and wow! kris’s voice has really become strong, especially the big notes he hit at the end. reminds me a bit of his “come together” performance which i loved! and i love it how he was itching to be playing the guitar at the end…his fingers were literally twitching. and listening to it again, reminds of maroon 5 song “this love”.

    - before we come undone: wow i love love love the melody and the words. wow wow wow! doesn’t it remind anyone of dave matthews band? or is it just me?

    frankly speaking, i expected much less of kris’s album (being a big kris fan has made me prudent a bit) but not only am i pleasantly surprised but this, i love it love it love it love it love it….

  • http://www.last.fm/user/RemusL/ RemusL

    we said the same thing for LLWD but anybody could talk about ‘carpe diem’ 

    Anybody could say that but how many of them have actually been near death as Kris was during a mission when he became severely ill?

  • SarahP

    this thread is made of win…love all you fellow kris fans out there :)

    The higher quality clip of Before We Come Undone didn’t change my mind

    was there a higher quality vid of before we come undone? cos the sound in the link MJ put up was not very clear

  • bjames

    i want to hear this album right. now.

  • Starr

    RemusL
    October 26, 2009 at 3:38 am

    we said the same thing for LLWD but anybody could talk about ‘carpe diem’ 

    Anybody could say that but how many of them have actually been near death as Kris was during a mission when he became severely ill?

    Oh wow, I almost forgot about that! It totally gives me new perspective on that song! Thanks for reminding me. Initially when I heard LLWD I was like, oh that is so cliche! But when Kris sings it, he injects new life into that song and he sings it with so much conviction, you can’t help but snap up and pay attention.

  • alxsavage

    Whoah, his version of Hit Me Baby One More Time sounds exactly like a Maroon 5 song, sans Adam Levine’s vocals. So does Can’t Stay Away. It’s funny, I was expecting Blake Lewis to release this kind of material, but it does go well with Kris.

    Anyway, the new songs are very pleasant, I’m still not crazy about his timbre and I’m not particularly blown away by any song, but it is a very enjoyable genre and Kris really puts his soul into it, he’ll surely do well :)!

    Believe it or not, out of this bunch, I’m thinking LLWD was probably the best choice for a first single

    I agree! It is a good song, it’s been growing on me, I wish I could get it on my local iTunes store.

  • Starr

    alxsavage Believe it or not, out of this bunch, I’m thinking LLWD was probably the best choice for a first single

    I agree! It is a good song, it’s been growing on me, I wish I could get it on my local iTunes store.

    Why can’t you get it at your iTunes store? Where are you from? Maybe I could gift it to you?

  • mmk28

    Yes, Remusl, you are absolutely right. Two things may have lead me to my comment above:
    1.the “accusation” by many that the lyrics of LLWD are generic, that many songs talk about appreciating every moment of your life etc.
    2. the fact that Kris doesn’t mention this tragic experience at all, therefore one can forget how literal are these lyrics for him. He could have exploited that incident to show how much he relates to the song, but he doesn’t do it. He does that only with his singing. Kudos to him for that, I think.

    We don’t have the lyrics of the songs yet, but from what I can hear and understand I really like them!
    Since he already performed four songs from his album, I believe that he will continue to sing some of them/ all of them to the gigs that he has before his album drops, or do you think that there is any chance to perform another one from the album? Actually, except from the Napa Valley gig (11/9, if I remember correctly) does he have anything else scheduled before the 17th of Nov.?

  • Starr

    mmk28
    October 26, 2009 at 4:30 am

    We don’t have the lyrics of the songs yet, but from what I can hear and understand I really like them!
    Since he already performed four songs from his album, I believe that he will continue to sing some of them/ all of them to the gigs that he has before his album drops, or do you think that there is any chance to perform another one from the album? Actually, except from the Napa Valley gig (11/9, if I remember correctly) does he have anything else scheduled before the 17th of Nov.?

    What Napa Valley gig?!?!

    As far as TV appearances, I don’t see Kris on any of the late night TV line-ups, so it’s possible he might start appearing on those after the album is released, although there is a slot open next Wednesday on Ellen. I am pretty sure the music video for Live Like We’re Dying will premiere before the album drops, since that’s pretty much what happens for everybody in the music industry, so we can expect it perhaps the first week of November, maybe even as early as sometime this week? Kris will probably continue to call in on radio shows, since that’s what he has been doing since finishing the album. This gig for the Dolphins was an excellent idea by his management! Without this gig, he would have had way too much time on his hands that he could definitely use towards promoting the album. It was a nice preparatory gig for the band to see how they performed in front of a real crowd, and to see how the song sounds in a big venue – which to me, translated as AWESOME.

    Also, I agree, I am really digging the lyrics. They are not bubblegummy pop – especially Before We Come Undone. One line jumped out at me “Can we put our weapons down” – or something to that effect; really nice imagery and very elaborate lyrics.

  • SarahP

    Starr! you’re pretty new here aren’t you? haven’t seen you before….

    Anybody could say that but how many of them have actually been near death as Kris was during a mission when he became severely ill?

    never thought of it that way. maybe thats why kris fell in love with the song early on itself. cos the song and its meaning meant something in his life

  • erinnthered

    OMG! These are from an Idol winner?!

    Still working my way through the comments but… (warning: teal deer ahead)

    Like mj said, not breaking new ground, but no one really expects that from an Idol winner. Given that…way better than anyone had a right to expect. I’m usually pretty tough on Idols, and I do have a soft spot for this one, but I really think this could be a solid pop/ rock album. One that will stand up outside the Idol bubble. Good on Kris!

    Band is pretty tight given the short time frame, but they still need some work. Still a little bar band-y. They’ll get there.

    IMHO, this a step up from Brand New Shoes. At least, what I heard of it. He showed some definite raw songwriting talent, but it was very amateurish in some ways. He wasn’t very good at editing himself. He’s one of those guys that if he’d gone for a music degree his bad habits would have been hammered out of him, and he probably could have made it on his own. Having good co-songwriters and producers really elevated his game quickly.

    The songs:

    I love Can’t Stay Away. Very catchy, and not the kind of song that gets old fast. Just a good song all around. Definitely big single potential. I can’t express how shocked I am that this is an Idol contestant singing this. I have a feeling the live version will be better than the album version. Never a bad thing, IMO.

    Written All Over My Face is definitely the most generic of the tunes, to me. I like it, but it’s definitely a more generic sort of “been done before.” Still, it’s definitely well done…okay, on further listen, it’s really growing on me…by the time I have the album, I’ll probably have it on repeat…gah! Curse you, catchy pop tunes!

    Before We Come Undone is also a bit “been done before,” but it’s a classic sound. I like it a lot, from what I can hear, but I want to hear the album version, or a better video/ performance.

    Live Like We’re Dying is still good. Not great, but good. I honestly thought I’d be sick of it by now. It’s got one of those crazy hooks that can get old fast. Could be fan goggles, or could be that I don’t have it on repeat on my iPod. (Have I mentioned how awesome the latest Avett Bros CD is? Seriously, people!)

    Okay…so I’m a sucker for Britney covers…Nickel Creek and Molly Lewis do killer versions of Toxic, Lily Allen and Franz Ferdinand’s versoins of Womanizer, and Travis started this for me with their Baby One More Time cover. I thought I’d heard every possible version of Baby One More Time. Kris really is a crazy good arranger. Regardless, it’s a Britney cover, so I love it.

    Anyway, pretty certain I’m buying the album at this point. I need to forward the best videos to some friends who are interested. I hope he does well. By the sound of things, he certainly deserves it.

  • mmk28

    Another really good video of “Can’t stay away” http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1tNr0o4AK5Q&feature=channel

    1. little banter at the beginning
    2. I enjoy very much that he doesn’t play the guitar during this song because of the movements he makes while air guitaring and air drumming!!
    3. He introduces his band in his low-key style and of course the old friend has a little special treatment ,lol.

  • Starr

    SarahP
    October 26, 2009 at 5:03 am

    Starr! you’re pretty new here aren’t you? haven’t seen you before’ ¦.

    Hello SarahP! I’m new in posting but not in presence! I’ve been lurking on mjsbigblog ever since I started following Kris on American Idol. He is the first American Idol who I’ve really connected with, and I can’t help but be active on these posts because all this is making me excited for his upcoming album!

  • SarahP

    Starr, you’re an inspiration to other lurkers out there!

    yep, kris is the first idol i’ve connected with, and therefore started to comment on blogs, youtube his vids, stalk him on twitter and basically become a kris-sened fan :)

  • Starr

    erinnthered
    October 26, 2009 at 5:06 am

    OMG! These are from an Idol winner?!

    Like mj said, not breaking new ground, but no one really expects that from an Idol winner. Given that’ ¦way better than anyone had a right to expect. I’m usually pretty tough on Idols, and I do have a soft spot for this one, but I really think this could be a solid pop/ rock album. One that will stand up outside the Idol bubble. Good on Kris!

    IMHO, this a step up from Brand New Shoes. At least, what I heard of it. He showed some definite raw songwriting talent, but it was very amateurish in some ways. He wasn’t very good at editing himself. He’s one of those guys that if he’d gone for a music degree his bad habits would have been hammered out of him, and he probably could have made it on his own. Having good co-songwriters and producers really elevated his game quickly.

    Anyway, pretty certain I’m buying the album at this point. I need to forward the best videos to some friends who are interested. I hope he does well. By the sound of things, he certainly deserves it.

    I feel the same way you do! I’ve never followed a season of American Idol before, and I don’t really expect much from American Idol winners. Kelly Clarkson is probably the most successful, but her songs are pretty standard pop-rock. “Since U Been Gone” and “My Life Would Suck Without You” sound like the exact same song. I don’t like country music, so Carrie Underwood does not appeal to me. David Cook and Chris Daughtry are OK, but Daughtry sounds like a Nickelback wannabe and Cook – I don’t know, some of his songs still come off as cheesy to me (like Come Back to Me – I hate that song, sorry Cook fans). And don’t even get me started on the Beyonce-wannabe that is Jordin Sparks.

    The first time Kris really caught my attention was “Man in the Mirror” during Top 36 week – I loved his rendition and I thought he showed so much soul and melody, however I never thought America would vote for him because he is so low-key as a performer. When he made it to the top 12 I was ecstatic and from then on he just became an artist of interest to me. I loved his song arrangements, and he just has that quiet confidence that emanates from him when he performs.

    I would have to disagree with you on Brand New Shoes, in that I feel like it’s a really strong album, albeit with some pretty amateur-ish lyrics at times. You’re right, Kris does have some grammatical errors in his lyrics from BNS that you kinda have to go, “Whaaat?” but if you ignore them, the songs are so amazing. I’m a grammar Nazi, so whenever I hear “Wipe It Away” I cringe when I hear him sing “Wasn’t part of the script that was gave”, but I love the song so much that I have since resorted to switching the ‘gave’ to ‘given’. :D I think that the songs are incredibly infectious – particularly “Wastin’ Time” (one of the songs with the best lyrics), and I love the soulfulness of “Be My Lady”. “Land of Smiles” is a sweet song, except it cracks me up because it’s called “Land of Smiles” and makes you think that Kris was high when he writes this song hahaha

    Anyway, although I wanted Kris to go the folk/singer-songwriter route a la Matt Costa and Ryan Adams, I feel like he is only trying to get his foot in the door with this album, and so I can forgive Mike Elizondo and co. for trying to “commercialize” him. Oftentimes I am not so forgiving, and I would have been quick to point the finger and yell “Sellout!”, however these new songs are still really good, and I can only expect more to come from Kris. Hopefully his next album will be more experimental, less collaborative and rootsier.

  • erinnthered

    Another really good video of ‘Can’t stay away’  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1tNr0o4AK5Q&feature=channel

    Did you maybe mean, Baby One More Time? It goes straight to aloverestrained’s video, which is the one posted in the OP. Great video, but it’s already posted.

    Maybe the link is wrong?

    Oh, and to respond to someone upthread…I actually prefer new songs be introduced live. If they can’t hold up in front of an audience how good are they, really? I’m so happy we got to hear these in this format before the recorded versions were released.

    More than likely, the live will be better than the recorded, and with these out there, I’m sure people who see them will be encouraged to go to the live show, rather than out off by possible over-production on the album. Win-Win, I’d say.

    These are pretty good audio from an on camera mic. No serious distortion, and minimal background noise. Nice job!

  • mmk28

    Starr, here you are

    http://www.liveinthevineyard.com/artists.html

    Not that it matters a lot but why haven’t they still put a link to iTunes next to LLWD as they have done with the other artists?

    Oh, sorry here is CSA. Enjoy!!!!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r4A_YmhR4V4&feature=player_embedded

  • Starr

    SarahP
    October 26, 2009 at 5:27 am

    Starr, you’re an inspiration to other lurkers out there!

    yep, kris is the first idol i’ve connected with, and therefore started to comment on blogs, youtube his vids, stalk him on twitter and basically become a kris-sened fan :)

    Thanks, Sarah! I don’t know if I should be an inspiration…My Kris Allen obsession is terribly unhealthy, and I wouldn’t wanna encourage people to adopt my habits, else they would have no life! Hahaha :D I am a certified Kris Allen fanatic, and my mother can vouch for it, considering she often stumbles upon me stalking him online and gives me one of those looks only disapproving mothers can give their daughters.

    My boyfriend has told me that I seem to love Kris Allen more than I do him – and what’s sad is that I agreed with him! Hahahaha :D

  • Starr

    erinnthered
    October 26, 2009 at 5:32 am

    Oh, and to respond to someone upthread’ ¦I actually prefer new songs be introduced live. If they can’t hold up in front of an audience how good are they, really? I’m so happy we got to hear these in this format before the recorded versions were released.

    More than likely, the live will be better than the recorded, and with these out there, I’m sure people who see them will be encouraged to go to the live show, rather than out off by possible over-production on the album. Win-Win, I’d say.

    I, too, prefer songs released live first – it’s nice to see what an artist can do before they get into a studio with the song. I think that Kris has always been able to deliver great live performances, and so it doesn’t surprise me that looking at him onstage at that gig, he seemed really at home. I confess I’ve sent a fan letter to Kris detailing how much I disapprove of some of his American Idol studio recordings; I’ve told him I detest the “She Works Hard for the Money” and “Heartless” studio recordings – I know he feels the same way, since he mentioned he didn’t like SWHFTM’s studio version in an interview, AND he has considerably changed up the arrangement for “Heartless”.

  • Starr

    mmk28
    October 26, 2009 at 5:32 am

    Starr, here you are

    http://www.liveinthevineyard.com/artists.html

    Sorry, but what is the link for again? Is this your website? And thanks for the new link to CSA!

  • mmk28

    My website? No. It’s the site with all the performers of the “Live in the Vineyard” gig, 7-9 Nov. If you scroll down you will see Kris.

    From their homepage:

    What is Live In The Vineyard?

    LIVE IN THE VINEYARD is a series of private and exclusive ‘winner’  only acoustic concerts from some of today’s hottest Pop superstars and emerging artists. These Vineyard events take place in the foothills of California’s famed wine country ‘“ Napa Valley, and feature live acoustic performances paired with Napa’s most revered wineries.

  • Starr

    mmk28
    October 26, 2009 at 5:45 am

    My website? No. It’s the site with all the performers of the ‘Live in the Vineyard’  gig, 7-9 Nov. If you scroll down you will see Kris.

    From their homepage:

    What is Live In The Vineyard?

    LIVE IN THE VINEYARD is a series of private and exclusive ‘winner’  only acoustic concerts from some of today’s hottest Pop superstars and emerging artists. These Vineyard events take place in the foothills of California’s famed wine country ‘“ Napa Valley, and feature live acoustic performances paired with Napa’s most revered wineries.

    Haha sorry, I must be getting really sleepy! That is cool that Kris will be performing there! He seems to be among a pretty respectable group – I like A Fine Frenzy and David Gray. Thanks for the link! :)

  • erinnthered

    Starr, I’m a long time Idol fan, so checking this stuff out is old hat for me now. LOL.

    (more teal deer – sorry)

    I actually like Kelly’s output. A lot more than most other Idols. I don’t think her overall catalog is too similar. Plus, I appreciate a catchy tune. I’d say John Peter Lewis, Diana Degarmo (really!), and Blake Lewis (no, really!) have been the strongest post-Idol, IMHO. I’m just a sucker for Blake’s style of music, and Diana and JPL just put out some solid product. Diana’s isn’t my style at all, but her album was undeniably very good. Kelly is very close behind in quality, IMHO. I’ve been told Jim Veraros (sp?) has some good stuff, but I haven’t gotten around to it….oh, and I like some of Michael Johns’ stuff…another one I didn’t see coming.

    Grammar doesn’t bother me. It’s art. Art shouldn’t be restricted by artificial boundaries like grammar or diction. I actually meant the songs themselves need to be shortened at times, or the lyrics/ melody/ bridge tweaked. It was good first effort with a lot of potential – on which he’s currently capitalizing.

    I don’t see this in any way as artistically selling out. Kris has stated he has no poker face, so I believe him when he says it represents him, and it certainly sounds like what could have been expected of him. I had no specific expectation – having been burned many time before – so I went in listening to what he said (like “it’ll have a rock sound”) and just hoping for the best. My point is, if you don’t like this, you may not be pleased with later output. Not to say he won’t grow and change as an artist, but this is his “base,” as it were, and he won’t go backwards from here. Trust me. I know from many years of Idol experience.

    Just let it wash over you, and take what you can get. I’ve loved, Loved, LOVED Idol contestants and their pre-Idol music, only to have their post-Idol output be total dreck – IMO. In one case, I know for certain the contestant stood by the sound completely, and thought it was great stuff! It can be very disheartening.

    I found a long time ago that it’s dangerous to “expect” a certain thing from a musical artist. You are almost always disappointed in the end. Let it be a surprise, and enjoy what you can – if it’s enjoyable. (Does that make sense?) If not, be certain someone likes it, and let them be and move on. Kris won’t be offended. Neither will Adam or Allison. In truth, you’d be giving them more artistic freedom by letting them go, and not trying to fit them into a box they don’t want to be in.

  • SarahP

    Hopefully his next album will be more experimental, less collaborative and rootsier.

    rootsier? as in going back to the roots?

    definitely his next album will be experimental cos for this album, since its his first, he needed to work with TPTB a lot and even though the album is kris-ified, its not totally 100% kris. and they are making this one very pop-rock cos thats what sells now compared to the ryan adams style songs.

    i’m really looking forward to the next one cos that’ll be the true reflection of kris’s musical style.

  • erinnthered

    definitely his next album will be experimental cos for this album, since its his first, he needed to work with TPTB a lot and even though the album is kris-ified, its not totally 100% kris. and they are making this one very pop-rock cos thats what sells now compared to the ryan adams style songs.

    i’m really looking forward to the next one cos that’ll be the true reflection of kris’s musical style.

    Honestly, see my post above yours, because if I had a dime for every Idol fan who said that about their fave…if you don’t like this album, you probably won’t like his future output. He’s not going to go backwards artistically. Kris said he stands by this album, and like every Idol before him, I see no reason to believe he is lying. Heck, he wrote 2/3rds of the thing!

    This is who Kris is now. Let him be that, and if you like Ryan Adams, then go listen to Ryan Adams…and maybe Christopher Denny, or Bonny Prince Billy, or the Avett Bros while your at it. (See what I did there? ;-))

  • Starr

    erinnthered
    October 26, 2009 at 5:53 am

    Starr, I’m a long time Idol fan, so checking this stuff out is old hat for me now. LOL.

    (more teal deer ‘“ sorry)

    I actually like Kelly’s output. A lot more than most other Idols. I don’t think her overall catalog is too similar. Plus, I appreciate a catchy tune. I’d say John Peter Lewis, Diana Degarmo (really!), and Blake Lewis (no, really!) have been the strongest post-Idol, IMHO. I’m just a sucker for Blake’s style of music, and Diana and JPL just put out some solid product. Diana’s isn’t my style at all, but her album was undeniably very good. Kelly is very close behind in quality, IMHO. I’ve been told Jim Veraros (sp?) has some good stuff, but I haven’t gotten around to it’ ¦.oh, and I like some of Michael Johns’ stuff’ ¦another one I didn’t see coming.

    Grammar doesn’t bother me. It’s art. Art shouldn’t be restricted by artificial boundaries like grammar or diction. I actually meant the songs themselves need to be shortened at times, or the lyrics/ melody/ bridge tweaked. It was good first effort with a lot of potential ‘“ on which he’s currently capitalizing.

    I don’t see this in any way as artistically selling out. Kris has stated he has no poker face, so I believe him when he says it represents him, and it certainly sounds like what could have been expected of him. I had no specific expectation ‘“ having been burned many time before ‘“ so I went in listening to what he said (like ‘it’ll have a rock sound’ ) and just hoping for the best. My point is, if you don’t like this, you may not be pleased with later output. Not to say he won’t grow and change as an artist, but this is his ‘base,’  as it were, and he won’t go backwards from here. Trust me. I know from many years of Idol experience.

    Just let it wash over you, and take what you can get. I’ve loved, Loved, LOVED Idol contestants and their pre-Idol music, only to have their post-Idol output be total dreck ‘“ IMO. In one case, I know for certain the contestant stood by the sound completely, and thought it was great stuff! It can be very disheartening.

    I found a long time ago that it’s dangerous to ‘expect’  a certain thing from a musical artist. You are almost always disappointed in the end. Let it be a surprise, and enjoy what you can ‘“ if it’s enjoyable. (Does that make sense?) If not, be certain someone likes it, and let them be and move on. Kris won’t be offended. Neither will Adam or Allison. In truth, you’d be giving them more artistic freedom by letting them go, and not trying to fit them into a box they don’t want to be in.

    Alas, I’m an American Idol newbie, so I have not heard any of Michael Johns’ music or Diana DeGarmo, etc. I have heard that new Jason Castro song and it sounds pretty feelgood, but nothing I’d really get hooked on.

    I totally agree with letting an artist express themselves however they want – good grammar or not, which is why I love Brand New Shoes! It’s funny you would say that the songs needed to be shortened; it reminded me of when Kris was telling Lyndsey Parker about recording “Red Guitar” on Garage Band back in the day and he said it was almost 6 minutes long! I actually don’t mind a long song – I think that an artist should be able to record however long they think the song should be. I love Arcade Fire’s “Rebellion” (it’s over 5 minutes long!) and Wilco’s “I Am Trying to Break Your Heart” – IMO, some songs can be however long they need to be, if that’s how the artist conceptualized it.

    I think that Brand New Shoes had some surprises for me, like “Running” for instance. Kris stretches his voice in that song, and I thought the surprise “comeback” at the end was lovely, and very unexpected. The best thing I liked about Brand New Shoes was that Kris demonstrated some nuances in his singing. For instance (and I know I will sound like an obsessed lunatic when I point this out), there is a part in “Wipe It Away” where he just goes “Hmmm…Wipe it away,” and I cannot get over that “Hmmm” part! To me, it added so much more to the whole song! Something so simple as a hum that is a half second long or whatever – it really impressed me! To me, nuances like these make me feel like the artist is relating to the song intimately, because it’s less polished and less straightforward than just singing the written lyrics.

    As for what you said about selling out, I just wanted to clarify that I wasn’t implying that Kris was selling out by putting out an album with a big, more guitar-driven sound. I just mean that I was expecting some of the songs to be less radio-friendly and more experimental than they turned out to be, and that’s not necessarily a bad thing. For instance, John Mayer’s “Wheel” from the album “Heavier Things”. It’s not really something you would hear on the radio, but it’s an amazing song. Stuff like that was what I was expecting from Kris. And maybe you’re right – expectations are not good sometimes. I just think that because there has been so much precedent set by artists like Jason Mraz and John Mayer in the quality of their debut albums, that I feel like Kris shouldn’t have to compromise with this record. I admit, I got riled up whenever Kris would say “I don’t know if (insert song) will make it into the album”, because I kept thinking, “It’s your album, Kris! Do whatever you want!” But then of course, you realize that with such a big debut such as this one, you can’t really just do whatever you want.

  • Starr

    SarahP
    October 26, 2009 at 5:57 am

    Hopefully his next album will be more experimental, less collaborative and rootsier.

    rootsier? as in going back to the roots?

    definitely his next album will be experimental cos for this album, since its his first, he needed to work with TPTB a lot and even though the album is kris-ified, its not totally 100% kris. and they are making this one very pop-rock cos thats what sells now compared to the ryan adams style songs.

    i’m really looking forward to the next one cos that’ll be the true reflection of kris’s musical style.

    Well, let me put it this way: This album is 100% Kris. I don’t believe for a second that in any of these songs, Kris was never invested in any of them, even the ones he didn’t write. For instance, just look at the songs he chose that he didn’t write. “Live Like We’re Dying” could totally be a Kris song, if you ignore that The Script wrote it. It sounds and feels like it could be Kris’s song – it almost sounds like “I Was Played”. “Written All Over My Face” was also not a Kris-penned song, but if you listen to the lyrics, they are so very Kris! So I firmly believe this debut record is 100% Kris, but what I mean by “rootsier” is that the songs don’t sound very conventional – like verse chorus verse bridge chorus or whatever. I want Kris to sing whatever song he wants, in whatever format (acoustic or big band) and feel like he has 100% total free reign over his sound – which is what he had with BRand New Shoes, since it was 100% produced and written and sung by him. But I want him to elevate it to a whole new level.

    See, I think that some people will say it’s not Kris because it’s no longer acoustic pop soul or whatever, but I remember back when Kris sang “Come Together” on Idol and the judges told him he was “trying too hard” and that hard rock just wasn’t his thing – Kris responded to them by saying, “Maybe it is me but you just haven’t seen this side of me yet.” I feel like this record is the same way – maybe this is a side to Kris that he is exploring – a bigger, funkier more eclectic side to Kris. That I can very much appreciate.

  • cookcricket

    I’m going to have to come back later to read over more of this thread. I’m loving some of this more in depth analysis! :D

    Starr: Just briefly, I’m a David Cook fan as well as a Kris Allen fan. Let me tell you most of his die-hard fans dislike “Come Back to Me” as well. If you ever get a chance to listen to the other songs on album, many, many are much better, imho. Even better, is DC live!

    Okay, back to the regular scheduled love of Kris Allen!!!

  • saga

    Don’t know if this thread is still alive. Not a huge fan of Kris, I really can’t stand his tensed singing, but I thought the songs were really, really good. Interesting guitar work too!

    I just hope they didn’t bland these songs out in the production but kept some of the edgy and funky stuff but so far it looks like Kris was able to get something good out.

  • erinnthered

    I actually don’t mind a long song ‘“ I think that an artist should be able to record however long they think the song should be. I love Arcade Fire’s ‘Rebellion’  (it’s over 5 minutes long!) and Wilco’s ‘I Am Trying to Break Your Heart’  ‘“ IMO, some songs can be however long they need to be, if that’s how the artist conceptualized it.

    Yes, and Television’s 10 minute opus, Marquee Moon, is brilliant too. It’s not about the element, it’s the quality of the element. They’re long because he didn’t know how to edit, not because they just needed to be. It’s a “bad habit” that he lost through working with more seasoned, and trained, musicians. He could have also lost it by taking classes in composition.

    You keep saying “expect” and “want.” I’m trying to say “don’t say that!” You’re only hurting yourself by wanting something specific…like John Mayer. Kris isn’t the first Idol to be compared to Mayer, or to be expected to do as Mayer did. John Mayer is talented, but he isn’t the be all, end all. Let Kris be Kris, and don’t compare him to anyone. Enjoy it for what it is, because what it is, is him.

    Maybe someday he’ll do something cool and experimental…maybe not. Just don’t expect it or look for it. Let it go. This is it.

  • mmk28

    Starr and erinnthered,

    wow i really enjoy your comments! Keep it up!

    Starr, your appreciation for “Wipe it away” made me to go back and listen to it, I haven’t done it for a looong time. I don’t know why and maybe I shouldn’t right now since we have new stuff (yay!!) but I didn’t regret it. I really love this song and I am sure at this point that I can enjoy both the old and the new Kris as I did during Idol by loving FS and TMFML along with Heartless and Bright Lights etc. Let’s not forget also that Kris in one of his interviews said that if he ever re-recorded a song from BNS this would probably be “wipe it away” since it captures a special moment for him. So if fans ever ask him to perform smth from BNS he might pick it since he loves it. I have seen from videos that D. Cook performs pre-Idol stuff on his tour, so Kris can do the same thing if he wants to.

    Also, (a little late)
    I agree with you about the studio recordings of SWHFTM and Heartless.
    However since Heartless will be a bonus track in Kris’s album (as we know from Slezak http://music-mix.ew.com/2009/10/23/kris-allen-track-listing-debut-c/ ) and Salaam Remi is the producer of this song let’s hope for a better version of it. An acoustic one, close to the live performance? As we know by now that’s not happening in this album but I am open to new things and fingers crossed better….

  • fanaround

    Love, love, love the new songs!

    Regarding BNS, Wipe it Away is the song I really like. I saw the coment above that”I cringe when I hear him sing ‘Wasn’t part of the script that was gave’ . On that one, I’m pretty sure that he says “wasn’t part of the script that was giv’n” but with his strong accent. The same thing on the previous line where he says “didn’t mean for that kiss to come in” but it sounds like ‘ehhn’ so it rhymes with the way he says “giv’n”.

    I will admit that his spoken grammar does sometimes make me cringe in interviews. Except for “me and Adam”. I became partial to “me and Adam”. :)

  • dcmjfan127

    Loving the new music!
    I would say my favorite is Before We Come Undone. Love his voice on this one. This one makes me really excited about hearing the rest of the album :-) Can’t wait for 11/17!

    I also like Can’t Stay Away. He looks like he is having a lot of fun up on stage. Nice to see him interacting with his new band members. This one makes me really excited about seeing him in concert. I am hoping it is not solely a college tour and that I will be able to see him live before spring.

  • wordnerdarchie

    I’ve really liked what I heard from Kris from this mini-concert. Congrats for staying true to himself (at least the way I perceived Kris to be).

    Starr: Just briefly, I’m a David Cook fan as well as a Kris Allen fan. Let me tell you most of his die-hard fans dislike ‘Come Back to Me’  as well.

    cookcricket, well here’s a die-hard David Cook fan who voted non-stop for Kris Allen, who actually likes “Come Back to Me” from first hearing it, as did many of my other die-hard fan friends. And the poll on the front page of Cook’s official web site has CBTM as the second most favorite song (after permanent), but maybe there aren’t so many die hard fans voting? Yeah, right. Heh, I also loved Light On from the beginning and got very tired of Bar Ba Sol very fast.

    The perceptions formed about fans and their “favorites” are often molded by the fact that the most vocal fans are seen as the majority. That’s not always the case. They are sometimes just making the most noise. I’m always concerned when sweeping generalities are made about groups of people. It isn’t that simple.

    How does this tie in to Kris and this thread topic? I’m not making predictions about the rest of Kris’s album and whether his die-hard fans will like everything that might be on it. I’m sure they won’t. Take cookcricket’s post for example. Individuals make up the fanbase, and will have different likes/dislikes. This diversity will be beneficial to Kris the artist and his longevity in the business. As long as he keeps his music varied and interesting he will have success.

  • auntieaimee

    I’m not jumping out of my chair, but the songs seem very solid. Maybe in a few more listens I’ll love them. I like Written All Over My Face a lot. Not crazy about the Britney cover, it seems a little hokey. Sometimes an insipid pop song is just an insipid pop song and should not be covered (I’m talking to you, Chris “Poker Face” Daughtry). Anyway, Kris and the guys are off to a great start. Looking forward to hearing more.

  • erinnthered

    Will go back and listen to Wipe it Away. It’s been ages since I listened to anything from Brand New Shoes.

    I agree with wordnerdarchie that fanbases are made up of individuals, but groupthink is a very real consequence. A lot of times, first impressions are made because a vocal segment see things a specific way. It’s dangerous, but seems to diminish the further you get from an Idol’s season. There’s a mathematical equation in there somewhere, I’m sure.

    Sometimes an insipid pop song is just an insipid pop song and should not be covered

    Have you heard the Travis version? Baby One More Time is Actually a Solid Pop song that was diminished by Britney’s original interpretation (see also: Rhianna’s Umbrella). This cover changed the way a lot of pretentious music fans (me included) viewed pop music.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-NwqN-xj9Xs

    If you’d heard this first, would you think of this as a cheesy pop tune?

  • http://www.last.fm/user/RemusL/ RemusL

    Have you heard the Travis version? Baby One More Time is Actually a Solid Pop song that was diminished by Britney’s original interpretation (see also: Rhianna’s Umbrella). This cover changed the way a lot of pretentious music fans (me included) viewed pop music.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-NwqN-xj9Xs

    If you’d heard this first, would you think of this as a cheesy pop tune?

    For me, I saw Marty Casey sing this on Rock Star: INXS before even hearing of Travis. According to Wikipedia, there have been a lot of recorded cover versions and even more live cover versions.

    The actual lyrics are quite dark and I think it’s one of Max Martin’s best songs, both lyrically and melodically. However, Britney’s prancing school girl video trivializes the subject matter of an abusive relationship.

  • saga

    I think Kris is a better songwriter than Cook (don’t kill me!), judging from these snippets and what I heard on Cooks album. Kris’ songs are more interesting rythmically than the ones on Cooks album and the verses are better, less formulaic. I don’t get a formulaic feeling from these songs at all, just really solid and funky songs. Again, I really like the guitar works.

  • washyourhands

    I am so excited about these new songs! Especially, “Written All Over My Face” – can’t seem to get that one out of my head. Love CSA too…..reminds me a bit of “I Was Played” which was one of my BNS favs. I would like to hear a clearer version of “Before We Come Undone” but I am liking it. I like the funk and all the lower register singing, Kris lower register is killer and I like that he pulls the breathy – sexy out.. I actually like Kris singing without the guitar. I get a Maroon 5 feel too, which is great for me b/c I love them. Amazing surprise factor with Kris…just when you think that you have him figure out……Bam! Way to hit it KRIS baby!

  • Mtlfan

    Mtlfan
    October 26, 2009 at 1:23 am
    there is a guy on YT who posted tons of little clips of GMA stuff which is making harder to find Kris performance of today on YT. So annoying to see a glambert trying to kill the buzz

    I don’t understand why someone posting clips would be a ‘Glambert’ trying to kill the buzz. I don’t make the connection.

    Finn, Maria22,

    i should probably have skipped this comment of mine but I got annoyed. And i called the person glambert because there was a ton of Adam videos on his/her account (nothing wrong with it) and it was so clear what the intent was

  • cookbunny

    Starr: “The boy’s definitely got some soul.”

    …but he’s not a soldier! (sorry, but I HAD to do it!)

    I am cautiously optimistic about the album now, because I’m LOVING these songs! “Can’t Stay Away” and “Before We Come Undone” are my top two…I was prepared to not like “Written All Over My Face” as much because it was from the same team that did LLWD, but I surprisingly did!

    The reason I say “cautiously” optimistic is because the songs were live and I almost always prefer the live versions (see: any David Cook performance). My only fear is that the studio versions end up being over-produced.

  • carmine2008

    I just listened to the higher quality videos and OMFG the new songs are awesome. I love Cant Stay Away the most, into the second chorus I was already singing along.

  • Starr

    cookcricket
    October 26, 2009 at 6:42 am

    I’m going to have to come back later to read over more of this thread. I’m loving some of this more in depth analysis! :D

    Starr: Just briefly, I’m a David Cook fan as well as a Kris Allen fan. Let me tell you most of his die-hard fans dislike ‘Come Back to Me’  as well. If you ever get a chance to listen to the other songs on album, many, many are much better, imho. Even better, is DC live!

    Okay, back to the regular scheduled love of Kris Allen!!!

    I apologize, I did not mean to come off as disliking David Cook. I actually thought he was great while he was on the show, and I have heard some of his songs from his current album and I thought his performance of “Permanent” at the Idol finale was very nice, and his song “Bar-ba-sol” is cool too.

    erinnthered
    October 26, 2009 at 6:47 am

    I actually don’t mind a long song ‘“ I think that an artist should be able to record however long they think the song should be. I love Arcade Fire’s ‘Rebellion’  (it’s over 5 minutes long!) and Wilco’s ‘I Am Trying to Break Your Heart’  ‘“ IMO, some songs can be however long they need to be, if that’s how the artist conceptualized it.

    Yes, and Television’s 10 minute opus, Marquee Moon, is brilliant too. It’s not about the element, it’s the quality of the element. They’re long because he didn’t know how to edit, not because they just needed to be. It’s a ‘bad habit’  that he lost through working with more seasoned, and trained, musicians. He could have also lost it by taking classes in composition.

    You keep saying ‘expect’  and ‘want.’  I’m trying to say ‘don’t say that!’  You’re only hurting yourself by wanting something specific’ ¦like John Mayer. Kris isn’t the first Idol to be compared to Mayer, or to be expected to do as Mayer did. John Mayer is talented, but he isn’t the be all, end all. Let Kris be Kris, and don’t compare him to anyone. Enjoy it for what it is, because what it is, is him.

    Maybe someday he’ll do something cool and experimental’ ¦maybe not. Just don’t expect it or look for it. Let it go. This is it.

    I don’t mean that Kris should have John Mayer’s sound, that’s not what I mean at all. I’m saying that John Mayer’s debut album was not conventional at all, and it didn’t seem like he had to do a ton of compromising to get that album out. I understand what you’re trying to say here, I just think it’s important to point out that while I 100% believe Kris is invested in his current music, it would be naive to think that he was allowed to do whatever he really wanted with this album. I WANT (there, I said it again haha) him to be able to put out music he feels he doesn’t have to compromise on, but perhaps it is too early for him to do that, and maybe to some people (like you, for instance) he needs this debut album the way it is in order to be flexible and learn more from it.

  • LoveDaRocker

    Really liking these songs. Radio friendly for sure. And he seems to be keeping a distance from cheese balads. Well done.

  • Starr

    mmk28
    October 26, 2009 at 7:03 am

    Starr and erinnthered,

    wow i really enjoy your comments! Keep it up!

    Starr, your appreciation for ‘Wipe it away’  made me to go back and listen to it, I haven’t done it for a looong time. I don’t know why and maybe I shouldn’t right now since we have new stuff (yay!!) but I didn’t regret it. I really love this song and I am sure at this point that I can enjoy both the old and the new Kris as I did during Idol by loving FS and TMFML along with Heartless and Bright Lights etc. Let’s not forget also that Kris in one of his interviews said that if he ever re-recorded a song from BNS this would probably be ‘wipe it away’  since it captures a special moment for him. So if fans ever ask him to perform smth from BNS he might pick it since he loves it. I have seen from videos that D. Cook performs pre-Idol stuff on his tour, so Kris can do the same thing if he wants to.

    Also, (a little late)
    I agree with you about the studio recordings of SWHFTM and Heartless.
    However since Heartless will be a bonus track in Kris’s album (as we know from Slezak http://music-mix.ew.com/2009/10/23/kris-allen-track-listing-debut-c/ ) and Salaam Remi is the producer of this song let’s hope for a better version of it. An acoustic one, close to the live performance? As we know by now that’s not happening in this album but I am open to new things and fingers crossed better’ ¦.

    Thanks! I’m happy to be part of this discussion! You guys’s comments are really insightful. Regarding “Wipe It Away”, this is more of the Kris I want to hear, but I understand he is exploring a new direction right now, which is perfectly fine. I love his new songs! I thought that lyrically Brand New Shoes was awesome because they all either dealt with moments (like “Wipe It Away”), or they dealt with something that was just personal to Kris (like “Wastin’ Time”). I’m sorry to keep bringing up John Mayer, but Brand New Shoes reminded me of Room For Squares (Mayer’s debut album). A bit of blues, a bit of soul, a great deal of acoustic pop, and really clever lyrics (my favorite line is from “Wastin’ Time”, where Kris sings “I’ve been writing all these verbs down and I don’t know why, ‘Cause I got not action, I got no action in my life” – makes me smile!).

    fanaround
    October 26, 2009 at 7:21 am

    Love, love, love the new songs!

    Regarding BNS, Wipe it Away is the song I really like. I saw the coment above that’ I cringe when I hear him sing ‘Wasn’t part of the script that was gave’ . On that one, I’m pretty sure that he says ‘wasn’t part of the script that was giv’n’  but with his strong accent. The same thing on the previous line where he says ‘didn’t mean for that kiss to come in’  but it sounds like ‘ehhn’ so it rhymes with the way he says ‘giv’n’ .

    I will admit that his spoken grammar does sometimes make me cringe in interviews. Except for ‘me and Adam’ . I became partial to ‘me and Adam’ . :)

    Huh, I had never thought of it being misinterpreted due to the accent (to me it didn’t seem like his accent was that heavy to begin with, except when he says “binches” hahahaha :D) but thanks for the insight! And yes, I am partial to “me and Adam” as well haha

  • Junior

    I’m optomistic about the sound of these new songs on the album because, as with LLWD, I would think he’d want to perform them as close to the way they will sound on the album so people know what they’re going to get. He’s been performing LLWD that way so i’m hopeful that the same will be true for these new songs as we hear them here.

  • Starr

    wordnerdarchie
    October 26, 2009 at 7:48 am

    I’ve really liked what I heard from Kris from this mini-concert. Congrats for staying true to himself (at least the way I perceived Kris to be).

    Starr: Just briefly, I’m a David Cook fan as well as a Kris Allen fan. Let me tell you most of his die-hard fans dislike ‘Come Back to Me’  as well.

    cookcricket, well here’s a die-hard David Cook fan who voted non-stop for Kris Allen, who actually likes ‘Come Back to Me’  from first hearing it, as did many of my other die-hard fan friends. And the poll on the front page of Cook’s official web site has CBTM as the second most favorite song (after permanent), but maybe there aren’t so many die hard fans voting? Yeah, right. Heh, I also loved Light On from the beginning and got very tired of Bar Ba Sol very fast.

    The perceptions formed about fans and their ‘favorites’  are often molded by the fact that the most vocal fans are seen as the majority. That’s not always the case. They are sometimes just making the most noise. I’m always concerned when sweeping generalities are made about groups of people. It isn’t that simple.

    How does this tie in to Kris and this thread topic? I’m not making predictions about the rest of Kris’s album and whether his die-hard fans will like everything that might be on it. I’m sure they won’t. Take cookcricket’s post for example. Individuals make up the fanbase, and will have different likes/dislikes. This diversity will be beneficial to Kris the artist and his longevity in the business. As long as he keeps his music varied and interesting he will have success.

    Great post! :D

  • Starr

    cookbunny
    October 26, 2009 at 10:20 am

    Starr: ‘The boy’s definitely got some soul.’ 

    ‘ ¦but he’s not a soldier! (sorry, but I HAD to do it!)

    I am cautiously optimistic about the album now, because I’m LOVING these songs! ‘Can’t Stay Away’  and ‘Before We Come Undone’  are my top two’ ¦I was prepared to not like ‘Written All Over My Face’  as much because it was from the same team that did LLWD, but I surprisingly did!

    The reason I say ‘cautiously’  optimistic is because the songs were live and I almost always prefer the live versions (see: any David Cook performance). My only fear is that the studio versions end up being over-produced.

    Hahaha I was gonna make the Killers reference myself, but I see you made sure of that already! :D

  • dmr

    Thanks to everyone who contributed to this discussion. Love the in-depth analysis!

    Just wondering if the Adam fan ever got her videos uploaded AND anyone know where there are mp3s of these songs? Thanks.

  • fanaround

    I agree, this was a really fun discussion thread. Thanks everyone.

  • Jx223

    I don’t like any of these songs. I don’t like LLWD either but it sounds better than any of these new songs that he sung yesterday.

  • julieitis

    I love the new songs (wish there was better sound for BWCU), but the thing that I am getting the most glee from is watching Kris when he’s not playing the guitar. Boy’s having a seriously good time :)

  • rayni

    Unofficial work poll winner – Before We Come Undone.

    Non AI, 40ish, AC types. But they liked them all. :)

  • IdolThoughts

    “Can’t Stay Away” is a bit of a toe tapper. Sounds very Maroon 5-ish. I really, really do not like the Britney Spears cover. I know it’s what all the cool kids are doing these days…covering pop songs and making them “their own” but I’m not feeling it. Of all the songs, people.

    I like Kris…just like I like crisp dollar bills, newly sharpened pencils and Monterrey jack cheese…but I don’t love him. But, I don’t love Maroon 5 either. I just feel like this type of music has all been done before. It’s just too jumpy and wordy and sped up. I thought Kris would be more of a Jack Johnson type musician. I don’t know. It’s his first go around, it’s not fair to define him right out of the gate. Best of luck to him!

  • Michelle

    Wow! 400+ comments, and great discussion in this thread. Delurkers, keep posting, I love hearing your thoughts!

    So. Any chance a higher quality Before We Come Undone’s surfaced overnight?

    eta:
    answering my own question!
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MVHeRtUzOHc

  • Starr

    IdolThoughts
    October 26, 2009 at 11:43 am

    ‘Can’t Stay Away’  is a bit of a toe tapper. Sounds very Maroon 5-ish. I really, really do not like the Britney Spears cover. I know it’s what all the cool kids are doing these days’ ¦covering pop songs and making them ‘their own’  but I’m not feeling it. Of all the songs, people.

    I like Kris’ ¦just like I like crisp dollar bills, newly sharpened pencils and Monterrey jack cheese’ ¦but I don’t love him. But, I don’t love Maroon 5 either. I just feel like this type of music has all been done before. It’s just too jumpy and wordy and sped up. I thought Kris would be more of a Jack Johnson type musician. I don’t know. It’s his first go around, it’s not fair to define him right out of the gate. Best of luck to him!

    I really wanted Kris to go the Jack Johnson route too, but now that I think about it, that would have been the predictable path and I bet a lot of people were expecting acoustic songs from him. I have heard a lot of people say that what they didn’t like about Kris was the low energy and too laid back vibe that he had on the show. I personally love chill music and naturally I gravitated to Kris, but there are many people who don’t consider that their cup of tea. So I get why Mike Elizondo and co. would want Kris to expand his base by making his sound bigger and fuller on this record. I am sure we will see acoustic songs from Kris on the road when he tours to promote this album.

    I remain very pleased by what I’ve seen so far. I found a very good version of “Written All Over My Face” : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ArBIK_wFw48

    Initially I wasn’t feeling the song but it actually grows on you, especially when you watch Kris perform it over and over.

  • ilovekrisallen39

    I’ve decided that Before We Come Undone is my favorite out of all 4 song. 1 is Before we come undone,2 is Can’t Stay Away 3 and 4 are tired.

  • jpfan

    I like Kris’ ¦just like I like crisp dollar bills, newly sharpened pencils and Monterrey jack cheese’ ¦but I don’t love him. But, I don’t love Maroon 5 either

    I feel the exact same way.

  • happygolucky

    Good feedbacks so far on the new songs from Kris on this Michael Slezak’s article. :)

    http://popwatch.ew.com/2009/10/26/kris-allen-new-songs-dolphins/

  • julieitis

    I LOVE Kris, and can’t stand Jack Johnson, so I am quite pleased with the recent turn of events :) Love the funky groove he’s got going on.

  • jtoms

    lol if kris went the jack johnson, the “boring” criticisms would shoot through the roof, even more than they already have!

    i do admit, i was hoping he’d go for something like mraz meets adele (acoustic pop/soul) kind of feel, but it looks like it’s gonna be more degraw meets rob thomas. i’m still not convinced it’s the right way to go, but these songs are good.

  • golcook
  • IdolThoughts

    lol if kris went the jack johnson, the ‘boring’  criticisms would shoot through the roof, even more than they already have!

    But Jack Johnson gets to sing in a tshirt and flip flops and his guitar and could care less if people find him boring. He sells out shows all the time because people identify with his style as an artist and person. Kris’ fan base would never call him boring. If he was authentic and acoustic and chill…that would be great! John Mayer’s not boring and he’s got that same kind of relaxed, melodic feel. I just feel like these songs present Kris as a kind of a hopped-up version of who he REALLY is as an artist and person. It’s not the side of Kris I really enjoy or connect with. But again…this is just my preliminary opinion based on these vids. Best of luck Kris!

  • vanjess38

    Idol Thoughts,

    Did you see Kris on tour? His set was MIXTURE , and that’s exactly what he’s going for. He’s doing nothing different. On the show, they are given the themes and sometimes you have no option than to go a specific direction on there.
    I get Randy Jackson when he said Kris is a potpourri of musical styles. He could go a lot of different ways and I believe this is a good way to start. These 4 songs are not the only ones on the album so there will definately be something for everyone but it will still be Kris and I think Lyndsey was spot on with her review.

  • tripp_ncwy

    “I just feel like these songs present Kris as a kind of a hopped-up version of who he REALLY is as an artist and person.”

    Well since Kris co-wrote 2/3 of the new songs he performed, I think he is showing us who he really is as an artist and a person. He is not locked into just one style. As Randy stated, he is a potpourri of styles.

  • Seeker

    “You’re right, Kris does have some grammatical errors in his lyrics from BNS that you kinda have to go, ‘Whaaat?’  but if you ignore them, the songs are so amazing. I’m a grammar Nazi, so whenever I hear ‘Wipe It Away’  I cringe when I hear him sing ‘Wasn’t part of the script that was gave’ , but I love the song so much that I have since resorted to switching the ‘gave’ to ‘given’.” – Starr

    I don’t think it’s ‘gave’ I think it’s given – the “n” sound is kinda left in the air for the listener to fill in… And I kinda like that… Also the end of ‘given’ is kinda stretched out, ample time to fill in the subtle “n”.

    The opening line from Be My Lady – “I got you, but somehow, you don’t got me.”
    “you don’t got me.”
    Maybe such sentences and grammatical usage is norm now, esp in US but in old days and even now in British english… Cringe!

    WOW, discussing Kris Allen, the songwriter’s lyrics ! LOVE!

    ALSO – LOVE LOVE the new songs
    1.Before We Come Undone – Love the angst! and the melody and his voice – going deep in verses and HIGH in chorus – LOVE!

    2.Can’t Stay Away – Ermm – SEXY!!! A HIT! The Opening guitar riffs reminds me of Rain Falls Down by the Rolling Stones.

    3.Written All Over My Face & LLWD – Same Songs Writers, Same Producers (No Kris Collab). SONGS ARE SOOOOO Catchy. Love how WAOMF fits Kris personally as someone had pointed out earlier “doesn’t talk much and has no poker face.” In the LIVE performance, I thought Kris sang WAOMF better than LLWD.

    Album’s gonna be AMAZINGGGGGGGGGG!

  • tinafea

    Thus far I am a bit disappointed with Kris’ songs, was hoping for something more unique. Maybe it was just poor audio….
    And his wiggling when he sings makes me think he needs to use the restroom.

  • casey718

    Hmm, my fave is Before We Come Undone. Well, after LLWD.. I know, I’m like one of the 10 fans of that song. The rest are catchy, but like some others here, I was hoping for a Jack Johnson vibe (not exactly, but in that vein of musical sound). Well, these are only 4 songs off the album, so we’ll see.

  • snlw

    Really enjoyed reading this thread except for a few posts… But I’ve been waiting for Q3 to post something since she might have been there in person. Did I miss her posts/comments?

  • Truthiness

    I just feel like these songs present Kris as a kind of a hopped-up version of who he REALLY is as an artist and person. It’s not the side of Kris I really enjoy or connect with. But again’ ¦this is just my preliminary opinion based on these vids.

    But Kris did rock out on AI, well kinda as it didn’t work out really well. But Kris was doing the rock band stuff on his own before AI and indeed he learned an electric guitar first, and then picked up the acoustic. On tour he seemed to have the most fun rocking out with ATTTID and BL. So for me personally I think that Kris is being very authentic with these songs. Obviously you don’t, so cool. But I do think that these songs are an authentic side to Kris.

    That being said, yeah, I was kind of bummed to hear there wasn’t going to be a more Falling Slowly kind of song on his album, that and ANS are my sweetest spot with Kris. But he will have a ballad on it, so I’m looking forward to hearing it.

    Still not a huge fan of WAOMF, not surprised to have read later that it’s another Script writers number, though this time with Kris. I just don’t think they and I gel musically.

    Okay, I haven’t seen one of the better versions of Before We Come Undone yet, so I’m off to do that. But think that Can’t Stay Away is going to remain my fave.

  • IdolThoughts

    So for me personally I think that Kris is being very authentic with these songs. Obviously you don’t, so cool. But I do think that these songs are an authentic side to Kris.

    You have a good point. Maybe authentic isn’t the right word. It’s not like the kid is trying to be a rapper. Let me restate and say that these songs, for me, do not showcase Kris Allen at his best. They’re just kind of outside his wheel house. The words are coming out of his mouth too fast for me. I too like the Falling Slowly side that dips down into his lower register and kind of rises and falls. Strained, poppy Kris is not my fave. But, to each his own.

  • carolinacharms

    Jive is doing their thing.

  • http://MJO judes

    Idolthoughts, that’s why I like Before We Come Undone because it showcases all sides of Kris. The deep smooth lower register voice in the verses & the enthusiastic higher voice & positive vibe in the choruses!!Something for all tastes of music!!

  • Starr

    I think that as a Kris fan, one can sum up our feelings as such: For the most part we are ecstatic that Kris finally gets to put out an album, and that he really seemed to enjoy working on it, and currently performing them around the country. There is a part of his fanbase who will love whatever he puts out – may it be his style or not. There are those, especially casual AI watchers, who only voted for Kris because they believed he would put out a unique album – something bluesy, folksy, ultimately something that tilted in the direction of say, a Jason Mraz, John Mayer, or Jack Johnson. This genre (of Mraz and Mayer) is known for clever lyrics, a lot of musical heart and a lot of unconventional yet still familiar sounds. It’s natural for fans to want the best for Kris, and there are many who believe that going straight for this bluesy, folksy direction would be affirmation of their investment in Kris during the American Idol competition.

    However, oftentimes fans feel like they own the artists they like. Sometimes we don’t understand that artists need a jumping off point to get to somewhere, and they can’t always just churn out whatever experimental sound they want. In order for them to make music, they have to sell – it’s a harsh music business out there, but it’s still a business. Once an artist goes through that first hurdle of giving the label what they want while keeping themselves in the music so as to connect with it when they perform, it usually gets much easier for them to have that creative freedom.

    So in a nutshell, while I wanted Kris to go down the route of folksy artists like Ryan Adams and Ray LaMontagne in the beginning, I think that it’s smart for him to explore a poppier, more mainstream sound. Not only smart, but maybe important, because one’s fanbase is always growing, and once you have people on board for a big pop album, you’ll get them on board for your future stuff. I am very happy with Kris’s current songs and I think he will continue to surprise us. We haven’t even heard the slower songs on the album yet (like “Red Guitar” or “I Need to Know”), so we should take a step back before we pass judgment. I believe that this album is 100% Kris, and although people will say that it’s not his style, maybe it IS and we just haven’t seen it yet, much like when Kris performed during Rock Week and his performance of “Come Together” was panned by the critics and judges, even though I personally thought he took to the challenge the most by changing the arrangement of the song.

    Whew. Sorry for the long-winded post everyone. I just couldn’t reply to every single one of your great posts so I thought I would do a general post instead.

  • carolinacharms

    FROM HDD: http://www.hitsdailydouble.com/vibe/vibe.cgi?rank5

    Kris Allen
    19/Jive/JLG

    album: Kris Allen
    track: Live Like We’re Dying

    HDD VIBE-RATERS RANK #5:

    Season 8 Idol winner seeing huge love at Pop and Hot Adult: Z100, WPLJ, WTMX, WXXL, WPRO, KRBE, WWWQ, tons more. LP hitting 11/17. Marco Puig directed vid in post production. GMA 11/17, Regis & Kelly 11/18, taping Ellen 11/19, Conan to follow. Radio promo events all of December. Tons of press. Mgmt: Stirling McIlwaine/19 Ent.

  • Starr

    I was watching the videos again and I keep thinking that Kris’s lead guitar player, Andrew, looks like Adam Brody from The O.C.

  • Dallas

    Wow! You don’t usually find me here in the Kris threads but thought I would post about Can’t Stay Away.

    I FLOVE Rob Thomas, Maroon 5 and Gavin Degraw. This song fits right into that category and I WILL BE BUYING THIS SONG. I LOVE IT!!!

    Yea KRIS! Salut!

  • Truthiness

    I too like the Falling Slowly side that dips down into his lower register and kind of rises and falls. Strained, poppy Kris is not my fave. But, to each his own.

    Yeah, he was sounding a bit strained at times, but I didn’t think it was that bad and what I expect with more rock sounding songs. What I noticed for the first time was that “whine,” in his voice that someone mentioned here and that I’m going to admit, dismissed because it came from someone who seems to not like Kris at all, so I just put that to being part of that. But I will say I did hear it a bit on a few songs. It didn’t really annoy me and I’m not saying it’s bad, it just struck me that I understood what they were talking about for the first time.

    thought I would post about Can’t Stay Away.

    …I WILL BE BUYING THIS SONG. I LOVE IT!!!

    I love it too, and I will so be buying this song, as well! Well if they didn’t muck it up in the studio. They better not! Is all I’m saying.

    I’m not the fan of Before We Come Undone that others here seem to be. I like it, but don’t love it. It is a bit blandy/obvious at parts. But again, good song and sooo much better than LLWD.

  • Nico

    I have to admit I haven’t seen Kris on AI but I listened to his studio songs and watched youtube.

    I didn’t expect this from him. I understand that Jive wants to make money from them, but why make him like this, when he can be quite successful being this John Meyer-type of musician.

    The only song I liked was Before We Come Undone – maybe the songs in nothing unique but it’s perfect for him and it’s really good, suits his vocal abilities and the way he sings. The other three are a mess. In LLWD he sounded just like The Script (but it was The Script’s song), in the other one he’s a copy of Gavin DeGraw and in the last one – a not so good copy of Maroon5. Kris is to laid back to be funky and sell it. Kris has it own sound and should stick to it, because it’s a good sound. Copying other styles that are trademarks of other artists won’t end good for him. Not good Jive, not good

  • gemini1

    Well since Kris co-wrote 2/3 of the new songs he performed, I think he is showing us who he really is as an artist and a person.

    Kris only “co-wrote” one of the songs he performed on this day. One is a Britney cover, one a Script cover, one the Script wrote, and another he co-wrote. The other song was from another set of writers. (can’t remember who they were) One out of five.

  • Seeker

    “Idolthoughts, that’s why I like Before We Come Undone because it showcases all sides of Kris. The deep smooth lower register voice in the verses & the enthusiastic higher voice & positive vibe in the choruses!!Something for all tastes of music!!”
    - judes

    I T A!!! I know everyone’s hooked on CSA… but for me.. it’s this song. STUCK in my head! — Flove how it starts slowly and deep… then JUST LIFTS UP in the chorus (which is sooo effing catchy). Love the ending of the song, where the music just dies out and it’s Just Kris and his vocals and just pure raw emotion! Very ‘Apologize’ like endiing on AI.

    This song completely captures Kris’s strongest ability – Takeing a catchy hook or chorus and transforming it into something meaningful. It won’t just get stuck in ur head… you will feel something everytime u hear it.

    “Still not a huge fan of WAOMF, not surprised to have read later that it’s another Script writers number, though this time with Kris. I just don’t think they and I gel musically. ”

    Truthiness. I hear ya! Kris did not collaborate on either song. He did meet up with the writers in UK but no writing credit for the song. I think Kris Fans will probably notice that CSA & BWCU have a ‘Kris’ feel to them but LLWD & WAOMF don’t as much. Though They are very catchy numbers and deserve to be a hit.

    And I’m suprised ppl really expected to Kris go Johnson, Mraz or Mayer way… (I can see Jason castro taking this route but Kris… he has lot more range and variation to do just acoustic/soul/folksie/pop*)
    *even though i love the genre

    I always knew he was more of the Fray, Gavin Degraw, David Gray, MB20,One R, KOL type singer, just with more soul and more edge.

    I’ve followed Kris throughout Idol, then through the Idol tour… I’ve heard alot of his interviews in which he clearly states that he does not want to be stuck in ‘a’ genre be it Acoustic Folk/ Soul or Pop/Rock & second… He wants to surprise ppl.

    AND wow STARR… you’ve delurked with avengence!! LOVE IT!

  • Seeker

    gemini1
    October 26, 2009 at 8:07 pm
    Well since Kris co-wrote 2/3 of the new songs he performed, I think he is showing us who he really is as an artist and a person.

    Kris only ‘co-wrote’  one of the songs he performed on this day. One is a Britney cover, one a Script cover, one the Script wrote, and another he co-wrote. The other song was from another set of writers. (can’t remember who they were) One out of five.

    Kris co-wrote TWO of the 5 songs ;)

    “Before We Come Undone’  (Kris Allen, Lindy Robbins, Greg Kurstin) (Produced by: Produced by Greg Kurstin for SK1 Productions)

    ‘Can’t Stay Away’  (Kris Allen, Lindy Robbins, Mike Elizondo) (Produced by Mike Elizondo)

    DID NOT CO-WRITE:
    ‘Written All Over My Face’  (Steve Kipner, Andrew Frampton, Danny O’Donoghue, Mark Sheehan) (Produced by: Produced by Andrew Frampton & Steve Kipner)

    ‘Live Like We’re Dying’  (Steve Kipner, Andrew Frampton, Danny O’Donoghue, Mark Sheehan) (Produced by: Produced by Andrew Frampton & Steve Kipner)

    *Lindy Robbins —- I’m so glad you did not suck!!! You’ve out done urself!!!

  • erinnthered

    Well since Kris co-wrote 2/3 of the new songs he performed, I think he is showing us who he really is as an artist and a person. He is not locked into just one style. As Randy stated, he is a potpourri of styles.

    THANK YOU! Nice to see that someone gets it!

    Most decent artists are multi-faceted, but I truly believe that this represents what Kris wants us to see. It’s who he is as an artist. No hoping, wanting, or expecting will change that.

    This is Idol. I know people have been trying to tell you newbies for a while that hoping for anything unique or musically ground-breaking was going to leave you burned in the end. If Kris wanted to be ground-breaking he never would have gone on Idol. Period. He went on Idol because he wants to sing pop/ rock. That’s exactly what we got.

    Having said that, I’m sure you’ll all get plenty of goodies at his smaller live shows. He’s the kind of guy who can mix it up, and I’m sure he will.

    Starr, excellent point about “owning the artists.” That’s a constant issue within Idol fandom because of the structure of the show. Anyone who finds themselves using words like “my” and “our” and “that’s not what I wanted” need to stop and think about what they are saying. Still, I understand where you are. I was you a few years ago. It’s okay. The thing is, you’re going to get burned. I know from experience. Ask mj, or any of the people who’ve been around a while. We’ve all thought that the first album was a “jumping off point” because he/she needs “to sell themselves first.” It’s not true. It’s never been true. He won’t give you what you want. If you can’t enjoy what he’s putting out for what it is, then he’s probably not going to be your favorite artist. The truth is, Kris will be okay with that. If you only buy a few songs on iTunes and maybe catch a live show every other tour, he won’t be disappointed. It’s a hard thing to let go of. Especially to see others thoroughly enjoying what you find to be kinda meh.

    Also, sorry, but John Mayer’s first album was not an artistic masterpiece by any means. I do love his music, but I would never call it ground-breaking or experimental. I was working in a music store when Room for Squares came out, and initially the reaction was terrible. Pete Yorn had just released his first major label album, and we used to call him “Pete Yorn lite” and “Pete Yorn for tweens.” It took a few singles and some time for many of us to warm up to him. Glad I did, though. He’s blossomed into a very credible musician.

    I heard the better Before We Come Undone audio. It’s…a bit pitchy dawg…I think I’ll have to reserve judgment on this one.

    ETA: Okay. I’ve come to the conclusion Kris needs a new drummer. Sorry. The rest of the band sounds really competent, but the slightly off tempo beats and lack of originality are bugging. I hope it’s just a bad day for this guy, or a lack of rehearsal, but I’m not impressed.

  • Seeker

    *Lindy Robbins ‘”- I’m so glad you did not suck!!! You’ve out done urself!!!

    (In addition)
    Two of the three Lindy Robbins co-writen songs from the Album are out!!! And they did not suck… Infact they were AWESOME!!!

  • ross

    There are those, especially casual AI watchers, who only voted for Kris because they believed he would put out a unique album ‘“ something bluesy, folksy, ultimately something that tilted in the direction of say, a Jason Mraz, John Mayer, or Jack Johnson.

    And I’m suprised ppl really expected to Kris go Johnson, Mraz or Mayer way’ ¦ (I can see Jason castro taking this route but Kris’ ¦ he has lot more range and variation to do just acoustic/soul/folksie/pop*)
    *even though i love the genre

    I always knew he was more of the Fray, Gavin Degraw, David Gray, MB20,One R, KOL type singer, just with more soul and more edge.

    Kris has said his influences were Michael Jackson, Stevie Wonder, Boys II Men, when he was younger, and people like Gavin Degraw later on. In his AI bio he listed Jamie Cullem (young jazz singer and pianist) as his favorite male artist.

    When I first saw him on AI, some of his early performances were Man In The Mirror, Do You Remember The Time, How Sweet It Is, To Make You Feel My Love, and a funky All She Wants To Do Is Dance. None of this made me think of blues or folk. I guess he did one great, bluesy number (An’t No Sunshine) , but what did he ever do that was folk, in any way?

    His other solo performances were Falling Slowly, She Works Hard For The Money, The Way You Look Tonight, Come Together, Apologize, Heartless, What’s Goin’ On, and NoBo.

    To me he was always going in a direction I would call pop rock with some definite r & b, funk, and jazz influences. Not unlike what he performed Sunday. Based on AI and the tour, the music he’s doing is
    just about what I expected and hoped he’d be doing. I’m sure he had to compromise in some ways, but not in any really major ways.

  • lizziegs

    I like Kris’ new direction and will be buying the album (well already did on pre-order but maybe now I will buy two!).

    Oh, and btw Carolinacharms? – please note that Kris is a kind, loving and Christian man who would be deeply ashamed of the disgusting hate and vitriol you spew all over the Adam threads. I know for a fact he would be horrified to have you as a fan.

  • erinnthered

    Totally agree, ross. He even said his album would have a “rock” sound. Nothing unexpected, really.

    Kris only ‘co-wrote’  one of the songs he performed on this day. One is a Britney cover, one a Script cover, one the Script wrote, and another he co-wrote. The other song was from another set of writers. (can’t remember who they were) One out of five.

    Can I just point out that that one he co-wrote is the best received of the songs he performed? That has to be a good sign.

    ETA: So, you pointed out that it was two, but my comment still stands. It seems his writing abilities have direction, and both songs have gotten positive feedback from fans.

    Still, I think they (Kris and “his people”) selected these songs because they showcase the album. Probably also to see reactions for possible second singles…please, please, please go with Can’t Stay Away! I have to believe that these are representative of Kris’ sound regardless of who wrote them.

    I think that’s what the discussion is about. His musical direction. Why fake out his first major live audience? I doubt the rest of the album differs too much from the direction of these four songs. I’m just glad there is a direction. No musical schizophrenia here. Yay!

  • Starr

    erinnthered
    October 26, 2009 at 8:24 pm
    Well since Kris co-wrote 2/3 of the new songs he performed, I think he is showing us who he really is as an artist and a person. He is not locked into just one style. As Randy stated, he is a potpourri of styles.

    THANK YOU! Nice to see that someone gets it!

    Most decent artists are multi-faceted, but I truly believe that this represents what Kris wants us to see. It’s who he is as an artist. No hoping, wanting, or expecting will change that.

    This is Idol. I know people have been trying to tell you newbies for a while that hoping for anything unique or musically ground-breaking was going to leave you burned in the end. If Kris wanted to be ground-breaking he never would have gone on Idol. Period. He went on Idol because he wants to sing pop/ rock. That’s exactly what we got.

    Having said that, I’m sure you’ll all get plenty of goodies at his smaller live shows. He’s the kind of guy who can mix it up, and I’m sure he will.

    Starr, excellent point about ‘owning the artists.’  That’s a constant issue within Idol fandom because of the structure of the show. Anyone who finds themselves using words like ‘my’  and ‘our’  and ‘that’s not what I wanted’  need to stop and think about what they are saying. Still, I understand where you are. I was you a few years ago. It’s okay. The thing is, you’re going to get burned. I know from experience. Ask mj, or any of the people who’ve been around a while. We’ve all thought that the first album was a ‘jumping off point’  because he/she needs ‘to sell themselves first.’  It’s not true. It’s never been true. He won’t give you what you want. If you can’t enjoy what he’s putting out for what it is, then he’s probably not going to be your favorite artist. The truth is, Kris will be okay with that. If you only buy a few songs on iTunes and maybe catch a live show every other tour, he won’t be disappointed. It’s a hard thing to let go of. Especially to see others thoroughly enjoying what you find to be kinda meh.

    Also, sorry, but John Mayer’s first album was not an artistic masterpiece by any means. I do love his music, but I would never call it ground-breaking or experimental. I was working in a music store when Room for Squares came out, and initially the reaction was terrible. Pete Yorn had just released his first major label album, and we used to call him ‘Pete Yorn lite’  and ‘Pete Yorn for tweens.’  It took a few singles and some time for many of us to warm up to him. Glad I did, though. He’s blossomed into a very credible musician.

    I heard the better Before We Come Undone audio. It’s’ ¦a bit pitchy dawg’ ¦I think I’ll have to reserve judgment on this one.

    ETA: Okay. I’ve come to the conclusion Kris needs a new drummer. Sorry. The rest of the band sounds really competent, but the slightly off tempo beats and lack of originality are bugging. I hope it’s just a bad day for this guy, or a lack of rehearsal, but I’m not impressed.

    erin: I think you are somewhat missing my point. I do enjoy what he is putting out, I believe I’ve put that down emphatically here haha. What I was trying to say (albeit a bit ineloquently) with the “jumping off point” part was that usually artists (not just on Idol) need that one album that will be a departure from what they are used to musically, and that a lot of people might question. This seems to be what is happening to Kris. A lot of people are pleased, but some aren’t, as you can see from some of the posts on this board clamoring about the disappearance of the acoustic/pop/soul Kris. For instance, Dashboard Confessional released the album “Dusk and Summer”, which was practically devoid of the traditional acoustic stuff Dashboard was known for and which garnered a huge following in the beginning. There were fans who were turned off by the departure, claiming Dashboard was losing the authentic sound that made them great. I personally thought Dusk and Summer was a great album and showcased a much different version to Chris Carabba both musically and lyrically, and I appreciated that,

    My point is: You are right in trying to pass on some wisdom to us Idol newbies by giving us the advice of not expecting everything we want to be reflected in the albums of whoever we voted for. However, it’s not necessarily bad for a fan to criticize some of the things their Idol does. To me that is not being close-minded or snobbish or whatever, it’s just wanting the best for their Idol. And yes, what we consider the best is not necessarily what is really the best thing for the singer. I’m just saying it’s not fair to tell people to shush when they are not perfectly happy with a singer’s output. Instead of telling them to shush, it might be better to point out what makes the album an addition to the singer’s body of work, instead of dwelling on what “should have been” the album. I think when people have great expectations for an artist, it’s a good thing. Sure, they get burned, but that pretty much came with the territory. I had never been a fan of American Idol before, but I knew going into this that there would be a big possibility my expectations would either be met, exceeded or let down. Basically, I know I will get burned if I expect too much, but I expect a lot nonetheless! :D

    Hope that made sense.

    As for John Mayer’s debut album, we’ll agree to disagree. I’m a big fan of Pete Yorn as well, and although I can see some similarities with John Mayer, I’d have to disagree that they sound alike. I never said John Mayer was a pioneer in his genre of music when he released Room For Squares. However, I felt like for a debut album, it was a pretty strong feat. But like I said, to each his own :)

  • Starr

    @ross: I don’t think that, when fans say they want himto go down the folk/singer-songwriter/acoustic-pop (insert genre here) whatever genre, it’s always necessarily sound-wise. Personally, what I meant when I say I had expected him to go down a Ryan Adams route, was more career-wise and production wise. I think a lot of people mean that they want Kris to be less produced, probably have less of the band involved (I remember the whole thing with people complaining about Kris being oveshadowed by bandzilla during Idol), probably have less collaborations, whatever. I guess you can say it has more to do with people being jaded with the music industry and fearing that someone they like is going to be “corrupted” or pushed around or whatever by the bad bigwigs in the music biz. It’s a legitimate concern; like when some people were disappointed by the overall studio recording of “She Works Hard for the Money” and “Heartless”.

    Yes, I admit, I am one of these people who wrote a fan letter to Kris telling him to stay true to himself – even though I know Kris has a strong voice, even though he comes off as quiet and reserved, he knows who he is and isn’t afraid to push the boundaries (Noooo boundariessss wahaha :D).

    The bottom line is: I love these new songs and I cannot wait for the album. In the now immortal words of Kanye West: “October, I’m really happy for you and i’mma letchu finish, but November 17 needs to come right now!” “D

  • julieitis

    ‘October, I’m really happy for you and i’mma letchu finish, but November 17 needs to come right now!’ 

    ROFL, this is especially funny because IT’S SO TRUE.

  • erinnthered

    Starr, I’m not sure where you got the idea I was telling you, or anyone, to “shush.” If you did. I may have misunderstood you. All I’m saying is that there’s a difference between “I’m not a fan of that” and “That’s not what I wanted from him.” The former is just a criticism, the latter is a product of that “ownership” you discussed earlier.

    No one is telling anyone here that they can’t have whatever opinion they want. I’ve said repeatedly that if anyone, you included, don’t like the songs that that’s fine, but that not liking them is not a reason to wish Kris into a box he may not want to be in. That goes way further than having big expectations.

    I also resent you using words like “closed-minded” and “snobbish.” I certainly never implied that you anyone here were either, and I certainly never used those words. If you are mistaking me for someone else, that’s okay, but please don’t put words in my mouth.

    Believe me, I’ve met snobbish music fans (and used to be one), and anyone who even gives two seconds to listen to an AI contestant would never qualify. lol

    As far John Mayer…YMMV on any artist, as it always does, but my comment was specifically because you did use the words “experimental” and “ground-breaking” to describe aspects of Room for Squares, and my opinion is that it is neither of those two. Good is one thing. Equating John Mayer to a sort of poppier type of Radiohead is another. Like I said, I love him now, and began to love him shortly after Room for Squares was released. I’m just saying, he’s no innovator.

    ETA: I also don’t really see the “clamoring” you’re talking about. I do see a few loud voices who are disappointed, but overall, most seem to be pleased and unsurprised – or pleasantly surprised – by his music. I think this is another case of – and I am just as guilty of it – seeing what you expect or want to see. It’s an easy thing to do. From the outside, it doesn’t appear the same. Again, I’ve sooo been there, and I’m just as guilty of it. I just don’t think this mass disappointment in Kris’ direction is there. It’s no larger than any other year. In fact, I’d say it’s much smaller than most years.

  • TwigLA

    I’ve enjoyed reading all the comments here and the opinions. I am loving what I’m hearing from Kris and looking forward to hearing more.

    Starr, your Kanye impersonation made me laugh.

    Seeing a better closeup of Chris the bass player … I’d almost swear I saw him at my gas station the other week. Maybe following this is just messing with my head.

  • Starr

    @erin: My response to your post was not meant to be offensive. From what I had been reading from your posts, you and I agree on pretty much the gist of things. I apologize if you thought I was putting words in your mouth when I was saying “snobbish” and “close-minded”; I have a tendency to think and post out loud (read: ramble) and it was more of me analyzing things than responding to something specific that you said.

    I admit I may have chosen my words poorly when I seemed to imply that you were shushing people, when you were really just doling out advice as a seasoned American Idol follower. That was not my intention. I did feel like in some of your posts you kept repeating that we (new Idoloonies, as Michael Slezak of EW would put it) would “get burned” because we seemed to have this idealistic mindset of what we hoped for our American Idol contestants. I merely wanted to point out that while some of us are new posters and new followers of AI, we aren’t naive (at least here I speak for myself, I can’t speak for everyone else) enough to think that what we expect of Kris will come to pass.

    Re the John Mayer thing: Like I said, we will agree to disagree. I can only use my experience as an example when I post and at the point of my life when I discovered John Mayer’s music, he did not sound like the conventional stuff that was on the radio, hence my use of the words “experimental” and “ground-breaking”. And call me cynical, but at the time Mayer released Room for Squares, he was pretty young, 23-if I am not mistaken (same age as when Kris won AI). And when I heard Room for Squares, to me it sounded more mature than what any other 23-year-old in the music business was churning out on the radio. My point is: for someone new to the music biz and relatively young as a solo musician, Mayer did not seem to have to compromise much for his debut album. And once again, I reiterate: this was my interpretation of it, and you can disagree because this is not set in stone and we all have different opinions.

    And we can’t all agree on who is an innovator in music. Experts will have their opinion on who has really left their mark or who were pioneers, but everyone else will have their own formed opinions about who they feel really matters in the music industry. We can probably reach a broad consensus as to who the big people are, but we all have different tastes in music and we are bound to disagree on certaina artists being considered pioneers and experimentalists, etc.

    Re the “clamoring” – once again, excuse my poor choice of words. I agree with you and for the most part among his fans I have seen nothing but them embracing Kris’s new songs. Again, didn’t mean anything bad with what I posted; just saying that while the general atmosphere seems to be that people love, like or meh the new songs, there are some people who are disappointed (yours truly, of course, not among the bunch, I love the new songs) and I outlined the reasons why they might be above.

  • snlw

    Not sure you guys have seen this “Kris Allen Prank Call with Y100″ yet
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Tz3dArTuek
    It’s too funny! Enjoy!

  • SarahP

    erinnthered and starr! you guys have become my heroes :) keep up the healthy debate

    and arrrghhh! why do i have to be at work today of all days when i want to read all the comments here??? just when a kris thread has expounded and exploded, i have a million things piled on my desk.

    oh well, i’ll get back here during lunch break and enjoy!

    I was watching the videos again and I keep thinking that Kris’s lead guitar player, Andrew, looks like Adam Brody from The O.C.

    come to think of it, yeah he does. he’s a bit mellow for a lead guitarist though

  • Starr

    SarahP
    October 27, 2009 at 1:10 am
    erinnthered and starr! you guys have become my heroes keep up the healthy debate

    and arrrghhh! why do i have to be at work today of all days when i want to read all the comments here??? just when a kris thread has expounded and exploded, i have a million things piled on my desk.

    oh well, i’ll get back here during lunch break and enjoy!

    I was watching the videos again and I keep thinking that Kris’s lead guitar player, Andrew, looks like Adam Brody from The O.C.

    come to think of it, yeah he does. he’s a bit mellow for a lead guitarist though

    Thanks, SarahP. It’s a lot of fun talking to like-minded people who share a thinly-veiled obsession for all things Kris Allen hahaha

  • Seeker

    snlw – LOL…. I did!!!! “Kris Allen sounds like Clay Aiken!” (Erm NO!! I don’t think soo!!) LOL — “Don’t Lie to me now!”

    Also

    “but what did he ever do that was folk, in any way?”

    Ross – My reference to Folk – as in soul/pop/acoustic/folk – I just inserted a random genre often associated with acoustic music… and it was more in reference to JCastro (who did do some folksie stuff on AI). I should have specified… In no stretch of imagination did Kris do Folksy stuff on AI. It was more soulful/pop stuff.

  • erinnthered

    I did feel like in some of your posts you kept repeating that we (new Idoloonies, as Michael Slezak of EW would put it) would ‘get burned’  because we seemed to have this idealistic mindset of what we hoped for our American Idol contestants. I merely wanted to point out that while some of us are new posters and new followers of AI, we aren’t naive (at least here I speak for myself, I can’t speak for everyone else) enough to think that what we expect of Kris will come to pass.

    Far enough, but you have to admit, saying you might want to tone down your expectations is a far cry from saying you should tone down your criticisms.

    I totally get what you’re saying about perspective, and how it effects your impressions of an artist, but I do think there are some objective ways to identify innovators. Especially in music and visual art. There really isn’t a huge difference of opinion on most musical innovators. Again, it’s one thing to say someone opened your eyes to a whole new form of music, than to say that they influenced the way music is made. I just think that’s an important distinction…one that a lot of AI fans (and I don’t mean you) could stand to learn.

    There will always be disappointed fans when any artist releases new music. I do think it can be magnified within a fanbase, but not all fans will be fans of everything. AI related, or not. I don’t mean to say that criticism in the “this kinda sucks ’cause it’s not my style” way is wrong, at all. I’m really just going back to the ownership issue. It’s when people start saying things about what they wanted or expected, or make statements about a person’s state of mind whom they’ve never met. That’s when I think it crosses a line.

    erinnthered and starr! you guys have become my heroes :) keep up the healthy debate

    Thanks, SarahP. It’s nice to know we aren’t just a couple of people off arguing in a corner. lol

  • TwigLA

    snlw
    October 27, 2009 at 12:59 am
    Not sure you guys have seen this ‘Kris Allen Prank Call with Y100′ ³ yet
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Tz3dArTuek
    It’s too funny! Enjoy!

    Oh that was hilarious! Thank you so much! I need to hear it again.

  • cookcricket

    Hi TwigLA, I see you hunted down this page too. ;)

    That prank call was hilarious!! I was literally LOLing throughout it. Then I walked away from my computer for a few moments and had LLWD in my head, just from the snippet on the interview! This may be a Script song, but it’s Kris’s voice and take on it that I lurve so much!!!

    erinnthered, I completely understand what you’re saying (or at least I think I do). Last yr. my expectations were huge for DC and when I heard LO, I was disappointed immediately. It’s grown on me since. (DCTR has some gems on it though, imo) This yr. I went into this thing with no (or little) expectations from Kris and have, so far, been pleasantly surprised!!! I keep wondering if it was the expectation level or if these songs suit my taste more. Don’t get me wrong, I still adore DC and he’ll always be at the top of the list for me.

    And since we’ve referred to Kris past this first album already, I must say I’m looking forward to DC’s second album which he has started working on. I’ll see how my expectations affect me this time around…

    I too love the analysis and debates! This has been a fun thread!!!! :)

  • happygolucky

    Before We Come Undone better sound quality,

    Enjoy!!!!

    Thanks for this. I had to figure how to autorepeat Youtube Videos because of this song. This one is my favorite so far. This one has the “Since U Been Gone” effect on me – I’m jumping up and down on the chorus part. Yes, it was pitchy at the beginning but it was the first live performance of this song so Kris will definitely improve on this.