Kris Allen – Horizon Album Cover Art and Snippets! (AUDIO) (PHOTO)

kris-allen-horizons1

Kris Allen’s 3rd post-Idol studio album, Horizons, will be out officially on August 12. But, you can hear snippets from the American Idol Season 8 winner’s upcoming a album at Amazon right now!

Click to Listen to Snippets of Horizon

The album was produced by Charlie Peacock, who also helmed award winning albums by the Civil Wars.

UDPATE:  Horizons will be available for pre-order at ITunes beginning July 8 and will include an instant download of the first single, “Prove it To You,” via Kris on Instagram.

Read more:

Horizon” Set for August 12 Release
Kris Allen Shares Thoughts on His Upcoming Album
Kris Allen Performs New Songs – Natick Center For the Arts – VIDEOS

Are you excited for Horizons?

Track List

1. Young Love (“Paul Simon”)
2. Prove It to You (feat. Lenachka)
3. Beautiful & Wild
4. In Time
5. Lost
6. Don’t Set Me Free
7. Everybody Just Wants to Dance
8. Parachute
9. It’s Always You
10. Girl Across the Room

  • Corrine43180

    Is dogbear records Kris’s own label? Interesting name either way :)

    Lost and Young Love (Paul Simon) sound interesting, I like

    Two idols with two songs named Parachute in 1 year :)

    Congrats Kris fans!!

  • MargieIdol

    I hate judging songs based on snippets but I can’t pick a favourite yet. Thanks for posting so quickly MJ – especially during the soccer game!

  • heartly

    It’s so hard to tell anything based on 30 secs, but I have a feeling In Time is going to be a favorite of mine.

  • Face

    songs generally seem very stripped back and bare… not quite what I expected… I always preferred his sweeping melodies and soaring choruses… maybe it’s a grower?

  • tripp_ncwy

    Kris Allen @KrisAllen
    NEW ALBUM COVER FOR “HORIZONS”- AVAILABLE FOR PREORDER ON ITUNES JULY 8th. Preorder the album and you’ll instantly receive the first single off the record “Prove It to You” #Horizons #Aug12 #ProveItToYou instagram.com/p/p7CLq7Sy-G/

    ETA: Yes he is a little late.

  • disqus_l9306FWZtD

    I love Parachute – I was disappointed when it didn’t make his last album.

  • NCshopgirl

    I love what I’ve heard so far!! Very excited to get this album in my hands!

  • tripp_ncwy

    Different Parachute from the demo.

  • Liteasy

    Do not like the cover at all – too washed out.

  • Pippygirl

    Those are some annoyingly short snippets! I’m liking the new songs, especially Prove It To You and Lost. I’m anxious to hear the complete songs for sure.
    As for the cover, as a Kris fan, I’ve come to accept that he is never going to try and take advantage of his hotness lol.

  • GinnyT

    Yeah! Very excited for Kris Allen’s new album. ????????????Been waiting for all the details. The new songs I have heard are great. Looking forward to tours for Horizons. ? u Kris & your music.

  • vtu

    1. I like the cover.
    2. The snippets are way too short (but so far so good).
    3. Sooo excited by the prospect of a brand new song just one week from today! :)

  • tripp_ncwy

    For those who don’t know her, this is Lenachka; http://www.lenachka.com/lenachka

  • disqus_l9306FWZtD

    Yes – I know. I liked Kris’ demo version of 2012 Parachute better. Oh well. Love In Time and Prove it to You.

  • girlygirl

    I think the cover art works well with the album title.

    I really liked the snippets. Prove It To You sounds like a good choice to be the 1st single.

  • disqus_l9306FWZtD

    Oops

  • jasmine1111

    I can’t believe I was finally able to log in! I haven’t successfully logged in for several months. Must be because of my excitement after hearing the snippets of Kris’ songs. Each song sounds catchy, fun, and musical. I particularly like Young Love & Beautiful and Wild. I didn’t really think I’d like this album as well as Thank You Camellia, but I think I’m gonna be wrong. His songwriting skills just continue to improve. As for the cover, I agree with the person who said he’ll never show off his hotness, but the cover looks artsy and soulful, just like the songs.

  • Baptized

    I think he’s trying to sound too much like Ed Sheeran to be honest.

  • Eilonwy_has_an_emu

    Naah, I didn’t get an Ed Sheeran vibe off the snippets. If anything, the style’s less folk-influenced than I’d expected from the new portrait and the choice of Charlie Peacock.

    While KA doesn’t especially float my boat, he doesn’t move me to rage like any amount of Ed Sheeran does.

  • snappp

    Kris said on his site that James Taylor was his influence/inspiration while doing this album.

  • Miz

    I think Kris sounds like Kris. But I like Ed Sheeran, so I guess that is a compliment.

  • Miz

    She has a beautiful voice. Good collaboration.

  • Miz

    Hard to tell from the very short snippets.

  • Miz

    ‘In Time’ is definitely my favorite.

  • Miz

    I’m thrilled that I’ll be able to pre-order on iTunes next Tuesday AND get the first single when I do. That is a nice surprise.

    ‘Prove It To You’ sounds very pretty in the snippet and I can’t wait to hear the full song. I’m liking (loving?) all the songs from what I can hear. Paul Simon was a favorite from the very first time I heard him play it live. For this record, I still think ‘In Time’ will be my overall favorite. I just love everything about that song.

    Looking forward to all the songs. Only disappointment is that there are only 10.

  • Karen C

    Funny, when I first heard Ed Sheeran, he reminded me of Kris. I think they are a similar type of artist, but Kris was this type before Ed Sheeran became popular.

  • MissMyEm

    I think it’s hard to tell much about a song from a snippet but several of the songs have been played at Kris’ shows. I think my favorite is still Don’t Set Me Free, but I love In Time, because the lyrics are so poignant no matter how you choose to interpret them. Surprised he’s making the duet the first single but I imagine there is a reason for this. I also love Paul Simon aka Young Love. So many good songs on the CD. I’m thrilled the CD will be here soon and that we can order it through so many outlets. I also have to say that I’m glad the songs are not over produced and Charlie Peacock sure knew what he was doing by making Kris’ voice shine through.

  • MissMyEm

    LOL and I don’t get why he won’t.

  • MissMyEm

    Yep. So was I disappointed there were only 10.

  • disqus_gferna

    Incredible he won 6 years ago. He looks different, and wearing a “bigote” :). Don’t like the cover, it’s like he doesn’t want to atract young ppl. The snippets are ok, thoug. I’m feeling a country crossover, but maybe I’m wrong. Hopefully he will get the right promo.

  • linsmile

    Love the snippets and I like the cover (a good match for the title). Love the way Kris’ voice featured and not lost in over-production. Can’t wait to hear more; I’m especially curious about Prove It to You.

  • breakdown

    Here’s a video I took of “Paul Simon” quite awhile ago. http://youtu.be/OhPBbT-G2ng

  • Ratna12

    Love the snippets, too short though.
    I still love Beautiful and Wild the most based on these snippets.
    I’m surprised and now intrigued on the single Prove It To You, I’m not quite sold on that one. One more week !

  • krismicklin

    I love the album cover! It fits the title perfectly! I cannot stop listening to the snippets. Even though I have heard 6 of the songs already at his show in February, I love the production on these. Totally thrilled that Everybody Just Wants to Dance made the cut and of course I love Beautiful and Wild, In Time and It’s Always You. “Lost” sounds really interesting and I can’t wait to hear the new single. Sure hope Kris sings some of the songs I haven’t heard yet when I see him on 7/18 and 7/19 at the House of Blues! Cannot wait!

  • S.G.

    I agree with you on one thing, Kris snippets has nothing to do with Ed Sheeran, Sheeran is more Folky while Kris us more pop, rock/alternative. And while I respect your point of view, Ed Sheeran is Ok, But He is not my cup of tea, on the other hand, I am huge on Kris Allen, his music is everything to me. #cant wait for the final release .
    Ps. I totally see the James Taylor influence on Kris new album!

  • krismicklin

    Me too about the 10 songs. Hopefully there will be bonus tracks when we get ready to order.

  • nyc57

    I tried to comment for 3 years and couldn’t until Mj redid the site.I love Thank You Camellia,but having heard several of the songs live last February,i do believe this album will be the best yet.Having a single producer makes a difference too.The album,from what i’ve heard,is more cohesive

  • nyc57

    I think it’s a good choice too from the little we heard.I feel I’m going to love it.Can’t wait until next week,when I can download it.

  • di1987

    What a treat! So glad to hear new music from Kris. I’m very intrigued by the snippets but loving Young Love and Beautiful & Wild the most. The production sounds awesome, I kept getting lost in Kris’ voice only for the snippet to end :( Looking forward to hearing the new single next week!

  • Incipit

    Snippets are Evil, but I’m interested to hear the full length songs. I can tell Kris’s vocals are centered and the lyrics sound intriguing, especially on the last song, even if the tempo is a little too gentle for me on the parts I can hear.

    But the cover, with that Sunspot in the Eye effect, makes him look distorted, like I’m squinting into the sun to see who it is. Not a big fan of that conceit, no matter who does it. JMO.

  • nncw

    Album snippets sound great. I think his voice is very unique and the production really let’s you enjoy his tone, lovely mix with his falsetto. My favorites are Beautiful and Wild and In Time but from the snippets Prove It To You sounds quite intriguing! He is so talented wishing him success with this album.

  • Anna106

    Enjoying the snippets a lot…cover reminds me of P2′s first album cover.

  • MissMyEm

    I agree. I also don’t like the sunspot in the eye effect but I took the meaning to be something like…”it’s a new day as the sun comes up over the horizon” which is more in sync with the title of the CD.

  • Pippygirl

    Well knowing Kris, I’m surprised the sunspot isn’t completely COVERING his face. I guess we should feel lucky. :D

  • Eilonwy_has_an_emu

    Lens flare is a signifier of retro roots, very hipster — because with digital photography, you have to add it back in.

    I’m not sure where the age divide is, but I’m on the “get that out of my eyes” side because I’m old enough to remember when every household owned a camera that shot on film, and most people couldn’t do special effects because that required a dark room and special pencils and filters and such. And photos had to go be developed!

    We should probably be grateful that emulating the old oopsie photos everybody took by accident — out of focus, with heads cut off — hasn’t become a thing.

  • Roimeister

    Lens flare is a signifier of retro roots, very hipster — because with digital photography, you have to add it back in.

    lens flare occurs “naturally” with digital photography… even the best DSLR’s can’t prevent it completely

  • Eilonwy_has_an_emu

    Okay, either it was explained to me wrong or I misunderstood. Maybe digital is so easy to edit that leaving it in is now a big style decision?

    Anyway, the hipster part is true, even though I apparently mangled the technology part.

  • Roimeister

    oh it’s definitely hip

  • Miz

    I love ‘Paul Simon’. It will take me a while before I call it ‘Young Love’ :) This is one of those songs I immediately got stuck in my head.

  • elliegrll

    For me, it’s too much in name only. But I’m not the audience for the hipster crowd.

    ETA: I’m not talking specifically about the picture, just the things that artists are doing now to let people know that they are hip. The artists shouldn’t have to do anything. They are given that label by the public, so if they have to copy what everyone else is doing in order to let people know that they are hip, chance are they probably aren’t.

  • MissMyEm

    True. LOL I never understand it because he’s a handsome guy, which was the first thing I noticed about him, way back when I was still interested in “eye candy” on AI. Hee.

  • CanadianLady

    You just reminded me of my dad, who cut the heads off of pretty well every picture he ever took. I had to take over the camera as early as possible so we had decent photos.

    I’m not a big fan of this type of cover either. It just seems weird to me.

  • Eilonwy_has_an_emu

    But if brand identity is important, deploying the semiotics of hipness is part of the deal.

  • Pippygirl

    Aren’t hipster and American Idol two diametrically opposing things lol? If this is what Kris is going for (and I really have no idea) sounds like an uphill battle.

  • Porfivor Nixon

    Cover is bland, forgettable. He is still not coming across as a star. He lacks confidence.

  • Elaine Burt

    Realistically how is this album going to sell? It seems that even Jennifer Lopez and Mariah Carey have had difficult album sales recently. It is true that artist do not make their money off of album sales anymore, but then they have to sell tickets on tour. Can Kris do either one? We will see.

  • Eilonwy_has_an_emu

    Realistically how is this album going to sell?

    Oh, teeny numbers. That’s a given. Thing is, an indie self-released album isn’t having to cover a whompus Idol-winner advance, so the break-even point is a lot lower.

    It’s probably also not having to cover radio promo costs (which are the biggest line item), if KA’s team has decided radio’s just a non-starter. The worst outcome, financially, is spending on radio promo but not getting spins from it, or not having spins translate to sales. You can end up better off not trying: accepting lower sales, but skipping the loss on promo costs.

    There certainly exist low sales levels at which an artist would lose money, but without knowing a lot more about the cost structure of this album and what, if anything, KA has as a distribution deal, I wouldn’t even try a back-of-the-envelope estimate on this. The margin of error on my guesses would just be too large in relation to the possible costs and sales involved.

    This is why, if an indie album is basically a release to the artist’s fanbase, I don’t bother with any sort of financial analysis or tracking. The available data’s too limited, and really, if the musician’s financial adviser is happy, that covers it. It’s not like a musician can drop himself.

  • tripp_ncwy

    We may find out more next week. Lyndsey Parker has an article/interview with Kris. She has heard the single and she usually gets gets good information out of Kris. He has also done a couple of other interviews, one two hour that hopefully will get posted soon.

  • elliegrll

    Yeah, but it’s fake. Too many of these artists turn their nose up at pop for being contrived, yet they do the same thing. And there’s nothing artistic about doing something just because it is supposed to be the opposite of pop or mainstream, or because every other so called hip artist is doing it.

    I’d rather see something of substance that actually shows who the artist is.

  • Eilonwy_has_an_emu

    Maybe I don’t follow KA closely enough, but nothing about his mild splashing in the hipster pond struck me as fake.

    He’s the right generation. He went to SXSW and got positive coverage there — that’s mega-hipster. He has a French bulldog — that’s hipster. He has a baby — as the Millennials reach 30, that’s becoming a standard coffeehouse accessory. He seems to generally have and enjoy an “old things are neato” vibe — totes hipster. His album was produced by Charlie Peacock — that’s acceptably hip.

    Living in Arkansas is not especially hip, but somebody has to do it, and there are hipsters in places like Sacramento, so it can presumably be done anywhere that has a couple old warehouses and a good coffeehouse. (I have not checked Lompoc — that would be challenging.)

    When I finally looked at KA’s Idol tubies a while back, he seemed to be getting framed as the poor man’s Ryan Tedder, but I can see why he might see himself otherwise and go for a different framing now that he doesn’t have to compromise with a label.

  • tripp_ncwy

    New Kris bio & pics on Fleming. http://flemingartists.com/artists/kris-allen

  • standtotheright

    …”it’s a new day as the sun comes up over the horizon” which is more in sync with the title of the CD.

    Exactly. I don’t think he was reading Umberto Eco before he decided on this composition, I think he wanted to be in front of the horizon because that’s the theme of the album.

    I get critiquing it for being too on the nose, but not as aestheticism for its own sake.

    As for the music: I have a policy against snippets. So I look forward to later streams.

  • elliegrll

    None of my comments were directed at Kris. And while that’s still true, do you actually believe that those outside of the AI bubble who have decided what’s hip and what’s not see Kris Allen as being hip?

    It doesn’t matter, the only thing that does is that Kris makes the music that he wants to make, which I think that he is doing, and that he find an audience for that music.

    It is always a good idea to build up a brand, and have a way for your intended audience to find you. I just don’t buy into a lot of stuff that’s going into the hipster movement, and for some of these people, I don’t read what they are doing as being hip or creative.

  • elliegrll

    I think that it is a given that the album will open well below 6,000 units sold. But to build on what Eilonwy said, I think that for an indie artist the purpose is to introduce more people to the album over time.

  • elliegrll

    I think that the whole point of the cover, and pretty much the point of a lot of the things that Kris has done, is that he doesn’t want to come across as a star. Weeks ago someone described his new pictures as looking like a guy who has to still work a 9 to 5 job, because he’s still trying to break into the industry. That sounds harsh, but I think that Kris would have been fine with that description. Going along with the hipster vibe, I think that Kris has always looked more for acceptance from his peers than from the public, and he’s always wanted to come across as more of an artist than a superstar.

  • wordnerdarchie

    I think he’ll do better than what you’re predicting. Just a gut feeling.

  • girlygirl

    The bio (the full bio is in pdf form at the bottom of the page) is very well written and gives a lot of good info on how the album came together as well as about the sound of some of the songs.

    And the new picture does seem to be going for the “hipster” thing (zoom in on the pants) :)

    Meanwhile, it sounds like Lenatcha may be at Kris’ shows with Andy Grammer. Get to hear the single live?

  • girlygirl

    lol, Kris has plenty of confidence

  • standtotheright

    This is one of those times where some specific examples would help me decide if I agreed or disagreed with your point.

  • Trina

    Didn’t his last album under RCA sell around 15,000 its first week a couple of years ago? I’m thinking he’s going to sell A LOT less than that. 6,000 doesnt sound that unrealistic considering past trends.

  • elliegrll

    I don’t understand how. The second album sold around 16K the first week, and then fell off of the BB 200 after two weeks. Since then, while he’s played a lot of shows there hasn’t been any evidence that he’s gained new fans, or that he’s held on to a lot of the old ones. The Christmas EP didn’t make a dent on the BB 200. And Kris hasn’t built up a presence where a lot of people will even know that the album exists. It would be different if we saw his twitter numbers grow during the last few years, or saw more people coming to his concerts. Or, even if his youtube videos were getting more views. But the relative silence in pretty much all of those areas indicates that the opening numbers are going to be very small.

  • girlygirl

    But His FB followers have consistently grown and so have his instagram followers

    He sold around 17K his 1st week on his last album. So I think a realistic estimate would be somewhere between 5-8.5K this time around. Or a 50-70% drop.

    Of course this is without knowing whether they have any sort of major album launch planned.

  • Tess Herself

    Why wouldn’t Kris want to be a star…is that a designation that is beneath his integrity and dignity? And I don’t ever get the “he is an artist playing to his peers” as a description for someone who has tried to keep his face in the public sphere for the last 6 years by playing pretty much any venue that would give him a stage to perform on and people to sing to.

    Personally, I want my performers to have that “itch”…that drive to succeed, that intense desire to be the best and to have people gravitate to their offerings. Laid back and “artistic” tend, for me, to be word’s used to describe someone who just isn’t quite good enough or hungry enough to really succeed. But if Kris just wants to feed his family and play with being an entertainer…more power to him. No need for me to support a dilettante.

  • Pippygirl

    I’m not sure it’s really fair to make assumptions about Kris’ motivations and personal goals.
    To say he wants to “play with being an entertainer” without any evidence of that is silly, especially when you stated the fact that he has been “playing pretty much any venue that would give him a stage to perform on and people to sing to”.
    That’s more compelling evidence than an album cover imo.

  • elliegrll

    I don’t speak for Kris, but I didn’t say or mean that he doesn’t want to be a star, I said that that is not an image that he wants to promote. He is not going to push the image that he’s something that he’s not. Similar to a lot of artists who want the hipster label, he’s not going to put the focus on his looks or material things. He’d rather be seen as a working artist, and not just someone who is a celebrity.

    I also didn’t say that it was a good or bad thing, or that Kris has been successful in controlling his own narrative, or how he is perceived.

  • Indigobunting

    I don’t like the cover-not very creative and his face is blurred.

    But definitely looking forward to the album, really liked his last one and I’m intrigued by Charlie Peacock as producer

  • lovetheusa1776

    IMO, Kris has confidence in his talent, but there’s some reserve in his personality that restrains him from promoting it or himself.

  • Karen C

    Some musicians do not want to be seen as stars, at least not pop stars, especially rock and alternative rock musicians. Drive to succeed and drive to become a star or celebrity aren’t necessarily the same thing in this case.

    ETA: And it doesn’t mean they don’t want fans of their music.

  • DragonFly

    Profile shot of Kris in this Fleming link above is an attractive picture of him. Nice appeal.

  • Tess Herself

    I was just responding to someone else’s interpretation of who they feel Kris is and I don’t necessarily agree with them on what they feel is Kris’ motivation. I don’t think he would have put himself out there the last few years if he didn’t want to succeed. He isn’t solely altruistic in my book…he wants more of what he once had…who wouldn’t.

  • elliegrll

    I think that’s it. For many, it’s not hip for alt. artists to chase fame, or to actively portray an image that they are celebrities or pop stars.

  • elliegrll

    I was referring to the images, the photos, album cover, and even the narrative that Kris seems to want for himself. It’s not one of wanting to be seen as a celebrity.

  • girlygirl

    Wanting to be successful and wanting to be a star are two separate things. Also, being famous and working hard at your career don’t necessarily go hand in hand. Have any of the Kardashians or Paris Hilton or Honey Boo Boo (to name a few) had to work hard to become famous? Not as far as I can tell.

    From what I can tell, Kris wants to continue to get better as an artist and he wants to put out music that people will enjoy. There’s no way anyone can claim he’s just playing at his career — he works hard at his music — he went out on tour just days after badly breaking his wrist. if he was a dilettante, he simply would have cancelled the tour — no one would have blamed him. I would think he’d like to sell a ton of albums and play to bigger crowds and win Grammys, but I don’t think those are necessarily his top priorities. And there’s nothing wrong with that.

  • washpd

    *Lenachka

  • Miz

    I wasn’t aware that Kris (or any indy artist) was making music just for his fan base. If this is true, why bother selling through Best Buy, iTunes, Amazon, and other retail outlets. Might as well sell from his website and cut out the middleman.

  • Tess Herself

    He doesn’t need to worry if that is his objective since he is not a celebrity nor is he a star. He is still a journeyman entertainer with a nice resume’, much like the thousand other guys and gals who are on the circuit. He got his big break…it pretty much went bust and now he is working at staying somewhat relevant. It really isn’t a matter of him choosing the path he is on rather than it being the only one available if he wants to keep singing and making music.

  • Pippygirl

    After winning AI Kris had some amount of celebrity. He was photographed by paps in LA, appeared in celebrity blogs,etc. He could have cultivated that by staying in LA, doing more to keep his name and face out there. He chose not to do that, for better or worse. It has probably made his music career more difficult, but perhaps his personal life easier. Who knows.

  • elliegrll

    Actually, he did choose this path. A whole lot of the things that Kris has done have shown that he didn’t want to be in the spotlight or to be a celebrity.

    Besides that are a lot of people who yearn for the label of celebrity, when the truth is that they aren’t doing too much more than Kris.

  • Tess Herself

    My interpretation of Kris’ choices are completely different than yours. I don’t see him as “wanting” to be second tier…it is just who he is in the entertainment business.

  • elliegrll

    That’s because it is your perception that he is second tier. I think that we all know that we are the ones responsible for labeling our special snowflakes, and often reality doesn’t fit with those labels. Superstars aren’t going to lose their record contracts after two albums.

  • DragonFly

    (Any Idol):
    I agree i want to be a fan of someone who (exactly the reason they signed on for American Idol–it’s in the name) HAS that “itch”…that drive….it meant they would keep “HIGH goals” in mind post Idol despite struggles in the business/fitting in w/family goals also. We know the premise of wanting to make the show’s Top 10/Top 5– KNOWING how fortunate that really IS! The THOUSANDS they beat out would gladly step in to give it THEIR shot w/the advantages of “wks of glorious tv promo, interviews, headline mentions, celeb bumps, all the dressings & wild, screaming fans”. All those who didn’t make it that far in the show are left to drool at those opportunities/the luck at being chosen AND becoming a household name. Idols had total family support during that time wishing for & encouraging Big fame. Don’t go along w/an attitude post show to return to a totally normal setting– because they should strive for extraordinary just by privilege of proving their talent & their success during the show. Family needs to continue encouraging that ego to be “as big a Star as possible”. Truly meant to be “good-sized” audiences they perform for & finding, beyond Idol, people who can make Somewhat Big happen. The luck of the draw at how they are promoted should be the main concern—it’s not an easy task (or as brought out many times) an equal-opportunity struggle who gets it done for them. They really imo signed-on as wanting Big Recognition.

  • YankeeFan08

    I don’t care for this picture at all. The partially untucked shirt is just so contrived to me.

  • DragonFly

    Maybe minus that (but it’s probably IN)—otherwise the rest is good.

  • Tess Herself

    I am not comparing or contrasting Kris to anyone else. I am just reiterating that he is working very very hard to keep his head above water…and I think that is by choice. He is doing the best he can with the opportunities being offered him…my contention is that he hasn’t “chosen” his place in the music business because he “thinks” that he is too much of an artist to lower himself to work even harder to be a star. I just don’t like the meme that when someone isn’t the big boy on the block that they choose to be a little fish in a big pond…I think he is a little fish because he is lacking “something” that would catapult him into “stardom”. Nothing to be ashamed of because he is exactly where thousands of others are. You have to be exceptional, and lucky, and driven to be at the top tier.

  • fuzzywuzzy

    I recall Kris saying that he hoped never to be dropped from RCA, so at some point, he recognized that he needed to maintain a certain level of popularity in order for that not to happen.

  • S.G.

    - I think the record label is Charlie Peackock’s!
    - Funny thing is Kris alone wrote two songs called “Parachute”.

  • elliegrll

    I doubt that most people tryout for AI with the belief that it will make them a superstar. I think many do it with the belief that they will be in a better position than they were before, and that they can use it as a platform to get noticed and gain fans.

    I don’t disagree with some of the things that you are saying, but I do believe it’s hard to argue that while Kris wanted to be successful as much as he didn’t want to be a celebrity or to be in the spotlight. His situation is not just one of someone who didn’t have label or management support, he’s where he is because of some of the decisions that he made.

  • elliegrll

    he “thinks” that he is too much of an artist to lower himself to work even harder to be a star.

    I didn’t say this, and I don’t think that this is how Kris or anyone else who isn’t a major star feels.

    I also think that it is two different topics. Someone can want to be successful, sell a lot of records, get their music played on the radio, and receive recognition from their peers, the public and critics, but still not want to be a superstar or celebrity. There are many artists who fall into this category.

  • S.G.

    lol, I think I like you, and that you are totally hip! :D

  • Gerry DeSanto

    I believe Kris has worked hard to be a star. He has almost constantly been on tour promoting himself even after the severely broken wrist. He also makes appearances throughout the country on radio stations. I think Kris’ problem has been pure bad luck. It started with all the negative publicity that occurred right after Idol. That hurt him a lot and he never got the big initial push he should have gotten after winning. His second problem was RCA/Jive. I don’t think they ever cared much about Kris or saw his potential. Picking the wrong singles such as “The Truth.” as his follow up single to LLWD hurt Kris a lot. He really needed a good second single for audiences to know who he was. Then, picking TVOL as his first single on TYC was a mistake. There were several more radio friendly songs on TYC that could have been a hit. RCA also did not recognize what a good album TYC was. If they let it build slowly it probably would have been a hit. Interestingly, though TVOL has had 2 million hits on the internet so the song may have had more potential and radio just didn’t give it a chance.

  • elliegrll

    Kris has worked hard to be successful, not to be a star. I think that there’s a difference. Someone said it better below, he’s also made some decisions to avoid the spotlight that have had a negative impact on his career. As always, Kris has had trouble striking a balance, between wanting to remain in his comfort zone, and realizing that he needs to be in the public eye more in order to further his career.

  • Gerry DeSanto

    I do agree that Kris could do more to stay in the spotlight. I hope his move to Nashville will help. Stars go to extremes these days for PR. That just isn’t Kris.

  • Mateja Praznik

    I don’t think touring helps towards the star status at all.

    Also, I’m not sure about Kris’ bad luck. In a way, he was very lucky to win Idol. He was cast as fodder and his vocals and musical talents are average at best. So he was definitely lucky to make it from TOP 36 to TOP 13 and then to eventual win. The downside of being a fodder contestant was that TPTB just couldn’t get excited about him, even when he won … and especially when he won over their Chosen One. I believe Adam won the support of TPTB (19, Sony) a long time before the finale that year. Kris is laid back and a bit shy guy and Adam is his polar opposite, a lot more willing to play the celebrity game. Intentionally or not, Kris was always in Adam’s shadow.

    And to be quite honest, winning any of these reality talent show means nothing without the full support of TPTB (label, management, etc.). No winner is guaranteed that big initial push after winning. So yeah, Jive and RCA were never particularly excited about Kris. Aside from his debut single they didn’t make much effort to find hit songs for him to record.

    Oh and 2 million hits (on Vevo?) for a song isn’t a lot.

  • elliegrll

    I always have to laugh when the subject comes up about Kris being fodder, but still being able to outlast dozens of other contestants. Being able to make it out of the first live group round, especially after not getting as much screen time as other people in his group, speaks volumes about Kris’ abilities. Unfortunately, it’s not something that he’s ever realized, or figured out how to make it translate to his career.

    I would also say that he had more label support than most alums. It wasn’t perfect, but he can’t make the same claims that someone like Lee Dewyze can make. RCA didn’t have to take over his contract or give him a second album, so someone at the label believed in him, and probably more than Kris and 19 did.

  • DragonFly

    Trying out for Idol does seem to infer a semi-superstar status expectation the show’s hope—& should remain a Top 10(5) Finishing Contestant’s goal w/that exposure/introduction. I have many dislikes for the show’s operation but it’s obvious potential advantage in the business cannot be denied.

  • girlygirl

    Well Danny just sold more than 7K his first week, and that was after not having any new music out for 3 years. His fanbase seems smaller than Kris’ (at least it given their past sales), but on the other hand he does have BMG to help promote him and he is getting decent radio play (in CCM and AC formats) for his current single. So it’s hard to know definitively whether his sales could help us project Kris’.

  • snappp

    I’ve heard it said once, real hipsters don’t think or know they’re hipsters. They do and express themselves what they like or think is cool, not needing to know what the trend is so they could follow suit. My friends, they are anti-trend without having to say it most times and will find trends either lame… or think it’s amusing. I feel like Kris is a bit of a hipster, but that is coupled with his personality and easygoing-ness. Anyway, I think Kris just likes the cover because he chose it. He obviously wouldn’t choose something that show off his good looks by choosing a close-up of himself lol.

  • nyc57

    Pretty much agreed with everything you saidexcept i do think Jive cared but they picked a bad 2nd single and of course it didn’t help that they went out of business.I don’t think 19 did a good job,though and NB was such a horrible song.Kris has said that TVOL was not his choice either.
    It’s all water under the bridge and Kris has worked hard to constantly improve as an artist.He writes beautiful music and is a great live performer.I love what I have heard of his new music and hopefully his album will get some exposure.

  • snappp

    TVOL got some promo months earlier, but as release date for TYC got closer, he got little to no promotion. His management contract ended the day it was released (correct me if I’m wrong) and ironically the same week as John Mayer (again), yet still sold 16-17k despite barely having any real TV time (at least nationwide) to promote the album before and after release. I really believe TYC could’ve done awesomely well if it were not for the lack of support and promo from the label et al. Anyway, I still love TYC (so good) and will buy Horizons.

  • Pippygirl

    I think Jive and RCA saw Kris’ potential, but that didn’t stop them from making mistakes where he was concerned. TVOL was an alright single, but he needed a real attention grabber. I still maintain My Weakness would have done significantly better and would have helped the album as well. Now that Kris gets to pick his own single (I believe he has said TVOL would not have been his choice) I’m very curious what Prove It To You sounds like. A duet is an interesting choice for a single.

  • elliegrll

    Kris could have released a great pop song, but the fact is that he had very little chance of getting airplay no matter what he released. The ball was dropped in the first era, and it is still a mystery why RCA gave Kris a second album, or why no one involved tried to do anything to address the problems all of the obstacles that he was up against before spending a cent on the second album.

  • tripp_ncwy

    I guess AR celebs just love their state. Poyen, AR has a population of 290.

    People: There’s Only One ‘Home Sweet Home’ for Justin Moore

    “People think I am nuts,” Moore tells PEOPLE of the decision to relocate from Nashville. “But I want my girls to run through the cow pasture to my mom and dad’s house. I want them to go to school where I went to school. It’s important to me to see them growing up and having a normal childhood.”

    http://www.people.com/article/justin-moore-new-single-poyen-arkansas?xid=rss-fullcontent

    ETA: Justin is moving back & Kris has plans to leave.

  • elliegrll

    Mathematically, Danny’s numbers for his first album weren’t too far behind Kris’, despite the fact that Kris had a top ten pop song on his album, and received a lot more promo and airplay. That tells us a lot about Kris’ in ability to get people’s attention.

    Danny also has a song on the radio right now, and is being promoted to a specific audience.

  • Karen C

    I think a big part of RCA’s mistake with many of the idols, Kris included, was not releasing as many singles as would have been done for most new artists with a platinum single. If The Truth didn’t work, they should have released something else. I’ve seen other new artists who have had as many as 4 or 5 singles released from their albums when they had a platinum single, and this seems to be regardless of album sales. I think this also contributes to why they sell so much less on their second album, because not as many singles are released from their first album.

  • Miz

    RCA was putting their money elsewhere. They did not promote Kris or his album at all. I’m glad he parted ways with them.

  • Mateja Praznik

    Idol debut albums are made in a short amount of time. Finale in May, albums release in November. That’s about six months and half of that time is spent on the road, touring.

    All this means that the albums are thrown together. There is not enough time to make a big number of potential singles. Technically every song on the album can be released as a single, but realistically the label and the artist know which ones are potential singles.

    The solution for this would be to start work on album #2 with more potential singles the moment album #1 is released, but that would mean no extensive touring that year after the release of album #1. And Idol fans expect their favorites to visit every part of the USA after the release of the debut album. But during that time the momentum usually gets lost.

  • girlygirl

    According to wikipedia, the last known sales for Danny’s debut album are 201K. The last known sales for Kris’ 1st album are approx 330K. That is not particularly close.

    But as you say, Danny is being promoted to a specific audience and his single is doing pretty well in that format. Which is why I said that I don’t know if we can project any sales for Kris based on Danny’s first week sales for his new album.

  • elliegrll

    RCA is just one side of the equation. We know for a fact that they did promote TVOL to radio months before the song was released, which was a sign that they believed in Kris and the song. Without the support of the management and artist, the label can’t do a lot.

  • elliegrll

    For me, it’s close for the simple fact that one of those people received a lot more airplay and exposure than the other one, so the difference should be a lot bigger.

  • mtlfan2

    I’m not a big fan of this cover album; i much prefer the picture posted below (from Fleming site i think).
    This said, i know it’s only snippets but I really do like them and I think it might be the album I will like the most of his :)

  • Karen C

    Touring can help build an audience, even outside of Idol, though. In Kris’s case, he opened for Lifehouse and a couple of others during the year after his first album was released.

    I would think if the Idols were to start working on the second album after the first one was released, they would lose even more momentum, because it would potentially be another year or more before releasing new material. By touring, they get media attention during the tour and potential new fans that liked the first single. This builds more momentum and helps to maintain a fanbase more so than if they went back in the studio right away. And I realize that Kris doesn’t have a huge fanbase, but that might have been even smaller if he had waited another year to tour and release an album.

    In Kris’s case, I think there were several potential singles on the first album, and even the second. Maybe they still wouldn’t have been huge hits, but they would have given him more of a presence than he has now.

  • Mateja Praznik

    I don’t think touring helps the momentum at all, especially if the tour is in small venues and gets no nationwide press coverage. Idols simply drop off the radar once they start touring. And their debut album eras die right in the middle of those tours. Touring between albums #1 and #2 certainly didn’t help Kris at all.

    I just found out X Factor UK winners Little Mix cancelled their US leg of their tour to focus on finishing their third album and have it ready for the fall. I’m relived, I was worried because their schedule was really full before this tour cancellation. Having a new album out in the fall is the priority.

  • Karen C

    Kris played to pretty large venues, though, because he was opening for Lifehouse. I saw them in a 4000 seat theater, and there were others all over the country. Others from Idol have opened or headlined for similar sized tours.

    I think touring helps solidify the fanbase, and does get press locally at just about every tour stop. Often they involve interviews with local radio stations, but more so for a headliner.

    If the albums are promoted properly, they should be able to capitalize on an artist being on tour and having a platinum hit. I’ve seen this happen with other artists, but not as much for Idols.

    And if Little Mix did cancel their US tour, it could also possibly be that they didn’t feel they had enough of a US audience to do the tour.

    I also think that getting singles out is more important to pop artists than other types, especially singer songwriters. Outside of Idol or other singing competitions, they would be more likely to have built their audience by touring, which would then lead to a contract and possibly a hit.

  • nncw

    Pretty hard to choose which single imo but I think for his first album his single after llwd shoulld have been Alright With Me and on his second album it should have been Monster however to be honest I thought TVOL had a chance of selling well given its message but I guess that is not how the world spins these days.

  • edricstorm2

    Sounds good, but that album art is terrible. You can’t even tell it’s him at all.

  • Happyhexer

    Damn! I really like this song! I have been avoiding Kris’ new songs — I don’t like to hear songs before an album drops. Please let the new material be equally good. Pretty please? I still play the sh*t out of TYC and never get tired of it . . .

  • Happyhexer

    How can it be more cohesive than TYC? That is one of the things that stands out about TYC — one song flows effortlessly into another, and even though the songs are different enough musically to stand out individually, they also blend well together.

  • disqus_l9306FWZtD

    I’m liking quite a few of the snippets – actually the new Parachute is good too.

  • Happyhexer

    TYC only has 11 tracks (and that was with a major label!), so I’m not gonna cry too much, as long as there are 10 good tracks!

  • Happyhexer

    I think Kris has a more cohesive fanbase than Danny, and that should help him. Danny’s fanbase has always been split among those who want him to do old-fashioned R&B/Motown, country, and Christian. Kris, on the other hand, has been more consistent in his musical direction. Clearly, Kris lost “fans” after the first CD. (I am not sure whether those fans were the “in the moment/move on with the next season” type of fans, whether they didn’t like the first CD, or both.) But I am stubbornly hopeful that most of the fans who supported TYC (his then-existing fanbase plus new fans like myself) will stick around for CD #3. If they know about CD #3 and can find it . . .

    I have no idea about BMG or its role, or how well-accepted Danny will be on Christian radio. I think he will have an uphill battle in some respects, but he is not doing too shabbily for now.

    I want to believe that Kris will find his audience as well. And I say that as a perpetual pessimist. ;-)

  • Happyhexer

    As a fan of both men, I gotta say I hate all the Kris and Danny comparisons. They are two totally different artists. We aren’t gonna know for sure how Kris will do until the numbers come out, but I am hoping that both men are, at a minimum, as successful as they need to be to keep making music.

  • girlygirl

    I’m not comparing them at all as artists. I was just wondering if Danny’s sales this time around could give us any hint as to how Kris might do. But,l as I said, probably not :)

  • Happyhexer

    I shouldn’t have responded to your post, Girlygirl, because my post wasn’t directed specifically at you. Forgives? :-) It’s just that comparisons are futile, even though Idol fans seem perpetually addicted to making them. I haven’t a clue how Kris will do, but (atypically for me) I plan to be upbeat and think positively. *fingerscrossedforgoodnumbers*

    My main concern is how Kris’ CD will be distributed (because casual fans are unlikely to buy if they don’t know about the album or it is too hard to find). In that, I think you can take some succor from Danny’s sales. I am a fan, and I have no idea where Danny’s music is available, beyond digitally on iTunes and Amazon. Some fans are speculating that the CD is available at Christian bookstores. So if that many Danny fans managed to find his music during the first week of release, I think that is a pretty good sign for Kris and his fans.

  • Elaine Burt

    One of the things you have to consider is the fact that Danny may have more real fans. I know for a fact that Allen had the most successful voting organization ever in the history of American Idol. People were voting for prizes, like a big screen TV or Chick-fil-A for a year. If people voted thousands of times each for a prize, it is not the same as voting for an artist that they care about. They would have no reason to support the artist’s career.

  • Elaine Burt

    I disagree. I think Danny has more real fans. KrissAllenNation documented the fans who were voting 6 to 10 thousand times each in a highly organised fashion in Conway. All other Season 8 contestants had normal power text voters, who were not motivated to vote with prizes.

  • Elaine Burt

    The problem with the scenario that Kris is an indie artist building a fan base is that he had the biggest platform of them all, an American Idol win. Kris did not capture enough hearts and minds for a lasting career. What he is doing now is treading water.

  • Elaine Burt

    RCA was not supportive of Adam’s career either. The songs they picked for him, especially on the second album, were the weakest.

  • Elaine Burt

    Please! The reason Kris stayed in the show was that he already had voters in Conway producing millions of votes each week.

  • Elaine Burt

    Really? I remember Kris saying that he wanted to win Grammy’s. I think the “spotlight” was not interested in Kris, especially when he was no longer associated with Adam.

  • Elaine Burt

    Success and stardom in the entertainment industry are the same thing weather you work hard or not. Every artist strives to get better, even a great vocalist like Adam Lambert, has improved immensely since his Idol days.

  • Elaine Burt

    Yeah right! It is a contradiction to claim that Kris is working hard for success, but does not want it. Truth is he just can’t get it and you are making excuses.

  • ptslittlecomment

    Yes, but Danny can in third, not second. He came in third to two people who pulled in the numbers. And there seems to be more of an anti-Danny sentiment out there than anti-Kris.

  • Eilonwy_has_an_emu

    Really? I remember Kris saying that he wanted to win Grammy’s.

    That was the Sainted Cook who said he wanted Grammy awards… unless all these WGWG winners give roughly the same post-Idol interviews.

    In any case, ask virtually any musician, and all but a handful of too-cool-for-school, eff-the-establishment types will say yeah, they’d love to win a Grammy. It’s not probative for real level of day-to-day career aspirations.

  • Elaine Burt

    Kris is where he is because, in the entertainment world, he is not a spectacular talent.

  • H.A.

    Kerry Kolsch is confused.

  • http://www.mjsbigblog.com/ mjsbigblog

    Reminder:

    Please don’t sign up with a new name if I’ve banned you once. I always figure it out. Especially if you’re a notorious conspiracy theorist–I’m going to remember you.

    I can deal with a certain amount of wank here, but I draw the line at tinhatting. Some things are just TOO STUPID to argue about.

  • girlygirl

    Well, that’s your opinion. Other people would say that he is a spectacular talent.

    However, whatever anyone’s opinion of Kris specifically, talent level does not always equate to level of success. There are people (musicians, actors, etc) who are huge stars who many people think are not all that talented. On the other hand, there are many musicians, actors, etc. who are struggling to make a living who many people think are remarkably talented.

    “Talent” means different things to different people, and personal taste also comes into play.

  • elliegrll

    Hmm, that post is very old. Few people would argue that Kris was able to use AI to find an audience, or that he made wise decisions post AI. But currently, he is in a position where he is trying to find an audience. I even said that he’s not too far from where he was when AI ended.

  • http://www.twitter.com/KaizerAllen Kaizer Allen

    The UK edition has two bonus tracks called “Should I” and “Unique”. It has, however, a different tracklisting.

    http://www.amazon.co.uk/Horizons-Kris-Allen/dp/B00LB3O2YK/