Kris Allen, Adam Lambert and Allison Iraheta: Cumulative Soundscan Totals

Idol numbers guy, Brian Mansfield of USA Today’s Idol Chatter,   ended his week of Idol blogging with some bonus numbers from Soundscan:

For this week’s Random Friday Memo, I picked up a few bonus numbers from the Nielsen SoundScan folks that I figured you might enjoy: the cumulative track downloads for three of this past American Idol season’s top finishers. (If I had realized Danny Gokey would debut his single this week, I would’ve gotten his, too.)

Kris Allen: 1.1 million
Adam Lambert: 923,000
Allison Iraheta: 31,000

I’m assuming these are total single sales for each Idol so far, including the sale of Idol downloads during the season? Not sure though, Brian needs to clarify.   If he does, I’ll append this post.

UPDATE: Brian has clarified: The numbers do not include downloads sold during the season–those numbers were never reported to Soundscan.

Just for kicks, Brian added that the Adam Lambert/Allison Iraheta version of “Slow Ride” had 42,000 downloads, while the Kris Allen/Danny Gokey “Renegade” sold 20,000 copies.

I’m surprised Allison’s numbers aren’t higher. But, Kris and Adam’s numbers look about right, considering how the contest turned out.

The numbers are interesting, but I don’t think they have much bearing on the Idols now, as they face selling their music beyond the so-called Idol bubble.

  • jtoms

    ouch that’s awfully low for allison, and alot higher for kris than i expected. if you take away the 200K for NB for kris, they’re pretty much even…

    but you’re right, these numbers mean squat now.

    eta: i’m confused about his danny mention though. the song premiered today, but it’s not available for download. how would he have factored it in? and so does that mean he included sales for all of the three’s recent singles? or is this just during the show? i actually am curious to see danny’s totals for kicks..

  • lorismile

    It’s my first year watching Idol. Is there always such a big disparity like that? If so, I guess it explains why Idol contestants seem to have a hard time once they are off the show. They have a following in that people vote but, if Allison only sold 31K, they aren’t dishing out the dough for them.

    It’s too bad we don’t get individual song totals. I’d love to know what Adam sold of ROF the week of his performance.

  • CathyMK

    Wow, Jive must have a lot of confidence in Allison’s potential to have signed her so quickly with such low sales. It’s a real compliment to her talent.

    Interesting to see that Kris outsold Adam overall, and not just for the week after the finale, especially since it seemed like Adam started out with more sales when we got the popularity bar leak midseason. I guess Kris really came on stronger and stronger as the season went on, just as we suspected. Selling 19% more than Adam seems like a pretty definitive difference- it’d be a huge landslide in a political election.

  • http://twitter.com/terra_zephead terraj

    Out of curiosity, does anyone know the actual tally for No Boundaries? Adam’s NB wasn’t promoted at all (which is a given since he didn’t actually win lol). Also, does Soundscan include No Boundaries within the iTunes pass for Kris’s sales that includes his full album (cos that would really contribute to sales)?

    Adam’s single’s only out this week so the comparison is a little skewed. Will be interesting to see how this plays out in the next 2 months. Maybe I should tweet Mansfield about this…

    I’m quite surprised at how low Allison’s sales is though. I though she would have sold better than that. Jive is really taking a big risk on her.

  • mgk

    Never mind. I see that no one really knows. I can’t believe this is for the entire season though. The numbers for all of them seem too low for that.

  • Balance

    Those numbers can’t possibly include pre-finale downloads. I know there’s been speculation that there may not be as many hardcore fans for either idol this year as in past years, but there’s no way that the Davids sold almost as much in one week as this years top 2 idols sold during the whole season.

    I’m reading something wrong aren’t I?

  • druzilla

    jtoms, why are you taking away NB for Kris, they sold Adam’s NB too.

  • http://twitter.com/terra_zephead terraj

    Brian Mansfield posts this in his comments in his blog:

    Brian Mansfield (18 friends, send message) wrote: 4m ago
    The numbers shouldn’t include downloads sold during the season, which were never reported; it’s unimaginable to me that Allison’s numbers wouldn’t be higher if they did. I also doubt they would include video downloads. I wouldn’t think they would include the download passes, except perhaps the tracks that have since come out that would apply to those passes — I’ve never heard how passes are counted in SoundScan totals. But they do include “No Boundaries.”

    As far as Allison’s numbers being low, you have to remember that she didn’t have the benefit of a finals performance or a coronation song to boost her sales numbers. That’s one of the reasons I said I wouldn’t read too much into these numbers.

    I’m pretty sure Mad World sold a lot of unreported copies in that performance week as everyone was flipping over overrun-gate…

  • suebrody

    Adam’s NoBo is still on iTunes, but wasn’t promoted at all after the finale. MW was what Adam sang on his post-Idol appearances, and I do not know if you could even buy it after the show, aside from being on the Adam album (which, BTW, stayed on the pop 100 charts at 50 or better till it got pulled). I am surprised that Kris sold higher than Adam. but I think it’s a totally moot point now. Allison, OTOH, I am a bit more surprised about.

    I have to say, I’m kinda not caring. The season is OVER.

  • Squirrely

    As I said in the other post I’m fine with the numbers – these are after the show ended and with Kris as the winner he would have gotten a big push especially with NB.

  • lola

    These are just single sales. I think album sales should also be taken in consideration. If I can recall it right Kris did well in singles (with his Heartless version at the tops) while Adam’s AI8 album was consistently charting even after the finale. Oh well, as mj said, it’s the after the Idol bubble that counts and I do expect Kris to do better than Adam.

  • ESW

    Those numbers fly in the face of the iTunes popularity bars that got leaked mid-season which mj published here: http://mjsbigblog.com/the-itunes-popularity-bars-are-back.htm

    I’d like to see Brian Mansfield reconcile his conclusions with the raw data to explain away the inconsistency.

  • Sherena

    Those numbers can’t possibly include pre-finale downloads. I know there’s been speculation that there may not be as many hardcore fans for either idol this year as in past years, but there’s no way that the Davids sold almost as much in one week as this years top 2 idols sold during the whole season.

    Well it seems too high to be just post finale downloads. So I don’t know. This would support the idea that Season 8 Idols are less popular, right?

    Anyhow, I’m really surprised at how low Alli’s numbers are. That’s…really low.

    Also when I first saw this post I thought for a split second that this was the SINGLE downloads so far for LLWD FYE and FIBOU and I was like O.O yay! But then it wasn’t.

  • unique28v

    Brian just posted a comment that the figures are since the Finale. This makes A LOT more sense.

  • Jolene

    Yeah, I see Brian already confirmed what I assumed in the Headlines thread – These numbers are far far too low to account for downloads sold during the season, combined with post finale Downloads.

    I haven’t kept up this year, but I remember last year we were speculating how many Millions DC might have sold during the show’s run, wishing we had access to those numbers. It’s impossible that all things combined (all songs, both during and after the season) will only amount to around 1M a season later.

  • unique28v

    the figures are too low for any of them to be from the season too

  • Chicagolaw

    Just a guess, but I bet Mad World sold a ton the week after the performance.

  • waffle

    The numbers don’t include sales during the season? So Kris sold 1.1 mill for three songs (NB, Heartless, LLWD), Adam sold 900 thou for four songs (NB, MW, TFM, FYE)? If so, that’s kinda impressive.

  • Pinasluvsadam

    I remember seeing the numbers before here on MJ. I know Kris outsold Adam on singles but Adam outsold Kris on Album. IMO Adam stans liked all of Adam’s song that’s why they went for the Album. ICK. Interesting to see what happens hereon. So excited for Adam.

  • http://twitter.com/terra_zephead terraj

    Sherena
    11/06/2009 at 9:17 pm

    Well it seems too high to be just post finale downloads. So I don’t know. This would support the idea that Season 8 Idols are less popular, right?

    On the contrary, I would think them to be far too low. Anyway see my earlier post on Brian Mansfield’s comments in his blog

  • CindyM

    MJ, Brian confirmed that the numbers do not include the during the season downloads.

  • Adamme

    Brian Mansfield (18 friends, send message) wrote: 4m ago
    The numbers shouldn’t include downloads sold during the season, which were never reported; it’s unimaginable to me that Allison’s numbers wouldn’t be higher if they did. I also doubt they would include video downloads. I wouldn’t think they would include the download passes, except perhaps the tracks that have since come out that would apply to those passes ‘” I’ve never heard how passes are counted in SoundScan totals. But they do include ‘No Boundaries.’ 

    That’s why i don’t believe that Adam’s download numbers’ lower than Kris. Because I remember that one or two days iTunes glitz showing that Adam as the top download during the season. Only one or two days the gate was wide open to the internet people to view the chart, but then iTunes fixed the glitz.

  • RocktheFort

    Weren’t all of Kris and Adams songs available as singles for a week or so after the finale, or did they take them all down except for MW and Heartless and make the albums right away? I can’t remember…

  • CindyM

    Hazelhel posted this in the headlines thread for Kris’s sales from June/July, so it’s for more than 3 songs:

    And I’m pretty sure it’s only total from after the finale. iTunes didn’t release the numbers during the seasons, so Soundscan can’t possibly know. Just as an exercise, here are some of the known sales; with the exception of LLWD, all the figures are from June or July.

    No Boundaries 276,000
    Heartless 286,000
    Ain’t No Sunshine 104,000
    Apologize 59,000
    Falling Slowly 38,000
    Live Like We’re Dying 83,000

    total 846,000

    That’s 200-300K lower than the rounded figure of 1.1 million. I think once you added up sales of all the other songs (perhaps 100-150K) and then take into account of further sales since those figures were released, the final figure is likely to be something like the figure Brian posted. It’s also very unlikely that Kris only sold 100-200K downloads during the entire season.

    I think Brian needs to learn to be a little clearer in his posts lol

  • CindyM

    RocktheFort
    11/06/2009 at 9:26 pm
    Weren’t all of Kris and Adams songs available as singles for a week or so after the finale, or did they take them all down except for MW and Heartless and make the albums right away? I can’t remember’ ¦

    They were available most of the summer. I don’t think they took their songs down until the beginning of September. September 1st, i believe.

  • ESW

    Do the track downloads include all the singles for the Kris Allen iTunes pass that’s been on sale since the finale? Because I was charged for the entire cost of the album up front. If so, that would mean Kris’ numbers are for 16 songs and Adam’s are for 4. If Brian Mansfield doesn’t know the answer for sure, he shouldn’t assume anything – I consider that unethical for a journalist who should just be reporting facts and putting them into their proper context imo..

  • jack5791

    Go Kris Allen! We love Pocket Idol!

  • suebrody

    So, the point is that Kris sold the most, closely followed by Adam. and Alison didn’t really sell well at all? And where’s Danny?

    I’m really tired and I’m getting a cold, so I’m fuzzy headed, but I still don’t understand why Brian compiled this list. PLUS I think you have to take the whole season into account, no?

  • JohnM

    suebrody: I am surprised that Kris sold higher than Adam.

    Why? Isn’t it logical that the winner would sell more?

    Allison, OTOH, I am a bit more surprised about.

    Sheesh, I thought I bought more than 31K of her stuff all by myself! :-D

    CindyM: MJ, Brian confirmed that the numbers do not include the during the season downloads.

    Are you referring to his statement quoted above that “The numbers shouldn’t include downloads sold during the season, which were never reported; it’s unimaginable to me that Allison’s numbers wouldn’t be higher if they did”? If so, that’s not a confirmation; it’s a guess.

  • Pinasluvsadam

    Oh just want to add. Can Brian give us more details?? Need to know the breakdown of the numbers. Does this include Itunes pass which includes album sales. Does this include videos? Just asking.

  • Chicagolaw

    Adam was way ahead when that iTunes glitch happened, but where was Danny? Was he trailing Kris at that point? I think maybe he was?

  • CindyM

    waffle
    11/06/2009 at 9:22 pm
    The numbers don’t include sales during the season? So Kris sold 1.1 mill for three songs (NB, Heartless, LLWD), Adam sold 900 thou for four songs (NB, MW, TFM, FYE)? If so, that’s kinda impressive.

    See above for Kris figures. Also, FYE hasn’t completed a full sales week, so we don’t know numbers yet. Adam’s 900k is I’m sure for more than NB, MW and TFM also, just hazelhel only listed Kris’s figures and I’m too lazy to calculate right now. :)

  • RocktheFort

    They were available most of the summer. I don’t think they took their songs down until the beginning of September.

    But could you buy singles all summer, or did you have to buy the album?

  • CindyM

    Chicagolaw
    11/06/2009 at 9:29 pm
    Adam was way ahead when that iTunes glitch happened, but where was Danny? Was he trailing Kris at that point? I think maybe he was?

    He was. MJ did a story for the NY Post. Of the top 10, Adam had 6, Kris had 3 and Danny had 1. Her focus was the surprise of Kris’s sales.

    Here’s the link: http://www.nypost.com/p/entertainment/tv/idol_itunes_shocker_SeyA2Jt8kUdhaxrhuyc3eO

  • CindyM

    RocktheFort
    11/06/2009 at 9:30 pm
    They were available most of the summer. I don’t think they took their songs down until the beginning of September.

    But could you buy singles all summer, or did you have to buy the album?

    You could buy singles. I ended up buying “Ain’t No Sunshine” in August and I could buy the single without the album.

  • PRMari

    So, the point is that Kris sold the most, closely followed by Adam. and Alison didn’t really sell well at all? And where’s Danny

    ?

    Consider she got eliminated a month before they started counting these sales and didn’t get the push of being winner or runner up.

  • Chicagolaw

    Just to add, if this doesn’t include sales during the season, then Allison’s numbers make much more sense.

  • RocktheFort

    You could buy singles

    OK, These numbers make much more sense then – I didn’t remember because I had bought all of Adams throughout the season

  • CindyM

    PRMari
    11/06/2009 at 9:33 pm
    So, the point is that Kris sold the most, closely followed by Adam. and Alison didn’t really sell well at all? And where’s Danny

    ?

    Consider she got eliminated a month before they started counting these sales and didn’t get the push of being winner or runner up.

    I agree PR Mari. 19E and Jive knew that Allison was popular during the season, otherwise they wouldn’t have signed her. There’s a reason she got a contract at the same time as Adam and Kris.

  • CindyM

    Shoot..I hate that I can’t edit. PRMari, I’ll also go on record and say that if they had sold the Allison/Cyndi Lauper duet, she’d have made a killing. That was some beautiful singing and a beautiful performance.

  • Eileen99

    So in checking MJ’s article, the leak happened around the end of April – so, like Top 5 week? I think Kris came on pretty strong over the last few weeks, so they could well have ended up pretty even for the year. Top 5 was well after Mad World (Top 8?) and before Heartless (Top 3), which I’m assuming sold a motherlode of copies judging by how well it continued to sell and spin after the Finale.

  • Mtlfan

    congrats to both of them… really nice numbers from after the show. WOW

    it would be interesting to know the numbers during the season

  • JohnM

    Chicagolaw: Adam was way ahead when that iTunes glitch happened

    Way ahead for that moment in time. That was a very brief snapshot, not a look at total sales through the season to that point. If it was an accurate reflection of the season as a whole to that point, then yes, he was ahead. And that does seem like it’d probably be a reasonable assumption. But we don’t know if it was.

  • Squirrely

    Crybaby alone had to have sold double of what this list is reflecting for Allison. It stinks they can’t show us everything.

  • Chicagolaw

    JohnM, wasn’t that assumed from my post? It was, afterall, a glitch.

  • Eileen99

    Does anyone know off the top of their heads for Adam which songs he sang after Top 6? I know for Kris, it would have been SWHFTM, The Way You Look Tonight, Come Together, Apologize, Heartless, ANS (again), and What’s Goin’ On. Apologize, Heartless, and ANS were pretty big sellers after the season ended – what about Adam’s songs post-Top 6? Someone remind me …

  • JohnM

    Chicagolaw, thanks for noting that that was your understanding. There was a post on the previous page that certainly appeared to be reading a whole season’s worth into the leak — I should’ve gone back and quoted that one instead of yours. :-)

  • CindyM

    Post Top 6 were “Feeling Good”, “Whole Lotta Love”, “One”, “Crying”, “A Change is Gonna Come” Oh, if you’re going to include “She Works Hard for the Money”, then Adam’s equivalent was “If I Can’t Have You”.

    I don’t have them memorized or anything..LOL

  • hollygo9

    It would be nice if we could see the cumulative totals but then that would be peaking under Idol’s skirt, I guess.

  • ESW

    These number post-finale might actually substantiate the hypothesis that Adam sold more singles during the season than Kris did. If people bought all of Adam’s singles during the season there’d be fewer sales after the season would be over. TFM sold more than LLWD. Although Kris’ NB sold more than Adam’s.

    How did Brian Mansfield get the overall total number of downloads without being able to access the numbers for each individual single? The numbers are kind of meaningless without knowing what singles and in what quantity they represent. He needs to add more detail.

  • Eileen99

    Thanks, CindyM. None of those strike me as having been on the top-selling lists after the season – most of his higher selling ones were before Top 6 if I am remembering that list correctly; whereas most of Kris’ late in the season were. This leads me to believe (well obviously plus the result) that their sales during the season would have ended up pretty even.

    I wasn’t paying attention much during the season itself – was the iTunes list just a ranking of the top 10 songs, without any numerical values associated to those songs? In other words, at that point in April, Adam had 6 songs, Kris 3, and Danny 1. We only got this much, right? No actual sales figures?

  • rblaha1234

    I do not believe these numbers.

  • Eileen99

    ESW: We do have sales figures for after the season on individual songs – it was posted in the headlines thread.

  • Sherena

    Oh, so it doesn’t include songs sold during the season? That makes more sense.

  • CindyM

    I wasn’t paying attention much during the season itself ‘“ was the iTunes list just a ranking of the top 10 songs, without any numerical values associated to those songs? In other words, at that point in April, Adam had 6 songs, Kris 3, and Danny 1. We only got this much, right? No actual sales figures?

    No, they were based on popularity bars which has to do with sales. Per MJ’s NY Post Article, Kris had #3, #8 and #10, Gokey had #9. Adam had #1, #2, #4, #5, #6 and #7.

    ETA: You’re right, I misred your initial question . No hard sales numbers, but rankings based on sales.

    Not suprisingly, the leader — by far — is front-runner Adam Lambert, who holds six of the top 10 spots in the Idol chart this season. The haunting “Mad World”– the song that got Simon Cowell on his feet for a rare standing ovation — is the No. 1-selling song so far this year, the iTunes site showed.

    But right behind Lambert is Allen, who has three performance downloads on the secret chart. Gokey has just one, his version of “Endless Love” at No. 9. Allen’s slow version of “Falling Slowly” from movie night is No. 3. His bluesy update on the classic “Ain’t No Sunshine” is No. 8 and his tender “To Make You Feel My Love” took the No. 10 spot.

  • Chicagolaw

    Eileen, I believe there were people on message boards (someone here can probably remember where) who were somehow able to come up with actual numbers ( maybe by utilizing those “popularity bars?”) when that glitch occurred.

    Also, Adam did get to sing Mad World a second time on final 2 night :)

    Anyway, we will never know the final, cummulative totals—which is probably for the best.

  • https://twitter.com/pmhowden undercooked

    It’s always unfortunate when incomplete numbers are posted. But, eh, what are you gonna do? We can assume both Kris, Adam and Allison sold more than what is listed since this doesn’t include what is sold during the season. This, I assume, also doesn’t include MVs and albums. I am also assuming it includes NO numbers for FYE or Allison’s single because they have been out less than a week and so those numbers aren’t reported yet.

    But my big question is this….how much money per download does each idol get?

  • PRMari

    These number post-finale might actually substantiate the hypothesis that Adam sold more singles during the season than Kris did. If people bought all of Adam’s singles during the season there’d be fewer sales after the season would be over.

    Then Allison sold more than both of them during the season, people already had her singles :)

    Shoot..I hate that I can’t edit. PRMari, I’ll also go on record and say that if they had sold the Allison/Cyndi Lauper duet, she’d have made a killing. That was some beautiful singing and a beautiful performance.

    Don’t remind me, I still feel cheated out of a great video of that on my iPod. That was a fantastic performance. I also want to mention that by being eliminated a month prior to the finale she also didn’t get the priviledge of adding two-three other singles/performances to her roster.

    Crybaby alone had to have sold double of what this list is reflecting for Allison.

    I agree.

  • Eileen99

    “Anyway, we will never know the final, cummulative totals’”which is probably for the best.”

    Agreed on this point. I think it’s just the numbers fanatics that enjoy these types of exercises (!).

  • ESW

    Eileen99, I can’t believe I missed that. If they lists are all public, then how could Brian Mansfield not know whether or not the downloads include the iTunes pass? Do you have a link to that list? TIA

  • Rub

    So, the point is that Kris sold the most, closely followed by Adam. and Alison didn’t really sell well at all? And where’s Danny?

    PRMari :Consider she got eliminated a month before they started counting these sales and didn’t get the push of being winner or runner up.

    Most definitely a factor. Somebody posted on the last page the songs that sold the most were from top 3 and on, a period of time Allison was already eliminated.

    CindyM:I’ll also go on record and say that if they had sold the Allison/Cyndi Lauper duet, she’d have made a killing. That was some beautiful singing and a beautiful performance.

    No doubt. Only the top three got their duets for sale. I also remember at the end of May or there abouts, Allison’s songs from the show were pulled. (I couldn’t get “Hot Stuff” to finish collection) Only the top 2 had their full catalog and I dont know for how long.

    I would think Daughtry had the same fate all things being equal.

  • Mtlfan

    But my big question is this’ ¦.how much money per download does each idol get?

    I think Kris said at one point that it was .09/download

  • Starr

    LOL I remember that, he said “thank you for my nine cents” :D

  • CindyM

    undercooked
    11/06/2009 at 9:59 pm

    But my big question is this’ ¦.how much money per download does each idol get?

    I think Kris said he got 9 cents per download. Don’t know if that’s standard or contractual.

  • Eileen99

    “I think Kris said he got 9 cents per download. Don’t know if that’s standard or contractual.”

    Or Kris just making a joke. I don’t know if 9 cents is accurate or not – anyone else know?

  • Eileen99

    ESW: I just went over to headlines but there are so many comments I couldn’t find it. I found a list of Kris’ sales of Heartless, NoBo, etc., but couldn’t find the one listing Adam’s – or maybe they were scattered throughout comments. I know I’ve seen lists in various places, however. If you’re ambitious, you could look through all the Sales posts either here or at Brian’s site for post-Finale weeks. I don’t know if there is a specific link that would take you to those totals, however.

  • ozarka

    9 cents per download x 1.1 million downloads for Kris = $99,000
    That’s not bad at all.

    9 cents per download x 923,000 downloads for Adam = $83,070
    9 cents per download x 31,000 downloads for Allison = $2,790

  • tinydance

    Thanks for posting the numbers looks like a good start for the two guys, but I am kinda sad that Allison was not downloaded as much. After Idol Allison is going to need more exposure maybe some promotion in teen magazines and young teen shows. She will need that to get more downloads after Idol.

  • tinydance

    I was wonder how Danny is going to do? He had a solid fanbase .

  • tinydance

    I think after Idol Kris and Adam will get more $ with the songs they co-wrote. The majority of Kris’s songs he co-wrote so I think they will get more.

  • ESW

    Eileen99, okay well thanks for looking. I guess if Brian Mansfield had them before it should be easy enough for him to round them up again – otherwise, what do the totals really say without the list of singles along with their individual sales to go along with it? These numbers could very well include the iTunes Pass, who’s to say without the specificity of having the list of singles and their individual sales.

  • PRMari

    tinydance, these are not numbers for their new singles, these are for Idol music after the finale.

  • ladymadonna

    Way ahead for that moment in time. That was a very brief snapshot, not a look at total sales through the season to that point. If it was an accurate reflection of the season as a whole to that point, then yes, he was ahead. And that does seem like it’d probably be a reasonable assumption. But we don’t know if it was.

    Yes, THIS. I’m really just playing devil’s advocate here because I think there’s a good chance Adam did sell more tracks during the season than Kris. But this battle cry that “the iTunes leak showed Adam way ahead for the season” is absolutely flawed. All that isolated iTunes leak showed was that on that day, at that time, Adam’s tracks ranked higher than the other contestants. But that’s all it means.

    As those of you who have been watching iTunes obsessively since the new batch of singles were released know, iTunes rankings rise and fall constantly. At one point last week, Adam’s TfM ranked higher than LLWD based on popularity bars. But it hasn’t sold more than LLWD has total. If we were to have taken a snapshot of iTunes at that one particular time and made a guesstimate of which had sold more total, we would have been wrong.

    And hey – here’s a screenshot of the iTunes popularity bars during one of the S7 weeks that shows David Archuleta way out in front of the rest of the pack. So do we think he outsold Cook during last season? No, because last year we had visibility into the popularity bars throughout almost the entire season, and based on tracking things week to week, we know that Cook ultimately stopped all over the competition last year.

    So really, we can make all kinds of assumptions about who might have sold more during the season based on who appeared to be more popular, but the limited glimpses we got into iTunes this year really don’t prove anything one way or another.

  • Eileen99

    No Boundaries 276,000
    Heartless 286,000
    Ain’t No Sunshine 104,000
    Apologize 59,000
    Falling Slowly 38,000
    Live Like We’re Dying 83,000

    This is from headlines – Hazelhel. I couldn’t find the Adam numbers.

  • https://twitter.com/pmhowden undercooked

    No Boundaries 276,000
    Heartless 286,000
    Ain’t No Sunshine 104,000
    Apologize 59,000
    Falling Slowly 38,000
    Live Like We’re Dying 83,000

    Ok, now for all of those folks complaining about Kris’s NOBO, it is the song that puts him ahead of Adam on single downloads (post season thus far). They don’t call it a coronation song for nothing. :)

  • Rub

    No Boundaries 276,000
    Heartless 286,000
    Ain’t No Sunshine 104,000
    Apologize 59,000
    Falling Slowly 38,000
    Live Like We’re Dying 83,000

    look at Heartless! Jive should’ve kept a similar arrangement on the album.
    Except for Falling Slowly, all these are from top three.

  • tinydance

    :) It still was a terrible coronation song…lol

  • Eileen99

    But, Undercooked, remember Adam sold a few copies of that, too. IIRC, maybe 50k? Maybe more, sorry Adam’s numbers aren’t seared into my consciousness. Someone else undoubtedly knows the NoBo number.

  • ESW

    Oh great Eileen99, thanks for looking again! Are these old numbers if they don’t add up to 1.1million?

  • Eileen99

    I’m too lazy to go searching through comments again. I can’t remember what she said about the timeframe, but it also didn’t include other misc songs such as SWHFTM, TMYFML, etc. Bundled together, these probably make up the difference.

  • girlygirl

    Undercooked

    But Adam also sold copies of his version of NoBo. So if you took out the NoBo sales numbers for both guys, they would still be very close in these cumulative totals, and Kris might even still have the higher total.

  • hollygo9

    I’m curious if Adam’s numbers include ‘Want’ and ‘TfM’. You’d think his totals would be higher since he’s released twice as many songs as Kris since the finale.

  • CindyM

    From MJ’s through June I think

    Adam’s No Boundaries 59,692

  • kneipho

    I don’t know if this has already been posted, if it has, please ignore. I can’t say I know what it means, but here you go:

    Mansfield posted this in the comment section of Idol Chatter:

    USA TODAY Staff
    Brian Mansfield
    (18 friends, send message) wrote: 1h 35m ago

    The numbers shouldn’t include downloads sold during the season, which were never reported; it’s unimaginable to me that Allison’s numbers wouldn’t be higher if they did. I also doubt they would include video downloads. I wouldn’t think they would include the download passes, except perhaps the tracks that have since come out that would apply to those passes — I’ve never heard how passes are counted in SoundScan totals. But they do include “No Boundaries.”

    As far as Allison’s numbers being low, you have to remember that she didn’t have the benefit of a finals performance or a coronation song to boost her sales numbers. That’s one of the reasons I said I wouldn’t read too much into these numbers.

    Hope this helps.

  • https://twitter.com/pmhowden undercooked

    But, Undercooked, remember Adam sold a few copies of that, too. IIRC, maybe 50k? Maybe more, sorry Adam’s numbers aren’t seared into my consciousness. Someone else undoubtedly knows the NoBo number.

    True, but they are only sepreated by what, 177,000 downloads? Is my math correct? I’m too lazy to find a calculator. So if you take both their versions of NOBO out, they are tie. Let’s say Adam sold 75,000 copies, Kris sold 276,000, ok, who wants to subtract it…but by eyeballing it, it looks to me they are about even.

  • Jolene

    So in essence, we really didn’t get new info, just the bottom line on the info we already had (sales post season finale, which we knew Kris was leading from following the week-to-week sales). Huh.

    I guess once the numbers come in for FYE, the comparisons will shift to that vs. LLWD, so this is a sort of a last hurrah to the Idol sale comparisons. Good times.

    So basically after Brian Mansfield revised his statement we can pretty much say those figures don’t really mean much.

    In a nutshell.

  • https://twitter.com/pmhowden undercooked

    I’m curious if Adam’s numbers include ‘Want’ and ‘TfM’. You’d think his totals would be higher since he’s released twice as many songs as Kris since the finale.

    I don’t think FYE has been included yet because there are no numbers released. How long has TFM been out there? Two or three weeks? How long has LLWD been out there, nearly two months? So many variables. I guess you would have to throw WANT in there because it’s there, but it’s kind of a weird ripoff thing. I would only count it as a quarter of a song because of its shady nature. :)

  • Studio57

    So basically after Brian Mansfield revised his statement we can pretty much say those figures don’t really mean much. They don’t include figures during the season, probably don’t include album sales, and definitely don’t include videos, which cost twice as much as singles and in which Adam at one point had a monopoly on the top 20.

  • https://twitter.com/pmhowden undercooked

    So basically after Brian Mansfield revised his statement we can pretty much say those figures don’t really mean much. They don’t include figures during the season, probably don’t include album sales, and definitely don’t include videos, which cost twice as much as singles and in which Adam at one point had a monopoly on the top 20.

    Yes, I’m not sure why he posted it. There were a couple of posters here who used to calculate the weekly post season numbers, so this isn’t really new. I can’t recall if Brian was an Adam or a Kris fan or did a good job keeping neutral. Perhaps he was giving the numbers just to have a topic of conversation or maybe have them available for people to compare to last season. Who knows?

  • didilynn

    I’m not sure why he even posted these numbers – I guess there is interest judging from the comments – but seems like it’s just bringing up the fanwarring a little to me and I’m over that.

    Yes, the singles were available for most of the summer – I didn’t watch Idol until May and I purchased them in the summer. Adam’s “Idol” album was charting pretty high all through the summer, but Kris sold a ton of Heartless and No Boundaries. I think they both did very well and were close enough – if they get .09 each – they should be thrilled!

    Are we trying to translate these numbers into how they will do in the real world? I think that’s impossible to determine. IMO they are both great singers with strong fan bases. I think it will almost completely depend on the songs they write or get – if the song is good, it will sell. And if they contribute to the writing, they will make even more money. In fact, writing a hit song is probably more lucrative than singing it.

  • tootheatrical

    undercooked
    11/06/2009 at 11:10 pm
    Yes, I’m not sure why he posted it. There were a couple of posters here who used to calculate the weekly post season numbers, so this isn’t really new. I can’t recall if Brian was an Adam or a Kris fan or did a good job keeping neutral. Perhaps he was giving the numbers just to have a topic of conversation or maybe have them available for people to compare to last season. Who knows?

    Yeah, I don’t see the point of posting numbers that aren’t obvious, need to be explained and qualifed, and still don’t make much sense to anybody. It’s like saying “The score was 10 to 3.”

  • https://twitter.com/pmhowden undercooked

    Yeah, I don’t see the point of posting numbers that aren’t obvious, need to be explained and qualifed, and still don’t make much sense to anybody. It’s like saying ‘The score was 10 to 3.’ 

    So true. Was the score 10 to 3 during the first quarter, half time or was that the final score? Also, was it the number of strokes taken on the 18th hole of a golf course, or was it the baseball score. :)

  • Fabulosity

    Kris Allen: 1.1 million
    Adam Lambert: 923,000
    Allison Iraheta: 31,000

    Can someone tell me what songs for each Idol are included in these figures? I would think FYE is not included as yet

  • BeckyMD

    What I don’t understand the most is why he didn’t include Danny’s number. Danny is signed by 19 also and just debut a single. The only reason I can think of is that he wanted people to confuse this numbers with Kradison post-idol single sales since Danny’s is not on sale yet.

  • https://twitter.com/pmhowden undercooked

    What I don’t understand the most is why he didn’t include Danny’s number. Danny is signed by 19 also and just debut a single. The only reason I can think of is that he wanted people to confuse this numbers with Kradison post-idol single sales since Danny’s is not on sale yet.

    I suspect Danny sold more than Allison just because he was on the show an extra week? Also, Danny’s fanbase was/is huge.

  • kneipho

    BeckyMD
    11/06/2009 at 11:25 pm
    What I don’t understand the most is why he didn’t include Danny’s number. Danny is signed by 19 also and just debut a single. The only reason I can think of is that he wanted people to confuse this numbers with Kradison post-idol single sales since Danny’s is not on sale yet.

    From Idol Chatter’s, “Your Random Friday Memo”

    For this week’s Random Friday Memo, I picked up a few bonus numbers from the Nielsen SoundScan folks that I figured you might enjoy: the cumulative track downloads for three of this past American Idol season’s top finishers. (If I had realized Danny Gokey would debut his single this week, I would’ve gotten his, too.)</em>>

  • fletcher

    Are these downloads just singles? Adam’s AI8 album kept charting over the summer. Would an album be counted as one download or would each indivdual song on the album be counted? That could make a diffence in the count.

  • https://twitter.com/pmhowden undercooked

    (If I had realized Danny Gokey would debut his single this week, I would’ve gotten his, too.)

    I’m not sure why that was a deal breaker for Brian since we don’t have any numbers for Allison and Adam’s new singles that came out this week.

  • listen

    Found this on TWoP, it clarifies Brian’s original figures:
    ——————————————————
    “……..USA TODAY Staff
    Brian Mansfield (18 friends, send message) wrote: 22m ago
    The numbers shouldn’t include downloads sold during the season, which were never reported; it’s unimaginable to me that Allison’s numbers wouldn’t be higher if they did. I also doubt they would include video downloads. I wouldn’t think they would include the download passes, except perhaps the tracks that have since come out that would apply to those passes — I’ve never heard how passes are counted in SoundScan totals. But they do include “No Boundaries.”

    As far as Allison’s numbers being low, you have to remember that she didn’t have the benefit of a finals performance or a coronation song to boost her sales numbers. That’s one of the reasons I said I wouldn’t read too much into these numbers……”
    —————————————————
    So, it seems this doesn’t include downloads during the season.

  • babybelle32

    Are these downloads just singles? Adam’s AI8 album kept charting over the summer. Would an album be counted as one download or would each indivdual song on the album be counted? That could make a diffence in the count.

    LOL, why would each single on an album be counted, instead of counting the album as a whole? A single is a single, and an album is an album. That’s how it is in the industry, so why would the rules change now?

    Besides that, neither Adam or Kris sold a lot of albums, their album totals were just a fraction of the total that their singles sold. It was clear that in both cases, people purchased singles throughout the season, so they had no reason to buy the albums. Neither Kris nor Adam got anywhere near 70,000 in terms of album sales, but each of them had at least two individual tracks that had at least double that amount.

  • suebrody

    Yeah, I don’t see the point of posting numbers that aren’t obvious, need to be explained and qualifed, and still don’t make much sense to anybody. It’s like saying ‘The score was 10 to 3.’ 

    So true. Was the score 10 to 3 during the first quarter, half time or was that the final score? Also, was it the number of strokes taken on the 18th hole of a golf course, or was it the baseball score. :)

    ITA. This whole thing confuses me. I still don’t get the point. Why don’t we focus on how the Idols are doing *now*?

  • alaadam

    Is itunes working yet? I just checked and I think it is working. Will someone else check?

  • rockvixen

    I gather those numbers also do not include the videos of performances specifically Adam’s performances with Kiss #1 for a week at least and Queen. All of Adam’s videos charted in the top 100 on iTunes at the end of the show. Adam outsold all Idols during and after AI imo.

  • babybelle32

    Listen, based on the numbers that we have, I think Brian most be mistaken. Even though the numbers weren’t released, they were still calculated, besides, based on the billboard numbers that he posted, these numbers just don’t add up. Kris’ versions of Heartless and No Boundaries might have sold a combined 600,000 copies after the season, but I doubt that the rest of the singles sold 400,000 copies after the season, especially since none of the other singles charted past the first week, except for Ain’t No Sunshine, which racked up 100,000 units sold before it finally fell off of the charts.

  • PattyH

    If those are the numbers for after the finale, I can’t even imagine how many Mad Worlds or Heartless sold the first week they were sung! Especially Mad World since it was so amazingly received by the public and was much earlier in the season. Both Adam and Kris probably made some nice very money with those two. I wonder if they got their checks while the show was running or if they even knew what was going on, as far as numbers sold.

  • https://twitter.com/pmhowden undercooked

    they were still calculated, besides,

    Are you talking post season?

  • kneipho

    PattyH

    11/06/2009 at 11:42 pm
    If those are the numbers for after the finale, I can’t even imagine how many Mad Worlds or Heartless sold the first week they were sung! Especially Mad World since it was so amazingly received by the public and was much earlier in the season. Both Adam and Kris probably made some nice very money with those two. I wonder if they got their checks while the show was running or if they even knew what was going on, as far as numbers sold.

    I know, pretty sweet, huh?

  • babybelle32

    Adam outsold all Idols during and after AI imo.

    Yes, this is an opinion, since we don’t have the facts to back it up. BTW, do you know that one of Kris’ videos was the top selling video on itunes the week after the season ended? Or that after the season, Heartless and Kris’ version of No Boundaries outsold every other single that anyone from this season released?

    edit: dial back the defensiveness

    And I agree with PattyH, the totals for Heartless and NB are amazing, as were the final numbers that we had for Mad World. I also agree that Heartless must have sold a heck of a lot the week that Kris performed it.

  • babybelle32

    Me:

    they were still calculated, besides,

    Undercooked

    Are you talking post season?

    No, I’m saying that Itunes had to collect the information in order to know how much money they owed 19, so the numbers do exist, even if they were not released to the public.

  • BeckyMD

    (If I had realized Danny Gokey would debut his single this week, I would’ve gotten his, too.)

    This just makes his numbers more confusing. His numbers are sales of on-season covers. How does whether Danny debuting his single or not matter here?

  • Fabulosity

    babybelle32
    11/06/2009 at 11:48 pm

    Adam outsold all Idols during and after AI imo.

    Yes, this is an opinion, since we don’t have the facts to back it up. BTW, do you know that one of Kris’ videos was the top selling video on itunes the week after the season ended? Or that after the season, Heartless and Kris’ version of No Boundaries outsold every other single that anyone from this season released?

    Kris out sold Adam in singles, but Adam out sold Kris with Album sales and video sales.

    Top 100 iTunes Music Videos as of 3:00pm EST June 4, 2009

    Adam – 17
    3 – Adam Lambert & Kiss – medley
    17 – Mad World – finale
    19 – A Change is Gonna Come
    21- Tracks of My Tears
    28 – Slow Ride with Allison
    31- I Can’t Get No Satisfaction
    34 – Whole Lotta Love
    36- No Boundaries
    40 – One
    44 – Mad World
    45 – Feeling Good
    46 – Black or White
    50 – Ring of Fire
    52 – Cryin’
    53 – If I Can’t Have You
    60 – Born To Be Wild
    67 – Play that Funky Music

    Kris – 3
    6 – Keith Urban and Kris Allen
    16 – Heartless
    61 – No Boundaries

    Up until the final week Adam was outselling Kris in singles, Kris got his big boost after the finals with NoBo and Heartless.

  • ladymadonna

    How does whether Danny debuting his single or not matter here?

    I think this line in Brian’s post points to his motive in posting the numbers – I think he was trying to “clean the slate” so to speak before sales figures for the debut singles start coming in. He may also have been wanting to open-up discussion on whether these figures can be seen as predictors of future sales. They were certainly used last year by a lot of commentators in setting expectations for the sales success of the S7 crop.

  • kneipho

    I like Mansfield. He comes across as being fairly even-handed. He gets a lot of guff in the comments section for avoiding playing favorites, as far as I can tell, and responds to his readers without getting cranky –even when the comments left for him are less than kind. As to releasing the figures, I think he was just throwing a bone to a few of the feisties (yes, I just made up a word) to gnaw on over the weekend.

  • stacyyim

    mj, when are you going to update your post to reflect the fact that the numbers is only after season ended? You said you will update it.

  • kneipho

    ladymadonna
    11/07/2009 at 12:03 am
    How does whether Danny debuting his single or not matter here?

    I think this line in Brian’s post points to his motive in posting the numbers ‘“ I think he was trying to ‘clean the slate’  so to speak before sales figures for the debut singles start coming in. He may also have been wanting to open-up discussion on whether these figures can be seen as predictors of future sales. They were certainly used last year by a lot of commentators in setting expectations for the sales success of the S7 crop.

    I like this line of thinking, too.

  • CindyM

    Listen, based on the numbers that we have, I think Brian most be mistaken. Even though the numbers weren’t released, they were still calculated, besides, based on the billboard numbers that he posted, these numbers just don’t add up. Kris’ versions of Heartless and No Boundaries might have sold a combined 600,000 copies after the season, but I doubt that the rest of the singles sold 400,000 copies after the season, especially since none of the other singles charted past the first week, except for Ain’t No Sunshine, which racked up 100,000 units sold before it finally fell off of the charts.

    I don’t think Brian is wrong. These are numbers for Kris in June, 2009 just from 6 of his songs. This post was made by Hazelhel and her numbers were doublechecked. These are numbers just since the finale til June. I’m sure from June – September Kris sold more downloads, especially during the tour. Unless you think that Kris, during the season, only sold 200k of his songs which sounds completely wrong.

    From Hazelhel:

    And I’m pretty sure it’s only total from after the finale. iTunes didn’t release the numbers during the seasons, so Soundscan can’t possibly know. Just as an exercise, here are some of the known sales; with the exception of LLWD, all the figures are from June or July.

    No Boundaries 276,000
    Heartless 286,000
    Ain’t No Sunshine 104,000
    Apologize 59,000
    Falling Slowly 38,000
    Live Like We’re Dying 83,000

    total 846,000

    That’s 200-300K lower than the rounded figure of 1.1 million. I think once you added up sales of all the other songs (perhaps 100-150K) and then take into account of further sales since those figures were released, the final figure is likely to be something like the figure Brian posted. It’s also very unlikely that Kris only sold 100-200K downloads during the entire season.

  • CathyMK

    Kris out sold Adam in singles, but Adam out sold Kris with Album sales and video sales.

    But chart rankings only matter relative to the other items on that particular chart. IOW, comparing the #1 selling video to the #1 selling single is like comparing apples and oranges. iTunes is very strong in singles sales, not so much in album sales. AFAIK, video sales #s aren’t made public at all. So, the #20 single may well usually sell more than either the #1 video or album. (I’m pulling these numbers from the air- I’m sure someone on here actually has those statistics to compare!)

    Up until the final week Adam was outselling Kris in singles, Kris got his big boost after the finals with NoBo and Heartless.

    In your opinion. Unless you’ve managed to get a hold of the super-secret sales figures we’re discussing, you have no way of knowing this, other than 1 mid-season screen cap. For all we know, Danny and Allison were the big sellers up until the weeks they went home, then their fans were so discouraged that they never bought anything again! (Not really, but not any less plausible than saying that Adam sold big all season, until sales started being reported, when Kris suddenly ran past him, which a lot of you seem to believe.)

  • Trina

    I’m so glad we had weekly popularity bars in season 7. I’d still kill for actual weekly numbers but those weekly bars were pretty telling. For this past season there’s still too many guessing games.

  • Truthiness

    Oh as to how much the Idols got per download, their idols ones I seem to recall like .18 or .19., that was from the Larry King Live interview, IIRC. Post idol, they are getting .9, or so I gather Kris said in an interview?

  • http://myspace.com/girlgeek mj

    mj, when are you going to update your post to reflect the fact that the numbers is only after season ended? You said you will update it.

    Sorry, I took Friday night off. For the most part, it’s just me here. I get to things as quickly as I can. If I spent 24/7 glued to my computer, that would be a little unhealthy, I think.

    I just updated the post with the newest information.

  • CindyM

    To add to my prior post, because I can’t edit:

    No Boundaries 276,000
    Heartless 286,000
    Ain’t No Sunshine 104,000
    Apologize 59,000
    Falling Slowly 38,000
    Live Like We’re Dying 83,000

    total 846,000

    I found the figures for the other Kris songs from 5/28/09 for the first week after the finale. That adds another 77,000 for just that week. Im sure he had additional sales after that 5/28/09 date. Adding just that first week of the sales of the other songs to the June figures of 846,000, you have 923,000. Kris had an AI fanbase that was large enough to vote him the winner, I doubt he had only 177,000 downloads during the season. Especially, since he had 3 in the top 10 in April when the popularity bars were leaked.

    How Sweet it is – 7,000
    She Works Hard for the Money = 9,000
    Come Together – 10,000
    The Way You Look Tonight – 11,000
    To Make you Feel My Love – 19,000
    What’s going on – 21,000

    http://content.usatoday.com/communities/idolchatter/post/2009/05/67370685/1

  • iluvai

    I think the reason Allison’s numbers aren’t higher is because she connected with adults who think she is amazing (she is), but she didn’t connect with a young teenage crowd. Just a thought. My girls loved Allison, but they are way more invested in Kris and Adam.

  • Truthiness

    Is it ok if I take Friday night off? It’s just me here. I get to things as quickly as I can. If I spent 24/7 glued to my computer, that would be a little unhealthy, I think.

    How many times have we had to tell you? No Life For You! (and no soup, but that’s another story)

  • LoveDaRocker

    I demand a recount!!!
    Allison is the best artist in the history of the world!!!
    :-)

    Seriously though, those numbers are low. No worries, she has about 6 years to match Kris’ numbers and about 10 to match Adam’s. I am sure she’ll manage.

  • Fabulosity

    Up until the final week Adam was outselling Kris in singles, Kris got his big boost after the finals with NoBo and Heartless.

    Week ending June 4, 2009

    This weeks digital downloads – Kris has 5 and Adam has 9

    8 Kris Allen ‘No Boundaries’  86,081 (-36%; lw 134,458) Total: 220539 (4)
    11 Kris Allen ‘Heartless’  78,131 (-38%; lw 125,344) Total: 203,475 (5)
    21 Adam Lambert ‘Mad World’  59,695 (-48%; lw 114763) Total: 174,458 (7)
    30 Kelly Clarkson ‘I Do Not Hook Up’  42,757 (-16%; lw 50,633) Total: 328,256 (30)
    45 David Cook ‘Permanent’  32,030 (-69%; lw 102,595) Total: 158,935 (10)
    46 Kellie Pickler ‘Best Days of Your Life’  31,572 (11%; lw 28,391) Total: 408,236 (66)
    47 Daughtry ‘No Surprise’  31,541 (-6%; lw 33,684) Total: 237,592 (46)
    68 Kris Allen ‘Ain’t No Sunshine’  24,685 (-66%; lw 72,080) Total: 96,765 (7)
    69 Adam Lambert ‘No Boundaries’  23,708 (-34%; lw 35,984) Total: 59,692 (44)8
    3 Jordin Sparks ‘Battlefield’  20,258 (-31%; lw 29,430) Total: 124,695 (60)
    86 Kris Allen ‘Apologize’  19,318 (-52%; lw 40,173) Total: 59,491 (38)
    103 Adam Lambert ‘Change is Gonna Come’  14,720 (-69%; lw 48,068) Total: 62,788 (32)
    105 Adam Lambert ‘One’  14,658 (-52%; lw 30,851) Total: 45,509 (57)
    124 Adam Lambert/Allison Iraheta ‘Slow Ride’  11,977 (-45%; lw 21,742) Total: 33,719 (84)
    138 Kris Allen ‘Falling Slowly’  10,805 (-60%; lw 27,087) Total: 37,892 (72)
    151 Adam Lambert ‘Cryin’  10,067 (-59%; lw 24,580) Total: 34,647 (75)
    173 Adam Lambert ‘Tracks of My Tears’  8,830 (-48%; lw 17,130) Total: 25,960 (102)
    182 Adam Lambert ‘Feeling Good’  8,459 (-48%; lw 16,178) Total: 24,637 (107)
    184 Adam Lambert ‘Ring of Fire’  8,402 (-44%; lw 14,970) Total: 23,372 (112)

    If we remove both Kris and Adam’s NoBo songs, Adam was ahead. through out the season Adam at least 6 out 10 songs on iTunes, Kris had 3 and Danny had 1

  • Jolene

    I’m so glad we had weekly popularity bars in season 7. I’d still kill for actual weekly numbers but those weekly bars were pretty telling.

    Ain’t that the truth. You only ever get to see snapshots, your Idol always charts relative to the others who are charting at the same time… but during season 7 we got to see the popularity bars as often as we wanted, and we could compare them weekly to the popularity bars of known quantities (such as non-Idol songs charting, for which we had weekly totals). It all amounted to quite a bit of useful charting information, which S8 didn’t get at all (except for that one glitch). LOL, this thread really made me appreciate that wealth of knowledge we had back then.

  • http://twitter.com/cara_lee pj

    Not so concerned about the #s.

    As for USA Today, I miss Ken. He always provided the obscure numbers for the low selling Idols. Heh.

    Of the five songs released so far as “singles” I like three: FIBOU, FYE and LLWD. Don’t like the Gokey tune or Adam’s apocolypse song. No matter how much any of them sell…

  • k0ka

    Kris is clearly a lead of the pack in post idol season. And he might stay in that position for a while. It does not look like FYE is going to make a big difference this week.

  • Mtlfan

    Seriously though, those numbers are low. No worries, she has about 6 years to match Kris’ numbers and about 10 to match Adam’s. I am sure she’ll manage.

    I’m not worried at all for Allison. She’s 17 and an amazing talent.

  • Fabulosity

    pj
    11/07/2009 at 12:51 am

    Not so concerned about the #s.

    As for USA Today, I miss Ken. He always provided the obscure numbers for the low selling Idols. Heh.

    3. Danny Gokey (12 songs, 57,000 downloads)
    4. Allison Iraheta (9 songs, 35,000 downloads)
    5. Matt Giraud (20 songs, 12,000 downloads. Has anybody heard his two pre-Idol albums, Perspective and Mind, Body, and Soul? They accounted for some of these sales.)
    6. Anoop Desai (9 songs, 5,000 downloads)
    7. Megan Joy (6 songs, 4,000 downloads)
    8. Alexis Grace (3 songs, 2,000 downloads)
    9. Scott MacIntyre (6 songs, 1,000 downloads)
    10. Lil Rounds (8 songs, 1,000 downloads)
    11-13. Michael Sarver, Jasmine Murray and Jorge Nunez all had less than a thousand cumulative downloads, with Jorge having the lowest total
    .

  • CathyMK

    If we remove both Kris and Adam’s NoBo songs, Adam was ahead. through out the season Adam at least 6 out 10 songs on iTunes, Kris had 3 and Danny had 1

    Well, first off, NoBo is there, and it does count, so Adam isn’t ahead. 2nd, these are for post-season sales, so they do not necessarily reflect what was happening the entire season. Even during season 7, when DC definitively sold the most post-season, we could see from the popularity bars that some weeks were closer than others. There’s no reason to believe that isn’t true for Season 8 as well. The truth is that we don’t know what sales looked like for the entire season, or who sold the most. Period.

  • http://twitter.com/cara_lee pj

    Thanks, Fabulosity. But I meant more like the indie releases of those that actually put out albums post-Idol. Ken was good at reporting those.

  • http://www.f3properties.com Animated

    The sales figures are not very clear. Are these singles download ?

    Do these include music videos? How about the albums ? How are these considered ?
    So if Slow Ride sold 42,000 downloads so these are not credited to either Adam or Allison but credited as duet? Alli only show 31,000 download units.

    If these are units for past season’s singles download, what happened to the album download ? what happened to the music video download ?

    They should just put out dollar sales like in any other business. You will know an artist viability by the dollar sales. That is why only albums are counted in terms of appendaging an artists commercial viability.

    Well, the real Singles are out , and the Albums will soon be out.
    We will know soon enough who will succeed in terms of sales.

    Allison should not worry too much about these given figures. The real world will provide her the answers if her dreams of making it as a rock goddess will come true. I think she will be alright.

    Adam now has both FYE and TFM in iTunes Top 100 Pop songs, so this shows that his vocal ability is able to sell songs.

    As for Kris, he is the Title Holder, that should make it easy to market him , and get people to check out his music.

  • Fabulosity

    CathyMK
    11/07/2009 at 1:09 am

    If we remove both Kris and Adam’s NoBo songs, Adam was ahead. through out the season Adam at least 6 out 10 songs on iTunes, Kris had 3 and Danny had 1

    Well, first off, NoBo is there, and it does count, so Adam isn’t ahead. 2nd, these are for post-season sales, so they do not necessarily reflect what was happening the entire season. Even during season 7, when DC definitively sold the most post-season, we could see from the popularity bars that some weeks were closer than others. There’s no reason to believe that isn’t true for Season 8 as well. The truth is that we don’t know what sales looked like for the entire season, or who sold the most. Period.

    The point was who was ahead during the season. It is not that difficult to figure out.

    http://mjsbigblog.com/the-itunes-popularity-bars-are-back.htm

    Clearly Adam was ahead, any gains Kris had was in his final week and after with his post Idol win boost. period`

  • Michelle

    I miss Ken Barnes too. Even the “clarification” comment Brian posted was just a guess.

  • carolinacharms

    Not much can be gleaned from these #’s.

  • erinnthered

    pj
    11/07/2009 at 12:51 am

    Not so concerned about the #s.

    As for USA Today, I miss Ken. He always provided the obscure numbers for the low selling Idols. Heh.

    Agreed about the numbers.

    What happened to Ken, anyway?

  • ladymadonna

    The point was who was ahead during the season. It is not that difficult to figure out.

    http://mjsbigblog.com/the-itunes-popularity-bars-are-back.htm

    Clearly Adam was ahead, any gains Kris had was in his final week and after with his post Idol win boost. period`

    Again, iTunes popularity rankings are not cumulative. They show only how tracks are selling relative to all the other items in the store at that particular time (or rather, over some limited rolling period of perhaps 24-48 hours). The brief snapshot into iTunes that MJ reported on captured only a single moment in time – it does not tell us who had the highest total up to that point, or beyond.

    As I posted upthread, at a certain point last week Adam’s TfM was well ahead of Kris’s LLWD based on popularity bars. Based on that snapshot evidence alone, should we assume that TfM has sold more total than LLWD? No, of course not. There were also weeks during S7 when Jason Castro had the highest ranking tracks of all the Idol contestants. Was he “way ahead” of the Davids? Not necessarily. That was just one moment in time, and since we had visibility into iTunes week after week, we can actually be fairly confident that he didn’t outsell Cook and Archie. That’s not the case with S8, where everything is just an assumption based on perceived popularity and the state of iTunes in one given hour on one given day.

    It’s very possible that Adam did indeed have the highest in-season sales of S8. Based on the evidence at hand, it’s equally possible that Kris did. Or Danny. Or Allison.

  • mistyluv7

    Looking at the figures for Mad World in the above post. I can hardly believe that figure. Adams figures have to be higher than that. Mad World was a favorite for eveyone out there all over the World. Some thing doesn’t look right.

  • carmine2008

    Well, first off, NoBo is there, and it does count, so Adam isn’t ahead. 2nd, these are for post-season sales, so they do not necessarily reflect what was happening the entire season. Even during season 7, when DC definitively sold the most post-season, we could see from the popularity bars that some weeks were closer than others. There’s no reason to believe that isn’t true for Season 8 as well. The truth is that we don’t know what sales looked like for the entire season, or who sold the most. Period.

    Are you reading my mind? Because I was thinking the exact same thing.

  • carmine2008

    Clearly Adam was ahead, any gains Kris had was in his final week and after with his post Idol win boost. period`

    Nope it’s not, for reasons already stated above. We don’t know for sure. And it looks like we will never know for sure. All you have stated so far are just assumptions and should be treated as such. Period.

  • Q3

    Looking at the figures for Mad World in the above post. I can hardly believe that figure. Adams figures have to be higher than that. Mad World was a favorite for eveyone out there all over the World. Some thing doesn’t look right.

    MW was on sale for 7 weeks during the season and the numbers were never sent to SoundScan. So they are not in the numbers listed above.

    The totals do not include the sales during the season (not in soundscan), do not include video downloads and do not include album sales — and both Kris and Adam has “Season 8 Favorite” albums.

    I do not know the final numers for Adam S8F album but it sold at least 84,000 units — equal to over 850,000 digital tracks.

    So it would be interesting to get totals for all downloads — not just digital singles.

    And I agree — I miss Ed!!

  • ladymadonna

    I do not know the final numers for Adam S8F album but it sold at least 84,000 units ‘” equal to over 850,000 digital tracks.

    Heh. Would that it only worked that way. David Cook would have sold more than 17.5 million tracks this year! Would love to see that RCA press release…

  • Q3

    ladymadonna
    11/07/2009 at 2:20 am

    I do not know the final numers for Adam S8F album but it sold at least 84,000 units ‘” equal to over 850,000 digital tracks.

    Heh. Would that it only worked that way. David Cook would have sold more than 17.5 million tracks this year! Would love to see that RCA press release’ ¦

    LOL! I wrote my comment mostly in jest because these comparisons make so little sense to me. But breaking albums into tracks makes as much sense as TEA (Track Equivalant Albums) and all the other nonsense that labels are using to try to compare the post- and pre-digital worlds. The only comparison that makes sense to me is revenue. I just wish that the labels would release gross revenue like the movie industry does — and be done with it.

    Both Kris’ and Adam’s totals are trivial compared to major recording artists. All I am hoping is that they will both sell enough of their debute albums to get to record a second album.

    And, in Adam’s case, I am a huge Adam fan but I am also realistic about his prospects — and I know that he has a much more difficult path than Kris. Adam came in second + he is releasing an unusual mixed genre album + he is openly gay + plus he is a theatrical artist +++. There is a long list of whys Adam will not be successful. The last really successful gay, multi-genre, theatrical male pop/rock/dance artists were Freddy Mercury/Queen and David Bowie — both in the 70’s and 80’s. That’s 30 years ago. And there is a short list of reason why he will be successful — he is likeable and talented. But we all know that talent is not enough.

  • Q3

    As I posted upthread, at a certain point last week Adam’s TfM was well ahead of Kris’s LLWD based on popularity bars. Based on that snapshot evidence alone, should we assume that TfM has sold more total than LLWD? No, of course not.

    But T4M did outsell LLWD last week — T4M sales 12K, LLWD sales 10k.
    So the pop bars do indicate who is selling more.

  • isidra

    I think the point is that, while TFM sold more in that particular week (hence the bar), if we look at the totals sold to date it’s something like 50k (TFM) to 80k (LLWD).

    That’s the kind of thing that’s not reflected by the bars. It’s possible that every week up until the snapshot that Adam sold a lot more than Kris. But it’s also possible that they sold similar amounts, or some weeks Kris might have sold more than Adam. It’s fun to theorize, but we’ll probably never really know the full in-season numbers.

  • jmom376

    As a Kris fan I find these numbers very interesting. We will probably never know total sales since the beginning of the show or exactly what the above numbers represent and who truly has the most sales. However, what we do see is that Kris is not being left in the dust by Adam and that he is actually doing pretty good overall. To me, this is awesome news for Kris. It has been a great week for him and I can only seeing it getting better (not talking about sales, talking about everything in general). I am very happy to be a Kris fan.

  • unique28v

    Not much can be gleaned from these #’s.

    Nope. Nadda. To me it was a waste of a blog post for Brian Mansfield. I guess he didn’t have anything else to put in his friday news post. lol

  • lorismile

    That’s too bad we don’t know what was sold during the season. Not for comparison but it would be interesting to see what an Idol sold when they had a breakout performance. I’d love to know ROF and Mad World were the weeks they were performed, just as I’m sure Kris fans would love to know Heartless, and Ain’t No Sunshine.

    I’m thankful Kris sold more because :
    1. The media would probably be all over “Adam sold XX more why didn’t he win?”
    2. Adam fans would start with the conspiracy theories.
    3. Poor Kris fans would feel like they’d have to defend, when they should never have to. Kris did win after all. Sometimes Adam fans like to belittle that point.

  • carol522

    The best way to compare the new singles is to average the total downloads by the number of weeks available for download. Using that metric would more than likely put Adam ahead of Kris. The same can be done with airplay. In the end, depending on your motives you can intepret the numbers any way that suits you.

  • adamaloha

    And, in Adam’s case, I am a huge Adam fan but I am also realistic about his prospects ‘” and I know that he has a much more difficult path than Kris. Adam came in second + he is releasing an unusual mixed genre album + he is openly gay + plus he is a theatrical artist +++. There is a long list of whys Adam will not be successful. The last really successful gay, multi-genre, theatrical male pop/rock/dance artists were Freddy Mercury/Queen and David Bowie ‘” both in the 70’s and 80’s. That’s 30 years ago. And there is a short list of reason why he will be successful ‘” he is likeable and talented. But we all know that talent is not enough.

    ITA, Q3.
    now, all this arguing over numbers is making my head hurt (or it could be I just need some sleep).

    I believe the true competition starts now. And Adam isn’t competing solely with Kris– he is going up against every recording artist out there. To expect him to shoot to the top of the heap is unrealistic, even for this Adam fan.

    I will say I do not believe Adam fans are conspiracy theorists. That seems to be a strange assumption to make. We are as invested and passionate as fans of other artists. It’s that simple.

    I’ll take my cue from Adam and look ahead. Everything else– especially Mansfield’s sloppy reporting of meaningless, out-of-context numbers– is old news and irrelevant.

    It’s tomorrow that’s important, not yesterday.

  • mickeybordentwo

    I’m gleaning something else from the numbers (such as they are).

    I’m gleaning a real prejudice against Danny, who came in third and had higher download numbers than Allison, yet was ignored in the initial posting.

    I’m also increasingly curious about why Jive thinks Allison is going to do so well.

    The download numbers are comparable to AI vote tallies. One person could buy 12 downloads just as one person could vote 100 times during the final episode (I believe I did both). Ten thousand people buying 12 downloads and voting 100 times affect the totals in both categories; 50,000 people doing that have a major impact, even out of a 25,000,000 audience.

    Yet 50,000 people, no matter how devoted their fandom is, buying 1 CD, have almost no impact at all (unless the CD is a total bomb).

    So the real lesson, as best I can tell, is Kris’s fanbase is nowhere near what David Cook’s fanbase was leaving the show (David C sold 1,000,000 of a single title, as opposed to 1,000,000 of a dozen or so titles), and Adam’s is nowhere near what David A’s fanbase was.

    For Kris and his people, I think this should be a concern. His and David C’s audiences aren’t that different. David C had the advantage of a popular coronation song (whether he liked it or not), and he’s also been very willing to work his butt off. Kris may or may not be quite as wllling; he has a wife and a church that could affect his professional decisions.

    David A and Adam are appealing to different groups (okay, to some extent all Idolettes appeal to women under 20 and over 50), and are clearly planning different career routes. I don’t think anyone pictures Adam opening for a Disney popstar and he’s already rejected the Christmas album career move. So it’s tougher to call which one will have the more successful immediate and/or long term careers.

  • ladymadonna

    I think the point is that, while TFM sold more in that particular week (hence the bar), if we look at the totals sold to date it’s something like 50k (TFM) to 80k (LLWD).

    That’s the kind of thing that’s not reflected by the bars. It’s possible that every week up until the snapshot that Adam sold a lot more than Kris. But it’s also possible that they sold similar amounts, or some weeks Kris might have sold more than Adam. It’s fun to theorize, but we’ll probably never really know the full in-season numbers.

    Exactamundo.

  • cilady

    mickeybordentwo
    Kris may or may not be quite as wllling; he has a wife and a church that could affect his professional decisions.

    Wow.

    FWIW, the wife and the church didn’t seem to affect Chris Daughtry’s willingness to work for his career. (Not a surprise that Chris reached out to Kris when you think about how similar their situations are).

    And from Kris’s ridiculously packed December schedule (new dates being added) and his comments about touring (I’ve heard the words “never stopping” used), I think it’s more likely that Kris plans to work hard than not.

  • ilovekrisallen39

    Yeah I don’t see any where that points too that Kris isn’t willing to work hard to sell his music. Is performing at all these shows, doing all these radio interviews. That shows me his all ready to work his freaking ass off too sell his album. I don’t see anywhere that shows his more into his church then his music career.

  • dab1234

    Quick question. Morning everyone. What constitutes a good number for spins? The number for Adam went up by 200 in the past two hours, is that good or not? I have no idea..

  • cilady

    Adam’s song has reached the 1-week mark so his first day spins are being knocked off. If the weekly spin number is an increase that’s good. If it’s not, well the song is too new to say.

  • dab1234

    cilady Ok, thanks. I guess the increased number is sort of good then.

  • Eileen99

    dab1234:

    Adam’s spins were 39 yesterday, 45 the day before, and 32 each of the two preceding days.

  • dab1234

    Eileen99 ok, maybe I am looking at the wrong screen. This is the one I have open http://www.mmr247.com/mmrweb/Reports/Reg/EMD.asp?SOngID=1697047&NumDays=7 and when I refreshed around 5:30am it was about 200 spins lowed than it is now. New at this, sorry.

  • dab1234

    NVM everyone, I now see this is a weekly sheet. DUH to me. :)

  • Eileen99

    dab1234: If you change the number 7 at the end of the address in your browser to 1, you’ll get daily spins. The weeks listed on the left of the QuikCut chart won’t update, but you’ll get the last 4 days worth of spins shown.

  • Kath77

    Until there is more information posted, like the date window of the sales (Was the window right after the finale or a month after? Does it end end last week? last month? Is it pre FYI and FIBOU release dates? If not, how many days of sales are incorporated for these new releses? ) these numbers are essentially meaningless.

  • DLee

    Each week during the run of the show I went to itunes and bought Adam’s studio recording and his live performance. I’m sure other people were doing the same. (Also for Kris and Allison, although I did not buy them.) How silly that these numbers are not added into the mix. I’m sure they tell the whole story.

  • jpfan

    Slighty interesting but who cares. All they show are sales from months ago. Isn’t it amazing how many downloads Idol can sell? Especially if your compare it to the current sales of these same folk.

    So no one from S8 is bigger than the show. Far from it.

  • AllenTX

    Isn’t this an exactly rehash of the numbers we got before? I don’t get why it’s such a controversy again. Soundscan NEVER reported and added the sales # during the season.

  • dab1234

    Anyway, RCA/SONY has the real numbers (the missing piece of the puzzle) with sales from AO site. They must have had something in mind when they decided to give AO first shot sales. Maybe they wanted them to be kept quiet. Who knows. But if the album does not do well doesn’t that reflect on the songwriters and producers associated with it? Wouldn’t they be upset to be linked to a failure? I think TPTB know what they are doing and have a plan. Faith…

  • chessguy99

    If those are Allison’s numbers just for FIBOU, they are fine. That is just four days of sales and a half day of street violation sales at Amazon and iTunes. Adam and Kris have more material out there for sale; pre-Idol stuff that had sales resurgence, their Idol Season collections on iTunes, plus their current singles that have been on sale longer than FIBOU. Add to this the lack of radio promotion; no Seacrest/Z100 premiere, not even a day of phoned in radio interviews. Allison did her first radio promo Friday night on KIIS. So, she’s just getting started.

  • jpfan

    Those numbers do not include Allison’s sales for her new single. Those numbers won’t be released until this Wednesday. Those are just some old numbers for downloads after the finale.

    Allison’s promo has been very weak so far. I think Jive is holding off on her promo until next year (at least I hope they are.)

  • AllenTX

    Anyway, RCA/SONY has the real numbers (the missing piece of the puzzle) with sales from AO site. They must have had something in mind when they decided to give AO first shot sales. Maybe they wanted them to be kept quiet. Who knows. But if the album does not do well doesn’t that reflect on the songwriters and producers associated with it? Wouldn’t they be upset to be linked to a failure?

    LOL, what are u talking about? wanted them to be kept quiet? NO, they WILL report to SS which won’t be out till next Wednesday.

    Brian Mansfield is such a tool. now everybody just drag whatever they choose to see and have a run with it.

  • ohmyra

    especially Mansfield’s sloppy reporting of meaningless, out-of-context numbers’“ is old news and irrelevant.

    ITA. I bought every single video and single of Adam’s DURING the season. Bought nothing afterward except the finale and TfM and fye. So if someone is judging by this total Adam stan, the numbers would be close to zilch. Totally useless blog post by BM.

  • https://twitter.com/pmhowden undercooked

    I think the point is that, while TFM sold more in that particular week (hence the bar), if we look at the totals sold to date it’s something like 50k (TFM) to 80k (LLWD).

    Yes, but hasn’t LLWD been available for sell for at least a month longer than TFM? Wouldn’t you expect a single which was promoted and receiving radio play that has been out nearly three times as long as another single (with no radio play and for a yet unreleased movie) to have sold more? Too many variables to say which single is doing better. I guess you could average the weekly sales, i.e. 80,000 divided by 7 weeks vs 50,000 divided by three weeks and deterimine the average weekly downlowd and rate them that way. :)

    The problem with numbers is that they can be interpreted anyway depending on the bias of the interpreter.

  • Mtlfan

    Kris and Adam’s numbers look about right, considering how the contest turned out.

    mj had the best conclusion regarding those numbers.. so i would expect similar numbers for during the season

  • cmc25

    These numbers belong to the past. Suggest we look to the future .

    Let’s not forget that the total digital downloads (itunes and amazon mp3 singles and albums and others) are still at 35% vs 65% of CDs during the first half of this year. Let’s see how these former idols sell their CD albums.

    BTW, samples of Susan Boyle’s CD tracks got aired on QVC last week. In one hour, approximately 20,000 of her CD album got sold as claimed by QVC. True or not, I have no way of knowing.

    Also at Amazon (US) today, her album is back to top 2.

    It seems that even under this worldwide bad economy, people are still willing to spend money on quality songs in CDs. I guess many have not forgotten that only a CD played through a home system can do justice to a properly recorded music from naturally gifted singers and musicians. Adam belongs to this group, so I am patiently waiting for his CD album.

    Just want to share this info to those who are interested.

  • https://twitter.com/pmhowden undercooked

    I’m thankful Kris sold more because :
    1. The media would probably be all over ‘Adam sold XX more why didn’t he win?’ 
    2. Adam fans would start with the conspiracy theories.
    3. Poor Kris fans would feel like they’d have to defend, when they should never have to. Kris did win after all. Sometimes Adam fans like to belittle that point.

    So perhaps this is why Brian released these numbers? Does he have some info on how Adam’s single is doing and it’s doing better than Kris and he wants to balance the news out by posting these post season sale numbers, which don’t include any numbers for Adams FYE or Allison’s single
    .

  • https://twitter.com/pmhowden undercooked

    I’m surprised Allison’s numbers aren’t higher. But, Kris and Adam’s numbers look about right, considering how the contest turned out.

    I don’t come to the same conclusion. I see that Kris got a bounce from the win and had NOBO to bring his numbers up plus he has had a single out for nearly two months. Yes Adam as TFM, but it’s only been out for a few weeks. As stated, Adam and Allisons duet MV sold twice as much as Kris and Danny’s duet, yet those numbers are not being considered.

    Without album sales and MV factored in, it really is an incomplete picture and therefore no conclusions can be made from these numbers except how much Adam and Kris made post season on singles. :)

  • lorismile

    Undercooked – I’m a HUGE Adam fan. I thought posting the numbers with Kris leading the pact would quiet all the BS comparisons. Honestly, at this point, I really don’t care who won Idol. I just want Adam to do well with his own stuff. I can see that all the numbers do is to keep driving the Idol comparisons. It’s too bad fans can’t just enjoy the talents of their favorites without trying to justify everything. It’s probably the same way every year with Idol I guess. Although I never watched before, I see people on here still bring up David C and David A.

  • Trina

    BTW, samples of Susan Boyle’s CD tracks got aired on QVC last week. In one hour, approximately 20,000 of her CD album got sold as claimed by QVC. True or not, I have no way of knowing.

    I didn’t actually see when Susan Boyle was on QVC but shortly after she was on one of the hosts mentioned that orders were flying in like they never saw before for an artist selling a CD on there, that’s what my mother heard anyway. I know when Clay was on there hawking his CD he sold 15,000 total through them so if she sold 20,000 in an hour thats insane.

  • AllenTX

    LOL, every grandma and mom is getting SuBo for holiday. Is it gonna be like Groban’s christmas album last year?

  • LaurelG

    I don’t come to the same conclusion. I see that Kris got a bounce from the win and had NOBO to bring his numbers up plus he has had a single out for nearly two months. Yes Adam as TFM, but it’s only been out for a few weeks. As stated, Adam and Allisons duet MV sold twice as much as Kris and Danny’s duet, yet those numbers are not being considered.

    Without album sales and MV factored in, it really is an incomplete picture and therefore no conclusions can be made from these numbers except how much Adam and Kris made post season on singles.

    I agree with this, undercooked, especially the part about the bounce at the end. One can’t make any definitive conclusions but, in my opinion, if you added everything up from Season 8, including album sales, MV, prior weeks, Adam would come out on top. Just my belief, based on Adam’s popularity right from the beginning and Kris’s dark horse status.

    I really don’t know why Brian Mansfield reported these numbers, though, since he ended up having to add a bunch of qualifiers to his post. It seems akin to sticking a large stick into a hornet’s nest just to stir things up.

  • https://twitter.com/pmhowden undercooked

    Hey lorismile, I don’t think anyone would have a problem with these numbers if the reflected the entire season. I think the issue with the numbers is that people cite them as the yardstick to meaure the popularity of an idolM. It’s incomplete data.

  • FolkFan

    Brian probably reported these numbers because he does get asked for off-chart totals for Idols (including for the AI8’ers Idol songs) and because Soundscan folks were willing to give them to him to publish. Really, any Soundscan numbers that we get are a gift. We have no right to any numbers, and the fact that Brian (and Ken before him) can print so many in the USA Today’s Idol column, and the fact that there are a few places where we can find leaked actual Soundscan numbers, is a very, very fortunate thing. This may not be the set of numbers that I most want (in-season sales, specifically for Season 7), but I’m always grateful to get any Soundscan numbers.

    I find these numbers interesting both because of what it may say about these particular Idols, but also about the new itunes strategy that was used this year. Unlike last year, all of the Idols had their itunes stuff up for a short time after the finale, and the top two had a lot of their itunes stuff up through the tour. Yeah, the analysis is a bit skewed because of the availability of the itunes and Walmart compilations, but this does indicate that some folks saw these guys on the Idol tour, on GMA, and in the press, and turned around and made some itunes purchases.

  • yinyang

    I can’t make any determination of what these numbers mean, since we don’t really know what they represent. So, I’ll consider them meaningless, and not get into the debate on what they mean.

    But, I think it’s important to remember that there are a lot of casual viewers of AI, and a lot of people who may buy post-Idol music who don’t watch Idol at all. And, any of the post-Idol releases needs to capture a lot of these people to be successful.

    I think, for the long-term careers that we all hope that the S8 people will have, it’s more important to look at what all happens with sales moving forward. Will their singles sell well? Will their albums sell well? Can they make money touring? That is what matters now, and we don’t have that data yet for any of the S8 people. They’re just getting started. We can look back a year from now and see how the year went for everyone, but we won’t have any answers quickly.

    I hope that they’re all successful.

  • JazzRocks

    LOL, every grandma and mom is getting SuBo for holiday. Is it gonna be like Groban’s christmas album last year?

    Well I’m a mom and a grandma and no one in my family would be silly enough to get me Susan Boyle’s CD. lol

  • Ratna12

    @lorismile:

    I agree completely with your little list, especially #3.
    Unfortunately I’m always in a defensive mode when I have to read any
    articles of Kris with the comments section. Kind of sad, really.

    As time goes on though, hopefully this will pass.
    Can’t wait for season 9 to begin, although I kind of feel sorry for the contestants; how can they be able to compete with the talent AND the considerable good looks of the Top 2 of the last 2 years.

    I think that the AI fans have been spoiled these past 2 years.

    Love you, Kris !!

  • 409musiclover

    Allison iraheta’s single was just available for download November 5. So 31,000 is great for 24 hours. Kris has had his single out. Adam has more than one single out. Allison will be iconic. Her album will not be available until December1.

  • https://twitter.com/pmhowden undercooked

    Allison iraheta’s single was just available for download November 5. So 31,000 is great for 24 hours

    From my understanding, the 31,000 is just the number of downloads after the AI finale and doesn’t include any numbers from her single. We won’t get her single numbers until next week. Ditto with FYE. No numbers for that single yet either. I suspect most of the 31,000 will include fan favs like Cry Baby. I suspect she would have sold alot more if they had made the duet with Lauper available for download. That was great.

  • abbysee

    Okay, I am bit late to this party but this seems to mean what. These are not the numbers from the season, which are the number we really want. These also might not include the new singles? So what is does mean is that these are No boundaries numbers plus whatever picking we could get after the season ended? So you might as well throw out Allisons numbers, because there wasn’t much to pick through. I frankly agree with whoever said that this was just some number thrown to either get us to debate and not really anything worth debating about. Hmmm.

  • dawnnoleen

    Remember Kris’s and Allison’s single came out at least a month before Adam’s. I think these numbers are meaningless right now as some of the singles got a lot of promotion and some did not. Let’s wait until after their albums come out before so we will have a better idea of how the three are doing. Personally I hope all three at least have a GOLD album and hopefully a Platinum.

  • smartalek

    Right now it appears as if none of the singles for the AI s8 idols are doing well on iTunes. Middling on the iTunes Hot 100 on the week your tune went on sale on iTunes is VERY bad IMO. iTunes is probably the most noticed place for young ppl buying music and if the songs don’t achieve top 10 and better yet #1, it reflects poorly on a) their original AI fan base’s ability to give them high initial sales and b) it suggests that non-idol watchers will not even realize the song exists and c) that the singles won’t be radio hits. This is a HUGE problem and I think part of the problem is with 19 Entertainment signing 4 of them thus splitting the marketing power. Or else 19 is just too plain cheap to give the idols effective promotion. And believe me single sales will reflect album sales. And a gold album without the single sales to match it will not lead to career success and may lead to them being dropped from their labels at the end of a year or two. For ex., probably the only reason David A. wasn’t dropped was b/c Crush was a very successful single and so his label intends to give him a sophmore album with more tunes like Crush. David C. on the other hand, sold a platinum album though his single sales essentially bombed after TofML. So he won’t be dropped yet either. But if his sophmore flops, he’ll be dropped before he knows what hit him. Jordin Sparks has had a lot of success with R&B singles so she has essentially made it. Her sophmore debut is laden with the types of singles that worked off of her first album and so her label will cont. to market her successfully. Daughtry took off right away with his album sales and single sales. My point is success has to happen right away or the idols are dropped period. Right now the single sales are just NOT there for S8 faves and that does not bode well for Adam, Kris, or Allison.

  • http://www.irish-wolfhounds.com Buderschnookie

    Right now the single sales are just NOT there for S8 faves and that does not bode well for Adam, Kris, or Allison.

    Do you even have iTunes single sales numbers on Adam?
    No.
    Are you counting singles sold through vendors other than iTunes?
    No.
    Do you even have album presale numbers on any of them?
    No.

    Bit premature to go making pronouncements.
    Come back next spring when we like, actually know things.

  • hypertwink

    I can see why he would assume half-empty since last year, iTunes showed the trend of the sales for the Davids. So while there are no definitive sales figures, it’s quite interesting to note that the S8 singles are not high up on the iTunes singles chart, unlike their predecessors who at least hit number 1 for a (half a) day or so.

  • https://twitter.com/pmhowden undercooked

    I can see why he would assume half-empty since last year, iTunes showed the trend of the sales for the Davids. So while there are no definitive sales figures, it’s quite interesting to note that the S8 singles are not high up on the iTunes singles chart, unlike their predecessors who at least hit number 1 for a (half a) day or so.

    I suspect Adam’s FYE charted higher on the first day or so of ITUNES, but the numbers were frozen for a couple of days due to glitches. So we will never know. I also don’t recall either David having their single for sell on their official website, so that could skew the numbers as well. Still not sure why AO opted to sell the single. Was it easier to access for fans outside the US? I also don’t think either Kris or Adam have the AI fanbase that either of the Davids had. But having said that, it sould like they both have created far superior debut albums than either of the Davids, based on the reviews I have read so far.

  • hypertwink

    I don’t know but didn’t FYE just debut a week ago on iTunes? I expected it to be higher on the chart.

  • https://twitter.com/pmhowden undercooked

    I don’t know but didn’t FYE just debut a week ago on iTunes? I expected it to be higher on the chart.

    Yeah, me too, but who knows? It was available on AO and Amazon for three or four days before it was available on ITUNES. From my understanding, the first few day downloads for any idol are made by the AI fanbase. Perhaps Adam’s fans purchased on AO and Amazon instead of waiting for ITUNES.