Ken Warwick Disingenuously Covers His Tracks

Ken Warwick and his fellow American Idol producers must have been crapping themselves after Apple inadvertently allowed the iTunes popularity bars for Idol downloads to be visible last Thursday.

When asked about the glitch last night, he told FOX LA: “There are no download numbers from iTunes…it’s not true…there were no numbers released.”

Well, that’s not a lie, exactly

The iTunes folks don’t release numbers on their download site for any of their artists. What they feature are popularity bars, allowing iTunes users to sort lists of songs according to their popularity.

Normally, the popularity bars are hidden for Idol tunes. Last Thursday, for a brief time, they were visible.

And I’ve got witnesses, people.

  • Blog reader Primeminister was the first to notice the glitch HERE.
  • Within a matter of minutes, the kids at Idol Forums were creating their own charts HERE.
  • Within about 90 minutes of the glitch being discovered, I snagged my own chart right HERE.
  • And Apple has screwed up before. Check out the Wildcard episode leak right HERE.

Ask Rickey from Rickey.org. He was making charts based on the iTunes popularity bars through most of last season until the glitch was fixed. In hindsight, the charts proved to be pretty accurate snapshots of where the contestants stood in the competition.

The charts are easy to create when it’s possible-just dump the songs you want to compare into a playlist, and then create an iMix out of the collection.

So Ken? Nice try at covering your ass, but unfortunately you score an EPIC FAIL. Watch him duck and cover here:

After the JUMP, check out the judges reaction to last night’s surprising bottom 3. Simon Cowell admits he’s wrong. Oh My.

  • http://www.myspace.com/gwendolyndiane GwendolynD

    I don’t even know why this is such a big deal anyway.

    It was one chart. One.

  • http://myspace.com/susanatfox sumidol

    LOL at him!!!! – and thanks Primeminister at bringing this to Mjs attention!!!!

  • just sayin

    I loved having this little glimpse into the sales this season. Very interesting! We won’t see it again though.

  • cacity87

    I didn’t believe the chart for one sec, anyway. It was inaccurate only representing the most “recent” downloads. But whatever floats your boat and makes you want to prove Adam is the all-time top seller.

  • http://myspace.com/girlgeek mj

    It was one chart. One.

    Yes. And with last night’s results, Danny Gokey was vindicated in the end, so it’s all good.

    I wouldn’t have brought it up again. Except for that part where I’m being called a liar.

    But whatever floats your boat and makes you want to prove Adam is the all-time top seller.

    LOL. I wasn’t out to prove anything. The chart became visible. I wrote a story on it. The end.

    And the news cycle begins anew with Adam’s bottom 2 appearance, so who cares, really.

  • Kirsten

    Way to go primeminister. Keep ‘em dancing. This is just like Woodward and Bernstein.

    Seriously, the more Ken addresses it, the more news it makes. Just ignore us “freaks on the internet” (as you like to call us). Just turn off the monitors for the Idols you don’t want to win, create a few frankenbites and only allow them to sing “Muskrat Love” next week (sorry, kid, it’s the only song that cleared) and you are golden. No need to battle in the trenches.

  • Victoria

    MJ, you’re getting a lot of attention lately!

    As for Warwick… It’s not like he’s going to say, “Why, yes, we did screw up! And of course our TCO Danny isn’t doing as well as we make it seem like he is!” Although I wish he would.

  • weareallinnocent

    FWIW, I get why it’s brought up again. And, Warwick brought it up. If it meant nothing, he’d have ignored it, imo. :-)

    mjsbigblog posts all things Idol, no? This is a development in a continuing story — again because Warwick, for whatever reason and whatever his agenda, chose to speak.

    Anywho, I find it odd that he chose to speak if that’s all he had to say. Hardly a denial or ironclad defense, but then he knows most of America hasn’t a clue the difference between what he’s saying and what he’s not!

  • http://www.myspace.com/gwendolyndiane GwendolynD

    It was one chart. One.

    Yes. And with last nightà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s results, Danny Gokey was vindicated in the end, so ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s all good, isnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t it?

    I wouldnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t have brought it up again. Except for that part where Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢m being called a liar.

    That was not directed at you. Nor was it about Danny. I don’t do that.

    My point is that these charts were floating around for the majority of last season, and no one picked it up. Suddenly, they’re out for one day, it’s a big deal, and Ken Warwick’s doing coverup. If I’m being honest, they really didn’t reveal anything extremely surprising.

  • http://myspace.com/girlgeek mj

    My point is that these charts were floating around for the majority of last season, and no one picked it up. Suddenly, theyà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢re out for one day, ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s a big deal, and Ken Warwickà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s doing coverup. If Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢m being honest, they really didnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t reveal anything extremely surprising.

    Sorry Gwen. :redface_wp:

    I agree. It must have been the NYP story and how it spread that made him respond.

  • CookorHubbyHmm

    Natalie Cole is a blowhard. What is she talking about?

  • http://www.AuthorsTeam.com ghostwriter

    How many papers picked up your story in the post?

    Also, Kara was a cute kid with a good voice, huh? Interesting to see her as a little girl, it makes it easier to understand her personality today.

  • http://myspace.com/girlgeek mj

    How many papers picked up your story in the post?

    People, Huffington Post, Perez. Enough.

  • baxter

    Hey MJ…bet your Post editor is loving you. After your story hit all the other media sources, Post traffic must have gone up considerably. WELL DONE!!!

  • snuffles

    I think the producers are REALLY pissed about the ITunes leak, your article and all the news media picking up on it. And the way they handled last nights episode was their retaliation.

    It was there way of saying LOOK! You’re wrong about Danny not doing as well as we’ve been shoving down your throats. Kris is NOT going to spoil our evil plans! And Adam is not invincible and the pre-determined winner!!

    Last night was there attempt to b!tch slap the media and the viewing back into their AI designated places.

  • http://twitter.com/cara_lee pj

    Way to call out Warwick for his machinations, MJ. You go girl!

  • http://myspace.com/girlgeek mj

    It was there way of saying LOOK! Youà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢re wrong about Danny not doing as well as weà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢ve been shoving down your through. Kris is NOT going to spoil our plans! And Adam is not invincible and the pre-determined winner!!

    Last night was there attempt to b!tch slap the media back into their place.

    I have been known to visit the grassy knoll, and yes, I think it’s entirely possible that whole deal, except for Matt’s elimination was entirely fabricated.

    My iTunes article came on the heels of a bunch of press speculating that Kris may be catching up to Danny Gokey, and that perhaps Danny was losing some steam, and hey, BTW OMG Adam is sooo totally going to win.

    So, yeah. Pretty fishy.

    But on the other hand, I think it’s entirely possible that vote-splitting caused Adam and Kris to wind up at the bottom.

    I don’t think we’ll ever know what the deal was last night, unless the producers release vote totals. And that ain’t gonna happen.

  • Keel

    I didnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t believe the chart for one sec, anyway. It was inaccurate only representing the most à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“recentà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  downloads. But whatever floats your boat and makes you want to prove Adam is the all-time top seller.

    What are you talking about? No one said that they represented an aggregate of everything sold since the beginning of time (or S8 at least). Even in the comments section (in the blog where MJ first discussed the iTunes boofoo) it was clearly discussed that the popularity bars on iTunes only represented recent purchases (3-4 days or so) and not release-to-date info. If people are reading the popularity bars incorrectly, then that’s their problem.

  • AC

    The conspiracy theorist in me thinks that they deliberatly did a bottom 3 to show that the top 2 in itunes (sales possibly) is not safe and try and show that it’s not accurate. I think having Adam in the bottom 2 would be shocking enough and they never have a bottom 3 for top 5 week (right?). To me, it is still pretty accurate even if it is one shot because it’s important for these contestants to stay on the charts rather than shoot up and then go back down.

    Anyways, the taunting of Simon by Kara was pretty funny.

  • dreamr

    You know what I love about this whole chart “scandal”? The fact that last year, when David Cook was constantly at the top, most of the Archies were saying “Sales do not equal votes!! Just because DC is at the top does not mean he has the most fans or gets the most votes or that he’s the most popular!!” Yet now that Adam is at the top, so many people are saying “SEEEE!! He IS the most popular and he DOES get the most votes and he does have the most fans!!” lol

    Btw, I only watched the second video (to see Simon apologize hah) and it made me want to see the rest of the show. XD

  • http://myspace.com/susanatfox sumidol

    “”””And the news cycle begins anew with Adamà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s bottom 2 appearance, so who cares, really.”””””

    Right on to this, Adam can’t win for losing – he sings last and they call foul to that, he ends up in bottom even singing last and foul is called again. funny

  • Natasha

    Warwick is pissing himself because Danny was shown to NOT be the number one seller.

    What to do? Roll out the depimping bus for Adam and Kris with a bottom three appearance.

    Result? Danny is back on top. Situation normal.

  • jan

    What is this about it being the only time Simon admitted he’s wrong? Didn’t he admit last year at the finale that he was wrong in his original judgement of David Cooks’ final performance?

  • LostInSanity

    Of course, it is very fishy. And guess what, if the producers didn’t have the pimp machine going full blast for someone who clearly is not selling tunes, maybe they wouldn’t be having this problem.

    Why are Adam’s fan vote splitting? If Adam’s fans believe he was safely at number 1, they are essentially voting for number 2 and they weren’t voting for Danny. Isn’t a vote for Allison as much a vote for her as it is an anti-Danny vote? Putting Adam in the bottom 2 not only reminds fans they have to vote for their favorite, it discourages them from thwarting the producers’ planned finale of Danny v Adam.

  • FrankieABG

    Cacity
    Yes, they are the most recent sales and Adam’s tracks from weeks ago are still there in the top 10. I don’t know about you but I don’t know many people who download the same tracks again and again every week so I daresay that new people are downloading these and, therefore, discovering or coming around to Adam.

    This doesn’t tally with him being in the bottom two last night due to his votes having stalled. I don’t doubt he was in the bottom two, I don’t subscribe to the conspiracy theories. As far as I am concerned, he got the second lowest number of votes. It would, however, suggest that there are underlying reasons for it – namely complacency and the vote splitting and no voting that results from that.

  • EllieA

    I agree the whole thing is fishy. But here’s my question: Why do TPTB want Danny on top so badly? What am I missing here? I know YMMV and all that, but isn’t Danny Taylor Hicks part II just based on his itunes sales alone at this point?

  • Doogs

    It reminds me of Taylor Hicks year… all season if you had looked at dial idol, you’d have seen Taylor ahead, yet all anyone could talk about was Daughtry.

    Very similar this year, Adam gets all the attention, but if you look back at every week of dial idols numbers, you’ll notice something very different going on. 5 of the last 7 weeks, Danny has been on top. We’ll see what happens at the finale, and it wouldn’t shock me at this point to see any of them get eliminated including Danny, but there is a very good chance that Adam doesn’t win.

  • http://www.irish-wolfhounds.com Buderschnookie

    It was one chart. One.

    I could see bars as late as yesterday afternoon on both Danny and Adam’s songs by clicking on “see all songs by this artist’ on their individual page.
    None of the others, though.
    They are gone this morning.

  • Tess

    I have been known to visit the grassy knoll, and yes, I think ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s entirely possible that whole deal, except for Mattà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s elimination was entirely fabricated.

    I am not into conspiracy theories but I find last nights results show nothing if not weird. And I am totally fine with Adam being in the bottom 2 and wouldn’t have been really surprised if he had gone home…hurt but not surprised. But, just to make sure that Kris and Adam were in the bottom 2 or 3 VOTE GETTERS I rewatched the videos. This is what Ryan said:

    “This is Your Bottom 3″ and later “This is the Bottom 2″. Not once were votes mentioned in the telecast other than when Ryan revealed the total number of votes. Take it however you want………

  • cwg509

    I agree the whole thing is fishy. But hereà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s my question: Why do TPTB want Danny on top so badly? What am I missing here? I know YMMV and all that, but isnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t Danny Taylor Hicks part II just based on his itunes sales alone at this point?

    THIS

  • EllieA

    à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“This is Your Bottom 3à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ³ and later à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“This is the Bottom 2à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ³. Not once were votes mentioned in the telecast other than when Ryan revealed the total number of votes. Take it however you wantà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦Ãƒ ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦Ãƒ ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦

    I also rewatched and when he sent Kris over to the stools he said something along the lines of, “You are part of the top four,” not the “top three.” Don’t know if it means anything, but I noticed it.

  • Trina

    What is this about it being the only time Simon admitted heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s wrong? Didnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t he admit last year at the finale that he was wrong in his original judgement of David Cooksà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢ final performance?

    Correct. Not only did he backtrack on the red carpet and said the show was completely different when he watched it back on TV, but right before DC was named the winner Simon said it wasn’t quite the knockout he called the night before, then apologized to him. So yes he’s admitted to being wrong before.

  • dreamr

    I also rewatched and when he sent Kris over to the stools he said something along the lines of, à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“You are part of the top four,à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  not the à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“top three.à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  Donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t know if it means anything, but I noticed it.

    I just took that to mean that Kris was going to be part of the four moving on to next week. Four were going to be moving on, one wasn’t. Kris was part of the four. Nothing more.

  • oceana

    Simon has admitted he’s wrong many times. It’s when he’s at his most charming. I swear he’s a split personality. I almost like him when he admits he’s wrong.

    I am not into conspiracy theories but I find last nights results show nothing if not weird.

    I know. I’m not a big fan of Adam’s and I don’t like conspiracy theories, but I lean to thinking that they put him in the bottom 2 to create a shocker.

    Better they should have put Danny there, hee.

  • Tess

    But hereà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s my question: Why do TPTB want Danny on top so badly?

    I don’t think they necessarily want Danny on top, I just think that they want the “show” itself to keep reeling in the viewers each week. If I really think about it the $million they are going to “spend” on the eventual winner of Idol is absolutely nothing in the grand scheme of what the show itself earns in advertising revenue. As long as they can keep the bucks coming in and the investors happy TPTB are happy. No matter who wins they’ll spend the million and then, unless the winner is recouping the investment, they’ll send them on their way.

    AI now knows that its winners DONOT need to be successful to keep the AI franchise going. Once the summer tour is done and the $$ have been banked for the year everyone is on their own. That’s the reason that so many contestants are let out of their contracts early….AI doesn’t need them like they once thought they did.

    Having Non-winner monetary successes like an early Clay, or a J-Hud, or a Daughtry just means that the “winner” becomes less relevant every year. Gokey and his backstory has (in TPTB minds) been a Godsend for AI. They have found a sympathetic character who many in America want to see if he’ll “win one for Sophie” this year. So they are staying tuned.

    All that being said, I still love this show and love the Kids. If my fav gets his/her foot in the door after all the crap this show puts them through I’ll be real happy. Realistically, a contestants success, though helped by AI, still depends on their own hard work and diligence.

  • Natasha

    I don’t understand why they want Danny to win but it’s clear they do.

    They must be furious at the amount of attention Adam has been getting and then when everyone started talking about Kris being a potential finalist instead of Danny they must have been beside themselves with rage.

    I expect the show to really start pushing Danny next week in every way possible and the depimping bus to continue to gun for Adam and Kris.

  • windmills

    “I donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t think they necessarily want Danny on top, I just think that they want the à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“showà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  itself to keep reeling in the viewers each week. If I really think about it the $million they are going to à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“spendà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  on the eventual winner of Idol is absolutely nothing in the grand scheme of what the show itself earns in advertising revenue. As long as they can keep the bucks coming in and the investors happy TPTB are happy. No matter who wins theyà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢ll spend the million and then, unless the winner is recouping the investment, theyà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢ll send them on their way.”

    ITA. I’m sure I’m not the first person to make this point but IMO what TPTB want is the culture clash finale matchup between Adam and Danny. It’s the one that’ll get them the most buzz and probably the most votes (many of which will be anti-votes against Adam or Danny). It’s the one matchup that will make AI seem relevant. Think about it: did anyone care about Miss America/Miss USA before the Perez Hilton/Miss California dustup? IMO that was a Trump setup through and through. The Adam vs. Danny finale will have everyone talking about what the result will say about America. Are we ready to vote for a gay guy? How strong is the religious right? It’s a finale made for the media because it’s easily categorizable.

    I don’t think TPTB care who wins. But they NEED the Adam vs. Danny finale and they need it to not seem like a foregone conclusion who’ll win.

  • kerfuffle

    Ryan absolutely said to Jamie Foxx that Adam and Matt were the bottom two. So Adam came in fourth in votes. I definitely believe it was an aberration based on a combination of complacency and vote splitting on the part of Adam‘s fans. No reason for those wanting Adam in the finale to worry, though. It’s truly the best thing that could have happened to him at this point – since he ended up being safe. His fans will vote for him like crazy, as will Kris‘s fans. The one hurt the most by this, imo, is Allison, since she won’t be the recipient of any split votes from those wanting her in the Top 3 (but not wanting her in the Top 2, or to win) any more.

    Of course, those who want an Adam/Kris/Allison Top 3, at least get them all in the Top 4, which might not have happened (though I think it still would have – but Allison would probably have replaced Adam in the bottom two) if she hadn’t gotten split votes from Adam and Kris fans.

  • LostInSanity

    Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢m sure Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢m not the first person to make this point but IMO what TPTB want is the culture clash finale matchup between Adam and Danny.

    Clearly, when Paula said Danny and Adam in the finals in Week 1 of the show, she made it pretty obvious what was intended and what has played out since. I hate the culture clash idea if it is true. How manipulative can they get? I would understand better if Danny had real star power, but he doesn’t. Even in the Christian music genre, he’s not going to be anything special. However, I don’t think those Brits have a particular hankering for middle-America. I think they would just as soon free the show from the grip of this stronghold if they can hold on to some audience. However, if the audience voting is totally different than the audience buying records, they have an imploding program. One aspect has to sustain the other aspect for this to work. So the voting being totally at odds with the iTune results to me seems destructive to the show and they need to amend their plans.

  • cay

    Every year people act shocked that the show is manipulated, and almost lies told, and that there’s a lot of trickery/evil stuff going on backstage that we don’t know about. The Idols can’t talk about it after they are gone, but syesha came pretty close if one exit interview. It was pretty funny.

    It’s all just a reality ENTERTAINMENT show. A popularity show. I think they are all close in votes and that Adam was indeed bottom 2. If you are active, in school, career, kids and have a busy life but were an Adam fan, would you feel the need to vote? He’s been all but declared the winner.

    Also, the show is a Middle America popularity contest. It is owned by FOX. Adam was and is NEVER NEver never going to win this thing. There’s so many “family friendly” complaints about Adam. Danny is perfect for the title. He is talented with a good story. I’m happy for a Danny win.

    Adam looks likes he wants to win, but I’m with Whtiney from EW. Why the heck would he. (I think he’s just too wrapped up in the Idol bubble at the moment) He will be much better off leaving next week. The show is very disingenuous. The ONLY thing I’m upset with, is the laughing and lack of concern all the judges had to the bottom 3 – then especially bottom 2. Almost always before they pretended to care. Last night they just laughed in their faces. Their joy is mocking others. Simon isn’t involved with the Idols at all after the show. Paula isn’t exactly on top of the charts. They know nothing.

    Adam and Kris have the itune sales. And they have the younger, peer group solid fans. They both have reached people outside of Idol which will be their targeted audience. No matter where they finish, they have the best chance for success after Idol. It’s not like winning Idol automatically makes you some super star or anything. They all run together to me anyway except for Kelly and Carrie. In my neck of the woods, Elliiott and Archie are all over the place and seems to doing great right now.

  • mac

    ITA. Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢m sure Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢m not the first person to make this point but IMO what TPTB want is the culture clash finale matchup between Adam and Danny.

    This makes sense. I also believe that because TPTB are sooooo greedy, they will want it all. And the best combination for them making money would be to have the “clash” between Danny and Adam, but then have Adam win. They have to be looking at those iTunes sales as indicators of how an artist is potentially going to sell. I stress the word “potentially” because of course an artist selling during idol is not a guarantee for success post-idol. But Danny hasn’t shown any strong sales at all. And they have been pimping Adam a lot! Always performing near the end, light shows etc. so it really seems like they want him to win.

  • lavender1960

    Well the interesting thing about this year is I don’t think anyone can say for sure who the final 2 will be at this point, not like it was the same time last year when we all knew it was going to be David vs David. Does make it a bit more entertaining.

  • maturin

    You know the thing where people assume that the show is panicking at every step over ratings, and then people point out that it could lose another ten percent of its audience and still be the number one show? And that even with projected declines it might remain a highly rated show into the 2020s?

    I wonder whether all the fan theories over the producers supposedly hating or raging against one contestant and desperately trying to control the final order isn’t missing a similar dynamic.

    In addition to the profitability of the show, every Idol winner except one had had a platinum plus selling album and some radio success (or a multi-platinum album and lots of radio success in the biggest cases). And that season, 5, they got their big selling artist from further down the order. Signing Daughtry made them confident that if they really thought a valuable fish had slipped through they can make it work from a lower finish position.

    In this very flawed season, they’ve still managed to create a Season 8 Final Four where there’s
    * lots of iTunes customer interest in at least 2 singers (Adam and Kris),
    * and at least 2 singers are seen as colorful cultural “types” that have big hardcore fanbases (Adam and Danny),
    * and at least 2 singers are seen as the unjustly under-rated but artistically deserving underdogs (Kris and Allison) (and the followers even the two frontrunners see them as unjustly treated victims, too)

    . . . The producers have acted like investors diversifying their portfolio or bettors spreads their bets for their viewership and suspense for the remaining 3 contests, their highest-selling ad segments of the year. Ratingswise, their spread of bets is very likely to win in whatever order the remaining singers go out.

    That being said, you can never have *enough* ratings or enough buzz so they do resent MJ and other online detectives removing any of the mystery with data.

  • LostInSanity

    And the best combination for them making money would be to have the à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“clashà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  between Danny and Adam, but then have Adam win. They have to be looking at those iTunes sales as indicators of how an artist is potentially going to sell.

    And isn’t a bit ironic that the proof of this statement actually was on display last night with Taylor Hicks. That’s what happens when the voting audience differs from the buying public. I really don’t think they want to go down that road again.

  • anibundel

    I think a lot of Adam fans were vote splitting. I know I was. iTunes made it obvious he was top two, leading in fact. He didn’t need me to vote for him, did he?
    And I think that putting Adam in the bottom two last night was the producer’s way to rally Adam’s fan base, and tell them to stop wasting their votes on Kris and Allison. And I think it worked. I think Next week we’ll se Allison go home, and then Kris and the producers will get their Evangelical vs Gayboi finale.

  • Tess

    When all is said and done….based on a vast number of posted comments over the last two months we are down to the final 4 that was either “wanted” by many or “expected” by many or a combination of the two. Yes we have lost some “really” good people but I think that this final 4 has been listed as the biggest possibility for weeks now. And for some of us we have our obvious “choice” of who we want to see go out next, but the reality is that the final 3 will really be determined by a lot of casual voters next week. Even though we talk about the vote splitting that “seemed” to occur this week we only have our little internet world to go by.

    I know that all four of these contestants have a very strong and vocal fan base and I really think that no matter how anyone sings next week those fans are going to support them unconditionally. I have this feeling that Allison picked up a lot of Lil fans, Kris got a bunch from Anoop and Adam and Danny held steady. So this coming week it will depend on where the Matt fans go and whether the “Adam scare” can light a fire under his group.

    I don’t think judges comments will mean as much but I really think performance will…and TPTB can’t control that as much as they think they can. It’s going to come down to the basics, if a contestant messes up one line or one note or doesn’t put it all out on the table…they will be history IMHO.

  • lavender1960

    Two interesting items at Hits Daily Double News, great industry site

    IDOL AUDIENCE AGING: The median viewer age for American Idolà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s Tuesday shows this season is 42.9, or more than 11 years older than when the show premiered in the summer of 2002, the L.A. Times noted. With eight seasons early in the books, Idol is still TV’s top show, and it has an excellent chance to stay on top for years to come, Scott Collins wrote. According to Fox, the show could lose 12% of its audience every season and it would still be a top 10 show through its 15th year, in 2016. While Tuesday episodes this season have averaged 26.5 million viewers, down 10% compared with the same period last year, the show has recovered a bit lately and over the past three weeks is even up slightly compared with last year.

    ADD AGING IDOLATORS: The above info likely explains an unusual ratings phenomenon this season, in which Idol’s Wednesday results show (26.8 million), which is heavily padded with filler material, has slightly outperformed its Tuesday edition, where the contestants actually compete, Collins pointed out. This hasnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t happened since the showà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s first season. It’s possible that Idol’s graying audience is tuning in Wednesdays to catch oldies acts like 65-year-old disco icon Thelma Houston (who performed this week), early-’60s teen idol Frankie Avalon and Smokey Robinson. It was the kids who were most attached to the competition itself, Collins stated, and they’re beginning to lose interest. (4/30a)

    http://www.hitsdailydouble.com/news/rumormill.cgi

    Now this could explain a few things like why has it taken Allison so long to build up a base – it mirrors concerns that AI is perhaps losing that younger demographic for whatever reason and might explain the thinking of TBTB and TCO.

    However I, as someone older than the the median age viewer, would say the reason the elimination show is getting better ratings is because Idol has put together a better elimination show along with musical guests worth tuning in for, and I don’t mean KC from the Sunshine Band. Like Daughtry and No Doubt next week? Killer. You don’t have to be a fan of Idol to appreciate that music.

  • MaryS-NJ

    Why are Adamà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s fan vote splitting? If Adamà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s fans believe he was safely at number 1, they are essentially voting for number 2 and they werenà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t voting for Danny. Isnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t a vote for Allison as much a vote for her as it is an anti-Danny vote? Putting Adam in the bottom 2 not only reminds fans they have to vote for their favorite, it discourages them from thwarting the producersà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢ planned finale of Danny v Adam.

    I don’t hate Danny (don’t love him either). I don’t love Adam (don’t hate him either). Allison is my favorite. When I vote, I vote for her, not because I hate one or the other of her competitors. Milage varies and all that. But yeah, I agree when some fans’ #1 seems safe, they will feel comfortable voting for #2 and then a favorite ends up in the B2.

    I have a crack (knollish?) theory: The PTB want Danny to be their winner because (i) there will the be media outrage that Adam didn’t win. As they know with Daughtry and Clay, outrage motivates fans as much as the winner’s fans are motivated by joy, and (ii) if Danny wins and they slot him in the Christian contemporary category where he really belongs, he won’t be expected to sell as many UNITS as a top 40 artist. If it’s a fact that the audience for the show is older than the record-buying public (i’m not sure about that), it may be inevitable that the winner will not necessarily be the most “commercial” if what’s commercial appeals to a younger demo. Anyway the spin on this by the PTB is ‘we’re proud of our first Idol winner in the Christian contemporary genre’, while the crowd favorite’s outraged!fans buy lots of CDs to show the world that “America got it wrong!1!!! – part 2″ * and there will be lots of buzz, buzz, buzz which the PTB love, love, love!

    *I know Adam’s fans at MJ’s blog are not nearly that insane, I don’t mean to generalize. Like I said – crack.

  • lakhesis

    Haha I see the point of your post MJ. I’ve actually seen many posts that demanded visual proof to confirm the claims on who was selling the most etc. When your site was proposed as supporting evidence, it was repudiated. ‘Fans can easily adjust the itune popularity bars.”

    Ehs. But the disbelievers will stay silent and continue to disbelieve.

  • undercooked

    Last night was there attempt to b!tch slap the media and the viewing back into their AI designated places.

    So true Snuffles, and I feel soooooooooooo bitch slapped.

  • mac

    Has there ever been a top 3 with 3 guys in it? Allison may have an advantage (maybe like Syesha seemed to have or Katherine had) because she is the only female left in the competition.

  • Kirsten

    Has there ever been a top 3 with 3 guys in it?

    No, but Season 3 featured an all girl top 4 (Fantasia, Diana, Jasmine and Latoya).

  • thesheriff

    and I donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t mean KC from the Sunshine Band

    LOL I loved that show- yeah they all sucked but that’s why I loved it. Plus KC is a funny man from what I’ve seen of his interviews.

    Congratulations MJ for the recognition. Wish they woulda said mjsbigblog on that interview.

  • rockvixen

    Didn’t Simon admit he was wrong to David Cook last year for dissing David’s finale performances?

  • lavender1960

    I hear ya thesheriff, I didn’t mean to diss KC – I bought the first big album from KC & the Sunshine, during my disco bunny days.

    My point was us old folks aren’t just tuning into the elimination show because of the oldies but goodies on the show like a Smokey Robinson but because of the overall quality of the musical guests from Lady GaGa to No Doubt to Kelly Clarkson and even Kanye, just to see if he sucked live yet again. And yes this old broad actually likes Kanye’s song Heartless and some of his other hits.

    The AI elimination show is almost rivalling SNL in terms of quality of musical guests and at this point probaby provides more humour [sighs for the better days of SNL].

  • mac

    I really have enjoyed the result shows more this year also. For me though, it is because they have a previous idol on each week. I love hearing about what they are currently doing and what albums/songs they are promoting. It is so fun to see them and how far they have progressed from the show. I think having an idol performance paired with a current artist’s performance is the perfect combination. I hope idol continues doing that for all the future years to come.

    I would also love to see more idols perform on the finale show, doing duets or singing solo.

  • Skylark

    Did I miss the interview MJ did for the Boston newspaper?

  • Ellie2

    I’m new to this AI game (first season I’ve watched…please don’t throw things at me), but how accurate is that zabba search site? I heard they correctly predicted that Daughtry was going to be voted off and they are standing by their assertion that Adam was the highest vote getter Tuesday night. Just curious what sort of reputation they have.

  • Victoria

    Ellie, I generally ignore Zabba. They are notorious for changing their picks as soon as the results are announced.

  • itsalleternal

    Another big win for our own mj, and an EPIC FAIL for the producers!

  • sunchick

    AI now knows that its winners DONOT need to be successful to keep the AI franchise going.

    Maybe. But they don’t like it, though. Winning is supposed to be the happy ending to the fairy tale. It’s much easier to plan a good story arc climax and denouement for the finale that way. They want the singers to want to win, not be cool with fourth place shock boot. That’s why this results show was tres weird.

    I didn’t watch the results show because, hello, 100th episode of the best show that ever graced my television screen, LOST. Went back and watched today and was struck by the utter lack of outrage, shock, dismay, or even mild surprise that Adam landed in the bottom. After telling him that he’ll be in the finals? Not even a gasp? That’s not a way to motivate a fanbase. When Ruben hit the bottom, wasn’t there a lot of handwringing and shame on America? That’s fanbase motivation and propping. What they did with Adam? That’s depimping. A big ol momentum killer. ESPECIALLY so when they also make him The Huff and try to put a dent in his humility and likability factor. A lot of the articles I’ve read today are of the vein “is Adam as popular as we thought he was?” rather than “what was America thinking?” Here are the possible motivations for the depimp that I came up with…

    1) Adam did something to piss someone off behind the scenes and this was about putting him in his place. Maybe the call to the Upright Cafe was a big no no? Didn’t Blake get a hand slapping via a mild depimping Season 6 right after he snuck out and broke curfew?

    2) They were shocked that Adam’s vote totals dropped off so steeply for whatever reason, got freaked out that they’ve been backing the wrong horse, and they decided to backtrack on the Danny/Adam finale and start pushing the idea that Anyone! Could! Win! last night instead. It was a CYA manuever because Adam is truly in serious vote tally trouble and no amount of fanbase rallying will catch up him to the other 3 now.

    3) The snuffles theory: They used the depimping of Adam to make a point with the media after the whole iTunes brou ha ha. Warwick and pals are control freaks and don’t take kindly to MJ, Slezak, and the like thinking they’ve got the AI machine figured out. Yeah, it was just one peek at the popularity bars, but dammit, they thought they had taken care of that info leak. How dare these peons try to foil their well laid plans? They’ve bitchslapped VTFW, they’ve bitchslapped DI, and now it’s the bloggers turns. The general consensus with the AI press has been that this is Adam’s crown to lose, so what better way to take the wind out of the sails than to switch horses mid race back to Danny, who is not a fave of the AI press, as the frontrunner, and depimp Adam?

    4) This is going to shape up to be a replay of David v. David, when they alternated the pimping and depimping of each David week to week to keep everyone guessing. One week Simon tells Archie he’s theme-parky and it looks like he’s getting depimped, the next week he tells Cook that Archie owned rock night and depimps Cook, then Cook is pimped again, and top 2 the pimping goes to D’Arch. Etc etc etc. That’s how they tried to build suspense for the inevitable finale between the two frontrunners. If this is the plan, next week Adam will make a triumphant bounce back into the top 2, Danny will get a little tiny smackdown of some sort, and either Kris or Allison will go home.

  • oceana

    I don’t know how to put this, but I seriously think it would be a day to mourn if Danny won Idol. I can’t see him as the winner, no way, no how, and to have his picture up there with the others at the start of the show would be truly awful. Forever after he would be linked together with the other winners, and to my mind, he doesn’t belong there. I have never felt this way before about a potential winner.

    I feel like I’m in the Twilight Zone because I don’t know who’s voting for him, or why the judges pimp him or why they want him to win. Eerie. I can’t imagine him in the same category as Kelly, Carrie, Fantasia, David Cook, or the other winners. He’s not their equal and not at their level. It would bring the show down in my mind. But why do reviewers like him too? I don’t get it (that’s an understatement).

  • mac

    I feel like Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢m in the Twilight Zone because I donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t know whoà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s voting for him, or why the judges pimp him or why they want him to win. Eerie. I canà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t imagine him in the same category as Kelly, Carrie, Fantasia, David Cook, or the other winners. Heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s not their equal and not at their level. It would bring the show down in my mind. But why do reviewers like him too? I donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t get it (thatà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s an understatement).

    I feel the same way oceana. There may have been some previous idol winners that weren’t my picks for that year, but regardless, I always felt that they were deserving. I’ve never felt so out of it on idol before. I am clueless as to what is going on this year.

  • Grammie Kari

    I know YMMV and all that, but isnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t Danny Taylor Hicks part II just based on his itunes sales alone at this point?

    It irks me everytime I see Danny’s name in the same sentence with Taylor Hicks. Taylor is an ENTERTAINER, Danny is a slightly better than average singer. I cannot warm up to him and do not find him funny. The cake video with Allison was too long and seemed out of place.

    Had TPTB done their job in promoting Taylor’s CD and had him on the show a few times, I believe his sales would have been so much greater.

    Great job, MJ and friends.

    Why do they want Danny to win? Uh, maybe to please Rupert Murdoch – a right wing conservative? Oh wait…skip that. There is no such thing as political motivation on this reality show. *cough cough*.

  • sweetie99v

    4) This is going to shape up to be a replay of David v. David, when they alternated the pimping and depimping of each David week to week to keep everyone guessing. One week Simon tells Archie heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s theme-parky and it looks like heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s getting depimped, the next week he tells Cook that Archie owned rock night and depimps Cook, then Cook is pimped again, and top 2 the pimping goes to Dà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢Arch. Etc etc etc. Thatà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s how they tried to build suspense for the inevitable finale between the two frontrunners. If this is the plan, next week Adam will make a triumphant bounce back into the top 2, Danny will get a little tiny smackdown of some sort, and either Kris or Allison will go home.

    this makes sense. I guess it would be boring if there was no “suspense” at all since it is first a tv show.

    Does anyone know who sells better between David A. and David C.?

  • mac

    Does anyone know who sells better between David A. and David C.?

    I’ve learned my lesson. I’m not touching that one! :laugh_tb:

  • Doogs

    Grammie kari — so you have to be a right wing conservative to like Gokey? Or hate adam? Give it a rest PLEASE! How about recognizing that perhaps people like Danny beacause to quote Randy Jackson “THIS IS A SINGING COMPETITION AND YOU CAN SING!”…. the man has a great voice. You may not love it, nor do you have to, but please….. its different strokes for different folks, and it has nothing to do with your politicial leanings.

  • sweetie99v

    That being said, you can never have *enough* ratings or enough buzz so they do resent MJ and other online detectives removing any of the mystery with data.

    Very true.

  • Cakenbake

    TPTB have to cover their tracks.

    According to the iTunes popularity rankings Kris Allen has been coming in second place after Adam. Even on his off week when Kris sang “All She Wants To Do Is Dance”, Kris came in 3rd. But every week Kris Allen was in 2nd place since he has performed on the show in iTunes sales.

    Now the media has picked up on that.

    So how is the show going to push a Adam Vs Danny final when Kris is the 2nd top seller on iTunes?

    That means that Danny Gokey is getting a lot of votes, but people aren’t buying his music, like Kris.

    According to iTunes Danny’s fans have not transferred their votes into sales.

  • Chipmunk

    Does anyone know who sells better between David A. and David C.?

    Hang on, let me go grab some popcorn

  • Chipmunk

    Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢ve learned my lesson. Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢m not touching that one! :laugh_tb:

    :laugh_tb:

  • Keel

    Does anyone know who sells better between David A. and David C.?

    Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢ve learned my lesson. Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢m not touching that one!

    Oh for goodness sakes. Alright, I’ll take one for the team.

    Album Sales (Soundscan):
    DAVID COOK (David Cook) 1,106,166
    DAVID ARCHULETA (David Archuleta) 689,798

    First Singles Sales* (approximate numbers only):
    DAVID COOK (Light On) ~900,000
    DAVID ARCHULETA (Crush) ~1,700,000

    Second Singles Sales (approximate numbers only)
    DAVID COOK (Come Back To Me) ~99,000
    DAVID ARCHULETA (A Little Too Not Over You) ~160,000 **

    *excludes David Cook’s Time of My Life
    ** ALTNOY sales as of 4/15/09 (I can’t seem to find more recent numbers)

  • weareallinnocent

    ^^Thanks Keel. Those are pretty. :-)

    I know why you omitted ToML, so that’s cool. But do you have the latest total on it? I’m curious as to how high that little rainbow can go.

    sunchick, another good one, although I’m not sure I like any of those theories (but only cuz I’m a big ol’ Adam fan. :-)) After Adam actually sang Feeling Good, I did wonder if he took any heat for that call to the Upright. Hmmmm….

    As for Kenny boy, I’m still ‘turbed that he can spin the press so easily with his toss out of “no numbers were released” to refute that “popularity bars could be seen” and “comparison revealed Adam way ahead and Kris second.” Both of those facts remain untouched, unaddressed, unrefuted, and credible. But the media walks away satisfied? *shaking head*

  • bean99

    It irks me everytime I see Dannyà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s name in the same sentence with Taylor Hicks. Taylor is an ENTERTAINER, Danny is a slightly better than average singer.

    It irks me too because I could never stand Taylor and think Danny’s voice is miles better. Taylor was smart and worked the show to his advantage and he won. I actually don’t mind Danny’s personality. I don’t always love his song choice but I do like his voice and the studio songs I bought were very good. My favorite at this point is Allison but I’d vote for Danny over the other two.

  • sweetie99v

    Album Sales (Soundscan):
    DAVID COOK (David Cook) 1,106,166
    DAVID ARCHULETA (David Archuleta) 689,798

    First Singles Sales* (approximate numbers only):
    DAVID COOK (Light On) ~900,000
    DAVID ARCHULETA (Crush) ~1,700,000

    Second Singles Sales (approximate numbers only)
    DAVID COOK (Come Back To Me) ~99,000
    DAVID ARCHULETA (A Little Too Not Over You) ~160,000 **

    This is interesting. So David C. is selling more albums, but his singles aren’t doing as well as David A. Very, very interesting.

  • sweetie99v

    According to iTunes Dannyà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s fans have not transferred their votes into sales.

    Nope, and that is a BIG warning. 40 million votes/26 million viewers doesn’t necessarily turn into a long, lucrative career. Personally, I’d rather have the people who sell than the reverse. I also find it interesting, how the top sellers (Adam/Kris) also seem to have the largest online following…….

    Anyways, it doesn’t make the show look good when the losers outdo the winners….. besides, the is about finding stars who can hang with the best of them.

    I don’t understand the big deal about the Itunes release. For one thing, it was only for a day, and for another, they should care who sells!! lol Obviously, Adam was starting to get bigger than the show, and Kris was really creeping up there so we had to bring them both down a peg or two.

    Oh well. the truth will be after the show. Not who wins. As we know, the winner doesn ‘t always do well. Actually, outside of Carrie and Kelly, the winner hardly does well. And Please don’t bring up Jordin Sparks…that single with Chris Brown saved her from a similar fate of Fantasia/’Ruben/Taylor. I don’t know much about David C. I missed last season so I can’t say anything about him.

  • Tess

    Not to beat a dead horse….I’m wondering if our own perspectives cloud the reality of an AI’s contestant’s sales after idol. Who are we comparing the idols to: each other, the “average” singer who has a mainstream album, the super famous who have taken years to build up a fanbase, the working musician who is totally OK and blissfully happy that they have a “career” in music. I think that sometimes the weights and measures for Idol success is completely whacky. As far as I can tell each Idol champion is still in the business, is still making money doing what they love, are still very young. Maybe they haven’t had all of the awards or accolades that are available but who really has. They have found their niche and are comfortable. Kudos to them!

  • maturin

    Album Sales (Soundscan):
    DAVID COOK (David Cook) 1,106,166
    DAVID ARCHULETA (David Archuleta) 689,798

    First Singles Sales* (approximate numbers only):
    DAVID COOK (Light On) ~900,000
    DAVID ARCHULETA (Crush) ~1,700,000

    Second Singles Sales (approximate numbers only)
    DAVID COOK (Come Back To Me) ~99,000
    DAVID ARCHULETA (A Little Too Not Over You) ~160,000 **

    This is interesting. So David C. is selling more albums, but his singles arenà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t doing as well as David A. Very, very interesting.

    Er, that would only be if you left out DC’s other single, Time of My Life, currently at 1.1 million.

    Yeah, there’s some reasons why the winner’s single sells for different reasons, but it seems kind of odd to say, “hey Archie sells more singles– as long as you subtract a million from Cook ’cause he had a head start.”

  • maturin

    theyà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢ve bitchslapped DI, and now ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s the bloggers turns.

    It does seem like they really didn’t like how DialIdol was a) diminishing suspense and thus viewership for results night and b) giving fans what they at least believed was data they could use to check against producer manipulations. So they found a way to make it less reliable.

    Like the Boston Globe article said about MJs, they’re probably both enthralled and frustrated with MJs, Idolatry, TWOP and the rest because of the “don’t look at the man behind the curtain” factor.

    It’s not so much that they think any specific secret conspiracy is revealed is that explaining to the public how the tricks are done feels like a threat to their money-making magic show.

    Like the Susan Boyle thing–if you’d seen the Brit show do the EXACT SAME THING with Paul Potts, and endless useless child singers, it wasn’t nearly as moving.

    Concealing iTunes data is probably less about protecting a specific contestant and depimping others just this year as the fact that viewers armed with a better understanding of actual music sales would be far more skeptical about the show.

    I say that even though my first instinct, like the fandiot I am, was “they just want to hide how well Kris is doing!”

  • hcpoirot

    But why pimping Danny when his music didnot sold very well? If he got into the finale or even won the title, what will the producer achieved? A winner without many much sales when his album come out later this year?

    Why not pimp Adam and Kris to the finale cause they sold a lot and will probably be more sucess after idol end. . That will promote AI more like Kelly, Carrie and Daughtry done so far.