Kanye West Ruins Taylor Swift’s Moment

So, I was at the American Idols Concert last night, and managed to miss a major TV moment!   I heard all kinds of shiz went down at the MTV Video Music Awards, so I headed over to the MTV site to check it out.

So geez, Kanye West, are you mental?   There he was, bullying Taylor Swift in the middle of her acceptance speech for Best Female Video, cause HE was pissed it didn’t go to Beyonce for her “Single Ladies” crap. Maybe it was scripted? Well, no. Reportedly, Taylor was seen crying back stage.

  • Kelly Clarkson and Kellie Pickler kick Kanye’s ass – Check it out HERE. Kelly: “I’ve seen you do some pretty sh—y things, but you just keep amazing me with your tactless, a–hole ways. It’s absolutely fascinating how much I don’t like you.” And Taylor BFF Kellie: “Tator Tot, you handled yourself with Grace. Kanye, go grow some f-ing balls, bi—! don’t mess w/my lil sis!!”
  • West apologizes via twitter: “I’M SOOOOO SORRY TO TAYLOR SWIFT AND HER FANS AND HER MOM. I SPOKE TO HER MOTHER RIGHT AFTER AND SHE SAID THE SAME THING MY MOTHER WOULD’VE SAID. SHE IS VERY TALENTED!””

Beyonce did win an award, Video of The Year for “Single Ladies,” and she started her speech reminiscing about how excited she was when she won a VMA at 17 as part of Destiny’s Child. After, Beyonce called 19-year old   Taylor out on stage to finish her speech.   And she did! To a cheering crowd.

Seriously, this isn’t scripted? Really? Maybe Kanye was on some secret MTV mission to help boost their ratings? No? Ok.

Also, there were a couple of touching tributes for Michael Jackson.   One could say Michael made MTV and vice versa.   Michael’s peer, Madonna gave a lovely heartfelt speech.   And the VMA’s opened with a tribute featuring Michael’s sister, Janet.

See the Videos after the JUMP…

Taylor Swift Wins for Best Female Video – Kanye West ruins her moment

Beyonce wins Video of the Year – She asks Taylor Swift to Take the Stage to Finish her Speech

Madonna Tribute to Michael Jackson

Michael Jackson Tribute featuring Janet Jackson

  • dreyraglin

    That was no way scripted like the fake chessy Idol cause Kanye has done this before and kanye had to leave the show early tonight because of it. Beyonce felt so embaressed when Kanye did that and Taylor wanted to cry I know. Kelly Clarkson and Pink went in to call him an ass as well.

    However Janet did her thing redoing Scream and the show was in all good spirits and Lil Mama at the end of Jay-Z and Alicia keys performance at the end if the show was all kinds of random lmao

  • saspurs21fan

    I was watching the show live and could not believe what Kanye did, had to use the DVR twice just to realize what had happened! Then anytime during the rest of the show that Kanye’s name was mentioned, the crowd booed. I read an online article that he apologized on his blog, but if you read the quote, it’s a halfa$$ apology. Also read that he has done such things at other award shows. He should be banned, but he won’t… because of the ratings boost. Just now finished looking at photo gallery from the red carpet and it looks like Kanye had a bottle of liquor in his hand. Hmmm?

  • fearbear

    I don’t think it’s scripted at all, you can see that Taylor was very visibly shaken. Kanye is just an asshole – bullying a teenager, stay classy Kanye!

    I agree that Single Ladies is a better video than You Belong With Me but it’s not her fault that she won. She seemed genuinely shocked and excited, earnestly happy that she’s like one of the few country artists to get recognized by the VMAs and then moments later, she just stood there helpless and heartbroken. It was very sad to see.

    But the upside for Taylor is she will get lots of publicity for this, lots of love from the press while everybody hates on Kanye. Kelly Clarkson posted a scathing blog against Kanye, Pink actually had to be restrained against him, heck even the person he was flattering (Beyonce) isn’t even on his team. This will be good for Taylor in the end, I just don’t know if it was worth the humiliation and having that special moment taken away from her by a grown ass man.

  • saspurs21fan
  • Chipmunk

    Kanye’s a bitch!

    Having said that though, Beyonce should have won in that category.Single Ladies to me isn’t crap, not by a long shot!That video was sick!

  • leome

    I’d like to think this wasn’t staged, it’s just cruel. But they could have stopped Kanye, of course MTV is more interested in the ratings.

    I love how everyone’s just calling him what he is. You just don’t do that and get away with it.
    And his apology letter is fascinating. It’s like reading “I’m sorry… but not really because I was right”

  • jammasta

    I honestly kinda thought he’d changed a bit after he congratulated Kris for Heartless and seemed a bit calm in a show appearance soon after that, LOL @ me.

    Anyway, I do think Beyonce’s video was better, but Taylor won and deserved her moment. Not a fan but hopefully the publicity is good for her. She does deserve it.

    I wouldn’t be surprised if this was all staged. Kanye West still has a big fan base even if he acts like an arrogant asshole, Taylor Swift gets publicity for her moment being ruined, and Beyonce is portrayed as angelic and kind, so they’d all have something to gain (Although judging by the audience and celebrity reactions, this may have backfired immensely for Kanye. And I don’t see the three collaborating in such a way JUST for publicity). Then again, I just read that Taylor cried, and I don’t think either she or Beyonce are the type to act like it’s staged.

    I also wouldn’t be surprised if Kanye reveals he’s severely depressed. Not that he is, but he is really off in his “show-off” stuff compared to other showy people. It’s like he’s not human, but not in a good way (like Adam Lambert).

    Also, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=49aGAWCp-Vg

    Gave me a good laugh, especially at the end.

  • Chipmunk

    ‘I’m sorry’ ¦ but not really because I was right’ 

    Well he was right in the fact that Beyonce should have won that, but he’s a dick for what he did!

  • cilady

    I felt bad for Taylor, but Kayne was totally on point re: Single Ladies being the best video. It’ll be the only one anyone ever remembers a few years down the line. I laughed because it’s the VMAs and every year people expect stuff like this.

    But Taylor Swift will be fine….and so will Kayne. Asshole or not, he’s still one of the best rappers on the field right now.

    His apology was hilarious though. Not much of an apology really…I don’t really believe that he thinks that “cheerleader line” was actually any good.

    I honestly kinda thought he’d changed a bit after he congratulated Kris for Heartless and seemed a bit calm in a show appearance soon after that, LOL @ me.

    Nah, he was going on about how awesome he was for being about to create Broadway-level melodies. Kris singing the song feeds his ego. It’s a good song but really? And what’s hilarious is that Kayne probably has a very good chance of winning a Song of the Year grammy. I’d be surprised if it doesn’t get nominated!

    I think this is why he continues to be an asshole because no matter what he says people will still buy his tracks, want to collaborate with him and he’ll still win awards. No incentive to stop.

  • ozarka

    Here’s the link for the red carpet photo.
    http://omg.yahoo.com/photos/2009-vma-red-carpet-report-card/3223/27#id=7

    Maybe he was drunk. Did you notice the bottle of booze in his hand? Although that would not excuse what he did. At least he had enough self control not to grab the trophy from Taylor’s hands. :lol:

  • ozarka

    Here’s the link for the red carpet photo.
    http://omg.yahoo.com/photos/2009-vma-red-carpet-report-card/3223/27#id=7

    Maybe he was drunk. Did you notice the bottle of booze in his hand? Although that would not excuse what he did. At least he had enough self control not to take the trophy away from Taylor’s hands. :lol:

  • qbaloo

    What a jerk. He has some serious problems and hopefully he’ll disappear for awhile and get himself sorted out. Unfortunately, the public has a very short memory when it comes to celebrities and I doubt this latest stunt will affect his record sales very much. He’ll never get a cent of my money though.

    I don’t think this was staged at all. Neither Taylor or Beyonce need to do anything like this to improve their popularity nor do they need more publicity. These two are superstars in their own genres. Beyonce in particular is a powerful entity in the music business and I can’t see why she would lower herself to do a petty stunt. Beyonce…talk to your peeps and get Kanye some help or put a gag in his mouth.

  • carolincarolina

    If I had been standing in Taylor’s spot I think I would have just clunked him over the head with that big heavy award and then pushed him off the stage.

  • Chipmunk

    I think this is why he continues to be an asshole because no matter what he says people will still buy his tracks, want to collaborate with him and he’ll still win awards. No incentive to stop

    True.I for one will buy anything he drops.

    Unless he becomes some mass murderer, i really dont care that he’s an asshole(And he is!)…I just love his hooky tracks

  • Studio57

    I could not believe what I was seeing last night. He is a complete P.O.S.
    although I do agree with others that Beyonce should have won- how classy of her to have Taylor come up on stage later. I hope there is backlash against this idiot but I somehow doubt it. At least he got a helluva lot of boos

    The rest of the awards were amazing ( although I’m a big Russell Brand fan, I think his humor doesn’t fit an American awards show). Madonna’s speech had me in tears( although a couple of times I found myself saying “It’s not about YOU, Madge”), Janet’s performance had me in tears. Pink and Muse , Jay Z, were outstanding performances, along with Lady Gaga ( who I usually don’t like). I also thought it was pretty funny how they would pan to her in the audience during a serious moment and there she was with another ridiculous outfit and make me lol. I am kind of digging that woman at the moment.

  • mitchellvii

    The truly sad part is, have you ever heard taylor Swift sing live without the autotuner remix? Let me put it this way – girl would never have made it past the audition round of Idol. CANNOT SING – AT ALL.

    With Taylor Swift, it is all packaging, song-writing and mixing. Because seriously, girl CANNOT sing.

  • mitchellvii

    That being said, I continue tto be dumbfounded as to how Kanye West sells records. His voice is aeful and his rapping is dismal. Again, with him, it’s all in the mix.

  • https://twitter.com/draddee Sunn

    I’m late to the party, just watched the Kanye fiasco. LOL! For a brilliant song writer that guy is such a bezerker!
    If I sound like I’m not taking any of this seriously, it’s because I’m not.

    Both Kanye and Taylor will have days of publicity because of this. Taylor will get sympathy and will probably sell more records. And Kanye will be seen as the rebel by Hip-Hop fans and will live up to his rep as a total nutter, and sell more records as well. He’ll lose country fans ofcourse LOL.

    Kanye tends to flip-out every year over one thing or the other, I’ve come to expect it from him, rather than surprise my reaction was… Lulz, same ol same ol.

    Anyway, Why is it that music awards always involve some sort of drama? I can’t help but be a little suspicious.

    On another note, Muse saved the VMA’s again. Their performance of Uprising was mind-blowingly good.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vg3IExth5xg

    I should add that the MJ tributes were beautiful and fitting. I took both very seriously.

  • Tony

    Saw it live. I’m a HUGE fan of Kanye but I’m glad that he was roundly jeered every time his name was mentioned throughout the show. I DO think that Beyonce’s moment at the end with Taylor was scripted, though.

    And WTF is up with Lady Gaga? Her performance was ridiculous and her outfits made her look like an insane asylum-escapee. What a damn attention whore.

  • ozarka

    This is a more complete transcript of his apology…

    I’m sooooo sorry to Taylor Swift and her fans and her Mom. I spoke to her mother right after and she said the same thing my mother would’ve said. She is very talented! I like the lyrics about being a cheerleader and she’s in the bleachers! ……….I’m in the wrong for going on stage and taking away from her moment!………………
    Beyonce’s video was the best of this decade!!!! I’m sorry to my fans if I let you guys down!!!! I’m sorry to my friends at MTV. I will apologize to Taylor 2mrw. Welcome to the real world!!!! Everybody wanna booooo me but I’m a fan of real pop culture!!! No disrespect but we watchin’ the show at the crib right now cause … well you know!!!! I’m still happy for Taylor!!!! Boooyaaawwww!!!! You are very very talented!!!! I gave my awards to Outkast when they deserved it over me… That’s what it is!!!!!!! I’m not crazy yall, I’m just real. Sorry for that!!! I really feel bad for Taylor and I’m sincerely sorry!!! Much respect!!!!!

    source: http://twitpic.com/hohj6
    Not much of an apology at all. “Welcome to the real world!!!!”? Huh?? What’s with all the exclamation marks? It’s like he’s shouting the whole time.

  • shark

    Well, K.W. is a bully, not his first and probably not his last. Although I kinda feel for pure Ms. Taylor, this incident was’ ¦ EXTREMLY exciting. I don’t recall , moment like this for a long time now. VMA for the past several years were a huge ball of meh, but this year it rocked! Muse were fantastic, Lady Gaga was freaking exquisite with the fake blood and all’ ¦ I went to her performance and let’s just say she delivers it big time (and then some). It was VMA to remember!!

  • Studio57

    So he did get kicked out of the VMA’s? He should have. I know Single Ladies was definitely the song f the year but you have to give Taylor credit- she is a teen who writes her own stuff ( I think). And she is a country artist that crossed over to pop- major hurdle. As older music fans on this board, I don’t think people realize just how popular TS is. Last year for my daughter’s 6 th grade concert recital, three different girls sang three different Taylor Swift songs. It is not totally far fetched that she won the FEMALE award.

    Tony- a week ago I would have agreed with you abut Lady Gaga, but last night, I don’t know, I GOT her. From the red carpet with Kermit The Frog to the performance art on stage to the wacky costume changes….yes, attention getter, but it worked, and she did it without humiliating anyone else which I guess is a plus, lol.

    Does anyone know if Pink was lipsynching? If not…..how in the WORLD?
    And I forgot about Beyonce- definitely lipsynching, but WOW! That performance! I want to dance like that! And now i HAVE to go see MUSE.

    Lady Gaga needs to dump him from their tour!

    Minus Kanye- Great, great, great show.

  • http://www.twitter.com/sarahruth3 Sarah

    Two important things for SYTYCD fans that are being overlooked in a the Kanye West/Taylor Swift drama (which I’m already over and it hasn’t been 24 hours yet!):

    1. That was Mark Kanemura from SYTYCD 4 dancing with Lady Gaga (love love love her!)
    2. That was all choreographers dancing in the MJ tribute with Janet – including Wade Robson, Brian Freidman, and Laurieann Gibson. Laurieann also choreographed the Lady Gaga performance.

  • fearbear

    you have to give Taylor credit- she is a teen who writes her own stuff ( I think).

    Yes, she writes ALL her own stuff. All of her songs were either written by her completely or were co-written by one other songwriter. So she’s not like one of those “songwriters” who gives one line of lyric and then gets included in the list of the writers just for kicks.

    She’s not the best singer but I have high respects for Taylor, the way she went from a struggling indie artist in MySpace to the biggest country act in the US right now…and practically the only country act in recent years to accomplish any kind of success overseas. You gotta give credit where credit is due. She truly deserved this moment and Kanye is a major asshole for taking that away from her.

  • savgal

    Wow, what a thug!!!! And even though I am not a fan of Beyonce, she is one classy lady to bring Taylor back onstage as she did. Kudos to her! What I hate is that Kris Allen will be singing that creep’s song again on tour. Wish he would make some kind of statement before he sings it — something along the lines of, “Hope you like this song — it’s a good song, but the composer needs to get ahold of himself and not bully young ladies at award ceremonies.”

  • Allison

    That was a horrible, disgusting thing Kayne did. He should have been thrown out of the building. Upsetting Taylor Swift –a kid! Ruining something she was so happy about. Who is he to speak for Beyonce? And why the heck should Beyonce have won that award? Because HE thinks so?
    I also had thought he had changed,after he was gracious about Kris Allen. I guess he was just counting up the $$$ Kris made for him.
    I was hoping he’d have won some award, just to heard the boos and shouting. Now I hope he is well and truly blackballed from getting ANY sort of nomination for ANYTHING.
    I hope Taylor can put this into perspective. While not my total cup of team she writes her stuff, so more power to her!

  • CFIdolsfan

    Yes, she writes ALL her own stuff. All of her songs were either written by her completely or were co-written by one other songwriter. So she’s not like one of those ‘songwriters’  who gives one line of lyric and then gets included in the list of the writers just for kicks.

    She’s not the best singer but I have high respects for Taylor, the way she went from a struggling indie artist in MySpace to the biggest country act in the US right now’ ¦and practically the only country act in recent years to accomplish any kind of success overseas. You gotta give credit where credit is due. She truly deserved this moment and Kanye is a major asshole for taking that away from her.

    Hear, hear. I didn’t watch the show, but saw the video all over TV. Taylor made a statement once, I believe, at a country awards show, about her life experiences becoming subjects of her songs. She did that with one of the Jonas Brothers when their relationship had broken up. She could very well write about this incident, too.

  • terps

    I think the staged part was Beyonce letting Taylor “have her moment”. For one, did Taylor just stand backstage the rest of the show. And Beyonce is the last person in the world I would of thought of to give up the spotlight. My personal opinion, Beyonce should not of won, Single Ladies isn’t all that good of a video. What make dancing around in a liatard the best video of the year or in Kanye’s word’s… off all time?

  • jill16

    Whether Taylor deserved to win or not is beside the point. She did win, and no one had the right to ruin her moment.

  • justshootme

    I love Kanye, can’t help myself. I find him endlessly fascinating. Is he a genious or a mental case? Probably a little bit of both. But he’s incredibly talented and since he already has a rep for being an asshole I doubt this will really hurt him much. As someone said above, I think it’s a win/win/win situation for the three of them publicitywise. And it’s only the VMA’s so I can’t get all that shook up over it.

    Off to rewatch the Gay Fish episode of South Park.

  • luci

    1. That was Mark Kanemura from SYTYCD 4 dancing with Lady Gaga (love love love her!)
    2. That was all choreographers dancing in the MJ tribute with Janet ‘“ including Wade Robson, Brian Freidman, and Laurieann Gibson. Laurieann also choreographed the Lady Gaga performance.

    I saw Mark and I was really excited for him as a dancer. He was right up in front dancing with Gaga and I was like “You go Mark”, this will really help his career. Laurieann did a good job I liked the Gaga performance.
    I also saw in that Mj routine Jlo’s ex Cris Judd. And wasn’t Mia supposed to be in that routine?
    btw I totally agree Kanye is a ahole.

  • pam05

    What the heck was Kanye West thinking? He needs a few lessons from David Archuleta on humility. Thanks heavens Beyonce had Taylor Swift come back on stage and have her moment of acceptance. The MJ tribute was amazing!!!

  • bean99

    I just saw this on my news this morning. Not cool at all. I noticed several idols commented on it on twitter. Nice of Beyonce to let Taylor finish her speech at least.

  • PattyH

    Best Tweet of the night from Katy Perry:

    FUCK U KANYE. IT’S LIKE U STEPPED 0N A KITTEN.
    about 10 hours ago from UberTwitter

  • abbysee

    I don’t think the point was whether Single Ladies deserved to win. When one is nominated for an award, it is assumed that all of the nominees in the same categories deserve it. It is the rule of law that sometimes you don’t get what you deserve. Evidently somebody didn’t think Single Ladies deserved the win. When another person is standing with the award in hand, game over!

    Kanye should be made to answer to his bullshit. I don’t give a damn how talented he is. He hurt another human being. A young talented woman…..so I don’t care if he makes cute little ditties. For what? A VMA! Sicko!

    The thing that pisses me off, and I am pissed….is that this show was supposed to be a tribute to Michael Jackson as well. It started off that way, with two fierce divas Madonna and Janet….and then Kanye just took all of the focus off of that and put it squarely on him. He’s a self-serving prick, and I will be saying it all day! LOL!

  • terps

    Kanye should be made to answer to his bullshit. I don’t give a damn how talented he is. He hurt another human being. A young talented woman’ ¦..so I don’t care if he makes cute little ditties. For what? A VMA! Sicko!

    That is the worst part about it, he did it to a seventeen year old girl. One who already feels out of place because she is a country singer at the VMA’s. Let me see Kanye go interupt Eminem or Diddy or even Beyonce (she wouldn’t put up with his d-bagness

  • shark

    After re-thinking this again, I have nothing but admiration for K.W. I don’t care about Taylor Swift (I just totally indifferent to what she’s doing), but I certainly think it is sooooooo hypocritical and prude to bash out at him for being controversial, brutal and honest. It’s showbiz, it happens all the time, it is the engine of getting attention and without it ‘“ it’ll be boring as hell. Being sweet and lovely is fine, but it will only get you so far. If anything’s makes me a bit sick, is how quickly Beonce used it to her own good. But then again ‘“ everyone does so, every single day, people in showbiz pick fights all around, and I’m very satisfied that we got some memorable moments out of it. I’m just so sick of all these sticky stuff how it’s wrong etc.. all the time’ ¦. Taylor Swift will survive, and KW doesn’t have to “behave” .I hope we’ll have more action like that. My only problem that it was not a very gentlmen thing to do, but again – he is a bully and he stayed by his nature.

  • https://twitter.com/draddee Sunn

    Juat watched LAdy Gaga. I love that woman. She never does the same performance twice, and she’s always interesting, engaging and thought provoking. She reminds me of early Madonna only Gaga can actually sing.

    Great performance.

    She and Muse were the definite highlights for me. And because of them, for the first time in years, the VMA’s didn’t completely suck.

  • Kirsten

    No doubt that Kayne was being his usual classless self at the award shows (the award shows should just seat a security guard next to Kayne to stop him storming the stage given the number of times he’s gone up an interrupted acceptance speeches, but I think they like the buzz).

    Wish he would make some kind of statement before he sings it ‘” something along the lines of, ‘Hope you like this song ‘” it’s a good song, but the composer needs to get ahold of himself and not bully young ladies at award ceremonies.’ 

    Heh, if being a classless jerk is enough to warrant a disclaimer for singing one of his songs, the Idol concert is going to get bogged down with all the disclaimers. The music biz is full of less than perfect people.

  • shark

    She reminds me of early Madonna only Gaga can actually sing.

    The difference is that Madonna did it more then 25 years ago already!!

    But yes, I also love Lady Gaga, I think she is refreshingly unexpected and real. She dares, and this is very admirable.

  • Studio57

    The thing that pisses me off, and I am pissed’ ¦.is that this show was supposed to be a tribute to Michael Jackson as well. It started off that way, with two fierce divas Madonna and Janet’ ¦.and then Kanye just took all of the focus off of that and put it squarely on him. He’s a self-serving prick, and I will be saying it all day! LOL!

    Exactly, he took the whole theme of “peace, love, and MJ” and threw it down the shitter in one fell swoop.

    Shark- I don’t care if he was being “true to himself” – his “self” needs some damn help. Again, we are talking abut how he insulted a young, out of place girl in front of millions of people. Do you have kids?

    And for anyone who says that Taylor didn’t deserve the award, you might want to take a look at this:
    The biggest albums of the year sales-wise appear to be Taylor Swift’s Fearless (3.7 million copies sold), Michael Jackson’s #1′s (3 million!!), Beyonce’s I Am’ ¦ Sasha Fierce (2.4 million) and rounding out the bunch is the ever-popular Twilight soundtrack, which sold a massive 2.2 million copies.

  • Tara

    I loved Lady Gaga’s performance. Very entertaining and she can sing, which in music these days is a big plus. The birdnest around her face was – different.

    Kanye = low class. He needs to spend some time with my Grandma. She would straighten his ass out.

    Katy Perry was funny, “kitten”.. she looked more like wounded bird to me though. Geesh, that was just so mean spirited.

  • Tara

    True to himself? Good lawd. What an argument that is. Reminds me of Cheeks video where he spoofs Miss whatever, saying he’ll use her excuse. “It is just the way I was raised.”

    On a higher note: The True Self would never in a million years behave to another soul in that way. Never. His “True Self” in buried deep within his ego.

  • Dr. Tracey

    I’m late to this but it wouldn’t surprise me if it wasn’t all part of the show. Staged or not it’s shitty.

    Can someone please tell me wtf is sitting behind Beyonce? It’s not Halloween for another few weeks.

  • SparklesATL

    stay classy Kanye!

    In order to stay classy, one first has to be classy.

    No way that wasn’t staged. Just because it was staged doesn’t mean that Taylor Swift knew about it before hand. I don’t think she did.

    This award show has seen its day. For quite a few years now they’ve been pulling stunts like this. Read the VMA Wikki page for a whole list of stunts being pulled throughout the years.

  • Tess

    Initial reaction…shock and horror, then disbelief, then acceptance, then “oh what the hey!”

    Kanye does have his moments and they tend to gravitate to the wrong end of the spectrum. He has total foot and mouth disease and I’m sure there are many times, like this incident, where he truly deserves all the hate and vitriol that is thrown his way.

    I am also sure that the man is a “genius” without the filter that most “normal” people have. He is just wired very differently from most of us….he may know what he is doing or saying is not socially acceptable and is probably wrong but, obviously when he is inebriated, he can’t control those impulses. It’s like the hyper-active 2 year old that is high on sugar….nothing works to bring them down but for the adrenaline to wear off.

    I am not condoning his actions, I admire Taylor for controlling herself on stage, and when all is said and done the publicity ain’t going to hurt anybody.

    The sad thing is that one day the “uncontrollables” will get the better of Kanye and he will really hurt someone or himself physically and then there will be hell to pay. Hopefully he is getting professional help for all the inner issues that seem to bedevil him.

  • Studio57

    Dr. Tracey- You mean this? Looks like she fell face first on a shag carpet and when someone picked her up, the carpet came with her, lol.

    http://twitpic.com/hooev

  • unique28v

    The MJ tributes were brililantly done, and Janet was on top of her game. I loved every piece of it! Madonna also did a nice job. This was a great way to start off the show.

    Kanye West is a douche. He always was and always will be. I don’t know why he cares about Beyonce getting an award. Does he want to marry her or something? LOL

    I actually thought Lady Gaga was going to win that category. I’m glad Single Ladies didn’t win. I’m sick of it. Its a bunch of women wearing little clothing shaking their butts. We see that all the time. I can go to the club tonight and see that. I’m not a country fan, but I respect Taylor Swift for writing her own music, etc. She deserved to win since she was nominated. Anyone nominated deserved to win duh. Besides, Beyonce did win an award. She can’t win them all.

  • Allison

    I think Beyonce was honestly shocked and embarrassed by K. How would she have felt if her moment was ruined by some ass. It was classy of her to ask Taylor up again.

  • abbysee

    After re-thinking this again, I have nothing but admiration for K.W. I don’t care about Taylor Swift (I just totally indifferent to what she’s doing), but I certainly think it is sooooooo hypocritical and prude to bash out at him for being controversial, brutal and honest. It’s showbiz, it happens all the time, it is the engine of getting attention and without it ‘“ it’ll be boring as hell. Being sweet and lovely is fine, but it will only get you so far. If anything’s makes me a bit sick, is how quickly Beonce used it to her own good. But then again ‘“ everyone does so, every single day, people in showbiz pick fights all around, and I’m very satisfied that we got some memorable moments out of it. I’m just so sick of all these sticky stuff how it’s wrong etc.. all the time’ ¦. Taylor Swift will survive, and KW doesn’t have to ‘behave’  .I hope we’ll have more action like that. My only problem that it was not a very gentlmen thing to do, but again ‘“ he is a bully and he stayed by his nature.

    Seriously, you find this admirable? What about keeping his fucking mouth shut, going home, and writing a blog sharing his thoughts? What awards ceremony doesn’t have a wtf win? Should everyone go storming the stage decrying results? Kanye doesn’t have to behave, but he should, because he’s gonna wear out his welcome and all he’ll have is the drama.

    “I actually thought Lady Gaga was going to win that category. I’m glad Single Ladies didn’t win. I’m sick of it. Its a bunch of women wearing little clothing shaking their butts. We see that all the time. I can go to the club tonight and see that. I’m not a country fan, but I respect Taylor Swift for writing her own music, etc. She deserved to win since she was nominated. Anyone nominated deserved to win duh. Besides, Beyonce did win an award. She can’t win them all.”

    Exactly, he said Beyonce had the best video in a decade! Seriously? Then video is in a worst state than I even imagined. I thought Gaga deserved to win as her video was more visually interesting, and the song stellar, compare to Single Ladies. Maybe I should start a letter writing campaign?

  • justshootme

    Again, we are talking abut how he insulted a young, out of place girl in front of millions of people. Do you have kids?

    Uh, as a matter of fact, yes I do. And if my son behaved like Kanye I’d probably want to smack him upside the head. But I also have a teenage daughter, and I still can’t get all in a lather for poooooor Taylor. She came out of this smelling like a rose, and it’s the VMA’s, not the Oscar’s. I’m sure she’ll recover somehow. She seemed fine when she took the stage with Beyonce. Perspective please.

  • shark

    Shark- I don’t care if he was being ‘true to himself’  ‘“ his ‘self’  needs some damn help. Again, we are talking abut how he insulted a young, out of place girl in front of millions of people. Do you have kids?

    What does having kids have to do with that?? It is not a high school; it is a show business with very brutal rules to play by. If one is not ready to play the game, probably it isn’t the right place to be. There’s nothing private or personal about it. Publicity stuns like this were pulled off forever. Is it classy? No. Is it elegant? Like an elephant in a china store. But this is what it is. Taylor Swift is not your child, so feeling parental isn’t relevant. She hardly needs anyone’s protection If any, she only gained by this. You don’t like what he did ‘“ don’t buy his music. He is a thug and a bully, but everyone gets the attention on someone’s account, mercilessly and brutally. For me, this is how this business works, so I don’t complain if it gets out of hands from time to time. If anything, Sweet-Swift only gained by this.
    And btw, it wasn’t a memorial for MJ, just a great tribute to him. So, I totally disagree that KW took any attention of it, no more then Lady Gaga’s blood dance or Pink’s astonishing acrobatic abilities.

  • Studio57

    Best twitters of the night:

    1. “Kanye West doesn’t care about white people”
    2. “Kanye West- when ‘keeping it real’ goes horribly awry”
    3. “Kanye, how can ya be so heartless?’

    Shark- I asked if you had kids because I think if you did, you would feel differently, especially if you have a teenage daughter. So because she is in the industry, she has to automatically have a thick skin?

  • Squirrely

    I also wouldn’t be surprised if Kanye reveals he’s severely depressed. Not that he is, but he is really off in his ‘show-off’  stuff compared to other showy people. It’s like he’s not human, but not in a good way (like Adam Lambert).

    That gave me a good laugh. Jammasta I love when you post.

    ETA: corrected ‘life’ to ‘laugh’ – :)

  • Tess

    and Janet was on top of her game. I loved every piece of it!

    And how quickly we forget about when other performers stepped out of line…Janet and the Super Bowl, anyone. The entertainment industry just doesn’t seem to operate on the same set of rules as the rest of us. So, just like the missteps of Janet and Michael and John Lennon and Madonna and many others this will soon be forgotten.

  • Mary102

    Best twitters of the night:

    1. ‘Kanye West doesn’t care about white people’ 
    2. ‘Kanye West- when ‘keeping it real’ goes horribly awry’ 
    3. ‘Kanye, how can ya be so heartless?’

    LOL! That’s great :-) I at first thought the thing was staged. I guess not, mainly because Kanye does have a reputation of being such a jerk. He really just needs attention, and if he’s not getting enough of it, he’ll make it for himself, even if he comes off terribly in the process. Though I like some of his music, and have SOME respect for him as a music maker (but NOT as a singer), I hate it when people think they’re entitled to act a certain way because of their “talent” or “fame” or whatever he wants to call it. There are way too many classy, talented people out there (like Beyonce) for me to waste time on the antics of someone like Kanye.

  • Squirrely

    Madonna’s tribute was very nice. Of course I loved Janet’s.

    ETA: Madonna’s tribute was excellent – nice does not really cover it.

  • Kirsten

    Dr. Tracey- You mean this? Looks like she fell face first on a shag carpet and when someone picked her up, the carpet came with her, lol.

    That’s Lady Gaga.

    I don’t even know why Beyonce won a VMA for her video either. Sure, she’s an awesome dancer, the song is great and it’s nice to see a video that features more tracking shots and less jump cuts, but the video just isn’t that novel. LOL. At least I didn’t interrupt her acceptance speech.

  • jpfan

    That clip w/Obama was hilarious. Can you imagine if people bum rushed the stage every time the “wrong” person won an award? It would be insane. And this is a pretty lame award as they go.

    Kanye West was drunk and out of control. He also seems to be nuts. This was not staged and I think will hurt Kanye’s career. Doing it to Taylor Swift was like kicking a puppy. This will stick for awhile.

  • Tara

    Initial reaction’ ¦shock and horror, then disbelief, then acceptance, then ‘oh what the hey!’ 

    what a frightening sentence.

  • abbysee

    Just saying that this is a tough business and she should learn how to play with the big boys is insulting. The little country chick outsold everyone this year but Michael Jackson. Including Mr. West. So not only is she ready for this business, she’s kicking ass and taking names, and doesn’t have to behave like an idiot in the process. So yeah, it’s a win-win for Miss Swift. As a matter of fact, it’s game, set, and match!

  • jpfan

    If Kanye West had won the award and Keith Urban jumped up there saying another artist deserved it, Kanye’s head would have exploded from rage. It has nothing to do with Taylor Swift being in a tough industry. It was completely out of line.

    And all the other artists know it. I don’t see too much support from them for Kanye’s crap.

  • Q3

    From Rolling Stone article on Kanye outburst: Kelly Clarkson, Pink, Katy Perry Lash Out at Kanye for Outburst
    9/14/09, 9:24 am EST

    ‘I’ve seen you do some pretty shitty things, but you just keep amazing me with your tactless, asshole ways. It’s absolutely fascinating how much I don’t like you. I like everyone. I even like my asshole ex that cheated on me over you’ ¦ which is pretty odd since I don’t even personally know you,’  Clarkson wrote on her IAmKelly blog. ‘The best part of this evening is that you weren’t even up for THIS award and yet you still have a problem with the outcome. Is winning a moon man that much of a life goal?? You can have mine if it will shut you up. Is it that important, really??’  Clarkson was nominated in the Best Female Video category last night, but added that she was ‘excited’  when Swift was named the winner.

    And leading the list of celebrity tweeters — Adam and Danny:

    American Idol runner-up Adam Lambert wrote on his Twitter, ‘Kanye needs to chill. He freaks out every year. It ain’t that deep man,’  while Danny Gokey simply used Kanye’s words against him, writing ‘How could you be so heartless?’  Katy Perry was less subtle in her tweet, posting ‘Fuck U Kanye. It’s like u stepped on a kitten.’  Kings of Leon’s Nathan Followill said, ‘We lost damnit. Maybe next year. At least we got to see the worst haircut since 1984 try to steal the spotlight from lovely Taylor Swift.’  For more of the Kanye bashfest, check out ONTD’s rundown of celeb tweets.

    Link to entire article

  • maturin

    After re-thinking this again, I have nothing but admiration for K.W.

    Nothing says authentic street realness like grabbing a microphone from a 90 pound teenage girl. I wonder how he’ll demonstrate his steely masculinity next: tweeting against the Jonas Brothers? Throwing down on the cast of High School Musical 3? You stay ridiculous, Kanye.

    That Pink high wire act was AWESOME!! Also, Muse was elegant, and Jayz/Alicia Keys “Empire State of Mind” intense!

  • shark

    Again, we are talking abut how he insulted a young, out of place girl in front of millions of people. Do you have kids?

    Uh, as a matter of fact, yes I do. And if my son behaved like Kanye I’d probably want to smack him upside the head. But I also have a teenage daughter, and I still can’t get all in a lather for poooooor Taylor. She came out of this smelling like a rose, and it’s the VMA’s, not the Oscar’s. I’m sure she’ll recover somehow. She seemed fine when she took the stage with Beyonce. Perspective please.

    My point exactly. This is not a classic case of kids get bullied in the school yard. She is a grown-up multi-platinum selling artist, so I cannot feel sorry but rather amused by the whole fuss. It is a show, let’s not forget about it. There are much worst things that could happen, and anyway it is yesterday news already. Next!

  • becausehelives

    That was classic Kanye. How did he get up there so fast?. security couldn’t stop him? When I saw him I was like o no no., he’s abt to rant again. I see he doesn’t want to change his rep of being a jerk . I think rappers get away with a lot of bad behaviour and it never hurts them. I mean TI is in jail and yet he won an award.

    Next year kanye will be at the VMA ranting again. But I have to say, who was voting anyway?. is it based on music sales?. cos if it’s video Taylor cld not have beaten pink, beyonce or anyone else in that category. whatever.

  • shark

    And I do find Katy Perri’s “stepping on a kitten” remark when relating to Taylor Swift quite insulting and snarky. Let’s condemn her for saying that, poooor Taylor isn’t going to be pleased by the comparison.

  • http://kristentheyellowlab.blogspot.com/ Zsus

    Haha!! Nathan Followill’s tweet is the best:

    We lost damnit. Maybe next year. At least we got to see the worst haircut since 1984 try to steal the spotlight from lovely Taylor Swift.

    I love Kanye, but he’s quite the douche.

  • Squirrely

    while Danny Gokey simply used Kanye’s words against him,

    I noticed that since Danny has been signed he’s been getting mentioned more in the press…or have I just not been looking.

  • Chipmunk

    and I think will hurt Kanye’s career

    It wont. It will be old news in a week

  • shark

    And also – this is JMHO, but I think KW was absolutely on the spot praising Beonce (and not any other exellent nominee in the category) as an opposite to Taylor Swift. This makes absolute sense within his fan base (which probably thought WTF? when she won anyway). And anyway he’ll never be a darling, regardless this particular outburst, among those who prefer Kris’s version of “Heartless”. It’s just business.

  • Squirrely

    I think Kanye needs psychological help….talk about unfiltered

    ETA: Whether he was right or wrong in his opinion is not the issue, how he chose to express it is.

  • Studio57

    We lost damnit. Maybe next year. At least we got to see the worst haircut since 1984 try to steal the spotlight from lovely Taylor Swift.

    One more reason to love KOL.

    Q3 thanks for that link- Ricky Martin calling Kanye an asshole, and Kelly Pickler calling him a bitch……PRICELESS!

  • oceana

    I can’t believe anyone admires kanye for disrupting an awards show. It isn’t about Taylor Swift. It’s about his continued disregard for all awards shows, if they don’t go his way. It’s about the fact that nobody else gets onstage during someone’s acceptance speech, except him, because, you know, he’s special right?

    It’s about him having no control over his emotions or actions, having a huge chip on his shoulder, having no respect for anyone else. He needs help, seriously, he can’t keep acting out like this.

    If someone had interrupted Beyonce’s speech would that have been admirable too? No I don’t think so. Should we just abandon all manners and respect, and let people get up on stage every time the awards don’t go their way, and piss and moan about it? Let’s all just act like spoiled children if we don’t get our way, is that what we want?

    He embarrassed Taylor and Beyonce, and most of all himself. I can have compassion for him because he obviously has psychological and behavorial problems, but he needs to get help, and be responsible for his actions.

    He was an ass, and I’m glad that celebrities and fans on the internet and twitter have called him on it. Bravo to Kelly, Pink, Kellie Pickler, Katy Perry, Ricky Martin and David Cook and everyone else who called it like it was, and didn’t make excuses for inexecusably rude and selfish behavior.

  • bmms

    OMG! Of course, the minute I turned on my computer this a.m. I logged unto MJ’s blog. I was completely appalled at Kayne’s unprofessional, rude, childish behavior. I’ve heard that he has ‘complained’ about past awards that he hasn’t received. What a moron. I’m being nice here. Kelly’s & Kellie’s comments were right on. Kanye needs to get his ass whipped. Big kudos and Big Congrats to Taylor!!!! ;-)

  • suebrody

    I was tweeting during it. I couldn’t BELIEVE what Kanye did (and I am not a huge Taylor Swift fan). She was so happy (she is very cute) and then he acted like a complete jackass. I was so happy that his two nominations were booed (didn’t win, of course). The anti-Kanye trending went on for several hours. Beyonce was nothing but class, Kanye was nothing but crass. I thought Eminem would call him out, but no. It won’t ruin Kanye’s career by any means, but I wouldn’t pick up anything by him anymore.

    Muse was awesome, however. The five seconds of Starlight we heard b/f the commercial break was such a tease. Now I want to see them. No wonder Adam is such a fan.

  • Dr. Tracey

    Studio57 – haha yes! shag carpet sums that one up perfectly.

    What do they say? Even bad publicity is good publicity or something like that?
    This won’t hurt West’s career, it’s show business.

  • bmms

    ETA: Whether he was right or wrong in his opinion is not the issue, how he chose to express it is.

    Ah, no! He didn’t need to express his opinion AT ALL. I just saw the video, and it’s obvious that there are different musicians and artists on various genres at the awards, and EVERYONE cheered Beyonce on bringing Taylor back to the stage. And EVERYONE cheered Taylor before and after she spoke. It is downright unprofessional of him to have acted this way, period. Peace.

  • oceana

    How ironic that Kanye’s going to sing on Jay Leno’s debut show tonight. No doubt it will help Jay’s ratings. Unintended consequences.

    I think this continued rude behavior will hurt kanye’s career. I read the twitters against him last night, they were from his fans and from African-Americans too, his rudeness transcended race and fan loyalty. When other celebrities speak out against you, it’s pretty bad, as that almost never happens.

    He’s done this kind of thing before and I think he will lose out on things like invites to appear (the Leno thing was already planned), invites to awards shows and parties, and honestly I think it will affect his sales and ability to attract new fans, somewhat. If you act like an ass again and again, there are consequences, even for a rich and famous celebrity.

  • carmine2008

    What does having kids have to do with that?? It is not a high school; it is a show business with very brutal rules to play by. If one is not ready to play the game, probably it isn’t the right place to be. There’s nothing private or personal about it. Publicity stuns like this were pulled off forever. Is it classy? No. Is it elegant? Like an elephant in a china store. But this is what it is. Taylor Swift is not your child, so feeling parental isn’t relevant. She hardly needs anyone’s protection If any, she only gained by this. You don’t like what he did ‘“ don’t buy his music. He is a thug and a bully, but everyone gets the attention on someone’s account, mercilessly and brutally. For me, this is how this business works, so I don’t complain if it gets out of hands from time to time. If anything, Sweet-Swift only gained by this.

    You’re missing the point. What he did is unacceptable however you spin it. Whether Taylor gains by this is not important. What he did is WRONG. Period. End of story.

  • Studio57

    Sue Brody- MTV has bonus songs, United States Of Eurasia and Resistance from last night on their site, but no Starlight :(

    http://www.mtv.com/videos/misc/431906/2009-mtv-video-music-awards.jhtml#id=1620608

    MUST see them live.

    Dr. Tracey, did you see her on the red carpet with Kermit? It was hysterical. He was her date and she couldn’t keep her lips off of him. She said she was getting nasty tweets from Miss Piggy all night, lol. I can totally see why people love her now.

  • https://twitter.com/draddee Sunn

    and I think will hurt Kanye’s career

    Lol! it wont. It certainly wont stop me from buying his music. The man is brilliant even if he is a thoughtless nutter.
    People who buy music based on the character merit of the artist will have a pretty flimsy music collection.

  • Squirrely

    ETA: Whether he was right or wrong in his opinion is not the issue, how he chose to express it is.

    Ah, no! He didn’t need to express his opinion AT ALL. I just saw the video, and it’s obvious that there are different musicians and artists on varios genres at the awards, and EVERYONE cheered Beyonce on bringing Taylor back to the stage. And EVERYONE cheered Taylor before and after she spoke. It is downright unprofessional of him to have acted this way, period. Peace.

    Ah yes. He can say he thought Beyonce should have won, like I think Lady Gaga should have won, but the issue is him jumping on stage and ruin Taylor’s moment while making a jerk of himself in the process. What he did was wrong, believing someone else deserved the award was not.

  • Nina1

    There is the occasional public person I find so obnoxious, I express my discontent by not watching his/her movies or, in this case, buying his/her music. Kanye West is now, and always has been, such a person.

    Appalling insensitivity and lack of taste…just inexcusable.

    Maybe congress will censure him???

    ETA: There goes Leno tonight, although it should be interesting. A “What were you thinking?” moment.

  • justshootme

    And also, back to the whole perspective thing. Kanye’s bad behaviour is so ridiculously tame compared to all the guns, gangs, drugs, sexual misconduct, and general mysogeny that is so prevelent in rap. Both the music and the lifestyle. Puhlease.

  • oceana

    People who buy music based on the character merit of the artist will have a pretty flimsy music collection.

    Many will continue to buy kanye’s music but others might hesitate. Last night at least one person tweeted that they erased him from their ipod. It won’t destroy him of course, he’s very talented, but to say it will not hurt at all? I disagree. I think it will hurt some, but it’s impossible to say how much.

    Like the way actions by Chris Brown, Mel Gibson, Russell Crow, and Woody Allen, probably hurt their careers. There’s a reason why people have publicists and try to get good press. To say that negative actions have no consequences makes no sense in the real world. Kanye chips away at people’s respect for him every time he does something like this.

  • jpfan

    “And also ‘“ this is JMHO, but I think KW was absolutely on the spot praising Beonce (and not any other exellent nominee in the category) as an opposite to Taylor Swift. This makes absolute sense within his fan base (which probably thought WTF? when she won anyway).”

    By the way following your logic, anytime the obviously “wrong” person wins, someone should jump on stage and reveal the name of the correct winner. It’ll be a free for all but exciting.

    I don’t think his fan base is so thrilled with his outburst. And I like his music but I’m sure this will hurt. He’s on Leno tonight. That’ll be fun.
    I bet a)he’s contrite and 2)he’s booed.

  • jericho

    If one is not ready to play the game, probably it isn’t the right place to be. There’s nothing private or personal about it. Publicity stunts like this were pulled off forever….. For me, this is how this business works, so I don’t complain if it gets out of hands from time to time.

    I don’t know what “business” you’re referring to but the music and entertainment business that I have been in and around for 20+ years does not, as a rule, work like this. Kanye shouldn’t be given a pass because he’s a rapper or a thug or whatever you want to call him. There are so many more talented singers, songwriters and artists working in the industry right now that if he dropped off the face of the earth I can’t imagine he would be missed. He’s just another marginally talented a**hole who apparently thinks his opinion is way more important than it really is. He needs to STFU.

  • Studio57

    Sunn, I think it will tarnish his career. Some of the Kanye koolaid drinkers will stand by him, sure- but I think he just lost ALOT of fans.Remember Sinead O’Connor? Fionna Apple? People get tired of the BS. And now he lost the respect of his peers. Pink wanting to kick his ass is the equivalent of Frank Sinatra wanting to kick Sinead’s, lol.

    Tonight on Leno will be the start of the Chris Brown-like apology tour.

  • oceana

    And also, back to the whole perspective thing. Kanye’s bad behaviour is so ridiculously tame compared to all the guns, gangs, drugs, sexual misconduct, and general mysogeny that is so prevelent in rap.

    You can always find someone worse, but that doesn’t make it right. I don’t find his behavior tame at all. Awards shows are an attempt to honor artists for their years of effort and hard work to attain the success they deserve. To disrespect these shows is to disrespect all artists. It’s disturbing that there’s such an attitude these days that “anything goes” and “nobody cares” and “nothing matters.” There are people in the world trying to be honorable and respectful, and that’s what awards shows are about. All those musicians and singers on that show last night were being honored by their fans and peers, and none of them want their moment spoiled by someone else’s spoiled tantrum because they didn’t get what they wanted.

  • Sassycatz

    I follow Sockington, the cat, on Twitter and this is what he said:

    sockington INTERRUPTING YOUR VICTORY SPEECH don’t want to mean any disrespect but there should be a category for cats HEY STOP BOOING

    By the way, can Kanye come to my company’s staff awards every year?… I’m just sayin’.

  • gingerly

    Kanye is like any other 2 year old child who has not yet learned that the world doesn’t, in fact, revolve around him.

  • Tess

    People who buy music based on the character merit of the artist will have a pretty flimsy music collection.

    Sunn, I think you hit the nail on the head with this one, like I was trying to imply in an earlier post. The “entertainment field” is full of “gifted” human beings who are proven ass-holes, or who do or say things that are more than upsetting and are oftentimes rude and insulting.

    But the nature of the beast is that “what the general populace wants to see and hear” will most often tend to outweigh the “antics” of the singers and actors who create what the public buys.

    The list of Singers and Actors who have offended each other, their fans, the general populace is pretty much bottomless. The life choices these people have made are oftentimes outrageous and many times totally offensive and off-putting and many times illegal.

    But as a consumer of movies, music, stage performances, etc. I make a choice to honor the craft and ignore the rest. If I were to cross everyone off of my list for what they have done outside of their “job” I would be the one that suffers not them.

  • jericho

    The man is brilliant even if he is a thoughtless nutter.

    I don’t find him talented AT ALL. I hate his music. If I find anything written or performed by him on my children’s ipods they will lose said ipods. He’s a bully. I have zero tolerance for that kind of BS.

    People who buy music based on the character merit of the artist will have a pretty flimsy music collection.

    Really? I can’t think of one person out of the 100+ singers that are on my ipod that would even dream of being disrespectful to one of their peers.

  • http://myspace.com/girlgeek mj

    Lol! it wont. It certainly wont stop me from buying his music. The man is brilliant even if he is a thoughtless nutter.
    People who buy music based on the character merit of the artist will have a pretty flimsy music collection.

    I agree. And the reason I wondered if it was staged–the VMA’s have become known over the years for outrageous watercooler moments.

    I’m not saying what Kanye did was right–sounds like he was drunk. But it fit right into the over-the-top spirit of the VMAs. The VMAs are not the Oscars.

    By now, I’ll bet Taylor is over it. She came out smelling like a rose, and it’s great publicity for her. Beyonce also had a major PR moment last night.

    Kanye will be reviled for awhile, but I don’t think it will hurt his career in the long run–he’s got a reputation for being an a’hole. That’s his shtick.

    And Taylor has many more wonderful uninterrupted award moments to look forward to. She’s probably going to clean up at the CMA’s.

  • becausehelives

    But the nature of the beast is that ‘what the general populace wants to see and hear’  will most often tend to outweigh the ‘antics’  of the singers and actors who create what the public buys

    u are so right and that’s why i laugh when people say boycott this person or that person. it never works. look at chris Brown someone used his forever song for their wedding video and the song which was even old went back up the charts reaching no 2 for weeks. this is after he beat up his girlfriend and everyone was screaming boycott.

  • unique28v

    So, just like the missteps of Janet and Michael and John Lennon and Madonna and many others this will soon be forgotten.

    Kanye CONTINUES to display a bad attitude. Attitude can get you far or it can completely destroy you. He better watch it. His continued bad behavior and ego is running thin to the point that even his follow music artists are turning on him. Thats not the same thing as a wardrobe malfunction to me. But whatever.

  • revcat

    Keeping it real means being who you really are no matter what the circumstances and all three were keeping it real, Taylor, Beyonce and Kanye. Musically my tastes are eclectic, I have all 3 performers on my iPod. I won’t change my buying habits or my opinion of the 3 aforementioned performers. I already knew Taylor and Beyonce are class acts and it’s been apparent for some time that Kanye has a problem. Hopefully being booed by his peers was a wake up call, one can only hope.

    Is there anyone in the whole wide world more beautiful and classy than Beyonce? What she did was truly amazing but not at all surprising. As for the VMA show, it has moments of greatness mixed with a moments of trash. MTV is past its prime, overall it’s a classless, trashy channel and I really can’t believe it’s still on the air. I really don’t know if I would want their award sitting on my shelf, but congrats to those that won.

  • http://kristentheyellowlab.blogspot.com/ Zsus

    I agree. And the reason I wondered if it was staged’“the VMA’s have become known over the years for outrageous watercooler moments.

    Yeah, I was suspicious. But, then…it’s Kanye. Also, I think the crowd is pretty lit by the time they take their seats for the ceremony, so anything can happen. And poor Li’l Mama, who was also inappropriate when she bounded on stage during JayZ’s number, isn’t getting the attention she hoped for thanks to Kanye and Beyonce stealing her thunder! I expect an outraged tweet from her very soon.

  • unique28v

    I don’t find him talented AT ALL. I hate his music. If I find anything written or performed by him on my children’s ipods they will lose said ipods. He’s a bully. I have zero tolerance for that kind of BS.

    I agree. LOL I don’t get the big deal about his music either, but whatever. Different strokes for different folks. And his attitude completely ruins it for me. I can’t patronize people who come off that bad. Even Eminem has more sense than Kanye and that isn’t saying much.

  • dreyraglin

    Of course Beyonce’s is far more memorable than Taylor Swift but it was Taylors moment and Kayne showed his true colors and finally got caught on it and he just needs to go get some help. Both Beyonce and Taylor showed class and my respect for Beyonce was already high but now it’s higher even if that was scripted but the Kanye thing I know was not. Like somone said Beyonce or Taylor r to famous to get that type of publicity. Neither does Kanye but that’s what happened.

  • bmms

    If Kanye West had won the award and Keith Urban jumped up there saying another artist deserved it, Kanye’s head would have exploded from rage. It has nothing to do with Taylor Swift being in a tough industry. It was completely out of line.

    And all the other artists know it. I don’t see too much support from them for Kanye’s crap.

    BRAVO!

  • oceana

    There are numerous videos on youtube of Kanye acting out, getting in altercations and feuds, having meltdowns, leaving interviews drunk, disrupting awards shows (like the EMAs in 2007). I don’t admire thugs. It’s sad that so many kids look up to guys like him.

    I don’t agree mj that it’s no big deal because Taylor will clean up at the CMA’s etc. She will always have this memory of a moment spoiled and being humiliated on camera in front of millions.

    He does have a reputation for being an a’hole but it’s too bad that that’s cool these days to be one. But then people of bad character are successful in many walks of life and always have been.

    I don’t like kanye’s music but if someone I liked acted like this over and over, I would eventually lose interest in them and stop excusing them. And probably not want to buy their music either, if it reminded me of the kind of person they were. BTW my music collection is extensive and no major a’holes in there LOL.

  • unique28v

    MTV is past its prime, it’s a classless, trashy channel and I really can’t believe it’s still on the air.

    Wow…. you really spoke the truth here. LOL Last night was the first time I watched MTV in a loooooooooooooong time, and it was only because I wanted to see the Jackson tribute. I saw I wasn’t missing anything. I will continue to skip over that channel.

  • Squirrely

    Wow’ ¦. you really spoke the truth here. LOL Last night was the first time I watched MTV in a loooooooooooooong time, and it was only because I wanted to see the Jackson tribute. I saw I wasn’t missing anything. I will continue to skip over that channel.

    I don’t care for it either. They don’t show much in the form of music programs to even call themselves a music station anymore.

  • houstonrufus

    I don’t know, for me it was just an ugly moment. Kind of like Katy Perry intimated, why don’t you just cut off a kitten’s head on stage, Kanye? I know this will illicit groans, but, man, a little civility please? Yeah, I can deal with and enjoy everyone being half naked and constant streams of profanity and outrageous performances passing as creativity, but bum rushing a teenage girl as she wins her first VMA? No small feat for a country singer, by the way. It was just UGLY. It wouldn’t have mattered to me if they had given the award to Minnie Mouse, his behavior was over the line, for me anyway. Yeah, this is Kanye’s schtick. Yeah, it’s the VMA’s. But I didn’t like it. And I’m a fan of Kanye’s music and have defended him before, at least regarding his music and talent.

    If Kanye wants to decide who wins all awards, he should start his own awards show. I’m sick of it. I’m sick of him storming stages and acting like an overgrown child and then shrugging it off like it’s no big deal when he posts some insincere all caps apology on his blog. Who the hell died and made him the authority on all awards?

    I do have new respect for his “girlfriend”, though. She must be numb from the neck up.

    And has been stated before, dumb move, Kanye. Taylor has fricking owned the charts for a year now and has outsold everyone. Her popularity among key demos is huge. If that was some stunt to gain fans, epic, epic fail.

  • oceana

    So, just like the missteps of Janet and Michael and John Lennon and Madonna and many others this will soon be forgotten.

    Janet doesn’t go around disrespecting people. None of these people do or did. Can you imagine any of these people getting up and disrupting an awards show? No, they have too much respect for artists to do that.

    Kanye is out of control. If a normal person acted that way, they would be in jail or there would be repurcussions. Kanye gets away with it, for one thing because he’s a celebrity, for another because he performs in a musical genre that approves of thugs, gangsters, and lack of civility.

  • http://myspace.com/girlgeek mj

    I don’t like kanye’s music but if someone I liked acted like this over and over, I would eventually lose interest in them and stop excusing them. And probably not want to buy their music either, if it reminded me of the kind of person they were. BTW my music collection is extensive and no major a’holes in there LOL.

    That’s where we differ. I don’t care about the personalities of the artists I like. Only the work matters, as far as I’m concerned.

  • shark

    Just to make it clear ‘“ I do not admire how he chooses to express his opinion. It is rude, and frankly ‘“ Taylor Swift isn’t but a comfortable target, like a kitten really, so it’s not very masculine to pick on her. BUT, he made the choice to create a headline, be provocative, speak up and stand by it (his apology isn’t really one). This is rather rare these days, when artists say they’re sorry 30 sec. after saying something that isn’t 100% PC , have no balls at all for anything, and want to have it both ways at any case. Well, how is it different (essentially) from the way Pink mocked at Jessica Simpson in one of her brilliant videos? Or million other celebrity rivals??? To be perfectly honest, he didn’t insult Taylor ‘“ he never said a bad word about her during his outburst. Was he rude? Sure! But that’s how he is, take it or leave it. Personally, I think it was refreshing and created lots of headlines and buzz (and this is priceless), and putting his personal style aside, its peanuts comparing to lots of other things over the years. Will it hurt his career? Seriously, it is a rhetoric question. As long as he keeps delivering great records and stays out of jail, this one will blow over in a minute. As it should.

  • houstonrufus

    mj, I’m with you to a point. I can normally separate personalities from the work. And, I do own some of Kanye’s music. But the cummulative effect of stunt after stunt is getting to be a huge turnoff.

  • Studio57

    Just wondering MJ- would you buy a Chris Brown record? Not trying to be snotty here, just curious. After the Chris Brown incident I made my daughter take his song off her ringtone. I would never support him.

    EYA: I know the Brown/West incidents are different, just wondering if there is a personal line there that you won’t cross.

    Kanye I never liked anyway since he made his first load of dough off of butchering Chaka’s voice in the hook for Through The Wire. Still can’t believe people bought that crap.

  • http://myspace.com/girlgeek mj

    She will always have this memory of a moment spoiled and being humiliated on camera in front of millions.

    Taylor will always remember the VMA’s, but it will be that moment, when she returned, triumphantly, to the VMA stage with big sis Beyonce by her side, to finally give her speech to an adoring crowd that is clearly on her side, that will prevail, I’ll bet. A once in a lifetime experience, it’s a story she’ll tell her grandchildren, and on balance it won’t be such a horrible memory after all.

  • http://myspace.com/girlgeek mj

    Just wondering MJ- would you buy a Chris Brown record? Not trying to be snotty here, just curious. After the Chris Brown incident I made my daughter take his song off her ringtone. I would never support him.

    I’m not a Chris Brown fan to begin with. But if I was huge fan and loved his music? Probably. It’s like, Phil Spector murdered somebody, but I’ll still listen to the beautiful music he produced.

  • Squirrely

    Just wondering MJ- would you buy a Chris Brown record? Not trying to be snotty here, just curious. After the Chris Brown incident I made my daughter take his song off her ringtone

    I know you asked MJ, but I will answer that I still have Chris on my ipod and I will buy his music if I like it in the future. The incident with Rihanna is two sided in my opnion. Not going to get in a debate so I will leave it at that. I will add I have James Brown on my ipod. I still watch Mel Gibson movies. I have boycotted Seinfield though, the Michael Richards incident turned me off to where I can’t even look at him.

  • pjd

    So, just like the missteps of Janet and Michael and John Lennon and Madonna and many others this will soon be forgotten.

    I guess it depends on the “misstep” – I think that the wardrobe malfunction at the Superbowl DID affect Janet’s career (she was everywhere you looked prior to it and seemed to disappear after that.) Michael was definitely affected by his “missteps” – they are only being “forgotten” (somewhat) after his death. I’m not as sure what Lennon’s and Madonna’s were – just being weird? I was probably too young to know about Lennon’s and, like Michael, once he was gone, any mistep doesn’t count for as much. If Madonna had a major public misstep, I guess I missed it… She pushes boundaries and is polarizing but I don’t remember her being publicly rude.

    Most of the time, I don’t really care about artists personal lives – but there is a limit. If an artist is so publicly vile that I can’t ignore it and the music starts to remind me of that, it WILL affect my enjoyment of their music. To be honest, it hasn’t happened that many times – the artists I listen too aren’t saints, but not many have been that awful.

    edit: adam lambert is not the topic. Don’t drag off topic fan wars into this post.

  • shark

    I’m totally agree with MJ on persona vs music persona. It should be about music and art. I remember that I took pretty hard Mel Gibson’s anti-Semitic mumbling, but still ‘“ watched and genuinely enjoyed Lethal Weapon movies. I still remember, like 25 something years ago, my older brother was absolutely aware and not very supportive of Freddy Mercury’s “life style” but at the same time was absolutely captivated by his genius talent. Little did he know…. Many great world known artists are not people you would like to hang around with, to say the least ‘“ but it shouldn’t matter, it’s all about music. We all know, especially on this blog, among Adam fans, how it feels when it stops being about the music and invades others, totally irrelevant IMO, areas of artist’s life.

  • http://twitter.com/cara_lee pj

    Thanks for the vids, MJ. I’ll watch them when I have a moment here at work. I heard about this last night on twitter and I was sure it was scripted. But I guess not if Taylor Swift was crying backstage. I’m sure she’ll get over it.

    Kanye’s ego and image as an asshole is part of his brand. That’s why I thought it was scripted.

    I also agree that I don’t need artists to be my moral compass. Just give me some good music. That said, I wouldn’t by an R Kelly album. It’s easy because I’m not into his music, but when you get away with shiz like that… just ewww.

  • http://myspace.com/susanatfox sumidol

    An artists personality shines through – good or bad, in their work. So I believe an artists personality makes or breaks the artist as well as his voice an what he or she puts out there. Kanye is dark and ugly on the inside or so it seems and a lot of his work portrays this side of him that a lot of people do not like. You cannot seperate a personality from a persons body of work. It is who they are and what helps them to become good or bad

  • Studio57

    I can respect that Squirrely and MJ. I don’t agree, but I respect it. I guess we all have our personal lines. I guess I am kind of nitpicky about that- i still pretty much boycott Oprah after the James Frey incident,and Metallica for taking away my Napster lol.

  • shark

    I also agree that I don’t need artists to be my moral compass. Just give me some good music. That said, I wouldn’t by an R Kelly album. It’s easy because I’m not into his music, but when you get away with shiz like that’ ¦ just ewww.

    But you would buy a song written by him for Whitney Houston – if you are a fan? It is a good song, IMO….

  • just sayin

    Most people decide to draw the line somewhere with terrible celebrity behavior in spite of enjoying their work. It just differs on where each person decides to draw the line.

    I would bet that most of the people who say they can enjoy Kanye’s music apart from what an ass he is, would probably not have cheered for OJ Simpson if he had gone back on the football field after his acquittal. Yes, OJ did something much, much worse than what Kanye did. I’m just trying to make my point that most people do draw a line somewhere.

    Appreciating someone’s work in spite of terrible behavior just varies with how much tolerance you have for the bad bahavior.

    To me, there are too many wonderful musical artists out there for me to give my money to the Chris Browns or Kayne Wests.

  • http://twitter.com/cara_lee pj

    and Metallica for taking away my Napster lol.

    I actually would blame the recording industry on this one. Had they been quicker to respond with alternative business models, perhaps that whole thing would have been avoided. Besides, Metallica was within their rights as artists to protect their music.

    But you would buy a song written by him for Whitney Houston ‘“ if you are a fan? It is a good song, IMO’ ¦.

    I’m not into her, so again, it’s hard to say unless I was confronted with that choice. I might just acquire it by other means if I liked it. ;-)

    And yes, I do realize the conflict in that and my statement about Metallica. LOL. I’ve always been a shades of gray kinda gal.

  • Studio57

    I actually would blame the recording industry on this one

    No, I directly blame Lars Ulrich ;)
    Besides it’s a lot harder to personally boycott the music industry. Lars was, is, and will always be my scapegoat, even now that I have Itunes.

    Hey, i know it’s not right, but we all have our little personal crusades.

  • shark

    I’m not into her, so again, it’s hard to say unless I was confronted with that choice. I might just acquire it by other means if I liked it.

    You made me lol. This is so much fun!;-)

  • Chipmunk

    I don’t like kanye’s music but if someone I liked acted like this over and over, I would eventually lose interest in them and stop excusing them. And probably not want to buy their music either, if it reminded me of the kind of person they were. BTW my music collection is extensive and no major a’holes in there LOL.

    In really dont care if my favourites are assholes in real life.If I like the music , i like the music.

    I’ll be buying Kanye without blinking an eyelid when next he drops. I suspect so will many many people.

  • eloquent_graffiti

    I do think this might be a tipping point for Kanye West. As much of a powerhouse saleswise as Taylor Swift is, the popular perception is that she’s still a young girl who generally treats everyone well. The “kitten” comment may have been patronizing, but it’s also telling. This can’t be written off as rage against the powerful or one’s peers.

    Now, if his next album is brilliant (and I think the man has made some really good music), he’ll still sell. But sales aren’t the only metric. There are presenter gigs. Sponsorship deals. Premiere invitations. And if West comes off as unreliable and likely to hijack the proceedings, then even ratings-conscious producers and agents might think twice about offering him those.

    Also, the Grammys are exceptionally political. And if anyone believes that NARAS voters never consider anything but artistic merit in making nominations, I have a bridge to sell them. There are plenty of young, buzzworthy acts in hip-hop and R&B that might reasonably garner nominations. To have a public outburst in the middle of selection season was really mistimed, IMO.

  • http://twitter.com/cara_lee pj

    No, I directly blame Lars Ulrich ;)
    Besides it’s a lot harder to personally boycott the music industry. Lars was, is, and will always be my scapegoat, even now that I have Itunes.

    Hey, i know it’s not right, but we all have our little personal crusades.

    Then by all means go for it! I will always hate R Kelly. I volunteered for a project in the mid 90s to address the issue of the digital divide. I taught inner city Chicago kids how to search the Internet, etc All the little 14 year old girls wanted to look up R Kelly. I didn’t think much of it at the time, but once his case became public, I was really, really repulsed.

  • colette

    That’s where we differ. I don’t care about the personalities of the artists I like. Only the work matters, as far as I’m concerned.

    I agree with MJ on this to a degree. Many of my favorite musicians of all time (Van Morrison, Bob Dylan, John Lennon) could be hell on wheels offstage, according to most of their biographers and comrades. Some mega-talented stars are terrific people personally; others are schmucks — just as is true of most professions.

    HOWEVER, in recent days we’ve seen so much rudeness and incivility and in tolerance in our political spheres and in show biz that it’s really getting out of control. It’s not just that a Kanye West would behave like a jerk, or that a Chris Brown would beat his girlfriend into unconsciousness (which is a whole lot worse). It’s that after they do it, they don’t even fully understand why it’s so objectionable, or really apologize fully. I was drunk, or I didn’t know what I was doing, are “blameless apologies,” meaning that they’re no apologies at all.

    Whatever kind of music you like, whatever your political stance, our world is so saturated with media and our children are so much more innundated with it than I was at a young age, that we really do have consider what we’re teaching them indirectly about how to behave — in public and private. Are we going to respect one another, on some basic human level, or encourage more rudeness and nastiness and intolerance? Are there real penalties for such bad behavior, or just more rewards?

    Women can behave just as badly, but it’s no surprise to me that these and other big recent incidents have revolved around egotistical, swaggering men. And what I fear is that even though Beyonce saved the day with her graciousness, in all the over-kill of PR on this Kanye episode (it will probably be the scandal du jour for about a week) there will be plenty of people who side with him too, and he’ll reap a crapload of undeserved publicity from it….

  • Chipmunk

    Just wondering MJ- would you buy a Chris Brown record? Not trying to be snotty here, just curious. After the Chris Brown incident I made my daughter take his song off her ringtone. I would never support him.

    I’m not MJ, but as a Chris Brown fan just chipping in…I bought evrything he did before he went nuts on Rihanna, and I still listen to his music, and I would buy his future records if i liked them.

    I’m not a Chris Brown fan to begin with. But if I was huge fan and loved his music? Probably. It’s like, Phil Spector murdered somebody, but I’ll still listen to the beautiful music he produced.

    I totally agree

  • Kiska12
  • just sayin

    Thank you, colette. It’s a sad sign of the times that terrible behavior is ignored. I think it’s sad that celebrities can act like this or break the law in violent ways and people don’t think a thing about supporting them by buying their music. It’s no wonder that Americans are losing their moral compass.

  • Nina1

    By the way, can Kanye come to my company’s staff awards every year?’ ¦ I’m just sayin’.

    Hmmmmmmmm. Maybe Kanye does have redeeming social value. I may have to rethink my position. :) ……..Nah.

  • http://twitter.com/cara_lee pj

    think it’s sad that celebrities can act like this or break the law in violent ways and people don’t think a thing about supporting them by buying their music. It’s no wonder that Americans are losing their moral compass.

    I think that’s a little harsh. Kanye didn’t break any laws, even if her hurt Taylor Swift’s feelings. I do not see how he and Chris Brown should be compared in any way, actually.

    As for America’s values, who is to judge that we are losing them? I enjoy Kanye’s music. I’d also argue that I’m a pretty good citizen and a nice person…. maybe too nice, as I’m often told.

  • jga94

    I have never been a fan of Kanye’s nor of Taylor’s music but Kanye was really out of line.If I had been previously buying Kanye’s stuff, I’d probably re-think real hard if I’ll support him anymore.

    First of all, Kanye is a POP artist.I think –given all the fame and fortune these singers have plus all the INFLUENCE they have over impressionable young people(many not so young even)–should be held responsible to some degree on how they act in public.And the best way to get to them is by not supporting their works.It’s like a protest of sorts.

    Sometimes-probably lots of times-fame gets into their heads…it’ll probably do those singers (like CB and Kanye and so many others) to see things in a different perspective away from the limelight and the blinding klieg lights…if Kanye hadn’t been so egomaniacal and selfish (I know it’s the same thing) then maybe he would not have done what he did bec. he would have it in the back of his mind how Taylor would have felt….

    And the comparison to Pink dissing Jessica Simpson in her video and song is totally off…Pink was an expression of what I think is a real issue—the use of a woman’s sexuality/a woman’s body to sell music (so primitive)—-what issue was Kanye standing up for when he did that?!That douche bags rule?!

    Like Kelly Clarkson wrote in her blog(smart woman Kelly)….quote” Is winning a moon man that much of a life goal?? You can have mine if it will shut you up. Is it that important, really??..”

    Oh and the allegation that he was drunk?…only makes him a drunken a**hole.

  • Sonyab1974

    On the news they just said that Kanye apologized to Taylor. WELL GOOD!!!!!

  • ravengirl

    Taylor will always remember the VMA’s, but it will be that moment, when she returned, triumphantly, to the VMA stage with big sis Beyonce by her side, to finally give her speech to an adoring crowd that is clearly on her side, that will prevail, I’ll bet. A once in a lifetime experience, it’s a story she’ll tell her grandchildren, and on balance it won’t be such a horrible memory after all.

    Yes, mj, THIS^^^^^
    Yes, the cynic in me thinks that whole thing ended a little too perfectly (did Beyonce know that Taylor was in back with mic in hand and could easily get onstage in short order?) but I prefer to simply enjoy the Capra-esque, Glee-like happy ending the VMAs brought last night. No matter what, Beyonce earned a ton of class points for me, while Kanye remained the (talentless — I have never liked him in this respect either) jerk he has shown himself to be.
    That joyous response to Taylor finally getting her due, and then some, was a remarkable moment.

  • colette

    pj –

    I’m not suggesting you or anyone else boycott Kanye West’s music, if it gives you pleasure. I’m just saying that it’s worth speaking up, as Beyonce did, when people who are given such such privileges and so much attention and celebrity behave in a way that’s so flagrantly hurtful to others — physically or otherwise.

    I wouldn’t phrase it as “losing our values,” and I’m not passing judgement on individual morality. I’m just talking about our broader media and cultural dialogue, which I certainly believe is coarsening and getting meaner. It saddens me, and I think for the sake of my own children and those of others, I want to call it out when it happens…..

  • jga94

    Oh and to those who say that it is the sad sign of the times when terrible behavior is ignored….I think all these twitter, blogs, forum messages speaking out against what Kanye did is actually a GOOD SIGN.It shows that a LOT of PEOPLE give importance to good values and manners….shame on him…although I personally think any sort of shame campaign will hardly have any effect on him….he is too thick-skinned and egotistical to care….a dent on his career will probably teach him some manners.

  • http://twitter.com/cara_lee pj

    Okay, just watched the vids. This wasn’t scripted? Seriously? She walks out in a red dress and shoes that perfectly matches the same shade as Beyonce’s? I dunno.

    Maybe Taylor was the only one not informed until later. I dunno. Hmm. Maybe I’m just a cynic.

  • jga94

    ^That “apology” written in caps was taken off his blog because if you read it closely….it wasn’t an apology…he was defending what he did(like sort of standing up for some cause or something-what cause?!a freaking music video……….a sh*tty moon man?…Plus he had hints of sarcasm(he was dissing Taylor’s lyrics or something)….it’s in rickey.org’s blog.

  • Studio57

    kiska- that is exactly how I like Jim C- in 60 second sound bites, therwise he gets on my last nerve.

    I forgot about the Smooth criminal dancer? I always thought they did that with wires, is it an actual dance move???? Or was that guys wire broke?

    PJ- Lady Gaga had a few costume changes and so did Beyonce. Maybe because all three performed last night, and I am sure after the incident they decided to have Taylor come out. Maybe they gave Beyonce a heads up when they knoew she won and asked her to do it. Doesn’t seem to be anything underhanded though. I know at the one awards show when Bruno came out and landed on Eminem, that was scripted, so some parts are, but there were too many angry celebs twittering if they knew there was a possibility it could have been staged.

    And what WAS up with lil mama? Anyone know?

  • jga94

    If I don’t like someone because of some tangible, really valid reason(like CB and Kanye), I wouldn’t buy their music even if I think it’s good.Because for me, music is from the soul…..a “tainted” soul will therefore make “tainted” music.I don’t mind eccentricities at all and I know people make mistakes…but they have to be really sorry for these mistakes….and like I mentioned earlier.I think it will actually do these people good by seeing life in a different perspective…a perspective away from the blinding and distorting limelight…they need time to think who they really are and what’s really important in life.

  • Kirsten

    Janet doesn’t go around disrespecting people. None of these people do or did.

    According to reports, John Lennon did. Not only does his first wife claim that he struck her, but he also wrote a song disrespecting his former best friend and fellow co-writer:

    How Do You Sleep:

    So Sgt. Pepper took you by surprise
    You better see right through that mother’s eyes
    Those freaks was right when they said you was dead
    The one mistake you made was in your head
    Ah, how do you sleep?

    The only thing you done was yesterday

    A pretty face may last a year or two
    But pretty soon they’ll see what you can do
    The sound you make is muzak to my ears
    You must have learned something in all those years
    Ah, how do you sleep?
    Ah, how do you sleep at night?

    Still, John Lennon wrote some great music and I won’t delete it from my iPod. Nor will I delete his song “Imagine” despite the fact that it was produced by that murdering Phil Spector. In my book lack common courtesy gets trumped by murder in the evil department every day of the week.

  • leome

    I don’t like kanye’s music but if someone I liked acted like this over and over, I would eventually lose interest in them and stop excusing them. And probably not want to buy their music either, if it reminded me of the kind of person they were. BTW my music collection is extensive and no major a’holes in there LOL.

    LOL
    You know, we live in a age where we can have music without buying it. These days I’ll buy music from people I think deserve my money. If someone says or does something I don’t like, or if I see they’re using the money for stuff I don’t approve I will probably keep listening to their music If I like… but I won’t keep supporting them with my money.

  • revcat

    Studio 57: Are you talking about the “gravity defying lean forward thing” where one guy on the VMA show bent over instead of leaning forward? I always wondered how that was done, but I thought I read somewhere that they wore special shoes???

  • Studio57

    revcat- That is what i am talking about. He must have forgot his gravity defying shoes, lol. That move has always fascinated the hell out of me. Even more than the moonwalk.

  • savgal

    Chiming in on whether an artist’s personal behavior influences liking or purchasing their products — for me, it does. I’m probably pretty inconsistent about it, but there are actors I don’t care to support, so I don’t go to their movies. One of my favorite actors has been for years touted as a family man, and now his true colors are out, so I probably won’t go anymore to his stuff. Now, I also believe in redemption, so I will give performers a second chance (with my pocketbook) if they turn it around. Russell Crowe going on the late-night talk show for a mea culpa after the phone-throwing incident is an example (was it David Letterman who moved the host desk telephone out of reach? Hilarious!).
    But basically, Kanye just had the worst manners in the world. I’ve watched decades of Oscars, and cannot imagine a presenter or host commenting on the decision of the Academy voters, while the winner was standing there with the statuette in hand, although they’ve alluded to works that should have been nominated.

  • pottymouth

    I’m actually kind sick reading this $#@*!! You guys can go ahead and continue to support this “Artist”!!Whatever! Go ahead and reinforce this behavior as something to be tolerated for the sake of the music!
    You get what you deserve! Hey,I’m not the victim of his crap…so why should I care! We are such tolerant people aren’t we?? AS LONG AS WE ARE ENTERTAINED!!

  • fearbear

    You know, we live in a age where we can have music without buying it. These days I’ll buy music from people I think deserve my money. If someone says or does something I don’t like, or if I see they’re using the money for stuff I don’t approve I will probably keep listening to their music If I like’ ¦ but I won’t keep supporting them with my money.

    This.

  • http://kristentheyellowlab.blogspot.com/ Zsus

    This wasn’t scripted? Seriously? She walks out in a red dress and shoes that perfectly matches the same shade as Beyonce’s? I dunno.

    LOL, PJ! That struck me last night, too. Plus, Taylor was so composed when she started her speech up, again. I mean, if I were 19 and Beyonce had just called me back out on stage, I think I’d be all flustered and tear-eyed. The dress she was wearing is the one she wore for her performance. But…you know what? That performance was pre-taped.

    As for not buying someone’s work because you don’t respect them as a person, I think that’s fine if that’s what people want to do. And I’ll admit that I haven’t been able to stomach a Woody Allen movie since his affair with his step-daughter went public. I just don’t think the moral character of rock stars, sports figures, or actors is any of my business. It’s not up to me to “punish” them into behaving properly with my wallet. At the same time, I can definitely see being so repulsed by someone or so sick of their behavior that they no longer hold any appeal for you.

  • Squirrely

    We are such tolerant people aren’t we?? AS LONG AS WE ARE ENTERTAINED!!

    yup that about sums it up.

  • Kirsten

    You know, we live in a age where we can have music without buying it. These days I’ll buy music from people I think deserve my money. If someone says or does something I don’t like, or if I see they’re using the money for stuff I don’t approve I will probably keep listening to their music If I like’ ¦ but I won’t keep supporting them with my money.

    Hmm…I’m not sure that somebody who steals the work of others because they commit errors in etiquette has the moral high ground on this one.

  • http://twitter.com/cara_lee pj

    Tinfoil hat:

    This outburst from Kanye was a plot between him, Jay-Z and Beyonce.

    Beyonce comes out of this smelling like her S##t don’t stink (great PR move), everyone already knows Kanye is an a$$ so he has nothing to lose, and Taylor was left in the dark, but ultimately not hurt and the object of sympathy. Win Win for everybody.

  • https://twitter.com/draddee Sunn
    You know, we live in a age where we can have music without buying it. These days I’ll buy music from people I think deserve my money. If someone says or does something I don’t like, or if I see they’re using the money for stuff I don’t approve I will probably keep listening to their music If I like’ ¦ but I won’t keep supporting them with my money.

    Hmm’ ¦I’m not sure that somebody who steals the work of others because they commit errors in etiquette has the moral high ground on this one.

    Hear! Hear!

  • fearbear

    Hmm’ ¦I’m not sure that somebody who steals the work of others because they commit errors in etiquette has the moral high ground on this one.

    Well, it’s not a moral high ground per se…sort of just what goes around comes around. You can be a jerk all you want and if people start stealing your work, then they are just being jerks to you in return.

    And yeah, I just don’t think this is scripted honestly. I don’t see what Beyonce, Kanye or whoever else might’ve hatched this plan would potentially get from this. Beyonce had to clean up Kanye’s mess, she didn’t get to accept her award properly for her first Video of the Year award. And it’s not like Beyonce really needs extra publicity, she’s at the top of her game right now. And of course it’s en evil business and all that, but I don’t really see Beyonce as the type of a devious person to willingly go along hurting and humiliating a 19 year old girl on stage for a PR moment. I don’t know, maybe it’s rose colored glasses or whatever, but I’ve never seen Beyonce do anything in the past for me to think that she’s remotely capable of something like that.

  • leome

    Hmm’ ¦I’m not sure that somebody who steals the work of others because they commit errors in etiquette has the moral high ground on this one.

    Eh, to be honest, I wish I felt bad about it, but not really. It’s so easy and a way to say “dude, I hate what you say/do/act”. As long as the music is in sites like youtube, that are so public and well known, if they don’t remove it from there it’s easy to listen to it without paying. Sounds more like an offer.

    ETA: Gotta put the stupid/jerks/douchey people in a different place than the ones who are not like that. The music industry allows us to make that choice.

  • SpenserJ

    Hmm’ ¦I’m not sure that somebody who steals the work of others because they commit errors in etiquette has the moral high ground on this one.

    Yeah, stealing is still stealing, even if one thinks it’s for a righteous cause.

    I understand that thievery of music is so easy today. But, each song requires the work of a lot of people (not just the super-rich artist). Somewhere, there’s a soundmixer who just got laid off because too many people are refusing to pay for the end product and think they’re entitled to just take it because they can. People with a ton of illegally downloaded tunes on their iPod, to me, are no different than the guy who stole the camera out of my car last month.

    Other than that – I already love Kellie & Kelly as people – so, I absolutely adore their Kanye smackdowns!

  • HoppersSkippersMiners

    ravengirl: Yes, the cynic in me thinks that whole thing ended a little too perfectly (did Beyonce know that Taylor was in back with mic in hand and could easily get onstage in short order?) but I prefer to simply enjoy the Capra-esque, Glee-like happy ending the VMAs brought last night. No matter what, Beyonce earned a ton of class points for me, while Kanye remained the (talentless ‘” I have never liked him in this respect either) jerk he has shown himself to be. That joyous response to Taylor finally getting her due, and then some, was a remarkable moment.

    According to Rolling Stone’s article ‘Taylor Swift Thanks ‘Gracious’ Beyonce for Inviting Her Onstage After Kayne Stunt at VMAs’ :

    A source close to Swift tells RS Beyonc’s father/manager Matthew Knowles came backstage to see Taylor and helped arrange her belated acceptance speech. ‘It’s definitely been an interesting night,’  Swift said with a laugh.

    I give just as much props to Beyonce’s classy family. Call it damage control on the part of the VMA’s (if you like) to quietly reveal the winner backstage so arrangements could be made, but neither Beyonce or Beyonce’s parents were obligated to do anything. The fact that they felt so badly for Taylor (another teenage singer much like their daughter used to be) that they wanted to set things right says a lot about the standards they hold to as a family.

  • Kirsten

    As long as the music is in sites like youtube, that are so public and well known, if they don’t remove it from there it’s easy to listen to it without paying. Sounds more like an offer.

    Artists have the right to sign up with youtube and receive revenue each time their song is played (granted it’s not that much). Many record labels have official channels featuring their artists CDs. If the artist does not want their songs on youtube, youtube has pretty sophisticated ways of removing videos that feature them (ever wonder why there are so few videos from the S8 up? Youtube was pulling them and cancelling your account as fast as they could be posted. They were pulling VMA videos last night at a very fast rate. And SNL doesn’t want their videos there either).

    So, I don’t think watching a grainy youtube is stealing. Illegal downloading is.

  • HoppersSkippersMiners

    And…BTW…I would have LOVED to be a fly on the wall for this moment:

    From Kayne’s blog “apology”: I spoke to her mother right after and she said the same thing my mother would’ve said.

    Wish THAT had been recorded for posterity!

  • revcat

    Okay, just watched the vids. This wasn’t scripted? Seriously? She walks out in a red dress and shoes that perfectly matches the same shade as Beyonce’s? I dunno.

    What happened between Kanye and Taylor and Beyonce and Taylor took place almost 2 hours apart. Kanye was not scripted, but during the time between the two aforementioned events there was time for production and Beyonce to plan for a way to make amends to Taylor. The red dresses were coincidental, just costume changes during the show.

    As for public discourse becoming coarser, it is indeed true. Along with public cynicism, therefore I can understand why some people think the whole thing was staged. I’m still trying to get last year’s Bruno stunt out of my head.

  • sunny2

    The worst part about the Kanye incident is that, THIS is what people are talking about and not the MJ tribute. It was after all a night dedicated to Michael Jackson.

  • sidewalkstory

    So does this mean that Kris Allen will be switching “No Boundaries” back in place of “Heartless”?

  • HoppersSkippersMiners

    sidewalkstory: So does this mean that Kris Allen will be switching ‘No Boundaries’  back in place of ‘Heartless’ ?

    [snicker] I *AM* actually wondering if he’s going to make some sort of comment or shout-out tonight!

  • justshootme

    OK, after reconsidering …. nope, I still really don’t give a shit.

    But hey, it’s a good excuse to watch Soy Bomb ruin poor Bob Dylan’s performance at the 98 Grammy’s. Jeez I hope Bob got over it alright.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0YKhNrvUXN4

  • sidewalkstory

    [snicker] I *AM* actually wondering if he’s going to make some sort of comment or shout-out tonight!

    Glad you got the humor, lol.

    On a more serious note, poor Kris is in a difficult place. Last night they booed Kanye when he came back on stage. It’s gonna be tense tonight on the Idol stage. Since there are only two concerts left, I guess he’ll just sing “Heartless” but give a shout-out to Taylor.

  • EveLambert

    I agree with the comment made by PJ earlier on this thread – I am happy to have my say on this whole Kanye/Taylor thingy – Something tells me this was pre-planned – I could be wrong – Beyonce’s surprise look seemed fake to me, it was also pre-planned what would possibly be said to do some damage control – notice Jay-Z never showed up until the dead end of the show and walked straight to the stage – and all who think Kanye would get some kind of backlash – Jay-Z will help him no matter what America says – this is just something to talk about now until something happens that is worthy debating about, then this incident will be of the past – like if someone famous should die, or something happens big around here – this would be talk of the past……..everyone knows Kanye is Kanye and that’s why he was chosen to do the act – that’s my gut feeling…..the point is it happened, no one can unring the bell, the idea and the expression is already out there – so you guys just move on and live with it – I am not taking sides because I could give a shit about Beyonce, Jay-Z, Kanye or Taylor Swift…..they don’t buy my food or pay my bills, but I am entitled to my opinion like everyone else – no need for anyone to jab back at me because it would not make a difference to me – Kanye may look like an ass to some but point made – he said what he had to say …..again the damage control on Beyonce’s part I think was too appropriate and necessary – it was PLANNED IN MY OPINION…..poor Taylor freaked out and froze at the same time – what a moment. This is not the first time Kanye made controversial statements, what else is new about him….. he got his message across, I do think Beyonce was probably sure she was going to clean house last night but it did not happen.

  • smokeyvera

    I thought Chikeze, in his response to David Cook’s tweet, said that Kanye must have been sick through elementary school (response to finishing school) and that Kanye was illiterate and proud of it. That says it all !!! How many starving talented artists are out there that are classy, educated, civil, humble and well mannered who would love to make it, but can’t. Because their characteristics don’t seem to sell well. But thugs, gangsta rappers are making it big because there are a lot of followers who look up to them and buy into their stuff. Yes indeed a moral compass gone awry.

  • FifthHouseSun

    And Kanye was perfectly positioned to hop up like that, unstopped, like he was going to shake her hand or something, at just the right time, how?

    Invented news is not confined to MTV. (Where they play videos how often, these days?). But now a totally, insignificant non-event to most of America gets front page news. That was, of course, completely unplanned. And the fact that Kanye gets badder, Beyonce gets classier, and Taylor gets more airtime, was just a coincidence.

    Don’t think Taylor knew ahead of time, because don’t think she would know she won. But Kanye was poised to “do something” somewhere in the night. The production had to know that “when Kanye makes a move”, go with it.

  • Chipmunk

    I’m actually kind sick reading this $#@*!! You guys can go ahead and continue to support this ‘Artist’ !!

    Of course I will. I dont need you to tell me that!

  • revcat

    Kanye is probably always ready to leap on stage as he is a legend in his own mind.

  • Chipmunk

    sidewalkstory
    September 14, 2009 at 1:59 pm
    So does this mean that Kris Allen will be switching ‘No Boundaries’  back in place of ‘Heartless’ ?

    Why should he? Nobody cares outside AI bubbledome what Kris sings for the AI tour, so he can sing Heartless for his last 2 shows like normal.

    Shouldnt be a problem

  • http://twitter.com/cara_lee pj

    thought Chikeze, in his response to David Cook’s tweet, said that Kanye must have been sick through elementary school (response to finishing school) and that Kanye was illiterate and proud of it.

    Actually, Kanye attended college, even if he didn’t finish. I don’t think he’s illiterate. He’s actually from a middle class suburban Chicago background. His mom was an English professor.

  • jpfan

    This outburst from Kanye was a plot between him, Jay-Z and Beyonce

    Very unlikey. Beyonce and Jay-Z keep very low profiles. They’re already very famous and don’t get involved in publicity at all. They don’t even do interviews as a married couple. How much more famous and successful can they be? I don’t see how this does much for them in the end. And it hurts Kanye so he’d be an ass to do it. Oh wait, he is an ass.

    Maybe I’m a chump but Jay Z organized a big 9/11 benefit in NY a few days ago. He actually seems like a very decent person.

  • yinyang

    On a more serious note, poor Kris is in a difficult place.

    I don’t think so. Idol fans realizes that his set has been in place for the whole tour, (other than swapping out NoBo), and that he did the song on the TV show. I don’t think anyone would expect him to suddenly change his set, with only 2 shows to go, based on someone else’s behavior. We all know that Kris isn’t the kind of guy to support that rude behavior, but he got lots of props for his arrangement of the song, so I’m sure he’ll be just fine doing the song for the next 2 nights.

  • luvadamlambert

    Kanye west Is a $&@@));” I’m not even gonna say it ;(

  • jericho

    Actually, Kanye attended college, even if he didn’t finish. I don’t think he’s illiterate. He’s actually from a middle class suburban Chicago background. His mom was an English professor.

    Which just proves that self-centered a**holes come from many different types of parents. If I was his mama I’d be mortified at his behavior.

  • weese

    It has been a bad week. First Joe Wilson, then Michael Jordan and his assy speech, then Serena Williams and her ridiculous behavior and now Kanye.
    This is the kinda stuff that makes us look very ugly. It needs to stop.

  • http://myspace.com/girlgeek mj

    Okay, just watched the vids. This wasn’t scripted? Seriously? She walks out in a red dress and shoes that perfectly matches the same shade as Beyonce’s? I dunno.

    LOL. I know! The whole deal is a perfect story arc. That’s why I questioned it.

  • http://myspace.com/girlgeek mj

    According to reports, John Lennon did. Not only does his first wife claim that he struck her, but he also wrote a song disrespecting his former best friend and fellow co-writer:

    I know. Thank gawd my parents weren’t rooting around my record collection when I was a kid, making sure all my artists were politically correct and scandal free. Half my collection would have been gone, including my beloved Beatles. And using that logic, so would my parents’ Sinatra collection.

  • http://myspace.com/girlgeek mj

    So does this mean that Kris Allen will be switching ‘No Boundaries’  back in place of ‘Heartless’ ?

    You don’t think I haven’t thought the Kayne incident would add fuel to the fan wars? Oh YES I HAVE. Thank GOD the tour is almost over…

  • Studio57

    I think Kris should make some kind of statement tonight, however slight, just to offset any booing that might occur in connection with singing Heartless. You just never know how people are going to react. There is a poll on EW and 96% of the people polled did not believe Kanye’s apology.

    Also curious about what will happen on Leno tonight, but I will wait for the clips unless MJ ( hint hint) posts it on here tonight.

  • wand3rful

    Okay, just watched the vids. This wasn’t scripted? Seriously? She walks out in a red dress and shoes that perfectly matches the same shade as Beyonce’s? I dunno

    as scripted as Pink and Shakira wearing the same dress……

  • BootStar

    Okay, just watched the vids. This wasn’t scripted? Seriously? She walks out in a red dress and shoes that perfectly matches the same shade as Beyonce’s? I dunno.

    I wasn’t sure either, but the matching dresses were too much of a coincidence for me.

  • becausehelives

    There’s always drama with the VMAs. like they get people to do crazy things all the time. we don’t know what’s real or scripted anymore. I just realised that lil mama wasn’t supposed to be there at the end with Jay z and Alicia keys. so wtf was up with that?

  • http://kristentheyellowlab.blogspot.com/ Zsus

    I just realised that lil mama wasn’t supposed to be there at the end with Jay z and Alicia keys. so wtf was up with that?

    LOL! Wasn’t that hysterical? So random. But, people were still buzzing about Beyonce/Taylor/Kanye, so barely noticed. Poor Li’l Mama. She gets no love.

  • Studio57

    becausehelives- according to MTV lil mama jumped on stage because she is from Brooklyn and Jay Z was singing a song about New York. EW says MTv might want to invest in a moat for next years ceremony, lol.

  • Squirrely

    You don’t think I haven’t thought the Kayne incident would add fuel to the fan wars? Oh YES I HAVE. Thank GOD the tour is almost over’ ¦

    Really? You think so?

  • Squirrely

    Lil Mama a Kanye were puffing on the same pipe or something – they were both so random.

  • tiger92

    I know. Thank gawd my parents weren’t rooting around my record collection when I was a kid, making sure all my artists were politically correct and scandal free.

    Thankfully I don’t feel the need to do this. I think the Kayne disgust is at a pretty high level across the board. My daughter is a junior at a public school and she said the incident was discussed all day. She reported that the kids thought Kayne’s stunt was completely classless. It crossed a line for her. Kayne is off her list. However, she still makes her own decisions about what music to purchase or listen to.

  • http://myspace.com/girlgeek mj

    Really? You think so?

    If this had happened in the middle of the tour, there would have been people questioning Kris for not dropping the song. Not you. But yep, it would have happened.

  • megkat

    About the MJ tribute

    I thought it was great! LOVED seeing all those famous dancers when Janet came out, Wade, Tyce, Laurieann Gibson, Brian Freedman, Travis Payne, Cris Judd. So cool. What a great moment

  • d. b. cooper

    Pure wrestling. Who does he think he is, Ric Flair? Needed to shout, “Wooooh,” at the end of it.

  • revcat

    I got started on this site when I was surfing for info on Adam and this site popped up. I sincerely hope I don’t get hooked on anyone next season of AI, Adam was the first for me, as I’m spending way too much time here and frankly the fan wars disgust me. No offense to MJ, you are doing a terrific job.

    As to the VMA incident, it’s sponsored by MTV which (as I posted upthread) is trashy IMHO, however I do NOT think the incident was staged. Everyone knows Kanye is a loose cannon, and everyone knows Beyonce is a class act, as is Taylor.

  • mzbet

    I don’t think it was staged either. In my opinion, Kanye should be banned from the VMA’s for a year…can’t be a presenter, can’t be a contender for an award and not even allowed to attend at all. You act like a jackass, you get treated as the jackass you are. He should have a “timeout” like children in kindergarten when they misbehave. JMO

  • iluvai

    I skipped commenting on this because it kind of upset me. I’m glad I waited to comment. I just saw Kanye on Jay Leno, and I really think he is sorry. It was rude what he did, but I think at the time he was just reacting.

  • Suzanne

    Just saw Kanye West on Jay Leno. He was at a loss for words and on the verge of tears. It was weird–it was like he didn’t think about exactly what he would say. He said how much he regretted what he’d done and admitted that he needs to take time off to deal with his own pain.

  • Lu

    “I do not see how he and Chris Brown should be compared in any way, actually.”

    I agree. Chris Brown is a batterer. Kanye is just an ass.

  • carolinacharms

    This whole thing is about a troubled soul seeking to vent his rage and frustration in a very public way. He needs help. That’s all.

  • d. b. cooper

    In my opinion, Kanye should be banned from the VMA’s for a year’ ¦can’t be a presenter, can’t be a contender for an award and not even allowed to attend at all.

    I’m making an educated guess here (cuz I didn’t see the show (though I love Russell Brand so I should check it out (and speed through the stupid awards))), but I’d bet this was the best thing about the show. This was the only thing anybody talked about on any awards show all year. Kanye is officially VMA Royalty.

  • Akatot

    … but I’d bet this was the best thing about the show. This was the only thing anybody talked about on any awards show all year. Kanye is officially VMA Royalty.

    I wouldn’t have known that the VMA awards happened it not for this incident. lol.