Josh Krajcik, Alicia Keys Perform On X Factor Thursday, Nov 29

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From a FOX press release–Season 1 runner-up, Josh Krajcik, will return to X Factor to sing. Pop star, Alicia Keys, is also set to perform.

Next week, on Wednesday, Nov. 28 (8:00-10:00 PM ET live/PT tape-delayed), THE X FACTOR finalists: Teens – Carly Rose Sonenclar and Diamond White; Young Adults – CeCe Frey and Paige Thomas; Over 25s – Vino Alan and Tate Stevens; and Groups – Emblem3 and Fifth Harmony – once again perform LIVE for America’s votes.

Immediately after the performance show, fans will be able to vote via 1) Verizon Touch Voting on The Xtra Factor App on Verizon Android devices; 2) toll-free calling; 3) text messaging for Verizon Wireless customers; and 4) online at TheXFactorUSA.com. Fans with valid Facebook accounts can also vote at Facebook.com/TheXFactorUSA.

On Thursday, Nov. 29 (8:00-9:00 PM ET live/PT tape-delayed), don’t miss performances by Grammy Award-winning R&B singer/songwriter Alicia Keys, and Josh Krajcik, a finalist on last season’s THE X FACTOR. Then, Khloé and Mario will announce the acts that made the cut in an all-new “Live Results” episode.

 
  • jlscott13

    Josh who? Bwahahahahaha.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/IYMZ43XMLLAE6RVHJS4M6KNC5Y Dennis

    Josh Krajick, why does that name sound familiar. lol

    It’s just totally random they just threw him on here and still no sign of Melanie.

  • http://twitter.com/FordBrothersHD FB

    Do we know if its another double elimination?

  • shell29

    I’m pretty sure Melanie will be making an appearance on the results show at some point this season.  No way they miss an opportunity to promote the reigning X Factor US champ before her album release.

    I’m glad to see they’re not ignoring Josh.

  • chessguy99

    I guess they’ll have Melanie perform on the Dec 6th result show, the week her album releases.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/IYMZ43XMLLAE6RVHJS4M6KNC5Y Dennis

    Don’t you think it’s sad though that’s the only time they’re going to promote her.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/IYMZ43XMLLAE6RVHJS4M6KNC5Y Dennis

     They’ve already missed a ton of opportunities to promote her and the album comes out in what 2 weeks, it really doesn’t make any sense. It makes you think they’ve given up already on her.

  • girlygirltoo

    What is Josh even going to perform? Does he even have any new music out? Or is about to be released?

  • springboard2

    They are not really promoting either Melanie or Josh, just pretending. The timing of their performance means that the audience who have invested in the current season won’t care what happened to them after being reminded of their existence.
    Simon Cowell has never made any effort for UK acts that he doesn’t think are marketable on a large scale, whether they are winners or not.  He won’t start now.

  • WestiesRule

    These reality talent shows have never made any sense to me. Someone wins, they get minimal to no exposure and then they go back into the obscurity they emerged from. Then we get One Direction, Cher Lloyd and others crammed down our throats. On the flip side it is an amazing springboard for those who make it… Clarkson, Underwood, Daughtry, JHud and others who have been able to make a living in the industry in varying venues. I wonder what the 5 million dollar US contract really looks like. I’m betting there is lots of small print in there re:sales and what you have to do to earn the 5 mil. I wonder when Cowell will wake up to the fact he has a huge tank job on his hands.

  • tripp_ncwy

    I wonder what the 5 million dollar US contract really looks like.

    Melanie got 5mil cash + a recording contract. They have changed their definition this season to say the winner will get a 5mil recording contract. So now I assume all the recording/promo costs are taken out of the 5mil

  • Kirsten

    I hope we get to hear the gripping tale of how Josh Gracin slipped past his captors to escape the dungeon he’s been in for the last year. The guy must have some mad Bond skills we hadn’t previously known about.

  • Incipit

     They have changed their definition this season to say the winner will get a 5mil recording contract. So now I assume all the recording/promo costs are taken out of the 5mil

    So, every time Cowell says something about writing someone a check for Five Mil – he’s lying? OOPS. What was I thinking, amend that. Every time Cowell says something, he’s lying.

    There were always strings attached, as I understood, anyway…money in increments, over a few years and a few albums and costs subtracted – and if the person didn’t stay w/the Label it was all probably Null and Void. (can you imagine the Tax Bill if it came in a lump sum?)

    Someone did a breakdown once, I ought to have saved it. 

    That’s so much like the One Mil prize that morphed into a record contract worth One Mil and then disappeared altogether from any mention on Idol.

  • Klaine

    Thinking maybe she’ll pop up on the finale. But it does seem like she’s never warm that 5 million dollar app

  • justmefornow

    Vino should take a good long look at Josh next week…..he’s looking at his future.

  • tripp_ncwy

    The 5mil was an annuity over five years but exclusive of recording costs.

  • OffLeash

    I think they’ve given up on her too. Only promoting her on the show when it’s bleeding viewers and waiting for her promo the week of the album release, without promo for the single (is there even a single yet?) doesn’t look like Simon is putting much effort and money into her. From the comments I read here since I stopped watching XF after the second week, it looks like he’s already moved on to Emblem 3 – his US answer to 1D?

    I don’t think Melanie feels cheated though since she got the big money prize, but as for Josh, who didn’t even get a check, good luck to him. He’ll need it. 

  • http://twitter.com/eilonwya10 Eilonwy

    I think they’ve given up on her too. Only promoting her on the show when it’s bleeding viewers and waiting for her promo the week of the album release, without promo for the single (is there even a single yet?) doesn’t look like Simon is putting much effort and money into her.

    Yup, there is a single for Melanie Amaro. “Don’t Fail Me Now” was released in August (to generally scathing reviews), used in one of the XFUSA pre-season commercials, and sent to Top 40 radio shortly thereafter. It disappeared without a ripple on radio but recently peaked at #8 on the Hot Dance Club chart. An apparently low-budget video for the song was released in October. There is no sign that anybody cared much. The B-side, “Love Me Now” (girl is in a hurry) peaked at #26 on UAC.

    That said, I’d agree Amaro’s not exactly getting a lot of hoopla for her album release, and that she’s not coming into the release with a whole lot of audience beyond her year-old XFUSA fan base. If this is seriously how Simon Cowell makes a star, I think his successes may be more luck than skill.

  • OffLeash

    I bet Simon made a much better (financial) effort promoting 1D, stealth or otherwise. idk how significant is a #8 on the Hot Dance Club chart for Melanie, but at least it’s charting somewhere. That 1st season of XFUS was a bust, but nobody expected the second season to be even worse. Simon’s gonna need to do a better job promoting this year’s winner. Or Emblem 3 lol. 

  • mason williams

    oh,josh there you are,simon doesn’t give a crap about anybody not named 1d,let  me rephrase that simon doesn’t give a crap about anybody, why is this guy still popular again

  • yclept

    Bottom line is that the TV shows themselves don’t care much at all about the talent they produce.    “The Voice” is going strong despite not producing even one meaningful SONG in the first two seasons, nevermind a meaningful artist.   They bring back the contestants to satisfy the viewer base for the TV show – they have no real reason to promote the artists.   Look at Interscope – they are firmly entrenched in the Idol culture, yet they don’t really use Idol to promote their artists once the show is over.   They didn’t do anything above and beyond for Scotty, Lauren, Haley, Pia, etc.  Heck, they didn’t even bring Pia back to perform last season!     I think they have figured out that using the TV show for promotion simply does not work – those who vote don’t necessarily buy.  It is all about getting away from the “bubble”, and that is becoming harder and harder to accomplish.
    What most of the contestants need is better MATERIAL once the show is over – not necessarily better promotion.   Think of all of the stars who have emerged over the past several years – was Katy Perry heavily promoted before she became a megastar?  Nope.  She had good material, the radio stations picked up on it, and well – the rest is history.    Most people who first heard her on the radio didn’t have a clue who she was.   And that is what reality show contestants need to have happen:   Get hit songs that play on the radio – then people will truly figure out who you are.

  • No_Opinions_Just_Facts

    No she did not get 5 million in cash. It was a recording contract worth 5 million broken down into 1 million for the next 5 years including the recording and marketing costs. I know this because I have a confidential source who works for Epic Records and deals with legal matters. This contract she received is also non binding so she could be released if she doesn’t meet the contracts expectations. You think Simon Cowell was just going to hand over 5 million in cash to an unproven singer that hasn’t shown she can sell records yet?

  • No_Opinions_Just_Facts

    I don’t know where your getting your information from but her contract includes the recording and marketing costs, they are already factored into the yearly breakdown and since it’s also non binding she isn’t guaranteed to be kept on the label for all 5 years if she can’t sell records.

  • No_Opinions_Just_Facts

    Wouldn’t call it a complete tank job because they do have one contestant who has moderately succeeded thus far, Chris Rene. For a contestant who finished third last season and then signed immediately after the finale by L.A. Reid, Rene has released two singles, two music videos and an incredible quality EP album. His 1st single ‘Young Homie’ sold over 261,000 digital copies here in the U.S. according to Nielsen Soundscan back in May so I’m certain that number has increased since then. This single went platinum in New Zealand while his second single ‘Trouble’ went gold there as well. His EP album peaked at #4 on the U.S. iTunes Pop charts in its 1st week of release and has consistently remained in the the Top 100 albums since then. He debuted #55 on the Billboard Top 200 albums chart as well. While not considered a superstar debut by U.S. standards it’s clear his music is relevant and resonating even more with an international audience. This already makes his music career more successful than the actual winner of the show.

  • Maya100

    Simon’s track record isn’t good.  He doesn’t seem really to know how to promote artists who haven’t gone viral in some way, like 1D and Susan Boyle did – his most successful acts.  

    But, he seems to now have abandoned Boyle, since she’s just selling normally (shame on her), he’s abandoned Leona Lewis even more, and he’s abandoned just about every talent show contestant he’s had.  He really seems only interested in contestants with an immediate buzz, as long as he doesn’t have to do much to create it.

    I will say that he’s pushing Cher Lloyd hard at us, even though her CD didn’t sell.  

  • irockhard

    Pia didn’t go back to perform on Idol because she had nothing to promote. And Interscope isn’t responsible promo outside of getting the Idols radio airplay, management (XIX/19/Red Light) is responsible for all other promo including booking the Idols to perform on a results show. When are people gonna learn the difference between the label and management and who is really responsible for what? It’s as if they’re all on 360 deals, but that’s probably only the case for the ones signed with indie labels.

  • irockhard

    Just as I thought, it’s not a cash prize it’s contract of 1 million per year budget for recording advances, payola and radio touring funding for 5 years – 1 album and 4 options. Epic can spend up to 1 million every year on producing and promoting Melanie’s music, but if any one of her albums fail to sell while she’s still under contract they just won’t pick up her next option and terminate the contract. Not much different any other major label recording contract, the difference is the generous amount of moola (even more so than Idol) the label can spend on a new artist. I don’t see any evidence that Simon and LA think Melanie is worth 1 million, as it appears to me they’ve done everything on the cheap.

  • leffex

    For what it’s worth, here’s a video from last year’s finale with Simon explaining the $5 million prize in his own words:

    Skip to 4:40 into the Simon interview.
    http://music.yahoo.com/blogs/reality-rocks/finale-night-part-1-backstage-x-factor-judges-082550658.html

  • springboard2

    According to the UK site Digital Spy, the season 1 prize was a guaranteed $5 million payable over five years at $1 million a year, plus a recording contract:
    “I’m
    nervous but I’m also confident that it was the right thing to do,” he
    explained. “I think it should be a life-changing prize and just to be
    clear, this isn’t a dressed-up $5 million, this is a guaranteed $5
    million payable to the winner. The recording, marketing and video costs
    are completely separate to that. It will be paid over five years at $1
    million a year.”

    Read more: http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/ustv/s141/the-x-factor-us/news/a302575/cowell-admits-x-factor-usa-prize-nerves.html#ixzz2D7uM4UbV

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    “I’m nervous but I’m also confident that it was the right thing to
    do,” he explained. “I think it should be a life-changing prize and
    just to be clear, this isn’t a dressed-up $5 million, this is a guaranteed $5
    million payable to the winner. The recording, marketing and video costs are
    completely separate to that. It will be paid over five years at $1 million a
    year.”"I’m
    nervous but I’m also confident that it was the right thing to do,” he
    explained. “I think it should be a life-changing prize and just to be
    clear, this isn’t a dressed-up $5 million, this is a guaranteed $5
    million payable to the winner. The recording, marketing and video costs
    are completely separate to that. It will be paid over five years at $1
    million a year.”

    Read more: http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/ustv/s141/the-x-factor-us/news/a302575/cowell-admits-x-factor-usa-prize-nerves.html#ixzz2D7uS8C00

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    http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/ustv/s141/the-x-factor-us/news/a302575/cowell-admits-x-factor-usa-prize-nerves.html
    I have say that all the references to a cash prize I found come from UK sites that are not necessarily reliable sources of information.

    This is what the X Factor official site itself states about season 1:“After
    a dramatic season filled with unbelievable talent, unexpected and exciting
    twists and turns, and an emotional mix of heart wrenching and heartwarming
    moments, 19-year-old Florida/British Virgin Islands-bred singer Melanie Amaro
    took the Season 1 crown and the $5 million recording contract prize with
    Syco/Sony Music on Dec. 22, 2011″

    http://www.thexfactorusa.com/about/season/1

    And about the current season:
    “The judges then critique the live acts every week, but ultimately it’s
    YOU who decides who has THE X FACTOR and wins the largest prize in TV
    history: a $5 million recording contract!”

    http://www.thexfactorusa.com/about

    “I’m
    nervous but I’m also confident that it was the right thing to do,” he
    explained. “I think it should be a life-changing prize and just to be
    clear, this isn’t a dressed-up $5 million, this is a guaranteed $5
    million payable to the winner. The recording, marketing and video costs
    are completely separate to that. It will be paid over five years at $1
    million a year.”

    Read more: http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/ustv/s141/the-x-factor-us/news/a302575/cowell-admits-x-factor-usa-prize-nerves.html#ixzz2D7uM4UbV

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  • springboard2

    Thanks for this. This is the transcript:

    Q: Sometime it’s cash, sometimes it’s a recording contact,
    what is it?
    A: It’s both. It’s a &$5 million advance against their
    earnings. If they don’t sell a single  record, they keep  5 million dollar. That’s how it works so you are guaranteed 5 million dollars. That;s how it works. So they are guaranteed 5 million dollars. It’s not like promotion, marketing, videos,  it’s like normally business ..? into dressed up (??), it is 5 million dollars against their earnings. So you do become a multi millionaire.

    Q: But you have to pay it back?

    A: No, no you don’t. It’s good deal right? A very good deal.

    I understand form this that they won’t receive anything extra until they have earned $5 million, but they do receive the full $5 million whatever they sell, and they don’t have to pay back the promotion costs, although there is no mention of production costs.

  • No_Opinions_Just_Facts

    The man is a master of BS and ca do it with a straight face, amazing! What he says in this video is completely different than what my trusted inside source at Epic Records showed me, basically an official photocopy of the contract itself. There were a bunch of clauses to the contract as to how she would get paid and not once did I see anything saying “a guaranteed 5 million cash along with a recording contract” It’s basically like irockhard described, if her 1st album doesn’t meet expectations the label doesn’t have to pick up her up on another option and the contract is void. Just goes to show that you can say one thing on camera but do something completely different on paper before the dotted line is signed. Too bad this video can’t be used against him because what matters is what is written and finalized on legal document. Amaro was never guaranteed 5 million dollars on paper.

  • springboard2

    Is it possible that Melanie had a contract with Syco about the $5 million cash prize, and a separate contract with Epic which would have been a standard recording contract?

  • No_Opinions_Just_Facts

    It’s just too bad this is completely untrue. I certainly won’t reveal the name of my confidential source at Epic Records but I’ll see if they are willing to provide me with a copy of the contract itself with blacked out names except those of Amaro, Cowell and the lawyers involved. Highly doubtful that they would put their career on the line for this though but I’ll ask anyways. The video was entertaining nonetheless.

  • No_Opinions_Just_Facts

    The photocopy I was shown had both Syco and Epic Records within the body of the contract many times. If there was a completely separate contract for 5 million in guaranteed cash then I never saw that one. I’m in the music industry as a talent scout so I have access to certain networks within the industry, I am going to ask around and see if there is any legal documentation from Syco. This should be fun.

  • WestiesRule

    I should have been clearer. I was being facetious. It’s a tank job because he is not getting the viewership he thought he would get. The show is pretty uncomfortable to watch. I’m not saying singers can’t be successful or make a living after the show.

  • fuzzywuzzy

    Simon has admitted that he’s really only interested in $$$, so the minute that an artist starts to make less money, Simon is just going to try to milk that artist for as long as possible, while putting as little investment into them as possible. Given what I’ve seen of Simon and his decisions as a mentor on the X-Factor, I don’t think that his judgement is at all good when it comes to singers/music quality-wise (kind of like the “stopped clock”). This is a guy who recorded an album of WWF wrestling stars singing – and it made money, therefore it was a success for Simon. It’s all about the bottom line for Simon, which is mega-$$$$, regardless of the “quality” of the artist.

  • OffLeash

    Although it’s a fact that Chris Rene is so far the most commercially successful contestant to come out of XFUS (and The Voice too for that matter,) “moderate” is the key word here. His first single sales, if not spectacular, were still decent enough, but his second single didn’t build on its popularity, and tanked in the US. I’m not sure his label is content with its success in New Zealand, considering gold there is 7,500 shipped (platinum is 15k.) I hope for him he won’t become another name added to the long list of talent show contestants dropped by their labels. I don’t remember when he was signed, but in any case, his contract should be up some time soon. We’ll find out after the holidays if the label keeps him around or not.

    As for Melanie, who knows what the specifics of the contract are. Unless I actually see a copy posted, I’ll assume the terms of the contract could’ve changed for the second season. In the meantime, I can’t imagine her having even the moderate level of commercial success Rene had with his first single. Simon’s already moved on.

  • Mateja Praznik

    Simon is a record label executive and like every record label executive, he wants his acts to make money for the label. Music industry is a business.

    Simon didn’t abandon Susan Boyle. It’s just that there is nothing he can do to get her fame to what it was when her audition video went viral. That’s why she is in decline. We shouldn’t be too sad about it – Susan did get to release 4 albums (so far), she sold millions and I think she is financially well off. She did have more success than most Idol finalists.

    And Simon did get the best team to handle One Direction’s launch. He saw their potential and found the right people and companies. Those boys now have more success than they hoped for when they signed up for X Factor.

    Leona has problems, but it’s not because Simon Abandoned her.

  • springboard2

    Yes, but he tries even less than 19 with Idol alums when he is not interested in a contestant, winner or not, and he is only interested in those who may become international stars.
    In addition, Syco is the worse label on earth in terms of giving decent material to its acts, except for boybands and novelty popera acts.

  • Mateja Praznik

     Why should anyone (Simon, Syco or 19) bother with contestants with zero potential for success? They are not a charity, Make A Wish Foundation or something of that sort. They are ready to invest money only in those that at least have a chance to make a return.

    Talking about material is subjective, but I think in recent years pop acts on Syco got pretty good material. I don’t think there was anything that could help Joe McElderry. Il Divo recorded several great albums of pop opera covers. I’m not a fan of Susan Boyle, but old lady is just doing her thing. Labrinth is very relevant artist and producer and I think he isn’t getting his material from Syco.

  • http://twitter.com/CanadianLady2 CanadianLady

    I have the new album from Susan’s albums, and Simon is the first person she thanks. Plus, it’s a great album!

  • springboard2

    There is a difference between investing large sums of money and investing so little that the act isn’t given a chance. For example, can anyone believe that the 80s sounding cover that Joe and Marcus got for their lead single was not taking the p*ss. And the videos were even worse. Either the Syco team is totally incompetent , or they have such a low budget that they pick the songs and produce them in a day, or it is deliberate sabotage, or all of it.

  • Mateja Praznik

     I don’t think Marcus was signed to Syco. He was with RCA. And he himself insisted on releasing his album in the spring, that’s why there were some covers on it. I’m not sure, but I think it was his idea to cover “Seven Nation Army”.

    With Joe, I was under the impression that Syco was actually trying to make an effort. He wasn’t a pop singer and his best should would actually be an album of covers, but after Leona and Alexandra it was expected from Syco to put more effort into debut albums of X Factor winners, so an album of covers wasn’t an option for them. But there were problems with the direction of that album.

  • Kirsten

     

    Why should anyone (Simon, Syco or 19) bother with contestants with zero
    potential for success? They are not a charity, Make A Wish Foundation
    or something of that sort. They are ready to invest money only in those
    that at least have a chance to make a return.

    Because that is part of the contract they make with viewers. Watch this show – give my advertisers your eyeballs – and I’ll let you pick who should get a $5M recording contract.

    People, even those who don’t vote, get a feel good emotion about making somebody’s dream come true. If there is no pay-off for watching the show, then why doesn’t Simon just run a variety show? Each night, have 10 people perform. Why? Because it won’t get viewers (variety shows are dead) and it certainly won’t get viewers who watch the show live.

    Simon and Co. have been lucky so far in that viewers have the attention spans of gnats and haven’t noticed he’s not actually turning Melanie into a star. So, he gets to use his “I’m not going to bother trying because I don’t think it will work” excuse. But, it’s the implied contract with viewers he is breaking (as are The Voice producers and judges with their endless pontificating about them doing the show for the “right” reason).

    I do think some viewers noticed and that has caused some of the erosion for the format. How many times have you heard people say they stopped watching because the losers always outsell the winners? Of course, some of those people also think Carrie lost, so maybe that was going to happen anyway.

  • http://twitter.com/eilonwya10 Eilonwy

    There is a difference between investing large sums of money and investing so little that the act isn’t given a chance.

    Bingo. What I see with Amaro’s music so far is A&R spending the absolute minimum effort on her, not heroic efforts at cost containment.

    Amaro’s lead single was almost universally panned. Since songwriters are ordinarily paid in royalties, giving her an adequate song from a middle-of-the-road songwriter would not have cost a cent more up-front than giving her the atrociously bad song she got. 

    My impression from the results is that Amaro’s A&R was somebody’s last priority on an already over-full plate: “Eh, here’s a sort of inspirational song with a beat — have her record that!” Jermaine Paul’s completely unrelated team gives the same impression, but his launch was never touted as “Simon Cowell makes a new superstar!” (ETA: Though I do agree with Kirsten about the implied contract with the viewer.)

    If Tate Stevens wins, I predict a launch that’s comically bad. One of the Sony-Nashville labels will have to be roped in as a partner with the mandatory contract with Epic, even though he’s not what their scouting would lead them to sign. His first single will be an up-tempo, mildly inspirational country-pop song about a truck, possibly with a chorus of “keep on truckin’,” or maybe something about how he’s movin’ on down the road to his dreams.

  • durbesque

    You mention Carrie…  I simply cannot conceive of Carrie not making it on her own a little later, her vocal and physical gifts being as prodigious as they are.  And I’m not even a fan. 

  • http://twitter.com/shoriagirl Shoriagirl

    American Idol treats most of their winners like crap, that’s why I have stopped watching it.  They are not different than The Voice of X-Factor.

  • http://twitter.com/LexieONeill Lexie O’Neill

    So, if Idol treats most of their winners terribly, how have so many (all but one) had at least a platinum something?

  • http://twitter.com/shoriagirl Shoriagirl

    Idol, definitely, is better at brainwashing the public into thinking that they make stars.

  • http://twitter.com/eilonwya10 Eilonwy

    Idol, definitely, is better at brainwashing the public into thinking that they make stars.

    Hmmmm… well… I don’t know that I’d call the distinction “brainwashing” so much as “basic math.”

    IDOL
    Kelly Clarkson – multi-platinum singles and albums, spread over 10 years.
    Ruben Studdard – big numbers out of the gate, still getting UAC radio play, albeit on smaller scale.
    Fantasia Barrino – settled down to selling gold-ish on her albums, strong UAC radio play.
    Carrie Underwood – 7x platinum debut album, tons and tons of #1 country singles.
    Taylor Hicks – 750k debut album, actually got AC radio play for multiple singles despite not really fitting format, now successful entrepreneur doing his Vegas residency.
    Jordin Sparks – platinum singles, one platinum album, decent stage and movie gigs.
    David Cook – 2 platinum singles, platinum album, recently played lucrative Asian gigs.
    Kris Allen – platinum single that made top 10 of CHR.
    Lee DeWyze – um. well. evs.
    Scotty McCreery – platinum album, lots of country award appearances, Xmas album doing nicely.
    P2 – 2x platinum lead single, high chart positions in multiple radio formats, song is ubiquitous.

    THE VOICE
    Javier Colon – debut album sold <10,000 copies its opening week. That was his high point.
    Jermaine Paul – lead single sank without trace. Album delayed.

    XFUSA
    Melanie Amaro – singles sales are near non-existent, minor charting.

  • HermeticallySealed

     Not to mention that Idol mentions/shows many of it’s previous winners and successful alumni often. They even invite them back to perform on multiple occasions. What’s the Voice and XFUSA’s record on that?

  • shell29

    I disagree-I don’t think most casual viewers of these shows really care about what happens after the confetti falls.   I also doubt that many of them care if the runners up outsell the winners (or choose to stop watching these shows as a result) because most don’t keep up with that sort of thing-not like the diehard fans and observers do.

    There might be an “implied” contract that if you watch our show you get to pick who should get the contract and have their “dreams come true” but there are no implied guarantees that the winner will go on to be a “star”.  There have also never been any guarantees that they will support the “winner” and only the winner, nor do they guarantee that they’ll go above and beyond whatever prize the winner gets (in terms of support).  There never will be-whether it’s Idol, The Voice or X Factor.

    If last season’s winner from The Voice flops, people will still tune in next season.  Lee flopping didn’t stop people from tuning in for Season 10 of Idol.  Melanie being MIA so far isn’t the reason why ratings are down for The X Factor IMO.

  • Kirsten

     

    I disagree-I don’t think most casual viewers of these shows really care
    about what happens after the confetti falls.   I also doubt that many of
    them care if the runners up outsell the winners (or choose to stop
    watching these shows as a result) because most don’t keep up with that
    sort of thing-not like the diehard fans and observers do.

    I don’t think we are disagreeing at all. That’s what I said.

    Simon and Co get away with breaking the implied contract because the casual viewer moves onto something else. The viewer gets that feel-good rush on confetti night, pat themselves on the back for making somebody’s dream come true and forget all about it.

    The Voice is a sterling example of this. Go visit one of their fan sites and even the fans pontificate about how much better the show is because it allows real musicians to achieve their dreams. Even most of the people in the bubble seem blissfully unaware of how untrue it is.

    I’m only commenting that the “I’m going to give $5M, no strings attached, to the Season 1 X-Factur US winner” is directed at the viewers. By that point, Simon had already held his auditions so it’s not aimed at the contestants. He wanted us to help him grant $5M to a worthy person by watching his show in droves. Even with the lowered ad rate (was $400K per thirty seconds later reduced to $280-300K per thirty seconds), it would take less than one two hour show to rack up that kind of revenue. It’s a pittance to what he is getting paid. It’s a fraction of what Brit is getting paid. People tuned in and they got ripped off. They did not give somebody $5M. They probably gave somebody $100K (that’s probably the advance that Melanie got and they are so going to drop her).

    But, the vast majority of viewers do not care. They got their feel-good moment.  So, Simon and co are free to ignore their promises. It’s like laws that are not enforced – they eventually become meaningless.

    I agree that Simon is sensible not bother wasting his money on something he does not think will work because the viewers don’t care to follow up. He should promise them next he’s going to help them give out $100M because that would make things even more exciting and he’ll never have to do it.  He’ll still love us in the morning…promise.

  • shell29

    I’m only commenting that the “I’m going to give $5M, no strings attached, to the Season 1 X-Factur US winner” is directed at the viewers. By that point, Simon had already held his auditions so it’s not aimed at the contestants. He wanted us to help him grant $5M to a worthy person by watching his show in droves. Even with the lowered ad rate (was $400K per thirty seconds later reduced to $280-300K per thirty seconds), it would take less than one two hour show to rack up that kind of revenue. It’s a pittance to what he is getting paid. It’s a fraction of what Brit is getting paid. People tuned in and they got ripped off. They did not give somebody $5M. They probably gave somebody $100K (that’s probably the advance that Melanie got and they are so going to drop her).

    I guess this is where we disagree.  Yes, Simon/SYCO are always going to get the lion’s share of the revenue versus what the actual winner would get.  The show will continue to use the $5 million dollar “prize” as a selling point to the audience and particularly to the folks who audition, but I guess I don’t see how people tuning in to X Factor are being “ripped off”.  Obviously the show isn’t going to go into details regarding the “fine print” of the winner’s contract with the audience, but I guess for me I don’t think Simon & Co are breaking some sort of implied contract with the viewing audience by not doing so.

    I hate to defend Simon (of all people) but I haven’t seen any evidence that they’ve reneged on the promised prize to Melanie Amaro as an X Factor winner.  The fact that she has been MIA and her first two singles have done nothing so far isn’t evidence of that IMO. 

  • OffLeash

    I agree. I think the contract is that the special snowflake wins the show or finishes high. That’s probably what a successful season means to most viewers. Most people probably think they’ve done their part by providing them the opportunity, and it’s now up to them to make the most of it. Of course that’s not true of the hardcore fanbase, but they seem to get smaller every season.

  • OffLeash

    I just noticed your ETA. That Billboard article then does say that Melanie got her $5 million independently of her recording contract. Can BB be wrong and Simon this blatantly lying? Not that I would put it past him. Even if true, that doesn’t mean the contract remained the same for season 2. Probably not is more likely after they saw the ratings.