Join us for a 1 PM EST Chat with MTV’s Jim Cantiello

If we can’t make it, will their be a transcript of the chat to read later?

If we can’t make it, will their be a transcript of the chat to read later?

Yes…

How is this going to work? I don’t think I’ve ever attended a “chat” in here.

When the chat stars, you’ll see a spot on the chat box where you can submit a question.

I’ll release the questions from the queue and Jim will answer them…

Awesome, thanks!

If you click on the ‘Reader Information’ link in that window it should give info. There is another link that goes to ‘What will my readers see’ that gives a demo.

I think we pretty much watch/read as MJ and Jim chat. I think we can comment here and I guess those who have twitter can communicate with mj and jim that way.

ETA – I see MJ answered. Yay!

Sorry to miss it live, but I have a client meeting in 10 mins. Looking forward to the transcript though – I love it when any of the Idol pundits get together for a little Algonquin Roundtable of their own. (I will forgo the obvious “Vicious Circle” jokes).

Kirsten – you took my question – lol

I have posted like 8 questions, and none have gotten through. Not sure why he is out of questions…

damn, the chat box is blocked at my work. can’t wait to read the transcript when I get home!

Jim Cantiello:
I’ve always thought it would be a curve ball to do a week curated by a music blogger, or even something like Pitchfork Media.

I love that idea.

[Comment From Fianlly_bench Fianlly_bench: ]
What do you think would make a good “see ya later, loser” song for Idol (FERRAS WUZ ROBBED)

How about Beck’s “Loser” (I’m a loser, baby, so why dontcha kill me?)

DAMMITT!!!!! I just finished typing my question (late to the party) and was getting ready to hit “send” when “This will be our last question” popped up. My timing sucks.

Thanks Mj, that was fun. I hope Jim comes back soon!!

Yeah, AI off season in 60 seconds – lol. Hmm, wonder if any AMA coverage will make it in there

That was awesome! Thanks MJ. He is my fave!

Thanks MJ and Jim for doing this live chat. It was fun and informative! Hope we do it again sometime in the near future.

Yes, thanks to Jim and MJ! That was a lot of fun. I like Jim’s POV, and agreed with a lot of what he said. Also love his sense of humor.

I liked his idea of a theme week where the idols worked with current songwriters and producers – that sounded really cool. Maybe one of the last rounds (like top 3).

Thanks, MJ. That was fun (even though my question didn’t get asked).
Had to take the day off of work due to baby sitting issues…and the baby slept all through the hour.

One thought:

Reading between the lines, it sounded as if Jim thought the uber-pimping of Gokey really hurt him big time. He stated that he thought NoBo was written for him, as TPTB wanted him to win. However, he stated that Danny was super nice…not the conniving monster everyone thought he was.

Meaning…TPTB really blew it big time.

I also liked his observation about how, if we had Top 24 instead of Top 36, we would have gotten a completely different Top 12. Especially the comment about Scott – I know I gave him some pity votes early on, but it probably couldn’t have lasted more than 3 weeks in a row with me.

Thanks mj for hosting the chat and thanks to Jim for his awesome answers. This was fun!

Hey deez, doesn’t matter, I think MJ was limiting it to 1 question every 3 minutes or so. Jim was even begging for more questions.

MJ, it is cool that you can bring some of these people on your site for live chats. I am sure it will go more smoothly next time.

Reading between the lines, it sounded as if Jim thought the uber-pimping of Gokey really hurt him big time. He stated that he thought NoBo was written for him, as TPTB wanted him to win. However, he stated that Danny was super nice…not the conniving monster everyone thought he was.

Meaning…TPTB really blew it big time.

I think Danny blew it for himself. Danny is a good guy, but he is very un-self-aware. Watching the reruns, he really does occassionally come across as arrogant or smug (and I know, personally, that he is NOT that way). And then he suffered toward the end with bad song choice (cough*Dream on*cough) – essentially falling into the Lil Rounds danger zone of trying to be something he wasn’t in order to “show the judges what I can do”. That, imo, is what did him in.

Though in part, top 4 DID show the judges over praising Danny at the expense of Kris, which I think resulted in the subsequent voter backlash against Danny in Top 3 week.

I kind of agree with Jim’s theory about NoBo – it would have suited Danny the best, but then again neither Kris or Adam were ever gonna be as well suited to doing one of those typical “inspirational” songs – that was ALWAYS Danny’s wheelhouse on the show. And I don’t think even Danny could have saved NoBo.

What would have been best for Adam and Kris is if the finale song had been like it was in S7 – with the contestants getting to choose from a number of different songs to fit their style better. Adam could have chosen more of a rock anthem, for instance.

I had a doctors appointment so missed Guest Jim C. (Sadz) but it appears it was a good Q & A. Thanks for having it MJ. Liked what he had to say about S8 top 4. Kris will have a long career in music and that Kris’ album is going to have legs, and a year from now, any “Adam outsold him” chatter won’t be as relevant. (I personally don’t think it is relevant now) …..Adam is a Superstar….Danny is very nice….and Allison is amazing. (I also agree with him that they picked the wrong first single. Its not a bad single just not as good as the other choices on her album or a better way to say it is the other choices are better representation of Allison)

Thanks, MJ. Just read the transcript (couldn’t join in live — I had work meetings all morning). Jim cracks me up — he’s so much fun.

Now, just a small request: can you get Slezak to do a live chat?

Ohh, and I got zinged by Jim, too – sweet! Yes, Jim, I’m 102 years old

That was way cool, MJ. Haven’t gotten any work done in the past hour and half. haha. You should do these more often. Like Linda T said, how about Slezak? and his mom? lol.

Jim did great, I so admire his ability to do off-the-cuff humor, that’s a rare gift I think. I enjoy his sense of humor, he should write a book one of these days.

I love the idea of having a night where the contestants work with a current producer, that would be fascinating. I also agree with Jim that it would be great to see more of the behind the scenes work on the music, rather than the puff pieces they put in there.

I really appreciate his comments about Danny. I thought Danny was a genuinely sweet person, and what happened to him was painful to watch. I don’t recall Jim being stunningly hateful as some others were (and I don’t actually think those others actually cared what Danny was like, he was just a target because he was pimped), but it is still really nice for Jim to make those comments.

I really appreciate Jim’s taking the time to do this, it was really fun to read his comments! Thanks for arranging this MJ!

thanks mj for the chat with Jim. That was fun and I find myself agreeing a lot with what he said.

Thank you MJ, that was fun.

I must be dense today. What did Jim mean when he said Danny”face f***ed” America. or somehting to that affect.

Also, he was relieved Adam’s album sold so well, as if he was worried or had doubts??

I am not so positive about Kris Allan cd having legs just look at the numbers selling around 300,000 . American Idol will have to give him a major bump of 200,000 to just reach gold(maybe another major hit)..That is not great numbers. Kris I never thought of as a great vocalist or rearanger and had to carefully pick the right songs.. Adam does stick out his singles are not catching on right now and he pissed some off .IDK what will happen no music expert but the climate out there is very harsh.I guess the chat was a little too leaning one way..

poporange

I disagree I think Kris has alot of personality.

I really appreciate his comments about Danny. I thought Danny was a genuinely sweet person, and what happened to him was painful to watch.

I agree. Danny got a raw deal on the blogosphere during the season. I hope he does well. He was in my top 3.

I also liked his observation about how, if we had Top 24 instead of Top 36, we would have gotten a completely different Top 12

eh, I don’t know about completely different. I think the top 7 for sure would still have been there…I agree that MacIntyre very well may not have been; I think Jorge and Jasmine do not make it through, and possibly Megan may not have. i bet that Sarver still would have gotten thru, as well as Alexis.

Thanks MJ and Jim. The chat was great. I wish I could have been here live but hopefully next time . Jim’s a funny guy.
ETA: I agree mmb. I think Sarver and Alexis still would have mad it. Scott, not so much.

I got sidetracked and missed it live, but love reading it at my own pace. Kudos to those whose questions were used. They were excellant. Thanks to Jim for dropping by and to MJ for having this.

Jim has very good instincts and is quite funny. I’m looking forward to his wrap-up 60 seconds and his reports for the new season.

As far as the Danny stuff is concerned, I think he was hurt by a combination of the pimping and believing the hype. He did become arrogant as the show progressed. I think he became humbled or returned to center after the fact.

There is no doubt in my mind that ‘No Boundaries’ was written by Kara with Danny as the intended vocalist for that song.

This blog is like ESPN for Idols not everyone likes the same team or has wonderful things to say about that team..I deleted that “personality Plus” of possibly misunderstanding,ment by it is -OTT personality some out there-Adam sometimes has..Kris Allan personality wise has one not boring and his own style.Not great at some aspects that won’t hinder him..

Jim Cantiello:
I can’t imagine Simon drawing a marker on Ellen’s face. Especially to draw a mustache. Oh LORD the implications there?? Nightmare.

I loved this remark by Jim! If Simon tried that, the resulting black around one of his eyes wouldn’t be drawn on. LOL!

“OTT personality some out there-Adam sometimes has..Kris Allan personality wise has one not boring and his own style.Maybe not artistically is the greatest at some aspects that won’t hinder him..”

I am confused…What are you trying to say? You do realize that you just said the aspects KRIS ALLEN isn’t the best at WON’T hinder him. Are you a KRIS ALLEN fan? Because that is not acceptable
And what do you mean about all the OTT personality stuff? Please clarify.

As far as the Danny stuff is concerned, I think he was hurt by a combination of the pimping and believing the hype. He did become arrogant as the show progressed. I think he became humbled or returned to center after the fact.

Temporary arrogance is a perspective that could serve to explain the Danny coverage, and would have an added benefit of reassurance that he deserved what happened to him. Another perspective is that there was a useful reason to position him as arrogant during the show. As the new season starts, I hope that people will remember that coverage of AI is a business. The contestants are a commodity to be used to drive revenue for the business of covering them. The manipulative tactics are very easy to spot when you think about it that way.

As far as the Danny stuff is concerned, I think he was hurt by a combination of the pimping and believing the hype. He did become arrogant as the show progressed. I think he became humbled or returned to center after the fact.

I don’t agree with this. From everything that I have read from and about Danny, he was a nervous wreck on the show, because he felt he was so far behind the game. He has stated before that he knew he didn’t have the experience of some of the others, and was also behind in his knowledge of material….he said that he was a mess. Comments from one of the vocal coaches seemed to express this sentiment that Danny felt overwhelmed.

I do believe that Danny has a lot of confidence in himself as a singer, though. It was the other aspects of the competition that he felt overwhelmed by.

Edit: These kids need to have confidence, though. There’s nothing wrong with a healthy dose of it. I don’t think Danny was ever arrogant.

Josie, you are correct about the contestants being used and presented in certain predetermined ways. I would be reluctant to believe I “knew” too much about any of the contestants from the way they are presented on Idol. There’s too much opportunity for manipulation.

I’ve noticed since starting to cover the show *professionaly* that the PYSCHO fans rally around the boys they wanna schtup. And I say psycho fans with love.

Speaking of psycho fans, I see glambert696969 was MIA today, which is a pity. If I had been able to be here I was going to ask him about his outrageous behavior. Oh well, great chat otherwise!

Poporange:

No one is attacking you; people are just asking for clarification and expressing their opinion that Kris has a funny and likable personality (I agree with them!).

BTW, the spelling is Kris Allen.

ETA: I loved the chat with Jim, thanks MJ! And thanks for using one of my alter ego questions, haha. I actually agreed with practically everything Jim had to say, especially the NoBo theory, which I’ve actually thought for quite a long time. You should have him more often! (And loved the question by #ButWhyWon’tJessTweet?” – best user name of the day!)

Thanks Jim & MJ for doing this!!
I think Jim’s answers were very fair – I also love his quit wit !!
Will be interesting to see the Post Idol 60 seconds wrap!!

Will be interesting to see the Post Idol 60 seconds wrap!!

He just posted it! http://tinyurl.com/yettboq

aek, yeah, the AI show itself does pretty extensive spinning. I’m also thinking of manipulative tactics in the coverage that create an image that then gives the people covering the contestants an angle. Like Danny’s photo flashing up on Slezak’s computer in the background with insults written on them. Or scenes interspersed with unflattering clips and/or further insults. Or commenting on innocuous clips with a story made up about it, e.g. something I’ve seen countless times is performers getting huge applause from the audience who then lift their hands and return applause to the audience as a “thank you”. When Danny did that, the coverage was “oh look at how arrogant he is, he is applauding himself”. Those are the kinds of manipulative tactics in coverage that I’m talking about.

NOT FUNNY

Just watched Jim’s new 60 seconds episode. Funny! The RS/Details/Out progression made me laugh out loud.

Oh my God, this really makes it feel official. Another season is starting. I’m not sure if a word exists to describe the combined feeling of excitement and dread.

Yay! for Idol in 60 seconds!!!… “They’re friends! (with benefits)”… lol!

I love Jim!!!!!

A few more words about Jim’s video…this is the kind of humor that works for me. Jim pokes a little fun at the contestants and the fans and the judges, but it doesn’t come across as mean-spirited, it comes across as playful (with the sharper thumps directed toward the more powerful). I think that’s more difficult to achieve than lower forms of humor, and I enjoy it a lot more.

lol @ Deez. As you may have guessed, that was my favorite part! Even Jim believes in Kradam

Lauren722
01/11/2010 at 6:58 pm
lol @ Deez. As you may have guessed, that was my favorite part! Even Jim believes in Kradam

Oh there’s NO WAY that we can have anything as awesome as KRADAM in 2010! My search, futile as it might be, begins tomorrow night at 7pm!!

Oh there’s NO WAY that we can have anything as awesome as KRADAM in 2010! My search, futile as it might be, begins tomorrow night at 7pm!!

i think so too but will watch nevertheless. Maybe someone will stick out!!!

Oh there’s NO WAY that we can have anything as awesome as KRADAM in 2010! My search, futile as it might be, begins tomorrow night at 7pm!!

I agree! I mean there is never going to be another 2 contestants so talented and delicious. Plus, the whole idea of the open-mindedness and love of Kradam cannot be replicated.

Loved Jim’s video, and the Kradam reference was a riot and perfect. After all, the Kradam was a huge part of the S8 story post-finale.

poporange:

Don’t worry about it. Spelling correctly is not a rule on this blog. There are posters who misspell Adam’s last name EVERY TIME. I hope people haven’t made fun of them, also. Don’t let a couple of comments keep you from posting.

Just read the interview, missed it real time. (I’ve not read comments…)

Thanks so much MJ for doing this! That was fun.

I think Jim C’s hilarious, and I agree with Kris about “Idol in 60 seconds” — he slays me every time! Love Jim, even if he is closeted gay who prefers Kris over Adam… er… wait, that didn’t sound quite right, did it?! J/K Jim! Keep up the great work (and tell Jess to tweet )!!

Jim’s AI8 recap in 60 seconds was so funny….

They’re friends (with benefits)…

Oh there’s NO WAY that we can have anything as awesome as KRADAM in 2010! My search, futile as it might be, begins tomorrow night at 7pm!!

Yes!!! And there is not an Adommy fan in sight. I like it here. Kradam ftw!!!!!!!!!!!

I just watched all of the episodes of Idol in 60 seconds. So funny! I had not seen any of them before.

I’m so glad Jim did the chat here today. It made my day.

Jim is so funny!

Loved the off color remark about Idol setting up “Gokey to top Adam.” LOL

ITA agree with Jim’s NoBo theory. It’s pretty obvious Kara wrote it with Danny in mind and if he got to sing it the dude would have won. Not only that but I always believed Kris inherited most of Danny’s votes, and the same would have happened if Danny got in the final two–he would have inherited Kris’s votes, squeezing Adam out. I like Adam, but I honestly don’t think he ever had a chance. Kradam only exists in the blogosphere, not in the real world of AI voters, where Kris and Danny shared a fanbase but Adam did not.

I think Jim always did have a soft spot for Danny, made softer when he got to meet him and found out what a big goofy puppy dog he really is. I haven’t seen a description of the man quite like that before, but it definitely fits.

“Will be interesting to see the Post Idol 60 seconds wrap!!

He just posted it! http://tinyurl.com/yettboq”

Thanks Lauren for the link. Unfortunately it doesn’t work over here [have to wait for the You Tube] but I read the transcript -so I get the idea – not the same as watching Jim but I tried to picture him as I was reading!!

It doesn’t work? D: The recap is comedy gold. I loved his whole spoof of the fan wars. (And Kradam implication)

toonces1966
01/11/2010 at 8:04 pm
Jim is so funny!

Loved the off color remark about Idol setting up “Gokey to top Adam.” LOL

ITA agree with Jim’s NoBo theory. It’s pretty obvious Kara wrote it with Danny in mind and if he got to sing it the dude would have won. Not only that but I always believed Kris inherited most of Danny’s votes, and the same would have happened if Danny got in the final two–he would have inherited Kris’s votes, squeezing Adam out. I like Adam, but I honestly don’t think he ever had a chance. Kradam only exists in the blogosphere, not in the real world of AI voters, where Kris and Danny shared a fanbase but Adam did not.

I think Jim always did have a soft spot for Danny, made softer when he got to meet him and found out what a big goofy puppy dog he really is. I haven’t seen a description of the man quite like that before, but it definitely fits.

I think you’re right toonces, AT&T and chain restaurant conspiracies aside, I DO think that the Danny voter-shift is why Kris won. I love Kris, but Adam seems to have more fans, now that the voting is over and Danny’s and Kris’ fans have gone their separate ways. If the finale had been expanded to include all 3 guys, Adam prolly would’ve won. (JMO)

I really like Kris’s personality. He’s sweet and drily humorous, and it was always adorable to see him and Adam (or him and Adam and Allison) crack each other up.

Jim Cantiello is pretty funny; Jim was actually clever during the season (and fair- he skewered everyone!) in his snark; he really made me laugh; in contrast to EW who was so obviously biased and vicious.

I really appreciate his comments about Danny. I thought Danny was a genuinely sweet person, and what happened to him was painful to watch.

I so agree Josiex. I liked Danny too and would be so angry at the misrepresentation of his actions, ie “Danny is arrogant, Danny claps for himself”, etc. I saw just the opposite on AI and while I could understand people being irritated about his pimpage by the producers, couldn’t understand some like EW on the internet personally mis-representing his actions.

I appreciate Jim being apologetic and making the point what a nice, un-calculating person Danny is. Danny has proven post AI what a sincere guy he is and everyone who meets him says what a nice, humble guy he is.

Lauren722
01/11/2010 at 8:41 pm
What would KRADAM do? Focus on the KRADAM!

That is my new motto!

We need plastic bracelets “WWKD”!

jts323 Woohoo!!! for S9…but, sadly, it will only start over again.

OMG! That would be all sorts of epic! I am seriously considering this btw. WWKD <3

Not only that but I always believed Kris inherited most of Danny’s votes, and the same would have happened if Danny got in the final two–he would have inherited Kris’s votes, squeezing Adam out. I like Adam, but I honestly don’t think he ever had a chance. Kradam only exists in the blogosphere, not in the real world of AI voters, where Kris and Danny shared a fanbase but Adam did not.

I’ve never seen any proof that Kris and Danny shared a fan base. If so, whatever happened to it? Because if they did in fact share a fan base, they still would. And Danny would be as popular as Kris. He sure doesn’t seem to be, though. Why does he get so few comments around here, for example?

I know other Kris fans. Some are also fans of Adam and/or Allison. I actually don’t know a single one who’s a fan of Danny.

Usually the people who believe in this theory are fans of Adam or one of the other Idols. If they were fans of Kris, they’d understand the differences between Danny and Kris better, I think. Can you imagine Kris singing Jesus Take The Wheel, just for one example?

Though people persist in assuming the qualities that drew people to Danny are similar to those that drew people to Kris, the fact is that’s not the case at all. To me Danny is a good performer and a good singer, but just too corny and musically uninteresting for my tastes. Kris interested me from the start becasue of his musical ability, and something cool about him. Danny is not cool. Kris has a hit song on pop radio that strikes me as a pretty current, hip, song. Danny is a country artist, mainly because he hadn’t a chance on pop radio.

There may actually be more similarities between Kris and Adam than between Kris and Danny. If the final shootout had come down to Danny and Adam, I would have voted for Adam, I’m sure. I wonder how many other Kris fans agree with me.

Though there’s every possibility that some of Danny’s fans may have voted for Kris, I have never understood why people think Kris needed “help” to win. He managed to beat Danny into the Top 2, and could even have had the most votes of the three, at that point. The assumption that “Kris needed Danny’s fans to win” can’t be proven, and I have always doubted it a lot.

Ross: Yes, I agree with you about the Danny/Kris fanbase issue. I know a lot of Kris fans; none of them I can think of were also Danny fans. Maybe the back story is similar, but musically, they are very, very different. My family and a lot of my friends are musicians; we were drawn to Kris very early on. Danny, no. I think I probably would have voted for Adam over Danny if it were those two in the finale.

Watching the Top 3 performance & results night again, I’m reminded the top 2 on Top 3 night were only one million votes apart, out of 47 million. That’s virtually a tie between Kris & Adam, and none of us knows who got the most that night.

There may actually be more similarities between Kris and Adam than between Kris and Danny.

The similarities I see are between Danny and Adam. They both have big voices and an over-the-top performance style (to my eyes).

If the final shootout had come down to Danny and Adam, I would have voted for Adam, I’m sure. I wonder how many other Kris fans agree with me.

*raises hand* Oh, yes, I would definitely have voted for Adam. I’ve often heard that Kris, Adam and Allison shared fans, while Danny had his own fans. I believe it, mostly because I liked Kris, Allison and Adam, while Danny always left me cold.

Well I dont know if any Kris fans would have voted for Danny, but I’m reasonably certain many (if not most) of Dannys fans would vote for anyone other than Adam, so by default they voted for Kris.

Anyone that wins AI needs “help” in the form of votes to win. Many of those votes come from people who had previously supported another contestant. A casual viewer who most likely would have gone for Danny among the three most likely would go for Kris when it was down to Kris and Adam. It appears that the “proof” of this would be that Kris won. I don’t understand how this is an implied insult to Kris.

It doesn’t matter anymore anyway. It’s great that they all three did well. Danny is in country music because it suits what he wants to do musically better than any other genre, and it’s a great place to be for a sustainable career. As to why more Danny fans don’t post here, I am assuming that that is not a serious question. But basically, now that the competition is over, I don’t think the issue of shared fan bases is pertinent anymore. Each of the guys has his own type of appeal, and they’re all really great but very different.

The debacle of the Renegade duet is likely a big factor in whether or not some Kris fans may have chosen not to vote for Danny. I know it was a sore point for me and several other Kris fans I know. I suspect Danny fans wouldn’t have been particularly bothered by the duet, but I don’t know.

The reason I actually agree with the assumption about the fanbases is just that now that the season is over, it does actually seem that there are more “Adam fans” than “Kris fans” (I like them both, although I am way more of a Kris fan)of course, I don’t know that for a fact…it just seems that way. There are more replies in Adam threads, more Adam fansites, more articles, etc…Plus, I DO actually think Danny’s fans were more likely to vote for Kris than Adam. But…had Kris been eliminated, I would definitely have voted for Adam over Danny, so that part of the theory really doesn’t hold water. Danny has a great voice, but he just wasn’t for me.

I don’t mean to imply that I too, think Kris needed help. He certainly did NOT need help getting to the top 2! Maybe Danny’s fans did not vote at all in the finale, who knows? Maybe the majority of Kris fans are just not “Idoloonies” who followed everything after the season ended, and that is why Adam’s fanbase seems bigger. Honestly, it doesn’t matter. I’m glad they are both following the path they chose. If both guys live a happy, healthy life doing what they love, I really don’t care who has more fans!

I’m also gonna buy Allison’s album. She is amazing! IDK why I haven’t done that yet!

lakato, I can only tell you that among the community of Danny fans with which I am familiar, Adam is also liked by many. It is not rare to see people whose own “Top 2″ was Adam and Danny. That is true for me, and I’ve noticed that it isn’t unusual.

Danny is not cool.

Well, that’s certainly subjective. I think Danny is as cool as Adam and Kris, although probably not as cool as Allison. lol.

I do concede that Danny is a bit of a dork, but that’s still cool in my book. He is very genuine, and I think that’s cool.

Deez: I agree with you that I wish them all the best now as well. And, I’m going to get Allison’s album, too – I loved her performance on NYE.

I think people often say “Danny fans helped Kris win” because of album sales- if Kris won AI on votes of people who supported him all the way through, then why are his album sales so poor? They may have preferred him to Adam, but not enough to buy an album.

Plus , many fans will continue to vote when their favorite is off. If there was such a tiny margin between Kris and Adam in the top 3 then obviously Danny fans helped propel Kris to victory- who else?

No matter how you spin it; the above statements are very logical. Kara herself said before the finale that “look to where the Danny votes go” as far as who would win.

Having said that; on the forums I am on; there appear to be as many or more Danny fans who also like Adam; as compared to Kris.

But these online worlds are a tiny and unreal view of the real world out there when it comes to opinion and voting. For all the negativity against Danny online; someone was voting him never in the bottom until he went out. So you can’t really use the online experience to say that “Adam” has more fans than “Kris” etc. But I believe album sales can say that.

The next poster who gives pop orange a hard time about her spelling WILL BE BANNED.

And I mean: You’re NEVER COMING BACK banned.

And Danny would be as popular as Kris. He sure doesn’t seem to be, though. Why does he get so few comments around here, for example?

Danny seemed to be every bit as popular as Kris on tour. At this point with all the winner’s promo, I’m sure that Kris is very much more in the minds of the public than Danny is. But I think on the show, Danny was just as popular as Kris.

Just because one contestant goes home before another doesn’t mean that they were not as popular. Sometimes fanbases get complacent. Remember Adam in the bottom 3 or Daughtry going home in the fourth place. It happens.

As far as Danny’s fans not posting on this board, I have in the last couple of months begun frequenting a Danny fan board, and I can tell you that some people there do not come here because of the extreme negativity toward Danny, especially in the Spring and Summer months. I can also attest to the fact that as a Danny fan you had to have extremely thick skin….it was not for the faint of heart. So I do believe that many Danny fans have decided that it’s a much more pleasant experience to surround yourself with like minded people. I think the fans of the other idols would by and large do the same in a similar situation.

At any rate, their relative popularity doesn’t really matter much at this point.

But these online worlds are a tiny and unreal view of the real world out there when it comes to opinion and voting. For all the negativity against Danny online; someone was voting him never in the bottom until he went out. So you can’t really use the online experience to say that “Adam” has more fans than “Kris” etc. But I believe album sales can say that.

That probably is a good indicator. AI Fans are generally the ones buying albums (at least in the first couple of months), single sales would be more driven by people hearing a song and liking it…not just being strictly a fan of one person. (at least that seems to make sense…so in way, it’s good news for both Kris and Adam) We’ll know soon about Danny I suppose, although casual fans won’t know when/if he has an album out…if country stations play his music, people will become aware of it quickly.

If it was Adam or Danny I would voted for Adam. Just did not like Danny’s singing.

I think Danny is as cool as Adam and Kris, although probably not as cool as Allison. lol.

aek, that’s so funny, and so true! Allison is the coolest. Anyone who hasn’t bought her album definitely should. “D is for Dangerous” is one of my most played tracks. I wish she’d get another single released soon.

I also wanted to add a p.s. to my response to lakato, I always like to add evidence to support my statements when it’s pertinent. I remember the night of the AMA awards, when Adam was facing a pretty tough crowd on here. I was here with my “Adam fan” hat on to support him. I only remember one other Danny fan regular turning up that night to have a say, I believe it was Steph. She offered some empathy by remembering how tough “Dream On” night was for Danny fans, and her message was basically don’t lose heart, this too shall pass. In my experience, that’s about how much Danny fans “hate” Adam. I love Adam and think highly of Kris, and I’d notice and not feel comfortable with a lot of hostility directed toward them, and I’m quite comfortable with the Danny fans I hang out with online.

Haha, Allison is def. cool! Just remembered this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hT8_qbPUIF4 (and enjoying her CD, which has some songs that grab you from the first moment, and others that don’t, but grow on you with time)

I think Danny is as cool as Adam and Kris, although probably not as cool as Allison. lol.

Hey, I think my point was more that Kris fans and danny fans have a lot of different tastes (including in what constitutes “cool”), so I doubt they actually are very similar. And my other point was that I have actually never met a Kris fan who didn’t like Adam more than Danny during the competition — and the boards seemed to also confirm this — though I’m sure there are some. I do know a couple of people who were Danny/Adam fans so I still think Danny’s fans could just as easily have voted for Adam. There seems to be some notion that Kris had no fans.

And I didn’t mean to piss off any Danny fans with my remarks, sorry if I did.

I don’t think album sales can always be brought up to prove anything about Kris’s fanbase. If Adam has such a huge fanbase, his singles should all be in the Top 10. It’s a roundaboout argument. I think his fanbase is more “active”, i. e. voting in every online poll, etc. — but is it bigger? I can’t say. I’m not sure at this point what the fanbases are up to.

Also, Adam has gotten so much press hype I’m not really surprised his album is selling better. I can’t necessarily attribute it to fanbases. Without the months of free publicity I doubt he’d be selling half as well.

My point really was that the “Adam would have won without Kris getting Danny’s vote” argument needs to be challenged, occasionally.
maybe Adam would have lost to Kris anyway. Maybe people just liked Kris more. Just like people apparently liked David Cook more than Archie. Maybe it’s that simple. It just seems it’s hard for a lot of people to accept.

My point really was that the “Adam would have won without Kris getting Danny’s vote” argument needs to be challenged, occasionally.

Ross, we will never know will we?

But I don’t think you can say that singles are an indication of fan base at all. More non AI people will hear a single and buy it; yet not like it enough, or the artist enough to pick up the whole album.

As someone else here said, current fanbase interest is usually shown by first, second week album sales- the general public is not aware of the artist having an album out yet; whereas the fanbase is. Adam selling more than twice the albums Kris did his first week is pretty indicative of a stronger AI fanbase. Kris having the lowest first week sales of all AI winners is indicative of a weak fanbase (yes, he won but I do agree with some Adam fans who say people voted for factors – which is their right- other than liking his music, such as cuteness factor, liking one song factor, not liking Adam’s personnae, and yes, Danny votes from voters still invested enough to throw him some votes).

First week album sales could be interesting for Danny, since he doesn’t have as large online fan base as the others and it is so far away from AI. I hope they are good enough for him to be successful and have a future.

I’m not saying that Kris doesn’t have a future; I think he will be successful. Personally, I love LLWD (even though it is a cover) but am not that thrilled with the album. But I believe Kris will be successful.

I’m not saying that Kris doesn’t have a future; I think he will be successful. Personally, I love LLWD (even though it is a cover) but am not that thrilled with the album. But I believe Kris will be successful.

You made some valid points. I’m A Kris fan and after first listen, I was a little “meh” about the album. There were about 3 songs I REALLY liked. (LLWD was NOT one of them, although I like it a lot more now) Now, after “several” listens, there are maybe 3 that I don’t like. But…I realize that non-AI fans won’t give it the same chance I did.

I think Kris will be successful in the long run. He is MUCH better live, and he has improved on most of the songs from his album since its release. Since he will have more time to work things out the way he wants them, I think his second album will be better than the first.

I think Danny will improve with experience as well. I don’t think he had anything other than a church audience, so he’s got a lot to learn. But He’s got a great voice, when he figures out the “less is more” thing, I think that will help. My favorite performances from Danny were the understated ones (Rat Pack night was verrry good). Some of the ones like PYT and (Disco night) were just too much…Too much dancing, oversinging, gesturing, etc… He doesn’t need to do all that with his voice. Once he figures that out and finds the best way to present himself publicly, he will be fine.

I think Adam will be fine as well. The “superstar” thing is up in the air (for me). It’s certainly a possibility b/c he has the goods, and the press, to make it happen. He just has to be wary of being out there so much that people get weary of it. (ie the TMZ type crap…who is he with, what is he wearing…things that have nothing to do with his singing) People (including the media)get bored easily, and they turn on others at the drop of a hat. It will be a fine line for him to toe. I think after the way things started, he is smart to keep a lower profile until he starts touring. The Oprah interview will be a good thing for him I think (to soften the image).

I think Kris will be successful in the long run.

Yes, Kris is understated, but I believe he will find a niche and continue to make good music. Agree the second album will be better than the first.

I think Adam will be fine as well. The “superstar” thing is up in the air (for me).

Yeah, I guess I don’t really agree with Jim C. I think he will be successful; but I don’t think his preferred style is really what most people are looking for; he will always have his niche, but I am not guessing superstar, despite his very loud fanbase and media darling status.

Too much dancing, oversinging, gesturing, etc… He doesn’t need to do all that with his voice.

Lol at your comment on Danny! He is pretty cute; they have him sitting on a stool holding a water bottle during his acoustic tour; I think he is trying really hard to break his gospel habit of gesturing so much. I think he is over the dancing thing; he really was quite polished on tour.
He is my favorite; and thus the most difficult to be objective about. I really do think he has a solid album (fans can’t agree on the best song, so it does appeal to a variety) thus far; but he isn’t getting any publicity and he is trying to do something more groundbreaking- no twang and infuse his blue eye soul into country, country may or may not have him. Of course I hope he is successful as well, but it is more difficult to predict in his case.