Idolslc’s American Idol Tour 2009 Minneapolis Recap

LOL. The guy behind me who had accompanied his wife and teenage daughter to the concert hadn’t moved or made a sound until Ain’t No Sunshine, after which he clapped three times and said ‘beautiful.’  Hilarious.

I just love that. I am all about the emotion of music, so that little story makes me grin, big.

LOL. The guy behind me who had accompanied his wife and teenage daughter to the concert hadn’t moved or made a sound until Ain’t No Sunshine, after which he clapped three times and said ‘beautiful.’  Hilarious.

Well, he has great taste in music. That’s all I can say. Hahaha.

Thanks for the recap. November 17 is also marked on my calendar. I just hope Kris’ album releases here in my country on the same day as the US (or maybe even earlier).

I am a little confused. How is it that you admit to having gone to the concert to see Adam and didn’t want to miss a minute of his amazing vocals but can’t see yourself buying his album or going to his solo concert. Do you only enjoy his karaoke and don’t think you would enjoy his original music?

Thank you for your nice recap.

However, I’d be very likely buy a ticket to see Adam be the lead in a Broadway musical. (Sorry, Adam-the-rock-star, that’s just me.)

You mean you’re going to fly to NY to see him play in Broadway? that’s very nice of you. He doesn’t belong to Broadway and he never in Broadway. But as an Adam fans I hope he won’t go there for many and many years. If he wants to take a break from touring and recording after 5 or 10 years maybe..

Hearing so many recaps mention that the band is over-powering one or more singers, it makes me wonder if they do a proper sound check before each show. Every venue is different, so I’d think they’d need at least a few seconds of each singer, with the band, preferably a few seconds of each song, in order to set levels. Do they do this? In a good hall, the sound guy could adjust pretty quickly on the fly, but maybe the sound is not uniform enough in these sports arenas to get it right everywhere in the building.

Funny, how you never hear of them making basketball teams play in concert halls.

Love this review. I also got the biggest smile out of the ANS comment. His 3 claps were high praise, indeed, sounds like.

I completely agree with this:

He’s a musician who draws you into his passion.

Sums up everything I love about Kris in one sentence.

Thnx 4. the recap

For tired_terry and Adamme:

Back in my high school and college days I took voice lessons and participated in concert choirs and theatre productions. So my background contributes to my interest in Adam. Adam’s voice fascinates me both aesthetically and technically. The reason I don’t see myself buying Adam’s album is because as he describes it, I am not a fan of the style of music he’s pursuing.

Sorry to hear that Bandzilla struck again and that you had the “helium,” effect going on. And that on top of that, that Adam was not in best vocal form due the the schedule you mentioned. As you say, it happens to everyone, but it’s unfortunate when it does.

But cool that you enjoyed Kris so much and hope that you enjoy his album when it comes out. And that if he comes to Minneapolis to support it, that you have the chance to see and enjoy him live again.

Yeah, Matt seems really good from what so many are saying and should be signed, but like you, I’m not sure what kind of music he would make.

About Megan, I think she could do some interesting stuff with her voice, but I agree, small settings and more coffehouse/jazzy type stuff. Though agree, unprofessional to laugh like that during a song.

Yeah, Allison is a firecracker and while she still has some room for growth, as you mention in your recap, I agree that she has a ton of talent and stage presence, so I hope she does well going forward in her career, as well.

And no offense, but I hope you never get the chance to see Adam live again. But only because that would mean it was on Broadway and that would mean he essentially failed at what he wants to do, so that would make me sad. So yeah, hope you never see him doing that.

For idolsic

Which style in his album does not appeal to you. He says it will be ecclectic. Pop, rock, ballads, dance, rock anthems. Which one? The only thing the songs will have in common is his amazing voice.

I can see Adam’s solo tour being like a series of mini “broadway” productions in one show. All of his performances, no matter what he sings, draws you into the story because he doesn’t just sing them he performs them. I can’t think of a better way to spend an evening than to be carried away in a dream state from one “story” to another through his interpretive musical performances. I guess that is kinda like a solo “broadway like” series of short stories.

I rhink I may be giving the wrong impression. I am not all about Adam (though he is my favorite) I will be buying albums from all the top 5 if Matt is able to join them.

By the way, do you Matt lovers know that Amazon has 2 CD’s by Matt for sale.
They must have been some pre-idol self productions.

Though I love all styles of music and would be quite satisfied listening to any one of the top five depending on my mood, Adam’s is the only solo concert that I would buy tickets for. I have to admit that I would probably pay a ridiculous price for front rows seats to his.

Which style in his album does not appeal to you. He says it will be ecclectic. Pop, rock, ballads, dance, rock anthems. Which one? The only thing the songs will have in common is his amazing voice.

I can see Adam’s solo tour being like a series of mini ‘broadway’  productions in one show. All of his performances, no matter what he sings, draws you into the story because he doesn’t just sing them he performs them. I can’t think of a better way to spend an evening than to be carried away in a dream state from one ‘story’  to another through his interpretive musical performances. I guess that is kinda like a solo ‘broadway like’  series of short stories.

^^ THIS totally. I think Adam’s going to do shows like we have not yet seen and I for one can’t wait. And I also would never assume I know what his music is going to sound like before hearing it ‘“ other than it will be vocally epic. But IMO, as it’s been so often said, he can sing “Mary Had a Little Lamb” and make it compelling.

I’m glad you had a great time at the show and enjoyed Kris so much. Thanks for the recap!!

Hey, truthiness, no offense taken. I think you’re saying you want Adam to wildly successful ‘“ something I mentioned I want for him, too. Too bad, though, to think of Broadway as a potential failure. I don’t think of it that way; it’s more like just another chapter of life.

When I read that four part Ultimate Interview I noticed the variety of performing experiences Adam’s had. Performing-wise it seems he can do whatever he sets his mind to ‘“ but he also seems restless to me. In the 20/20 interview he said, ‘Everybody wants to be a rock star, who doesn’t? I get to play dress up and be a rock star.’  I just noticed that he’s not saying something like, ‘it’s been my personal driving passionate desire to be a rock star.’  And I notice he talks about it like he’s ‘playing’  a rock star ‘“ which he is more than qualified to so.

I wonder if he’s in his ‘rock star’  chapter right now ‘“ and will likely be there for a while ‘“ but eventually will look for other creative outlets and become viewed as more than just a rock star.

I realized after the concert I had gone specifically to see Adam.

That statement totally confused me. Not a fan, wouldn’t buy his album nor go to see him in solo concert. Yes, totally confusing.

tired_terry

I can see Adam’s solo tour being like a series of mini ‘broadway’  productions in one show. All of his performances, no matter what he sings, draws you into the story because he doesn’t just sing them he performs them. I can’t think of a better way to spend an evening than to be carried away in a dream state from one ‘story’  to another through his interpretive musical performances. I guess that is kinda like a solo ‘broadway like’  series of short stories.

really good points

Susan M

And I also would never assume I know what his music is going to sound like before hearing it

Yep, who knows until we hear it? We’ll see.

. Too bad, though, to think of Broadway as a potential failure. I don’t think of it that way; it’s more like just another chapter of life.

Well I don’t consider doing Broadway a failure, at all. It’s pretty much the pinnacle of stage in America, after all, and a tough job to do. However it would be a failure for Adam if he was doing Broadway for the forseeable future, because it would mean that his trying to do rock music, had failed. As Broadways has also been the home to a variety of other Idols who tried to make it as recording artists, and didn’t succeed in that market. There are as a lot of them. So while yes, Broadway should never be considered a failure, for AI people trying to make it? It kind of is. And the AI people are lucky to have a leg up to even be on Broadway, because it is tough to do and hard to get good parts, on.

As for Adam’s restlessness, true, but his love of music has remained constant, even if it’s taken different forms in how he expresses it. And he did grow up with and loving rock music, even doing a garage band with his father and family friends, to more with the past few years, trying to make it in that space. Who knows if he’ll get bored with it, even if successful? Maybe. Maybe not. Maybe he’ll be able to change his music enough to not be bored. Or add acting to challenge. Like David Bowie did to both things.

First things first, Adam is or isn’t successful with a recording career. Like you, I hope he is and what’s more, manages to produce some good stuff out of it, despite 19Evul’s tendency to hackery. Same as I wish for Kris and Allison, btw. Not relevant to the Adam discussion, but I wanted to put it out there.

Oh and phew! you weren’t offended, thanks for taking the time to respond to my post and to let me know that. I was a bit worried. It was nothing against you, I just know that if Adam is on Broadway anytime soon, it won’t be because it was his first choice. And yeah, saddening as a fan. sigh.

You mean you’re going to fly to NY to see him play in Broadway? that’s very nice of you. He doesn’t belong to Broadway and he never in Broadway.

I never really got this — why do people sometimes argue connecting Adam to Broadway based on geography like it’s some sort of diss? It’s sort of like saying, “no, you’re not drinking champagne, you’re drinking sparkling wine.” I get that officially, “Broadway” refers to shows in a specific part of Manhattan. But I think most people are just using the term as shorthand for a big, elaborate musical production (vs. a rinky-dink musical), which isn’t really a bad thing?

Great review idolslc! I especially liked to hear your review of Kris. I am with you, I will definitely purchase Kris’s CD (BTW: I have enjoy everything Kris has done so far, including BNS-so I know I will enjoy his CD). Not sure about the others yet-I might buy a single or two, but it will really depend on what they sound like.

jackappled

You totally got my meaning. When I first wrote the recap I wrote “Broadway-type musical” and then I think I changed it because I meant a really excellent production like would be on Broadway. I was imagining Adam to be the lead in a non-rinky-dink production not necessarily moving around with a traveling production so I used the term “Broadway” to mean what you said. And if Adam was in this type of production on Boadway, I would consider flying to NY and seeing him there.

But to those who’ve made the point – I agree. I want him to be the rock star that he wants to be first and if he ever wants to do theatre on Broadway, that’s when I’d like to see him there.

I just think that if Adam went back to musicals and perhaps Broadway that would be a very sad day for all the international fans (including me) who love his voice. Based on the interest on him in the UK and Asia, particularly in Japan, I’m positive (or at least I hope) that won’t be the case for at least a very long time, hopefully not ever.

I really am dislike when people start saying Adam needs to go back to Broadway (not the person who said it but what he/she said). Broadway is not a bad thing, but the stage is too small for him and only in NY, while Adam’s belongs to other people that’s not interested in Broadway. Ohh if he seriously wanted to persue career in Broadway he would’ve already moved to NY long long time ago, but he didn’t.

And yes I agree with Thruthiness, I hope you never get the chance to see Adam live again. And as far as buying his album, quoting Adam “if you don’t like his music go buy the other guy album”

Well, shout out to all the Kris fans who share the love! I read a comment by someone a day or two ago here at mj’s that Kris’ brother describes Kris’ upcoming album as pop, alternative and r&b. That confirms my anticipation of November 17 (when I buy the other guy album).

I didn’t think the one comment in my recap about Broadway would spark so much reaction. It was originally a simple comment for me ‘“ stemming from the fact that even though I’ve watched many Adam videos, the one I come back to over and over again is the Brigadoon recording from 2004. I’m obsessively listening and questioning whether the live recording is truly unretouched (or un-re-engineered?). Pathetically clicking replay.

One of my favorite recaps. Thanks.

I didn’t think the one comment in my recap about Broadway would spark so much reaction.

I think the reaction comes from the idea that people who dislike Adam use “Broadway” as a diss and a way of covertly saying he doesn’t belong on the radio or as a recording artist.

Your recap was good so thank you for taking the time to give us your thoughts. After reading it and seeing you say that you realized you went specifically to see Adam, I have to wonder if perhaps you went “hoping” that he would disappoint you and therefore you found what you were looking for.

I’ve watched every video I can find and I’ve seen the concert twice live and I still don’t get the “helium” comments and I keep wondering why it’s never mentioned in any of the tour reviews by critics. It would seem something that odd would be worth mentioning.

I think the reaction comes from the idea that people who dislike Adam use ‘Broadway’  as a diss and a way of covertly saying he doesn’t belong on the radio or as a recording artist.

discostix:

It wasn’t meant as a diss and I totally believe he has a future as a recording artist.

I really wanted him to thrill me at the concert and I knew that he could do that based on the tour videos I’d seen – but as I said, I don’t think Minneapolis was his most thrilling performance.

Helium – yeah, a big mystery – I just chalk it up to probably an odd pocket of sound in the area I was sitting, possibly combined with my ears being affected by the noise level, including the pyrotechnics.

The video(s) of Starlight in Minneapolis sound normal to me and sound completely different than what my ears were trying to tell me at the concert.

Her hair stayed out of her face until about half way through Cry Baby and by then she was moving all over the stage

Any improvement in the hair hiding is welcome news. The not being able to see her face thing is not good for building a career. Especially on TV. People need to recognize not just her hair and voice, but her cute face, too.

Thanks for recap, always interesting to hear people’s experiences and opinions.

Adam to Broadway based on geography like it’s some sort of diss? It’s sort of like saying, ‘no, you’re not drinking champagne, you’re drinking sparkling wine.’  I get that officially, ‘Broadway’  refers to shows in a specific part of Manhattan. But I think most people are just using the term as shorthand for a big, elaborate musical production (vs. a rinky-dink musical), which isn’t really a bad thing?

I get what you’re saying, but I think why people make those distinctions is that there is a difference between Cristal and Korbel. Broadway is the pinnacle of theatre in America and while it might not be all good, what is most successful and meaningful in theatre work in America, is from there, it’s Cristal. Non-Broadway stage shows have a much more varied quality and generally pretty low and while some can be very good, too much is Korbel. Even some touring versions of Broadways shows, are not that great. So I can see why saying that ‘see them on Broadway,’ as a compliment, than yes, I would assume the person meant actual Broadway because that’s the best thing in terms of theatre. If that makes sense? Not sure. It’s not a big deal to me and like I said, I don’t consider it a diss, per se, but I don’t want Adam there for my already stated reasons.

I didn’t think the one comment in my recap about Broadway would spark so much reaction. It was originally a simple comment for me ‘“ stemming from the fact that even though I’ve watched many Adam videos, the one I come back to over and over again is the Brigadoon recording from 2004. I’m obsessively listening and questioning whether the live recording is truly unretouched (or un-re-engineered?). Pathetically clicking replay.

I don’t think it was re-touched, because it was made by theatre geeks because they admired it and when Adam got famous, shared it with a YouTube arts channel. There is a rock website that had been discussed on this site that was really into discussing rock singers voices and their analysis of that piece would probably be something you could get into. Specifically they like to talk notes, how high/low, strong, transitions, breath control, pitch, the like. And what he does at 3:23 impressed them a lot.

Oh as to why it sparked reaction, well I’ve already explained my reasons, and thanks for getting what I meant by it. Other than that though, there is a tendency to use “should stick to Broadway,” for Adam because they don’t think he is either authentic as a rocker (which your saying that in conjunction to that comment, would seem to play into that school of thought), that he’s a poseur. He’s too theatrical for rock, so he should ‘go back to Broadway,’ or a variation on that, ‘he will be successful in Vegas, where he belongs.’ So there’s that aspect of it. Secondly there is the thing as I said, that he doesn’t want to do Broadway, either generically or specifically right now. So saying one hopes to see someone in that genre, it will be because he’s failed at what he wanted. Which is all sad times for fans. Not that it’s bad or that you were dissing him, per se.

But I hope you don’t feel to put upon. That sure wasn’t my intention and I again, respect your opinion even if/when don’t agree with it and I really do thank you for sharing your recap and opinons. I found them very interesting. And yeah, I really hope you enjoy Kris’s music and tour, seems like you’re excited about what you’re hearing from his camp about that, cool!

‘Everybody wants to be a rock star, who doesn’t? I get to play dress up and be a rock star.’  I just noticed that he’s not saying something like, ‘it’s been my personal driving passionate desire to be a rock star.’  And I notice he talks about it like he’s ‘playing’  a rock star ‘“ which he is more than qualified to so.

I remember this as well. Something about it actually put me off about Adam. But, I mean, he has an incredible voice and I for one am curious what kind of music he comes out with.

‘Everybody wants to be a rock star, who doesn’t? I get to play dress up and be a rock star.’  I just noticed that he’s not saying something like, ‘it’s been my personal driving passionate desire to be a rock star.’  And I notice he talks about it like he’s ‘playing’  a rock star ‘“ which he is more than qualified to so.

I remember this as well. Something about it actually put me off about Adam. But, I mean, he has an incredible and I for one am curious what kind of music he comes out with.

truthiness

3:23.

yeah! no kidding! and also at 2:03.

thanks for trying to connect with where I’m coming from – i appreciate that. and I probably would check out that website you’re referring to if you reference it for me – thanks.

don’t worry that you’ve offended me –

but maybe I’m a geek re adam – can I love him and be an odd adam fan – can i be a geek and not buy his album because i’m more into pop that’s alternative and r&b influenced?

can I go ga-ga (pun intended) over the brigadoon recording and still really, really want Adam to be wildly successful at whatever he truly wants to do – which he’s made very clear is not Broadway at this time and i totally get that?

I really don’t get the broadway references Adam keeps getting because to me nothing he sang on idol sounded like musical theatre and his singing style is far from how musical theatre usually sounds. I get that he can sing musical theatre, I understand that he has worked in musical theatre but I don’t think he would be on idol if that’s what he wanted to do in the future. I feel like he is not being judged on what he does now and how he actually sounds now.

You asked for the websites, here is the Adam, and others, thread, they start discussing the Brigadoon piece I think around page 26 http://forums.nutsie.com/viewtopic.php?t=54895&start=375&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight=

but if you want to check out that thread from the beginning, interesting to read all of their analysis, especially this one guy that hates him for a while, but gets converted. That was funny.

And the larger discussion of rock voices from that site is here: http://forums.nutsie.com/viewforum.php?f=53

I get and admire both obsession and geekdom as I do/am both and these guys really seem to like to discuss voices and vocal abilities, a lot. So if that’s your bag, it’s worth at least a look.

Thank you, truthiness. Will check out the links.

Oh and I forgot one that’s relevant for our discussion: http://forums.nutsie.com/viewtopic.php?t=18672&start=0

truthiness – took a first pass at the links. ok. i’m not that much of a geek, but i do find their discussion interesting. i’ll go back and look again i’m sure – especially at the lists where they’ve ranked artists based on specific vocal criteria. thanks for the links. it’s noteworthy that Adam is so high on their list given that all the names on the list i recognized are very well established artists – another acknowledgement of Adam’s undeniable vocal amazingness.

truthiness ‘“ took a first pass at the links. ok. i’m not that much of a geek, but i do find their discussion interesting

Yeah, they do seem to take it all very seriously. Reminds me of YouTubes I’ve seen of singers where it’s nothing, but collections of their notes and labelling them. I find it pretty cool myself and not something I could ever do. I’m jellus of you musical types that can do that.

thanks for your recap. Everyone’s entitled to their opinion. Appreciate all so we have more to read and blog about. Adam did say in a very recent interview that he doesn’t want to do Broadway anytime in the near future. Once upon a time, he did think about moving to New York, but he never got around to it. He said theatre was just a way to pay his bills, but he wanted to do something for his future and Idol has done that for him. He’s very happy now and excited for everything that’s ahead. All of his fans, including myself, need to look ahead to his bright future and move forward with him. He’s more than proved himself as a star on this tour. Whoever wants to join his bandwagon, welcome. If you aren’t a fan of his and want to join other idols’ bandwagon(s) great!! Remember they are all friends and want each other to succeed.
However I do love to read all these “differences” of opinions. So please keep them coming. lol

Hi! Thank you for the recap, and I’m glad you had such a great time. I didn’t mind the Broadway comment–sometimes it comes across as annoying because it’s like people hear “gay” and go “Oh, back to Broadway with you” but with you it didn’t sound like that at all.

And I notice he talks about it like he’s ‘playing’  a rock star ‘“ which he is more than qualified to so.

Adam said he wanted to “play dress-up and be a rock star” (and I think he’s using rock star in the sense that people often use it now, to refer to any bold, visually and musically interesting singer, rather than limiting it specifically to rock singers).

So in terms of what he factually said, he wasn’t saying he wanted to “play a rock star” as in act like one for a role or something. He meant that his idea of being that includes dress-up and fancy and imagination and visually creative and strange things being incorporated into and enhancing the music–that’s part of what being a “rock star” means to him. Basically, he sounds like his approach to music and performing is in the vein of the artists he often gets compared to–Bowie, Freddie, Prince, etc.–which includes those elements of dress-up and play and fancifulness, but isn’t any less real or about the music. Artists in that vein aren’t pretending to be rock stars or pop stars or whatever it is they are–they’re really are that; they’re just interpreting what that means in a different way from, say, the pop/R&B artists you like. It’s like what Bowie did when he created Ziggy Stardust–he created an entire character and a whole different visual style for that character; but he wasn’t playing at or pretending to be a rock star–it was just that he naturally interpreted being a rock star to include “dress-up” and that was the reality of it for him. And that kind of theatricality is not at all the norm nowadays, so I think it’s sometimes confusing for people when Adam talks about it.

To be clear, I’m not saying that you should therefore like or accept Adam as a rock or pop singer or anything. I’m just talking pure semantics, based on what he factually said.

I just noticed that he’s not saying something like, ‘it’s been my personal driving passionate desire to be a rock star.’ 

I was a bit confused by this–I mean, he and Kris have both made comments like “Isn’t this everyone’s dream, to play to arenas of 20,000 people, to be a star, to do music for a living, etc.”–so, if it’s just the fact that Adam said something like that, then I don’t follow. I think that he and Kris both have a lot of passion for what they’re doing, and they’re just noticing that, yes, they’re living a lot of people’s dreams. If you’re saying that Adam doesn’t seem specifically drawn only to rock music as his passion, then yes, but maybe you’re misinterpreting it?–I think I said earlier that “rock star” is no longer used just to refer to actual rock singers, it’s used to refer to almost any genre of singer, especially any in the rock/pop/electronica vein (For example, Brian May called Katy Perry a “rock star” because he loved the boldness of her performance style–not because she actually sings rock, which she clearly doesn’t). And if it’s something else–well, Adam has been pursuing music for about 10 years and at least the last 2 have been spent specifically pursuing a career as a recording artist which he said he finally realized was what he truly wanted to do, and he’s said many times that music is his “personal driving passionate desire,” so I guess I’m still a bit confused? Which is fine, we all have to be confused sometimes. But I think that Adam and Kris are both pretty clearly passionate about what they’re doing, even if it took Kris until a few years ago to realize that he wanted to pursue a career in music and Adam until a few years ago to realize that he wanted to be a recording artist specifically. But once they realized what they wanted, I think that did become their driving passion, and that’s what led them to this. But again, maybe I’m missing something?

Thanks again for the recap.

FINALLY! A review from a non-Adam-fanatic! Really enjoyed the recap…I feel ya on the helium effect as well. IMO, I think Adam is better at playing a rock star than actually being one. I would see him on Broadway.

What I don’t understand is why Adam leaves the stage first on DSB, and hardly ever comes out before/after show. All the other Idols work just as hard as him on stage, so why is he always excused….voice rest? I’m sure the other Idols could use voice rest as well but they choose to meet and interact with fans…just sayinnn

Thank you for your recap! Nice comments about Anoop and Allison.

I would be sad if I thought you were coming primarily to see Adam and only for the performance energy…..But I don’t think that!! As you said you felt his energy was down and it affected his vocals. Unfortunately, the luck of the draw for the,near to the end, shows. His voice and his ability to communicate with the audience is usually quite incredible.
I totally understand that you were not making a disparaging remark re:
broadway. He, has said , in an interview that he wants to continue to explore all kinds of music…even Movie musicals, and he would be interested in Playing JUDAS in, a very, edgy Jesus Christ Superstar!! So he is not shuting the door on anything, but he does, for now, want to be a recording star and visit a number of pop, electro, dance and anthem music. This is a creative guy who is compelled from within to stretch for those incredible high notes. And he was told by his vocal teacher he would have to wait for maturity of his voice before he would be able to do so….so he did and He does go there!!! Yes!!!!

I enjoyed your review and felt you did a great job of giving a very balanced view to us. ADAM is the heir apparent to Be Iconic, not only to americans, but all of us citizens of this planet!!
As for the rest Kris, allison, and Matt show the most talent and charisma! Beyond that, there are still a couple of good voices, and a couple of Court Jesters!!Hee!

Wow, after reading these comments, I’m reminded why I NEVER will post a review of an American Idol concert. Kudos to all who have the courage to do so, if not totally enamoured by the “awesome” Adam Lambert.

yaaaaay. just jude “got me.” thanks so much for saying so.

again, interesting that the one “broadway” comment in my recap caused such a stir.

for me the comment really only stemmed from the simple fact that if i ever heard something like adam’s 2004 brigadoon recording live, my entire being would melt into an unrecoverable puddle. that’s just what’s true for me.

what’s true for adam is that he is so over-the-top talented that he can do whatever creative thing he wants to do and potentially find wild success. he can be many things in addition to the recording artist that he currently wants to be.

as i said, i will be watching and cheering adam’s career with interest while listening to kris’ alterntive and r&b inspired music because that’s just me.

isisdagmar

omg. i honestly had no idea that my reference to broadway would connect to “gay” for anyone. i think i get what you’re saying, but never thought i was inspiring that kind of thought. maybe i’m naive not to make that connection – but that just isn’t part of my thinking at all. i hope if that was implied in my recap it is clear in my subsequent comments where I was truly coming from.

idolslc – you are really cool. You’re able to have a discussion about your review, being thoughtful about the comments, and responding with understanding. Really refreshing. I enjoyed your review, too. Loving me some Adam and Kris, and Megan.

thanks for the supportive comments (thx, finn, it’s nice to be called cool ) and also for the general conversation. I hope everyone either has already gone, or will have a chance in these last few days of tour, to see a concert and enjoy your favorite idol(s)!

new to mjblog , found this blog by googleing Adam’s name

a little observation

love adam or hate adam , you just can’t ignore adam

isisdagmar

omg. i honestly had no idea that my reference to broadway would connect to ‘gay’  for anyone. i think i get what you’re saying, but never thought i was inspiring that kind of thought. maybe i’m naive not to make that connection ‘“ but that just isn’t part of my thinking at all. i hope if that was implied in my recap it is clear in my subsequent comments where I was truly coming from.

I don’t know if you’re still checking this, but I hope I made it clear that I didn’t think you mean anything negative by your comments! I liked your recap a lot! I was just trying to explain why people might have a slightly negative visceral reaction to that, and why that one comment prompted so much talk. But your comments were really thoughtful and didn’t come across like that at all, and hey, I want to see Adam be really successful at being a pop singer or a rock star or whatever he wants, but I’d love to see him in an amazing musical someday. Either Jesus Christ Superstar (as he’s mentioned) or something Sondheim. Plenty of singers and actors can do Broadway too, after all.

I like a fairly wide variety of music so I’m personally looking forward to Adam’s album the most but Kris’s album (and Allison’s album, as long as they don’t gear it to the tweens too much) is a very close second. Really, as long as they don’t overproduce their voices (crossing my fingers) or give them songs as terrible as NB to sing, I think I’ll be satisfied with the effort. As long as they do well enough to get to make second albums with hopefully more time and even more creative input, I’ll be happy. Thanks again.

hi isisdagmar – i just saw this and have a response for you but it’s too late here so will write to you tomorrow afternoon (and I really mean today this afternoon) minneapolis time. talk to ya then.

As Finn said “you are really cool,” Idolslc!!!
I am compelled to comment once more here…..Why?….Because I am so proud of you all(posters and re-cappers)!! You have continued to communicate about contentious or awkward subjects often to end up with very benign conclusions!
So great to see how well this blog talks!! As well, the very nice and sincere Idolslc, fearlessly, supports and explains what she meant!!!!

Last thought….Some of the ,most well intentioned, people are always on guard, making sure, that, “any reference,” that could be construed as being a negative, “gay slur,”is defended. I applaud that, because if we say nothing we become guilty of condoning predjudice.
But…,My position is to CHILL, just a little. Read again, for context or any, supporting, “put downs,” before we rush in. Then reply, as, needed!!!!
YOU ALL ROCK!!!

Hi again, isisdagmar. So this very well might be my last post here. I can tell that we are very much on the same page, so my post here is just to resonnate with you. Here goes.

First – that you brought up how a Broadway reference might connect negatively with ‘gay’  for some people made me realize that perhaps people did think like that and I was glad for the opportunity to respond to that ‘“ so thanks.

To clarify my references to the Ultimate Interview and 20/20 – I didn’t mean suggest that I thought of Adam as a fake rock star or a poser of any kind. I believe him when he describes himself as honest to a fault. He seems really transparent and sometimes I feel like he over-shares ‘“ tmi sometimes. But I don’t see him as faking or pretending anything.

Actually to me, the fact that he can ‘play rock star’  ‘“ and I mean true, real, successful rock star ‘“ is incredibly impressive and I was thinking of that as a good thing. It represents one of many creative outlets he as an artist/entertainer can pursue – because of his unique and amazing giftedness. It’s impressive because who has the ability to be a wildly successful rock star and go beyond that in the ways Adam can? Not many artists come close.

Not directed at you, isisdagmar – but some of Adam’s fans seem to want to protect his ‘rock-star-ness’  like that’s the final destination of his career. But who will be surprised if he designs fashion or becomes a screen actor? And if that happens there will probably be fans who discard ‘rock star’  in the same bin as ‘broadway/stage’  and defend his screen-actor-ness like that’s the best part of him. Good thing Adam seems to be free of having to play to the expectations and labels of others.

OK, so back to that I’m not likely to buy Adam’s upcoming album which was part of what sparked this discussion. As much as I’m impressed with Adam’s giftedness and want him to be wildly successful, I still just like alternative and r&b influenced pop/rock ‘“ which brings me back to Kris.

Adam and Kris have been such great examples of respecting and appreciating differences in each other while seeming to find similarities to enjoy ‘“ and that charms and delights many of us about both of them. They both have good business sense and recognize that the branding and the target markets for their albums are going to be different and contrasting. We as fans could take their cue and celebrate the talent, musicianship, intelligence and charm of both Kris and Adam while acknowledging that each of us will buy the album(s) of our choice based on our diverse interests and preferences’ ¦and chill everyone, that’s really OK.

Hearing Adam say “hey guys” and Kris say “chill.”

Thank you for your recap. I loved Kris, too, in both St. Louis and Chicago. It sounds like Minneapolis was a rocking place for the idol’s concert. It is great when they are appreciated since they all seem to put their hearts into performing. The only exception for me was Megan who kind of seemed to be more going through the motions, but it is probably just her personality. So glad the crowd appreciated Kris. It is hard for me to understand anyone who doesn’t get his talent. So glad you did, do.

Oh, you know I wanted to add that I agree with you about Megan. I kept thinking to that she would be better in a smaller more intimate setting, like a coffee house. She has an interesting quality to her voice. It just doesn’t seem to play well in a big arena where she really looked kind of stiff and a little strange.