Idols In Concert – Stats – 10/06/11

Did everybody wait until today to report their concert stats? There were over 500 stats reported this week. You’d think there would be a lot of Idols, right? Nope. Just one. Carrie Underwood at the AARP Birthday Bash for Tony. And we get the SYTYCD stats (love you AEG!). Meanwhile, Lollapalooza raked in almost 20M and Austin City Limits over 15M. Both events were sold out with 270K and 225K attendees each.

Sept. 24, 2011 AARP presents Tony Bennett’s 85th Birthday (including Carrie Underwood): Los Angeles, Calif.: Staples Center: 7,336 of 7,336 (SOLD-OUT!) – $742,963

Some tickets were $1,500!!!

So You Think You Can Dance Tour
Sept. 27, 2011: Boston, Mass.: Agganis Arena: 5,089 of 5,831 (87%): $270,207
Sept. 29, 2011: Providence, R.I.: Dunkin’ Donuts Center: 2,588 of 4,971 (52%): $143,418
Sept. 30, 2011: Atlantic City, N.J.: Trump Taj Mahal, Mark Etess Arena: 3,144 of 3,970 (81%): $172,824
Oct. 1, 2011: Mashantucket, Conn.: MGM Grand at Foxwoods: 3,800 of 3,800 (SOLD-OUT!): $212,317
Oct. 3, 2011: Uniondale, N.Y.: Nassau Veterans Memorial Coliseum: 3,669 of 3,892 (94%): $202,717

  • Elliegrll

    I think that this quote by Peter Edge is appropriate for the number’s thread, since this topic has been discussed a lot in here.

    “The best Idol results come from doing great A&R. The TV platform provides amazing coverage, but if you don’t have the right songs, it doesn’t really mean a whole hell of a lot, because we’ve seen American Idol winners come and go in a heartbeat. And we’ve seen them have great records, like Kelly Clarkson, starting with ‘Since U Been Gone.’ Or on the X Factor side, Leona Lewis, where ‘Bleeding Love’ gave her a double-platinum debut album; if she didn’t have those songs, her notoriety would have probably gone away. Those where the A&R wasn’t the best, or they weren’t willing to be A&R’d, they didn’t last.”

    Coming off of a show with 20 plus million people doesn’t mean anything if someone doesn’t have the songs that will appeal to consumers, and if their image/identity isn’t fully developed.

  • adolf_hipster

    lol he’s captain obvious, ain’t he? It’s all about the songs. It always makes me giggle when idol fans assume people will buy the music just because a contestant is on a cover of a magazine or books a spot on late night show. Nope, if the songs are sh*tty, you can be on TV non-stop and on all the magazine covers there exist and the music won’t sell well. Just ask JHud.

  • Pam

    CHR/Pop
    18 18 KELLY CLARKSON Mr. Know It All 4365 3779 586 23.33

    HAC
    9 8 KELLY CLARKSON Mr. Know It All 3101 2756 345 16.713
    24 16 DAUGHTRY Crawling Back To You 1659 809 850 8.08

    AC (1-39)
    5 6 JASON ALDEAN/KELLY CLARKSON Don’t You Wanna Stay 1345 1418 -73 8.771
    18 16 KELLY CLARKSON Mr. Know It All 297 194 103 3.476
    22 22 JOSH GRACIN Long Way To Go 143 139 4 0.222
    21 23 DAVID COOK Last Goodbye 132 144 -12 0.218
    39 33 DAUGHTRY Crawling Back To You 76 23 53 1.006

    Country (1-45, 47, 49, 51, 52, 54)
    31 34 KELLIE PICKLER Tough 1115 1180 -65 6.278
    39 37 LAUREN ALAINA Like My Mother Does 662 618 44 3.404
    43 40 SCOTTY MCCREERY The Trouble With Gir… 468 377 91 2.339
    48 44 CASEY JAMES Let’s Don’t Call It … 368 317 51 1.419

    Mainstream Rock
    38 23 DAUGHTRY Renegade 37 16 21 0.106

    Urban AC
    12 13 JENNIFER HUDSON No One Gonna Love Yo… 951 931 20 6.148

    Rhythmic
    14 13 TYGA Far Away f/Chris Ric… 2454 2807 -353 12.154

    Christian AC
    23 20 MANDISA Waiting For Tomorrow 398 328 70 1.525

    Canada-CHR/Pop
    39 37 KELLY CLARKSON Mr. Know It All 295 267 28 1.718

    Canada-HAC (1-49, 52)
    8 7 KELLY CLARKSON Mr. Know It All 672 606 66 3.83

    Canada-Main AC
    18 15 KELLY CLARKSON Mr. Know It All 174 112 62 1.461

    Canada-Country
    8 18 BRAD PAISLEY/CARRIE UNDERWOOD Remind Me 458 599 -141 1.39

  • Elliegrll

    lol he’s captain obvious, ain’t he? It’s all about the songs. It always makes me giggle when idol fans assume people will buy the music just because a contestant is on a cover of a magazine or books a spot on late night show. Nope, if the songs are sh*tty, you can be on TV non-stop and on all the magazine covers there exist and the music won’t sell well. Just ask JHud.

    I think that many AI fans think that people will buy the music just because someone was on AI. It’s true that most hardcore fans will do this, initially, but that’s not a good foundation for a career. The people who do this will eventually move on, because they don’t listen to the radio stations, read the magazines, or watch the shows that their favorite alum will appear on. They’ll also eventually find a new idol alum to fawn over.

    This is why A&R is so important, and why idols need to work on defining who they are, instead of trying to appeal to a very diverse idol fanbase.

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  • Tess

    This is why A&R is so important, and why idols need to work on defining who they are, instead of trying to appeal to a very diverse idol fanbase.

    This is why I think that Scotty, like Carrie, Kelly and Daughtry, will do well post idol. All 4 of these people represented themselves exactly as they are on Idol…even when they had to sing out of genre material.

    Who would buy Scotty’s or Carrie’s albums if they didn’t (even subconsciously) like country music…what would be the point. Going in you know exactly who the artist is and what their sound is….absolutely no surprises.

    And I think the last two cycles of AI releases (prior to this year) have proven, without a doubt, that idol viewers no longer will just buy a CD as a souvenir. Kris, Crystal and Lee undoubtedly showed that they were selling to people who liked what they had to sell…if it was the AI faithful doing the buying they would all have had the “traditional” opening weeks.

  • Kirsten

    lol he’s captain obvious, ain’t he? It’s all about the songs.

    LOL. I agree. It seems obvious, so it’s strange how often they whiff that part of the album.

    I think sometimes, it is a matter of making a quick buck off of an Idol. Either they are in a genre that is nearly impossible to market (Taylor) or they are just too argumentative to take advice (no comment). So, slap something together, rake in the money off the souvenir buyers and drop ‘em.

    Clive once said that there were two kinds of artists at RCA. Commercial artists and Artists. He loved the Artists (like Alicia Keys), but realized the Commercial artists helped to pay the bills. He considered Idols Commercial artists and didn’t think it was worth much time to nurture them artistically. I think this framed how Sony interacted with Idols. It will be interesting to see how UMG sees it.

  • Pam

    i-tunes

    Singles
    9. Fix You (Glee Cast Version) – Glee Cast
    15. Crawling Back to You – Daughtry
    21. Run the World (Girls) [Glee Cast Version] – Glee Cast
    24. Mr. Know It All – Kelly Clarkson
    28. Out Here On My Own (Glee Cast Version) – Glee Cast
    37. Spotlight (Glee Cast Version) – Glee Cast
    44. I Love You This Big – Scotty McCreery
    48. Remind Me (Duet with Carrie Underwood) – Brad Paisley
    52. It’s All Over (Glee Cast Version) – Glee Cast
    66. Cool (Glee Cast Version) – Glee Cast
    80. The Trouble With Girls – Scotty McCreery
    107. Out of Summertime – Scotty McCreery
    112. Somewhere (Glee Cast Version) – Glee Cast
    118. Happy – Leona Lewis
    142. Don’t You Wanna Stay (with Kelly Clarkson) – Jason Aldean
    147. Far Away (feat. Chris Richardson) – Tyga
    199. Water Tower Town – Scotty McCreery
    228. Tough – Kellie Pickler
    231. Drown In You – Daughtry
    232. You Make That Look Good – Scotty McCreery
    244. Clear As Day – Scotty McCreery
    260. Something’s Coming (Glee Cast Version) – Glee Cast
    261. It’s Not Unusual (Glee Cast Version) – Glee Cast
    312. Like My Mother Does (American Idol Performance) – Lauren Alaina
    350. Undo It – Carrie Underwood
    352. Walk in the Country – Scotty McCreery
    356. You Can’t Stop the Beat (Glee Cast Version) – Glee Cast
    359. Better Than That – Scotty McCreery
    392. Dirty Dishes – Scotty McCreery
    441. Spotlight – Jennifer Hudson
    486. Because of You – Kelly Clarkson
    495. Back On the Ground – Scotty McCreery
    508. We Got the Beat (Glee Cast Version) – Glee Cast
    515. Write My Number On Your Hand – Scotty McCreery
    543. That Old King James – Scotty McCreery
    565. Before He Cheats – Carrie Underwood
    586. Somewhere Only We Know – The Sing-Off Contestants
    601. Bleeding Love – Leona Lewis
    671. Whataya Want from Me – Adam Lambert
    677. Anything Goes / Anything You Can Do (Glee Cast Version) – Glee Cast
    774. I’m the Greatest Star (Glee Cast Version) – Glee Cast
    793. Ding Dong the Witch Is Dead (Glee Cast Version) – Glee Cast
    927. Better In Time – Leona Lewis
    995. Stronger – Mandisa

    Albums
    1. Clear As Day – Scotty McCreery
    58. The Sing-Off – Season 3: Episode 3 – Current Hits & ’60s Favorites – Various Artists
    384. Glee: The Music Presents The Warblers – Glee Cast
    423. Glee: The Music, Vol. 6 – Glee Cast
    435. American Idol Season 10: Scotty McCreery – Scotty McCreery
    495. Glee: The Music, Vol. 5 – Glee Cast
    559. Daughtry – Daughtry
    564. Dream With Me – Jackie Evancho
    640. What If We Were Real – Mandisa
    655. Glee: The Music, Vol. 2 – Glee Cast
    659. Leave This Town (Bonus Track Version) – Daughtry
    776. Echo (Deluxe Version) – Leona Lewis
    802. Glee: The Music – The Christmas Album – Glee Cast
    803. Glee: The Music, Vol. 3 – Showstoppers (Deluxe Edition) – Glee Cast
    899. I Remember Me – Jennifer Hudson
    917. Hold On ‘Til the Night – Greyson Chance
    942. Play On – Carrie Underwood
    960. Some Hearts – Carrie Underwood

  • eyelinerandcigarettes

    It still amazes me that all of Scotty’s songs are charting. Is this a normal thing for idol debut albums?

  • windmills

    Kirsten: Clive once said that there were two kinds of artists at RCA. Commercial artists and Artists. He loved the Artists (like Alicia Keys), but realized the Commercial artists helped to pay the bills. He considered Idols Commercial artists and didn’t think it was worth much time to nurture them artistically. I think this framed how Sony interacted with Idols. It will be interesting to see how UMG sees it.

    I don’t think UMG sees it much differently. There may be more talk about defining artistry but at the end of the day I think their idea of artistry as it relates to debuting Idols is defining a mainstream market niche. The best case scenario with these debut albums is for that niche to match who the Idol is naturally. Then if the 1st album does well they’ll give them more room to explore if they want to do that though they’ll still be tied to having a commercial sound.

    I’m not going to be ready to compare the job Universal’s doing to the job Sony’s doing until I hear the Pia and Haley albums and probably not even then. I feel like we need a couple years of albums from the pop side of Universal to see how they handle things compared to Sony because IMO A&R on the Nashville side of both labels works differently. IMO though the actual quality and market fit of the Idol Nashville albums has varied, the Nashville labels have done a better job of creating albums true to who the Idols are.

    One other point, related to album sales. I saw a few of the usual comments yesterday about Scotty being lucky to be in one of the few genres where people buy albums anymore and the usual country sells stuff. But, did anybody see the projection for the other big country release this week, Rodney Atkins? He just had 2 week #1 song called Take A Back Road and he’s predicted to sell 20-25k 1st week. This guy’s last album went platinum.

    I’m not saying Scotty’s 1st week sales are amazing because they’re not, they’re simply good. And, Rodney Atkins’s sales are unusually bad. But they’re also a sign that no, country doesn’t necessarily sell.

  • fuzzywuzzy

    Who would buy Scotty’s or Carrie’s albums if they didn’t (even subconsciously) like country music…what would be the point. Going in you know exactly who the artist is and what their sound is….absolutely no surprises.

    I think that with Scotty and some other Idols, they also sell to Idol fans who liked their public persona/images, rather than being fans of their music. It doesn’t always happen, but with certain Idols, they manage to sell to people for reasons other than the music that they produce. For example, Scotty is selling to some who like his “boy-next door, apple-pie, all-American, devout Christian” image and those who have Tourettes or Aspergers or have family members who have these conditions will buy James’ CD regardless of the music. This kind of support and it’s level depends on the kind of image and backstory that the Idol has and how that was exposed/promoted on Idol and afterwards.

  • fuzzywuzzy

    Clive once said that there were two kinds of artists at RCA. Commercial artists and Artists. He loved the Artists (like Alicia Keys), but realized the Commercial artists helped to pay the bills. He considered Idols Commercial artists and didn’t think it was worth much time to nurture them artistically. I think this framed how Sony interacted with Idols. It will be interesting to see how UMG sees it.

    I’m pretty cynical when it comes to Idols and how they are viewed/treated by their labels (any labels). The nature of the show is all focused on making a quick buck from any contestants who have managed to attract a fanbase large enough to make a profit. If the Idol manages to transition from Idol to the larger public, then it’s all gravy, but not expected at all.

  • Kitwana

    “The best Idol results come from doing great A&R. The TV platform provides amazing coverage, but if you don’t have the right songs, it doesn’t really mean a whole hell of a lot, because we’ve seen American Idol winners come and go in a heartbeat. And we’ve seen them have great records, like Kelly Clarkson, starting with ‘Since U Been Gone.’ Or on the X Factor side, Leona Lewis, where ‘Bleeding Love’ gave her a double-platinum debut album; if she didn’t have those songs, her notoriety would have probably gone away. Those where the A&R wasn’t the best, or they weren’t willing to be A&R’d, they didn’t last.”

    He left out some important points. First, the label is always right when it comes to A&R even when it is so often wrong. Second, those artists who disagree with the label’s A&R will receive no support from the label and will actually see their work actively undermined until the artist agrees to go back to doing the music the label wants. See Kelly Clarkson and Clive Davis and My December. Third, labels are evil and will always take credit for success and blame the artist for failures. I think that’s all. Can someone ask Peter Edge what he thinks of that?

  • Elliegrll

    Can someone ask Peter Edge what he thinks of that?

    He barely touches on it, but in the last sentence he mentions that some idols haven’t always had the best A&R. It’s my hope that he feels this way about Kris. For most people, I think it’s hard to understand why “The Truth” was released after LLWD. Fenster followed up a song that saw top ten success on three formats with one that would obviously only get airplay on one. It was just a stupid move.

  • Pam

    CHR/Pop (yesterday)
    51 53 TYGA Far Away f/Chris Richardson 412 369 43 1.635
    56 62 ALDEAN, JASON/KELLY CLARKSON Don’t You Wanna Stay 233 297 -64 1.263
    68 64 DAUGHTRY Crawling Back To You 230 144 86 0.827
    96 92 CLARKSON, KELLY Let Me Down 53 55 -2 0.233
    114 119 SANTANA Photograph f/Chris Daughtry 28 40 -12 0.074
    264 183 LEWIS, LEONA Collide 12 4 8 0.041
    — 230 GLEE CAST Something’s Coming 6 0 6 0.048
    226 240 ALLEN, KRIS Heartless 6 7 -1 0.024

  • Pam

    Mediabase (today)
    KELLY CLARKSON – Mr. Know It All: 45.565 (+ 0.266)
    DAUGHTRY -Crawling Back To You= 10.195 (+0.316)
    LAUREN ALAINA -Like My Mother Does= 3.695 (+0.060)
    SCOTTY MCCREERY -The Trouble With Girls= 2.737 (-0.019)
    CASEY JAMES-Let’s Don’t Call It A Night= 1.488 (+0.043)
    LEONA LEWIS -Collide= 0.073 (+0.006)

  • Pam

    Hot 100
    01 02 13 Adele, Someone Like You
    02 01 15 Maroon 5 Featuring Christina Aguilera, Moves Like Jagger
    21 22 39 Adele, Rolling In The Deep
    25 25 12 Blake Shelton, God Gave Me You
    30 38 04 Kelly Clarkson, Mr. Know It All
    45 43 17 Brad Paisley Duet With Carrie Underwood, Remind Me
    75 :new: 01 Glee Cast, Somewhere
    91 90 09 Adele, Set Fire To The Rain
    98 92 07 Tyga Featuring Chris Richardson, Far Away

  • luly

    2011 U.S. Album Sales Still Strong After Three Quarters
    http://www.billboard.biz/bbbiz/industry/retail/2011-u-s-album-sales-still-strong-after-1005392822.story

    As the year heads into its home stretch, things are looking up for the U.S. music industry – sales are on track to increase over the previous year, something that hasn’t happened since 2004.

  • larc

    luly says:
    2011 U.S. Album Sales Still Strong After Three Quarters
    http://www.billboard.biz/bbbiz/industry/retail/2011-u-s-album-sales-still-strong-after-1005392822.story

    There is other interesting news in that story:

    Where market share is concerned, Universal Music Group has finally pulled away from Sony Music Entertainment, which had been nipping close at its heels for the first six months of 2011. At the end of the nine-month period, UMG’s market share tallied 30.3%, while Sony’s stood at 28.9%. Meanwhile, the Warner Music Group’s market share totaled 18.7% and EMI’s came in at 9%. Independent labels’ market share, as determined by distribution ownership, totaled 12.6%.

  • soverymel

    Where market share is concerned, Universal Music Group has finally pulled away from Sony Music Entertainment, which had been nipping close at its heels for the first six months of 2011. At the end of the nine-month period, UMG’s market share tallied 30.3%, while Sony’s stood at 28.9%.

    A difference of 1.4% is considered pulling away? To me that still seems like heel nipping.

  • chearts77

    HDD posted their weekend chart preview. They have increased Scotty’s prediction:

    American Idol returns to the top of the chart next week as Scotty McCreery delivers the first debut by a winner to land at #1 since Ruben Studdard in 2003. Adele logs another week in the Top 3, bringing her total to 32 weeks. In 33 total weeks of release, 21 has only been out of the Top 3 for one week. Here’s how it looks headed into the weekend:

    *Scotty McCreery (Mercury Nashville/19/Interscope) 170-190k
    Adele (XL/Columbia) 110-120k
    Tony Bennett (Columbia) 70-75k
    Lady Antebellum (Capitol Nashville/EMI) 60-65k
    J Cole (Roc Nation/Columbia) 55-60k
    Lil Wayne (Cash Money/Universal Republic) 55-60k
    *Jack’s Mannequin (Sire) 35-40k
    Blink-182 (Interscope) 35-40k
    *Feist (Universal Republic) 30-35k
    *Rodney Atkins (Curb) 27-30k
    *Mayday Parade (Mayday Parade) 25-28k
    Jay Z & Kanye West (Roc-a-Fella/Roc Nation) 21-24k
    Foster the People (Columbia) 18-21k
    Jason Aldean (Broken Bow) 18-21k
    *New Found Glory (Epitaph) 17-20k
    Brantley Gilbert (Big Machine) 17-20k

  • girlygirl

    HDD has revised Idol album predictions upward before, with mixed results as to accuracy, so it will be interesting to see if this later prediction holds up. But it’s clear that Scotty is going to have some very impressive 1st week numbers, even if they end up below this revised range

  • Pam

    Thanks for the revised HDD update. I was wondering in what direction the revised window for the projection was going to go. I like what I’m seeing. Of course we know that sometimes the number can be a little off in either direction between the final estimate rolls out on Tuesday and the official Soundscan figure that comes out on Wednesday, but so far I like what I’m seeing.

    On that same note, Adele is a selling powerhouse! Just wow.

  • eyelinerandcigarettes

    170-190K? Wow, werk it Scotty!

  • sr4mjc

    oops wrong thread

  • Pam

    BB200
    Week Ending: 10/02/2011
    Weeks Label 2W LW TW Artist Title TW % LW RTD
    On Rank Rank Rank Sales CHG Sales Sales
    32 COL 2 3 3 ADELE 21 117,937 1 116,859 3,773,240
    2 COL 1 4 BENNETT*TONY DUETS II 91,075 -49 178,870 270,392
    48 BBOW 13 13 16 ALDEAN*JASON MY KINDA PARTY 20,609 -11 23,091 1,883,558
    39 COL 25 29 25 ADELE 19 15,135 1 14,915 1,406,727
    12 WAR 33 36 38 SHELTON*BLAKE RED RIVER BLUE 10,705 -5 11,250 336,313
    16 COL 26 33 57 EVANCHO*JACKIE DREAM WITH ME 8,274 -35 12,720 493,595
    19 ARNV 48 63 72 PAISLEY*BRAD THIS IS COUNTRY MUSIC 6,892 -9 7,588 494,592
    16 UME 67 80 88 VARIOUS NOW COUNTRY 4 5,552 -9 6,077 165,765
    2 COL 94 98 BENNETT*TONY DUETS: AMERICAN CLASSIC 5,228 6 4,928 1,728,267
    24 GEFN 138 130 133 AEROSMITH BEST OF AEROSMITH-MILLENNIUM C 4,065 8 3,773 341,261
    47 WAR 137 157 183 SHELTON*BLAKE LOADED: THE BEST OF BLAKE SHEL 2,965 -5 3,132 411,605

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