Idols In Concert – Stats – 09/09/10

That 10,651 number feels weird. On one hand, it would say this was by a fair margin the most attended tour at this venue since Season 5 (which goes against what reviewers at the time of the concert said). On the other hand, a LOT of those tickets have to be $10 specials to get the numbers to come out right.

But I guess those are the official numbers…

Hope these are not duplicates:

8/26/2010 Adam Lambert, Allison Iraheta
Roanoke Performing Arts Theatre, Roanoke, VA
Outback Concerts
1,987 / 2,000 99%
$37.75 – $0
$71,574

8/20/2010 Adam Lambert Orianthi, Allison Iraheta
South Shore Music Circus, Cohasset, MA
(In-House Promotion) / Vincent Longo
2,250 / 2,250 100%
$28.50 – $45.50
$71,580

8/19/2010 Adam Lambert, Orianthi, Allison Iraheta
Cape Cod Melody Tent, Hyannis, MA
(In-House Promotion) / Vincent Longo
2,250 / 2,250 100%
$28.50 – $45.50
$70,710

8/27/2010 “American Idols Live”
Target Center, Minneapolis, MN
Live Nation
3,293 / 4,076 81%
$29 – $68.50
$191,841

8/20/2010 “American Idols Live”
KeyArena At Seattle Center, Seattle, WA
Live Nation
5,181 / 6,456 80%
$38.50 – $68.50
$213,840

8/12/2010 Clay Aiken / Ruben Studdard
Showroom At Turning Stone Casino Resort, Verona, NY
(In-House Promotion)
648 / 792 82%
$60 – $75
$44,290

According to Channel WSYR-TV Syracuse NY, Katharine McPhee will be paid $22,500 to play the Chevy Court (free) stage at The Great New York State Fair this year. Kat was runner-up to Taylor Hicks during the 5th Season of American Idol in 2006

08/24/2005 Wed
AI1-Kelly Clarkson / Graham Colton Band
Admission: $38.50. BoxOffice: $186,995.
Sold: 4,857 of 4,857 – 100%

Yesterday I bought a ticket to Adam Lambert concert in Munich: 21,80 Euros! (less than 30 dollars) That’s cheap. Also I have heard that Adam’s UK tickers are already selling for over three times their face value.

My personal opinion is that the tickets are sold too cheap. I know, a crazy opinion, but cheap tickets only work with venues that are able to fit all the people wanting in…

Missed out on the pre-sale for London yesterday (very stressful)! However, got 4 tickets last night using O2 priority (can buy tickets up to 48 hours prior to general sale)which was so stress-free . Highly recommend this if you are on an O2 tariff.

Tickets were only £17 (less fees) equivalent to approx $25.50. So cheap! As Emmuzka has said – probably too cheap.

London concert was advertised in the Metro newspaper this morning. Haven’t seen a copy yet.

Kinda shocked at that stat for Maroon 5. Less than half and it’s not that big of a venue.

POP
21 18 ADAM LAMBERT If I Had You 4194 3711 483 21.015
+97 Spins
+44 Bullet
+0.450 AI

#34 iTunes

HAC
22 21 ADAM LAMBERT If I Had You 1087 1032 55 5.488
-10 Spins
-46 Bullet
+0.017 AI

The first three Adam dates aren’t duplicates, the others were posted last week. Maybe Kirsten can add them to the header? They are from Idol Stages, so Pollstar numbers.

I dispute that 47% figure for Kris and Maroon 5 at Mud Island. I was there and the place looked full to me. This was just over the Mississippi and a ton of folks from AR came to see Kris, much less the Maroon 5 fans.

I dispute that 47% figure for Kris and Maroon 5 at Mud Island. I was there and the place looked full to me.

The venues themselves report the numbers. Why would they underreport one of their own shows?

With the cost to move a band, dancers and equipment around internationally, I am surprised Adam isn’t charging more. They must be making some money or they wouldn’t do it, but he may be seeing it as a ‘spend money to make money’ opportunity for promo as well. Create some demand, get some buzz about the live show and maybe next time the venue size will be bigger. Even if he doesn’t profit as much the first go around.

Archie’s got an itunes pre-order picture on the front page!

With the cost to move a band, dancers and equipment around internationally, I am surprised Adam isn’t charging more. They must be making some money or they wouldn’t do it, but he may be seeing it as a ’spend money to make money’ opportunity for promo as well. Create some demand, get some buzz about the live show and maybe next time the venue size will be bigger. Even if he doesn’t profit as much the first go around.

Speaking of tour costs.. after listening to that Kidd (whatever) interview I had no idea that artists front their own money to tour. Wowwzer. Puts a whole new perspective on why some artists, in and out of idol, decide to open vs. headline.

Niiiiiiice numbers for Adam! I think his ticket prices are way too cheap for his International concerts but there must be a reason.
emmuzka:Are you in Germany then? How well known is Adam there besides for WWFM?

Those Target Center stats are strange. They must not be counting all seats as available. The capacity at Target Center for concerts is 13,000-25,000. Maybe Live Nation has the option to purchase the upper deck and make tickets available, and they did not?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Target_Center

The venues themselves report the numbers.

I believe it is the promoters who report the numbers. Anybody know for sure?

Speaking of tour costs.. after listening to that Kidd (whatever) interview I had no idea that artists front their own money to tour.

Some get tour support money from their label. Some will augment that money by using some of their own money. Some get no tour support at all from the label.

What exactly did Adam say?

Those Target Center stats are strange. They must not be counting all seats as available. The capacity at Target Center for concerts is 13,000-25,000. Maybe Live Nation has the option to purchase the upper deck and make tickets available, and they did not?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Target_Center

And the Key Arena in Seattle has a seating capacity of 17,000. So AI is trying to front that they are selling 80% of arenas when in fact they are only reserving half the arena, lol?

ICU being sneaky AI.

Speaking of tour costs.. after listening to that Kidd (whatever) interview I had no idea that artists front their own money to tour.

I recall the interviewer throwing out a comment about that but I don’t think Adam responded to it one way or another so I don’t think we know anything about his specific situation.

He didn’t say he was paying all the tour costs. Kidd kraddick said something about touring can be expensive and asked Adam how his finances were and Adam said what he usually says and said he was doing alright.

Kidd kraddick said something about touring can be expensive and asked Adam how his finances were and Adam said what he usually says and said he was doing alright.

LOL. He should have said “I’m doing okay, but I won’t say no to you buying me lunch” or “I’m alright, and you?” or “I’m doing great. Are you trolling for a job?”

Such nosey-parker questions.

pug, what is O2 service? I want to buy tickets for Adam’s London concert, but have no idea how to do it
and don’t have money to pay a triple price either….. anybody has any useful hints?

That 10,651 number feels weird. On one hand, it would say this was by a fair margin the most attended tour at this venue since Season 5 (which goes against what reviewers at the time of the concert said). On the other hand, a LOT of those tickets have to be $10 specials to get the numbers to come out right.

There were definitely a lot of cheap tickets. At 10,651, Idol actually had better attendance at Auburn Hills than they did last summer with 9,799. But they grossed only $214,934 this year for an average of $20.18 per ticket. They took in $605,503 last summer for an average of $61.79 per ticket.

I dispute that 47% figure for Kris and Maroon 5 at Mud Island. I was there and the place looked full to me.

Just a thought to explain this — They gave away free tickets to the concert on the day of the show at at least one Memphis college — so that might explain the difference between the appearance of the crowd and the tickets sold.

aa618892: I live in Finland, but my sister lives in Germany. This was a great reason to visit her

In Germany you can hear WWFM almost everywhere, but when my sis tried to buy the physical CD (album not the single), she couldn’t find it anywhere! The record stores have practically disappeared and super markets and bookstores have downscaled their sections of physical CDs with hard hand. Most of them didn’t carry the CD and she had to buy one when she visited Finland!

The venues themselves report the numbers.

I believe it is the promoters who report the numbers. Anybody know for sure?

Pollstar gets its concert receipts information primarily from promoters who are producing concerts. In many cases, the promoter and the venue are the same company.

This was just over the Mississippi and a ton of folks from AR came to see Kris, much less the Maroon 5 fans.

Gee that makes those numbers seem even worse! I see Q3 mentioned about the free tickets. I know the Maroon 5 show in Raleigh had lots of radio promotion about special ticket deals so I guessed they were having trouble selling here as well although I haven’t seen any numbers yet.

pug, what is O2 service? I want to buy tickets for Adam’s London concert, but have no idea how to do it
and don’t have money to pay a triple price either….. anybody has any useful hints?

If you have a mobile phone using the provider O2 you can get priority tickets for any concert held at one of their venues before the tickets go on general sale. I would offer to get you some but I’m already at the limit of 4 tickets (I’m taking 3 people).

emmuzka: Thanks for the info. Are you going to the Finland show also on 11/06?

He should have said “I’m doing okay, but I won’t say no to you buying me lunch” or “I’m alright, and you?” or “I’m doing great. Are you trolling for a job?”

LOL!

I actually listened to the interview because I’m interested in the finances of touring, Kidd asked Adam if he was getting paid for his day off and Adam said no and in fact he was the one paying for “all the shows.” At least that’s what I heard in the first minute of Pt. ! of the interview. Kraddick is so boring I gave up after another minute. I have no idea what that means so if he clarified it later I wouldn’t know. I always thought labels gave at least some support to their touring artists.

The tweets from that Memphis concert made it sound like the place was easily more than 47% full, but they probably don’t count the tickets they give away for free, so that could explain the discrepancy.

Have to say I’m surprised Maroon 5 couldn’t draw more than that – I always thought they were pretty popular.

As for the AI tour, I’ve read that because of the poor sales, a lot of arenas ended up blocking out large sections of seats (usually in the upper sections), so the capacity ended up being way lower than what it might be normally at the venue

cary:
09/09/2010 at 10:22 am
This was just over the Mississippi and a ton of folks from AR came to see Kris, much less the Maroon 5 fans.

Gee that makes those numbers seem even worse! I see Q3 mentioned about the free tickets. I know the Maroon 5 show in Raleigh had lots of radio promotion about special ticket deals so I guessed they were having trouble selling here as well although I haven’t seen any numbers yet.

I see things haven’t changed much at MJ’s!!

Have to say I’m surprised Maroon 5 couldn’t draw more than that – I always thought they were pretty popular.

They were popular, 5, 6 years ago. Even John Mayer opened for them at one time when they were playing 15k arenas. Now Mayer moved up playing that size venue. Maybe Maroon 5 can open for him now, lol. If Maroon5′s new album becomes hit again, maybe they’ll gain back some of the fans. But I’m not optimistic, even though their single gets a lot of radioplay, the sale is not really that spectacular.

Taylor Swift passed Adam on the Hot AC chart. She’ll probably pass Kris today or tomorrow, too…(I can’t stand her new song, BTW, but that’s just me…)

Chris D should be Top 5 for the next published chart. He’s only 8 spins behind Sara Bareilles (and w/ a bigger bullet & AI) and John Mayer, who is at #4 right now, is losing spins in a hurry

HOT AC
7 6 DAUGHTRY September 3395 3229 166 18.034

18 19 KRIS ALLEN The Truth f/Pat M… 1307 1504 -197 3.268
26 20 TAYLOR SWIFT Mine 1112 853 259 7.441
22 21 ADAM LAMBERT If I Had You 1087 1032 55 5.488

39 41 CARRIE UNDERWOOD Undo It 316 336 -20 2.018

Gee that makes those numbers seem even worse! I see Q3 mentioned about the free tickets.

Any reports of them actually paying people to see the show?

And the Key Arena in Seattle has a seating capacity of 17,000. So AI is trying to front that they are selling 80% of arenas when in fact they are only reserving half the arena, lol?

ICU being sneaky AI.

Not really. It’s common practice that the venues have different seating layout accommodating different size of concert. The box office report is based on the actual number of tickets put on sale not the full capacity of the venue.

He didn’t say he was paying all the tour costs. Kidd kraddick said something about touring can be expensive and asked Adam how his finances were and Adam said what he usually says and said he was doing alright.

Did Adam talk more about the tour finances after his initial comment about paying for “all the shows?” Kris Kraddick is such a lame interviewer I couldn’t bother to listen to more than a few minutes.

POP (below #50)

49 52 DAVID ARCHULETA Something ‘Bout Love 353 351 2 0.875
= spins
– 1 bullet
-.009 AI
59 61 KRIS ALLEN The Truth f/Pat Monahan 171 185 -14 0.704
– 6 spins
– 8 bullet
-.036 AI
117 99 KRIS ALLEN Heartless 54 34 20 0.468
130 175 CARRIE UNDERWOOD Undo It 13 28 -15 0.084
167 231 ALLISON IRAHETA Don’t Waste The Pretty 7 14 -7 0.002

Just a random note. Iwas on yes.com last night, and I saw WSTR (Atlanta) had spun Heartless — that song is #5 on the station’s playlist (or it was at the time of that spin)! LOL

Thanks for the numbers, girlygirl. I’ve been too busy to keep up with much lately, but I’m surprised Kris’s The Truth is doing better than Adam’s If I Had You. Well, I’m not exactly ~surprised (because I heard IIHY in Dollar General last week and didn’t care for it), but I just didn’t know that Kris was on top.

iTunes

#32 – IIHY
#79 – Undo It
#81 – September
#164 – WWFM
#428 – TT
#447 – LLWD
#538 – Bittersweet
#808 – Mama’s Song
#912 – SBL

Kellie’s song (MMFILA) has fallen out of the Top 1000. Does she have another single scheduled for release anytime soon?

ALBUMS

#34 – Play On
#36 – Back to Me
#191/#948 – Leave This Town
#399/#624 – FYE
#821 – Kris Allen
#1016 – Leave This Town: The B-Sides EP

Shopgirl

It isn’t. IIHY is easily outselling TT. And TT never cracked the Top 50 of the Pop chart, while IIHY is in the Top 20 in that format.

shopgirl:
09/09/2010 at 12:46 pm
Thanks for the numbers, girlygirl. I’ve been too busy to keep up with much lately, but I’m surprised Kris’s The Truth is doing better than Adam’s If I Had You. Well, I’m not exactly ~surprised (because I heard IIHY in Dollar General last week and didn’t care for it), but I just didn’t know that Kris was on top.

You are right apparently things haven’t changed. LOL

No worries.. Everyone has their own path, right?

Any news on Archie’s second single? It seems SBL is dead.

Just a random note. Iwas on yes.com last night, and I saw WSTR (Atlanta) had spun Heartless — that song is #5 on the station’s playlist (or it was at the time of that spin)! LOL

the PD of WSTR must have a major hard-on for Kris. he’s playing kris like KUDD is playing Archie. LOL

You are right apparently things haven’t changed. LOL

No worries.. Everyone has their own path, right?

Haha, so true. Shaking my head right now.

Any news on Archie’s second single? It seems SBL is dead.

Well that was fast, has it even had much promotion? I thought it was as good a pop song as any.

Well that was fast, has it even had much promotion? I thought it was as good a pop song as any.

IDK whats up.. except that Jive needs to be taken behind the wood shed…

SBL is a better Pop song than Elevator. It will be interesting to see what Jive does, if they drop another song before the album release. I did see that Archie has an itunes ad up on the front page for his pre-order.

IDK whats up.. except that Jive needs to be taken behind the wood shed…

I agree, between Kris, Archie and Allison, they are due a good whipping!

sr4mjc:
09/09/2010 at 1:26 pm
SBL is a better Pop song than Elevator. It will be interesting to see what Jive does, if they drop another song before the album release. I did see that Archie has an itunes ad up on the front page for his pre-order.

I just listened to Elevator. I thought SBL was bad, LOL.

I hear Archie’s song a lot (but then I live in Salt Lake). I’m just surprised that the same effort that was done for the ‘Crush’ roll-out hasn’t materialized for ‘SBL’. I haven’t seen the video advertised or played much and I haven’t seen much internet activity for the song, either.

I only hear about Archie when he is doing “charity” stuff…career stuff seems to take a back seat to that. But apparently that is how Archie likes it so it is all good.

Girlygirl, you gave the spin, bullet and AI differences for pop below 50. Can you give those for HAC top 50? I’m at work and can’t do it…

What did happen to Archie’s SBL video on vh1 and mtv? Jim said a month ago that they had it, was just in editing. Did Jive pull it??

Just a comment from a neutral observer re TT and IIHY. IHHY only went for adds on HAC only a few weeks ago and is on it’s way up, while TT went for adds in early May and is on its way down. So I would say that IIHY is in a better position on HAC that TT.

After the slow starts, but eventual triumph of LLWD and IIHY (to a lesser degree –it’s not as successful as LLWD), I don’t like counting songs “out” so early, but SBL doesn’t seem to be doing well. It isn’t having a slow progress, but progress nonetheless. It seems to be having a slow, steady slide down, with no adds, additional adds or spincounts going on. So yeah, while I don’t like to count songs out so early…yeah, not looking good.

So will Jive cut it’s losses and just move on to the next single? Like RCA wisely did with FYE to WWFM? And I haven’t heard Elevator yet, so no idea if it can succeed. Though who knows what will work or not, these days?

AllenTX:
09/09/2010 at 1:40 pm
I just listened to Elevator. I thought SBL was bad, LOL.

I thought SBL was dated and blah, but then I heard Elevator and thought this is a ghastly song. I can’t believe either song is actually going on his album or become one of his singles. He can surely do better than SBL and Elevator.

girlygirl: Kellie’s song (MMFILA) has fallen out of the Top 1000. Does she have another single scheduled for release anytime soon?

There haven’t been any announcements but it’s safe to say Kellie’s next single will be the lead single off her 3rd album. That’s all TBA because Kellie’s been recording and I don’t think she’s done yet.

On the pulse board, they are saying that Elevator is the new single. The producer of the track tweeted he was putting finishing touches on it. I think its a quirky song, SBL seemed like a better fit for pop, but quirky seems to work these days, so I wish him luck.

bigaifan:
09/09/2010 at 1:31 pm
So far, the difference,in percentage, of how much better IIHY is doing over TT is as much as the difference between Adam’s CD and Kris’ CD sales — it is no contest!

We’re having a contest? Goody! What prizes are up for grabs? I want a cotton candy machine!

Sony Music Global is tweeting Cook’s vlog, that’s progress, lol!

CindyM

someone posted the spins, bullet and AI numbers for Adam. Here is Kris’s (I don’t have Daughtry’s numbers from yesterday, so can’t do the spins, bullet and AI changes for his song)

The Truth

-51 spins
-34 bullet
-.164 AI

water under the bridge, spilt milk, and all that, but I have to wonder if TT would have done better if Kris got to perform the song on the talk shows — like Fantasia and Daughtry have been scheduled to do with their latest singles…

Unfortunately I think they just picked the wrong song. Jive isn’t impressing me much these days.

LaRue – LOL

As far a Archie goes. Ugh. I have to be honest as a non-invested S7 watcher both of these songs are missing the mark and are not up to par with his talent. I’m not sure what is off. Both songs seem lightweight. Now there are many songs with simplistic lyrics, so maybe it is the arrangement and the production that isn’t working for me.

Thanks Girly!! Someone at pulse had said that spins were down for a lot of artists, was wondering if it had affected Daughtry. Sure didn’t affect Swifty lol.

44 37 DAUGHTRY September 821 609 212 2.838

+42 Spins
+16 Bullet
+0.170 Audience

water under the bridge, spilt milk, and all that, but I have to wonder if TT would have done better if Kris got to perform the song on the talk shows — like Fantasia and Daughtry have been scheduled to do with their latest singles…

He did sing it on the American Idol finale in front of 200 million people.

starstruck2000:
people.
09/09/2010 at 2:50 pm
He did sing it on the American Idol finale in front of 200 million

I think you meant 20 million. Either way TT wasn’t a good pop song, especially for summer. Plus his performance on Idol was very lackluster.

I liked TT but lots of Kris fans thought it was the wrong choice

Allison got Max Martin to do her tracks but I’m guessing Archie didn’t on his new album. You’d think after his first album generated over 700K in sales and a single that sold 2 million, he’d get more support. Maybe Jive doesn’t really think he fits on the current Pop scene ( I sorta agree). I think his album could do OK depending on how much of the fan base is still there. My guess is Jive is going for the quick buck here.

shopgirl:
09/09/2010 at 12:46 pm
Thanks for the numbers, girlygirl. I’ve been too busy to keep up with much lately, but I’m surprised Kris’s The Truth is doing better than Adam’s If I Had You. Well, I’m not exactly ~surprised (because I heard IIHY in Dollar General last week and didn’t care for it), but I just didn’t know that Kris was on top.

Overall I think and all Kris’s music is Adult Contemporary (AC/HAC) friendly, but if you look at the ranking TT at 19 and IIHY at 21 and then look at ai (audience impressions/people hearing the song)
TT is at 3.2 mil & IIHY is at 5.4 mil so even though TT is ranking higher on HAC, presently, IIHY is heard by more people. Probably due to the kind of stations playing each and the frequency of their spins.

POP/Top 40 -ranking and ai, it’s not even close

itunes sales ranking, not even close –

more people hear it, more people buy it

Yes, Top 40 radio has a much, much bigger audience than HAC. So even a high ranking song on HAC doesn’t get near the same audience as one on Top 40. In general, the top 10 songs on the Pop chart are also the top 10 songs on iTunes.

To give you an idea of what Top 40 can do, Teenage Dreams sold 221K downloads last week and that was down from the week before.

Yes, Top 40 radio has a much, much bigger audience than HAC. So even a high ranking song on HAC doesn’t get near the same audience as one on Top 40. In general, the top 10 songs on the Pop chart are also the top 10 songs on iTunes.

To give you an idea of what Top 40 can do, Teenage Dreams sold 221K downloads last week and that was down from the week before

Anyone know how much the #1 and #2 HAC songs- If It’s Love and Misery, sold last week in comparison?

Studio57

You might be able to find sales for those songs by going on their respective threads on the Pulse board.

I can tell you that Misery is currently #28 on iTunes, while If It’s Love is at #39

Misery is also #23 on the current BB Digital Songs chart, while If It’s Love is not ranked in the Top 40 (Adam’s IIHY is #34 on this chart)

So I would guess that Misery sold slightly more copies than IIHY last week while If It’s Love sold slightly less

starstruck2000

yes, but they basically rushed him on and off stage. In comparison, Ryan talked to David Cook for several minutes after his performance on the S8 finale.

My point was, however, that Kris has not performed the single on any of the major talk shows — while Fantasia, Daughtry and Archie have all gotten the opportunity to do so with their current singles. Why didn’t they book Kris on Ellen or Letterman or soemwhere to sing? TT?

Maybe it wouldn’t have helped the song’s sales even if he had gone on one (or more) of these shows. But it would have been nie if he had at least been affored the chance.

But as I say, water udner the bridge. I just hope he gets some other t.v. promotional spots when his next single gets released (whether that’s a 3rd sogn off this album or ot until the 121st single off his next album)

It may have helped sales.

But Daughtry’s single was already in the Top 200 when they performed it on the Today Show. That performance pushed it up 30 spots on Itunes but spins on HAC and the video had already had it close to the Top 100.

So I would guess that Misery sold slightly more copies than IIHY last week while If It’s Love sold slightly less

That would make sense, because the top of the HAC chart usually has about as many spins/AI as somewhere in the middle of the top 40 on CHR, so one would expect sales in similar ranges.

Misery isn’t selling because of its HAC airplay alone — it is selling because of its Top 40 airplay….

#9 on Pop chart
12 9 MAROON 5 Misery Spins 6938 6493 +445 AI 32.544

#2 on HAC
3 2 MAROON 5 Misery Spins 4200 4066 +134 AI 21.143

Regarding the comparison between TT and IIHY —

TT
Pop 119 100 KRIS ALLEN Heartless Spins 55 33 +22 AI = 0.474
HAC 18 19 KRIS ALLEN The Truth f/Pat Mona… Spins 1307 1504 -197 AI = 3.268

IIHY
Pop 21 18 ADAM LAMBERT If I Had You 4194 3711 +483 AI = 21.015
HAC 22 21 ADAM LAMBERT If I Had You Spins 1087 1032 +55 AI = 5.488

In the past 7 days 3.7 million people heard TT; 26.5 million people heard IIHY.

And IIHY is headed up on both Pop and HAC charts, TT has peaked on HAC and is only being played by 5 Monitored Top 40 stations in the past 7 days.

IIHY was played on 138 or the 144 monitored Top 40 stations in the past 7 days and is on the playlist of 89.6% (129) of the 144 monitored Top 40 stations. Only two big gaps left are LA (KIIS) and Denver.

My point was, however, that Kris has not performed the single on any of the major talk shows — while Fantasia, Daughtry and Archie have all gotten the opportunity to do so with their current singles. Why didn’t they book Kris on Ellen or Letterman or soemwhere to sing? TT?

It isn’t easy to get booked on Leno or Ellen or any TV show. You need to be newsworthy and the producers need to believe you will drive ratings.

Kris had the Idol finale showcase. That is the biggest TV event for a pop song promo. If TT was going to sell, it would have gotten a real bump from Idol — and it didn’t.

My big question is after TT did nothing after Idol why didn’t Jive move to a different single and why did they waste spend Kris” money on a TT video?

And why did they pick an HAC song for the follow-up to LLWD? Kris had a Pop hit, they should have followed with a Pop single.

Regarding the comparison between TT and IIHY —

And we need to post an elaborate comparison of the two songs because…???? Honestly, it’s unnecessary and just adds fuel to the fan wars.

I think the information presented by Q3 is interesting, it’s based on numbers and facts not opinion and therefore shouldn’t be seen as being biased. For those of us who are not versed on how songs rise and fall because of airplay etc. I think this information is informative.

I agree, limi, I don’t live in the US and to me all those bullets, spins, etc. mean nothing….. audience impression – even less,

I always enjoy posts that explain these things in statistical terms

My big question is after TT did nothing after Idol why didn’t Jive move to a different single and why did they waste spend Kris” money on a TT video?

I totally agree, and the MV got released so much later after the song got released – it did not help
I think Kris should either change his management or the label, they are doing him no favors…..

of course I had to screw up the quotes…..

TT not being a good second single has nothing to do with how big it’s bump was after idol(and it did get a bump, there is no need to deny that). One performance on TV, especially a short version of a song that was only released to the radio and was performed in the first few minutes of the show and with no talk after that was not going to determine if a song will do well or nor. TT was a bad choice for a second single because it’s not radio friendly enough(and radio is they key to selling singles) and was not a summer song.
I hope that just will announce what the third single is before Kris will start doing the tour as an opener for lifehouse. I hope he will do radio shows while touring with them and will promote a new single.

The Truth was not particularly exciting, but I also think that it didn’t fit KA’s “story.”

He was the good-natured, R&B-inflected pop-rock guy (MITM, SWHFTM, and Heartless being some of his bigger AI songs). R&B inflected pop-rock (the Script, Mike Posner) was also exceptionally marketable, so LLWD ended up fitting (the only reason I think it had a slow start was that it was almost too up-tempo for a fall release). But instead of some of the songs that would pick up on the Heartless/LLWD progression, they went with a slower ballad that confused his AI audience and CHR DJs, some of whom kept right on playing Heartless instead.

I hope he gets another chance, or if he wants to move in a new direction for the next album, that they take care to lay that ground properly.