Idols In Concert – Stats – 08/19/10

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Concert stats reported to Billboard this week include Danny, Adam, Jordin and AI itself.

Updated: Kris and Jordin from Pollstar

43 Sugarland, Danny Gokey
Amphitheater at the Wharf; Orange Beach, Ala.
Aug. 6, 2010
$352,344; 8,449 of 9,556 (88%); $56.50, $26.50

50 American Idols Live
American Airlines Center; Dallas, Texas
Aug. 9, 2010
$313,324; 5,518 of 9,938 (56%); $70.50, $50.50, $40.50

76 Adam Lambert
Warfield Theatre; San Francisco, Calif.
July 23, 25, 2010
$161,834; 4,550 of 4,550 (2xsold-out); $43, $35

196 Jordin Sparks
Regency Center Grand Ballroom; San Francisco, Calif.
July 10, 2010
$6,784; 409 of 1,424 (29%); $28, $12.50

Pollstar (from IdolStages):

Barenaked Ladies, Kris Allen, Angel Taylor
Greek Theatre, Los Angeles, CA
July 22, 2010
$92,830; 3,063 of 4,179 (73%); $19-$62.50

Barenaked Ladies, Kris Allen, Angel Taylor
The Regency Ballroom, San Francisco, CA
July 21, 2010
$27,162; 466 of 1050 (44%); $30-$75

 
  • limi

    whoa- go Adam- I hope we will get to see the final numbers of the U.S. and international tour when it is finished. Still waiting for the Los Angeles show date!

  • tripp_ncwy

    Wasn’t Dallas Casey & Tim’s hometown show? Still have Lee & Crystal’s hometown shows coming up and it doesn’t look good.

  • soverymel

    With percentages:

    43 Sugarland, Danny Gokey
    Amphitheater at the Wharf; Orange Beach, Ala.
    Aug. 6, 2010
    $352,344; 8,449 of 9,556; $56.50, $26.50
    88%

    50 American Idols Live
    American Airlines Center; Dallas, Texas
    Aug. 9, 2010
    $313,324; 5,518 of 9,938; $70.50, $50.50, $40.50
    56%

    76 Adam Lambert
    Warfield Theatre; San Francisco, Calif.
    July 23, 25, 2010
    $161,834; 4,550 of 4,550 (2xsold-out); $43, $35
    100%

    196 Jordin Sparks
    Regency Center Grand Ballroom; San Francisco, Calif.
    July 10, 2010
    $6,784; 409 of 1,424; $28, $12.50
    29%

  • Hazehel

    The oddities of the numbers. One of the number of this AI show has been reported before, but I’m just posting this because different sources can give such different numbers, and wonder if anyone can explain the difference –

    08/04/2010 “American Idols Live” Reported by Pollstar
    St. Pete Times Forum, Tampa, FL
    Live Nation
    4,621 / 10,407 44%
    $37.75 – $67.75
    $255,523

    Aug. 4, 2010 American Idols Live Reported by Billboard
    St. Pete Times Forum, Tampa, Fla.
    $255,523
    7,215 / 10,407
    $67.75, $47.75, $37.75
    Live Nation

    Certainly those who attended the show said that more people had attended the show, for example a pic here from Tampa, Fl showed that it was reasonably well-attended, so the lower number is likely wrong. The question is why? Are some numbers not included in that report? If so, what numbers are excluded? Are discount tickets not counted? Is Pollstar less reliable than Billboard? Or do they count differently? This seems to have happened in a few other places as well since those who went to those shows said more people attended than the numbers posted here indicate, so it would be useful to have some idea why this is so. Anyone who has any idea please chime in.

  • renataamelo

    Those were bad numbers for Jordan only 400 people with cheap tickets… but on the other hand great numbers for Adam!

  • certain1

    Hazehel:
    This seems to have happened in a few other places as well since those who went to those shows said more people attended than the numbers posted here indicate, so it would be useful to have some idea why this is so. Anyone who has any idea please chime in.

    I think it is very hard for people on site to judge how many people are there. The brain can only process a limited number of things so then we go back to comaparisons. Honestly how many of us actually know what 10,000 people look like. A prime example of this was the Million Man March in Washington, those numbers wildly varied from a couple of hundred thousand to over a million because at some point people just start guessing. I tend to go with the turnstile count for that reason over the people there.

  • emmuzka

    AI managed to keep their ticket price pretty high in this concert, and probably made a decent revenue because of it, despite the little over 50% turnout. I would be interested to know what the average rent prices are for clubs/small-medium-large halls and arenas. Would give me a some kind of picture of how much an empty seat costs to the promoter in which venue.

    Adam’s strategy of medium sized venues and ticet prices seem to keep strong. They will probably also make a bigger swag sale per concert goer than any of the other concerts.

    Yaiks, Jordin! How could they over estimate the crowd pull so?

  • Hazehel

    I think it is very hard for people on site to judge how many people are there.

    In this case we can be pretty sure that the lower number is wrong. The number and the gross doesn’t quite tally up – the majority of those who attended would have to buy the highest-priced ticket to get that gross. That seems unreasonable when we know that discount prices were offered. Anyway the picture doesn’t suggest a 44% attendance. (FWIW I think it looks ~60% filled when you consider that the nosebleed section might have been closed off.)

  • certain1

    Hazelhel

    As your link is not working I can’t see the picture, but if there looks to be more people there maybe those were from free tickets that were given away. We know the has been commonplace this year with the AI tour and those couldn’t be considered in the boxscore, and really at this point is it going to make much of a difference if it was at 44% or 62% of capacity?
    ETA: Just thought of something else, is it possible that once tickets hit a certain discount rate they no longer figure into the tally. By thhis I mean with album sale once an album’s sale price drops below 50% of the wholesale cost those sales don’t count, maybe the same applies to the concert tickets, and they figure it takes 2 or 3 tickets to equal one person. Didn’t explain that well but you get the point.

  • Jx223

    Danny’s daily update from mediabase:

    37 38 DANNY GOKEY I Will Not Say Goodbye 650 638 12 3.033

  • Jx223

    The number and the gross doesn’t quite tally up – the majority of those who attended would have to buy the highest-priced ticket to get that gross. That seems unreasonable when we know that discount prices were offered

    Maybe the gross might include money from merchandise purchased at the concert. And that’s why the gross might seem higher in proportion to percentage of people that attended the concert?

  • Hazehel

    and really at this point is it going to make much of a difference if it was at 44% or 62% of capacity?

    I’m not at all interested in the specific case of this year’s tour, just interested in why there are differences in the reported numbers. It’s 69% reported in the Billboard number, so more than a third of the attendees have disappeared in the Pollstar’s, that’s a hefty chunk of people. They can’t have given away ~2,600 free tickets anyway, and I don’t think Billboard would include free tickets in their count. (But do they? Does anyone know? I’ve seen for example $1 ticket in boxscores, the only reason I can think of why they would do that is to make sure that those practically free tickets are officially counted.)

    I’ve been looking at lots of tour numbers, just want to know which number I can take seriously.

    Maybe the gross might include money from merchandise purchased at the concert.

    Don’t think so. Merchandise is entirely separate I think.

  • larc

    nvm

  • larc

    I can’t believe Jordin is continuing her tour with the pathetic numbers she’s getting. There are venue fees, people, transportation and other bills to pay. I’d be surprised if she is even breaking even much less making any profit.

  • chebucheby

    I don’t think anyone can say that is Danny’s concert stats when he is an opening act for someone else’s tour. No-one post Allison’s concert stats cos she is just an opening act for Adam’s tour.

  • http://myspace.com/girlgeek mj

    I can’t believe Jordin is continuing her tour with the pathetic numbers she’s getting.

    Jordin’s tour is over. She begins her broadway run with “In The Heights” today.

  • Studio57

    25 23 ADAM LAMBERT If I Had You 3140 2781 359 16.64
    +18 Spins
    -66 Bullet
    +0.226 AI

    #26 iTunes

    ETA:

    HAC
    33 26 ADAM LAMBERT If I Had You 617 471 146 3.274
    +26 Spins
    -3 Bullet
    -0.107 AI

    Under #50 POP:

    60 54 DAUGHTRY September 385 276 109 1.303
    64 59 DAVID ARCHULETA Something ‘Bout Love 285 225 60 0.888
    58 62 KRIS ALLEN The Truth f/Pat Monahan 246 281 -35 0.866
    82 93 ALLISON IRAHETA Don’t Waste The Pretty 61 94 -33 0.128
    95 97 KRIS ALLEN Heartless 57 58 -1 0.523
    138 115 CARRIE UNDERWOOD Undo It 35 28 7 0.188

  • Lucy1234

    43 Sugarland, Danny Gokey
    Amphitheater at the Wharf; Orange Beach, Ala.
    Aug. 6, 2010
    $352,344; 8,449 of 9,556; $56.50, $26.50
    88%

    I have been following the numbers I could get from Sugarland’s tour and seems they pretty much average in the 80% with some a little higher and some lower – I do think they had a couple of sold out shows. The Sugarland tour was a great opportunity for Danny but I would like to see some of the numbers from his solo concerts and also numbers Kris’ concerts. Danny has been getting good turn-out at his shows and I suspect that is why he is headlining his own tour this fall.

  • Hazehel

    is it possible that once tickets hit a certain discount rate they no longer figure into the tally.

    Perhaps Pollstar does that, I don’t know. The $1 tickets I’ve seen in Billboard boxscores indicates that they count everything, maybe Pollstar has a different criteria. Or perhaps someone made a mistake, who knows.

  • emmuzka

    Jordin’s tour is over. She begins her broadway run with “In The Heights” today.

    Sad to see that she went with a whisper and not a bang. Though, that only concerns the numbers. The tour ending concert might have been a great joyoys spectacle. We can’t know without fan accounts.

  • cary

    Barenaked Ladies
    Regency Center Grand Ballroom
    San Francisco, Calif.
    21-Jul-10
    $27,162
    466 /
    1,050
    1 /
    0
    $75, $30
    Goldenvoice/AEG Live

    They don’t list Kris, but this was a date where he opened. This was originally scheduled for the same SF venue as Adam, but you can see why they moved it to the smaller club.

  • Indigobunting

    I don’t think anyone can say that is Danny’s concert stats when he is an opening act for someone else’s tour. No-one post Allison’s concert stats cos she is just an opening act for Adam’s tour.

    I believe there have been stats published for Kris opening for other big acts?

    That is Danny’s tour this spring/summer- opening for Sugarland (with plenty of his own smaller gigs dispersed, which I haven’t seen stats for except estimates by radio stations or fans. So I think it is reasonable to list him with Sugarland since that is the only figures to be had.
    I have only seen one stat for a solo concert at a casino in Mississippi. If I recall 94% with venue of about 1k I think. He’s had a few sold out shows, in Milwaukee and Nashville. And he’s certainly had some shows with lower attendance.

    But if you want to call Adam’s headlining concerts Allison’s concert stats too, no problem on my end.

  • Kirsten

    The question is why? Are some numbers not included in that report? If so, what numbers are excluded? Are discount tickets not counted? Is Pollstar less reliable than Billboard? Or do they count differently? This seems to have happened in a few other places as well since those who went to those shows said more people attended than the numbers posted here indicate, so it would be useful to have some idea why this is so. Anyone who has any idea please chime in.

    Okay, I’m just throwing out something here:

    Is it possible it’s the 4 packs that are throwing off the totals? Some venues (I don’t know which) are offering 4 packs of tickets and perhaps Pollstar counts that as one ticket sold and Billboard counts it as 4 (or does not count them at all). My theory would be bolstered if the difference was a multiple of 3 or 4 though (which it’s not) or if I knew if the Tampa concerts even offered those types of tickets.

  • sr4mjc

    Kirsten, are the 4 packs a Live Nation package with their amphitheater venues (lawn seats?) If so, it wouldn’t be applicable to Tampa, those were on sale through Ticketmaster and it was a hockey arena. I checked the week leading up to the concert through Ticketmaster and couldn’t find any deals for that show. But it’s possible they advertised it through an email and I didn’t see it.

    Barenaked Ladies drawing practically the same number as Jordin shocks me. I thought they had a devoted fanbase.

  • Studio57

    BNL to me is nothing more than a 90′s 2 Hit Wonder here in the states. I know they are bigger in canada. Maroon 5 will be nicer stats I think, and of course Keith Urban probably was too. At least they have hits in THIS decade, Maroon 5 is in the top 20 right now in Itunes, so this is a great time to open for them.

  • cary

    I don’t think anyone can say that is Danny’s concert stats when he is an opening act for someone else’s tour.

    It’s interesting to look at all the concert stats, but you just can’t evaluate them the same way or draw the same conclusions when someone is an opener vs a headliner.

    From what I’ve seen I’d say Danny got a much better gig opening for Sugarland than Kris got opening for BNL.

  • springboard

    ITunes

    Singles 08/19/2010
    #26 ADAM LAMBERT If I Had You
    #56 CARRIE UNDERWOOD Undo It
    #108 DAUGHTRY September
    #120 ADAM LAMBERT Whataya Want from Me
    #286 DAUGHTRY Life After You
    #288 CARRIE UNDERWOOD Cowboy Casanova
    #356 CARRIE UNDERWOOD Before He Cheats
    #364 KRIS ALLEN Live Like We’re Dying
    #375 CARRIE UNDERWOOD Temporary Home
    #396 KELLY CLARKSON Already Gone
    #428 KELLIE PICKLER Makin’ Me Fall In Love Again
    #528 KRIS ALLEN The Truth
    #530 DAVID ARCHULETA Something ‘Bout Love
    #542 CARRIE UNDERWOOD All-American Girl
    #571 FANTASIA Bittersweet
    #693 DAUGHTRY No Surprise
    #861 CARRIE UNDERWOOD Jesus, Take the Wheel
    #913 CARRIE UNDERWOOD Last Name
    #918 KELLY CLARKSON My Life Would Suck Without You
    #964 KELLIE PICKLER Best Days of Your Life
    #988 KELLY CLARKSON Breakaway
    #994 CARRIE UNDERWOOD Just a Dream

    Albums 08/19/2010
    #103 CARRIE UNDERWOOD Play On
    #173 ADAM LAMBERT For Your Entertainment
    #233 DAUGHTRY Leave This Town (Bonus Track Version)
    #357 ADAM LAMBERT For Your Entertainment (Deluxe Version)
    #712 CARRIE UNDERWOOD Carnival Ride
    #735 DAUGHTRY Daughtry
    #805 CARRIE UNDERWOOD Some Hearts
    #871 DAUGHTRY Leave This Town
    #882 KRIS ALLEN Kris Allen
    #988 KELLY CLARKSON Breakaway

  • Kirsten

    Kirsten, are the 4 packs a Live Nation package with their amphitheater venues (lawn seats?)

    I’ve seen several arenas offering them too. Not all arenas are offering them, though. IDK what the criteria is. Live Nation controlled arenas?

    They don’t list Kris, but this was a date where he opened.

    I’ve added that one and the LA one from pollstar (via Idol Stages). BNL is having mixed results regardless of the opener (PS had other BNL concerts as well).

    With percentages:

    Thanks. I’ve added them.

  • http://www.twilightslo.com Mateja

    Paul Grein from Yahoo Chart Watch has some single sales numbers for Carrie:
    Jesus Take the Wheel – Carrie Underwood – 1,714,000
    Last Name – Carrie Underwood – 954,000
    So Small – Carrie Underwood – 887,000
    Just a Dream – Carrie Underwood – 886,000
    I Told You So – Carrie Underwood – 776,000
    Wasted – Carrie Underwood – 652,000

  • Hazehel

    are the 4 packs a Live Nation package with their amphitheater venues (lawn seats?)

    Don’t know which one offered which, there’s also the $10 one for the lawn seating I think, those who attended might know more.

    The higher number from Billboard also looks off when looking at the gross (I think you can expect gross of over $400,000 if there were no discount or special offer), but would be reasonable if a large number of people had paid a much lower ticket price. The Pollstar one would be OK only if there were no cheap tickets which we know isn’t true.

  • AllenTX

    Jordin Sparks
    Sellersville Theatre 1894; Sellersville PA
    July 29, 2010
    $1,446; 57 of 320 (18%)

    What? 57? why didn’t they cancel it?

  • girlygirl

    I think the dates where Kris, Danny or whoever is an opening act should just be used as a gauge to see the opportunity they are getting to play to audiences who may not know much about them — but since the majority of the people at the show are likely there because of the headliner, the numbers can’t really be used to show what kind of draw Kris, Danny or whatever Idol, is.

    BNL was a lot more popular 10-15 years ago then they are now, although like most bands who have had long careers, they do have a loyal core fanbase. It does appear that it doesn’t matter who their opener is — some dates they’ve drawn well (Salt Lake City, for instance, was sold out) — others, like this SF one, they draw poorly. Keith Urban is a very popular touring act, so I would expect his concert stats to be better and a lot more consistent than BNL’s. Maroon 5 will probably also be better and more consistent. Not surprised to see the strong % for Sugarland — they are quite popular right now. But again, those stats really should reflect only on the headliner’s ability to draw — not so much on the opener.

    Disappointed to see the lousy number for Jordin. I wonder if her tour ended up in the red, because the few numbers I saw for her dates were all pretty bad. I hope she has success during her Broadway run.

    Confused about the two conflicting numbers for that AI date. One guess — the larger number is people who attended, the lower number is tickets sold (so not counting the number of free tickets given away/won)?

  • girlygirl

    I have read that Adam, Kris and Danny have all been moving a bunch of merchandise at their dates, which is good to hear. Does anyone know if Allison is selling much merchandise? What sort of merchandise do they even have available for her?

  • Caden

    Another kind of discrepancy in reporting is the venue size from one report to another. The Greek Theater is a 5,800 seat venue but look at this report. where did the other 1621 seats disappear to?

    Barenaked Ladies, Kris Allen, Angel Taylor
    Greek Theatre, Los Angeles, CA
    July 22, 2010
    $92,830; 3,063 of 4,179 (73%); $19-$62.50

  • anovich

    I don’t think comparing Kris and Danny as openers to Adam as a headliner makes sense. When Kris and Danny (and Allison) are opening acts, they are not the main draw for the concert. BNL and Sugarland are the draws, but it does allow for exposure to new people. With Adam as the headliner, he is the main draw (and it’s part of the reason I wish Allison wasn’t opening for him – she needs a new audience, not AI people.)

    I would be interested to know how they are doing on merchandise sales, however, as I do think it might gauge interest these new audiences have in their music.

  • girlygirl

    Decent update for Kris. He went past Lady Gaga and should go by La Roux in next couple days…

    HOT AC
    19 18 KRIS ALLEN The Truth f/Pat Mona… 1511 1408 103 3.909
    +19 spins
    -5 bullet
    +0.026 AI

    AC
    48 29 JIM BRICKMAN Thank You 75 27 48 0.307

  • anovich

    The Greek Theater is a 5,800 seat venue but look at this report. where did the other 1621 seats disappear to?

    Just because the venue can seat 5,800 doesn’t necessarily mean it was configured for that.

  • girlygirl

    Caden

    I was at that show. The Greek didn’t even make available for sale a bunch of seats in the back of the venue, up on the hill. Not sure why those seats weren’t made available. But venue capacity will often vary depending on the setup or on what sections of seats are not made available.

  • steph6449

    Not sure the information posted here is for comparison, just as information.

    Big ouch for Jordin, that’s really feeble unless the venue was under a tornado warning or something :(

    I hadn’t realized that BNL’s venues could be that small? Or do they vary in size? Kris was here as an opener at a much bigger venue in my hometown recently (pavilion type deal with probably 10,000+ capacity including lawn area).

    Don’t remember though if it was BNL or Maroon 5. (As above, I wouldn’t blame or credit Kris for the size of what venues his lead acts are in, or for the turnout they get; just curious.)

  • sma11ie

    Well, even though the AI show only pulled in 56% attendance, $313K isn’t bad. They must’ve charged a lot for those who did attend… which I kind of think is crazy. Sugarland’s show pulled in 3000 more fans and only ~$40K more. I wonder if AI could’ve gotten better attendance figures if they lowered their prices? Well, I guess why would they care about attendance over the revenue…?

  • girlygirl

    BNL is playing mainly in venues that range from 2-5K, with a sprinkling of 5K+ and of ones below 2K thrown in

  • AllenTX

    Maroon5 used to sell out 15k+ arenas, now they’re scaling down to 6k at some stops. This summer is really brutal for some acts.

  • AllenTX

    Well, even though the AI show only pulled in 56% attendance, $313K isn’t bad.

    compare to AI tour’s track record, it IS bad though. This tour will probably only gross half of what previous tours did, that’s a lot money we’re talking about.

  • Hazehel

    This tour will probably only gross half of what previous tours did, that’s a lot money we’re talking about.

    At the moment it looks to be heading towards less than half the total gross of 2009, probably ending at ~13 million if the grosses from rest of the dates aren’t too different (it’s averaging just under $300K per show at the moment). It’ll likely be the third worst in term of gross, after Season 1 (which had fewer dates and much cheaper ticket prices) and Season 3.

    It’s actually not that bad, the tour would still make a profit, just nothing like Season 5, 7, and 8.

  • Lucy1234

    Danny got an early add from a Canadian radio station

    Canada-Country Edmonton 19/RCA Corus Entertainment Inc. 6 8/18/2010 2:26:00 PM

  • Truthiness

    Maroon5 used to sell out 15k+ arenas, now they’re scaling down to 6k at some stops. This summer is really brutal for some acts.

    But do we have any numbers for Maroon5 where Kris opened up for them, yet? I would be curious about those and especially the Keith Urban ones. I think the Keith ones are going to be pretty big ones, and mostly filled.

    But damn, those Jordin numbers are just sad. A second album that didn’t do well, and now this. Yikes. Hope that Broadway thing works out. I know it is temporary, but yeah, maybe she should do more of that for a while.

  • larc

    But do we have any numbers for Maroon5 where Kris opened up for them, yet?

    Kris just opened for M5 the first time on Tuesday night. The 2nd time is in Miami tonight.

  • jason1313

    first off Allison is not an opening act she is a guest star for the tour

    adam invite her to jone him so she could get her music out there
    the reason for a opening act is for someone to entertain the crowd into the big act gets on stage and allison is to good for that as the partition to keep hen the tour proved that

  • sma11ie

    Maroon5 used to sell out 15k+ arenas, now they’re scaling down to 6k at some stops. This summer is really brutal for some acts.

    Yeah, really brutal. I just paid $10 for actual seats to see Maroon 5 at an amphitheater. The lawn was TOTALLY empty and there were empty seats on the sides. I remember paying $90 for mediocre seats to see them at a soldout downtown arena a few years ago. Good show, though. Too bad Kris wasn’t opening. We got Owl City, who I don’t like– but that whole band was sooo loaded their whole set, which was amusing LOL.

    compare to AI tour’s track record, it IS bad though. This tour will probably only gross half of what previous tours did, that’s a lot money we’re talking about.

    Oh for sure, I was just trying to be positive =P.

  • girlygirl

    From “Chart Beat” article:

    A MONTH IN THE TOP 10 (AFTER JUST ONE WEEK): With a two-notch advance to No. 9 on Adult Pop Songs for “September,” Daughtry joins Matchbox Twenty and Maroon 5 as the only groups to earn at least three top 10s on the tally from each of their first two albums.

    (MORE AT LINK)

    http://www.billboard.com/#/news/chart-beat-wednesday-enrique-iglesias-soundgarden-1004109768.story

    So congrats to Chris D!!!

    BILLBOARD CHARTS

    HOT 100

    #42 – IIHY (LW – #54)
    #45 – Undo It (LW – #36)
    #91 September (LW – #94)

    POP

    #23 IIHY (LW – #27)

    ADULT POP

    #9 September (LW – #11)
    #18 The Truth (LW – #21)
    #28 IIHY (LW – #33)

    COUNTRY

    #10 Undo It (LW – #6)
    #33 MMFILA (LW – #33)
    #39 IWNSG (LW – #39)

    ADULT CONTEMPORARY

    #7 Life After You (LW – #8)
    #8 Already Gone (LW – #7)
    #9 LLWD (LW – #10)
    #10 WWFM (LW – #9)
    #28 September (LW – ??)

    DIGITAL

    #36 IIHY (LW – #43)
    #56 Undo It (LW – #47)

    RADIO

    #51 Undo It (LW – #38)
    #60 IIHY (LW – #70)

    CANADIAN HOT 100

    #11 IIHY (LW – #11)
    #33 WWFM (LW – #30)
    #70 Undo It (LW – #64)

  • girlygirl

    Jason1313

    Unless it was as “co-headliner”, it doesn’t matter how she is billed, Allison is still an opening act for Adam’s tour. So is Orianthi. Kris has been listed as “special guest” on some of his gigs with Keith Urban and BNL — but he is still opening for them…

  • AllenTX

    jason1313:
    08/19/2010 at 11:57 am
    first off Allison is not an opening act she is a guest star for the tour

    LOL What?

  • HR

    Unless she is sharing the costs of the dates she is on tour with Adam, Allison is an opener.

    Being an opener doesn’t mean you lack talent. It means you either don’t have the resources to finance a tour, the fanbase to make one possible or sometimes it just means you want to reach a larger or different fanbase then the one you already have.

  • girlygirl

    Seriously, there’s nothing wrong with being an opener. Probably 99% of musicians start their careers as an opening act. Or at least their careers after being signed to a major label. Very few new artists start off as headliners. To compare Allison with the mot successful 4th place finisher on Idol, Chris Daughtry was an opening act for several bands after coming off his AI run.

  • sma11ie

    jason1313:
    08/19/2010 at 11:57 am
    first off Allison is not an opening act she is a guest star for the tour

    LOL What?

    That was my reaction. I’ve been to tons of concerts, and granted, I don’t ALWAYS pay close attention to the ticket stubs… but I’m pretty sure openers are always listed on tickets as “special guests”. Does that mean none of them were “openers” but rather “guest stars”? Huh? Confused. What is this discussion about, anyway?

  • http://www.planetfierce.proboards.com/ CindyM

    BILLBOARD CHARTS

    HOT 100

    #42 – IIHY (LW – #54)

    Woohoo!! 12 spots in one week is great on the Hot 100. His Itunes ranking is even higher this week and so is his mediabase ranking so I hope this stat goes up next week, it should!

  • jason1313

    adam has said in many interviews that allison act is hers alone and not part of the glam nation tour that is why there is no duets between them and he makes it clear that he she has full control over her set and he will not interfere and let her gain experience and exposure without people saying that she is rideing his coattail for fame

  • http://www.planetfierce.proboards.com/ CindyM

    girlygirl:
    08/19/2010 at 12:18 pm
    Seriously, there’s nothing wrong with being an opener. Probably 99% of musicians start their careers as an opening act. Or at least their careers after being signed to a major label. Very few new artists start off as headliners. To compare Allison with the mot successful 4th place finisher on Idol, Chris Daughtry was an opening act for several bands after coming off his AI run.

    I think that Chris also did a headlining tour though, too. I know he came to Albuquerque and played a club here not too long after the end of the season.

  • girlygirl

    Jason1313

    Again, that doesn’t mean she’s not an opening act. Most openers have full control over their sets (probably the only thing they don’t control is the length of the set — that’s usually set by the headliner or the venue). And duets between openers and headliners are rare — for instance, Kris duets with Keith Urban, but he didn’t with BNL and there are no current plans for him to do so with Maroon 5. As far as I know, Danny never duetted with Sugarland, did he?

    I don’t understand why you seem to be having a hard time with Allison being called an opening act.

    Look at Kellie Pickler for example– she’s become very successful, but as far as I know, she still tours primarily as an opening act, not as a headliner. So again, there’s nothing wrong with being an opener.

  • HR

    Chris did his own club tour first. Opened for Nickelback during the summer of ’07, headlined fairs, festivals and radio concerts during this period. Returned to headlining his own concerts after the NB tour only in larger venues. The next year he opened for Bon Jovi.

  • girlygirl

    CindyM

    Oh I’m sure Chris D did some headlining stuff right after coming off AI. But my point is that he started off also doing a ton of gigs as an opener — just like most musicians do. I don’t understand why anyone think there’s something wrong with being called an opening act — they are still getting to tour and play in front of a bunch of people and (hopefully) making a decent living. What’s the matter with that? Allison seems to be having the time of her life — (and she would probably agree that she is opening for Adam). Likewise, I don’t understand when people try to put Kris down for doing his gigs opening for other people — I fail to see the downside of getting to tour with people like Keith Urban and Maroon 5.

  • jason1313

    (Seriously, there’s nothing wrong with being an opener. Probably 99% of musicians start their careers as an opening act. Or at least their careers after being signed to a major label. Very few new artists start off as headliners.)

    this is true but in this case this cannot help her for her and adam stared at the same time on the same show with the same fans if she were to be open for him would not look good for allison

    even adam knows this that is why there is no adam in her set and vice-verse together but separate

    adam made it clear in hie interview Michael Slezak from ew

  • AllenTX

    this is true but in this case this cannot help her for her and adam stared at the same time on the same show with the same fans if she were to be open for him would not look good for allison

    LOL Kris opened for Daughtry. There is nothing to be ashamed about.

  • sma11ie

    I’m still confused about the discussion. Carrie started off as an opener too. What’s everyone’s point…?

  • jason1313

    yes i am happy that allison is on tour with adam and will be heppy when she opens for some big rock band

    i know she needs help since 19e is doing nothing and glad that adam is there to help her but we need to look at the big pitcher that she needs to get away from the idol crap and get her to the big time on her own Marat not someone else’s

  • girlygirl

    I agree that it probably would have been better for Allison to open for someone not connected with Idol, to try and expand her fanbase, but who knows whether there were any opportunities for her to do that? Touring with Adam may have been the best opportunity for her right now. Hopefully she will be able to tour with some non-Idol acts this fall or next year.

  • FREIDAG

    Likewise, I don’t understand when people try to put Kris down for doing his gigs opening for other people — I fail to see the downside of getting to tour with people like Keith Urban and Maroon 5.

    I don’t see a downside either. :)

  • mmb

    i know she needs help since 19e is doing nothing

    19 and Jive have done a lot for Alli. She got performance spots on AI and SYTYCD, she got a new years eve tv performance, she has performed on various TV talk shows (GMA, Lopez, Conan), she did the RMT concert, she has visited tons and tons of radio stations and done private shows for them, she has been in magazines, etc. etc. When her first single didn’t hit they gave her another (and had her launch it on AI), and then yet another (with a SYTYCD performance). She was sent to southeast asia for promo. And now they are having her go on tour with Adam. She has received more promotional opportunities than the vast majority of new artists. Sometimes artists just do not hit with radio and the public. For whatever reason, radio and the public are not interested at this time. Maybe they will be in the future. But it is certainly not for lack of trying on 19 or Jive’s or Alli’s part

  • jason1313

    AllenTX:
    08/19/2010 at 12:50 pm
    this is true but in this case this cannot help her for her and adam stared at the same time on the same show with the same fans if she were to be open for him would not look good for allison

    LOL Kris opened for Daughtry. There is nothing to be ashamed about.

    but Kris and Daughtry were not on idle at the same time

    remember adam invited alli to come tour with him this had nothing to do with 19e thay hade Orianthi booked as the open act and alli was only soposed to do maybe 10 shows max and she proved that she blong on stage that people demand she stay for the rest of the tour when has that ever heppen ever

  • certain1

    If I can add to the discussion, I think you can and should consider the opening act into figures if that is the way they are reported. In the case of the Sugarland report they include Danny’s name, just like last week the included Kellie Pickler in the Rascal Flatts report. Opening acts that appear on a large portion of a larger names tour are not just chosen so they can get experience but also chosen because they can put butts in the seats. In Allison’s case I have always seen hers’ an appearance slot, is she ever included in the advertising for the GNT, as in radio interviews or print ads in the cities they visit.

  • sr4mjc

    i’m failing to follow the conversation. definition of opening act?

    I think most openers are called Special Guests, it sounds better on posters and tickets. There’s nothing wrong with opening!

    My concert in Melbourne says Special Guest Allison , but the text says ‘Opening for Lambert’ . To me they are one and the same.

    http://www.kingcenter.com/shows.jhtml?method=view&shows.id=421&shows.show_id=755

  • AllenTX

    IMHO, at this stage, Allison needs every bit of exposure she can get. What some idol fans might think of her opening for Adam is the least concern for her. It’s possible that they did try to get Allison an opening gig other than Adam’s before, but all fell through. Tbh, I couldn’t think of any touring acts which is suitable for her and she has a shot to get on as opening act, unless Jive is willing to shell out big money to buy her one.

  • jason1313

    mmb:
    08/19/2010 at 1:12 pm
    i know she needs help since 19e is doing nothing

    19 and Jive have done a lot for Alli. She got performance spots on AI and SYTYCD, she got a new years eve tv performance, she has performed on various TV talk shows (GMA, Lopez, Conan), she did the RMT concert, she has visited tons and tons of radio stations and done private shows for them, she has been in magazines, etc. etc. When her first single didn’t hit they gave her another (and had her launch it on AI), and then yet another (with a SYTYCD performance). She was sent to southeast asia for promo. And now they are having her go on tour with Adam. She has received more promotional opportunities than the vast majority of new artists. Sometimes artists just do not hit with radio and the public. For whatever reason, radio and the public are not interested at this time. Maybe they will be in the future. But it is certainly not for lack of trying on 19 or Jive’s or Alli’s part)

    sorry but that crap if nick and Disney can make stars out of cant sing nobody’s and give them solo tours and hit songs. something wrong with 19e when thay hold a rock goddess in ther hands flop

    if 19e cant make her a star then let someone eles take her like gene Simmons i bet in a week she would be bigger then miley could ever be

  • http://www.planetfierce.proboards.com/ CindyM

    Likewise, I don’t understand when people try to put Kris down for doing his gigs opening for other people — I fail to see the downside of getting to tour with people like Keith Urban and Maroon 5.

    I agree. There’s nothing wrong with opening. I also think that headlining is a great gig and I don’t know why it gets put down as only being AI fans that attend. That completely negates the fact that there are fans from outside of Idol who have heard these guys on the radio, seen them on tv and read about them that are probably attending the shows also.

    I also really haven’t seen the effect on album sales for the opening act slots either. Kris is still selling the 1K per week that he was selling before and Alli is still selling the <1K per week that she was selling before. It may be helping Danny, I'm not sure. It does certainly help them get recognition, though. I'm starting to think that the only thing that really helps sales are great TV appearances and radio play.

    As far as Allison. Adam has said that he was given a list of people. Presumably from 19 and Allison was on the list and he chose her. It's naive to think that 19 had no part in it or that Adam has full say on who his opening act was. Let's face it, Alli is mega-talented, but she hasn't been able to connect on radio or in her television appearances nor has she been able to connect saleswise. I don't know that her touring options were all that numerous. I just don't think it's Allison's time yet. Her voice and her image don't match up yet.

  • certain1

    IMHO, at this stage, Allison needs every bit of exposure she can get.

    While this is true, is any of this really helping her. Her latest single is on the way down the charts, the album numbers don’t seem to have moved any, and from what I have read here her last televised performance was a bit of a mess.

    It may be time for them to pull her back and actually do some artist developement with her or just let the whole thing go.

  • AllenTX

    Look at Kellie Pickler for example– she’s become very successful, but as far as I know, she still tours primarily as an opening act, not as a headliner. So again, there’s nothing wrong with being an opener.

    Sure, her album sales have been great so far, but until she headlines her own tour successfully, she could be another Jordin Sparks for all we know. A very few dates she did headline, the attendance were just so so.

  • jason1313

    Opening act
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    The term opening act (in British English, supporting act) usually refers to any entertainer who performs at a concert before the featured (or headline) entertainer. (Sometimes, although rarely, they may perform again at the end of the concert)

    The opening act’s performance serves to “warm up” the audience, making it appropriately excited and enthusiastic for the headliner.

    In rock music, the opening act will usually be an up-and-coming group with a much smaller following than the featured artist. On long concert tours, different opening acts may be used for different legs of the tour.

    special guest

    someone invited to appear) adam invited allison on tour

  • jason1313

    certain1:
    08/19/2010 at 1:32 pm
    IMHO, at this stage, Allison needs every bit of exposure she can get.

    While this is true, is any of this really helping her. Her latest single is on the way down the charts, the album numbers don’t seem to have moved any, and from what I have read here her last televised performance was a bit of a mess.

    It may be time for them to pull her back and actually do some artist developement with her or just let the whole thing go.

    i agerr with this. i felt sorry for her an SUTUCD

    she tryed so hard and her voice cracked bad and that nevers happens to her she gives 110% and gets back nothing someone needs to step in and help this girl

  • starstruck2000

    jason1313:
    08/19/2010 at 11:57 am
    first off Allison is not an opening act she is a guest star for the tour

    adam invite her to jone him so she could get her music out there
    the reason for a opening act is for someone to entertain the crowd into the big act gets on stage and allison is to good for that as the partition to keep hen the tour proved that

    I cannot see a downside to Allison “opening”or “guest starring” for Adam. It gave her a job for the summer that she might not have had. It has giving her “stage performance” experience that is unprecidented. She has grown so much as a performer. She looks fantastic. IMO all is good for her.

  • anovich

    I also really haven’t seen the effect on album sales for the opening act slots either. Kris is still selling the 1K per week that he was selling before and Alli is still selling the <1K per week that she was selling before. It may be helping Danny, I'm not sure. It does certainly help them get recognition, though. I'm starting to think that the only thing that really helps sales are great TV appearances and radio play.

    But I’m wondering about the sales of the albums at concerts. Hasn’t it been discussed here before that there is a lot of hassle to go through to report these types of sales. Maybe Kris and Alli’s people are waiting to report these at the end of their tour (all their sales from the entire tour at once). I think this was discussed at one point either in reference to David Cook and why he didn’t sell his album on tour or everything that Danny’s people need to do in order to have his sales from tour incldued in his #s.

  • tinawina

    I’m starting to think that the only thing that really helps sales are great TV appearances and radio play.

    I think that is usually the case! Add great word of mouth to the list. I was always told touring doesn’t necessarily help sales… its about building awareness, interest and a touring fanbase.

  • jason1313

    when alli tours with a big name non idol band she will be an opening act but as long as she is with kris or adam on stage she will always be a guest star

    end of story

  • sr4mjc

    The term opening act (in British English, supporting act) usually refers to any entertainer who performs at a concert before the featured (or headline) entertainer. (Sometimes, although rarely, they may perform again at the end of the concert)

    ETA: I like Allison and wish she were getting more airplay. She needs growth as an artist, but I think she’ll get there. I’m sure she’s having a blast on this tour and is learning a lot about the music business.
    The opening act’s performance serves to “warm up” the audience, making it appropriately excited and enthusiastic for the headliner.

    In rock music, the opening act will usually be an up-and-coming group with a much smaller following than the featured artist. On long concert tours, different opening acts may be used for different legs of the tour.

    What part of this does not define what Allison is doing? I truly don’t understand what you are arguing. Her role is the same whether you call it guest star or opening act. Whether that is with Adam or anyone non-Idol.

    ETA: I like Allison, wish she were getting more radio airplay. I’m sure she’s having a blast and learning a lot on this tour. She’s young and will grow.

  • smeggingnuts

    special guest

    someone invited to appear) adam invited allison on tour

    No Adam picked Allison as one of his opening acts for the first half of the tour from a list of acts. A special guest would be if she was never originally schedualed to perform until the last minute. Like say some of the big radio gigs that Adam and Orianthi were schedualed to perform and the day of Allison was announced at a special guest. She was never schedualed to perform but she did at the last min.

    The headliner of a tour is always said to invite the openers to tour with them. But they arn’t what you seem to consider a “special guest” they are openers.

  • Cynthia101

    Allison is an opener for Adam, as is Orianthi when she appears. Whether she’s billed as an “opener” or “special guest” is moot because it amounts to the same thing in this situation. Adam is billed as the headliner on the Glam Nation Tour and as such has openers consisting of Allison and Orianthi. Both Allison and Orianthi have their own sets which don’t include the other (save for Orianthi’s guitar solo on DWTP) nor Adam. Whatever we want to call it (I say tomato, you say tomato), Allison is considered to be an opener and thus her concert stats aren’t technically the same as Adam’s.

    With that being said, I happen to think it’s wonderful that Allison is opening for Adam, only wish it were doing her more good album and singles sales wise. Let’s face it: Allison’s sales are in the toilet and she’s going to be surpremely lucky if Jive doesn’t drop her before her second album. For whatever reason, Allison simply isn’t connecting with the music buying public (as an example: Adam is pretty consistently selling 4-5k albums a week which is presumably by new fans that he’s picking up through the tour, that isn’t happening with Allison). I think Allison has tremendous talent, but I can see why she’s having a more difficult time breaking through than the Disney bots, K$shas, and Katy Perry’s of the music industry. Hopefully if this isn’t her time, she’ll consider focusing on theatre or something and then try again in a few years. The public’s fascination with no-talent, trashy, auto-tuned twits can’t last for too much longer, right? :-)

  • cary

    when alli tours with a big name non idol band she will be an opening act but as long as she is with kris or adam on stage she will always be a guest star

    end of story

    This conversation is striking me as hilarious. Just curious, what do you think Orianthi is? Is she an opener?

  • smeggingnuts

    Just curious, what do you think Orianthi is? Is she an opener?

    well by jason1313 arguemnt she is because she isn’t from Idol. If she was from idol she would be a “special guest” lol

  • agathe.hb

    smegs, you owe me a new keyboard………………

  • aa618892

    Touring with Adam may have been the best opportunity for her right now. Hopefully she will be able to tour with some non-Idol acts this fall or next year.

    ITA- I believe opening for Adam has given Allison some much needed performance experience. Even she has said she has “learned to sing, not shout” in one interview. From the vids and reviews she still has a lot of work to do on controlling her vocals and polishing her performance and stage skills. She has grown noticeably better as the tour has progressed. I also agree with other posters that radio is not quite ready for her yet. She is immensely talented and has vocal ability that the Katys,Keshas,Selenas can only wish they had. I see this tour as a good way to develop her. She is in a safe environment with Adam in that Adam’s fans know how much he loves her and are really trying to support her. Opening for someone else might have exposed her to more hostility and indifference and not boosted her confidence. I really do see good things in the future for her but radio needs to get to a place where vocal ability is more highly appreciated and I believe Adam is helping blaze a trail in that regard that could help Alli also.

  • smeggingnuts

    agathe.hb:
    08/19/2010 at 3:11 pm
    smegs, you owe me a new keyboard………………

    ooo I haven’t had to pass those out in awhile :)

  • jrain

    Sheesh, read between the lines Allison and Orianthi are opening acts, end of story.

    I like Alli, Orianthi and of course Adam, I actually don’t think this tour has done much good for Allison. She didn’t get exposure to a new fanbase, her sales were static and honestly she did not progress as a singer and performer during the tour. From an objective point of view she’s still a very rough singer and performer. She needs more time, it’s pretty clear why she’s not connecting.

    On Orianthi, I have a newfound respect for her, talk about navigating a crappy situation. It’s always tough being an opening act to a new fanbase add to that Allison was always going to be more popular whether it’s waranted or not. While Orianthi’s sales did not improve dramatically or gain many new fans she in fact did improve her weaknesses as an artist dramaticaly during this tour. I think the early critism did help her in the end, something Allison did not get.

  • limi

    The opening act’s performance serves to “warm up” the audience, making it appropriately excited and enthusiastic for the headliner.

    Using this definition I don’t think Alison or anyone can be an opening act for Adam, because the last thing which is needed at his shows is someone to “warmup” or get the crowd excited and enthusiastic. The temperature goes from zero to boiling the minute he steps on the stage!!! Anymore excitement and enthusiasm they would probably have to shut the place down!! Just my own thought, no reflection on anyone else.

    Can’t wait for the show tonight!!

  • agathe.hb

    in Las Vegas I met an Orianthi fan, who was there for her, but bought an Adam CD and said he was a new fan :)
    Ori was really good and I think, vice versa, she was exposed to plenty of new fans :) a win/win situation
    as for Alli, she has been gaining a lot of experience, which she definitely needs and she has admitted it herself, she has learned how to take care of her voice, how to interact with fans, etc. plus she is having the time of her life :D

  • smeggingnuts

    I was really impressed with Orianthi when I went to see Adam. She puts on a good rock show (though I have to admit to watcher her drummer most of the show) heheh

  • smeggingnuts
  • Indigobunting

    I think that Chris also did a headlining tour though, too. I know he came to Albuquerque and played a club here not too long after the end of the season.

    I thought he opened for Nickleback while doing some of his own gigs at clubs interspersed, just like Kris and Danny are doing?

    19 and Jive have done a lot for Alli. She got performance spots on AI and SYTYCD, she got a new years eve tv performance, she has performed on various TV talk shows (GMA, Lopez, Conan), she did the RMT concert, she has visited tons and tons of radio stations and done private shows for them, she has been in magazines, etc. etc. When her first single didn’t hit they gave her another (and had her launch it on AI), and then yet another (with a SYTYCD performance). She was sent to southeast asia for promo. And now they are having her go on tour with Adam. She has received more promotional opportunities than the vast majority of new artists.

    I agree. I don’t think anyone can say “poor Allison”. She has received many national PR spots; Danny fans would be ecstatic for her type of national PR coverage. She also received a third single when the first two went nowhere- as many singles(or more if you don’t count his coronation song) as David Cook!

    I do agree that she would have done better as opener for someone else besides Adam to have a mentor (female) and get out of the AI bubble. I think that was convenient for 19 to put her there. But she does need a lot of experience its becoming apparent and I hope it is beneficial because the girl has a hell of a voice.

    An opener is an opener, lol, no matter who you are, Allison is no different and dueting has nothing to do with it.

  • Indigobunting

    In line with the topic of this thread:

    http://www.kdvr.com/business/sns-ap-top-20-concert-tours,0,993604.story

    The top 20 concert (grossing) tours for the past 2 weeks

    #1 Eagles

    #14 Sugarland

    #15 Carrie Underwood

    #18 Daughtry

    Interesting checking out that list!

  • smeggingnuts

    Ok I take way to much statisfaction in that Tool is higher ranked the the Beibs

  • anovich

    I actually don’t think this tour has done much good for Allison. She didn’t get exposure to a new fanbase, her sales were static and honestly she did not progress as a singer and performer during the tour. From an objective point of view she’s still a very rough singer and performer. She needs more time, it’s pretty clear why she’s not connecting.

    This was my take on things for Alli as well. Watching her on SYTYCD, I felt like she still had that manic presence about her that is a bit off-putting (and I like Alli, she was my #2 for her season).

  • bridgette12

    Congrats to Adam going platinum in Austalia. Right now it’s still #4 on Australia itunes top 10, so even more sells. I wonder what song are they going to release there next, will it be the rumoured song by Tedder, Sleepwalker.

    As for Adam’s opening acts, both have things to work on to get better. When I say that, I certainly don’t think for one second that Adam is perfect and that he doesn’t have some things he can improve. As for Ori, she is a very talented guitarist, but her voice is average. Personality wise, she’s so bland on the stage, she just as well be a card board cutout. Allison needs time to mature as a artist and a person, plus some work on vocals and speech. If it was possible, I wish they would have waited a year before her first album and given her a chance to mature some as a person and a artist. Maybe with more time, she would have made a better album.

  • YankeeFan08

    As for Ori, she is a very talented guitarist, but her voice is average. Personality wise, she’s so bland on the stage, she just as well be a card board cutout.

    I completely disagree that Orianthi is “bland”. I have been to three Glam Nation shows and while Orianthi isn’t the best singer she is hardly “bland”. Her guitar skills are insane. The audience was on their feet for much of her set. In fact, she got a much better reception than Allison did.

  • smeggingnuts

    Congrats to Adam going platinum in Austalia. Right now it’s still #4 on Australia itunes top 10, so even more sells. I wonder what song are they going to release there next, will it be the rumoured song by Tedder, Sleepwalker.

    The link I posted says the rumor is that FYE will be the next single released to radio in the middle of next month

  • jrain

    As for Ori, she is a very talented guitarist, but her voice is average. Personality wise, she’s so bland on the stage, she just as well be a card board cutout.

    You know it depends on when you saw her, I would agree with you if it was early on the tour, but having seen her recently in Costa Mesa and Vegas she was very entertaining. Obviously still needs work but she’s really hitting her stride as an artist.

    As far as her voice, well she kind of needs to be judged as a complete artist, vocally alone of course she is average and maybe that’s why many Adam fans don’t connect with her because Adam is such a beast but I for one have started to appreciate what she brings to the table as a unique artist.

  • bridgette12

    smeggingnuts:
    08/19/2010 at 4:32 pm

    Congrats to Adam going platinum in Austalia. Right now it’s still #4 on Australia itunes top 10, so even more sells. I wonder what song are they going to release there next, will it be the rumoured song by Tedder, Sleepwalker.

    The link I posted says the rumor is that FYE will be the next single released to radio in the middle of next month

    I was thinking about the rumor from Tedder last week, that Sleepwalker will be released internationally.

  • smeggingnuts

    I was thinking about the rumor from Tedder last week, that Sleepwalker will be released internationally.

    That was a blip on Tedder’s web site for a UK release not Austraila
    Not sure how solid that rumor is

  • sr4mjc
  • Pixie Baker

    Pixie Baker:
    08/19/2010 at 4:19 pm
    I think I may have blinked….what was Adam’s special announcement today!
    Did I miss it?

    I posted this in another thread with no response….does anyone know what the announcement was today? Just curious…. :)

  • sr4mjc

    I posted this in another thread with no response….does anyone know what the announcement was today? Just curious…. :)

    I didn’t know there was supposed to be something today. What source? AO?

  • Pixie Baker

    Idol Headlines for 08/18/10 – The Evening Edition
    August 18th, 2010 | Author: mj

    @Sony_Music tweets, “Tomorrow night @adamlambert will be on @muchmusic ’s ‘Born To Be’ at 9:30 PM/ET. P.S. keep your ears open for a special announcement!

    Maybe it hasn’t happened yet,Sr4, I just reread that it said tomorrow night which would be tonight……..

  • smeggingnuts

    No the MuchMusic show hasn’t aired yet its 8pm est I think

    Opps thats 9:30pm Est

  • bridgette12

    jrain:
    08/19/2010 at 4:34 pm

    As for Ori, she is a very talented guitarist, but her voice is average. Personality wise, she’s so bland on the stage, she just as well be a card board cutout.

    You know it depends on when you saw her, I would agree with you if it was early on the tour, but having seen her recently in Costa Mesa and Vegas she was very entertaining. Obviously still needs work but she’s really hitting her stride as an artist.

    As far as her voice, well she kind of needs to be judged as a complete artist, vocally alone of course she is average and maybe that’s why many Adam fans don’t connect with her because Adam is such a beast but I for one have started to appreciate what she brings to the table as a unique artist.

    I saw Ori at the Ryman, her set seem like it would never end. I think you have to judge Ori as a singer first, because the audience is going to buy her albums based on her singing voice. The guitar work is great, but most people don’t attend concerts to see a singer play a instrument, they want to hear good vocals. The reason some Adam fans are not running out to get their music, is that neither one has had many hits or the potential to have future hits off of the current album. Second, as an Adam Lambert fan, you appreciate good vocals, not average voices or incoherent yelling on stage. I appreciate singers who can sing both recorded and live, especially live if I am going to spend my hard earned money on a concert ticket. Neither Ori or Allison makes me want to buy their music. I hope for next year’s tour, neither one of them will be on his tour.

  • bridgette12

    I hope they don’t release FYE in Australia instead of Sleepwalker. Adam has done an amazing job singing Sleepwalker live, plus the recorded version is good too.

  • smeggingnuts

    I think you have to judge Ori as a singer first, because the audience is going to buy her albums based on her singing voice. The guitar work is great, but most people don’t attend concerts to see a singer play a instrument, they want to hear good vocals.

    Well I think that is a matter of opinion on what you are expecting from whatever show you are going too. I was expecting Orianthi to rock out and she did.

    I think we might want remember that most singers/bands are not better live (vocally) what you are paying for is the energy that is produced by the live setting whether that is brought by the vocals, live intruments, amazing guitar solos not on CD’s (or drum, bass or any other intrument), on stage antics like banter, Pyro, hilarious shinannigans, costumes ect….

    Those are the things that we go to see in a live concert. It just depends on who you are going to see that will dictate what you get.

  • mmb

    I hope they don’t release FYE in Australia instead of Sleepwalker. Adam has done an amazing job singing Sleepwalker live, plus the recorded version is good too.

    even if they release fye in australia that doesn’t mean they won’t release sleepwalker…australia is heading into their summer…i doubt rca will release sw as a summer song anywhere…and the video is already made for fye

    i suspect that the “announcement” sony tweeted about is the concert dvd that was mentioned in the australian press…if a dvd is being made, it will certainly be released in canada and the us…it won’t be australia only

  • jrain

    I saw Ori at the Ryman, her set seem like it would never end. I think you have to judge Ori as a singer first, because the audience is going to buy her albums based on her singing voice. The guitar work is great, but most people don’t attend concerts to see a singer play a instrument, they want to hear good vocals. The reason some Adam fans are not running out to get their music, is that neither one has had many hits or the potential to have future hits off of the current album. Second, as an Adam Lambert fan, you appreciate good vocals, not average voices or incoherent yelling on stage. I appreciate singers who can sing both recorded and live, especially live if I am going to spend my hard earned money on a concert ticket. Neither Ori or Allison makes me want to buy their music. I hope for next year’s tour, neither one of them will be on his tour.

    I get where your coming from and many will agree with you. Bottom line this is not her crowd, we are primarily interested in amazing vocals and captivating performers(Adam) and when judged by that standard then of course she falls short. However, Orianthi is a different kind of artist and as such I like her and judge her based on an apples to apples comparison.

    Orianthi is actually a guitarist first not a singer and trust me there are many people who will come see her based on that, but like you said she needs more hits and that will probably come with time, she’s too talented and well connected not to.

    As a rock fan I like Nickelback and Daughtry as well however, I will say this even though Orianthi doesn’t have the hits yet of either of these bands, she packs a hell of alot more punch than both combined and puts out very a high energy rock show. She may not be this fanbase cup of tea but I think for the mainstream rock community she is on the verge of breaking out as a major artist.

  • girlygirl

    I have a feeling that “big announcement” is going to be something Adam’s fans already know about

  • smeggingnuts

    girlygirl:
    08/19/2010 at 5:51 pm
    I have a feeling that “big announcement” is going to be something Adam’s fans already know about

    It either the acoustic EP or the Live DVD that Adam has been saying is happening.

  • girlygirl

    When Lee and Crystal and Casey all (probably) go out on tour next year, it is more likely than not that they are going to be doing something along the lines of what Kris and Danny have done this year (rather than what Adam is doing) — open for bigger act(s) while also doing headlining shows at smaller (I would guess mainly below 2,000 capacity) venues. It’ll be interesting to see who 19 is able to pair them up with for touring

  • bridgette12

    jrain:
    08/19/2010 at 5:38 pm
    As a rock fan I like Nickelback and Daughtry as well however, I will say this even though Orianthi doesn’t have the hits yet of either of these bands, she packs a hell of alot more punch than both combined and puts out very a high energy rock show. She may not be this fanbase cup of tea but I think for the mainstream rock community she is on the verge of breaking out as a major artist.

    I do agree with you there will be people who will come to see her because of her guitar skills. Unfortuantely for her at the moment she opening for a guy with mad vocal skills, and it really shows what Ori and Allison lack in comparison. As for her breaking out as a major artist, only time will tell. I do know she’s a bigger star overseas than in the States. Maybe she needs to add a lead singer and she can concentrate on the guitar. Her moneymaker is a guitar skills, not her voice.

  • Studio57

    Maybe she needs to add a lead singer and she can concentrate on the guitar. Her moneymaker is a guitar skills, not her voice.

    ITA. She needs to be someone’s Eddie to their Diamond Dave. Out of all the top rock guitarists in the world, and I really do consider her one, how many have been a great front person too? The only one I can really think of off the top of my head is Joe Walsh.

    Going to stalk DDD……

    okay I found one other one- Jimi Hendrix. That’s about it.

  • jrain

    Unfortuantely for her at the moment she opening for a guy with mad vocal skills, and it really shows what Ori and Allison lack in comparison.

    I agree with you but then again who wouldn’t sound lacking next to Adam, lol. Not sure if she needs to just be a guitarist, becuase she won’t be in the spotlight much and I think her voice is solid enough live.

    Quite a few guitarists had successful solo careers. Eric Clapton, Jimi Hendrix, John Mayer, Keith Urban, Brad Paisley that’s just off the top of my head.

  • jason1313

    allison problem is not allison but 19e, everybody says she been on tv allot so she must get big sales !!NOT!!

    adam really got big when he was on the award show 3 music videos and replayed on radio over and over

    Kris got big with 2 videos big push from idol and opening for chris d

    alison got what 1 video with a song that did not fit her. when was the last time you heard her on the radio never, Disney played the Friday song a few times for a week but cut the hell out of it and dumped her

    what about last month teen choice awards show why did not 19 put her on that stage or the nick kids choice she was there but not on stage

    so anybody that says that its not her time is bullshit

    19 has dropped the ball on this one that both icarly girls got Cd’s out and are touring not as openers to sell-out shows and the one hit crap on radio will get MTV awards while alison gets crumbs is not right

    anybody can have a hit with good backing (Justin bieber anyone)

    i think its time to hand over allison to somebody who cares and give her the respect she deserves and rule the world

    and everyone say AMAN

  • Studio57

    jrain- I was only talking about hard rock guitarists, so I’ll give ya Eric Clapton though :) but there have been very few. Ori’s guitar skills are begging for better, crazier vocals to match it- that’s all. There was a reason she was MJ’s guitarist. It’s like Slash being in a band with Demi Lovato.

  • jrain

    Studio57:
    08/19/2010 at 6:33 pm
    jrain- I was only talking about hard rock guitarists, so I’ll give ya Eric Clapton though but there have been very few. Ori’s guitar skills are begging for better, crazier vocals to match it- that’s all. There was a reason she was MJ’s guitarist. It’s like Slash being in a band with Demi Lovato.

    Fair enough, i’m done with this topic.

  • smeggingnuts

    jason
    there is only so much that promo can do…if Allison can’t connect people are not going to buy her music. And if people don’t buy her music Jive isn’t going to sink money into her. I am pretty sure the reason she hasn’t gotten another MV is because that even with the video for FIBOU sales were bad. I am sure that she probable would have gotten a video for DWTP if buying public would have well bought her music. They put extra money into rerecording the song with Orianthi. She has gotten alot of festival gig’s by vertue of being on tour with Adam. There is no way that would have happened if she wasn’t tour with them.

    And no one was saying that she was getting big sales because she has been on tv. The point was that she was getting TV spots and the sales still weren’t there. She is getting the promo but she just isn’t connecting. It’s fact. Why she isn’t connecting I think is a matter of opinion.

  • jrain

    jason1313:
    08/19/2010 at 6:31 pm
    allison problem is not allison but 19e, everybody says she been on tv allot so she must get big sales !!NOT!!….

    I don’t agree, people know who she is and she came off the biggest launching pad we have and she got tons of promo, maybe less than Adam but still. The lead off single was unfortunate but her performance on SYTYCD is indicitive of how people feel. Other artists come on that show and have a sales boost, she clearly didn’t. It did not even break itunes top 1000 or lead to radio adds. Promoting her now is pointless, better to regroup and move on to her next CD and work on her image and performance skills.

  • SpenserJ

    so anybody that says that its not her time is bullshit

    Okay, I’ll provide a different bullshit theory then. This is not the CD that is going to make Allison’s career. NO ONE responds to it. She performs on different tv shows that generally give an artist a healthy sales bump, yet, neither of her songs received any dicernable bump at all. She’s sent several singles to radio, but the PD’s aren’t adding them and the dj’s aren’t playing them. America has spoken – they do not like this CD. It’s not Allison’s fault – she’s very talented. It’s not 19′s fault – they got her quite a bit of decent promo. It’s the music. The material simply isn’t strong enough.

    anybody can have a hit with good backing (Justin bieber anyone)

    This theory is disproven by every artist on a major label who’s had plenty of backing and either became a one hit wonder or just disappeared. If the record companies had a full-proof formula for catching lightning in a bottle, they’d never fail.

  • jrain

    I am sure that she probable would have gotten a video for DWTP if buying public would have well bought her music. They put extra money into rerecording the song with Orianthi.

    As much as people like to hate at Jive, I actually think their plan for DWTP was a great one, but unfortunatly didn’t manifest itself.
    1. make the song more radio friedly – Orianthi helped with that. Song was good but not great. But it still sounds like it could be on the radio.
    2. Go on tour with adam and hit radio stations all across the country, getting some radio adds. This didn’t quite happen as I recall or some didn’t add the song.
    3. Sell the song to Orianthi and especially Adam fans. This will generate solid sales to get the song to top 50 radio which will produce a video and give it a chance at top 40. – this clearly did not happen, not sure exactly why.

  • jason1313

    BTW i have brought over 27 copies of her cd and given them to friends and 3 times on my phone and anything else to help her and when i go to the GNC i well buy about 300$ of her stuff t shirts ect..

    so yes i have a say about what happening to her and i don’t like it

    growing up being an opening act was for nobody’s jest a fill in into the real acts were ready if adam was a big star with hit cds under his belt sold out stadiums i would have no prom with calling allison a opener but adam is not he is on the same level as alli just starting out getting his feet wet jest like her

  • smeggingnuts

    jrain
    I agree with you I thought they had a great plan but for some reason it just didn’t happen..(btw I wasn’t blaming Jive just saying that a MV would have probable been in the works if their plan have panned out)

  • jrain

    jason1313
    Save youself some breath. I know you love Allison, but don’t let it cloud your judgement. She’s not ready to be a headliner. Take a deep breath and regroup with Allison fans for her next CD, I know it’s a tough wait. The lead off single will be the key and she will need her whole fan base at that time. Don’t go pissing off Adam fans in the process until then because you will need our support.

  • jason1313

    don’t worry i wont pissing off Adam fan for i to like him and think its great were he at and deserved it and kicking a$$

    this rant has nothing to do with adam and i thank him for staying true to allison and helping her

    my beef is with jive, 19e

  • jason1313

    what puzzles me is that jive had a contract for her befor she was on tv thay didn’t care were she placed, made the tour,won,lost

    but now that thay have her thay don’t know what to do with her

    good thing Elvis did not bump into these guys when he started out

  • Indigobunting

    Jason-

    I think Allison is just immature for her age; she hasn’t been able to portray an appealing public persona.

    FIBOU wasn’t a bad single- my daughter bought it and likes it.

    Allison was my second fave after Danny on the show, but that rapidly changed once I saw two AI tours. On the show her vocals were excellent and I thought she was sassy in a cute way. But on tour, she mumbled her lyrics, forgot some lyrics, and worried more about stomping around tossing her hair than singing. She went down near the bottom of my list after that and her album was too poppy for me too. It is unfortunate, but people need to like you and her appearance on AI, New Year’s Eve, SYTYCD did her no favors either.

    It is not Jive’s fault she didn’t get a big sales bump from her appearances. They even had her single as a commercial before the Twilight “Moon” movie; which was genius. And they have given her THREE singles!

    I do fault Jive/19 for not getting her some coaching on live performance/ public appearance.

    I don’t even think it is the material’s fault. She just needs time to mature, figure out her image. I think if she matures she could come out with a great Melissa Etheridge kind of vibe. She is a rocker, IMO not a preppy pop or glam little sister to Adam- her beautiful, husky voice begs for rock.

  • jason1313

    Indigobunting:
    her beautiful, husky voice begs for rock.

    BINGO!!!!!!!!

    that’s what jive needs to do hook her up with metallica Steven Tyler salsh hell even david Gilmore would wright some kick ass song for this girl

  • weareallinnocent

    I logged in for the sole purpose of saying “Amen” to SpenserJ‘s comment above. My work here is done. :-)

  • SpenserJ

    Awe, weareallinnocent, you made me feel loved :).

    Allison is talented. She’ll make a career for herself, I have no doubt. I just don’t think there’s any point in waiting for the miracle that’s going to turn this CD around. It’s done. Time for her, and her team to step back and regroup (after she’s done touring of course).

  • escape

    Take a deep breath and regroup with Allison fans for her next CD, I know it’s a tough wait. The lead off single will be the key and she will need her whole fan base at that time.

    I honestly do not see there’s any way Jive will give her a 2nd album. She’s had 3 singles and a debut album that went nowhere. She was given high profile gigs on American Idol, SYTYCD – and of course the big Glambert tour. But none of this has helped.

    Every season there is 1 Idol that is dropped from their contract – and I predict that Allison will be that casualty for Season 8.

  • girlygirl

    to throw a little levity into the idea about opening acts, I was watching the twitter list for Kris’s concert tonight opening in Miami for Maroon 5. He was getting great responses in the tweets — but not everyone seemed to realize who was up on stage — one tweeter thought Kris/KAB were actually Maroon 5, while another thought Kris was Owl City (who opened for M 5 earlier on this tour), while someone else thought KAB was a boy band! Now I’d think that people who go to concerts would have at least some clue about who is on the bill, but evidently that’s not always the case.

  • YankeeFan08

    one tweeter thought Kris/KAB were actually Maroon 5, while another thought Kris was Owl City (who opened for M 5 earlier on this tour), while someone else thought KAB was a boy band! Now I’d think that people who go to concerts would have at least some clue about who is on the bill, but evidently that’s not always the case.

    I don’t think it’s that unusual to not know who the opening acts are. I’ve been to many concerts where I had never heard of the opening act. Often times I don’t even care who the opening act is. Most people are buying the ticket to see the headliner, not the opening act.

  • girlygirl

    YankeeFan08

    see, I don’t get that. If I’m going to a concert, I’m getting there on time and I’m going to listen to the opening act. If I like them, I’m going to make sure I know who they are so I can track down their music, etc.

    Tickets cost to much $$$ for me to only show up for the headliner. But that’s just me. YMMV

    Anyway, tonight’s tweets were just funny. I would bet that those people got many @replies correcting them. But it does show it makes sense for Kris — or any opening act — to make sure to introduce themselves to the crowd at some point during their set

  • tripp_ncwy

    Anyway, tonight’s tweets were just funny. I would bet that those people got many @replies correcting them. But it does show it makes sense for Kris — or any opening act — to make sure to introduce themselves to the crowd at some point during their set

    Allison doesn’t really have to do that since her name is plastered on the screen behind her, the same with Orianthi. I tried to make this point the other day about staging. Kris could have used some staging for his set. I know sometimes it is not possible when your are an opening act but it would be nice. It shouldn’t cost that much to design an electronic mural as a background. It could have been as simple as his album cover with his name on it.

  • jrain

    I honestly do not see there’s any way Jive will give her a 2nd album. She’s had 3 singles and a debut album that went nowhere. She was given high profile gigs on American Idol, SYTYCD – and of course the big Glambert tour. But none of this has helped.

    Every season there is 1 Idol that is dropped from their contract – and I predict that Allison will be that casualty for Season 8.

    She will get a second album because she’s got the talent and potential. She just got too much fame too quick. If they drop her, she will be snatched up by another label. She has the raw elements to make it big, it’s just a matter grooming and timing.

    If her next CD flops then yes, she may get dropped but it’s pointless for Allison’s fanbase to bang their collective heads against a wall trying to promote her right now.

  • springboard

    Allison will get another album if a record label thinks that she is marketable , not because she has the potential of becoming a great artist a few years down the line.
    The question is, how marketable is she? She is not a pop princess, she has neither the voice nor the personality, and her fans think that she is a rocker.
    The trouble is, how many female rockers make it big theses days, or at least big enough to interest a major label? Would it give her any chance of being adopted by top 40 radio? twenty years ago, possibly, but considering the current trend, I can’t see it happening.
    Rock radio? It would depend on her material, but would a major label be interested?
    Also, she now has a failed album and three failed singles, and as it seems that radio stations don’t like taking risks, she’ll have a mountain to climb to get any airplay.

    I think that she will have to be an independent artist for a while, may be front a band, and come back for a fresh start in a few years time.
    And who knows, by then, what the current music will sound like.

  • agathe.hb

    the best route for Allison is the rock route, I totally agree, and I also agree with springboard that currently is not the most popular route….. Allison has mentioned something about writing with Orianthi? perhaps those two would really rock it out? that could be awesome :)

  • jrain

    @springboard
    I don’t disagree with anything you said but not every artist is expected to sell really well initially. Question is, how much tolerance will they have. She may not have connected with the audience at large but she does have a rabid core fanbase.

    Remember one thing, one hit changes everything and smoothes out alot of the problems with an artist. Doesn’t matter if it’s rock or pop rock, that’s what will open the doors. She and her label have alot of work to do the question is what is the right timing.