Idols In Concert – Stats – 07/28/11

I am so glad that AEG is back that I could kiss their dalmatian (as John McLane might say). Last week I was thrilled to see concert stats for the first two weeks of concerts. This week, they posted another week of stats. I love them this big! Three more sold out concerts and 97% of tickets in general sold. This is the daily numbers thread.

American Idol Live Tour Season 10:
July 19, 2011: Oklahoma City, Okla.: Cox Convention Center : 6,910 of 7,391 (93%) : $385,210
July 20, 2011: Grand Prairie, Texas : Verizon Theatre : 6,018 of 6,018 (100%) : $339,330
July 21, 2011: Houston, Texas : Live Reliant Arena : 6,790 of 6,790 (100%): $380,170
July 22, 2011: New Orleans, La. : Lakefront Arena : 5,525 of 5,525 (100%) : $326,525
July 24, 2011: Orlando, Fla.: Amway Center : 10,791 of 11,296 (96%) : $564,395

For this Report
Number of Dates Reported: 5
Number of Sell-Outs: 3 (60%)
Total Tickets Sold: 35,034
Total Tickets Available: 37,020
Percentage of Tickets Sold: 97%

Total Revenue: $1,995,630
Average Revenue Per Concert: $399,126
Average Tickets Sold Per Concert: 7207
Average Ticket Price: $55.38
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Total To Date:
Number of Dates Reported: 14
Number of Sell-Outs: 6 (43%)
Total Tickets Sold: 109,999
Total Tickets Available: 113,905
Percentage of Tickets Sold: 97%

Total Revenue: $6,052,930
Average Revenue Per Concert: $432,352
Average Tickets Sold Per Concert: 7857
Average Ticket Price: $55.03


Last week’s report

  • McCreerian

    I just continue to be amazed at the differences between this year and last year with the concerts. It’s like night and day. Was season 9 really that bad of a season? Or did the economy have a lot to do with it?

  • Kirsten

    Because people are always trying to compare seasons, I thought I would extract the stats for tour dates to similar states (I could do the first N concerts, but because they start in different parts of the country, I don’t think that is all that accurate. The North East always has the biggest concerts).

    Of course, this leads to unequal number of concerts and some odd beasties (for instance, Hawaii was only visited for one tour), so I added some extra states by region if we are not going to visit those states on this tour:

    For the same States (+CO, ID, NV, HI):
    S1: 13 concerts : 116,686 tickets (85%) : $3,563,043 (1 sell-out)
    S2: 13 concerts : 102,238 tickets (74%) : $3,992,085 (2 sell-outs)
    S3: 14 concerts : 68,853 tickets (63%) : $3,150,235 (3 sell-outs)
    S4: 13 concerts : 105,838 tickets (89%) : $4,629,460 (2 sell-outs)
    S5: 14 concerts : 150,048 tickets (94%) : $8,110,570 (1 sell-out)
    S6: 16 concerts : 107,928 tickets (66%) : $6,562,962 (0 sell-outs)
    S7: 17 concerts : 154,231 tickets (86%) : $9,427,992 (1 sell-out)
    S8: 15 concerts : 137,719 tickets (81%) : $8,627,621 (0 sell-outs)
    S9: 5 concerts: 28,089 tickets (51%) : $1,253,070 (0 sell-outs)

    If we normalized the concerts to be 14 (using the ratio):
    S1: 125,662 tickets; $3,837,123
    S2: 110,102 tickets; $4,299,168
    S3: 68,853 tickets; $3,150,235
    S4: 113,979 tickets; $4,985,572
    S5: 150,048 tickets; $8,110,570
    S6: 94.437 tickets; $5,742,592
    S7: 127,014 tickets; $7,764,229
    S8: 128,538 tickets; $8,052,446
    S9: 78,649 tickets; $3,508,596

    Of course, there is still the variability of hometown concerts.

  • Kirsten

    Was season 9 really that bad of a season? Or did the economy have a lot to do with it?

    It was probably a perfect storm of both. We know that touring was bad last year (the Billboard article on concerts that MJ posted today mentions it), but none of the numbers from S9 were promising so it was more than just a bad year for concerts.

    Ratings were the lowest its been in years. Coronation singles that went nowhere. Crappy tour results. Winner had the lowest selling debut week of any winner or runner-up. Debut singles had little traction.

  • Valentin432

    Great numbers, there’s no doubt about it but I can’t help wonder about some squandered opportunities here.

    It’s been clear for months now that TPTB planned for deep cuts in AI10 after the fiasco that was S9 but they should maybee have moved some dates to bigger venues or at least released more tickets in others when it was clear the demand was high.

    As it is, there’s no way the AI10 tour could have sold more tickets but it’s not generating the same revenue as the S5, S7 and S8 tour did.

    19 or XIX or whoever is making those decisions needs to do a better job evaluating the demand for the AI tour.

  • girlygirl

    Because this tour is drawing so well, it’s too bad AEG didn’t book bigger venues — it would have been interesting to see what % they’d be drawing if they were playing 10-15K capacity venues. Probably not 97%, but I would guess they would have been at 80+%

  • springboard

    I suppose that this is the number thread for the day, and the place to ask (sorry if it’s not). What is happening with Mediabase? It looks like the domain mediabase.com isn’t registered to them anymore…

  • Kirsten

    What is happening with Mediabase? It looks like the domain mediabase.com isn’t registered to them anymore…

    Temporary glitch? I can see the pages now. Or has the ownership be transferred to another company? I don’t understand the quesiton.

    In other news, I found a fun web page that displays visually how much an artist has to sell each month to make a salary of $1,160/month (if we ignore all the management fees, etc).


    How Much do Artists Make Online

    You don’t have to sell all that many self-pressed CDs to make that salary (just 143), but you have to get a monstrous number of spins on Spotify to earn the same income (over 4million).

  • Pam

    springboard is right about the Mediabase chart. If you do a search to get the 1-40 chart on any format, then this is what you get when you click on this link:

    http://www.mediabase.com/mmrweb/insideradio/charts.asp?format=1&showyear=y&dpt=n

    As far as I know, it wasn’t doing that before today. Of course you can still get access to the chart at All Access as always.

  • Jae

    Yay Texas! Yes, I went to the Dallas/Grand Praire show. It was totally packed. No empty seats around. I think this crew could pack slightly bigger venues. Easily inthe 7-8 thousand range. But glad the concert promoters chose venues that they could fill. Nothing as discouraging as empty seats.

  • Pam

    18 18 SCOTTY MCCREERY I Love You This Big 2888 2862 26 19.013

    -21 Spins
    -16 Bullet
    +0.138 AI

    All Stations
    18 18 SCOTTY MCCREERY I Love You This Big 4706 4651 55 25.223

    ETA: The peeps at Pulse are just confirming what was posted here about the domain name.

  • Kirsten

    Because this tour is drawing so well, it’s too bad AEG didn’t book bigger venues — it would have been interesting to see what % they’d be drawing if they were playing 10-15K capacity venues. Probably not 97%, but I would guess they would have been at 80+%

    It’s interesting, because they are drawing very well. Here is a city by city comparison:

    Oklahoma City, Okla.:
    S2: 4,496
    S7: 6,376
    S10: 6,910 of 7,391 (93%)

    Grand Prairie, Texas :
    S3: 2,695
    S4: 6,013
    S5: 6047×2
    S10: 6,018 of 6,018 (100%)

    Houston, Texas :
    S1: 6,560
    S2: 5,196
    S5: 7,088
    S6: 5,529
    S7: 8,720
    S10: 6,790 of 6,790 (100%)

    New Orleans, La.
    S3: 4,891
    S10: 5,525 of 5,525 (100%)

    Orlando, Fla.
    S2: 8,142
    S10: 10,791 of 11,296 (96%)

    When not selling out, they sold more than previous years. S4/S5 stats from Idol Stages (before the takedown).

  • larc

    springboard says:
    What is happening with Mediabase? It looks like the domain mediabase.com isn’t registered to them anymore…

    I’m not getting charts or add boards, nothing in the Mediabase domain. Data is still available through All Access, but I don’t like their setup as well. I hope it’s something that will be cleared up soon.

  • Kirsten

    springboard is right about the Mediabase chart. If you do a search to get the 1-40 chart on any format, then this is what you get when you click on this link:

    What are you getting? I clicked on the link and got the usual Top 40 chart for Thursday, July 28th.

    BTW I notice that Houston finally broke and played Scotty (he’s getting spins on all 135 stations).

    ETA

    I’m not getting charts or add boards, nothing in the Mediabase domain

    Strange. I get all those things. Maybe they are blocking access in the US? I hope not. They’ll soon figure out how to block it for everybody. We’ve seen them restrict access that used to be free before. Hopefully, it is just a glitch (or some crazed hacker…probably an Idol fan) who has it in for Mediabase and is causing trouble this morning.

  • jpfan

    The tour is doing really well. Not surprising but I wonder how this will translate to music sales. Obviously, it will all depend on the quality of the music but it already looks like Scotty has a decent fanbase that should give him some good sales. I’m not sure about anyone else.

  • Tess

    I am absolutely certain that the team responsible for this season’s idol tour was shell shocked and gun shy after last year’s more than horrendous tour results and consequently were really conservative in their set-up for the tour.

    And it sounds good to just “supersize” once tickets start selling but it isn’t always as easy as it sounds. Even venues that can be enlarged face some pretty heavy obstacles like upgrading staff, getting food service to commit, hiring more security. And face it….who is really going to buy those cheap seats in the rafters and to the side when all is said and done.

    And to bring back a happy face…I think it is vitally important for AI the Tour to have a good track record of sell-outs and seats filled….that bodes well for next year.

  • swish5

    It was probably a perfect storm of both. We know that touring was bad last year (the Billboard article on concerts that MJ posted today mentions it), but none of the numbers from S9 were promising so it was more than just a bad year for concerts.

    S9 was also last year for RCA/19 (lack of commitment), departure of Simon Cowell, and Nigel’s strategy to knock S9….

    S9 was ok for Lee – E Online: American Idol’s Lee DeWyze Is Engaged “It looks like Lee DeWyze’s life is on a constant high.”

  • larc

    Kirsten says:
    Maybe they are blocking access in the US?

    It doesn’t look like that. Going to http://www.mediabase.com/ gets a Network Solutions page with links to backorder or renew the domain Mediabase.com.

    UPDATE: It’s all back now!!! :)

  • Pam

    CHR/Pop
    52 48 JASON ALDEAN/KELLY CLARKSON Don’t You Wanna Stay 506 464 42 1.779

    HAC
    10 10 JASON ALDEAN/KELLY CLARKSON Don’t You Wanna Stay 2505 2676 -171 14.35
    31 33 DAVID COOK Last Goodbye 589 572 17 1.631

    AC (through #41)
    8 8 JASON ALDEAN/KELLY CLARKSON Don’t You Wanna Stay 1024 931 93 9.019
    29 24 JOSH GRACIN Long Way To Go 109 79 30 0.223
    24 31 MATTHEW MORRISON Summer Rain 74 117 -43 0.265
    38 34 DAVID COOK Last Goodbye 52 31 21 0.381

    Country
    9 7 BRAD PAISLEY/CARRIE UNDERWOOD Remind Me 4472 4102 370 29.442
    18 18 SCOTTY MCCREERY I Love You This Big 2888 2862 26 19.013
    35 33 KELLIE PICKLER Tough 786 689 97 3.919
    47 43 LAUREN ALAINA Like My Mother Does 381 318 63 1.891

    Urban
    27 26 JENNIFER HUDSON No One Gonna Love Yo… 821 755 66 3.876

    Urban AC
    11 12 FANTASIA Collard Greens & Cor… 896 963 -67 4.168
    16 14 JENNIFER HUDSON No One Gonna Love Yo… 820 688 132 5.065
    39 38 JENNIFER HUDSON Don’t Look Down 83 91 -8 0.871
    41 51 KEKE WYATT Saturday Love f/Rube… 52 83 -31 0.153

    Rhythmic
    25 18 TYGA Far Away f/Chris Ric… 1732 1460 272 7.46

    Christian AC
    9 11 MANDISA Stronger 896 929 -33 3.679
    25 32 CHRIS SLIGH One 187 225 -38 0.604

    Canada-Main AC
    10 10 JASON ALDEAN/KELLY CLARKSON Don’t You Wanna Stay 223 221 2 1.487

    Canada-Country
    5 5 BRAD PAISLEY/CARRIE UNDERWOOD Remind Me 706 665 41 2.43
    17 17 SCOTTY MCCREERY I Love You This Big 411 426 -15 1.255

  • Kirsten

    Nigel’s strategy to knock S9….

    Nigel has nothing to do with ticket sales last year. He wasn’t brought back on-board Idol until after concerts were getting cancelled. Nigel not letting Lee sing on the finale did not cause his album to tank. It had already tanked and one performance wasn’t going to save it.

    I will agree that Simon’s apparent strategy of sabotaging the show while he was still on it and pimping people he had to have known were unlikely to be successful probably did contribute to S9′s dismal numbers.

  • Pam

    As far as the addboard goes, when you do the Google search, you will of course see several lists of links. You can get the addboard to come up (I just did). It’s just a matter of knowing which link to click on. lol

  • Pam

    I posted this late last night, but just in case no one saw it:

    2W/LW/TW/Artist Name/Album Title/TW Sales % CHG Total
    2 3 1 ADELE 21 77130 1 2750250
    - – 2 * KIDZ BOP KIDS KIDZ BOP 20 68717 999 68765
    - – 3 * 3 DOORS DOWN TIME OF MY LIFE 59807 999 60031
    1 5 4 BEYONCE 4 53468 -26 551654
    - – 5 * DJ KHALED WE THE BEST FOREVER 52914 999 53086
    - 1 6 SHELTON*BLAKE RED RIVER BLUE 46975 -60 163452
    - – 7 * 311 UNIVERSAL PULSE 46024 999 46294
    4 7 8 ALDEAN*JASON MY KINDA PARTY 43293 2 1577419
    - – 9 * WINEHOUSE*AMY BACK TO BLACK 37332 999 2333328
    3 10 10 SELENA GOMEZ & THE SCENE WHEN THE SUN GOES DOWN 28473 -12 183363

    8 13 12 LADY GAGA BORN THIS WAY 26817 7 1622219

    6 12 16 EVANCHO*JACKIE DREAM WITH ME 21475 -16 352958

    14 16 24 PAISLEY*BRAD THIS IS COUNTRY MUSIC 15583 -17 378546

    19 20 26 MCCREERY*SCOTTY AMERICAN IDOL SEASON 10: SCOTT 14347 -17 85960

    22 32 33 ADELE 19 12720 3 1262159

    27 33 45 VARIOUS NOW COUNTRY 4 9341 -22 93661

    - 62 50 * ADELE ITUNES FESTIVAL: LONDON 2011 – 8745 15 16370

    36 48 52 SHELTON*BLAKE LOADED: THE BEST OF BLAKE SHEL 8402 -10 362089

    - – 57 * WINEHOUSE*AMY FRANK 7630 999 288849

    26 57 73 COOK*DAVID THIS LOUD MORNING 6276 -23 72339

    74 83 75 LOPEZ*JENNIFER LOVE? 6041 2 229745

    82 92 76 LADY GAGA FAME 6033 9 4266437

    38 69 95 DURBIN*JAMES AMERICAN IDOL SEASON 10: JAMES 5151 -21 36979

    37 70 103 REINHART*HALEY AMERICAN IDOL SEASON 10: HALEY 4844 -26 35612

    35 74 109 ALAINA*LAUREN AMERICAN IDOL SEASON 10: LAURE 4654 -28 41815

    94 118 119 GLEE CAST GLEE: THE MUSIC,V6 4404 0 164376

    - – 152 * WINEHOUSE*AMY BACK TO BLACK: THE B-SIDES 3438 999 33693

    118 147 155 AEROSMITH BEST OF AEROSMITH-MILLENNIUM C 3397 -4 309503

    141 161 165 HUDSON*JENNIFER I REMEMBER ME 3216 -4 377034

    187 188 188 ALDEAN*JASON WIDE OPEN 2962 0 1445177

    168 194 193 GLEE CAST GLEE: THE MUSIC PRESENTS THE W 2873 -2 210754

  • Kirsten

    It doesn’t look like that. Going to http://www.mediabase.com/ gets a Network Solutions page with links to backorder or renew the domain Mediabase.com.

    I get the Mediabase Login page with a big ad for the Scripts’ new song. Must be something regional. Somebody forgot to update some router information somewhere?

  • LexieN

    BTW I notice that Houston finally broke and played Scotty (he’s getting spins on all 135 stations).

    This is wonderful!!! In my head, not that I had anything to do with anything, I’d given up on Houston:) Thanks for the info.!

  • sr4mjc

    The J.Scott G. song with Adam has been pulled from Itunes.

    (@jscottgofficial)
    7/28/11 9:23 AM
    So Live the Life got pulled down from iTunes… we don’t know why. We have a contract and endorsement from Adam…our lawyer is looking into it. :/

    http://fb.me/12riE5Vud

  • Elliegrll

    I will agree that Simon’s apparent strategy of sabotaging the show while he was still on it and pimping people he had to have known were unlikely to be successful probably did contribute to S9?s dismal numbers.

    I agree with what Kara said, the trouble started when tptb thought that Simon was trying to sabotage the season, so they took on a greater role during casting, and every time that they’ve done that we’ve ended up with contestant pool that’s not very diverse. The bad feelings between Simon and the producers spread to every aspect of the show, including the contestants, which made the season less fun to watch than previous ones.

    Bringing it back to numbers and the tour, the shows are supposed to be fun, and a reminder of the season, but if the season wasn’t fun to watch, why would people waste money going to a concert, even if it is something that they do every year.

  • Pam

    i-tunes

    Singles
    13. Dirt Road Anthem – Jason Aldean
    20. Remind Me (Duet with Carrie Underwood) – Brad Paisley
    22. Rehab – Amy Winehouse
    48. You Know I’m No Good – Amy Winehouse
    61. Don’t You Wanna Stay (with Kelly Clarkson) – Jason Aldean
    62. Back to Black – Amy Winehouse
    88. Valerie – Amy Winehouse
    92. I Love You This Big (American Idol Performance) – Scotty McCreery
    122. Bleeding Love – Leona Lewis
    140. My Kinda Party – Jason Aldean
    146. Dirt Road Anthem (Remix) [feat. Ludacris] – Jason Aldean
    154. Far Away (feat. Chris Richardson) – Tyga
    171. Whiskey Lullaby – Alison Krauss & Brad Paisley
    196. Old Alabama (feat. Alabama) – Brad Paisley
    203. Tears Dry On Their Own – Amy Winehouse
    230. She’s Country – Jason Aldean
    257. Big Green Tractor – Jason Aldean
    304. F**k Me Pumps – Amy Winehouse
    348. Love Is a Losing Game – Amy Winehouse
    352. Last Name – Carrie Underwood
    417. Loser Like Me (Glee Cast Version) – Glee Cast
    434. Valerie – Mark Ronson featuring Amy Winehouse
    440. A Moment Like This – Kelly Clarkson
    475. Stronger – Mandisa
    547. Before He Cheats – Carrie Underwood
    593. Rehab – Amy Winehouse
    612. Home – Daughtry
    616. Rehab (Remix) [feat. Jay-Z] – Amy Winehouse
    619. Stronger Than Me – Amy Winehouse
    640. Like My Mother Does (American Idol Performance) – Lauren Alaina
    661. Amarillo Sky – Jason Aldean
    666. Back to Black – Amy Winehouse
    738. The Truth – Jason Aldean
    753. Crazy Town – Jason Aldean
    763. Undo It – Carrie Underwood
    804. Someone to Watch Over Me (Demo) – Amy Winehouse
    809. Me & Mr. Jones – Amy Winehouse
    813. Then – Brad Paisley
    814. Don’t Stop Believin’ (Glee Cast Version) – Glee Cast
    819. Cowboy Casanova – Carrie Underwood
    825. She’s Everything – Brad Paisley
    833. Stitch By Stitch (The Voice Performance) – Javier Colon
    889. To Know Him Is to Love Him (Live) – Amy Winehouse
    901. Water – Brad Paisley
    902. How Great Thou Art – Carrie Underwood
    954. No One Gonna Love You – Jennifer Hudson
    1003. Tough – Kellie Pickler
    1019. Jesus, Take the Wheel – Carrie Underwood

    Albums
    2. Back to Black – Amy Winehouse
    7. Frank – Amy Winehouse
    14. My Kinda Party – Jason Aldean
    15. Back to Black – Amy Winehouse
    16. Back to Black: B-Sides – Amy Winehouse
    56. Frank (B-Sides) – Amy Winehouse
    61. This Is Country Music – Brad Paisley
    134. iTunes Festival: London – Amy Winehouse (Live) – Amy Winehouse
    162. Wide Open – Jason Aldean
    184. Frank – Amy Winehouse
    220. Glee: The Music Presents The Warblers – Glee Cast
    228. Dream With Me – Jackie Evancho
    253. Glee: The Music, Vol. 6 – Glee Cast
    283. Red River Blue – Blake Shelton
    285. Live Session (iTunes Exclusive) – Jason Aldean
    336. Loaded: The Best of Blake Shelton – Blake Shelton
    347. Glee: The Music, Vol. 5 – Glee Cast
    382. Glee: The Music, Vol. 1 – Glee Cast
    420. American Idol Season 10: Scotty McCreery – Scotty McCreery
    436. Glee: The Music, Vol. 4 – Glee Cast
    472. Jason Aldean – Jason Aldean
    499. This Loud Morning (Deluxe Version) – David Cook
    520. Some Hearts – Carrie Underwood
    564. Play On – Carrie Underwood
    592. Glee: The Music, Vol. 3 – Showstoppers (Deluxe Edition) – Glee Cast
    628. Michael Grimm – Michael Grimm
    678. American Saturday Night (Bonus Track Version) – Brad Paisley
    699. I Remember Me – Jennifer Hudson
    735. Glee: The Music, Vol. 2 – Glee Cast
    740. Leave This Town (Bonus Track Version) – Daughtry
    778. Matthew Morrison – Matthew Morrison
    820. Breakaway – Kelly Clarkson
    849. Carnival Ride – Carrie Underwood
    851. Glee: The Music, Journey to Regionals – EP – Glee Cast
    891. What If We Were Real – Mandisa
    978. Leave Your Hat On – Michael Grimm
    992. This Loud Morning – David Cook

  • sr4mjc

    122. Bleeding Love – Leona Lewis

    Any reason why? Was it on a show or anything? That’s unexpected.

  • swish5

    Kirsten – wow, thought we were agreeing it was a perfect storm.
    This year, AI made a great decision with selling singles during the season, originals for coronation song, earlier album release date.

    Lee has had a long summer tour and he is doing just fine.
    Slamming S9 only hurts Crystal now…

  • Elliegrll

    Slamming S9 only hurts Crystal now…

    I don’t think it’s slamming. It’s a fact that the tour was horrible, multiple dates were canceled, and some ticket prices were as low as $10. The ratings for the season were also low, and some episodes drew ratings that had not been seen since the first season.

    I think both Crystal and Lee have been hurt by how bad the season was perceived to be by those who watched and didn’t watch the show, but now, whether their careers are successful or not depends on them, and the decisions that they make about their careers. At this point, stating the facts about last year doesn’t help or hurt them.

  • tripp_ncwy

    Any reason why? Was it on a show or anything? That’s unexpected.

    She has a new single, Collide, coming out in Sept. & a new album coming out in Nov. It is probably just a reaction to that.

  • Kirsten

    Kirsten – wow, thought we were agreeing it was a perfect storm.

    I’m not changing what I’m saying. A perfect storm is created by many factors. Bad touring season in general and a flop of a season contributed to catastrophic tour results. Had the touring season been better, the tour results would merely have been terrible. Simon had a role to play in that, but he is not the only one to blame.

    This year, AI made a great decision with selling singles during the season, originals for coronation song, earlier album release date.

    AI started selling singles during the season in Season 6. Ruben did not have an original coronation song and sold over 286K copies his first week. Some years, the runner up and winner even had to try and sell the same single. Idols have sold more copies of cover songs they sang previous weeks after the finale than Lee did of his coronation single. It is yet to be seen how successful these earlier albums will be.

    Lee has had a long summer tour and he is doing just fine.
    Slamming S9 only hurts Crystal now…

    Her numbers suck too. I would like to think I’m influential enough that my slamming S9 effects anything, but I know that the five people who read my comment posts have probably already made up their minds.

  • girlygirl

    It’s unfortunate S9 gets slammed so badly, because I don’t think the talent was necessarily all that bad. But unless/until someone from that season has some real success (Top 20 single, album that sells well, wins award, etc.), it’ll likely continued to get slammed. It doesn’t help the perception of S9 that S10 has gotten raves.

    But speaking of S10, Pia’s single has fallen out of the Top 1000 on iTunes. Your move, Interscope…

  • Elliegrll

    The slams against Pia’s single remind me of the slams against LLWD. That was declared a flop too, especially after Z100 didn’t start playing it the week that they debuted it. And even when the started to spin it, for some reason people seemed to think that just because it fell down the Itunes charts that it couldn’t rise back up that same chart. LLWD is a great example of how airplay usually results in people buying a song, at the very least it’s an example that people aren’t going to buy a song if they don’t know that it exists.

  • Buffynut

    Elliegrll says:

    07/28/2011 at 11:32 am

    The slams against Pia’s single remind me of the slams against LLWD. That was declared a flop too, especially after Z100 didn’t start playing it the week that they debuted it. And even when the started to spin it, for some reason people seemed to think that just because it fell down the Itunes charts that it couldn’t rise back up that same chart. LLWD is a great example of how airplay usually results in people buying a song, at the very least it’s an example that people aren’t going to buy a song if they don’t know that it exists.

    How soon after LLWD’s release did it start moving up? Is This Time still in that same “window?”

  • Kirsten

    How soon after LLWD’s release did it start moving up? Is This Time still in that same “window?”

    The situation is different. I don’t think LLWD fell out of the Top 1000 for months. People were hacking away at it because it fell out of the top 100.

    LLWD had a slow start on radio, but not this slow. It did have an add date (Oct 12th).

    It was premiered on Sept 21 and sent to iTunes on the 24th. This Time was premiered on July 11th and on sale on the 14th or 15th on iTunes,

    By October 5th, LLWD already had an AI of 2.5M. We didn’t get daily updates back then, but by the 12th, it was already charting 45th on HAC (and 67 on Pop). That week, there was much concern because the song dropped out of the Top 100 on iTunes.

    Typically you need about 10M in AI to start supporting sales in the top 200 on iTunes (depending on the age of the song).

  • tinawina

    How soon after LLWD’s release did it start moving up? Is This Time still in that same “window?”

    Pia’s song doesn’t even have an adds date. She doesn’t have a window yet. She doesn’t even have a wall to put the window in. LOL

  • Elliegrll

    The situation is different. I don’t think LLWD fell out of the Top 1000 for months. People were hacking away at it because it fell out of the top 100.

    I don’t think that LLWD fell out of the top 300, but that didn’t stop people from pronouncing that it was dead, radio stations didn’t want to play it, and that people didn’t want to buy it. It was too soon to jump to those conclusions back then, and I think the same is true now.

    I do think it is worrisome that the song isn’t getting more airplay, but I don’t expect it to be selling well just because Pia is performing it in front of approximately 7,000 people a night.

  • girlygirl

    LLWD was a slow grower, but it was still doing better than This Time is doing as a comparable point after it’s release, at least in terms of sales. LLWD was released to iTunes in late Sept. 2009 — don’t remember the exact date, but it was on a Friday, so either Sept. 18 or Sept. 25. Anyway, I started tracking the song on iTunes on Sept. 28, and on that date it was #57 on iTunes and by Sept. 30 was up to #29. It then started sliding backwards and slid out of the Top 100 in mid-October. But it never really took a huge dive and by December it was back in the 20′s on iTunes. It then remained in the 15-29 range on iTunes (peaking at #15 several times) until March 31, 2010.

    As for radio charts, the week ending Oct. 18 was the first week I have tracking it — it was #55 on Pop and #41 on Hot AC for that week. The following week it was up to #33 on Hot AC. It broke Top 40 on Pop chart the week of Nov. 8 (#38) — so about 5-6 weeks after it was released. It went Top 20 on Hot AC the week of Nov. 22 but didn’t go Top 20 on Pop until the week of Jan. 31

    ETA – One difference between LLWD and This Time is that LLWD was getting solid Hot AC radio play, so the fact that it was a slow grower on POP wasn’t as big of a concern, although I do remember some panic on this board (and me getting overly defensive). This Time wasn’t sent to any format other than CHR (as far as we know) so it doesn’t have anything to fall back on if it doesn’t do well on CHR

    ETA2 – I didn’t note when LLWD went gold on my spreadsheet (guessing sometime in Dec. 2009) — it went platinum the first week of March 2010, so abt. 5 months after it was released

  • Buffynut

    Thanks, everyone! That gives some perspective. So, I would say, if Z100 doesn’t jump on this when Pia hits NYC, then it has a real problem. Until then, there is still hope for Pia? Although, no adds date is kind of weird, right?

  • springboard

    LLWD was the single from the reigning idol, and had the full idol promo behind it. Pia is a ninth place finisher, and probably not high profile in the mind of PDs, and may not be receiving as much push. I am not surprised that she has a slower start, and I think that it is too early to assess how well the song is doing.
    The iTunes position shows that Pia doesn’t have much of an idol fanbase, but it doesn’t mean that her single can’t do well if the long run if it catches on on radio.

  • Listening

    Does anyone know David’s official sales numbers for This Loud Morning week 4?

  • tinawina

    LLWD was a slow grower, but it was still doing better than This Time is doing as a comparable point after it’s release, at least in terms of sales.

    LLWD was being played on the radio, and was being pushed as well. That’s the difference.

    Although, no adds date is kind of weird, right?

    It’s not typical, but I don’t know if I would call it outright weird. If it still doesn’t have an adds date in a month I would call that weird.

    So, I would say, if Z100 doesn’t jump on this when Pia hits NYC, then it has a real problem.

    Well, maybe. I don’t know if everything should come down to Z100 jumping on the song in a big way. But I think if we don’t see some momentum after a target date has been set, or after the video is getting some regular airplay, then we will have a real problem.

    I actually think the song sold well its first week under the circumstances, so there’s probably some hope. I think the song is just okay but lots of songs I’m meh on do decently. Maybe this will be one of them.

    ETA: I totally agree with Elliegrll and springboard. All it would be selling to now is Idol fans, so that’s all her numbers right now are about. That has nothing to do with the long term possibilities for the song.

  • Elliegrll

    The iTunes position shows that Pia doesn’t have much of an idol fanbase, but it doesn’t mean that it can’t do well if the long run if it catches on on radio.

    This is what I continuously said about LLWD. Neither Kris or Pia had a huge hardcore AI fanbase, but so what? That doesn’t mean that people who aren’t idol fans, or who don’t buy anything that an idol releases, won’t like the song, or that the artists can’t still be successful.

  • halo9125

    So, I would say, if Z100 doesn’t jump on this when Pia hits NYC, then it has a real problem. Until then, there is still hope for Pia? Although, no adds date is kind of weird, right?

    I’ve read up on how Interscope promotes music, but I still don’t get it, lol. Something about a big push before a second single- I’m assuming they know what they’re doing- I think? I hope?

    I’m still hoping that promotion for “This Time” hasn’t really kicked in yet, and I agree that when the tour hits NYC THAT’S when the real push will start. I got an e-mail from Interscope Promo today with the same pic from the video shoot (the one we’ve all seen already, lol) – it states that the video is “coming soon”- now does that mean around August 12 when the Idols are appearing on Good Morning America? Or the 22-24th when the tour hits Long Island?

  • Elliegrll

    Does anyone know David’s official sales numbers for This Loud Morning week 4?

    The chart is on the first page of this thread.

    26 57 73 COOK*DAVID THIS LOUD MORNING 6276 -23 72339

  • http://twitter.com/cara_lee pj

    It’s not typical, but I don’t know if I would call it outright weird. If it still doesn’t have an adds date in a month I would call that weird.

    It seems weird to me, if they are going to push her in NY. Typically, they set add dates about a month in advance so they can start their campaigns to the PDs before the official add date. If NY is the plan, I would expect them to announce an add date soon. Actually, I would have expected them to have announced it already.

  • girlygirl

    I have said several times that it’s way too early to say Pia’s single is a flop. Until it gets an adds date and/or the video is released, people outside the Idol bubble won’t know much about her or the song, even if she is getting way more promo than the typical 9th place finisher. But I can’t see any way of spinning it’s current performance as a good start to her career. Hopefully the song will start to receive more airplay, which in turn will result in more exposure and better sales. If it is still struggling when the tour ends in mid-September, then that would be a problem.

  • Chicagolaw

    I would say, if Z100 doesn’t jump on This Time once the song has an adds date, and once it’s reached that date, then there is a problem.

  • springboard

    This is what I continuously said about LLWD. Neither Kris or Pia had a huge hardcore AI fanbase, but so what? That doesn’t mean that people who aren’t idol fans, or who don’t buy anything that an idol releases, won’t like the song, or that the artists can’t still be successful.

    It is not on the same scale though. LLWD went only down to #137 at its lowest. This Time is behaving like singles off older albums like IIHY or September when the fanbase has already got the track as part of the album. Both singles went back up once radio and video play kicked in, so it can be done.

  • Kirsten

    So, I would say, if Z100 doesn’t jump on this when Pia hits NYC, then it has a real problem. Until then, there is still hope for Pia? Although, no adds date is kind of weird, right?

    Pia could still have hope even if “This Time” does not. IDK what they are doing with the add date. They could have just put that single out there so she had something to talk about at all the radio stations, but she’s visiting a lot of major markets. An add date would encourage them to play the song. If they don’t have an add date by the time she hits New York and the North East it will be puzzling indeed.

    it states that the video is “coming soon”- now does that mean around August 12 when the Idols are appearing on Good Morning America? Or the 22-24th when the tour hits Long Island?

    Soon usually means in the middle of the afternoon. I don’t know sometimes why labels seem to be flying by the seat of their pants, but it appears they miss a lot of opportunities. Maybe other things fall through. But, suddenly, there will be the video (just check out what happened earlier this week with the much anticipated “Remind Me” video. Suddenly, it was just there).

    Anyway…if I were a label, I would release it when the kids are there for GMA? Have Pia go to some VH1 or MTV show to get an interview and provide an inscentive to play it. They have a gap tomorrow, they could send her off to NY to drop it (although, maybe they’ll let Scotty/Lauren get the press that day because they are in Nashville). Next time she has a break, she could get that video out there. But, don’t do it unless they are ready to push the song.

  • adolf_hipster

    Pia’s update:

    232 85 PIA TOSCANO This Time 72 6 66 0.218

  • Elliegrll

    It seems weird to me, if they are going to push her in NY. Typically, they set add dates about a month in advance so they can start their campaigns to the PDs before the official add date. If NY is the plan, I would expect them to announce an add date soon. Actually, I would have expected them to have announced it already.

    Aside from sending Pia out to radio interviews, we don’t know what Interscope is doing behind the scenes to promote her. The same is true with Lauren, whose song was pretty much stagnant for three or four weeks, so much so that it was removed from BDS/Billboard’s country chart.

    Maybe, Interscope is learning that radio stations aren’t just going to play a song just because someone was on AI.

  • Listening

    Elliegrll, Thanks for answering I totally missed that sales chart post. :P

  • Montavilla

    I’m still hoping that promotion for “This Time” hasn’t really kicked in yet, and I agree that when the tour hits NYC THAT’S when the real push will start.

    I’m confused about this strategy. Is this the strategy? Or just what we’re assuming is the strategy?

    I thought that hometown pride was muted in the big cities — since they produce other big names and have a more blasé attitude toward celebrity. Or is that just L.A.?

  • gangreen29

    I firmly beleive the problems from S9 are a result of no one behind the scenes having a rooting interest in the show surviving and thriving. When Nigel left 19 lost its voice in production. The show was being run day to day by Simon and Ken Warwick, who works for Fremantle which is part of the X Factor production. The season was cast around uncharismatic people who all seemed to have similar performing styles and whose singing quality was much below the idol standard.

  • halo9125

    I thought that hometown pride was muted in the big cities — since they produce other big names and have a more blasé attitude toward celebrity. Or is that just L.A.?

    One would think here in NYC we’re a bit more jaded- but demand for the Idols tour (and don’t get me wrong all, I’m not saying that this has everything to do with Pia) was large enough for them to add a second show at the Nassau Coliseum and I THINK at the Prudential Center in Newark- that’s 4 shows in what I would call the Tri-State area.

  • Valentin432

    IMO, Pia’s dropping off the Top 1000 is a bad sign even without radio airplay.

    There are many more ways to hear a song than radio nowadays, word of mouth is easily spread via social networking sites and she’s getting some exposure on tv.

    If you look at successfull songs charting on itunes, they first come up very high then they stabilize at a level that is above what their current level of radio airplay should maintain them.
    For instance, look at Remind Me, it has been charting in the 20′s on itunes for weeks now independently of the increasing radio airplay.

    It’s kind of a hidden mechanism here that is hard to quantify but that is becoming more and more relevant IMO.

    All that to say, This Time not stabilizing somewhere on itunes is a bad omen.

  • http://emuisemo.pbworks.com eilonwy

    There are many more ways to hear a song than radio nowadays, word of mouth is easily spread via social networking sites and she’s getting some exposure on tv.

    Thing is, for social networking to build sales, there has to be a network of Toscano fans who are spreading the word outside AI fandom.

    Unless her fandom is dramatically different from what I’ve seen for other Idol alum, AI fans tend to network with other AI fans — that is, with people who already know about the current crop of Idols and have formed opinions of them.

    That kind of loyal cadre can do some pushing on some of the social media tracked by Next Big Sound — e.g., play the song a lot on various music services — so that it gets a higher visible ranking that might be noticed by outsiders.

    But the kind of buzz that arguably successful artists like Bon Iver get without big singles comes from fans on more general music sites or with diverse non-fan social networks sharing broad music interests with one another. (Not “OMG, my fave musician is the best!” but “Yeah, musician X reminds me of Y and you might think he’s cool.”) That kind of word-of-mouth seems difficult for Idol alum to get their fans to generate. Without it, attracting new listeners does depend on mass media like radio.

  • Montavilla

    One would think here in NYC we’re a bit more jaded- but demand for the Idols tour (and don’t get me wrong all, I’m not saying that this has everything to do with Pia) was large enough for them to add a second show at the Nassau Coliseum and I THINK at the Prudential Center in Newark- that’s 4 shows in what I would call the Tri-State area.

    That’s pretty cool. I would have thought NYC would be, as you say, jaded. Maybe it helps that a number of Idol alumni have had successful Broadway runs. And that “theatrical” is no longer a dirty word in Idol land.

  • tinawina

    But the kind of buzz that arguably successful artists like Bon Iver get without big singles comes from fans on more general music sites or with diverse non-fan social networks sharing broad music interests with one another. (Not “OMG, my fave musician is the best!” but “Yeah, musician X reminds me of Y and you might think he’s cool.”) That kind of word-of-mouth seems difficult for Idol alum to get their fans to generate. Without it, attracting new listeners does depend on mass media like radio.

    I totally agree. I think that is part of that often repeated meme about the need to break out of “the bubble”… you need to get the regular music buying community to be interested before you can get that kind of chatter.

  • Elliegrll

    Those are great points eilonwy. The type of buzz that Iver has gotten has occurred naturally, and goes beyond just a handful of fans. The idol fan routine of continuously playing videos on a loop has never made any sense to me, and I’ve never figured out how fans think that it helps their favorite. PDs aren’t going to take someone seriously, when they see that the video for their song has a million views, but the song itself has barely sold 50K copies. The Youtube loops go hand in hand with fans who promote their favorite artist by tweeting to other hardcore fans, who also like and follow that artist. It’s really not accomplishing a whole lot. The sales of WWFM and LLWD stabilized when people outside of Kris and Adam’s hardcore fan base became aware of those songs.

    Valentin432 , at this point, you are referring to sales that would be due to idol fans. We know that Pia doesn’t have a big AI fanbase, but that doesn’t mean anything.

  • gferna

    Are we going to have an Adam Lambert thread tomorrow?
    Yes!

    Oh, Thanks…

  • Pam

    CHR/Pop
    65 67 TYGA Far Away f/Chris Richardson 165 165 0 0.414
    232 85 PIA TOSCANO This Time 72 6 66 0.218
    86 93 SANTANA Photograph f/Chris Daughtry 66 69 -3 0.290
    91 132 JORDIN SPARKS I Am Woman 29 61 -32 0.044
    282 140 KELLY CLARKSON Let Me Down 23 4 19 0.076
    125 166 GLEE CAST Friday 13 30 -17 0.031
    143 185 JAVIER COLON Stitch By Stitch 10 20 -10 0.020
    180 195 KRIS ALLEN Heartless 8 11 -3 0.040

  • mmb

    FYI. Whoever asked re Bleeding Love shooting up iTunes chart – it’s a 69 cent sale song

  • halo9125

    FYI. Whoever asked re Bleeding Love shooting up iTunes chart – it’s a 69 cent sale song

    LOL -funny thing is I heard it being played in the supermarket yesterday and realized that I never downloaded- so I did- but I paid $1.29!

  • HotHotHot

    Idol Chatter

    Brad Paisley & Carrie Underwood, Remind Me (59,000 last week, -8%, 451,000 overall)
    Jennifer Lopez feat. Pitbull, On the Floor (51,000, -6%, 2.837 million)
    Jennifer Lopez feat. Lil Wayne, I’m Into You (31,000, +34%, 259,000)
    Jason Aldean & Kelly Clarkson, Don’t You Wanna Stay (27,000, -1%, 1.503 million)
    Scotty McCreery, I Love You This Big (22,000, -6%, 441,000)
    Mandisa, Stronger (5,000, -2%, 88,000)

    http://content.usatoday.com/communities/idolchatter/index

  • car3278sweet

    The season (S9) was cast around uncharismatic people who all seemed to have similar performing styles and whose singing quality was much below the idol standard.

    Ooooookay.

    Crystal? Her singing quality was below… um… Kris? Ah… Lauren? Not saying that both aren’t very good singers. But to say Crystal’s is below them. Uh. NO.

    Similar performing styles? Well, gosh. Siobhan certainly is similar to Tim Urban. And I can totally see the similar styles of Big Mike and Crystal. Totally.

    Um. NO.

    Uncharismatic? Yes. I agree. I would say the sexiness/draw of Ruben Studard is far above Casey James. Absolutely.

    Um. NO.

    I am mildly tired of the meme that because Simon was leaving, there was no Nigel, Ken is an idiot and there was “a weird vide” per Ryan Seacrest.. that suddenly and absolutely …………………………….. all the contestants from S9 are so awful, so horrible, so incredibly awful compared to every other AI contestant.

    Seriously?

    cough

    But I still flove you, gangreene29. And yes. Even after you dissed my special snowflake. LOL

  • Elliegrll

    Season 9 didn’t have the worst contestants talent wise, but they didn’t work well as a group. It is an exaggeration to say that they all had the same performance style, but last year is the first time that I saw pretty much everyone in the top 24 have some of the same problems. I would say it’s because none of them had professional experience, but that’s not totally true.