Idols In Concert – Stats – 07/21/11

I’m doing my Snoopy Happy Dance over here! Not only did we get a SoundScan leak of the BB200 (thanks Pam and jpfan for bringing them over!), but we got the first 9 dates of the S10 Idol Tour! WooHoo! 3 Sell-outs already and an average of 96% tickets sold. Over $4M in ticket revenue alone. Woo! and Hoo! It’s like Christmas came 6 months early for the number fans. Thanks AEG Live for taking back control of the tour and reporting stats. Thanks S10 Idols for selling enough tickets that 19 wants to report them!

Stats for Jordin Sparks, Blake Shelton and Mathew Morrison too.

American Idol Live Tour Season 10:
July 6, 2011 : West Valley City, Utah : Maverik Center : 6,251 of 6,616 (94%): $351,295
July 8, 2011 : Everett, Wash : Comcast Arena : 7,887 of 7,887 (SOLD-OUT) : $435,295
July 9, 2011 : Portland, Ore. : Rose Garden : 8,695 of 9,044 (96%) : $467,635
July 11, 2011 : Sacramento, Calif. : Power Balance Pavilion : 10,056 of 10,527 (96%) : $531,060
July 12, 2011 : Oakland, Calif. : Oracle Arena : 7,836 of 8,510 (92%) : $428,155

July 13, 2011 : San Jose, Calif. : HP Pavilion : 9,623 of 10,162 (95%) : $513,515
July 15, 2011 : Los Angeles, Calif : NOKIA Theatre L.A. Live : 6,537 of 6,537 (SOLD-OUT) : $374,125
July 16, 2011 : Ontario, Calif. : Citizens Business Bank Arena : 7,845 of 7,845 (SOLD-OUT) : $464,985
July 17, 2011 : Phoenix, Ariz. : U.S. Airways Center : 9,235 of 9,757 (95%) : $491,235

Number of Dates Reported: 9
Number of Sell-Outs: 3 (33%)
Total Tickets Sold: 73,965
Total Tickets Available: 76,885
Percentage of Tickets Sold: 96%

Total Revenue: $4,057,300
Average Revenue Per Concert: $450,811
Average Tickets Sold Per Concert: 8218
Average Ticket Price: $54.85

Ticket Prices: $65, $45 / $69, $49, Promoter: AEG Live

Other Concerts
19 NKOTBSB, Jordin Sparks, Ashlyne Huff
Philips Arena; Atlanta, Ga.
June 22, 201: $902,678 : 12,495 of 12,495 (SOLD-OUT): $93.50, $33.50

21 Brad Paisley, Blake Shelton, Jerrod Niemann, Sunny Sweeney, Edens Edge, The JaneDear Girls
Comcast Center; Mansfield, Mass.
July 16, 2011; $791,457 ; 18,787 of 18,787 (SOLD-OUT); $65, $25

24 NKOTBSB, Matthew Morrison
Rexall Place; Edmonton, Alberta
July 12, 2011; $701,153 ; 9,628 of 13,707 (70%); $92.67, $30.54

26 Brad Paisley, Blake Shelton, Jerrod Niemann, Sunny Sweeney, Edens Edge, The JaneDear Girls
PNC Bank Arts Center; Holmdel, N.J.
July 15, 2011; $697,345 ; 16,012 of 16,012 (SOLD-OUT); $65, $25

  • Kirsten

    How is S10 doing compared to S9? Better.

    We only got 11 concert reports from last year and here are those stats:

    Number of Dates Reported: 11
    Number of Sell-Outs: 0
    Total Tickets Sold: 62,908
    Total Tickets Available: 103,895
    Percentage of Tickets Sold: 61%

    Total Revenue: $3,182,811
    Average Revenue Per Concert: $289,346
    Average Tickets Sold Per Concert: 5,719
    Average Ticket Price: $50.59

    Biggest Attendance: 7,872 : Philadelphia, PA
    Smallest Attendance : 4,013 : Portland, Ore
    Smallest Percentage : 39 % : The Woodlands, Texas
    Biggest Percentage : 89% : Uncaseville, Conn
    Largest Revenue : $371,208 : Toledo, Ohoi
    Smallest Revenue : $178,469 : Portland, Ore

  • girlygirl

    Not at all surprised that S10 tour is doing better than S9 one. How is it doing so far compared to the earlier Idol tours that we have numbers for?

  • gangreen29

    So basically season 10 is already smoking season 9. Can we start admitting that season 9 was some horrible aberration?

  • McCreerian

    This is awesome! Are these smaller venues than usual? If so, they should have used larger venues.

    But look at the Portland dates side by side:
    2011-8,695
    2010-4,013

    Wow.

  • idolhound2011

    So full of BS. people know that there was a problem with the price of tickets going up. there was a lot of concerts canceling.There was a big problem with Ticket Master. This is just bashing season 9 because Idol is trying to get past Simon leaving. Idol was getting old before Simon left. So get off your high horse its still old. I will not be surprised if this is IDOLS LAST YEAR 2012.

  • tigervixxxen

    Yes many of the venues are smaller, for example this year they used the Nokia and not the Staples Center.

  • Kirsten

    Not at all surprised that S10 tour is doing better than S9 one. How is it doing so far compared to the earlier Idol tours that we have numbers for?

    It’s always tough to compare because venues change each season. Even when they are in the same venue, the size changes. Days of the week can also make a difference. As can home town concerts. What do you want compared? First 9 concerts? Concerts in the same region? Concerts in the same venues? Tickets sold? Revenue? Percentage sold?

    As a quick and dirty comparison, here are the percentage of tickets sold each season:
    Season 1: 82% 30 Concerts, 5 Sell-outs, $8.1M
    Season 2: 85% 41 Concerts, 17 Sell-Outs, $15.5M
    Season 3: 60%, 49 Concerts, 3 Sell-Outs, $11.3M
    Season 4: 90%, 43 Concerts, 12 Sell-Outs, $17.4M
    Season 5: 96%, 59 Concerts, 20 Sell-Outs, $35.3M
    Season 6: 68%, 42 Concerts, No Sell-Outs, $17M (10 concerts missing)
    Season 7: 85%, 52 Concerts, 8 Sell-Outs, $29.3M
    Season 8: 86%, 52 Concerts, 8 Sell-Outs, $30.1M
    Season 9: 61%, 11 Concerts, No Sell-outs, $3.2M (9.6M for all the concerts according to USA today)
    Season 10: 96%, 9 Concerts, 3 Sell-Outs, $4.1M

    The big revenue locations tend to be the South and North East. S8 Little Rock, AR raked in a staggering $820,823, but S5 Greensboro, NC had the largest ticket sales in AI history.

  • girlygirl

    I guess the percentage of tickets sold and the average price of the tickets would be the easiest things to compare throughout the different seasons? Since the size of many of the venues this season are smaller than they have been on past tours, it might not make sense to look at the total revenue.

    No matter the size of the venues, that 96% capacity is quite impressive

    ETA – It seems like the homecoming stop for the winner is usually one of the most successful dates on the tour. Any way we can get a list of the dates that would be considered the winner’s “homecoming show” and see how those stops did? I know Raleigh, NC will be considered Scotty’s “homecoming” and I think they are playing a pretty big venue for that stop.

  • girlygirl

    Also, Kirsten, can we get video of you doing your Snoopy Happy Dance? :)

  • soverymel

    I guess the percentage of tickets sold and the average price of the tickets would be the easiest things to compare throughout the different seasons?

    IDK I think the total number of tickets sold is also relevant info.

  • McCreerian

    I will not be surprised if this is IDOLS LAST YEAR 2012.

    Ha, I still remember when people thought Season 10 would be idol’s last year. In fact, ever since Season 6 there were always people speculating that the next season would be “the last season.” Well guess what? Its still a ratings monster, its still the number 1 rated show on TV, and the concerts are selling out. Its not ending anytime soon. The ratings would have to be well below 6 million before they even THINK about canceling.

  • artemis

    Last year was a bad year for touring in general-the economy was a mess and lots of artists canceled their tours. Rolling Stone did a feature on the problem.
    The Idols were booked in large arenas they had no hope of filling. It is ridiculous to compare percentages when the Idols are booked in smaller venues this year.
    I’m curious if Idol is spending more advertising the tour-I’ve sure seen a lot of TV ads for it this year.

  • SajiNoKami

    I read some other random place s5 was the biggest concert.
    Only been to s9 and the attendance was decent, be interesting to see the same venue for s10.. I think ai uses the same venue every year in minnesota.

    ETA:
    I lied seasons 1-6 were in St Paul, xcel i am guessing, cap 13,000.
    7-10 are in Minneapolis, Target center, cap. 13,000 – 18,000, depending on arrangement.

  • Valentin432

    We have a number of venues that are the same as previous seasons:

    July 9, 2011 : Portland, Ore. : Rose Garden : 8,695 of 9,044 (96%) : $467,635

    S5: 92%
    S6: 52.6%
    S7: 86%
    S8: 81,7%
    S9: 73.7%

    July 11, 2011 : Sacramento, Calif. : Power Balance Pavilion : 10,056 of 10,527 (96%) : $531,060

    (previously named ARCO Arena)

    S5: 96%
    S6: 75.7%
    S7: 82.1%
    S8: 94.9%
    S9: Not reported

    July 12, 2011 : Oakland, Calif. : Oracle Arena : 7,836 of 8,510 (92%) : $428,155

    S8: 67.5%

    July 13, 2011 : San Jose, Calif. : HP Pavilion : 9,623 of 10,162 (95%) : $513,515

    S5: 94,7%
    S6: 86.4%
    S7: 100%
    S8: 86.6%

    July 16, 2011 : Ontario, Calif. : Citizens Business Bank Arena : 7,845 of 7,845 (SOLD-OUT) : $464,985

    S8: 97.7%

    July 17, 2011 : Phoenix, Ariz. : U.S. Airways Center : 9,235 of 9,757 (95%) : $491,235

    S9: Not reported

    I don’t have the entire boxscores, so the capacity in said venues may have changed from year to year.

  • Kirsten

    It is ridiculous to compare percentages when the Idols are booked in smaller venues this year.

    The Portland venue was the same both years. Even if you ignore percentage sold, total tickets and revenue are up.

  • larc

    Kirsten says:
    Season 8: 85%, 46 Concerts, 3 Sell-Outs, $27.3M

    S8 was the one with 8 sold out according to my records.

    S5 Greensboro, NC had the largest ticket sales in AI history.

    That was because of Chris Daughtry and Bucky Covington. Kirsten, do you by any chance have that figure? If Raleigh doesn’t beat it this year, I’m thinking it will be close.

    Getting so much data so soon is a bit of a surprise and is a big difference over last year. We’ll probably get them all this summer just as we did for S8. :)

  • Kirsten

    Alright, how is this for comparables…I took the concerts from the same regions for each season that have been reported for this season (so, West Coast, Arizona, Utah (and I threw Colorado in there because it seemed to fit the region)). Any mistakes are probably because I’m tired

    Season 1: 7 Concerts, 92% capacity, 67834 tickets, $2.0M
    Season 2: 5 Concerts, 85% capacity, 50113 tickets, $1.9M
    Season 3: 7 Concerts, 55% capacity, 33304 tickets, $1.5M
    Season 4: 7 Concerts, 90% capacity, 62155 tickets, $2.7M
    Season 5: 8 Concerts, 93% capacity, 95248 tickets, $5.0M
    Season 6: 10 Concerts, 69% capacity, 71864 tickets, $4.3M
    Season 7: 10 Concerts, 87% capacity, 92540 tickets, $5.7M
    Season 8: 11 Concerts, 82% capacity, 99694 tickets, $6.2M
    Season 9: 2 Concerts, 48% capacity, 9147 tickets, $0.42M
    Season 10: 9 Concerts, 96% capacity, 73965, $4.1M

  • Kirsten

    S8 was the one with 8 sold out according to my records.

    Which venues? I only have Little Rock, Duluth and Boston.

    That was because of Chris Daughtry and Bucky Covington.

    Wasn’t Pickler also from North Carolina (I swear, NC must have pulled ahead of Alabama by now)

    Kirsten, do you by any chance have that figure?

    I can because Ken Barnes posted in on Idol Chatter: 15,337

  • AC

    Wow, this is kinda surprising because I was at the Oakland show and it definitely did not look like it was 92% full. Most of the 2nd level was actually pretty empty and blacked off.

  • Kirsten

    Wow, this is kinda surprising because I was at the Oakland show and it definitely did not look like it was 92% full. Most of the 2nd level was actually pretty empty and blacked off.

    Venues change in size all the time…

    That can change the charge to rent the venue as well. Certainly, it makes a difference in staffing. In the Tacoma Dome, they actually push the back of the venue closer (the bleachers are all on moveable structures – the place is a total barn)

    92% of the tickets that the promoter says were offered for sale were sold. That’s what the percentage tells us.

    Take the Target Center in Minneapolis. Here is how “big” it was for the last 3 seasons:
    S7: 11,478
    S8: 11,119
    S9: 4,076

    It’s one of the reasons listed why comparing seasons is tough.

  • soverymel

    Take the Target Center in Minneapolis. Here is how “big” it was for the last 3 seasons:
    S7: 11,478
    S8: 11,119
    S9: 4,076

    Yikes. In cases like those, it renders the percentages kind of meaningless.

  • larc

    Kirsten says:
    Which venues? I only have Little Rock, Duluth and Boston.

    I have North Little Rock, Duluth, Boston, Bridgeport, Portland (ME), Providence, Syracuse and Manchester as being sold out for the S8 tour. I can send you my numbers for S8 if you want them.

    Wasn’t Pickler also from North Carolina

    Yes, you’re right. I forgot about her. There were 3 from NC on the tour that year.

    I can because Ken Barnes posted in on Idol Chatter: 15,337

    Thanks very much for that. RBC Center in Raleigh seats a little over 20K. I heard they had to reduce the area closed off several times and are now down to the bare minimum. It will be interesting to see how many turn out for Scotty’s home concert.

  • Trina

    Last year may have been bad overall for touring but did many other acts see ticket prices drop as low as $10? I don’t remember any other year that happening to Idol tour tickets.

    What’s even more impressive about the sales this year is that those pricey VIP packages sold out.

  • SajiNoKami

    Take the Target Center in Minneapolis. Here is how “big” it was for the last 3 seasons:
    S7: 11,478
    S8: 11,119
    S9: 4,076

    s9 did have the top area blacked off..
    still managed to get far away seats though :\

    looks like based on the map all the levels are open this year
    except behind the stage like usual

  • babyspock

    These are the first 11 for S8:
    July 5: Portland, Oregon: 9,537 of 11,680 (82%): $587,332
    July 7: Tacoma, Washington: 8,086 of 9,833 (82%): $516,756
    July 8: Vancouver, BC: 8,203 of 12,533 (65%): $536,828
    July 10: Sacramento, California: 10,937 of 11,527 (95%): $665,086
    July 11: Oakland, California: 8,459 of 12,525 (68%): $535,316
    July 12: San Jose, California: 10,391 of 12,004 (86.5%): $643,979
    July 14: West Valley City, Utah: 6,511 of 9,702 (67%): $419,540
    July 16: Los Angeles, California: 11,327 of 13,238 (86%): $646,070
    July 17: Ontario, California: 8,053 of 8,240 (98%): $546,744
    July 18: San Diego, California: 9,358 of 10,237 (92%): $595,294
    July 20: Glendale, Ariz: 8,832 of 10,710 (82%): $552,839
    All but 2 (San Diego and Vancouver) are at the same places (city/town) as the S10 concerts and every S8 concert had higher # of tickets sold and higher revenue.

    The 8 sold-out’s for s8 :
    Duluth, Little Rock, Boston, Manchester, Syracuse, Providence, Portland Maine and Bridgeport.

  • McCreerian

    S7: 11,478
    S8: 11,119
    S9: 4,076

    Dang.

  • idolfan92

    Well some of the venues went up from last year..for example, last year the Long Island show was moved from Nassau Coliseum to the smaller Jones Beach theatre..and this year it’s back to Nassau Coliseum. And there’s even 2 shows again in LI this year, just like in (been watching since Season 5) seasons 5-8.

    This is the first year since S5, however, that I’m not attending the concert.

  • Indigobunting

    I think % sold aren’t that meaningful either when they mess with the size of the arenas or change venues.

    Total tickets sold and revenue would be, since it appears ticket price is similar. Although are the VIP pkg new this year? If so, that would help boost revenue, although IDK that significantly.

    For example in Milwaukee, S8 it was at the Bradley Center, capacity 20k, where it is also this year (I think you would compare total tickets sold in these cases-I know it isn’t sold out, not sure if all seats are used); whereas last year S9 it was at Summerfest Marcus (capacity also 20k, but I think they roped some off and they also gave away tickets, a 2 for 1 deal near the end; so total revenue would be more appropriate).

  • Kirsten

    I have North Little Rock, Duluth, Boston, Bridgeport, Portland (ME), Providence, Syracuse and Manchester as being sold out for the S8 tour. I can send you my numbers for S8 if you want them

    Ugh! I shouldn’t do this late at night. Yes, it’s 8. I wasn’t looking at the tail end of the tour where they had 5 sell-outs in the last week. I’ll update my post.

  • Elliegrll

    So full of BS. people know that there was a problem with the price of tickets going up. there was a lot of concerts canceling.There was a big problem with Ticket Master. This is just bashing season 9 because Idol is trying to get past Simon leaving. Idol was getting old before Simon left. So get off your high horse its still old. I will not be surprised if this is IDOLS LAST YEAR 2012.

    AI isn’t going anywhere. For the first time in years the show saw its ratings increase last year, no other show comes close to attracting as many younger viewers as AI does, and it became a pop culture topic once again.

    The problem last year was not ticket master. Besides consisting of a cast of AI alums that people didn’t want to pay money to see, 19 used Live Nation instead of AEG, and Live Nation booked them into a bunch of venues that may not have been good fits for the normal AI crowd. Some of the venues were bigger than the ones that are being used this year, some were smaller, and some were the same size.

    I can’t be denied that season 9 was not a popular season, and that was reflected both in the ratings and concert attendance.

  • Jae

    I was at the show last night at the Verizon theater. I am pretty sure it was a sell out or near sellout. There were no ticket master tickets left and only a few on stub hub. I’m really happy the tour is going well this year. I’m only going to one show this year but I am really glad I went.

  • Jae

    idolhound2011 says:
    07/21/2011 at 1:33 am
    So full of BS. people know that there was a problem with the price of tickets going up. there was a lot of concerts canceling.There was a big problem with Ticket Master. This is just bashing season 9 because Idol is trying to get past Simon leaving. Idol was getting old before Simon left. So get off your high horse its still old. I will not be surprised if this is IDOLS LAST YEAR 2012.

    Sorry you are wrong. No offense to S9 but it was a bum year for the tour. They had to cut ticket prices practically to free to get them to sale and the audience apathy noted during the season was reflected in the tour attendance.

  • mickeybordentwo

    What stands out to me, in the year by year comparisons, is how much weaker the concert attendance is in years when African American women win. Since I view Season 2 from a Claycentric viewpoint, I assume its reasonably high percentage numbers are because of people wanting to see Clay (who definitely starred in the newspaper reviews) rather than African American Ruben.

    Leaving the nightmare that is Season 9 out of the equation, Idol audiences seem to favor white winners.

  • Kirsten

    All but 2 (San Diego and Vancouver) are at the same places (city/town) as the S10 concerts and every S8 concert had higher # of tickets sold and higher revenue.

    Tacoma would declare itself a different town than Everett and the Dome is bigger. Could Everett have sold an extra 199 tickets if it was bigger (it was sold-out before the finale)? Would Tacoma have sold more if it hadn’t been for the Vancouver concert? Is it fair to compare the S8 Tacoma concert when the capacity was 9833 to the S5 concert when the capacity was 14,424 in the same venue?

  • fgh8791

    I know in OKC hat the better arena was closed for upgrades and they used the older larger (twice the size of most) arena for the idols 10th show (not in stats yet) on the 19th. We were not sold out and most likely did not reach into the 90% (just guessing) because of the size of the venue. However the concert was so well received and has gotten great reviews. It was a real hit I’m OKC and I know of people that traveled down to Dallas for true show last night (7/20).

  • katielynne

    These venues are much smaller than those from previous years, except for season 9, so it’s extremely difficult to compare them as far as sell-outs.

  • Kirsten

    Total tickets sold and revenue would be, since it appears ticket price is similar.

    The higher priced tickets are cheaper and the lower price tickets are more expensive.

    In Season 7, tickets tended to be $68.50, $39.50
    In Season 8, tickets tended to be $69.50, $40.50
    In Season 9, tickets tended to be all over the place, but let’s say $70.50, $40.50 and ignore the fire sale prices they ended up using

    In Season 10, tickets are priced at $65, $45

    Although are the VIP pkg new this year?

    The VIP packages prices aren’t being mentioned. I wouldn’t be surprised if the accountants are reporting them under some other column (i.e. only $65 of the price is being accounted for in ticket sales). I imagine there would be a number of reasons for that.

    In addition to messing with the size of the venue, concert promoters can also mess with the mix of the tickets. A ticket that sold for the highest price one year can be sold for the lower price the next year.

    A quirk of selling a lot of tickets is that it tends to drive down the price of an average ticket down. Most people seem willing to spend the extra bucks to avoid sitting in the very back of the nosebleeds. So, the higher priced tickets tend to go first. It’s as you approach a sell-out that you sell more of your cheaper tickets. I think that’s why you’ll see the price of an average ticket bought in S3 be higher than that in S4.

    Here is the average price of a ticket per year:
    S1: $31.38
    S2: $38.16
    S3: $45.33
    S4: $44.29
    S5: $54.55
    S6: $60.67
    S7: $60.76
    S8: $62.19
    S9: $50.59
    S10: $54.85

    For example in Milwaukee, S8 it was at the Bradley Center, capacity 20k,

    That may be how big the venue is, but S8 reported it as being only 13,001. This year, the concert is in the Bradley Center again.

  • Allison

    I have North Little Rock, Duluth, Boston, Bridgeport, Portland (ME), Providence, Syracuse and Manchester as being sold out for the S8 tour. I can send you my numbers for S8 if you want them

    I don’t have the dates for Duluth & Little Rock. I appreciate the numbers for those also.

  • Tess

    Tour comparisons seem pretty silly to me since every year the dynamics of the tour are completely different. We never have the exact same itinerary, hometowns are different, tour stops widely differ in population, identical venues (from year to year) can be set up in wholly different configurations, the participant line-up differs from 10 widely popular idols, to heavily front-loaded with very small interest in the back end, the economy differs from year to year, days of the week differ, etc. etc.

    I can speak first hand to two cities…phoenix and Salt Lake. In phoenix the use of one venue as opposed to another will greatly affect turn-out. Use the one more centrally located and the turn-out will be better…who wants to drive across town (50 miles)…and in Salt Lake the audience will always be heavier if local idols are part of the bill.

    If I was a math wizard and could come up with a formula to “rate” the tours I would be some kind of genius. But based on what I know and what my common sense tells me Season 5 was the best year for touring and Season 9 the worst….after that it would just be a toss-up on how the seasons ranked.

  • Pam

    I was thrilled to see those Soundscan numbers yesterday. We don’t get those too often. Wow at the sellouts so early into the tour. That’s awesome!

  • Kirsten

    What stands out to me, in the year by year comparisons, is how much weaker the concert attendance is in years when African American women win. Since I view Season 2 from a Claycentric viewpoint, I assume its reasonably high percentage numbers are because of people wanting to see Clay (who definitely starred in the newspaper reviews) rather than African American Ruben.

    Leaving the nightmare that is Season 9 out of the equation, Idol audiences seem to favor white winners.

    I think that’s a big leap. S3, S6 and S9 were all called crappy seasons long before the winners were announced. S3, S6 and S9 led to large re-tooling of the shows.

    S4 introduced a new policy to ensure that enough men made the final 12 (believe it or not, but at one time, it was tough for men to get out of the semis and in S3 only 2 out of the 8 contestants to advance were male. The wildcard added 2 more for 4 out the 12 finalists. Males do seem to be a bigger draw on tour).

    S7 saw the introduction of instruments.

    S10 saw to a sweeping of the judging table, a new kinder-gentler tone, new format of the semis and restrictions on instruments.

    I don’t think the winners were the biggest factor and I don’t think that S3 would have sold more tickets if Diana would have won. I also don’t think you can throw out arguably the worst year for the tour when it’s one of only three bad tours. That’s throwing out 33% of your data. And the winner was white and male and severely effects the argument. And Ruben was enormously popular in his own right. He gets overshadowed by Clay, but if you look at his coronation sales/debut week sales numbers, he’s Alydar to Clay’s Affirmed (Alydar would have won the Triple Crown that year if Affirmed hadn’t have been there and lost by 1.5 lengths, a neck and then a nose).

  • Andy11

    There is no question that the tour is doing better this year than last year, even when taking the poor overall attendance of concerts last year into account. Last year was one of my favorites because I like Crystal, Lee, Casey J, and Siobhan, but more people are coming this year. I’m not sure I’m going to drink the Koolaid that 19 has been serving Stephano and conclude like he has that this will all make them superstars unlike their poor season 9 colleagues,

  • Pam

    Is this our numbers thread today as well? Yes?

    18 18 SCOTTY MCCREERY I Love You This Big 2862 2706 156
    18.789

    -5 Spins
    -40 Bullet
    -0.067

    All Stations
    18 18 SCOTTY MCCREERY I Love You This Big 4651 4444 207 24.764

  • Kirsten

    I don’t have the dates for Duluth & Little Rock. I appreciate the numbers for those also.

    31-Jul-09 Duluth, Ga. Arena at Gwinnett Center 10,050 10,050 (100%) $609,458 $69.50, $40.50

    25-Jul-09 North Little Rock, Ark. Verizon Arena 14,288 14,288 (100%) $820,823 $69.50, $40.50

  • Kirsten

    Is this our numbers thread today as well? Yes?

    Yes. Though, what’s with the depressing numbers? LOL. Hopefully it’s just resting this week.

  • tinawina

    These are great tour numbers! Congrats to Season 10!

    It looks like a really fun show. I would go myself if I wasn’t broke. :D

  • steph6449

    The Scotty train seems to be slowing some on radio although he’s still in a good range. I wonder how hard his label will push it when it seems they are picking up promo harder now for Lauren.

    Do they want the AI song to keep going on radio and really push hard to get it into the top 15 or top 12 (top 10?) range? Or do they want to say good enough and look ahead to getting out a new fresh single in time to support his album release in early fall. Will be interesting to watch, I guess. There’s not really much time to bring out a new one, if his comment about a possible September or October album proves correct.

  • babyspock

    Tacoma would declare itself a different town than Everett and the Dome is bigger. Could Everett have sold an extra 199 tickets if it was bigger (it was sold-out before the finale)? Would Tacoma have sold more if it hadn’t been for the Vancouver concert? Is it fair to compare the S8 Tacoma concert when the capacity was 9833 to the S5 concert when the capacity was 14,424 in the same venue?

    I consider both Everett and Tacoma Seattle. Just like Newark and Long Island are NYC.
    I think it’s fair to compare the S5′s and S8′s concert at Tacoma – S5′s was much more successful, not just at Tacoma but everywhere else.

  • steph6449

    Kellie’s song has settled in some also on the mediabase chart. Not bad, but not really exceeding what some of the other new / less high profile acts are doing in the #31-40 range.

    35 36 35 KELLIE PICKLER Tough BNA 689 649 40

  • Pam

    CHR/Pop
    45 32 MAROON 5 F/CHRISTINA AGUILERA Moves Like Jagger 1458 833 625 7.967

    HAC
    11 10 JASON ALDEAN/KELLY CLARKSON Don’t You Wanna Stay 2676 2713 -37 15.089
    31 22 MAROON 5 F/CHRISTINA AGUILERA Moves Like Jagger 909 576 333 4.455
    29 31 DAVID COOK Last Goodbye 572 592 -20 1.377

    AC (through #38)
    9 8 JASON ALDEAN/KELLY CLARKSON Don’t You Wanna Stay 930 842 88 8.056
    20 24 MATTHEW MORRISON Summer Rain 117 174 -57 0.342
    29 29 JOSH GRACIN Long Way To Go 79 71 8 0.082
    42 38 DAVID COOK Last Goodbye 31 30 1 0.626

    Country
    11 9 BRAD PAISLEY/CARRIE UNDERWOOD Remind Me 4102 3827 275 27.329
    18 18 SCOTTY MCCREERY I Love You This Big 2862 2706 156 18.789
    36 35 KELLIE PICKLER Tough 689 649 40 3.501
    48 47 LAUREN ALAINA Like My Mother Does 318 328 -10 1.692

    Urban
    29 27 JENNIFER HUDSON No One Gonna Love Yo… 755 770 -15 3.385

    Urban AC
    10 11 FANTASIA Collard Greens & Cor… 963 963 0 4.771
    17 16 JENNIFER HUDSON No One Gonna Love Yo… 688 649 39 3.817
    32 39 JENNIFER HUDSON Don’t Look Down 91 166 -75 0.944
    39 41 KEKE WYATT Saturday Love f/Rube… 83 90 -7 0.152

    Rhythmic
    26 25 TYGA Far Away f/Chris Ric… 1459 1279 180 6.419

    Christian AC
    6 9 MANDISA Stronger 929 966 -37 3.775
    23 25 CHRIS SLIGH One 225 286 -61 0.825

    Canada-CHR/Pop
    56 41 MAROON 5 F/CHRISTINA AGUILERA Moves Like Jagger 199 112 87 1.279

    Canada-HAC
    29 28 MAROON 5 F/CHRISTINA AGUILERA Moves Like Jagger 282 217 65 2.364

    Canada-Main AC
    14 10 JASON ALDEAN/KELLY CLARKSON Don’t You Wanna Stay 221 187 34 1.612
    57 44 MAROON 5 F/CHRISTINA AGUILERA Moves Like Jagger 31 22 9 0.836

    Canada-Country
    6 5 BRAD PAISLEY/CARRIE UNDERWOOD Remind Me 665 652 13 2.253
    19 17 SCOTTY MCCREERY I Love You This Big 426 417 9 1.186

  • tawny

    Do they want the AI song to keep going on radio and really push hard to get it into the top 15 or top 12 (top 10?) range? Or do they want to say good enough and look ahead to getting out a new fresh single in time to support his album release in early fall.

    Good question – I don’t see why they wouldn’t want to push it as far as possible up the charts. Scotty got passed by George Strait today which is expected but I hope the negative spin is only a one day thing.

    I thought he was supposed to be doing a radio tour. Dallas/Houston are the #5/#6 market and they haven’t added him. He’s in that area but no radio promo that I know of is going on.

  • TylerWV

    Season 3 gets a lot of negative comments and it was actually my second fav season, with season 4 being my fav, and Im white lol. Season 5 and season 10 were equally talented to me with season 6 the biggest snoozer for me overall.

  • windmills

    Scotty getting passed at Mediabase by George Strait is no big thing: George was already ahead of him on Billboard and also in Mediabase AIs. Also it’s King George, it’s a lead single, and no way would MCA Nashville (sister label to Mercury) hold back King George for Scotty.

    I think Mercury Nashville’s going to stick with ILYTB. Video is still to come. But another thing to keep in mind is Scotty’s single will probably not get pushed past his labelmate’s Billy Currington’s single Love Done Gone unless there’s a big Scotty event they want to get the song going for, like an album release (which is obviously months away). I expect today’s update was a one day blip that again relates to After Midnite play.

    But also it’s a little slow up top again. It looks like Chris Young is getting a push to hit #1 on Billboard and/or Mediabase this week. He’s #1 on the Billboard Real Time Tracker and not coincidentally, Remind Me (same label family – Chris is RCA, Brad/Carrie are Arista) is having a very slow week. Probably some syndicated spins being borrowed and stuff like that. The good news there is it means Dirt Road Anthem will probably drop soon and Tomorrow will drop next week so that should help get the chart moving for a fresh top 5. Zac Brown Band will be the next #1 for a couple weeks at least with Lady A to follow. Capitol Nashville’s been able to rescue Luke Bryan’s song unfortunately so we’re probably stuck with that one as a possible #1 contender after Lady A. Brad/Carrie’s 1st chance at #1 (if BNA doesn’t push Kenny’s song ahead of them) will probably be in 6 weeks or so but it could take longer.

    Kellie’s actually having a good week to recover from last week’s bad one.

  • Pam

    i-tunes

    Singles
    11. Dirt Road Anthem – Jason Aldean
    21. Remind Me (Duet with Carrie Underwood) – Brad Paisley
    33. Honey Bee – Blake Shelton
    36. Moves Like Jagger (Studio Recording from “The Voice” Performance) [feat. Christina Aguilera] – Maroon 5
    56. God Gave Me You – Blake Shelton
    64. Don’t You Wanna Stay (with Kelly Clarkson) – Jason Aldean
    80. I Love You This Big (American Idol Performance) – Scotty McCreery
    129. Forget You – Cee Lo Green
    135. My Kinda Party – Jason Aldean
    137. Bleeding Love – Leona Lewis
    143. Dirt Road Anthem (Remix) [feat. Ludacris] – Jason Aldean
    153. Old Alabama (feat. Alabama) – Brad Paisley
    159. Bright Lights Bigger City – Cee Lo Green
    162. Honey Bee – Blake Shelton
    174. This Time – Pia Toscano
    190. Far Away (feat. Chris Richardson) – Tyga
    204. Fool for You (feat. Melanie Fiona) – Cee Lo Green
    206. Whiskey Lullaby – Alison Krauss & Brad Paisley
    222. F**k You – Cee Lo Green
    232. Fighter – Christina Aguilera
    261. She’s Country – Jason Aldean
    267. A Moment Like This – Kelly Clarkson
    303. Big Green Tractor – Jason Aldean
    343. Last Name – Carrie Underwood
    401. Who Are You When I’m Not Looking – Blake Shelton
    420. Show Me How You Burlesque – Christina Aguilera
    447. Stronger – Mandisa
    523. Home – Daughtry
    546. Stitch By Stitch (The Voice Performance) – Javier Colon
    583. Forget You – Cee Lo Green
    587. Before He Cheats – Carrie Underwood
    595. Loser Like Me (Glee Cast Version) – Glee Cast
    602. Express – Christina Aguilera
    634. I Am Woman – Jordin Sparks
    659. Bound to You – Christina Aguilera
    686. Undo It – Carrie Underwood
    733. Like My Mother Does (American Idol Performance) – Lauren Alaina
    857. The Truth – Jason Aldean
    858. Amarillo Sky – Jason Aldean
    871. Cowboy Casanova – Carrie Underwood
    891. Then – Brad Paisley
    920. She’s Everything – Brad Paisley
    929. Water – Brad Paisley
    932. But I Am a Good Girl – Christina Aguilera
    956. Crazy Town – Jason Aldean
    1021. I Won’t Back Down (The Voice Performance) – Blake Shelton & Dia Frampton

    Albums
    10. Red River Blue (Deluxe Version) – Blake Shelton
    13. My Kinda Party – Jason Aldean
    190. Red River Blue – Blake Shelton
    195. Glee: The Music Presents The Warblers – Glee Cast
    211. Wide Open – Jason Aldean
    214. Glee: The Music, Vol. 6 – Glee Cast
    276. This Loud Morning (Deluxe Version) – David Cook
    357. Glee: The Music, Vol. 5 – Glee Cast
    362. American Idol Season 10: Scotty McCreery – Scotty McCreery
    384. Dream With Me – Jackie Evancho
    396. Glee: The Music, Vol. 1 – Glee Cast
    431. Glee: The Music, Vol. 4 – Glee Cast
    514. What If We Were Real – Mandisa
    531. The Lady Killer (Deluxe Version) – Cee Lo Green
    602. The Lady Killer – Cee Lo Green
    653. This Loud Morning – David Cook
    670. I Remember Me – Jennifer Hudson
    691. Play On – Carrie Underwood
    718. Jason Aldean – Jason Aldean
    728. Matthew Morrison – Matthew Morrison
    738. American Saturday Night (Bonus Track Version) – Brad Paisley
    746. Some Hearts – Carrie Underwood
    765. Hits Alive – Brad Paisley
    784. Glee: The Music, Vol. 2 – Glee Cast
    785. Glee: The Music, Vol. 3 – Showstoppers (Deluxe Edition) – Glee Cast
    807. Daughtry – Daughtry
    850. Leave This Town (Bonus Track Version) – Daughtry
    927. Glee: The Music, Journey to Regionals – EP – Glee Cast

  • listen

    Under Albums on iTunes Adam’s collab w/ someone comes in at:

    152. Live The Life – J. Scott G. (Feat. Adam Lambert)

  • fuzzywuzzy
    I guess the percentage of tickets sold and the average price of the tickets would be the easiest things to compare throughout the different seasons?

    IDK I think the total number of tickets sold is also relevant info.

    The total number of tickets sold is far more relevant than % of tickets sold, because the number of tickets available for sale (“capacity” in the boxscores) is often different than the actual capacity of the venue. It appears that most of the Idol concerts did not come close to filling the venues that were booked. The % sold can be misleading depending on the size of venue/number of tickets available for sale.

    July 6, 2011 : West Valley City, Utah : Maverik Center : 6,251 of 6,616 (94%): $351,295
    Capacity for concerts: <12,000

    July 8, 2011 : Everett, Wash : Comcast Arena : 7,887 of 7,887 (SOLD-OUT) : $435,295
    Capacity (end stage): 9,000

    July 9, 2011 : Portland, Ore. : Rose Garden : 8,695 of 9,044 (96%) : $467,635
    Capacity (end stage): ~15,000

    July 11, 2011 : Sacramento, Calif. : Power Balance Pavilion : 10,056 of 10,527 (96%) : $531,060
    Capacity for concerts: ~17,000

    July 12, 2011 : Oakland, Calif. : Oracle Arena : 7,836 of 8,510 (92%) : $428,155
    Capacity for concerts: ~20,000

    July 13, 2011 : San Jose, Calif. : HP Pavilion : 9,623 of 10,162 (95%) : $513,515
    Capacity for concerts: 19,190

    July 15, 2011 : Los Angeles, Calif : NOKIA Theatre L.A. Live : 6,537 of 6,537 (SOLD-OUT) : $374,125
    Capacity: ~7,100

    July 16, 2011 : Ontario, Calif. : Citizens Business Bank Arena : 7,845 of 7,845 (SOLD-OUT) : $464,985
    Capacity for concerts: 11,089

    July 17, 2011 : Phoenix, Ariz. : U.S. Airways Center : 9,235 of 9,757 (95%) : $491,235
    Capacity: ~ 19,000

    Wow, this is kinda surprising because I was at the Oakland show and it definitely did not look like it was 92% full. Most of the 2nd level was actually pretty empty and blacked off.

    That’s because the actual capacity for that venue is ~20,000. The boxscore only indicates as “capacity” the number of tickets offered for sale.

  • Kirsten

    July 8, 2011 : Everett, Wash : Comcast Arena : 7,887 of 7,887 (SOLD-OUT) : $435,295
    Capacity (end stage): 9,000

    They can only do that if they seat people behind the stage. That doesn’t really work for the Idol concert since they have those big video screens and people would see nothing. I was there. They sold every ticket they could (they also lost some seats because there is that part of the stage that juts out and the sound tech has a chunk of space at the back of the floor).

    They often fudge the numbers by not offering sections of the venue for sale, but not always. The venues also over-report the number of tickets you can ethically sell. Somebody would probably buy a ticket for behind the stage, but they will be seriously unhappy if all they see is the back of a screen.

    Here is the page where Everett claims the venue sits 9000.

    Sections 111-115 and the corresponding 200 levels would not be able to see a single thing. That’s a 360 degree concert. Idol could skip the big screens, but the screens do help those at the far-end of the venue see what’s going on with the ants on stage.

    I haven’t been to those other venues, but Everett was definitely sold-out.

  • Tess

    I’ve been to a few concerts where demand was so high that they sold the nosebleeds and the behind the stage seats. What a waste of money. Arenas are not made to have sound travel backwards, basically you get a horrendous echo…and noseblood seats. They are OK when you are watching a game on the Jumbotron and are just there for the atmosphere…but at a concert…just silly.

    Also…as idol concerts have developed they are much more into using the screens as props and the main screen is usually at the back of the stage….doesn’t work with 360 seating.

    I like the end stage setup with all seats blocked within 15degrees of the stage. And why would I pay 75bucks to sit up so high that even the images on the screens seem like baby ants. I feel AI is wise to use a good configuration rather than just selling seats for the sake of revenue. Won’t bring the folks back the next year if they pay too much and get too little.

    ETA: Kristin…you type to fast…ha!

    ETA 2: By the way…capacity of a venue is strictly a Fire Marshall number. That just means that the facility has been designed to “exit” that many people safely in case of fire. I bet if you counted actual physical seats it would be way less.

  • girlygirl

    Well the way the stage is built contributes to how the venue is configured for any particular show. Most concerts aren’t going to be configured for full capacity when they play a big arena, like, say, The STAPLES Center. A concert stage is configured quite differently from a basketball court or hockey ice rink. The number of tickets made available will depend on whether the stage removes some seats from being used — if you can’t see the performers, the tickets are usually blocked off, because who would want to sit there? Then they throw in what sort of demand they expect for the show. If they don’t expect to sell 9,000 tickets, they won’t usually make 15,000 tickets available.

  • fuzzywuzzy

    Kirsten: Your argument may be valid for the Everett and Nokia venues, where the boxscore “capacity” is close to the actual capacity (which is why I said “most” not “all”), but for the other venues where the actual capacity is double or thousands more than the boxscore “capacity”, it’s clear that only part of the venue was rented.

    ETA:

    A concert stage is configured quite differently from a basketball court or hockey ice rink.

    I realize that, so except for a couple of the venues (which are listed as just “capacity”), the full capacities that I posted (as “capacity for concerts”) were for concerts, not sporting events.

    Then they throw in what sort of demand they expect for the show. If they don’t expect to sell 9,000 tickets, they won’t usually make 15,000 tickets available.

    Of course. The point is that the “capacity” on the boxscores is often NOT the full capacity of the venue, even accounting for variations in stage size, etc. It’s the number of tickets made available for sale (not including freebies).

  • ozarko

    David Archuleta’s Asian Tour Edition of “The Other Side of Down” album is the #1 best seller at CDWOW. It’s been number one for several days now. For the United States and many other countries, CDWOW is the only retail outlet that sells it outside of Southeast Asia.

    http://www.cdwow.us/music/0/0/top-100

  • https://twitter.com/pmhowden undercooked

    I think it’s probably best to look at overall tickets sold after the tour is over if we want to compare. Too many variables with concert venues, etc.

    Is S10 booked for the same number of shows as S8 and S7? It’s hard to compare S9 because that was just out of the norm. Either way, S10 seems to be doing very well. I would have liked to have seen the show, but had to work when they were in my area. Looks like a fun show.

  • Esqt

    IDK I think the total number of tickets sold is also relevant info.

    IA. Here same venue but nice spin w/ the percentage:
    July 6, 2011: West Valley City, UT (Maverick Center): 6,251 of 6,616 (94%): $351,295
    July 14, 2009: West Valley City, UT (E Center AKA Maverick Center): 6,511 of 9,702 (67%): $419,540

    July 9, 2011: Portland, OR (Rose Garden): 8,695 of 9,044 (96%): $467,635
    July 5, 2009: Portland, OR (Rose Garden): 9,537 of 11,680 (82%): $587,332

    July 13, 2011: San Jose, CA (HP Pavilion): 9,623 of 10,162 (95%): $513,515
    July 12, 2009: San Jose, CA (HP Pavilion): 10,391 of 12,004 (86.5%): $643,979

  • fuzzywuzzy

    IA. Here same venue but nice spin w/ the percentage:
    July 6, 2011: West Valley City, UT (Maverick Center): 6,251 of 6,616 (94%): $351,295
    July 14, 2009: West Valley City, UT (E Center AKA Maverick Center): 6,511 of 9,702 (67%): $419,540

    July 9, 2011: Portland, OR (Rose Garden): 8,695 of 9,044 (96%): $467,635
    July 5, 2009: Portland, OR (Rose Garden): 9,537 of 11,680 (82%): $587,332

    July 13, 2011: San Jose, CA (HP Pavilion): 9,623 of 10,162 (95%): $513,515
    July 12, 2009: San Jose, CA (HP Pavilion): 10,391 of 12,004 (86.5%): $643,979

    Thanks for posting those stats. It illustrates why percentage sold can be very misleading when different reduced “capacities” (=tickets made available for sale) are used. Interesting that S8 (edited) sold better in San Jose than S10 (James’ “hometown” concert, both on weekdays).

  • Valentin432

    S4 introduced a new policy to ensure that enough men made the final 12 (believe it or not, but at one time, it was tough for men to get out of the semis and in S3 only 2 out of the 8 contestants to advance were male. The wildcard added 2 more for 4 out the 12 finalists. Males do seem to be a bigger draw on tour).

    ?
    S1: 5 guys/5 girls out of the semifinals (all of them voted in by the audience)
    S2: 5 guys/3 girls at first, 1 guy WC by the audience and 3 girls WC by the judges:
    S3: 6 girls/2 guys at first, 1 guy WC by the audience and 3 girls WC by the judges

    Total: 13 guys and 14 girls voted by the audience.
    The only reason why season 2 was balanced and season 3 female heavy was because the judges picked 6 girls as WC.

  • Valentin432

    Thanks for posting those stats. It illustrates why percentage sold can be very misleading when different reduced “capacities” (=tickets made available for sale) are used. Interesting that S9 sold better in San Jose than S10 (James’ “hometown” concert, both on weekdays).

    Unless I’m mistaken, those numbers are for S8 (2009), not S9 (2010)

  • Buffynut

    July 15, 2011 : Los Angeles, Calif : NOKIA Theatre L.A. Live : 6,537 of 6,537 (SOLD-OUT)

    Nokia holds 7,000. It is theatre seating, not arena, so nothing was blocked off. Weird!
    There were tickets that opened up, for Nokia the day before and the morning of the show. Ontario had nothing, once the initial sales.

  • Kirsten

    IA. Here same venue but nice spin w/ the percentage:

    I strongly suspect that Idol is going with the spin this year. They tour is doing very well, but they know journalists are lazy and will go with the easy numbers. They want a feel good “We’re Back” story this year. They could have ratcheted down venue sizes in the past, but couldn’t be bothered.

    I expect they’ll probably even issue press releases focusing on this. I imagine The Voice will do the same because they want good spin for their first season.

    Let’s see if this link works (it’s to the first concert). It’s one of those fun venues where you can actually see exactly what tickets are sold (instead of just getting an idea based on what you are offered). They’ll probably close the upper tier and just move people who have purchased those tickets down into better seats.

  • Esqt

    Fuzzywuzzy, that’s S10 vs S8 stat. :)

  • girlygirl

    The Pulse Board thread listing numbers for songs below #50 on the CHR seems to be running a day behind.

    So, anyway, here are the numbers for WEDNESDAY’s CHR chart:

    53 52 JASON ALDEAN/KELLY CLARKSON Don’t You Wanna Stay 459 405 54 1.480
    68 66 TYGA Far Away f/Chris Richardson 162 133 29 0.409
    85 90 JORDIN SPARKS I Am Woman 65 76 -11 0.084
    81 114 STEVEN TYLER (It) Feels So Good 41 88 -47 0.159
    135 142 JAVIER COLON Stitch By Stitch 20 20 0 0.044
    208 180 KRIS ALLEN Heartless 11 7 4 0.052
    148 185 PIA TOSCANO This Time 11 16 -5 0.069
    —- 189 JENNIFER LOPEZ Starting Over 9 0 9 0.084
    122 199 KELLY CLARKSON Let Me Down 8 27 -19 0.009

  • Buffynut

    Let’s see if this link works (it’s to the first concert). It’s one of those fun venues where you can actually see exactly what tickets are sold (instead of just getting an idea based on what you are offered). They’ll probably close the upper tier and just move people who have purchased those tickets down into better seats.

    Interesting, Kirsten. I was actually shocked that they booked the Gibson theatre for LA. I thought it was way too big. Something like Club Nokia would have been much better.
    When Idol does press releases on all their SOLD OUT shows, I’m sure no one will bother to see how much smaller most of the venues are compared to prior seasons. Although, at the end, the total Gross will reveal that.

  • girlygirl

    Buffynut

    well tickets that are given away (in radio contests, for example) or reserved for family/friends of the performers or certain VIPs aren’t included in the “tickets sold”. So that would account for at least part of the discrepancy

  • Kirsten

    Also, Nokia holds 7,000. It is theatre seating, not arena, so nothing was blocked off. Weird!

    They sold out before the finale. I’m sure they would have offered more seats if they felt they could. The other LA area concert also sold out, so there is no reason not to try to sell those tickets in the 6 weeks between the finale and the show.

    They can’t always use full capacity for a number of reasons usually related to staging and technical requirements. Plus comp tickets aren’t reported.

  • Tess

    Kirstin…please correct me if I am wrong in my assumption but aren’t these numbers posted by the “host” of the venue and not the user. ie…who ever is “handling” the ticket sales for the tour is the one responsible for the number. AI has probably said that they are interested in such and such a size venue in such and such a city. And after the debacle of season 9, I am sure AI was not going to pay for huge arena costs. Better to block off seats and have less arena staff from the get-go. I am sure that “set costs” from the facility are based on seating open for purchase and not for facility capacity.

  • fuzzywuzzy

    Valentin and Esqt: Thanks! I realized my error before I saw your posts and I changed my post. :)

  • Kirsten

    Kirstin…please correct me if I am wrong in my assumption but aren’t these numbers posted by the “host” of the venue and not the user. ie…who ever is “handling” the ticket sales for the tour is the one responsible for the number.

    The promoter, in this case AEG Live, reports the numbers and makes all the venue arrangements.

  • falafel

    windmill: Capitol Nashville’s been able to rescue Luke Bryan’s song unfortunately so we’re probably stuck with that one as a possible #1 contender after Lady A.

    Ugh, this song. I will throw my radio out of the window onto the street below if this song hits #1. And then I will run outside and stomp on the remains, and then collect all the parts and set them on fire. I’m not crazy about Scotty’s song, either, but at least he does not feel the need to tell me to shake it. Although… I might actually pay to hear Scotty sing that.

    And I had something on topic to say about Scotty’s position on the chart in relation to Keith Urban and Blake and Taylor moving up, but such is my hatred of that stupid Luke Bryan song that once I get started, all I can do is sit here and seethe about it.

  • Elliegrll

    When Idol does press releases on all their SOLD OUT shows, I’m sure no one will bother to see how much smaller most of the venues are compared to prior seasons. Although, at the end, the total Gross will reveal that.

    To be fair, some of the venues that they used for seasons 7 and 8 were smaller than the venues that they had for previous seasons. In the first few seasons, the Atlanta concert was held at a centrally located are arena that seats between 20,000 to 15,000, but it was moved to another venue in Duluth where capacity is less than 12,000.

  • Oksana2000

    The total revenue for 9 concerts is $4,057,300 so far. According to the new contracts TPTB paid kids 11 X 1,000 X 9 = $99,000.
    You do the math. It’s 2.5% of the revenue. I can’t believe the rip off.

  • Q3

    On the Idol concert capacity — if they give away tickets in a promotion, to press, etc., it does not count in capacity. Only sold tickets count. So if there was a local radio promotion, that could be 300 tickets, add in press and you get something like the Nokia LA Idol numbers.

    July 15, 2011 : Los Angeles, Calif : NOKIA Theatre L.A. Live : 6,537 of 6,537 (SOLD-OUT)

    Total capacity 7,000.

    The capacity reported to Billboard is the total tickets offered for sale. If they never offered 2,000 seats at a 9,000 seat venue for sale, then the reported capacity is only 7,000.

    There are many reasons to do this, but mostly because it is better for the audience not to be scattered at the top of a venue — makes the concert more exciting.

    Overall, considering the weak concert market, these numbers are pretty good.

  • windmills

    falafel: Ugh, this song. I will throw my radio out of the window onto the street below if this song hits #1. And then I will run outside and stomp on the remains, and then collect all the parts and set them on fire. I’m not crazy about Scotty’s song, either, but at least he does not feel the need to tell me to shake it. Although… I might actually pay to hear Scotty sing that.

    And I had something on topic to say about Scotty’s position on the chart in relation to Keith Urban and Blake and Taylor moving up, but such is my hatred of that stupid Luke Bryan song that once I get started, all I can do is sit here and seethe about it.

    Have you ever felt really sorry but been laughing your head off at the same time? Because that’s what I’m doing now. Bringing up that terrible song was almost worth it to read your reaction to it.

    ITA with you by the way. I was SO excited when Luke’s song started losing spins and AIs a couple weeks ago. I was thinking country radio was actually showing some good taste in not supporting the song even though it was a lead single. But alas. Luke’s album’s coming out August 9th so the best case scenario is the label keeps the single going until then and then moves on to a different, hopefully better single. So that’d be 3 more weeks, probably enough to make t5. I’m just resigned at this point to them keeping the song alive longer.

  • mada23

    The total revenue for 9 concerts is $4,057,300 so far. According to the new contracts TPTB paid kids 11 X 1,000 X 9 = $99,000.
    You do the math. It’s 2% of revenue. I can’t believe the rip off.

    That still boggles my mind. Is it true? It’s not bad, but I feel like they should be making more than that since they’re the main attraction. James also mentioned that they’ve reduced their set budgets compared to last seasons. On top of that they have to be backup singers/dancers for each others numbers. Definitely getting ripped off it seems.

  • Oksana2000

    The total revenue for 9 concerts is $4,057,300 so far. According to the new contracts TPTB paid kids 11 X 1,000 X 9 = $99,000.
    You do the math. It’s 2% of revenue. I can’t believe the rip off.

    That still boggles my mind. Is it true? It’s not bad, but I feel like they should be making more than that since they’re the main attraction.

    I recall that in S8 performers were paid according to sliding scale with Kris and Adam getting something like 4,000 and 3,000 per concert. I might be wrong about the numbers, I’ pretty sure someone here knows better, but it wasn’t the lousy 1,000.
    Plus they were getting some percentage of concert merch being sold.

  • soverymel

    James also mentioned that they’ve reduced their set budgets compared to last seasons.

    Reduced them from what? The tour sets were always bare bones. The biggest expense seems like it would be the big screens, and I thought they had more vertical side screens this year.

  • smeggingnuts

    I consider both Everett and Tacoma Seattle. Just like Newark and Long Island are NYC.

    LOL thats like saying anything in western washington is “Seattle”.

    Everett is about 35mins (freeway drive) 29miles north of Seattle

    And Seattle is 45mins (freeway drive) 34 miles north of Tacoma.

    thats about an hour and a half drive from Everett to Tacoma all on the freeway…..thats one big ass city.

    This isn’t like Phoenix, Mesa, Tempe Arizona where all those cities spread out into each other

    haha so sorry they aren’t even close to being part of Seattle.

    Now if you want to say that Everett and Lynnwood are basically the same city that I can buy.

  • Oksana2000

    I consider both Everett and Tacoma Seattle. Just like Newark and Long Island are NYC.

    Newark is in New Jersey, Long Island is a part of NYC suburbs.
    If you happen to live in NYC, you would find commute to both places by car equally anal.

  • Little Boy Blue

    Does anybody know how much the Idols are paid for their tour?

  • Pam

    CHR/Pop (today’s update)
    55 52 JASON ALDEAN/KELLY CLARKSON Don’t You Wanna Stay 464 403 61 1.502
    67 65 TYGA Far Away f/Chris Richardson 165 137 28 0.425
    92 86 SANTANA Photograph f/Chris Daughtry 69 64 5 0.293
    90 91 JORDIN SPARKS I Am Woman 61 71 -10 0.080
    —- 125 GLEE CAST Friday 30 0 30 0.081
    133 143 JAVIER COLON Stitch By Stitch 20 21 -1 0.047
    211 180 KRIS ALLEN Heartless 11 7 4 0.053
    131 232 PIA TOSCANO This Time 6 21 -15 0.057

  • katielynne

    the Atlanta concert was held at a centrally located are arena that seats between 20,000 to 15,000, but it was moved to another venue in Duluth where capacity is less than 12,000

    However, I remember that they added another concert for Atlanta in season 5, so that’s well more than 20,000 that attended.

  • hoa_teca

    Single sales are out on Idol Chatter”

    Brad Paisley w/Carrie Underwood, Remind Me (64,000, -5%, 391,000)
    Jennifer Lopez feat. Pitbull, On the Floor (48,000, -15%, 2.575 million)
    Jason Aldean/Kelly Clarkson, Don’t You Wanna Stay (27,000, 0 change, 1.476 million)
    Scotty McCreery, I Love You This Big (23,000, -6%, 419,000)
    Jennifer Lopez feat. Lil Wayne, I’m Into You (20,000, +37%, 314,000)
    Pia Toscano, This Time (19,000, debut, 19,000)
    Lauren Alaina, Like My Mother Does (5,000, -24%, 227,000)
    Mandisa, Stronger (5,000, -5%, 83,000)
    Carrie Underwood, Before He Cheats (4,000, -1%, 3.266 million)

    http://content.usatoday.com/communities/idolchatter/post/2011/07/idol-track-sales-carrie-underwood-pia-toscano-and-more/1

  • LexieN

    Yay, for Scotty’s sales!! Oh, and it was clearly stated after the win that all of this year’s idols are getting paid the same $1,000 per show with Scotty (maybe Lauren) getting merchandise $ as well… wonder why he gets less than past years?

  • fuzzywuzzy

    I strongly suspect that Idol is going with the spin this year. They tour is doing very well, but they know journalists are lazy and will go with the easy numbers. They want a feel good “We’re Back” story this year. They could have ratcheted down venue sizes in the past, but couldn’t be bothered.

    I think so too. In reality, people usually just remember the “sold out” label, and don’t bother to find out how meaningful that term really is. Perception over reality.

  • windmills

    That’s actually higher 1st week sales for Pia than I would’ve guessed. Not amazing, just higher than I guessed and respectable considering it has almost no airplay and didn’t get a lot of other exposure other than the Ryan Seacrest and AOL premieres.

    Remind Me has a good shot at gold sales in 2 weeks. ILYTB should get there in 4-6 weeks.

  • Tess

    people usually just remember the “sold out” label, and don’t bother to find out how meaningful that term really is. Perception over reality.

    What perception….does someone automatically think that a basketball venue seating 19,000 is seating the same for a staged concert. Peeps aren’t that dumb…anyone who cares if it “sold out” will also be savvy enough to know that the figure for a concert is different than that for a bb game.

    And once a concert is “sold out” there is no way of knowing how many additional tickets could have been sold if it wasn’t sold out…maybe 10,000 peeps were left crying at their computer stations.

  • McCreerian

    LOL thats like saying anything in western washington is “Seattle”.

    Everett is about 35mins (freeway drive) 29miles north of Seattle

    And Seattle is 45mins (freeway drive) 34 miles north of Tacoma.

    thats about an hour and a half drive from Everett to Tacoma all on the freeway…..thats one big ass city.

    To me, the Seattle “megacity” begins in Everett and ends in Tacoma. All urban area from Everett to Tacoma.

    I’m excited for Scotty’s single continuing to get good sales.

  • Keel

    As someone who grew up in Seattle, I’ve just never considered Everett and Tacoma as part of a Seattle “megacity.”

  • soverymel

    As a Seattle native, you horrify me by lumping my city in with either Everett or Tacoma, they are distinct metro areas with miles of freeway in between them and their own distinct “personalities.”

    ETA: But I realize that to anyone outside of WA state, everything west of the Cascades is basically considered “Seattle” LOL.

  • Q3

    There are many places in the US where metro areas/market areas contain separate cities.

    Lumping Seattle and Tacoma together is like saying Baltimore and DC are the same. Same for both, they just are different!

    Seattle and Tacoma — 34 miles apart
    Baltimore, MD and Washington DC — 39 miles apart

    Note: in both cases the extremes are much farther apart, then the center cities.

  • http://twitter.com/cara_lee pj

    Well, when you go to Seattle, you fly into Sea-Tac. :-)

  • McCreerian

    As a Seattle native, you horrify me by lumping my city in with either Everett or Tacoma, they are distinct metro areas with miles of freeway in between them and their own distinct “personalities.”

    Well, they are all connected, but sure, they are their own cities and personalities. Kinda like how Anaheim is “connected” to LA, but it still has it’s own personality and it is it’s own city. But if I were unable to read and just walked down highway 99 from Everett to Tacoma, it would be hard for me to tell where the boundaries for each city are. Just like any metro area in the US.

  • Kirsten

    ETA: But I realize that to anyone outside of WA state, everything west of the Cascades is basically considered “Seattle” LOL.

    Rest assured, Canadians on this side of the Cascades don’t think that way. Of course, people outside of the region don’t even seem to know what the Cascades are…(hint: they are not the Rockies)

  • McCreerian

    And for the record, I live just north of Everett :)

  • Pam

    Considering the minimal airplay that Pia’s single has gotten since it debuted on KIIS FM last week, those numbers aren’t as bad as I thought they might be.

    Nice progress with the Brad/Carrie duet and Scotty’s single. As windmills stated just a matter of time and both of those singles should go gold. Very nice.

  • larc

    Oksana2000 says:
    The total revenue for 9 concerts is $4,057,300 so far. According to the new contracts TPTB paid kids 11 X 1,000 X 9 = $99,000.
    You do the math. It’s 2.5% of the revenue. I can’t believe the rip off.

    Idol is doing the stingy Scrooge bit with the kids this year to help make up for tour losses last summer, IMO. If the tour continues to do as well as it has so far and their hearts were in the right place, TPTB would come across with a nice fat September bonus for all the kids. But I’m not holding my breath for that. No matter how much money the tour rakes in, something tells me the least likely people to see additional financial benefit will be those who are the primary cause of the success.

  • Eileen99

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  • chearts77

    larc says:
    07/21/2011 at 4:18 pm
    Oksana2000 says:
    The total revenue for 9 concerts is $4,057,300 so far. According to the new contracts TPTB paid kids 11 X 1,000 X 9 = $99,000.
    You do the math. It’s 2.5% of the revenue. I can’t believe the rip off.

    Idol is doing the stingy Scrooge bit with the kids this year to help make up for tour losses last summer, IMO. If the tour continues to do as well as it has so far and their hearts were in the right place, TPTB would come across with a nice fat September bonus for all the kids. But I’m not holding my breath for that. No matter how much money the tour rakes in, something tells me the least likely people to see additional financial benefit will be those who are the primary cause of the success.

    I hope TPTB grow a heart and give them a nice bonus in September, too. I still find it odd that Naimi and Thia make the same amount as Scotty per show.

  • girlygirl

    I was guessing 15-25K for Pia’s single, so it ended up falling pretty much in the middle of my estimate. Not bad. There will likely be a big drop in those numebrs next week, though.

    Is anyone besides me surprised at how little radio play it’s getting? Six spins on CHR? I know Interscope hasn’t really started pushing it to radio yet, but that still seems low to me.

  • Tess

    I know Interscope hasn’t really started pushing it to radio yet

    She has done more than several radio interviews the last two weeks. That is part of “pushing” in promo jargon. If the stations didn’t spin her song during the interview we could all claim it was just about Idol and her lack of successive spins wouldn’t be so damning. As it is…her early roll-out isn’t doing much to convince stations to pick up her single.

  • McCreerian

    The 1000 dollars per show may not be true. I know it was leaked by tmz, but who knows, maybe it’s just the starting amount or something. Until I hear it from a contestant or producer, I won’t believe it.

  • LexieN

    The 1000 dollars per show may not be true. I know it was leaked by tmz, but who knows, maybe it’s just the starting amount or something. Until I hear it from a contestant or producer, I won’t believe it.

    I hope you’re right! While life certainly isn’t fair, you would hope that there would be some equity. I guess I’m more gullible than I thought, just believed what I was told:)

  • tripp_ncwy

    The 1000 dollars per show may not be true. I know it was leaked by tmz, but who knows, maybe it’s just the starting amount or something. Until I hear it from a contestant or producer, I won’t believe it.

    TMZ claimed to have the contract. They were able to obtain the S8 contract & we have just had someone else get the AI10 contract for Scotty & Lauren. Harvey Levin maybe a douche but he is an attorney.

  • soverymel

    TMZ claimed to have the contract. They were able to obtain the S8 contract & we have just had someone else get the AI10 contract for Scotty & Lauren. Harvey Levin maybe a douche but he is an attorney.

    I thought we also gave them extra credence now that Nigel was back since in the past and definitely this year he’s sort of blatantly leaked whatever he felt like to TMZ. I mean, the S10 Idols even had a segment where they visited the TMZ offices.

  • Landmd

    TMZ claimed to have the contract.

    Since a number of the contestants are minors they must have the contract approved by a judge. I don’t really understand if that then makes it available to the public or just easier for reporters to get a copy of it.

  • Hazehel

    You do the math. It’s 2.5% of the revenue. I can’t believe the rip off.

    Yup, it’s a blatant rip off of those who are working their asses off. I realize it is a business, but sometimes Idol does things that make me feel nothing but contempt for them, and this is one of those things. I’m sure there will be apologists for Idol who would argue that people sign up to Idol willingly and are getting something they won’t get without Idol, but some things are just plainly wrong. It’s a disgrace.

  • HR

    IMO season 9 is why the financial contracts were altered for the season 10 contestants. I don’t have a problem with their recording contract changes because I assume less of an advance increases their chances of being able to pay off that debt to the record label. It may help them retain contracts if contracted advances for followup albums don’t come with the high price tag of earlier seasons too. Earlier seasons allowed for advances to escalate with each album.

    I do have a problem with the tour contracts if a clause wasn’t included to revisit what they earn from this tour if they meet certain benchmarks in attendance and revenue. Tour 9 may have necessitated changes in what they were guarenteed as a base line but it should not prohibit them from benefiting from a popular tour. They deserve to reap the financial benefits other alums who delivered popular tours did.

  • Pam

    From HDD:

    XL’s Adele, the gift that keeps on giving for Columbia, returns to #1 next week as four debuts hit the Top 10. Here’s how it looks headed into the weekend:

    Adele (XL/Columbia) 70-75k
    *Kidz Bop Kids (Razor & Tie) 60-65k
    Beyonce (Columbia) 50-55k
    *3 Doors Down (Universal Republic) 50-55k
    *311 (ATO) 45-50k
    *DJ Khaled (Cash Money/Universal Republic) 45-50k
    Blake Shelton (Warner Bros. Nashville) 40-45k
    Jason Aldean (Broken Bow) 40-45k
    Selena Gomez & the Scene (Hollywood) 30-35k
    Bad Meets Evil (Shady/Interscope) 27-30k
    Chris Young (RCA Nashville) 25-28k
    Lady Gaga (Interscope) 25-28k
    Incubus (Epic) 24-27k
    Colbie Caillat (Universal Republic) 24-27k
    Jackie Evancho (Columbia) 18-21k
    *Debuts (7/21p)

  • larc

    Kirsten says:
    They can’t always use full capacity for a number of reasons usually related to staging and technical requirements. Plus comp tickets aren’t reported.

    I’m thinking most of the unaccounted-for seats at Nokia were comped. There are piles of Idol, 19, UMG and FOX people plus big celebrities and other VIPs in LA who probably all got free tickets if they wanted to see the show.