Idols In Concert – Stats – 07/14/11

No Season 10 stats yet, but it’s probably a bit early to be expecting them. I’m still holding out hope that we get them this year since AEG is back in charge and the tour isn’t an epic disaster. There is a concert from Jordin after the jump and we are still waiting to see the download numbers for this week.

14 NKOTBSB, Jordin Sparks, Ashlyne Huff
Staples Center; Los Angeles, Calif.
July 1, 2011
$1,078,013; 14,404 of 14,404 (SOLD-OUT); $99.50, $69.50, $49.50, $29.50

  • Pam

    17 18 SCOTTY MCCREERY I Love You This Big 2706 2392 314 17.944

    +35 Spins
    -35 Bullet
    +0.176 AI

    All Stations
    18 18 SCOTTY MCCREERY I Love You This Big 4444 3948 496
    23.29

  • Pam

    CHR/Pop
    53 45 MAROON 5 F/CHRISTINA AGUILERA Moves Like Jagger 833 409 424 5.543

    HAC
    11 11 JASON ALDEAN/KELLY CLARKSON Don’t You Wanna Stay 2713 2509 204 14.734
    29 29 DAVID COOK Last Goodbye 592 596 -4 1.585
    43 31 MAROON 5 F/CHRISTINA AGUILERA Moves Like Jagger 576 321 255 2.852

    AC
    10 9 JASON ALDEAN/KELLY CLARKSON Don’t You Wanna Stay 841 600 241 7.236
    18 20 MATTHEW MORRISON Summer Rain 173 192 -19 0.533
    29 29 JOSH GRACIN Long Way To Go 71 72 -1 0.068
    40 42 DAVID COOK Last Goodbye 30 41 -11 0.635

    Country
    13 11 BRAD PAISLEY/CARRIE UNDERWOOD Remind Me 3827 3488 339 26.257
    17 18 SCOTTY MCCREERY I Love You This Big 2706 2392 314 17.944
    40 36 KELLIE PICKLER Tough 649 518 131 3.418
    46 48 LAUREN ALAINA Like My Mother Does 328 331 -3 1.617

    Urban
    33 29 JENNIFER HUDSON No One Gonna Love Yo… 770 761 9 3.438

    Urban AC
    9 10 FANTASIA Collard Greens & Cor… 963 962 1 4.968
    13 17 JENNIFER HUDSON No One Gonna Love Yo… 649 695 -46 3.57
    40 32 JENNIFER HUDSON Don’t Look Down 166 93 73 1.81
    37 39 KEKE WYATT Saturday Love f/Rube… 90 100 -10 0.209

    Rhythmic
    30 26 TYGA Far Away f/Chris Ric… 1279 1009 270 6.068

    Christian AC
    5 6 MANDISA Stronger 966 977 -11 3.813
    20 23 CHRIS SLIGH One 286 298 -12 1.078

    Canada-HAC
    41 29 MAROON 5 F/CHRISTINA AGUILERA Moves Like Jagger 217 133 84 1.874

    Canada-Main AC
    11 14 JASON ALDEAN/KELLY CLARKSON Don’t You Wanna Stay 187 195 -8 1.229

    Canada-Country
    9 6 BRAD PAISLEY/CARRIE UNDERWOOD Remind Me 652 582 70 2.159
    25 19 SCOTTY MCCREERY I Love You This Big 417 382 35 1.186
    48 49 LAUREN ALAINA Like My Mother Does 92 96 -4 0.214

  • saga

    Rooting for Moves Like Jagger. Sad to see Cee-lo’s Bright Light Big City peaking, love that track.

  • Kirsten

    HAC
    29 29 DAVID COOK Last Goodbye 592 596 -4 1.585
    AC
    40 42 DAVID COOK Last Goodbye 30 41 -11 0.635

    This is not the direction you want to go in two weeks after dropping your album (unless you are in the top 10 and you have another single on the way like Blake Shelton).

    They should have switched singles weeks ago. Ugh.

    On the subject of new singles, it’s about time that Mandisa got one too. She went to number one on the CAC chart and her albums always sell well (and Christian music is a classic example of how SS does not capture all sales. Most Christian music is sold in small bookstores and SS guesses how much that is in its weekly totals but only includes actual scans in the overall totals).

  • Pam

    i-tunes

    Singles
    10. Dirt Road Anthem – Jason Aldean
    18. Remind Me (Duet with Carrie Underwood) – Brad Paisley
    26. Honey Bee – Blake Shelton
    29. God Gave Me You – Blake Shelton
    58. Don’t You Wanna Stay (with Kelly Clarkson) – Jason Aldean
    62. Honey Bee – Blake Shelton
    71. I Love You This Big (American Idol Performance) – Scotty McCreery
    77. Moves Like Jagger (Studio Recording from “The Voice” Performance) [feat. Christina Aguilera] – Maroon 5
    119. Dirt Road Anthem (Remix) [feat. Ludacris] – Jason Aldean
    121. Forget You – Cee Lo Green
    123. My Kinda Party – Jason Aldean
    124. This Time – Pia Toscano
    135. Old Alabama (feat. Alabama) – Brad Paisley
    176. Bright Lights Bigger City – Cee Lo Green
    185. F**k You – Cee Lo Green
    196. Stitch By Stitch (The Voice Performance) – Javier Colon
    202. She’s Country – Jason Aldean
    209. I’m Sorry – Blake Shelton
    221. Over – Blake Shelton
    241. Who Are You When I’m Not Looking – Blake Shelton
    270. Big Green Tractor – Jason Aldean
    347. Inventing Shadows (The Voice Performance) – Dia Frampton
    362. I Won’t Back Down (The Voice Performance) – Blake Shelton & Dia Frampton
    440. Like My Mother Does (American Idol Performance) – Lauren Alaina
    463. Undo It – Carrie Underwood
    471. Man In the Mirror (The Voice Performance) – Adam Levine & Javier Colon
    497. Red River Blue – Blake Shelton
    498. Before He Cheats – Carrie Underwood
    520. Heartless (The Voice Performance) – Dia Frampton
    526. Forget You – Cee Lo Green
    528. Drink On It – Blake Shelton
    553. Show Me How You Burlesque – Christina Aguilera
    573. Time After Time (The Voice Performance) – Javier Colon
    619. Moves Like Jagger (Studio Recording from the Voice Performance) [feat. Christina Aguilera] – Maroon 5
    685. Loser Like Me (Glee Cast Version) – Glee Cast
    691. Cowboy Casanova – Carrie Underwood
    707. The Truth – Jason Aldean
    721. Crazy Town – Jason Aldean
    726. Price Tag (The Voice Performance) – Xenia
    747. Fix You (The Voice Performance) – Javier Colon
    751. Addicted (Bonus Track) – Blake Shelton
    754. Tough – Kellie Pickler
    763. Amarillo Sky – Jason Aldean
    765. Hillbilly Bone (feat. Trace Adkins) – Blake Shelton
    771. Ready to Roll – Blake Shelton
    795. Water – Brad Paisley
    829. Then – Brad Paisley
    831. Beautiful – Christina Aguilera
    848. Losing My Religion (The Voice Performance) – Dia Frampton
    851. This Is Country Music – Brad Paisley
    864. She’s Everything – Brad Paisley
    874. How Great Thou Art – Carrie Underwood
    914. Express – Christina Aguilera
    931. Last Name – Carrie Underwood
    942. All-American Girl – Carrie Underwood
    954. Don’t Stop Believin’ (Glee Cast Version) – Glee Cast
    973. Jesus, Take the Wheel – Carrie Underwood
    980. Temporary Home – Carrie Underwood
    1009. Dog Days Are Over (The Voice Performance) – Vicci Martinez
    1016. Bleeding Love – Leona Lewis

    Albums
    2. Red River Blue (Deluxe Version) – Blake Shelton
    16. My Kinda Party – Jason Aldean
    46. Red River Blue – Blake Shelton
    135. This Loud Morning (Deluxe Version) – David Cook
    179. Glee: The Music Presents The Warblers – Glee Cast
    195. Glee: The Music, Vol. 6 – Glee Cast
    196. Dream With Me – Jackie Evancho
    197. Wide Open – Jason Aldean
    203. Loaded: The Best of Blake Shelton – Blake Shelton
    335. I Remember Me – Jennifer Hudson
    338. Glee: The Music, Vol. 5 – Glee Cast
    340. American Idol Season 10: Scotty McCreery – Scotty McCreery
    366. Glee: The Music, Vol. 1 – Glee Cast
    378. This Loud Morning – David Cook
    385. Glee: The Music, Vol. 4 – Glee Cast
    507. Glee: The Music, Vol. 3 – Showstoppers (Deluxe Edition) – Glee Cast
    541. Glee: The Music, Vol. 2 – Glee Cast
    576. Play On – Carrie Underwood
    592. Some Hearts – Carrie Underwood
    625. American Saturday Night (Bonus Track Version) – Brad Paisley
    660. Carnival Ride – Carrie Underwood
    662. Leave This Town (Bonus Track Version) – Daughtry
    681. The Lady Killer – Cee Lo Green
    688. Jason Aldean – Jason Aldean
    701. What If We Were Real – Mandisa
    722. The Lady Killer (Deluxe Version) – Cee Lo Green
    780. Hits Alive – Brad Paisley
    860. American Idol Season 10: Lauren Alaina – Lauren Alaina
    928. Live It Up – Lee DeWyze
    932. All About Tonight – EP – Blake Shelton
    938. Stripped – Christina Aguilera

  • Tess

    nvm

  • tripp_ncwy

    This is not the direction you want to go in two weeks after dropping your album (unless you are in the top 10 and you have another single on the way like Blake Shelton).

    ITA Kirsten, I don’t know what more can be done with TLG. All the peices are there but they are just not coming together. It’s time to move on. I guess Sony could just be hanging on until DC starts touring & introduce a new single for promo stops at radio stations.

  • Q3

    This is not the direction you want to go in two weeks after dropping your album (unless you are in the top 10 and you have another single on the way like Blake Shelton).

    They should have switched singles weeks ago. Ugh.

    RCA and David had to know this would happen. Now that the album is over 2 weeks old, not sure how much sense a second single makes but I hope that RCA/19/David have something else planned.

    It there any sign of a new single?

  • jpfan

    I think the time for another single with real promotion may have passed. The label can always put out a 2nd single but without “push” it’ll be a tough climb. I think RCA probably thought more of the Cook fanbase would be around to buy the album so they didn’t move quickly to replace single #1.

    In general, follow up idol albums fall into the sink or swim category. The biggest payday is always album #1 so the label acts accordingly.

  • Elliegrll

    ITA Kirsten, I don’t know what more can be done with TLG. All the peices are there but they are just not coming together. It’s time to move on. I guess Sony could just be hanging on until DC starts touring & introduce a new single for promo stops at radio stations.

    I hate to do it, but I’m going to jump on the bandwagon with the folks who say that if this happens, that it will be a second single in name only. Pretty much along the lines of Lee’s second single. RCA continues to support TLG, and it seems like they are more than reluctant to make a change, so I don’t see them fully supporting a new song.

    I think RCA probably thought more of the Cook fanbase would be around to buy the album so they didn’t move quickly to replace single #1.

    They didn’t make a switch, because they don’t think that any of the other singles will do as well as TLG has done. Which is sad.

    As far as the last thing that you said,19/Sony have created this situation with almost all of the alums. They haven’t done enough in terms of artist development and promotion, so of course the second albums will suffer. If people didn’t become established in their genre and at radio stations with their first albums, it is going to be hard for them to get airplay with the second album, and get people outside of the bubble to buy their music.

  • Tess

    After what has happened to the Davids via vi their second albums (I don’t count seasonal Christmas albums) and the singles associated with them, Jordin’s non showing for her latest single, and the debacle that were the debut albums for Crystal and Lee I truly am getting concerned about how much Sony is working towards keeping idolettes front and center as recording Artists. How is this era going to translate into support for the next round of releases: Lambert, Allen, Gokey. Is Sony going to throw the songs and albums out into the Universe and just let them sink or swim on their own…and how does Clarkson and Daughtry keep their heads above water if the label doesn’t seem to have the wear-with-all to successfully market their idol crop of singers.

    I used to think that an Idol could make it on their own talent…but I am seeing that without a label to drive the boat it is an almost impossible task. Christmas season is going to be very, very interesting.

    ETA: How are other Sony artists faring right now?

  • jpfan

    I think Kelly and Daughtry are out of the Idol bubble. Their careers are independent of the show. They’ll rise and fall just like other artists of their genre.

    But it is not good to see the S7 albums stuggle. I was hoping Cook could achieve Fantasia like success in his genre as in decent but not a superstar. In terms of S8, Adam has the best shot. He did ok on Pop radio but it’s all about his first single. So obviously, Kris and Danny will need great singles to get any album sales in the future.

    It is pretty awful to see someone going from platinum plus to having issues selling 100K in three years though. The Idol fanbase seems too fickle to support any long term careers.

  • Tess

    Irregardless of the idol fanbase and fan support I am not seeing anyone (and I checked the RCA roster) getting the kind of “push” from their label that was part and parcel of the label several years ago. The “failure to succeed” of the majority of the roster over the last couple of years has seriously outweighed those that have risen to the top of the charts. It’s almost like they are conserving their energy until something breaks on both the economic and musical front.

    I know I have a tendency to pooh pooh some idol artists but the Sony “trend” is becoming more and more apparent with each succeeding sony release. I’m, personally, going to give the idolettes a break….after researching this I’m now even going to remove an earlier post and give the Season 9 idols a bit of latitude. I think something is terribly wrong in the Sony world and until it is “fixed” I think I will start being a little kinder to the Idolettes.

  • luly

    I agree that it’s probably the time for RCA to switch a single for David Cook. I’m not sure which song will be the best choice for a second single, but not less important is whether RCA are believing that there is a song on the album that will do better than TLG and how much are they willing to promote the second single. I hope that Cook will get another single that will be promoted and that he will manage to get a hit out of this album. I think that the album is a good album, but a hit is necessary in order for more people to be aware of the album’s existence.

    I think that’s it’s very important for Adam, Kris and Danny to have strong lead singles that will be supported by the label in order for their albums to do well, especially after the first weeks. Plus, singles sales are important in general in many genres.

  • Q3

    After what has happened to the Davids via vi their second albums (I don’t count seasonal Christmas albums) and the singles associated with them, Jordin’s non showing for her latest single, and the debacle that were the debut albums for Crystal and Lee I truly am getting concerned about how much Sony is working towards keeping idolettes front and center as recording Artists. How is this era going to translate into support for the next round of releases: Lambert, Allen, Gokey. Is Sony going to throw the songs and albums out into the Universe and just let them sink or swim on their own…and how does Clarkson and Daughtry keep their heads above water if the label doesn’t seem to have the wear-with-all to successfully market their idol crop of singers.

    I think it depends entirely how much commercial potential the artist and the music has how Sony promotes it — they have no special interest in Idol, and never did once the debuts were done.

    If Kelly, Adam, Daughtry, Kris and/or Danny delivers product to Sony that they can sell, I expect that they will promote the heck out of it.

    The label invests a lot in a new album — they really do not want to walk away from it. But no one — the label or the artist — has any advantage in investing $1 million in promoting a single if there is no way to sell a lot of music. So, looking at David Cook’s situation, why add another $1 million to the recoupable promotional expense to try to create a hit? Sometimes the best financial and career move is to move on to the next project.

    In Jordin’s case, I expect they will push out another single or two, until they have a lead album hit.

    Finally, I do not think what happens to one Idol alum has much to do with the others.

  • Listening

    Do you guys think it was a mistake for David to tour that long he toured for nearly a year? I think instead of focusing on making singles from the first album he focused on the tour. Singles are what make people aware you’re still in existence.

    Anywho in regards to album sells David and team took a gamble they said we don’t care how the sales go we want the absolute best album. They were probably like the sound will bring them back to us so far it hasn’t work. I would of put this album out a year earlier I mean at the start of writing this album they already had a stockpile of songs from the first album. It could of been done. Oh well nothing to do about it now they have too at least get a presentable for a sophomore album 300K out of this.

    Oh one more thing that popped into my head David isn’t getting the big bus for his tour is he due to these sales, well definitely not two big tour buses right.

  • Tess

    Finally, I do not think what happens to one Idol alum has much to do with the others.

    But this laissez faire attitude from the label seems to be encompassing many of their artists, not just idols. If only the Idols (or many of them) were having issues I would totally agree it is all about their inability to hold onto fans…but a little research has shown me that many of these same things are surrounding other sony label mates. If other labels (sometimes fairly small ones) can push their mediocre talent to the top of the charts why can’t Sony?

  • http://www.twilightslo.com Mateja

    It just seems so odd that radio or I-tunes or tours or even one off gigs are just lacking for the idols of one season removed. Last summer we were still all a-buzz about how the season 8 idols were doing…and the summer before we were into the Davids. This year, pretty much nada….a few gigs for Crystal, some small tour venues for Lee, and a couple of things for Casey. But no radio, no items for sale, no “hanging on” of albums. I truly wonder if “outside the bubble” any of these 3 will be able to really capitalize on the “power” of the show. Just proves to me that Idol is a nice stepping stone but it can’t MAKE somebody a career.

    I think the problem is, Lee and Crystal just aren’t a type of musician/artist that would usually get a major label recording contract. Idol was looking for a Taylor Swift in season 9, but the producers obviously didn’t get what makes Taylor Swift so successful. Lee and Crystal also weren’t great TV personalities. Season 9 was panned and there was no buzz. But, Sony still honored their contract with 19. But, they didn’t really fight to keep their Idol contract and UMG took over.

    As far as the last thing that you said,19/Sony have created this situation with almost all of the alums. They haven’t done enough in terms of artist development and promotion, so of course the second albums will suffer. If people didn’t become established in their genre and at radio stations with their first albums, it is going to be hard for them to get airplay with the second album, and get people outside of the bubble to buy their music.

    Yeah, I think the problem is, Idol works in cycles. With 1 Idol season/year, Idols pretty much get kicked out of the spotlight a few months after their debut albums drop. 19 and the label obviously work very hard to make sure debut albums are released in time for Christmas shopping. But once January comes, new Idol season is there and Idols of the previous season are old news. I feel like Idols should get more promo and 19/label support that year after their debut albums drop. The label should think ahead have Idols record more music right after Christmas/New year. I would let the Idols tour during the summer, but I think that first year, touring shouldn’t be the focus – the focus should be to keep the momentum, release more singles, get some high profile gigs, etc.

    I admit, I don’t know what would be the best solution, but once debut albums drop, Idols start touring and disappear from public’s consciousness in a matter of a few months. They are quickly replaced by a new batch of Idols and by the time they actually release new music, there are two or even three seasons of newer Idols out there. It looks like the Idols need something more to transition from reality TV stars to long term viable recording artists. All Idols after season 5 have this problem. Idols from seasons 1-3 were lucky because Idol was new at the time and there were less Idols. Carrie and Daughtry had hit albums and after season 5 the public kinda got used to the fact that a new batch of Idols is always around the corner.

  • http://www.twilightslo.com Mateja

    The first original singles by the top two contestants on Season 1 of The Voice plummeted in their second week of release. They tumbled even further than the first singles by the top two contestants on Season 10 of American Idol did last month. Javier Colon’s “Stitch By Stitch” drops from #17 to #96. Dia Frampton’s “Inventing Shadows” drops from #20 clear off the chart. By comparison, Scotty McCreery’s “I Love You This Big” dropped from #11 to #35 in week 2. Lauren Alaina’s “Like My Mother Does” dropped from #20 to #60. “I Love You This Big” is still showing signs of life. The song rebounds from #73 to #64 in its seventh week.

    Incidentally, I was glad to read that J.Lo signed on for another season as a judge on American Idol. She’s very good on the show, and the show has been for her. Her smash “On The Floor” (featuring Pitbull) has sold 2,732,000 copies. Only two songs by Idol contestants have sold that many digital copies. “No Air” by Season 6 winner Jordin Sparks & Chris Brown has sold 3,313,000 copies. “Before He Cheats” by Season 4 winner Carrie Underwood has sold 3,262,000.

    http://new.music.yahoo.com/blogs/chart_watch/74389/week-ending-july-10-2011-songs-rolling-over-everybody/

  • LongKissGoodnight

    But this laissez faire attitude from the label seems to be encompassing many of their artists, not just idols. If only the Idols (or many of them) were having issues I would totally agree it is all about their inability to hold onto fans…but a little research has shown me that many of these same things are surrounding other sony label mates.

    That is very interesting. Could you please describe in a little bit more detail, what artists/albums in you mind was not fully supported by Sony (RCA) compare to there potential?

  • tinawina

    This is not the direction you want to go in two weeks after dropping your album

    It is totally my fault for actually saying out loud (well the online version of “out loud” anyway) that the song was having a decent couple of weeks. I told y’all I would jinx it. LOL

    Anyway, I think Sony has its issues like all labels, but I can’t blame them. They did what they were supposed to do to set up that lead single, but it just didn’t click. And really, he got treated well last time around too. No everything wasn’t perfect but he had a decent shot to make an impact. And he did fine on HAC, he had 3 high charting songs there and sold albums for a long time.

    Sometimes shit just doesn’t work out. It’s not always the big bad label’s fault IMO.

  • Kirsten

    Do you guys think it was a mistake for David to tour that long he toured for nearly a year? I think instead of focusing on making singles from the first album he focused on the tour.

    IDK. If he’d handed in the same album, would it have done better last year? There would certainly have been a year less for Idol fans to forget him.

    I do think that Kris Allen, Adam Lambert and Danny Gokey better get their butts in gear and release an album this year. Waiting until next year just erodes their fan bases more. Make sure there are 3-4 decent singles and the rest is acceptable (see Bruno Mars for how well that works). Making the perfect album is a great gift to your fans, but it may be the last gift you ever give them.

    I hate to do it, but I’m going to jump on the bandwagon with the folks who say that if this happens, that it will be a second single in name only. Pretty much along the lines of Lee’s second single. RCA continues to support TLG, and it seems like they are more than reluctant to make a change, so I don’t see them fully supporting a new song.

    Cook has shown that he can move a lot of units and be very popular. Lee has never done that so I can see them bailing on him at the first opportunity. Granted, Cook’s genre has kind of faded so that might give them pause. They should probably try something else with Cook, though, because he can sell.

    I can’t believe they didn’t have him sing something else on his album promo tour. TLG didn’t have enough AI to justify singing something familiar. It had had it’s chance and failed to get many listeners. That song just doesn’t sell itself.

  • tomk

    124. This Time – Pia Toscano

    I am trying to find “context” here. A day after release, is this considered good? Or do we need to wait to see how people beyond the rapid fans respond to it before we can make a determination on its success or failure?

  • HR

    I don’t believe it costs 1 million to market an AC single. That price tag was given for Rihanna. She’s marketed to formats that could be believed to have a high price attached.

    I do believe Sony has been struggling but I don’t believe David Cook’s issues are entirely affected by it. There is a long track record of alums struggling after the first record.

    A hit single is necessary for season 8 alums when releasing their sophomore albums but Jordin had a hit. Collectively fans of these alums will have to hold their breath until the album’s first week sales arrive.

    Kelly is on her fifth album. How season 7 or season 8 Idols perform on their sophomore releases has nothing to do with her release. If she flops it’s not because they didn’t do well and if she succeeds it doesn’t mean they will. Her contemporaries on the label are people like Avril, Ke$ha or Christina. Avril had a hit single but not a hit album. Ke$ha did well. Until the latest single with Adam Levine the prospects for Christina weren’t stellar. Divine Kelly’s prospects among their performance, her own history and quality of her new material but Lee DeWyze is not an indicator to how the new album will perform just because they once were both contestants on a reality show.

  • Kirsten

    The first original singles by the top two contestants on Season 1 of The Voice plummeted in their second week of release. They tumbled even further than the first singles by the top two contestants on Season 10 of American Idol did last month. Javier Colon’s “Stitch By Stitch” drops from #17 to #96. Dia Frampton’s “Inventing Shadows” drops from #20 clear off the chart. By comparison, Scotty McCreery’s “I Love You This Big” dropped from #11 to #35 in week 2. Lauren Alaina’s “Like My Mother Does” dropped from #20 to #60. “I Love You This Big” is still showing signs of life. The song rebounds from #73 to #64 in its seventh week.

    That’s the difference between getting your viewers interested in your contestants and judges rather than just your judges.

    Oh, and those first week sales by The Voice are juiced by them encouraging people to bulk buy to vote.

    Good run for Scotty. Idol Coronation songs don’t often stay in the Hot 100 for so long.

  • http://www.twilightslo.com Mateja

    I do think that Kris Allen, Adam Lambert and Danny Gokey better get their butts in gear and release an album this year. Waiting until next year just erodes their fan bases more. Make sure there are 3-4 decent singles and the rest is acceptable (see Bruno Mars for how well that works). Making the perfect album is a great gift to your fans, but it may be the last gift you ever give them.

    Yeah, pretty much. I would say, about half of the album (6 songs) should be really strong singles. Sure, labels rarely release 6 singles from the same project, but it’s good to have a few different options. For example, Bruno Mars planed to release “Marry You” as 3rd single, but then switched to “Lazy Song” because Train had a song with the same title on the charts at the time.
    Also, sometimes songs fly up the charts and sell well singles, but not the albums as much as you would typically expect. If that happens, a good number of singles on the album is also crucial. It’s all good, as long the artist can get songs on the radio and sells singles.

  • windmills

    Kelly will be fine. She’s got a sound she can still tailor to CHR, and people are buzzing about her new music even in leak form. I’m not sure about how RCA’s handling it but I really feel like once her music is out there for sale she’s got lots of casual fans who’ll buy her music. Daughtry is also outside the bubble but I think he may run into the same problem in a smaller magnitude, which is that middle of the road rock sound not being as popular on CHR and HAC as it used to be. But he’s working from a bigger and more established fanbase than Cook.

    tomk: I am trying to find “context” here. A day after release, is this considered good? Or do we need to wait to see how people beyond the rapid fans respond to it before we can make a determination on its success or failure?

    I’m seeing it at 103 right now. It was released what, 12 hours ago? The song doesn’t have much airplay, no Itunes ad, and it’s a late debut in a week where Demi Lovato’s the big story. True it got the Ryan Seacrest debut and Pia’s performing it on tour. There’s also some online exposure with AOL.

    I’d say it’s not so great that we can declare Pia the next big pop sensation but not so bad we can declare to be an overrated flop who proves Jimmy done lost his mind. Wait and see, wait and see. I’m interested to see where it peaks initially and then whether airplay and sales come later.

  • tripp_ncwy

    I do think that Kris Allen, Adam Lambert and Danny Gokey better get their butts in gear and release an album this year.

    Well Danny already has his debut single, Second Hand Heart that goes to adds Aug 8 with album TBD.

    Adam is rumored to be releasing his album Nov 8 with single TBD.

    Kris album & single TBD. Since Jive PR has played new music for major east coast pop stations as a priority for 4th qtr. I guess it would be safe to assume it will be this year. I suspect he may have a similar release schedule as his last album with a strong pop push. He has stated that he has a hand in writing all the songs on the new album.

    This all could change in a heartbeat.

  • Kirsten

    This all could change in a heartbeat.

    Yep. There were lots of signs indicating that Cook was going to release last year.

  • girlygirl

    I know Adam and Kris have been writing and recording pretty much continuously since January/February. I’ve lost track of where Danny is in the writing/recording process. I know he was in the studio prior to hosting that cruise in February. Did he go back in the studio after he came back from that, before he started doing the Taylor Swift dates? I really don’t have a handle of where he is in the process, even with his single coming out.

  • carson

    Daughtry’s rumored to be releasing this November. And according to RCA Ed (he’s everywhere, isn’t he): we had some very productive meetings this week for album #3, which we are rushing to finalize in time for a 2011 release, as you’ve no doubt heard from Chris himself. I also heard some new songs this week and can tell you they’ll ABSOLUTELY KNOCK YOUR SOCKS OFF!

    Chris tweeted months ago that the band will be recording this album at his home studio in July. A band mate wrote on twitter yesterday that he was boarding a plane for concerts and recording…

  • adolf_hipster

    Kris and Adam need to release their lead singles ASAP. It’s been more than a year since their last singles were released. They’re waiting too long.

    They should have released new single in the spring. They’re not established enough to take long breaks like these. It’s stupid not to release anything for more than a year when you’re not established on radio.

    Gaga and Kesha, Nicki Minaj, Bruno Mars, Chris Brown etc are releasing new single every 10 or 15 weeks and they do already have string of smashes.

  • Elliegrll

    Do you guys think it was a mistake for David to tour that long he toured for nearly a year? I think instead of focusing on making singles from the first album he focused on the tour. Singles are what make people aware you’re still in existence.

    I think the purpose of the tour was to try and build up David’s reputation among rock stations, and people who listen to alt rock/rock. I think that David has always had a supporter in Simon Fuller, and that Fuller realized that David would need time to establish his reputation if he was going to be a successful rock artist.

    The problems with the tour were that he was playing in front of just the idol fans, he needed songs that were getting more exposure than they were getting on HAC, and the people who run rock stations still see him as a someone who was manufactured by people who run a tv show.

    David is always going to have the problem of his music not fitting well on pop or HAC. I think instead of trying to force songs like TLG on him, that he and his label should look at the success that The Fray had with songs like How To Save a Life and You Found Me. These songs are similar to David’s style, but they have catchy choruses that work well on the radio.

  • girlygirl

    I see Pia’s single is at #103 on iTunes. I’m guessing that is sales mainly to her hardcore fans, but that’s not a bad start. I guess the next thing to watch for is whether the song picks up any adds next week. Does it have an official add date?

  • Trina

    I had my rant about TLG yesterday so I’ll refrain, but yeah I think RCA is utterly stupid for not even letting him sing another freaking song on TV. No matter how good people say it was it doesn’t help the song or album at all.

    Re: the Neverending tour. Well there will always be a debate about that amongst fans. Some think it didn’t impact him, but I’m in the group that thinks it DID. It went on too long and he could have started the entire album process earlier.

    James remains at #7 on the Rock chart woot! Given the criteria to chart there I still don’t get it but yay!

  • girlygirl

    Things can indeed change in a blink of an eye. Cook’s album was originally expected to be released last year, and how many times has Kelly’s release date been pushed back now? It was originally thought to be coming out this spring, wasn’t it? Danny’s album was expected out by now and so was Casey James’s.

    I do still expect Kelly, Danny, Kris, Adam, Kellie P and Daughtry to have their albums out by the end of 2011. From the last thing I saw, it looked like Casey J’s album might be pushed to the spring, with a single to be released in October. What’s the scoop on Carrie? Is she looking to release an album before the end of this year, too?

    There might be a major glut of ex-Idol releases in November/December (including Scotty, Lauren and/or Pia), which wouldn’t be ideal.

  • Truthiness

    This is not the direction you want to go in two weeks after dropping your album (unless you are in the top 10 and you have another single on the way like Blake Shelton).

    They should have switched singles weeks ago. Ugh.

    sigh. I’ve been frustrated for a bit that they didn’t switch the singles, when it became clear TLG wasn’t catching on. And now it might be too late, and who knows how much support David will get with a new single, if they finally decide to do a new one. And which one would that be?

  • Elliegrll

    I would let the Idols tour during the summer, but I think that first year, touring shouldn’t be the focus – the focus should be to keep the momentum, release more singles, get some high profile gigs, etc.

    I agree. I pretty much said the same thing about Kris’ tour last year. While it was nice that fans got to see him, and that he got the experience, it didn’t help increase his mainstream exposure, or help him build up a name for himself through radio, which will hurt him when it comes to releasing his second album. And it might even hurt him in terms of radio being open to playing his next single.

  • girlygirl

    I think David C is one of the Idols who is really caught in the trap of having music that doesn’t fit real well on the radio formats (CHR, Hot AC, Urban, Country) that are the most open to playing music from ex-Idols. Especially with Hot AC leaning more poppy these days. He really should be getting play on alt rock stations — IMO that’s the best fit for his stuff. But since alt rock stations are — in general — extremely resistant to playing music from ex-Idols, he’s got problems. It doesn’t help that TLG is not one of the strongest songs on the album (IMO, anyway) — it may be the most “radio friendly”, but it has no pop appeal — it’s pretty much limited to Hot AC/AC).

    Kelly’s music that has leaked has all been extremely CHR/rhythmic, so I don’t have any real worries about her. Kris and Adam both had several songs on their debut albums that likely would have fit pretty well on CHR stations — and from the info about who they are collaborating with, it seems like that will be the case this time around as well.

  • tigervixxxen

    DC wasn’t just playing to Idol fans, some of the concerts he did were for 4-5k crowds. I was at several of these in Canada. I agree that it took too long for him to release the second album but it is just not a timing issue but an erosion of the selling power of the Idol name. Maybe if they had tried a third single just to keep his name on the airwaves (maybe Heroes to coincide with the NBC sports promo run since many people have heard the song by now but have no clue to associate it with DC) or if he was working on music while touring but I can’t imagine that having a successful tour for a year is a bad thing in any way.

    Is Kris even recording yet? Everything I see from him on Twitter is about writing. Or is he recording as he goes? Does that mean he will have multiple producers too? I’d honestly be shocked if Kris releases this year IMO. It sounds like RCA is kicking it into full gear just to get Daughtry out by the end of the year. I’m also skeptical about Adam too but I can see RCA pushing to have him done as well. I thought Scotty and Lauren were going to be ready to release by the end of the summer. Everything about their roll out is set to capitalize on any possible quick momentum from the show. I can’t imagine either will be held until the holidays.

  • idolhound2011

    I dont give a crap what idol thinks.Love David Cook, and Lee Dewyze. Pia sucks. Can not watch her on stage, let alone buy her song.My guess is Sony is not doing anything for any idol they will drop Cook, and Lee, then the music can begin without idol. Looking forward to music without Sony and idol.

  • girlygirl

    From the reports I’ve seen, mainly on twitter, Kris has recorded a bunch of demos and I know he’s recorded at least one song (LYA) with his full band. The song he wrote with Ben Charles has been mixed and the one he wrote with Tebey and Warren Huart is also is the mixing stage. And at least one new song has already been registered withe BMI/ASCAP.

    It seems like things are moving along quickly enough to get the album out in November or December. I don’t think Jive would be playing his music to radio PDs if they didn’t expect it to be out this year.

    As for Daughtry, RCA has to kick it into high gear if they want anything out this year because he took time off after the twins were born, so he started the writing/recording process later than, say, Kris or Adam did.

    But as I said before, plans change quickly in this business.

  • girlygirl

    Pia tweeted this:

    PToscanoAI10
    Shooting the video for This Time

  • Elliegrll

    I agree that it took too long for him to release the second album but it is just not a timing issue but an erosion of the selling power of the Idol name.

    With the second album, they shouldn’t and can’t rely on the weight of the idol name. The whole point of the first album should be developing a name for the contestants as believable artists, and not continuing the idea that they are just idol contestants. As we’ve seen with the Davids, and every other alum, very few people are going to buy the second albums just because someone was on AI, and the same is true for getting airplay. It’s a waste of the AI launching pad if the alums, 19, and the labels don’t use the opportunity to show people that these alums are legitimate artists.

    Is Kris even recording yet?

    He’s been recording demos, but some of the producers seem to be going all out to make the demos sound like a finished track. He had one of the members of The Fray play on a demo that he finished a few weeks ago. But, I agree that he needs to get a single out soon. He needs as much time as possible to promote the single, and allow it time to saturate radio.

  • wordnerdarchie

    Cook’s song, The Last Goodbye, has finally appeared on Rate the Music this week.

  • Pippygirl

    I don’t know about Danny (don’t listen to country music) but I think Adam will be fine. Pop radio seems to have accepted him and he has a large, enthusiastic fanbase. I confess I am worried about Kris though. He has a much smaller Idol fan base than David and has been off radio for quite a while. Also even though LLWD was a hit it didn’t really do much to sell albums for Kris. I’m sure Jive knows he needs a really great lead off single and hopefully that’s what he will put out. And soon, dammit!!

  • fadetowhite

    Well, I don’t think anyone who bought Cook’s (or anyone else’s) second album does so because they were on Idol – that’s kind of a strange idea IMO. Because, if it was about Idol, people would have moved on with the seasons…

    People buy the second (and third…and fourth) album of whomever, because they like the music the person makes/has made. Speaking for myself, I only bought Cook’s first album, because I liked the music he had made before Idol: so at no point was I buying it because of Idol, beyond the fact that I wouldn’t know who he was without Idol and he attracted my attention through Idol.

    So yeah – Cook’s difficulty, is that not enough people who bought his album the first time around – presumably – liked his music enough to buy it the second time around. He seems to have had an even bigger than usual Idolfan drop off – from the early week figures, when it was definitely Idol watchers purchasing. So again – presumably – his real music is not in tune with the majority of Idol viewers who liked him enough on the show to buy DCTR.

    And, really – who cares? What matters is whether he can expand and find an audience beyond his remaining core fans – who are there for the music – this time because they like what he does as a musician, rather than a TV reality show contestant…

    Time will tell.

    But, whatever happens, I’m sure he has a core of people who will remain interested in buying his music.

  • Valentin432

    As far as idol releases this year, Kelly is a sure bet, everything seems to be moving at a faster pace.
    Scotty and Lauren are also sure bet because they try really hard to get those idol debut albums for christmas.
    Danny G. and Kellie P are good bets, but if their single don’t catch up on radio, the record company may decide to postpone.

    After that, I wouldn’t bet on anyone having more than a 50/50 chance.
    In fact, I would give Carrie as much of a chance to release something than anyone else (even tough we’ve heard nothing about the project) given her track record of releasing regularly every two years and I’m guessing Sony Nashville would make her a priority.

    Record companies have a lot of say in the release of albums, if they think your album can make them money they’ll put it on top of their pile and it will come out very fast.

  • mmb

    Ita that both Kris and Adam are waiting too long to release a single. While I appreciate that they both wanted to be involved in the writing process as much as possible, it should not be at the expense of timely releasing a new single to radio. Adam is in a bit better position than Kris because he had a song getting good pop ( and hac) airplay last summer into early fall, and has had scattered tv appearances last winter and spring etc. And he will have the vh1 stuff next month. So it won’t seem like he has been away as long. But still, both guys need a single out stat

  • Indigobunting

    Well, I have no inkling how Danny will do with album #2. I’m sure he will have the same fan base erosion they all do, and who knows if country radio is softening toward him or being more resistant with the 3 new Idols entering this fall/spring.

    I do expect his label to be as cheap with PR as they were the last time- no TV appearances (and no Idol at this time) or iTunes banner. Whether it is the Sony/19 way or just because he was a third placer who knows.

    I’ve lost track of where Danny is in the writing/recording process.

    He still says album out in the fall (he never said that it would be earlier, just that the single was due in March or April, which has been delayed). I know two songs were “recorded and would be on the album” in March. He recently said he’s written/co-written 25-30 songs they’d be picking from, as well as songs from other songwriters. I’m not expecting more than a few songs written by him since he is so new at it. His camp is generally more quiet about writers and songs than other Idols, I’ve noticed.

  • girlygirl

    well if you look at Brian M’s weekly Idol spin chart, both Kris and Adam have had songs in the Top 10 or so for the past 18 months or so. I still hear WWFM and LLWD on the radio a decent amount and their other stuff every once in awhile. So it’s not like they have totally disappeared from sight. Both have also had some gigs in the past months — for example, Kris being on the Memorial Day PBS Special. And of course, Adam will get a lot of pub when his BTM special airs next month.

    I would expect Adam’s single release to be timed to coincide with this BTM show. It may not be out by then, but somehow I think they will have it ready to go fairly soon after that airs. (ETA – MJ just posted in the headlines thread that this BTM special will air on August 7, not August 10. It looks like they simply moved the entire series to Sundays rather than Wednesdays)

    I’ve been saying for months that I expect Kris’s single to come out in September. I Have no real evidence to back this up, other than Jive playing something of his to radio PDs at that listening party. But for some reason I’m just getting this vibe that it’s following the pattern of his first release — single in September, album in November.

  • Elliegrll

    As far as idol releases this year, Kelly is a sure bet, everything seems to be moving at a faster pace.

    Both Carrie and Daughtry recently indicated that their releases have been fast tracked. Carrie posted on her blog that even though she has not finished writing her album, the label wants her to go into the studio and record a single. Daughtry has had some similar tweets. I can’t help but wonder what’s the rush.

  • Elliegrll

    well if you look at Brian M’s weekly Idol spin chart, both Kris and Adam have had songs in the Top 10 or so for the past 18 months or so.

    I’m sorry, but that chart is meaningless. It doesn’t matter what these artists are doing in comparison to other AI alums. The chart doesn’t give us a real world idea of how these people are doing on their home charts, or how many people are actually getting to hear these songs played.

    The Memorial Day concert is nice, but Kat was doing PBS concerts for years, and couldn’t sell anything, and I doubt they did too much for her in terms of letting people know who she is. In her case, the viewers were more likely to be people who listen to the radio format that was playing her music, but I don’t think the same is true in Kris’ case. Mainstream exposure and promotion has to go beyond doing radio shows for a few random stations and charity events.

  • windmills

    Valentin432: As far as idol releases this year, Kelly is a sure bet, everything seems to be moving at a faster pace.
    Scotty and Lauren are also sure bet because they try really hard to get those idol debut albums for christmas.
    Danny G. and Kellie P are good bets, but if their single don’t catch up on radio, the record company may decide to postpone.

    I agree that Kelly, Scotty, and Lauren are sure bets. I think Kellie’s very likely and I expect Daughtry will be out too.

    I’m not so sure about Danny. He’s only recorded 2 songs. If he’s planning on recording more this summer he may have to do it with another producer because Mark Bright’s busy with Scotty and he’s also going to be busy with Carrie. Too, unless the label’s willing to put out an album no matter what happens to the single, it’ll be a while before Danny’s single has a chance of doing something (if it does anything). Keep in mind that with non-Idol country acts, labels don’t like releasing full albums unless there’s a t20 single to push sales. If Danny’s releasing a single having recorded so few songs then IMO the label’s in wait and see mode.

    Valentin432: In fact, I would give Carrie as much of a chance to release something than anyone else (even tough we’ve heard nothing about the project) given her track record of releasing regularly every two years and I’m guessing Sony Nashville would make her a priority.

    The one thing Carrie’s said over and over again is she doesn’t want to rush the album and it’ll come together when it comes together. She’s been writing since February and also she’s been collecting songs from other writers. We have 13 titles registered at different databases but obviously lots unaccounted for.

    When Carrie blogged in late June, she said the label REALLLLLLY wanted her to get into studio to record the songs she’d played for them so she was getting started. But she also said she still feels like there’s gaps on the album and she wants to keep writing like Elliegrll said.

    Back in February/March Jimmy Carter said not to expect new Carrie music until Christmas – this was around when he got the scoop on Carrie recording with Brad. Nobody knows if that means a new single or a new album but either way, it sounds like it’s been the plan for a while.

    IMO based on Carrie’s blog it kind of sounds like the label’s leaning on her to get going so they can release an album this year. Plus the fact that Carrie’s said she and Brad are going to see if they can do something special with Remind Me for her album makes it seem like they might be able to hit a 2011 release date too. But if it is 2011 then it’ll probably be pretty late in the year.

  • Lucy1234

    it’ll be a while before Danny’s single has a chance of doing something (if it does anything).

    Not sure that part in parentheses is really necessary since the single has not even been released yet (Aug 8th goes for adds) but I do agree that Danny is not a sure bet for an album release this year since he has only recorded two songs so far (that we know of), both of which I believe were produced by Mark Bright (SHH was produced by him for sure). However, I love Danny’s new single Second Hand Heart and I hope that it does well on radio. I prefer to look to the positive as opposed to hinting at failure before the song is even released but that’s just me. AND you never know, Mark Bright might just fit Danny into his busy schedule.

  • girlygirl

    Elliegrll

    ok, but if you include recurrents, Adam’s WWFM is still #44 on the mediabase Hot AC chart and #39 on the AC chart, while Kris’s LLWD is #37 on the AC chart. That’s for all artists, not just Idols. These songs got 1300+ spins last week — not bad for having been released nearly 2 years ago. Much better than not getting any airplay at all, IMO

  • CindyM

    I’m sorry, but that chart is meaningless. It doesn’t matter what these artists are doing in comparison to other AI alums. The chart doesn’t give us a real world idea of how these people are doing on their home charts, or how many people are actually getting to hear these song
    s played.

    I don’t know about LLWD, but WWFM is #45 on the HAC when you include recurrents with an AI of 4.86. Spins on that format are around 750 or so, but the AI is pretty good for that number of spins. Based on his collaborators, though, I think they’re targeting CHR, so I agree that exposure in that format is what’s important. I don’t know that the Nov 8 date for Adam is accurate, but RCAEd did say that Adam and Daughtry will probably release within two weeks of each other, which would put Daughtry on track for Black Friday, which I could definitely see happening.

  • Indigobunting

    If he’s planning on recording more this summer he may have to do it with another producer because Mark Bright’s busy with Scotty and he’s also going to be busy with Carrie.

    AND you never know, Mark Bright might just fit Danny into his busy schedule.

    Mark loves Danny (he had wanted to sign him for his own label originally before Danny declined) and Danny loves Mark; but he did say at a recent radio visit that they weren’t sure if they were going to have Mark do the whole album or “explore other sounds”.
    Even if he wants Mark Bright and he is busy with Scotty, I would say it would not be a bad thing at all to work with another producer. I think he does overproduce at times and with a great voice like Danny’s you just don’t need all that production.

    but I do agree that Danny is not a sure bet for an album release this year

    I agree. They are probably considering have him debut album on Idol again next year since they are cheap with PR and he had a great response S9.

  • girlygirl

    Pia’s single is up to #80 on iTunes now

  • girlygirl

    Since Danny’s single is already out, it would be strange to me if they didn’t release his album until next spring. That’s a long time between single and album — unless of course, they do the strategy of releasing multiple singles before the album is released

  • saga

    I think it makes sense that Carrie’s label wants to try and squeeze in a release during Q4 since she is a big album seller. Though they have to make that decision pretty soon because retail space etc has to be planned early for Q4. But I would guess December for Carrie so they have a chance in july/aug to see if they have enough material to go for it.

    Given the rumors we’ve heard from Daughtry and Adam I think they’re set for Q4 but I think that must also be decided this month if they haven’t already. I think Kris is more likely to be scheduled in Q1 2012. He’s not proven to be a big album seller (yet) and I would wait for a less competative time of the year… both when it comes to albums and singles. Also a Q1 release could use AI S11 for promo…

  • Elliegrll

    I think Kris is more likely to be scheduled in Q1 2012. He’s not proven to be a big album seller (yet) and I would wait for a less competative time of the year… both when it comes to albums and singles. Also a Q1 release could use AI S11 for promo…

    So, you think that when the Jive execs. played a snippet of his song for the VIP’s from Clear Channel Pop radio stations, and said that he was one of their priorities for the fourth quarter that they were lying? For me, that’s a pretty good indication of their plans, it’s a lot more solid than message board posts from a website moderator or tweets.

  • saga

    So, you think that when the Jive execs. played a snippet of his song for the VIP’s from Clear Channel Pop radio stations, and said that he was one of their priorities for the fourth quarter that they were lying? For me, that’s a pretty good indication of their plans, it’s a lot more solid than message board posts from a website moderator or tweets.

    No, but I don’t see it as evidence that his album will be out Q4. I think if it will be scheduled for Q4 we’d know pretty soon due to retailer issues. He could release a single in Q4 and still release his album in Q1.

  • sma11ie

    I think RCA is utterly stupid for not even letting him sing another freaking song on TV. No matter how good people say it was it doesn’t help the song or album at all.

    I kind of agree with this. But that’s not new either, so I don’t even know what else to say. I also wish they’d let him perform a different song but I guess that’s not up to me.

    At the end of the day, I really believe that while the first month or so of DCTR’s sales may have been driven by David’s popularity on Idol, most of the rest of his 1.3 million records sold were a result of people having been exposed to, be it through radio or big TV appearances, upwards of 3 or more of the following SEVEN songs: TOML, LO, CBTM, Declaration (SNL), Lie (Carrie special), Heroes (tons of NBC and other network sports coverage), Permanent (2009 Idol finale).

    In aggregate, the fact that lots of people got exposed to several songs from this diverse list of songs meant that there was a greater likelihood they liked at least something, if not more than one song. Hearing and liking more than one song is usually pretty helpful in helping people decide to buy an album. I’m not saying big album sales don’t happen anymore on the strength of just the first lead-off single, but that first single needs to be damn strong, or that artist needs to be really established.

    So yeah. What I’m saying is, since people aren’t responding to TLG, why not use promo to expose audiences to some other songs? I also believe TLG is one of the weaker songs on the album. I just created an “abridged” TLM playlist today and it did not contain TLG…

  • girlygirl

    As far as I know, Kelly is the only Idol who is expected to release an album in the next 6 months or so who has anything even approaching an official release date (October) — and that’s been pushed back at least twice.

    Everyone else seems to have nothing more than vague comments “sometime this fall” “before the end of the year”, etc. Even if they are a “priority” at the label, that necessarily doesn’t mean the album will be ready by the end of the year or that the release date can’t change.

    It would be nice if the label(s) would announce something official for these guys already. All these guessing games just make me dizzy

  • saga

    I just wanted to bring focus on how busy Q4 is and I think if you want to release in nov/dec there is a limit to how late that can be decided. I think it has to be set/booked as early as june/july. And I see a reason when it comes to Carrie to rush for such a decision because she can really benefit by Q4 sales. Same goes for Daughtry.

    When it comes to Kris, I would do it differently. I don’t think there is a reason to push for a Q4 release but I would focus more on getting 1-2 singles charting before releasing album 2. So… if I were Jive I would use all of Q4 to release 2 strong singles and release the album in Q1.

    Basically what I am saying is that I think Kris will get higher album sales in Q1 if they can get 1-2 singles charting before release date than he would releasing it in Q4. If Kris could secure 1-2 HAC hits, or even CHR, and then kick off his album release week with an AI performance of a KNOWN hit I think that would be really good.

  • tigervixxxen

    Thanks for the info about Kris. I really am looking forward to his next album and I’d really like to see him in concert headlining next time around. I only got to see him with BNL and it wasn’t enough :) I know how the demo game goes, seems like it is a long process and never ending. But I can see if Kris doesn’t have just one producer that he could be getting some stuff recorded for the album. Hope to hear more details from him soon.

    And yeah I agree Idols can’t ride on the association forever and that they need to build a fan base outside of Idol through radio and touring. Absolutely. But my comment was more in general about just how far the brand equity has diminished. At one point there was Idol merch everywhere at the store, posters, backpacks, pencils, ect. I remember a couple years ago a radio DJ com me ting that 1/3 of their playlist was Idols. I really do think there is a backlash or just not seeing the value in the name recognition and the association from Idol. I know the economy, the singles market and the dance popification of the radio hasn’t helped either. It’s nice that Fantasia and Mandisa have Urban AC and Christian radio to retreat to as their “home genre” and of course Country but it’s unfortunate when those “mainstream” Idols have nowhere to turn to once mainstream got bored with them. We saw it first happen with Archie who had a monster CHR smash in Crush and just had nowhere to go from there. I see what has happened the last few years for many different Idols as a variation on the same theme.

  • jpfan

    A November release date shows alot of faith in the product. So anyone who drops their album then should be in pretty good shape. The folks releasing in January etc. — not so much.

    However, there could be 3-5 S10 folks releasing albums in the fall as well. Scotty, Lauren, Pia, Haley?, James? At a certain point, it’s Idol overload.

  • mmb

    So, you think that when the Jive execs. played a snippet of his song for the VIP’s from Clear Channel Pop radio stations, and said that he was one of their priorities for the fourth quarter that they were lying? For me, that’s a pretty good indication of their plans, it’s a lot more solid than message board posts from a website moderator or tweets.

    Releasing a cd early in q1 2012 isn’t inconsistent with making a single a q4 priority. Jive may want to do a hard single push in the fall and then release a cd in early winter when the single is peaking. Or want to release 2 singles before the cd. Not saying this is the plan. Have no idea whether Kris ( or anyone other than Scotty Lauren and Kelly) has a fall cd release date but a q1 cd release for Kris wouldn’t be inconsistent with any jive statements thus far. It may even be better to get as much traction as possible with a single ( or 2) and then release during a less competitive time if the year. Worked for Kesha

  • saga

    A November release date shows alot of faith in the product. So anyone who drops their album then should be in pretty good shape. The folks releasing in January etc. — not so much.

    I just think Nov/Dec release dates are un-flexible and you need to be secure in your product early because retailers need time to arrange the christmas sale and the competition for promo in this period is fierce. So unless you have a lot to gain by releasing in late Q4 it might be easier to release another time.

  • CindyM

    For me, that’s a pretty good indication of their plans, it’s a lot more solid than message board posts from a website
    moderator or tweets

    Where did the info about what the Jive exec said about Kris’s single come from? All the information we have about Daughtry is from tweets and the same website moderator. What has Kris himself said about release dates?

  • tripp_ncwy

    Where did the info about what the Jive exec said about Kris’s single?

    http://www.hot995.com/pages/toby.html?an=Kris-Allen-New-Stuff-on-the-Way

    Here is what Knapp actually said on twitter.
    tkradio toby knapp
    re: @krisallen – senior jive promo evp says 2 me in IM convo “it’s really good isn’t it?” re: new song… so that is a great sign imho.
    2 Jun

  • Mike M

    I agree that Kelly, Scotty, and Lauren are sure bets. I think Kellie’s very likely and I expect Daughtry will be out too.

    Pia, also. By the way, windmills (and anyone else interested) I posted a link on the Idol Headlines 7/14 thread of a three-part interview with Scotty’s mom by a Raleigh, N.C. radio station this morning. She talks about Scotty’s album some and mentions Lauren and Pia are also in the process of recording. Nice lady and a good interview. Talks about some of the behind the scenes life of the kids on the tour.

  • Pam

    i-tunes:

    76. This Time – Pia Toscano

  • adolf_hipster

    A November release date shows alot of faith in the product. So anyone who drops their album then should be in pretty good shape. The folks releasing in January etc. — not so much.

    ummmmmm Ke$ha (one of the biggest Sony cash cows, if not THE biggest atm) released Q1 2010, Adele released Q1 2011. I’m pretty sure their labels knew exactly how strong their releases are and believed in the projects very much.

  • Elliegrll

    However, there could be 3-5 S10 folks releasing albums in the fall as well. Scotty, Lauren, Pia, Haley?, James? At a certain point, it’s Idol overload.

    Both Scotty and Lauren have stated that their albums are scheduled to be released in September. Considering that Pia has already recorded 8 songs for her album, I wouldn’t be surprised if her album came out in September too.

    I just think Nov/Dec release dates are un-flexible and you need to be secure in your product early because retailers need time to arrange the christmas sale and the competition for promo in this period is fierce. So unless you have a lot to gain by releasing in late Q4 it might be easier to release another time.

    It must just be me, but Jive deciding to play Kris’ song for important industry people, and saying that he is a priority for the fourth quarter indicates that they do have a lot of faith. As we know, many Sony labels were at this event, and not every artist who is slated to release new music at the end of the year was mentioned, so I think it says something about how the label feels about the music that they did showcase. Thankfully, that’s the difference between you and Jive. Jive has faith in him, and you don’t. That’s fine, but dismissing Jive previewing the music as not being a major indicator of when the album and single will be released doesn’t make a lot of sense.

    Any singles that are released late in the year, without the benefit of a album release date, will get lost in the Christmas slowdown, as well as in the new music from established artists who are releasing albums in November, so it’s hard to believe that this is what Jive had in mind when they labeled Kris a priority.

  • adolf_hipster

    I remember a couple years ago a radio DJ com me ting that 1/3 of their playlist was Idols. I really do think there is a backlash or just not seeing the value in the name recognition and the association from Idol.

    eh. It’s all about the material. Archie flopped because his songs were not good enough. David Cook is flopping because his songs are not good enough. If they would release strong material (that FITS radio in 2011), they would get airplay.

    You can see it with Kelly. When she released good songs (her 2nd and 4th album) she got the attention from radio she needed. On the other hand when she released something that sucked, even her big status back then didn’t help her to get airplay.

    RiRi had bunch of flops on Rated R, Beyonce has flops, Gaga has a flop too….no matter how big (or small) you are, it’s all about great songs.

    Of course it’s not black and white and u need label backing, BUT when u don’t have it, it’s most likely because the people at the label think your material sucks and there’s no reason to spend millions on it. Unless the label thinks you can make all those millions back (and some extra), they’re not gonna spend them on you. It’s just like any other business.

  • Elliegrll

    A November release date shows alot of faith in the product. So anyone who drops their album then should be in pretty good shape. The folks releasing in January etc. — not so much.

    I think the reverse could be true. Labels know that albums that are coming out in November can benefit from boosts from Holiday shoppers, while January is usually the lowest month for album sales. So, when Adele’s label released her album in January, they did so knowing that this trend wouldn’t hurt her, because she was established enough, and had enough promotion to avoid the post Christmas blues. She’s big enough on her own, so she didn’t need the Christmas boost.

  • saga

    It must just be me, but Jive deciding to play Kris’ song for important industry people, and saying that he is a priority for the fourth quarter indicates that they do have a lot of faith

    What I mean by faith is a major part (the album carrying part) of the songs in final production around now.

    Any singles that are released late in the year, without the benefit of a album release date, will get lost in the Christmas slowdown, as well as in the new music from established artists who are releasing albums in November, so it’s hard to believe that this is what Jive had in mind when they labeled Kris a priority.

    Why would they wait? If he has a good single send it to radio in aug/sep.

  • tripp_ncwy

    Also for Jive, I doubt they will want to miss getting Kris out in front of huge crowds at the Christmas Jingle Balls for pop stations with new music.

  • Eileen99

    I’m not following the reasoning of the discussion about the Kris release date, tbh. While other Idols may have had their music played for other radio PDs, we do know Jive played Kris music for Pop stations. So how did we leap from Jive previewing his music as part of their second half 2011 preview to Jive not releasing his album Q4? Does someone have some evidence that it isn’t being released Q4? Why does the “limited retail space” argument only apply to Kris’ album?

    Saga, do you have a source where you heard his album isn’t coming out in 2011? If so, it would be great if you’d share, otherwise I’m not following why you’re singling Kris’ release out.

  • saga

    I have never said anything about limited retailing space. All I said was that I think that if you want to release in nov/dec then a major part of your album has to be release ready around NOW. Because it is around now that those release dates are booked and promo for that period is booked.

    No label is going to decide a release date for an album without hearing and approving a major part of the songs. I have seen Kris write a lot of song but not heard anything about being in the production stage. Maybe I am wrong… but so what? I am just posting my thoughts, not attacking anyone. I see no reason to lock Kris into a situation with a Q4 release now unless a major part of the songs are done… he is not a big album seller. Why not push a few singles and release in a more flexible time of the year?

    Now if a major part of the album is in final production then things might be different. I decided to post because no one was considering the element of time that exist if you want to release nov/dec.

  • Elliegrll

    I’m not following the reasoning of the discussion about the Kris release date, tbh.

    I don’t get it either.

    What I mean by faith is a major part (the album carrying part) of the songs in final production around now.

    We have no clue how close anyone is to the final production stages. My guess is that Daughtry, Adam, Kris, Carrie, and Danny are no where near this stage, but that doesn’t mean that their labels aren’t planning on releasing their albums in November or December.

    I don’t think you’ve been following Daughtry and Carrie. Carrie is still writing her album, and Daughtry didn’t start tracking his until this month. Both just went into the studio this month, so I don’t understand how that works with your theory. I also don’t understand how you are coming to the conclusion about how far along in the process Kris is.

    Why would they wait? If he has a good single send it to radio in aug/sep.

    LOL, well obviously, at the time of their meeting with the radio executives Jive had no plans on waiting until next year to release new music from Kris.

  • saga

    We have no clue how close anyone is to the final production stages. My guess is that Daughtry, Adam, Kris, Carrie, and Danny are no where near this stage, but that doesn’t mean that their labels aren’t planning on releasing their albums in November or December.

    Oh we do for Chris. He has been tweeting about his progress and we also know he has been to RCA. I have no clue about Adam and concerning Carrie they seem to yet be undecided, meaning they need to see some more material before they decide.

    LOL, well obviously, at the time of their meeting with the radio executives Jive had no plans on waiting until next year to release new music from Kris.

    Are you being deliberately obtuse? You see no difference between an album release and a single release? I tried to bring the realism of WHEN the nov/dec releases has to be decided as opposed to a release in march.

  • Elliegrll

    Saga, I think it’s a good thing that you are not in charge of Kris’ career. Obviously Kris has been sending the songs that he’s worked on to Jive, or else they wouldn’t have had anything to play for the PDs. Kris hasn’t exactly been doing rough demos, he’s been recording these songs with Producers as well as studio musicians. As I pointed out earlier, one of the demos was produced by one of the producers for The Fray, and included one of the group’s members playing on the song. These demos could turn out to be the final product, or they may bring in another producer to help them finish the way that they sound.

    Nobody is locking Kris into anything. It was his label who decided that he would be a priority for Q4, so I don’t get the issue, or why you see that as a problem.

  • Eileen99

    No label is going to decide a release date for an album without hearing and approving a major part of the songs. I have seen Kris write a lot of song but not heard anything about being in the production stage. Maybe I am wrong… but so what? I am just posting my thoughts, not attacking anyone. I see no reason to lock Kris into a situation with a Q4 release now unless a major part of the songs are done… he is not a big album seller. Why not push a few singles and release in a more flexible time of the year?

    LOL I’m certainly not attacking you. I’m asking if you have some information that leads you to believe Kris, out of of all the Idols being discussed, is not likely to release his album this year. I don’t understand why you’re only applying your reasoning to his release and not the others, that’s all.

  • Elliegrll

    Oh we do for Chris. He has been tweeting about his progress and we also know he has been to RCA. I have no clue about Adam and concerning Carrie they seem to yet be undecided, meaning they need to see some more material before they decide.

    I’m not being obtuse Saga, just pointing out that what you are saying doesn’t go along with the facts as we know them. I don’t see how Daughtry, who just finished the writing process, is further along in the process than Kris is. Kris just went to visit Jive a few weeks ago, so I don’t get your point there either. You seem to be operating under the belief that Jive hasn’t heard any of the music that Kris has worked on, which is something that we know isn’t true, or make a lot of sense.

    As far as Carrie, she posted that they now want her to go into the studio, and they want to rush her to release music. I don’t see how you get undecided out of that. She, and Chris, both wrote that their labels like what they saw, which is why they were rushing them.

    Neither had gone into the studio to record the finished product before now, so that doesn’t go along with your statement about the bulk of the album needing to be completed. Both had been doing what Kris has been doing, sending completed demos to their labels so that they can pick out a certain number that might be included on the album.

  • saga

    LOL I’m certainly not attacking you. I’m asking if you have some information that leads you to believe Kris, out of of all the Idols being discussed, is not likely to release his album this year. I don’t understand why you’re only applying your reasoning to his release and not the others, that’s all.

    Hmm… I think a part of my reasoning is what would be beneficial for each artists. I have the impression from tweets and other things that Daughtry has had most progress so far and I see him as an artist that can benefit from a Q4 release since he prob will sell a lot of albums. Same for Carrie though they do seem to have a lot left to do on the next album (and therefore havent yet decided). I can see them pushing her so they can decide because Q4 would mean a lot of additional sales for her.

    That leaves Adam and Kris (which I guess this is all about really). I have no clue how far Adam is when it comes to era2 except some tweets here and there or if Kris is closer to final production. If I were a label I would take a chance on Adam and push to see if he could produce something for Q4 since he has sold decent before. As for Kris… I would take my time and make sure I had 2 charting singles before releasing the album. Both of them seem to be cutting it close and I just don’t see a reason to rush Kris’ release because he is not an album seller (and that doesn’t mean no music in Q4). Better to tie the release with eventual AI promo, maybe they can negotiate for the boot song etc.

  • Eileen99

    That leaves Adam and Kris (which I guess this is all about really).

    No, I have no interest one way or the other when Adam’s album comes out.

    Thanks for explaining your reasoning further. I don’t agree with it, but that makes no difference, heh. I think Jive would be foolish not to take advantage of holiday sales if Kris had his album ready, but I guess we’ll wait & see what happens.

  • Tess

    If I’m not mistaken in past years the idol tour ended mid September. 8 weeks later idolettes had an album in the can and ready for release…sometimes with an earlier released single, sometimes not. Even if there was some recording going on…the majority of the finish work was done during October. Why would it be so different, now? If Daughtry and Kris and Adam and Danny and whomever else have their music written and chosen by mid September they can lay down tracks for four weeks and be all set to go.

    I sometimes think that the Cookie album saga has really distorted the mind set of bubblettes….it’s like there is this huge time factor from the collection of material to the recording of tracks. It only takes a few hours to record….not weeks and weeks. And considering that except for Daughtry, the musicians working with the idolettes can be any session musician. I don’t think the others are contracted to record with their touring bands, as far as I know, so getting “everybody” together isn’t an issue either.

    And, as far as I am concerned, having the luxury of time to “fiddle away” with songs and to re-record, re-write, and re-think every blasted tune a million times doesn’t always produce the best albums…see Cook, David.

    Isn’t Kris in Nashville now…and isn’t Nashville one of the recording capitals of the world with a studio on every corner. I would be surprised if he isn’t laying down tracks. And we know that the twitter verse has seen fit to let us know that Adam has been in the studio, and Danny and Daughtry have said they have been. So what’s the concern?

    ETA…And as far as idol overload….well other than the season 10 crew the others better be recording for their fanbase and not for bubblettes. Besides not all the idols are going after the same fanbase not the same genre so what does it matter. And the idols are going to face a lot stiffer competition from the recording industry at large…the competition thing between idols should be really insignificant in the grand scheme of things. I just can’t see the casual fan trying to decide whether they are going to spend their Christmas bonus on Adam or Kris or Carrie or Daughtry….If they like the music they’ll buy if they don’t they won’t.

  • saga

    Isn’t Kris in Nashville now…and isn’t Nashville one of the recording capitals of the world with a studio on every corner. I would be surprised if he isn’t laying down tracks. And we know that the twitter verse has seen fit to let us know that Adam has been in the studio, and Danny and Daughtry have said they have been. So what’s the conern?

    My input in this discussion was just to point out that if you plan to release in nov/dec then you have to decide that NOW (or in end of june). That means there has to be enough material to support an album NOW even if it will be released 6 months from now. If we haven’t heard anything around aug/sep then it aint going to happen.

  • girlygirl

    Kris met with Jive when he was in New York last month and played them a bunch of his music. To me, that’s an indication that he is fairly far along in the process. Now where he is in the process compared to where Adam or Daughtry or whoever are, who knows.

    Here’s Kris’s tweet from June 16

    KrisAllen
    #Alright I’m up and packed and ready to go back but before I go gonna head over to @JiveMusic and discuss some muzac.

    ETA -
    Also, Kris has been in the studio several times this summer. For example, he was just in the studio last week. Both Warren Huart and Tebey tweeted about that…

  • jmaster

    It makes sense to me that Kris is a Q4 priority for Jive. Looking at their roster Kris and Jordin seem to be next in line for album releases. Of their artists that get CHR/HAC airplay, Usher and Pink are now in between albums, then Britney and Chris Brown are already on their third or fourth singles. Hot Chelle Rae has one more single that they plan to release. Once their eras are done, Jive seems to have an opening on radio for Q4.

    Even with the Epic/Jive merger the same thing appears to be the case at Epic. Sara Bareilles is likely done with singles, The Script are in the middle of their era, leaving The Fray as the only upcoming release.

  • Eileen99

    It makes sense to me that Kris is a Q4 priority for Jive. Looking at their roster Kris and Jordin seem to be next in line for album releases. Of their artists that get CHR/HAC airplay, Usher and Pink are now in between albums, then Britney and Chris Brown are already on their third or fourth singles. Hot Chelle Rae has one more single that they plan to release.
    Once their eras are done, Jive seems to have an opening on radio for Q4.

    Exactly what I was saying earlier, which also goes along with Jive previewing his music for radio stations.

    It has nothing to do with fanwars or somehow having delusional or unrealistic expectations for sales, it’s taking advantage of holiday sales while your label has an opening to promo your release. I don’t know of any Kris fans who have crazy expectations for sales, but it would make sense to shoot for holiday sales.

  • Tess

    My input in this discussion was just to point out that if you plan to release in nov/dec then you have to decide that NOW (or in end of june).

    Is the concern that we haven’t gotten a formal release date from anyone? I kind of think dates are like a game of chicken. You want your competition to show their cards first so you can be a little more flexible for your release weekend. No pop male artist wants to be releasing the same week as 15 other pop male guys are. So keeping things a bit more vague and saying fall and then November and then finally narrowing down the date is pretty standard. And I still think that there are lots of Idolettes targeting “fall” at this point.

    Besides we have heard “buzz” about possible photo shoots and other pre-album sojourns and I don’t think peeps would be spending dollars on professional photo spreads only to decide to move their album out 6 months or a year….hell, who looks the same after that length of time.

  • saga

    It has nothing to do with fanwars or somehow having delusional or unrealistic expectations for sales, it’s taking advantage of holiday sales while your label has an opening to promo your release. I don’t know of any Kris fans who have crazy expectations for sales, but it would make sense to shoot for holiday sales.

    So why is my thoughts on a different strategy so controversial? To me it is not about expectation but about what would be the best situation for an artist. I was asked to motivate my thoughts of the different artists since apparently I judged them differently. Well, to me they have different strengths.

  • Elliegrll

    My input in this discussion was just to point out that if you plan to release in nov/dec then you have to decide that NOW (or in end of june). That means there has to be enough material to support an album NOW even if it will be released 6 months from now. If we haven’t heard anything around aug/sep then it aint going to happen.

    Don’t worry Saga, with all of the writing and recording that Kris has been doing, I’m sure that he has enough material to make an album. I’m also sure that someone at Jive has been looking over the songs that he’s submitted, and based on the tweets that Kris made after he met with Jive, it would seem that the sound of the album was a topic of the discussion that they had.

    Hot Chelle Rae has one more single that they plan to release.

    They are gearing up to release an album. Jive Promo tweeted a great article about them, and how the label stuck by them even though their first album didn’t even chart in the top 200, and their singles failed to break into the top 20. http://www.billboard.biz/bbbiz/genre/rock-and-pop/hot-chelle-rae-the-story-behind-the-success-1005263712.story

  • saga

    Is the concern that we haven’t gotten a formal release date from anyone? I kind of think dates are like a game of chicken. You want your competition to show their cards first so you can be a little more flexible for your release weekend. No pop male artist wants to be releasing the same week as 15 other pop male guys are. So keeping things a bit more vague and saying fall and then November and then finally narrowing down the date is pretty standard. And I still think that there are lots of Idolettes targeting “fall” at this point

    No thats not what I mean… I mean retailers need to know so they can plan nov/dec. Itunes need to know so they can plan promos. TV stations need to know. From what I understand, usually you need to let retailers etc know 3 months in advance but for the nov/dec season they plan 6 months in advance. I am talking about a practical limitation.

  • suenigma

    You can see it with Kelly. When she released good songs (her 2nd and 4th album) she got the attention from radio she needed. On the other hand when she released something that sucked, even her big status back then didn’t help her to get airplay.

    LOL. I and many others consider kelly’s 3rd album her best album, by far, and her 4th album, save for a couple of songs, a rather generic, poppy mess. I remember when her 4th came out, critics on this site and in the media were pretty scathing. I call it it quality in retrospect. Heh.

    I also happen to think that David Cook has an album full of really good to great songs this go round. No stellar CHR singles, perhaps, but that is not the only or truest measure of quality, IMO.

  • tripp_ncwy

    I don’t think the others are contracted to record with their touring bands, as far as I know, so getting “everybody” together isn’t an issue either.

    Members of KAB have played on several of Kris’ demos.

    There are at least 5 tracks that I don’t see as typical rough demos.
    1. The track the Neon Trees producer worked on. Kris laid down vocals & then the producer brought in a full band for two days to lay down the music.

    2. The two Steve Miller/David Hodges tracks took weeks to complete.

    3. The Ben Charles track

    4. The recent Tebey/Warren Huart track where he brought in the drummer from the Fray & are still finalizing the mix.

    These are just the ones that have been mentioned publicly. These may not be final recordings but with all the effort put in them. if they are selected for the album there shouldn’t be much more that needs to be done. Isn’t it common that they keep writing up until the last minute?

  • saga

    These are just the ones that have been mentioned publicly. These may not be final recordings but with all the effort put in them. if they are selected for the album there shouldn’t be much more that needs to be done. Isn’t it common that they keep writing up until the last minute?

    I think the CD needs to be pressed 1-1.5 months before release date and I also think everyone releasing late Q4 will keep working up until then, but what I have been trying to say is that the decision for releasing or not will be decided of what they have NOW (as opposed to releasing at a different time). So if Jive feel these 5 songs or whatever Kris has so far are enough to support a release in late Q4 then that’s ok.

  • Elliegrll

    So why is my thoughts on a different strategy so controversial? To me it is not about expectation but about what would be the best situation for an artist. I was asked to motivate my thoughts of the different artists since apparently I judged them differently. Well, to me they have different strengths.

    Your theory isn’t controversial, I just don’t think it’s based on all of the facts:

    1. Album sales dry up in January, so exactly how is it safer to release an album then instead of in November? We also know that it will be harder to get a single played towards the end of the year, especially if an artist doesn’t have an album coming out, and is not getting attention from other sources that can bring him some industry buzz. The charts will be clogged up with new releases from those who will be taking advantage of the Holiday buying period.

    2. You are not basing them on the facts about how far along Kris is in the process, or whether or not Jive has music that he’s written, and has been picking out which songs he will record. We actually know for a fact that they have heard his music, and that the song had some level of production, or else they wouldn’t have played it for the Clear Channel people. If you follow Kris, you also know that he’s been working with Producers as well as sound engineers during these writing sessions, so yes, he’s been in the studio.

    3. It’s July 14th, and neither Daughtry or Carrie had gone into the studio to record before this month.

  • steph6449

    I don’t think the others are contracted to record with their touring bands, as far as I know, so getting “everybody” together isn’t an issue either.

    It’s not clear how much was used in the final production cut for SHH, and not sure if we have yet heard the final cut on WMO. But Danny’s band members were expecting to be involved in some form in his recording process, and he tweeted something when he was recording Second Hand Heart and Win Me Over about the “band killing it.”

    Getting the band together shouldn’t be any huge logistical deal though as far as recording. They all live and work out of Nashville as far as I’ve heard.

    There’s a noticeable female backup vocal in SHH. Would be nice if it was Jamie Fraley but could be anyone lol without being able to read credits. Jamie said a while ago that she had also participated in Carrie’s recording sessions but virtually none of her vocals were used in the final song cuts :(

  • tigervixxxen

    If I’m not mistaken in past years the idol tour ended mid September. 8 weeks later idolettes had an album in the can and ready for release. Why would it be so different, now?

    We all know that situation is not ideal or conducive to the best finished product. The quickie post Idol albums sometimes are not any more than a collection of polished up demos. Just because someone could make an album in 2,4,8 weeks doesn’t mean they should. That said, there probably is happy medium between having enough time to put one’s best foot forward and taking the old traditional model of years between albums.

  • Tess

    Brad Paisley said his last album was “in the can” when they played the entire potential CD and Brad felt something was missing….and he realized he had forgotten a “love” song or an emotional song to fill out the contents. They wrote the song in a day or so, contacted Carrie when they thought it would work best as a duet, had her lay down her track and altered the final product in a matter of days. Good stuff doesn’t always take forever.

    And Saga, unless retailers are going to use albums in their mail order catalogues they probably could care less about what music will be in their hands for the Christmas season. Display boxes, end caps, signage, banners are all part of the package handled by the labels….they may order a half-dozen “displays” from a label, but again they could care less who the artists are. Besides, I haven’t heard a whisper about anyone thinking of recording a Christmas album this year…and we are into July.

  • saga

    2. Album sales dry up in January, so exactly how is it safer to release an album then instead of in November? We also know that it will be harder to get a single played towards the end of the year, especially if an artist doesn’t have an album coming out, and is not getting attention from other sources that can bring him some industry buzz. The charts will be clogged up with new releases from those who will be taking advantage of the Holiday buying period.

    I have never said he should release a single at the end of the year and there is no support that a single dries out without an album being released. Lots of succesful album have been released in January, see Kesha and Adele.

    It’s July 14th, and neither Daughtry or Carrie had gone into the studio to record before this month.

    I saw tweet in late may/june of Daughtry recording at his house with Benson? Windmills said Carrie has several tracks?

    1. You are not basing them on the facts about how far along Kris is in the process, or whether or not Jive has music that he’s written, and has been picking out which songs he will record. We actually know for a fact that they have heard his music, and that the song had some level of production, or else they wouldn’t have played it for the Clear Channel people. If you follow Kris, you also know that he’s been working with Producers as well as sound engineers during these writing sessions, so yes, he’s been in the studio.

    Yup I might not know enough of where Kris is but I also don’t see evidence for everything you’re claiming. We only have a vague feeling where these guys are and I might be wrong ofcourse.

  • Pippygirl

    I had actually also wondered if Jive might release more than one single from Kris before the album was released, but of course that would mean no Q4 album. Elliegrl, I know you said album sales dry up in January but would Jive possibly wait until Spring 2012 to see if they can get 2 successful singles first?

  • Elliegrll

    So if Jive feel these 5 songs or whatever Kris has so far are enough to support a release in late Q4 then that’s ok.

    Can we just agree that none of us know how many songs Kris has completed?

    Yup I might not know enough of where Kris is but I also don’t see evidence for everything you’re claiming. We only have a vague feeling where these guys are and I might be wrong ofcourse.

    Which claims? The one about Kris working with sound engineers and producers, who have tweeted about their sessions? People claiming to be working on the mixes for these demos? That’s what my claims are based on.

    I have never said he should release a single at the end of the year and there is no support that a single dries out without an album being released. Lots of succesful album have been released in January, see Kesha and Adele.

    I love that you are using the Kesha and Adele reference now. Earlier you did say that if Jive thinks that the single is good, why would they wait to release it. It’s not a certainty that someone can’t sell well in January, but why risk it? What’s the point, especially since there will be better chance of getting promotion during the fourth quarter.

  • tigervixxxen

    Ke$ha (one of the biggest Sony cash cows, if not THE biggest atm) released Q1 2010, Adele released Q1 2011

    I love when Adele is used as en example because she is pretty much the one in a million case for everything. Yes, anything that Adele did or received is possible for anyone else but the odds are staggeringly low.

    RiRi had bunch of flops on Rated R, Beyonce has flops, Gaga has a flop too….no matter how big (or small) you are, it’s all about great songs

    The same goes for the huge names like those mentioned above. They are playing in an entirely different sandbox that most of the other artists. They can survive a flop, they have the aggressive backing to get a mediocre single to a certain benchmark, they have people making sure they release the freshest produced song to radio.

    That is my overall point, Idols used to be regarded as in the “special camp” who got automatic attention from radio based on their name recognition and Idol brand equity. They are back in the pack now with all the other small name artists. Yes, all it takes is amazing material and a smash hit song but it is not that simple. It doesn’t just take a good song or good material, it takes a song of the year type song to get notice. Maybe “the big 3 ” got lucky with having those songs early in their career. Daughtry with INO, Kelly with Breakaway and then SUBG and Carrie with JTTW and BHC. All of those songs are plain fantastic *songs* that smashed on the strength of the material. Waiting for that to happen to the Idols now is going to be like waiting for lightning to strike.

  • saga

    Can we just agree that none of us know how many songs Kris has completed?

    Yup and hence my or whatever Kris has so far.

    Which claims? The one about Kris working with sound engineers and producers, who have tweeted about their sessions? People claiming to be working on the mixes for these demos? That’s what my claims are based on.

    Well… you told me that I shouldn’t worry that they have enough songs right now to complete an album. Thats a pretty precise claim. :D

    I love that you are using the Kesha and Adele reference now. Earlier you did say that if Jive thinks that the single is good, why would they wait to release it. It’s not a certainty that someone can’t sell well in January, but why risk it? What’s the point, especially since there will be better chance of getting promotion during the fourth quarter.

    I don’t even know what you mean, why is Kesha or Adele wrong to use now? Kesha released her first single in August. I don’t think Q1 or Q4 is what will decide Kris album sales, I think singles will. The more before his album release the better. I would wait till Q1 (which is not only January btw) and let singles do their work because I think that is what will generate most sales. Lots of artists release non Q4. I get that you think a Q4 release is important and the best, I just think differently.

  • Tess

    By the way…Adele released 21 on February 22 in the US.

  • tomk

    However, there could be 3-5 S10 folks releasing albums in the fall as well. Scotty, Lauren, Pia, Haley?, James? At a certain point, it’s Idol overload.

    The “Haley in the fall” rumor has already been pretty much thrown out as mj admitted to being punk’d by someone when it came to the Haley stuff.
    In an interview, Scotty’s mom specifically said that Scotty, Lauren, and Pia are recording while on tour – doesn’t mean that Haley/James are definitely not recording, but it appears as if they probably aren’t. No way in heck are they going to have anything out at the end of the year unless it is super-rushed, which neither fan base likely would want to see.

  • PerfectStorm

    I’m not so sure about Danny. He’s only recorded 2 songs. If he’s planning on recording more this summer he may have to do it with another producer because Mark Bright’s busy with Scotty and he’s also going to be busy with Carrie. Too, unless the label’s willing to put out an album no matter what happens to the single, it’ll be a while before Danny’s single has a chance of doing something (if it does anything). Keep in mind that with non-Idol country acts, labels don’t like releasing full albums unless there’s a t20 single to push sales. If Danny’s releasing a single having recorded so few songs then IMO the label’s in wait and see mode.

    I actually would be more concerned with Casey James. He’s been off Idol for over a year now. Nothing released in as far as music. No date announced. To my knowledge, no producer has even been named. And no big name tour plans, aside from Sugarland, which Danny did last year only with a lot more shows. In addition, Danny opened last year for Lady Antebellum, Keith Urban, Tim McGraw among others as well as headline his own shows. Yet I keep hearing that that this delay for Casey is normal turnaround for developing a Country artist. If that’s the case, I would think this should also apply to Danny considering that his My Best Days CD was only released a little over a year ago. At least he has a single in release. And Taylor Swift tour is generating a lot of publicity.

  • Elliegrll

    I don’t even know what you mean, why is Kesha or Adele wrong to use now?

    It’s not wrong to use them, just funny, since your original statement was that labels release albums that they have faith in in the fourth quarter, and ones that they don’t in January. With all of the promo that Adele received, few would believe that her label didn’t have faith in her.

    I get that you think a Q4 release is important and the best, I just think differently.

    Actually, going back to the start, the issue is about what Jive has already stated in terms of when Kris’ album will be released, which doesn’t seem like a point that can be argued.

  • saga

    It’s not wrong to use them, just funny, since your original statement was that labels release albums that they have faith in in the fourth quarter, and ones that they don’t in January. With all of the promo that Adele received, few would believe that her label didn’t have faith in her.

    Nope never said this. jpfan said something similar but not me. I have only said that for a nov/dec release the decision has to be made so early (end june/july) that there needs to be enough material then to give a go ahead.

  • saga

    Actually, going back to the start, the issue is about what Jive has already stated in terms of when Kris’ album will be released, which doesn’t seem like a point that can be argued.

    So there is a statement by Jive somewhere? Or is this the tweet that was posted by another poster? All I heard was that he was a priority for Q4 and this in radio talks right? That could very well be a single priority. Hard to know what they mean.

  • steph6449

    The “Haley in the fall” rumor has already been pretty much thrown out as mj admitted to being punk’d by someone when it came to the Haley stuff.

    Really? Ugh :(
    .

    Casey J seems like he is on track now with a reasonably full schedule for summer touring this month.

  • Valentin432

    The problem with the cd ready = cd released theory is that it doesn’t take into account the amount of money the label can spend on projects for that time period.

    If Jive, RCA, etc. have unlimited amount of money, then yes they could invest on every material that they like.
    With the current situation being what it is, even if Kris (or Kellie, Adam or even Daughtry) have a good album, with a single radio ready, I’m not sure it would be the top priority for the label to release.
    Let’s suppose for instance that Keisha comes in with a Dr Luke pop radio ready album, then if RCA has to choose to invest one million dollar on radio promotion they’re probably choosing her and her proven smash track record over any of the idols.

    That’s why I think Carrie has a good shot at releasing because she would be priority number one for her label no matter what other artist they have with material ready to release.

  • saga

    That’s why I think Carrie has a good shot at releasing because she would be priority number one for her label no matter what other artist they have with material ready to release.

    I agree with what you’re saying but I still want to stress the problem with retailers concerning nov/dec. I think the planning for this period is done so far in advance that the schedule is set very early. Maybe they can switch people in and out but I am not sure it’s so easy. My whole point with my posts were to point out the practical limitations.

    For example it seems Kris, Adam, Daughtry and Carrie were meeting with their labels around the same time (mid june-ish). I think this was the meeting that determined if they would go for a Q4 release or not, that they had to decide so early. With Carrie they decided to give it a little more time but then instead go for a later december release if I understand windmills correctly.

    If Kesha came to RCA in September with a Kick-Ass CD it would just be too late for nov/dec, especially since she would release ww. There are logistic limitations, walmart wants to plan their christmas special offers etc.

  • smeggingnuts

    haha ok I am sooo confused when did Jive actualy say that Kris was releasing in Q4?

    So far all we have is a few rumored dates (Daughtry/Adam)
    And a few “the label wants to release this time” (Carrie)

    Its assumed Kelly will be releaseing soon…if not she should…damn they really should just release the album.

    As for Kris and Danny all we have is that they have been writting and doing some recording…but so has Casey James and he doesn’t look to have anything looking like an album coming out anytime soon.

    haha basicly we don’t know squat until the dates are offical and since none of them are not sure why people are getting upset over pure speculations.

  • Falfor

    Reading all this discussion/arguing regarding release dates, took me back and gave me a chuckle. No one knows, its all speculation. As long as fan wars regarding Kris and Adam don’t start up again, I am looking forward to following both of their music on this blog. In my book, the farther apart their release dates the better.

  • Elliegrll

    haha ok I am sooo confused when did Jive actualy say that Kris was releasing in Q4?

    Why is it such an issue that Jive said that Kris is a priority for Q4. It was in a meeting with people from Clear Channel radio stations.

    Nope never said this. jpfan said something similar but not me. I have only said that for a nov/dec release the decision has to be made so early (end june/july) that there needs to be enough material then to give a go ahead.

    Of course you later included this after the whole “faith” thing, and my point is that you have no clue how much material Kris has ready. We’ve already concluded that you didn’t know that he met with Jive, or that he’s been in the studio, or that he’s worked with producers, studio musicians, or sound engineers.

  • Eileen99

    LOLZ. I’m surprised we’re not back to square one with Kris needing a proclamation from the Jive inner sanctum telling us if he’s even getting a second album.

  • saga

    Of course your point changed to this later on, and my point is that you have no clue how much material Kris has ready. We’ve already concluded that you didn’t know that he met with Jive, or that he’s been in the studio, or that he’s worked with producers, studio musicians, or sound engineers.

    Huh? My answer what to your claim that I had said that a Q1 release is for artist the label has less faith in (believe less in). Not about how many songs.

    My point has NOT changed. My input in this discussion is that I think there is a retail limitation for late Q4 releases. They need to be decided early. IF Kris had/has enough to convince his label then good for him. Ofcourse I dont know if he has or not, this is a discussion.

    ETA: Go back and read the posts, “faith” was first brought up by jpfan, not me. I have in no way indicated that I think there is a quality difference between an artist releasing in Q1 and Q4. I have talked about the artists album selling history, but that is fact of sales and is not the same as quality.

  • girlygirl

    smeggingnuts

    lol — to recap :)

    1. Kris has consistently said that the plans are to have his album out this year
    2. Jive played one of Kris’s songs to Clear Channel PDs/DJs at a listening party that was for songs they are likely going to push to radio in Q4
    3. Kris met with Jive last month to play them a bunch of his songs
    4. Kris has been in the recording studio several times throughout the spring/summer

    no, there’s nothing official about any release date, but these are all signs that suggest they are at least leaning towards getting the album out this year if possible. There’s also the fact that there don’t appear to be many, if any, other Jive artists releasing albums in Q4, so there should be an opening on their release sched for Kris’s album

  • Dakota01

    Jive played one of Kris’s songs to Clear Channel PDs/DJs at a listening party that was for songs they are likely going to push to radio in Q4

    If they are going to push a song to radio in Q4, then wouldn’t that mean the album won’t drop until Q1 of next year? I’m confused. I thought it’s been said all along that a single needs time to build an audience before an album drops. Is it usual to drop a single and an album at the same time? Just trying to sort all of this out ….

  • smeggingnuts

    girlygirl
    lol — to recap

    2. Jive played one of Kris’s songs to Clear Channel PDs/DJs at a listening party that was for songs they are likely going to push to radio in Q4

    haha thanks girlygirl…I was just wondering I was trying to read bad and everyone was talking about how jive said is was a Q4 release and someone posted a tweet to prove it but it said nothing about when it would be released….haha I was just confused I must have missed that part somewhere.

    Elliegrll
    haha ok I am sooo confused when did Jive actualy say that Kris was releasing in Q4?

    Why is it such an issue that Jive said that Kris is a priority for Q4. It was in a meeting with people from Clear Channel radio stations.

    LOL I never said there was an issue of Jive putting Kris out during Q4 I was just asking for the facts…people keep saying that Jive said that I was just asking. All I was doing was asking…..lol jeez

    haha like I said we don’t have confirmed dates for any of them I dont see why everyone is up in arms over people speculating differrant scenarios. That kind of stuff happens all the time here. People speculating about what if this and what if that.

    Until there is actuall confirmed release dates for all of them its jsut speculation. Some are more likely to be confirmed faster than others… or be easier to predict (Daughtry, Carrie, Kelly) just due to the fact that they have proven themselves over multiple albums. Kris, Danny and Adam not yet.

  • Elliegrll

    If they are going to push a song to radio in Q4, then wouldn’t that mean the album won’t drop until Q1 of next year? I’m confused. I thought it’s been said all along that a single needs time to build an audience before an album drops. Is it usual to drop a single and an album at the same time? Just trying to sort all of this out ….

    The quote from a dj from a DC radio station, who was at this event, was that Kris is a priority for Q4.

  • tripp_ncwy

    If they are going to push a song to radio in Q4, then wouldn’t that mean the album won’t drop until Q1 of next year?

    Kris’ first album was released in Q4 2009 (Nov. 17th). LLWD premiered on Z100 on Sept. 21st. Adam released his cd Nov 24th & FYE premiered Oct 30th.

  • Dakota01

    The quote from a dj from a DC radio station, who was at this event, was that Kris is a priority for Q4.

    But what does that mean? A single? Album? Both?

  • girlygirl

    Dakota01

    not necessarily. Kris saw his debut single drop in Q4 in 2009 — LLWD came out in late September. And his album still came out in November.

    Likewise, Adam’s first single didn’t drop until October 2009 — and his album came out in November.

    Q4 = October through December (edited :) )

  • steph6449

    Aww, I’ve been staying out of it but unless the record industry has gone to a 16-month fiscal year I gotta raise a comment on this :)

    Q4 = September through December

  • saga

    LOL

  • jpfan

    The biggest period for selling music is the late fall/early winter for obvious reasons. That’s when the tide lifts all the boats. Music sales benefit from holiday sales.

    And of course a flop album can be released in the fall while a huge success can be released in January. I’m just making a general point.

  • girlygirl

    oops — I meant October-December :)

    thanks steph6449

  • SajiNoKami

    CHR <= Sorry, but what does this stand for?

  • saga

    CHR <= Sorry, but what does this stand for?

    CHR is another name for the top40 format on radio. Contemporary Hit Radio.

  • girlygirl

    Pia’s single continues to move up nicely on iTunes — currently at #69

  • Tess

    Extrapolating from Scotty’s sales when he has sat at #70 +/- for a week and sold 20,000…..70 at I-tunes would seem to be about 3000 units sold per day.

  • tomk

    Pia’s single continues to move up nicely on iTunes — currently at #69

    Another question about that chart: What does it represent? Is that the ranking for the week? For the day? Just trying to find context again as I follow the numbers :)

  • Zastine4974

    LOL at all this speculation as to when Adam or Kris will release another album.

    Nothing is set in stone (i.e. Cook). When the label announces it, it will be released. Look at how Kelly’s has been pushed back numerous times. Just because an artist or their fans want it this year doesn’t mean it will happen. Just because they have “meetings” with the label doesn’t mean it will be released this year. When it happens it will happen. Not before.

  • SajiNoKami

    saga said: CHR is another name for the top40 format on radio. Contemporary Hit Radio.

    ah i see. thanks… I think the radio around here ignores the charts and just plays who pays them the best.

  • tripp_ncwy

    Just because an artist or their fans want it this year doesn’t mean it will happen. Just because they have “meetings” with the label doesn’t mean it will be released this year.

    Things can change & no one is disputing that. In Kris’ case it is not so much speculation by him or his fans. You have the VPs of Jive Music & Jive Promotions playing samples & telling major radio PDs to expect new music from Kris & Jordin Sparks in Q4 (priority). This meeting happened on June 2nd. Kris did not meet with the label until June 16. So it seems to me that the decision had already been made by Jive execs to release in Q4. Why would Jive tell the PDs Q4 if that was not the case & then not deliver?

  • mmb

    You have the VPs of Jive Music & Jive Promotions playing samples & telling major radio PDs to expect new music from Kris & Jordin Sparks in Q4

    I don’t think anyone has suggested that Kris or jordin ( or Adam ) will not have new singles out in the fall. The label may even want to begin single no 2 at the time of the cd drop. The conversation is about q4 cd releases. The radio stations don’t care about cd release dated. They care about what singles are going to be pushed to their playlist and when. I presume Kris has one or two single worthy recordings in the can given the reports on the June cc presentations ( tho I do hesitate to believe, word for word, radio station tweets or blogs about ANY artist- they are so often wrong, disengenuous, or misleading). I fully expect Kris to have a single out Late summer/ early fall. Whether the album drops q4 or q1 who knows. As for Adam, he does seem to be gearing up promo wise for something this fall. But other than the s10 kids and Kelly c, any or all of the Sony idol releases could be released or could be delayed. But in this singles- driven market that doesn’t necessarily mean no new music will be released from them this fall

  • LongKissGoodnight

    Pia’s “This Time” is currently #61 on i-tunes.

  • Elliegrll

    Nothing is set in stone (i.e. Cook). When the label announces it, it will be released. Look at how Kelly’s has been pushed back numerous times. Just because an artist or their fans want it this year doesn’t mean it will happen. Just because they have “meetings” with the label doesn’t mean it will be released this year. When it happens it will happen. Not before.

    Of course it will happen, when it happens. But, executives from the label saying something is a heck of a lot different than fan speculation. Adam may seem like he’s gearing up for promo, but that’s not the same as people from Jive saying that Kris is a priority for Q4. They may change their minds, but it’s silly to dismiss what they said.

  • tripp_ncwy

    Elliegrll, ITA & just to add we had confirmation from two independent sources who attended the meetings.