Idol Sales News – Week Ending 07/12/09

Well the MJ albums sales total over 1 million this week alone. I can’t add up all the downloads but they look awesome as well. MJ looks to be the biggest music seller of 2009 by a mile so far.

Airplay (increase in audience impressions)
No. 46 – Daughtry ( 3.1 million)
No. 47 – Jordin Sparks ( 2.5 million)
No. 94 – David Cook ( 1.1 million)

Streaming:
No. 5 – Daughtry – No Surprise
No. 8 – Kelly Clarkson – I Do Not Hook Up
No. 17 – Jordin Sparks – Battlefield

Well the MJ albums sales total over 1 million this week alone. I can’t add up all the downloads but they look awesome as well. MJ looks to be the biggest music seller of 2009 by a mile so far.

Any excuse to use my calculator… Looks to me like his downloads for the week add up to just over 2 million. Simply astounding.

It looks like until people are over the shock and dismay of Michael Jackson’s untimely death no one else is going to get much play. It is well deserved for all that he has brought to contemporary music. It is a shame that it took this tragedy for people to remember how talented he was, isn’t it?

Billboard Article: Michael Jackson Sells 1.1 Million Albums In One Week

http://www.billboard.com/bbcom/news/michael-jackson-sells-1-1-million-albums-1003993589.story

It looks like until the shock and dismay of Michael Jackson’s untimely death no one else is going to get much play. It is well deserved for all that he has brought to contemporary music. It is a shame that it took this tragedy for people to remember how talented he was, isn’t it?

Very much so. But its always like that isn’t it? Human beings never appreciate people or things until its gone. At least he left his music behind for more generations of people to enjoy.

Well the MJ albums sales total over 1 million this week alone. I can’t add up all the downloads but they look awesome as well. MJ looks to be the biggest music seller of 2009 by a mile so far.

Yes. He will definitely be winning some billboard music awards next year since those awards are given strictly by how many units are sold. Before MJ’s death I think Eminem was the biggest seller of 2009.

It is a shame that it took this tragedy for people to remember how talented he was, isn’t it?

I agree! Micheal was always heavy in my ipod playlists, but it’s odd now to hear him blasting from people’s cars as they drive by on in heavy rotation on the radio.

ShariG says It is a shame that it took this tragedy for people to remember how talented he was, isn’t it?

Yeah it is. If Michael hadn’t died and went on tour people would have remembered.

Last week was the funeral and the resulting ubiquitous media coverage, so I’m not surprised. I suspect it will start easing down from here. But I hope all this helps his family clear a big chunk of his debt!

My kids love Micheal Jackson and his music now. Funny how that works. He put out some great songs.

simply astounding… it brings unabashed tears to the eyes of this long time michael jackson fan to see these sales numbers…. this is what his fans want more than anything – his artistic legacy to be appreciated and valued for years to come’ ¦’ ¦… have to share a cute story posted on an archuleta fansite this morning that speaks to jackson’s enduring influence…. :king_tb:

My 9 year old made me buy her Michael Jackson’s Number Ones DVD last night! She stayed up and watched the whole thing till after midnight! Its funny because she was commenting on dance moves and she would say Joe Jonas does that and Zac Efron did that in HSM and I tried to explain to her that they all started with the man himself! She was amazed! It was fun to share with her!

http://fansofdavid.com/?p=25644#comment-531154

tangentially related to idol sales news…. a nice blurb and picture on allaccess, the industry snaps section for july, of david surrounded by jive exectives, including chairman and ceo barry weiss finally receiving his gold certification plaque…… way 2 go david! :clap_tb:

ARCHULETA STRIKES GOLD
“American Idol” sensation David Archuleta was presented with a gold-certified plaque commemorating the sale of over 500k units of his eponymous debut album. From left: Peter Thea, EVP, JIVE Label Group; Jeff Dodes, SVP, Marketing and Digital Media, JIVE Label Group; Jeff Fenster, SVP, A&R, Jive Records; Tom Carrabba, EVP/General Manager, JIVE Label Group; David Archuleta; Joe Riccitelli, EVP, Pop Promotion, JIVE Label Group; Barry Weiss, Chairman and CEO, RCA/JIVE Label Group.

http://www.allaccess.com/

ggdoorsfan, you’ll love this story. We had people over for dinner Monday, and my husband put Off The Wall on as background music for the meal. When Don’t Stop Til You Get Enough started, my 5 year old looked up and asked “what’s this?” I told her the name of the song and said it was Micheal Jackson. When I looked over again she was gone. She had ran to the living room and was dancing in the middle of the floor. LOL. She kept dancing all the way through Rock With You and halfway through Working Day and Night. Then she came back, ate a little, and got back up for Off The Wall. She is now officially a fan. :thumbup_tb:

All I know is that when The Boss, Madonna, Bono, and hell, even Jon Bon Jovi die, I had better see this same wall-to-wall media saturation about every second of their life on earth. (I would argue that JBJ has had a longer period of musical relevance than Michael Jackson– and would the world please stop calling him “MJ”– there’s only one “MJ”, and (with due deference to our blog host), his last name is “Jordan”! But, anyway, Bon Jovi still releases decent music, whereas Michael Jackson’s last good song was “Smooth Criminal” from about 1990)….

I never wished an person back to life so much so I could go back to forgetting about their existence….

Yep, call me a “hater”….

oh, i do tinawina! :smile1_tb: that puts the hugest smile on my face – to see how his influence is spanning across generations to have an effect on these young ones… it may sound silly, but i’d been in a real funk emotionally these last three weeks after his death – memories as a screaming preteen and teen jackson 5 fangirl just came flooding back out of the blue, coupled with the adult fan memories from off the wall through invincible, and it just magnified his loss all the more… the sadness has faded, and the joy is returning, seeing these numbers, and reading stories like yours, and the others of young people taking notice of him…

awww noctem, it’s ok to be a hater – it comes with the territory, and is to be expected for michael jackson, hahahah… his fans have years of thick skin and conditioning for the counterpoints you’ve expressed, so it’s like water off a duck’s back for us… all we can do is just keep living, to see for ourselves if those others you’ve mentioned will receive the same coverage as jackson – though i wouldn’t hold my breath… paul mccartney is the only one still standing that i can foresee receiving more, and it will be well deserved – just like mj’s – ”mr. jackson if you’re nasty”, hahahah…. cribbed from lil sis’s ”nasty boyz” :happy_tb:

awww noctem, it’s ok to be a hater – it comes with the territory, and is to be expected for michael jackson, hahahah’ ¦ his fans have years of thick skin and conditioning for the counterpoints you’ve expressed, so it’s like water off a duck’s back for us’ ¦ all we can do is just keep living, to see for ourselves if those others you’ve mentioned will receive the same coverage as jackson – though i wouldn’t hold my breath’ ¦ paul mccartney is the only one still standing that i can foresee receiving more, and it will be well deserved – just like mj’s – ‘ mr. jackson if you’re nasty’ , hahahah’ ¦. cribbed from lil sis’s ‘ nasty boyz’ 

LOL Soooo true!!! The water has already dried up.

And you’re right. Paul Mccartney, as the last Beatle survivor is the only person that I can see affecting people the way Michael did with his death.

On another note, it’ll be interesting to see how Daughtry’s first week does. I believe his album is #1 on Itunes right now.

Whitney Houston premiered her new album in London yesterday. Boy I hope its good. http://www.billboard.com/bbcom/news/whitney-houston-premieres-new-album-in-london-1003993624.story

On another note, it’ll be interesting to see how Daughtry’s first week does. I believe his album is #1 on Itunes right now.

That’s shocking to me, but good for him!

And, yay for MJ and his family — that’s Michael Jackson, in case there’s any confusion alla noctem. lol

I don’t dispute Michael’s status as a musical icon. But, when did he become the musical icon?

And why is everyone on the planet igoring the very large elephants (and giraffes) in his room, so to speak? The only focus seems to be on his “musical genius”. I understand not trampling on a man’s grave and celebrating his achievements, but public figures’ retrospectives should also involve a frank look at the totality of their lives.

And to say Jackson’s later life was fraught with controversy is about as much of an understatement as one could make. To say the least, the man was responsible for some very questionable behavior toward, and relationships with, children.

This isn’t a great parallel in terms of historical status and impact, but if Kobe Bryant was to suffer an untimely passing next week, would news accounts focus exclusively on his basketball achievements, and not touch on some of his less glorious episodes? Would we hear nary a word about a hotel room in Colorado?

And I also find it amusing that the African-American community now seems to be maintaining that, collectively, they have always embraced Mr. Jackson. Consult several of Chris Rock’s rather scathing monologues about him if you wish to see a more accurate depiction.

I never wished an person back to life so much so I could go back to forgetting about their existence’ ¦.

Yep, call me a ‘hater

There are lots of haters out there, but no entertainer will generate as much publicity after their death in my lifetime. However, I don’t think any of the celebrities noctem mentioned are worrying about their post-mortem publicity. They are all doing fine, Michael was not, he ended up with a very sad life with his children as his only refuge. Money and fame do not happiness equal.

Its not just the singing, or the dancing, or the creativity, its the combination of the 3, its pretty hard to top.

Love you MJ, RIP

And I also find it amusing that the African-American community now seems to be maintaining that, collectively, they have always embraced Mr. Jackson. Consult several of Chris Rock’s rather scathing monologues about him if you wish to see a more accurate depiction.

when did chris rock become ”the” spokesperson for how millions of african americans felt and feel about jackson? your assumption is one made erroneously and continually by the media, and by many unenlightened folk in this country – african americans are not and never have been monolithic in their views and experiences, and no one person speaks for us – i have a mind of my own, as do others, and can and do make use of it to make my own decisions….. and they do not have to conform to the ”party line” as so many unenlightened people think…. as a member of this rich, vibrant, strong and thriving community, and being closer to the pulse and rhythm of how we black folk really feel and think, i can say that our embrace of mj – from childhood into adulthood – is no bandwagon, late to the party thing – whatever his faults as a human being, the african american community never turned their backs on him… we too, yes, were mystified at some of the physical transformations, searched ourselves during the accusationa and charges of which a court of law acquitted him, but we have always been here… but i guess like a lot of things concerning my community, people still only see and believe what they want to see, what is being fed to them in the media… get off the boards, and come hang out in and among my community a little while noctem… guaranteed to open your eyes.

And I also find it amusing that the African-American community now seems to be maintaining that, collectively, they have always embraced Mr. Jackson. Consult several of Chris Rock’s rather scathing monologues about him if you wish to see a more accurate depiction.

We have always embraced Michael Jackson. Why? HIS MUSIC. lol Its timeless, and his influence is apparent in a lot of current artists. Not only that, but MJ has given millions to charities, particular those that cater to African-Ameriacns like the United Negro College Leage, etc. Not only that, but MJ is a cultural phenomomen and will continue to be one for generations to come. Just because he has passed physically, doesn’t mean his work which he left here on earth is going to disappear too. Was MJ perfect? Of course not. But show me someone who is?

As far as Chris Rock is concerned. Chris Rock makes fun of everyone whether they are White, Black, Hispanic, Male, Female, American, Non-American, etc. He’s a comedian. Chris Rock did a monalogue just on Black people and it was very stereotypical. Does that mean he doesn’t like Black people? Of course not. He’s a comedian. He does what comedians do. And he certainly doesn’t represent all black people. I have no idea why we (Black people) are perceived as a monolithic group. That never made much sense to me.

I’ll engage in an hypothesis, noctem, where ordinarily I would not. Must be my excitement over Harry Potter’s opening today.

Although I’ve seen mention of the controversies in nearly every single report or special on MJ that I’ve viewed since his death, I suspect that the world now consciously and collectively chooses to remember the good and forget the “bad,” because generally speaking, the “bad” is over and the good remains. There probably are a lot of reasons for this choice. I’ll make no effort to be comprehensive or even complete in my comments, but I believe that, in large part, human beings want to see and appreciate the good in other human beings — particularly when they’re no longer physically with us. In addition, whatever “threat” he may have posed is now gone. But, most of all, I believe it’s for the sake of his own children. I’m typically no fan of his provocative and dogmatic delivery, but Al Sharpton was brilliant in his eulogy as he told the children that their daddy was not a freak or weird. What was weird was how the world treated him.

I agree, and I believe there’s a certain amount of guilt involved, in that, the world may feel just a little guilty for how it treated Michael Jackson. As a fellow human, I believe we, the world, abused him relentlessly, as we seem to do many of our geniuses and those who are “different.”

Again, I’ve made no attempt to cover every aspect or address every angle. Maybe it really is all about the music. But, maybe it’s more, a lot more than that. And, maybe that’s why logical, analytical people like you, noctem — I mean this as the highest form of praise, btw — are both angry and perplexed as you watch it unfold. Because, logically in context and given how MJ was viewed at the time of his death, it is perplexing, I’ll give you that. But, emotionally and humanly, I don’t find it odd at all. When I consider the music, and the contributions, and the barriers broken, and all that MJ endured, I find it all very normal.

ETA: In case it isn’t clear, I personally am a pure believer that “weareallinnocent” until proven guilty, and sometimes even then.

We have always embraced Michael Jackson. Why? HIS MUSIC. lol Its timeless, and his influence is apparent in a lot of current artists. Not only that, but MJ has given millions to charities, particular those that cater to African-Ameriacns like the United Negro College Leage, etc. Not only that, but MJ is a cultural phenomomen and will continue to be one for generations to come. Just because he has passed physically, doesn’t mean his work which he left here on earth is going to disappear too. Was MJ perfect? Of course not. But show me someone who is?

As far as Chris Rock is concerned. Chris Rock makes fun of everyone whether they are White, Black, Hispanic, Male, Female, American, Non-American, etc. He’s a comedian. Chris Rock did a monalogue just on Black people and it was very stereotypical. Does that mean he doesn’t like Black people? Of course not. He’s a comedian. He does what comedians do. And he certainly doesn’t represent all black people. I have no idea why we (Black people) are perceived as a monolithic group. That never made much sense to me.

thank you. :bye_tb:

On another note, it’ll be interesting to see how Daughtry’s first week does. I believe his album is #1 on Itunes right now.

That’s shocking to me, but good for him!

Dude shot up to #1 as soon as his preorders were converted yesterday morning, and has stayed there since. Should be a #1 debut for Daughtry.

In other good news, go Brookie! She’s still #4! I think it’s safe to say, if she stays up at top 10 for most of this week, that her digital-only debut would’ve outsold Michael Johns’ 5K? Really tremendous synergy with the iTunes marketing for her. Well done, Brooke’s people! Poor show MJ’s people. Does he even have people? Heh.

See I’m not shocked Brooke will likely end up selling Michael. She’s got good iTunes placement, her sound is more current, and she did last longer than he did on AI. I always suspected she had more fans. Her impressive numbers when she sang on AI was a good sign she would do well.

Any guestimates for Daughtry’s first week numbers?? I hope they’re huge!

And why is everyone on the planet igoring the very large elephants (and giraffes) in his room, so to speak? The only focus seems to be on his ‘musical genius’ . I understand not trampling on a man’s grave and celebrating his achievements, but public figures’ retrospectives should also involve a frank look at the totality of their lives.

I have been thinking a lot about this myself. I think it is because the man was beloved for so long before the craziness started. He was around since he was a child so he literally grew up in front of us. And don’t forget, in his day he reached a level of fame beyond any superstar we have now. He was a worldwide phenom on the level of the Beatles and Elvis. Madonna, Whitney Houston, Mariah, U2, Britney… as huge as they are, they don’t come close to what Michael Jackson was in his peak. So even though he fell into scorn after the molestation charges, perhaps people still had alot of love for the MJ that existed before all that started, and welcomed the chance to mourn THAT guy. THAT guy left us a while ago, but we never really got a chance to say goodbye.

As far as black people’s acceptance of him, LOL, I just have to echo what was already said. We are not the Borg, there is no hive mind here. That said, I think affection for the Jackson family has always been around in large numbers, at least for the little kid everyone remembers who grew up to be the biggest star in the world for a time. There is a lot of pride rapped up in that memory for some.

I for one am glad that Michael’s music is being remembered. God knows for that last 10 years or so it has ONLY been the weirdness that was talked about.

In many ways the Michael my generation grew up with from The Jackson 5 days on, died a long time ago.

ETA – What Tina said! Although in my opinion U2 ranks up there. I bought my first U2 single when I was 12. And just bought my last U2 album at 40. And I think that even if her music is not to your taste you gotta admit that Madonna has had a huge career and had a heck of a lot of influence.

In other good news, go Brookie! She’s still #4! I think it’s safe to say, if she stays up at top 10 for most of this week, that her digital-only debut would’ve outsold Michael Johns’ 5K? Really tremendous synergy with the iTunes marketing for her. Well done, Brooke’s people!

Word. Go Brooke!

I am not the least surprised by Daughtry’s numbers. Dude sold 4 million records last time, I would be shocked if he didn’t open big. For someone like him I don’t think it matters what his single is doing on the charts right now. People are going to buy it regardless.

I LOVE Michael Jackson and I don’t care what anyone else thinks. The media built him up, tore him down and will repeat this cycle ENDLESSLY, but the young people that are now discovering MJ don’t really know about MJ’s past so much and are just focusing on the music. This proves to me that his music has stood the test of time. For those who want to continue slicing and dicing MJ, its all old news, but his music will never be old. I believe in letting the almighty judge the dearly departed, but can’t force others to do the same.

RIP, MJ

Great points, tinawina and Starrlight and revcat. I agree.

We (the world) are free to love the man and his music again, as well as to say good bye to the man that we loved and seemed to have lost long ago.

RIP MJ.

Yeah I found out he had died while touring Pearl Harbor. My daughter got a text message from a friend. Totally didn’t believe it until we got into the rental car and turned on the radio to find them in the middle of Wanna Be Startin Something.

Everyone will have their own opinions about his personal life and God knows the man was seriously fucked up, but after years of this being the story about MJ it sure is nice to just hear the music for a change.

That said, the fact that the steaming rank turd that is his father outlived him saddens me to no end.

ETA – What Tina said! Although in my opinion U2 ranks up there. I bought my first U2 single when I was 12. And just bought my last U2 album at 40. And I think that even if her music is not to your taste you gotta admit that Madonna has had a huge career and had a heck of a lot of influence.

Oh of course! I guess I didn’t word that well. Everybody on that list is a superstar and has had much influence. What I was trying to say was that as big as they are and as impactful as their music was, Michael Jackson was even MORE famous than they ever were for a time. It was worldwide Jackson mania at a level we haven’t seen since.

We (the world) are free to love the man and his music again, as well as to say good bye to the man that we loved and seemed to have lost long ago.

very well said, weareallinnocent… and i think your ”hypothesis” as you called it is spot on – same for tinawina’s…. :bye_tb: i know most of us post here as fans of different idols, but it’s great to see the bond of brilliant music, as being relayed by mj, as the connector for the majority of us commenting today…. i think he has achieved his goal…. rest in peace, mj.

From my perspective, I think there’s also something to be said about how big MJ was globally. His music was everywhere. I have to admit, I know very little of Bruce Springsteen’s discography and I am sure I am not alone in this among Filipinos. Among those you mentioned above, Madonna is the only one whose music is as widely accepted and known as Michael’s, and even that would involve a smaller number of generations. Whereas Michael Jackson’s music is known to my mother, to me and my younger cousins. That I think is why the reaction is as big as it is. That is why the news coverage is as expansive as it is. That is why millions of people in my side of the globe stayed up until 3:30 am to watch the memorial live despite the fact that it would be replayed several times during the day. Non-rock fans in my side of the globe will not be particularly affected if the world loses Bono. My parents would probably have no idea who Bono is.

Whether you like it or not, Michael Jackson’s music captured generations and it spanned the globe. I will admit to not being comfortable with all the allegations that have been leveled against him and that certainly colored my opinion of him. But still I found myself mourning his loss. And I think that speaks to how powerful his music has affected me. That Michael Jackson, that musician, that performer, that is the person that I mourn.

get off the boards, and come hang out in and among my community a little while noctem’ ¦ guaranteed to open your eyes.

Please don’t make assumptions about the community I “hang out in and among” or about my background. You may be quite surprised about how wrong those assumptions are.

As for Chris Rock not being the spokesmen for the black community, I wasn’t appointing him. And I don’t presume to project monolithic views on any culture or ethnic group. Still, I stand by my observation that are quite a few in the African-American community who have suddenly developed a much higher opinion of Michael than they held the day before he died– and among these are several of my African-American relatives….

I just went on to ITUNES, and under the genre of “POP” Adam’s album is holding at #36 and Kris it #94. Does that mean they both moved some units this week? I know nothing about how these numbers are gathered. Is there a minimum amount that is needed to get listed. Does an artist need to move 1000 units or more to get stats?

undercooked, the minimum for Brian Mansfield’s stats at Idol Chatter seems to be 1000 units for albums.

Although #36 on itunes pop sounds impressive, it usually isn’t a big number.

The minimum on his digital download charts is 6,000.

Well Maxwell did manage to break through the wall of Jackson , he is no. 2 of HDD’s Top 50 album sales, estimated at 310,000 units, just below MJ but even Hannah Montana only sold about 150,000 units, for Hannah that’s low….

According to HDD one day sales reports, Daughtry is predicted to have first week sales of 240-260K. I thought he’d open higher than that.

Sony Music will continue to rule the HITS Album chart next week, but not with Michael Jackson.

After three straight weeks of Jackomania, yet another American Idol, this one named Daughtry, should be #1 on next week’s HITS Top 50 with Leave This Town, his sophomore 19/RCA/RMG album, which will bow in the 240-260k range.

http://www.hitsdailydouble.com/home/home.cgi

I have to agree with noctem on this one. The black community has had mixed feelings about Michael Jackson and Michael Jackson has had mixed feelings and I am being kind, on the black community and on being a black [sic] man. It seemed Michael Jackson only called on the black community for support when he was in trouble – they call that optics in PR land. And Mr. Jackson was a master at optics. Perhaps to his own detriment.

However one could argue it is just others using MJ for optics to further their own agendas now, old Rev. Sharpton couldn’t get on the circus train soon enough eh? and all in all it makes one a bit queasy in the hypocrisy.

And Hits is also predicting Brooke in the 8-10K range based on first-day sales.

BTW – Brian doesn’t have a minimum units that he reports. He’ll give us anything that sells enough to make it onto the charts he is provided by Soundscan. That includes the BB 200 Albums, Digital Albums, and Digital downloads charts. The units required to make it into the lower ranges of each of those charts varies week to week.

Although #36 on itunes pop sounds impressive, it usually isn’t a big number.

The minimum on his digital download charts is 6,000.

I suspected that 1000 was the benchmark to get stats, but I wasn’t quite sure. I am curious if any of the idols are going to get a boost from the tour? Mostly likely not if most people have already purchased their music. When I click on the link “billboard 7/11/09 in MJ”s banner, the numbers were different then down here. Heartless, Mad World, etc were still moving units. I am assuming those haven’t been updated yet with this weeks stats.

ETA – thanks ladymadonna – the numbers game is all new to me.

Still, I stand by my observation that are quite a few in the African-American community who have suddenly developed a much higher opinion of Michael than they held the day before he died’“ and among these are several of my African-American relatives’ ¦.

people changing their opinion of mj since his death hasn’t been exclusive to just african americans – i think his memorial went the furthest in making him more accessible as a human being, as a real person than anything, the world over….. maybe your specific reference to aa’s resonated, because that has been one of the most persistent and erroneous assumptions made by the talking heads in the days after his death… no harm, no foul noctem, i’ve always respected your ability to ”bring it”, and if you’re ever down south, look me up, and let’s see if any branches of our family trees intersect :wink1_tb:- everyone’s related down here, in some fashion or another, if ya go back far enough…..

Aileen under the current economic and general sales climate, even without Michael Jackson saturation, those are fabulous numbers for Daughtry. It’s a new world kiddies.

I have to admit this but with very few exceptions, even bands I love I am waiting for the sale at the record store. The only time I rush out the first week to buy an album is an artist I am super excited to hear the album, and that is maybe 1 or 2 albums a year, or I am going to the concert and need to catch up – did this with the Killers – they began touring before their album Sam’s Town had been released here if you can imagine that, I had one week to do my homework. The rest I wait until my local store has either double discount days or 2 for $20.

According to HDD one day sales reports, Daughtry is predicted to have first week sales of 240-260K. I thought he’d open higher than that.

He still might. HDD can be off. I think they have a good chance at matching the debut’s numbers.

That’s a solid estimate for Daughtry. Maxwell broke 300K last week with a very highly-anticipated and incredibly well-reviewed album. But otherwise the BEP album was the only one in recent weeks that has really sold beyond expectations, and that was on the heels of two massive radio hits. Also keep in mind that Hits DD is basing this off of one-day sales only, and they could adjust their estimate up as the week moves on.

Daughtry has some top-notch promo lined-up, and 260K gives him a decent foundation to build-on as he works towards platinum (and yes, everyone has to work towards platinum these days).

The black community has had mixed feelings about Michael Jackson and Michael Jackson has had mixed feelings and I am being kind, on the black community and on being a black [sic] man. It seemed Michael Jackson only called on the black community for support when he was in trouble

just playing devil’s advocate here, but if, as you say, the black communities feelings regarding him were mixed, and his toward us were mixed, at best, then no wonder he was as screwed up as he was at the end, after all those surgeries to transform himself into an idealized european, or caucasion standard of beauty, because it seemed to be those of that milieu that excoriated, ridiculed and rejected him the worst, beginning during the molestation allegations and subsequent settlement in 1994, during his trial and acquittal, and up till his demise… where were his ”adopted” people when he needed them in his corner… seems to me if someone went to that much money and pain to make themselves over to become one of them, they would have shown him more support, and respect… .. he became a man without a racial identity then, albeit of his own making, clowns on the left of him, jokers to the right, and he’s stuck in the middle…. we’ll never know the extent of how he really felt, but i can say for myself, and oodles of other black folk – wasn’t nothing mixed about the feelings and respect for him as a human being, and an artist.. we loved him in 1969, we love him in 2009. the rest i’ll let god, or whatever higher power there may be sort out.

Some tour numbers from BB Boxscore:

14 American Idols Live ARCO Arena
Sacramento, Calif.
July 10, 2009
$665,086
10,937 /
11,527
1 /
0
$69.50, $40.50
AEG Live

15 American Idols Live HP Pavilion
San Jose, Calif.
July 12, 2009
$643,979
10,391 /
12,004
1 /
0
$69.50, $40.50
AEG Live

18 American Idols Live Rose Garden
Portland, Ore.
July 5, 2009
$587,332
9,537 /
11,680
1 /
0
$69.50, $40.50
AEG Live

20 American Idols Live General Motors Place
Vancouver, British Columbia
July 8, 2009
$536,828
8,203 /
12,533
1 /
0
$69.80, $43.95
AEG Live

21 American Idols Live Oracle Arena
Oakland, Calif.
July 11, 2009
$535,316
8,459 /
12,525
1 /
0
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no harm, no foul noctem, i’ve always respected your ability to ‘ bring it’ , and if you’re ever down south, look me up, and let’s see if any branches of our family trees intersect – everyone’s related down here, in some fashion or another, if ya go back far enough’ ¦..

Well, while I didn’t appreciate being presumptively pigeon-holed, I don’t want to convey a false impression either. If we did have any kin in common, it would be via marriage or adoption on my end. I have black relatives via both avenues. However, my sister’s husband’s mother was raised in the south, (and she’s still very “southern”!) so it’s conceivable you and she may have some distant connection…

Daughtry is predicted to have first week sales of 240-260K. I thought he’d open higher than that.

That’s about where Kelly opened. What will be interesting to see is if his trajectory mirrors her latest record or his first one. He didn’t have a dynamite opening as I recall when his eponymous CD dropped– barely over 300K, I think, which wasn’t outstanding by 2006 standards. What was remarkable, though, was the way the record sold after it’s first fourteen days– going platinum after four or five weeks and continuing to fly after that.

Based on the moderate success of “No Surprise”, I’d say the successive week numbers for “Leave This Town” will be closer to the performance of “All I Ever Wanted”. Although, I expect he has a decent chance to eventually go double platinum this time around whereas she hasn’t even yet convinced me that she’ll go single platinum this time out.

it’s all good noctem – family is family, whether ya marry in, adopt in, or are born in… most southerners i know are funny that way :cool2_tb:

Sounds like a decent number for me. I was fearing for worse numbers. This is why artists and label love that prime Holiday/Fall season. That’s the only way you can get big nos these days it seems unless you’re some huge star who disappeared for more than 5 years like Eminem or Maxwell. This timing thing makes me curious how much Carrie can sell if she’s releasing at around March (like Kelly) or July (like Daughtry) instead of always during the Fall season. I think she can still pull in bigger numbers but not as big as her opening weeks when she’s releasing during the Fall.

idol sales related – i did download daughtry’s latest – and i’m rather surprised – i like it… it will be interesting watching the numbers to see if he will top his debut in 1st week sales… how the cd performs after that is anyone’s guess…. is it out of the realm of possibility for him to match or exceed his debut?

It’s almost impossible these days for anyone to sell 4 mlllion albums. Plus the Idol sophmore slump is alive and well. The second album never outsells the first.

His numbers are petty strong though for a release in the middle of summer and No Surprise not being a huge top 40 hit. Daughtry’s genre is not my fav so I don’t usually buy his stuff but I don’t turn the dial when his music comes on the radio either. I have downloaded a couple of songs because I like his voice alot.

Without a huge hit, I can’t see this going platinum as quickly as the first. But it should def get there eventually.

The reason that I believe that Kelly will hit platinum is that I think she will begin to gain traction with her 3rd single and possibly her 4th. Rihanna, Fergie, etc.. (okay, you can argue that they were “newer” to the music scene) all had a bunch of hit singles before their album sales even picked up. I think Rihanna released 8? singles while Fergie had 6? Kelly has a lot of other really good songs on that album, but I think the mistake was putting out I Do Not Hook Up but that’s cuz that’s one of my least faves from the album.

Daughtry has potential because there’s a lot of other good songs on his album and he has a duet with Vince Gill for a reason- he wants to cross different markets and country is a good way to expand his audience.

16 10 JACKSON*MICHAEL HISTORY PAST PRESENT & FUTURE 14325 153 5656 2,573,425

Hi me again, with my questions. Just making sure I understand the numbers.

I’m assuming 16 means chart today 10 means last weeks chart

14325 is the number of downloads this week. Is 153 the percentage it went down? Does that mean it sold 5656 units this week? And is the total number 2,573,425 the total units sold since digital downloads were available? Or does that include all sales?

Based on the moderate success of ‘No Surprise’ , I’d say the successive week numbers for ‘Leave This Town’  will be closer to the performance of ‘All I Ever Wanted’ .

The song got 11 pop adds out of nowhere yesterday. I think No Surprise will be sail up the charts shortly.

I think he’s in a completely different genre than Kelly, so this record will act more like Nickleback’s. I think he’ll sell fine, especially if they send the next single to rock radio.

Am I the only person who has no clue who Maxwell is? :hmm1_ee:

Thanks for the tour numbers, leome. The tour looks to be doing well, perhaps getting similar numbers as last year. Is it my imagination or are the ticket prices lower this year? I thought last year the more expensive ticket was more than $70.

I expect he has a decent chance to eventually go double platinum this time around

I doubt he will go double platinum. There isn’t any great song in this album.

undercooked, I’m no expert, but here’s a shot.

Those numbers appear to reflect an 153% increase in sales this week over last week, so I’d say #16 last week, #10 this week. Assuming this is the album chart, not a digital downloads chart, 14325 reflects this week’s sales, 5656 reflects sales last week, and 2,573,425 is the total overall sales (including digital.)

I’m sure someone will come along and correct me if I’m wrong.

Yay, I would guess Daughtry to go double platinum over time as well. It would be hard for anyone to reach 4-5 platinum anymore. It’s unheard of it seems.
If weaker albums can go platinum, I think Daughtry should be ok. :grin1_ee:

Thanks wereallinnocent – so it looks like MJ is hanging in there and his sales are increasing.

More numbers from Idol Chatter.

I think when the term “Black Community” sounds as ridiculous to people as using the term “White Community” then we would have made some progress.

Thanks wereallinnocent – so it looks like MJ is hanging in there and his sales are increasing.

Yeah, all’s good. IIRC, he sold over 400,000 albums the week of his death (which means that’s only 3.5 days of sales Thurs p.m. – Sun), around 800,000 last week, and 1.1 million this week. Impressive! I don’t remember total singles numbers, but they were impressive too. Not sure if they’ve increased over time like the albums, but I recall over 2 million singles that first week, I believe.

If Kris re-records “Heartless” this weekend for release to radio as MJ reported Monday, how soon would that translate to the new version actually being heard on the radio & the new sales reported?

I think when the term ‘Black Community’  sounds as ridiculous to people as using the term ‘White Community’  then we would have made some progress.

Yeah that! I always wonder why when they have all those meetings where the consensus’ are reached, didn’t I get an invite, lol! I guess my sistah’ card was pulled.

I am glad that there was this outpouring for Michael, and that people are responding and recognizing the music, because that was and should be his legacy. The music is abiding because it was good music. When all is said and done his music will be played into the next millenium.

Am I the only person who has no clue who Maxwell is?

You are not. I finally had to Google him.

There are many more singers other than Michael Jackson who are revered for their musical contributions after their death even though they often sucked at living. I will never forget the hit John Lennon took for saying that the Beatles were more popular than Jesus Christ, or for his absurd lifestyle and his and the rest of the Beatles very apparent overuse of psychedelic drugs. And how many “Rock Gods” alienated their fans as they went down the slippery slope of drugs and women and often died because of their lifestyles.

And how many actors and comedians screwed up their lives…John Belushi and a host of other SNL alumni.

After their deaths these people are remembered and honored for their contributions to comedy and acting and to music. Why should Michael be held to a different standard. The legacy that someone leaves is what they contributed to us…not the tragic circumstances of their lives that have nothing to do with us and really didn’t affect us personally….but the art and the music they left for new generations to enjoy is what should be honored and remembered.

Here are the album sales for Idol Chatter

Soundtrack, Hannah Montana 3 (incl. I Wanna Know You feat. David Archuleta) (137,000, debut, 137,000 total/15,000 digital)
Various, American Idol Season 8 (11,000, -19 percent, 25,000)
Kelly Clarkson, All I Ever Wanted (8,000, 8 percent, 643,000/1,000 digital, -14 percent, 137,000 digital total)
Carrie Underwood, Carnival Ride (6,000, 2 percent, 2.924 million)
Kellie Pickler, Kellie Pickler (6,000, -4 percent, 267,000)
David Cook, David Cook (5,000, -12 percent, 1.200 million/147,000 digital total)
Daughtry, Daughtry (5,000, 5 percent, 4.487 million/1,000 digital, 31, 373,000 digital total)
Various, Rock of Ages (Original Broadway Cast Recording) (4,000, re-entry, 9,000)
Carrie Underwood, Some Hearts (4,000, -9 percent, 6.812 million)
Jennifer Hudson, Jennifer Hudson (3,000, 26 percent, 753,000)
David Archuleta, David Archuleta (2,000, 720,000)
Kelly Clarkson, Breakaway (2,000, 6.084 million)
Ruben Studdard, Love IS (1,000, 32,000)
Adam Lambert, Season 8 Favorite Performances (less than 1,000, -38 percent, 34,000 total)
Kelly Clarkson, Thankful (2.7 million total)
Kelly Clarkson, My December (796,000)
Taylor Hicks, Taylor Hicks (704,000)
Taylor Hicks, The Distance (37,000)
LaKisha Jones, So Glad I’m Me (4,000)
Katharine McPhee, Katharine McPhee (378,000)
Ruben Studdard, Souful (1.8 million)
Ruben Studdard, I Need an Angel (462,000)
Ruben Studdard, The Return (238,000

Digital Downloads

Jordin Sparks, Battlefield (Main Version) (50,000, 6 percent, 388,000 total)
Daughtry, No Surprise (36,000, 5 percent, 446,000)
Kellie Pickler, Best Days of Your Life (30,000, -6 percent, 610,000)
Kelly Clarkson, I Do Not Hook Up (25,000, -18 percent, 531,000)
Kelly Clarkson, My Life Would Suck Without You (13,000, -20 percent, 2.007 million)
David Cook, Come Back to Me (13,000 -16 percent, 260,000)
Rascal Flatts, Here Comes Goodbye (8,000, -10 percent, 522,000)
David Archuleta, Crush (5,000, 1.78 million)
Jordin Sparks w/Chris Brown, No Air (4,000, 2.95 million)
Jordin Sparks, One Step (3,000, 1.28 million)
Jordin Sparks, Tattoo (3,000, 1.96 million)

IMO, I could still get past the drugs or the whoring around and see the genius of Lennon or Belushi? I can’t get past the children.

^^MJ was acquitted of the charges though, so he’s not proven by law as a pedophile and JMHO, I never believed it either. I just think he liked to be around children coz he never got to be one.

Vacationing on the OBX (Outerbanks, North Carolina), really beautiful. Stopped in Delaware on the drive down, but drove straight through on the way home. Long drive back to CT. Geo.Washington is still crazy @ 1:00 am. EZ pass is the way to go. Late to the game with the totals. For those interested here are the estimated numbers — thank you, Brian Mansfield/Idol Chatter

*minus 5% on 6,000
*minus 5% on 1,000

Kris Allen
Heartless (less than 6,000 per Brian M.) est. *5,700 X .99 = *$5,643.00

Previous Total Sales — $1,074,861.80 *$5,643.00 = $1,080,504.80

Adam Lambert
Adam Lambert Album (less than 1,000 per Brian M.) est. *950 x 9.99 = *$9,490.50

Previous Total Sales — $929,194.83 $9,490.50 = $938,685.33

Rounded figures:

Kris Allen total (post idol finale) $1,081,000.00*

Adam Lambert total (post idol finale) $939,000.00*