Idol Sales News – Week Ending 02/15/09

Hot 100 Airplay (number in brackets indicates increase in audience impressions
No. 15 – Kelly Clarkson ( 4.6 million)
No. 68 – Carrie Underwood ( 2.4 million)
No. 107 – Jennifer Hudson ( 3.7 million) (26 on R&B)

Streaming Charts:
No. 19 Kelly Clarkson – My Life Would Suck Without You

Nice to see you back up, mj.

My GOD I can’t get over the numbers for Flo Rida. Insane!

I don’t get the numbers for Flo Rida.

Then again, my Top 40 station doesn’t play Flo Rida; they’re more Hot AC leaning. I never hear Right Round and I never heard Low on that station.

Seriously whoa Flo Rida! And, seriously, Light On dropped so low that we don’t get numbers, really? Oh well, HDD predicts DCTR should get a 50% bump, so I suppose we’ll deal.

^^ Well, it’s the result of the Grammys. A lot of songs were bumped out of the top 50 because of Grammy songs being bumped up. But really, the only way LO (and Crush, too) are going to move up in the chart on their own volition is if they were promoted by some other means (Idol or another TV program). Crush is dead everywhere but AC (which doesn’t traditionally sell a lot of singles), and LO is dying on Top 40 and beginning to die on Hot AC. LO will take awhile to reach 1 million, if it does, and Crush will take awhile to reach 2 million, if it does.

Thanks soundscene. I didn’t think it was selling all that much, certainly not in the Top 50. Just with reaching down as low as 137 for Last Name and 168 for ALTNOY, I’m wondering how low we must go to find LO! LOL

109 Jennifer Hudson à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“You Pulled Me Throughà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  16,795 (827%; lw 1,811) Total: 21,671

Nice Grammy bounce for JHud – 827%?! :eek_wp:

Hey everybody, don’t panic yet about LO, it might not be as bad as it seems. We have no numbers for it because the leak site where I guess Kristen and MJ get the numbers from only reports the top 50 and then only a few ‘bonuses’ from the rest of the chart, but not the complete chart. Seems like the people over there are not too interested in DC so they have skipped LO this time, but I suspect it sold more than Carrie’s Last Name, maybe even more than JHud, who knows. I’d say wait and see until Brian from Idol Chatter gives us all the AI numbers.

I’m not panicked about LO numbers. Thanks for the reassurance though. LO has been doing quite well. The week of 2/8 it sold 31,000 downloads and the week before roughly 34k. *shrugs* To date, it’s already sold 707,581. I’m sure we’ll also get Magic Rainbow downloads, too. It’s all good.

Yay for Grammy sales bump for JHud.

Go Kelly!

Brian Mansfield at Idol Chatter has the sales numbers posted. LO stayed the same as last week on 31,000

ETA: The link didn’t quite turn out as I planned – first time experimenting with the “clean” links. Clearly I need more practice!

31,000 again for LO? WOW! Yeah. That’s awesome.

David Cook, Time of My Life: 12,000, up 64 percent from 7,000 (total: 1.1 million)

^^ Who keeps buying this song? Hee! Hilarious.

978,000 copies of DCTR. 44% increase, so a nice AI Experience bump for sale.

Yay!
Happy for David Cook!

LO: 31,000 ( 0%) total 738,000
DCTR: 24,000 ( 44%) total 978,000

One million mark next week maybe? *crossing fingers*

Thanks for the link psnax!

For David A.:

?? Crush: 30K, -6% (1.6M total)
168 David Archuleta à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“A Little Too Not Over Youà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  11,393 (35%; lw 8,470) Total: 103,284 (OFF)

Album: 12K, 34% (640K total)

978,000 copies of DCTR. 44% increase, so a nice AI Experience bump for sale.

I’m thinking its a combination of TOML used on AI, Disney related press(GMA, etc), and grammy week which seemed to give many non-grammy nominated albums a boost that caused the increase. But, whatever it was, I’ll take it!

Hmm, approx 22K to 1mill for DCTR. It’s really a toss up if DC will cross that line this week or next. On the one hand, I’m expecting a decline since there aren’t any promos this week, combined with SP and iTunes indicators… on the other hand, if he drops less than ~8% he still might make it? Hmm. Next week will be fun– either I’ll be like, YAY, or dangit, so close, haha =P. Wow, Magic Rainbows went up a lot after the usage on AI’s top 36 montage. Looks like Archie’s second song is picking up, which is good. I like it.

I’m hoping for promo for all who participated in the Disney AI festivities on AI today. What else do they have to do during the hour results show.

What else do they have to do during the hour results show.

I’m actually kind of worried– between Carly and MJ’s duet, rumors that the three to go through will perform, and my guess that they might want to include clips of “Idol Mansion shenanigans” at some point this year, I hope there’s time for AIE coverage! The Carrie/Cook duet plus the 7 winners in one place– that is just too good not to be broadcast.

Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢m hoping for promo for all who participated in the Disney AI festivities on AI today. What else do they have to do during the hour results show.

They always think of new and boring ways to fill the time. lol. But pimping the AI Experience would make sense. Aren’t Carly & Michael performing?

I’d be shocked if they don’t pimp the Disney event. They manage to squeeze in stupid field trips to movie premieres and stuff, I can’t imagine something this big they won’t highlight. I’m not 100% certain about the duet, but all 7 winners together for the first time? They’ll show it even if they wait a week.

“A Little Too…” is actually selling pretty well relative to how little it’s being played. That suggests to me that the problem is not with the song itself. So that may mean that the hangup is either with the artist or the label. Or it could be a combination of both.

I do think it’s possible that the broader music industry’s perception of David’s persona is limiting him. It’s true that there are teen acts out there that are not overly-sexualized, but compared to David they seem like Kim Kardashian.

I also wonder if Jive was underwhelmed by Jordin’s freshman performance as a function of how much effort they put into her, and if they are unwilling to go through that again with Archie. They had to absolutley muscle her album just to get it to the point where it can be considered a middling success.

For all the talk about how we are in a “singles era” now, singles still yield miniscule profits to everyone involved. And there are artists out there who are absolute single-selling monsters like Rihanna, but still find themselves out of favor with their labels because they don’t move sufficient numbers of albums. So, it’s conceivable that Jive was unimpressed by the album sales and doesn’t want to go down the same road with DA that they were forced to travel with Jordin.

That being said, his album numbers are better than hers were at this point. He could still go platinum, and it would probably take less work to coax him there than it did for her. And as long as Crush keeps getting played, it will assuredly reach double-platinum status.

But, still, some of the decisions that they are making with regards to his career are extremely questionable. For instance, why in the world would you send him overseas as an opening act at this stage of his run? He’s far from even having broken big in THIS country, so why exile him to another one? Especially considering that once the Idol Finals commence in a few weeks he will begin to fade from the public’s consciousness if he hasn’t already, being replaced by the new crop of AI “it-kids”….

Crush: 30K, -6% (1.6M total)
168 David Archuleta à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“A Little Too Not Over Youà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  11,393 (35%; lw 8,470) Total: 103,284 (OFF)

Album: 12K, 34% (640K total)

I am pleased. Crush is still doing well, the album is moving along, and ALTNOY is begining to pick up. :thumbup_tb:

Noctem, maybe Jive or Azoff thinks he might be more successful overseas?

What I don’t get is that Archie’s promotion for the album was “18 yr old guy, grown up in front of the limelight, much more mature” but I did not think the iCarly promotions and I think he said he might do Hannah Montana? helps promote Archie to a new, older demographic.

I thought if McFly was doing the tour in the US, it would be much more advantageous for Archie if he was opening for them in the US – Jordin didn’t even do her UK promotion after One Step at a Time.

Jive are definitely taking a slightly different route than they did with Jordin.

But I’m sure all the stuff Archie’s been doing has been thought out by his management, so I wouldn’t worry that much.

widz- David has such a wide fanbase. I think they are trying different things for different demographics. Most older fans, unless they are watching blogs like this or closely watching the major fansites, won’t have a clue that he is doing some younger things. That is my guess.

noctum, I just read your post. David is starting a month long tour on Feb. 24th to 20 cities in the US, most of which are sold out. I think that is going to get him major publicity here. Then the European tour is pretty short as well. There are rumors that they are working on a bigger US tour in the summer. He has tons of stuff going on.

Also, I am way biased, but I don’t think there is any way on earth David is going to fade from people’s minds. I think he is picking up speed from everything I see. And from looking at the numbers, he is doing pretty darn well, especially for the small amount of promo they have done. ALTNOY is acting a lot like LO did for a while, moving slowly, but it is still picking up speed, so I think in time, it will get up there. I still believe that people are hanging onto Crush, so they aren’t playing ALTNOY much yet.

I assume that decisions are made among all parties. I know that some fans have expressed concern about David singing with Miley, but family friend and fansofdavid founder said the other day (on fansofdavid) that David was asked and he wanted to do it, so they are letting him.

Are tour plans (like with Archie’s) something that is decided by the label or is it more of Archie’s own management calling the shots of who he should be touring with? Presumably, both sides will coordinate tour plans with other promo opportunities but I’d like to know who is in the driver’s seat. Anyone?

Hmm..that’s probably true, LK09
(wait I thought there was someone named LK08 – was that you? LOL)

Keel – I’m not quite sure about that, I think it depends which side is investing money. If the label is investing in the tour, I think they would have some say (or a lot of say) in where the artist goes to tour, what they should play on the tour, etc. (of course this also depends on the artist’s relationship with the label).

But if the label is not investing much into the tour, I think the artist/management will have the say into what goes on in the tour – afterall the artist will be the one paying for all the things needed to be paid if the label isn’t investing in the tour.

Or maybe I’m just talking nonsense here, I have no idea. But that’s how I’ve always thought of tours, probably wrong though. LOL.

widz- yes I updated LK08 to LK09. :lol_wp:

What I donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t get is that Archieà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s promotion for the album was à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“18 yr old guy, grown up in front of the limelight, much more matureà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  but I did not think the iCarly promotions and I think he said he might do Hannah Montana? helps promote Archie to a new, older demographic.

I really agree with this. It seems like they are just putting Archie anywhere and everywhere and seeing where he sticks. I think it is good to get exposure, but at the same time, I believe it is hurting part of his demographics. Older teenagers are going to frown upon someone that is associated with iCarly and Hannah Montanna. Whether that is right or wrong, that is just the way (most) teenagers are in my opinion. He is going to lose the older teenage demographics. I think they should have stuck to the way they seemed to originally be going with the album…much more mature. He is after all, 18 years old all ready. I sort of think it is an insult to his talent to be on iCarly or Hannah Montana (but that is just me, others may feel differently).

It seems like they are using the “see where he sticks” mentality with the tours also. Ship him all over, and see where he becomes popular. Like Noctem posted, I don’t understand that either. Why not make the US tour longer and take advantage of his popularity here? Have him open for a bigger name here, just like Jennifer Hudson is going to do. Just like Jordin did also. I just don’t get it.

I disagree when fans say he is trying to appeal to all his demographics. He should start with one, become successful, and then branch out. No artist can appeal to all demographics. Perhaps artists such as Taylor Swift has managed that, but I think it is a rarity.

Just like Simon always says on Idol to all the contestants. You have to find a niche and home in on who you are as an artist. I don’t know who Archie is as an artist. On Idol, he was a mature balladeer. Now after idol, is he a Pop Artist? Is he a Teen Artist? I haven’t a clue. Maybe others do? I actually think it is a shame, because he has major talent.

IMO there is no evidence to show that the things David has been doing are damaging or that what his team is having him do is not helping his success. I am sure some things will be more successful than others. You never know until after you do something how it worked.

I for one will continue to assume that JIVE knows what they are doing and will trust them, David, and his team to do know what will work well for him.

lol on the archie haters (myself included) looking concerned about archie’s career direction… sorry archies, we simply don’t have anything going with our lives right now.

How do we know how Archie is promoted is damaging to his career? it’s too early to tell imo, and besides, Archie is still young, if the current strategy doesn’t bear fruit, then change it. This is the best time for such experiment, cause Archie has a lot of time.

It’s encouraging to see people getting so concerned about Archie I must say. Noctem’s and Mak’s posts are always the best haha.

I’m not concerned about it at all, in any direction. I make all of my observations dispassionately. However, if this isn’t a topic which is safe to discuss neutrally with reason, then I will simply refrain from offering my opinions about it.

noctem- your opinions are welcome anytime.

lol on the archie haters (myself included) looking concerned about archieà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s career directionà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦

Just because people express their opinions does not make them haters. You may be, but I am not (if you were referring to me).

LOL at the so-called “haters” concern. I’m not a hater nor do I see anyone posting here who is, but I too was scratching my head earlier about what’s up with Archie and almost posted — computer glitch. Guess that’s a good thing. ;-P

Seriously though, just as we wonder who’s buying TOML now, I wonder who’s buying Crush and why the heck aren’t they buying DATA?! That’s not “looking concerned” so much as it is looking curious and interested.

But then, I am a rock album-buying throwback, so there’s that. And, I do enjoy noctem and mac’s thoughtful posts and hope they continue submitting them.

I think its fine to discuss things and get views from various people on things, as long as its done maturely, as it seems everyone is doing here.

Im 28 and ill admit to watching icarly even before I knew he was going to be on it… heck my husband sometimes watches it too hahaha I dont think its really all that damaging to him. I think now is the best time to experiment and try things, he’s still young so its not all that surprising, ya know. Instead of later when your going Stevie and JoBro… wtf?!?

Noctem: I also wonder if Jive was underwhelmed by Jordinà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s freshman performance as a function of how much effort they put into her, and if they are unwilling to go through that again with Archie. They had to absolutley muscle her album just to get it to the point where it can be considered a middling success.

I think youà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢re vastly underestimating Jordinà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s success and her value to her label. Ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s not just about album sales any longer. She had three top ten Top40 hits off a debut album and massive airplay… yielding royalties to both the songwriters and copyright owners. à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“No Airà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  was a solid hit in Europe and the UK without, as far as I know, a great deal of promotion. Factor in the charting ringtones, single downloads, video sales, etc.

For all the talk about how we are in a à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“singles eraà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  now, singles still yield miniscule profits to everyone involved.

Sell enough of them though and they DO become profitable. Jordin sold around 7 million single downloads — roughly the financial equivalent of 700,000 album à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“unitsà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  on itunes. And ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s not impossible to sell both singles and albums sucessfully (see Daughtry with 8 million single downloads.)

And there are artists out there who are absolute single-selling monsters like Rihanna, but still find themselves out of favor with their labels because they donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t move sufficient numbers of albums.

Rihanna, along with Leona Lewis, was among the top ten world-wide album sellers of 2008. Add to that her massive single sales and thereà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s just no way Rihanna can be said to be underperforming…

You know, I always perceived Jive as treating teens/tweens as Archie’s core market. Didn’t he have posters up in middle schools and do concerts at high school football fields? He has an online video game. His face stays in the teen magazines. Hannah Montana and ICarly are the 2 biggest TV shows for that audience. So it all makes sense.

The McFly tour is short, isn’t it? I think it is at the same time as the UK album (single?) release. One of the Archies will know. Either way, I don’t think a 3/4 week detour is a big deal.

The only thing I worry about with Archie is ALTNOY’s performance. It’s going really slow and it doesn’t seem to be picking up any big adds. It makes no sense to me because the song is good IMO. I hope Jive puts out another song if this one doesn’t get moving in a couple of weeks. My little honorary stepson deserves another single. LOL.

Rihanna, along with Leona Lewis, was among the top ten world-wide album sellers of 2008. Add to that her massive single sales and thereà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s just no way Rihanna can be said to be underperformingà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦

I didn’t just make up my point about Rihanna. There were a spate of articles last year about how one reason that she was almost broke was because her label forced her to pay for her own videos using her endorsement money because they were dissatisfied with her album sales to that point.

Didnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t he have posters up in middle schools and do concerts at high school football fields? He has an online video game. His face stays in the teen magazines.

Don’t forget the teddy bear and corresponding single.

But, then again, there’s the Mardi Gras parade. So, yeah, it’s a bit of a shotgun approach if you ask me (or even if you don’t. LOL)

Im 28 and ill admit to watching icarly even before I knew he was going to be on ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦ heck my husband sometimes watches it too hahaha. I think now is the best time to experiment and try things, heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s still young so its not all that surprising, ya know. Instead of later when your going Stevie and JoBro…

Well said Frogcooke. Funny thing is I and two of my kids, 18 and 21, had never heard of icarly before David was on there. It is silly and random but pretty funny and entertaining, and we have been watching it off and on since. It is a pretty good window into what (good) kids are like today with technology.

As far as the “high school football games”, he went to one game in the Columbus, Ohio area as part of his radio promotions there. Only one.

And Tinawina, I remember a lot of hand wringing going on for a long time over LO, but they were patient and it eventually started doing better. I expect the same thing to happen to ALTNOY. It would be unwise to pull the plug now, IMO. I never expected ALTNOY to act in any way like Crush, because Crush was the first single from an album that had not been released. Many of David’s fans already had ALTNOY from his album when it was released, so it has to gain new fans over time. It IS moving up and bigger stations will add it as it slowly moves up the chart. For many of us, it is moving too slowly, but those close to David have expressed that they are fine with where it is and have confidence it will continue to grow.

Donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t forget the teddy bear and corresponding single.

As far as the teddy bear thing, it is for charity. I don’t remember the exact details but I read that the CEO of build a bear met David while he was at the Today show or somewhere like that and thought he would be the perfect person to kick off this campaign, which is going to be repeated by many artists. David loves doing charity, so it would be hard for him to say no.

In fact, many things David has done (probably the Miley Cyrus thing), he is doing because people have asked him to do it. His label then decides it is not a bad idea, rather than them seeking out these things. David is marketing to a younger crowd and is marketing to an older crowd. I wouldn’t call that a shotgun approach. He appeals to a wide variety of people. Good for him.

^^^My comments weren’t intended to be critical, so no need to defend *against* them imo. I only added a couple of additional examples of the “wide variety of people,” as you say, that he appears to be marketing to (with a shotgun spray, not a rifle shot. ) *shrug*

I’m not going to add to the Archie marketing stuff. Too confusing for me.
However, I’m a little surprised AI isn’t giving him more pimpage. Even though he’s not selling like Cook, he ain’t doing that badly. That Carly show gave him a nice boost and he’s not sliding down the charts like most of the second place finishers. At this point, he’s pretty guaranteed to sell at least 700K which ain’t too shabby these days.

ALTNOY looks like it’s flopping but I still think the album has some legs. I don’t really understand why the producers gave Carly/Michael time to perform and yet haven’t even shown a minute of the Crush/ALTNOY video. It’s really in their financial interest to pimp him a little more.

Puzzling.

can’t figure out how to edit so I just reposted below.

wk 14- 61 71 60 * ARCHULETA*DAVID DAVID ARCHULETA 12,205 9,106 34 639,823 – w/e 2/15/09

wk 13 – 71 David Archuleta, David Archuleta 9,106 (lw 8,941) 2% 627,618

wk 12- 60 ARCHULETA*DAVID DAVID ARCHULETA 8,941 -6 9,519 618,512

He’s gone up the last 3 weeks :thumbup_tb:

27 JIVE 44 50 60 ARCHULETA*DAVID CRUSH 29,732 31,581 -6 1,576,894

wereallinocent- It is always hard to tell where people are coming from when you read their writing on the internet(hating David or whatever). I feel I must try to defend David, even though it probably isn’t necessary, so all is good. I’ll be honest. When the “worries” come from Cook fans, it seems more like they are trying to tear David down.

jpfan- I was definitely disappointed that AI didn’t even mention Crush or what Kara has done with David when they introduced her. I think they are missing a major opportunity because when someone on AI is majorly successful, I think it helps the legitimacy of AI.

I am pretty sure David will be on the show at some point. I doubt if they would waste his success and talent on such an early show. I can’t remember the exact dates his US tour ends or when the European tour is, but he does have some timing issues. It will be interesting.

I don’t think ALTNOY is flopping. It is just moving slowly. Also, having his first single going on double platinum, and his album heading toward platinum, which I am SURE it is easily going to achieve is actually better than Jordin at this point and honestly not too far behind cook in album sales. He will get there, I am sure. (As you can see above, he is already close to 700,000)

Even though he is just getting started, he is very successful in today’s market and is in so much demand and has so many events coming down the pipeline. His fans were concerned after his album came out that he might not have enough going on. But, I can’t hardly keep up with all he is doing and I don’t know how he does it. It is amazing for anyone, but especially an 18 year old young man.

When the à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“worriesà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  come from Cook fans, it seems more like they are trying to tear David down.

I don’t think this is fair at all. I am a Cook fan, but I’m not now and never have been anti-Archie, not even close. At least speaking for myself, I really want (and expect) to see him succeed. Commenting on or, for that matter, even questioning his label/management’s marketing approach seems to be a legitimate topic of discussion to me, and reflects interest and concern for Archie rather than attacks.

But, ya know, I hear ya. AI can create odd sensitivities and cause us to read alot more into messages than was actually intended. Maybe we should not read the names of the posters, pretend they’re all anonymous and therefore dispassionate and disinterested. LOL j/k

ETA: ealbino, good numbers! Can you please point me to a place to find Cook’s? I saw his rounded, and I’d love to know his actuals too. TIA, if you see this.

wereallinnocent- I am not saying you are doing it, but if often feels that way when I have heard some people tear him down in many posts and then they suddenly act they like they care about what he is doing. It is just the way it feels to me. Not all Cook fans are like that. There are many people who follow both and many people, who, even if they don’t follow both, wish them both well and see that it IS ok if they are both successful. I am in the latter camp.

weareallinnocent
I’m not ealbino but here are Cook’s numbers for you:

32 DCTR 24,440 (lw 16,954) 44% 977,719

58 LIGHT ON 30,911 (lw 30,957) 0% 738,449

160 TIME OF MY LIFE 12,107 (lw 7,393) 64% 1,122,714

Thanks so much, gigglesmo3!! I’m saying that alot these days, it seems.

wereallinocent- It is always hard to tell where people are coming from when you read their writing on the internet(hating David or whatever). I feel I must try to defend David, even though it probably isnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t necessary, so all is good. Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢ll be honest. When the à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“worriesà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  come from Cook fans, it seems more like they are trying to tear David down.

I just read this. First of all, I have defended Archie 15 ways til Thursday from the get go. Second, I have advocated for ALTNOY many times. So no, I’m not trying to slam Archie, even though I’m a “Cook fan”. As much time I have spent arguing against that fanwar crap on here I’m a little peeved that anyone could even think I’m trying to do that kind of thing. That was seriously annoying.