Idol Sales News ‘“ Week Ending 11/22/09

After the Jump, today’s Idol Sales Numbers

Downloads

21 Carrie Underwood “Cowboy Casanova” 51,213 (-31%; lw 74,077) Total: 557,602 (14)
24 Kelly Clarkson “Already gone” 45,958 (-1%; lw 46,511) Total: 756,127 (24)
34 Kris Allen “Live Like We’re Dying” 35,787 (67%; lw 21,402) Total: 155,340 (80)
75 Adam Lambert “For Your Entertainment” 19,465 (-25%; lw 26,065) Total: 63,927 (56)

Glee
23 Glee “Lean on Me” 46,363 (NEW) 46.363 (NEW)
31 Glee “Don’t Stand So Close To Me/Young Girl” 37,914 (NEW) Total: 37,914 (NEW)
37 Glee “I’ll Stand By You” 33,357 (NEW) Total: 33,357 (NEW)
38 Glee (Chris Colfer) “Defying Gravity” 32,722 (-53%; lw 69,979) Total: 127,240 (15)
42 Glee “Endless Love” 31,498 (NEW) Total: 31,498 (NEW)
86 Glee “Crush” 16,702 (NEW) Total: 16,702 (NEW)
139 Glee “You’re Having My Baby” 10,672 (NEW) Total: 10,672 (NEW)

Albums:
9 Carrie Underwood “Play On” 86,218 (-33%; lw 128,443) Total: 532,472 **NOW GOLD**
11 Kris Allen “Kris Allen” 80,072 (NEW) Total: 80,072 (NEW)
44 David Archuleta “Christmas From the Heart” 17,717 (83%; lw 9,657) Total: 67,185
68 Daughtry “Leave This Town” 11,429 (-13%; lw 13,125) Total: 748,579
72 Adam Lambert “Take One” 11,090 (NEW; lw 289) Total: 11,379
171 Kelly Clarkson “All I Ever Wanted” 4,956 (-5%; lw 5,208) Total: 755,093

Idol Related:
14 Various “Now 32″ 57,911 (-15%; lw 68,343) Total: 227,953
51 Various “Wow Hits 2010″ 14,243 (-7%; lw 15,303) Total: 32,574
115 Various “Now 31″ 7,878 (-10%; lw 8,735) Total: 770,909
136 Various “Now Country V2″ 6,207 (-10%; lw 6,907) Total: 156,216

Airplay before recurrents are removed (increase in AI)
No. 8 – Kelly Clarkson (+2.3 million)
No. 148 – Kris Allen (+1.1 million)
No. 323 – Daughty (+2.2 million)

  • ggdoorsfan

    from idol chatter, usatoday… ”throws confetti”… album sales….

    David Archuleta was the week’s biggest gainer. Christmas From the Heart jumped 83 percent in week-to-week sales, selling nearly 18,000 copies.

    David Archuleta, Christmas From the Heart
    (18,000, +83 percent, 67,000/2,000 digital, +56 percent, 9,000 digital total)

    fan-freaking-tastic! the kaleidoscope special airs tomorrow on fox, the ”christmas from the heart” tour last night in utah got off to a rousing start… go david go!

    http://content.usatoday.com/communities/idolchatter/post/2009/11/album-sales-kris-allen-fails-to-make-top-10/1

  • ggdoorsfan

    from the perez hilton web site… david and his mom singing ”have yourself a merry little christmas” last night in utah… gorgeous, the both of them….

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K9bYecSvFn4&feature=player_embedded

  • CrazyCircle

    Still don’t get why FYE isn’t catching on; I really enjoy the song. I have heard it on one of the radio stations nearby (rural WI, of all places) a couple times, though, so that makes me happy! :)

  • KathyH

    Happy to see those unexpected (even to the uber-fans) numbers for David Archuleta’s Christmas from the Heart album. And glad to see the David and mom video get posted by Perez — I can’t watch half those SLC concert vids without crying, but that one really does me in.

  • CathyMK

    34 Kris Allen ‘Live Like We’re Dying’  35,787 (67%; lw 21,402) Total: 155,340 (80)

    Wow, a 67% increase in sales of LLWD this week! Go Kris! I guess radio play is starting to kick in, along with all of his album promo.

  • ggdoorsfan

    Happy to see those unexpected (even to the uber-fans) numbers for David Archuleta’s Christmas from the Heart album. And glad to see the David and mom video get posted by Perez ‘” I can’t watch half those SLC concert vids without crying, but that one really does me in.

    it appears to be connecting well with the intended audience outside of the base… that is very encouraging… and come black friday, and the deeper into the holiday season we move, we’ll hopefully continue to see sustained and consistent sales with increases… makes your heart glad to see the numbers, and to see videos of the tour kickoff last night… got me very excited for the tour stop i’ll be catching him in… ave maria was just stunning last night live, as was riu riu chiu, pat-a-pan, and o holy night…

  • Valentin432

    I guess there was no AMA’s bounce for FYE the single but if the album numbers are confirmed nobody will care.

  • unique28v

    I guess there was no AMA’s bounce for FYE the single but if the album numbers are confirmed nobody will care.

    Exactly.

    Kris’s radio promotion didn’t help his album sals. It looks like he might follow Jordin where people buy his singles but not his album.

  • mmb

    I guess there was no AMA’s bounce for FYE the single but if the album numbers are confirmed nobody will care

    .

    True. Altho FYE did climb back up into the 20s on itunes and a friend of mine heard it on the radio (NYC area) at least 4 times yesterday (or so she says). I don’t expect FYE to go anywhere, especially with Adam singing WWFM in his TV performances, and 3 of the top radio stations in the country having added WWFM to its playlist.

  • Pam

    Here is the rounded figure for Kris from Billboard:

    A couple steps down, just outside the top 10, is “American Idol” winner Kris Allen with his self-titled debut, starting at No. 11 with 80,000 copies.

  • Squirrely

    I guess there was no AMA’s bounce for FYE the single but if the album numbers are confirmed nobody will care.

    That wouldn’t reflect until next week, I believe these sales cut off on Sunday. So whatever bounce will show next Wednesday. It’s currently #28 on itunes so there was a bit of a bounce.

  • http://kristentheyellowlab.blogspot.com/ Zsus

    I guess there was no AMA’s bounce for FYE the single but if the album numbers are confirmed nobody will care.

    Those numbers are from last week when FYE was sitting around #78. He’s up to #28, now. So, he’s going to have a nice album-sale bounce, just as Kris did last week.

  • Mila

    I guess there was no AMA’s bounce for FYE the single but if the album numbers are confirmed nobody will care.

    Arent the numbers from last week? Before the AMAs? I guess we will only know the impact next Wed, no? But indeed, no one will care. His single situation is very wonky…

    Good to know all the promo for the album last week helped LLWD a lot!

  • AZIdolFan

    wow. i was surprised by kris’s single sales. it was a good surprise.

    not surprising is adam’s sad sales for his single. adam’s people have sell adam outside of his ai fanbase and this bad song is not doing it. i heard another song of his that perez posted and it was really good. i think it was call “all i had was you” or something like that. anyways, that song was a good dance pop song that will probably be a top 40 hit. i don’t know why they didn’t release that one.

  • dhunken

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    Valentin432
    11/25/2009 at 11:56 am

    I guess there was no AMA’s bounce for FYE the single but if the album numbers are confirmed nobody will care.

    I disagree the single is now number #28 on combined single charts and #19 pop single charts. At one point it Was #72 combined. That is a huge bump.

  • leome

    All number posted by Brian

    Carrie Underwood, Play On (86,000, -33 percent, 532,ooo total/8,000 digital, -56 percent, 88,000 digital total)
    Kris Allen, Kris Allen (80,000, debut, 80,000/24,000 digital)
    Various, Now That’s What I Call Music! 32 (58,000, -15 percent, 228,000/1,000 digital, -23 percent, 4,000 digital total)
    Glee, Glee: The Music Vol. 1 (51,000, -9 percent, 220,000/13,000 digital, -29 percent, 71,000)
    Rod Stewart, Soulbook (21,000, -18 percent, 169,000/11,000 digital total)
    David Archuleta, Christmas From the Heart (18,000, +83 percent, 67,000/2,000 digital, +56 percent, 9,000 digital total)
    Various, WOW Hits 2010 (14,000, -7 percent, 33,000)
    Various, Now That’s What I Call a Country Christmas (12,000, +29 percent, 32,000)
    Daughtry, Leave This Town (11,000, -13 percent, 749,000/2,000 digital, -37 percent, 135,000 digital total)
    Adam Lambert, Take One (11,000, debut, 11,000/1,000 digital)
    Various, Now That’s What I Call Music! 31 (8,000, -10 percent, 771,000)
    Various, Now That’s What I Call Country Vol. 2 (6,000, -10 percent, 156,000)
    Soundtrack, Hannah Montana 3 (6,000, -2 percent, 494,000)
    Kelly Clarkson, All I Ever Wanted (5,000, -5 percent, 755,000/1,000 digital, +24 percent, 161,000 digital total)
    Kellie Pickler, Kellie Pickler (3,000, -10 percent, 338,000)
    Various, Now That’s What I Call Country (1,000, -5 percent, 389,000)

    Kris sold 24K digital. I think it just goes to show that the pass didn’t sell all those big numbers some people were thinking it did.

  • http://www.twilightslo.com Mateja

    11) Kris Allen ‘“ Kris Allen ‘“ 80,072

  • ozarka

    I wonder why Archie’s album didn’t make the HDD list. His sales are higher than several of those in the top 50. Because it wasn’t on the list, I was expecting sales of 10-12K. 18,000 was a very pleasant surprise indeed, to say the least!

  • Pam

    That’s a nice sales bump for Archie. :)

  • BeckyMD

    11) Kris Allen ‘“ Kris Allen ‘“ 80,072

    Is that the final number? It’s on the range of HDD’s earlier prediction of 75k-80k before they revised it to 85k-90k. Those people are good in prediction.

  • leome

    I wonder why Archie’s album didn’t make the HDD list.

    HDD was off on John Mayer and Kris’ numbers. I don’t know about others, but it probably was an off week for them.
    Good to see such a good increase for Archie.

  • weareallinnocent

    Since 11 is my absolute favorite number, I’m happy for Kris’ debut week. :-) I do wish he’d broken the Top 10 though. Still, good for him. The economy sucks and he’s been overshadowed (not judging, just an observation.)

    I do think it’s ridiculous that interviewers are asking him whether sales concern him. Jim C. should be ashamed. I don’t watch a lot of this stuff, but I don’t hear many artists asked about that, so it’s such an AI competition thing that it irks me that Kris has to answer it. Of course he’s in it to make music. Of course he is. The question is stupid and wastes a perfect opportunity to hear more from Kris about music, himself, his life, what have you. Ugh.

    Rant over.

    P.S. My logic regarding the number 11 does not apply to the 11,000 sales of the bastard child Take One. I can’t believe HiFi pressed and distributed hard CDs, I really can’t.

    Boy I’m in a pissy mood, aren’t I?! Apologies…

  • JudyOhio

    ozarka….I wondered the same thing. Had he been on the HDD top 50 list with 18,000, he would have been at #43.

  • BeckyMD

    Jim C. should be ashamed. I don’t watch a lot of this stuff, but I don’t hear many artists asked about that, so it’s such an AI competition thing that it irks me that Kris has to answer it.

    Adam was asked about sales too, at least twice in interviews that I listened to. He pretty much gave the same answer as Kris’. They just want to make music.

  • Kirsten

    Kris’s radio promotion didn’t help his album sals. It looks like he might follow Jordin where people buy his singles but not his album.

    They aren’t exactly rushing to buy his singles either. It depends how Jive feels about this. Jordin at least had a hit song on her hands when she debuted lowest. Times are tough. This may be it for Kris. They’ll give him a second single when he appears on Idol, but they may not bother to push it. On some of the other labels, they’d already be making plans on dropping him, but Jive is pretty patient. Plus they are frugal so their artists don’t have to sell as much.

    Kris sold 24K digital. I think it just goes to show that the pass didn’t sell all those big numbers some people were thinking it did.

    They must have sold a miniscule number of those. Price point was just way too high for unknown material to be delivered months later. People took a “wait and see” approach and forgot about him.

    I disagree the single is now number #28 on combined single charts and #19 pop single charts. At one point it Was #72 combined. That is a huge bump.

    There might be a bit of drag on the numbers though because each “complete my album” will result in a singles being returned.

  • Diane

    Interesting chart talk from Gil Kaufman of MTV:

    50 Cent will notch the lowest chart debut of his career next week when his long-delayed Before I Self Destruct lands at #5 on soft sales of 160,000. After his first two albums hit #1, selling 872,000 … and 1.15 million…, and 2007’s Curtis sold 691,000 following an infamous chart battle with Kanye West, this fifth-place finish is a major comedown.

    Twitter-lover John Mayer’s Battle Studies took the top spot with sales of 286,000, followed by My Christmas by tenor Andrea Bocelli (185,000), the debut of Norah Jones’ rock-tinged Fall (180,000) and Christian rock group Casting Crowns’ Until the Whole World Hears (167,000).

    The only other debut in the top 10 is from currently hobbled Canadian cutie Justin Bieber, whose My World comes in at #6 (137,000). The rest of the top 10 are: Michael Jackson’s This Is It (#7, 96,000), the “New Moon” soundtrack (#8, 93,000 on a 77 percent uptick in business thanks to the opening of the movie), Carrie Underwood’s Play On (86,000) and Taylor Swift’s Fearless (84,000).

    Just barely aced out of next week’s top 10 is “American Idol” winner Kris Allen, whose self-titled debut lands softly at #11, giving him the dubious distinction of having the lowest-charting first week for an “Idol” winner in the show’s history.

    [http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1627087/20091125/50_cent.jhtml]

    This doesn’t bother me in the least considering the economy and the fact that I know Kris put out a great album!! “Slow and easy, that’s my style. I’ll get there, but it takes a while. Don’t rush me.” ha…an old quote that popped in my head.

  • Q3

    The digital numbers for Kris’ album are surprisingly low. I take it as a reminder not to get swept up in any over-hyped expectations for Adam’s FYE album sales. Also, a reminder that HDD estimate was high. My expectation is that their estimate for Adam’s FYE will be slightly high too.

    Y’all know that I love numbers — but I am not loving these numbers. A lot of wiki pages will need to be updated this week. Kris now holds 4 dubious Idol Winner’s records:

    Lowest selling winner’s single [NoBo]
    Lowest selling winner’s lead album single [LLWD – Taylor had no lead single]
    Lowest first week winner’s debute album sales [KA Album] – coming in below Jordin Sparks who sold 119,000 copies first week.
    Lowest Billboard 200 Album first week chart entry for an Idol winner at #11 – Jordin was #10

    Not hard to predict that he will also take the big one: Taylor Hick’s lowest selling winner’s debut album because it doesn’t look like KA Album will sell over 809,000 copies [Taylor’s worldwide sales.]

    My only questions is “Where are all the Kris fans?” I am mostly an Adam fan, but even I bought Kris’ stuff because I like him. Did people just vote for him because he was “cute and safe”?

    And can we now stop calling Taylor a “losser” and deriding Jordin as someone “who can only sell singles”?

    Valentin432
    11/25/2009 at 11:56 am
    I guess there was no AMA’s bounce for FYE the single but if the album numbers are confirmed nobody will care.

    Sales period ended at 11:59PM Sunday 11/22/09 — so these are pre-AMA sales.

  • Hazehel

    A couple steps down, just outside the top 10, is ‘American Idol’  winner Kris Allen with his self-titled debut, starting at No. 11 with 80,000 copies.

    I was all ready to un-pat myself for getting my prediction wrong when HDD said 85K, but it looks like my prediction of 60-80K isn’t wrong. A bit sad about it actually because I did hope that Kris would do better than that.

    There were some discussion yesterday as to whether Carrie Underwood would overtake Kelly Clarkson in term of total US sales this week, so far it is not easy to tell, here are the reported sales from Idol Chatter –

    Kelly Clarkson –
    Thankful – 2,730K
    Breakaway – 6,104K
    My December – 800K
    All I Ever Wanted – 755
    Total – 10,389 K

    Carrie Underwood –
    Some Hearts – 6,859K
    Carnival Ride – 2,988K
    Play On – 532K
    Total – 10,379K

    That’s a difference of 10K. However, Idol Chatter hadn’t updated the sales of Some Hearts and Carnivale Ride for a couple of weeks, and here’s the numbers from last week leaked chart –
    UNDERWOOD*CARRIE CARNIVAL RIDE 5,022 1 4,997 2,992,951
    UNDERWOOD*CARRIE SOME HEARTS 4,044 16 3,482 6,862,820

    This gives a total of 10,387K without including this week sales numbers for both of these albums, meaning that Carrie’s total number for US should exceed Kelly’s this week. I’m not sure if the figure for My December is rounded off to the nearest 10L (so it may be 5K off), but even then, all indications suggest that Carrie Underwood may just have sold enough to overtake Kelly Clarkson. We might find out when the BB200 chart leaks, but perhaps Brian from Idol Chatter can clear this up in the meantime.

  • Kirsten

    Y’all know that I love numbers ‘” but I am not loving these numbers. A lot of wiki pages will need to be updated this week.

    You forgot one of the updates for this week.

    Lowest debuting single peak on the pop charts (although Kris didn’t win that one).

    And can we now stop calling Taylor a ‘losser’  and deriding Jordin as someone ‘who can only sell singles’ ?

    Yes, let’s all dog-pile on Kris instead.

  • babybelle32

    Kris’s radio promotion didn’t help his album sals. It looks like he might follow Jordin where people buy his singles but not his album.

    If people weren’t aware of Kris, the songs on the album, or LLWD I doubt they would have purchased the album just because they saw Kris on GMA. People hardly purchase an album on the basis of one song, especially since they can now download singles.

    First week sales are to hardcore fans, we all knew that Kris’ base wasn’t as big as the bases for previous idol alums, but so what, selling over 100,000 albums during the first week didn’t help Taylor Hicks, Diana DeGarmo, or Kat McPhee. They were all dropped based on what happened to their sales and radio play in the months that followed the release of their albums.

  • Valentin432

    I disagree the single is now number #28 on combined single charts and #19 pop single charts. At one point it Was #72 combined. That is a huge bump.

    WOW, I didn’t go to the itunes ranking since yesterday and it was still in the 50’s the controversy and tv appearances clearly payed off if he’s in #28 now, so it should be reflected in next week sales.

  • girlygirl

    Those 1st week sales for Kris’ album are discouraging, but perhaps it will pick up momentum as the weeks go along — which is what has happened with LLWD the last few weeks.

    Let’s focus on the positive — look at the HUGE jump in sales for Kris’ single this week. This is the 3rd straight week Kris has seen a big jump in sales for LLWD.

  • Kirsten

    Sales period ended at 11:59PM Sunday 11/22/09 ‘” so these are pre-AMA sales.

    Well not entirely. The AMAs were over around 11 pm on Sunday so there are a few AMAs sales in there.

    BTW Have we ever figured out if that is West or East coast time? I kind of suspect it is West coast (but I have no proof).

  • babybelle32

    And can we now stop calling Taylor a ‘losser’  and deriding Jordin as someone ‘who can only sell singles’ ?

    Kris’ numbers don’t change the fact that he’s more marketable than Taylor, or that Taylor was dropped from his contract after just a few months, and after selling 800,000 albums. Kris doesn’t have anything to do with Taylor’s failures, and Kris’ debut numbers don’t take change anything about what Taylor did or what happened to him.

    I don’t have my crystal ball out, but the fact that Kris is getting more airplay than Taylor could ever dream of, puts him in a much better positon than Taylor, and makes it look like he will have a lot more longevity in the industry and with his label.

  • abbysee

    Yes, let’s all dog-pile on Kris instead.

    I vote not, it’s much more fun to dog-pile on Adam, :)

  • girlygirl

    HDD was way off on John Mayer’s prediction, weren’t they? They predicted well above 300,000 for him, and he came in at 286,000. Were they off a lot on the otehrs as well?

  • unique28v

    Y’all know that I love numbers ‘” but I am not loving these numbers. A lot of wiki pages will need to be updated this week. Kris now holds 4 dubious Idol Winner’s records:

    Lowest selling winner’s single [NoBo]
    Lowest selling winner’s lead album single [LLWD – Taylor had no lead single]
    Lowest first week winner’s debute album sales [KA Album] ‘“ coming in below Jordin Sparks who sold 119,000 copies first week.
    Lowest Billboard 200 Album first week chart entry for an Idol winner at #11 ‘“ Jordin was #10

    Wow…. when you line them up like that it doesn’t read to good. I’m actually surprised Kris didn’t sell more. He’s been all over radio and tv promoting his single/album. Plus he had the Itunes pass. I didn’t think he would debut at #1, but I thought he would at least make the top 10.

    Yes, let’s all dog-pile on Kris instead.

    No one is piling up on Kris. The numbers speak for themselves. Its not the end of his career. Kris could end up selling millions but he’s off to a bad start.

  • girlygirl

    Kirsten

    Jive is going to be happy that LLWD’s sales have gone up dramatically the last few weeks. It’s probably going to make another big move up the Billboard chart this week. And it is a Top 20 hit on Hot AC and Top 40 on pop chart. So, given this fact — why wouldn’t they eagerly push his 2nd single? I don’t understand your reasoning. Jive seems focused as much on singles as on album sales, so I don’t think they are going to give up on Kris when he has a decent sized hit already.

  • Kirsten

    WOW, I didn’t go to the itunes ranking since yesterday and it was still in the 50’s the controversy and tv appearances clearly payed off if he’s in #28 now, so it should be reflected in next week sales.

    Can you still buy the single version of this song? It’s fallen down into the 200 level which would be consistent with it no longer being for sale. It’s quite a common practice for labels to pull the single to avoid splitting sales with the album track (which prevents either for ranking very high on iTunes, though the sales of both are combined).

    Some may remember me mentioning this last week (so, I’m not picking on Adam or accusing his label of anything).

  • unique28v

    HDD was way off on John Mayer’s prediction, weren’t they? They predicted well above 300,000 for him, and he came in at 286,000. Were they off a lot on the otehrs as well?

    I think they were the most off with him. Also, I don’t think 50 sold as much as they predicted either. He came in under Norah Jones.

  • Eileen99

    Thankfully, Kris will get to actually promote and sell his album instead of relying on Q3’s continual predictions of doom for him! Your prediction for Kris’ overall album sales, would this be based on the same information you used for your prediction of LLWD being “obviously” a flop after one week? Is it based on radio not playing Kris? LLWD is #19 on the HAC chart, and had the third highest adds in that format this week. Spins keep increasing on Top 40 format as well. If I were an unkind person, I might point out FYE is probably setting all kinds of records as well. But I won’t.

    First week’s album sales sucks balls, but radio has been very receptive to Kris, and I have no doubt they will continue to spin LLWD and future singles. This bodes well for the album having legs and continuing to sell week after week.

  • http://www.irish-wolfhounds.com Buderschnookie

    There might be a bit of drag on the numbers though because each ‘complete my album’  will result in a singles being returned.

    Funny that.
    For me and most of the other people at the board I hang out “complete my album” was dysfunctional and we got impatient and just bought the album from scratch rather than wait.

  • summerskin

    So, given this fact ‘” why wouldn’t they eagerly push his 2nd single? I don’t understand your reasoning. Jive seems focused as much on singles as on album sales, so I don’t think they are going to give up on Kris when he has a decent sized hit already.

    I have no idea, but it happened with David Archuleta. Crush was a hit, but his second single “A Little Too Not Over You” was barely promoted by Jive at all.

    So Kris’s second single being promoted as heavily as LLWD was is definitely not a guarantee.

  • gangreen29

    And can we now stop calling Taylor a ‘losser’  and deriding Jordin as someone ‘who can only sell singles’ ?

    How does Kris performing badly change any of that? Taylor’s career went up in a puff of smoke, and Jordin only sold 47,000 her first week for the Battlefield CD despite having a hit song.

    Did people just vote for him because he was ‘cute and safe’ ?

    You know this is something that people will never agree on, but I disagree with you that it is because he was “safe”. The safe choice would be the one the judges were cramming down everyone’s throats. I believe Kris was voted for by many as a statement against the pimping and judges manipulations.

  • leome

    Can you still buy the single version of this song? It’s fallen down into the 200 level which would be consistent with it no longer being for sale.

    No, I don’t think you can. When you click on the single it takes you to the album version. I think that’s another reason it’s going up. It’s not splitting sales.

  • baseballmom

    “I have no idea, but it happened with David Archuleta. Crush was a hit, but his second single ‘A Little Too Not Over You’  was barely promoted by Jive at all.”

    That’s exactly right, and David had a gold album by Christmas. He’s working on his 2nd pop album, so Jive was pleased enough, but there is no guarantee about a second single even if the first was one a hit, and Crush was a big hit and near 2x platinum.

  • Kirsten

    Jive is going to be happy that LLWD’s sales have gone up dramatically the last few weeks.

    Yes, but this is the week he released his album and he did lots of promo. It’s going to drop in next week’s report. The single is hanging in there, but it’s going to be a long slog. Remember, hit songs are selling in the 1.6M-4M range these days. Jordin’s first two singles sold over 2M.

    So, given this fact ‘” why wouldn’t they eagerly push his 2nd single?

    It costs money to push a single. Money for the promo team. Money for the video. Money for logistics. If the single is only going to sell a couple of hundred K and the album is only moving a few K a week, there just isn’t money to be made from that.

    And it’s unlikely that LLWD will ever be a massive hit on Pop. It’s only seeing a spincrease of about 100-150 a week in Pop. That’s not going to get you to top 10. You’ll go recurrent first. Shelf lives are short on Pop. He’s doing okay on HAC and there might be some hope there (though the slowdown in spincrease this week is ominous).

    I’m sorry. I wish the numbers were better, but they are not. If Jive decides to treat Kris like a new artist, they can probably work a long term strategy that might pay off. If they take the typical Sony “Idols are commercial artists and their best week is their first week” approach, then things look really bad. I love Kris as an artist and I thought he sounded current, but I’ve seen this picture far too many times before. Jordin was able to overcome her numbers, but most Idols do not. It’s not time to sit shiva, but the signs are nor promising. It all depends on what Jive decides to do. This isn’t an open and shut case like it is for some.

    The press will be merciless and so will some of the other Idol fans. We are just starting to see the fall-out.

  • FifthHouseSun

    Don’t think we’ll be able to put anyone’s numbers in perspective until the holiday season ends. And see how the industry as a whole fared in this economy. Singles vs. albums for all artists. And how many iTunes gift cards get redeemed. (40% of iTunes revenue is gift cards.)

    Things we do know for sure: Go on QVC. Susan Boyle did and, wowsa, if the Billboard prediction of over half mil albums holds up.

    We don’t know how many albums Adam will sell, though Billboard predictions are good. We do know FYE single sales complicated by a lot of RCA/Sony distribution decisions.

    Single wise, AO still gave FYE as a free download with album purchase. We don’t know how many thousands of core fans didn’t buy the single because of that, because they had it. Free and legal on their iPod. Other than detail geeks like me who dl’d all the versions to compare the quality, many hardcore fans thought 3 copies of FYE – none of which counted as a single sale – was enough (one instant dl from AO that didn’t count as a single sale, one on hard copy CE, and one on iTunes deluxe download, again didn’t count as a single.)

    And Amazon bascially giving the FYE album away while the AMA buzz happening could cut tens of thousands of sales out of Adam’s official count. No Amazon specials count. Official rules. And no one’s buying the single when they can get the album for either 99 cents or $3.99.

    As a Kris Allen fan, want him to soar. Buying his album for support. Wish the album was as compelling, for me, as he is live. YMMV

  • lucy

    I was all ready to un-pat myself for getting my prediction wrong when HDD said 85K, but it looks like my prediction of 60-80K isn’t wrong. A bit sad about it actually because I did hope that Kris would do better than that.

    So now that makes three recent Idol predictions that were all a bit high — Cook’s and Archuleta’s, and now Kris’s. … (Is that true? … and, if not, then never mind!)

    Anyway, if it is true, I wonder what’s up with that? … Looks like there might be some repeated glitch in the way they try to estimate Idol sales — Or was it just the case that they over-estimated lots of people’s sales in those weeks by about the same margin??

    If it is only the Idols, then I would be surprised if they’re not over-estimating the Adam prediction by a bit, too. By the same bit, basically, whatever that is. ….

  • koshka

    I have to admit that I AM a bit disappointed in Kris’s numbers. They really should have been higher… but that said, from the beginning we need to look at this over the long haul. Kris may end up doing well selling singles like Jordin. Isn’t that what many of us thought as a strong possibility signing onto Jive? The album doesn’t hit my sweet spot, but from all accounts it sounds as though it is found to be radio friendly. LLWD was a poor choice from the start (cover-gate), but something tells me Kris has some gems in that album of his.

  • Q3

    Yes, let’s all dog-pile on Kris instead.

    Actually, I am truly puzzled by the numbers and would really like someone to put forward a better theory of what is going than the “harmless puppy” theory that some reporters are using. What is actually going on?

    I did not have high expectations for LLWD — it is not a great single for the current market — that was about the song choice. But why no sales forKA album? It has a ton of radio support, lots of ads. And it is not selling like a winner’s album.

    Q3: Sales period ended at 11:59PM Sunday 11/22/09 ‘” so these are pre-AMA sales.

    Kirsten: Well not entirely. The AMAs were over around 11 pm on Sunday so there are a few AMAs sales in there.

    BTW Have we ever figured out if that is West or East coast time? I kind of suspect it is West coast (but I have no proof).

    I guess this is a joke, but I am not sure. SoundScan is every sale in the first place — only about 90% of sales. So thie idea of one hour is not relevant.

    In any case, FYE is headed up the charts steadily so we’ll see how this shakes out.

  • girlygirl

    Kris still has a ton of promotion lined up. He’s doing something like a dozen of those Jingle Ball concerts, and that might help increase his exposure, considering the other acts he will be appearing with at these.

    Considering so many prematurely wrote off LLWD as a flop, I’m not going to give up on Kris anytime soon. So far, he appears to simply be one of those musicians who grows on listeners, rather than one who is a big success right from the start.

    Let’s see where his numbers stand in February, when he is supposed to go on tour. If they are still bad then, he could be in trouble.

  • LaurelG

    Kris’ numbers don’t change the fact that he’s more marketable than Taylor

    I would definitely agree with this. What I’m wondering is, how well will Kris’s own material do on the charts? To me, that’s the real predictor of his longevity in the industry. LLWD is not a true test of that because although he sings it well, it’s not really the type of song he would write for himself. I hope the next single released is a Kris-written song, but my gut tells me it won’t be. My best guess would be The Truth.

    If next week’s drop is historically 60%, unfortunately Kris has dug himself a fairly big hole. Even though it’s the Xmas buying season, there’s a hella lot of competition for those holiday dollars.

  • koshka

    Let’s see where his numbers stand in February, when he is supposed to go on tour. If they are still bad then, he could be in trouble.

    Sounds like the AMA argument for Adam…. just wait until after the AMAs and we’ll see. Got a lot of jeering from that.

  • leome

    Kris still has a ton of promotion lined up. He’s doing something like a dozen of those Jingle Ball concerts, and that might help increase his exposure, considering the other acts he will be appearing with at these.

    Those jingle balls are good to play to new fans and to get airplay for the song in those radio stations, but I’m not sure they bring much exposure. The z100 one will have a bit more eyes on it, but I don’t think it changes much. Archie did a lot of those with really bigs acts and it didn’t help his single.

  • lucy

    Wow’ ¦. when you line them up like that it doesn’t read to good. I’m actually surprised Kris didn’t sell more. He’s been all over radio and tv promoting his single/album.

    Well, the thing is, the radio promotions seem to me to be there mostly for the sake of encouraging *radio* to play the person, not so much to convert new fans as to give the radio station something fun to offer to pre-existing fans so the station will be grateful and look more kindly on your song (!), seems to me.

    What is more likely to drive sales is people hearing the *songs* over and over again. And it seems to me that effect is definitely visible as LLWD has picked up air play.

    Even then, though, I think with most songs by relatively unknown artists, you have to hear them a certain number of times before you head out and buy them — and especially before you head out and buy the album. If his radio play remains pretty good, then he should see that help his sales, I think….

    Honestly, I think Kris is likely to be more of an album person than a singles person. Jordin sells those singles to the teeny-tweeny-bopper set, largely, I would guess, and that’s a buy-singles crowd, whereas I think Kris’s music is more appealing to fans of various ages, since it’s more soft-rock-poppy. I’m sure he has some 14-year-old girl fans. But I’m thinking slightly older (older than 14, I mean — before anybody accuses me of saying that Kris’s fans are elderly!) people make up more of his fan base and many of those are more likely to buy the album, I would think, because they’re more likely attracted to Kris’s overall musical vibe and not the earworm of a single song…. With Jordin, I don’t know that she has developed all that much of an individual musical vibe yet, which I think may partly account for her being the singles queen.

  • Diane

    unique28v, I posted this earlier.

    50 Cent will notch the lowest chart debut of his career next week when his long-delayed Before I Self Destruct lands at #5 on soft sales of 160,000. After his first two albums hit #1, selling 872,000 ‘ ¦ and 1.15 million’ ¦, and 2007’s Curtis sold 691,000 following an infamous chart battle with Kanye West, this fifth-place finish is a major comedown.

  • lucy

    If next week’s drop is historically 60%, unfortunately Kris has dug himself a fairly big hole. Even though it’s the Xmas buying season, there’s a hella lot of competition for those holiday dollars.

    What usually happens to the drop for people who release their albums the week *before* Black Friday?

    I would think that they would see less of a drop in sales than in other weeks(i.e., a 40 percent drop instead of a 60 or something, at least?) because their second week contains the Black Friday boost — I mean, when you go shopping on Black Friday, you aren’t going to buy *only* the albums that were released that week, are you?

    I would think that the albums released in the past couple of weeks would stand a good chance to get a Black Friday boost as well …. Anybody know if that’s true or not? Kirsten?

  • auntieaimee

    And Amazon bascially giving the FYE album away while the AMA buzz happening could cut tens of thousands of sales out of Adam’s official count. No Amazon specials count. Official rules.

    FifthHouseSun, those sales do count. According to this link posted on another thread, that rule would not apply to digital sales.

    http://ca.nielsen.com/etc/content/nielsen_dotcom/en_ca/home/industries/entertainment_practice.mbt.77438.RelatedLinks.0542.MediaPath.pdf

  • Kirsten

    I would think that the albums released in the past couple of weeks would stand a good chance to get a Black Friday boost as well ‘ ¦. Anybody know if that’s true or not? Kirsten?

    Normally, they should. You see drops of around 40% for the people that released the week before Black Friday (instead of the nomral 60-70%).

    I’m too traumatized by the numbers to even hope for that at this point. Sigh.

  • tinawina

    Let’s see where his numbers stand in February, when he is supposed to go on tour. If they are still bad then, he could be in trouble.

    Well, the problem here is, he may not still be on the charts in February. Immediately after Christmas record sales plunge. Its something like -60% the first week of January, I think… and they keep plunging through the month of January. February they usually start inching up again.

    If Kris is starting this low now, By the time the plunge gets going, he may end up off the BB200 chart all together. And once that happens it is unlikely that Jive will keep releasing singles.

    Now, his album sales will probably go down somewhat this week, decrease with the rest of the chart next week in the post-Black Friday deflation, then start going back up again and hit a high the week before Christmas. Still, that highest selling week might not see 100K. It is easy to see a scenario where Kris is down to under 4K a week by the end of January.

    Hopefully, his single catches on in January to the degree it can push some album sales, but I don’t know if it will be enough since these days, for a new act with little hype you really need to be on single 2 or 3 before your album sales see a big benefit.

    I really like Kris, but I am concerned for him right now. I want him to get another record. So I’m crossing my fingers for a really good Christmas season and a single that peaks pretty high in January/February.

  • Kirsten

    I guess this is a joke, but I am not sure. SoundScan is every sale in the first place ‘” only about 90% of sales. So thie idea of one hour is not relevant.

    It’s not a joke. I’m just pedantic.

    Actually, I am truly puzzled by the numbers and would really like someone to put forward a better theory of what is going than the ‘harmless puppy’  theory that some reporters are using. What is actually going on?

    There have been lots of theories put forth in the previous numbers threads explaining about first week sales indicating the size of existing fan bases. People have been predicting numbers in this range and lower for weeks.

  • Mila

    http://www.hitsdailydouble.com/news/newsPage.cgi?news07851m01

    HDD confirms 210-230 k for Adam, great!

  • Tess

    Kris is Kris…a journeyman musician with a relatively good voice that will play well to smaller venues. He will never be another John Mayer….his guitar playing is adequate and his piano skills less so. Based on what I heard from him on the album I don’t think his songwriting skills are on the same level, by any means, of most of the singer/songwriters of today.

    Without the title of American Idol in front or behind his name Kris wouldn’t even have cracked the charts at all. He is a product of American Idol and since the market is totally over-saturated with AI products Kris is the one that is going to take the hit. Even during his time on Idol he never seemed to develop that OTT fanbase that the Davids had, or Daughtry.

    I’ll be fair and say that the economy is partially to blame, but I also think that Kris’ low key persona isn’t exactly what the industry needs right now. People need to escape from their real lives and Kris just doesn’t seem to have the personality to reel people in and make them forget their daily struggles. Hopefully, ’cause I really like the guy, he can continue to make music, tour in smaller venues, and evolve into a better songwriter (where the money really is). He will never be a chart topper, IMHO, or will he sell a gazillion singles or albums.

    He is just average and the music industry needs more than that right now.

  • kt_cle

    Posting something here that I just put on TWoP:

    For what it’s worth, I tweeted Jim C. for his take on the CD sales numbers. Regardless of whether he’s an ‘expert’, he certainly knows more about these things than I do, so I was interested in his take.

    My tweet:

    @jambajim you know more about these things than I do – should Kris fans be angsting over 1st week album sales? Msg boards are dangerous

    Jim’s response (over the course of a few DMs)

    Don’t stress. Kris will be fine. His CD will have legs. His single’s doing well. People like him. His cd got great reviews…
    and as soon as he starts touring, he’ll be golden. If he gets to open for a big artist, he’ll win over more fans.
    His live shows are irresistable. Sucks that the # was low but it’s FAR from over. Just breathe! :)

  • frogcooke

    http://www.hitsdailydouble.com/news/newsPage.cgi?news07851m01

    HDD confirms 210-230 k for Adam, great!

    thats their prediction. and even then it could be off when the final sales come in.

  • tinawina

    HDD confirms 210-230 k for Adam, great!

    Wait, who looks good in the pool? jpfan, did you come close? Congrats!

    Lets see where he is Friday after all the HDD adjustments. I say we chop 5-10% off the Friday prediction and declare a album prediction soothsayer! LOL

  • dhunken

    girlygirl
    11/25/2009 at 1:15 pm

    Those 1st week sales for Kris’ album are discouraging, but perhaps it will pick up momentum as the weeks go along ‘” which is what has happened with LLWD the last few weeks.

    Let’s focus on the positive ‘” look at the HUGE jump in sales for Kris’ single this week. This is the 3rd straight week Kris has seen a big jump in sales for LLWD.

    I think it will pick up momentum…..Kris will be steady and consistent…I still have huge faith he will do just fine in the long run…

  • ozarka

    That’s right, folks, the team of Barnett and Boyle, as in Columbia’s fearless leader Steve, will be #1 next week with a total that right now appears more than 600k and, dare we say it, could go even higher.

    That’s based on one-day sales reports from delirious retailers high on Boyle’s version of ‘Daydream Believer.’ 

    The controversial gender-bending Idol runner-up Adam Lambert proves to be the real people’s choice’”at least those who prefer their music a cross between Freddie Mercury and Anthony Newley’”with a first-week total in the 210-230k range for his 19/RCA/RMG bow, For Your Entertainment, unfortunately, not named after the retail chain.

    Wow!! HDD is predicting a #2 debut for Adam as well.

  • dhunken

    BTW FYE single now is #27 on Itunes chart….Keeps going up. I think though a lot of people are buying the single from the Album and if the convert that to complete album on Itunes he will eventually lose that single sale. (I’m ok with that though if it increases Album sales)

  • Jx223

    http://www.hitsdailydouble.com/news/newsPage.cgi?news07851m01

    HDD confirms 210-230 k for Adam, great

    I think that’s a pretty good first week for Adam’s album. And wow at
    Susan Boyle selling possibly selling over 600,000 albums next week.

  • dhunken

    frogcooke
    11/25/2009 at 2:11 pm

    http://www.hitsdailydouble.com/news/newsPage.cgi?news07851m01

    HDD confirms 210-230 k for Adam, great!

    thats their prediction. and even then it could be off when the final sales come in.

    Very true and again I am going with the notion that they could be off as much as they were with Archie last year….but that still puts Adam in the 160-180 range Which is not bad either!!!!! But I think it will be about 215K

  • MalwareDie

    If the numbers for the Billboard 200 leak, I will post numbers for Carnival Ride, and possibly Some Hearts as well because catalog titles can now chart on the BB200.

  • spring2009

    http://www.hitsdailydouble.com/news/newsPage.cgi?news07851m01

    HDD confirms 210-230 k for Adam, great!

    ROTFLMAO.

  • http://kristentheyellowlab.blogspot.com/ Zsus

    The press will be merciless and so will some of the other Idol fans. We are just starting to see the fall-out.

    This is true. But, I believe most fans of other Idols liked Kris as their second favorite and hoped (hope?) for the best for him. Heck, I bought his album the day it came out even though his style of music isn’t my type.

    I still don’t understand it. I just feel his numbers don’t make sense. I suppose I’m in denial. Is it possible they have NOT counted the iTunes pass sales?

  • baseballmom

    Wow!! HDD is predicting a #2 debut for Adam as well.

    Actually, I believe Bocelli will outsell Adam next week which would leave him at #3……still good

  • Mila

    thats their prediction. and even then it could be off when the final sales come in.

    Confirms the prediction, obviously. They dont have a cristal ball. Didnt think it was necessary to include this disclaimer.

    Even if its very off like it was with Archie I think its a great number for Adam. Very hapy for him!

  • cookcricket

    Let’s focus on the positive ‘” look at the HUGE jump in sales for Kris’ single this week. This is the 3rd straight week Kris has seen a big jump in sales for LLWD.

    I want to focus on the positive, but not everyone does.

    Actually, I am truly puzzled by the numbers and would really like someone to put forward a better theory of what is going than the ‘harmless puppy’  theory that some reporters are using. What is actually going on?

    Hi, I want to mention a word that started early on the show and has continued since: HYPE!!!! (or lack thereof, as the case may be). Yes, this is a mileage thing, but no one will ever be able to convince me otherwise. TPTB have power (the ones on the show are probably quite disappointed they slipped up somehow there at the end.) So does the media.

    So having said all of that, seeing how Kris slipped by them on the show, I’m not quite ready to count him out.

  • Diane

    kt_cle
    Jim’s response (over the course of a few DMs)

    Don’t stress. Kris will be fine. His CD will have legs. His single’s doing well. People like him. His cd got great reviews’ ¦
    and as soon as he starts touring, he’ll be golden. If he gets to open for a big artist, he’ll win over more fans.
    His live shows are irresistable. Sucks that the # was low but it’s FAR from over. Just breathe!

    I love Jim Cantiello!!! Thanks kt_cle! And as for his take on it, does anyone really think Jim or Slezak would give Kris so much attention if he were gonna be a Taylor (poor Taylor…I really like the guy)? Seriously? No, I’ll say it again. I think Kris is gonna be just fine!! If he’s not worried, why should his fans be?

  • girlygirl

    If it’s off like like HDD for John Mayer, then Adam won’t hit the 200K mark. But even so, it looks like he’s going to have a very strong first week. Good for him.

  • summerskin

    Actually, I believe Bocelli will outsell Adam next week which would leave him at #3′ ¦’ ¦still good

    I think so too. People will be shopping for Christmas CDs on Black Friday I’m sure, and Bocelli was already selling around 200k last week.

    I’m really glad Billboard is saying Adam is “outperforming sales expectations” though, along with Susan Boyle. I wonder what those initial expectations were.

  • sunnysider

    He is just average and the music industry needs more than that right now.

    I disagree completely. Beyond the fact that I love Kris’ album, two of the top sellers from this week were John Mayer and Norah Jones. Kris could absolutely appeal to that crowd looking for adult, laid- back music (though I think Kris has more fire in the veins than both those 2 combined). As long as he can get his music out there, I think his potential to sell is huge. He can pull in younger listeners too.

    The real question is will enough people ever hear his music to give him a chance? The media ignores him. LLWD could gain him sales, but I’ve always only seen it being a modest hit. It’s good, but doesn’t have the same spark as any of the songs he co-wrote.

  • Jx223

    I think that even if HDD’s numbers are off, unless they are off by a lot, that Adam will sell either over 200,000 albums or pretty close to that.

  • frogcooke

    Actually, I believe Bocelli will outsell Adam next week which would leave him at #3′ ¦’ ¦still good

    I think he will too. I think he and subo are going to pick up the biggest casual buyer gain on fridays sales. Its official christmas shopping season and he’s got the ‘it’ holiday cd this season.

  • Diane

    Ooohhh!! Slezak just put up an article about Kris’s sales!

    http://music-mix.ew.com/2009/11/25/kris-allen-first-week-sales/

  • FifthHouseSun

    ETA: Deleted because HDD Numbers already up. Early and often

  • tinawina

    I think that even if HDD’s numbers are off, unless they are off by a lot, that Adam will sell either over 200,000 albums or pretty close to that.

    Yeah probably. I don’t think he’s going to be less than 180K. Either way HDD likes to change their prediction a lot until Friday, so that’s the one to work off, not this one.

    It’s good, but doesn’t have the same spark as any of the songs he co-wrote.

    I agree with this. I think Kris is good and can certainly fit into his market, but I don’t know if LLWD has the kick needed. But I understand why they picked it because to me, it’s one of the most pop friendly songs on the CD.

  • kt_cle

    Nice quote from Jive in that article. Unfortunately, the way Slezak ended it asking for comments just opens the floodgates of negativity. If you are a Kris fan trying to maintain a positive outlook, I recommend that you avoid the comments section.

  • leome

    I think Kris could do a mini headliner tour (maybe college tour) and open for a big artist. But opening won’t really sell many albums. He’ll need a big radio hit to do that.

    The prediction for Rihanna is higher than I though.

  • MusicAlltheTime

    So, when Idols get dropped by their label, do they just disappear, or do they find a way to keep making music, putting out albums and touring?

    What I’m hearing sounds pretty bad for Kris, but would being dropped really be “the end” or just a major setback?

  • Diane

    kt_cle, I almost always ignore the comments section! :lol:

  • leome

    Btw, I’m not gonna lie, but I wish other people would show interest in Kris other than Jim and Slezak. I love both guys and I love their work, but it would be nice to read perspectives of people outside of the bubble. Jim and Slezak are idol fans first.

    Having said this, that’s a good EW article, I like to read something by a Jive spokesperson, even if it’s their job to say they’re happy, lol. It confirms that Jive does see Kris as an HAC artist.

  • girlygirl

    The cynics will say this is just Jive trying to put a positive spin on things, but this is the quote from a label spokesman that is in Slezak’s article.

    …A Jive Records spokesperson, however, says the label isn’t panicking, pointing to the fact that Kris’ lead single, ‘Live Like We’re Dying,’  reentered the Billboard Hot 100 this week at No. 70, and that the singer’s target audience (the Hot AC radio format) is one where slow-and-steady progress is often the norm. In fact, she says, fellow Idol acts such as Daughtry and David Cook have proven that first-week sales are only part of the equation for pop-rock product. ‘We 150 percent believe in the Kris Allen record,’  she said. ‘And the indicators of radio growth and digital single sales prove we’re correct.’ 

  • Diane

    MusicAlltheTime
    11/25/2009 at 2:33 pm
    So, when Idols get dropped by their label, do they just disappear, or do they find a way to keep making music, putting out albums and touring?

    What I’m hearing sounds pretty bad for Kris, but would being dropped really be ‘the end’  or just a major setback?

    No worries, Kris will be around. “Slow and easy, that’s my style…”

  • Jx223

    So, when Idols get dropped by their label, do they just disappear, or do they find a way to keep making music, putting out albums and touring?

    What I’m hearing sounds pretty bad for Kris, but would being dropped really be ‘the end’  or just a major setback

    Some idols (including winners and runner ups) still put out albums and do shows after they get dropped. I think that Kris could do those things if he gets dropped. He probably won’t be rich if he ends up getting dropped, but he could still make a living for himself and put out another album and perform at different venues.

  • Diane

    Jim and Slezak are idol fans first.

    True, but they’re basically not pushing anyone besides Kradison. They believe in Kradison. Long live Kradison!

  • tinawina

    Actually the Jive quote makes me feel a whole lot better. If they do see HAC as his core format (YES!!!) then they know what to expect, and they may have more patience with the scenario. Whew.

  • Diane

    girlygirl
    The cynics will say this is just Jive trying to put a positive spin on things, but this is the quote from a label spokesman that is in Slezak’s article.

    ‘ ¦A Jive Records spokesperson, however, says the label isn’t panicking, pointing to the fact that Kris’ lead single, ‘Live Like We’re Dying,’  reentered the Billboard Hot 100 this week at No. 70, and that the singer’s target audience (the Hot AC radio format) is one where slow-and-steady progress is often the norm. In fact, she says, fellow Idol acts such as Daughtry and David Cook have proven that first-week sales are only part of the equation for pop-rock product. ‘We 150 percent believe in the Kris Allen record,’  she said. ‘And the indicators of radio growth and digital single sales prove we’re correct.’ 

    The cynics may speak, but it is what it is. Happy, happy!

  • Hazehel

    So now that makes three recent Idol predictions that were all a bit high ‘” Cook’s and Archuleta’s, and now Kris’s. ‘ ¦ (Is that true? ‘ ¦ and, if not, then never mind!)

    These are the sequence of predictions and actual numbers –

    David Archuleta -
    Wednesday (based on 1 day sales) – 225-240k
    Friday (based on 3 days sales) – 200-210k
    Tuesday (based on 7 days sales) – 180,460

    Actual – 183,124

    David Cook
    Wednesday – 300k
    Friday – 280-300k
    Tuesday – 283,446

    Actual – 279,812

    As you can see, the first predictions aren’t very accurate, but improve somewhat with the second predictions on Friday. This suggests that HDD may not be good when dealing with heavily front-loaded sales (and Archie’s most likely was), and sales tend to over-estimated. However I’m not really sure why their final numbers on Tuesday may be off by up to 5K, there doesn’t appear to be a pattern.

  • Tess

    The real question is will enough people ever hear his music to give him a chance?

    Isn’t this the same question that is asked about every recording artist. Yup, you have to hear his music to buy it. Well, Kris is doing everything that he possibly can to get his music heard…and it doesn’t seem to be enough. And I don’t think that there is any kind of conspiracy to stop his music from being out there……he has a video, he has a single, he is getting radio play and he will be doing some Christmas Jingle Ball stuff. That is a lot.

    And yes, we will have to wait and see over the long haul. Man, I’d hate to be starting a music career right now….times are tough!!

  • spring2009

    “So how come he’s not neck-and-neck with John Mayer”

    Above quote from Slezak’s article. This is one of the many reasons why I can never take anything he says seriously. Give your head a shake man!

  • dhunken

    tinawina
    11/25/2009 at 2:42 pm

    Actually the Jive quote makes me feel a whole lot better. If they do see HAC as his core format (YES!!!) then they know what to expect, and they may have more patience with the scenario. Whew.

    I agree with them….Kris is not going to be dropped…and I have all the patience for him too….I do agree however, Kris could be a little more upbeat.(maybe not the right word) energetic!…He sometimes is too laid back. I think he could benefit from taking pointers from Cook and Daultry, as their personalities are closer to Kris’s but with edge. He could use some fire behind his demeanor. Laid back is cool and it is Kris but sometimes the “I really don’t care if I sell records” vibe come across and maybe off putting. The way he seemed in the LLWD video would work!

  • snlw

    Q3 “I did not have high expectations for LLWD ‘” it is not a great single for the current market ‘” that was about the song choice. But why no sales forKA album? It has a ton of radio support, lots of ads. And it is not selling like a winner’s album.”

    Ton of radio support, yes but it’s for LLWD and not the album. Since you said LLWD is not a great single, how is ton of radio support for LLWD gonna help Kris’ album sale???

  • Diane

    dhunken
    I agree with them’ ¦.Kris is not going to be dropped’ ¦and I have all the patience for him too’ ¦.I do agree however, Kris could be a little more upbeat.(maybe not the right word) energetic!’ ¦He sometimes is too laid back. I think he could benefit from taking with Cook and Daultry as their personalities are closer to Kris’s but with edge. He could use some fire. Laid back is cool and it is Kris but sometimes the ‘I really don’t care if I sell records’  vibe come across and maybe off putting. The way he seemed in the LLWD video would work!

    As much as I love Kris, I have to agree with most of what you say. Get with it, Kris!!! And, bless his heart, he’s gotta learn how to sell himself.

  • cookcricket

    Here’s another hope I’m hanging onto with Kris. He is not the typical AI winner. All other past AI winners have had ‘big’ voices. And I believe the majority of the AI audience lurve their big voices. IMO, if someone doesn’t have a big voice, it doesn’t mean they’re not good or even great.

    However, as Kris is heard more and more outside of the AI bubble, I believe his fan base will grow.

  • cookcricket

    ‘So how come he’s not neck-and-neck with John Mayer’ 

    Above quote from Slezak’s article. This is one of the many reasons why I can never take anything he says seriously. Give your head a shake man!

    IKR! Man, JM is a known artist and Kris isn’t. Give him time Slezak!!

  • Diane

    cookcricket
    11/25/2009 at 3:06 pm
    ‘So how come he’s not neck-and-neck with John Mayer’ 

    Above quote from Slezak’s article. This is one of the many reasons why I can never take anything he says seriously. Give your head a shake man!

    IKR! Man, JM is a known artist and Kris isn’t. Give him time Slezak!!

    Jim may have been being facetious. Or maybe he thinks Kris is that good…as do a lot of his fans. *blushing*

    Also, cookcricket, I don’t believe John Mayer has a “big” voice, and who was #1 last week? :wink:

  • weareallinnocent

    I believe Kris was voted for by many as a statement against the pimping and judges manipulations.

    I know you mean well, but imo, no “vote against” something (as opposed to a vote FOR KRIS) is a good thing, no matter what that something may be. It just isn’t.

    I’m happy to hear the Jive quote too. But the credibility just isn’t actually there for me, when she implies that Cook’s first week’s sales were somehow way low and that proved not to be the real picture. (Maybe Daughtry too, but I don’t know his numbers.) Nearly 280K and debut at #3 ain’t nothing to scoff at, nor are they in ANY WAY comparable to Kris’ numbers this week. Mileage…

  • lucy

    Ton of radio support, yes but it’s for LLWD and not the album. Since you said LLWD is not a great single, how is ton of radio support for LLWD gonna help Kris’ album sale???

    Well, going back to my usual reference point of Elliott. He started off selling just like Kris, a bit over 90,000 in his first week. And then he had a song that gradually gained traction on the radio. The song started selling as a single — but the album sales also began to take off, and he passed gold in pretty short order, given where he started. …

    So, yeah, the radio success of a single *can* drive album sales, in addition to single sales. …

    My uninformed guess is that maybe that varies artist by artist. Kris — like Elliott, to me — has an individual musical vibe and persona that people may find out permeates *all* his songs, in which case they may well pick up the album rather than just the single, *if* they start hearing the single and liking it.

    I know that the usual case cited is Jordin — whose single sales haven’t done that much for her albums sales. But I think she’s rather a different kind of artist, one who, at this point, hasn’t really developed her own quirky, particular artist persona that one would expect to permeate all her songs. So in her case, I’m thinking that may account for her singles succeeding way better than the album …. But not everybody’s sales profile is the same, and I’m betting Kris’s is more like Elliott’s than like Jordin’s. Only time will tell, though, of course

  • cookcricket

    I think he’s that good too Diane, or at least well on his way to being so, lol, that’s why I made the comment I did. ;)

  • Diane

    I’m happy to hear the Jive quote too. But the credibility just isn’t actually there for me, when she implies that Cook’s first week’s sales were somehow way low and that proved not to be the real picture. (Maybe Daughtry too, but I don’t know his numbers.) Nearly 280K and debut at #3 ain’t nothing to scoff at, nor are they in ANY WAY comparable to Kris’ numbers this week. Mileage’ ¦

    weareallinnocent, Quoting Jive, “Fellow Idol acts such as Daughtry and David Cook have proven that first-week sales are only part of the equation for pop-rock product.” Obviously she means Cook’s sales are now even better than his first week sales. What’s wrong with that?

  • Mark

    ‘Fellow Idol acts such as Daughtry and David Cook have proven that first-week sales are only part of the equation for pop-rock product.’  Obviously she means Cook’s sales are now even better than his first week sales. What’s wrong with that?

    Right. Cook’s sales, long-term, were much stronger than I think he gets credit for outside the bubble. His first week sales? Not really. Not weak, but not as comparatively strong, especially if you tossed them up unqualified with some of the other numbers and did a straight comparison. He really killed in the marathon, instead.

  • weareallinnocent

    weareallinnocent, Quoting Jive, ‘Fellow Idol acts such as Daughtry and David Cook have proven that first-week sales are only part of the equation for pop-rock product.’  Obviously she means Cook’s sales are now even better than his first week sales. What’s wrong with that?

    In the context, for me, the example of the point she’s trying to make is faulty — not the point itself. In other words, using as an example a guy whose opening week sales amount to 3 1/2 times those of the guy you’re defending doesn’t really help. (Unless you’re also happy with projecting that he’ll top out at about 400K in album sales, which would be about the equivalent comparative point for total album sales.)

    Again, the point she makes is a worthy (and true) one, and I’m glad Jive is standing by him. But, for me, Cook is not a great example for her purpose.

    I’m being hypertechnical, I know. It’s just the impression I had when I read what she said. (And now I’m attempting to explain that impression.)

  • snlw

    lucy, I do believe single’s sale will help album but since LLWD is only a moderate hit, Kris needs another single from his album with bigger hit potential and he has many to choose from his album. So many better songs in his album and yet they chose one (LLWD) that he had no co-write credit and was a cover! I think the mistake they made is choosing LLWD as the first single and so I sure hope Jive doesn’t drop Kris for their own big mistake. Either way, I still strongly believe Kris will have a second album, just with or without Jive/19M.

  • dhunken

    Just so everyone can breath a sigh of relief Adam’s FYE digital Download is now $10.99 on Amazon. com (He is still #1 which I suspect will not last that long as their are other popular albums much lower. Rhianna is now $7.99)

  • Diane

    snlw, I vote for BEFORE WE COME UNDONE!

  • MalwareDie

    From USA Today:

    Carrie Underwood, Carnival Ride (4,000, -17 percent, 2.997 million)
    Carrie Underwood, Some Hearts (4,000, -7 percent, 6.867 million)

    My estimations based on the percent changes:
    Carnival Ride Estimation: 4,144-4193 Total: 2,997,095-2,997,144
    Some Hearts Estimation: 3,741-3,781 Total: 6,866,561-6,866,601

  • leome

    I think what she’s saying is that both Cook and Daughtry were both able to keep selling after their first week. She’s not saying they had weak first weeks, but that their total sales are not just the first week and they kept growing from there.
    I don’t see any problem with what the Jive person is saying.

  • Mark

    I think what she’s saying is that both Cook and Daughtry were both able to keep selling after their first week. She’s not saying they had weak first weeks, but that their total sales are not just the first week and they kept growing from there.
    I don’t see any problem with what the Jive person is saying.

    I do get the point that’s being made, though. Cook does seem like a comparatively bad example, as he had a strong first week and then it continued to hold on; the implication works that his first week wasn’t that strong. In a very particular sense, it wasn’t (in that by comparative rate, his marathon push was better than his starting sprint), but the comparison does seem a tad sloppy regardless.

  • FolkFan

    Yup. The claim that Amazon discounted digital albums do not count is a myth. Not only does that Soundscan memo make clear that the 50% discount rule only applies to physical albums, and not to digital downloads (album or singles), but HDD has referenced the Amazon MP3 sale of the week on more than one in occasion in discussion the strong sales of a particular artist. I remember two times: Lily Allen and U2. And someone else on DCO asked about this today, citing two other times: Third Eye Blind and Tori Amos. As HDD relies on Soundscan data, why would HDD count that?

    And why would an artist who could sell otherwise sacrifice sales that count toward their totals for this deal? Taylor Swift was the Amazon MP3 album of the week when she debuted. She sold 700K, and definitely did not need to be sold at (as I recall it) $1.99 to get volume. Having those big sales numbers is helpful to an artist, for getting headlines, for earning platinum, for being eligible for the AMAs, etc. I could get it if this was consistently for, say, indie artists or some such. But nope: the discounted Amazon MP3 sales count, but given that Amazon frequently gives the discount to big sellers, too, nope. FYE’s numbers will include the discounted MP3s.

    As to the Jive spokesperson’s statement: Eh, she meant it as a compliment. I’ll take it.

  • Mtlfan

    He is not the typical AI winner. All other past AI winners have had ‘big’ voices. And I believe the majority of the AI audience lurve their big voices. IMO, if someone doesn’t have a big voice, it doesn’t mean they’re not good or even great.

    However, as Kris is heard more and more outside of the AI bubble, I believe his fan base will grow.

    This.
    Jives is backing him 150% and they based their certainty on all the market indicators. It made me less worry.
    One thing for sure is that Kris will have to work his butt off. He will and I have a lot of confidence in him

  • lucy

    lucy, I do believe single’s sale will help album but since LLWD is only a moderate hit, Kris needs another single from his album with bigger hit potential and he has many to choose from his album.

    Well, I don’t know. I wouldn’t necessarily count LLWD out yet. Maybe it’s peaked or come close to it, but some very successful songs take a *long* time to build. … I’m hoping that LLWD is one of those, really. I think it could be. But who knows, of course?

  • Daniel B

    ‘Fellow Idol acts such as Daughtry and David Cook have proven that first-week sales are only part of the equation for pop-rock product.’ 

    Many have pointed out that Cook’s first week sales were 280k, but I didn’t seen any mention of Daughtry which was over 300k in his first week (I’m remember it as being 309k but I could be remember ing wrong, but I know it was just over 300k).

    Neither of those numbers invalidates the argument made, which is that in both examples the albums in question were able to continue selling slow and steady for a long, long time, and that is what Kris needs to aim for. First week sales and built in fanbases are one thing, and maybe outside of Kris’s control. But what he can control, and what he should emulate from the example of both Cook and Daughtry, is his work ethic. Get out there and keep on keeping on, because being willing to be a hard worker has served both of those two previous rockers well.

  • koshka

    The Jive quote…. *head shaking* well what exactly do you think they would say? Of course they are going to spin it in the best light. Last thing they need to do is show any doubt in Kris’s ability to sell. They could say they are grooming him up until the day before they drop him – any label, including RCA will do this.

    Now with that said… even IF he was to wash out, they probably won’t drop him for a year. AI is already on thin ice & I don’t think they will drop him like a hot potato, 19 would be up in arms.

  • jpfan

    Sadly, just as I predicted Kris will have the lowest openng week of any winner. Who didn’t see that coming. However, using my magic 8 ball, I do not predict a quick demise for Kris.There’s alot of potential there for Jive (plus they haven’t spent on fortune on his album or promo). It won’t be a Blake Lewis scenario where they drop him in the spring. Too much good radio response for that.

    And I went with 180-200K for Adam. It looks like he’ll be at the higher end if the HDD predictions hold up. Actually if it wasn’t for the crap sales of his early singles, I would have gone with 230-260K based purely on his promo. Oh well, I still think I got closer than most here.
    Where’s my prize? :)

  • SpenserJ

    Neither of those numbers invalidates the argument made, which is that in both examples the albums in question were able to continue selling slow and steady for a long, long time, and that is what Kris needs to aim for.

    Well, except for the fact that there was nothing “slow” about the Daughtry sales at all. They were steady, but those sales were pretty consistently fast. I recall at some point, he went below and then back up above the six figure mark pretty late in the game due to his ridiculously good radio play. So, outside of the similar first week sales, there’s really nothing about the rest of the trajectory of Daughtry and Cook’s overall sales that’s comparable to me at all.

    And, they both had more than 3 times Kris’s opening numbers. So, I have no idea where this woman is coming from with this comparative grouping at all.

    Not to say that I don’t agree with her conclusions though – that Kris’s CD could very well turn out to have legs. This isn’t the end of the story. While it may not seem so promising, it’s certainly not time to write Kris off at all.

    Yes jpfan. You were damn close on both fronts. I’ll happily conjure up some kind of imaginary prize for you :)

  • Hazehel

    From USA Today:

    Carrie Underwood, Carnival Ride (4,000, -17 percent, 2.997 million)
    Carrie Underwood, Some Hearts (4,000, -7 percent, 6.867 million)

    Thanks. So these are the updated numbers –

    Kelly Clarkson –
    Thankful ‘“ 2,730K
    Breakaway ‘“ 6,104K
    My December ‘“ 800K
    All I Ever Wanted ‘“ 755K
    Total ‘“ 10,389 K

    Carrie Underwood ‘“
    Some Hearts ‘“ 6,867K
    Carnival Ride ‘“ 2,997K
    Play On ‘“ 532K
    Total ‘“ 10,396K

    If all the numbers are correct (I suspect however a couple more thousands may need to be added to Kelly Clarkson’s total from the sales of her older albums, but probably not enough to change the result) , then Carrie Underwood has overtaken Kelly Clarkson as the biggest selling Idol winner in the US. Worldwide Kelly still rules, and that probably won’t change for a while yet.

  • cookcricket

    I also think the Jive rep used Daughtry and DC as examples because they are both idol artists that are also mainly HAC artists.

  • cookcricket

    Carrie and Kelly are both successes that continue to do well! Both have pretty impressive numbers overall! ;)

  • tinawina

    And I went with 180-200K for Adam. It looks like he’ll be at the higher end if the HDD predictions hold up. Actually if it wasn’t for the crap sales of his early singles, I would have gone with 230-260K based purely on his promo. Oh well, I still think I got closer than most here.
    Where’s my prize?

    Bragging rights! You are officially The Queen Of Prediction! LOL! Well, you will technically not be official until next Wednesday, but you get the idea.

  • dhunken

    Ok I am even getting surprised but Adam fye single has moved up another notch to #26 in combined Itune single sales. Maybe it’s the video? It’s not radio!

  • Hazehel

    And I went with 180-200K for Adam. It looks like he’ll be at the higher end if the HDD predictions hold up. Actually if it wasn’t for the crap sales of his early singles, I would have gone with 230-260K based purely on his promo. Oh well, I still think I got closer than most here.
    Where’s my prize?

    My prediction of 140-180K now looks way off, but there is still the likelihood that HDD might have over-estimated (your upper limit of 200K still looks good to me and may turn out to be correct), but I’m perfectly happy to be wrong about this. Without the crappy singles sales I would have gone for 200K plus or minus 20K, although I do think my prediction is still a reasonable one (the AMA controversy and the Amazon cut-prize offer may have given the sales a bit of extra boost).

  • serene

    Tess
    11/25/2009 at 2:10 pm
    Kris is Kris’ ¦a journeyman musician with a relatively good voice that will play well to smaller venues. He will never be another John Mayer’ ¦.his guitar playing is adequate and his piano skills less so. Based on what I heard from him on the album I don’t think his songwriting skills are on the same level, by any means, of most of the singer/songwriters of today.

    http://www.cosmogirl.com/entertainment/celeb-qa/kris-allen-nov09-2

    Kris was offered a music scholarship from University of Arkansas – I don’t think ‘adequate’ musicality a term we can use on Kris. For him to be confident enough to play the piano on TV live, only after learning the instrument a year before, does not warrant ‘less than adequate’ tag.

    That guy is mad talented – but he is too subdued in selling skills (yeah, he didn’t enrol Business major under scholarship!)

  • mzbet

    Kris’ LLWD will be #41 on Billboard Top 100 next week up from #70.

    http://www.billboarddirectories.com/billboard/images/pdf/index_song.pdf

    Don’t know if this has been posted anywhere and don’t have the patience to page back through all the comments.

  • lucy

    Kris was offered a music scholarship from University of Arkansas ‘“ I don’t think ‘adequate’ musicality a term we can use on Kris. For him to be confident enough to play the piano on TV live, only after learning the instrument a year before, does not warrant ‘less than adequate’ tag.

    He is a very good musician. However, he was also a *viola* player, and the conservatory spots offered to viola players do come with an asterisk.

    If you ask any conservatory or music school at all, you’ll find that there are so few viola players out there that there are almost always viola scholarships and viola spots in university (and other) orchestras going begging. For that reason, a pretty good viola player is likely to get offered a couple of scholarships while a violin player, for example, with the same level of skill and ability doesn’t even have a ghost of a chance of getting into a music school at all, because the numbers of violin players — and thus of great violin players — is so high.

    I’m not making this up. Your shot at a music-school spot varies *hugely* based on the instrument you play, and viola happens to be one that’s highly sought after by music schools, orchestras, and so forth. Not a lot of people pick the viola as their instrument …. Note that Kris has basically said that he didn’t really know what to choose so they kind of thrust the viola on him and he said okay.

  • lucy

    Well, can’t edit … I wanted to add that Kris’s taking the viola when asked also shows his diffidence and his lack of spotlight seeking. The big reason people don’t take up the viola is that it isn’t considered a solo instrument. You *need* violas to play symphonies, string quartets and a lot of other stuff. But if you’re the viola player, you are almost never the star. …. Others in that high school orchestra didn’t want to put themselves in that position — but it was okay with Kris. …. That diffidence is very sweet on a personal level, but he’s probably going to need to develop a bigger ego to fight for his due now that he’s in the extremely competitive world of professional music.

  • dv

    BILLBOARD HOT 100

    20 16 KELLY CLARKSON ALREADY GONE
    21 23 CARRIE UNDERWOOD COWBOY CASANOVA
    70 41 KRIS ALLEN LIVE LIKE WE’RE DYING
    50 GLEE CAST LEAN ON ME
    64 GLEE CAST DON’T STAND SO CLOSE TO ME / YOUNG GIRL
    73 GLEE CAST I’LL STAND BY YOU
    31 74 GLEE CAST FEATURING DEFYING GRAVITY
    78 GLEE CAST ENDLESS LOVE

  • lucy

    BILLBOARD HOT 100

    20 16 KELLY CLARKSON ALREADY GONE
    21 23 CARRIE UNDERWOOD COWBOY CASANOVA
    70 41 KRIS ALLEN LIVE LIKE WE’RE DYING

    Hurrah for Kris and Kelly rising on the chart! *Big* jump for Kris — hope that radio play continues.

  • cookcricket

    Note that Kris has basically said that he didn’t really know what to choose so they kind of thrust the viola on him and he said okay.

    Oops correction, Kris started playing the viola because a friend did. LOL. Okay, not much different, BUT, this doesn’t disqualify the fact that he’s a born musician.

  • CathyMK

    He is a very good musician. However, he was also a *viola* player, and the conservatory spots offered to viola players do come with an asterisk.

    Kind of a big leap to assume that his scholarship was given to him for mediocre playing, don’t you think? Kris is a talented enough musician to play 3 instruments, 2 of them on national television, leading to his winning AI. It’s also an accomplishment to be offered a music scholarship. I don’t think it’s fair to imply that he only got it because he played an unpopular instrument. Do you even know that the scholarship was solely for his viola playing? Do you have access to the scholarship committee’s notes on why he was accepted?

    Good news about LLWD’s jump on the Hot 100!

  • LK09

    FYI- David Archuleta’s Christmas CD went up 83% in sales this week. Of course a Christmas album will sell more as it gets closer to Christmas. It will be interesting to watch it as he goes on this tour.

  • girlygirl

    LLWD has jumped from #92 to #41 in 2 weeks. That’s a pretty impressive move. Hopefully he can get into the Top 40 next week.

    Congrats to Kelly on moving up the chart as well. She was great at the AMAs on Sunday — first time I’ve ever seen her live.

  • Starr

    Blake Lewis was dropped from his label?

  • unique28v

    For your Entertainment is 24 on Itunes now. It’s made a big bump since the performance. I don’t think the music video is for sale yet though.

  • Keel

    Are we playing by Price is Right rules? Or is it the person who comes closest wins (whether over or under)? Because I predicted 250-300K for Adam in a thread from this weekend and I’ve heard a 263K prediction from a media source.

  • lucy

    Oops correction, Kris started playing the viola because a friend did. LOL. Okay, not much different, BUT, this doesn’t disqualify the fact that he’s a born musician.

    No, it absolutely does not. I totally agree that he’s an excellent, very talented musician. …. But what it does say, I think, is that he wasn’t seeking the limelight and was content to take the backup instrument, while everybody else was scrambling for the solo instrument.

    He is a very good musician. However, he was also a *viola* player, and the conservatory spots offered to viola players do come with an asterisk.

    Kind of a big leap to assume that his scholarship was given to him for mediocre playing, don’t you think? Kris is a talented enough musician to play 3 instruments, 2 of them on national television, leading to his winning AI. It’s also an accomplishment to be offered a music scholarship. I don’t think it’s fair to imply that he only got it because he played an unpopular instrument. Do you even know that the scholarship was solely for his viola playing? Do you have access to the scholarship committee’s notes on why he was accepted?

    Well, you get accepted to music school on the basis of the instrument you play and, pretty universally, you get accepted on the basis of the *classical* instrument you play. The classical instrument Kris played was the viola. …. Therefore, there was really no other basis for him to be accepted.

    They weren’t going to accept him as a singer, because there’s never been any evidence that Kris aspired to be a classical singer, and universities don’t generally admit pop singers, except for some jazz singers, which Kris also doesn';t seem ever to have pursued. They weren’t going to accept him based on his playing rock guitar, because they probably don’t teach rock guitar, and they definitely don’t *need* rock guitar. They need the instruments that are in orchestral pieces and string-quartet pieces. And one of those — and the one that is in the lowest supply — is the viola.

    I *never* said, implied, or thought that he was a “mediocre” musician or that anybody who gets into music school playing the viola is “mediocre.” It’s clear that he’s an excellent musician, which i’ve never denied. What I said was — and you can check this out in *multiple* places, believe me — is that you *can* get into music school and get a scholarship by being a less good viola player than you would have to be to get in as a violin player. That’s just fact. Facts interest me. And I think the fact that Kris chose to be a viola player shows something that *is* very relevant about him — he has never chosen the limelight.

  • Sherena

    Aw, why isn’t FYE doing better than that? :(

    But I’m glad that LLWD is doing well, and Kris’ album opening sales aren’t bad either. Especially not if they build over time instead of falling, like LLWD has. As I’ve always said, it’s longevity that matters, not huge openers.