Idol Sales News – Week Ending 06/17/12

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  • Anonymous

    I think the general meme of the numbers thread has been that the sophomore albums will let us know whether or not someone has managed to established themselves, and achieve “success”, whatever that means in regards to their genre and career.

    Nobody is saying that Adam is a failure, but the early days of this era tell us that he failed to establish himself in his genre the first time around.  That doesn’t mean that things won’t turn around, since all he needs is one good song to take off.  But so far, the results are mixed.  He saw a big drop from his first album’s debut week, which is not a big deal, IF he’s able to get some singles to take off, and get new people to buy the album.  

    So far, he’s had one single that flopped, having that song peak at #17, and dropped before the release of the album is not a good thing.  Its performance is the reason why the album sales didn’t start higher, and why they aren’t stabilizing.  And NCOE is having trouble  gaining traction on two formats, and some early adders are dropping the song or reducing their spins.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/DJ4FPAE2BM4XDCNVQITJSS3S2Q Sue

    Yes it’s happening but very sloooooooooowly. Eventually the music biz will look very different to how it looks today. There’ll be much more variety, more channels to discover music and for artists to market themselves, and artists will pocket more money as they won’t need labels or terrestrial radio airplay.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/PVEFG2TOUIXSROKUSO2O2DOWWE Taylor

    The album numbers stabilized in the last week. When looking at all the other Idols (not named Kelly) trying to be HAC/Pop artist: getting a #1 second era album in several countries, keeping an album in the BB100 for a month or longer, having international presence in several markets, and retaining the ability to sell 1K-4K for one-offs is still pretty good. Not to mention, the little “side job” of performing with Queen!
    Sure, things could be better, but they could be a whole lot worse.

  • Anonymous

    The album numbers stabilized in the last week.

    I think we’ll find out how true that is this week.  The numbers would have to remain stable for more than just one week, and not be aided by a sale at Amazon.  

    As far as international success goes, since that’s been exaggerated a little bit, I think I’d wait for the numbers, but showing up at all in the charts is a good thing.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/PVEFG2TOUIXSROKUSO2O2DOWWE Taylor

    My comments were not exaggerating the international numbers in any way. TSP was #1 in several countries and top 5 or top 10 in several others. Adam’s album and singles from this era have charted in varying degrees in several countries outside of the US. These facts say that Adam has international presence in several markets, which are exactly the words I used.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/GEYNPN3LPZDTY3PJJ5F42TCVZU Rose

    People keep bringing up Adam’s international success, and I’ll give him that for FYE, he was doing very well in some countries (NZ, Australia, Canada, Finland) and decently well in a few other countries, but from the number we’ve seen so far for TP, it looks like his international appeal has eroded somewhat as well. I still think the big decider will be the UK. If he flops in the UK, he might well be in trouble, because I really don’t see anywhere else other than Finland where you could deem TP a success.
    And no, reaching #1 one week and then sliding off the charts within a month probably wasn’t what RCA was looking for when they pumped what must  have been at least a few hundred thousand dollars into creating and promoting this era both domestically and internationally.

    I should also add, that I think Adam will be fine whatever he does. Even if he loses his record deal, he’ll be able to earn an excellent living on Broadway.

  • http://twitter.com/tinawinabina Tinawina

    Well, people already addressed the Fanny thing. She’s doing great for her genre.

    Who said Adam was getting dropped? I missed that. And he clearly has a fanbase IMO.

    Actually, *I* don’t think Adam is getting dropped anytime soon. I think he’s having radio issues at the moment and it is effecting the longevity of his album sales. He started out pretty great IMO – 75K is really good for a pop artist with no smash – so the only real problem to me (and it’s a biggie) is cracking the code with radio. I suspect they will put out another single, or try to break him overseas and circle back, before walking away from this album. And even if they don’t do that, he’ll likely get another album. And even if that doesn’t work, enough industry types love Adam that he will always be working in one way or another. So like I said, I do think Adam will be fine in the long run no matter what happens.

  • Anonymous

    I really don’t think it’s RCA or Broadway.

  • fuzzywuzzy

    ETA: Something weird happened, but this post is in response to Ali Goria’s post here:

    http://www.mjsbigblog.com/idol-sales-news-%e2%80%93-week-ending-061712.htm#comment-563751629

    “But to compare to a Kelly or Carrie, the ONLY two really break out stars from Idol, as it turns out? Why?”

    Well, actually Fantasia should be included with them as an artist who has established herself in her genre. The point is that anyone from Idol has to look beyond sales/popularity coming right off the show, where they will benefit from being television stars, but have yet to appeal to the non-Idol public in establishing themselves as artists in the music industry.  They need to transition from a predominantly Idol-acquired fan base to one that will support them for their music, and as we can see, that’s not an easy task. That’s why I never think that anyone from Idol has been successful as an artist in the industry until the outcome of the release of their second album is known.

  • Anonymous

    What other countries outside of the US did the album debut at number one? And how is he doing in the weeks after the album’s release?

    Even though it seems like Adam’s international success won’t match what he did the last time around, I also don’t think he’s in a bad situation. With the things that he has going for him, I think that RCA will continue to try and get him established, as they said in the Billboard article that was posted shortly before Adam’s album was released.

    At the most, if things don’t improve, RCA won’t be willing to put as much money into the third album as they did this one. But the point is that Adam will be give more opportunities to break her and elsewhere.

    ETA: To prove that, RCA has taken out another ad for NCOE on All Access. It seems like they are gearing up for another push at Pop. This ad mentions that the song is co-written by Bruno Mars, so I guess they are using that to try and get the song some spins. I’m sure that the push won’t be limited to that ad.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100002166668687 Ali Goria

    The topic was “stable fan bases”. And that Adam’s has yet to be proven. Not radio. LOL this is like whack-a-mole. The target keeps changing.:)

    I don’t see Fantasia’s fanbase being so “stable” and loyal, call me crazy. Yes she gets radio play but where’s the stable base? I’m looking at all the factors that Beiber’s management claimed made Boyfriend worthy of more spins – fan popularity –  and Billboard numbers. I can’t see Mediabase for her anymore and never looked. But I’m not talking radio anyway.

    Your post said Kelly Carrie Fantasia and Mandisa were in the same category with stable, established fan bases. And that’s why Adam still had to prove he had one. I’m challenging the assertion that Adam’s fan base isn’t “stable”. 

    Nobody knows what’s going to happen with him and radio.

    Her legendary R&B fan base better get on it, though. Billboard has the new single that she did on IDOL Collard Greens and Cornbread peaking so far at #47 R&B after 18 weeks. Adam’s BTIKM at least made it to 18 on Adult Pop before getting sh!tcanned at 13 weeks. And NCOE is at 35 on Adult Pop after 3 weeks on the chart. I didn’t mention his other charts other than Adult Pop so we compare their specific genres. 

    But ok, sales? R&B chart includes EVERYBODY even the big names. HOW is 458K in the past two years at the top of the R&B heap? She’s thrown in with all the pop stars on that chart and others. Including a bunch of peeps I never heard of even tho I’m from Philly lol.

    http://www.billboard.com/charts/r-b-hip-hop-albums#/charts/r-b-hip-hop-albums?begin=11&order=position Maybe you have some other R&B chart that I don’t know about or some subset in mind but I’m talking about the regular old Billboard R&B.Maybe you were talking about IDOL R&B singers? 

    Usher, Nicki, Kanye, Jayz, even Rhianna, Lil Wayne, Alecia Keys,…. Tyrese – he just sold 306K since November and hadn’t released an album since 2006.

    What’s interesting about him is he left Fantasia’s label and this one is on EMI.

    The list is endless. Even that guy Tyga who just sold 244K since Feb 21st. That’s the creep who has a lyric ***niggas gay Adam Lambert*** in one of his songs. The lyric that haters tweet against Adam every time his name comes up.

    Fantasia’s working in a casino and has 150K Twitter followers. Her website has 300 posts (it must be new). Lambert’s fansite has 3 million “likes” and almost 2 million posts. Her video on Vevo (not really a video just audio) has 400K views, NCOE has 3 MILLION in 3 weeks. 

    Her latest single did WORSE **so far** than Adam’s last two (on Billboard) that are being called flops. Maybe she’s a slow burner. Will she have a new album and get radio play? Probably. Is her fan base more stable than Adam’s? I don’t think so. 

    http://newsroom.mtv.com/2012/06/20/two-years-later-glamberts-remain-a-fan-army-to-beat/

    All this makes me conclude RCA Sony/Whoever with Idols are pretty incompetent or the shark has jumped circa Season um, 4! LOL

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/PVEFG2TOUIXSROKUSO2O2DOWWE Taylor

    Again, this information is in past numbers threads. Try the week or two after the album release. The rankings in other countries might even be on Wiki.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/PVEFG2TOUIXSROKUSO2O2DOWWE Taylor

    We don’t know what RCA was looking for. I’m sure they were much happier with a number one in several countries and an album that is able to stay in the BB200 than one that wasn’t able to come close to either of those rankings. We certainly don’t know how much money they put into this project and whether it was more or less than the other Idol projects they have going at his time and what that means for the future.

  • Anonymous

    I think we can figure out if the money they spent on the album was more or less than what they spent on others.  

    Ali Goria said: I don’t see Fantasia’s fanbase being so “stable” and loyal, call me crazy. Yes she gets radio play but where’s the stable base?

    Maybe the confusion is because earlier you said that she didn’t get radio play. I think the topic was establishing oneself in a genre or in the industry, but if we are going to talk about fanbases, I think that selling the same amount of copies for albums 2 and 3 would indicate that her fanbase is very stable. Doing that is unheard of.

    Fantasia hasn’t done a lot of touring, but there are reasons for that. She opened for others when she came off of AI, but found that it was difficult to do it with her daughter. With the second album, she committed to appearing in the Color Purple right before her song took off, so she didn’t have a tour in conjunction with that album. It looked like she would have one with album number three, but she became pregnant, and then was ordered to total bed rest, right after her third single was released.

    I think Fantasia’s sales speak for themselves. They speak louder than a website that she doesn’t keep up. Twitter, since she only signed up last year, and then stopped tweeting once she got pregnant. And even the Billboard Hot 100, which is a combination of airplay, sales and streaming. Artists who are on larger formats will do better, and a quick search of the Itunes chart will show that r&b songs that don’t cross over don’t sell a lot of copies. There’s a digital divide, and R&B artists are going to sell more albums than singles. I’m also not sure that we can say too much about what BTIKM and NCOE have done on the Hot 100.

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