Idol Sales News – Week Ending 05/22/11

The Idol press is too busy covering the finale to release numbers just yet. I’ll start the thread Anyway.

Feel free to discuss anything number related including DI and predicted numbers.

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  • IndyMuse

    I see sales numbers for the compilations visible this morning. Lauren is at #16 and Scotty at #17. Don’t they usually wait till after the finale to show any sales results? I don’t see the singles, however.

  • tripp_ncwy

    Mediabase (rolling) TW: May 24

    US

    HAC
    22 20 JASON ALDEAN/KELLY CLARKSON Don’t You Wanna Stay 1283 1027 256 6.85
    33 30 JENNIFER LOPEZ F/PITBULL On The Floor 606 547 59 2.271
    47 34 STEVEN TYLER (It) Feels So Good 519 273 246 2.875
    46 46 DAVID COOK Last Goodbye 296 279 17 0.818

    AC
    3 4 DAUGHTRY September 1283 1262 21 8.899
    19 18 MATTHEW MORRISON Summer Rain 209 192 17 1.022

    Country
    294 41 BRAD PAISLEY/CARRIE UNDERWOOD Remind Me 358 1 357 3.105

    June 13, 2011 – impacting songs
    Kellie Pickler 19 Recording/BNA – Tough

    Top 40
    5 5 JENNIFER LOPEZ F/PITBULL On The Floor 10118 9796 322 64.957
    59 49 STEVEN TYLER (It) Feels So Good 584 278 306 2.818

    Mainstream Rock
    19 20 STEVEN TYLER (It) Feels So Good 52 55 -3 0.148

    Urban
    42 42 JENNIFER LOPEZ I’m Into You f/Lil W… 433 430 3 1.104
    41 43 JENNIFER HUDSON Where You At 433 480 -47 1.777

    Urban AC
    6 6 JENNIFER HUDSON Where You At 1505 1469 36 7.232
    19 17 FANTASIA Collard Greens & Cor… 583 497 86 2.536
    45 41 JENNIFER HUDSON Don’t Look Down 117 89 28 1.656

    Rhythmic
    17 18 JENNIFER LOPEZ F/PITBULL On The Floor 2273 2253 20 13.268
    39 39 JENNIFER LOPEZ I’m Into You f/Lil W… 737 577 160 2.845

    Christian AC
    1 1 MANDISA Stronger 1393 1402 -9 5.199
    23 22 CHRIS SLIGH One 291 261 30 0.993

    Canadian

    Top 40
    2 1 JENNIFER LOPEZ F/PITBULL On The Floor 1649 1664 -15 12.639
    54 46 JENNIFER LOPEZ I’m Into You f/Lil W… 199 175 24 0.585

    HAC
    3 2 JENNIFER LOPEZ F/PITBULL On The Floor 998 962 36 6.39
    54 46 JENNIFER LOPEZ I’m Into You f/Lil W… 103 91 12 0.992

    Main-AC
    28 25 JASON ALDEAN/KELLY CLARKSON Don’t You Wanna Stay 131 132 -1 1.598

    Canada-Active Rock
    18 18 STEVEN TYLER (It) Feels So Good 146 124 22 0.78
    37 33 DAUGHTRY September 38 36 2 0.381

  • Kirsten

    Lauren is at #16 and Scotty at #17. Don’t they usually wait till after the finale to show any sales results?

    In the past, they were never for sale until after the results show. They must have forgotten to suppress them.

    itunes Bump:
    210. Maybe It Was Memphis – Pam Tillis – Lauren
    244. Flat On the Floor – Carrie Underwood – Lauren
    330. Check Yes or No – George Strait – Scotty
    348. Gone – Montgomery Gentry – Scotty
    658. Like My Mother Does – Kristy Lee Cook – Lauren

    182. Don’t You (Forget About Me) – David Cook
    694. The Time of My Life – David Cook

    None of these songs were in the top 1000 yesterday.

  • tripp_ncwy

    iTunes Top 100 Songs
    9. On the Floor (feat. Pitbull) – Jennifer Lopez
    10. For Good (Glee Cast Version) – Glee Cast
    13. Light Up the World (Glee Cast Version) – Glee Cast
    14. Pretending (Glee Cast Version) – Glee Cast
    27. I Love New York / New York, New York (Glee Cast Version) – Glee Cast
    34. Yeah! (Glee Cast Version) – Glee Cast
    38. As Long As You’re There (Glee Cast Version) – Glee Cast
    42. My Cup (Glee Cast Version) – Glee Cast
    51. Bella notte (Glee Cast Version) – Glee Cast
    61. Still Got Tonight – Matthew Morrison
    64. Pretending (Glee Cast Version) – Glee Cast
    65. Light Up the World (Glee Cast Version) – Glee Cast

  • http://emuisemo.pbworks.com eilonwy

    It’s time for the Twitter Overnight Post-It Note of Inconclusiveness.

    Percentage gain is higher than the standard overnight 2%:
    Alaina 6.76%
    McCreery 5.64%

    Raw number gain reverses the order:
    1 McCreery 9,484
    2 Alaina 8,803

    I’m going to collect numbers for all of the Top 13 after the finale and then put together the conclusions for the season late in the week or over the weekend.

  • tripp_ncwy

    iTunes Top 100 Albums

    5. Glee: The Music, Vol. 6 – Glee Cast
    11. American Idol Season 10: Lauren Alaina – Lauren Alaina
    12. American Idol Season 10: Scotty McCreery – Scotty McCreery
    43. Glee: The Music Presents The Warblers – Glee Cast
    51. Matthew Morrison – Matthew Morrison
    89. Glee: The Music, Vol. 5 – Glee Cast

  • Dakota01

    How is it that David Cook’s TOML got an iTunes bump but his new single is no where to be found?

  • Hazehel

    How is it that David Cook’s TOML got an iTunes bump but his new single is no where to be found?

    Current iTunes chart position (Pop) for David Cook –

    Don’t You Forget About Me – #89
    Time of My Life – #249
    Light On – #364
    The Last Goodbye – #525
    Come Back to Me – #652

    TLG is probably just outside 1000 in the overall chart.

  • Eileen99

    46 46 DAVID COOK Last Goodbye 296 279 17 0.818

    I’m starting to wonder what the end game is with this song. It was -1 in spins & -12 in its bullet this morning. I haven’t checked to see if it’s listed in rotation at VH1 yet, or at what level.

    With the album dropping in June, I wonder if RCA has a date in mind that they’re going to abandon this & go with something else. I can’t really understand why the song hasn’t done better, it’s a standard HAC song that should do well on the format. It’s not a standout to me, but it’s not awful by any stretch. I don’t get it. If it were me, I think I’d give it another week and then move on to something else before we get too close to the album drop.

  • girlygirl

    I saw on twitter that Jive sent Jordin’s new single for pop adds yesterday

    Also, good to see SGT at #61 on iTunes. There was a rumor floating around the Nokia yesterday that Matthew Morrison may be performing it on the Idol finale tonight.

  • Trina

    I really thought TLG would have been making more progress by now. I didnt expect it to zoom up the chart fast but I thought it would have made Top 40 by now. RCA has actually done a decent job and god knows hes doing a ton of radio promo, but yeah I’m not feeling overly optimistic. I dunno.

  • http://emuisemo.pbworks.com eilonwy

    With the album dropping in June, I wonder if RCA has a date in mind that they’re going to abandon this & go with something else. I can’t really understand why the song hasn’t done better, it’s a standard HAC song that should do well on the format.

    My guess is that a replacement single would be launched with the album or very closely beforehand, so that it’s the Shiny! New! Single! for TV promotion of the album.

    I’m with ya on bafflement — it’s a very plausible radio song, there have been visible signs of label support, and Cook’s been out there promoting it to radio non-stop.

    However, there’s a pile-up of newish songs struggling in the lower reaches of the HAC chart (some have been hanging out there since March). So the label’s prognostications may look different from ours. The video’s going to VH-1 this week, so maybe that will help.

    After looking at historic HAC adds last winter (about half of songs given an add date never make the top 40), I think there sometimes just isn’t any solid reason why one song catches on and another doesn’t. As a grad school friend used to say “the zeitgeist was going that way.”

  • Hazehel

    I can’t really understand why the song hasn’t done better, it’s a standard HAC song that should do well on the format. It’s not a standout to me, but it’s not awful by any stretch. I don’t get it.

    It’s not an interesting or exciting song. I neither like nor dislike it, to me it’s just kinda, like the title of a Cook’s song, anodyne. I rather wish it had a bit more oomph, or whatever. Listening to it the only thing I can think of is how to make it more interesting, like this note should be a fifth higher or that a semitone lower.

    I thought it was chosen because US radio seems not to like rock with too much edge, I don’t know. Perhaps it can still pick up steam, but we’ll see. I hope the other songs in his album will be better.

  • Elliegrll

    With the album dropping in June, I wonder if RCA has a date in mind that they’re going to abandon this & go with something else. I can’t really understand why the song hasn’t done better, it’s a standard HAC song that should do well on the format. It’s not a standout to me, but it’s not awful by any stretch. I don’t get it. If it were me, I think I’d give it another week and then move on to something else before we get too close to the album drop.

    I think it’s too early to tell what’s going to happen. HAC is notorious for having songs lose and regain their bullets several times while they climb up the chart.

    I do think the slow climb is a sign that for many PDs David has been off their radar for too long, and many may not feel that he ever transitioned from being someone from American Idol to a legitimate recording artist. I thin Archie had this same problem, and many of the other idol alums will too.

  • Chicagolaw

    I admit I am a little perplexed about what is going on with TLG. I’m not super crazy about it, but it is a pretty standard HAC song—seems it should easily be a top 10 on that format. Especially since it is the lead-off single, which should be getting a nice RCA push. Really, I just thought it was as close to a HAC “sure thing” as you are going to get, and, maybe it still is.

    If this song doesn’t do well, though, it kinda scares for me for the other AI people who will have stuff coming out soon; particularly Adam and Kris, as I think Kelly has wide acceptance already and even her country duet seems to be moving.

    Also, RCA is having a tough time lately. Avril is struggling with her album and singles, also. So, who knows what is going on here.

  • cheese

    I’m starting to wonder what the end game is with this song. It was -1 in spins & -12 in its bullet this morning. I haven’t checked to see if it’s listed in rotation at VH1 yet, or at what level.

    Yeah, I’m getting really curious to see what happens next. When Adam’s FYE disappointed, RCA moved to another single with big promo immediately, in time for the album release. When Lee’s disappointed, they let it die and did another half-assed single release later on when it was too late. As a Cook fan, I would prefer the former strategy.

    I like TLG, but I’m thinking maybe radio listeners prefer Cook as the ballad or mid-tempo guy, which is fine. I heard two fantastic ballads at the Concert for Hope last month. Based on the songs I’ve heard so far, the album will be much better than DCTR.

  • Eileen99

    I’m with ya on bafflement — it’s a very plausible radio song, there have been visible signs of label support, and Cook’s been out there promoting it to radio non-stop.

    Exactly, it’s got the label support & artist support via radio shows & interviews. I guess we wait & see.

  • tripp_ncwy

    I’m starting to wonder what the end game is with this song. It was -1 in spins & -12 in its bullet this morning. I haven’t checked to see if it’s listed in rotation at VH1 yet, or at what level.

    I thought I saw a post somewhere from RCA ED who stated that TLG video was going to VH1 yesterday but I checked and it is not on this week’s online voting list.

  • tinawina

    My guess is that a replacement single would be launched with the album or very closely beforehand, so that it’s the Shiny! New! Single! for TV promotion of the album.

    I agree. They will let this go another week or two and if its not looking any better, I expect the old switcharoo.

    I do think the slow climb is a sign that for many PDs David has been off their radar for too long, and many may not feel that he ever transitioned from being someone from American Idol to a legitimate recording artist.

    I doubt that. If PDs felt that way they wouldn’t have added & spun the song in the first place which is what happened to Idols past. But this got adds and spins. I think this is around the time callout and polling data starts coming back, and I suspect the audience is not responding enough to the song to up its rotation.

  • Hazehel

    I do think the slow climb is a sign that for many PDs David has been off their radar for too long,

    I did think they made a mistake by not releasing a third (or fourth depending on how you see it) single, and I still think they should have released Heroes. And then a second mistake by taking so long to release his second album (had a rant about it before, so won’t do it again).

  • IndyMuse

    Keep in mind, TLG has jumped nearly 400 slots on iTunes pop since the video debuted, and another 40 or so this morning, and album sales rose last night from both DYFAM and the video. I am not sure why DYFAM would sell TLG in particular.

  • IndyMuse

    But tinawina, yesterday TLG was listed as a HitPredictor on HitPredictor. Maybe it is taking some time to catch the radio stations up to that news. Also, I noticed a new high spin count last night after Disney’s noncounting spins were deducted.

  • Chicagolaw

    I don’t know, switching singles for Cook makes me nervous, unless PDs have outright told RCA they don’t like the single. FYE was different—PDs were very vocal about not liking it (and add in the AMA performance)—so they switched to what was probably the easiest radio single on the album. Unless they know they have something more radio-friendly on TLM, I think RCA just needs to push the current single harder. Cook is doing a lot of radio promo—can’t RCA work some kind of deal with these stations? The song is pretty HAC-friendly, it shouldn’t be too hard to get spins.

  • http://wwpv.smcvt.edu VAidolFan09

    Cook fans, now you know how us David A. fans felt during his single/album release haha. TLG isn’t a bad tune, I’m surprised it hasn’t impacted more already but time will tell.

  • tinawina

    But tinawina, yesterday TLG was listed as a HitPredictor on HitPredictor. Maybe it is taking some time to catch the radio stations up to that news. Also, I noticed a new high spin count last night after Disney’s noncounting spins were deducted.

    That’s good! I think only the early stations would be at the local callout data phase anyway. So like everyone’s been saying, the next couple of weeks will tell us everything we need to know I think.

    I did think they made a mistake by not releasing a third (or fourth depending on how you see it) single, and I still think they should have released Heroes. And then a second mistake by taking so long to release his second album (had a rant about it before, so won’t do it again).

    I don’t think so. This is not an unusual gap at this format, plus his label and management are putting a lot of effort into this so it is not like he’s being tossed out there. If the song fails I think its the song, not the label or the gap or anything else.

  • koshka

    I confess I really don’t care for TLG, which means nada. The video has barely been launched and is not on VH 1 yet, so its a wait and see for me. I think it could definitely still take off, it just needs some time.

  • luly

    I really hope that TLG will manage to do well despite the slow start. I also surprised that it’s not doing better so far.

  • http://emuisemo.pbworks.com eilonwy

    Cook is doing a lot of radio promo—can’t RCA work some kind of deal with these stations?

    I think those acoustic gigs are part of that deal. It just doesn’t have instant pay-offs. While Cook’s not quite as energetic as I’d posited in fiction, he’s gettin’ close.

    Cook fans, now you know how us David A. fans felt during his single/album release haha.

    Oh goodness! I was so proud of my projections for Archuleta’s sales and quite dismayed when it went pear-shaped. I’m not really into his music but thought his strategy for coming up with a “grown-up sound” was solid.

  • Pam

    I really thought TLG would have been making more progress by now. I didnt expect it to zoom up the chart fast but I thought it would have made Top 40 by now. RCA has actually done a decent job and god knows hes doing a ton of radio promo, but yeah I’m not feeling overly optimistic. I dunno.

    Yeah, RCA has actually done a good job promoting this song so I can’t fault them this time. So I agree, that a lack of promo isn’t the problem this time. I think in another 2 weeks we may see another switcharoo. It wouldn’t surprise me at all. I think the song is DOA.

  • Tess

    I think Idol fatigue has pretty much reached all aspects of its universe…including the interest in past idol winners. Other than Kelly and Carrie, the remaining idolettes can no longer count on the interest of fans generated by the show. They will sink or swim depending on their own merit and the worthiness of their recordings. And this holds true for the Season 10 Winner.

    As far as Cook, if my town is any indication, his coronation ballad is still the most played of his songs and its included on many an AC station playlist. And, for me, Cookie has just seemed to have lost his personal fire…and I thought last night’s performance and his first idol performance were really damn bland. I just have this feeling that Cookie likes the opportunities being a recording artist gives him but his heart and soul is really live touring in smaller venues where he and his band crank out and wail.

    Being a successful recording artist often means self-promoting almost 24/7. That just doesn’t seem to be Cookie’s modus operandi.

  • Elliegrll

    I thought I saw a post somewhere from RCA ED who stated that TLG video was going to VH1 yesterday but I checked and it is not on this week’s online voting list.

    The list is updated on Saturday’s, so it wouldn’t be listed yet. On Thursday or Friday, FMQB should list the videos that VH1 has added, that has to happen before its listed on the countdown voting list.

    I doubt that. If PDs felt that way they wouldn’t have added & spun the song in the first place which is what happened to Idols past. But this got adds and spins. I think this is around the time callout and polling data starts coming back, and I suspect the audience is not responding enough to the song to up its rotation.

    Not all PDs think the same way. While some may be fine with giving TLG or idols a chance, others may not feel the same way. TLG has gotten adds, and in some good markets, but its AI is very low. Even with the stations that are playing it, based on the spin counts, and AI, it looks like it’s getting the new artist treatment, meaning over night or late evening spins, and just 2 to 3 times a day.

  • Chicagolaw

    I think it’s also going to be really interesting to see how radio embraces Daughtry on his 3rd album. Am I correct that this past album only had 2 singles released?

    I think Idol fatigue has set in at radio. And I think only Kelly and Carrie my be immune.

  • Elliegrll

    the remaining idolettes can no longer count on the interest of fans generated by the show. They will sink or swim depending on their own merit and the worthiness of their recordings.

    This has always been the case. PDs only gave novelty spins based o someone being on the show. For example, despite good album sales neither Taylor or Clay got any airplay. There are still some viewers who will buy whatever these alums release, but for radio and longterm success, it’s always been about the music, promotion, and label support.

    Am I correct that this past album only had 2 singles released?

    Three. And they all went top ten on HAC.

  • Chicagolaw

    It’s strange, for the first time, I think it might actually be easier for someone off Idol who is targeting CHR. HAC is being flooded with Idol songs. I actually think, right now, Jordin may be in the best position to get radio spins.

  • tinawina

    Not all PDs think the same way. While some may be fine with giving TLG or idols a chance, others may not feel the same way. TLG has gotten adds, and in some good markets, but its AI is very low. Even with the stations that are playing it, based on the spin counts, and AI, it looks like it’s getting the new artist treatment, meaning over night or late evening spins, and just 2 to 3 times a day.

    If lots of PDs didn’t think he was worth their time or “just a reality show contestant” he wouldn’t have gotten adds in the first place is what I am saying, especially not big market ones.

    Starting a song mostly on overnights is not unusual treatment reserved for new acts. That is fairly common for all but the biggest stars of a format. So while he’s clearly not HAC royalty (nor should he be) I don’t think there is much evidence that there are a large number of PDs being dismissive. Of course there may be some, but this song did fine at first IMO.

    Again, to me, its not that the song started on overnights but that its not moving off overnights fast enough is the problem. And that is about more than PDs not liking him, at this point in a song’s cycle I think decisions are made based on data and label push. YMMV.

  • iani

    “Cookie likes the opportunities being a recording artist gives him but his heart and soul is really live touring in smaller venues where he and his band crank out and wail.

    Being a successful recording artist often means self-promoting almost 24/7. That just doesn’t seem to be Cookie’s modus operandi.”

    I agree with that Tess. I remember in an interview few weeks ago he said something like whatever is doing now with his music/career is not part of who he is. Maybe I’m wrong what I heard, but I remember I said for me that is what I feel too about how he takes his career. He knows who he is and doesn’t want too much changes in order to be successful, touring in small scale and having a normal life surrounded by family and friends is everything he likes most and I don’t blame him.

  • jpfan

    And, for me, Cookie has just seemed to have lost his personal fire…and I thought last night’s performance and his first idol performance were really damn bland.

    I have to agree. Not a fan of his genre, but Cook doesn’t have the spark I remember. I suggest smiling once in a while. I’m just hoping Cook has held on to at least some of that huge fan base he had after S7. I’m surprised the song is struggling so much on HAC even though I personally find it generic.

  • Elliegrll

    Starting a song mostly on overnights is not unusual treatment reserved for new acts.

    That’s what I’m saying. The song is getting the treatment that PDs usually give new artists. If David had more success with his first album (in terms of releasing singles to radio), and had remained in the public eye, the song might be doing better.

  • SpenserJ

    I have to agree. Not a fan of his genre, but Cook doesn’t have the spark I remember.

    Cook was always such a dynamic, engaging performer on the Idol stage. I must say that last night, I was very surprised that he seemed so lackluster and flat to me.

  • Chicagolaw

    It seems to me like David used to work the stage more. Maybe he should have done the performance last night without his guitar?

  • tinawina

    That’s what I’m saying. The song is getting the treatment that PDs usually give new artists.

    ??? But I’m saying the opposite of that. Not JUST new artists start out on overnights. The only people who don’t are superstars on a format. There are a lot of people who are not new but are not superstars. Rolling In The Deep started out on overnights mostly, for example. It’s not “new artist treatment”, it’s regular treatment IMO.

    BUT, if the song is good, a station will up rotations after 2 or 3 weeks typically, and that is not what is happening here.

    I also don’t think HAC types have to promote 24/7 even when they are off an album cycle. That is more common in the pop arena. I don’t have the slightest clue who Sara Barielles or Colbie Callait are dating and I never see them in gossip mags. Daughtry has no mainstream media buzz and all his songs shot to the top. I haven’t seen or heard from Matt Nathanson in a year and he has a single out now.

    If this tanks (and we’ll know soon enough) I don’t think its anything else but the song.

  • hoosiermama

    33 30 JENNIFER LOPEZ F/PITBULL On The Floor 606 547 59 2.271
    47 34 STEVEN TYLER (It) Feels So Good 519 273 246 2.875
    46 46 DAVID COOK Last Goodbye 296 279 17 0.818

    I don’t think it helps that the IDOLS have to compete with the JUDGES for airtime on HAC. This has never been an issue before and, of course, their bigger star power gets more attention. Keeping my fingers crossed that TLG will pick up momentum when the video is on VH1—are your fingers ready to start voting?!

  • http://emuisemo.pbworks.com eilonwy

    Not a fan of his genre, but Cook doesn’t have the spark I remember.

    Eh, I think every singer on the show is remembered with a sort of sparkle that comes from the excitement of the show itself.

    Having seen a couple of live shows and many concert tubies over the past couple years, I thought Cook seemed about as he usually does. Honestly, that DYFAM performance just seemed beamed in from another planet than the rest of the show. A nice planet, where the lights are dim, the bar stools are comfortable, and the guy at the door affixes to one’s arm the wristband that declares one to be an adult who can order drinks.

  • Dakota01

    Cook was always such a dynamic, engaging performer on the Idol stage. I must say that last night, I was very surprised that he seemed so lackluster and flat to me.

    He was also “lackluster and flat” the last time he was on Idol too. Not sure what’s going on with him. The spark just doesn’t seem to be there.

  • Chicagolaw

    I hope you’re right, Tinawina, and that it’s “just the song.” I’m not an Archuletta fan, but his first single sounded like a great fit for CHR, and radio just didn’t want it. Radio also didn’t give Kris a chance after LLWD. Not even Chicago touched Lee’s single. And, RCA didn’t even bother sending Sleepwalker to radio (even if it was just to HAC) although a lot of fans thought this Tedder song was one of the most radio-friendly tracks on Adam’s album.

  • CanadianFan

    My husband, who is completely neutral towards David Cook, said he looked bored last night. My husband also wondered aloud if something had happened to David’s voice because he didn’t seem to have much power in it.

  • Kris

    I think Cook will probably end up doing well because he does have the label support. It seems like he has already done a ton of promo for this new album. I’m sure that will continue. And the week it is released will probably have him doing a ton of television promo as well.

    That is the difference to me in how this era has been promoted so far and David A.’s era was promoted. I don’t really think there is a comparison.

  • SpenserJ

    If this tanks (and we’ll know soon enough) I don’t think its anything else but the song.

    Well, the label seems to be putting in the effort, and David’s certainly doing his part on the promo end. So, that may be it. Most songs fail, while some hit. Sometimes, it’s just the song or the timing or whatever.

    I think RCA did a fabulous turn-around when Adam’s first single failed to make an impact. The recovery effort there earned him a hit. I’m assuming there has to be some material on David’s cd that could slip in and do better (if in a few weeks they realize this song isn’t going to do the job).

    I doubt they’ll give him the Lee treatment. Lee sort of failed on all fronts out of the gate. Cook has had success in the format before.

  • iani

    Agree again with you, he is not the same energetic one he used to be on the show. On purpose, he thinks is better for his career for longevity selling himself singing in one spot with his 12 strings guitar in my father assemble vest/tie/suit? I understand he wants to be respectful and humble for the occasion, but his doing the same too many times recently on numerous occasion so, yeah I think he wants to be taken much older then he is, serious musician…But in this case please don’t complain cougars are after you!
    ETA: I saw Lacey and Chelsy on DWTS taking off Mark’s jacket and a was thinking “where were you when DC was singing to help him, Mark doesn’t have so many layers to be helped!”

  • tinawina

    I’m not an Archuletta fan, but his first single sounded like a great fit for CHR, and radio just didn’t want it. Radio also didn’t give Kris a chance after LLWD. Not even Chicago touched Lee’s single. And, RCA didn’t even bother sending Sleepwalker to radio (even if it was just to HAC) although a lot of fans thought this Tedder song was one of the most radio-friendly tracks on Adam’s album.

    I think Archie is a good example of what happens when PDs cut a song off at the knees. That song never even got a shot to be heard.

    You can’t blame radio for Sleepwalker. The label never made it a single.

    But Kris (The Truth) and Lee… I don’t think that was radio’s fault either. Those songs were played enough that they should have been able to grow from there. I just don’t think enough people responded to the songs for stations to be motivated to play them more… or the label expressed indifference, leading them to play other songs. Both did get to the mid 20s right? So at least they got something.

    Radio doesn’t make things a hit all on its own. People actually have to like a song first.

  • Eileen99

    Radio also didn’t give Kris a chance after LLWD. Not even Chicago touched Lee’s single. And, RCA didn’t even bother sending Sleepwalker to radio (even if it was just to HAC)

    No. The Truth hit #17 on HAC with well over 1,000 spins (including all the large markets), and while WTMX may not have played Lee’s single, it made it to #22 or #23, can’t remember which now. Heck, even AWM made it to #51 or #52 with zero label support or adds date. And RCA had already sent 3 of Adam’s singles to radio, so I don’t think anyone was surprised Sleepwalker wasn’t sent to radio.

    What is surprising is that Cook’s lead single is still wallowing in the mid-40′s. From watching past songs, many stations start rotating new songs into their playlists on Wednesdays & Thursdays, so we’ll see if TLG gets any new stations today. I want this song to at least make top 40 and obviously even better than that.

  • Eileen99

    But Kris (The Truth) and Lee… I don’t think that was radio’s fault either. Those songs were played enough that they should have been able to grow from there. I just don’t think enough people responded to the songs for stations to be motivated to play them more…

    Yeah, I agree with this. The label can only do so much, radio can play the songs, but if the songs aren’t popular with listeners they will only climb so far.

  • Trina

    Not gonna lie and this may get my Cookie fan card revoked but I’m gonna admit I’ve lost that spark :( After being an uber fan from day one, being patient during the drought and endless wait for new music, it took me this long to feel like I’ve lost that passion I use to have. I feel like shit for even saying it but I’d be lying if I said getting sucked into the James fandom hasnt contributed and I always got annoyed when I watched the same thing happen to other fans from the DC fandom over the years with new Idols. Don’t get me wrong I’m still a big fan, I still watch any video that gets posted, I still seek out news and any new interviews but yeah its waned argh.

    He was also “lackluster and flat” the last time he was on Idol too. Not sure what’s going on with him. The spark just doesn’t seem to be there.

    It seems to me like David used to work the stage more. Maybe he should have done the performance last night without his guitar?

    Yeah agreed. The guitar thing has actually been a complaint of mine for a long time. I confided in a fellow fan about this and she got annoyed at me. It couldnt hurt him to drop the guitar once in a while and work the stage more.

  • CindyM

    Chicagolaw says:
    05/25/2011 at 10:39 am

    I don’t know, switching singles for Cook makes me nervous, unless PDs have outright told RCA they don’t like the single. FYE was different—PDs were very vocal about not liking it (and add in the AMA performance)—so they switched to what was probably the easiest radio single on the album.

    FYE was switched even before the AMA performance. FYE debuted with Ryan Seacrest on 10/31/2009 and OHP started playing WWFM by 11/14/2009, so RCA moved within less than two weeks, PD’s were probably pretty vocal right up front.

    I don’t know what’s happening with TLG. My station added it a couple of weeks ago and played it 6 times the first week, last week they lowered the rotation to 3. They’re still playing it overnights I think. It surprises me, because they played the hell of of TOML, LO and CBTM and still play them. It may just be a temporary lull for TLG, but the updates this week have been very meh.

  • Chicagolaw

    In terms of Sleepwalker and radio, I understand that radio can’t be blamed since it was never sent for adds. However, I have always felt that RCA probably had some pretty good data, etc. from radio stations/PDs which factored into their decision not to do so. In other words, they probably knew radio wasn’t going to be receptive.

    I’ll be honest, I wish I didn’t have the feeling that these AI alum singles weren’t doomed before they have even gotten out of the gate. Chicago radio doesn’t help—no Idol is getting play on CHR and only Carrie and Daughtry are ever heard on WTMX.

  • CindyM

    He was also “lackluster and flat” the last time he was on Idol too. Not sure what’s going on with him. The spark just doesn’t seem to be there.

    I thought he seemed flat in both performances too. I don’t know, he just seems stifled for some reason, like too buttoned up or something. Just doesn’t seem as free or having fun as much as he used to. I think he just needs to wear jeans and a t-shirt again. I still remember him on the GMA concert with Kris and Adam in his jeans and plaid and he looked like he was having a blast, I missed that sense of fun in these two performances. Maybe it’s because there’s so much pressure put on the performances, I don’t know.

  • iani

    “Radio doesn’t make things a hit all on its own. People actually have to like a song first.”

    Exactly, DJs might like him and play his gong, but if it isn’t liked and sell by listeners is worthless. And for the first impression(listening), that is important on many occasions not only in music, lots of fans weren’t happy with TLG. They have embraced well the new other 4 songs, not that one.

  • Hazehel

    But Kris (The Truth) and Lee… I don’t think that was radio’s fault either.

    For Lee, I don’t think the label put much effort in pushing him, so you can blame the label for that. I don’t think the song choice was good either, I just find the song annoying.

    Sometimes I think the label knows what they are doing with the song choice, but I’m really coming round to the idea that they haven’t a clue. To me Sleepwalker is unquestionably the best song on the album and should have been a single, for Lee they should have released Beautiful Like You or Me and My Jealousy, for Allison it should have been Holiday.

    As for The Last Goodbye, I’m actually hoping that it’s another bad choice made by the label and that they have chosen one of the worst songs on the album, because if it one of the best, then it’ll be one album I won’t be listening to. I like my music with a bit of spice or just that bit something extra, this song is just too much on the bland side.

  • Chicagolaw

    I realize my view of radio is colored by what is played (or not played, lol) in Chicago. I am surprised The Truth made it to #17 on HAC. I had no idea. WTMX played LLWD, then stopped, and never played Kris again (The Truth probably got several spins, but essentially nothing). They didn’t play WWFM during the day until 2 weeks after Adam’s Idol performance. I don’t think they played IIHY at all. They gave Lee and Crystal a few evening spins, but never added. I don’t think they have even given Cook an overnight spin yet.

  • tinawina

    Don’t get me wrong I’m still a big fan, I still watch any video that gets posted, I still seek out news and any new interviews but yeah its waned argh.

    Sounds like you’re still a fan to me. LOL. All you really need to do is buy music and/or go to a concert if you can to qualify anyway. And only do that if you like the music! Don’t worry about the rest!

  • Pam

    Not gonna lie and this may get my Cookie fan card revoked but I’m gonna admit I’ve lost that spark :( After being an uber fan from day one, being patient during the drought and endless wait for new music, it took me this long to feel like I’ve lost that passion I use to have. I feel like shit for even saying it but I’d be lying if I said getting sucked into the James fandom hasnt contributed and I always got annoyed when I watched the same thing happen to other fans from the DC fandom over the years with new Idols. Don’t get me wrong I’m still a big fan, I still watch any video that gets posted, I still seek out news and any new interviews but yeah its waned argh.

    It looks like I may have to join you in the bunker. I still adore the guy and love to read new tidbits too but I think I started becoming impatient with this long drought with no new music and so basically I think I just decided not too worry too much about TLG and concentrate on other things. Season 10 even with all of it’s manipulations and such has been very enjoyable and a great distraction and so I guess that would explain my feelings basically.

    I wasn’t totally surprised about the poor opening numbers for TLG especially after it started it’s quick decent on itunes within hours after the AI performance because in all honesty, that performance didn’t sell the song. I enjoyed DYFAM better last night but still it was a bit lackluster. I did enjoy seeing Dave on my TV though. So basically Trina, don’t feel guilty I guess would be my advice to you. :)

  • iani

    “As for The Last Goodbye, I’m actually hoping that it’s another bad choice made by the label and that they chose one of the worst songs on the album, because if it one of the best, then it’ll one album I won’t be listening to.”

    It seems to be the odd song from the record, based from snippets and concert videos, I don’t think is what the record is about, more ballads and mid tempo ones, good lyrics… That one seems to me like “let try a fun one” and is not modern enough for young people, too modern for older ones, just in the middle of anything. Too uptempo for the message, lyrically not very touchy for who like more sugary, melancholic stuff. More WTF Cook moment, let experiment with fun, summer and young, exactly what his demographic in not defined yet, they need something else, more spice then what he offers now. The song is not bad at all, but maybe too much happens in 3 min. and it is not clear for many the message of it.
    ETA:There will be some better songs in, someone said like a month ago that Bruno Mars’ album is worthless to buy it, buy his singles. I liked DC’s first one and I didn’t feel that I lost my money and I will feel the same for the second one for sure, based on what I’ve heard and not because his actual single is not a masterpiece. There is around enough junk music that sells and will be a place for his music too, good or bad for different tastes…

  • car3278sweet

    I liked Cookie alot when he was on AI – he exhibited some real artistry with his song change-ups (which has been sadly lacking this year). But his first album was just alright with me and I didn’t buy.

    I agree with others, his performances this year on AI have been… I don’t know… so different than his passion when he was a contestant. He’s muted. I think TLG is also… muted.

    This has got me thinking. Maybe all of us fans want the BIG SUCCESS for our guy/gal. But maybe said guy/gal would be perfectly happy being a mid-size success. Playing smaller venues, etc. Or maybe they would be happy seguing into songwriting or producing instead of dealing with lack of privacy, constant pressure to sell, constant travel to promote.

    Maybe that’s why Cookie is not sparking and neither is his song really.

  • Elliegrll

    But Kris (The Truth) and Lee… I don’t think that was radio’s fault either.

    The Truth wasn’t radio friendly, and most adds that it did have were because of LLWD’s success, but I do think that the problem with Lee’s single was that PDs were not open to playing it. Issues with AI, and the negative buzz for season 9 really hurt him A lot of stations were slow to spin LLWD, and I don’t think they would have taken a chance on it, if its sales numbers weren’t so good.

  • fadetowhite

    Funnily enough – I’m still feeling totally zen about Cook and all his doings: still know I’ll love the album, based on the other songs I’ve heard.

    I was never really that enthusiastic about The Last Goodbye and – after an initial freak out – accepted it and embraced it as the inevitable ‘appeal to radio’ song. Which it doesn’t seem to be doing yet, exactly, so maybe listeners were just as ‘meh’ as I was. You know – it’s fine; it’s OK; it’s not horrible – it just isn’t ‘wow who is that? I must check out their music’ catchy either.

    And yet, I’m still zen.

    I think Cook is far more of an album artist than a single artist: an anomaly and a problem in an age when the singles artist is king (or more often queen). But I like album artists. And sometimes they do break through – it just takes time.

    With Cook, I suspect, it is all going to come down to the overall quality of the album: that is what will make or break it. And if it is good enough, then it will take time to build those sales – quite a bit of time.

    And if it doesn’t work out that way – sorry, but I’m still zen. I mean, yes, I’d love to see the guy do well, sell well, be embraced widely by critics and audience alike. But when it comes down to it, I like his music and that’s all that matters to me.

    It probably helps that I had no expectations for the album, sales wise and was quite prepared for an Archie like reception. I only had expectations music wise and from what I’ve heard, they will be met.

    But, more likely, it’s that 3 years out, I am no longer consumed by a burning fandom flame that needs him to be ‘the best’!!!!! Or to outdo or outsell or be compared with any other idol. He is now another artist whose music I like, but whom I follow in more detail and with more interest than most others – that is the AI investment hangover and it’s a quite welcome one, more so now that it is angst free. And that really is no bad thing.

  • Eileen99

    I am surprised The Truth made it to #17 on HAC. I had no idea. WTMX played LLWD, then stopped, and never played Kris again (The Truth probably got several spins, but essentially nothing).

    LOL, poor TT never gets any love around here. It dropped off the HAC top 40 chart only one week away from going recurrent, and was on all the national countdown shows. But, you wouldn’t have heard it on WTMX unless you were listening in the wee hours or during the 9pm new music hour, even though they auto-added it. WTMX is a tough nut to crack, for sure.

    I don’t think SS ever got enough spins to be auto-added there and was only played during the new music hour, as far as I recall. Interestingly, they featured Farmer’s Daughter on their new music page for a while, but played it a only a little during that hour. And again, never enough for an add.

    But back to TLG, if I were RCA, I’d give it a couple more weeks at most (maybe even just one more week), and then make a splash with a new single for the album drop. It’s a shame the video wasn’t ready when the single was released.

  • tripp_ncwy

    LOL, poor TT never gets any love around here.

    Know that’s right. TT dropped like rock when Jive apparently pulled all support for it. The video was yanked from VH1 after it had peaked at #5 the previous week. I don’t think the SS video ever made it into the top 10 on VH1.

  • Curlin

    Fadetowhite, I totally agree with your entire post. Also, his album did get a nice iTunes bump and is sitting at 114 overall right now. I was never crazy about TLG from the start but Time Marches On sounds really good in comparison! Maybe that will be single #2 down the road.

  • sma11ie

    I still watch any video that gets posted, I still seek out news and any new interviews but yeah its waned argh.

    That’s still a fan! To be honest, it’s probably easier to be this kind of fan than the uber-invested kind. ETA: LOL, my braintwin tinawina posted almost the same thing :)

    He was also “lackluster and flat” the last time he was on Idol too. Not sure what’s going on with him. The spark just doesn’t seem to be there. [...] It couldnt hurt him to drop the guitar once in a while and work the stage more.

    I thought he seemed flat in both performances too. I don’t know, he just seems stifled for some reason, like too buttoned up or something. Just doesn’t seem as free or having fun as much as he used to. I think he just needs to wear jeans and a t-shirt again.

    I agree with others, his performances this year on AI have been… I don’t know… so different than his passion when he was a contestant. He’s muted.

    I don’t totally disagree with you guys that his performances on Idol this season haven’t been very… electric, I guess, but as someone who saw him play a full concert last month, sweating it out in a 3-piece suit, using the guitar every song, his live performances at least off-Idol’s TV lenses definitely still have that spark, that joy, that passion that comes across full force in person.

    It’s not the suit or the guitar. Not sure what it is. Maybe he learned to work the TV cameras during his Idol-run, but it’s a different beast honing your live shows and that direct connection to audiences, and it’s hard for him to switch back to the TV mode for these one-off performances after 150+ shows where he’s focused on just what works live…?

    ETA: Don’t get me wrong, I actually thought he sounded great on DYFAM last night, but I saw that song live at the Concert for Hope last month, and the entire theater of nearly 1800 people lost their collective shit. WIth no comparison, I’d say it was a solid performance last night, but since I can compare, it was about 1000 times better at the C4H… not sure what it is. I actually think maybe he was just being respectful- he’s said before that the finale is about the top 2, not the guest performers… especially since he was doing the boot song in front of a video montage of the season. So perhaps he felt the performance was about S10, and he was just the soundtrack, and not a showcase for him…?

    Not sure what’s going on with TLG. The video was JUST released. I can’t imagine the label switching singles now? What was the timeline for the FYE release, FYE video release, and switch to WWFM for Adam?

  • mmb

    I love David c but last night watching him sing dyfam I though “man, cook has lost his mojo!”. I don’t know what it is. He doesn’t seem to be enjoying himself in his two idol performances. I saw him live once and he was all over the stage, having a great time. But the two performances I’ve seen this era ( granted not a huge sample size) have been so reserved. I’m sure he is feeling a lot of pressure but hope he loosens up and regains some of his oomph

  • Zastine4974

    LOL at all the criticism of Cook’s performance last night. He was still 100 times better than the rest of the finale. What a snoozefest.

    Considering he has been going non-stop for the last 2 weeks with promo, the vid release, the Simon Fuller thing, talking all day to reporters, and all the traveling last week, it surprised me had a voice.

    Idol was the one that dictated what David did. They do the blocking for the TV camera. It doesn’t always allow for “working the stage” like he would like. If you have ever seen a live show then you know this is not the real David. Idol is the ones that decided to cut the song short and show a distracting vid behind him. This was not about David.

  • MollyAnnMay

    fadedtowhite great post. I’m right there with you. I said before I expect him to sell one album (and one single, I guess) — to me. Once that happened, my expectations were met. I don’t have any others as far as numbers go.

    I do have expectations for the music, and those have been fully met with the two new songs from the recent concert, plus Paper Heart. I think I’m going to love the music on the album.

    As for the performance last night, I agree he was somewhat muted (though he sounded great), but doesn’t anybody think he may have been told not to jump around too much? The focus of that last-before-the-winner-is-declared performance is, I assume, the video of all the contestant and the recap of the season, not the person singing the song. I mean, my sample size is limited, as I’ve watched exactly two finale shows (S7 on tape and S8 live), but I have no memory of the final song or the performer of it on either.

    Yes, it’s a nice perk, this performance, but it wasn’t about Cook. I just assumed he either felt that way himself, so didn’t want to draw attention, or was given that stage direction.

    And it’s not like he *can’t* rock out on the song — the performance at the D.C. concert was fantastic.

    ETA: I’ll also concede that while I may not be feeling any pressure, I’m betting Cook himself is, to a huge degree. So that could also play into the more muted performances on the larger stages. The radio concert performances have been very connected and passionate from what I’ve seen.

  • CindyM

    Not sure what’s going on with TLG. The video was JUST released. I can’t imagine the label switching singles now? What was the timeline for the FYE release, FYE video release, and switch to WWFM for Adam?

    FYE debuted on Ryan Seacrest’s show on 10/30/09. It went on sale on Itunes on 11/3/09. The video premiered on 11/24/09.

    WWFM was debuted on CHR syndicated show “Open House Party” on 11/14/09. It was added by the #1 CHR station in the country Z100 on 11/18/09 and by the #1 HAC station WPLJ on 11/23/09. KiisFM LA added it on 11/24/09. Kind of obvious that WWFM was the song the PD’s wanted because neither Z100 or Kiis added FYE. WWFM video premiered on VH1 on 1/15/2010.

    Very quick turnaround from FYE to WWFM.

  • sma11ie

    The [FYE] video premiered on 11/24/09.

    WWFM was debuted on CHR syndicated show “Open House Party” on 11/14/09.

    Wow, so WWFM was underway before the FYE vid even came out… That’s super quick.

  • Imkhemari

    Noticed that the idol songs for season 10 are charting on itunes. (I’ve posted these in the finale thread as well)

    These are at 5.33am ET
    the singles
    4. Like My Mother Does – Lauren Alaina
    5. I Love You This Big – Scotty McCreery

    and other songs …
    105. Amazed – Scotty McCreery
    110. If I Die Young – Lauren Alaina
    111. What Is And What Should Never Be – Haley Reinhart
    143. I Who Have Nothing – Haley Reinhart
    184. Gone – Scotty McCreery
    198. House of the Rising Sun – Haley Reinhart
    229. Bennie And The Jets – Haley Reinhart
    313. Anyway – Lauren Alaina
    321. Rolling In The Deep – Haley Reinhart
    386. Don’t Stop Believin’ – James Durbin
    396. Where Were You (When the World Stopped Turning) – Scotty McCreery
    557. Yoü and I – Haley Reinhart
    588. The River – Scotty McCreery
    595. Flat on the Floor – Lauren Alaina
    598. Earth Song – Haley Reinhart
    640. Can I Trust You With My Heart – Scotty McCreery
    705. Always On My Mind – Scotty McCreery
    739. Blue – Haley Reinhart
    747. Piece Of My Heart – Haley Reinhart
    750. Will You Still Love Me Tomorrow – James Durbin
    792. Maybe I’m Amazed – James Durbin
    832. Uprising – James Durbin
    844. Love Potion No. 9 – James Durbin
    869. The Climb – Lauren Alaina
    923. I Cross My Heart – Scotty McCreery
    968. Up On the Roof – Lauren Alaina & Scotty McCreery
    996. Without You – James Durbin
    997. Young Blood – Scotty McCreery

    Scotty and Lauren are of course doing well but looks like Haley’s sales are keeping up with songs a week old or more!

    ETA I should just say that other idolettes – mostly Casey – are charting also – but are below the cut-off point for the main chart (they appear on the top 1000 pop songs)

    And the various compilation albums are there as well!

  • luly

    Tim McGraw singing Live Like You Were Dying gave Kris’s Live Like W’ere Dying a sales bump:

    232. Live Like We’re Dying – Kris Allen

  • Incipit

    Not expecting much by way of spin news out of this weekend. Midwest stations have been busy w/Severe Weather updates and damage bulletins, music took a back seat – And Memorial Day Weekend will have the usual special radio holiday weekend stuff.

    JMO. Of Course.