Jennifer Hudson remains on the top of the Idol Album chart. Mandisa’s second week features an extremely low first to second week drop (typically around 60-70% these days, but she only experienced a 24% drop). The Grand Magnolias see a 212% increase with Paul’s boot.

Albums (USA Today)
19 Jennifer Hudson “I Remember Me” 21K (-32%; lw 31K) Total: 273K (11)
110 Mandisa “What If We Were Real” 6K (-24%; lw 8K) Total: ~14K (66)
Mandisa “Freedom” 3K (2%; lw 3K) Total: 149K
Daughtry “Daughtry” 2K (+6%)
Grand Magnolias “Grand Magnolias” 2K (+212%) Total: 8K

This is the daily numbers thread. Please post numbers as you find them. Thanks.

 
  • tripp_ncwy

    Mediabase (rolling)

    US

    AC
    3 3 DAUGHTRY September 1458 1460 -2 10.09
    24 22 MATTHEW MORRISON Summer Rain 135 117 18 0.651

    HAC

    45 34 JASON ALDEAN/KELLY CLARKSON Don’t You Wanna Stay 354 229 125 1.686
    33 37 GLEE CAST Loser Like Me 346 341 5 0.635
    52 46 JENNIFER LOPEZ F/PITBULL On The Floor 205 174 31 0.736

    All Access – Impacting Songs Hot AC – David Cook “The Last Goodbye” May 2, 2011

    Country

    Top 40
    14 9 JENNIFER LOPEZ F/PITBULL On The Floor 6907 5999 908 44.45
    50 47 GLEE CAST Loser Like Me 559 504 55 1.738

    Urban
    17 18 JENNIFER HUDSON Where You At 1535 1622 -87 7.992

    Urban AC
    3 3 JENNIFER HUDSON Where You At 1760 1765 -5 11.28
    49 25 FANTASIA Collard Greens & Cor… 283 52 231 1.496
    29 35 CHARLIE WILSON I Wanna Be Your Man … 140 191 -51 0.613
    41 36 JENNIFER HUDSON Don’t Look Down 119 85 34 1.741

    Rhythmic
    19 20 JENNIFER LOPEZ F/PITBULL On The Floor 1666 1553 113 8.069

    Canadian

    Top 40
    4 3 JENNIFER LOPEZ F/PITBULL On The Floor 1432 1224 208 11.854

    HAC
    6 4 JENNIFER LOPEZ F/PITBULL On The Floor 845 753 92 5.754

    Main-AC
    11 15 DAUGHTRY September 184 226 -42 1.33
    51 48 JASON ALDEAN/KELLY CLARKSON Don’t You Wanna Stay 67 65 2 1.047

    Country
    6 12 JASON ALDEAN/KELLY CLARKSON Don’t You Wanna Stay 546 661 -115 2.266

    Christian AC
    3 2 MANDISA Stronger 1259 1175 84 4.887
    19 20 JASON CASTRO You Are 308 405 -97 1.201
    29 29 CHRIS SLIGH One 202 193 9 0.788

  • larc

    The Last Goodbye is #76 on iTunes. This Loud Morning album presales at Amazon #73 with a down arrow currently.

    It will be interesting to see what kind of bump these numbers get after Cookie sings tomorrow night. :)

  • http://emuisemo.pbworks.com eilonwy

    It’s Twitter follower power list time. Among the prominent departees, Toscano gained another 11%, putting her at almost 120k followers, while McDonald picked up 22%, taking him to 83k. His “bye bye boost” was considerably smaller than hers.

    Follower numbers
    Same old, same old, with widening gaps.

    McCreery, Scott 93,153
    Abrams, Casey 85,633
    Lauren Alaina 75,593
    Durbin, James 64,324
    Langone, Stefano 57,261
    Reinhart, Haley 48,897
    Lusk, Jacob 34,888

    Percentage gain
    Average percentage gain is 15%, or the smallest so far.

    Reinhart, Haley 20.55%
    Lauren Alaina 18.63%
    Durbin, James 15.31%
    McCreery, Scott 13.82%
    Langone, Stefano 12.85%
    Abrams, Casey 11.94%
    Lusk, Jacob 10.08%

    This is the first week in which the total number of followers for singers still in the game was smaller than the prior week (by just 2%).

  • larc

    Speaking of twitter followers, Adam Lambert is closing in on 1M fast. He’s currently at 995,150 and gaining about 1200 a day. He should go over this weekend.

  • girlygirl

    Scotty and Casey have gone past Lee in number of twitter followers. What about Pia, Paul, Thia and Naima — are they gaining or losing followers now that they’re off AI?

  • Eileen99

    McCreery, Scott 93,153

    Lusk, Jacob 34,888

    I find this huge gap interesting. I don’t think there’s any way to know if it’s indicative of across-the-board popularity differences, or his fan base being less/not active on social network sites for whatever reason. If he gets voted off this week, maybe it’s just about general popularity. I tend to think of his style of singing as not appealing much to a younger demographic that would be more likely to be on sites like Twitter, but idk.

  • Mel1

    Going by Adam’s twitter followers, I don’t think you can equate followers = fan base. E.g., Adam has four times as many followers than Kris and five times as many as Cook. I think both David and Kris have bigger fan bases than Adam (esp David).

    I do think that the majority of the followers are young. Jordin, who is second to Adam (in the idol world), got the bulk of her followers when she opened for the Jonas Bros (young followers). Archie is third. Many people concluded the reason Adam’s followers has been growing so rapidly (again in the idol world), is they are mostly young, with international fans thrown in.

    So, if you can make the correlation above with this season’s contestants, my conclusion is more twitterers are young and follow the younger contestants. And that doesn’t necessarily translate to buying albums or attend concerts (Archie, Jordin).

  • Trina

    Mel1 why do you think Kris has a bigger fanbase than Adam? I never put much stock in internet activity to determine how huge someones fanbase truly is, but in this case sales certainly tell a different story. I dont think David’s CURRENT fanbase is bigger than Adam’s either. But yeah Chris Daughtry doesnt have as many followers as Archie and Jordin but he keeps selling.

    BTW All Access is listing May 2nd as TLG going for adds on HAC.

  • tripp_ncwy

    Crystal sales;

    davidbendeth:

    2043 sold total is 184,246

  • springboard

    McCreery, Scott 93,153

    Lusk, Jacob 34,888

    Jacob comes last in most internet polls and indicators, so I think that he has a low proportion of internet based fans, otherwise he would have already been eliminated, and he wasn’t even bottom 3 last week.

  • http://emuisemo.pbworks.com eilonwy

    Scotty and Casey have gone past Lee in number of twitter followers. What about Pia, Paul, Thia and Naima — are they gaining or losing followers now that they’re off AI?

    Toscano had her 159% gain the week following her boot and then picked up 11% this week, so she’s at almost 120k. McDonald gained only 22% post-boot, to put him at ~83k.

    I’ve only casually glanced at the earlier booties to notice that they did not get whompus bye-bye boosts the way Toscano did. As of right about now, Naima Adedapo is at 23,874, which is a lot higher than what she left with (spreadsheet now lives at home, so I’ll add some detail with tomorrow’s overnight numbers). Thia Megia’s at 48,132, which I believe is a gain, but again, I’ll confirm tomorrow morning.

  • tripp_ncwy

    Brian single track sales:

    Jennifer Lopez feat. Pitbull, On the Floor (125,000 weekly, +4%, 1.234 million total)
    Jason Aldean/Kelly Clarkson, Don’t You Wanna Stay (59,000, +64%, 1.092 million)
    Rihanna, California King Bed (22,000, +231%, 51,000)
    Jennifer Hudson, Where You At (7,000, -15%, 93,000)
    Mandisa, Stronger (6,000, +10%, 12,000)
    Carrie Underwood, Undo It (5,000, -38%, 1.063 million)

    http://content.usatoday.com/communities/idolchatter/post/2011/04/idol-track-sales-jennifer-lopez-kelly-clarkson-and-more/1

  • tinawina

    Jacob comes last in most internet polls and indicators, so I think that he has a low proportion of internet based fans, otherwise he would have already been eliminated, and he wasn’t even bottom 3 last week.

    IA. Jacob seems to be much stronger than anyone gives him credit for. He only touched the B3 the week he made that dumb comment, other than that he’s been golden. I don’t think R&B/gospel type contestants get strong internet followings as a rule anyway.

  • sma11ie

    Adam has four times as many followers than Kris and five times as many as Cook. I think both David and Kris have bigger fan bases than Adam (esp David).

    I’m with Trina. I don’t think that’s true in either case at all.

  • Eileen99

    IA. Jacob seems to be much stronger than anyone gives him credit for. He only touched the B3 the week he made that dumb comment, other than that he’s been golden. I don’t think R&B/gospel type contestants get strong internet followings as a rule anyway.

    That’s my thinking, too. I am always surprised when he’s *not* in the bottom 3 since he doesn’t seem to have a lot of online fan presence. Only one person on my feed is voting for him, and she’s primarily a country music fan but loves gospel singing.

  • http://www.twilightslo.com Mateja

    Val 202, 2nd radio channel of Slovenian national broadcaster, played Adam’s “Sleepwalker” less than an hour ago, just before 6pm CET. It totally caught be by surprise. I guess “Sleepwalker” was released as a single in Germany?

  • Mel1

    Trina, I’m going by S8 voting results. Kris won by a landslide, as did Cook. Cook’s fans were album buyers and concert goers, Kris fans neither. Adam may have more international fans than David, but I still think David has a bigger fan base in the US.

  • Oksana2000

    Not all of the Twitter followers are fans, in Adam case I find many that are exactly the opposite.

    I do think that the majority of the followers are young. Jordin, who is second to Adam (in the idol world), got the bulk of her followers when she opened for the Jonas Bros (young followers). Archie is third. Many people concluded the reason Adam’s followers has been growing so rapidly (again in the idol world), is they are mostly young, with international fans thrown in.

    Mel1, thank you… :-)

  • Incipit

    Please correct me if I’m mistaken, but I thought that Idol Twitter exercise was more an indicator of interest in contestants, and perhaps, may correlate to voting trends even if they will not to post-season buyers?

    I think it’s been pretty well established that Twitter followers do not monetize, when it comes to purchasers…there is no parity.

  • sma11ie

    Mel1, I think it depends on how you define “fanbase”. Since it has “base” in it, I’m assuming it comprises of the stable, “not-going-anywhere” fans, not the fickle, casual, oh hey I like that guy fans. Cook’s 1.3 million album buyers comprises of mostly the latter, and it’s been 3 years since he won AI, which was the peak of his popularity. I think Adam’s fanbase is bigger right now, possibly even in the U.S.

    I didn’t know Kris won by a landslide. AI votes are not 1 vote per person anyway, and also, a lot of Kris’ voters could’ve been those fickle, kinda like that guy casual “fans” that I would not consider “in” his fanbase.

  • JazzRocks

    Going by Adam’s twitter followers, I don’t think you can equate followers = fan base. E.g., Adam has four times as many followers than Kris and five times as many as Cook. I think both David and Kris have bigger fan bases than Adam (esp David).

    I don’t buy this. I’m not sure about David but I very much doubt that Kris’s fanbase is anywhere near as large as Adam’s judging by sales & concert attendance.

  • http://emuisemo.pbworks.com eilonwy

    Please correct me if I’m mistaken, but I thought that Idol Twitter exercise was more an indicator of interest in contestants, and perhaps, may correlate to voting trends even if they will not to post-season buyers?

    That was the intent of collecting the data. What seems to be happening is that “interest” in the singers does not have a particularly strong match with voting to support their product.

    McDonald was third for followers when he was booted. Anecdotally, people have mentioned following him because they found his tweets amusing, even though they didn’t especially like his music. Toscano and Megia were both in the middle of the pack at their boots.

    Twitter follower numbers seem to measure ability to attract Twitter followers.

  • Eileen99

    My original comment was on twitter followers of the contestants and how those relate to votes, not what happens with twitter followers one or two years after the season is over.

  • sr4mjc

    McDonald was third for followers when he was booted. Anecdotally, people have mentioned following him because they found his tweets amusing, even though they didn’t especially like his music. Toscano and Megia were both in the middle of the pack at their boots.

    This is me. Paul was fun on twitter, not really my fav though. Thia was annoying on twitter, had to unfollow. Pia isn’t much more interesting on twitter than she was on the stage.

  • Trina

    Trina, I’m going by S8 voting results. Kris won by a landslide, as did Cook.

    LOL Taylor got a hell of a lot more votes than Chris Daughtry for that matter! Votes that happen during AI have very little impact on fanbase post Idol.

  • tinawina

    Twitter follower numbers seem to measure ability to attract Twitter followers.

    Pretty much. LOL. It means something of course, but no one seems to know exactly what outside what you just said.

    Do we even know the demographics of who uses twitter, and/or who follows celebrities in particular on twitter?

    I think there is some mysterious combination of pop culture presence + interesting tweets + hardcore fans involved myself.

  • larc

    Mel1 says:
    I’m going by S8 voting results. Kris won by a landslide, as did Cook. Cook’s fans were album buyers and concert goers, Kris fans neither. Adam may have more international fans than David, but I still think David has a bigger fan base in the US.

    Not trying to beat a dead horse here, but those who vote for contestant A as a means of voting against contestant B aren’t necessarily fans of contestant A. Real fans translate into sales, IMO. In fact, that’s the only thing I know of that proves their strength. All the rest is conjecture.

  • Elliegrll

    Not all of the Twitter followers are fans, in Adam case I find many that are exactly the opposite.

    That’s the case with everyone.

    Someone who doesn’t tweet a lot,, just re=tweets what other people post, or who just uses twitter to glad hand potential voters isn’t going to have as many followers as someone who has a reputation for tweeting a lot, posting funny or entertaining tweets and pictures.

    Jacob is a horrible tweeter, but even if he wasn’t, internet polls don’t mean a thing. The poll that was on this site the week that Pia was eliminated only had 1000 participants, the one on Tvline.com was about the same, and the two sites probably had some of the same voters. All 20 million viewers don’t vote, but we would need a much bigger survey pool to determine how many fans anyone has.

  • Kitwana

    Twitter follower numbers seem to measure ability to attract Twitter followers.

    So conversely, a low number of twitter followers measures a lack of ability to attract twitter followers. This begs the question why? Particularly where a person tweets regularly. That is the question I want answered. Also, is it ever an advantage to have 100,000 rather than 500,000 or 1 million followers?

  • http://emuisemo.pbworks.com eilonwy

    Do we even know the demographics of who uses twitter, and/or who follows celebrities in particular on twitter?

    The most recent information I’ve been able to find is from mid-2009. If one scoffs at the Morgan Stanley Teens Don’t Use Twitter report, there is a more detailed Nielsen survey that found teens to be substantially under-represented on Twitter.

    There’s an interesting survey here on why teens don’t love Twitter. (“It’s lame” does come up.)

    Note that the results follow the pattern that most Twitter users don’t use it very much at all. (Maybe 30% of Twitter users have anything resembling an active account.) One conclusion we can safely draw is that people who are highly active on Twitter are unusual for Twitter users, which makes it likely they’re also not a typical cross-section of the U.S. population.

  • Incipit

    Twitter follower numbers seem to measure ability to attract Twitter followers.

    Heh. True, Eilonwy. So the collected data shows Twitter following has no connection to either votes or to post Idol sales. As a tool, it’s pretty much been a bust – as many marketers have found out…but it seems to provide entertainment and news value – (when it can be believed) and money in someone’s pocket, so it has a function, I suppose.

  • Listening

    I’ve been thinking about this for a while about the benefits of twitter followers besides enlarging ones internet presence when they get trends going and spreading any news about the artist. I believe one huge asset of twitter followers is in regards to charity they appear truly dedicated in assisting artists in their chosen charities. I was looking at Adam Lambert’s charity about donors for water and his group amassed like 350K an incredible amount of money he had nearly a million followers whereas David right now is close to 80K w/ only nearly 200K followers. I’d like to make a side note that that’s actually a little low for the past 2 years there was more than 100K raised each year. But don’t get me wrong 80K is still awesome and there’s still time.

    I was like if you adjust for the number of twitter followers David actually has compared to Adam Lambert’s his group is doing just as well. I think it’s Awesome that both of them encourage charity efforts.

  • tinawina

    The most recent information I’ve been able to find is from mid-2009. If one scoffs at the Morgan Stanley Teens Don’t Use Twitter report, there is a more detailed Nielsen survey that found teens to be substantially under-represented on Twitter.

    There’s an interesting survey here on why teens don’t love Twitter. (“It’s lame” does come up.)

    Great info! Thanks for that.

    It seems younger people still prefer Facebook (and I would suspect texting and BBMs too)… is there any noticeable difference between the contestants’ popularity on Twitter vs Facebook? Hmm…

    As a tool, it’s pretty much been a bust – as many marketers have found out…but it seems to provide entertainment and news value – (when it can be believed) and money in someone’s pocket, so it has a function, I suppose.

    I don’t think its a bust. It seems to be a great way to keep a fanbase engaged and/or get information out quickly. So there’s that.

  • Oksana2000

    I was like if you adjust for the number of twitter followers David actually has compared to Adam Lambert’s his group is doing just as well. I think it’s Awesome that both of them encourage charity efforts.

    listening, if we go by ratio of Twitter followers to money raised for charity, Justin Bieber with his nearly 9 million followers should raised a little bit more than 46,000 he collected so far for his charity:water, don’t you think?

  • Zastine4974

    Why are we even comparing Lambert with Cook. Cook was not on twitter during his season, Lambert was. Cook wasn’t promoted overseas, Lambert was. Seems to me like someone that hasn’t even been on twitter the same amount of time would be at a total numbers disadvantage when compared with someone who was on during the season they were in front of 20 plus million people each week. Carrie Underwood isn’t even on twitter, yet she has sold way more than Lambert. Twitter is nothing more than a social network and has nothing to do with sales.

  • Oksana2000

    Twitter is nothing more than a social network and has nothing to do with sales.

    Amen.

    Why are we even comparing Lambert with Cook

    So we can stop comparing Lambert with Allen…. :-)

  • tinawina

    I tried to look up how big the S10 contestants’ Facebook followings are to compare with the Twitter following but it seems I can’t find official pages for them. Did they not set that up for the contestants this year? Or am I looking in the wrong places.

  • http://emuisemo.pbworks.com eilonwy

    Twitter is nothing more than a social network and has nothing to do with sales.

    What’s puzzling about this phenomenon is that music industry pundits like Bob Lefsetz have been banging the “must interact constantly with fans!” drum so loudly that surely, if constant interaction was the key to selling music, we would see some kind of match between Twitter followers and sales.

    So conversely, a low number of twitter followers measures a lack of ability to attract twitter followers. This begs the question why? Particularly where a person tweets regularly. That is the question I want answered.

    Months ago, I’d taken a look at the top 20 or so in Billboard’s Social Media 50 (who were basically the big pop sellers of that moment) and noticed that maybe three of them use Twitter to interact with fans (a larger number use it to send self-promotional tweets and chatter publicly with fellow musicians). One (Taylor Swift) had a truly active messageboard on her official site.

    So having lots of followers isn’t a result of fan interaction, and at the major-label level, it may not be a measure of having interesting tweets. Follower count seems to grow with general celeb-style publicity, which means I’d predict musicians/bands whose profiles are “musician” rather than “celebrity” to have fewer followers.

    And of course, we don’t know how much of follower count comes from never cleaning out spam followers.

  • Chicagolaw

    Just to clarify, Season 8 contestants were NOT on twitter during their season (thank goodness). This has been the first season of Idol to allow the singers to utilize twitter while competing.

  • Listening

    Oksana2000, Oh man that is a serious discrepancy in money raised and the number of followers. Apparently much more is going into this beside pure number of followers. Some people have suggested the demographic of the followers such as age i’ll throw out possessing expendable money, as well as moral awareness simply meaning consciousness of the needs of others. Another factor I see in how much money an artist can gather for their charity is how involved they are w/ the charity. I know Adam has tweeted about his charities multiple times and made little vids about it. And David well we now how closely he’s affected by his charity, he’s been a speaker and a runner, given away stuff for auctions, now he’s even holding a concert extremely involved.

    Zastine4974,I only brought David and Adam up b/c of an observation they just seem the most visible in their charity efforts to me w/ such tremendous results. I surmised it was do to the number of twitter followers but now conclude it must be more than that. It’s just been on my mind recently the correlation between twitter followers and charity money raised along w/ music sales. Anyway I totally agree David was at disadvantage in attaining fans b/c he got on twitter after his season. I think it was a year later and by then most of the super fervor around his idol experiences had died down. Another problem he had is for the longest time he actively stated he wasn’t getting on twitter so that when he actually did people didn’t believe it was him. Now that that’s over w/ it’s gonna be a slow and steady build to his twitter follower count. I imagine his follower count is gonna have a big jump once his new album is out though.

  • tinawina

    Okay, Season 10 Facebook page followers;

    Scotty McCreery 68,222
    James Durbun 33,967
    Casey Abrams 31,014
    Lauren Alaina 23,090
    Stefano Langone 17,327
    Haley Reinhart 13,594
    Jacob Lusk 12,208

    Pia Toscano 34,501
    Paul McDonald 25,729

    Damn @ Scotty.

    And bringing over the Twitter followers posted on the last page:
    McCreery, Scott 93,153
    Abrams, Casey 85,633
    Lauren Alaina 75,593
    Durbin, James 64,324
    Langone, Stefano 57,261
    Reinhart, Haley 48,897
    Lusk, Jacob 34,888

    Things to note:

    Scotty still wins. Jacob still loses. Haley and Stefano still lag behind as well. Lauren is much weaker on Facebook. James and Casey look decent but still aren’t as strong as Scotty.

  • sr4mjc

    Season 8 wasn’t on Twitter during the season. That’s a good thing.

    But speaking of charities or support, Adam tweeted out another one today and crashed their server, LOL. Friendfactor.org

    I don’t understand any Cookie/Adam comparisons either.

  • Trina

    Biebers followers may not be flocking to donate on his behalf but they sure do spend money on him considering how his movie, concerts and albums have sold. Pretty sure in that area he kicks both Adam and David’s asses. Till this day Clay, even with crap CD sales and poor concert attendance has fans who will donate thousands and thousands to his charitable efforts.

    Why does David need a slow build to his Twitter count? I really don’t understand why this is something important. Chris D. has less than Kris, Jordin, Archie and some others yet he’s outselling them. I doubt he or RCA cares if he has a million followers. My very fave person on twitterr is Rob Thomas and he has a modest amount of followers.

  • sr4mjc

    Love Rob Thomas on Twitter! And George Michael.

  • musicality

    Cook was not on twitter during his season, Lambert was. Cook wasn’t promoted overseas, Lambert was. Seems to me like someone that hasn’t even been on twitter the same amount of time would be at a total numbers disadvantage when compared with someone who was on during the season they were in front of 20 plus million people each week.

    Lambert wasn’t on twitter during his season either. Season 8 and 9 were not allowed to be on twitter during their run. Lambert signed up for twitter one month before Cook did. So by your logic Cook should reach 1 million followers in one months time. Cook wasn’t promoted overseas because he didn’t generate the same level of interest Lambert did overseas. RCA/Sony gauges the interest of a contestant overseas (Idol is broadcast overseas). There was a huge interest in Lambert internationally while he was on the show not so much for Cook. Cooks appeal is more domestic like Carrie (and as you can see by Carrie that’s not a bad thing). This has all been stated ad nasuem per Idol producers during Lamberts run. If there is international appeal for any of season 10s contestants than they’ll promote them internationally. RCA looks at ROI not at the personal feelings of the idols US fanbase.

    You can’t compare the two. Lambert appeals to a more international and younger audience than Cook who has a domestic fanbase. Lambert is more pop and Cook AC. It’s like trying to compare apples and oranges. Doesn’t make sense. Lambert of course will have more twitter and facebook followers because of his younger fans and international fans. Can’t say that really means anything. It’s neither good nor bad though it is a good way to get word out.

  • Listening

    David doesn’t need more followers I just like the idea of him having a lot, it simply looks cool. It just seems impressive makes you step back and go wow even if it means nothing, it’s just some kind of psychological mind game.

    ETA: Musicality, Zastine4974 is referring to the almost immediate time frame Adam Lambert got on twitter upon the ending of his season’s finale. Adam had all interest of his season going on he was in the news a lot b/c his season just ended. So he was right up there in people’s awareness whereas David got on twitter a year later after his season so everyone is focused on the season 8 contestants wondering what their twitter accounts are. Basically Adam Lambert struck while the iron was hot jumping on the twitter bandwagon while David jumped on the twitter bandwagon when the iron was simply warm. I’m of a similar opinion so I understand how Zastine4974 feels.

  • tinawina

    Why does David need a slow build to his Twitter count? I really don’t understand why this is something important.

    I think if anything it would be helpful to compare Cookie with Rob Thomas, Colbie Callait, Daughtry, etc when it comes to Twitter followers. Those are more the people in his musical realm. Ditto Google Trends and the like.

    I think Twitter is good for self promotion (its almost like having a street team at your fingertips) and for managing your own PR/controlling your image. But only if you can be interesting and authentic using the medium. If you can do that, it can help you forge a deeper connection with fans I think.

    ETA: Twitter fanwars are lame. Ugh.

    David doesn’t need more followers I just like the idea of him having a lot, it simply looks cool.

    Having more can never hurt!

  • soverymel

    The most recent information I’ve been able to find is from mid-2009

    You really can’t draw any conclusions from data on twitter from back in 2009. Back then it was just gaining a pop culture foothold, but in many ways it was still the realm of geeks and adventurous early adopters. It’s growth in the last couple years has exploded in such a way that there is no chance the demographics especially with regards to age have remained the same.

    http://techcrunch.com/2011/04/06/twitter-q1-stats/

    There does not seem to be any way to directly correlate twitter followers to either Idol votes or record sales. As far as record sales go, part of that may be because people who are computer literate enough to use twitter are more likely to know how to download music for free than the average person off the street. In addition, like others mentioned above the way an artist uses twitter can vary widely from person to person, so even if they have the exact same number of followers their results may be different.

    What is seems to provide is an opportunity to increase the “engagement” of an artist’s potential customer. The theory being that an engaged customer that feels some sort of connection to the artist may be more likely to buy rather than steal an artist’s music. Or may totally bittorrent the album, but will still buy tickets to the artist’s concert.

    But that seems pretty much impossible to quantify too. All other things being equal though, I’d rather have more twitter followers than less.

  • HR

    There are other social mediums apart from twitter. Facebook is one. Doesn’t Carrie dominate that one?

  • musicality

    Basically Adam Lambert struck while the iron was hot jumping on the twitter bandwagon while David jumped on the twitter bandwagon when the iron was simply warm.

    Then with his new CD coming out and the expected TV, radio & concert promotions he should be picking up a lot of followers in the comming months so based on this statement:

    David doesn’t need more followers I just like the idea of him having a lot, it simply looks cool.

    The person who wrote that won’t be pleased because David won’t look cool :)

  • gangreen29

    Season 8 wasn’t on Twitter during the season. That’s a good thing.

    Why? I don’t really see it as anything but an advantage for this group to have twitter now.

  • musicality

    Why? I don’t really see it as anything but an advantage for this group to have twitter now

    I’m more leaning toward agreeing with this. I think season ten has a huge advantage over past seasons with the use of social networking. It is allowing a more personal connection with the fans.

  • soverymel

    Why? I don’t really see it as anything but an advantage for this group to have twitter now.

    Because people don’t always tweet love and kisses. It’s likely that Idols who got a lot of vitriol online probably would have gotten it in their twitter @replies as well.

    And the fanwars that season were a bit ugly, not only afterwards but during the season itself. In the beginning of the season, people raked both Megan and Lil over the coals for their choices. If you look at the performance night threads, people were often merciless to Danny. And especially later in the season, there was a ton of resentment towards Adam because fans of others felt he got special treatment with performance slots, lighting and stairs.

    This season there doesn’t seem to be the same level of fanwar vitriol, although hey we’re only at Top 7 it could still happen, but the Idols that appear to have caught the most flack are Lauren and Jacob. I do wonder if such easy tempting access to what people are saying about them this season has been part of what seems to be a flagging of both of their spirits as the season has gone on.

    ETA: I do think it may benefit all of them in the long run to have amassed a bigger twitter following off the bat, but for some that may be at the cost of keeping their head in the game.

  • Oksana2000

    I don’t really know how to interpret Twitter numbers, but Bronx Zoo Cobra has over 243,000 followers and she isn’t even real….
    Charlie Sheen got himself 3.6 mil followers in a few weeks and not because he is so universally loved..
    Miley Cyrus after giving up on Twitter, decided to go back again after she realized that her popularity is not what it use to be. Now she wants to be connected with her fans. Frankly, I find her tweets boring.
    I’m lost…

  • sma11ie

    Fixed, in order for the statement in bold to hold true:

    Lambert wasn’t on twitter during his season either. Season 8 and 9 were not allowed to be on twitter during their run. Lambert signed up for twitter one month before Cook did. So by your logic Cook should reach 1 million followers in one months time. Cook wasn’t promoted overseas because he didn’t generate the same level of interest Lambert did overseas. RCA/Sony gauges the interest of a contestant overseas (Idol is broadcast overseas). There was a huge interest in Lambert internationally while he was on the show not so much for Cook. Cooks appeal is more domestic like Carrie (and as you can see by Carrie that’s not a bad thing). This has all been stated ad nasuem per Idol producers during Lamberts run. If there is international appeal for any of season 10s contestants than they’ll promote them internationally. RCA looks at ROI not at the personal feelings of the idols US fanbase.

    You can’t compare the two. Lambert appeals to a more international and younger audience than Cook who has a domestic fanbase. Lambert is more pop and Cook AC. It’s like trying to compare apples and oranges. Doesn’t make sense. Lambert of course will have more twitter and facebook followers because of his younger fans and international fans. Can’t say that really means anything. It’s neither good nor bad though it is a good way to get word out.

    Heh. That’s all.

  • musicality

    Smallie Every single word in that statment was true and easily verifiable. Eveyone knows season 10 is the only season allowed on twitter. Also as far as International interest again easily verifiable RCA already has stated this numerous times

  • sma11ie

    musicality, don’t read into it too much. I’m just deleting the comparisons, since, as you say in the middle, we “can’t compare the two”. Just restating your comment sans comparisons ;)

  • Joyed

    lol, sma11ie.

    I will say that the biggest benefit I have observed – besides the uncertain value of staying in touch with fans – is that the media now has a quick way to check up on news about the artist from the artist themselves.

    A few years ago, for David Cook’s interviews, you could tell the radio people were reading bad Wiki and fact sheets they found after googling online in order to ask “relevant” questions.

    Now, with twitter, in recent interviews they have asked David about specific things he is actually involved with that they read about on his twitter feed. I think that is a really unique benefit for any artist, having this new social media, that the media actually takes into account. I mean, we now see tweets quoted for news articles, whereas before, I really don’t recall most blogs making the same kind of constant splash.

    I think twitter has become a go-to place for breaking news and just lots of news in general. That, IMO is the true benefit for anyone on twitter.

  • hypertwink

    Tiresome.

  • musicality

    don’t read into it too much. I’m just deleting the comparisons, since, as you say in the middle, we “can’t compare the two”. Just restating your comment sans comparisons

    Gotcha :)

    I agree. They are so different that comparisons are exhausting. They both do well in their own little niche.

  • sr4mjc

    Why? I don’t really see it as anything but an advantage for this group to have twitter now.

    S8 would have been nasty. Heck, S5 would have been awful. There doesn’t seem to be the hate this season as S8. Now I haven’t searched the @replies for all the contestants, but twitter can be pretty awful. Maybe S10 is lucky.

  • limi

    Back to the sales #’s, has anyone seen the sales this week for Glam Nation Live dvd/cd, it must be over 25,000, or an update on FYE numbers?

    Thanks in advance

  • soverymel

    Back to the sales #’s, has anyone seen the sales this week for Glam Nation Live dvd/cd, it must be over 25,000, or an update on FYE numbers?

    I think RCA Ed is pretty busy with Cook’s launch, I doubt we’ll get numbers for awhile.

  • Incipit

    Eveyone knows season 10 is the only season allowed on twitter.

    Well, no. Season 9 is the one where Idol PTB experimented with the social apps. They were really playing it by ear, though – the contestants started out with individual twitter accounts – in fact, they arranged Twitter, Facebook, and Myspace pages for them, in an official capacity, and listed the addys.

    It struck me odd at the time – since they didn’t want people using iTunes as a popularity bar- but this counting followers was OK? Andrew Garcia had an unbelievable Facebook edge – but it turned out not to matter – not enough.

    However, it didn’t last – they took it to pieces somewhere in the beginning of March that year, and changed it to an umbrella account with a group address like they used this year.

    It still strikes me as odd – the show advises not to read about oneself on the web – but this handful of nervous newbies are being thrown into the internet swamps of insanity, full of Posting Rodents of Unusual Size? WTF?

    I’ll be interested to see if they keep with it next year, or tweak the whole idea even further.

  • leome

    I think Adam has a lot of followers because besides being a musician he is a “celebrity” person and someone who’s talked about a lot and many people are interested in his private life and “scandals”.
    Of course it helped that he joined twitter after S8 when everything was hot. It helped Kris too. I remember Ryan twitting his followers to follow Adam and Kris, and that sure gave them a great boost, seeing as Ryan has loads of followers. But people are interested in his life and that’s something twitter is for too.
    Cook belongs with the likes of Chris Daughtry and Rob Thomas, like someone mentioned. They don’t have exactly exciting private lives that are public, and all in all, it’s not so exciting to follow them. (I don’t mean they don’t have interesting twitters, rob Thomas is rather funny btw).
    But yeah, in the end we know it means little about sales and the likes.

  • n3mover

    Oksana2000 said: Oh man that is a serious discrepancy in money raised and the number of followers. Apparently much more is going into this beside pure number of followers.

    Yes, much more than twitter. Clay Aiken’s foundation, National Inclusion Project, raises between $300,00.00 and $500,000.00 in one day, based on the annual Gala. The rest of the funding comes from corporate sponsors and individual gifts, plus fund raising all year. Very little of that has to do with twitter, and twitter would be of limited use for the foundation. They get much more attention from major Health and Education institutions. I’m sure Twitter would be useful for getting information out, but not for fund raising.

  • girlygirl

    What I’ve noticed is that the older Idols (that is S8 and before) tend to use twitter more as a promotional tool or to use it to stay in touch with their fans and let them know what they are up to without actually having a lot of real personal interaction with them (for instance, neither Kris nor Adam hold twitter parties anymore except if they are really bored and they only occasionally respond to fan tweets). they aren’t using twitter to have a lot of actual conversations with people they don’t know. The S9 and S10 Idols whose twitter pages I have bothered to look at (I don’t follow any of the S9 or S10 Idols except Paul) seem to be more into twitter parties and chatting with the fans (as well as having the annoying habit of re-tweeting every compliment they get (something that gets annoying REAL QUICK) ).

    There are a lot of other social networking platforms. A lot of my twitter friends are heavily into tumblr or Facebook and I’ve noticed that Adam and Kris have been tweeting pics from this “who says” site (I’m not sure what that site is all about). But again, I’m not seeing a lot of personal interaction with the fans from the ex-Idols who have been off the show for a few years.

    I doubt if the number of followers anyone has on twitter has much correlation to album and/or singles sales, but the site is still a good promotional tool if used well.

  • larc

    Oksana2000 says:
    if we go by ratio of Twitter followers to money raised for charity, Justin Bieber with his nearly 9 million followers should raised a little bit more than 46,000 he collected so far for his charity:water, don’t you think?

    Bieber’s fans can’t get into their piggybanks to donate to his charities. Their parents won’t let them.

  • Oksana2000

    n3mover, I didn’t say that, Listening said.

  • Oksana2000

    Bieber’s fans can’t get into their piggybanks to donate to his charities. Their parents won’t let them.

    True, true. Mommy and Daddy already spent $$$ for CD, movies, souvenirs and other crap that goes directly into Bieber pocket. Why bother with charity.
    What I was trying to say is that number of followers has nothing to do with the amount given to charity.

  • fuzzywuzzy

    I will say that the biggest benefit I have observed – besides the uncertain value of staying in touch with fans – is that the media now has a quick way to check up on news about the artist from the artist themselves.

    I think that this is probably the best benefit of Twitter to anyone, for the most up to date information for PR purposes, both for media and fans.

  • cher

    limi says:
    04/20/2011 at 4:27 pm
    Back to the sales #’s, has anyone seen the sales this week for Glam Nation Live dvd/cd, it must be over 25,000, or an update on FYE numbers?

    limi, I read this earlier today:

    Nielson SoundScan sales numbers have been released for last week and Adam Lambert’s Glam Nation Live DVD has just passed the halfway mark towards reaching RIAA gold status. Because it was registered as a DVD release, Glam Nation Live only needs to sell 50,000 units to obtain RIAA gold certification. With 2000 units sold last week, the total sales are now at 26,000 units.

  • limi

    Thanks so much I just read the same thing 2 seconds ago. I appreciate the response to my question.
    I’d like to find the updated FYE numbers, but I know that will be harder until RCAed gets “chatty” again.

  • music78girl

    So with the talk about twitter followers today, I thought it would be interesting to see how many “like”s the past Idol contestants had on Facebook. Here’s the list I came up with:

    Carrie Underwood 4,726,013
    Jennifer Hudson 2,113,228
    Kelly Clarkson 2,013,023
    Daughtry 1,750,531
    Fantasia 1,681,494
    David Archuleta 1,604,615
    Adam Lambert 1,335,782
    Jordin Sparks 603,386
    Kris Allen 571,501
    David Cook 550,383
    Kellie Pickler 230,921
    Danny Gokey 188,467
    Crystal Bowersox 176,724
    Lee DeWyze 106,278
    Jason Castro 92,404
    Katharine McPhee 72,192
    Casey James 57,622
    Blake Lewis 34,904
    Elliot Yamin 27,424
    Clay Aiken 16,397
    Bo Bice 5,984
    Taylor Hicks* 4,807
    Melinda Doolittle 1,620
    Diana DeGarmo 1,549
    Justin Guarini 1,155
    Reuben Studdard 818

    I have an * next to Taylor because he doesn’t have a Fan page. He just has a personal page and has 4,807 friends so I went ahead and included that.

    I used the top two finishers from each season and any other Idols that popped into my head at 1am. If your favorite is not here, I meant no disrespect, it’s just that I’m sleepy and this took longer than I thought it would lol.

    It would be interesting to see a comparison of twitter followers to facebook likes. There are so many ways to communicate with fans but I think that FB and twitter are the most utilized by musicians at large currently. As to what these numbers mean in the long run for an artist’s career…I have no idea.