Idol Headlines for 8/8/14

American Idol 14 auditions will be held today at the Illinois State Fair.

American Idol season 8 winner, Kris Allen, is set to play an online StageIt show on the August 12, the release day of his upcoming album, Horizons. Click to buy a ticket.

‘It’s feels so good be back:’ American Idol runner-up Jena Irene gearing up for show in Mount Pleasant – “I was so excited when we pulled into Soaring Eagle today, I was up first thing in the morning,” said this season’s American Idol runner-up from Farmington Hills, talking with the press before tonight’s show in the casino’s outdoor arena. “As soon as I opened the bus door, I knew I was back in Michigan. There’s a certain smell, I don’t know how to explain it, but it’s summer time in Michigan and it feels so good to be back.” – Read more at MLive.com

‘Idol’ talk: TV show champ Cook will perform Aug. 15 in Ottawa – “Music has always been a way for me to connect,” Cook said in a recent phone interview with The Times. “From an early age, I watched my dad play guitar and both my parents listened to a variety of music. I was brought up on a steady diet of country and classic rock, so music was always around and a connection point to other people.” – Read more at MyWebTime.com

Chris Daughtry playing Holmdel – “After making a couple of albums, you can’t help but move in a different direction,” Daughtry said. “Hopefully you grow and I think we have with this album. I think you can see my sense of humor on this one. It was a great experience writing these songs. My wife and children served as the muse behind many of the songs.” It’s a nice change in direction for Daughtry, who has certainly made his share of brooding post-grunge tracks. “Baptized” exercises a new set of muscles for Daughtry. “We all felt good doing something a little different,” Daughtry said. “It works for us.” – Read more at App.com

‘The Voice’ Alum RaeLynn Reveals the Best Advice Pal Miranda Lambert Gave Her – The bubbly Texan gives credit to Scott Borchetta, the head of the Big Machine Label Group, for allowing her the time to find herself musically. “Right when I got off of the show, I was 18 and I moved to Nashville,” she says. “I began writing every day. I was literally giving Scott a CD every week of songs I was writing. He just saw me progressing as a writer. I had no idea who I was musically then. I thought I did, but I didn’t. I am so thankful they gave me that time.” – Read more at Billboard.com

Derek Hough on How He Got His Start on Dancing With the Stars – I talked to Mark about it. I knew it would be a big transition—relocating my life from London to America. While I was mulling it over, Mark got a call, too. He had sent in an audition tape and they were interested in him as well. “Dude, if we’re going to do this, then let’s do it together,” I told him. So that was it. We literally just packed our guitars and one suitcase apiece, and boarded a plane. I was aware that being on a live TV show in front of millions of people every week would likely change my life forever. I went into it very excited but also nervous. I knew a lot of the pros already through the ballroom circles, and I knew how good they were. – Read more at Parade.com

  • girlygirl

    This Canadian radio station is cutting songs in half in order to avoid boring listeners and also to play more songs. It’s an interesting strategy. What do you guys think? Would something like this appeal to you — should more stations try it?

    http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/short-songs-at-amp-calgary-radio-station-draw-polarized-feelings-1.2730364

  • Incipit

    Barbarians.

    Rant deleted.

    Oh –
    IMO. Of Course.

  • Marko

    Great (but not much original) idea. Idol is doing the same thing for years. Lol

  • Karen C

    Not sure what to think. It might be possible that shorter songs might mean people are more likely to buy the complete versions. But I disagree with the radio station themselves doing this, it should be the artist or label that decides if a song should be shortened.

  • Mateja Praznik

    There was a discussion about this on Pulse a while ago: http://pulsemusic.proboards.com/thread/135955/stations-playing-short-edits-cutting

    Check out the link below: radio station playing only short edits. Songs just fly by.

    http://quickhitz.com/

    TBH I think as long as the song isn’t indulgently too long (like the songs from Justin Timberlake’s last two albums), the radio edit shouldn’t be that drastic. Especially because we all know the shortening of the songs won’t result with the station playing more different songs – they will just play the same few more times.

  • mmb

    maybe a better option is to just stop playing he top 5/10 songs so much…..last week Rude has just shy of 18,000 spins…that is utterly insane. No song needs to be played that much….the top songs now routinely get 16000-close to 18000 spins per week…every year it gets worse and worse

  • Eilonwy_has_an_emu

    *shrug* Back in the 1960s, songs were about two-and-a-half-minutes. Length has crept up so that now it’s normal to see album tracks that run over four minutes and nudge onto five. When I listen to current albums, it’s not at all unusual that there are songs I would have liked better if they’d stopped earlier.

    I flove my local indie station’s Long Song of the Day at the end of drive time, where the song runs 8+ minutes, but I would be totally okay with artists in general scaling back to a 3-minute standard song length, saving 4+ for special occasions where there’s a real theme to develop.

  • Sassycatz

    Hate it. Maybe we should just show half a movie or half a TV show. Maybe we should only sell half the book or cut a painting in two. Who needs a beginning, middle and end. What do we care what the vision of an artist is? Too many notes!!!

  • Marko

    Lol. I would love to hear 30 seconds version of “Stairway To Heaven” or “Bohemian Rhapsody”.
    Even better, they can combine them both in one 45 seconds ultra cool version.

  • kcostell

    From Billy Joel’s “The Entertainer” (1974)

    You’ve heard my latest record, it’s been on the radio.
    It took me years to write it, they were the best years of my life.
    It was a beautiful song, but it ran too long.
    If you wanna have a hit, you gotta make it fit,
    so they cut it down to 3:05.

  • Incipit

    “I disagree with the radio station themselves doing this, it should be the artist or label that decides if a song should be shortened.”

    Exactly. Radio stations acting as 2nd line producers-after-the-fact – – taking an arbitrary hatchet to the structure of a song is vandalism. IMO.

    If songs need to be shorter to match the latest “short attention span” – let the artist and the Label adapt the form in conjunction.

    This is NOT a good idea. JMO.

  • standtotheright

    But this station isn’t even satisfied with that: If the song runs longer than 2:30, it’s cut, sometimes down to 1:45.
    As I’ve said often enough, it is very hard to develop a song’s arc successfully within 1:45.

  • standtotheright

    And the thing is that artists already do this. Radio edits of 4+-minute songs are common.

    Sure, I don’t need more than 2 minutes of Turn Down for What to get the point (I don’t need more than 30 seconds, really), but that’s not the case for all songs, and I’d rather let the artist and label sit down and decide how long they need to tell the story behind these songs.

  • Eilonwy_has_an_emu

    Yeah, I’d agree that 1:45 is getting silly.

  • Larc

    Maybe all their listeners should cut the time they’re tuned into this station in half as well. That would only be fair.

  • lkingcorn

    Stations might have more time to play songs if they weren’t playing the same songs over and over. But I agree some songs go on too long these days. As for Idol I think the songs should be longer and the judging shorter.

  • ptslittlecomment

    According to the latest research, the average attention span is 18 seconds now, so I guess it goes along with that. However, when I remember how artists fought to have longer songs played on the radio, it hurts my soul. It took a hugely successful group (the Beatles) to break through the barrier

  • Mel432

    Hmmmm…

    Stand by your inboxes Queen Online subscribers! Important @queenwillrock + @adamlambert tour news on the way!

  • wordnerdarchie

    Cook is working on his yet untitled independent third CD, due to be released in 2015, with the first single scheduled for a late 2014
    release.

    I wonder how late is late (for his single release). And no CD until 2015 isn’t something I wanted to hear, I was hoping for 2014.

    Continuing to find ways to connect, Cook, whose older brother Adam died of a brain tumor in 2009, has helped raise more than $3 million for brain tumor research and funding through such charities as the Accelerated Brain Cancer Cure.

    I’m glad that I’ve been able to be involved in a very small part of the $3 million raised. It is very fulfilling to participate in the cause to find a cure.

  • usedtobelucy

    Just for the heck of it, a little Elliott:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nPwhxQufiMM&feature=youtu.be

  • usedtobelucy

    Come on. Cutting down a song to eliminate a dramatic, skill-showcasing key change is a GREAT way to throw someone under a bus. Wouldn’t want to deprive them of this manipulation tool, would you now? heh

  • HKfan

    If they’re anything like most pop stations…they need to just stop playing the same 10 songs every hour…that’ll make room for lots of new songs……

  • Incipit

    I saw that today, wordnerdarchie. It was a paraphrase, not a quote – still, there’s no disclaimer, and even though we were told the songs were all tracked, there must remain other details to releasing the album. The recent management switch may play a part, or something else we can’t know about. Maybe some people will ask about this on the 15th, at the Starved Rock Concert in Illinois, or on the 16th, at the Kokomo Summer Series in Indiana.

    I wish the album were coming out this fall, but I’ll keep expecting new music, at least. “Que sera, sera.” IMO.

    And Yes, I have to agree. The Race for Hope continues to be a personal inspiration – and it is rewarding to have had a small part in David’s Team raising that 3 Mil to fight brain tumors since 2009. In that fight, we all do what we can do.

  • Larc

    Not as if we haven’t been expecting this. Queen Extravaganza will be touring in the UK from Sep 5 to 23, so I’m guessing Oct and Nov.

  • tripp_ncwy

    Scott MacIntyre to Release New Album “Lighthouse” September 23rd

    Project Presents Eleven New Songs and Features Fellow American Idol Alumni Danny Gokey and Skylar Laine

    http://www.jesusfreakhideout.com/news/2014/08/07.Scott%20MacIntyre%20to%20Release%20New%20Album%20Lighthouse%20September%2023rd.asp

    http://www.jesusfreakhideout.com/news/pics/covers/scott-macintyre-lighthouse.jpg

  • RustySax

    The reason songs back in the ’50s & ’60s were about two and a half minutes long was because that’s all that would fit on the 78s and 45s of the era. David Rose’s “The Stripper,” at 1:57, is probably one of the shortest #1 Billboard hits recorded (and it was a fluke “B” side!)

    Once “album rock” started to take off in the late ’60s, the tracks became longer because there was more room on the big 33 1/3 discs – “Alice’s Restaurant” by Arlo Guthrie perhaps one of the longest single songs pressed on vinyl at 18:34, taking up the entire “A” side of the record.

    I’m not aware of any artist in the pop world that’s burned up all 72 minutes of a CD with a single song, but it probably exists in the classical genre.

    Kelly Clarkson’s “Stronger,” at 3:42 is a good example of just about the right length for a pop song – long enough for the listener to get “into it,” while short enough to not bore the listener, either. The fact that it has a “radio friendly” hook to the chorus doesn’t hurt it either!

  • Karen C

    I agree it’s terrific about RFH, and that David continues to be involved. The fan involvment is amazing, too.

    My thinking about the album is that it’s good that we have a more definate timeline. I do think it sounds like there is a plan in place now, when there wasn’t before. And I wonder if it has something to do with the new management company. I have read that album releases are planned out months in advance, so the timing could be because of that. Maybe the planning for the release and promotion of the album had to wait until the new management company was in place.

  • Anny_nanny

    I have to admit that most of the songs that played on the radio right now – half of it is too long for me. lol

  • stef

    I was surprised to see Skylar Laine mentioned as a collaborator in this.

  • girlygirl

    interesting article explaining how Clear Channel Radio’s “On the Verge” program helps newer artists get radio play. Explains how the artists are chosen…doesn’t sound like lobbying has much to do with it.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/style-blog/wp/2014/07/15/clear-channels-on-the-verge-program-helped-make-iggy-azalea-a-star-heres-how-it-works/

  • Lori

    I don’t think I can put a positive spin on this delay. The loyal followers (I include myself in that group) will still be around in 2015, but Cook is going to have to completely re-establish himself. In the music industry, time is NOT your friend. He lost a huge percentage of interested listeners when he went 3 years between DCTR and TLM. Now we’re looking at almost 4 years, if there aren’t yet more delays ahead. Hindsight is always 20/20 but I will always wonder “what could have been” had he not ducked out of the public eye for almost 2 years before re-emerging with TLM. I know; he had to deal, but I still wonder…

  • wordnerdarchie

    I think his priorities have changed, exemplified by Kiss You Tonight. jmo.

  • girlygirl

    As an indie artist, he is going to have a lot of challenges ahead, regardless of when he releases this album. Although he has a management team, he has a lot more on his shoulders than he did when he was with RCA. Figuring out a distribution and marketing plan is something he probably did not have a whole lot of say in before. Now he does. Not to mention that (as far as I can tell) he’s basically produced the album himself. Figuring all this stuff out can take time. I’m sure David has his reasons for waiting to release this album.

  • Guest

    Cook’s always had a reputation for disappearing for long stretches. And no mater how great of an Idol contestant he was, he is no longer relevant in the industry. Without a label, his promo will be limited. And without radio, it will be another Laying Me Low era.

  • suenigma

    Even as a Cook fan, I can’t disagree within anything you said here. But I do agree with Wordnerdarchie, I think his priorities have changed

  • jan

    I think Cook is a realist. There is no need to rush out an album – Fall of 2014, Winter/Spring of 2015 even Fall 2015 – it’s not going to make a difference with sales or radio play.

    In my opinion, he is now making music to please himself – because he likes to make music. He tours when he wants to have an audience – he goes quiet when he doesn’t. It all appears to be his choices – not the choices of the industry or the label or any PTB.

    It’s like a child actor who loses relevancy as an actor when he/she gets older. There are choices – do everything possible no matter how demeaning the role to remain an actor, go into directing or something behind the scenes, leave the field entirely, or turn to drugs and alcohol. It looks to me like he’s chosen the behind the scenes work with song writing. It’s a career that can last and be very satisfying.

  • wordnerdarchie

    He was very open in that January M&G w/fans regarding songwriting and touring (1-2months at a time, but not more). This latest timetable/delay solidifies what I came away from that event with: that songwriting will eventually be his main gig with less performing.

  • Karen C

    Even if TLM had come out a year before, I’m not sure if it would have made that much of a difference. Other Idols are seeing similar drops even if they release their albums 2 years later. I do feel that David has at least maintained his fan base since TLM, because the size and success of last years tour.

    I also don’t think it is that unusual for artists to go years without releasing anything, it is the promotion when they do release something that matters.

    And maybe re-establishing himself is beneficial, especially since he is going in a slightly different direction than before. I think he is now beginning to be seen as a singer songwriter, after being invited to songwriter shows, and having some success writing with Kiss You Tonight.

    If he was waiting for the right time and situation to reestablish himself this might be it.

  • Karen C

    That’s pretty much what he said in his interview after he was dropped from RCA. He would eventually mainly be a songwriter, and once he started a family wouldn’t tour as much. But that he would still put out his own music also.

  • Karen C

    I think it could be because of Kiss You Tonight. That would really establish him as a songwriter and introduce him to people that didn’t know him from Idol.

  • wordnerdarchie

    And since part of that family is in place, he’s well on his way to his goal.

  • suenigma

    Are you saying he is engaged? That would be fantastic news. Knowing Cook though, you might be saying he already has a child. Lol.

  • Incipit

    “He would eventually mainly be a songwriter, … But that he would still put out his own music also.”

    Yes, he did, and he has said that more than once over the last few years. In a Q&A from the Foundation Room in Las Vegas, April 27, 2012 – at @2:30 on the video, in answer to a question about the future, David says:

    “The long term play in all of this is to be a writer. I love the song-writing process. I’ll always perform in some capacity, but I think to do it full time, full bore for the rest of my life seems a bit daunting….I would love to be in that capacity at some point…”

  • wordnerdarchie

    haha, that’s funny. My lips are sealed. Besides like you said, we’ll never hear from him.

  • Ria.

    Back in the Idol days Cook said his long term goal was to be a song writer. That has always been the goal.

  • Guest

    David Cook was one of the most celebrated Idol contestants. Yet 6 years later, he is pretty much in the same position as of most of the winners – who were not as popular or did not come from popular seasons. There is nothing wrong with that, but when you consider all the potential and hype surrounding him, I’m sure he wanted a much bigger career than he ended up with.

  • Karen C

    I mean a songwriter for others. He was always a songwriter for his own music.

  • Ria.

    @Guest Cook was celebrated on Idol because his choices were unexpected, he was surprisingly versatile, and he was very entertaining. All of those things are still true of him, of his music, and of his performances. Almost anyone in any industry can imaging having more success. But success in and of itself is not the goal. Esp if you are an artist. He and others from the show have had plenty of success and have a freedom and choices they did not have before. It is (some of) the fans that obsess over specific success criteria that they can measure.

  • Ria.

    @KarenC I am also talking about being a songwriter for others. He was always a songwriter of his own work. His long term goal was to establish himself in the industry as a songwriter, meaning for others as well as himself.

  • Incipit

    What you are “sure” of, and what David has been saying from the beginning are two different things, guest.

    Watch the video posted – it’s just one instance of David explaining his long term plan.

    It all depends on how relevance is measured in the artist’s particular market – and David isn’t in the Pop market. Nashville is where many singer/songwriters are, and “the real deal in Nashville is the writers. Yes, they all make their own albums and gig, but their bones are earned “getting a cut” on big stars’ albums. And as they get their first “cuts,” that sets them up to get more and to collaborate, as we see David doing, with many in that fertile, roiling community of musicians…the songwriters seem to be held in highest esteem – without them, the shining stars would have nothing.” (From: Notes from an Observer of the Music City Scene – 2013)

    That’s what David said he wanted, and that’s what he is actively doing. Other people’s opinions on relevance are just not relevant – IMO. Heh.

  • bridgette12

    There are no guarantees in life and sometimes your dreams change or circumstances cause them to change. Either way, David is concentrating on being a songwriter.

  • girlygirl

    Getting cuts on other artists’ albums is very very difficult. There are thousands of songwriters in Nashville. Many of them have multiple #1 songs to their credit and even they struggle to get cuts on albums. Getting a co-write on David Nail’s single is great, and will be even better if the song goes to #1 (which is a longshot, but you never know). But it won’t guarantee David another cut on anyone’s album — a more realistic goal would be that it would open up a few opportunities for him to co-write with some of the top songwriters in Nashville. The big thing these days is to try and find up-and-coming artists to write with, because then you have an in if they end up breaking through. So that’s another thing he could try to do.

    I’m putting this link to the current Top 60 country songwriters chart (yup, there actually is a chart for this). As you can see, only a handful of writers have credits on more than one current hit song.

    http://www.nekst.biz/top-60-country-songwriter-chart/?utm_content=bufferd1eb2&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_campaign=buffer

  • Incipit

    He’s made it pretty clear that he is doing both, bridgette12, writing for himself and for others. He keeps saying that he intends to keep performing – but there will be no more long tours, as he explained at the Songwriters Event in Niagara in March.

  • Karen C

    I’m not sure if he wanted a bigger career, but I do know from interviews and what he has said himself that he said he is happier now than he was during the time the second album was being written and released. I think that’s important too.

  • bridgette12

    He haven’t had any new music out in quite a while and there would be no reason to do a long tour. He can stay at home, concentrate on his songwriting and perform when it’s convenient.

  • Sassycatz

    When a songwriter who isn’t much of a singer puts his or her performing career on the back burner to write, that doesn’t bother me much. But, when a artist who sings better than those he’s writing for does it … well, that bothers me — bothers me a great deal. It’s like a wasted talent. It reminds me of Carole King in her early years who wrote and didn’t sing publicly, until finally, James Taylor encouraged her to get out there and perform her work rather than give it to other singers.

  • jan

    I can understand it bothering you – but you and I don’t get any choice or say in the matter. DC makes those choices. He’s a smart guy. His choices seem deliberate – so I think he is going after what he wants for himself.

  • jan

    If he wanted bigger things as you define them – then I think you would see him acting differently and pursuing a different course. His actions speak very loudly.

  • Guest

    It’s a longshot that Kiss You Tonight will become #1. None of Cook’s singles that he wrote ever had any chart success. Whereas Scotty McCreery, Jordin Sparks (for Ariana Grande) Phillip Phillips are Idol winners who have had recent success in writing Top 10 songs in their radio formats.

  • Pippygirl

    I don’t follow your logic. Don’t songwriters generally write many songs before they get a hit at all, let along a Top 10 hit?

  • Incipit

    ” None of Cook’s singles that he wrote ever had any chart success.”

    Convenient logic, Guest. None?, out of how many singles that DC wrote did the label release and support to radio?? *snerk* And what is your quantifier for “success”?? (That’s a trick question.) smh.

    This discussion is not about chart success, which primarily benefits the Label’s coffers – – it’s about the revenue streams that can accrue to an artist outside of the label contract, when they collect royalties from licensing the songs they have written. These folks who work at being singer/songwriters can find their music in ads, on TV, in movies, on sports programs, in the Olympics, used by other singers on their albums, licensed in other countries – and David has done all of the preceding. There is always a demand for fresh sounds. And, as girlygirl points out – there are many songwriters.

  • girlygirl

    What Top 10 song did Scotty have a hand in writing? I didn’t think any of his singles have gone Top 10.

  • girlygirl

    It seems to depend. There are writers who get hits early on. There are others who write for years before they even get their first cut, let alone their first hit.

    I’ve been told several times by people in Nashville that the average time for a writer to get his first cut is about 5 years. But I don’t know how they came up with that figure.

  • Lastwaltz

    or PP?

  • Ria.

    Of course it is a longshot for it to become #1. It is a longshot for anything to become #1. It can be successful without that. In fact it already is. I am not why it is relevant that other Idols have had success with songwriting. That just shows it is not unrealistic.

  • jan

    So unless a songwriter has a #1 song, he/she should not become a songwriter? Everyone has to start somewhere.

    Right now KYT has been the #1 song on the radio survey CallOut America and has been for weeks. That is not a poll that fans can spam – as their methodology is to call and survey country music fans. KYT may or not make it to #1 on Country radio – but it’s enthusiastic acceptance by country fans is a good sign for the future acceptance of DCs song-writing abilities.

    Nothing is a sure thing for the future – but every artist should go after what he/she wants – and that is what DC is doing.

  • Ria.

    “And what is your quantifier for “chart success”??
    Good point. Off the top of my head, The Last Goodbye and Fade Into Me both charted for months. Heroes was licensed quite a bit. Songs like Permanent and Declaration were also licensed to the music services used by retail outlets even though they were never singles. He’s been building this resume for years.

  • girlygirl

    PP co-wrote Raging Fire, and that went Top 10 on AAA radio

  • Incipit

    “He’s been building this resume for years.”

    Exactly, Ria.

  • Lastwaltz

    Thanks, girly — wasn’t up on the credits : )

  • Cathy Mcguire Kosak

    SEE YOU TONIGHT….PEAKED AT #8…

  • Ria.

    This convo reminds me of a recent interview I saw with Richard Marx. Apparently he has a new album of his own out. The interview asked him if it bothers him when someone else has a hit song with something he wrote. He made it clear that was laughable. He is very happy when one of his songs is a hit for someone else. I can hear David Cook’s voice saying “I’ll take it.”

  • #behindthelight

    Raging Fire peaked at #5 on AAA and #7 on HAC.

  • ptebwwong

    See You Tonight was co-written by Scotty. It peaked at #8 on Billboard.