Idol Headlines for 4/26/08

I thought Dave Whites was funny but know some will be offended…

Oh Dave White, why do you hate David Cook so??

He’s still pretty funny though. I always look forward to his recap. Sure, it is mean-spirited and snarky, but at least I get a laugh.

Re: Idol losing its punch… I teach a water aerobics class on Thursday nights, and this week there were 11 women in the class. Someone started talking about Idol, and the entire group joined in the conversation. That’s 11 women, plus me, all watching this show. I don’t remember a season where we’ve had this conversation in the class, and I looked at the demographic which runs from 30-60ish. The ratings may be down, but the show is still drawing in new viewers.

My small sample group is split between the Davids by the way, with the youngest one being a Jason fan. Only one person was really upset by Carly’s departure, but everyone thought Brooke should have gone home. Several people had the impression that Syesha is too full of herself. It would appear my “sample” group is pretty much reflective of the general Idol viewership. Who will win? Most of them think it will be Archie and that Cookie will be “better off” not winning.

Yeah, David White needs to get out of the bitter barn and play in the hay more often.

How did In Touch Weekly get an interview with David Archuleta? What happened to the no interview till you get booted policy?

Casual Idol fan each year thier is the same someone should of went or stayed and at times good reason for it. Like a viewers talk about them like a soap opra or characters in a book that they know personally they do not one bit at all. It reminds me of overused clishe of a small town that secretly likes gossup and sneak a peak at those magazines or watches gossup shows. All complain about those overzealous fans while at the same time degrading why someone should go or how thier reactions are spaztics, nuerotic and halfbaked that has nothing to do with thier music or preformance. What if it was your firend or kid .

Much as American Idol wants you to believe otherwise the contestants need to bring thier A game and are not safe thier are allot of casual voters out thier..The “viewers decide” to save some too that are not up to par..It is a “reality Show” with real people trying to get thier shot and are used to make money period..some vilified some not and it works the viewers luv blaming a contestant for staying or thiers leaving when a they did not bring thier game or the viewers kept them all. Why human nature better to find the easy answere get caught up then step back and see what is really going on. Thier not characters from CSI thier people with falws and I really daught most knew what they would be getting into when they signed up…..

IMo -after I got riled up about whom I thought should of gone or stayed I realized no big deal the earth still spins and more important stuff…American idol peopel vote,contestants preform(some good prefromances some bad) show manipulates. It is great entertainment even if it creates some casualties…This is just an observation after a taugh week..

As I sat here listening to the contestants AI interviews, my wish for a third place finish for Jason was validated. If memory serves me this person gets the least amount of media interviews and appearances due to the hoopla surrounding the final two. Jason, ma dear, you just aren’t comfortable with this attention, are you? Do me a favor, will ya? Just sing to us and forego all interviews. Hey, it works for your idol Ray LaMontagne.

It amazes me that people think that contestants will be “better off” not winning. Because of what, TWO “big” success stories? Out of 64 non-winning finalists?

I seriously do not get the logic behind that. At all.

People are sucked into believing that because the media crams it down our throats, Sarah. I firmly believe Chris would have been just as successful if he had won. Clive believed in his sound and in his songwriting capabilities. He was behind his effort 100%. That’s the difference, IMO. If you fit the constrictions of being #1 you succeed. If you don’t, better not win the thing.

Correction before blasted….
The above opinon was an observation and it is about SOME fans ..NOT ALL sorry for the misunderstanding…….
Dave White is brave for staing an opinion I am he gets lots of e-mails..

Oh and an addition to my post above – I consider the “big” non-winner success stories to be Chris and Clay. Yes, Jennifer Hudson has won an Oscar, and that is an accomplishment in and of itself, but in the music industry arena, we still don’t have anything to judge her on. And there have been other successes too, but not to the level of the “superstars.” That’s why I classified it as “big” successes.

And MNSue, I agree. But it still just baffles me that this is the prevailing mindset among the general public.

There’s a conflict in American Idol, it’s billed as a contest for the best recording star, but in reality it is a competition for the best performer on TV. It was never clearer than on Season 5.

Carly is clearly (IMO of course) one of the top 3 singers this season, but she failed to make the connection with the audience. The producers do play up various qualities to influence us as to who is the best TV performer. We did not see the playful fun-loving Carly, or the practical joker Michael.

I wonder if the the ITunes recordings available this year are making a difference. Jason and Brooke both have wonderful recording voices, and I have generally enjoyed their ITunes studio releases more than their live TV performances. If a lot of voters are downloading, the recordings may be helping them stay alive.

Here’s an interesting one I don’t see up there:

MTV: ‘American Idol’ Dark Horse David Cook: Is It Fair For Him To Cover Other Covers?

It amazes me that people think that contestants will be à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“better offà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  not winning. Because of what, TWO à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“bigà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  success stories? Out of 64 non-winning finalists?

I seriously do not get the logic behind that. At all.

Here is something to think about:

The AI winner is under intense scrutiny. The expectations are enormous. Taylor Hicks sells 700 thousand albums and he’s considered a failure. Every word that comes out of his mouth is scrutinized. He’s villified in the press. Meanwhile, Elliott Yamin gets an indie deal, a hit record, but he only goes gold. He’s touted as a huge success. Sometimes I think that Taylor would have been better off NOT winning.

Jordin Sparks is also considered a failure, despite the fact that she has two huge hit records on the radio. Her album has only gone gold, and that’s not considered good enough for an Idol winner.

If Chris had won, he might have had even bigger credibility problems in the rock world than he does now. I wonder if an Idol winner would have been able to chart on not only the mainstream rock charts, but the alternative chart as well? It’s something to think about.

The other thing that sucks about winning is that first album that comes out of the gate is always a rush job, cobbled together with varying degrees of input from the Idol, but there’s usually the usual stable of hack writers waiting in the wings to supplement the offering. The result is usually generic and unsatisfying.

Winning Idol takes the struggle out of the Idol’s hands. It’s a guarantee of sorts. But it definitely has its downside.

It amazes me that people think that contestants will be à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“better offà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  not winning. Because of what, TWO à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“bigà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  success stories? Out of 64 non-winning finalists?

I seriously do not get the logic behind that. At all.

I think winning or coming really close is especially important this year, with the changes at the label, Clive’s demotion, and the state of the industry as a whole. There’s a bit of uncertainty. I have no confidence in my favorite getting signed unless he makes the top 2, and I have a sinking feeling he’s not going to get past the other guys’ fanbases and into the finale unless he has a “moment” every week from here on out. I’m clinging to the hope that TPTB wouldn’t really need to mess with his sound, but realize there’s possibility of him being “Bo’d”

Not every rocker who finishes in 4th place is going to be deemed as the second coming of Daughtry. Since I don’t have a crystal ball, I’m just going to keep voting.

Here’s an interesting one I don’t see up there:

That’s an interesting article, but it’s about a month old now. I’m pretty sure I posted it when it was first published. Thanks anyway!

BTW, the big server move is tonight, so get ready!

The guys at this new place are very responsive. If I run into problems, they will be on hand to help.

I promise, this site is going to SCREAM next week. Bring on the hits! .

Bring on the hits! .

I’m certainly doing my share. Good luck mj.

Wishing you the best for tonight, mj! Sounds like next week will be a lot of fun!

MJ- Good Luck tonight!! All my fingers and toes are going to be crossed for ya.

Good luck tonight, mj. Again, thank you for everything that you do.

And for those who think they’ll experience some mj-withdrawl, let’s chat!

I have no confidence in my favorite getting signed unless he makes the top 2, and I have a sinking feeling heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s not going to get past the other guysà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢ fanbases and into the finale unless he has a à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“momentà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  every week from here on out.

I don’t necessarily think that. He obviously can’t bomb or sleepwalk through his performances (hello, Daughtry!) from here on out, but at this point, the buzz is all about him. And it seems like last week picked him up a bunch of new fans and solidified a lot who were on the fence, too.

I’m just wondering what new “story” will be created THIS week. You know, since so far we’ve had cover-gate, hospital-gate, brother-gate, girlfriend-gate, and album-gate. What’s next? We should try that guessing game!!

I agree that winning has a downside, but it has more positives than negatives, IMO. Chris didn’t win, but his album was still a rush job too. You do have a point about radio play, mj.

It just really baffles me that people look at 2-3 examples of big commercial success out of 64 non-winners and then come to the conclusion that not winning is better than winning, when odds-wise, it’s really not.

Like Cheese said, I don’t have a crystal ball, so my fingers will keep feverishly voting.

I agree with MJ on the not winning thing. If Cook wins, you know he’s going to want input into the songs on his CD (and the next 3 or 4 if what I’ve read is right). Will AI allow that? Probably not. They pretty much dictate what’s on there and what’s not.

If you live in Cooktardistan (tm someone very clever? I can’t find who it was, but kudos.) like I do, you know that his own music isn’t sweet pop stuff — will they try and make him into that kind of singer if he wins? I’d hate to see it. Reading his old interviews, he’s a bit on the odd/edgie side — maybe a little arrogant — but I like it — and I’d hate to see them try and change him.

Ruben’s cd was very different than what he’d sung on the show, and it didn’t do all that well — but was that his idea? Dunno. Daughtry put out what he wanted and it was great. Little Davey would be the perfect winner for them — although I can see them running from his Daddy, not wanting to deal with him.

Jason? Well — I love Jason — he doesn’t fit the mold either.

The only one that does is little D — and I don’t actually *want* him to win — I want DC….but would it be the best for him? Dunno.

Oh yea, I forgot about the ladies…. /shrug

Thatà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s an interesting article, but ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s about a month old now. Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢m pretty sure I posted it when it was first published. Thanks anyway!

Sorry, MJ! I got it in my Google Alerts today and hadn’t seen it. It’s totally possible I missed it before. Heh.

I guess I’m just not ready to give up on the idea that winning this thing could actually be good for American Idol and this year’s actual winner. They need some of their credibility back, and I think that would include a winner who seems like a sure money maker and genuine artist. I know that everyone’s hearing that David/David finale floating in the wind, but I’ve turned a deaf ear to it. First of all, it’s almost like a freakin’ jinx, dooming one of them to fail. But secretly, that’s what I’m hoping for. Little David’s a great singer and all, but I think that final sing-off would be a one-sided snoozer. That’s why my fingers are crossed that Jason cracks that Top 3 and encroaches on Little David’s fans, and we all end up with the DC/JC final two. Can it happen? I believe so. This could be his week! I know DC’s the rocker and all, but I’m cringeing from all of the expectations that he’ll “Daughtry out”. I’m one of those Daughtry fans who wanted the CD/EY final, so I love Chris to death. But, I honestly think that DC has one-upped him – even as far as creativity is concerned. I can’t picture Chris singing “Little Sparrow” or “Music of the Night”. If I’m being honest, I think they’re nothing alike. At this point DC has separated himself from the pack when he actually started somewhere in the middle (as far as viewers are concerned). For that, I’m very grateful because that decreased the chances that he would actually pull a Melinda Doolittle. So…here’s hoping that the real frontrunners reveal themselves this week.

Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢m just wondering what new à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“storyà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  will be created THIS week. You know, since so far weà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢ve had cover-gate, hospital-gate, brother-gate, girlfriend-gate, and album-gate. Whatà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s next? We should try that guessing game!!

Hard to say, isn’t it? Well, we’ll be hit with two songs — and consequently, two outifts — next week; so wardrobe-gate, maybe (which has already been brought up in AI-related shows, but I don’t believe has made its way into the mainstream media yet)?

Reading his old interviews, heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s a bit on the odd/edgie side à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬’  maybe a little arrogant à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬’  but I like it à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬’  and Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢d hate to see them try and change him.

The day Cookie puts out an album containing mainstream pop stuff aimed at my age group (tweens; think the Jonas Brothers) will probably be the same day Daughtry does (if he hasn’t already; someone correct me if I’m wrong). I’m pretty sure Cookie is going to fight as hard as he needs to so he can get what he wants on his album.

Note-to-self: Don’t freaking eat anything while reading Dave White. End note.

Cooktardistan (tm someone very clever? I canà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t find who it was, but kudos.)

That would be cheese, I believe.

And I’m not sure I understand the mindset that the label would try to take someone who has bascially sung for 14 weeks (by the end of the competition) in an established genre, and built a fanbase ON THOSE PERFORMANCES, and “make” them record an album in a completely different genre.

Carrie’s cd was country/pop, but it still had a country flavor. Why would they try to make David Cook record a straight-up pop album when he’s been a rock singer all along and built his fanbase with those performances? They’d be shooting themselves in the foot there, because you’re gonna lose your audience.

I guess Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢m just not ready to give up on the idea that winning this thing could actually be good for American Idol and this yearà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s actual winner. They need some of their credibility back, and I think that would include a winner who seems like a sure money maker and genuine artist.

I TOTALLY agree. I’ve been thinking that for several weeks now. They’ve been having to play damage control lately, and they need a viable success story this year. If you look at the iTunes popularity that we’ve seen over the course of the competition (even if we don’t know the complete validity of our ‘charts’ or the final numbers), who would that be? TPTB have to see that DCook sells music, as he is, so WTF would they be thinking trying to change him?

I have no confidence in my favorite getting signed unless he makes the top 2, and I have a sinking feeling heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s not going to get past the other guysà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢ fanbases and into the finale unless he has a à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“momentà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  every week from here on out.

Really, cheese? I (and most others, I gather) thought for sure David is at this point already a lock for the finale. It’s interesting you feel this way.

Hey, maybe looking at THIS again would boost your confidence a little. (It’s been posted in another thread already, but this one is a really, really nice, big, and clear copy. )

My worry for Cook is that they will hook him up with Chad from Nickelback and produce some generic rock. They did that to Bo and Daughtry. It worked for Daughtry, but not so much for Bo. Also, there aren’t a lot of solo rock artists that are successful. Will they give him a band and market him as such? Can they do that with the winner?

My worry for Jason is that they would have no idea what to do with him. He’s pretty green at all this and I’m thinking he might need a little more time than would be allowed during the tour to make a really good CD. I would love for him to go the indie route, but there’s no guarantee an indie label would sign him.

Good luck with the transition tonight, MJ!

Purps, I heart you. That is all.

Brian Moore, a writer for RedEye’s “Vital Idol,” a Chicago Tribune blog, has several pet peeves with the show this year — Simon Cowell’s amusingly outrageous insults have been disappointingly few, he said, and there’s “no real standout” among this year’s singers

I think that David Cook is a standout?

Purps, I heart you. That is all.

OMG. Yes. Thank goodness my dad already left before I clicked that.

Purps, I heart you. That is all.

You like pink flowers then, huh, Sarah? lol

Purplesmile – I am probably going to get yelled at but I LOVE Cooks singing style but I dont find him that great looking and his body type is kinda thick, stubby. When I opened that pic all I saw at first was one BIG red pimple. But that is just me – Ahh to each his own – I like them tall and lean like Tim Mcgraw so I am into
Cook for his singing style only. He does have nice eyes. The eyes I LOVE the most are Jasons. The one I thought was sexy and hottttt is no longer there. michael johns waaaaa

Can someone put up a big pic like that of Michael Johns please? And a close up of Jasons Eyes, please?

Chris Daughtry was not hooked up with Chad Kroeger from Nickelback on his debut album. He was compared to him, and Daughtry toured with Nickelback, but if they DID write together for the debut album, none of those songs made the final cut, as there is not a Chad Kroeger cowrite on that album. Brent Smith from Shinedown and Brian Howes from Hinder, yes.

Bo’s album has one song with a Chad cowrite. He worked a lot with Richie Sambora, Jon Bon Jovi, and Kara Dioguardi.

You like pink flowers then, huh, Sarah? lol

Yes. Of course.

Hey, maybe looking at THIS again would boost your confidence a little. (Ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s been posted in another thread already, but this one is a really, really nice, big, and clear copy. )

Bless you. What color are those eyes, exactly?

Haha, sumidol. I also love those blue eyes on Jason (my favorite boy) and think Michael (my favorite voice) is the dreamiest of this bunch, but I think David is also looking real good these days and while I have not migrated to Cooktardistan just yet, I find I enjoy his performances and recordings (am I weird for liking his Innocent the best?) more and more. Eh, I guess I’m easy. Hee.

What color are those eyes, exactly?

The way I’m seeing them, green-gray. Extra hot.

Chris Daughtry was not hooked up with Chad Kroeger from Nickelback on his debut album. He was compared to him, and Daughtry toured with Nickelback, but if they DID write together for the debut album, none of those songs made the final cut, as there is not a Chad Kroeger cowrite on that album. Brent Smith from Shinedown and Brian Howes from Hinder, yes.

Boà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s album has one song with a Chad cowrite. He worked a lot with Richie Sambora, Jon Bon Jovi, and Kara Dioguardi.

I could have sworn I read that Chad had cowritten some of Chris’ CD, but I don’t have it handy.

My point remains, however. Substitute Chad with whomever, and you still get generic rock and I think Cookie is better than that.

ETA: This is not a picture of anyone’s eyes, but I think it will give CC fans a chuckle.

http://thumbsnap.com/v/8KQoorym.jpg

I could have sworn I read that Chad had cowritten some of Chrisà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢ CD, but I donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t have it handy.

Unless there’s some secret liner notes that I know nothing of, nothing of Chad Kroeger’s made Chris’ album. They might have worked together (I dunno for sure about that), but nothing made the album. I pulled out my liner notes after we talked about it in chat that one time.

I don’t know which songwriters and producers A&R would hook David up with. But regardless, as I said – why change what’s working? He’s selling iTunes downloads NOW. Why mess with that by bringing in people who are not his style?

ETA: LOL, yes I’ve seen that pic before. It cracked me up.

Well, I’m not saying he’ll be better off losing or not to vote. Hell, I’m a firm believer in voting. It’s still a concern. Not a prediction, but a concern.

I don’t know if any of you besides Sarah will agree with me on this, but other than singing rock style music I in no way compare DC and Daughtry. Yes they both have a rock sound to them, but I think of DC as more of a male Kelly Clarkson. Solo artist that sings rock/alt music. I know that is not KC’s specialty, but she can cross over into other sounds and styles of music that I think DC can as well. Daughtry to me is one dementional and will be stuck there. I see DC having more of a well rounded ability to sing other genres than hard/alt type music. The mysterious 2nd album that DC was too release in March is said to be a different sound than Analog Heart, so I have a feeling that DC is broader in terms of his musical styling, if you will permit me to use such a haughty phrase.

Agree with me or not, but I truly think of DC in terms of a KC rather than Daughtry.

Can someone put up a big pic like that of Michael Johns please? And a close up of Jasons Eyes, please?

These are nothing as big as the David pic, sumidol, but they are my favorite Jason (those baby blues) and Michael pics.

Whew, purplesmile – thank you – I didnt get yelled at. Yeah, David C’s looks grew on me too, but just not in the way that Michael Johns or Jasons did. Wouldnt that have been the lovliest combo at the end? David C, Michael John and Jason.. OH, well.

THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU PURPLE – NOW THAT WAS A WEIRD FEELING. I LOOK AT JASON AND AHHHH COULD THAT BE ANY MORE PRECIOUS AND THEN I GO OVER TO MICHAEL AHHHH COULD THAT BE ANY HOTTER!!! HA – I MEAN LOL NO I MEAN LMAO

purps, the DCook link doesn’t work for me, but I’m sure I can use my imagination…

I think David Cook is the answer to what Idol fans want AND what the Idol producers are looking for– the scenario where both occurred simultaneously hasn’t happened since Carrie Underwood, in my opinion. With Taylor, the fans won, and with Jordin, the producers won. For both cases, part of the equation and support for mainstream “success” was missing. Sure, we can argue that 700,000 plus CDs sold and 2 massive pop hits are notable feats in the already struggling music industry, but the numbers–for whatever they’re worth- certainly don’t match the likes of Kelly Clarkson and Carrie Underwood’s. The producers need another superstar winner, and I truly believe David Cook could take up that challenge.

Will they take the risk of marketing him as a solo artist? Or will they put him in a manufactured band like they did with Chris Daughtry? Only time will tell. I personally hope it’s the former; I do think he has enough charisma to be a stand-alone star. Whichever it is though, I hope he retains the musical identity that his fans have come to love. Like Sarah, I do think winning is important, so I disagree with those who say that DCook should not win because it will “damage his rock cred.”

However, with someone like Jason, I don’t think a major label deal and overly high expectations would be the best thing for him if he wants to establish a musical career for the long haul. Sure, I would love to see him go as far in the competition as he can, but not to the extent that people would see him as Sanjaya v.2. In all honestly (although I love Jason), I’m not confident he’ll get a record deal. Like pj, I just hope he’s done enough to get signed by an indie label and produce a lovely Jasony CD. I would be content with that.

ETA: This is not a picture of anyoneà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s eyes, but I think it will give CC fans a chuckle.

http://thumbsnap.com/v/8KQoorym.jpg

That’s really funny and creepy at the same time. LOL.

bax, I agree. I quit calling Cookie “Daughtry-esque” coming into the Top 12; while Daughtry has some good generic rock out there, it’s pretty much all he has (although I never actually paid much attention to Daughtry and his shiny head in the first place, so correct me if I’m wrong). In contrast, DC’s proven himself not to be excellent in only his genre but in others as well (thank you for being our nerdy little theater kid back in high school, dearie). That said, I highly doubt he’d ever release something like MOtN on a future album.

However, with someone like Jason, I donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t think a major label deal and overly high expectations would be the best thing for him if he wants to establish a musical career for the long haul. In all honestly (although I love Jason), Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢m not confident heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢ll get a record deal. Like pj, I just hope heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s done enough to get signed by an indie label and produce a lovely Jasony CD. I would be content with that.

Amen.

I’m sorry the link doesn’t work for you, prime. You have most likely seen that pic (Jason’s) already, though, since it was shown on AI and I think mj might have posted it already in one of her earlier (Idols in mags?) posts.

Also, there arenà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t a lot of solo rock artists that are successful. Will they give him a band and market him as such? Can they do that with the winner?

I’m pretty firmly in the “No” camp on this one. I don’t think they would ever market the winner as a band. At the same time, I think it would be bad for the show, credibility-wise, to have a David-David finale with the animatronic CuteBot 2000 ending up with the confetti falling on his tiny, empty, outstretched hand.

Only TPTB know what the plans are for DCook (if there are any plans in the works). As a fan, I would be perfectly happy for him to leave at #3 or #4 IF I knew that TPTB were planning to sign him anyway. When was Chris’s deal announced – was it before the finale, or just right after Kat’s and Taylor’s? I know it materialized rather quickly. Still, only the winner is guaranteed a contract.

I think of DC as more of a male Kelly Clarkson. Solo artist that sings rock/alt music. I know that is not KCà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s specialty, but she can cross over into other sounds and styles of music that I think DC can as well.

I can see where you’re coming from, bax. I think DC could be a solo artist, I just wonder if TPTB see him that way. I guess that’s the direction he was going on his own. PJ is right, though, there really aren’t too many solo rock acts, and certainly even fewer who didn’t start with a successful band. For this reason alone, they may not want him to win.

mj, good luck tonight! Don’t stress out too bad! =)

I admit I am one of those who initially saw and heard David to be Daughtry-ish, but that has changed now (except when I see pics of David scowling, lol). I like Daughtry some but I certainly think David’s voice is much better. Daughtry’s voice and style certainly worked, though…I hope David’s does, too, when the show is over and done with.

ETA: I wonder what Chris D thinks of David C…

THAT is TOO FUNNY! Are you sure that is not David
C with a wig???!!! Yeah David C is just what AI wants, he can sing well, his appearance is nice and he speaks well. I LOVE LOVE LOVE Jason, I swear I cannot up my finger on it but his voice soothes me and takes me away to nicer places. Maybe in time he can get used to interviews and his pic being taken but in one of his interviews he said that AI is whole lot more than just doing the music he loves and he was not prepared at all for all of that.

Jason and Brooke both have wonderful recording voices, and I have generally enjoyed their ITunes studio releases more than their live TV performances. If a lot of voters are downloading, the recordings may be helping them stay alive.

This remark above rings true and I think that is kinda what happened with Taylor, with him you really need his big personality to go with his music and you dont get that in recordings but with Jason, it would be nice of course, but you dont need to look at him to feel and hear something unique and wonderful.

Wow. Dave White needs to eat some more ice cream with cookies on top !

Oh, good luck tonight mj !

MJ good luck with the move tonight, hope it goes well. And thanks for the something to think about post ..great points.

I donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t know if any of you besides Sarah will agree with me on this, but other than singing rock style music I in no way compare DC and Daughtry.

I certainly agree with this.

I don’t know if this was posted already. It was printed on 4/21. I don’t think it has any new info, but it is a heart-felt look at David Cook’s situation with his brother.

I am not sure how I feel about the idea of someone being “better off” not winning. I have felt strongly about this in the past with other contestants (Blake – but not winning certainly didn’t help him), but I think David is a strong character and can withstand pressure from the label. I have faith in his artistic integrity. He is on the show and performing well each week, so I have to assume that he wants the win. I’ll still be voting each week. (Also, I will puke if DA wins…sorry, Archie fans)

If he wins David [Archuleta] says he will “Probably faint, drop to the ground and crack my head open or something.”

Aww. He’ll probably still have his trademark smile plastered on his face throughout all of that. And I’ll predict now that I’ll go deaf during those few minutes after the winner is announced if the tweens get what they want.

Ah, Steph — that article made me tear a little. I’ve heard that Cookie wants the win pretty badly, but I have no doubt that he’ll probably be perfectly happy to just have his brother at his side for years to come.

I donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t know if any of you besides Sarah will agree with me on this, but other than singing rock style music I in no way compare DC and Daughtry.

I certainly agree with this.

Me too. Cook’s voice has an appealing sandy quality, slightly rough without sounding abrasive. He understands phrasing and modulation, as was evident in “Music of the Night”. There are more knobs on his volume dial besides 9 and 11.
Even at the audtion, I remarked “Now this guy is Daughtry with a more appealing voice and a little vocal training. He could be someone to watch.”

Daughtry’s voice is comparatively one-dimensional. It was most interesting in AI5 when he attempted country songs that didn’t call for shouting.

The gold bar for Idol are Carrie/Kelly/Daughtry sales. If you can’t match those you are considered kind of a failure or at least a disappointment. So Jordin can have huge Top 40 hits and an album closing in on 700K and still not be considered a success. Whoever wins this season has to become a platinum seller out of the box or they will be another “disappointing” winner.

Daughtry really has the touch for writing hits and I think David Cook has to equal him in that department to match those sales. David A won’t have that problem as he’ll go the Jordin route only with manufactured ballads. Jason is a singer/songwriter type so again he’ll have be able to write to keep a career.

I think Cook would make a better winner because two back to back 17 year old winning Idol just feels wrong. He’d handle it better and they’ve been dying for a rocker to win this for awhile. David A will be fine as the runner up and they’ll have less of a problem with the Dad so it’ll be win/win.

I don’t think Blake winning would have affected things much. The music he’s into is just not getting played on the radio these days. Hard to sell albums when they won’t play your songs.

My thoughts on Idols getting recording contracts this year…
I think DC is probably the most appealing to the AI machine. He can sing anything, is a musician, and has band and recording experience. I would prefer him marketed as a solo act, not as a band a la Daughtry, but I could see it either way. He is too talented not to be signed by AI, and his sound is current. Hope he has some sort of creative control.

Next most likely to be signed? I would say Brooke. (Unless she continues to deteriorate on camera these next few weeks.) The female singer/songwriter genre is very, very popular these days on the radio. She has a great recorded voice and knows who she is, musically. Nice clean image.

Finally, I will go on a limb and say Jason is the other most likely to be signed. He is young, attractive, and appealing. He is pretty green in the music world, so he would need a lot of management and guidance. Indie labels may be more interested, he is not going to sell out stadiums.

Archuletta, yea, I suppose he will be signed if he doesn’t win, but I have NO idea what type of CD he would put out, there isn’t a great market for inspirational ballads by 16 year old boys these days.

Interesting conversation today. I tend to agree with MJ. It bugs me no end that Taylor selling 700,000 cd’s is considered a failure by the media, and by the label. So much so that he was actually dropped from the label (or maybe mutually seperated from the label, who knows). That and all the articles that make snide comments about him just because it’s the in thing to do (or to get hits to their website) are extremely disheartening for a fan. I can’t imagine an artist much appreciates it either. So I do think there are instances where it may actually be better not to win; things may be different this year with Clive gone, but we’ll see.

Good luck with the move tonight, MJ. Oh, and if we’re still posting large pics, can someone go back pre-top 12 and post one of pretty boy Luke? TIA! :laugh_tb:

David A can do sort of warmed over boy band songs or Jonas Bros. songs. It’ll be decided by the record company unless his father wants to destroy his career. I see a few uplifting songs, some up tempo and alot of ballads. If they put r& b into the mix, I think he can sell albums.

I, personally, believe they are charting the ITunes downloads to see who is selling, and, who isn’t. DC, DA, and, Jason have sold the most from the Idol group. So, with that gauge, I do think that Jason will get signed. And, we must remember, what happens after Idol, peeps think they should be singing the covers they’ve done on the show. Some aren’t prepared for the original music they hear on the CD’s.

JMO.

skylight, good statement about what the general public expects versus what the Idol puts on his/her CD. Good reason why Blakes CD tanked, people were expecting You Give Love a Bad Name style remixes. I think it is not hard to predict what David Cook will come out with (plus you can hear his previous recorded stuff to get an idea…), and I think Jason’s style cannot really be tweaked, he just needs good lyrics. Agree wholeheartedly that the iTunes numbers are something that AI cannot ignore. I still think DC, JC and Brooke are the ones to look for CDs from.

Regarding winning or not, I think it has become a bad idea for anyone winning after Carrie. Nobody in this year or next year can match her success anymore. I think Jordin is a success, but people interpret it as a failure. And for DCook, there is always gonna be the Daughtry wannabe comparison.

Well, I wasn’t comparing David C and Daughtry musically. I meant that TPTB might want David C to fit into that formula to ship units.

I think Jason has potential as a songwriter. His song “So Fast” is hauntingly pretty. I’m not sure what TPTB would do to him, frankly. I would love him to get some really good guidance from songwriters of his ilk.

Well, I wasnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t comparing David C and Daughtry musically. I meant that TPTB might want David C to fit into that formula to ship units.

True, but they might not realize that Daughtry has just renewed his contract to be the next Daughtry.

I don’t know if this was posted already. It was printed on 4/21.

Yep. I posted that, on the day that it was first posted online.

The rule of thumb is: The daily headlines are for that day’s headlines generally, the 24 hour period between headline posts. If you find an article that is a day or a couple of days old, and you are sure it hasn’t been posted yet, then go ahead and post it.

The point is to keep the discussion in the headlines thread fresh. Thanks.

ETA: If you are making a point, and you want to refer to an article to help make that point, that’s OK.

Well, I wasnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t comparing David C and Daughtry musically. I meant that TPTB might want David C to fit into that formula to ship units.

I don’t think they will. They need a new sound. Cook can give them a new sound. He can be darker than Daughtry, but I think he has crossover potential. His album, Analog Heart, had some darker, rock driven tunes, but his slower songs were very good too. He’s the only idol I’ve ever heard that I think can actually do his own stuff and be OK. Very radio friendly stuff. Blake’s pre-idol stuff was good, but not current enough and looking back, I think he was more a work in progress than anyone realized. David, on the other hand, has a current sound I think his album will sound exactly what his fans and the audience thinks it will sound like. That’s the formula to a big opening American Idol album. I actually think this kid is the ‘real deal’.

Jason Castro has his own sound, true, and it’s a burgeoning market for sure. I’d give him a shot, but he needs to write his own songs for it to work. He needs to come across as a singer/songwriter for it work credibly. I’d give him a single record shot at it.

Brooke White is a mess. She doesn’t have the skin to survive the industry. You got to be cut out of a certain type of material to do it and she’s proven on national television in front of a badzillion people that she doesn’t have the inner strength to pull off idol much less a career in the business. Like Castro, a small venue performer anyway. I wouldn’t sign her. Not enough edge.

I would, actually, give Carly Smithson another chance. She’s got a great voice and I think things would be different for her outside of the idol machine. She just needs to stick to a sound and cultivate herself further. If she’s pop-rock, go that way. I prefer her on pop-rock stuff like Kelly Clarkson.

Michael Johns…eh…not sure. He’s misguided if he thinks Rock is where he belongs. Seriously misguided. He’s a blues singer. He should stick to the blues and release an album of that type of material. I’d sign Carly over him though. I just don’t see the appeal here.

I don’t know if it is possible for any of us to decide for DC whether he should win or not or even if he wants to win or not. Since he auditioned for the show in the first place, I’m going to assume that he wants to win it. He selects his songs and performs them as if he wants to win. He listens to the criticisms from the judges, gets teary eyed when he gets complimented and in every way, shape and form gives off the impression that it means alot when he gets through to the next week.

I’m going to vote as much as I am able to, because I truly think he’s the best performer week to week. It’s hard to say what will happen after all is said and done – but I say if he’s our favorite we owe it to him to vote him through and see if he can be the last man standing! What will be will be, but I hope to keep him there through at least the final 2 and vote him in for the win.

Crossing my fingers……………..

I can’t believe the pundits are still trying to figure out why Carly got the boot over what others consider, Jason and Brooke. It isn’t hard to figure out, and, I don’t believe it had anything to do with her singing JCSS. She has been inconsistent all season, didn’t know who she was as an artist, so, neither did the viewing public. It doesn’t take rocket science here folks. I wish they’d shut up. It’s over and done with. If people are having a hissy over it, they should’ve voted for her, instead of making the others the villians. On the other hand, Syesha has been on the bottom 3 stool more than most of the others, and, I truly believe if she hadn’t had such an outstanding performance Tuesday, we would’ve been celebrating her home, rather than Carly. Syesha picked up the casual voters, Carly did not.

I canà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t believe the pundits are still trying to figure out why Carly got the boot over what others consider, Jason and Brooke.

Ummmm….didn’t the media and the online community (including this very blog) have a similar “WTF” moment with Mr. Michael Johns was voted off?

Personally, I am STILL baffled as to how Carly was voted off. A slam dunk performance usually guarantees safety, despite not having a massive fanbase (like Chikizie and Kristy). The fact that Carly and Syesha’s tracks are selling more than both Brooke and Jason’s makes me wonder if Carly was REALLY the one with the lowest amount of votes.

Syesha picked up the casual voters, Carly did not.

Yeah – I’ll go with your theory skylight. I think all of the other theories are a little far fetched for me. In fact, if I had to guess, I’d say more American’s are creeped out by her huge tattoo and the tattood face of her husband than they are offended by her song choice.

I never really realized what an uproar JCS created when it came out (probably because I was a toddler) and I didn’t know how many people actually found both the song and musical offensive. But, I still don’t think that’s the reason she didn’t receive votes – I don’t think those people were ever voting for her anyway.

I’m with Mj on the theory that it’s not always better to win. I think it could hurt someone like DC if he wants a chance to be on the rock or alternative charts. The same might be said for Jason who I don’t think would benefit from or even want to win. David A would benefit most. I’m not sure Brooke could handle winning since competing seems to have gotten to her. It’s hard to say with Syesha who I can’t visualize winning.

I agree that DC shouldn’t be compared to Daughtry but he could do worse. I still really like Chris and and his voice and am happy he’s doing so well.

I don’t find it surprising that anyone would question why Carly was punted this week. She has a much better voice than probably 3 of those left. I don’t think it’s because of her song, though.

The fact that Carly and Syeshaà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s tracks are selling more than both Brooke and Jasonà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s makes me wonder if Carly was REALLY the one with the lowest amount of votes.

I don’t know how to see the numbers, but Syesha had arguably the best performance of the night and Carly is getting is most likely getting a boost from getting the boot.

Syesha has been in the bottom three 5 times. She obviously HAS to knock it out of the park to keep in the game. Her votes seem to depend on her performance.

Brooke and Jason’s fans voted their asses off to save them. It really isn’t that complicated.

I donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t know how to see the numbers, but Syesha had arguably the best performance of the night and Carly is getting is most likely getting a boost from getting the boot.

In the past, the person voted off usually is ranked LAST in the iTunes downloads. Carly’s “boost” is from being really good that night.

Nice post, skylight!

Out of the top 6, Carly is the only one who never seemed to identify with a clear musical style, and thus, was most confusing to viewers/voters. I think it’s pretty easy to predict the type of music we will be hearing post-Idol from the 5 that are left, which is nice in a way. Even though Carly had a good performance on Tuesday, she just hadn’t done enough overall to pick up the casual vote, it seems. I didn’t necessarily want Carly to go home this week, but I was not in any way surprised that she got the axe.

Also, America seems to be gravitating towards the singer/songwriters (3 out of 5 remaining) and those who play instruments (4 out of 5 remaining)…maybe America is starting to look for more depth from these contestants and put those at the top who really have a legitimate chance of a post-Idol career.

For the first time EVER, there isn’t anyone in the top 5 that I just really want gone. There are some I like more than others, but I really do think that all of them are talented and bring something unique to the competition. I haven’t enjoyed watching the show this much in a REALLY long time.

Personally, I am STILL baffled as to how Carly was voted off. A slam dunk performance usually guarantees safety, despite not having a massive fanbase (like Chikizie and Kristy). The fact that Carly and Syeshaà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s tracks are selling more than both Brooke and Jasonà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s makes me wonder if Carly was REALLY the one with the lowest amount of votes.

But was it a slam-dunk? It was great. But it was arguable as to who won the night. And that in the end really hurt her. The fanbases are set. She didn’t have as many as the others (The Davids) and Brooke and Jason fans had every reason to worry. Her performance was fab, but for the casual vote to have come in to save her, it would have had to be just like oh…’Billie Jean’. The fact that she was sandwiched between the widely applauded (for better or worse) Davids may have hurt her. If she had the pimp spot, results may have differed.

In the past, the person voted off usually is ranked LAST in the iTunes downloads. Carlyà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“boostà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  is from being really good that night.

She was pretty good. Not the standout performance of the night. I maintain that the media “outcry” has helped her sales. IIRC, MJ did pretty well when he got the boot, as well. I’m too lazy to go back and research it, though. So, have a field day and prove me wrong. LOL.

Again, her problem was lack of fanbase and not having THE best performance of the night.

The fact that Carly and Syeshaà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s tracks are selling more than both Brooke and Jasonà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s makes me wonder if Carly was REALLY the one with the lowest amount of votes.
In the past, the person voted off usually is ranked LAST in the iTunes downloads. Carlyà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“boostà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  is from being really good that night.

There are lots of possibilities. Perhaps David Cook fans like Carly’s performance and bought it off iTunes but continued to vote for the favorite. At the same time, Brooke and Jason fans voted their butts off but opted not to purchase the song on iTunes.

Syesha has been last (or close to last) on iTunes almost every single week and yet, she is still here. How would you explain that? Could it be a conspiracy? No. Clearly, selling the least on iTunes does not guarantee elimination and NOT selling the least doesn’t guarantee safety.

The fact that Carly and Syeshaà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s tracks are selling more than both Brooke and Jasonà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s makes me wonder if Carly was REALLY the one with the lowest amount of votes.

Casual voters aren’t online, and they aren’t buying tracks. The idea that you can tell who is going to be eliminated based on iTunes tracks is a theory full of holes.

Carly had been in the bottom 3 before. Michael had never been. She also got further in the competition than Michael did. It wasn’t that big of a surprise to me that she was booted off. I expected she’d go a few weeks ago. She never connected with the audience.

I have a message for the Rickey DA fans who are visiting here.

If you attempt to pull the shenanigans here you pull over at Rickey’s you will be instantly banned, forever.

Here are my guidelines:

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Follow them or don’t post here.

By the way, word of advice: This isn’t major world issues we’re dealing with here. It’s a TV show.

Casual voters arenà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t online, and they arenà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t buying tracks. The idea that you can tell who is going to be eliminated based on iTunes tracks is a theory full of holes.

I don’t mean to imply that the iTunes downloads are a concrete indication of who left the show (because it isn’t). I was using it as a small measure of interest….much like Dial Idol.

Carly had been in the bottom 3 before. Michael had never been. She also got further in the competition than Michael did. It wasnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t that big of a surprise to me that she was booted off. I expected sheà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢d go a few weeks ago. She never connected with the audience.

Well, I don’t think being in the bottom 3 means that much. After all, Ruben and Fantasia occupied the bottom 3 at one point and then went on to win the whole thing. Like what has been mentioned before is that the key to escape elimination is to NOT be the worst. Carly clearly wasn’t the worst and was considered by many to be the BEST of the night. Personally, I ranked her 3rd (with Syesha and David C. tying for 1st). I certainly didn’t expect her to win, but her performance guaranteed her at LEAST another week in my eyes.

Thank you, MJ, that is what I was trying to say. She didn’t connect with the audience. How could she, when she was trying so hard to please Simon?

On another note, if anyone is interested, there are 4 snippets from Phil Stacey’s new album up. Is this ok to post here? Sounds like he is being allowed to stay true to who he is. Another plus for going indie.

http://www.myspace.com/philstaceymusic

I certainly didn’t expect her to win, but her performance guaranteed her at LEAST another week in my eyes.

Actually, I agree with you. I thought she could get to third place. I just wasn’t shocked when she was eliminated.

On another note, if anyone is interested, there are 4 snippets from Phil Staceyà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s new album up. Is this ok to post here? Sounds like he is being allowed to stay true to who he is. Another plus for going indie.

I was hard on Phil when he competed. He was so much better live! And a really, really nice guy to boot.

Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢m going to vote as much as I am able to, because I truly think heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s the best performer week to week. Ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s hard to say what will happen after all is said and done – but I say if heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s our favorite we owe it to him to vote him through and see if he can be the last man standing! What will be will be, but I hope to keep him there through at least the final 2 and vote him in for the win.

VERY good post. You are right, and I will be doing the same thing.

Bax – you know I agree with you.

This has been a really good discussion today. Lots to think about. If nothing else, it will definitely be interesting to see what happens with the contestants after the show ends.

I’m in my new apt now with DVR and internet all set up. So now all I have to do is unpack the REST of my junk. Ugh.

ike what has been mentioned before is that the key to escape elimination is to NOT be the worst. Carly clearly wasnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t the worst and was considered by many to be the BEST of the night. Personally, I ranked her 3rd (with Syesha and David C. tying for 1st). I certainly didnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t expect her to win, but her performance guaranteed her at LEAST another week in my eyes.

History tells us that being the “worst” is better than being in the middle. Being in the middle (in your estimation 3rd out of 6) means she didn’t pick up casual votes and her fans probably thought she was safe and didn’t vote as hard. I don’t think she has as large of a fanbase as Brooke or Jason. Trust me, those fanbases went into overdrive with the voting.

Um, Carly’s JCSS is #8 on I-Tunes, Jason’s Memory is #11. Not too bad for a trainwreck. Syesha is at #14, therefore, not outselling Jason.

Brooke didn’t crack the top 20. On another note, Jason’s SOTR is outselling Daughtry, and his “I Don’t Want To Cry” is in the #19 spot, with Carrie Underwood’s “Praying For Time,” at #20.

Not too bad for a kid who only sang 5 times in public?

(courtesy of Rickey.org)

Is it just me or is anyone else bothered by the fact that these banner ads for Phil Stacey’s new CD have the title of his current single wrong—it’s “If you Didn’t Love Me”, not “If You Don’t Love”. Is it that hard for the marketing department of Lyric Street to correct this?

Thank you, MJ, that is what I was trying to say. She didnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t connect with the audience.

And Brooke DID? I fail to see how Brooke’s fanbase (which I still don’t believe is all that big) was enough to outnumber Carly’s fanbase PLUS the votes she received from the casual viewer influenced by 1) how good she was and 2) the judges’ unanimous praise.

And I’m not buying the “Booke got mercy votes” theory either. Everyone who I watched it with thought she should have been booted during her performance. lol

Phil did not sign with an indie label. He signed with Lyric Street Records, whose parent company is the Walt Disney Company. He just didn’t sign with Clive.

It’s possible that Brooke could have picked up quite a few of KLC’s votes. Her fan base was pretty big.

Thank you, Sarah. I guess I consider them Indie, since they aren’t one of the top 4 or 5 labels.

From the heart I hated Carly’s performance on ALW night. Maybe because I hate the song and she screamed it. That said, it was an objectively “good” performance. At least she got the unjust boot which will help her career.

OT but I heard Phil, Sligh and Mandisa on that gospel clip. Phil sounded good and Sligh sounded incredible. He really was the curly haired one Randy predicted would win AI. His smartass persona and “look” really did him in. If Sligh was a hot guy, he’d have a whole other career and yes, being a hot guy matters alot on Idol.

I think Brooke picked up a lot of KLC’s voters as well, and, let’s not forget VFTW has her as their new pick. Personally, I believe she needs to go home. Not that I don’t like her, because I do, but, she is becoming an emotional wreck.

Um, Carlyà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s JCSS is #8 on I-Tunes, Jasonà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s Memory is #11. Not too bad for a trainwreck. Syesha is at #14, therefore, not outselling Jason.

Huh? Here’s what I see on the iTunes top 100 (though the “Complete My Album” loophole):

#5 David Cook
#12 David Archuleta
#19 Carly Smithson
#32 Syesha Mercado
#34 Jason Castro
#47 Brooke White

Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢m in my new apt now with DVR and internet all set up. So now all I have to do is unpack the REST of my junk. Ugh.

Much luck with that. You seemed incredibly lazy with packing, so now I’ll take it you’ll try and not be as lazy when unpacking? Heh.

Ah, much luck to Phil, too! I quite liked him during his run on Idol, so I’m glad he’s doing well. Personally, I don’t think I would ever go and buy his album, but his stuff isn’t bad (it’s all a tad too generic for me, and I don’t really listen to much country in the first place), so I hope he can find some mild success in the next few years.

I don’t think Phil sounds too country on his songs. More of a pop/contemporary sound. Very little hint of a twang.

#5 David Cook
#12 David Archuleta
#19 Carly Smithson
#32 Syesha Mercado
#34 Jason Castro
#47 Brooke White

I based my numbers from Rickey.org, posted on daily numbers for the Idols. So, I stand corrected. But, this is the first time that Syesha has charted, and, I believe the first time for Carly. Carly may have picked up downloads due to her surprise elimination. Jason has had several songs on the chart.

Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢m in my new apt now with DVR and internet all set up. So now all I have to do is unpack the REST of my junk. Ugh.

That’s my girl! Glad you have your priorities straight! :biggrin_wp:

I guess I’m in the minority but Phil’s songs are more “country” than I had expected. And more upbeat too. I like them.

I guess I’ll just have to concede that season 7 of American Idol is 0.01% talent based and 99.9% a popularity contest. With that said, here’s how it’s going down:

5th place: Syesha
4th place: Brooke
3th place: Jason
RUNNER-UP: David Cook
WINNER: David Archuleta

(that 0.01% allows Syesha to possibly squeak past Brooke next week. lol)

LOL Hisaki. No, actually a lot of my stuff wasn’t UNpacked in the first place (long story). I actually did put in a lot of work the past couple weeks in packing and moving. The majority of my stuff was over here before today because I brought it over after work the past couple weeks.

LOL yes, pj. My priorities are definitely in order!!

Enough personal chat though.

I just can’t drag myself away from this place. AI (and DC) = crack, and MJ is my dealer.

Paula, certainly has been through the mill, hasn’t she? I’m glad she is on the show, she is the buffer the contestants need when they are getting creamed by the other 2. Sometimes, she even makes sense.

Skylight, it’s actually been scary this season because there have been times where I’ve thought *I* was going crazy because I thought Paula made sense.

Carrie Underwood thinks she’s ugly? Lord, give me some of that ugliness. I don’t like the OCDing about her weight. I hope she doesn’t become anorexic. We MUST stay on topic here, and, that is today’s headlines.

She definitely has been making much more sense this season, Sarah. Congrats on completing your move!

I was hard on Phil when he competed. He was so much better live! And a really, really nice guy to boot.

Ditto that.

Good luck with the unpacking Sarah. But, it seems like you’ve already got the important tasks done.

LOL yes, pj. My priorities are definitely in order!!

Or are they? DC’s my crack, too…LOL. My priorities are totally out of whack; I have just tomorrow left of vacation and I haven’t started my shitload of homework. I’m screwed! Yay.

Skylight, ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s actually been scary this season because there have been times where Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢ve thought *I* was going crazy because I thought Paula made sense.

Me too! As Cookie said, she’s the much-needed ego-booster during those times when Simon is comparing you to the guy next door who’s married to his guitar, but she’s actually made some sense in the past few weeks (AT TIMES, note). And there were instances when she looked like she just wanted to shoot herself because a performance was so bad that she just couldn’t ignore the entirety of its atrocity. I am truly enjoying this season, seriously.

I’m really liking Pauler this season. I’m a little sick of Randy and his pitchy comments. I guess since he’s into dawgs, pitch would be a priority for him. Maybe that’s why he panned Jason, his song was from Cats.

I guess Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢ll just have to concede that season 7 of American Idol is 99% talent based and 1% a popularity contest. With that said, hereà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s how ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s going down:

5th place: Syesha
4th place: Brooke
3th place: David Archuleta
RUNNER-UP: Jason Castro
WINNER: David Cook

Tony- your quote above, I fixed this for you, You had a couple of typos – no need to thank me – twarnt nothin

I’m in the pool of people who’re sick of Randy using the “P” word (even Simon and Pauler are starting to cringe when he brings it out). C’mon, Randy, if you really feel the need to talk about people’s pitch problems, at least consult a thesaurus before the show starts. I can’t remember a performance night when Randy didn’t say “pitchy” or “off-pitch” or something similar.

sumidol, LOL

sumidol
Apr 26th, 2008 at 7:39 pm
I guess Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢ll just have to concede that season 7 of American Idol is 99% talent based and 1% a popularity contest. With that said, hereà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s how ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s going down:

5th place: Syesha
4th place: Brooke
3th place: David Archuleta
RUNNER-UP: Jason Castro
WINNER: David Cook

Tony- your quote above, I fixed this for you, You had a couple of typos – no need to thank me – twarnt nothin

:laugh_tb: Cute.

Hisaki
Apr 26th, 2008 at 7:40 pm
Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢m in the pool of people whoà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢re sick of Randy using the à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“Pà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  word (even Simon and Pauler are starting to cringe when he brings it out). Cà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢mon, Randy, if you really feel the need to talk about peopleà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s pitch problems, at least consult a thesaurus before the show starts. I canà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t remember a performance night when Randy didnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t say à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“pitchyà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  or à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“off-pitchà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  or something similar.

Hehehehehe. I think it goes back to that limited vocabulary. Ha! I think he caught a case of “The Paula”. As others have said, she’s been eerily coherent lately.

sumidol, LOL

LOL is right. Nice, sumidol.

But you just know TPTB are pushing to give us an epic emo-rock/inspirationaldreckconcerningbelieving!andrainbows!andhappiness! battle. I’m STILL wishing for Little D to get the shocking boot this year, but I know perfectly well I’m getting in over my head wishing for a thing like that. *sigh*

Hi all! I signed up today, but I’ve been a lurker all season, and I have to say, this is the best place to find news AND intellectual, thought provoking discussion about Idol.
Thank you for adding another layer to the joy of watching AI for the first time. Glad I chose to tune in this year.

Oh, and DC FTW!

Hi all! I signed up today, but Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢ve been a lurker all season, and I have to say, this is the best place to find news AND intellectual, thought provoking discussion about Idol.
Thank you for adding another layer to the joy of watching AI for the first time. Glad I chose to tune in this year.

Oh, and DC FTW!

You have NO idea exactly how much I agree with your entire post. ALL. Of it. ;D

ETA: *headdesk* By the way, welcome! There are quite a number of DC fans on the blog this year, so no doubt you’ll have fun during your stay.

Why DA is giving an interview during the competition? As well as his father a few days ago. Are there precedences like this at all?

In anticipation of Tuesday, here’s a list of ND covers, both songs he’s covered and versions of his songs covered by others.

Personally, I am STILL baffled as to how Carly was voted off. A slam dunk performance usually guarantees safety, despite not having a massive fanbase (like Chikizie and Kristy). The fact that Carly and Syeshaà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s tracks are selling more than both Brooke and Jasonà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s makes me wonder if Carly was REALLY the one with the lowest amount of votes.

A slam dunk performance usually does guarantee safety if you have blown people away the weeks before this performance and Carly did not week after week. David Cook has and so has Jason that is why Jason survived after Memory and David after Innocent. Case in point (or moment?) any of the weeks before David C or Jason, could have worn the “Simon Loves Me Shirt” but not until her last night there did she feel she could. And yes this week Carly is selling more, she has a great voice but Jason has consistently sold more tracks than Carly, not the Davids maybe except for maybe SOTR week against Innocent – I believe?

I canà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t remember a performance night when Randy didnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t say à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“pitchyà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  or à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“off-pitchà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  or something similar.

Randy is a Jackass. I’d like to expound on my Randy hate, but I think I’ve said it all before at this point. He exhausts me – my urge to punch him in his smug face is overpowering. This is why I don’t need to focus hate on any of the contestants – I’ve got it all focused on Randy. He’s an idiot and a moron who pretends he knows way more than he does. Plus – he thought those ridiculous songs he put on his CD were great – which means he lost all musical credibility instantaneously. At this point, the only judge I don’t FF through is Simon. Paula may be making more sense this year, but I can’t get through the “you have a great look, you’re a star, I see your interior E.T. heartlight shinging brightly and I want to phone home” crap.

And…. Welcome Jolene! Happy to have you. I know you’ll like it here

Yeah, why is Little D allowed to give interviews, and, it’s taboo for the others? Just give the kid the title, then we can all enjoy watching David Cook cream him in sales. Heck, for that matter, Jason might too.

Sorry, but, nothing the little 17 year old has to say interests me at all. I can just “Imagine” him on the talk show circuit. Probably worse than Jason. AT least Jason doesn’t giggle after every 2 or 3 words.

Yeah, why is Little D allowed to give interviews, and, ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s taboo for the others?

Unless they thought it was necessary to clear up that whole “stage dad” scandal…. Hmmm. Good question.

Unless they thought it was necessary to clear up that whole à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“stage dadà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  scandalà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦. Hmmm. Good question.

That’s probably it. I mean, Naomi Judd called the dad out in the national media – he should at least be able to respond. I have a special dislike of stage parents in general, but I have no way of really knowing if his dad is what they say he is. So, it’s only fair to give the guy a chance to defend himself and maybe David’s interview is just an extension of that.

I’m not 100% sure this is the first time a contestant has been interviewed before they’ve been booted either. Many others have better memories for this stuff than me – so maybe someone else knows.

That’s why I don’t trust the legitimacy of this DA interview. Touch magazine?

Who said it was taboo to give interviews during the Season? I remember reading past interviews with the contestants although usually they don’t single out one. Maybe I’m not paying attention. I’d say the pimping is pretty even for both Davids with A getting the tongue baths earlier and Cook getting the moist love lately.

Randy makes sense to me and I usually use him to predict Idol success. I’m not on the David Cook love train but the standing O Randy gave him made me think big things are in store for him. I thought Randy was off his nut about Jordin and I’m becoming a fan of hers.

I think we should hand David Cook the title and then see if Little D (isn’t that an old nickname for Daughtry) can do a Daughtry on his sales.

Oh, and DC FTW!

jolene: Hi! and………based on your good taste I think we Cooktards are gonna like you just fine.

sarah: good luck on the UNpacking – you do have your priorities straight – internet for MJ’s and tv for Tuesday and Wednesday night. Just make sure your phone is in working order.

MJ: Good luck on the move – I hope it goes smooth (wow that rhymed).

If Clay Aiken can’t push CD’s with an album of ballads, then I seriously doubt that Little D will be able to. And, let’s face it, like him or hate him, Clay has an extraordinary voice.

with A getting the tongue baths earlier and Cook getting the moist love lately.

JPfan – that is my favorite typo ever! :lol_wp:

Hi all! I signed up today, but Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢ve been a lurker all season, and I have to say, this is the best place to find news AND intellectual, thought provoking discussion about Idol.
Thank you for adding another layer to the joy of watching AI for the first time. Glad I chose to tune in this year.

Oh, and DC FTW!

Welcome, Jolene! First time AI-viewer huh? What made you tune in?

Paula may be making more sense this year, but I canà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t get through the à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“you have a great look, youà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢re a star, I see your interior E.T. heartlight shinging brightly and I want to phone homeà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  crap.

Well, I doubt the show would be half as interesting if Pauler wasn’t there every week trying to swallow down her criticisms (because you know she’s just so much nastier than Simon) and coughing up some sugar instead. But seriously, it’s almost like she’s under contract to dish out compliments the way Simon dishes out analogies concerning hamburgers lacking meat. Or something.

Just give the kid the title, then we can all enjoy watching David Cook cream him in sales.

TPTB are going to suffer if little Archie is given the crown. I don’t know a single friend of mine (I’m 14, so go figure) who would go out and buy an album full of “This Is My Now”-type songs. He could probably input some soul/R&B into his songs if he tried, but we all know Cookie is most likely going to crush him sales-wise anyway. I don’t see Top 40 material in Archie; I really don’t.

David A is a cute little 17 year old with a very good voice. If he gets good Top 40 songs, teen girls will buy his album. If he sings treacle no one will buy it.
I doubt teens are the major purchasers of Clay’s music, just a guess.

That wasn’t a typo. ))

Welcome, Jolene!

I agree that Randy is an idiot who only understands rock and belters with riffs and runs. There, I said for the millionth time. I feel better. :smoke_tb:

Hisaki, you’re 14? Really? You come off as much older. I appreciate your always articulate, well thought out posts.

I definitely agree with your sentiment re: David A.

…with A getting the tongue baths earlier and Cook getting the moist love lately.

Eww at the mental image. But I love that he does.

And thank you all for your warm welcome! So glad to have your virtual company.

For everyone who is sick of Randy, PLEASE add me to the club.

The first couple of seasons I watched AI, he was my favorite judge. Now, strangely enough, PAULER seems to have been making the most sense lately. What is going on? I’m glad she still tries to be nice to the contestants, but you can TOTALLY tell when she thought a performance was horrible.

Welcome, Jolene! First time AI-viewer huh? What made you tune in?

Thank you for your interest, primeminister.
Well, I always watch the auditions for a good laugh, and I was going to stop watching the show soon after, but I happened to catch “Hello” during the semi-finals, and since then I’ve been captivated. I can’t quit DC.
The minute he’s off the show, I have no further interest in AI. But while he’s on, I’m certainly enjoying the ride.

If he gets good Top 40 songs, teen girls will buy his album. If he sings treacle no one will buy it.

I’m almost hoping he keeps coughing up the sugar so that I can sit back and watch DC cream him…but I’m not that evil, so here’s to hoping he can set his mind right and realize that treacle tarts and the like is NOT what is going to get him sales. Well, that’s unless he goes down the singer/songwriter path, but we’ve already got Brooke and Jason to fill those slots. Plus, I doubt Archie could write anything better than an AI-coronation-type song, anyway, judging from his taste in music (“You’re the Voice”, anyone?).

Hisaki, youà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢re 14? Really? You come off as much older. I appreciate your always articulate, well thought out posts.

Aw, thanks. I don’t think I’m “always” so “articulate”, though…I know I definitely come off as fangirl-y sometimes concerning Cookie, lol.

Clay has plenty of tween and teen fans. I’ve been to a few of his concerts, and, there is a huge mix of all ages. Yes, including men.

David A’s song choices – You’re the Voice – are scary. I’m hoping the Dad is the villain. I checked his AI profile and his favs there – Elliott Yamin, Stevie Wonder, John Mayer – are mine also. I’m hoping some of that flavor shows up on the album. If not, it’ll be a huge bomb or deserve to be.

jpfan, AI winners don’t decide what goes into his album. TPTB decide that. So I won’t worry at all. It is likely that TPTB will not ask little David’s taste at all.

Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢d say the pimping is pretty even for both Davids with A getting the tongue baths earlier and Cook getting the moist love lately.

eeeewwwww jp – LMAO You meant most love – right ??

sumidol Apr 26th, 2008 at 7:39 pm

5th place: Brooke
4th place: David Archuleta
3th place: Syesha
RUNNER-UP: Jason Castro
WINNER: David Cook

Fixed

I think they will keep Syesha in the competition till final 3. DArch will be the shocking boot and Brooke will go next. I see a C/C finale coming.

skylight1219 Apr 26th, 2008 at 8:13 pm

If Clay Aiken canà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t push CDà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s with an album of ballads, then I seriously doubt that Little D will be able to. And, letà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s face it, like him or hate him, Clay has an extraordinary voice.

It wasn’t just that it was ballads. It was a CD of mostly cover songs that were panned by the critics based on the tracklist alone. No single, no video, no AI exposure, no print, no promo other than a few daytime shows and it still went Gold. What other AI alumni could have done that?

Have you heard the song samples for his new one? The CD is brilliant and is going to be his comeback to multi-platinum sales.

Well if that wasn’t a typo, jpfan, it was certainly clever! LOL

NO I meant “moist” love which goes with a tongue bath. Repeat, not a typo at all. Plus, oh well never mind. I totally agree that TPTB will completely own David A’s album which for him may be a good thing.

If he gets good Top 40 songs, teen girls will buy his album. If he sings treacle no one will buy it.

I’m not sold on the idea that he could sell a good Top 40 song without some major re-programming. Most young male pop singers have some sort of edge, the ability to move while singing (perhaps dance a little?), the ability to sing an uptempo song, and a cool offstage persona. I think he has the vocal talent, I just don’t think the rest of the pop star components have caught up to his voice. He hasn’t shown any growth, performance-wise, over the last 10 weeks unless you count learning to sort of open his eyes this week. He’s a star to his fanbase, but I don’t think the general public will necessarily buy it. However, he’ll likely win and get his chance to prove the naysayers wrong. I think he’s a nice kid and very talented, but he would have been better off trying this at 20 years old or so.

Is this the night that MJ was going to the White House Corp dinner?

jpfan, AI winners donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t decide what goes into his album. TPTB decide that. So I wonà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t worry at all. It is likely that TPTB will not ask little Davidà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s taste at all.

I didn’t realize it was quite that bad. The winners have NO say whatsoever? Not even the slightest input?
I think, though, that most of the time, if you are dealing with an artist and not with a manufactured “star”, the best option for a high revenue, best selling CD, would be to go with what the artist wants, or at least try to reach a compromise. It comes across when musicians aren’t conveying a heartfelt, authentic message.
Or maybe I’m just being old fashioned and truly no one cares about artistic integrity anymore.

Wow, SpenserJ, tell us what you really think about Randy!

Jolene, what is it like being an Idol watcher for the first time? And did you go searching for someplace that you could discuss Cook, or just general AI news and discussion? I agree, I found mj’s blog back in Season 5, and loved it that year. Since I didn’t really care much for anyone on Idol last year, I kind of skipped the obsessive blog reading. But I’m back to it this year, since I have a personal stake in this thing (well, not really personal, except that I personally want to see Cook win, so he can make some good music for the radio that I try to occasionally listen to).

I was over on one of the other threads earlier today, but let me just say hello here, too. And Hisaki, you really are quite mature. I’m glad to know that not all teens are listening to crap

Rita

Artistic integrity? Can we say Bo Bice? They completely threw him under the bus. They did allow a few of his originals, but, only on a dual CD. They tried to make him a pop singer, and, that wasn’t his niche. On the other hand, they gave Daughtry free rein for the most part. Too bad, they didn’t do that with Bo.

I think TPTB are extremely happy with the two Davids. On one hand they have the whole teen market wrapped up (and yes I know older folks like him), and on the other they have the rock market wrapped up (and yes I know some folks don’t like it.). Seems like a win win for AI if those two are the top two.

There is a huge chance that Castro will knock one of the Davids out.

So for the top 3, I think they will all get a contract of some kind. The winner gets the extremely tight contract with the smaltzy tunes, the other two a slightly less restrictive cd. Is it worth it? It was for Clarkson and Carrie. Clarkson not so much until her second cd, Carrie bingo from the start. The other three winners not so much.

Jolene, I think the artist has input. But a lot of things, like which song is first single, what makes the cut for album will be decided by TPTB. Just look at Jordin and Blake’s albums last year. Blake’s failure is due to a single forced on him I think.

Lisa, I think they hate Jason. Don’t want sign him at all.

I keep waffling about being a winner/runner up. Sure, Bo didn’t get to do what he wanted, but he’s still waaay better off than if he had come in 5th. Now he’s doing his thing and he may not be selling that well, but he can make a good living doing what he loves. Same with Taylor. I’m not sure either of them would be so successful if they didn’t place as well as they did in the competition.

ianamy, I don’t think they hate him at all. I think they are very happy with all the fans all 3 boys bring in. They would be nuts not to be happy.

Ahhh yes, my 14 year old son(very cool, popular, emo -ish son) would not buy David A – but to my delight he had Jason’s SOTR on his myspace profile page SOTR for awhile and one of Cooks, but yes, sigh, my 11 year old son loves David A so we are a family torn but we have fun with it and that is what I try to do with this AI thing- I have to use MJ’s advice from time to time though when a fav like Daughtry last year and Johns this year get voted off – its just a tv show, its just a tv show. And Hisaki, until I had a 14 year old child, I did not realize how very much they have to offer, how insightful they can be. How much more teens are than just the the latest cd or the coolest clothes.

So for the top 3, I think they will all get a contract of some kind. The winner gets the extremely tight contract with the smaltzy tunes, the other two a slightly less restrictive cd.

Lisa, I actually think this depends on who wins. I truly feel that if DC wins (fingers crossed), TPTB will not force him into making an album which so obviously doesn’t fit his style or his target audience. He has shown himself to be a best selling artist when he is doing his own thing, both with the covers (“his thing” being his original arrangements, or his original choices for others’ arrangements) and with his album on Amazon.com. I strongly doubt he’d be forced into a pop niche.
Also, DC has a 2nd album he finished recording right before he auditioned for AI, so (hoping the material is strong enough) there shouldn’t be a lack of original songs to put on the record, and they’d be able to compile it fairly quickly. Obviously he’d re-record some songs, maybe write new ones, maybe get some help from outside writers as well, but I honestly doubt he’d be another Bo Bice.

Lisa, I don’t think they hate Jason, but they certainly don’t love him as they do Archuleta and Cook. They don’t hesitate to pan his (not so great) performances and only give him tongue baths when he’s undeniably good. Like pj said, I’m not sure they know what to do with him.

my 11 year old son loves David A so we are a family torn but we have fun with it

Sumidol – We are a family torn as well. My fave is DC, my 10 year old’s is DA and my 6 year old’s is Jason. I like all of them but I LOVE DC. On results night, I just want it to be a girl that goes and I’ve been feeling that way for quite some time. I think Syesha is Broadway bound and happy about it. Brooke may need meds if she continues to survive being cut.

I think all three boys have fans of all ages, and I still think they will all sell fairly well if iTune is any indication. Will they be grammy winners? Who knows, it is still very early in all their careers.

Jolene, have no idea about what DC would be able to do if he won. Or any of them for that fact. I was a Taylor fan in S5 and had high hopes he would put out something really fantastic, it did not happen (yet, crosses fingers, lol). He was stuck with drivel basically. Chris had a looser contract and got to do what he wanted pretty much and made a kick butt cd. I am still giving huge congrats to him and my older son rubs that in my face daily, lol.

Last year I loved Melinda. She came in third, and I am still hoping for a contract somewhere for her. I knew she was not popular enough, but such a lovely voice! I talked to several people who knew her and she was really that shy.

All of that says nothing really except that you never know who will put out a best selling cd. It might take time, it might never happen. I just hope it does for my guy. How it has to happen does not make a difference to me really (ok I would like DC to win) but I would love for him to sell well.

My favorites all seasons were, Kelly, Rueben, Fantasia, Carrie, Taylor, & Melinda. From that who would have thought I would have ever been a DC fan? LOL I just love all types of music.

I agree primeminister! They tossed him under the bus last week which I don’t really understand at all. Before that I thought they truly loved him. I have thought on that a long time and the only thing I can come up with is they wanted to rile his fanbase into voting harder. Remember how many times Simon threw Taylor under the bus? I bet Taylor still has the scars from all those tire tracks. It did motivate his fanbase into voting like crazy. Just a thought is all.

I have a feeling they learned their lesson to a certain extent with Bice (although maybe only with regards to rock/edgier artists) and wouldn’t try to pigeon-hole DC too much. The fact that he has so much material ready to go bodes very well…at least I hope so.

I’m really curious about David A, though. As much as he might appeal to the coveted Disney demo while on AI, when you compare his stage presence to those who will be his direct competition in this demo (such as Miley Cyrus), he can’t compete, IMO. He needs to be a tremendously dynamic performer, not just a good singer. I can appreciate he has a nice voice, even though it’s not a style I enjoy, but in terms of putting on a ‘show’ on tour, I think he has a great deal to learn and isn’t the easy money maker some seem to think. Just my 2 pennies. Maybe I’m just missing something. lol

Seraphina, Taylor had two previous cd’s and it did not bode well for him, lol. We can only hope!

sumi -

5th place: Syesha
4th place: Brooke
3th place: David Archuleta
RUNNER-UP: Jason Castro
WINNER: David Cook

Tony- your quote above, I fixed this for you, You had a couple of typos – no need to thank me – twarnt nothin

All I can say is :clap_tb:

I think Dave White and I are the only ones not on the David Cook love train. I don’t think he sucks but I’m just not a fan. I’m starting to feel like something is wrong with me. I like David A’s voice but the song choices have made me meh on him. I’ve only really liked two contestants on Idol (Kelly and Elliott) but I enjoy following the show and seeing how it all pans out. Plus people surprise you post Idol which is part of the fun of the show.

Sadly too true, Lisa, too true! I’ll try not to think about that… lol

That’s the thing. I think they gave Carly tongue baths in the beginning when she didn’t deserve them. MJ too. Both came around towards the end of their runs, but it wasn’t enough. I don’t think Jason has ever gotten a pass like that. He’s gotten lukewarm comments (or worse) when he deserved lukewarm comments (or slightly better).

That said, I am not sure what happens on TV reflects what the record execs have in mind. They make a LOT more money on the show than they ever will from the CDs.

WOW…I leave for dinner and the place blows up. People…I dont have enough time to read everything since 5:30 tonight before MJ shuts us down for the change over. I am so not feeling the love from my peeps.

Oh….welcome Jolene…you are now one of my peeps too.

DC FTW!!!!

Ratings are down somewhat so they are trying to stir up some drama. Like trying to drag the news out of DC about Adam. Or having those little girls come on stage for DA and TPTB knew how shy he was. Or showing Jason yawning last week. Or showing Carly’s hubby alot or cutting her down. Same for Syesha. Only one I can’t figure out is why they are after Brooke so hard. It’s almost like they are trying to make her break down. She needs to just let all that go and concentrate on the song, and then zone back in afterwards. Taylor used to do that in the beginning.

Ok now I have talked waaaay past my normal two lines, lol….

I am just lovin’ spenserj’s Randy hate ! (starts humming ‘my girl…”)

jpfan, using Randy as a guide is tricky. Leads to over-anxiety and utlitmate depression — because the jerk is always wrong!

Case in point – on LKL he said he would sign pretty much anyone but Jason. The following week he blurts, something to the effect of” — he could make a record” ! Whatever way the wind blows.

I think Randy’s remarks are all tempered by the attitude of the two other judges and what he ate for lunch.

ps Welcome Jolene!

I think in general, they don’t like to deal with creative artists. They have their own ideas where to take the album. I do think the specific category of rocker makes winning AI losing street cred. Perhaps adult contemporary category, too.

jpfan – The funny thing is, I don’t even LIKE the kind of music DC creates, but for some reason, I instantly liked his sound right from the beginning. It’s a quality in someone’s tone, I think, and also in DC’s case, I find him magnetic when he stands on that stage to perform. The ‘it’ factor. It wouldn’t matter what kind of music he sang (with the exception of melisma – you couldn’t pay me enough to enjoy that. lol). I’ve definitely become more interested in his genre and more appreciative than I perhaps was before.

ETA – can I just say how very happy I am that the story of David’s brother is being spread in major outlets? True class that he hasn’t risen to the bait to mention this on air, and makes me want the public to know what kind of a person he is and what his family is going through all the more.

My mom, who absolutely hates anything rock (and usually likes the “singer” singers like Paris and Melinda), really likes DCook this season for some reason. Idol in Japan is about 3-4 weeks behind, so she just saw Billie Jean and thought he did really well. I reminded her of her dislike for rock singers, and she said Cook wasn’t too screamy that she couldn’t appreciate him. She does NOT like Archuleta, which surprises me.

What is happening here? Is DCook wooing my dear mother too?

Oh, and without hearing any of my opinions, Castro and Cook are my dad’s choice for the Top 2. He says Archuleta is “sooooooo boring.” I must say, my parents have good Idol taste.

Seraphina,

About DC’s stage presence: you’ve hit the nail on the head, this is it for me, too. Funny that in the first audition, Randy urged him to move around more, and in the Hollywood round, Simon felt he was hiding behind a guitar. I think his confidence and comfort on stage is what some take as arrogance and smugness. But foremost to me is that he is a musician. That’s what drew me to Taylor in particular. I know that Chris D. had a band, too, but I just didn’t think of him as a songwriter/musician, for some reason. Cook is inventive and imaginative, even if he is covering others’ covers, it means to me that he is paying attention to what is new and different, and that he knows what’s going to work for himself and for the show.

I saw an interview he did where he was asked who would form his dream band. He replied that he himself would do the vocals in this band because, he said “I’m a self-indulgent little shit”. LOL. So I guess he IS arrogant and smug. (the interview is here: http://musicequalslife.com/Site/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=26&Itemid=2

Rita

ETA – can I just say how very happy I am that the story of Davidà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s brother is being spread in major outlets? True class that he hasnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t risen to the bait to mention this on air, and makes me want the public to know what kind of a person he is and what his family is going through all the more.

Aaahhh, I can’t agree with you more. Some friends of mine recently labeled Cookie as “egotistical” and I had to really suppress the urge to do something bad (I remember taking out my anger on a wall instead). But they’re casual viewers and lurve Archie to death, so I can’t exactly blame them for thinking that. Sigh.

Oh, and without hearing any of my opinions, Castro and Cook are my dadà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s choice for the Top 2. He says Archuleta is à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“sooooooo boring.à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  I must say, my parents have good Idol taste.

So I guess that instantly makes out my parents to have bad Idol taste — because they are all behind the singers who have completely redefined the word “melisma” (yes, dearies, I’m looking at you — SyeshaCarlyArchie). My dad booed ever so loudly when Carly got the boot, loud enough that I heard him through DC’s “All Right Now” at half-volume (which, at least on my computer, is already freaking loud). I’m going to test him next week and see how loud he boos when Syesha is shown the door.

ETA: Rita — OMG, I saw that interview a few weeks back (thanks, bax!) and LOVED it. I think this “arrogance” works for him, though. I mean, can anyone imagine DC coming out with an attitude like Melinda each week? It’d be kind of awkward for him, I must say.

I mean, can anyone imagine DC coming out with an attitude like Melinda each week? Ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢d be kind of awkward for him, I must say.

Oh gosh, NO! Hehehehehe! One of those was enough, and I’m a huge Mindy Doo fan. I can’t even imagine him looking all humble…. Uh uh. Can’t even picture it. When I first saw him, I couldn’t stand him because I was still riding the MJ love train. I didn’t think he was smug, but more…aloof and untouchable. Of course, I now see that’s all an act. I don’t know. He’s a tough cookie to figure out. Heh.

Speaking of sorry first releases for the winners, I think part of the problem is because they are trying to get out a CD before the end of the year and all of that while the contestants are still on tour. It’s the result of shoddy, rushed work. It would be beneficial if a singer/songwriter won. I mean, how many winners have we had that were able to readily contribute to an album? We all saw the hell that broke loose when Kelly tried to write – and that was her third album.

And…I really did think the producers threw Jason in there with the rest of the “cannon fodder”. Remember, we practically knew nothing about him until Top 24. So…they didn’t expect him to be a hit, and DA, Carly, and MJ seemed to be the picks to potentially win. Well, surprise, surprise – Jason Castro caught on. What to do with him now?? Heh. I love it.

GwendolynD, I don’t think they were expecting all the love for DC either. I’m just glad he is on this year. Just as long as I get to buy his cd I will be happy. Course would be happier with him taking the title too!

So true, Lisa. And, there were too many “rockers” thrown into the mix, which led me to believe that they were looking for a rocker frontrunner. The only problem was that they were looking at the wrong one. Robbie Carrico, anyone? Simon had sort of lukewarm responses to DC until “Hello”. Hmmmm…did it turn him on, too? I’M KIDDING!!! But yeah, they got way more than they bargained for with him, too.

Remember how many times Simon threw Taylor under the bus? I bet Taylor still has the scars from all those tire tracks. It did motivate his fanbase into voting like crazy

Lisa, I remember this and Taylor also laughed thru their comments – so – that said lets see who has the last laugh on this one – eh?

I think Dave White and I are the only ones not on the David Cook love train.

Ooh…ooh…ooh! *raises hand high* Add me to that exclusive list of non-fans.

The thing about Cookie is, he’s a fine enough musician, and I can appreciate his talent, but his essential appeal escapes me. It’s not that I think he’s smug or arrogant or derivative or a calculated competitor or anything like that. It’s just that he’s not my cup of tea. Plus he’s in the way of my favorite. So, it’s not you, Cookie…it’s me. M’kay?

I’m all about DA for the simple reason that there is something about how he presents himself that touches me. Is he a goody-two shoes basket full of puppies? Sure! I like puppies. A lot. I also think that he’s quite talented and I like the sound of his voice. And a little melisma never hurt anybody and I actually think he handles it a bit more skillfully than most, including two of the major melismatic offenders (x-tina and Mariah C) who seem unable to do a maneuver without using their hands to guide them up and down the scales. (It’s like moving one’s lips while reading. Uggh…)

Then there’s Jason. *Huge sigh* I know there’s much love for him and more power to the boy if he makes top 2. That’ll be quite the Idol success story. There are many comments made in favor of Jason as #2. Does anyone actually want him to win this thing? Anybody? Beuller?

That’s all I have to say about that

Andà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦I really did think the producers threw Jason in there with the rest of the à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“cannon fodderà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ . Remember, we practically knew nothing about him until Top 24. Soà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦they didnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t expect him to be a hit, and DA, Carly, and MJ seemed to be the picks to potentially win. Well, surprise, surprise – Jason Castro caught on. What to do with him now?? Heh. I love it.

You are so right Gwendolyn, my sister and I noticied him but couldnt remember his name, we kept saying, yeah, we would talk about all the others and then say oh yeah, the dreadhead guy, I liked him but I dont remember seeing him at all, did he make It? Boy and then some

Taylor was always the gent on the show! pssst, Taylor put out a great cd k? k…

DCFTW!!!!

good discussion today, people!
I think the judges’ faves at this point are obviously the Davids, they can do no wrong. They may be warming to Syesha, but Jason and Brooke need to watch out. I am expecting the comments to get more critical of everyone as we move closer to the finale, though.

I agree that Jason was picked as cannon fodder originally; the producers probably thought the dreads would be a gimmick that would last a week or so, I don’t think they counted on him actually being talented and able to withstand the pressure cooker. Hallelujah was not expected. Kudos to him for lasting this long.

I found a post at Rickeys that I want to share. I can’t copy and paste it, because to do so, would be a copyright infringement. Yes, that is true. But, I will attempt to paraphrase the poster’s position.

This guy, works as a professional in the sales/marketing arm of television. He stated he watches the show for market appeal, and, manipulation. Also, he doesn’t have a pony in the race, and, has never voted, and, doesn’t care who wins or loses.

He states his 2 cents on David A. winning. Don’t hate me, I’m just a messenger. He asks that everyone take a step back and be rational, not a rabid fan.

He asks you to think about how you market a product with no real placement. Soft ballads are not top 40/urban radio hits, so, that leaves Adult Contemporary. Also AC stations pull lower ratings, and, play set play lists of older more known songs.

He says that many of the fans have stated that David can sing pop, however, he has not shown that side to his fans. He then asks if he could make an album of tasty pop songs. The answer is yes, but, then he runs the risk of alienating the fan base who have been spoon fed on his ballads.

He states that the target audience is predominately tween. Sure, there are older fans, but, the largest market is the tweens, who have incredibly short attention spans. The earliest an album could be put out is 6 months after the finale,w ith 6 months of no tv time twice a week. He states that it isn’t good to go that long without your face in front of the public. In all fairness, there is the tour, and, tv interviews, but, I’m putting into perspective what he states.

His third point is liability. Little David’s vocal chord damage. He says this is a liability for record companies who shell out millions, and, that he could possibly have future problems in this area. He says that if he wins, they will put out the money, but, then reminds us that Jordin had no vocal problems in the past, and, now is suffering damage. The winner will be working on an album, as well as headlining the summer tour doing 4-6 songs a night, as well as the press in every city.

His other point is personality/temperment/maturity. He stated that Jordin has a bubbly, extroverted personality, and, could handle this well. He says that David is shy, nervous,and, uncertain. Unless he can overcome speaking above a whisper, speak in complete sentences, and, work a group of 100 reporters with skill, they will eat him alive.

Next point is Niche: Disney is not Fox, and, Fox 19/E is not going to ship their winner off to another company. He then states that David does not have the skills and stage presence of Miley Cyrus or the Jonas Brothers,a nd, does not have the “IT” factor to even compare with those megastars

In the end, it comes down to the album, and, money. Units = $$$$ and unless you can move units, you will fail on a big label.

He says that this is a ruthless business, and, unless you can bring something new, original or contemporary to the market, you have an uphill battle to fight, and, with that says that David is in for one hell of a climb.

Sorry, this is so long, but, I found his wisdom enlightening. These could be some of the reasons for some of the so-called failures from the past winners. Even though their fans don’t perceive them as such, ultimately, it’s all about the $$$$.

This is why I think AI needs to go with David C. I’m not even a fan perse of Cook’s, but, from a marketing standpoint, it makes sense.

skylight, very interesting interpretation – is there a link? If so, I’d love to read it.

From what you’ve posted, I agree, totally. If DA gets the crown I suspect he will become the most beleagured Idol ever. He should be allowed to mature at his own speed in *his* own time, before facing the lions. If not, I see nothing but failure for him but…..

I could be wrong.

Sky- WOW…gotta agree with the guy that posted that. Nice find and thanks for sharing.

Sky I totally agree with what he is saying. David Cook is more marketable then DA. All you have to say is Daughtry. I don’t think it started out them wanting Cook, I think once he hit the floor on top 12 guys, he took off running. Once numbers started coming in for votes, and then numbers on itunes sales I believe they started seeing huge $$$ signs.

I still believe they will both get contracts. I think DC has the win tho.

I think MJ will allow me to post the particulars of this. If not, she can delete it. It’s on Rickey.org, of course. Under American Idol season 7, Morning after, ITunes Charts, the Davids are #1, and, #2. It has 300 posts. This particular post is #283.

I’m a Castro fan, and, don’t think Jason can handle the press either. Not at this stage. He needs to brush up on those verbal skills, and, come out of his shell somewhat. I don’t think he’s going to win, but, I’d love to see him in the top 3. I’ll be happy if Cookie wins.

I think MJ will allow me to post the particulars of this. If not, she can delete it. Ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s on Rickey.org, of course. Under American Idol season 7, Morning after, ITunes Charts, the Davids are #1, and, #2. It has 300 posts. This particular post is #283.

I don’t mind if you link to Rickey’s if it’s Idol related…

Thanks, MJ. There seems to be a fan war going on over there. Real nasty stuff. I just happened to glean this gem from reading. I’m a research nut.

So agree with all of the above. I made a suggestion earlier about David A not being able to compete with the likes of Miley Cyrus and it’s interesting to hear someone who works in marketing reiterating the same comparison. No way he can stand with that crowd. I keep thinking why would the producers want him to win over someone like DC who is obviously more marketable? But, who knows what goes on in their minds. lol And it does feel like their thinking has changed.

I’d like to see Jason in top 3, also. Love his sound. Love his demeanor.

ETA – ouch. It does seem a tad nasty over there. Shame it always has to devolve into a war rather than everyone just enjoying their fav…

Webber applauds theatrical ‘Idol’

Friday, April 25 2008, 14:51 BST

By Alex Fletcher, Entertainment Reporter
Webber applauds theatrical ‘Idol’

Andrew Lloyd Webber has said that he had a “bizarre time” as a guest mentor on American Idol.

The composer described the show as “highly theatrical” and claimed there was a contestant good enough to play Nancy if Oliver! were to open on Broadway.

Webber said: “I had a great time on American Idol. It was a wonderful, highly theatrical and somewhat bizarre evening.

“If ever Cameron Mackintosh brings Oliver! to Broadway there was a girl who would be one of the greatest Nancys ever.”

Commenting on individual performances, Webber said: “We had Jason, a guy with dreadlocks, singing ‘Memory’ and a heart-stopping moment when Brooke, who gave a sensational performance at the dress rehearsal, forgot the lyric and had to start again at the beginning of ‘You Must Love Me’, which is something that has never happened in the history of Idol.”

http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/americanidol/a94664/webber-applauds-theatrical-idol.html

I think he was referring to Carly, since the role of Nancy is a mothering type of character.

The girl who played Nancy in the 1963 production of Oliver at the *Imperial Theatre bears a striking resemblence to Carly. Her name was Georgia Brown.

I keep noticing that fewer and fewer people are watching idol this year, just like that article states. I remember it used to be that you could just start talking to random people about Idol and they would have opinions and favorites and stuff…….this year, sooooo few people are watching it, it’s unreal. I tend to go around singing the songs of the week and people ask Me things and I start talking about idol and contestants on it and such and they have no idea what I am talking about, it;s trippy…..totally unreal………….so when I read that article, it totally made sense.

DAFTW!

SUPERGIRL

It seems to me that Lord/Sir/Mr. Weber never mentioned DC in any these interviews he gave. Makes me curious as to what he actually thought of him.

And back to skylight’s post and the thoughts generated — I have to agree about DA having a problem finding a niche in which to markting his CD. I can’t imagine that he’ll be successful. And, well, I’ve said it before somewhere else — if Disney actually wanted him, they would have signed him before now. He’d been seen through Star Search, and if they thought he was the next Miley, they would have snagged him back then. And, personally, I can’t imagine him growing into anything particularly ‘hawt’.

Happy Sunday.

Interesting post about why David A won’t make it big and I agree with most of the points. However, I stopped buying into the music/marketing insider predictions after all those “insiders” predicted doom for Elliott – you know no performing skills, boring, no niche, they’ll never play him on radio. What ever happened to that guy? Not that David A is Elliott but I still think with good songs (not sugary crap), he could do ok.

I don’t necessarily think they are predicting doom for David A, but, just making some good points. The advantage that Elliott had was that he had some family, I believe, in the business, who helped him. But, Elliott could do interviews, he learned some stage skills – I’m not saying that David A., couldn’t, but, Elliott is older, and more mature, doesn’t have the vocal problem.

The thing about Cookie is, heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s a fine enough musician, and I can appreciate his talent, but his essential appeal escapes me.

I like Cookie, but am not in love with him. I haven’t had a clear fave since Chikezie left. I do appreciate that he is a musician and the fact that he plays Gibson guitars. I wanna hear hear him rip a scathing solo, and soon! Just part of my criteria for rock cred. I do think he’s the most marketable of the bunch. Also, I think he looks totally hot on bass in that pic waaay upthread. (um, that is Cookie, right?)

I like Jason and think he has a great career ahead of him. I don’t foresee him having a problem with handling PR duties at all. (with that personality, no way!)

I agree with jpfan on DA doing R & B. He’s got the runs and loves lyrics with a positive message. I think it would be the best fit. My opinion of course.

Jason doesn’t like doing interviews. He’s stated that in one of his previous clips. I think he’ll do ok though as time goes on, cause God knows, he has no idea what’s in store for him once the show is over. They live in a bubble, and, even though they know in their minds that people are watching, they haven’t seen those people until they hit the road. It will get crazy.

Good morning, all

ALW might not have said anything about DC’s performance, but the actor currently performing Phantom of the Opera on Broadway gave a positive critique of it:

http://www.playbill.com/news/article/117074.html

All this discussion of marketing and the target audience has me thinking about Taylor. I recall that many were very encouraged at the idea that he took his time in making his CD, and that he had a great deal of input into it. But I also read lots of concerned discussion as to how the length of time that it took Taylor meant that he kind of dropped “off the radar” of the public, that he failed to capitalize on his win. Of course, there are many who say that his isn’t marketable at all, and I’m afraid that is true, if taken in the industry sense. After all, he is a throwback, and sadly, the world didn’t suddenly decide to embrace his style of music again (dang it, why won’t the world do what *I* want them to do )

I am actually going to a concert tonight, a rare event for me. Oh, I go and hear live music at festivals, but rarely a concert. It’s a benefit for a local musician, and Kenny Wayne Shepherd is coming to his home town to put it on. See, I’m very fortunate to have been born and raised and live in Louisiana, where we get to hear so much incredible music, and where so many people are exposed to a great variety of styles, and where the variety of styles are cherished and cultivated. Kenny Wayne has had great success, but even he is somewhat of a niche musician. His most recent project, however, is hard core blues, and I doubt he could have done it without the success of his rock offerings. This album has received rave reviews, but the general public won’t hear of it, because it is so explicitly blues. But that’s kind of the point about winning American Idol – to get the recognition first, to afford someone the chance to grow and become the artist they wish to be. I’ve also known a lot of starving musicians who have stayed true to themselves for 25 years. They’ve achieved some success, and for some, it’s enough to have made a living playing music. For others, the brass ring was always just a little too far away, and some of these guys will never get over that.

Just some random thoughts for a Sunday morning.

Rita

(the interview is here: http://musicequalslife.com/Site/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=26&Itemid=2

Dammit, David, stop being so funny!

Nags: What was your first tape/record/cd?
David: Oh jesus… Kris Kross. I hate myself already….

Ha! When I was 11, for Christmas, I got my first cd player and 2 cds: Kris Kross and Gloria Estefan’s Greatest Hits so I think I’ve got him beat there. :lol_wp:

Also, DC has a 2nd album he finished recording right before he auditioned for AI, so (hoping the material is strong enough) there shouldnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t be a lack of original songs to put on the record, and theyà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢d be able to compile it fairly quickly. Obviously heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢d re-record some songs, maybe write new ones, maybe get some help from outside writers as well, but I honestly doubt heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢d be another Bo Bice.

I’m really curious about what’s going to happen to that 2nd cd. REALLY curious. I want to hear it. There are some interesting song titles (thanks, cheese! ).

I do appreciate that he is a musician and the fact that he plays Gibson guitars. I wanna hear hear him rip a scathing solo, and soon! Just part of my criteria for rock cred.

I’d love that too, but I’m not betting on it until the tour. If *anything* he did could be called self-indulgent, that definitely would.

There are some hot guitar solos on his solo album though – and he played all guitars on that album. All instruments even, I think, except drums.

Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢m really curious about whatà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s going to happen to that 2nd cd. REALLY curious. I want to hear it. There are some interesting song titles (thanks, cheese! ).

Oh, there’s a tracklist somewhere? And I’m with everyone else who wants to hear his second album!

I’m missing all the guitar solos. If I’m not wrong, the last time Cookie had his Les Paul was for the riffs and vox box thing in Day Tripper, but the only actual guitar solo he’s played on the show was for All Right Now, which was something like 9 or 10 weeks ago. I don’t care if Simon calls him “self-indulgent” or “smug” again, I just want my solo! (Damn you, Guitar Hero…)

About the whole marketing DA discussion, I wholeheartedly agree. I can’t see him being half as successful as Jordin sales-wise if his full-length, debut album is all Lucky Charms. And even if Disney picked him up, I cannot picture him being marketed the way Miley Cyrus and the Jonas Brothers are. If anything, he’ll just be the ballad feeder to their movie soundtracks. If Archie actually wants to be a success on the charts, he’d better show us another “Shop Around” (or another “Think of Me”, but less boring, please) or his sales aren’t going to happen, since he has very rarely shown us that he’s capable of singing radio-ready pop.

Hisaki, here’s a discussion of the track list on David’s second CD:

http://idolforums.com/index.php?showtopic=548264

Lu – I want all the boys to make it to top three also- Jason you are my little engine that could – TBTB did NOT see it coming and at the beginning when I picked DC out of the pack they did not. So we shall see what we shall see

My own personal demo group

daughter 10 David C
son 11 David A
son 14 Jason
son 17 Jason
Husband old David C
Wife old Jason and David C (Torn between 2 lovers feeling like a fool, loving both of them is breaking all the rules) lyrics?

Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢d love that too, but Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢m not betting on it until the tour. If *anything* he did could be called self-indulgent, that definitely would.

Hey Sarah, you are right of course. But if they are allowed to play their instruments, why not a 5 sec solo? Simon’s a DumbA. At the very least, we’ll get to hear more awesome power chords. (Wished I could remember the solo on Day Tripper.) Anyway, I’ve heard very little of his preIdol work (dial up hell here) and am trying to figure out just what type of rocker he is…obviously not heavy metalish, but def. not just Emo (read: Little Sparrow, etc.)