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		<title>By: undecided</title>
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		<dc:creator>undecided</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Feb 2008 14:25:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No one said that there aren&#039;t over zealous fans. There are in every fan base and no one can convince them to dial it down but there is solid evidence that rival groups were largely responsible. They were proud of what they did and have admitted it. Maybe you are not aware of all that went down, MJ.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No one said that there aren&#8217;t over zealous fans. There are in every fan base and no one can convince them to dial it down but there is solid evidence that rival groups were largely responsible. They were proud of what they did and have admitted it. Maybe you are not aware of all that went down, MJ.</p>
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		<title>By: mj</title>
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		<dc:creator>mj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Feb 2008 14:14:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;While I don&#039;t think that all the &quot;Claymate&quot; behaviour can be blamed on psychotic Ruben and Kelly fans&lt;/blockquote&gt;

That&#039;s my point. A fan group doesn&#039;t get a bad reputation unless there are &lt;em&gt;a lot&lt;/em&gt; of shenanigans going on. I don&#039;t believe rival fans playing the impersonation game are solely responsible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>While I don&#8217;t think that all the &#8220;Claymate&#8221; behaviour can be blamed on psychotic Ruben and Kelly fans</p></blockquote>
<p>That&#8217;s my point. A fan group doesn&#8217;t get a bad reputation unless there are <em>a lot</em> of shenanigans going on. I don&#8217;t believe rival fans playing the impersonation game are solely responsible.</p>
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		<title>By: Kirsten</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kirsten</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Feb 2008 12:25:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;It is not a myth. One of the Soulful Sistahs, RubenÃƒ ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s most rabid fans, ratted them out and gave a Claymate her name and password to go and read the secret board where they plotted the campaign. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

While I don&#039;t think that all the &quot;Claymate&quot; behaviour can be blamed on psychotic Ruben and Kelly fans, I wouldn&#039;t be surprised to find out that some of it is due to impersonating of fans. Certainly, fan bases do attack critics and such (especially at the beginning before they discover that it is counter-productive to do so...people will go back to their own fan sites to brag about how they told so-and-so off), but some fans seem so determined that their Idol outlast, outperform and outsell the competition that they do seem extreme enough to want to tar the names of other fan bases.

Many long time posters here at MJs may remember Kenneth who was a hate-filled, mysognistic, racist, homophobic &quot;Kat&quot; fan who turned out to be a dedicated psychotic fan of another Idol (and, for once, it wasn&#039;t a Taylor or Chris D fan).

I think, though most of us would like it to be otherwise, there are some amongst each fan group who are both crazy and stupid enought to think that &quot;defending their Idol&quot; with hate-filled rants is actually helpful. I think that is where the bulk of the hate-filled rants come from. But, I wouldn&#039;t put it pass some other equally crazy people to stir the pot.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>It is not a myth. One of the Soulful Sistahs, RubenÃƒ ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s most rabid fans, ratted them out and gave a Claymate her name and password to go and read the secret board where they plotted the campaign. </p></blockquote>
<p>While I don&#8217;t think that all the &#8220;Claymate&#8221; behaviour can be blamed on psychotic Ruben and Kelly fans, I wouldn&#8217;t be surprised to find out that some of it is due to impersonating of fans. Certainly, fan bases do attack critics and such (especially at the beginning before they discover that it is counter-productive to do so&#8230;people will go back to their own fan sites to brag about how they told so-and-so off), but some fans seem so determined that their Idol outlast, outperform and outsell the competition that they do seem extreme enough to want to tar the names of other fan bases.</p>
<p>Many long time posters here at MJs may remember Kenneth who was a hate-filled, mysognistic, racist, homophobic &#8220;Kat&#8221; fan who turned out to be a dedicated psychotic fan of another Idol (and, for once, it wasn&#8217;t a Taylor or Chris D fan).</p>
<p>I think, though most of us would like it to be otherwise, there are some amongst each fan group who are both crazy and stupid enought to think that &#8220;defending their Idol&#8221; with hate-filled rants is actually helpful. I think that is where the bulk of the hate-filled rants come from. But, I wouldn&#8217;t put it pass some other equally crazy people to stir the pot.</p>
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		<title>By: Chicago-sally</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chicago-sally</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Feb 2008 11:52:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Grammie Kari makes a good point, but as long as she adheres to the rules, I don&#039;t think it disqualifies her.  Is there a COI in the AI contract?  I don&#039;t think so.  But it will cause eyebrows to be raised and she might face backlash from the public.

Jason Castro:  Is he the dreadlocks guy?  Better get rid of the locks dude.  The public won&#039;t go for it.  And if he&#039;s Columbian, he&#039;s South American/Hispanic, and they come in all colors, just like African Americans do.  There&#039;s as much interracial mixing down there as there is here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Grammie Kari makes a good point, but as long as she adheres to the rules, I don&#8217;t think it disqualifies her.  Is there a COI in the AI contract?  I don&#8217;t think so.  But it will cause eyebrows to be raised and she might face backlash from the public.</p>
<p>Jason Castro:  Is he the dreadlocks guy?  Better get rid of the locks dude.  The public won&#8217;t go for it.  And if he&#8217;s Columbian, he&#8217;s South American/Hispanic, and they come in all colors, just like African Americans do.  There&#8217;s as much interracial mixing down there as there is here.</p>
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		<title>By: Grammie Kari</title>
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		<dc:creator>Grammie Kari</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Feb 2008 10:36:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Carly&#039;s album was being promoted during the time that Randy Jackson was an A&amp;R executive for MCA.  It is a conflict of interest.  She took the spot of another worthy contestant.  Only time will tell how this turns out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Carly&#8217;s album was being promoted during the time that Randy Jackson was an A&amp;R executive for MCA.  It is a conflict of interest.  She took the spot of another worthy contestant.  Only time will tell how this turns out.</p>
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		<title>By: undecided</title>
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		<dc:creator>undecided</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Feb 2008 09:50:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;mj   Feb 17th, 2008 at 12:26 pm

    Is it true, as some of the comments following that Taylor article suggest, that fans of other idols actually pretend to be SP and write some of the complaint comments and emails to journalists in order to make the SP look bad? Now thatÃƒ ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s just insane! What would cause people to react so childishly?

And the Claymates will tell you that jellus Kelly Clarkson and Ruben Studdard fans are behind the Claymates nasty reputation.

Fangroup fingerpointing is an old, old Idol story. Sort of like an urban mythÃƒ ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦&lt;/blockquote&gt;

It is not a myth. One of the Soulful Sistahs, Ruben&#039;s most rabid fans, ratted them out and gave a Claymate her name and password to go and read the secret board where they plotted the campaign. She couldn&#039;t live with the guilt and the underhanded tactics any longer. The banner was a picture of Clay&#039;s face with sniper cross hairs on it. There were many who saw the board via the log in and copied the posts. These Ruben fans targeted critics, radio stations and black people in the media with accusations of Claymate racism. Star Jones, Oprah and Wayne Brady were a few high profile people that were sent bogus hate mail disguised as Claymates. 

The Kelly Fans had a different plan. They called and wrote to radio program directors and complained about hearing Clay on the radio. They called over and over to request Clay&#039;s songs and were extremely rude and pushy to the point that those stations were answering any subsequent real requests with a promise to never play a Clay song on their stations now or ever. They also wrote many over the top comments online and e-mails to music critics pretending to be crazy Claymates. They are still doing it and proud of it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>mj   Feb 17th, 2008 at 12:26 pm</p>
<p>    Is it true, as some of the comments following that Taylor article suggest, that fans of other idols actually pretend to be SP and write some of the complaint comments and emails to journalists in order to make the SP look bad? Now thatÃƒ ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s just insane! What would cause people to react so childishly?</p>
<p>And the Claymates will tell you that jellus Kelly Clarkson and Ruben Studdard fans are behind the Claymates nasty reputation.</p>
<p>Fangroup fingerpointing is an old, old Idol story. Sort of like an urban mythÃƒ ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦</p></blockquote>
<p>It is not a myth. One of the Soulful Sistahs, Ruben&#8217;s most rabid fans, ratted them out and gave a Claymate her name and password to go and read the secret board where they plotted the campaign. She couldn&#8217;t live with the guilt and the underhanded tactics any longer. The banner was a picture of Clay&#8217;s face with sniper cross hairs on it. There were many who saw the board via the log in and copied the posts. These Ruben fans targeted critics, radio stations and black people in the media with accusations of Claymate racism. Star Jones, Oprah and Wayne Brady were a few high profile people that were sent bogus hate mail disguised as Claymates. </p>
<p>The Kelly Fans had a different plan. They called and wrote to radio program directors and complained about hearing Clay on the radio. They called over and over to request Clay&#8217;s songs and were extremely rude and pushy to the point that those stations were answering any subsequent real requests with a promise to never play a Clay song on their stations now or ever. They also wrote many over the top comments online and e-mails to music critics pretending to be crazy Claymates. They are still doing it and proud of it.</p>
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		<title>By: t2</title>
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		<dc:creator>t2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Feb 2008 03:31:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just in case y&#039;all were wondering what the &quot;brilliant&quot; minds at Fremantle were dreaming up for us beyond Idol -- oh boy -- take a look:

&lt;a href=&quot;http://television.aol.com/news/story/_a/fox-picks-up-human-tetris-game-show/20080213164809990001&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Television.AOL.com&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just in case y&#8217;all were wondering what the &#8220;brilliant&#8221; minds at Fremantle were dreaming up for us beyond Idol &#8212; oh boy &#8212; take a look:</p>
<p><a href="http://television.aol.com/news/story/_a/fox-picks-up-human-tetris-game-show/20080213164809990001" rel="nofollow">Television.AOL.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: PrplDva</title>
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		<dc:creator>PrplDva</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Feb 2008 03:13:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Good Golly, Miss Molly (and PrplDva!) - I went to take a look and had to cover my eyes! If you scroll down on the VFTW site, you will see a younger, blonder version of Michael Johns (unverified on the authenticity of his ID, of course) in some very steamy shots!&lt;/blockquote&gt;

LOL- well you know I just had to go see, drool slurp etc...but it&#039;s not the same guy.  The lips and nose are very different.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Good Golly, Miss Molly (and PrplDva!) &#8211; I went to take a look and had to cover my eyes! If you scroll down on the VFTW site, you will see a younger, blonder version of Michael Johns (unverified on the authenticity of his ID, of course) in some very steamy shots!</p></blockquote>
<p>LOL- well you know I just had to go see, drool slurp etc&#8230;but it&#8217;s not the same guy.  The lips and nose are very different.</p>
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		<title>By: t2</title>
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		<dc:creator>t2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Feb 2008 01:41:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So since it&#039;a apparently a slow news day (same ole same ole on overdone Carly) can I just say SQUEEE!!! Winger...

Also, I love Don&#039;t Forget the Lyrics and can&#039;t wait to see how Kim Locke does on it. And Yay!!! we get to hear her sing. Also, very ironically, she will be singing with Ricky Minor and his orchestra...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So since it&#8217;a apparently a slow news day (same ole same ole on overdone Carly) can I just say SQUEEE!!! Winger&#8230;</p>
<p>Also, I love Don&#8217;t Forget the Lyrics and can&#8217;t wait to see how Kim Locke does on it. And Yay!!! we get to hear her sing. Also, very ironically, she will be singing with Ricky Minor and his orchestra&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: primeminister</title>
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		<dc:creator>primeminister</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Feb 2008 00:54:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So I don&#039;t remember where or with whom I had the discussion about Jason Castro being white or not.  This may be the wrong thread to post this (MJ, you can delete this if it is).

This video was linked on one of his facebook fan groups.  

&lt;a href=&quot;http://link.brightcove.com/services/player/bcpid1213943137?bclid=1213841334&amp;bctid=1285246060&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Brightcove&lt;/a&gt;

His family is from Columbia, he&#039;s the first in his family to be raised and educated in the States.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So I don&#8217;t remember where or with whom I had the discussion about Jason Castro being white or not.  This may be the wrong thread to post this (MJ, you can delete this if it is).</p>
<p>This video was linked on one of his facebook fan groups.  </p>
<p><a href="http://link.brightcove.com/services/player/bcpid1213943137?bclid=1213841334&amp;bctid=1285246060" rel="nofollow">Brightcove</a></p>
<p>His family is from Columbia, he&#8217;s the first in his family to be raised and educated in the States.</p>
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		<title>By: talullah</title>
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		<dc:creator>talullah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Feb 2008 23:56:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;Wow- was just at VFTW and they found what looks like a recent Ford commercial with Syesha.&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

&lt;strong&gt;Good Golly, Miss Molly&lt;/strong&gt; (and PrplDva!) - I went to take a look and had to cover my eyes!  If you scroll down on the VFTW site, you will see a younger, blonder version of &lt;strong&gt;Michael Johns&lt;/strong&gt; (unverified on the authenticity of his ID, of course) in some very steamy shots!

MJ, do we have the phone number for the lady who is the forensics expert that decided TH&#039;s girlfriend was not the same lady he frolicked with on the beach? She could pick up some $$$ for this job!

I&#039;m surprised no one has noticed this one and commented (I&#039;m usually the last one to find new stuff) but maybe everyone else is taking  very long, cold showers (or having an afternoon delight by proxy.)  Hmmm...is Nascar over yet, Honey?....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>&#8220;Wow- was just at VFTW and they found what looks like a recent Ford commercial with Syesha.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p><strong>Good Golly, Miss Molly</strong> (and PrplDva!) &#8211; I went to take a look and had to cover my eyes!  If you scroll down on the VFTW site, you will see a younger, blonder version of <strong>Michael Johns</strong> (unverified on the authenticity of his ID, of course) in some very steamy shots!</p>
<p>MJ, do we have the phone number for the lady who is the forensics expert that decided TH&#8217;s girlfriend was not the same lady he frolicked with on the beach? She could pick up some $$$ for this job!</p>
<p>I&#8217;m surprised no one has noticed this one and commented (I&#8217;m usually the last one to find new stuff) but maybe everyone else is taking  very long, cold showers (or having an afternoon delight by proxy.)  Hmmm&#8230;is Nascar over yet, Honey?&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: claireb7tx</title>
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		<dc:creator>claireb7tx</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Feb 2008 21:22:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You know what I hate is all the generalizations about any group of people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know what I hate is all the generalizations about any group of people.</p>
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		<title>By: Kat</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Feb 2008 20:51:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, but Nanny, I think y&#039;all are better at weeding out your loons than the SP is :)  Wasn&#039;t there a guy who was like actually physically stalking her or something?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, but Nanny, I think y&#8217;all are better at weeding out your loons than the SP is <img src='http://3888.voxcdn.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />   Wasn&#8217;t there a guy who was like actually physically stalking her or something?</p>
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		<title>By: Nanny Mcphee</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nanny Mcphee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Feb 2008 20:06:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Mcphans have some loons. I&#039;ll own up.  :smile1_tb: :innocent1_tb:</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Mcphans have some loons. I&#8217;ll own up.  :smile1_tb: :innocent1_tb:</p>
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		<title>By: abbysee</title>
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		<dc:creator>abbysee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Feb 2008 19:02:15 +0000</pubDate>
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