Idol Headlines for 12/18/09

Well, considering Chelsea Lately’s ratings, gotta say that either the Idol Bubble has gotten very large this autumn or Adam has moved outside of it…

Another full-page photo of Archie in M magazine…

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This is absolute reality

‘Oh, yeah,’  he laughs with an almost ‘duh’  tone. ‘So much has come out of ‘American Idol’ ‘” Kelly Clarkson and Daughtry and Carrie Underwood. It has given a different perspective of music to people.’ 

Metro International

Mr. Lambert’s act left viewers feeling not just offended but assaulted. Again, ‘we don’t care what you do in New York,’  but don’t include us in it, don’t bring it into our homes. Our children are here.

Oh honey get out more. This the stupidest article ever.

i agree squirrely…this woman should relax. ughh…and to focus on adam like that..i think its a secret crush on him. shes ridiculous.

That WSJ article was, indeed, dumb. Not much to say about that kind of opinion article, anyway.

Maybe the WSJ should focus on the economy.

squirrely and adamlover – I didn’t understand that article at all, was she being sarcastic or serious…

At any rate, I Love Adam, I don’t care a fig about the AMA’s or the naysayers. Adam has a beautiful voice and spirit…he had to grow into this self awareness and confidence, and I like what he brewed!!! The sexiest male alive in the entertainment industry!!!

I think she is trying to get more page hits, she used Adam’s name as much as possible. Well, don’t stop here, why don’t you blame Adam for global warming or economic crisis lol

Peggy Noonan’s article doesn’t actually make much sense, but if she wants to make Adam a cultural icon — well OK. It just makes him more famous.

Also, the show was rated PG-14 so enough about the 8 year old viewers.

The WSJ article…..so now….Adam is responsible for the moral fiber of our country?!! GIVE ME A BREAK! (Rolling eyes and shaking head)!!!!!!

Are you kidding? WSJ article, parents that let their kids watch, 11 yrs & 8 yrs old should be held accountable. Not the Adam’s of the world, those are not and have never been Disney PG shows. She is so off in left field.

About the Noonan article. I have an 8 and 11 yr old coincidentally and they were in bed at the time of the AMA’s for school the next day. I was being a responsible parent because I know that the AMA’s usually give very suggestive performances and not just Adam Lambert’s performance. This Noonan person lays the blame of society’s morals on an entertainer/singer on Adam Lambert to get hits on her page. It’s the parents (gay or straight) not the media or celebrities, athletes (Tiger Woods), musicians/singers who bear responsibility and can set the best example of morality for their kids. Also I teach my kids to love everyone gay or straight and I don’t freak out when 2 females or males kiss on tv as kids learn by example.

Thank you, Peggy Noonan, you have single handedly given Adam more “pop culture status” in one silly article then a year’s worth of well placed legitimate marketing. So, I send you a cyber-space bouquet of roses…they are richly deserved.

Peggy Nooan is a HUGE conservative. She believes everything she wrote. I’m actually surprised she up that late watching it myself though knowing what I know about her politics. lol

Was Adam’s AMA performance a bad decision? Maybe so. But gay people have been around since humans have existed. They aren’t vampires that have to hide during the day and come out at night. If you don’t like something or someone, turn the channel and move on. But don’t expect them to not exist. Its ridiculous.

UPDATE: Lambert’s appearance resulted in ‘Chelsea Lately’s’  biggest audience ever ‘” 1.3 million viewers.

I hope those new viewers turn into album buyers. lol

Thank you, Peggy Noonan, you have single handedly given Adam more ‘pop culture status’  in one silly article then a year’s worth of well placed legitimate marketing.

Good point.

I love Parker’s interview with Russell. So interesting to learn that contemporary was a real challenge for him and that he was glad not to do much krumping because he wanted to prove he’s not just a krumper. I’m surprised he didn’t say ballroom was his biggest challenge, since–to me, at least–he seemed much better at contemporary than ballroom. It was good to get a better feeling for exactly how much training he actually has. Sounds like he’s had more than Nigel wanted people to think, but less than I thought he had. I just love him. He’s going to share the $ with his family, friends, and people “who need it.” Aww.

unique28v, lol “gay people are not vampires that have to hide during the day and come out at night” – PRECIOUSS

UPDATE: Lambert’s appearance resulted in ‘Chelsea Lately’s’  biggest audience ever ‘” 1.3 million viewers.

I hope those new viewers turn into album buyers. lol

This could be that laready established fans of Adam tuned into Chelsea Lately to see him – I have a feeling this is what caused such an audience increase for her – so these extra viewers likely already have the album.

Wow, that WSJ article on Adam was awful. Did she really call Adam an idiot when she said, “with an idiot’s logic.” That woman probably has NO IDEA what kind of a person Adam really is. If America is on the ‘wrong track’ it’s not because of Adam. If America has a ‘problem’ it’s not because of Adam. I think Adam is a role model for American children…he’s kind, polite, articulate and I’ve never heard him say a bad word about anyone. The thing that makes me sad is that Adam will probably read this ‘idiots’ article. I think this nasty woman is ‘America’s problem’ !!!

I agree with those who think Noonan used Adams name to get hits. Good thing Adam likes shoulder pads as he has just had the demise of American culture placed on his shoulders.

With an idiot’s logic that was nonetheless logic, he suggested he was the focus of bigotry: They let women act perverse on TV all the time, so why can’t a gay man do it?

seems Peggy is:
1. proving Adam’s point since she did not mention any problem w/ the performances leading up to Adam’s and leaves the impresion that the rest of the show was a Sesame Street production. (Peggy, no probs w/ JJ’s crotch grab? no probs w/ Riannas bondage gear? liked Gaga? )

2. “Mr. Lambert’s act left viewers feeling not just offended but assaulted”……really? left ALL viewers? SOME viewers? What viewers…oh..1500…. I think she gets that many negative comments every time she appears on MSM news programs.

3. Peggy has demonstrated that SHE is the one w/ idiot’s logic and is pimping Adam’s name to headline her article for her own $$$ interests.

IMO – I’ve been aware of her for many years and think she’s a pompous
jackass.

Jesse McCartney wants to write music for Adam with a glam-rock Queen vibe. I love the idea. I thought Adam’s album was going to lean a little more that way, but I love the album and the ‘pop’ side is very ‘shake you asses’. But a whole just straight glam-rock Queenish album would be great. Of course, a straight up cabaret album (Come Home, Crazy, I Can’t Make You Love Me, I Just Love You etc. etc.!) would be fantastic, too!! Adam can sing anything so whatever way he decides to go with his next album, I will buy it!

Maybe the WSJ should focus on the economy.

Or maybe that was her editorial opinion? And people can love it or hate it but it doesn’t make it less valid than the opinions of those who love Adam no matter what? There are people who found him offensive and that doesn’t make them all out of touch, crazy homophobes.

i was more taken aback when rhianna came out sporting a thousand guns and ammunition…and annoyed having eminem etal sing songs that were 90% bleeped out.

but adam represents all that is bad in the world.

if loving him is wrong, i dont want to be right!!

Wow, that WSJ article on Adam was awful.

I tend to think that article is good publicity for Adam. Not everyone who reads WSJ agrees with Peggy Noonan, and those who don’t, suddenly have a reference point to who Adam is, and might even be more prone to check his music out to see what the fuss is about. Those who agree with Noonan, well they were never likely to support Adam’s music anyway, so no loss there.

Peggy Nooan is a HUGE conservative.

Well, yep. She was Ronald Reagan’s speech writer.

ljsmack
12/18/2009 at 11:01 am
I agree with those who think Noonan used Adams name to get hits. Good thing Adam likes shoulder pads as he has just had the demise of American culture placed on his shoulders.

LOL … yes, I guess 1499 negative voices is the new threshold..one more than that and the “demise” has begun!

Ugh I hate articles blaming outside influences like TV shows and video games and music that are sexual or violent for all parenting and world problems. Alot of times the real problem is the parents themselves and it is easy to blame society when your kids screw up. When kids are younger under 12 parents actually have alot of control usually, when they are teens not so much.

With an idiot’s logic that was nonetheless logic, he suggested he was the focus of bigotry

Oooh, not nice, Peggy. She calls him an idiot. I don’t like name calling.

I’m sure many of you know, but for those who don’t, Peggy Noonan was a MAJOR speechwriter for Reagan. She’s quite a good writer, actually. She wrote the speech Regan delivered after the space shuttle Challenger exploded, which was exceptionally well received. Do you recall it? Beautiful.

She doesn’t sound like much fun in this article though. LOL.

If anyone is interested in the battle for Christmas #1 in the UK between Joe and Rage Against The Machine, it looks like it is going to be a close fight. The number of singles sold so far –

———–JOE——RATM
MON – 77,000 83,000
TUE – 110,000 175,000
WED – 216,000 253,000
THU – 297,192 306,115

For those who don’t know, a bit of the background – Christmas #1 is a big thing in UK singles chart, it’s the reason why the entire season of X-Factor is scheduled such that it can release the winner’s coronation song just in time to claim this prize. X-Factor winner’s songs have been the Christmas #1 for the last four years, and now there is a strong campaign to stop Simon Cowell winning his fifth consecutive #1. However Rage Against The Machine is only sold via digital download, whereas Joe’s singles is also sold as physical units – it’s the reason why Joe has been narrowing the gap the last couple of days. And just as a guide, last year Alexandra Burke sold around a quarter of a million physical singles first week (out of more than half a million in total for the week), although I doubt Joe will sell as many. Two more days to go, either of them can still win it.

Peggy Noonan also argued that Americans shoud be kept ignorant of their own country’s use of torture:

“Some things in life need to be mysterious,” Noonan said . . . about the release of the torture memos. “Sometimes you need to just keep walking . . .”

That puts her understanding of morality into perspective, in my opinion.

(Too serious for a fun blog about music, I know – sorry.)

Niall
12/18/2009 at 11:06 am

Maybe the WSJ should focus on the economy.

Or maybe that was her editorial opinion? And people can love it or hate it but it doesn’t make it less valid than the opinions of those who love Adam no matter what? There are people who found him offensive and that doesn’t make them all out of touch, crazy homophobes.

I would agree with you if she had a problem with a few of the performances of the AMA. It seems her moral compass only pointed to the gay man. Not liking Adam performance and feeling it was crude is one thing but to say it is the cause of the downfall of the moral fiber of America is way OTT hyperbole, from which ever viewpoint you may have of his performance. Beside she wrote her opinion for all to see we have just as much right to critique her opinion as she is allowed to voice her’s about Adam.

Besides she needs to get her facts straight he is not from New York he is from LA.

Mr. Lambert’s act left viewers feeling not just offended but assaulted. Again, ‘we don’t care what you do in New York,’  but don’t include us in it, don’t bring it into our homes. Our children are here.

Yes, because New York is not America. Nice to know that I have been disenfranchised Ms. Noonan.

I saw these mediabase stats posted elsewhere. How about some numbers this morning?

Top 40
27 KRIS ALLEN Live Like We’re Dying 2096 1763 +333 11.983
38 ADAM LAMBERT Whataya Want From Me 995 710 +285 7.739

Hot AC
14 KRIS ALLEN Live Like We’re Dying 1877 1677 +200 8.038
45 ADAM LAMBERT Whataya Want From Me 236 214 +22 1.571

ETA: Week of Dec. 11 – Dec.17

adamlover
12/18/2009 at 11:06 am
i was more taken aback when rhianna came out sporting a thousand guns and ammunition’ ¦and annoyed having eminem etal sing songs that were 90% bleeped out.

me too!

if loving him is wrong, i dont want to be right!!

me too!

Yup I just went out on the web to check if Peggy noonan did write speeches for Nixon and yes she did. My memory didn’t fail me. She also wrote for Reagan and CBS news. So politics she may know — although I’m not sure how that equips her to pontificate on the moral “highground,” using Adam to get hits. He performed for 3+ minutes. He is an entertainer who has not presumed to represent anything. There are 20minutes in a former bosses life that had a little more impact.

I think Adam is a role model for American children’ ¦he’s kind, polite, articulate and I’ve never heard him say a bad word about anyone.

I’ve never seen anyone from his past who knows him and/or worked with him, say any unkind thing about him.

Jesse McCartney wants to write music for Adam …. ‘I’d like to write something for Adam Lambert, ’cause I feel LIKE there’s so many people LIKE trying to do that thing for him and it’s a little unfocused for me,’ 

Oh please….just….NO!

I was pleasantly surprised when I read the first sentence of the Adam article and thought it would be about how Adam’s performance came down to a breach of trust because he went off script, and that breach of trust was really what the cancellations were about. As I read on I instantly knew it was a stupid Peggy Noonan culture war piece, however. Her sanctimonious tone is instantly recognizable lol. I don’t agree with her article at all, but I was surprised to see a lot of people didn’t know who she was, she is a pretty prominent national columnist, not some Idol blogger for EW or something.

Top 40
27 KRIS ALLEN Live Like We’re Dying 2096 1763 +333 11.983
38 ADAM LAMBERT Whataya Want From Me 995 710 +285 7.739

Nice!!!

I don’t agree with her article at all, but I was surprised to see a lot of people didn’t know who she was, she is a pretty prominent national columnist, not some Idol blogger for EW or something.

Now we know. Maybe that was her intention?

From HDD:

YOUR CHRISTMAS WEEK CHART PREVIEW: No big surprise at the top of the chart next week, as Susan Boyle logs her fourth consecutive week at #1. This is only the second time this year an album has remained at #1 for four consecutive weeks’”Taylor Swift’s Fearless held onto the top spot for seven consecutive weeks beginning on Dec. 14, 2008. Swift has been #1 a total of seven non-consecutive weeks this year, and 10 non-consecutive weeks overall. As for debuts, the big question is: Will the next two days be strong enough for Alicia Keys that she’s able to catch Andrea Bocelli for #2? With the final weekend before Christmas upon us, next week’s chart is a welcome present for the industry. Here’s how it looks seven days before the big holiday:
Susan Boyle (Columbia) 600-650k
Andrea Bocelli (Decca) 400-420k
* Alicia Keys (J/RMG) 370-390k
Taylor Swift (Big Machine) 250-270k
Carrie Underwood (19/Arista Nashville) 130-150k
Michael Buble (Reprise) 130-150k
Lady Gaga, The Fame (Interscope) 125-135k
Justin Bieber (Island/IDJ) 125-135k
Glee: The Music, Vol. 2 (Columbia) 110-120k
Michael Jackson’s This Is It (Epic) 110-120k
Lady Gaga, The Fame Monster (Interscope) 110-120k
* Robin Thicke (Star Trak/Interscope) 110-120k
Glee: The Music, Vol. 1 (Columbia) 100-110k
* Denotes debut
Meanwhile, the battle for the best selling album of 2009 is heating up. After next week, Swift’s sales project to 2.93m, and Boyle’s to 2.43m. Based on current trends, both albums are projecting to over 3m by the chart ending Jan. 3, 2010, which will count in 2009. (12/18a)

Just WOW at SuBo!

bridget
12/18/2009 at 11:13 am
Peggy Noonan also argued that Americans shoud be kept ignorant of their own country’s use of torture:

‘Some things in life need to be mysterious,’  Noonan said . . . about the release of the torture memos. ‘Sometimes you need to just keep walking . . .’ 

That puts her understanding of morality into perspective, in my opinion.

(Too serious for a fun blog about music, I know ‘“ sorry.)

excellant point!….so I’ll revise my opinion of Peggy..she’s a hypocriticalpompous jackass.

p.s. no apology needed..the background info helps put PN’s comments in perspective… and bridget, I love hearing your views… serious or funny!

Peggy Noonan is very well known in the “political bubble”. I guess she is trying to expand her base. lol

Top 40
27 KRIS ALLEN Live Like We’re Dying 2096 1763 +333 11.983
38 ADAM LAMBERT Whataya Want From Me 995 710 +285 7.739

As nice as these stats are this isn’t the official weekly chart yet – this is the chart that is updated on a daily basis for the previous week – the official chart is the Sunday night/Monday morning one – I’m hoping for them both to be even higher on that one

I still contend that America has less of an issue w/ two women kissing than it has with two guys kissing. But that’s not the problem with Noonan’s article. HOW MANY TIMES does Adam have to come out and say he got caught up in the moment, he admits that he didn’t follow what he had done in rehearsal, in hindsight he would not have down it again tho he won’t apologize for it (good for him), that 8 year olds should not be up at 11PM on a school night watching the AMAs…

Why won’t Noonan and others let this go? Oh, b/c it get them HITS (as noted). I forgot about that. I can’t believe Shaun Hannity hasn’t weighed in on this yet, b/c Billo has.

And yes, violence is more accepted in America than sexuality is (just look at movie ratings). Sadly, it’s been that way in America for a long time, maybe forever.

MTV full Man of the Year list The King of Pop – rest his soul – is #1

ETA: Better link

http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1628515/20091217/jackson_michael.jhtml

Carrie Underwood (19/Arista Nashville) 130-150k

Ahh, that would put her so close to platinum!! I hope the they underestimate her and she officially makes platinum before Christmas!

Peggy Noonan has written mostly banal and inane columns for a while, the only thing I look forward to with her is how Wonkette will skewer her. Their Blingee picture of her alone, is a good thing. Wonkette! I really hope that Wonkette decide to comment on this column of hers, now THAT would be fun and of course, include many comments on teh buttsecks.

So while I didn’t like Adam’s performance, I certainly didn’t think he was destroying America with that act.

Peggy Noonan is famous for a) being a very good writer, and b) being all about the culture war. She’s had five NYT bestsellers. She wrote Reagan’s best stuff that defined him for America. She’s responsible for the “thousand points of light” and “kindler, gentler nation.” What she’s good at it is hiding her repressive, schmaltzy nonsense under pretty prose. That she thought Adam was important enough to take on should be a compliment.

This is reminiscent of Mitch Albom and his fame ho piece — he’s the freakin’ guy who wrote “Tuesdays With Morrie.” He’s best pals with Oprah, he’s had at least three TV movies of his fuzzy-wuzzy, inspirational books, he’s a major spokesperson for leading a purpose-driven, live every day to the fullest, be all that you can be kind of life, but if he dares say he doesn’t think Adam (or the other fame hos on Barbara Walters’ list) are fascinating or worthy, he’s suddenly just some know-nothing sportswriter who is clearly a homophobe and a moron. You can read “Tuesdays With Morrie” and decide for yourself if he’s a moron or you think his approach is shallow or obvious, but at the moment, he and Peggy Noonan are both way more accomplished than Adam Lambert.

You can read ‘Tuesdays With Morrie’  and decide for yourself if he’s a moron or you think his approach is shallow or obvious, but at the moment, he and Peggy Noonan are both way more accomplished than Adam Lambert.

It’s still a stupid article. She must be losing her touch.

I agree with those who think Noonan used Adams name to get hits.

Peggy Noonan does not need anyone’s name to get hits. She’s huge and very, very widely respected and beloved in the conservative world.

Hearing Jesse McCartney’s video clip was very interesting. I can’t wait to see what Adam comes up with on his next album. Will he continue on his current eclectic path? Will he do something like Jesse is suggesting? He’s the only guy out there right now that has all of these options available to him. He can vocally pull off anything, and he’s got industry greats practically salivating to work with him.

How many people that turned Adam down in the last 8 years are kicking their own asses right now?

very widely respected and beloved in the conservative world

a ha – that explains everything

gangreen29
12/18/2009 at 11:31 am

Carrie Underwood (19/Arista Nashville) 130-150k

Ahh, that would put her so close to platinum!! I hope the they underestimate her and she officially makes platinum before Christmas!

I hope so TOO!!!!!

Mr. Lambert’s act left viewers feeling not just offended but assaulted. Again, ‘we don’t care what you do in New York,’  but don’t include us in it, don’t bring it into our homes. Our children are here.

I had to laugh at this because we all know that these reprehensible things are ONLY done in New York–the center of all that is evil in this world!! LOL.

They love to pick on New York–that’s where all the gays and weirdos are after all.

ETA: In case it’s not clear, I am joking here!!

Peggy Noonan does not need anyone’s name to get hits. She’s huge and very, very widely respected and beloved in the conservative world.

She doesn’t need hits, that’s for sure. And yeah, I’m sure she’s widely respected in the Conservative world…I’m more of Wonkette’s opinion of her, personally.

Oh and even good writers, can occasionally write stupid things. It happens. Not everyone is right about all their points. I think that Peggy missed the mark on this one, as usual for her.

Meanwhile, the battle for the best selling album of 2009 is heating up. After next week, Swift’s sales project to 2.93m, and Boyle’s to 2.43m. Based on current trends, both albums are projecting to over 3m by the chart ending Jan. 3, 2010, which will count in 2009

Un-be-fracking-lievable. I’m no Taylor Swift fan, but I admire her for what she’s accomplished. If SuBo sweeps in and takes over the #1 album of ’09 just like that, I will be a little peeved for Taylor. Never thought I’d be pissed on her behalf, cuz like I said, I don’t even like her that much! Guess I hate SuBo that much…

Andrea Bocelli (Decca) 400-420k
* Alicia Keys (J/RMG) 370-390k

Go Alicia! C’mon, current music. Nothing against Bocelli, but for the sake of the industry, I’d like to see current music represent on the sales charts, and prove that young music listeners WILL pay for their music, at least some times?

Carrie Underwood (19/Arista Nashville) 130-150k

Something I can cheer about– it’d be pretty rockin if she sells platinum by Christmas. Gooo Carrie!

Peggy Noonan does not need anyone’s name to get hits. She’s huge and very, very widely respected and beloved in the conservative world.

I agree, but she will get more hits than she usually receives. God knows the last time I read one of her articles, but I read this one.

Good thing no comments are possible after the article. It would have been brutal. Ugh!!

Just LOL at Peggy Noonan, a giant in shaping the Reagan revolution in years past, placing the blame for the downfall of American culture on Adam’s adorned shoulders after one raunchy performance on television.

That’s a pretty powerful crotch.

but at the moment, he and Peggy Noonan are both way more accomplished than Adam Lambert.

I would hope so….haven’t they been doing their thing for decades and decades. I don’t think anyone is disputing the fact that the peeps writing legitimate articles do have a resume’ far longer, deeper, and more “inspiring” than Mr. Lambert’s.

I just think it is rather amusing that a “newbie” in the world of entertainment is even worth their time and trouble to be a focus of an article written by them. Either it says that Ms. Noonan isn’t in touch with the depth of pop culture or it says she is, in this instance, being a rather lazy writer and just latching on to the latest artist with media presence.

If I didn’t have a clue who the women is (and really she isn’t a household name) I would still be laughing that the respected Wall Street Journal would think that this “piece” of jibberish is worth of placement on their media site. It isn’t newsworthy and has little impact on the issues of the day that draws readers to their site. The whole thing is just a bit weird and OTT for me. I really, like others have said, is just a way of getting “hits” on the internet and showing the advertisers that the site is still relative. That is how all “for profit” internet sites work.

Go Alicia! C’mon, current music. Nothing against Bocelli, but for the sake of the industry, I’d like to see current music represent on the sales charts, and prove that young music listeners WILL pay for their music, at least some times?

Is this Alicias first sales week?

Good thing no comments are possible after the article. It would have been brutal. Ugh!!

Heh, look again, there’s a separate tab for them. When I read it earlier, there were already several pages of them.

soverymel

Just LOL at Peggy Noonan, a giant in shaping the Reagan revolution in years past, placing the blame for the downfall of American culture on Adam’s adorned shoulders after one raunchy performance on television.

That’s a pretty powerful crotch.

Ain’t that the truth?

In all his interactions that I’ve been privy to, Adam has presented himself as an intelligent, funny, articulate and grounded person. Hardly the 5th horseman. I didn’t care for the crotch-business at the AMA’s, but it was an unguarded moment by a young man. Nothing more.

He’s a musician. An entertainer, and that’s all I’ve heard him say he ever wanted to be. “Fame and fortune” are ancillaries–in no way the be-all and end-all of what he’s seeking. He likes to dress up and put on a show. Good for him.

But because he has chosen the music business as his life I believe that Adam will become a major role model for gay teenagers. And if his success and level-headedness can lessen the pain and alienation of even one child, then he will be the furthest thing (in my mind at least) from what Ms. Noonan is accusing him of.

She needs to untwist her bloomers and focus on one of the real assaults on our culture: the number of talentless flacks being foisted upon us as the next great thing. Last week, in an online discussion of auto-tune, one commenter said (completely without irony) “I want my singers to actually be able to sing.” Me too, babe.

This is reminiscent of Mitch Albom and his fame ho piece ‘” he’s the freakin’ guy who wrote ‘Tuesdays With Morrie.’  He’s best pals with Oprah, he’s had at least three TV movies of his fuzzy-wuzzy, inspirational books, he’s a major spokesperson for leading a purpose-driven, live every day to the fullest, be all that you can be kind of life, but if he dares say he doesn’t think Adam (or the other fame hos on Barbara Walters’ list) are fascinating or worthy, he’s suddenly just some know-nothing sportswriter who is clearly a homophobe and a moron. You can read ‘Tuesdays With Morrie’  and decide for yourself if he’s a moron or you think his approach is shallow or obvious, but at the moment, he and Peggy Noonan are both way more accomplished than Adam Lambert.

So while resting on her laurels she can spout shit, and say “I don’t have to be good, or be more relevant anymore because I once was?” The article is silly and if I might say so smells a bit of fame-whoring, after all I am sure she could have made her point every so much more pertinent if she had used someone as accomplished as she is. Isn’t that the gist? I am not saying she wasn’t a great writer, after all Ronald Regan went down in history as the great communicator, in no small part to Ms. Noonan, but this is just a tired, insipid piece of tripe.

It’s funny the point is always that Adam has accomplished nothing, so anyone who has done so has earned the right to take shots at him. No matter if said shots miss the mark, and the point. Then what does that make him? Why is is such a lightening rod for this kind of attention?

KLI

Just so you know, there are actually 100s of comments on this article. They start off very religious and rah rah for the article and then the Adam fans/non pious types are there in full force! It is heartwarming to read so many passionate and well thought out replies to this woman’s personal opinion of Adam and all that is wrong in America.
When you are at the article, there is a link to the comments. Very worthwhile to read them!

You can read ‘Tuesdays With Morrie’  and decide for yourself if he’s a moron or you think his approach is shallow or obvious, but at the moment, he and Peggy Noonan are both way more accomplished than Adam Lambert.

Well no matter how accomplished someone is (all the work you reference seems to be at more creative times in their lives) does not make all they write or do good and can still make them morons. I would think people who don’t like Adam or his performance would not be happy as these writers of such “prominence” are giving him Such Power. I find it funny that people argue that he is a flop in the music world and not selling good enough and his label is going to drop him and in their next breath say he is Powerful enough to be the single cause of the moral destruction of our children and society. It’s hysterical.

I see I’m in the minority here (as if I didn’t know that) – I love Peggy Noonan, she writes insightful and thoughtful commentary, usually after she’s thought about something for quite a while. You rarely get knee-jerk reactions from her. Whether or not you agree with her, she gives you something to think about. She’s been around and seen it all. I happen to read plenty of commentary from the liberal side as well, it’s how one becomes an informed voter. JMO.

Peggy Noonan does not need anyone’s name to get hits. She’s huge and very, very widely respected and beloved in the conservative world.

Well, that’s not my world. I don’t find the conservative penchant for demonizing people who aren’t conservative very attractive. Not referring to you, the poster, of course, but Noonan and her ilk. Their tactics are so old hat and worthy of nothing more than a big yawn.

I find it funny that people argue that he is a flop in the music world and not selling good enough and his label is going to drop and in their next breath say he is Powerful enough to be the single cause of the moral destruction of our children and society. It’s hysterical.

It’s baffling, I tell ya.

Something I can cheer about’“ it’d be pretty rockin if she sells platinum by Christmas. Gooo Carrie!

THIS! If the Soundscan figures end up in that ballpark, she be really close if not already there. I think she’ll hit it the following week so that she’ll be there by year’s end.

I had to laugh at this because we all know that these represensible things are ONLY done in New York’“the center of all that is evil in this world!! LOL.

Sure it’s evil…until they need to talk about 9/11. Which as Jon Stewart says, ‘New York was “real America,” enough to be attacked by the terrorists.’ So people talking about it not being “real American” enough, or not having a real sense of values like the rest of America, can blow it out their…ear.

I know puh-lenty of people in New York who didn’t like Adam’s AMA act, this Liberal on the Left Coast didn’t, but I don’t think it scarred the chirruns or will destroy the fabric of society. And while I do happen to disagree with Adam’s justifications of it, I don’t find that somehow it’s indicative of anything, but Adam and how he viewed the situation. His logic may be off, but as he says, he wasn’t try to piss anyone off, and he gets that the taste level might not be there for everyone.

It’s much too early for me to try and slog through Princess Peggy’s “logic,” so…how about Cook doing the NA for the Chiefs? That’s cool! He must be so stoked, considering what a sports nut he is.

Peggy Noonan does not need anyone’s name to get hits. She’s huge and very, very widely respected and beloved in the conservative world.

She doesn’t need hits, that’s for sure. And yeah, I’m sure she’s widely respected in the Conservative world’ ¦I’m more of Wonkette’s opinion of her, personally.

I’m not sure about the “doesn’t need hits” thing.

For one thing, today *everybody* needs hits.

And, for another, Noonan’s major political activities are now historical and getting farther away every minute, and I’m not sure that the new generations of conservatives are nearly as tuned into her or who she is as older folks have been — and it’s hits from younger people that everybody’s looking for.

And, for a third, while she is a long-time culture warrior, she is nowhere near as knee-jerk culture-warring as many of the current Teaparty folks and such are; she at least outwardly has always taken a much softer line than that, just as Reagan appeared to do. … I don’t know that she necessarily represents today’s conservatism as well as she represented the conservatism of the 80s.

Which is to say — It wouldn’t surprise me a bit if she takes a look at the trending topics here or there and puts some of them in her pieces to get hits. In fact, it would surprise me if she didn’t.

They love to pick on New York’“that’s where all the gays and weirdos are after all.

Hey, who are calling a weirdo?
I am a New Yorker and proud of it! But seriously, what a stupid article, 8 and 11 year olds watching a show at 10-11 pm that don’t even have Jonas, Myley or that Biebler kid? A whole bunch of bullcrap in MHO. That show was not appropriate for kids from the start, PG14 anybody? I am not making excuses for Adam, I do think he went a little too far, but to blame the moral demise of the entire country on Adam is just rediculous.

“Adam is responsible for the moral fiber of our country?!!”

Well, on the upside if he really *was* responsible for it, it would be better dressed And a lot more fun at parties.

how about Cook doing the NA for the Chiefs? That’s cool! He must be so stoked, considering what a sports nut he is.

You can almost see the excitement in his tweet about it and especially when you consider Sunday is his birthday, that will make it extra special for him.

‘Adam is responsible for the moral fiber of our country?!!’ 

Well, on the upside if he really *was* responsible for it, it would be better dressed And a lot more fun at parties.

LMAO!!

Jay Leno’s Christmas Present for Adam Lambert.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WjpyyD8sMu8

Adam’s WWFM is number 2 most requested song on Z-100 at high noon countdown! thats the entire week in top 5, was number 1 yst. You go baby!

SNL made Adam Lambert into a Christmas ornament along with Robert Pattinson and Taylor Lautner. One of them is Joseph, another is baby Jesus, and the third is Mary. Guess who Mary is? lol

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c_p3uJvMwnU

Peggy Noonan does not need anyone’s name to get hits. She’s huge and very, very widely respected and beloved in the conservative world.

Noonan is also respected in the broader sense — not just by conservatives. She is a frequent guest/pundit on MSNBC shows like “The Morning Joe” and “Chris Matthews” etc. She also appears on panels on the Sunday Morning shows as well like This Week and Meet The Perss.

Who was it who said “New York is an island off the coast of America” Spaulding Gray?

Again, ‘we don’t care what you do in New York,’  but don’t include us in it, don’t bring it into our homes. Our children are here.

Well this New Yorkers says to hell with you and your antiquated pontificating. My children are here and are ‘normal’ American kids. They neither breathe fire or are cloven footed. The youngest of whom was in bed like her 12 year old booty should have been when Mr. Lambert was doing his thing. Get off your high horse and lets talk about violence against women around the world and here at home. Let’s talk about getting the two wars we are fighting to cease. Let’s talk about important stuff, not start yet another morality war.

In a way Noonan is very fair! She simply wants both torture by our government AND crotch-nuzzling kept in the closet.

I wonder if Adam knows who Peggy Noonan is . . . I would guess not, but if he’s made aware of the article I’m sure he’ll be like WTF?

Unless she’s moved recently, Peggy Noonan also is a New Yorker – by choice.

ETA: Born New Yorker, actually. She was born in Brooklyn and grew up in Jersey!

What? There is a comments section for the Peggy Noonan article, and I totally missed them. How could this happen? And, some of the comments are thoughtful? Thank goodness!!

Kate8
I totally agree with you, it’s the parents who should be responsible for their kids – instead of letting them watch TV all the time, spend more time with them, talk, explain, bond with them – they will come out OK – look at Adam

This could be that laready established fans of Adam tuned into Chelsea Lately to see him ‘“ I have a feeling this is what caused such an audience increase for her ‘“ so these extra viewers likely already have the album.

I was one of those “extra” people who watched merely because of Adam, first and last time I’ll ever watch the show. I don’t know what her regular audience numbers are, but maybe some of them will be enticed to check Adam out, but it’s really too bad they didn’t get to hear him sing.

I find it funny that people argue that he is a flop in the music world and not selling good enough and his label is going to drop and in their next breath say he is Powerful enough to be the single cause of the moral destruction of our children and society. It’s hysterical.

Who are these “people” you’re describing? I don’t think the people talking about Adam w.r.t. the culture war or whatever you want to call it are the same people who are talking about his musical future/prospects. Seems like two separate groups to me, so not necessarily a “next breath”/”hysterical” situation. Just sayin.

In any case, I stand by my opinion that the article is good publicity for Adam. He really is everywhere now. Not that it matters to make my point, but no, I don’t agree with the article.

I think worth reading:

“Peggy, You struck a nerve with me because you ridiculously chose to tie an inspirational, articulate and grounded advocate of love and understanding to the decline of American culture. In his own words, “Love overcomes hate, Love has no color, Love has no orientation, All is love.” Adam Lambert attracts interest with his incredible talent and charisma; and at least so far in his career, he’s used his attraction in positive ways.

He’s raised more than $260,000 to promote arts programs in public schools via Donor’s Choose. He’s encouraged creative kids who feel out of the mainstream and unaccepted. His message to ALL children, expressed in multiple interviews, has inspired many people worldwide of all ages.

Although the performance in question wasn’t his best, Adam Lambert’s artistic interpretation of his music on the AMA’s was neither emblematic of nor a contributor to the decline of American culture. In forwarding that argument you made it nearly impossible for me to digest the larger message of your column.

If this country is headed in the wrong direction, I’m certain that Adam Lambert is not part of the problem, and that he’s more likely to be part of the solution.” (Alan Pace..NYT comment)

SashaB
12/18/2009 at 12:16 pm

Peggy Noonan does not need anyone’s name to get hits. She’s huge and very, very widely respected and beloved in the conservative world.

Noonan is also respected in the broader sense ‘” not just by conservatives. She is a frequent guest/pundit on MSNBC shows like ‘The Morning Joe’  and ‘Chris Matthews’  etc. She also appears on panels on the Sunday Morning shows as well like This Week and Meet The Press.

I think you are confusing two separate points. Is Ms Noonan an accomplished writer and political pundit. YES. Is the article she wrote OTT hyperbole and mostly a sensationalized piece. YES. See both can be correct.

Who are these ‘people’  you’re describing? I don’t think the people talking about Adam w.r.t. the culture war or whatever you want to call it are the same people who are talking about his musical future/prospects. Seems like two separate groups to me, so not necessarily a ‘next breath’ /’ hysterical’  situation. Just sayin.

Well I was JUST Sayin too. You have your opinion I have mine. I have eyes and I read with them and I see that some are the same people. But thanks for your opinion and have a great holiday.

“They love to pick on New York’“that’s where all the gays and weirdos are after all”

KLI, I am sorry, but I will not let you make that claim San Francisco is No. 1 and my city, Toronto is No. 2 but I still loooooove NY (I used to live there for quite a while)

1. proving Adam’s point since she did not mention any problem w/ the performances leading up to Adam’s and leaves the impresion that the rest of the show was a Sesame Street production. (Peggy, no probs w/ JJ’s crotch grab? no probs w/ Riannas bondage gear? liked Gaga? )

Well, in Peggy’s defense, she only has so many column inches. If she were to catalog everything that offended her about the AMAs, it may be that she wouldn’t have room to get to her point (and most of the readers would have nodded off). It’s a common OpEd/reporting technique to select one example with which to frame your piece around.

Why choose Adam? Only Peggy can say. It may be that Adam was the one that offended her the most, It may be that’s she’s never heard of him before so her only reference is that he’s an off-key singer who stumbles when he dances and compensates for lack of talent by having risque moves (if that was the only performance she had to go by. I’m not saying he has not talent. He does have a lot of talent). It may be because he was the only one to cause a massive controversy in the press so there are sound-bytes of him responding which helps to further illustrates her point. Plus, the widely discussed issue gives her readers a likely common reference point that they’ve heard about. If she built her case around Lady Gaga lighting her piano on fire, most people wouldn’t know what she was talking about. Plus, I don’t know if anybody was offended by that (maybe some firemen who think fire should be treated more seriously?)

I’m not saying what she says in her column is correct. Just like reviews, OpEd pieces are opinions and she has a right to express hers. OpEd pieces are designed to encourage discussion. Although we’ve had this discussion a zillion times already, it may be new to some of her usual audience.

I had to laugh at this because we all know that these reprehensible things are ONLY done in New York’“the center of all that is evil in this world!! LOL.

They love to pick on New York’“that’s where all the gays and weirdos are after all.

ETA: In case it’s not clear, I am joking here!!

And New York just voted against gay marriage. We’re just so ahead of the times here – NOT.

soverymel “That’s a pretty powerful crotch”
you owe me a new keyboard rofl

Mainegal and Dhunken, well said. Peggy is writing about someone (Adam) that she knows nothing about. Yes, I wish he had chosen not to include a couple “moves” in his performance, but I am not in the least upset about it. I am upset that it wasn’t his best vocal performance and the adults watching at that hour, who had not previously heard him sing, would not be getting exposed properly to his amazing vocal ability. That to me is the what I would say was the “wrong second/first impression” that he gave. Who cares about the rest. I say, it was lazy of her to jump on this to try to drum up a news story that is already passed it’s time. We’ve all moved on, she should too!

Here is a link to z100 Jingle ball backstage interview. I don’t know how to seperate each video but there is videos of Adam, Kris and Allison.

http://www.msg.com/jingleball/

Mr. Lambert’s act left viewers feeling not just offended but assaulted. Again, ‘we don’t care what you do in New York,’  but don’t include us in it, don’t bring it into our homes. Our children are here.

What cracked me up when I read this last night was this article was in the WSJ. And where is Wall St? Not NY by any chance?

OpEd pieces are designed to encourage discussion. Although we’ve had this discussion a zillion times already, it may be new to some of her usual audience.

True. And being included in a piece meant to encourage discussion can be a very good thing. But, I do feel that using pop culture figures as scapegoats for the decline of western civilization is a bit dated. Come on, Peggy. The 80′s are over.

1. proving Adam’s point since she did not mention any problem w/ the performances leading up to Adam’s and leaves the impresion that the rest of the show was a Sesame Street production. (Peggy, no probs w/ JJ’s crotch grab? no probs w/ Riannas bondage gear? liked Gaga? )

That’s because Adam got competitive and decided to “one up” all his heroes. He wanted attention and he got it, in spades. That kind of thing comes with criticism by the Peggy Noonan’s of the world, who otherwise wouldn’t have noticed him.

I have eyes and I read with them and I see that some are the same people.

No worries. I’m sure my reading eyes do not cover as broad an area as yours w.r.t. Adam, so I must’vemissed these such articles where they are the same people. But since your original point was in response to the Peggy Noonan article, I just had to express my observation that she didn’t mention anything about Adam being a flop in music. So in her case at least, it wasn’t a “next breath”/”hysterical” situation. That’s all I was pointing out. Again, I don’t have to agree with her to realize that she didn’t mention anything about Adam being a flop in the music industry.

EW’s right, that was a great performance of FIBOU go Allison Iraheta!

You can almost see the excitement in his tweet about it and especially when you consider Sunday is his birthday, that will make it extra special for him

That’s a nice bday present for him, then. Wicked cool for him.

And going a bit back, see I’m rooting for SuBo and her cats to beat Taylor Swift for best selling artist of the year. Guess I hate Taylor Swift, and her bleachers and her non-ability to sing well live and getting Country female vocalist of the year self, more than I thought. Oh wait no, I already knew how much I didn’t like Taylor Swift before, I didn’t need SuBo to find out how much.

But I do want Alicia to Beat Boccelli in terms of sales.

sma11ie
12/18/2009 at 12:51 pm

I have eyes and I read with them and I see that some are the same people.

No worries. I’m sure my reading eyes do not cover as broad an area as yours w.r.t. Adam, so I must’vemissed these such articles where they are the same people. But since your original point was in response to the Peggy Noonan article, I just had to express my observation that she didn’t mention anything about Adam being a flop in music. So in her case at least, it wasn’t a ‘next breath’ /’ hysterical’  situation. That’s all I was pointing out. Again, I don’t have to agree with her to realize that she didn’t mention anything about Adam being a flop in the music industry.

Oh then I apologize if I was not clear my comment was not towards Ms Noonan but more to the fact of some of the people supporting her comment. I agree Ms Noonan never made any such remark about Adam and his stand in the music industry. On that we do agree!

You can almost see the excitement in his tweet about it and especially when you consider Sunday is his birthday, that will make it extra special for him

That’s a nice bday present for him, then. Wicked cool for him.

I agree that is great present for him and I am happy that he is really excited about it. I am sure he will do an amazing job too.

“That kind of thing [Adam's AMA performance] comes with criticism by the Peggy Noonan’s of the world.”

Truer words never spoken and exactly what’s wrong with the Peggy Noonans of the world, IMHO. But, it’s all “part of the life,” part of our crazy, culturally divided, “complicated nation.”

Mr. Lambert’s act left viewers feeling not just offended but assaulted. Again, ‘we don’t care what you do in New York,’  but don’t include us in it, don’t bring it into our homes. Our children are here.

Huh? This crazy conservative does not speak for all New Yorkers. I care what “Mr. Lambert” does and he can come into my home anytime. I hate when someone tries to speak for a city that is as diverse as New York.

I know puh-lenty of people in New York who didn’t like Adam’s AMA act,

I know puh-lenty of people in New York who loved it or who shrugged their shoulders at it. New Yorkers do not think together as one mind.

I am a New Yorker and proud of it! But seriously, what a stupid article, 8 and 11 year olds watching a show at 10-11 pm that don’t even have Jonas, Myley or that Biebler kid? A whole bunch of bullcrap in MHO. That show was not appropriate for kids from the start, PG14 anybody?

Amen to every word of this! I still don’t understand why 8 to 11 year olds keep getting brought into the discussion.
It was late on a school night and it was rated TV 14. It would be like letting your 8 year old watch Grey’s Anatomy and then complaining about the sexual themes and content of the show. GA was never meant for an 8 year old in the first place!
Can you imagine if everything on network TV that was shown before 10:00 had to be designed for 8 year olds to view it? What shows would we have to get rid of?

Yeah – I’m happy David Cook gets to do a cool sports-related thing (singing the Anthem at the Chiefs game) on his birthday. I think this will only be the third time he’s done the anthem, and once was with Andrew.

tweet from ElPaso411…

1,876 Tickets remain for the 76 annual Brut Sunbowl feat. David Archuleta at halftime! Hurry! 14 minutes ago from web

http://twitter.com/ElPaso411

And going a bit back, see I’m rooting for SuBo and her cats to beat Taylor Swift for best selling artist of the year. Guess I hate Taylor Swift, and her bleachers and her non-ability to sing well live and getting Country female vocalist of the year self, more than I thought. Oh wait no, I already knew how much I didn’t like Taylor Swift before, I didn’t need SuBo to find out how much.

No, I don’t enjoy that Taylor can’t sing for her life, and I don’t even like her songs, BUT at least she writes her own music, develops her own concepts for her music videos, and is a “real” artist who’s responsible for her success. And she was funny on SNL. SuBo, how has she proven herself musically/artistically? She put out an album of covers, and as others have pointed out in the past, there are only like 3 competition rounds in an entire season of BGT, so she rode all the way to the end on the strength of singing ONE SONG very well, and well, looking like a cat lady. As much as I find the popularity of Taylor’s music (among all my friends, no less) inexplicable, she’s at least a musician out there who’s carving her own way, and doing something new and unique. That a modern, young artist can get people to buy her album, open up new listeners to “country” (albeit pop country)– that’s accomplishing something. I’d rather the future of the music industry depend more on Taylor Swift-like success stories than SuBo-like ones. So no, no way I’m rooting for SuBo ove Taylor.

HDD Predictions indicate a very strong week for album sales. The entire projected top 10 is over 100K.
Taylor already has the Billboard album of the year. SuBo can take the honors for calendar year 2009.

I like Taylor Swift. She’s a terrific songwriter who really nails teen girl angst without exploiting it. Fifteen is a great song for example.

It was a broadcast network, it was prime time, it was the American Music Awards featuring singers your 11-year-old wants to see, and your 8-year-old (from Noonan’s article).

A hypothetical conservative family sat down to watch the AMAs which was rated PG 14 so their 11 and 8 year old could watch the likes of Eminem, Shakira and 50 Cent? Oh you didn’t know their acts were not suitable for young children? You didn’t know the show was rated PG 14? Aren’t the conservatives the ones who say you need to be in charge of your life, not the government or anyone else? You didn’t bother to do your homework? Okay, I’ll buy that, nobody is perfect, not even conservatives.

But then you procede to watch the show and don’t turn it off when you realize it’s not appropriate for your children. Instead you stay up till the very end letting your children watch with you. And now you are self righteously complaining about Adam’s shocking performance? Who was at fault, you or Adam? I say you because last I heard every remote control has an off button.

But, no, it’s much easier to point the finger elsewhere. Blame Adam. Blame New York (cultural warriors love to demonize entire cities), blame the liberals. And take it a step further, try to inflame people against a young entertainer by laying your guilt on his shoulders.

Wasn’t Elvis also accused of contributing to the decline of moral purity in America? Adam is in great company, and I think that if this lady is as well respected in the conservative realm as people are saying, then this has just catapulted him to “pop icon” status. Thanks Peggy.

And, I am always amazed that people quote that 1,500 number as if it were a huge figure. That is only .01% of those that watched the AMAs.

HDD Predictions indicate a very strong week for album sales. The entire projected top 10 is over 100K.

Oh good. We should see some nice boosts next week.

I like Taylor Swift. She’s a terrific songwriter who really nails the teen girl angst thing without exploiting it in any way.

Yeah, I like her too. She’s not the best singer but singer/songwriters are rarely great both. Her songs are well crafted and age appropriate. I can’t wait to see her evolve as an artist as she matures.

I don’t get the whole “**** YOU I WON’T DO WHAT YOU TELL ME!” crap in music. I’m all for controversy and “standing up to the man” (as a hippie(?) might put it) and all that jazz but overly angry music is stupid. Ugh.

And people are still offended by what Adam did a whole month ago? Ugh.

People who talk in the media confuse me.

On the other hand, tomorrow is my 20th birthday and I told my friend “I’d die if I get a shout out from Kris Allen, David Archuleta, or Joe McElderry”, and she said “Okay, you might die then” and that I have an “epic present” coming in the mail. I talk to my friend about how I like al three three of those guys a lot (I’m surprised she hasn’t called me gay yet, but that’s good because I’m not I just have girly obsessions >_>). Is it wrong for a guy to be excited about that? I’m seriously looking forward to seeing what she got me. *squeals like a teenage girl*

I don’t really like Taylor Swift’s music but I like that she keeps control of her artistry herself through making her own music and music videos, I respect that. You Belong With Me is also a guilty pleasure song.

Isn’t Peggy Noonan a little late to the game. Just turn off the TV. The AMAs were filled with adult content. My kids were in bed. If an 11 yr. old stayed up to see Adam, this child would have already been subjected to suggestive, raunchy dancing, crotch grabbing, dancers with rifles, breaking whiskey bottles, and a song with so many obscenities bleeped out that there wasn’t much left to hear. Real family entertainment.

I’m rooting for SuBo over Taylor.

I’m on Team Swift too. Taylor can’t sing live, but at least there is some creativity going on with her album.

Actually, I still kind of think that Taylor has this one in the bag. I have visions of SuBo being the first artist to go negative in sales as 1.2M return the album the day after Christmas. Surely, Grandma doesn’t need 4 copies of that CD.

SuBo sales have become the Pet Rock/Tickle-Me-Elmo of the season. People must now be buying it to see what all the fuss is about. The only difference is that there is an endless supply of SuBo albums since they are easy to produce in mass quantities in a week (unlike robotic dolls). The Pet Rock craze died. Surely, this one must too? Or will SuBo keep selling 600K a week until every man, woman, child and dog has 43 copies?

No, I don’t enjoy that Taylor can’t sing for her life, and I don’t even like her songs, BUT at least she writes her own music, develops her own concepts for her music videos, and is a ‘real’  artist who’s responsible for her success. And she was funny on SNL. SuBo, how has she proven herself musically/artistically? She put out an album of covers, and as others have pointed out in the past, there are only like 3 competition rounds in an entire season of BGT, so she rode all the way to the end on the strength of singing ONE SONG very well, and well, looking like a cat lady. As much as I find the popularity of Taylor’s music (among all my friends, no less) inexplicable, she’s at least a musician out there who’s carving her own way, and doing something new and unique. That a modern, young artist can get people to buy her album, open up new listeners to ‘country’  (albeit pop country)’“ that’s accomplishing something. I’d rather the future of the music industry depend more on Taylor Swift-like success stories than SuBo-like ones. So no, no way I’m rooting for SuBo ove Taylor.

We agree again!

Because Xmas is on a Friday there is still a good chance that Carrie will have a platinum album by them. Since certification is based on shipment, I think she already has one. So congrats Carrie. She’s really the only artist Idol has produced that can still knock out a guaranteed platinum plus seller.

And I guess by next week SuBo will officially be 2xplatinum plus. Or as some would put it – halfway to 5x plat.

‘They love to pick on New York’“that’s where all the gays and weirdos are after all’ 

KLI, I am sorry, but I will not let you make that claim San Francisco is No. 1 and my city, Toronto is No. 2 but I still loooooove NY (I used to live there for quite a while)

Ooops, I forgot San Francisco, which is perfectly interchangeable with New York for purposes of cultural bashing. (I love both places!!)

Ann Coulter does this type of city bashing too, but where does she reside? Smack dab in the middle of New York City of course!! Sigh . . .

sma11ie, I agree with you about SuBo and Taylor Swift – I don’t like either of them, but Taylor IS a musician, a nice girl to boot, while SuBo is a “freak of nature” and I know I am going to be hated, but had she not been so plain, she would have never be so popular

Amen to every word of this! I still don’t understand why 8 to 11 year olds keep getting brought into the discussion.

Exactly! Sheeh, my 9 year old (who lives in the sodom and gomorrah that is NYC!) loves adam, but it was a sunday night and he was in bed at 8pm like he always is on a school night. Who are these 8 -11 year olds who are allowed to stay up until 10 or 11 on a school night watching a raunchy awards show?

The WSJ article isn’t exactly covering any new ground. Conservatives have been blaming rock and roll for the downfall of American society since it started. It was a stupid to blame Jerry Lee Lewis, Elvis, the Beatles, Ozzy Osborne, etc. etc. And it’s stupid to blame Adam.

And I must be an amoral heathen since I watched the AMAs with my 13 year old and STILL do not understand the moral outrage.

what happened to the edit button? I meant sheesh….

I don’t read every thread here, so this may have already been posted elsewhere, if so I apologize. This seems like a good place to put it since one of the headlines is about David Cook singing the NA on his birthday.

One of the ladies that is heading up the charge for David’s Race for Hope/Brain Cancer Cure team at DCO, had the brilliant idea that if every one of his 80,000 followers on Twitter donated $27.00 on his 27th birthday, we could raise 2 million dollars! Wouldn’t that be stellar! I think we’d have soggy Cookie again for that, don’t you? *smile* I think I’ve seen links to fundraising initiatives here, so I hope it’s okay if I link David’s team here. David’s Race For Hope page

Once again, I am one of Adam’s biggest fans. However, after the AMA performance, I was totally turned off by him. It wasn’t until after watching him perform on the Early Show, Letterman, etc., that I came on board again and bought his album.

The way I see it…Adam’s performance on the AMA was immature and selfish. Selfish in that he said he got caught up in the moment…the hell with other peoples’ sensibilities. It’s precisely this “look at me”…”it’s all about me” attitude that offended me and put me, as well as many others, on edge.

Adam has to bear in mind that his AMA behavior will only appeal to a small segment of the population. If he doesn’t start appealing to the majority, I’m afraid his musical career will be short-lived.

Actually, I still kind of think that Taylor has this one in the bag. I have visions of SuBo being the first artist to go negative in sales as 1.2M return the album the day after Christmas. Surely, Grandma doesn’t need 4 copies of that CD.

I don’t know if this will happen but I will be one of those in line returning it if I get one. Not because I wish her ill will I just don’t like her style. I have heard some of the tracks and I find them boring and basically all the same. (only exception is Up to the Mountain)

I don’t get the whole ‘**** YOU I WON’T DO WHAT YOU TELL ME!’  crap in music. I’m all for controversy and ‘standing up to the man’  (as a hippie(?) might put it) and all that jazz but overly angry music is stupid.

I used to be into the angry music, and I liked Rage Against The Machine. Not all the time, or too much, because musically, they can be a bit repetitive, but yeah once and a while I still like a song with a good ‘feck you,’ attitude.

Actually, I still kind of think that Taylor has this one in the bag. I have visions of SuBo being the first artist to go negative in sales as 1.2M return the album the day after Christmas. Surely, Grandma doesn’t need 4 copies of that CD.

Kirsten…thank you for saying exactly my thoughts. I really think that Christmas will be the end of Susan Boyle and that her sales will dwindle to nothing (but I have been wrong before…she may sell forever and ever as ludicrous birthday, anniversary, and valentine gifts.

I just have this vision of her album being the corporate gift for unsuspecting spouses at the anual Christmas party, and that every woman over the age of 40 will receive one in her stocking, and every Grandma will get one from every Grandchild.

And the sad thing is that most of these won’t find there way back to the stores. They will just end up being thrown out with the festive wrapping paper. Besides, with all these sales I am surprised that I have yet to hear a single song of hers anywhere…and I don’t know a single person who “admits” to buying this for themselves (but then I have strange friends).

Wasn’t Elvis also accused of contributing to the decline of moral purity in America?

La Traviata was banned throughout Europe for racy lyrics- censorship and feeling all superior is as old as humanity. Adventurous young ‘uns push the limits and cranky old ones complain.

We agree again!

Haha, tis the season, right?

Actually, I still kind of think that Taylor has this one in the bag. I have visions of SuBo being the first artist to go negative in sales as 1.2M return the album the day after Christmas. Surely, Grandma doesn’t need 4 copies of that CD.

Baahaha. I hope you’re right!

SuBo sales have become the Pet Rock/Tickle-Me-Elmo of the season.

Bahaahaa again!

Is it wrong for a guy to be excited about that? I’m seriously looking forward to seeing what she got me. *squeals like a teenage girl*

Haha, not wrong at all. I have a 25-year old straight guy friend (no question, I know he’s definitely straight) who LOVES “teenage-girl music”– Kelly Clarkson, Taylor Swift, etc. He always sticks out when we go to concerts. We make fun of him, but it’s also refreshing to see a guy who’s not afraid to admit to such guilty pleasures. Happy Birthday!

I actually don’t think Xmas will be the end of SuBo. She has a pretty nice voice and I could see her continuing to sell more cover albums. I don’t think she’ll sell millions but I don’t think she’s going anywhere that quickly either.

For example, I bet next Xmas we get SuBo’s Xmas album. Simon is too smart to let his cash cow fade away that quickly. Bet you anything we see her on S9 on Idol for example.

Peggy seems to be getting lazy. I know that columnists are supposed to hit the target audience “hot buttons” but please, let’s have a little elegance to it and not so superficial and manipulative. Yuck. Maybe she is still trying to get back into the good graces of her core…the last time I paid much attention to her was when she delivered a well executed smackdown of Sarah Palin during the election campaign (link below). Now that was a good one.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122419210832542317.html

I kind of wonder if her boss at the paper (if she has one) said “hey, this Adam Lambert is the big thing going now, you should write about him”, and so she yawned and tossed this off so that she could get to her Christmas shopping. I would hope that she would have more integrity than that, but this is just not a very well written article. As I said earlier, superficial and transparently hitting the conservative base hot buttons. Not worthy of a writer of her stature.

One of the ladies that is heading up the charge for David’s Race for Hope/Brain Cancer Cure team at DCO, had the brilliant idea that if every one of his 80,000 followers on Twitter donated $27.00 on his 27th birthday, we could raise 2 million dollars! Wouldn’t that be stellar! I think we’d have soggy Cookie again for that, don’t you? *smile* I think I’ve seen links to fundraiser initiatives here, so I hope it’s okay if I link David’s team here. David’s Race For Hope page

Great Idea and great way to support David Cook and his passion for this Charity. I just donated. Thanks!

going back to SuBo phenomenon, I was one of those people, who saw the viral youtube vid and fell in love with her. Then it was, of course, oversaturation thingy with her; then I felt sorry for her for all this media frenzy and craziness; but then, when she started outselling all my favorite bands and musicians, I SAID ENOUGH. Simon, you evil you

For example, I bet next Xmas we get SuBo’s Xmas album. Simon is too smart to let his cash cow fade away that quickly. Bet you anything we see her on S9 on Idol for example.

Oh no….

Although we’ve had this discussion a zillion times already, it may be new to some of her usual audience.

I suspect she and Bill O’Reilly share the same audience.

I have visions of SuBo being the first artist to go negative in sales as 1.2M return the album the day after Christmas. Surely, Grandma doesn’t need 4 copies of that CD.

I don’t know if this will happen but I will be one of those in line returning it if I get one

This is funny, I just had a conversation with my daugter the other day, speculating on how many SuBo’s cd are bought as christmas/holiday presents and will be returned/exchanged. Hey, if I were to get one, I would exchange it in a second. So it will be interesting to see the numbers after the holidays, thanks MJ and Kristen!

Well, on the happy news front, Z-100 loves Adam. They play him every 90 minutes or so, he is leading in the breakout new artist category (you can vote multiple times–just sayin’), and he continually is in the Top 9 at 9 (#2 last night). I now stream them every day. Most importantly, aside from being an influential NYC station, they are giving Adam lots of spins! (They give Kris a lot, too.) And yes on the backstage interviews for Adam, Kris, and Allison!

Just an FYI WWFM is now #47 on the Itune combined Charts. Maybe Radio play plus the SYTYCD performance is pushing it up the chart. I thought by now it would be descending back down. Happy I am wrong.

Sue, how is it going with the Boston radio?

La Traviata was banned throughout Europe for racy lyrics- censorship and feeling all superior is as old as humanity. Adventurous young ‘uns push the limits and cranky old ones complain.

The Marriage of Figaro was banned in places for being subversive.

I just have this vision of her album being the corporate gift for unsuspecting spouses at the anual Christmas party….

The musical equivalent of “Who Moved My Cheese?” ack.

I think SYTYCD gave WWFM a great boost but I also think the added radio play is kicking in. The song is already 38 on the Pop building chart with very good Audience Impressions.

A similiar thing happened to LLWD. It was in the 100s on iTunes while increasing radio spins. Folks were posting that only sales matter, radio play was unimportant etc. But I think around the time the video dropped, LLWD moved into the 40s on iTunes. It stayed there for awhile until it moved into the 20s with added radio play.

WWFM should follow a similiar trajectory.

Isn’t Peggy Noonan a little late to the game.

Yes, she’s way late. Which is why I’m completely sure that she looked up some trending topics of the past several weeks and decided to get herself some extra hits by slanting a column toward the Lambert Problem.

Really, there is no such thing as a safe columnist spot these days. And when your last really big gig was in the 80s and you’re still living off the fame of that, I’m sure you’re more than a little concerned to prove to your papers’ number crunchers that you are bringing in the eyeballs.

(which is not to say that she isn’t serious about what she’s saying — but it can easily mean that she decided that the time was ripe for another the-culture-is-decaying-because-of-media story, looked around for a good eyeball-bringing hook for it and landed on Adam …)

Wow, so happy WWFM is sticking around on iTunes. And is FYE still #1 for videos? I thought for sure Gaga would have moved back into the top spot by now.

Well, on the happy news front, Z-100 loves Adam. They play him every 90 minutes or so, he is leading in the breakout new artist category (you can vote multiple times’“just sayin’), and he continually is in the Top 9 at 9 (#2 last night). I now stream them every day. Most importantly, aside from being an influential NYC station, they are giving Adam lots of spins! (They give Kris a lot, too.) And yes on the backstage interviews for Adam, Kris, and Allison!

thanks suebrody and wellcome back, missed your positive energy. And yes, Z-100 does love both Kris and Adam, actually they play Idols a lot in general, all the past contestants had their singles played a lot when they came out. And they always say something nice about Adam, today Ryan was talking to Jeff Probst from survivor and Jeff said that he loves Adam, to which Ryan joked that Jeff is coming out as well.

Although we’ve had this discussion a zillion times already, it may be new to some of her usual audience.

I suspect she and Bill O’Reilly share the same audience.

I would say they were sharing a brain, but that assumes there is one to share.

Sue, how is it going with the Boston radio?

Yeah, I read here that KIIS(?) or some Boston station added Kris and Adam both, yay!

I was really expecting WWFM to drop like a dead stone.

“Actually, I still kind of think that Taylor has this one in the bag. I have visions of SuBo being the first artist to go negative in sales as 1.2M return the album the day after Christmas. Surely, Grandma doesn’t need 4 copies of that CD.”

LOL! I am definitely returning it if I receive it as a gift! I do not know of 1 person who bought this CD either, so the sales numbers to me are very curious. Maybe I’ll go into FYE and ask the sales people behind the counter who is buying them.

Really, there is no such thing as a safe columnist spot these days. And when your last really big gig was in the 80s and you’re still living off the fame of that, I’m sure you’re more than a little concerned to prove to your papers’ number crunchers that you are bringing in the eyeballs.

Yeah, but Peggy is a name in the poltical pundit world, a go to person. So she’s part of ABC’s round table, and other shows like Morning Joe, all the time. Peggy is more than fine without her column. And I would be fine without Peggy having a new column as well.

I was really expecting WWFM to drop like a dead stone.

As opposed to a live stone? Sorry. But yeah, I agree, I expected it to drop as well. I’m pleasantly surprised.

Danny said on Twitter this morning that his song will now be available on Itunes Monday December 21 for purchase. That is the same day his song goes for sale on Amazon.

From Danny’s Twitter:

Rain + cold + shooting music video = frozen Danny. I have good news My single is available for purchase on iTunes this Monday-December 21st

Truthiness, I just now see your little picture. Is that Step-hen Colbert?

Actually, truthiness does give it away…

Christmas from the Heart’ is sincere for David Archuleta

Originally published December 18, 2009 at 10:30 a.m.,
updated December 18, 2009 at 10:32 a.m.

By Glenn Gamboa
Newsday

For David Archuleta, the holidays have always been happy ones. The ‘American Idol’  runner-up says that’s what makes his current tour, which combines the pop songs from his debut with the holiday songs from his ‘Christmas from the Heart’  album, so much fun.

‘I don’t think there’s ever a time in the year that I sing more than during the holidays,’  says Archuleta, calling from a tour stop in Waukegan, Ill. ‘And I’ve sung more during the holidays this year than ever before.’ 

http://www.victoriaadvocate.com/news/2009/dec/18/bc-mus-archuletand-_-entertainment/?entertainment&national-entertainment

I don’t know what you guys are looking at but the I-tunes (through Apple) slots LLWD at 21 and WWFM at 36.

I was really expecting WWFM to drop like a dead stone.

why?

And albums Adam is 52 and 93 and Kris isn’t in the top 100.

Here is the link:

http://www.apple.com/itunes/charts/albums/

Truthiness, I just now see your little picture. Is that Step-hen Colbert?

Indeed it is Mr. Colbert (it’s French).

Danny said on Twitter this morning that his song will now be available on Itunes Monday December 21 for purchase. That is the same day his song goes for sale on Amazon.

Having a song available to buy on iTunes and Amazon on the same day? Craziness I tell you! That’ll never catch on.

I was really expecting WWFM to drop like a dead stone.

It’s showing at #36 overall on this iTunes chart. It was #98 just two days ago.

http://www.apple.com/itunes/charts/songs/

Happy to see the FYE music video is still #1!

I was really expecting WWFM to drop like a dead stone.

why?

Because that’s what we have seen up till now right? The singles move up a bit, to then drop quickly. Wasn’t expecting it to rise this much, and stay this long.

If you delete explicit songs on iTunes, you get different results. But with them included my feed (2P.M) shows
http://itunes.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wpa/MRSS/topsongs/sf=9903441/limit=150/rss.xml

LLWD #28
WWFM #48.

or example, I bet next Xmas we get SuBo’s Xmas album. Simon is too smart to let his cash cow fade away that quickly. Bet you anything we see her on S9 on Idol for example.

Please, no. If that happens, the TV is getting turned off right quick. It’s bad enough we’ll have to watch the atrocious auditions at the beginning of the season. If they subject me to SuBo, I will consider AI officially dead.

One of the ladies that is heading up the charge for David’s Race for Hope/Brain Cancer Cure team at DCO, had the brilliant idea that if every one of his 80,000 followers on Twitter donated $27.00 on his 27th birthday, we could raise 2 million dollars!

That is a cool idea. I dig it!

In other DC news, anyone see that youtube he retweeted where this male bodybuilder used Light On? Gross! Haha, that guy is amused by the oddest things. I find it interesting that he chose to RT that odd video, but not, say that super-cute Italian dance video set to A Daily Anthem (it’s sooo cute! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ca59j9UCu4). I think he likes to go for the S’s and G’s…

Noonan Shmoonan!!
For Ms. Moonan’s piece to have one ounce of credibility, she would have needed to talk about more than just Adam Lambert’s performance at the AMAs. She chose to single him out…. the performer who was on at 10:00 or 11:00 p.m. as opposed to the other 99 “suggestive” acts who preceeded him.

Hiding behind the “save he children” mentality is what people who are uncomfortable with male on male action do. Call it what you want.

Others have said it before me… if you were outraged, while watching the AMAs with your 10 year old, at the 11:00 p.m. performance, and not the 8:00 p.m., 8:30 p.m., 9:00 p.m., 9:30 p.m., 10:00 p.m., and 10:30 p.m. act, you need to go to parenting school.

The most offensive thing about this whole situation to me is that people are so over the top fucking outraged by the 11:00 p.m. act, and NOT ONE has the guts to say they were fine with crotch grabbing, gyrating, riffles, whiskey bottles, etc.” If you’re going to single someone out, at least have the balls to admit you’re a homophobic putz! Yea, I said it!!!

I don’t like it…. but I would at least have a little more respect for people if they would say. “I’m not used to male on male action. It threw me. I don’t know how I feel about it. I’m trying to understand. I’m open to change, but it doesn’t happen overnight. I never thought of myself as homophobic, but it made me uncomfortable”… whatever…. JUST SOME FUCKING HONESTY… instead of the weak, stupid, “save the children” mentality. Honestly the children are the least of our worries… it’s us adults who are so quick to judge and hate.

One of the ladies that is heading up the charge for David’s Race for Hope/Brain Cancer Cure team at DCO, had the brilliant idea that if every one of his 80,000 followers on Twitter donated $27.00 on his 27th birthday, we could raise 2 million dollars! Wouldn’t that be stellar! I think we’d have soggy Cookie again for that, don’t you? *smile* I think

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Wonderful idea I have joined as a virtual race member also.

jpfan
12/18/2009 at 2:11 pm

If you delete explicit songs on iTunes, you get different results. But with them included my feed (2P.M) shows

LLWD #28
WWFM #48.

Huh? Why would you delete explicit songs?

Well, that’s not my world. I don’t find the conservative penchant for demonizing people who aren’t conservative very attractive.

I don’t believe that conservatives are the only ones who do this. There are plenty of liberals who view anyone remotely conservative as being “backwards” or “not with the times”. I guess it really goes both ways, but today’s headlines just showed a prime conservative example (and since most entertainment media leans liberal, you don’t often see it).

Some feeds of iTunes don’t show explicit songs. I have no idea why.
But my iTunes shows 7 explicit songs ahead of LLWD so that’s why it’s showing at 21 instead of 28 on the link posted.

Nevermind. Jpfan has the confusion about the feeds covered.

The current livefeed showing iTunes overall Top Songs (including explicit versions) has WWFM at #48. A very nice sustained bump from its pre-SYTYCD position.

How the hell is FYE still #1 on the mv chart? Don’t get me wrong, I love the video, but wow, was NOT expecting it to stay on top for this long.

I wonder how WWFM is doing in terms of radio spins, where’s girlygirl?

Adam finished #4 in Billboards readers poll of top albums of 2009 with Lady Gaga coming in First.

http://www.billboard.com/slideshow/196941?decorator=slideshow&confirm=true#/slideshow/196941?decorator=slideshow&confirm=true

came in #6 as albums of the decade Michael #1

http://www.billboard.com/slideshow/196807?decorator=slideshow&confirm=true#/slideshow/196807?decorator=slideshow&confirm=true

saga, WWFM is being played on KISS 108FM, but not on Mix 104.1 (surprising b/c it’s a Pink-written song, and Mix loves Pink). Mix plays Kris, Carrie, Kelly, Daughtry (every 10 minutes or so), and Cook, so I thought they might pick up Adam. I called a couple of times, and politely asked, and the djays knew who he was, but the station doesn’t play him, so whatever. It is also getting played by WPRO in Providence and WXLO in Worcester.

It’s nice to see it getting a bump from Adam’s appearances, and perhaps will a bit more after Adam’s homeboy, Jay Leno, has him on for a sit down (win!) and performance (j/k. but, ironically, Leno *is* from my hometown, Andover, MA, and lived a block away, but had moved away before I moved there, tho he bought the house for parents).

LOL looks like we jinxed it. Adam’s FYE music video was #1 when I checked it in the Apple iTunes Store about an hour ago. But I just went back, and he’s now #2.

I’m kind of amazed he managed to hang on all week. But I don’t mind Gaga topping him at all, that Bad Romance video is absolutely made of awesome.

ETA: I’m looking at the Apple iTunes Store itself for this, not sure what the web charts or the live feeds say, I know that sometimes they don’t match, which I find kinda irritating.

The way I see it’ ¦Adam’s performance on the AMA was immature and selfish. Selfish in that he said he got caught up in the moment’ ¦the hell with other peoples’ sensibilities. It’s precisely this ‘look at me’ ’ ¦’ it’s all about me’  attitude that offended me and put me, as well as many others, on edge.

Adam has to bear in mind that his AMA behavior will only appeal to a small segment of the population. If he doesn’t start appealing to the majority, I’m afraid his musical career will be short-lived.

Honestly, with only a very very few exceptions, I think that the most long-lived music careers belong to the people who do very very well with a substantial-sized niche group and keep pleasing that niche for decades.

It’s so hard in music to really please millions of people, and often when you do it’s just because you hit on a good fad at a certain time, seems to me. And a lot of those huge hits fade after a few years, I think. Meanwhile, people who were who they were and pleased a smaller group of fans and kept turning out music in their own vein, whether they achieved the most widespread mainstream popularity or not, often seem to be the ones that I see years later still making music and having people turn up for their concerts.

If I were looking for a long career, I think I’d go for the small segment instead of the broad swath!

I suspect she and Bill O’Reilly share the same audience.
I would say they were sharing a brain, but that assumes there is one to share.

LMFAO!

Happy to see the FYE music video is still #1!

WWFM is #48 and Adam’s albums are #52 and #93.

Great News! I guess this week Adam is both a singles and an album seller!

Peggy is more than fine without her column.

Are you sure Peggy feels this way? …. I think she might wonder whether she’d keep all her other gigs, if she lost her column! …

Plus, I’ll bet she enjoys writing her columns at least as much as and possibly more than she enjoys doing the tv-commentator gigs — She is a writer, after all!

I work in this industry and I don’t know anybody these days who isn’t angling for eyeballs!

Truthiness, I know (of) him, I was relating to a show last week where he discussed that his name was indeed Step-hen and not Steven.

In my Canadian iTunes FYE video is back to #2.
However, I’m pretty sure I often get old information. Like today there are no Glee albums in the top albums and Adam is 10 and 19 in albums. Nice, eh?

Does anyone have an idea what’s up with that? (This is information via my actual iTunes, not via the website.)

Honestly I wonder how much different his AMA rehearsal was from his live performance. I get a feeling it wasn’t quite as different as ABC would like the complainers to think.

Well, I’m not sure why different folks are seeing different rankings either.
I am looking at the chart and see LLWD at #21 and WWFM at #36.

I also see a song called Sexy Bitch, Robin Thicke’s Sex Therapy and Flo Rida’s Right Round listed just before FYE at #68 so I don’t think the explicit songs have been removed from the song list I am looking at.

jpfan
12/18/2009 at 2:11 pm

If you delete explicit songs on iTunes, you get different results. But with them included my feed (2P.M) shows

LLWD #28
WWFM #48.

Huh? Why would you delete explicit songs?

I know! why would you? Personally I like my songs like I like my life…explicit.

No, not really.

WWFM is being played on KISS 108FM, but not on Mix 104.1

Well hey, at least it’s being played at one local station for ya. Maybe some day it will get on Mix 104.1, maybe when you least expect it, they’ll play it.

I kind of wonder if her boss at the paper (if she has one) said ‘hey, this Adam Lambert is the big thing going now, you should write about him’ , and so she yawned and tossed this off so that she could get to her Christmas shopping. I would hope that she would have more integrity than that, but this is just not a very well written article. As I said earlier, superficial and transparently hitting the conservative base hot buttons. Not worthy of a writer of her stature.

It’s tough turning out a regular column. If you look at Noonan’s, or most anybody else’s regularly, seems to me you see that for every one that’s a knockout, there are several that are just boilerplate. It’s hard to be eloquent and witty and have hard-hitting analysis every day. Plus, a great subject that’s also timely doesn’t present itself every day either.

This one is a typical conservative subject, a type of column she’s probably written a ton of times over the years, and either she or the editors noticed that they could get eyeballs on it by writing it again and putting Adam in it. Simple as that, I expect.

jpfan
12/18/2009 at 2:11 pm
If you delete explicit songs on iTunes, you get different results. But with them included my feed (2P.M) shows
http://itunes.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wpa/MRSS/topsongs/sf=9903441/limit=150/rss.xml

LLWD #28
WWFM #48.

Thanks for that chart. In looking through it there is a definite disparity. For Kris it shows he only has one song available. Other artists show the total number of songs are on their albums. This could explain a lot why the album isn’t selling as much as it should be there. I know I would think that is the only song available from Kris.

I’ve seen similar problems at other sites. No picture of Kris at all which causes confusion, especially since there is another Kris Allen.

BTW, I finally found Kris’s CD at Target the other day. Some helpful person turned them backwards and stuck them behind the ‘All American Rejects’ tag. There were only 4 left, and I bought 1 … and fixed their placement.

I was really expecting WWFM to drop like a dead stone.

Well, it’s been a long time since I’ve seen a live stone!

But, seriously, what is it that made you expect that?

I’d be happy if one of the big 2 stations in Chicago was playing WWFM. The Mix ( which probably plays at least one Idol song every hour) was giving it a spin at night about every other day; however, I don’t they have played it all in the past few days.

Does your iTunes feed show Empire State of Mind (explicit) at #3 or Hell Breaks Loose (explicit) at #5? How about How Low by Ludacris? That’s in the top 10 on iTunes as well. How about Hard by Rihanna (explicit version) at #13.

Some songs have clean and explicit versions.

There are feeds which don’t include explicit songs.

Well, I’m not sure why different folks are seeing different rankings either. I am looking at the chart and see LLWD ay #21 and WWFM at #36. I also see a song called Sexy Bitch, Robin Thicke’s Sex Therapy and Flo Rida’s Right Round listed just before FYE at #68 so I don’t think the explicit songs have been removed from the song list I am looking at.

Are you sure you haven’t just got the pop chart? I frequently end up with that when I think I’m getting the overall chart, for some reason.

Truthiness
12/18/2009 at 2:32 pm

jpfan
12/18/2009 at 2:11 pm

If you delete explicit songs on iTunes, you get different results. But with them included my feed (2P.M) shows

LLWD #28
WWFM #48.

Huh? Why would you delete explicit songs?

I know! why would you? Personally I like my songs like I like my life’ ¦explicit.

I read your comment and thought: Exactly.

Then I saw you continued with this:

No, not really.

We’re so totally on different pages.

I’m done after this but the feed some people are viewing may have eliminated the explicit songs for you. But they still exist on iTunes. Trust me on this one.

Are you sure you haven’t just got the pop chart? I frequently end up with that when I think I’m getting the overall chart, for some reason.

No, I am looking at the overall chart, but must be getting a “clean chart” for some reason. I didn’t do anything to set the page to that setting and I cannot see anything that will allow me to chage settings.

I don’t have anything against viewing explicit material. Doesn’t mean I will or won’t buy it. It just doesn’t make any difference to me.

Good analysis by Linda Holmes of the flawed logic in Peggy Noonan’s WSJ op-ed: Let Them Watch Cake: The Class Problem With Kids-Only Broadcast TV.

I’m not suggesting a free-for-all on the broadcast networks; not at all. I don’t even necessarily disagree that the Lambert performance may have diverged from what parents with kids were expecting, in a way they may have some right to be unhappy about; if you’re going to ask parents to do their own screening, it makes some sense to give them an idea of what to expect. (This falls apart a bit if you know the risque history of the AMAs, but I’m giving this position the benefit of the doubt.)

I do think, though, that it’s valuable to have a place on free television for good shows, whether they are good shows that are made for kids, or good shows that are not made for kids. The democracy of broadcast television (and here I am using “democracy” very, very loosely) is lovely when it’s done well ‘” hook up your antenna and you can watch as much House and Parks & Recreation and Lost as you like. Free television is a lot smarter than it used to be if you look in the right places; it would be a shame to squelch it now.

There are more discrepencies than the explicit songs between the two charts…and pre-sales don’t show up.

So, just like in all things charts and the numbers game are not always accurate. But it is nice that we have something to play with!

The FYE video is still #1?? Woooohoooooo!!!
I knew he’d get to #1 quickly, but I honestly thought he would drop a few places after a few hours, or a day… Go Baby!!

And re:”The Adam Lambert Problem”- that title made me laugh real bad!
Seriously? Get a life, if Adam Lambert is such a problem to you…
(BTW- if Adam is a problem- I don’t mind you guys ship him overseas to us internationals for a while… )

TWOP has Adam as the number one person we did not know of before 2009

http://www.televisionwithoutpity.com/telefile/2009/12/twop-10-people-wed-never-heard.php

Here is a response to Peggy Noonan’s op ed.

Withers: Feeling bad? Blame Adam Lambert: http://www.365gay.com/blog/121809-its-all-adam-lamberts-fault/

Good analysis by Linda Holmes of the flawed logic in Peggy Noonan’s predictable WSJ op-ed: Let Them Watch Cake: The Class Problem With Kids-Only Broadcast TV.

Not to belabor any point but there are some things Linda Holmes said that are very valuable. And if the golden globes and the emmys are an indicator “award winning” television is not longer found on network TV. In fact I would hazard a guess that I watch network programming only about 10% of the time, if that.

And I, not having children at home, are somewhat affronted that without cable I would have to gear my viewing to what is appropriate for little ankle biters. And not to harken to the past, but when I was growing up TV wasn’t allowed for us kids after 8pm. The “family” shows came on at 7 and then the rest of the night was reserved for the adults. And Saturday was our TV day with kids fare from sunup to sundown.

There is no easy solution…but I am tired of having my life controlled by parents of children who want to assume no responsibility and want their burdens to be placed on society. TV’s, like computers, have parental controls…peeps just need to learn to use them!

Another article it rebuttal to Ms Noonans article.

http://www.365gay.com/blog/121809-its-all-adam-lamberts-fault/

if you’re going to ask parents to do their own screening, it makes some sense to give them an idea of what to expect. (This falls apart a bit if you know the risque history of the AMAs, but I’m giving this position the benefit of the doubt.)

But the Network did rate it TV 14, so not like there wasn’t any effort made to let parents know that those 8 and 10 year olds that Peggy was worried about being scarred, maybe shouldn’t have been watching that show. And if they didn’t get that through the first few hours of acts with a fair amount of sexual and violent content, than they have more problems as parents than just Adam Lambert.

Which again, I found that he went too far and it was icky and inappropriate, but I wasn’t scarred by it now, nor would it have scarred me as a child of 14 upwards. Nor even as an 8 year old. Not that my mom would just plop me in front of a TV anyway. And if I did see something “bad,” she would explain it to me, because she’s my parent, and that’s what she did, because that was her job as my parent.

http://www.televisionwithoutpity.com/telefile/2009/12/twop-10-people-wed-never-heard.php

Wait till 2010.

tweet from ElPaso411′ ¦

1,876 Tickets remain for the 76 annual Brut Sunbowl feat. David Archuleta at halftime! Hurry! 14 minutes ago from web

http://twitter.com/ElPaso411

The stadium has a capacity of 50,426, so that figure is very impressive. Lots of potential new fans to be wowed by The Voice. Haha! (Not to mention the multitude that will be watching from their couches).

Source

Sue do you have any clue as to what they are playing on Gridlock (setlist)? Maybe Monte or LG could give us a few hints…

I am pretty sure of FYE, WWFM, MA, Fever and IIHY. That leaves 5…

In other DC news, anyone see that youtube he retweeted where this male bodybuilder used Light On? Gross! Haha, that guy is amused by the oddest things. I find it interesting that he chose to RT that odd video, but not, say that super-cute Italian dance video set to A Daily Anthem (it’s sooo cute! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ca59j9UCu4 ). I think he likes to go for the S’s and G’s’ ¦

OMG. I saw that and I’m scarred for life, so thanks David and Scott. lol

Well, that didn’t take long…

http://www.billboard.com/slideshow/196807?decorator=slideshow&confirm=true#/slideshow/196807?decorator=slideshow&confirm=true

FYE is #6 album of the decade? Wow. (No complaints here.)

I don’t know ,saga, but I’ll see if Monte lets us know at some point. (My guess is that the band isn’t sure. OTOH, they are rehearsing every night now, so they have to be working on specific songs.)

Good analysis by Linda Holmes of the flawed logic in Peggy Noonan’s WSJ op-ed: Let Them Watch Cake: The Class Problem With Kids-Only Broadcast TV.

wow. This is a great article. Holmes makes some good points and I almost never like her articles! She made me think about this whole topic in a different way by removing the “culture war” fight Peggy Noonan used in her article.

In other DC news, anyone see that youtube he retweeted where this male bodybuilder used Light On? Gross! Haha, that guy is amused by the oddest things. I find it interesting that he chose to RT that odd video, but not, say that super-cute Italian dance video set to A Daily Anthem (it’s sooo cute! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ca59j9UCu4). I think he likes to go for the S’s and G’s’ ¦

Fixing the link –
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ca59j9UCu4

And the bodybuilding one in David Cook tweet –
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wd7IjhaNn7s

Starting 5:47 mark (just fastforward to it, hard to watch if you are not into this sort of things), weird choice of song if you ask me. Speaking of bodybuilding, here’s an, ummm, interesting one I came across –

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1to5JO5-zfY

I don’t get the whole ‘**** YOU I WON’T DO WHAT YOU TELL ME!’  crap in music. I’m all for controversy and ‘standing up to the man’  (as a hippie(?) might put it) and all that jazz but overly angry music is stupid. Ugh.

Songs can be about any emotion, so why not the very angry one? Just the kind of music to listen to when you are in a foul mood.

I actually bought that song, Joe’s song is just so awful it doesn’t deserve to get anywhere near #1. Joe still has the advantage of physical single sales though, so may well win the race. Another problem for the anti-Cowell camp is that many people do multiple downloads which voided all their downloads in the official statistics. Apparently last year far more singles (perhaps a few hundred thousands more) were sold for Jeff Buckley than Alexandra’s version of Hallelujah, but it still came second because too many people did multiple downloads.

“(BTW- if Adam is a problem- I don’t mind you guys ship him overseas to us internationals for a while’ ¦ )”

I often think that’s likely going to happen.

It’s because of people like Noonan, we can’t have nice things like Adam here. *sigh*

http://www.billboard.com/slideshow/196807?decorator=slideshow&confirm=true#/slideshow/196807?decorator=slideshow&confirm=true

FYE is #6 album of the decade? Wow. (No complaints here.)

None here either. Well one. I wish they had used one of the wonderful photos of Adam instead of his CD cover. Hey, they did it for everyone else!

FYE is #6 album of the decade? Wow. (No complaints here.)

It looks like it is a readers poll. I’m glad for Adam, but again, it’s a readers’ poll.

http://www.billboard.com/slideshow/196807?decorator=slideshow&confirm=true#/slideshow/196807?decorator=slideshow&confirm=true

I’m sorry but that whole list is ridiculous. Kanye’s 808s and Heartbreak is not even mentioned. Ashley Tisdale’s “Guilty Pleasure’ is a top ten album of the decade? Billboard itself gave the album a 4.5/10. Billboard lost a lot of credibility with me there.

I have just had a thought – to some people, like Chelsea or Leno, Adam is like Sammy Davis Jr. was to the Rat Pack – the black pet – now he is a gay pet – I don’t think I like it very much

ozarka
12/18/2009 at 3:11 pm

Not to be snarky and the Sun Bowl is a nice paying gig for Archie…but in 50 years of going to football games and holiday bowl games I can’t remember a single performing artist, nor did a performance ever drive me to buy an album. In fact half time was a great time to get up and stretch and buy another beer. And even the crowd watching at home in the comfort of their living rooms won’t be devoting much attention to Archie. It will be a nice gig for his fans….the rest of the world, not so much.

I can’t even remember who played at the opening and closing of the Olympics I attended in Salt Lake in 2002. Sporting events and entertainment just don’t attrack the same crowds.

FYE is #6 album of the decade? Wow. (No complaints here.)

I’m not a huge fan, and I haven’t bought the album (although I will be buying at least of few of the singles)…. but this type of accolade worries me (and would worry me even more if I was a big fan).

I know it’s a reader poll and we’ve discussed how ‘unscientific’ those are. This type of result is just too much, too soon. If the album had been out for months, sold tons, produced several hit singles,or garnered other awards it would make sense. But here it just screams overinvested fan base. To me, it does nothing to increase my likelihood of listening to this music.. instead I just roll my eyes.

If I was a big fan of Adam’s (or Ashley Tisdale, for that matter), I would hate this, because I wonder if it would do more harm than good. I mean, I LOVE Kris’s CD, but I wouldn’t want him on this list yet. In 6-12 months after a real track record is developed? Sure… but not yet.

http://www.billboard.com/slideshow/196807?decorator=slideshow&confirm=true#/slideshow/196807?decorator=slideshow&confirm=true

I’m sorry but that whole list is ridiculous. Kanye’s 808s and Heartbreak is not even mentioned. Ashley Tisdale’s ‘Guilty Pleasure’ is a top ten album of the decade? Billboard itself gave the album a 4.5/10. Billboard lost a lot of credibility with me there.

I’m sorry, but WTF? #6 on Albums of the Decade? Really? With all the albums that came out over a 10 year period? I know not a popular opinion here, but not flying with me. I agree that it is too much at this point..I just roll my eyes at this point. And, for the record, I would have had the same reaction if Kris had been included on this list.

Adam is like Sammy Davis Jr. was to the Rat Pack

Oh, you wouldn’t believe how much Sammy Davis and the Rat Pack did for civil rights. Because of them…Las Vegas opened up their hotels, casinos, and stages to the black population. Sammy was never a “pet”. He was a strong, viable member and the rat pack’s love for him opened up a lot of prejudiced eyes.

I’m sorry, but WTF? #6 on Albums of the Decade? Really? With all the albums that came out over a 10 year period? I know not a popular opinion here, but not flying with me.

Well, it’s a readers poll…that’s all. I thought it was kind of cool. I would take the fact that he made the year’s countdown more seriously and legit. We’ll see in the future if he is still at the top of readers’ radar (of course, I hope so).

I am glad for Archie, but if I’m being honest, I only remember who sings at the Super Bowl and the World Series.

I agree, Tess. If Adam raises attention about the legitimacy of gay artists, then so much the better. He can do so w/out serving as their poster boy.

Adam doesn’t belong on the Billboard list – the only Idols that should possibly have albums on that list are Kelly, Carrie or Daughtry – maybe if Adam had gone platinum like SuBo did I’d think he had a shot – but otherwise, no.

Apparently last year far more singles (perhaps a few hundred thousands more) were sold for Jeff Buckley than Alexandra’s version of Hallelujah, but it still came second because too many people did multiple downloads.

And yet all those sales lined Simon Cowell’s bulging pockets since, if I’m not mistaken, he owns the copyright on the Leonard Cohen-penned song.

I know it’s a reader poll and we’ve discussed how ‘unscientific’ those are. This type of result is just too much, too soon. If the album had been out for months, sold tons, produced several hit singles,or garnered other awards it would make sense. But here it just screams overinvested fan base.

Exactly. Beyond embarrassing.

It’s impossible to stop Idol fans from voting on Internet polls. It kinda turns them all into jokes .

“Billboard itself gave the album [Tisdale album] a 4.5/10.”

Does Billboard have another list of THEIR top ten, based on their reviews? They probably should.

How many times could people vote – once or gazillion? This is just another “hit” generator, right? I really dislike polls/contests/etc. in which people can vote a gazillion times if they want (it’s something I don’t like about AI, frankly). It’s just really tiresome.

But I don’t think there’s a significant number of people thinking “oh, yay!” OR “I’m outraged at the injustice!”

FYE is #6 album of the decade?

Lol

I was going to say how completely and utterly barmy that was, until I saw it was a reader’s poll and then I just rolled my eyes.

It’s still completely and utterly barmy, but more understandable – I take it it was an online poll.

One things that you can say for devoted online Idol fans – especially of the most recent series (edit: whichever series that might be) – they sure do know how to vote on online polls.

FYE is #6 album of the decade? Wow.

yep-wow.but why isn’t it number 1 (j/k).it’s just a fun reader poll so I don’t think it matters at all,but it’s nice to know how much his fans support him.

nice to see you again,sue.
The Adam Lambert Problem

ignoring everything WRONG with this article(and there are a lot of things) this is a little late.I mean ,in 4 days it’s going to be a month since the ama’s.sad this is still getting news stories.

Why choose Adam? Only Peggy can say. It may be that Adam was the one that offended her the most…

I seriously doubt she even watched the show.

Adam doesn’t belong on the Billboard list ‘“ the only Idols that should possibly have albums on that list are Kelly, Carrie or Daughtry ‘“ maybe if Adam had gone platinum like SuBo did I’d think he had a shot ‘“ but otherwise, no.

I’m not trying to defend the billboard poll,but unless I misunderstood it’s the best albums of the decade-not the highest sales of the decade.

But I don’t think there’s a significant number of people thinking ‘oh, yay!’  OR ‘I’m outraged at the injustice!’ 

Exactly. Why would anyone take these readers’ polls seriously? Most people won’t even see them, and those who do, will forget the results the minute they click to another site. So I don’t see a very good reason to be over the top delighted or over the top disgusted with the results…

I can’t believe the Claymates didn’t get one of Clay’s albums on that list. Shocker.

It’s because of people like Noonan, we can’t have nice things like Adam here. *sigh*

Peggy Noonan is arguably completely tone-deaf to half the American public, but in this age of anemic music sales, all it would take for Adam to have a blockbuster album is for a million or two of the 110,000,000 households in the U.S. to purchase FYE. Hell, you could have 300,000,000 bigots abstain from buying it “on principle,” and it still wouldn’t keep the other 30 million Americans from buying it.

I hardly think “people like Noonan” have the power to keep hundreds of millions of Americans from buying a CD if they like it.

There is no easy solution’ ¦but I am tired of having my life controlled by parents of children who want to assume no responsibility and want their burdens to be placed on society.

So much YES to this. I am a 40(ish) woman with no kids, no desire to have kids and am really really tired of the kidification of everything in this life. Sometimes things are just for adults and that is perfectly fine – And Adam clearly prefers a more adult audience and good for him.

I have given up the peace and quiet cup of my coffee shop to the pram wielding coffee mommies, my enjoyment of (adult themed) movies to screaming toddlers and chattering 10 year olds, there are restaurants I just can’t even bear to walk into. Don’t get me wrong I like kids, like spending time with them and playing with them, but there is a time and a place where kids just shouldn’t be and 10pm + at night in front of a TV screen is probably one of them. Perhaps that is the morality issue we should be talking about (rather than a bit of risk make believe on a stage)!

jpfan
12/18/2009 at 3:57 pm

I can’t believe the Claymates didn’t get one of Clay’s albums on that list. Shocker.

lol

Well, if Noonan wanted attention, she’s gotten it. Two rebuttals so far, and more to come, I suspect.

I’m not trying to defend the billboard poll,but unless I misunderstood it’s the best albums of the decade-not the highest sales of the decade.

And that makes it even more embarrassing!

And that makes it even more embarrassing

maybe–but I was responding to a poster who said ‘ if Adam had sold platinum then maybe he could be on that list’

Yep, Billboard has a critics’ choice top ten albums list.

That’s the relevant list, I would think, as far as “worthiness” discussions go, but there are no idol alums there.

Everything else is a fan contest (and Adam’s fans did him proud again).

Everything else is a fan contest (and Adam’s fans did him proud again).

The biggest “fan contest” is SALES, and I’d say SuBo’s fans pwned Adam’s on that one.

BootStar
12/18/2009 at 4:05 pm

I’m not trying to defend the billboard poll,but unless I misunderstood it’s the best albums of the decade-not the highest sales of the decade.

And that makes it even more embarrassing!

Well I’m not embarrassed at all. For most people that are not in the A I bubble they will just think oh look at that Adam Lambert Album is number 4 or 6 maybe I should check it out. Its not like it is not a good album. Most critiques thinks so. It has an average of 70 on the metacritic website. So again no embarrassment.

BootStar
12/18/2009 at 4:14 pm

Everything else is a fan contest (and Adam’s fans did him proud again).

The biggest ‘fan contest’  is SALES, and I’d say SuBo’s fans pwned Adam’s on that one.

Yes her fans did, to him and every other artist.

The biggest ‘fan contest’  is SALES, and I’d say SuBo’s fans pwned Adam’s on that one.

Yes she did, him and every other artist.

And I for one will be interested to see how many of her “fans” front up to buy her second album or see her in concert… only time will tell. For now yes, she and her backstory owned the 2009 charts and every other artist on them.

it’s the best albums of the decade-not the highest sales of the decade.

And that makes it even more embarrassing!

I don’t agree. It is the first CD I’ve been really excited about in probably 10 years. I’ve purchased other music, Metallica, The Offspring, Muse, but I was really giddy with anticipation for FYE. I do think it is one of the best CDs in my recent collection.

Yep, Billboard has a critics’ choice top ten albums list.

That’s the relevant list, I would think, as far as ‘worthiness’  discussions go, but there are no idol alums there.

Honestly – I should think not!

No Idol graduate has produced anything musically that could remotely be considered the ‘best of the decade’: that’s reserved for albums that have truely gone beyond being popular, into being part of music history. And I just don’t think any of them have done that.

One of them might at some point in the future – who knows?

As far as FYE being the 6th best album of the decade, on any reckoning – it’s ludicrous. As ludicrous as it would be if any Idol fanbase had voted their favourite’s music as standing on a similar level.

But it’s not worth angsting over, that’s for sure. It’s just nuts.

I’m sorry, but WTF? #6 on Albums of the Decade? Really? With all the albums that came out over a 10 year period? I know not a popular opinion here, but not flying with me. I agree that it is too much at this point..I just roll my eyes at this point. And, for the record, I would have had the same reaction if Kris had been included on this list.

This was a readers poll list. For every person that might be rolling their eyes I think you will get just as many saying to themselves hmmm really let me take a look at his album. So in a way it will help with viability for the album. Its not like it is a crap album.

And yet all those sales lined Simon Cowell’s bulging pockets since, if I’m not mistaken, he owns the copyright on the Leonard Cohen-penned song.

I think you are mistaken. Sony owns the rights to Leonard Cohen’s songs, not Simon. The confusion may have arisen because Simon’s company is part of Sony, that doesn’t mean that Simon owns anything that Sony owns.

I’m sure this was a hard picture for David C to pose in….

http://blogs.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendID=382394266&blogID=522727372

For the record- I don’t think SuBo has actual fans (ok- I guess she probably has some)- but her sales are huge because a ton of people, who aren’t necesserally “fans” of hers have heard of her and thought it would be a nice gesture to buy her album especially around the holidays.
I don’t think there are many people who are “die hard fans”, though, that would vote for her in polls etc.

And I agree with dhunken- being on that list is just one more promotional opportunity for people who haven’t checked out the album to become curious and have a listen… (that’s what I’m hoping, anyway…)

As far as FYE being the 6th best album of the decade, on any reckoning ‘“ it’s ludicrous. As ludicrous as it would be if any Idol fanbase had voted their favorite music as standing on a similar level.

But it’s not worth angsting over, that’s for sure. It’s just nuts.

While I may agree with you about it being #6 album of the decade I think it is one of the better ones, and being #4 for 2009 I don’t think is NUTS. I appreciate that for you it maybe ludicrous but for many it is not and Some might feel that Taylor Swift shouldn’t be on there or anyone of those in the top 10. Britney has 2. It all a matter of perspective.

Adam’s album is one of the greatest in my book. I don’t think Subo’s album is great even if she sells a zillion copies of it. There is nothing embarrassing about For Your Entertainment making the list of the best albums. It was the choice of those who decided to vote and those who think the poll is stupid or doesn’t mean a thing can and will continue to do what they do best on the internet, bullshit.

think you will get just as many saying to themselves hmmm really let me take a look at his album

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Mm, seeing Ashley Tisdale’s album on the list as album of the decade #7 doesn’t have that affect on me. I just think what the f..k?

I love how Susan Boyle has become a complete phenom.

Although she’s not my cup of tea (I did not buy her CD – but, who knows, maybe someone’s getting it for me for Christmas?!) I teared up when I saw that the viral vid of her audition.

It did my heart good, I tell you, to see her turn the petty and even hateful snickers of mockery into silenced awe and then appreciative applause.

I’m happy for her and pray she is able to handle and enjoy the insta-fame and wealth.

I marvel at her unusual road to success and celebrate her for being the most unlikely of new mega-stars, you know what I mean?

jpfan
12/18/2009 at 3:49 pm

It’s impossible to stop Idol fans from voting on Internet polls. It kinda turns them all into jokes .

Well then the same could be said of every artist that has fans post. All these polls are well aware of the fact that invested fans will post more then others. Otherwise they would have a one vote per IP address. I think that every Idol kind of artist be it from American Idol or Disney have fans that are passionate about their idols. Does not make them jokes. That is why RS Billboard have reader polls and Critique polls for balance. For me some of those Critique polls are jokes because they pick some of the most obscure artist sometimes. Which all it does is bring notoriety to these artist just like reader polls do. IMHO

Mm, seeing Ashley Tisdale’s album on the list as album of the decade #7 doesn’t have that affect on me. I just think what the f..k?

Hmm, all this talk about Ashley Tisdale… I’ve never heard about her but maybe I should go to iTunes to check her album since I have no idea what her music sounds like (Ashley is a girl, right?)

While I think all internet polls are silly, I will say that FYE is definitely one of my favorite albums of the decade (would people be less insulted if the Billboard poll was “favorite” instead of “best”? I assume that people voted for their favorite, not for what was the most critically acclaimed.) It is the first album I have loved from beginning to end (I mostly just download singles now rather than buying full cds)

Some might feel that Taylor Swift shouldn’t be on there or anyone of those in the top 10. Britney has 2. It all a matter of perspective.

Well absolutely, I agree there. Taylor Swift is very popular at the moment, but I wouldn’t say she had established herself as either a msuical or a cultural icon as yet.

I wouldn’t say that Britney Spears’ music is all that, but at least you could make a case for her as a cultural phenomenon of the past decade and some of her songs and performances have become iconic in a way, at least for that particular kind of music.

Look – I get that fact that we all love our music and our favourite artists and that, for us, as individuals, their music and albums are the tops. Sticking to Idol, David Cook’s albums are seriously some of my favourite albums. And, speaking of Idol grads who have reached a much larger audience, I’m sure that there are fans of Carrie U, Kelly C, Daughtry and yes, even Clay Aiken, who would say the same things.

But there’s a difference between individual (and fanbase) passion and music or albums that are universally recognised as being ‘the best’ in terms of either representing an era or being musically creative or inventive: breakthrough moments in an established artist’s development or in the sound of the decade.

Any fans of any artist could claim that their music is the ‘best of the decade’ for them, but it’s kind of shortsighted and naval gazing, IMO, to extrapolate from that to ‘best of the decade’ full stop.

I agree with those who say it just makes Idol fans look ridiculous – and I’d say that no matter who they were voting for.

Well, that didn’t take long’ ¦

http://www.billboard.com/slideshow/196807?decorator=slideshow&confirm=true#/slideshow/196807?decorator=slideshow&confirm=true

FYE is #6 album of the decade? Wow. (No complaints here.)

Oy. It really doesn’t make the Idol alums look good when their fans do stuff like this.

Everyone realizes that this is the result of tv-reality-show fans voting and strongly suspects, rightly or wrongly, that these are the type of tv-watching-but-generally-not-music-listening fans who couldn’t pass a test on what the other pop albums of the decade are. ….

To me, it does nothing to increase my likelihood of listening to this music.. instead I just roll my eyes.

I’m a fan and it makes me roll my eyes…and then move on. I don’t think it will cause some big backlash, people who read Billboard and who aren’t in the bubble might go ‘whaa?’ and then go ‘ohh, reader poll, whatever,’ shrug their shoulders and just like the rest of the list, agree or disagree with it based on their particular criteria.

I get what you’re saying about worrying about backlash, I worry about that too, especially when I don’t think Adam should be on that list at. all. (and I really like the album, but of the decade? please) But I don’t think stuff like this will really cause that. It’s more regular media saturation and approbation that I think would. I mean who even reads or looks at Billboard? Either the magazine or the website?

I think you are mistaken. Sony owns the rights to Leonard Cohen’s songs, not Simon. The confusion may have arisen because Simon’s company is part of Sony, that doesn’t mean that Simon owns anything that Sony owns.

Sadly, Cowell does own the rights to the Buckley version of the song.

Not only is he enjoying the profits of X Factor winner Alexandra Burke’s Hallelujah, his company also owns the rights to the Jeff Buckley’s version and the original by songwriter Leonard Cohen.

Incredibly, all three versions expected to top the charts – Alexandra’s is tipped to be the Christmas No 1 with Buckley and Cohen possibly in second and third place.

He is raking in a whopping £250,000-a-day from the tracks, according to a report today.

Mm, seeing Ashley Tisdale’s album on the list as album of the decade #7 doesn’t have that affect on me. I just think what the f..k?

Who the f..k is Ashley Tisdale?

Mm, seeing Ashley Tisdale’s album on the list as album of the decade #7 doesn’t have that affect on me. I just think what the f..k?

LOL I am right there with you but there maybe many who would not think like us. I would like to offer Susan Boyle as exhibit 1.

Adam’s album on a “Decade’s Best” list?

Wow. Way to ruin that list’s creditability. Britney’s on there, too? As well as Taylor freakin Swift and…..ASHLEE TISDALE?

Why mock this list any further? It certainly doesn’t need any help.

Who the f..k is Ashley Tisdale?

LOL She is a Disney child and one of the High School Musical group.

agathe.hb
12/18/2009 at 3:30 pm
I have just had a thought ‘“ to some people, like Chelsea or Leno, Adam is like Sammy Davis Jr. was to the Rat Pack ‘“ the black pet ‘“ now he is a gay pet ‘“ I don’t think I like it very much

Well, Sammy was a genuine friend of the Rat Pack and as another poster said the friendship helped break down some barriers…

However, Adam is not really a personal friend of Chelsea or Leno, he’s just the flavor of the month to them. I find the constant gay jokes (not just about Adam, it is an overriding theme of late night TV) to be offensive. A little humor is good, but IMO the constant jokes about gays is definitely overkill and wouldn’t be tolerated for any other minority category such as race.

Hmm, all this talk about Ashley Tisdale’ ¦ I’ve never heard about her but maybe I should go to iTunes to check her album since I have no idea what her music sounds like (Ashley is a girl, right?)

Well, I actually did go and listen to her song snippets. Yeah, not my cup of tea. But does her being in the top10 make me think badly of her fans? Not really. At least she seems to have fans.

LOL She is a Disney child and one of the High School Musical group.

Jeez! I think my point above is made.

Edit: but it also means I’ve wasted my time, thinking out a considered opinion on a poll that is truely airheaded. :lol

As far as FYE being the 6th best album of the decade, on any reckoning ‘“ it’s ludicrous. As ludicrous as it would be if any Idol fanbase had voted their favourite’s music as standing on a similar level.

This is why I have always thought, and still do, that most fan polls are meaningless. They can be spammed, and thus don’t mean much. The best albums of the past decade probably don’t have fans out spamming the contest. Because, well, they don’t have to; everyone already knows how good those albums are. And, I don’t think most people put much stock into such lists, not if they stop and think about how the lists were created and who voted (i.e. fans).

But it’s not worth angsting over, that’s for sure.

Definitely not. Fan polls have been with us for years and aren’t going away. The only kind of poll I’ll vote for, for an artist I like, is something like VH-1 Video Countdown, which has a purpose and a goal, which is to keep the video visible, and often to get the singer/group on the show to do an interview. But these lists don’t mean diddley. And it doesn’t matter how good Adam’s cd is, or David Cook’s, or most people, they aren’t the best of the decade most likely. Though I might secretly think that DC’s cd is that good, and I might also think that Daughtry’s first cd is right up there too, I know it’s a long shot, there are so many good ones … I really like “best of” lists if they are thoughtfully compiled by music experts who try to be objective and to use tangible guidelines when judging.

I can’t believe the Claymates didn’t get one of Clay’s albums on that list. Shocker.

No kidding. I guess Clay’s in more trouble than I thought, lol.

Adam’s album is one of the greatest in my book. I don’t think Subo’s album is great even if she sells a zillion copies of it. There is nothing embarrassing about For Your Entertainment making the list of the best albums. It was the choice of those who decided to vote and those who think the poll is stupid or doesn’t mean a thing can and will continue to do what they do best on the internet, bullshit.

Yes, just like on American Idol, those who vote the most determine the winner. And how many people think that automatically equates with “the best”?

Susan Boyle doesn’t have fans? Oh geez. Just because ones fanbase isn’t loud and all over the net spamming polls doesn’t mean the woman doesn’t have fans. Regardles of WHY you think she’s sold as much as she has and regardless if you think her album is horrible..doesn’t mean she doesn’t have fans. Did you watch that TV Guide special on her? The commotion she caused arriving in the states? I seriously doubt her insane sales are only because people like her story or just feel bad for her.

Honestly it is just online polls. I am actually surprised that Adam made it as high as he did. I for one did not know there even was a poll for this and I do check twitter quite a bit. As far as I know it was not “pushed” for votes like some of the other polls that are. I would be just as happy if any of the idols made the list but I would not take it as the definitive end all and claim it as fact. It is just a fun thing that will be forgotten a week from now. Believe me I am more concerned and take more credibility in if his sales are 60K next week. (my prediction)

“[T]here’s a difference between individual (and fanbase) passion and music or albums that are universally recognised as being ‘the best’ in terms of either representing an era or being musically creative or inventive.”

Wasn’t Billboard accommodating for that difference by having a critics’ choice list and a reader poll on the internet . . .?

Yes, just like on American Idol, those who vote the most determine the winner. And how many people think that automatically equates with ‘the best’ ?

Very good point! I guess just like a lot polls and voting things sometimes it happens to be the same thing and sometimes not so much

Out of curiosity, I looked it up on wiki (2002 Olympics):

“The opening ceremonies included Grammy Award-winning artist LeAnn Rimes singing “Light the Fire Within,” the official song of the 2002 Olympics.
The Grammy Award-winning Mormon Tabernacle Choir performed the “Star-Spangled Banner,” National Anthem of the United States, for the opening ceremonies.
John Williams composed a five-minute work for orchestra and chorus, Call of the Champions, that served as the official theme of the 2002 Winter Olympics, his first for a Winter Olympiad. It was performed by the Utah Symphony Orchestra and featured the Mormon Tabernacle Choir singing the official motto of the Olympic Games “Citius, Altius, Fortius”"

(“American Sarah Hughes won the gold medal in figure skating. American and heavy favorite Michelle Kwan fell during her long program and received the bronze medal.” That sure brings back memories, I was a Sarah Hughes fan and it was beyond exciting.)

“The closing ceremonies marked the final live performance of KISS with its lineup of Stanley/Simmons/Frehley/Singer. They performed “Rock and Roll All Nite.” Other artists performing at the 2002 ceremonies were Yo Yo Ma, R. Kelly, Christina Aguilera, Sting, Dianne Reeves, Harry Connick Jr., Dorothy Hamill, Dave Matthews Band, ‘N Sync, Earth, Wind & Fire, The Dixie Chicks, Josh Groban, Charlotte Church and the Mormon Tabernacle Choir.”

Is David A. singing during the opening or closing ceremonies? If so, that’s quite an honorable gig, imo.

Wasn’t Billboard accommodating for that difference by having a critics’ choice list and a reader poll on the internet . . .?

Yeah – I guess I just think it’s kind of sad that the ‘readers’, whoever they may be, have so little critical detatchment: but like I said, if some Disney starlet is on the list as well, then ‘airheaded’ might be a generous description of the poll. :lol

Yes, just like on American Idol, those who vote the most determine the winner. And how many people think that automatically equates with ‘the best’ ?

There’s a difference, as the winner of AI is “the best singer out of the top 12″ or out of those who auditioned, but the other list is “best of the decade” and that’s a different criteria. Nobody’s claiming that the Idols are the “best singers of the decade” but just the best of that season’s crop of contestants, and everyone knows it is also fan-driven. Anyway, “the best” of anything, especially something like music or art, is another meaningless term, since there is no “best”, but best cd of the decade, that is reasonably specific.

Wasn’t Billboard accommodating for that difference by having a critics’ choice list and a reader poll on the internet . . .?

Sure, but it’s surprising that an entity like Billboard, which is a respected gauge of music sales and viability, would even have a reader’s poll, which is on the silly side when you think about it. I’m surprised they even have one. I suppose they want viewer interaction. It’s no earthshaking biggie, but a lot of people don’t stop to think about what a reader’s poll means, so something gets lost in the shuffle, as is common these days.

I think that every Idol kind of artist be it from American Idol or Disney have fans that are passionate about their idols. Does not make them jokes.

Of course it does. It means that their fans are so warped in their judgement they’d vote for their idol whatever the poll may be (oh, the greatest album of all time, the greatest person ever lived, whatever). They have lost all sense of reason. Won’t really do Adam any harm, but the reputation of Glamberts? Well….

I still don’t get it. Why aren’t all the fans who watch his televison appearances, vote on these fan polls and say he will fill arenas because they are willing to travel anywhere to see him, buying his music? Surely these fans number more than 300,000.

Adam video with JoJo Wright of Kiss Fm Small Interview

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U34EFnt1Ddk

Susan Boyle doesn’t have fans? Oh geez.

LOL yes she does seem to have about 3 million worldwide so far, and more each week.

I still don’t get it. Why aren’t all the fans who watch his televison appearances, vote on these fan polls and say he will fill arenas because they are willing to travel anywhere to see him, buying his music? Surely these fans number more than 300,000.

Well, cds cost money and so fans are limited by their pocketbooks, but it costs nothing except time to vote repeatedly on a poll. If cds were free, I would have helped DC sell millions by now, and Allison would be looking good too.

Why aren’t all the fans who watch his televison appearances, vote on these fan polls and say he will fill arenas because they are willing to travel anywhere to see him, buying his music?

Not that this is the only reason, but one contributing factor is that with a few clicks of the mouse, you can get if for free. Within less than an hour of Adam’s album being up on iTunes, the torrents were up. These days a lot of people see nothing wrong with that, even if they are a fan.

I don’t mourn the lack of “critical detatchment” of “Disney starlet” fans or any other fans.

The poll is set-up to generate hits, IMO, and a lot teenaged girls probably voted for Ashley Tisdale or a few voted a lot. I don’t expect teenaged girls or any fans to be music critics.

Hazehel
12/18/2009 at 5:03 pm

I think that every Idol kind of artist be it from American Idol or Disney have fans that are passionate about their idols. Does not make them jokes.

Of course it does. It means that their fans are so warped in their judgement they’d vote for their idol whatever the poll may be (oh, the greatest album of all times, the greatest person ever lived, whatever). They have lost all sense of reason. Won’t really do Adam any harm, but the reputation of Glamberts? Well’ ¦.

Well then that could be said of sports team fans College team fans, Political candidate fans, Truthfully anyone who has time for any of these polls and votes multiple times on them no matter who it is for have lost sense of reason on some level. (raises hand slowly) oh got to got to my reader polls anonymous group J/K I really don’t go searching for polls to vote on. I take them for what they are worth. So those polls and $2.25 gets me a one way ride on the NYC subways.

Sadly, Cowell does own the rights to the Buckley version of the song.

Well, I know that Daily Mail article, it’s been quoted everywhere and the reason why some people think Simon owns the rights to the song, and I think it is wrong. Sony bought everything of Leonard Cohen through a few deals, why just that song should suddenly find its way into Simon’s grubby little hands would be really odd to say the least. Don’t trust everything newspaper says.

Why do we always find something to fight about lol

Good question!

It is the first CD I’ve been really excited about in probably 10 years. I’ve purchased other music, Metallica, The Offspring, Muse, but I was really giddy with anticipation for FYE. I do think it is one of the best CDs in my recent collection

Well, I’m hardly the most objective person to offer an opinion on this, but now that I’ve made that disclaimer, I’ll say FYE is one of the only albums I’ve bought PERIOD in a long time. I just don’t buy albums anymore – singles, sure, but albums, heck no (though I’ll probably buy Gaga’s, and in hindsight I SHOULD have bought JT’s FutureSex/LoveSounds, because there were so many winners on that one. But otherwise, yeah, most albums are pretty bland, with one or two standout tracks, if that.

FYE is amazingly diverse, catchy (and yes, that’s a good thing!), and I seriously had every song in my head after just 2 listens of the album. So, yeah, from this non-objective standpoint, FYE is a winner

I don’t expect teenaged girls or any fans to be music critics, I don’t begrudge them or the artists they support.

Oh yeah – I can understand it in kids. So if it’s a kid’s poll then fine.

And if it were a ‘my current favourite album’ poll, then fine.

If adults were voting on it then I stick to my original response: nuts!

Harmless and good for a laugh, but nuts.

Well, I know that Daily Mail article, it’s been quoted everywhere and the reason why some people think Simon owns the rights to the song, and I think it is wrong. Sony bought everything of Leonard Cohen through a few deals, why just that song should suddenly find its way into Simon’s grubby little hands would be really odd to say the least. Don’t trust everything newspaper says.

I certainly hope you’re right, Hazehel!!!

About the reader’s polls, any reader’s polls, most people will neither see them, nor care who is even on them. What people remember is the album that gets that rare 5 star review from RollingStone or the ones that get nominated for Grammies. Why people are getting so bent out of shape over what is nothing more than a silly online fan poll I will never understand. But I am curious, who knew about this poll in the first place? I think I am a pretty good Adam fan and I never heard a peep about it.

Surely these fans number more than 300,000.

Not necessarily. It only take a couple hundred active online fans to create a lot of activity in terms of posts on message boards , you-tube hits, and poll numbers so it’s pretty hard to judge the size of a committed fan base from the internet activity for an given AI contestant. That’s one of the reasons I find it so interesting to watch the actual sales numbers. Some contestants seem to have fanbases that are pretty sizable, but a relatively small online presence, e.g. Jennifer Hudson. Others have relatively small fanbases, but those fans are very dedicated and create a large online presence.

Listen, I haven’t researched the subject, but just because she sold lots of albums doesn’t mean that it’s “fans” buying.
I bought two Nora Jones albums. Do I consider myself a fan? No. I just liked those albums.
I was talking with my dad the other day, and told him that Susan Boyle- that woman who sang on that Youtube video a few months back- was selling really well- and he was “oh really? Maybe I should buy the album then, too. She has a good voice”.
Don’t know if he bought the album yet- but even if he did- it wouldn’t make him a fan of hers.
I guess it’s a matter of how you define the word “fan”.

I don’t even remember why this is relevant to anything (I’m suspecting it isn’t… )

Why people are getting so bent out of shape over what is nothing more than a silly online fan poll I will never understand

Are people getting bent out of shape?

It’s a Friday night – it caught my eye.

It’s certainly a better topic for aimless internet conversation than the ‘great gay debate’. And there’s nothing going on with Cook at the moment, or I’d probably be engaged in another navelgazing angst fest about DCTR2 :lol.

Well, that didn’t take long’ ¦

http://www.billboard.com/slideshow/196807?decorator=slideshow&confirm=true#/slideshow/196807?decorator=slideshow&confirm=true

Well, to me – looking at the list, Adam doesn’t seem out of place AT ALL – simply because, as you can see by the other names on it, it is a veritable who’s who of who is tops in terms of media coverage right now – I mean, 2 Britney albums, 2 Taylor Swift albums (Tisdale is the only really weird one to me – where’s Miley?), Lady Gaga, and MJ – all very much in the forefront of the current media circus (along with Adam).

So, yeah – I think it’s clearly more a representation of “what’s hot now”, and “what am I seeing in the media now.” (remember, people have very short attention spans, especially those who answer online polls – lol)

American Idiot was a good selection though.

I think I need some NEW Adam news . . .

American Idiot was a good selection though.

Yeah – that one gets a free pass.

fadetowhite, I think it is pretty obvious that a considerable amount of people are pretty bugged about the results of these online reader’s polls—not saying you are personally. But, this is not a new discussion on this blog.

fadetowhite, I think it is pretty obvious that a considerable amount of people are pretty bugged about the results of these online reader’s polls’”not saying you are personally. But, this is not a new discussion on this blog.

Oh – OK then, fair enough. I must have missed that ongoing debate.

Fadetowhite – oh surely we can come up with something Cook related to angst about: Will he sing the Anthem with Andrew or alone? What’exactly is he doing with all those blond cheerleaders, and is Neal jealous? etc.

Will he sing the Anthem with Andrew or alone? What’exactly is he doing with all those blond cheerleaders, and is Neal jealous? etc.

Will DCTR2 be filled with the National Anthems of various countries if he sings this song and does this mean that Neal will desert the Anthemic and be replaced with the KC cheerleading team?

Not that this is the only reason, but one contributing factor is that with a few clicks of the mouse, you can get if for free. Within less than an hour of Adam’s album being up on iTunes, the torrents were up. These days a lot of people see nothing wrong with that, even if they are a fan.

Exactly. People can get music for free but they can’t get a live concert for free. They have to pony up and spend the music to go. Even if you like someone’s music doesn’t mean you’re willing to spend the money to hear them live. I like the music of several Idol finalists, but I would only pay to go to the concert of one of them.

I think it is pretty obvious that a considerable amount of people are pretty bugged about the results of these online reader’s polls’”

nah…I certainly think there are people who post here and possibly on other similar blogs who are bugged by these polls but I think the majority of people couldn’t care less.

Well Jericho, that’s as it should be. All these polls will be forgotten in a week. It has provided a lot of discussion here over the past several days.

Tell me something- did I miss anything? What were the official album sales of this week? I only remember there were the predictions a few days ago- shouldn’t the real stats be available already?

Adam video with JoJo Wright of Kiss Fm Small Interview

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U34EFnt1Ddk

Funny you should post this admist the discussion about the Billboard poll. Read the second comment posted below on You Tubes.

Good interview. They make good points.

Read the second comment posted below on You Tubes.

Possibility a) – this was posted by a devoted internet fan, who may or may not vote on internet polls.

Possibility b) – this was posted by a chance convert to Lambert who stumbled across the album and thought it was that good.

Maybe we could take bets on which it was, although, truely, it could be either.

It’s a Friday night ‘“ it caught my eye.

It’s certainly a better topic for aimless internet conversation than the ‘great gay debate’. And there’s nothing going on with Cook at the moment, or I’d probably be engaged in another navelgazing angst fest about DCTR2 :lol.

You may have missed it with all the talk about polls but did you see a few pages back about the Charity thing idea for David Cook and in honor of his birthday. I think it is a pretty great idea and actually something of substance over this whole poll business. I donated.

dhunken

You may have missed it will all the talk about polls but did you see a few pages back about the Charity thing idea for David Cook and in honor of his birthday. I think it is a pretty great idea and actually something of substance over this whole poll business. I donated.

Thanks – but, no, I didn’t miss it and yes, it is a great idea.

I saw it yesterday on DCO.

But there’s not really much to debate in it…

Hmmm. From the national newspaper in Canada… some thoughts on pop culture (including Adam, AMAs, gays in pop culture, SB).

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/arts/2009-pop-gets-pathological/article1405213/#photos

What do you think?

Maybe we could take bets on which it was, although, truely, it could be either.

Probably has nothing to do with our discussion. I just thought it was ironic, and kind of funny.

I have noticed on several end of the decade posts that more recent items, people, events, etc. seem to be listed. Unless its a life-changing or deeply impactful event such as 9/11, people tend to move on and forget about things, or think about them differently over time. More recent things are fresher in the memory and have more pull on the emotions.

Adam is holding strong at No. 4 in the Time “People Who Mattered” reader’s poll, and judging by the numbers, that is a one-vote-per-IP poll. His current tally of 24,496 votes is still the highest. This doesn’t appear to be a case of multiple-vote Glambert spamming, he just has more people interested in him. Period.

Meh, I’m not too satisfied with about half of those artists being generic electropop artists. Hopefully either the phase mulls over soon (although I don’t see Lady GaGa and Britney Spears either dying out soon or becoming “un-generic” in my eyes)

But I’m extremely satisfied with the Adam Lambert songs I DO like (Soaked, WWFM, Music Again, and FYE, though the last is kinda a guilty pleasure since I don’t really like the genre).

And Adam’s a very interesting guy. He’s a really nice guy, comes off as friendly and likable, and he likes being somewhat controversial.

Will he sing the Anthem with Andrew or alone? What’exactly is he doing with all those blond cheerleaders, and is Neal jealous? etc.

Will DCTR2 be filled with the National Anthems of various countries if he sings this song and does this mean that Neal will desert the Anthemic and be replaced with the KC cheerleading team?

Bwah! I love the angst of DC fans. I swear if there was a news item or tweet from some random fan that said they saw DC walking around whistling, DC fans would instantly go on overdrive and talk about how they are worried that whistling tunes is the direction that DCTR2 is going in and they are not a fan of whistling albums (though maybe one whistling song would be okay), and that there is no way whistling tunes would ever get him that elusive Top40 hit. Followed of course by the whole, he is doomed! doomed! doomed!, RCA is kicking him to the curb meme.

As for Neal, what’s up his butt? He’s part of a band called the Anthemic and leaves because he can’t stand the fact that they may be singing a bunch of anthems? Dude can’t seem to make up your mind. And why be jealous of Dave’s cheerleaders? Maybe he and Dave can date twin cheerleaders to go with their matching RFE tattoos.

MTV Man of The Year

TOP 9 MEN OF THE YEAR

9. Eminem
8. Drake
7. Kanye West
6. Robert Pattinson
5. Lil Wayne
4. Taylor Lautner
3. Adam Lambert
2. Jay-Z
1. Michael Jackson

http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1628515/20091217/jackson_michael.jhtml

It seems that Time Warner Cable subscribers may be SOL.

Fox says Time Warner Cable may drop Fox TV shows

Executives at Time Warner Cable will be hoping to reach an agreement ahead of January 12, when the new season of hugely popular “American Idol” returns to air.

Here is a related article about what will was trying to post above about Time Warner Cable possibly dropping Fox TV shows

LINK

that is a one-vote-per-IP poll. His current tally of 24,496 votes is still the highest. This doesn’t appear to be a case of multiple-vote Glambert spamming, he just has more people interested in him. Period.

Any fan board worth it’s name has instructions on how to defeat those one-vote-per-IP rules.

If there really are that many people who think that “Adam is a person that mattered” this year, that’s kind of sad. There are people who are making a real difference in this world, but the fourth most “person that mattered” is a guy who was on a karaoke contest and loudly declares to the world that he doesn’t want to make a difference (his response to “Out”). He just wants to entertain.

With all the polls that Adam fans are spamming, when do they sleep? While it’s typical for Idol fans to win polls like VH1 and the teen choice awards, Adam fans have branched into entirely new categories. It’s a good thing that the presidential elections were last year or Adam might be the write in winner of that poll too.

From twitter:

@AdamLambert on the Cover of EW’s 2009 Best & Worst Issue – http://bit.ly/6ANiHW (with scans!)

will
12/18/2009 at 5:56 pm

Adam is holding strong at No. 4 in the Time ‘People Who Mattered’  reader’s poll, and judging by the numbers, that is a one-vote-per-IP poll. His current tally of 24,496 votes is still the highest. This doesn’t appear to be a case of multiple-vote Glambert spamming, he just has more people interested in him. Period.

And judging by his score of 62 you are correct there are more then just fans interested in voting for/against him. Polarizing is what he is and I know that Glamberts get picked on for being over invested but the Lamhurts (people who don’t like Adam and invest in trying to make him look bad. Yeah I made it up) I think are sadder. IMHO. I am not talking about people who just don’t like his music or singing or even him as a person I am more talking about the people who make it a mission to condemn or circumvent anything positive in regards to him. I am Not talking about anyone here.

Thanks Pam, I was going to add that article to my post but you beat me to it.

But what do you mean “trying to post”? lol

You may have missed it will all the talk about polls but did you see a few pages back about the Charity thing idea for David Cook and in honor of his birthday. I think it is a pretty great idea and actually something of substance over this whole poll business. I donated.

dhunken, thanks for bringing David Cook’s involvement in the Race for Hope back to the forefront, for those that might have missed it, and the idea of donating in honor of his birthday. Race for Hope is a very good cause. I saw the charity page posted several weeks ago and made my donation at that time. But I’m sure that people outside of David Cook’s fans might not have been aware that he was participating again in this effort to raise funds and awareness for brain cancer research. So donating now for his birthday is a cool idea.

Here is the link again.

Race for Hope

ETA: For those posters that are new to idol this year, David Cook’s brother died of brain cancer in the early morning hours of the day that he was running in this charity race. He was the speaker that morning and his talk to the cancer survivors there was very moving. This video of that speech is still difficult for me to watch, but it might motivate more to get involved, so I’ll post it here.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PMAy3dJbEGQ

But what do you mean ‘trying to post’ ? lol

HA! I guess what I was trying to say was that the link didn’t work. Sorry about my wording there.

Adam Lambert’s album featured as gift idea by American Airlines magazine: http://bit.ly/7nHmJQ

MTV Out takes on Adam on Kris

http://newsroom.mtv.com/2009/12/18/adam-lambert-kris-allen-outtakes/

With all the polls that Adam fans are spamming, when do they sleep?

When do the Lamhurts (brilliant, dhunken!) sleep? As dhunken pointed out, Adam’s score is 62. Now, if it was just overinvested Adam fans spamming that poll, don’t you think that the score would be closer to 100?

ETA: It is kind of funny that people who don’t like Adam are actually giving him even more visibility (votes) in this poll…

There are many ordinary people that do all sorts of work that are never recognized for what they do like celebrities are. I have to admit though I still am happy that Adam is getting some recognition for his achievements. I don’t feel he is taking away from anyone else by getting some recognition.

There’s a difference, as the winner of AI is ‘the best singer out of the top 12′ ³ or out of those who auditioned,

Being the winner still doesn’t mean you were the best singer. It’s who older women (mostly in the southern states) identified with. I think AI should emphasize “America’s favorite singer” like they say “America’s favorite dancer” on SYTYCD.

I guess what I was trying to say was that the link didn’t work.

OH! Thanks for pointing that out! Let’s try that again:

Fox says Time Warner Cable may drop Fox TV shows

Polarizing is what he is and I know that Glamberts get picked on for being over invested but the Lamhurts (people who don’t like Adam and invest in trying to make him look bad. Yeah I made it up) I think are sadder. IMHO. I am not talking about people who just don’t like his music or singing or even him as a person I am more talking about the people who make it a mission to condemn or circumvent anything positive in regards to him. I am Not talking about anyone here.

SO TRUE! Lamhurts, lol!

I have NEVER taken time to go and vote against someone or go and rank an idol that I don’t care for. To me that is the definition of a waste of time.

No problem will. Looks like that one worked.

With all the polls that Adam fans are spamming, when do they sleep? While it’s typical for Idol fans to win polls like VH1 and the teen choice awards, Adam fans have branched into entirely new categories. It’s a good thing that the presidential elections were last year or Adam might be the write in winner of that poll too.

With all due respect Adam is more then just some singer from a tv show at this point, Thanks to ABC and even Ms Noonan using him as examples of moral deterioration. There are some who believe Adam important because of the politically charged issues of Gay civil rights. I wish it were not an issue but just for he fact it becomes a topic and his sexuality inevitably brought up he is important to many people in the country who feel they are being treated less then. I agree that the issues surrounding Adam that have brought to the table are far more important then he is but he is the Catalyst and therefore the object of importance. IMHO

Any fan board worth it’s name has instructions on how to defeat those one-vote-per-IP rules.

*raises hand* Well, I’ve been visiting DCO, TWoP and dc42 for the past 18 months or so (perhaps more) and I’ve never seen these instructions. That said, other than VH1, I came to realize very early on that voting on online polls is really kinda pointless and a complete waste of time. The results really only matter to other overinvested fans like you who spend countless hours voting on these things. Everyone else pretty much just peruses the results list with a smirk — or worse.

MTV Out takes on Adam on Kris

http://newsroom.mtv.com/2009/12/18/adam-lambert-kris-allen-outtakes/

Adam and Jim interview is funny as always…LOL at Kesha wanting to have glambabies with Adam!

I thought Jim had tweeted that he talked with Adam for a really long time—a little underwhelmed with the short video. Oh well.

When do the Lamhurts (brilliant, dhunken!) sleep? As dhunken pointed out, Adam’s score is 62. Now, if it was just overinvested Adam fans spamming that poll, don’t you think that the score would be closer to 100?

ETA: It is kind of funny that people who don’t like Adam are actually giving him even more visibility (votes) in this poll’ ¦

That proves the media and Barbara Walter are right, Adman is really fascinating. People, love him or hate him, do pay attention and invest time in him.

When do the Lamhurts (brilliant, dhunken!) sleep?

They probably don’t get much sleep either, but they only have to vote in the polls where they can vote against him. They can skip all the other polls because it would be futile to try to vote for everybody else in existence (as indicated by the success that Adam fans are having on countdown shows, internet polls, etc). That’s why voting against somebody on AI doesn’t work until there are only two or three contestants left.

Over invested fans are a way of life in the Idol world. After years of watching Idol fan groups, I thought I’d seen everything. I was wrong.

DC is going to whistle on his next cd???? I just heard that rumor. Can’t remember where I saw it. Omg. It will probably be his first single off DCTR2.

Listen, you Adam fans, you just don’t angst enough. You should take lessons from us Cook fans. We are the pro’s, the experts, the creme de la creme of angsters. ::Pats self on back with bitten nails::

Keel I’m starting to think us Cookie fans are too boring! No instructions on how to properly spam polls?! From my Claymate days getting around the ’1 vote per IP’ rule eventually became common knowledge LOL Ah back then the Claymates were the authority on all things spamming.

If there really are that many people who think that ‘Adam is a person that mattered’  this year, that’s kind of sad. There are people who are making a real difference in this world, but the fourth most ‘person that mattered’  is a guy who was on a karaoke contest and loudly declares to the world that he doesn’t want to make a difference (his response to ‘Out’ ). He just wants to entertain.

lol Did you look at the whole list? It’s MTV men of the year, not a Time magzine or Economist men of the year. All of the listed are entertainers.

Listen, you Adam fans, you just don’t angst enough.

LOL, maybe Adam fans don’t have to angst that much because there seems to be a lot of other people who do enough angsting about his doings and sayings

Over invested fans are a way of life in the Idol world. After years of watching Idol fan groups, I thought I’d seen everything. I was wrong.

Well at least its not dull But it also is not really that important. I see a lot of this like playing a game I love to play and love to win but in the end it is just a game. That is what on line polls are to me. The polls that matter are the ones when you get in a voting booth to vote for political candidates that effect ones life. Otherwize its just Uno and sometime you get a draw four.

Any fan board worth it’s name has instructions on how to defeat those one-vote-per-IP rules.

Well then, the three Adam boards I visit aren’t worth their name then. I’ve never seen anyone recommend changing your ip address.

Thank you wordnerdarchie for posting the links above regarding the Race for Hope, the brain cancer research charity that David Cook supports.

I fell for Cook the entertainer on AI, but truly fell for him completely when I heard his speech the day of the race when his brother died. so moving. My father died from a brain tumor, but he was so much older than David’s brother; I had hoped that Adam was going to have another remission, but instead heard the news from his very classy brother. Anyway, donating on Cookie’s b-day Sunday is on my to-do list.

BeckyMD
12/18/2009 at 6:58 pm

If there really are that many people who think that ‘Adam is a person that mattered’  this year, that’s kind of sad. There are people who are making a real difference in this world, but the fourth most ‘person that mattered’  is a guy who was on a karaoke contest and loudly declares to the world that he doesn’t want to make a difference (his response to ‘Out’ ). He just wants to entertain.

lol Did you look at the whole list? It’s MTV men of the year, not a Time magzine or Economist men of the year. All of the listed are entertainers.

no, i think she is actually talking about Time Magazines’ list, and this is the top 10 right now

1. neda agha-soltan
2. chesley sullenberger
3. barack obama
4. adam lambert
5. sonia sotomayor
6. alan mulally
7. rob pattinson and kristen stewart
8. dr. thomas frieden
9. olympia snowe
10. zhou xiaochuan

leeann
12/18/2009 at 6:30 pm

From twitter:

@AdamLambert on the Cover of EW’s 2009 Best & Worst Issue ‘“ http://bit.ly/6ANiHW (with scans!)

LOL when I first read this I thought he was the only person. Yes he is on there but so are about 50 other people. Love is blind.

lol Did you look at the whole list? It’s MTV men of the year, not a Time magzine or Economist men of the year. All of the listed are entertainers.

Yes I did look at the list. Did you? It is a Time Magazine poll and President Obama is on the list. Last time I checked, he is not generally classified as an entertainer.

I don’t really care if Adam wins some MTV poll. It’s when his fans start spamming Time “People who Matter” polls that I think they are taking things just a tad too far. It’s reaching ridiculous levels.

If you go back and read this thread, you will see that it is this quote that I’m responding to:

Adam is holding strong at No. 4 in the Time ‘People Who Mattered’  reader’s poll, and judging by the numbers, that is a one-vote-per-IP poll.

And no, I don’t think that crying wolf about ABC censoring a kiss they did not censor in order to distract from the off-key, stumbling, frantic performance you gave counts as making a difference in the world. I’ll save that credit for the people who actual care to put something on the line for gay rights (rather than publicly declare that they want nothing to do with it). For god sake, at least focus your grumbling on the network which actually did censor your kiss.

And that’s all I’m going to say on that subject.

I fell for Cook the entertainer on AI, but truly fell for him completely when I heard his speech the day of the race when his brother died. so moving. My father died from a brain tumor, but he was so much older than David’s brother; I had hoped that Adam was going to have another remission, but instead heard the news from his very classy brother. Anyway, donating on Cookie’s b-day Sunday is on my to-do list.

I felt the same way. That speech was…..no words I could come up with would do it justice. Just say I understand exactly what you mean

lol Did you look at the whole list? It’s MTV men of the year, not a Time magzine or Economist men of the year. All of the listed are entertainers.

You’re getting your reader’s polls confused here. The discussion was about the Time “People Who Mattered” poll, not the MTV one.

ETA: Oops, I now see that the MTV list isn’t a reader’s poll.

It’s when his fans start spamming Time ‘People who Matter’  polls that I think they are taking things just a tad too far.

But it was originally Time magazine that thought that Adam belongs to the list of “People who Matter”. I mean they did include him on their own list and gave good reasons for it.

And I actually do think that there are people on that list that are much more important than Adam but I also think that Adam has mattered quite a bit during this year, maybe more as a catalyst as dhunken said. (Hmm, now I just seem to repeat things that dhunken has said; I better stop now )

And before anybody asks, if Kris Allen was appearing on Time’s “People who Mattered” poll as one of the top 10, I would not that was ridiculous too. Until he does something that actually matters to the world, he doesn’t belong on the list.

That new David Cook album? The one where he whistles the national anthem with a syncopated R&B backtrack courtesy of Claude Kelly? It’s getting no promo. None. He’s doomed.

And that’s all I’m going to say on that subject.

I would not that was ridiculous too.

Oops, if you can’t tell from the context (and I can’t edit), obviously that was “I would think that was ridiculous too”.

But the this is probably just closing the barn door. I don’t think Kris belongs on the list. Period.

But it was originally Time magazine that thought that Adam belongs to the list of ‘People who Matter’ . I mean they did include him on their own list and gave good reasons for it.

That’s a very good point. I didn’t see any accusations that the editors of Time were Glamberts spamming their own list of “People Who Mattered” when he was included. Sure you may disagree with the selection, but you can’t just dismiss it as being from overinvested Idol fans.

That new David Cook album? The one where he whistles the national anthem with a syncopated R&B backtrack courtesy of Claude Kelly? It’s getting no promo. None. He’s doomed.

And on top of that did you hear Neal’s leaving Anthemic???

“I would think that was ridiculous too”

Its only ridiculous to people who don’t think Adam shouldn’t be on the list which makes it an opinion and not fact. Obviously, TIME thinks Adam matters which is why he was included. That is their opinion and their magazine. Personally, I really don’t see why it matters one way or the other. I mean seriously, who cares? How does it affect one’s life what list Adam’s name is on? lol I don’t get it.

I think the writer of the Time piece did an excellent job of explaining Adam’s inclusion in the list of People Who Mattered. (I really admire people who write so well and succintly.)

But for those who don’t accept Adam’s significance outside the entertainment world and, thus, have nothing else to say about it, he is also on Entertainment Weekly’s list of Entertainers of Year, Number 8. And MTV’s Men of the Year, Number 3.

But it was originally Time magazine that thought that Adam belongs to the list of ‘People who Matter’ . I mean they did include him on their own list and gave good reasons for it.

A point people are failing to bring up. The people that you are able to vote for are people that Time Magazine Editors decided should be on the list. This was not some list that Adam Fans arbitrarily started posting Adam name to. Time felt he was someone that mattered
Are Adam fans wrong than to say yes he is the person who matters the most to them.

I heard that Neal put his foot down when it came to the whistling. He said “Dave, no f**king puckering!” Plus Rob Cavello is slated to produce this one, too–what, you didn’t know that?–and you know what over-production does to a good clean whistle.

::walks off whistling to a syncopated beat::

as a person living outside the US, I can only say one thing – your discussions make me happy, because you break stereotypes about homophobic, racist and xenophobic Americans

And before anybody asks, if Kris Allen was appearing on Time’s ‘People who Mattered’  poll as one of the top 10, I would not that was ridiculous too. Until he does something that actually matters to the world, he doesn’t belong on the list.

Yeah, that. If Time magazine keeps it up, one of these days they’ll declare Lindsay Lohan “Person of the Year” instead of say, a world leader or somebody who actually did something substantial. On the grand world scale, none of the AI peeps matter in the least.

I don’t really care if Adam wins some MTV poll. It’s when his fans start spamming Time ‘People who Matter’  polls that I think they are taking things just a tad too far. It’s reaching ridiculous levels.

Time included Adam first. Once again, if it were Adam’s fans spamming the pole, he would be at 100%.

And before anybody asks, if Kris Allen was appearing on Time’s ‘People who Mattered’  poll as one of the top 10, I would not that was ridiculous too. Until he does something that actually matters to the world, he doesn’t belong on the list.

Time didn’t include Kris on the poll.
I think that Adam has been a “Person That Mattered” this year in many ways. Obviously Time magazine agrees with me.

Time included Adam first. Once again, if it were Adam’s fans spamming the pole, he would be at 100%.

I’m not getting the logic there.

Link to underwater mermish cell cast for tonight’s JingleBall in Orlando

Jason Castro is on now — Kris is supposed to be next

http://www.blogtv.com/people/kali1010

If you go back and read this thread, you will see that it is this quote that I’m responding to

sorry that I took it for granted that a comment under a quote was a response to that quote. Always learn something in this blog.

As for the Time list, I don’t even know what Adam has done to be listed in the poll to start with.

Time had a Person of the Year, five runners-up, and then 25 People Who Mattered (not ranked). Lindsay Lohan is not on any of the lists, much to her chagrin, I’m sure.

I have not yet read any specific arguments rebutting the reasons given for Adam’s inclusion as one of the 25 People Who Mattered (not Person of the Year or Runner-up) other than “none of the AI peeps matter in the least.” I find Time Magazine’s writer’s arguments for inclusion more compelling.

Yeah, that. If Time magazine keeps it up, one of these days they’ll declare Lindsay Lohan ‘Person of the Year’  instead of say, a world leader or somebody who actually did something substantial. On the grand world scale, none of the AI peeps matter in the least.

I beg to differ the money that Adam encouraged his fans to donate mattered to the children that benefited from those donation. The money raised by David Cook for cancer research I am sure has helped greatly and matters to many people that will benefit from that research. The mission work that Kris did mattered to the people he helped. Carrie Underwood recent $200,000 check donation to the school to help get instruments to the students mattered greatly to them….I could go on…The idols are more then the sum of the show they were on and are more then just singers. Adam being openly gay and performing to cheers by the audience matter to gay youths and adults who feel that they have someone they have as a roll model (whether you agree or not.) So the Idols do matter to many.

mj
12/18/2009 at 7:44 pm
Time included Adam first. Once again, if it were Adam’s fans spamming the pole, he would be at 100%.

I’m not getting the logic there.

The 100% thing, or what? Well, if it was only Adam fans spamming the poll, wouldn’t they give Adam a score of 100% or at least close to it? But at the moment the score is 62, which would indicate that there are also people who are voting closer to the other end of the scale (0%), and that would give the score of 62.

(0 % = not important at all, 100% = very important; or whatever definitions they use on that site)

So what’s up with Jesse McCartney….I have to LOL a bit(I mean PLEASE) from some of his comments. I do think it is great that he thinks Adam is amazing, but when he says he wants to help Adam find a “focus”, does he mean that he wants to help Adam do an album with one particular style/genre on it….So it ends up sounding like one of his crapy tweeny-pop albums filled with a bunch of garbage. To me and I think many others, the diverse eclectic range on Adams album is what makes it so good! If I was Adam and saw that interview, it would not make me want to work with the guy!

I am an Adam Lambert fan. I don’t appreciate the wide swath comment “over invested fan” constantly used to describe Adam’s fans. Who is anyone to determine what over invested is or means. It’s sour grapes, and narrow minded.

I know a 17 year old boy. His name is Trevor. Mostly at school… but not exclusively, he’s been ridiculed, spat on, his locker has been torn apart, he went from and A student to barely holding a C over the course of two years, he’s had parents exclude him from teen parties, his “father” (I use the term loosely) doesn’t have much to do with him (his parents are divorced), “friends” have abandoned him, and he’s been beaten up. Oh, and he’s gay.

Who treats other human being this way? It’s sickening and disgusting to watch hate and ignorance before your very eyes.

Studies show that gay teen suicide attempts are four times that of heterosexual youth. My beautiful, young, gay friend Trevor is a notch in that statistic.

I can tell you in no uncertain terms, ADAM LAMBERT HAS MATTERED to Trevor this year. Time Magazine recognizing that Adam has mattered this year, and the subsequent voting by fans and others in the READERS POLL is lovely… and gives me hope.

I think I voted 5 times for LLWD on the VH1 countdown website, then stopped because I felt silly. Voting once or twice is enough. I just don’t get this online spamming business or bulk buying of videos or CD’s. My son hates Kris Allen and all things Idol, and I sure as hell am not buying him a CD for Christmas just to force it on him because I wish Kris had better sales.

All these Idols, including Kris, who is my favorite, need to sink or swim on their own merits, not because rabid fan groups are artificially boosting the numbers. In the end, it proves nothing and helps no one.

Time included Adam first. Once again, if it were Adam’s fans spamming the pole, he would be at 100%.

I’m not getting the logic there.

MJ, when you vote on that poll, you rate the person you’re voting for on a scale of 1 “not important” to 100 “very important.” So the point being made is, if Adam’s fans were spamming the poll, his rating would not be at 62, which is what it currently is, but closer to or at 100.

mj
12/18/2009 at 7:44 pm
Time included Adam first. Once again, if it were Adam’s fans spamming the pole, he would be at 100%.

I’m not getting the logic there.

You go and vote from 0% to 100% on the site. Adam is currently at 60-something percent. If it were all fans of Adam’s, would the average be 60%? There are alot of other people voting on this pole besides Adam’s fans.

Oh, Winks8. I am so glad Adam has come along, too.

(On a waaayyy lighter note, although Lindsay Lohan has not been included on any end of the year lists I know about, she has tweeted that her “life mission” is to be in an Adam Lambert video – true.)

I heard that Neal put his foot down when it came to the whistling. He said ‘Dave, no f**king puckering!’ 

Oh absolutely, that was the final straw. First magic rainbows, then wind in his hair, now puckering. What kind of real rocker puckers for goodness sake? He’s off to join a Scandinavian Metal band. Andy is in trouble with the label, having never mastered whistling in third grade. I hear the album cover is going to feature Dave dressed up as Uncle Sam, holding an apple pie and kissing a baby. His rock cred is going to be destroyed.

I think I voted 5 times for LLWD on the VH1 countdown website, then stopped because I felt silly. Voting once or twice is enough. I just don’t get this online spamming business or bulk buying of videos or CD’s.

I’ve never voted for FYE on anything. I did vote for the concert to be held in New York. (for obvious reasons) I bought one cd.
Adam has received many accolades and appearances based on his own merit. His single continues to climb the charts and is album is doing well. Overinvested fans did not make his AMA, Oprah, SYTYCD FINAL show, etc. appearances happen. If all the good that is happening to Adam at this time is due to just his AI fans, I would think all the idols would love to have the same fans.

Kristen: And no, I don’t think that crying wolf about ABC censoring a kiss they did not censor in order to distract from the off-key, stumbling, frantic performance you gave counts as making a difference in the world.

Far from trying to “distract” from his performance, Adam has more than once said he knows it was not a stellar vocal. He has made fun of his “ninja roll” which he likened to a cockroach waving its legs around after being sprayed. His sense of humor is only surpassed by his honesty.

As for “crying wolf”– Adam pointed out the double standard after he was asked point blank what he’d think if the performance was censored. He gave a straightforward answer to a question.

Kristen: I’ll save that credit for the people who actual care to put something on the line for gay rights (rather than publicly declare that they want nothing to do with it).

Adam puts himself on the line every day of his life by being open and honest about who he is. His courage in doing so could have short-circuited his career even before it got off the ground. He chose to live openly as a gay man. He knows full well the possibilities of failure.

Also, He has never declared that he wants nothing to do with gay rights. Rather, he has stated that he does not want to be a spokesperson for the movement at this time, because he wants to concentrate on his career. I’d say that is his right. But he is not hiding who he is, he has stated publicly he might like to get married someday. He has stated publicly he might want to raise a child someday. That, I would say, is Adam making a statement that, while not overtly political, makes it pretty clear where he stands.

Kristen: And that’s all I’m going to say on that subject.

Okay.

MJ, when you vote on that poll, you rate the person you’re voting for on a scale of 1 ‘not important’  to 100 ‘very important.’  So the point being made is, if Adam’s fans were spamming the poll, his rating would not be at 62, which is what it currently is, but closer to or at 100.

I don’t follow this logic at all. There are obviously other people voting on the poll, because Adam is only at 4th, but that doesn’t mean because not everyone is voting for Adam that Adam fans aren’t still spamming the poll. The rating to me signifies that there are a lot of Adam fans voting for 100%, and probably everyone else voting is like,”Adam Lambert? Are you serious?” and giving him a low rating.

I personally wouldn’t even put Adam on Time’s list. The people on that list should be those who make a real difference in the world — the people who are trying to find cures for deadly diseases, work on civil/human rights issues, etc. Not entertainers — unless that entertainer has does something important outside of his field to bring change to the world.

I don’t think he’s done enough to be on the MTV or EW lists either, but at least it makes more sense for him to be on the entertainment-related polls.

But since this is another reader poll, it’s probably not worth making a big deal over.

I’ll save that credit for the people who actual care to put something on the line for gay rights (rather than publicly declare that they want nothing to do with it).

I do want to briefly respond to that: Adam has never said he wants “nothing to do with” gay rights. He said he doesn’t feel comfortable talking about politics because it isn’t his area of expertise, and that he doesn’t want to become a “spokesperson” for LGBT rights and have that take focus away from his music. But that’s very different than saying he wants nothing to do with it.

Tess
12/18/2009 at 3:33 pm
Not to be snarky and the Sun Bowl is a nice paying gig for Archie’ ¦but in 50 years of going to football games and holiday bowl games I can’t remember a single performing artist, nor did a performance ever drive me to buy an album. In fact half time was a great time to get up and stretch and buy another beer. And even the crowd watching at home in the comfort of their living rooms won’t be devoting much attention to Archie. It will be a nice gig for his fans’ ¦.the rest of the world, not so much.

I can’t even remember who played at the opening and closing of the Olympics I attended in Salt Lake in 2002. Sporting events and entertainment just don’t attrack the same crowds.

the name of the game is exposure and positioning… exposing your talent to thousands within the confines of the stadium, and potentially an audience of millions viewing outside of it… there will be people in the stadiums and watching at home who will have no clue who david archuleta is, so this is a prime opportunity for him to show that viewer exactly who he is, hahahah…. and if the performance is great, you betcha there are going to be people who will remember… and who may be compelled to do a little follow up on that guy i heard – on itunes or in the stores… exposure, exposure, exposure…..

david is garnering a rather nice resume and strong reputation for outstanding performances singing the national anthem and other patriotic songs at some pretty hi profile sporting events [pro bowl, us open], it positions him perhaps to snag what has been a dream of his, and one his fans hold dear – to one day sing at the olympic ceremonies… who knows, perhaps one day down the road he’ll sing the na at the super bowl… it is well within the realm of possibility… these gigs are not in vain, and are highly coveted, and those people who make the decisions regarding who will be selected to perform at these events are the ones whose memories ultimately matter most for the performer…

I don’t follow this logic at all. There are obviously other people voting on the poll, because Adam is only at 4th, but that doesn’t mean because not everyone is voting for Adam that Adam fans aren’t still spamming the poll. The rating to me signifies that there are a lot of Adam fans voting for 100%, and probably everyone else voting is like,’ Adam Lambert? Are you serious?’  and giving him a low rating.

Oy, we’re going to have get a statistician to weigh in here, I’m out of my depth. But I think you’re totally missing my point.

OF COURSE there are Idol fans, Glamberts, overinvested fans, whatever you want to call them, voting and rating Adam high on the scale. Why should they be disqualified from voting? Should Democrats be disqualified from giving Obama high ratings?

My point was that Adam fans aren’t “spamming” the poll and artificially skewing the results. That is apparent from the 62 rating. That’s all.

I’m actually more cynical about the Billboard Best album of the decade thing than I am about the Time People that Mattered thing. I think you can at least make a case, looking back on the year, that Adam ‘mattered’ in the sense of the cultural debate that he stirred, the controversy and censorship debate surrounding the AMA’s, his place as a role model to gay or ‘out there’ teens, and the money he generated for donors choose. The best album of the decade title just doesn’t have anything to back it up.

ETA: ….yet.

OF COURSE there are Idol fans, Glamberts, overinvested fans, whatever you want to call them, voting and rating Adam high on the scale.

My point was that Adam fans aren’t ‘spamming’  the poll and arificially skewing the results. That’s all.

It seems like you contradicted yourself there. If there are over invested fans going to Time Magazine’s website just to vote for Adam for person of the year, they are skewing the results. They are probably putting Adam at the top of their list, while most voters without some strange obsession for a reality show contestant are probably not putting Adam on their list at all.

I don’t follow this logic at all. There are obviously other people voting on the poll, because Adam is only at 4th, but that doesn’t mean because not everyone is voting for Adam that Adam fans aren’t still spamming the poll. The rating to me signifies that there are a lot of Adam fans voting for 100%, and probably everyone else voting is like,’ Adam Lambert? Are you serious?’  and giving him a low rating.

Well that would make sense if his score was say 78 but it 62 and he has about 2 times the amount of votes of anyone else. He has 24K next closest 13K. Which means statistically that for every 6 people voting him at 100 4 are voting 0 which basically means that it is not just casual voters voting against or for him. That means spamming is coming from both sides

“I personally wouldn’t even put Adam on Time’s list.”

It wasn’t readers who compiled the list it was Times’ editors/writers (then, if readers wanted to, they could rank them).

Did you read why he was included (it’s just a short article)? What point do you not agree with?

“unless that entertainer has does something important outside of his field to bring change to the world.”

Exactly. And they feel he did – did you read Wink8′s post?

Maybe people should first go and see how the Time poll works before they comment on it…

If there are over invested fans going to Time Magazine’s website just to vote for Adam for person of the year, they are skewing the results. They are probably putting Adam at the top of their list, while most voters without some strange obsession for a reality show contestant are probably not putting Adam on their list at all.

I just want to point out again that Time Magazine put him on the list to be voted on so fans voting for him are falling within the parameters that is allowed. I still think fans are just that fans and by definition vote positively for there Idol. I find it more disturbing that people are just as overly invested in giving him a bad score.

Whatever you may think of Adam’s AMA performance, the thing that stands out to me is that almost 4 weeks later people are still talking about it, and with the short attention span in the media, I believe that is a great thing. It is one of the few performances in 2009 that I will personally remember.

Look, if you want to, you could accuse fans of ANYONE — entertainer, politician, whoever — who vote for that person in an online poll of being “spammers.” But as long as they don’t vote multiple times, and that doesn’t appear to be happening to any great extent in this poll, then their vote is as legitimate as anyone else’s vote.

“just to vote for Adam for person of the year, they are skewing the results.”

Person of the Year has nothing to do with it. Person of the Year is selected by Times’ editors/writers. So are the five runners-up. So are 25 People Who Mattered (in alphabetical order). Then, if readers want to, they can then rank those 25 in order of importance TO THEM.

I can tell you in no uncertain terms, ADAM LAMBERT HAS MATTERED to Trevor this year. Time Magazine recognizing that Adam has mattered this year, and the subsequent voting by fans and others in the READERS POLL is lovely’ ¦ and gives me hope.

Here, here Wink!

Adam has mattered this year in terms of entertainment, in which he, arguably, was the best thing to come out of the cultural phenomenon, for better or worst, known as American Idol. He has mattered culturally because he has, whether he wanted to or not, become a catalyst for public discussion – over talent, black fingernails and eyeliner, choice and presentation of music, the AMA’s and yes, sexuality, censorship and morality.

But most importantly Adam has mattered this year precisely because of what Wink said. If he mattered to just one person like that – and I suspect there were many, many more, especially if you add in all the various types of (non-gay) ostricized and alienated kids who see life after their current bleak existance not possible, but probable because of Adam – one little poll in a newsmagazine is certainly worth it.

Isn’t it a little funny that people on an AI blog are upset over fans spamming poles. The show American Idol is built around voting as many times as possibe(in a two to four hour time period, over several weeks) so that one’s favorite can be declared the “best singer” of the season. How many “over-invested” fans sat and voted or texted the whole two to four hours? (sometimes on two phones and a computer)

I don’t appreciate the wide swath comment ‘over invested fan’  constantly used to describe Adam’s fans. Who is anyone to determine what over invested is or means. It’s sour grapes, and narrow minded.

Sorry, I know lots of other people have used this term but in case you were referring to my use of it, let me clarify. When I used the term overinvested fan who spam online polls, I wasn’t even remotely trying to suggest that only Adam Lambert fans are overinvested. I think ALL American Idols have a good swath of their fanbase filled with overinvested fans (yours truly included), which is why AI alums tend to dominate (or appear in a kind of WTF? way) a bunch of online polls. No biggie really.

I personally don’t think it’s any more ridiculous or out of line for Adam to appear in a bunch of these Best of 2009, People that Matter, etc. lists. than it was in any other year for any other Idol. The fact that he’s appearing in a Time mag list versus, say, just an EW or other entertainment focused list just has more to do (IMO) with the fact that the AMA controversy and the resulting backlash reached way beyond the bubble and the subject of gay rights is very topical right now. (I’m not saying his music has not penetrated outside the bubble to some extent, because it has, but I think the key to his relevance outside the bubble has more to do with AMAs/his sexuality than it is about his music.)

All these Idols, including Kris, who is my favorite, need to sink or swim on their own merits, not because rabid fan groups are artificially boosting the numbers. In the end, it proves nothing and helps no one.

Yeah I surposed so… esp. not good for the idols who might get overdosed on ego boost. One thing that did cross my mind (my very first instint to the whole thing) right after AMA and Adam’s initial reactions to all the criticisms was Adam had changed. He was no longer the humble guy I thought he was and I was very disappointed…

Trina
12/18/2009 at 6:58 pm
Keel I’m starting to think us Cookie fans are too boring! No instructions on how to properly spam polls?!

DCO had very good instructions on how to spam polls and vote more than the allotted number of times.
I was and still am a Cook fan and I was amazed at the organized fan efforts to get Cook to #1 on all the polls. Including the VH1 video thingy.

photo of Kris from tonight’s concert

http://twitpic.com/u3nf4

Person of the Year has nothing to do with it. Person of the Year is selected by Times’ editors/writers. So are the five runners-up. So are 25 People Who Mattered (in alphabetical order). Then, if readers want to, they can then rank those 25 in order of importance TO THEM.

So I said “person of the year” instead of “person who mattered most to them”. Don’t you think that is splitting hairs a bit? It doesn’t negate anything in my post

Hello…My name is Kanadie…and I am an overinvested fan..and proud of it!

Complaining about Adam fans supporting Adam is silly. Really it is! That is what fans do. They support their favorite. And Idol promotes that with how it sets up its voting. As long as they are not spamming radio stations, these polls and such don’t hurt Adam but raise his profile, which increases the chance of people who don’t know him checking him out. It’s not his fans that made his album and song jump leaps and bounds after his Finale appearance on SYTYCD. And the anti-adam’s spam hard too. They do it on principal.

But as for the time mag thing, as surprised as i was to see it, I think Adam has mattered. I think because of Adam, you have a character like Kurt on Glee. Because of him, the Wall Street journal has an editorial about the cultural and social compass of America. That is pretty impressive for someone who was a contestant on a game show.

Hello’ ¦My name is Kanadie’ ¦and I am an overinvested fan..and proud of it!

LOL Hello, here another overinvested fan!

I find it kind of ironic that people are so riled up about “overinvested” fans on an AI blog. I would think every person commenting on this blog is an overinvested fan to some degree…

I also think Adam Mattered because his parents Mattered. They loved and supported that crazy kid (and I’ll bet he was, too) for all he WAS WORTH and thus let him know, feel, and experience his own WORTH to steel him for those in the world who would attack it, just as Wink8 describes.

Adam talks about his dad speaking to him like a coach, telling him he was going to be okay, that he’d win in the end, that he was more than okay.

When Adam’s mother went on the 20/20 interview with Adam and talked about how she Adam talked about his sexuality, I WOULD BET MONEY there were members of the viewing audience who were parents wondering if maybe their child were gay, looking for “advice.” The Lamberts’ non-message message was loud and clear: Just keep loving them, maybe love them just a little more.

That was like a powerful public service announcement.

And the result is a young man who could probably duck the sexuality questions and be HUGE makes the decision to try follow his dream without hiding that he’s gay.

It might not matter to you. It really does to me.

I find it kind of ironic that people are so riled up about ‘overinvested’  fans on an AI blog. I would think every person commenting on this blog is an overinvested fan to some degree’ ¦

But I would never buy multiple copies of one person’s album, make my twitter account a shrine to my favorite idol, spend time voting over and over for my favorite in Billboards album of the decade because I understand no idol deserves that, and I would never rank my idol as one of the important people of the year, because none of them deserve that. I may be over invested to a degree, but I can certainly criticize those who are overinvested to 360 degrees.

DCO had very good instructions on how to spam polls and vote more than the allotted number of times.
I was and still am a Cook fan and I was amazed at the organized fan efforts to get Cook to #1 on all the polls. Including the VH1 video thingy.

There were instructions on how to get around the one vote per IP address thingy? How’d I miss that? (BTW, I don’t think the VH1 video thing had a one vote per IP address rule. Otherwise, why would it have a “vote again” button right after you vote? In addition, I’m pretty sure the VH1 thing isn’t purely all about the votes (as some Archies could attest). I believe the VH1 countdown placements are based on a mix of votes and the song’s position on the overall HAC airplay charts.)

As for those threads exhorting fans to vote, vote, vote, for one meaningless poll after another, man did those get old really fast! And I keep on running into the same damn people on Twitter. Seriously people, time to let it go (talking to DC fans here, not anyone else). It’s been over 18 months!

I may be over invested to a degree, but I can certainly criticize those who are overinvested to 360 degrees.

Yes, that is your right. I guess I’m of the opinion that if if doesn’t hurt me or anyone else, let other people do what they want. It’s much easier for my own peace of mind.

hmmmm… she is or was a stanford provost or something like that… and she is an accomplished pianist in her own right… hope she enjoys david a and the halftime show

Sun Bowl Confirms: Former Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice will attend Sun Bowl in El Paso, may have special appearance at game.
about 1 hour ago from web

http://twitter.com/ElPaso411

He has 24K next closest 13K. Which means statistically that for every 6 people voting him at 100 4 are voting 0 which basically means that it is not just casual voters voting against or for him.

But the poll goes from 0 for not interesting to 100 for interesting, it is basically a yes or no poll, because it makes no sense to vote someone 80% not interesting. I think the majority of Time readers would say Adam is not interesting, because I don’t think his accomplishments stack up to many others on that list.

I am an Adam Lambert fan. I don’t appreciate the wide swath comment ‘over invested fan’  constantly used to describe Adam’s fans.

Just to be clear, all Adam Lambert fans are not over invested. I would never claim they are. There are crazies in all fan groups (a claim I have made for going on 4 years on this blog). It’s just that some of the Adam fans who are over invested are bringing over invested to a new level this year.

But it was originally Time magazine that thought that Adam belongs to the list of ‘People who Matter’ .

Well, I think it’s ridiculous they put him on the list too.

I can tell you in no uncertain terms, ADAM LAMBERT HAS MATTERED to Trevor this year. Time Magazine recognizing that Adam has mattered this year, and the subsequent voting by fans and others in the READERS POLL is lovely’ ¦ and gives me hope.

You know, as somebody who suffered the same abuse as Trevor for having a relative that was gay, I totally sympathize with him. It’s nice that Adam Lambert matters to him personally. It’s great that he’s find a role model that means something to him.

BUT, I don’t get why some people is acting like Adam is the first gay person on TV and Idol is getting lauded for having him on. That’s like declaring a man a hero because he stopped beating his wife. It’s nice and all that he stopped beating his wife, but he’s hardly a hero and should never beat her in the first place (AI is the man in this case, not Adam. He is representative of the wife in this metaphor).

That it took 8 seasons for Idol to have a semi-openly gay contestant (they certainly were coy with that labelling his boy-friend a “friend”) is ridiculous. The homophobic banter they featured for their first 7 years was awful. The show sucks when it comes to gay rights. I cannot think of a single competition reality show that hasn’t had numerous, fully open gay contestants for years. From big-daddy reality show Survivor whose first winner was an openly gay man, to project runway, to Dancing with the Stars, to almost every season of the Emmy Award winning The Amazing Race. Lots of various role models to be had.

It’s a testament to the AI spin doctors that they are getting credits instead of having brick-bats thrown at them for the last 7 years.

To paraphrase Sally Ride, equality is reached when nobody cares that you are the first whatever. The other reality shows have quietly featured gay contestants and treated them like everybody else. Kudos to them. Idol sucks for their treatment of gays and their “Paul on the road to Damascus” moment rings hollow. IMO.

So, I think Time is whacked for falling for this spin.

But, then I thought they were whack when they made George W. Bush man of the year the year he first got elected. Let him doing something first, Time and then nominate him. If the other guy had won, he would have been man of the year, too. So, basically, a bunch of pregnant chads decided it for you. Let somebody do something that matters, first.

“I would never rank my idol as one of the important people of the year,.”

No fan did that. It was “25 People Who Mattered,” the Editors selected them for the reasons no one else seems to want to talk about, THEN readers ranked them.

Billboard’s Readers’ Poll: 10 Best Albums 2008

http://www.biilboard.com/bbcom/yearend/2008/news/readers-poll.shtml

1. Britney Spears
2. David Archuleta
3. David Cook

Needless to say, none of the above albums made the critics’ List of the 10 Best of 2008

http://www.biilboard.com/bbcom/yearend/2008/news/10-Best-Albums-10.shtml

Oh, those wacky overinvested fans …

“I haven’t read the article.”

‘I would never rank my idol as one of the important people of the year,.’ 

No fan did that. It was ’25 People Who Mattered,’  the Editors selected them for the reasons no one else seems to want to talk about, THEN readers ranked them.

Can you just enlighten me between the difference between important person of the year and person who mattered that year? It seems like it would be the same thing. If the reader ranks Adam high are they not saying he was an important person that year?

But the poll goes from 0 for not interesting to 100 for interesting, it is basically a yes or no poll, because it makes no sense to vote someone 80% not interesting.

Oh, I guess I didn’t understand that. I voted (once) and my ratings for various people ranged from 20 to 95% (yeah, I couldn’t give 100% to anyone, sorry).

Adam talks about his dad speaking to him like a coach, telling him he was going to be okay, that he’d win in the end, that he was more than okay.

When Adam’s mother went on the 20/20 intervie