American Idol Headlines for 12/13/10

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Crystal Bowrsox is in New York to promote her album Farmer’s Daughter set to drop on Tuesday, Dec. 14. Via @GinaOrr:

  • In our free time Monday @crystalbowersox performs at CitySights NY’s Toy Drive
  • Tomorrow afternoon @crystalbowersox will be taping an interview for NPR’s @hereandnow…not sure when it will air yet
  • Tomorrow @crystalbowersox is gonna hang with @jambajim!

Plus, Gina says Crystal’s music video for “Farmer’s Daughter” finished last night. It should be online soon.

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Today’s Idol Appearances:

  • Lee DeWyze and Kris Allen perform at the ‘Nelson, Terry & Stacey Christmas Show’ (The Buzz 105.1) in Portland, OR
  • David Archuleta performs at the Star 94.1 Acoustic Jingle Ball in San Diego, CA.
  • Crystal Bowersox performs on Live with Regis and Kelly
  • Crystal Bowersox performs at CitySights Toy Drive, 12 Noon in NYC. More info HERE.
  • Bo Bice will be at “Christmas 4 Kids” Bus Show Artist Meet & Greet at the Wal-Mart in Hendersonville TN
  • Kimberley Locke performs at the Dakota Jazz Club, Minneapolis, MN

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More Headlines after the JUMP…

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Crystal Bowersox balances expression and expectations on debut album

“I love roots music and country music and classic rock and blues,” she says. “I love old-school funk. Listening to Farmer’s Daughter, you can hear all those things. I wanted that to be evident. Pop music is okay. It’s good, but it’s not really what moves me.”

For Crystal, even the sequencing of songs tells a story.

“The way that I like to see it, in the order the songs are in, the first song is basically a good way to come into the album and introduce people and say, ‘Hey, I’m here to do music my way and hopefully you like it,’” she says.

“Then the second song is the Buffalo Springfield cover [For What It's Worth]. Stephen Stills is an amazing writer. I love that song. It’s timeless, no matter what time period you’re in. It’s a song that crosses generations.

Read more at USA Today

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Adam Lambert Behind the Scenes – Y100 Jingle Ball

Via Videosupremephoto

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First Night St. Petersburg

St. Petersburg’s family-friendly, alcohol-free celebration has upped the entertainment quotient this year with the addition of American Idol finalist and hometown favorite Michael Lynche. Other featured acts this year include Have Gun Will Travel, Joe Hall and the Louisiana Cane Cutters and Fred Johnson will be performing with the Tampa Bay Steel Orchestra.

FirstKids, the popular venue for children’s activities and entertainment, will be held at Baywalk. It begins at 5 p.m. and concludes with a procession to the Bubble Stomp on Bayshore Drive at 8:30.

Read more at Tampa Bay.com

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Katharine McPhee revives Billy Squier ’80s holiday tune

Katharine McPhee says she’d never heard Billy Squier’s Christmas Is the Time to Say I Love You before she started looking for songs for a Christmas project.

Squier introduced the song on an MTV Christmas special in 1981 — the cable channel’s first year of existence and three years before the former American Idol runner-up was born.

“I didn’t know the song at all,” Katharine says in a USA TODAY article on women who’ve released holiday albums this year. She adds that her music director, Doug Petty, played the song for her on YouTube. “I was, like, ‘Wow, that was a long time ago.’”

Read more at USA Today

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Adam Lambert wins two German CMA awards: Best International Single for “Whataya Want From Me” and Best International Artist with Shakira.

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Adam Lambert Talk Asia Promo

via naporu27

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‘Idol’ Siobhan Mangus is still a scream

Not a random pairing, Magnus’ uncle, Alan Ware, is URO’s co-founder and drummer. Yet far from a case of rock ’n’ roll nepotism, the tag team of talents seems meant to be.

Magnus was often mocked for her histrionic screams on “Idol.” Simon Cowell told the Bay Stater after her performance of Shania Twain’s “Any Man of Mine” that “it was almost like you were giving birth up there.” But over-the-top vocals are absolute requisites when you do Queen, Led Zeppelin and other URO favorite artists.

Read more at the Boston Herald

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Adam Lambert: Home, Sweet Home

Capping off a travel intensive weekend, Adam Lambert was spotted arriving on a flight at LAX Airport in Los Angeles on Sunday (December 12).

Clad in a black and white skull-face t-shirt with black jeans and a matching winter cap, the “American Idol” alum strolled through the terminal while tweeting to his millions of followers, “Good to be home.”

See the photos at Celebrity-Gossip

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Elliott Yamin tweets, “Just wrapped up a 12 hour photo shoot!…now,on my way 2 the studio 2 tighten this last track,and I just saw a fallin star..I made a wish”

Photoshoot 2day 4 my album release in japan…its been an eventful day 2day…will xplain later!

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Entertainment Tonight: American idol promo feat. Taylor Hicks and Carrie Underwood

Via TaylorHicksNews

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More ‘Glee’ For Gwyneth!

Gwyneth Paltrow is coming back for more “Glee.”

The Oscar winner will reprise her role as McKinley High’s favorite substitute teacher, Holly Holiday, for a second episode, Gwyneth revealed to Access Hollywood on Sunday during the press junket for her new film, “Country Strong.”

No word on when her second episode will be taped or air.

Read more at Access Hollywood

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Lea Michele: Hollywood Style Awards with Chris Colfer!

Lea Michele graces the red carpet of the 2010 Hollywood Style Awards held at the Hammer Museum on Sunday (December 12) in Westwood, Calif.

The 24-year-old Glee actress shared a laugh with her co-star Chris Colfer while bumping into him at the awards.

See the photos at Just Jared

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Behind Dianna’s firing spree

Sources say the real reason “Glee” star Dianna Agron dumped her management team is because her boyfriend, actor Alex Pettyfer, told her to. We reported last week that Agron, who plays pretty cheerleader Quinn Fabray on the Fox comedy, fired her manager, Lena Roklin, her agent, Leslie Siebert at the Gersh Agency, and her lawyer, Dave Feldman, because she was unhappy about her career’s direction. But we hear she’s now signed with Pettyfer’s agent, William Morris Endeavor’s Thor Bradwell, and his lawyer, Steve Warren.

Read more at the New York Post

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Cola War Over New Simon Cowell ‘X Factor’

EXCLUSIVE & UPDATED: Obviously all those scandals affecting the UK version of his The X Factor talent show hasn’t scared away advertisers for the American version which debuts on Fox in Fall 2011. Now I’ve learned that a Cola War has kicked off. There’s a $50 million to $100 million auction going on right now between Coke and Pepsi for sponsorship of Cowell’s U.S. version of The X Factor.

Read more at Deadline

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The X Factor’s other verdict: Simon Cowell’s control has its limits

Though Simon Cowell remains the richest and most powerful figure in British television, he again suffered the irritation of public defiance last night. In the final of the seventh series of The X Factor, the tycoon’s favoured act – boy band One Direction – was dropped into third place by the telephone voting. In the resulting sing-off, Matt Cardle, a 27-year-old painter-decorator from Essex, beat 24-year-old Liverpudlian single mother Rebecca Ferguson.

Both regularly described by the judges as among the “nicest contestants The X Factor has ever had”, Cardle and Ferguson suffered repeated and visible bouts of insecurity during the 10-week contest and will be marketed as an answer to the charge that the programme encourages slick, ambitious pop wannabes.

Read more at the Guardian

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There’s only One Direction for Simon Cowell… Sandy Lane, with fiancée Mezhgan Hussainy

His act One Direction might have fallen at the last hurdle on The X Factor final last night, but that didn’t stop judge Simon Cowell looking like the cat that got the cream as he left the television studios with fiancée Mezhgan Hussainy.

The 51-year-old smiled widely for photographers as he was photographed getting into a car with his stunning 37-year-old girlfriend and heading home after a long night.

And it’s no wonder his grin continued as the pair pulled out of the studios, as make-up artist Mezhgan looked stunning in a flattering grey silk dress and matching pashmina.

Cowell must also be looking forward to his Christmas away with Mezhgan in Sandy Lane in Barbabos – the exclusive hotel resort where he has spent the past five Christmases.

Read more at The Daily Mail

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AFI Awards 2010 announced

An eclectic mixture of feature films was selected Sunday for the American Film Institutes’s AFI Awards 2010, the organization’s almanac that records the year’s most outstanding achievements in film, TV and other forms of the moving arts.

Read more at the LA Times

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Will Cowell’s ‘evil genius’ turn ‘X-Factor’ into the new ‘American Idol?’

A record audience of nearly 20 million British viewers flocked to the “X Factor’s” Sunday night finale, which awarded a $1.6 million recording contract to painter Matt Cardle, heretofore unknown beyond his immediate circle of friends.

The British experience suggests the headline-grabbing, rags-to-riches show may be a smash in the United States when it debuts next year, even if it’s got some strong similarities to the popular but waning “American Idol.”

Cardle launched the first day of his new life Monday, embarking on a publicity blitz to try to drive his debut single, “When We Collide,” to become No. 1 on the British Christmas charts. That lucrative spot has in recent years tended to go to the X Factor winner, but last year went instead to Rage Against the Machine, boosted by an anti-X Factor, anti-Cowell movement on Facebook.

Read more4 at Associated Press

 
  • koshka

    Nice promo for Crystal! Good luck this week Crystal!

  • lovingadam
  • fuzzywuzzy

    Crystal is performing on a DD bus? Cool! Will the bus be travelling around the city? Has this been done before?

  • loveroftalent

    I just read on Twitter that Adam also won the CMA award for best international single for WWFM.

  • koshka

    CMA award

    what does CMA stand for other than “Country Music Award”?

  • loveroftalent

    what does CMA stand for other than “Country Music Award”?

    haha for sure not country. I’m not sure what CMA stands for. WANjK 2010 CMA Wild and Young awards.

  • koshka

    Elliott Yamin tweets, “Just wrapped up a 12 hour photo shoot!…now,on my way 2 the studio 2 tighten this last track,and I just saw a fallin star..I made a wish”

    I’m not a huge Elliott fan, but he has some real talent. I’m so happy he continues to work.

    loveroftalent – thanks.

  • soverymel

    Adam at the Susanne Bartsch toy drive.

    http://tieba.baidu.com/f?kz=954167282

    Short article about the drive if you’re curious.

    http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2010/12/david_barton.html?mid=partnerfeed

  • http://twitter.com/kenostroff negativo

    All good things happening for Crystal. Looking forward to that NPR “All Things Considered” interview…pretty cool.

  • GreatAdamFan

    “Beste Single International” mit 56% “Whataya Want From Me” von Adam Lambert – Congrats!

    Google translate: International Best Single “at 56%” Whataya Want From Me “by Adam Lambert – Congrats!

    Adam Lambert und Shakira sind die besten Künstler International. Congrats!

    Google translate: Adam Lambert and Shakira are the best artists International. Congrats!

    How exciting it is to have Adam won the 2 German CMA awards as above! Source

  • CindyM

    Promo for Adams CNN Asia interview airing 12//15

    napo1127 I uploaded a YouTube video — Adam Lambert Talk Asia CM http://youtu.be/aILdy6w4RpQ?a
    20 minutes ago

  • jpfan

    Elliott looks by the picture to be going in a more adult direction for the album which makes me happy. Trying for Top 40 hits is brutal for white guys doing R&B.

    I don’t usually check out the Adam pics but that looks like one hell of a toy drive party. ;)

  • GreatAdamFan

    Glad that Adam gets to go back home after his amazing adventures abroad. He appeared not too pleased to have his pics taken after his flight though lol! ;)

  • sr4mjc

    Between Marc Jacobs, Calvin Klein, Phillipe Blond, Narcisco Rodriguez, etc.. I hope there was some Grammy red carpet outfit talk going on at the toy drive party. And can I just say, Phillipe Blond is stunning in that photo!

  • jpfan

    Is the blonde Phillipe Blond (whoever that is)?

  • fuzzywuzzy

    Crystal sounded great on R&K, but the song was really shortened. Weird.

  • sr4mjc

    Is the blonde Phillipe Blond (whoever that is)? I just thought Susanne Bartsch has really changed.

    Yeah that’s him. He’s half of the design team ‘The Blonds’, Phillipe and David Blonde. They did Gaga’s Papparazzi outfit, dress Beyonce, Miley, Fergie, Katy etc.

  • bridgette12

    sr4mjc:
    12/13/2010 at 10:17 am
    Between Marc Jacobs, Calvin Klein, Phillipe Blond, Narcisco Rodriguez, etc.. I hope there was some Grammy red carpet outfit talk going on at the toy drive party. And can I just say, Phillipe Blond is stunning in that photo!

    Oh, two of my favorite designers, Marc Jacobs and Calvin Klein are great. I hope with all of those designers at that party, maybe Adam is going to get some help for the Grammys.

  • FREIDAG

    Adam looks mega-hot in those toy drive pics!

    Yeah that’s him. He’s half of the design team ‘The Blondes’, Phillipe and David Blonde.

    Didn’t The Blondes design Adam’s infamous and dangerous (lol) “claw” glove at New York’s fashion week last year?

  • apal123

    just saw Crystal on R&K. Not being familiar with the song I couldn’t tell if it was edited oddly. I do have to say that that is one of the most depressing songs I’ve heard in a long time. I realize from reading here that this is a very personal theme and statement for Crystal. But it almost seems too personal and it makes me feel kind of creepy for intruding into her past experiences.

  • sr4mjc

    Didn’t The Blondes design Adam’s infamous and dangerous (lol) “claw” glove at New York’s fashion week last year?

    Yep!

    i will however laugh my ass off at Tommy’s pants down in the airport. WTF? LOL

    http://twitpic.com/3flnxv

  • lorismile

    I can’t wait to see the CNN Asia interview with Adam. :-)

    Isaac takes really nice photos. He could be a photographer I think.

    And I think he looked pretty good at the toy drive too. ;-) Hopefully he brought some decent toys to the event.

  • bridgette12

    sr4mjc:
    12/13/2010 at 11:08 am
    i will however laugh my ass off at Tommy’s pants down in the airport. WTF? LOL

    http://twitpic.com/3flnx

    Can I say just how much I hate that picture. Come on Tommy, pull up your pants, don’t you feel that breeze.

  • Tess

    Come on Tommy, pull up your pants, don’t you feel that breeze.

    It seems that you can never take the “kid” out of the man. I am sure the picture was posed and distributed just to get a reaction. I think “oooh gross” humor is a staple for boys of all ages.

  • sr4mjc

    It seems that you can never take the “kid” out of the man. I am sure the picture was posed and distributed just to get a reaction. I think “oooh gross” humor is a staple for boys of all ages.

    It’s true, it never gets old for them. Brooke and Tommy already mooned the paps, what’s a little pants on the ground in the airport? ok, brooke’s a girl, but whatever. i’m sure they are all punch drunk at this point and being silly.

  • Mary102

    Glad that Adam gets to go back home after his amazing adventures abroad. He appeared not too pleased to have his pics taken after his flight though lol!

    Yeah, while he looked hot there, and I’m of course a total hypocrite for looking at those pics, he looked like he really just wanted to be left alone. Poor guy. I can’t imagine how exhausted he is now after everything.

  • Indigobunting

    Glad the promo is picking up for Crystal.

    I really enjoyed the R&K version also of FD. She sounded good; I bet she is good live.

    I hope she has a decent debut week. It will be interesting to see if AAA plays FD. These seem like times where depressing songs don’t get played on radio.

  • CindyM

    http://www.npr.org/blogs/therecord/2010/12/13/131968651/the-100-biggest-songs-of-2010-drinking-dancing-and-da-club

    Interesting article about pop music and trends for 2011. Whataya Want From Me and Live Like We’re Dying are mentioned…

    Rock is struggling. Of the eight songs on the top 100 that could reasonably be classified as rock tunes, most are mid-tempo heartstring-tuggers. Train’s “Hey Soul Sister,” Kings of Leon’s “Use Somebody,” The Script’s “Breakeven, Kris Allen’s “Live Like We’re Dying” (which, hey, was originally recorded by The Script), Paramore’s “The Only Exception” and Daughtry’s “Life After You” could all qualify as soft rock. That the exceptions — Neon Trees’ “Animal” and Maroon 5′s “Misery” — were at home on radio stations that played Ke$ha and Katy Perry all year suggests that when pop fans want rock to, you know, rock, they want it to sound like pop. Add in songs that showcase rock-type virtuosity, like Adam Lambert’s “Whataya Want From Me” and Orianthi’s “According To You,” and you get an idea of where the genre might be headed in 2011.

  • Indigobunting

    We are in the era of 1970s Disco type songs redux, IMO.

  • sr4mjc

    ^thanks for posting CindyM. I put it in the numbers thread but wasn’t sure it it was numbers or headlines related. mj, please delete if it’s more appropriate here.

  • cwm

    OMG that picture of Tommy Joe Ratliff at the airport with his pants down is hilarious and ridiculous. And Isaac is a hoot for taking the picture and posting it. My favorite comment under the picture:

    7SecondsofNoise So many questions……Most importantly, why do I never see things like this at the airport? LOLOL :D

  • koshka

    Indigobunting:
    12/13/2010 at 12:21 pm
    We are in the era of 1970s Disco type songs redux, IMO.

    LOL well.. when times get tough.. people want to party. I hope you all invested in alcohol & tabacco companies 3 years ago.

  • tinawina

    NPR is another good piece of promo for Crystal. This has been a decent promo week, the only things missing are a morning show tomorrow and Vh1 this weekend, but I bet they are saving Vh1 for the single/video launch in January.

    LOL well.. when times get tough.. people want to party.

    And in the 90′s, when the economy was flush, everyone was all angsty. LOL

  • lorismile

    ndsofNoise So many questions……Most importantly, why do I never see things like this at the airport?

    Honestly – if I saw that an airport I’d probably be saying..”Can’t he pull up his pants. Jees.” LOL

    Why does the name Gina Orr sound familiar? Was she Kris’s assistant?

  • CindyM

    Gina Orr worked with Kris and Allison at 19m. Part is the management team for publicity.

  • Indigobunting

    LOL well.. when times get tough.. people want to party. I hope you all invested in alcohol & tabacco companies 3 years ago.

    And in the 90’s, when the economy was flush, everyone was all angsty. LOL

    Yes! Oh, so true. I guess Art thinks it is its job to even out our nation’s temperament, lol!

  • http://myspace.com/girlgeek mj

    Reminder:

    Please don’t bait fellow posters. Just so you know, even old-timers won’t escape moderation.

    If you have no interest in the show and are just hanging around to condescend and poke? It’s time for you to move on.

  • smeggingnuts

    Very short interview of Adam from Miami JB
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SspHye2AS20&feature=player_embedded

  • car

    Congrats to Adam for his two 1st place German CMA awards.

    He took 2nd place on the third award for Best International video. 1st place for that one went to Closer to the Edge by 30 seconds to Mars. Great showing for Adam.

  • lorismile

    CindyM:
    12/13/2010 at 1:35 pm
    Gina Orr worked with Kris and Allison at 19m. Part is the management team for publicity.

    Thanks! I knew her name sounded familiar.

  • Valentin432

    But while “American Idol” is driven by compelling musical performances and snarky comments from judges, “X Factor” has an over-the-top schmaltz quality. Garish production numbers, complete with sexy but often bizarre dancers, back up the contestants, some of whom croak like frogs.

    That’s a fair assessent of both shows lol. It would be hilarious if AI be comes the “artistic” alternative after the X factor lands in the US.

  • CindyM

    Just saw a television commercial for Crystal’s album on the Oxygen channel. Showed her singing and said “featuring “Hold On” and also featuring the heartfelt title song “Farmer’s Daughter”. It was a nice commercial.

  • cwm

    car — Thanks for the info about Adam’s CMA awards out of Germany. Great news for him!

  • sr4mjc

    With the Top 40 airplay right now, even Kelly’s ‘Because of You’ would have a hard time becoming a hit today. Ballads have a tough time right now.

  • loveroftalent

    Congrats to Adam for his two 1st place German CMA awards.

    He took 2nd place on the third award for Best International video. 1st place for that one went to Closer to the Edge by 30 seconds to Mars. Great showing for Adam.

    Thanks car!!!Nice to know about the 2nd place finish also.

  • tripp_ncwy

    Lee’s SS has one manual Hot AC add so far today

    Rank #47 WRMF-FM West Palm Beach

  • sma11ie

    With the Top 40 airplay right now, even Kelly’s ‘Because of You’ would have a hard time becoming a hit today. Ballads have a tough time right now.

    Already Gone did really well on pop, right? But yeah, I can hardly think of any ballads that got top spins on Top40 since Already Gone.

  • CindyM

    VH-1 is going to feature various artists on their Posted series for December. Adam is one of them.

    http://blog.vh1.com/2010-12-13/nicki-minaj-adam-lambert-vh1-posted-holidays/

  • http://www.twilightslo.com Mateja

    Sales of Take That’s album “Progress” increased 68% after their yesterday’s X Factor performance.

    TAKE THAT – PROGRESS
    5 x Platinum Certification (Album) Friday, December 10, 2010
    UNIVERSAL MUSIC (POLYDOR)
    Released Monday, November 15, 2010

  • lorismile

    Ohhh that was a cute flirty interview of Adam and the guy at Y100. :-)

    VH-1 is going to feature various artists on their Posted series for December. Adam is one of them.

    That’s awesome! His mgmt does a great job of keeping his name out there. Can’t wait to see his updates.

  • pineappletree

    I wish Adam wasn’t promoting this video…there are kids in this.. promoting hate with hate…ugh

    eta: video contains very strong language

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CjFafCR6FOI&feature=player_embedded

  • http://mjsbigblog.com/luvadamlamberts-american-idol-tour-2009-washington-dc-re-cap.htm luvadamlambert

    yesssssss im so excited for more gwyneth!!!!
    LOVE both the adam interviews-the zebra pants till rock :)

    CONGRATULATIONS ON THE AWARDS!!! YOU DESERVE THEM ADAM!

  • koshka

    I wish Adam wasn’t promoting this video…there are kids in this.. promoting hate with hate…ugh

    Yeah I squinted a bit when the under 10 crowd were cursing.. but I thought it was fcking funny. LOL

  • http://mjsbigblog.com/luvadamlamberts-american-idol-tour-2009-washington-dc-re-cap.htm luvadamlambert

    i think the video was ok–funny at least :)
    except for the little girl >.<

  • pineappletree

    It’s the use of the kids that makes it bad. Take them out then it’s a whole different story.

  • soverymel

    JFC kids are killing themselves. If what it takes to wake some people up and start a conversation is a little girl saying fuck, then I have zero problem with it.

  • CindyM

    Nice little interview with Crystal. Another reference to “country” in her own words:

    http://content.usatoday.com/communities/idolchatter/post/2010/12/crystal-bowersox-balances-expression-and-expectations-on-debut-album/1

    “I love roots music and country music and classic rock and blues,” she says. “I love old-school funk. Listening to Farmer’s Daughter, you can hear all those things.

    Interesting to see why she structured the song order on the album.

  • CindyM

    pineappletree:
    12/13/2010 at 4:14 pm

    It’s the use of the kids that makes it bad. Take them out then it’s a whole different story.

    It’s kids and young adults that are being bullied the most. It’s more upsetting to me that anti-bullying videos have to be made in the first place than the use of a curse word.

    soverymel:
    12/13/2010 at 4:21 pm

    JFC kids are killing themselves. If what it takes to wake some people up and start a conversation is a little girl saying fuck, then I have zero problem with it.

    I totally agree. There’s nothing in that video that’s uglier than the hate, violence and language used against gay kids that the video is trying to bring attention to.

  • pineappletree

    If what it takes to wake some people up and start a conversation is a little girl saying fuck, then I have zero problem with it.

    She said worse things than just the f@ck word. I think it is horrible to use 8 yr old kids as pawns.

    Whatever I just do not agree with promoting hate with hate. This is going to piss a lot of people off. Seems counterproductive to me. Just wish Adam wasn’t attached to it now especially since he is always promoting love.

  • Soberba

    “Fucking” is just a word. I don’t see what’s the big deal.

    Edited: deleted last part of my post.

  • car

    Hopefully people will get more upset about the bullies and young people killing themselves than they will about curse words. But if the words are an issue perhaps the childs parent should be the focus. If people are pissed off, well Adam did not make the video nor did he cast the child.

  • pineappletree

    And if you have a problem with Adam promoting it, why did you post the link?

    Because this is the headlines thread and Adam twitted it out. I just don’t agree with it. Sorry that I don’t think all Adam does is great.

  • smeggingnuts

    soverymel:
    12/13/2010 at 4:21 pm
    JFC kids are killing themselves. If what it takes to wake some people up and start a conversation is a little girl saying fuck, then I have zero problem with it.

    exactly if this is what it takes to get people to pay attention. So its ok for people to have that kind of shit yelled at them but when someone says those words then says they are wrong and they arn’t going to stand for it anymore its wrong :|

  • smeggingnuts

    Sorry that I don’t think all Adam does is great.

    I don’t think all Adam does is rainbows and glitter either. But I see nothing wrong in promoting people who are standing up for themselves and others who have been bullied so much they commit suicide. I am sorry but if it take a few people saying the “f” word to stop that then….FUCK YES!!

  • lorismile

    I don’t agree with everything Adam does but I don’t see anything wrong with tweeting an anti bullying video.

    I’d rather see a child swear in support of anti bullying then to see a child spouting the Westboro crap.

  • pineappletree

    I just disagree with the use of the kids in the video esp when that child is not of age to understand what she is saying. Take the kids out of the video then I would have no problem. This is my last post on the matter.

  • tierbee

    Take the kids out of the video then I would have no problem.

    You can be anti-bullying and still not think it is ok for a young child to say “fuck.” And yes, I have young children myself, and they are taught to be kind and tolerant. They are taught to stick up for their friends (and they do), but that does not include saying “fuck you” to anyone. Ever. I think the video got my attention just fine without using the kids.

  • tierbee

    I’d rather see a child swear in support of anti bullying then to see a child spouting the Westboro crap.

    I’d rather them do neither. And I don’t care what Adam tweets, for what it’s worth. Just felt like someone who happens to see things the way I do r/e using the kids in the video was getting jumped on so wanted to chime in that I feel the same way, lol.

  • dcglam

    If people are pissed off, well Adam did not make the video nor did he cast the child.

    Exactly……. Someone had to give permission for this child to participate, and it wasn’t Adam.
    I am one who generally does not use the “f” word as part of my vocabulary. However, it seems to be making a very strong, necessary point in this situation. I feel that is the whole purpose behind the profanity in this video.

  • cwm

    Adam’s follow-up tweet re: the use of profanity:

    http://www.twitlonger.com/show/7fnk8s

    adamlambert:
    @karma_diva it’s just a fucking word- and it’s for a good cause. Sometimes fire w/ fire is a great way to illustrate a point. I’m sure most kids have heard the word in movies and songs etc… This video ain’t gonna corrupt anyone.

  • sr4mjc

    JFC kids are killing themselves. If what it takes to wake some people up and start a conversation is a little girl saying fuck, then I have zero problem with it.

    No shit!

    I have a hard time believing the younger cast has no understanding of what they are saying, kids aren’t that naive. I’d be proud to be the parent of that kid. That’s the kid who will probably stick up for the bullied kids in school. I liked the video, it’s a good cause and it makes a statement. It’s just a word.

  • GreenHippo

    One of the most disturbing things I have ever seen, was that small child carrying the sign saying : “GOD HATES ……..”. That was offensive.
    This FKH8 video was not.

  • smeggingnuts

    I didn’t see any jumping a few ppl stated their opinions….*shrug*

  • tierbee

    So its ok for people to have that kind of shit yelled at them but when someone says those words then says they are wrong and they arn’t going to stand for it anymore its wrong

    It’s not ok for people to have this kind of shit yelled at them. But I think it’s also not ok for children to use foul and/or abusive language. “Fuck you” is strong language. Young children have no place saying that. You can stand up for yourself, and your friends, without talking like that. And I am not gay, but I was bullied terribly for being tall, for being overweight, for having a deep voice. To the point of thinking that suicide might be the best way to deal with it. I don’t know, we’ve been talking about this a lot since I’m a soccer coach and a parent. And we’ve talked a lot lately at home and in the soccer ranks about how it has to be a cultural change, that it is just NOT ok to make fun of people, to mock them, to bully them. I don’t buy the “Oh, they’re just kids, kids are mean” excuse. Sure you can’t watch them 24/7, but you can teach them what is acceptable behavior and how you should treat your fellow humans. I had zero tolerance for any sort of mocking and bullying with my soccer players. I can’t control what they do at home, but I sure could control it on the field.

    I’m sorry. I get upset at this whole thing, I’ve been there, but I still believe in teaching kids respect, teaching them to treat people with kindness, and teaching them manners. I don’t think you have to say “fuck you” to stick up for yourself or your friends. I think you have to say “enough.”

  • tierbee

    One of the most disturbing things I have ever seen, was that small child carrying the sign saying : “GOD HATES ……..”. That was offensive.
    This FKH8 video was not.

    I think you can think the Westboro crap is offensive *and* not like kids saying “fuck.” Everyone has a different opinion of what is offensive and what isn’t, after all. I’m admittedly a bit conservative.

  • smeggingnuts

    Not sure if we have seen this…. Another singing competition show. American verison of Voice of Holland called Voice of America. Its set to air before X-Factor starts and might even run while Idol is on.

    http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/blogs/live-feed/nbc-singing-competition-voice-59228

    ETA: lol opps totally didn’t see MJ already posted a new thread for this…my bad

  • FREIDAG

    One thing Adam certainly does is get people talking. Amazing.

    For myself, I saw nothing wrong with the video.

    FCKH8. Yes definitely.

  • tinawina

    Those videos are not new, I think there is a series of them? Aren’t the kids in those thing generally the kids of gay parents? I don’t know where I got that from.

    Anyway, I am in no way conservative but seeing a little (like say, under 10 or so) screaming Fuck You angrily is jarring to me. I get what they are trying to do (display rage/fight back at bullying; grab attention) but that did seem a bit much to me too.

    Then again, when Funny Or Die did the Pearl videos (with the 2 year old girls playing the landlord and cursing her head off) I laughed for days. I don’t even know what that means about me. LOL

  • sr4mjc

    Ok, i watched it again to make sure i didn’t miss anything or if reading other opinions changed my initial reaction. With the exception of one ‘fuck you ballot box bullies’ at 1:15, there’s no other ‘Fuck Yous’ directed at anyone in the video. Just a lot of fuck hate and fuck this and that. It’s fine by me. It’s definitely a conversation maker, which is the point!

    ETA: oh, i see the one ‘I’ll fuck you up!’ I’m sorry, that coming out of that tiny girl shaking her fist is kinda funny. I guess the language doesn’t bother me. But I have no kids either, so my perspective might be different.

  • soverymel

    Aren’t the kids in those thing generally the kids of gay parents?

    Where’d you hear that? I thought they were actors.

  • smeggingnuts

    I’m sorry. I get upset at this whole thing, I’ve been there, but I still believe in teaching kids respect, teaching them to treat people with kindness, and teaching them manners. I don’t think you have to say “fuck you” to stick up for yourself or your friends. I think you have to say “enough.”

    I guess we see things a bit differant. I completely agree with everything you said about teaching kids about respecting others. But in my experiance with bullying in school (and it was alot). No matter how much you try to teach people to respect others it doesnt always work. This world isn’t perfect. And sometimes saying “enough” isn’t enough. I think the shock of the language shakes people out of their comfort zones more than “enough”. And for some that is what is needed to see what is happening. People become complacent. And sometimes a “shock” is what is needed to to break that.

    I don’t know I have worked with kids all my life. I have quite a few neices and nephews. In fact my oldest nephews has been bullied severally since the 3rd grade by the same group of kids for years. He is now in high school and finally away from them. But the only time they had stopped (since the school wouldn’t do a damn thing) is when he had gotten to the point that he couldn’t stand just saying “enough” which he had been doing for years. But it never stopped when he said “enough” it took more.

    So “enough” is nice and all but sometimes it takes more IMHO and YMMV

  • tinawina

    Where’d you hear that? I thought they were actors.

    I’m not sure! Maybe when the first one of these videos came out? There was a write up about them. Or maybe the kid said it in the video I saw?

  • pineappletree

    Then get outraged at a kid cursing.

    For the last time I am not outraged…good gracious. I think they could of gotten the point across without them. Sue me. Sorry I don’t agree with you.

  • sr4mjc

    I’m sure when an Idol sends a tweet about a Westboro affiliated child holding a sign and screaming stuff people will be duly outraged. LOL.

    He did and we were. I think Sasha tweetd out the pic and Adam and the crew responded. Kansas City tour date maybe? Sometime this summer. I’m sure someone will remember which city had the WBC protesters.

  • progression

    I still believe in teaching kids respect, teaching them to treat people with kindness, and teaching them manners. I don’t think you have to say “fuck you” to stick up for yourself or your friends. I think you have to say “enough.”

    Completely agree, 1000%. It’s a cliche, but two wrongs don’t make a right. Teaching kids to be rude and obnoxious is not the skills they need to make a difference in the world.

  • Studio57

    I fucking love potty mouth kids!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bqzAjdcoGwY

  • sagi

    I think the young child was used in the video just to portray the fact that bullying occurs in all age groups and was use to depict that factor. Yeah, I would have a problem hearing a child that young using that kind of language in other situations, but this was a meant to be a strong message to those that condone hate. So I get it and understand the point of it all. I don’t believe for a second that this video was made for any kind of teaching tool.

  • pineappletree

    progression:
    12/13/2010 at 5:42 pm

    I still believe in teaching kids respect, teaching them to treat people with kindness, and teaching them manners. I don’t think you have to say “fuck you” to stick up for yourself or your friends. I think you have to say “enough.”

    Completely agree, 1000%. It’s a cliche, but two wrongs don’t make a right. Teaching kids to be rude and obnoxious is not the skills they need to make a difference in the world.

    Thank you…agree 1000% also

  • tinawina

    but this was a meant to be a strong message to those that condone hate. So I get it and understand the point of it all.

    I get the intent too, but I do see both sides.

  • tierbee

    It is great to think that Westboro crap is offensive. But what would be greater is if there was as much moral outrage over Westboro as there is over a video saying fuck the hate.

    What does Westboro have to do with a reaction to this video? I LOATHE those people, but I fail to see how that has any correlation with how I feel about kids saying “fuck” in a video (I do fail to see how being uncomfortable with kids in the video saying “fuck” = moral outrage, though).

    I’m sure when an Idol sends a tweet about a Westboro affiliated child holding a sign and screaming stuff people will be duly outraged. LOL.

    Honestly, those freaks live off publicity so I’d rather ignore them until they drown in their own bile.

  • GreenHippo

    Not sure if we have seen this…. Another singing competition show. American verison of Voice of Holland called Voice of America. Its set to air before X-Factor starts and might even run while Idol is on.

    http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/blogs/live-feed/nbc-singing-competition-voice-59228

    wow that looks interesting AND promising. I like the fact that the judges at some point have to turn around and only listen and NOT see, to decide. This could be a true threat to X-Factor and possibly Idol.

  • tierbee

    So I get it and understand the point of it all. I don’t believe for a second that this video was made for any kind of teaching tool.

    Oh, I get the point and I understand that. I wouldn’t mind if the kids were older. Hell, by the time they are teens they are saying “fuck” all the time anyway. Maybe I’m overprotective, I have a 7 yr old. He will NOT be saying “fuck” anytime soon or he will be in big trouble :)

    Then get outraged at a kid cursing.

    Remember how I wanted to chime in because the poster who initially had a beef with the video seeemed to be getting piled on? This is why. WHO is outraged? I’m not outraged, I have an issue with the video. Having an issue with the video does not equal outrage. I’m actually a very peaceful person, hence my distaste for strong/aggressive language.

  • tierbee

    Another singing competition show. American verison of Voice of Holland called Voice of America. Its set to air before X-Factor starts and might even run while Idol is on.

    Blood in the water where Idol is concerned?

    Oops, guess there’s a whole thread for that. I might be reality-singing-show-ed out, though. Especially since I’m also into “The Sing-Off.”

  • bridgette12

    Not sure if we have seen this…. Another singing competition show. American verison of Voice of Holland called Voice of America. Its set to air before X-Factor starts and might even run while Idol is on.

    http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/blogs/live-feed/nbc-singing-competition-voice-59228

    This this should be interesting, a little competition between shows is a good thing. Plus more opportunities for Idols to be guest stars possibly on these shows.

  • Indigobunting

    It’s the use of the kids that makes it bad. Take them out then it’s a whole different story.

    I’ve seen that video before Adam ever tweeted it and thought it was stupid.

    You can make a clever anti-bullying video without little kids (or adults for that matter) saying the f bomb.

    Have people become so uncreative they can’t find a way to get a point across without sex, violence or profanity? Just another dumbing down of society in my book.

    And hypocritical in a way, using hateful words to campaign against hate. Kind of like the people on Twitter with No Hate Gravatars who spew hate.

    I’m with you Pineappletree and Tierbee. I’m not outraged either; takes a lot to outrage me; I just think it was a bad video and not a good one to tweet.

  • soverymel

    wow that looks interesting AND promising. I like the fact that the judges at some point have to turn around and only listen and NOT see, to decide. This could be a true threat to X-Factor and possibly Idol.

    I agree, it’s an intriguing premise. I saw a vid of it because a contestant sang WWFM in the audition rounds and I was so confused at first by the big swivel chairs and the judges facing the wrong way. Pretty cool though. Here’s that vid, if you’re curious.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s6lSemkSmXE

  • kidding

    I’m sure when an Idol sends a tweet about a Westboro affiliated child holding a sign and screaming stuff people will be duly outraged. LOL.

    He did and we were. I think Sasha tweetd out the pic and Adam and the crew responded. Kansas City tour date maybe? Sometime this summer. I’m sure someone will remember which city had the WBC protesters.

    You had to make it into a challenge… ;) Adam himself tweeted a pic of the protesters in July. Don’t know which tour stop this was. (And I don’t remember if there was outrage on mj’s)

    *sigh* God doesn’t Hate. http://yfrog.com/2d350rjj
    4:15 AM Jul 16th via Twitter for iPhone

  • tinawina

    So to recap:

    1. People here are not outraged.
    2. No one like the Westboro people more.
    3. The point of the video is clear.
    4. Some people find small kids saying fuck kinda uncomfortable.

    I think this is some of the point someone was making. People say oh Westboro what a bunch of attention seeking idiots then ignore them. I think the point for that one was yeah they are but that doesn’t change what they are doing.

    But that is a bit of a strawman argument, isn’t it? Unless kids cursing is vital to combating the Westboro Baptist Church, it has nothing to do with the point being made. These are not diametrically opposed points.

    It’s like you saying you think strawberry ice cream is a little yucky, and someone else comes back with “What? YOU DON”T THINK PICKLE ICE CREAM IS MORE DISGUSTING? WHY DON’T YOU COMPLAIN ABOUT THAT???!!!! Where is the world’s outrage for PICKLE?!!” Um, what? What if you like neither, but you are talking about strawberry because that’s what came up? Do you have to mention every flavor of ice cream you don’t like every time you talk about strawberry? And what does “the world” have to do with someone not liking strawberry? That makes no sense. YMMV.

  • tierbee

    Unless kids cursing is vital to combating the Westboro Baptist Church, it has nothing to do with the point being made.

    tinawina, I’ve said before that I should let you speak for me. I still believe so. :) And your example rocks. Especially ’cause you used pickle ice cream and not something boring like chocolate or vanilla.

    (I don’t want to see little kids in a video saying “Fuck you” to Westboro either, LOL!)

  • bridgette12

    I agree, it’s an intriguing premise. I saw a vid of it because a contestant sang WWFM in the audition rounds and I was so confused at first by the big swivel chairs and the judges facing the wrong way. Pretty cool though. Here’s that vid, if you’re curious.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s6lSemkSmX

    I seen several videos of some the contestants singing and they had some really talented kids. Plus they were actually singing some comtemporary songs instead of oldies from Elvis, Sinatra or The Beatles. I think this might work if they can keep the same concept.

  • gangreen29

    Then again, when Funny Or Die did the Pearl videos (with the 2 year old girls playing the landlord and cursing her head off) I laughed for days. I don’t even know what that means about me. LOL

    OMG Yes!

    And for what its worth I would totally try Pickle Ice Cream…I have a tin of Pickel flavored mints and they are awesome

    That is gross. And I totally love pickles too.

  • tierbee

    Agreed. High school for me was 10 years ago too.

    Not talking about the teens. Talking about the young girl who is much younger than a teen. Can’t imagine anyone who is realistic would think that teens don’t cuss. God knows I did. 8 yr olds, on the other hand, should not be cussing. Not liking kids cussing does not equal thinking gay slurs are ok. It means that I don’t think EITHER is ok. I don’t think cussing is worse than gay slurs, either.

    OK, I really am taking a time out.

  • tinawina

    I think this is an issue of people who don’t like that fact that there are kids swearing and people who understand why the kids are there and don’t have a problem….period some say no kids some say kids ok…..

    Pretty much.

    I wasn’t trying to compair. I was trying to help someone try to get their opinion across…silly me ( it wasn’t whether I agree’d or not I was just trying to help) since I thought I understood what they were trying to say.

    ??? That wasn’t directed at you in the way you seem to think (?). You clarified what the person was saying and I was clarifying the counter-argument that also had been posted. That wasn’t personal at all, it was about the idea, and I knew it didn’t originate with you.

    We’re not talking about the teenagers here, BTW. At least I’m not.

    I don’t think anyone was.. wasn’t the little girl who looks about 7/8 specifically mentioned?

  • FREIDAG

    Agreed. High school for me was 10 years ago too.

    Not talking about the teens. Talking about the young girl who is much younger than a teen. Can’t imagine anyone who is realistic would think that teens don’t cuss. God knows I did. 8 yr olds, on the other hand, should not be cussing. Not liking kids cussing does not equal thinking gay slurs are ok. It means that I don’t think EITHER is ok. I don’t think cussing is worse than gay slurs, either.

    OK, I really am taking a time out.

    I’m really not sure why you are directing this one at me. I never said any of that in reference to you. :) I didn’t offer that type of correlation.

    In high school and grade school I cursed, so did everyone else and the nuns at Holy Rosary let us have it for doing so. But picking on other kids and bullying them was generally ignored. I think our society is a lot like those nuns. Obviously not you but with a great many people.

    I am done with this too. Some things matter and some things don’t. And at least to me, a child cursing in a video to support a much larger and deadly issue just doesn’t.

  • http://myspace.com/girlgeek mj

    Reminder:

    Deleting a bunch of posts. Esp. all of the Westboro Baptist Church stuff. Straw man arguments make me crazy. Argue the point, don’t bait or bring in OT stuff that only serves to exacerbate the argument.

  • Indigobunting

    I have teens and am well aware of the language they use amongst themselves.

    But mine are smart enough to not do it in front of people they think may be offended; or put it on video/facebook etc where it may come back to bite them. And I am mighty proud of that fact :).

    But that is beside the point-mostly talking about an elementary kid here. And I think everyone fully gets the “point” of the video, that has nothing to do with the fact that some think it is unappealing, hypocritical to use hateful words to combat hate and most importantly, IMO, a lazy, uncreative way to get the point across.

    And I don’t think anyone who thinks so is missing the point. We just disagree with the video as being a good one. And that is a valid viewpoint, IMO.

  • http://myspace.com/girlgeek mj

    Oh…and please respect the opinions of your fellow posters. To say, “Well you’re just not getting it” as if the person disagreeing with you is just stupid is rude. Yes, there were some posts here with a condescending tone, and I deleted them.

  • smeggingnuts

    ack…..sorry MJ I seriously wasn’t trying to bait anyone or be condescending.

  • tierbee

    *Peeks head back around corner of time out and hugs smeggingnuts. It’s all good :) *

  • Tess

    Coming to the discussion late about the FCKH8 campaign. I gather Adam sent out a tweet to get people to watch this, right?

    I have a habit of swearing like a sailor so the “f” word has never been offensive to me…nor are any other swear words because I think it is more about the intent behind the word then the word. I find it strange that people can blow off steam by using frig, and shoot, and heck and direct their “anger” at people or situations and this becomes acceptable and kind of “cute”….cause the voicer is being careful to avoid the catch phrases of fuck and shit and hell.

    That being said I think I understand the intent of the videos…and shock value and discomfort often are good means of getting a point across. Personally I wouldn’t have used the grade school kids, but young teens and young adults are fine. And I wouldn’t have used the kids for the exact same reasons as have been expressed here…the message of the video seems to be lost among those people who find swearing by children offensive in any setting…and since the message is good it is a shame that it wasn’t a bit more PC.

    My major concern, though, is the fact that someone is being quietly “attacked” for getting people to look at the video, and I think that is being a bit unfair. We all have a tendency to recommend something that moves us and we shouldn’t “kill the messenger” just because parts of the message make us feel uncomfortable.

  • Cynthia101

    Sorry MJ. I didn’t mean to offend anyone or go off on a tangent of any sort. I will gladly drop the topic now.

  • GreenHippo

    So I come back in here to check on the FKH8 discussion and see that MJ busted us. LOL.
    Sorry MJ! But it was entertaining :)

    I also agree, we shouldn’t shoot the messenger, especially since we don’t live in his shoes.

  • Indigobunting

    Pineapple tree; I don’t think you were “attacking” anyone or shooting any messenger.

    Disapproving of someone posting a video of something you found distasteful is perfectly legitimate and fair game for anyone putting things out there publicly.

    No tweeter is perfect; even American Idols ;)

    There have certainly been things posted by people I like and admire that I wish they hadn’t posted- doesn’t make me think less of them as a person, at that time I just wished they hadn’t posted the particular item.

  • car

    If the tweet or the re-posting of the tweet got more people to hear and discuss the message it was worth it.

  • JLM12

    I am so excited that Adam Lambert is finally getting some recognition. I think his vocal talent is just phenomenal and he absolutely deserves all the awards he is getting. I sure hope he wins the Grammy he was nominated for. Thanks MJ for your coverage of Adam.

  • Zastine4974

    JLM12:
    12/13/2010 at 9:33 pm
    I am so excited that Adam Lambert is finally getting some recognition.

    Finally getting some recognition? Where have you been for the last year?

  • cwm

    car:
    12/13/2010 at 8:43 pm
    If the tweet or the re-posting of the tweet got more people to hear and discuss the message it was worth it.

    I’m know I’m late to the discussion, but exactly ^^^. It’s serving its purpose. It’s getting people to talk about the intent of the message. I’m not an F-bomb person myself, and I did cringe a bit when that little girl hurled profanities, but it certainly got my attention and made me think about why they deliberately chose to have a young child in the video. She’s there for a strategic reason. Powerful message, provocative delivery.

  • sagi

    Finally getting some recognition? Where have you been for the last year?

    Have to admit, I thought the same thing! :) He has been getting awards, magazine covers, gold and platinum awards/plaques, headlines, sold out shows, etc., etc., since the time he didn’t win Idol! :LOL:

    ETA I do understand what you were trying to say though :)

  • turquoisewaters

    Regarding the FKH8 discussion: I think using the 7-8 year old girl is justified in this case. It brings the point home that gay bulling does not start in the teen years, but is already going on in the elementary school years. Using the F-Word really seems like a minor offense in comparison, and it sure gets people talking.