Idol Headlines for 12/06/09

Just saw Daughtry doing a commercial for Salvation Army on CNN! Very nice!

Archie is doing well with his Christmas album on iTunes this weekend – congrats!

“From Tiger to Octomom, it’s all about the fame”

Sadly its all about the fame these days.. :/

Yeah — I loved Mitch Albom’s article. Thanks for posting it, MJ.

Just read Mitch Albom’s piece – agree with everything he says.

I’m starting to see a little bit of media backlash here.

Does no one see the irony in the Albom piece?

So, Daughtry played Birmingham. Now that’s classic!

I posted this on the latest thread about David, but it’s probably more appropriate here since it’s from an article:

In the TV Guide that accompanies the Washington Post, Carrie Underwood is on the front page and they have a cover article about the special on page three. Here’s the section relevant to fellow Idol, DC.

Underwood had a hand in reducing the original ‘wish list’  to the guests who ultimately made the cut. ‘It’s hard to get music people,’  she explains, ‘because they’re touring or in the middle of making an album, so they really don’t have that much down time that they can just drop everything and come to L.A. to be on my show. We were really lucky.

‘Dolly and Brad are two of my favorite people in the world, and I think David and I sound good together. He’s a really good friend of mine, he agreed to do it, and we get to sound good together again!’ 

Maybe you get to sound good together again … or maybe not. Hope so.

“Glambert makes Walters’ Most Overexposed list”

lol

From that Mitch Albom article;

And we can’t begin to list all the pseudo, wannabe and semi-celebrities who shamelessly threw themselves into the limelight, from the Gosselins to the endless stream of Michael Jackson mourners to the gyrating, guy-kissing Adam Lambert, who seems to grow in stature with each show that cancels him.

Lambert, an “American Idol” runner-up, is one of Barbara Walters’ most fascinating people of the year.

Really? For what?

I think the Mitch Albom’s piece was a real sad commentary on what holds many of our interest. I happen to agree with his assessment of American Idol on some level but I do think it is one reality show that has found some fascinating, talented young people. I am a huge fan of many of these kids (including Adam) so not all is lost on this show. I hope Adam has learned a valuable lesson on his AMA debacle….he says he has…..we will see. His talent is all he needs to make a statement…..and good judgment!

About the Mitch Albom’s piece, how can anybody put Octomom, Balloon Boy, State-Gate Crashers in the same category as Adam Lambert?
What Albom didn’t realize is, unlike the rest, it’s the media that follows Adam. No matter what he does, it WILL become news.
“Lambert, an ‘American Idol’  runner-up, is one of Barbara Walters’ most fascinating people of the year.

Really? For what?”

How about being the super talented singer? Arguably the MOST talented singer ever graced the Idol stage?

I can’t wait for the Carrie Christmas special with David Cook.

<3

I’m starting to see a little bit of media backlash here.

Its inevitable IMO. That’s how the media cycle works.

I really hoped that Archie would be on some Christmas Special.

Archie’s voice = Christmas

About the Mitch Albom’s piece, how can anybody put Octomom, Balloon Boy, State-Gate Crashers in the same category as Adam Lambert?
What Albom didn’t realize is, unlike the rest, it’s the media that follows Adam. No matter what he does, it WILL become news.
‘Lambert, an ‘American Idol’  runner-up, is one of Barbara Walters’ most fascinating people of the year.

Really? For what?’ 

How about being the super talented singer? Arguably the MOST talented singer ever graced the Idol stage?

ITA — and how about for, as Melissa Etheridge pointed out on Access Hollywood the other night, forging his own path in terms of being a gay male popstar who is openly out at the beginning of his career?

Oh, Carrie, baby, haven’t you gotten the memo. America is not interested in a family friendly variety show to watch with their kids…they stick them in front of the TV at 10 o’clock at night and have them watch “adult” entertainment.

It is well and good to say that America wants all this “good, clean, entertainment”….but just watch any network programming from sit-coms to reality shows to drama to news specials. It is ALL adult entertainment. The shows from yester year would never survive…we will never see another Mayberry.

As much as everyone talks the talk about wanting family stuff….nobody watches it. Kids are way to interested in playing their “killing” games on their play stations (or whatever its called these days) then sitting down with their folks and watching Andy Williams. We are a nation of total hypocrites….show the pretty in public….do the dirty in private.

Be strong, Lambert fans! There was bound to be a backlash by the media sometime- they always take someone, fuss about him, suck up to him, basically crown him- only to have the satisfaction of de-crowning and humiliating him when he trips…

I wouldn’t worry- Adam’s the real deal, so he will overcome

We just have to show him support and lovin’, ’cause it must feel a little lousy to get that kind of treatment…

Americans (including me) have a short attention span. I’m so over the AMAs, but apparently the media isn’t. Going to VH1 to vote for FYE as I’m not over Adam…

Article about Danny’s appearance supporting a fundraiser last night in Arkansas.

http://nwahomepage.com/content/fulltext/?cid=139072

As much as everyone talks the talk about wanting family stuff’ ¦.nobody watches it. Kids are way to interested in playing their ‘killing’  games on their play stations (or whatever its called these days) then sitting down with their folks and watching Andy Williams. We are a nation of total hypocrites’ ¦.show the pretty in public’ ¦.do the dirty in private.

My dad used to love Andy Williams, but even in his day, was never cool. Wouldn’t compare artists like Carrie to him at all.
Hope we don’t have to be that cynical though on the larger point. I think G-rated movies still outsell R-rated movies by significant margins these days, don’t they? And some very G-rated acts like Taylor Swift are cleaning up in the music industry including for the younger audiences. TV is a little different to judge by for me, as the audience doesn’t control the programming that’s put up, network executives do. A lot of people who may be turned off by the “adult” programming may just opt out by watching DVDs. Or (crazy thought…!) turning off the tv and reading a book — it could happen, lol

Oh, Carrie, baby, haven’t you gotten the memo. America is not interested in a family friendly variety show to watch with their kids’ ¦they stick them in front of the TV at 10 o’clock at night and have them watch ‘adult’  entertainment.

There STILL HAS BE responsible adults/parents out there who will let their children watch positive Christmas Specials on TV, without any gyrating and simulated sexual shenanigans. Parents who don’t heap praise on those who do those acts on TV.

I still enjoy these type of shows where it is about singing, and not sex and violence.

show the pretty in public’ ¦.do the dirty in private.

I wish it were like that.

In the non Idol watching world, all that is known of Adam is his AMA performance and subsequent publicity. Adam took a calculated risk and failed. Unfortunately with this type of publicity comes backlash and he will have to work very hard to establish himself as a singer and overcome the foolish image.

Maybe you get to sound good together again ‘ ¦ or maybe not. Hope so.

IF the duet gets cut, and I tend to think it will since the legal issues were mentioned so recently..well I think then they need to record something together. Shouldn’t be a problem since they’re such good friends and love each other to death and are such fans of each other right?!

Regardless I’m still really looking forward to the special. I adore Carrie and I really like Brad and Dolly. all the clips I’ve seen and all the reports from the taping sounded amazing.

‘Lambert, an ‘American Idol’  runner-up, is one of Barbara Walters’ most fascinating people of the year.

Really? For what?’ 

How about being the super talented singer? Arguably the MOST talented singer ever graced the Idol stage?

Thank you, Levine!
I agreed with everything Albom said in this article, except for his ignorant take on Adam Lambert. My husband and I are a fan of his sports commentaries. He is usually right on the money with his sports views.
I have two suggestions for Mr. Albom…….
First of all, stick to the topic you know (sports). Secondly, tune in Wednesday evening to the Barbara Walters show, so you will find answers to those questions: Really? For what?

About the Mitch Albom’s piece, how can anybody put Octomom, Balloon Boy, State-Gate Crashers in the same category as Adam Lambert?
What Albom didn’t realize is, unlike the rest, it’s the media that follows Adam. No matter what he does, it WILL become news.
‘Lambert, an ‘American Idol’  runner-up, is one of Barbara Walters’ most fascinating people of the year.

I’m sure Mitch Albom was never a fan of Adam or perhaps never watched American Idol or heard his album to understand why Adam has fans. And I certainly don’t see that there is a media backlash. One writer who doesn’t like Adam doesn’t make a media backlash. When you start to see patterns is when you can say, yes, there is a backlash brewing. At this point, I don’t see it. By the way, I think the media cycle is almost done on the AMAs, but it’s really been an ABC fueled cycle since they wouldn’t let it die afer they cancelled the GMA.

Interesting facts about Adam’s album and single “whataya want from me”
http://www.hitsdailydouble.com/home/home.cgi

“I still enjoy these type of shows where it is about singing, and not sex and violence.”

Talking about singing, I really enjoyed Adam’s WYWFM and Music again on CBS’s morning show. And all the shows Adam did on AI. I also enjoyed all the shows Adam did before AI (via youtube). Unfortunately, some people ONLY pay attention to AMAs….

LOL about the Albom piece. Thought it was pretty poignant until i came to the last part….

“…But she was talking into a TV camera.

How’s that for irony?

Mitch Albom will sign copies of his latest bestseller, “Have a Little Faith,” at 7:30 p.m. Tuesday at Borders in Farmington Hills, 7:30 p.m. Wednesday at Barnes & Noble in Allen Park, 7:30 p.m…..

Now the last part is irony too….

Pictures from the radio station for the fundraiser Danny did at City Limits in Raleigh NC Friday night.

947_QDR (947 QDR): I posted 27 photos on Facebook in the album “Danny Gokey Christmas Wish Show” http://bit.ly/8yxVex

Thanks Sagi for the link to the Daily Hits link. It looks like WWFM is predicted to take off.

http://www.hitsdailydouble.com/home/home.cgi

track: Whataya Want From Me

Huge buzz on Idol runner up as LP debuts #3 nationally! New track seeing immediate love from Top 40 and Hot Adult. Early adopters: Z100, KIIS, KHKS, KZZP, KHTS, KDWB, WFLZ, WPLJ, KYKY, much more. Ellen 12/1, Barbara Walters’ ’10 Most Fascinating’  12/9, Conan 12/14, Kimmel 12/17. Huge AMA performance. ‘For Your Ent.’  added MTV, MTV Hits. Mgmt: Simon Fuller & Iain Pirie/19 Ent.

Dolly and Brad are two of my favorite people in the world, and I think David and I sound good together. He’s a really good friend of mine, he agreed to do it, and we get to sound good together again!’ 

Maybe you get to sound good together again ‘ ¦ or maybe not. Hope so.

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Thanks for that blurb. Well, since the duet was already performed and taped, Carrie knows that they sound good. And the lucky audience. Nigel tweeted that they make “magic”. GAK! So let’s hope that we and rest of the TV viewing audience can hear how good they sound. I will be so sad if that does not make the final cut.

show the pretty in public’ ¦.do the dirty in private.

I am talking about the “general public” and their hypocritical judgmental public persona. It is the very “lucky few” that have no skeletons in their closet…but people who do things behind closed doors that are not only inappropriate but borderline illegal are just as likely to cast stones as those that lead a fairy tale exempliary life.

Being a public figure is just that…being a public figure. And to hold them to a higher standard than is societal norm is the epitomy of hypocrisy.

edited:

Mitch Albom will sign copies of his latest bestseller, ‘Have a Little Faith,’  at 7:30 p.m. Tuesday at Borders in Farmington Hills, 7:30 p.m. Wednesday at Barnes & Noble in Allen Park, 7:30 p.m’ ¦..

Now the last part is irony too’ ¦.

Yeah, that cracked me up, too. I just love how these writers act all holier than thou addressing what they deem overexposure in the media, then, for example, use “Glambert” in their headline to get hits.

Thanks Steph

Pictures from the radio station for the fundraiser Danny did at City Limits in Raleigh NC Friday night.

947_QDR (947 QDR): I posted 27 photos on Facebook in the album ‘Danny Gokey Christmas Wish Show’  http://bit.ly/8yxVex

Nice photos.

Undercooked- Well, there are two articles here that are kind of “trashing” Adam, so it could be a pattern… hope not!

Funny thing- the one that talks about him being overexposed openly admits that it helped with the exposure by running 26 (!!!) headlines with Adam’s name in them- and getting rewarded with many hits for it, too…

Oh, be strong, Adam! I think this is about the time where he should stop reading anything written about him… at least for a little while…

Kat Mcphee in ANOTHER great performanve…..last night……just in case it gets overlooked here….Andrea Bocelli performs with Katharine Mcphee–Blue Christmas in New Jersey, Izod Center Dec 5th

Thanks for that blurb. Well, since the duet was already performed and taped, Carrie knows that they sound good. And the lucky audience. Nigel tweeted that they make ‘magic’ . GAK! So let’s hope that we and rest of the TV viewing audience can hear how good they sound. I will be so sad if that does not make the final cut.

Well, I hear Nigel has a show. Why doesn’t he invite David and Carrie to tape another duet for that. A duet on a song they have iron clad permission on would be nice.

Also, I hear there’s a show called “American Idol?” Has anyone heard of it? Maybe DC and CU can do something together on that? Hmm? (I think these two have a relationship with that show, but I could be wrong.)

It iis early on a Sunday but what’s ironic about a guy signing books in a bookstore. Now if he was simulating oral sex on television or trying to crash the White House, that would be ironic.

I like the title of Baba Wawa’s special – America’s Most Overexposed…very funny.

How about being the super talented singer? Arguably the MOST talented singer ever graced the Idol stage?

Says you. That is in the ear of the beholder. He’s in my top 8, but not the very top. But yeah, this stuff about Adam and the ABC stuff is turning into a big old mess and is taking away from his singing.

He’s turning into the gay guy, who sings. Instead of the singer, who happens to be gay.

Several performance videos up with Danny at City Limits also. This is my favorite, I think.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fOjdASSKgw0

The other two are on that same poster’s YT channel, with Danny’s single My Best Days and the ballad It’s Only.

Lambert, an ‘American Idol’  runner-up, is one of Barbara Walters’ most fascinating people of the year.

Really? For what?

I’ll answer this question, Mitch. He’s a guy with a huge talent who has just been vaulted into the national spotlight by virtue of being on the number 1 ranked TV show in the country and he has an incredible opportunity to achieve his dreams of success, but he’s risking it all by being out and proud at the beginning of his career. That’s why he’s fascinating.

And before anyone jumps in here with a response, let me just state upfront that I’ve spent way too much time these past few months reading hundreds of posts about Adam Lambert. And despite many valiant efforts, no one, let me repeat – no one – has convinced me that any other singer or entertainer in the music business on the brink of such stardom has risked so much so early in his or her career. No one.

I understand Albom’s point – “fame for fame’s sake, five minutes of attention” – and towards that end people like Octomom, Balloon boy’s family, State-Gate Crashers, Jon & Kate and Tiger Wood’s mistress certainly fit the bill. But it is beyond ridiculous that he would add Adam’s name to that list – a guy who is gifted with an incredible voice, who has worked hard in his chosen field for 10 years to hone his craft and who just put out an album of original work that sold almost 200,000 copies its first week, selling almost 2 and 1/2 times the number sold by the winner of the show. Regardless of how one might feel about Adam’s AMA performance, talent is talent and Albom’s attempt to completely diminish that talent by lumping Adam in with Tiger Wood’s mistress and Balloon Boy’s family says way more to me about Albom than anything else.

The headlines that MJ posts are not all-inclusive. There were many more posts on Adam yesterday. Here are a few from a quick google news search:

http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20325105,00.html

http://www.usmagazine.com/celebritynews/news/abc-invites-adam-lambert-back-to-perform-2009512

http://nymag.com/daily/entertainment/2009/12/adam_lambert_to_appear_on_abcs.html

http://www.okmagazine.com/2009/12/adam-lambert-schedules-appearance-on-the-view/

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5i3lLPpexO9D_SrkNGDduJeDMu-WgD9CDFD9O0

Yeah, that cracked me up, too. I just love how these writers act all holier than thou addressing what they deem overexposure in the media, then, for example, use ‘Glambert’  in their headline to get hits.

He may truly believe what he wrote, but he just sounds uninformed by not acknowledging why Adam does have fans or that perhaps he may have talent. Also, when he’s plugging his own book, it well, sort of seems like he did it for the hits. I’m sure he follows google trends and knows what will drive people to his article. C’est le vie.

One Article does not make a backlash IMHO. We will see how much this is picked up by the media. The argument could be made for any year the most fascinating people on Barbara’s list. The list is just as much of an attack on Barbara Walters as it is on the people she has picked on the list. This is just one person’s opinion. What will people do once someone writes a contradictory piece. (and they will) Does that automatically mean the whole media will then embrace him. You will always of good with the bad. Adam’s Album has gotten great reviews and bad reviews. (a lot more positive then negative) Which is it? It all depends on people’s taste on whose opinion you will agree with. I think Adam is fine.

I am very thrilled in anticipation of Carrie’s Christmas Special. I think it will be great. As far as the debate on family friendly or adult content. I think they both have their place and people can appreciate and enjoy watching both. When did we become a monolithic society.

It iis early on a Sunday but what’s ironic about a guy signing books in a bookstore.

lol agree.

The headlines that MJ posts are not all-inclusive. There were many more posts on Adam yesterday. Here are a few from a quick google news search:

http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20325105,00.html

http://www.usmagazine.com/celebritynews/news/abc-invites-adam-lambert-back-to-perform-2009512

http://nymag.com/daily/entertainment/2009/12/adam_lambert_to_appear_on_abcs.html

http://www.okmagazine.com/2009/12/adam-lambert-schedules-appearance-on-the-view/

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5i3lLPpexO9D_SrkNGDduJeDMu-WgD9CDFD9O0

Good job finding 5 articles that all talk about the same damn thing. The same damn thing that was already discussed in depth yesterday.

I wonder why Sarah Palin wasn’t talked about in Mitch’s article. She seems like the one on Barbara’s show that is most intent on gaining fame thru the media. I think show biz and politics have a lot in common, as it’s all about getting your name in the news. Some folks actively pursue controversy or instant fame, where others it just happens to. Celebrity gossip has always been around, it’s just intensified and more available with modern technology. TV and the Internet are doing a lot to shape what we see and hear, but I’m not about to give either on up. I personally wish the FCC would do more to monitor sex and violence on TV (and also adds for items like erectile dysfunction ) during daytime and early evening hours. when the kids might actually be watching.But what, there’s all those folks who want less goverment, no matter how it effects others. These are the opions of a senior (age wise) who loves Adam and was less shocked by his sexual performance, done in a dance form (late at might) than things I’ve seen and heard on prime time TV in shows like Cougar Town and Old Christine and of course all the crime dramas and the list could go on and on.

talent is talent and Albon’s attempt to completely diminish that talent by lumping Adam in with Tiger Wood’s mistress and Balloon Boy’s family says way more to me about Albon than anything else.

Not everyone lives in the American Idol bubble. Most non-Idol viewers, which make up more than those who watch it, don’t know Adam. Their first view of Adam was on the AMAs.

Many people have not seen Adam’s performances on Idol, but many saw that travesty he pulled on the AMAs.

DLee
12/06/2009 at 10:44 am
Does no one see the irony in the Albom piece?

love it DLee….Mitch complains about OTT press coverage in an OTT press article.
I personally do not agree w/ every person on BW’s list, but that’s HER list, HER show. I’m sure we all have our own top 10.
Mitch, why don’t you create your own top 10 and interview them?

LaurelG: You hit the nail on the head, LOVED your post. No one else has risked so much so early on in his career. That’s who Adam is and it’s why I love him.

It iis early on a Sunday but what’s ironic about a guy signing books in a bookstore.

lol agree.

There’s just something rather amusing about an article regarding overexposure being ended with the author promoting his own endeavors.

Not if he is a writer who writes about things like this….which he did.

So it is not ironic.

It iis early on a Sunday but what’s ironic about a guy signing books in a bookstore. Now if he was simulating oral sex on television or trying to crash the White House, that would be ironic.

Exactly. Mitch Albom is a writer who became famous for …writing. His piece is not anti-fame, it’s anti cheap fame. It’s against whoring yourself out to get your name in the spotlight, even if you lose dignity or endanger/embarass your family, or otherwise do things that are detrimental to society to do it. (I am referring to Octomom et al in this last part, not Adam)

The part I feel some of y’all are missing here is that people who watch AI know that Adam Lambert is very talented. But for the majority of the country, the part that does not watch AI, Adam Lambert is famous as the gay guy who made out with a man onstage and then got banned from ABC. Not for his singing, which was not great that night, and not for his songs, which are not played enough on the radio to have an impact yet. This is his claim to fame for the moment, So there will be people who lump him in with all the other crass, fame hungry reality “stars” until he proves otherwise.

ETA: Oh, there should be a mini backlash eventually because it always happens. The story has gone on too long IMO and he’s about to enter “sick of this guy” territory. Wait for it.

LaurelG…..love the way you think!… thanks

I find it curious that the HDD article referred to WWFM as Adam’s debut single. I had this idea it was at least his second (after FYE) and possibly third/fourth, even though he didn’t promote TfM/NoBo.

And about the “potential media backlash” because a few people wrote nasty things, it’s no worse than a few of the reviews on tour. There’s been minor media hate on Adam since at least the final (and possibly beforehand), it’s just that they give him a lot of love too.

” How about being the super talented singer? Arguably the MOST talented singer ever graced the Idol stage?

Says you. That is in the ear of the beholder. He’s in my top 8, but not the very top.”

Of cause says ME…and millions of others, and 90% of the media.
For me the top 8 are: Adam, Adam,Adam, Adam,Adam, Adam,Adam,Adam
Please don’t attack me, it’s only a “Says me“

Exactly. Mitch Albom is a writer who became famous for ‘ ¦writing. His piece is not anti-fame, it’s anti cheap fame. It’s against whoring yourself out to get your name in the spotlight, even if you lose dignity

This part I agree with.

Good job finding 5 articles that all talk about the same damn thing. The same damn thing that was already discussed in depth yesterday.

THANK YOU. Exactly.

Regardless of how one might feel about Adam’s AMA performance, talent is talent and Albon’s attempt to completely diminish that talent by lumping Adam in with Tiger Wood’s mistress and Balloon Boy’s family says way more to me about Albon than anything else.

I totally agree, LaurelG! Please see my earlier post about this same thing. I’m still stewing about that comment of his.
The more I think about it, the more I feel he knows little about music, especially Adam Lambert. I doubt he has even seen him perform anywhere other than the AMAs. I truly feel he is basing his negative opinion on that one performance.
Hey Mitch……. I want to know: Where and what are you basing your opinion from????

Of cause says ME’ ¦and millions of others, and 90% of the media.
For me the top 8 are: Adam, Adam,Adam, Adam,Adam, Adam,Adam,Adam

…and that makes Adam one of the most OVEREXPOSED persons.

There is always a media backlash…always.

Not everyone watches Idol

Good job finding 5 articles that all talk about the same damn thing. The same damn thing that was already discussed in depth yesterday.

Though I agree with you that these were discussed yesterday…It does show that the idea of a backlash because of one article is an overstatement.

Exactly. Mitch Albom is a writer who became famous for ‘ ¦writing. His piece is not anti-fame, it’s anti cheap fame. It’s against whoring yourself out to get your name in the spotlight, even if you lose dignity

So basically Mitch Albom is whoring himself out writing this piece to get some hits and sell books and thereby loses dignity. In his case it’s read my book I don’t look in the tv camera. Yet I bet he’d go on tv to sell his book! Sounds ironic.

I’m so tired of S8. Bring on S9! Everyone should just chillax about Kris and Adam. Everything will ballance out in the end. Trust me worrying will get you nowhere.

I actually agree with that. All will be fine in the end. Stuff will die down.

It does show that the idea of a backlash because of one article is an overstatement.

Actually it is 2 articles technically. LOL. But give it time, its coming.

There’s just something rather amusing about an article regarding overexposure being ended with the author promoting his own endeavors.

Good Morning Teri63…You “get it”!

Good job finding 5 articles that all talk about the same damn thing. The same damn thing that was already discussed in depth yesterday.

THANK YOU. Exactly.

Well, MJ et al, my point was that you can’t determine a “backlash” based on a small sample of articles.

Isn’t Adam going to host a jingle ball concert today? Any tweet or pic so far?

Though I agree with you that these were discussed yesterday’ ¦It does show that the idea of a backlash because of one article is an overstatement.

It’s a bunch of news outlets regurgitating the LA Times story from Friday (which I posted in two different threads). Nothing new there at all.

Guess I’m the only one not looking forward to Carries special. Will skip it.

Many people have not seen Adam’s performances on Idol, but many saw that travesty he pulled on the AMAs.

American Idol gets roughly twice as many viewers as the AMAs. Also, the AI viewers categorize themselves as being family friendly so that is the image “most people” have of Adam Lambert.

The people watching the AMAs, for the most part, aren’t offended by Adam since they watched through many performances that were also offensive to the family friendly viewership.

So the reasoning of the AMAs being the exposure of Adam Lambert tends to be riddled with erroneous equations. The 1500 people who complained and the far right anti-gay group that has filed an FCC complaint are not the majority of Americans.

The part I feel some of y’all are missing here is that people who watch AI know that Adam Lambert is very talented. But for the majority of the country, the part that does not watch AI, Adam Lambert is famous as the gay guy who made out with a man onstage and then got banned from ABC. Not for his singing, which was not great that night, and not for his songs, which are not played enough on the radio to have an impact yet. This is his claim to fame for the moment, So there will be people who lump him in with all the other crass, fame hungry reality ‘stars’  until he proves otherwise.

I would agree with you on some level it he only did the AMA performance. He has since then done CBS Early Show, Ellen, Letterman all with great performance. The AMA had an audience of 14.5 million. That is not All of America. If we look at the AMA in tunnel vision as his only performance then of course all these arguments have merit. but he has had other performance and does have major talent.

Though I agree with you that these were discussed yesterday’ ¦It does show that the idea of a backlash because of one article is an overstatement.

ITA- I suspect that is why the poster brought them over. If we measure the postive vs the negative articles, right now, it does not appear that there is a backlash.

In regards to people only know Adam for the AMA’s, well, doesn’t AI have more viewers than the AMA? So wasn’t there a greater chance of people seeing Adam perform on AI than the AMAs. As far as the non-AI bubble, well, he’s racking up the peformances which will probably exceed viewership of the AMA. The AMA has done more good for Adam’s career than harm, IMHO. Would he have gotten ALL of the t.v. gigs if it wasn’t for the AMA fallout? And he has/gets to perform on these shows.

Not everyone lives in the American Idol bubble. Most non-Idol viewers, which make up more than those who watch it, don’t know Adam. Their first view of Adam was on the AMAs.

Many people have not seen Adam’s performances on Idol, but many saw that travesty he pulled on the AMAs.

Actually, this is incorrect. According to viewership numbers, millions more people saw Adam perform on AI than watched the AMA’s and since both are music-related shows, I’d bet there were a fair number that saw both.

American Idol gets roughly twice as many viewers as the AMAs. Also, the AI viewers categorize themselves as being family friendly so that is the image ‘most people’  have of Adam Lambert.

It wasn’t people who watched the AMAs. It was the story in the news cycle afterwards. THAT was everywhere. That’s what most people know of Adam.

I think Adam might on some level even agree with Mitch Albom. Some controversy is fine, and it sure doesn’t hurt sales a lot of the time, but their is a fine line between a stunt like what Adam pulled at the AMA’s and the fame whoring of the Salahis for example. Both broke rules in hopes of garnering more publicity, but of course Adam has the talent to back up the publicity while most fame whores don’t. I think that is why Adam has publicly said he is returning the focus to the music. He has a lot of things still to prove in the industry, and being the ring leader of his own publicity circus is not the best way to accomplish that. Of course, the article didn’t need to be so heavy handed, but it is Mitch Albom after all..

Sorry if this was already mentioned: both the recent Time and Newsweek print editions (Dec. 7) have small mentions of the Adam/AMA/ABC thing. By my reading, both positive towards Adam. Not articles, just a brief quote, thumbs up, or BFD.

That’s what most people know of Adam.

And from what I can gather most of the media was supportive of Adam.

It wasn’t people who watched the AMAs. It was the story in the news cycle afterwards. THAT was everywhere. That’s what most people know of Adam.

…isn’t the Idol Finale everywhere in the news cycle the day after the winner’s announced?

dhunken
12/06/2009 at 11:50 am

Good job finding 5 articles that all talk about the same damn thing. The same damn thing that was already discussed in depth yesterday.

Though I agree with you that these were discussed yesterday’ ¦It does show that the idea of a backlash because of one article is an overstatement.

This! I immediately got that the poster wanted to say that 1- 2 articles do not make a trend.

If there is something nobody has questioned (because it is impossible) is Adam ´s talent. Apart from his artistic talent I admire his open attitude, his intelligence and his wit. I also love the support he shows for his friends. For me he is a complete package which few artists are.

Thanks for the HDD article. But they need to do some facts check – WWFM is not the first single and Jimmy’s show is canceled. What also catch my eye is that Somon Fulle is listed as Adam’s manager. Iirc, this is the first time we see that. Hope HDD at least get that right.

I wish people would keep their ‘dirty’  private.

I don’t think kids should be seeing people climbing in and out of other people’s beds nor do I think they should be watching dead bodies on a slab or violence. These scenarios are on the tube every day, day in and day out. Families who want family fare have to subscribe to cable (Nickelodeon, Disney channel, etc.) which is ironic as it is the networks that are supposed to be friendly friendly during prime time.

I agree with Sue, most Americans are hypocritical. After all, we have the ultimate say so. Ratings control what is on, not just the network executives.

It doesn’t surprise me in the least that someone has questioned why Adam Lambert is one of the ‘most fascinating people of the year’.

Seriously!

His claim to fame, if you view him positively, is that he sang and performed very well on a reality TV show.

If you view him neutrally, it’s that a huge media firestorm has grown up around his AMA performance and the fact that he’s an openly gay performer.

And if you view him negatively, it’s the fact that media, record company and Lambert himself have conspired to build a great big smokescreen of ‘interest’ and controversy to launch an artist who, as yet, has achieved very little in the real world.

I’d argue that the positive viewpoint holds true for many an Idol graduate.

IMO, the neutral view holds the truest as to why he’s a talking point at the moment – seizing a zeitgeist moment and pushing a political agenda.

My own view would actually be a combination of all three.

Unfortunately, though I think the man is talented, building all of that media hoopla, without having a product firmly established and embraced at the centre of it, leaves you open to charges of being hollow.

It seems to me that the time to be a zeitgeist figure is after you’ve established your credentials out there in the real world beyond AI, otherwise all anyone will see is a bloke from a TV singing contest, gaining attention for being provocative and nothing else.

It really wouldn’t surprise me at all if ‘sick of hearing about him’ became a more common reaction, unless the singles/album really begin to take off strongly – which is a highly likely scenario – and provide ballast for the publicity.

It would be a real shame if they don’t.

Also as I read the article by Mike Flemming on the overexposed people I get the he is more making an argument against all the people using Adam for hits (in his own admission) and ratings. That he is just their means of getting attention for themselves. I did find his Easy prediction #3 funny. I think something very similar. I have said on here more then once (way before the View olive branch) don’t be surprise to see Adam on the AMA next year.

The more I think about it, the more I feel he knows little about music, especially Adam Lambert. I doubt he has even seen him perform anywhere other than the AMAs. I truly feel he is basing his negative opinion on that one performance.

Probably true. And he won’t be the only one.

Think about it. The people outside the Idol bubble have been hearing about this dude for months. Then, either they watched the AMAs (remember how this was touted as a HUGE opportunity for Adam to reach new audiences) or they saw the HUGE fall-out afterward (and either watched a youtube clip or just went by what they read).

The AMA controversy is all many people know about Adam. They don’t have any sort of duty to listen to his album or watch all his previous or future performances before they make a decision. Certainly, their decision would be more informed if they did do all of that, but nobody has to do that before they make a decision. It’s “just not that deep” for many people.

What they saw on the AMAs followed up with quotes of Adam saying that he felt he had to do what he did in order to stand out that night (after seeing what others were doing) and lots of people are going to think that he’s a “fame whore” and dismissed him. We can accuse them of not giving him a fair chance and reaching stupid conclusions, but those people are too busy moving on to the next thing in their lives to care.

But, you know what, nobody is beloved by everybody. Those people may go through their entire lives thinking of Adam as a “fame whore” and Adam can still have a hugely successful career. Taylor Swift is beast, but only something like 1 in 60 people in the US own her CD. I would not be surprised if 30 out of 60 people in the US haven’t got a freakin’ clue who she is and 2 out of 60 people hate her with the heat of a thousand suns. Doesn’t matter. She has a career because 1 out of 60 like her enough to buy her album. So Yay!

Adam hasn’t got her numbers yet, but all he has to do is keep plugging along showing his talent and converting new people into fans. That’s how it works.

About Mitch Albom’s piece, I would say, finally he’s out of the AMERICAN BUBBLE. Hello?? I’ve known about this “famewhore” culture of the Americans from the moment I first step on the U.S. soil 14 years ago. When kids with abysmal talent (as in too stiff to dance or too out-of-tune to sing) were allowed to participate on school talent shows (yeah, when kids with real talents should have graced the stage); ..when cheerleaders were more popular & highly worshipped over the math or science geniuses; …and when shows like AI dominated television, I knew right then, I will be stucked with famewhores for the rest of my life. I came to accept that part of the American culture and so here I am laughing uncontrollably over a “piece” like this…tissue please!

I am not worried about Adam in the least. He can weather the storm he has created for himself (let’s not forget that). I think he intended to do everything he did on stage that night except fall and sing badly. Those are are the two things I think he regrets and nothing more. The real problem with his performance was the song…not a great choice….it did not provide for a great performance. I don’t think musically it works for a live performance. You throw in a fall, bad sound mix, too much performance that interferred with his ability to really sing well, over the top sexual moves, it just didn’t work and honestly, I think everyone that suppoirts Adam should be grateful that there is so much discussion about the sexual content because if it weren’t for that, I don’t think it would have been that impressive—-wrong song choice.

mj
12/06/2009 at 11:56 am

Though I agree with you that these were discussed yesterday’ ¦It does show that the idea of a backlash because of one article is an overstatement.

It’s a bunch of news outlets regurgitating the LA Times story from Friday (which I posted in two different threads). Nothing new there at all.

Again I do agree that there is not anything new in the article that were posted and MJ you are impeccable when it comes to posting articles on both side of the coin on any Idol, I am just reiterating that one journalist opinion does not make a media backlash. Though he does have some valid points he also has some I don’t think are a fair assessment.

but their is a fine line between a stunt like what Adam pulled at the AMA’s and the fame whoring of the Salahis for example. Both broke rules in hopes of garnering more publicity, but of course Adam has the talent to back up the publicity while most fame whores don’t. I think that is why Adam has publicly said he is returning the focus to the music.

Yep. Getting back on track with the music should put a stop to any developing backlash. If there continues to be a controversy a week…well then…brace yourselves for the backlash: It WILL come.

I am just reiterating that one journalist opinion does not make a media backlash. Though he does have some valid points he also has some I don’t think are a fair assessment.

And I don’t see a bunch of re-hashed news articles as proof of…anything.

Wld it have killed simon to let olly go for his bros wedding. ?. that was just mean , he’s never gonna win the show anyways so why not.

Abt the albom guy, Adam is on the list b/c he IS fascinating to fans and non fans alike, if not all the comments ahead of mine wldn’t be abt him and wld be abt simon being mean to olly lol . seriously i am mad at simon.

anyway like someone said it’s Barbara’s list. make ur own list Albom! . what’s fasinating abt kate of jon &kate plus 8 shld be the question. what’s her talent ? raising 8 kids and getting divorced?

Thanks Adam for keeping the media preoccupied. Britney needed some break while her single “3″ goes platinum. and Lindsey decides if she should stay blonde, or go brunette, or maybe grey, or maybe just shave it all off to emphasize her eyes.

It wasn’t people who watched the AMAs. It was the story in the news cycle afterwards. THAT was everywhere. That’s what most people know of Adam.

For me, at least, though, just hearing about an event and having actually seen an event impacts me very differently. Had I seen Adam on AI and only heard about his AMA performance, I think I would still have his AI persona embedded in my mental image. Again, this is just for me, but had I never seen Adam on either show, I think I’d still be somewhat of a blank slate in terms of my image of him. When I hear described Adam’s performance, it doesn’t have nearly the impact that seeing it performed did. Plus, I think that in terms of public perception, ABC did Adam a favor by canceling his performances on GMA, Kimmel and NYRE because the focus quickly changed from Adam’s dastardly deeds to the whole network hypocrisy thing.

Wld it have killed simon to let olly go for his bros wedding. ?. that was just mean , he’s never gonna win the show anyways so why not.

But look at all the publicity Simon has now garnered for what has turned out to be a terrible season for that show (relatively speaking).

And re the Albom piece, I kind of agreed with most of it until I realized who wrote the column! Mitch Albom? Talk about irony. This is the dude who’ s raked in major bucks because he sells Books For People Who Don’t Read.

what’s fasinating abt kate of jon &kate plus 8

Silly question….their story is fascinating because they pulled the wool over the eyes of a fairly large portion of “middle American TV viewers” who ate up their initial story, and thought that the sun rose and set in this All American couple with their poignant show. A sort of SuBo for the reality world. The story isn’t about Jon and Kate, it is about how invested people can become in someone else’s life and how that over-investment can back fire at the turn of a screw.

I’m not going to rehash the absurdity of Albom’s including Adam Lambert in a list with the Balloon Boy–others have ably pointed out the idiocy of that. It does strike me, in a quick read-through of Albom’s completely unoriginal “fame-is-shallow-oh-woe-is-me-what-is-American-pop-culture-coming-to” column that it is itself a piece of total innocuous fluff carefully designed for hits of a certain sort, and happily feeding off the fame it ridicules.

But I do want to make one point, which is perhaps totally obvious but which I haven’t seen made here yet:

Outside the Idol viewing audience (which is, admittedly, considerable), and the music media, which seems on the whole to appreciate his skills, Adam is unfortunately not yet famous for his talent. But neither, I would argue, is he famous for the whole AMA/ABC drama. That drama just mildly feeds into what he is famous for, which is being a comfortably out pop-star at the start of his career. In my circle of friends (semi-hip, professional 20/30 somethings in a music town) almost no one watches idol, almost no one watched the AMAs, and when I mention Adam they say “oh, that’s the gay guy, right?” For better of for worse, just by virtue of being openly and happily himself, Adam Lambert is breaking into new territory in American popular culture (as Melissa Etheridge, amongst many others, most recently pointed out). THIS is what makes him one of Barbara’s 10 most fascinating people this year, and I’m biased, and an Adam fan, but I’ve gotta say she has a point. Adam has arrived at a crucial watershed moment in our culture, and like it or not he embodies the spirit of that moment. That he is immensely talented and charming too boot only helps that cause. All the various overexposed “gates” that we’ve all been alternately salivating and rolling our eyes over for the past six months–Rolling Stone, sailing undergarments, Details photoshoot, the album cover, the Out magazine debacle, the AMA’s, ABC’s absurd reaction–all these are products of this potent conjunction of a person and a time, and are just further signs of the heat, and, dare I say it, fascination of this moment.

Is Adam courting overexposure–listen, if you’re on Barbara’s list you are by definition doing that–that’s how the media works. But let me just remind you that the majority of Americans have probably still never heard of this guy.

But, you know what, nobody is beloved by everybody. Those people may go through their entire lives thinking of Adam as a ‘fame whore’  and Adam can still have a hugely successful career. Taylor Swift is beast, but only something like 1 in 60 people in the US own her CD. I would not be surprised if 30 out of 60 people in the US haven’t got a freakin’ clue who she is and 2 out of 60 people hate her with the heat of a thousand suns. Doesn’t matter. She has a career because 1 out of 60 like her enough to buy her album. So Yay!

Adam hasn’t got her numbers yet, but all he has to do is keep plugging along showing his talent and converting new people into fans. That’s how it works.

Kirsten I did not want to post your entire post but I agree with it 100%. Very insightful and clearly thought-out.

Adam hasn’t got her numbers yet, but all he has to do is keep plugging along showing his talent and converting new people into fans. That’s how it works.

Nice post, Kirsten!
Thank you for putting all of this back into perspective for us…..

And I don’t see a bunch of re-hashed news articles as proof of’ ¦anything.

Then I am going to leave it as I agree to humbly disagree with you.

My friend is outside the Idol bubble. She only knew about Adam and the AMAs because it was all over the news (and let’s be honest, it WAS). It wasn’t who won because she could give a damn. Same as a lot of co-workers. We talked about it, and she said, Wow, double standard much? Then I told her to listen to his music and she said she would. If Adam wasn’t such a talented and popular artist, who would be interested in any of this?

Answer: NO ONE. Oh, and Adam was booked for Barbara Walters’s show BEFORE the AMAs, not afterward. There has been a lot of press, but I guarantee you that the more Adam performs, the less we hear about all of this. Then people can decide if they like his music and will, as he says, like it or buy someone else’s record. I cannot WAIT for that day.

YMMV

Re: the Babs special, it is titled “most fascinating people” not most accomplished, or most important, or most talented, or best selling, or smartest, or dumbest, or whatever…..now you can argue about whether he is talented or not, or whether coming in runner-up in a singing contest is an accomplishment….but clearly a heck of a lot of people find Adam “fascinating” as evidenced by the media interest….

midwifespal: I love, love, love your post. Thank you!

I just think Mitch Ablom is expressing a “big picture” view of things. He makes a lot of good points in his article, which IMO was thoughtful and well-written.

It seems to me that the time to be a zeitgeist figure is after you’ve established your credentials out there in the real world beyond AI, otherwise all anyone will see is a bloke from a TV singing contest, gaining attention for being provocative and nothing else.

This pretty much sums up my opinion of Adam post-Idol. He’s taken a huge misstep trying to get established outside of AI, IMHO. It would have been nice if people could have focused on the music rather than one “controversy” after another with him.

I was just commenting the other day about how amazed I was that almost 100% of the news articles supported Adam after ABC went on their cancelling spree. So one article, that I didn’t think was so bad, didn’t bother me at all. I would suspect some conservative writers will want to go after him to promote thier beliefs that he is attributing to society going to hell. That is expected. Go on some of the sites for both Lady GAGA and Taylor Swift. You will see posts that love and hate them. Both are on opposite ends of the spectrum but both get hate yet both make millions. And yes, peeps already say Taylor needs to go away. It seems to be part of the beast.

Families who want family fare have to subscribe to cable (Nickelodeon, Disney channel, etc.) which is ironic as it is the networks that are supposed to be friendly friendly during prime time.

I meant family friendly. Phone rang and I didn’t have a chance to edit.

Then I am going to leave it as I agree to humbly disagree with you

Regardless of what other newsoutlets are posting right now–and in my view, all those articles are really ONE article…a rehash of a single news story. Those articles only prove that the Adam/ABC story developed legs.

What’s significant about this morning’s Freep story, is that it could start a chain reaction. This is how the newscycle works–one article begets more articles from other journalists who read the article and go hm… And then it progresses like a snowball rolling down a hill.

If Adam gets back on track, it might not happen. If he keeps making headlines for stuff other than his singing…well, like others of said, watch for the backlash.

The original article is in Spanish. This is a translation…

David Archuleta, an “American Idol” for the family

David Archuleta is the kind of singer that draws whole families. He continues to be the modest teenager, shy, smiley and gifted with voice. Will he record some time in the future in Spanish?… That will take care of itself. ~ Luismi.

ImpactoUSA

Wld it have killed simon to let olly go for his bros wedding. ?. that was just mean , he’s never gonna win the show anyways so why not.

Didn’t Brooke White miss her sister’s wedding during season 7′s AI?

BeckyMD
12/06/2009 at 12:06 pm
Thanks for the HDD article. But they need to do some facts check ‘“ WWFM is not the first single and Jimmy’s show is canceled. What also catch my eye is that Somon Fulle is listed as Adam’s manager. Iirc, this is the first time we see that. Hope HDD at least get that right.

I can’t quote you when and where, but (re: Simon Fuller’s being Adams manager) that is one of the first things I remember reading just after Adam signed with 19E. My husband and I discussed it thinking that it was really a coup.

This pretty much sums up my opinion of Adam post-Idol. He’s taken a huge misstep trying to get established outside of AI, IMHO. It would have been nice if people could have focused on the music rather than one ‘controversy’  after another with him.

If people are truly curious about Adam, he does have an album out there to listen to.

Honestly, I think Barbara Walters should call her show “Ten Fascinating People” instead of MOST fascinating. She would save herself (and the 10 people) a lot of negativity and ridicule.

so does neone think Adam will be back on rocking new years eve? they have yet to announce a lineup..

What they saw on the AMAs followed up with quotes of Adam saying that he felt he had to do what he did in order to stand out that night (after seeing what others were doing) and lots of people are going to think that he’s a ‘fame whore’  and dismissed him.

Adam also said he was simply interpreting the lyrics of his song and that what he did was no different from what has been done countless times before by other female performers. Neither of these responses supports a “fame whore” argument and it’s just as likely that people have made judgments based on these comments.

Think about it. The people outside the Idol bubble have been hearing about this dude for months.

The AMA controversy is all many people know about Adam.

To me, these two statements in your post are inconsistent. I do think people outside the bubble have been hearing about Adam for months and probably what most people have heard is that he’s the eyeliner-wearing gay guy with the big voice who lost. In the vast majority of articles I’ve read about Adam, there is almost always a reference to his voice – the power it has and the uniqueness and rarity of it, especially in pop music. I think to a large degree that has seeped into the public consciousness even with respect to people who didn’t follow AI and have never heard him sing.

I think the backlash is going to depend on how ADam handles all these interviews this week. To bad Barbara Walter’s special was taped the day AFTER the AMA’s. Since his reflection, he doesn’t express himself the same way now as he did then. But he will have the View and LKL to have to talk more about it. Right now, he looks pretty good b/c of ABC’s excessive punishment. THe focus turned to them as the bad guys. He needs to be careful so that it stays there. I agree it could easily turn on him but, honestly, most peeps I talk to really don’t care.

Silly question’ ¦.their story is fascinating because they pulled the wool over the eyes of a fairly large portion of ‘middle American TV viewers’  who ate up their initial story, and thought that the sun rose and set in this All American couple with their poignant show. A sort of SuBo for the reality world. The story isn’t about Jon and Kate, it is about how invested people can become in someone else’s life and how that over-investment can back fire at the turn of a screw.

Exactly. There’s a huge lesson and/or cautionary tale in that for those who overinvest and start devoting large chunks of their lives and money to people from AI. (or any celeb really, but this is an AI blog and the AI fan fantasy/obsession is most relevant and evident).

Both broke rules in hopes of garnering more publicity, but of course Adam has the talent to back up the publicity while most fame whores don’t.

At least one person in the bubble boy story stated publicly that the stunt was done to get on a TV show, so I think it’s pretty clear that “broke rules in hopes of garnering more publicity” is factually accurate in that case. I’ve not read/heard everything in the Adam story, but what I have read is at odds with this statement. I’ve seen things like “heat of the moment”, “interpreting the lyrics”, but nothing like “hoping to get publicity”. Of course, people don’t always state things like that, even if it is their secret hope, so maybe Adam is dissembling, or maybe the above is an incorrect summary of Adam’s reasons for breaking the rules

(Btw, is it a fact that a rule was broken? Other than some items on a word list and exposure of certain body parts, I actually don’t know what the rules are. I remember as a kid hearing that you couldn’t show someone in bed unless one foot was on the floor, but I assume that was a joke or is no longer a rule. Shows how fluid this stuff is. I hope someone gives all these idols the rule book, though.)

This is OT but I am having trouble finding where to vote on the VH1 site. Can anyone help me?

Now I think about it, the “Adam media backlash” actually already started right after AMAs. Remember all the negative presses he got that night and following couple of days? All the haters jumped out and more than willing to cast the first stone? Even the AI friendly Michael Slezak was disappointed. Lindsey Parker had to agree that “Adam is only a human”.
However, ABC is the one got all the media bash after all the cancellations. ABC became the biggest bully on the block and Adam was saved and on his way to become even a brighter star.
As a fan of Adam, I certainly hope it won’t happen again. But knowing Adam, it’s guaranteed that it’ll, if not in the nearest future. I just hope by then he’ll be more resilient and he’ll have strong enough stardom to
withstand any kind of storm.

What’s significant about this morning’s Freep story, is that it could start a chain reaction. This is how the newscycle works’“one article begets more articles from other journalists who read the article and go hm’ ¦ And then it progresses like a snowball rolling down a hill.

If Adam gets back on track, it might not happen. If he keeps making headlines for stuff other than his singing’ ¦well, like others of said, watch for the backlash.

EXACTLY. That’s how the mini backlash starts. If he goes on the View and argues with Elizabeth, if he generates more press for something he says defiantly on Barbara Walters’ special, then I predict some anti-Adam articles (along with some pro-Adam). The sooner he gets famous for something other than this incident the better.

To me, what is happening now is part blessing (he gets known as the brave crusading gay guy to some) and part curse (he gets known as the guy who’s only claim to fame is being the gay guy who makes good tabloid news). I think he has good music to back it all up, but so far his good performances outside the AMAs have not resulted in much media buzz. All they want to talk about is the controversey, so that is how he is branded at the moment.

Think about it. The people outside the Idol bubble have been hearing about this dude for months.

The AMA controversy is all many people know about Adam.

What about the endless number of awesome reviews? Are you suggesting that no one reads music reviews?

If Adam gets back on track, it might not happen. If he keeps making headlines for stuff other than his singing’ ¦well, like others of said, watch for the backlash.

I agree. I think he has started to focus on the music. He even said as much at the San Diego Hard Rock Cafe dedication of his Kiss outfit. He said “I think I have said everything I needed to say on that subject. It is time to move on” (may not be an exact quote but close). So I think his focus seems (I say seems as I don’t know him or have talked to him. Though I wish I could ) to be on getting back on track.

http://www.vh1.com/shows/series/top_20_countdown/

There’s a big VOTE button in orange.

Thanks for bringing it to my attention.

Didn’t Brooke White miss her sister’s wedding during season 7′s AI?

Yes. And the press didn’t make a big damn deal about it, either.

It’s sad for Olly that he had to miss his twin’s wedding, but thems the breaks. When you sign up for a reality show, you sign your life away for the time being. It’s like being in the army.

This is OT but I am having trouble finding where to vote on the VH1 site. Can anyone help me?

http://www.vh1.com/shows/series/top_20_countdown/vote.jhtml

scroll down a little to find FYE MV

After you submit the vote, you can click the ‘Rank’em again’ button to cast another vote.

While it’s great that Archie is getting great reviews for his Christmas album, when he is going to put out a new single and when will his 2nd album (not including the Xmas one) get released. I know “Crush” was a huge hit, but did he have a 2nd single from his 1st album? If so, what was it, and how did it do?

I’ve seen things like ‘heat of the moment’ , ‘interpreting the lyrics’ , but nothing like ‘hoping to get publicity’ .

Adam said that Lady Gaga’s performance made him feel competitive. And I suspect, that, sitting in the audience watching all of these OTT performances, Adam started to worry that his performance would not be water-cooler worthy in comparison. I think there was an element of pre-meditation at work here.

Oh yeah — a couple of events to track for tonight. Hopefully there will be tweets, pics and video…

Kris is performing at a JingleBall in Buffalo, NY

Adam is hosting a JingleBall in Minneapolis, MN — and Jordin is one of the performers

Also, it looks like Allison is no longer on the bill for the Orlando JingleBall on Dec. 18. Anyone know what happened with that?

David Cook is name checked in an article about QB Tom Brady:
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5i7dvbp3aays7YXQ3_qVtZBMATvxQD9CDSE0G0

No need to click on it really. This is all it says, but nice compliment:

Brady is the NFL’s rock star, as much The Boss as Springsteen, as much the American Idol as David Cook.

Also, it looks like Allison is no longer on the bill for the Orlando JingleBall on Dec. 18. Anyone know what happened with that?

Can it have something to do with the Kimmel gig she got instead of Adam?

I know ‘Crush’  was a huge hit, but did he have a 2nd single from his 1st album? If so, what was it, and how did it do?

The second single was A Little Too Not Over You. There was a video. Both went nowhere. Consider this given that Crush sold something like 2 million, IIRC. Other Archie fans can provide more info and also on the next album — Archie’s been writing songs with co-writers.

Archie deserved MUCH better songs for his first album. Unlike Archie’s album, Adam’s album has some very good songs that showcase Adam’s talent.

So I’m hoping for much better material — with more nuance and broader appeal — to showcase Archie’s talents on the sophomore album.

ETA: I would be interested in knowing how the whole VH1 thing works. I’m not at all convinced that the countdown is based solely or mostly on votes.

Adam started to worry that his performance would not be water-cooler worthy in comparison

Or he just got really pushed by her performance and wanted to be just as edgy. Doesn’t have to include a thought about making headlines.

Also, on the VH1 video Top 20 voting, you can vote for Kris’ music video as well as for Adam’s! Kris was #10 on the countdown for the current weekend and I’m hoping he will move up for next weekend while Adam can make his debut on the countdown.

Anyone care to speculate what Adam’s new tweet means?

Adam Lambert:
Which two new ones?!

What about the endless number of awesome reviews? Are you suggesting that no one reads music reviews?

Adam has had some great reviews of his CD….but IMO, the average person does not read music reviews. And the average person has yet to hear any of his music because he has yet to get much radio play. What they do know is that he was on American Idol and then the disaster performance on the AMA’s. And now the articles that have hit the mainstream press and the front page of AOL, Yahoo, etc. are ad nauseam rehashing the controversies with ABC and GLAAD. He has become joke material for late night TV…like Balloon Boy, John & Kate, Tiger, etc. I am not in marketing and don’t know how the foundation for Adam Lambert the Brand is being laid, but not so sure that continued coverage of all of this on LKL, BW special and the View is a good thing.

The guy who wrote the 10 Most Overexposed article says:

Easy Prediction #1: If it’s not Taylor Swift, we’ll eat our hats. Again, since Barbara’s not-so-special special is an annual contest of overexposure, the teen sweetheart (she turns 20 this month) wins, hands down.

And this writer makes the same prediction:

http://blogs.ajc.com/radio-tv-talk/2009/12/01/barbara-walters-most-fascinating-people-sarah-palin-adam-lambert-tyler-perry-et-al/

I think they’re BOTH going to have to eat their hats, since I could swear I heard Baba say that it was a toss-up between Adam and Taylor until the AMA’s, when Adam clinched his spot on the list. So obviously Taylor isn’t No.1. Tiger is.

Thanks HappyDaisy!

Anyone care to speculate what Adam’s new tweet means?

Adam Lambert:
Which two new ones?!

It’s a respons to Megan Joy. She tweeted, asking if he’d seen her 2 new songs. She also said she had finished 8 more.

X Factor: John and Edward’s response to the bottles being thrown at them
On being pelted with bottles at a nightclub this week by anti-Jedward fans: “The bottles came flying from the crowd but we didn’t need to be hydrated – we were fine.

“It added to our stage show. A special effect.”

And when I asked them how they had such thick skins John replied: “We haven’t. But could you imagine if we had really thick skin. We’d just look so weird.”

Jedward are genius. End of.

Anyone care to speculate what Adam’s new tweet means?

Adam Lambert:
Which two new ones?!

Adam’s responding to Meaghan and her new songs.

The second single was A Little Too Not Over You. There was a video. Both went nowhere.

The second song was a hit on Radio Disney. He has receded a bit from the mainstream but has kept a steady presence in the tween/young teen market. I think the Christmas album may be an attempt to reconnect with adult listeners. Or not. I really have no idea.

If Adam gets back on track, it might not happen. If he keeps making headlines for stuff other than his singing’ ¦well, like others of said, watch for the backlash.

I was very disappointed with Adam’s AMA performance for artistic reasons – FYE is not a great song, IMO, and needed a much better performance for it to highlight him.Personally, I had no problem with the stuff that generated the buzz. So in that sense, I do want him to get back on track giving killer performances.

That said, I think the media backlash thing is not his fault, though he’ll have to deal with it. Who makes headlines? The media. Who decides what’s newsworthy? The media. Who decided that Adam’s choreography was newsworthy? The media. Regular people are either sick of it or still enjoying talking about it. But if the media is sick of it, there will be media backlash in reaction to the media deciding to talk about.

People who are inherently conventional can easily avoid this cycle. People who have an occassional unconventional streak can avoid it if they are aware of the media’s mood and are able to modify their public behaviour consistently. It behooves people to do that in their private lives, for sure. I’m not sure if the same applies to artistic expression. Yes, the music is a huge part, even the main part of Adam’s performance. But self-editing of spontaneous choreography, no matter how prudent that may be, is totally different than making headlines for, say, nightclubbing. A performer making headlines for their performance is not so bad. Especially if the performer is known to think of the whole package: the story, the music, the sets, costumes, lighting, etc. I think Adam is saying it’s not all about the music. The music is one piece. A hugely important one, but it’s not the only one.

Whether that’s wise, from a career standpoint, I don’t know. But it’s a perfectly valid thing to ask of the audience. FWIW, I think of this whenever people complain that Allison’s songs are too old for her or reflect an unpleasant viewpoint. TV and movies often have perfectly nice people act as if they’re bad or troubled or sociopathic. We accept the performance to show us that side of life. There’s no reason that kind of portrayal isn’t appropriate from singers. It’s not always them portraying their own lives. That’s only one thing music can do.

(Obviously, this isn’t all in direct response to your comment, it just got me thinking)

Here’s a thought….Adam’s visit on The View may me his punishment for pissing off ABC. You want back on our network? Go sit with Hasselbeck and get your ass kicked and then we’ll think about it!

I know ‘Crush’  was a huge hit, but did he have a 2nd single from his 1st album? If so, what was it, and how did it do?

Here you go girlygirl

Year Single Peak chart positions

2008 “Crush” 2
2009 “A Little Too Not Over You” 114
” Touch My Hand” 102

It’s a respons to Megan Joy. She tweeted, asking if he’d seen her 2 new songs. She also said she had finished 8 more.

Then why doesn’t he hit the “reply” button on her tweet so people will know that?

alaadam

He was probably just responding to Megan’s tweet asking him if he had heard her 2 new songs yet. He simply forgot to @ reply her

Thanks dhunken! It’s strange that his 2nd single did so poorly. Have to admit I’ve never heard it — is it that bad? Or not radio friendly? It seems like “Crush” should have given Archie more momentum for his 2nd single

from @Meganjoysings

@adamlambert go to my myspace! Feel love and Incomplete! And I finished 8 others!
7 minutes ago from web in reply to adamlambert

from @adamlambert
Which two new ones?!
15 minutes ago from Echofon

from @Meganjoysings

@adamlambert did you listen to my two new ones?!
35 minutes ago from web in reply to adamlambert

I’ll eat my hat if Taylor is the surprise person on Barbara’s list. Taylor is very famous and selling tons of records, but fascinating? It’s not Tiger either because he really wasn’t a news magnet outside of the sports world until his personal life became public. That happened too recently and he’s not coming out of the house till he mends his face and his personal life.

So who is it? I have no idea! Unless it’s Simon

Is Barbara’s #1 Susan Boyles?

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Then why doesn’t he hit the ‘reply’  button on her tweet so people will know that?

Let me just say this isn’t the first time Adam failed in twitter.

Is Barbara’s #1 Susan Boyles?

Hmm, yeah… could be.

Then why doesn’t he hit the ‘reply’  button on her tweet so people will know that?

Damn him there he goes not being perfect again! J/K I think he is still trying to figure twitter out. I know I am.

While it’s great that Archie is getting great reviews for his Christmas album, when he is going to put out a new single and when will his 2nd album (not including the Xmas one) get released. I know ‘Crush’  was a huge hit, but did he have a 2nd single from his 1st album? If so, what was it, and how did it do?

His next album is due out in 2010. Archie says this time there really is no real deadline he needs to meet, so he is able to work at a more leisurely pace on the 3rd album. This also affords him time to concentrate on quality rather than quantity. He already has quite a lot of songs already finished and made into demos ready for the picking since he has been working steadily on writing with other songwriters this past October and November. After the Christmas tour, he will have more time to work on more songs.

Yes, he did have a second single from the first album. It’s called A Little Too Not Over You. It did not do nearly as well as Crush though. Sales for the single have been around 160,000.

Let me just say this isn’t the first time Adam failed in twitter.

LOL! So true…

It was my belief after reading Barbara’s quote that the choice came down to interview EITHER Taylor or Adam. So I don’t think Taylor Swift even made the list. Honestly, just because she’s megasuccessful, doesn’t make her “fascinating” (IMO, anyway)

“So who is it? I have no idea! Unless it’s Simon”

Someone posted this the other day, so it’s not original thought here, but I tended to agree that it could be Michele Obama. That would make sense. I don’t think it’s Taylor Swift because Barbara Walters was quoted in some interview saying that after she had picked Adam, she second guessed herself as to whether she should have picked Taylor. Then, she said, the AMA performance happened, and her response was something like, “aaah, we picked the fascinating one.” I can’t remember where I saw this quote, but it was just a few days ago.

Adam failed

Whoa! Adam does NOT fail. Nevereverevereverever.

At least that’s what I’ve read.

Oh, and while Adam had twitter fail, it wasn’t as bad as Cale last night. He tweeted about being down for a twitter party, then never responded after lots of people tweeted him questions! LOL – That is NOT how you host a twitter party

Maybe BW wanted to balance female/male also. Palin, Gaga, Kate…

girlygirl
12/06/2009 at 1:13 pm

Thanks dhunken! It’s strange that his 2nd single did so poorly. Have to admit I’ve never heard it ‘” is it that bad? Or not radio friendly? It seems like ‘Crush’  should have given Archie more momentum for his 2nd single

I personally like the second song though it may have not been as radio friendly as Crush.

Here is a youtube link of the song

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6klht6MtPSg

He did sing it on Idol

Here is Touch my hand Aol sessions

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JVW5gU1ZH1A

Adam said that Lady Gaga’s performance made him feel competitive. And I suspect, that, sitting in the audience watching all of these OTT performances, Adam started to worry that his performance would not be water-cooler worthy in comparison. I think there was an element of pre-meditation at work here.

You know, I could see that with regard to the kiss. It was so prominent, non-missable and in parallel with what women have done. Maybe premeditated and or maybe just sort of so. But that’s my interpretation, it’s not a fact, like the Bubble boy thing.

Personally, I doubt the move that alledgedly is ABC’s sticking point was pre-meditated. From what I’ve seen, it’s a few inch variation of the usual choreography, the kind of difference that could happen inadvertently, or feel like a trivial variation of what had been done, or be so familiar from prior live performances to no register to Adam as being different. That, too, is just a guess, of course.

I do think it’s telling that there’s just as much, or more, buzz in the MSM about the kiss, which was not censored or censorable, as the suggested fellatio. My own interpretation, which is totally based on my own reaction, is that it was so brief and stylized as to not register with most people on watching the show. The kiss, on the other hand, was unmissable, except, in watching, I couldn’t tell that Tommy was a guy (sorry, dude, or YAY! dude, depending).

In any case, depending on what the op meant about “rules”, I’m still not comfortable saying that Adam’s situation is comparable to Bubble Boy’s – knowingly breaking the rules in hopes of getting publicity. It’s a reasonable opinion, not an established fact.

Since Tiger has been brought up in this thread, I wanted to share this:

http://ow.ly/IjEo

Is Barbara’s #1 Susan Boyles?

I think that is a strong possibility.

midwifespal
12/06/2009 at 12:26 pm

thank you..a pleasure to read (sent that one to the printer)

Morning iTunes overall chart update:

songs:

LLWD #34
FYE #130
WWFM #178
FIBOU #295 (Scars is at #249)

albums:

Christmas from the Heart #14
Just Like You (Deluxe album) #49; (regular album) #189
For Your Entertainment #82 and #103 (doesn’t say which is the Deluxe)
Kris Allen #134 (regular album); #683 (Deluxe album)

I will say that there are a TON of holiday albums on the iTunes charts — in fact 3 of the top 5 albums on the chart are holday ones. So maybe after the holiday rush is over, Adam, Kris and Allison will see their albums do better on this chart

Since Tiger has been brought up in this thread, I wanted to share this: http://ow.ly/IjEo

will, I’ve watched that one several times since you last posted it. Hilarious! Thanks!

Adam started to worry that his performance would not be water-cooler worthy in comparison

Or he just got really pushed by her performance and wanted to be just as edgy. Doesn’t have to include a thought about making headlines.

THIS! And he has admitted that 1) the adrenalin got the best of hiim, and 2) he is most disappointed by his vocals (yep, that is what I noticed most of all). I wish he could just saaang again, which is why I am NOT thrilled about him being on Walters’s show OR on LKL and *am* about Conan and Leno.

BTW, Adam’s bandmates are currently having Twitter parties. If you become one of Monte’s angels or Longineu’s outlaws, you get a number and then they follow you. So cute! Waiting for Tommy and Lisa (who barely knows how to tweet) to follow.

Just Like You (Deluxe album) #49; (regular album) #189
For Your Entertainment #82 and #103 (doesn’t say which is the Deluxe)
Kris Allen #134 (regular album); #683 (Deluxe album)

The #103 is the deluxe album.

He will sing on the view though, Sue.

In any case, depending on what the op meant about ‘rules’ , I’m still not comfortable saying that Adam’s situation is comparable to Bubble Boy’s ‘“ knowingly breaking the rules in hopes of getting publicity. It’s a reasonable opinion, not an established fact.

First off, I have absolutely no idea what you are talking about with “bubble boy”. You have said that several times, do you mean balloon boy? When I say Adam broke the rules, I mean he added things to his performance that were not previously agreed upon with ABC. He broke their trust by going off script. When you go off script on live television you know you are going to have people upset with you, and generate controversy, so yes I think Adam’s situation is in some ways similar to balloon boy and the salahis who knew there actions would make some people upset and generate controversy.

The #103 is the deluxe album.

There was some report that the deluxe version is pulled by the record company. It’s not downloadable anymore.

Claude Kelly is still in the studio with DC..and he’s still spazzing LMAO

@ClaudeKelly: back in the studio with @thedavidcook. Let the magic continue…

@ClaudeKelly: aaaaaaaannnnnnnnnd Boom goes the dynamite. @thedavidcook

Magic and explosions. Must be one hell of a session!

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WWFM will never get to #1 (thanks, Owl City, gag), but Top 10 was fine with me!!!

You might not get through, but I usually do at least a few times. And someone from here, as noted last night, was put on the air. lol

saga

hmm, that’s strange. I wonder if that’s the case with Kris’ as well? Maybe the deluxe versions are only available for a couple weeks?

The #103 is the deluxe album.

It was totally worth the extra money for the deluxe album to get Down the Rabbit Hole and Master Plan. They are great. So glad they were offered as bonus tracks.

http://www.vh1.com/shows/series/top_20_countdown/vote.jhtml

Vote, several Idols to choose from but if you are looking for Adam, for example, scroll down till you find his name and then drag FYE over to the #1 spot if you so choose.

Oh yeah, I agree it’s probably Susan Boyle. She was in the country so the timing for an interview is right and people can say what they want but her rags to riches story is fascinating.

I personally like the second song though it may have not been as radio friendly as Crush.

Here is a youtube link of the song

TMH was not his second single. It was not even a single. His second one A Little Too Not Over You, which Jive dropped the ball on before they even let it go for adds because they wanted to focus on the 2nd album.

I do think it’s telling that there’s just as much, or more, buzz in the MSM about the kiss, which was not censored or censorable, as the suggested fellatio.

I think the media focused on the kiss because the media was crafting the story they wanted to tell – which is that gays still aren’t accepted on mainstream TV. Has nothing to do with what actually upset ABC. Talking about the oral sex and giving the finger would have hurt the angle they were going for and given more credence to ABC’s actions, which was not the point of the story.

Girlygirl Here is a youtube video for Touch my Hand that is really good at showing David A fans and how good he really is on stage. I really liked this song too.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4KYHipVyUtk&feature=channel

Oh yeah, I agree it’s probably Susan Boyle. She was in the country so the timing for an interview is right and people can say what they want but her rags to riches story is fascinating.

I think the most fascinating thing about her is that she gets criticism left and right in my community. she is often still made fun of but she can sell the hell out of some albums. I swear, I have not talked to one single person that has bought her CD. I guess I live in a little world but you would think she would be blasting them in conservative south Alabama.

Oh yeah, I agree it’s probably Susan Boyle. She was in the country so the timing for an interview is right and people can say what they want but her rags to riches story is fascinating.

My vote would be Susan Boyle. Like her or not she really has the most fascinating story of the year.

His second one A Little Too Not Over You, which Jive dropped the ball on before they even let it go for adds because they wanted to focus on the 2nd album.

Do you mean the Christmas album or the regular album coming out in 2010? Why did they invest in a video for ALTNOY?

Thanks tinawina, for the info on Radio Disney.

Talking about the oral sex and giving the finger would have hurt the angle they were going for and given more credence to ABC’s actions, which was not the point of the story.

The finger was never shown so that’s definetely not the problem…

Oh, and while Adam had twitter fail, it wasn’t as bad as Cale last night

who is cale?

Girlygirl Here is a youtube video for Touch my Hand that is really good at showing David A fans and how good he really is on stage. I really liked this song too.

thanks for this. i love archie’s performance and touch my hand is my favourite off his album. i loved how he performed this song during AI this year too. so full of confidence and adorableness.

Girlygirl:

Since you posted the iTunes stats, LLWD has moved up another spot to #33, #20 pop.

Re: albums – Kris has shown positive movement over the last couple of days. The overall chart is so cluttered with Christmas stuff that I’ll post only the Pop album chart:

Allison #10
Adam #12 & #14
Kris #18 (was #22 a couple of days ago)

Does anyone have Quick Cut info they can post from overnight?

who is cale?

i maybe wrong but the Cale i know is Cale Mills from Kris and the Kick Awesome Band…

saga
12/06/2009 at 1:28 pm

He will sing on the view though, Sue.

Good point. Thanks. I keep forgetting this singing part. lol He is also hosting this video show on Logo tomorrow at 7PM. I assume he’ll play LLWD and FYE, but I don’t know anything about this show. I am looking forward to it, however.

BTW, Larry King is at the Dolphins game today. I assume he is a Dolphins fan. Sadz for him, b/c/ the Patriots are currently up 14-0. Oh, and Ryan mentioned the Adison contest on AT 40 today.

ETA: The kiss didn’t bother me in the slightest. There were other parts of the performance that did (I loved the ninja roll, however). And now LK is happier, b/c the Dolphins just scored. Boo.

yay for kris! thanks for the info eileen99

TMH was not his second single. It was not even a single. His second one A Little Too Not Over You, which Jive dropped the ball on before they even let it go for adds because they wanted to focus on the 2nd album.

Um I think I did say his second single was A Little Too Not Over You, and Touch my hand was a single. Or it at least charted and it had a music video made for it.

That said, I think the media backlash thing is not his fault, though he’ll have to deal with it. Who makes headlines? The media. Who decides what’s newsworthy?

Doesn’t Babs get criticized every year for her list of most fascinating people? So this isn’t anything new. Am I correct on that?

I don’t see this as media backlash, but it will be soon if the media picks up on the “Glamberts Fear Media Backlash!” And little old Freep.com folks will have a good chuckle and pat themselves on the back.

Then it becomes a self fulfilling prophecy. If Adam is polite and keeps the focus on his music, I don’t think there will be a media backlash. Also, now that ABC is putting him on its network, the news cycle on the banning is over. Keep in mind, the story really wasn’t how Adam performed on the AMA’s but ABC’s reaction and subsequent banning.

Allison #10
Adam #12 & #14
Kris #18 (was #22 a couple of days ago)

While the controversy mqy be hindering Adam’s sales, the non-contrversy does not seem to be really helping the other idols sales especially when you look at where they place on the overall charts. So which is it, contraversy sells or non contraversy sells? The spirit of Christmas definitely seems to affect sells-christmas albums are all on the rise.

i maybe wrong but the Cale i know is Cale Mills from Kris and the Kick Awesome Band‘ ¦

is that the name of the band?

Do you mean the Christmas album or the regular album coming out in 2010? Why did they invest in a video for ALTNOY?

Oh man, this is all coming from my fuzzy memory, so I may have some details wrong. But at the time I’m pretty sure at the time the plan as for Archie to go into the studio and rush out another pop album that summer (?). But then something happened (don’t remember what) at Archie announced a Christmas album instead with another pop one coming next year.

If they had stuck to the orignal plan, he would have had product out around the time he won the Teen Choice Award.But the trade off is it would have been a rush job.

Have mentioned this before….I watch LKL quite a bit. 99% of the time when he has an entertainer or singer on they do sing at the end of the show. I believe he will sing.

I agree. I think he has started to focus on the music. He even said as much at the San Diego Hard Rock Cafe dedication of his Kiss outfit. He said ‘I think I have said everything I needed to say on that subject. It is time to move on’  (may not be an exact quote but close). So I think his focus seems (I say seems as I don’t know him or have talked to him. Though I wish I could ) to be on getting back on track.

Just because Adam focuses on the music doesn’t mean the media will. Tiger Woods wants to focus on his golf, does that mean the media will? Jennifer Anistin gets interviewed about a new movie, instead of talking about the movie, she gets asked about her love life, John Mayer gets asked about all his gfs, etc. Most people want to know about the non-career stuff. If that wasn’t true, the media wouldn’t focus on all of the non-career stuff. I’m not saying controversy is good but that doesn’t mean its the end everything. Look at Britney Spears, people love a comback story.

I don’t understand why people are saying Adam might not get back on track. His CD has been out for 2 weeks now, how can one predict a career is over due to 1 performance? All of the articles aren’t even against Adam. I dunno. I guess its all in how you look at stuff.

It was my belief after reading Barbara’s quote that the choice came down to interview EITHER Taylor or Adam. So I don’t think Taylor Swift even made the list.

thats how i took it too.

Thanks for all the info on Archie’s 2nd single, everyone!

oh, and Cale is Cale Mills, Kris’ friend/band mate

Keep in mind, the story really wasn’t how Adam performed on the AMA’s but ABC’s reaction and subsequent banning.

Agree!

While the controversy mqy be hindering Adam’s sales, the non-contrversy does not seem to be really helping the other idols sales especially when you look at where they place on the overall charts. So which is it, contraversy sells or non contraversy sells? The spirit of Christmas definitely seems to affect sells-christmas albums are all on the rise.

Unless someone does market research and publishes the results we will never really know. His sales now may be all about his idol popularity, or it may include a significant amount of new people drawn in by the controversy. Personally I would love to know so I could find out if my original assessment of Adam’s popularity level was correct. LOL.

Since you posted the iTunes stats, LLWD has moved up another spot to #33,

Keeps moving like that and LLWD will have a new iTunes peak.

Doesn’t Babs get criticized every year for her list of most fascinating people? So this isn’t anything new. Am I correct on that?

yup. you are correct! You can’t please everyone. That is just life. If everyone thought the same people were fascinating or whatever the world would be a boring place.

I don’t see this as media backlash, but it will be soon if the media picks up on the ‘Glamberts Fear Media Backlash!’ 

Yup!! I’m finally understanding now how fans can create problems for the person they supposedly adore. lol We need an order of chill pills!!

Then it becomes a self fulfilling prophecy. If Adam is polite and keeps the focus on his music, I don’t think there will be a media backlash. Also, now that ABC is putting him on its network, the news cycle on the banning is over. Keep in mind, the story really wasn’t how Adam performed on the AMA’s but ABC’s reaction and subsequent banning.

Yup!! So so so so true

BeckyMD

haha — no. Some of us were kicking around names for the band on the Kris thread last night. But they don’t have a name yet, as far as I know.

Kris doesn’t like the phrase “Kick Awesome” (I bet he wishes he had just gone with his gut and said kick ass in that interview), so I doubt he’d want to name the band that.

The suggestions I made for the band name are:

Bunch of Hot Dorks (because most of the guys in the band are hot, and they all appear to be dorks as well)

or

C.R.A.C.K. – which simply stands for the names of the guys (Chris (bass), Ryland (drums), Andrew (lead guitar), Cale (guitar/keyboards) and Kris)

Have mentioned this before’ ¦.I watch LKL quite a bit. 99% of the time when he has an entertainer or singer on they do sing at the end of the show. I believe he will sing.

I hope so too!!

Keep in mind, the story really wasn’t how Adam performed on the AMA’s but ABC’s reaction and subsequent banning

BUT if Adam hadn’t performed that way there wouldn’t have been a reaction or banning so in my books Adam is the story.

I just want all this crap to go away. I can’t even listen to the song FYE. Enough is enough already.

Suebrody

You mean the Kradison contest…not Adison. New York has pulled fairly far ahead in that voting, so people won’t have to whine about it being in Kris’ home state. That’s probably for the best — NYC is a nice neutral site.

Have mentioned this before’ ¦.I watch LKL quite a bit. 99% of the time when he has an entertainer or singer on they do sing at the end of the show. I believe he will sing.

OK, then I am fine with it. But Adam on the View feels like watching a horror movie.

Um I think I did say his second single was A Little Too Not Over You, and Touch my hand was a single. Or it at least charted and it had a music video made for it.

I wouldn’t call Touch My Hand an actual single because it was never submitted for radio play. And, yes, I agree that Jive dropped the ball on ALTNOY. For some reason, it was never sent for adds for the HAC format. That I think is a major reason for its demise. It is more of an HAC song then it is a Top 40 song. Because it was never released to HAC, it was also not eligible for the VH1 countdowns as well as the VH1 music video programs since VH1 is HAC.

Bunch of Hot Dorks (because most of the guys in the band are hot, and they all appear to be dorks as well)

girlygirl, no need to be polite. i think all of the guys in kris’s band are dorky hot, except well…. with the exception of the drummer!

Just voted for FYE on VH! (actually dozens of times). It says that this video has 20,243 views. Anyone know if this is low, high ??

Also, I agree that Barbara Walters 10 most Facinating People show gets criticizism every year. People have to just lighten up. I LOL at some of these websites give their opinion and I and most everyone else have never even heard of these fly by night sites

I like the title of Baba Wawa’s special ‘“ America’s Most Overexposed’ ¦very funny.
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LMAO

I have never seen one second of The View. Is it a decent show — or is it a trainwreck?

C.R.A.C.K. ‘“ which simply stands for the names of the guys (Chris (bass), Ryland (drums), Andrew (lead guitar), Cale (guitar/keyboards) and Kris)

CRACK is a cool name! But if judge from Kris’ album name and his publishing company’s name, they may just call it ‘Kris’ awesome band’.

New York has pulled fairly far ahead in that voting, so people won’t have to whine about it being in Kris’ home state. That’s probably for the best ‘” NYC is a nice neutral site.

Ohh, I hope NYC wins! I really want to go to that Kradison concert, and AR is a little out of the way for me! Very cool.

Luval

That total is similar to the number of views LLWD had on that site when it was first made available. So it is probably average? Or at least average for someone connected with Idol? Maybe?

girlygirl
12/06/2009 at 2:01 pm

I have never seen one second of The View. Is it a decent show ‘” or is it a trainwreck?

I guess it may go either way for the guest?

Another thing about the “media backlash”, if it was so severe, the other networks wouldn’t be scrambling to get Adam on their shows. He’s also performing – not only interviewing, and those performances are getting good reviews. So he’s already getting back on track.

New York has pulled fairly far ahead in that voting, so people won’t have to whine about it being in Kris’ home state. That’s probably for the best ‘” NYC is a nice neutral site.

Thank goodness. I don’t like the idea of the concert but if they’re going to do it they should go to a neutral place. No hometowns.

I have never seen one second of The View. Is it a decent show ‘” or is it a trainwreck?

Some of both actually. The problem I have with the show is when they talk about their opinions on issues in the beginning, they never use any facts. That is just me though. I get annoyed when people act like they’re right without backing their opinions up with facts. Its probably because I work in law though. lol

You mean the Kradison contest’ ¦not Adison. New York has pulled fairly far ahead in that voting, so people won’t have to whine about it being in Kris’ home state. That’s probably for the best ‘” NYC is a nice neutral site.

Thanks. Sorry. I can’t multi-task; post and tweet about the Patriots game. No offense, Kris!! I am really over the term, but hey, if that’s the name of the concert, so be it (then we can put it to rest). I hope it’s in NYC, too. I will try to get there; so will a gazillion people, of course.

I actually looking forward to The View. I think it could be quite entertaining (plus it will the day after the Barbara Walters’ program). I want to see Elisabeth Hasselback cringe when Adam politely makes her look like the eejit she is.

Archie fans: Which single was it that he sang on Idol this year? Was it the second single that we’ve been discussing? I remember his performance didn’t make much of an impression on me, but that’s just my take. What did the Archie fans think of his performance.

Keep in mind, the story really wasn’t how Adam performed on the AMA’s but ABC’s reaction and subsequent banning.

Exactly ….

I vote for Susan Boyle too.

Just voted for FYE on VH! (actually dozens of times). It says that this video has 20,243 views. Anyone know if this is low, high ??

Well it was added 12/1. From AO, these were some stats that were posted on 12/1 for GAGA and Kris so that people would have a comparison.

Kris Allen’s LLWD was added 11-7 and has 50838 views. Avg=2033 views per day

Gaga was added 11/14 and had 58,504 views. Avg-2308 per day.

*Note these numbers were posted on 12/1 so they have changed but Adam is avg about 3300 views per day.

Does anyone know how, once the city is chosen for the kradison concert, you get tickets?

I might actually fly across country if I can get a ticket to see Kris, Adam and Allison perform together. My family lives in NJ — and I could probably crash at my aunt and uncle’s place in NYC, so I could use the excuse of a mini-vacation, which sounds less crazy than simply flying 3000+ miles to see a concert….

hmm…there’s a plan…

alaadam
12/06/2009 at 1:48 pm
Allison #10
Adam #12 & #14
Kris #18 (was #22 a couple of days ago)

While the controversy mqy be hindering Adam’s sales, the non-contrversy does not seem to be really helping the other idols sales especially when you look at where they place on the overall charts. So which is it, contraversy sells or non contraversy sells?

When people talks about Adam the controversy is hurting him
When the same people talks about the other idols they say that those idols are not selling well because they are not controversial and dosen’t have a lot of media attention. (plus the bad economy)

I just don’t undestrand anymore

I don’t know why here are so many comments regarding that Albom piece. I don’t see anything new there. Didn’t we have the same complaint of overexposure in media since the birth of mass media? Next year, I can write the same article by just plugging in new names. It doesn’t provide any new insight of society value or the evolution of the relationship between public and media. In fact, it serves me as a summary of tabloids in 2009 and nothing more.

Well, on the sales, I think i-tunes is only good for predicting single sales since it is the only place to get them. Isn’t it? From the stats last week, we can see that itunes was a very small fraction of sells. I would even guess that it was a smaller fraction than the dreaded Amazon sales. Wasn’t it?

If Adam gets back on track, it might not happen. If he keeps making headlines for stuff other than his singing’ ¦well, like others of said, watch for the backlash.

I’ve not yet had any caffine, so this will be explained badly.

But that’s not how the media works, sadly it’s not in his hands anymore. So say he does on the CBS Early Show, he has to answer questions about the AMAs, they blur out a kiss of Tommy/Adam, not Brit/Madonna, others drag it out by doing go in the news cycle. When promoting his album and single, he’s going to be asked about the AMAs, of course and eventually allowed to maybe talk about his music, maybe the DJ spins a song or two. But for example, on Ellen he gives a really good performance of WWFM, and of course do and his best interview yet (imho) about the AMAs mess…and who cares? because the next day ABC cancels him on shows and that and all it’s new brouhaha becomes the story.

It’s not been that Adam didn’t want to get back to music, but after first week, the next week when maybe he could, ABC then cancels him on shows where he might be given a chance to do just the music and instead was in yet another news cycle not about his music. But beyond Tweeting to confirm that confirming that ABC cancelled, and saying he understood, Adam isn’t doing anything as part of the latest media fueled and media run, brouhaha.

So yeah, Adam does face a lot of backlash from the being sick of him and people thinking he has nothing to him, but the TERRIBLE AMA performance and pissy interview afterwards. But honestly it won’t matter if Adam does nothing, but sing his face off from now on or is perfectly nice at every Jingle Ball HOSTING from here until eternity. That stuff, like his just music, perfectly fine, Letterman performance, or WWFM and MA parts of CBS Early Show and WWFM on Ellen, will be ignored by and large the media. Those things didn’t get him headlines. That doesn’t sell a story for them. That doesn’t matter to them.

The only thing that Adam can hope for, imho, is if WWFM does well enough, gets out there enough so that it can help the album or get some people to see he has some actual talent and isn’t just the AMA/fallout afterwards. But that’s kind to be a tougher slog than it needed to be and might not be enough.

Which I think is a shame because I do think he’s talented and he might have blown it all with one bad peformance and pissy interview(s), because he can just sang from now on, but that might not be enough. Yes I know, Adam is an opportunistic weasel who shrieks and is hurting the gay community, but even as a total non-fan of his AMA peformance, hater of his immediate interview afterwards, and disagreer with some stuff he says, do think yes, he’s a generally good and nice guy, who has problems with defensiveness sometimes, and whose voice I like, whose album I like many songs on, and I’d be interested in hearing him evolve musically. I think he made a mistake and his flaws of defensiveness afterwards led him to compound it. But I don’t think that should define him or his ability to have a musical career, but it very well might and I think that’s a waste.

Well that was tl; dr. Off to get some caffine and sharpen the little grey cells.

Archie fans: Which single was it that he sang on Idol this year?

it was Touch My Hand. here is the video of it. and he sang is beautifully!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bvbp68C4EZk

Well, I agree with the Albom piece, with the exception of Adam. Albom has no idea what he is talking about here and I have watched enough of him on “Sport Reporters” on ESPN to know that …he is the type of person (Albom) who likes to hear himself talk…I cannot stand him on that show (fave of the hubby). And, I agree with dcglam that he should stick with what he knows…sports.

“Keeps moving like that and LLWD will have a new iTunes peak.”

Totally agree. Do you remember its peak (I vaguely remember #26)? The performance on SYTYCD this week will help as will being heard on the radio (finally) in the LA market. By the time he performs it on the NYE show, it will likely be up around 5,000 spins a week. It’s turned into a nice little tune for Kris.

So which is it, contraversy sells or non contraversy sells?

Well, IMO – it really comes down to people knowing Adam’s music to buy either the album or singles. I very rarely buy albums anymore, and will buy singles when I hear them – so him singing on these shows is definitely helping in that respect. However, I still maintain that the publicity right now is not really a bad thing, because it is making him a household name, beyond AI. I just don’t think it is CURRENTLY translating to much of an effect on album sales, because people know of him, but aren’t necessarily saying, hey, let me buy that album. Some people may be more inclined to sample it on itunes, etc, but I have a feeling it’s not too many at this point.

I think someone yesterday used Gaga as a good example – they didn’t know much about her, then heard her perform on AI, heard her randomly in a couple of other contexts, and then decided to buy the album. Gaga is well known for more than just the music at this point, but to some degree the music has to pull people in.

I also liked someone’s point about how right now he is getting the publicity, and has a great, well reviewed album out, but his management just needs to tie the two together, and have people check out that album based on knowing who he is.

Truthiness…why do I always feel sad after reading your posts?

ps. Am I alone?….I don’t like LLWD. I think it’s very disjointed and Kris seems like he’s straining.

Since you posted the iTunes stats, LLWD has moved up another spot to #33,

Keeps moving like that and LLWD will have a new iTunes peak.

Somebody said they noticed that the exposure on VH1 gave Kris a bump on iTunes the past two weekends. He is #10 on their Top 20 Countdown this week.

Good for Kris, let’s get Adam on the chart too Adam fans, no fan war, just want everyone who has worked so hard to sell their product. Keep on voting folks!

“Touch My Hand.”

Thanks, SarahP. Was this a 3rd single off his album, or something new he did for the show? Sorry – I am not tuned in to Archie and am not trying to be critical at all – I am just curious. If it was a single, did it get much notice? I don’t remember hearing this song title at all …

Since you posted the iTunes stats, LLWD has moved up another spot to #33, #20 pop.

Re: albums ‘“ Kris has shown positive movement over the last couple of days. The overall chart is so cluttered with Christmas stuff that I’ll post only the Pop album chart:

Allison #10
Adam #12 & #14
Kris #18 (was #22 a couple of days ago)

w00t for LLWD…in the abstract! (yes, I still dislike the song). That is the little song that could and going to how plugging away, can really help singles.

And that some solid singles/outside the bubble sales, can help stablize an album’s sales. Adam’s album sales will have a huge drop this week from last, a larger percentage drop than Kris’s did and who knows how much of Kris’s sales will have dropped by last week to this. Allison’s first week sales were anemic, so as she also doesn’t have a single to buoy her album sales either, I fear for her second week drop. So I hope that Adam can get WWFM to be successful enough to help his album sales and maybe, if allowed, to get back to being about the music. Kris I think is going to keep on plugging away and may eventually have a fairly successful album, gold? platinum seems doubtful. Allison? I hope she’s looked at as a longterm investment, because she should be due to her talent and where she placed on Idol.

I also liked someone’s point about how right now he is getting the publicity, and has a great, well reviewed album out, but his management just needs to tie the two together, and have people check out that album based on knowing who he is.

yeah. thats the key. use all this publicity as a way to get people to check Adam’s album out cause sooner or later a shiny new toy will emerge for the media to follow.

Truthiness’ ¦why do I always feel sad after reading your posts?

It’s a gift

x-factor results show starting now.

Truthiness’ ¦why do I always feel sad after reading your posts?

The truth will set you free, or set you to weeping?

It seems to me that the time to be a zeitgeist figure is after you’ve established your credentials out there in the real world beyond AI, otherwise all anyone will see is a bloke from a TV singing contest, gaining attention for being provocative and nothing else.

What, exactly, did Adam *do* proactively to make himself a zeitgeist figure, other than do onstage, in magazines, and on the street the exact same kind of stuff that most other top pop singers and would-be pop singers and other LA celebs, especially unmarried ones, do — i.e., sing sexy songs, simulate sex acts, pose for sexy photographs (Miley Cyrus, anyone?), and kiss his boyfriend?

But there was one key difference. He did these things as a gay man. And therefore he drew tons of attention, positive, negative, curious, and just plain gawking, for doing all these things that would have drawn mainly a “ho hum” if a straight person, especially a woman, had done them…. Shakira’s frantic humping song at the AMAs, anyone?

That being the case, I would say that the only way he could have *avoided* getting caught up in the high-profile zeitgeist was to not do any of those things that *would* *be* *perfectly* *normal* and accepted had a straight person done them …..

Unlike literally every other poppy singer/performer out there, Adam was in for huge publicity and sometimes a world of trouble whether he did something sexy or said something sexy with either a man *or* a woman. Yet pop music, and especially dancy pop music, is *all* about sex and romance. The non-sex-and-romance-related dancy pop music percentage probably hovers around 10 to 15 percent, if not lower.

And should Adam have been required to forgo all the behavior that is simply *expected* from your ordinary dance-pop entertainer, simply because he *is* a gay man? Because, if so, then I’d call that a double standard.

Should he have to squelch himself and take a completley different direction from the general run of dancy-pop, the music he wants to make? Shakira doesn’t have to. Flo-Rida doesn’t have to. ETc.

Seems to me that Adam didn’t make himself a polarizing, high-profile figure that people focus on intensely, in both positive and negative ways. He just went out and was what he is…. and the zeitgeist, and the double standard we’re currently struggling with, *made* him a high-profile figure.

To avoid being high-profile, he would have had to put out an album like and have a persona like Kris. …. Even an album like Allison’s, coming from a gay boy, would cause a giant ruckus.

Archie’s history:

First Single Crush, then Crush Video, then album, then mini tour, then AI with “Touch my hand” (consideration for 2nd single), then Archie camp wanted “A Little Too Not Over You” (David was a writer), Video and release to radio…very little sales or radio play, then EP containing “Zero Gravity” (Archie penned song used at live performances)….summer tour with Demi Lovato…..Christmas album and combined Christmas & greatest hits tour….working on 3rd album.

pissy interview afterwards

Truthiness, what post-AMA interview(s) are you referring to? I thought Adam handled himself well in the media after the performance, all things considered.

but even as a total non-fan of his AMA peformance, hater of his immediate interview afterwards, and disagreer with some stuff he says, do think yes, he’s a generally good and nice guy, who has problems with defensiveness sometimes, and whose voice I like, whose album I like many songs on, and I’d be interested in hearing him evolve musically. I think he made a mistake and his flaws of defensiveness afterwards led him to compound it. But I don’t think that should define him or his ability to have a musical career, but it very well might and I think that’s a waste.

Wow, I totally agree with you, except I don’t think this is the end of his career. Not even close. I think this will keep the chatter up for a while which may/may not result in some media backlash, but eventually he’ll have a hit record to drive perception. I really do believe he’ll be fine in the long run.

What it effects, to me, is the perception of him from the people who were most likely to buy his album through the christmas season.. casual idol fans. That’s where all this could hurt because he may have gone from exciting nice guy rock wailer to something not so well received. We’ll find out if that happened as the xmas season progresses. The image he’s building now may pay off in the long run (if people like the music that goes along with the image), but hurt him in the short run if he sells less albums, giving him a smaller cushion while he waits for his songs to build on the radio.

I feel depressed, too, luval. I posted about this for different reasons last night, however. I do NOT believe that Adam was looking for controversy. I believe that FYE was NOT a good choice for a single and I think that performing it was a WORSE choice, b/c he did interpret it literally, and even w/ the video being more playful, it still has to do with…well, we know. That’s fine with fans, but not so much with the viewers of the AMAs and especially not with the media. WHY did he sing that song and WHY did he go last??? The AMAs WANTED this to be a…well, maybe not controversial piece, but one that would get people talking and, IMO, not the way I’d want. He is NOT GaGa, he is NOT Rhianna, he is NOT Janet Jackson or Eminem (ick), and so is not established enough to put on that kind of performance, the kind the press was just waiting to jump on (all look, the OTT GAY GUY doing risque things).

NOW, if had sung Music Again (or WWFM) with his band, and it had been controversial free (unless in WWFM he had kissed a guy–I doubt it), no problem, showcases his voice, no controversy, moving right along, but NO. And off book or not (and it was), it still was a pretty damn edgy song/piece, and I just do not think it was a good way to introduce him to non-Idol fans or media types who DO thrive on controversy. Who made this choice? RCA/19? Adam, with the agreement of RCA/19? Does he really have that kind of autonomy at this point?

In any case, I think WWFM or MA would have been ideal songs–they both worked really well on the Early Morning Show (and I do not want to get into the whole Britney kiss BS, b/c I wish Adam had just left it the hell alone). His interview have been articulate and thoughtful, but the damage is done. And this is why I do NOT like the idea of him being on any kind of talk show until the brouhaha dies down (except The View, b/c I think it could be very amusing; God, please don’t end up bang a train wreck). It will keep coming up until Adam gets to just sing, and even then, who knows? And dammit, this album is better than 90 percent or more of the drudge the record industry is currently producing, and this makes me SO BLOODY SAD.

I do not think this will kill his career by any means, but it’s making it a lot harder than it had to be. JMHO

Which I think is a shame because I do think he’s talented and he might have blown it all with one bad peformance and pissy interview(s), because he can just sang from now on, but that might not be enough.

Well, I have to disagree with this. For one, I think the ABC cancellations, and Adam’s latest interviews (Ellen, etc.), have done wonders to really pull more of the press to his side, rather than against him, whether people liked the AMAs or not. The resulting fall out with ABC actually made Adam more the victim of it all than if ABC had not seemingly overreacted with the cancellations.

And then just look at Britney – how many screws up has she had (and way more major than what Adam did in one measily performance), yet she became a huge comeback story this last year with Circus. So the media is fickle, they love a juicy story, and if it can be used to get more people to hear his music, then it is all good, and I can’t really see the AMAs destroying him for life. In fact, quite the opposite, he now has a bit of a reputation as being the “unpredictable, bad boy” of award shows, which is a bit of an enticing ratings hook for many future events.

‘Touch My Hand.’ 

Thanks, SarahP. Was this a 3rd single off his album, or something new he did for the show? Sorry ‘“ I am not tuned in to Archie and am not trying to be critical at all ‘“ I am just curious. If it was a single, did it get much notice? I don’t remember hearing this song title at all ‘ ¦

Jive never submitted this song for adds to radio stations so it’s not really an official single in the true sense of the word. It’s just something he did for the show that night. However, a few radio stations did play it on their own and thus it did get some minimal charting.

ETA: Having said that, in other countries, especially in Asia, it was played on the radio stations quite a lot and reached the top of their charts.

“The original article is in Spanish. This is a translation’ ¦

David Archuleta, an ‘American Idol’  for the family”

Thanks Ozarka, enjoyed reading it.
Loved it.

ps. Am I alone?’ ¦.I don’t like LLWD. I think it’s very disjointed and Kris seems like he’s straining.

LOL – I too am still not the biggest fan of LLWD – I never thought of the Bob Dylan part, until someone pointed it out (aww, hwc, how I miss you ) and now that part always kind of bothers me in the song. But good job to Kris with the song’s success, it is very catchy, which I remember commenting on when it was first released.

Possible twitter party after Kris and crew perform tonight.

Calevis24

#Sorry for the massive twitter party fail last night, i meant WHEN should we have one? sorry yall, I’ll try soon, maybe tonight after show about 2 hours ago from txt

I hope he does this. I miss twitter parties. And it would be fun to get some insight on the band (and on Kris) from someone who (A) is actually in the band and (B) has known Kris for years. And we would get to learn something about Cale (hopefully), other than the fact that he’s Kris’ friend, won the Cosmo Bachelor of the Year contest and used to be in another band.

Now if we could just get Adam and Kris to do twitter parties again…

Thanks, Tess. Makes sense now.

ETA: And Ozarka. I enjoy hearing the history.

That’s fine with fans, but not so much with the viewers of the AMAs and especially not with the media.

I keep reading this kind of quote and I will still say that unless someone can prove me wrong there were very few “complaints” and only one group has gone in front of the FCC. Several conservative groups related that they weren’t thrilled with the performance but pursued no action and in fact stated in a press release that they thought ABC had gone too far.

So I just wish, unless their is specific data to support the theory, that people would not use the broad brush stroke that EVERYONE hated the AMA performance. I liked it….so everyone is not an operative word.

Also, regarding David’s performance of Touch My Hand on Idol — the fanbase was pretty much split in terms of how we felt he did. Some loved it, others felt that he showed his nerves. David himself said later that he let his nerves get the better of him. And he promptly moved on.

I have always wondered about how they select singles from an album. Crush was a great first choice, obviously, but a greater proportion of David’s fanbase liked Barriers and Your Eyes Don’t Lie over either ALTNOY or TMH — I felt that both of those were hookier.

His second one A Little Too Not Over You, which Jive dropped the ball on before they even let it go for adds because they wanted to focus on the 2nd album.

I don’t follow Archie but IIRC, Jive just had a very confused rollout on his second single. Initially, there was an adds date for Touch My Hand (I think) and then they changed their mind (it seems because of fan input) and switched singles before the adds date to ALTNOY. And then ALTNOY seemed to be not going anywhere fast, and I don’t remember if a music video was ever made for it. And then when he guested on AI, they had him sing Touch My Hand, which many people thought would be the new single. They even made a music video but then . . . no adds date. Very strange behavior for Jive, I thought.

Teri63
12/06/2009 at 11:44 am

It iis early on a Sunday but what’s ironic about a guy signing books in a bookstore.

lol agree.

There’s just something rather amusing about an article regarding overexposure being ended with the author promoting his own endeavors.

Say if Adam were to do something like say…plug/promote his album, that’s overexposure? Hmmmm.

Archie also did a British tour with McFly and he never released an EP.

other than the fact that he’s Kris’ friend, won the Cosmo Bachelor of the Year contest and used to be in another band.

erroneous information. Cale was the bachelor of the year from Arkansas. And it isn’t a contest….the editors of Cosmo just pick the guy they think is the “hunk” for the year….my nephews business partner was one a few years back.

“Also, regarding David’s performance of Touch My Hand on Idol ‘” the fanbase was pretty much split in terms of how we felt he did. Some loved it, others felt that he showed his nerves.”

This is how I remember hearing it when it aired this year. I thought he sounded nervous and unsure of himself – and I never felt that way about him during S7. It’s too bad.

Thanks dhunken! It’s strange that his 2nd single did so poorly. Have to admit I’ve never heard it ‘” is it that bad? Or not radio friendly? It seems like ‘Crush’  should have given Archie more momentum for his 2nd single

To me, Archie’s subsequent singles were just more proof that what makes a song “playable” on the radio is a complete mystery. They seemed like perfectly decent, perfectly poppy songs to me.

I know that, after a song stalls, people are always running around giving the reasons why it was the “wrong song,” or whatever. But all of that usually just sounds to me like rationalization of something that’s in fact completely inscrutable. And so it seemed to me in this case.

Hope that his next album does better…. Nevertheless, Archie, too, is a fine singer and musician, perfectly capable of developing a strong niche following and making a good living being a singer for the rest of his life, if he chooses to, whether he gets an album that goes multi-platinun with six hot singles or not.

Wow, I totally agree with you, except I don’t think this is the end of his career. Not even close. I think this will keep the chatter up for a while which may/may not result in some media backlash, but eventually he’ll have a hit record to drive perception. I really do believe he’ll be fine in the long run.

I agree. It’s going to be a story for awhile, but as long as he sticks to the music, this too shall pass…

Well, I have to disagree with this. For one, I think the ABC cancellations, and Adam’s latest interviews (Ellen, etc.), have done wonders to really pull more of the press to his side, rather than against it, whether people liked the AMAs or not. The resulting fall out with ABC actually made Adam more the victim of it all than if ABC had not seemingly overreacted with the cancellations.

Whether the press is more on his side or not, is irrelevant to a large degree, because he’s still being talked about for things other than his music. So people who might hear about this latest round with Adam, are still not going to hear about his musical abilities, at least in a non-sucking way like they were at the AMAs. All outside bubble people will continue to hear/read about Adam is some “controversy,” which if they think he’s devoid of talent and/or kind of a jerk based on his post AMA interview or disagreeing that the problems with his performance aren’t related to his being gay, but just generally offensive, than that isn’t going to help him with the general, and buying, public in seeing him as talented guy, but instead of some version of the Gosslins.

Which again, is why Adam’s needing to get press for his music is important, but the press at this point doesn’t care about just his music, so it perpetuates the idea that he is nothing, but an empty story, and possibly jerky guy, or at the least, some drama llama and nothing more.

As for Britney? She was very successful musically before her crash, so of course she’s given more of a chance to re-establish herself musically.

What, exactly, did Adam *do* proactively to make himself a zeitgeist figure,

He ‘came out’ in his first cover interview with Rolling Stone in a strong way.

A great deal of the press attention since has put his ‘gayness’ up there, just as high as his singing and performing talent, as a reason for paying attention.

He had a tiff with the editor of a gay magazine, because he wasn’t being ‘gay’ enough and then…

His breakout performance on the AMAs was a song with highly suggestive lyrics performed to a partly gay s&m routine.

Seriously – the fact that Lambert is gay is neither here nor there to me, but nobody, IMO, could deny that his sexuality has been to the forefront of the way he has introduced himself to the world post AI.

In fact I’d argue that this positioning himself in a very political, zeitgeist fashion, is the major factor in the media over hyping of him since AI8 and, probably, during at as well, because it was hardly hidden then, even if it wasn’t discussed.

Lambert is as entitled as anyone else to be upfront about his sexuality and life and I’d never say that anyone should have to hide who they are from the world, or that being gay should have any impact on an artist’s success or otherwise.

But it was Lambert who put it out there front and centre in his media dealings and performance plans. He placed himself at the centre of that zeitgeist whirlwind and – unfortunately – has not had the success that he should have had to go along with it, yet.

At the moment, he is the gay guy off AI8, who makes the headlines alot for being gay.

Instead, IMO, he should be the talented singer and performer from AI8, who just happens to be gay.

Edited: because there was a lot of focus on ‘positions’ in this post, oddly enough :lol

and he never released an EP.

It was, I believe, a four song set that was released, I believe on Itunes. I would call that an EP. Others may call it something else.

And yup, forgot the British gig, and the gig and radio tour in Manila and that area. Since I’m no longer an Archie “fan”, hopefully I am forgiven.

Well, you know what makes ME sad?

That because he had a bad performance (and, yes, for me, that’s all it was- a bad performance vocally and choreographically- really wasn’t offended by it), together with the “shock and horror” with which it was undeservedly received, he might try to tone himself down for a long time… and we will get some turned off Adam who’s trying hard not to offend anyone.
I would much rather he went on “offending”, if the alternative means he has to stiffle himself and his sexuality and stick to ballads only, so everyone sees how “adorable” and “sweet” he really is.
That would make me very sad.

That’s fine with fans, but not so much with the viewers of the AMAs and

especially not with the media.

I don ´t think this is true, suebrody. The media has been on Adam ´s side. They have not complained about the performance.

but the press at this point doesn’t care about just his music,

The press rarely cares about the music…that is a critics job.

There’s just something rather amusing about an article regarding overexposure being ended with the author promoting his own endeavors.

Say if Adam were to do something like say’ ¦plug/promote his album, that’s overexposure? Hmmmm.

But Adam isn’t the one saying he’s overexposed for actually creating something and promoting it, and not just a persona. The author of this article is the one writing about others emptiness to their fame, not that selling oneself for creaing an actual product they produced, might be different. And so Adam’s promoting his album would be on par with the author promoting his book, except that the title of this piece, doesn’t see how they are similiar in that, and different than people like a Tiger Woods mistress or Gosselin.

would much rather he went on ‘offending’ , if the alternative means he has to stiffle himself and his sexuality and stick to ballads only, so everyone sees how ‘adorable’  and ‘sweet’  he really is.
That would make me very sad.

That would make me sad, too.

The media doesn’t care if an artist has a bad performance vocally on award shows. Judging by the respons to Kellyes performance they don’t seem to care if it was vocally awesome either…

What, exactly, did Adam *do* proactively to make himself a zeitgeist figure,

He ‘came out’ in his first cover interview with Rolling Stone in a strong way.

A great deal of the press attention since has put his ‘gayness’ up there, just as high as his singing and performing talent, as a reason for paying attention.

He had a tiff with the editor of a gay magazine, because he wasn’t being ‘gay’ enough and then’ ¦

His breakout performance on the AMAs was a song with highly suggestive lyrics performed to a partly gay s&m routine.

Well, all of this is exactly my point.

All that he did was *be* *who* *he* *is*, openly and publicly. But because who he is happens to be a gay guy, then huge huge huge media and public attention followed on that. Plenty of women have done sexy s&m-y routines. But, hey, they’re straight women, and nobody even notices!

What we seem to be saying here is: If you are gay, and you express your gayness, including your gay sexuality, in public, then you become a giant lightning rod for the media, the public, interest groups of all kinds, and so on.

This *is* the double standard. Because *if* *you* *are* *gay*, you — unlike anyone else in America — are absolutely required to keep your sexuality and who you are quietly under wraps, or face endless carrying on about what a fame-whoring, controversial, polarizing figure you are.

This is sort of interesting. I was on the mediabase chart looking to see how many spins people are getting today, and saw that LLWD has gotten 2 spins on country radio and 2 spins on rhythmic radio (in addition to 173 on Hot AC and 145 on Top 40; so 322 total spins so far today)

The country station is WKHX-FM in Atlanta, which is marked as being a new station for LLWD The rhythmic stations are WRDW-FM in Philadelphia and KTBT-FM in Tulsa (Tulsa is checked off as a new station for LLWD, Philly is not)

WWFM has gotten 59 spins so far today (36 in Top 40, 23 in Hot AC). Z-100 is playing it the most — 12 times since yesterday

This *is* the double standard. Because *if* *you* *are* *gay*, you ‘” unlike anyone else in America ‘” are absolutely required to keep your sexuality and who you are quietly under wraps, or face endless carrying on about what a fame-whoring, controversial, polarizing figure you are.

And Adam answers…

http://www.ainow.org/index.php/tidbits/1489-adam-lambert-hosting-newnownext-poplab-show

saga
12/06/2009 at 3:03 pm
The media doesn’t care if an artist has a bad performance vocally on award shows. Judging by the respond to Kellyes performance they don’t seem to care if it was vocally awesome either’ ¦

Yes- but Adam cares, and I think that’s why he seemed so sad to me all this last week and a half. Kind of like he went around carrying the feeling that he blew it in front of everyone he looks up to.
I’m just hoping the blow to his self asteem wasn’t too big to make him scared to take risks in the future…
Wait- No!- Adam’s fierce! He isn’t SKERD!!!
Must stay positive

Perfectly put, Lucy. Adam is forging a new path, basically.

I am going to be optomistic—Adam has a one-of-a-kind voice (whether it’s your cup of tea or not is beside the point) and a great CD getting very good reviews. Things will blow over, and the music will be at the forefront again.

At least 75 percent of the other pop singers in the world “put their sexuality out there” all the time, in every performance, on every album cover, on every tv show, all over the place all the time.

So what’s being said is that, while that is 100 percent the accepted and *expected* norm for most pop singers, if a *gay* pop singer does the exact same thing, then he’s nothing but a fame whore who’s asking for trouble?

I would bet that, if one is homosexual, one feels in one’s heart that one’s own sexality is every bit as valid a subject for song and performance as straight people’s is. Yet while straight people’s sexuality is *everywhere* in the media and real life, and in increasingly openly sexual ways, if a gay person gives open portrayals of his or her sexuality in the media, then he is a fame whore who’s “using” his sexuality for some ulterior purpose and it’s his “choice” to do that because we, the mainstream society, have graciously offered the gay person another “choice” — to keep his sexuality hidden, while Shakira and Flo Rida and Miley Cyrus perform theirs in the most extraverted ways, even on the stage of American Idol. .

I would much rather he went on ‘offending’ , if the alternative means he has to stiffle himself and his sexuality and stick to ballads only, so everyone sees how ‘adorable’  and ‘sweet’  he really is.
That would make me very sad.

It’s called compromise. He can keep on ‘offending’ and be a niche artist or compromise and have the mega success he has been dreaming of. He did it very well on AI. He just needs to translate that to the performance stage.

but the press at this point doesn’t care about just his music,

The press rarely cares about the music’ ¦that is a critics job.

Too true – I think someone said it a few pages back, but, yeah, how much press is really given to someone, in general, just because they do what they’re expected to do (as in, how many articles are written about Rihanna the singer, as opposed to Rihanna the domestic abuse victim, and so forth). The media doesn’t particularly care about that, which is why I still maintain that Adam being in the public eye is not really a bad thing, in terms of getting him out there. If he had not shocked at the AMAs, his performance would have actually been pretty forgettable, as most of them were that night, and he would have, imo, gotten next to no leverage out of it.

The media doesn’t care if an artist has a bad performance vocally on award shows. Judging by the respond to Kellyes performance they don’t seem to care if it was vocally awesome either’ ¦

THIS. Yes, Kelly did great, but I don’t remember hearing much about it in the press afterwards. Not fair to her, imo, but that’s the media for you. The only person who really seemed to get a lot of positive press from the AMAs was Lady Gaga, which led me to say that if Adam could learn from her, doing something shocking, yet controlled, and still with a bit of his spontaneity thrown in for good measure, he could pull off performances like that. But he’s learning, as he said.

All outside bubble people will continue to hear/read about Adam is some ‘controversy,’  which if they think he’s devoid of talent and/or kind of a jerk based on his post AMA interview

Again, have to disagree here. I really don’t hear many people out of the bubble saying “what a jerk that Lambert is” – I don’t think many people were THAT bothered by his post-AMA interviews. Some were offended, or turned off, by the performance, but his handling of it afterwards, and even more so on shows like Ellen the following week, were met with a lot of positivity. He handled himself well in a decidedly difficult situation.

What we seem to be saying here is: If you are gay, and you express your gayness, including your gay sexuality, in public, then you become a giant lightning rod for the media, the public, interest groups of all kinds, and so on.

This *is* the double standard. Because *if* *you* *are* *gay*, you ‘” unlike anyone else in America ‘” are absolutely required to keep your sexuality and who you are quietly under wraps, or face endless carrying on about what a fame-whoring, controversial, polarizing figure you are.

I get what you’re saying Lucy – and, yes, I do agree with you to an extent.

Though I still feel that, partly because the media latched on to that fact and wanted to make Lambert into a zeitgeist figure, that his sexuality has become the dominant factor in his image and that he has played into that to a large extent.

So, in a way, it’s the devil and the deep blue sea.

And yes, if female artists can push the sexual boundaries in performance then male artists and gay artists should also be able to do so. And I say that ,even though I personally think that the current fashion for emphasising shock value above the actual music/singing/performance is crap.

But, as many have said, that whole issue is very controversial in America at the moment and certainly Adam Lambert must be aware of that. So to do a performance such as FYE, closing the AMAs, was to court controversy and attention, to a greater degree than if a woman had done it.

Right or wrong, that is inevitable.

Personally, I think that the reason that Adam has received the media attention, industry attention and accolades that he has done is in large part because he engages this very discussion, which is a part of American cultural debate at this moment.

So the knife cuts both ways and the result could go either way too.

IMO, it would have been great for Lambert if he could have established himself as a strong vocalist and a flamboyant performer, before he started challenging entrenched public opinions. Because, as it is, he has nothing to stand on if public opinion decides against him.

This *is* the double standard. Because *if* *you* *are* *gay*, you ‘” unlike anyone else in America ‘” are absolutely required to keep your sexuality and who you are quietly under wraps, or face endless carrying on about what a fame-whoring, controversial, polarizing figure you are.

This is the kind of characterization I have a problem with. I do agree with the general sentiment that Adam has to face double standards around displays of sexuality. However, it is hard for me to make a case in my mind that this incident is solely about that, mainly because I believe he went beyond what would have been considered okay for any performer. Pink got censured for the same thing, BJ, the finger and all. Janet infamously went over the top with displays of sexuality a few years back. And he did it all while going off script during a live broadcast. So I don’t see him as the total victim here, he is certainly complicit in my mind. Of course some of the backlash has been homophobic, but I don’t think that is the whole story.

In short, Adam his a sexual performer and has every right to be one, but there are limits for everyone with that kind of thing, and I think it is truly conceivable that Adam crossed some of those limits.

Tess

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All that he did was *be* *who* *he* *is*, openly and publicly. But because who he is happens to be a gay guy, then huge huge huge media and public attention followed on that. Plenty of women have done sexy s&m-y routines. But, hey, they’re straight women, and nobody even notices!

Adam’s “coming out party” might have looked completely different if those photos had not surfaced during the show. Well, not “might have”, it probably would have.

I would much rather he went on ‘offending’ , if the alternative means he has to stiffle himself and his sexuality and stick to ballads only, so everyone sees how ‘adorable’  and ‘sweet’  he really is.
That would make me very sad.

It’s called compromise. He can keep on ‘offending’ and be a niche artist or compromise and have the mega success he has been dreaming of.

And the sole reason that he has to compromise to be a mainstream success is *because* *he* *is* *gay.*

I guess he’s luckier than the college-educated black people who we now know are having a harder time finding jobs in this recession than college-educated white people. It’s quite a bit easier to hide your gayness than to hide your race …. The problem is exactly the same, though, if you ask me. Bigotry. And, worse, bigotry that the majority population completely refuses to recognize it’s committing.

And, yeah, I agree that Adam *could* compromise. And that he might get bigger pop music success if he did.

I think he might not die as happy, after a lifetime of that. But who knows, I suppose.

And, yeah, I agree that Adam *could* compromise. And that he might get bigger pop music success if he did.

We know that no matter he says, (and I love Adam) he did compromise on Idol. Otherwise I think we would have gotten stuff similar to the Zodiac show.

I am so freaking tired of this whole Adam controversy. The media needs to let if go, already. ABC did what it did. I don’t agree with what they did, but it isn’t going to kill Adam’s career — as shown by the fact that Leno jumped right in to book him, as the Early Show did after Adam lost the GMA gig. Adam now needs to get out there and perform his music, not go on shows just to constantly defend himself. The music is getting overlooked in this whole brouhaha.

saga writes:

This *is* the double standard. Because *if* *you* *are* *gay*, you ‘” unlike anyone else in America ‘” are absolutely required to keep your sexuality and who you are quietly under wraps, or face endless carrying on about what a fame-whoring, controversial, polarizing figure you are.

And Adam answers’ ¦

http://www.ainow.org/index.php/tidbits/1489-adam-lambert-hosting-newnownext-poplab-show

My point exactly, saga and Adam!

(plus it will the day after the Barbara Walters’ program).

hmmm, no Sue. It is taped.

Video of Allison performing “Holiday” at the KIIS-FM pre-JingleBall party yesterday (FML from having to work on Saturdays — otherwise I totally could have gone to this)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xLljGW9pd8g&feature=player_embedded

I think Adam is a pretty smart guy, and I think he realizes that a little compromise now will ensure that he gets those opportunities to experiment and, perhaps, push things further down the road. He is learning. I honestly don’t think we will be seeing anything that nears the AMA performance for a long time. That doesn’t mean that he won’t be sexual and OTT at times—I think he is learning (or remembering) how far he can go.

It would have been nice if people could have focused on the music rather than one ‘controversy’  after another with him.

Ahem, when was the last time anyone in the media focused “on the music”?

Lady Gaga is a story not because of her music but because of her edge and performances. Muse put out one of the most daring albums in years and barely made one news cycle let alone generated any kind of buzz. There was never any way Adam wasn’t going to be a story for who he is (not just the music) no matter what or how he performs.

He is fascinating – a bundle of contradictions which are part of the package. Sure the voice is out of this world, but if it was JUST the voice people just wouldn’t be (as) interested.

Archie’s Christmas From the Heart is NO. 14 on Itunes?

WOW – go Archie – go little album go.

And, yeah, I agree that Adam *could* compromise. And that he might get bigger pop music success if he did.

I think he might not die as happy, after a lifetime of that. But who knows, I suppose.

It all depends what he wants more. The success or personal satisfaction. Everyone in life has to compromise. Why should Adam be different?

No offense, but I don’t think Adam is fascinating. He’s a terrific singer with a great voice and he’s a nice guy who is very intelligent and well spoken. But I don’t think any of that makes him particularly fascinating. Just my opinion.

girlygirly

I so totally agree. But I think we’ll have to accept at least another couple of weeks of talking about this because of all his talk show appearances. Am looking forward to Leno because I think it will be real lighthearted. Also, the view with Elisabeth’s lemon puss! Although like I said I wouldn’t be surprised if she “calls in sick”.

All this negative and positive discussion about Adam – all you have to do is watch how his CDs and Albums are doing on Itunes and Amazon. Watch next week sales after all these TV appearances. That’s how America is saying about him.

Adam now needs to get out there and perform his music, not go on shows just to constantly defend himself. The music is getting overlooked in this whole brouhaha.

Other than Larry King Live, what shows are you referring to?
And who would turn down LKL at this point in their career? Cook, Archie, Kris, Allison, Jordin? Who?

clearone
12/06/2009 at 3:17 pm
I would much rather he went on ‘offending’ , if the alternative means he has to stiffle himself and his sexuality and stick to ballads only, so everyone sees how ‘adorable’  and ‘sweet’  he really is.
That would make me very sad.

It’s called compromise. He can keep on ‘offending’ and be a niche artist or compromise and have the mega success he has been dreaming of. He did it very well on AI. He just needs to translate that to the performance stage.

Well, I think Guns’n'Roses were international Mega Superstars, and they certainly didn’t go around trying to please everyone. And they offended many, but boy did all us kids around the world love them!
He’s young now, he’s bubbling with all that energy- and a great deal of it is- that’s right- sexual energy- and this is the time to express it.
If he wanted to stay a “good” boy and sing beautifully all the time- he would and should have stayed in musical theatre.
But no- he went into this with a vision to do something creative, something shiney and sparkely and thrilling and a little subversive too (as he told Slezak- he likes being subversive).
So if that means he should become a niche’ artist- then maybe he should, and not give up his artistic integrity.
I do agree, however, that he can try to keep on playing the sweet boy (which ofcourse he is in real life anyway- but I mean on stage too, so’s not to offend anyone) until he’s a little bit more established- and then let loose.
The catch to that though, is, that being too toned down is not what got Adam to be so buzzed about in the first place, so he might not be able to establish himself that way at all… Who needs another Clay Aiken, right? I mean, Clay’s got a wonderful voice but I would never go see him in concert…

The media doesn’t care if an artist has a bad performance vocally on award shows. Judging by the respond to Kellyes performance they don’t seem to care if it was vocally awesome either’ ¦

And this is exactly why I take a lot of what is said in the media with a grain of salt.

IMO, it would have been great for Lambert if he could have established himself as a strong vocalist and a flamboyant performer, before he started challenging entrenched public opinions. Because, as it is, he has nothing to stand on if public opinion decides against him.

IMO, that’s exactly what he did on Idol, week after week.

It’s called compromise. He can keep on ‘offending’ and be a niche artist or compromise and have the mega success he has been dreaming of. He did it very well on AI. He just needs to translate that to the performance stage.

In my book he is not trying to offend, and he has not offended me. If people get offended because they have an issue with gay people doing what what heterosexual ones do without causing offense, then the problem is with these people that get offended. If I get offended by something or someone, I stay away.

The problem I see is that some people do not want to admit that they have a problem accepting homosexuality. The statement is “I don ´t mind gays if they don ´t show they are gay.

lovemymatthew
12/06/2009 at 3:28 pm

Archie’s Christmas From the Heart is NO. 14 on Itunes?

WOW ‘“ go Archie ‘“ go little album go.

I love the “go little album go” made me chuckle. I bought it it is great I really like the duet with him and Charice. He really has a phenomenal voice.

girly girly

didn’t notice your last post. I DO find him facinating.

Instead, IMO, he should be the talented singer and performer from AI8, who just happens to be gay.

No. That would never have worked for him. He would probably have liked it, and I think he naively was hoping it might happen. But he is a very sexual person and that infuses his performance persona. Rolling Stone had to happen because the press wouldn’t let up about it. And after that the media were obsessed with his sexuality. Does he show sexual heat on stage? Absolutely. But he doesn’t make it gay or straight, his AMA performance was flat out sexual. If he himself was known to be straight, there would still have been shock and gasps at how out there and vulgar it was, but there wouldn’t have been the same media and public obsession in the following week. Instead, it would have blown over in couple of days and people would have moved on. I think that’s what he was thinking would happen. Instead, everyone keeps having to ask him about it, especially about The Kiss where he kissed a STRAIGHT dude. That’s the part that has so many guys reeling. He underestimated America’s ability to separate his sexuality from his stage performance.

I don’t believe he should hide who he is and pretend to be someone he isn’t to make others more comfortable so that they can think of him as that comfortable guy next door whose name no one remembers. Yes, it’s getting him a lot of media attention which, for the moment, is a good thing. He’s got the album and the skillz to back it up and it’ll all work out fine. Everyone doesn’t have to love or like him. But those who do will love him for what he is doing and giving us, musically and culturally. He just needs enough people on that side of the fence to have a successful career. And, really, he’ll be attracting a boat load of rebels that are tired of both the yawniness and sexual prudishness of much of the current pop music environment.

Also, regarding David’s performance of Touch My Hand on Idol ‘” the fanbase was pretty much split in terms of how we felt he did. Some loved it, others felt that he showed his nerves. David himself said later that he let his nerves get the better of him. And he promptly moved on.

David’s reaction to his own performance on Idol was the most interesting, actually:

Sorry for those who had to listen to that excruciatingly unpleasant performance last night haha… I’ll make sure that doesn’t happen again! 2:01 PM Apr 23rd from web

http://twitter.com/DavidArchie/status/1596186844

David is brutally honest with and about himself but it really upset some of the fanbase that he said that. I really appreciated him all the more for that comment though.

And you’re right, he went to England with his band and McFly the next day and proceeded to have a blast and do awesome opening at McFly’s concerts there. He didn’t let his misstep on Idol hold him back for a minute or take his focus off the music.

And for those fans who were still worried/upset about his comment, he later wrote:

You know what they say… “You are your own worst critic.” haha 4:38 AM Apr 28th from web
http://twitter.com/DavidArchie/status/1637414020

Really glad David’s Christmas album is doing well.

So back to Adam, I really hope this controversy dies down for him and he can concentrate fully on his music.

Lady Gaga is a story not because of her music but because of her edge and performances. Muse put out one of the most daring albums in years and barely made one news cycle let alone generated any kind of buzz.

Yeah, but I’ll say one thing for Lady Gaga: she brings it. Her routines are insane and eye catching, but she performs and sings really well.

Muse’s album, I would suspect has sold really well world wide. So, I doubt whether the publicity issue matters that much.

I think Lambert will do well: it’ll just take him a bit longer than anticipated to get going.

lucy–
you’re posts are so totally spot on, thank you for them.

I just wanted to add, as far as Adam’s “fame whore” pedigree, that he earns by supposedly flaunting his gayness all over the place, goes:

For one thing, when Adam represents himself, both visually and verbally, its always far more about the sexy for him than it is about the gay. It is only because he is so comfortably out that those two qualities have become entwined.

For another thing, Adam has had countless opportunities to milk the huge media buzz that surrounds him and he consistently rejects them. From shooting down the Queen rumors post finale, to downplaying how well he knows people like Lady Gaga (the media always wants to make them “besties” and Adam points out he barely knows her), to the understated way in which he’s played this whole ABC situation…I could give any number of further examples–I think Adam has been anything but a “fame whore.” He clearly wants this to be about the music (although for Adam “the music” includes “the performance.”) But the media, from even before Idol ended, wanted to make this a gay story (and it is, as lucy has explained, a gay story), and so they have. I don’t even think that the AMA performance, which I thought was a total failure, by the way, was so much about the water cooler the next day, any more than Adam’s over the top Zodiac performance was about water coolers. Adam just wants to put on a big, over the top, spectacular show, so that’s what he does. As with anyone, sometimes that works out better than other times.

Adam now needs to get out there and perform his music, not go on shows just to constantly defend himself.

Adam doesn’t get to choose what people want to talk to him about and there aren’t many places with a big audience where you can just “perform music” without the other. Concerts will come where he can do that, but for now this is what it is. He is doing fine and I think it is pretty obvious at this point that he isn’t perpetuating the story but being held hostage by it.

He has entered the cultural consciousness and that is no mean feat in today’s landscape. Whether you agree with how it happened or not, that’s the outcome and that genie isn’t going back in the bottle anytime soon.

Wow, I totally agree with you, except I don’t think this is the end of his career. Not even close. I think this will keep the chatter up for a while which may/may not result in some media backlash, but eventually he’ll have a hit record to drive perception. I really do believe he’ll be fine in the long run.

But how will he have a hit record if people don’t buy it? I know, it’s a simplistic question. But really, who is going to be buying at this point? As that drop of sales from first to second week indicate, that was more his base vs. casual sales since. He doesn’t have a hit single at this point, so he’s not going be tied to his music at this point, no matter how much he himself might just concentrate on the music. He can do that all he wants from now on, be largely ignored by the media it, and still have poor album sales.

As for all this talk about the long run, as we know, he might not be given that long run to be able to succeed. After all, a lot of money was sunk into him, he was given a lot of opportunities, and if they don’t pay off literally, sooner than later, eh. It’s return on investment, I don’t think RCA will be happy if they don’t see more of that sooner than later.

What it effects, to me, is the perception of him from the people who were most likely to buy his album through the christmas season.. casual idol fans. That’s where all this could hurt because he may have gone from exciting nice guy rock wailer to something not so well received. We’ll find out if that happened as the xmas season progresses. The image he’s building now may pay off in the long run (if people like the music that goes along with the image), but hurt him in the short run if he sells less albums, giving him a smaller cushion while he waits for his songs to build on the radio.

I think that’s already happened, I mean the loss of whatever percentage of casual fans, and his stupid album cover does nothing, but hurt him there additionally. As for the image he’s building now, eh. Who says anyone will buy that now or that it will be enough? And even if it is, can it be tied to his music enough to have people buy his music? The coming LKL, View, Barbara Walters stuff certainly won’t help just concentrate on the music, but even if/when he does, is it going to be enough to move product? How well is WWFM selling now and how long will it be before it MIGHT help his album sales? I mean how well is LLWD helping Kris Allens’ sales? is it helping them, I firmly believe it is, but are either huge hits? not right now. But Jive also has a better history of willing to look at the longterm than RCA and look at the build. Will RCA be that patient with Adam?

And again, will people really buy his album at this point, no matter how much all about the music he might try to be? We’ll see. He might be fine in the longrun, or he might not. I think he’s given himself some deep holes to climb out of and I don’t know that he’s going to be able to do it.

album review…
Holidays past and present celebrated on CDs

Archuleta is positively angelic on his soaring, reverent rendition of “Ave Maria,” and he closes the disc with an upbeat original composition, “Melodies of Christmas.”

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Gigi3
12/06/2009 at 3:33 pm
IMO, it would have been great for Lambert if he could have established himself as a strong vocalist and a flamboyant performer, before he started challenging entrenched public opinions. Because, as it is, he has nothing to stand on if public opinion decides against him.

IMO, that’s exactly what he did on Idol, week after week.

But now is the time he needs to step out of the Idol world and impact those who don’t watch/follow Idol. And he didn’t establish himself outisde of the bubble yet, but he is already challenging these entrenched public opinions.

In short, Adam his a sexual performer and has every right to be one, but there are limits for everyone with that kind of thing, and I think it is truly conceivable that Adam crossed some of those limits.

I agree with that. … However, in my opinion tons and tons of other performers cross the same lines repeatedly — and did on the AMAs — and for the most part the audience doesn’t even *notice.* ….

Certainly nobody seems to have noticed much about the other people on the AMAs.

Honestly, though, I would argue that the reason people notice what I consider Adam crossing the same boundaries a lot of other people is that most of the public gets on the alert without realizing it when someone gay comes along and because their antenna are up they notice that person’s sexual behavior *way* more than they notice extremely similar behavior performed by straight people, and, especially, women.

I’ll never get over having bazillions of other Idol fans tell me I was nuts for saying that I believed Paris Bennett’s chair-humping, stripper-simulating dance was not completely lovely and fine and but way too much of a sex simulation for a 17-year-old girl to perform in an arena full of dancing Poptarts and 10-year-old girls to whom Paris was a role model.

Person after person told me that the dance was just fine and not too much of a sex- or stripper-simulation at all because “It was just like Beyonce’s!”

My bottom line: There’s sex simulation all over the place. And I, in fact, think there’s way too much of it in places that children watch. However, most people don’t even notice it when women do it, but they’re so edgy and anxious and weirded out in general when confronted with a gay man who’s about to exhibit *his* sexuality that the general perception is that the gay guy has gone way *farther* than the other folks have gone when, in fact, he’s done something completely comparable. In my opinion, we have all convinced ourselves that we’re perfectly *fine* with gay men and their sexuality, so most of us are in huge denial that, in fact, actual confrontation with a gay man’s sexuality sets our alarm response at a high high level.

If I have to listen one more time to people telling me that Adam’s two-second “blow job” was *way* *way* *way* more a sexual simulation than Shakira’s quite-a-few-seconds-long enthusiastic humping, among other things on that show, I think I may vomit, honestly. It wasn’t. Plain and simple. But our discomfort with gay sexuality — which we all deny that we have any longer — compared to our over-familiarity with watching female orgasm-simulating all over every virtually *every* pop-singing performance makes us see the gay act as overly sexual, while we hardly even register the other simulated sex acts as particularly sexual at all, any more.

The media doesn’t care if an artist has a bad performance vocally on award shows. Judging by the respons to Kellyes performance they don’t seem to care if it was vocally awesome either’ ¦

yup!

First Single Crush, then Crush Video, then album, then mini tour, then AI with ‘Touch my hand’  (consideration for 2nd single), then Archie camp wanted ‘A Little Too Not Over You’  (David was a writer), Video and release to radio’ ¦very little sales or radio play, then EP containing ‘Zero Gravity’  (Archie penned song used at live performances)’ ¦.summer tour with Demi Lovato’ ¦..Christmas album and combined Christmas & greatest hits tour’ ¦.working on 3rd album.

First Single: near multi-platinum Crush, then Crush Video, then 700K selling album, then Jingle Ball tour including Madison Sq Garden Z100, which is the grandaddy of Jingle Balls, then release of ALTNOY which received no backing from Jive and sold about 160K, then release of ALTNOY video. Then solo sold-out tour, then British tour supporting uber popular British group McFly which received critical acclaim. Then AI appearance, which Archie himself was disappointed in his nervous performance (and he was very sick). Then release of Fan Pack (3 songs), then summer tour with Demi Lovato. Release of Christmas Album and solo Christmas tour including appearance with Ann Arbor symphony sponsored by Disney. In between release of duet with Miley Cyrus and appearance on Hannah Montana and appearance on iCarly.

There now, all fixed.

If I have to listen one more time to people telling me that Adam’s two-second ‘blow job’  was *way* *way* *way* more a sexual simulation than Shakira’s quite-a-few-seconds-long enthusiastic humping, among other things on that show, I think I may vomit, honestly. It wasn’t. Plain and simple.

Thank You.

And for the record I think it was so much more inappropriate to have guns on stage than anything Adam did – oh but that’s right is ok for kids to shoot guns just not to know about sex. But bowing out of all this rehash now. Off to listen to my Adam song of the day “Fever” …

Again, have to disagree here. I really don’t hear many people out of the bubble saying ‘what a jerk that Lambert is’  ‘“ I don’t think many people were THAT bothered by his post-AMA interviews. Some were offended, or turned off, by the performance, but his handling of it afterwards, and even more so on shows like Ellen the following week, were met with a lot of positivity. He handled himself well in a decidedly difficult situation.

yup!!

But really, who is going to be buying at this point? As that drop of sales from first to second week indicate, that was more his base vs. casual sales since

You have a list to the numbers? Can you please provide. IMHO just because he wasn’t mentioned in HDD sales does not mean he totally bombed otherwise I think they would have pointed that out. As in the past the do mention when someone has dropped off tremendously. But it also could be true but I guess I will just lean toward the side of he will drop off the same as any other new artist after Black Friday week.

IMO, that’s exactly what he did on Idol, week after week.

For his fans and those who watch Idol and buy records, yes – though not everyone liked his vocals or performance style.

I think Adam should perform and present himself exactly how he wants to and how he chooses to – and I agree with the ‘damned if he does, damned if he doesn’t comments’.

BUT, the fact is that if you stand yourself in the path of a hurricane, you’re going to get blasted by the wind.

If he’s happy to reap the whirwind and reap both the positive publicity and ride the potential negativity, then fine.

But to do so without a solid track record behind you risks being ripped apart by the crosswinds (sorry, I’m enjoying this metaphor a bit too much).

In other words – yes Adam should be able to be as flamboyantly and openly sexual as anyone esle and he should be able to push the boundaries in the same way as his female/straight contemporaries, without receiving any different standard of critique.

But, in a world where many people don’t share that belief, he risks rejection as a result.

I honestly hope that he gets past this and is a success, because it will say something about America in the 21st Century, as well as rewarding the man’s talents.

But you can’t challenge the limits of people’s opinions and not expect some people to react.

Edit: it would be easier to withstand any negativity with an established record of success.

First Single Crush, then Crush Video, then album, then mini tour, then AI with ‘Touch my hand’  (consideration for 2nd single), then Archie camp wanted ‘A Little Too Not Over You’  (David was a writer), Video and release to radio’ ¦very little sales or radio play, then EP containing ‘Zero Gravity’  (Archie penned song used at live performances)’ ¦.summer tour with Demi Lovato’ ¦..Christmas album and combined Christmas & greatest hits tour’ ¦.working on 3rd album.

Busy boy! My daughter loves Archie. She asked me the other day if I ever saw on the AI sites if he was dating anyone? I’ve never seen mention of it.
He is a cute, talented, famous young man? Does he not date?

ozarka
12/06/2009 at 12:41 pm

David Archuleta, an ‘American Idol’  for the family

CHRONICLE: His concert at the Grove of Anaheim drew entire families

In the first half of the concert Archie (as his fans affectionately call him) delighted his audience with songs from his pop album including ‘Crush,’  along with other selections where he played the piano and rendered an impressive interpretation of ‘Fields of Gold,’  dedicated to the late singer Eva Cassidy.

Thanks ozarka,

Here is the video of “Fields of Gold” at Anaheim.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dLsyFypT6-s

He sings like this every night.

You have a list to the numbers? Can you please provide. IMHO just because he wasn’t mentioned in HDD sales does not mean he totally bombed otherwise I think they would have pointed that out. As in the past the do mention when someone has dropped off tremendously. But it also could be true but I guess I will just lean toward the side of he will drop off the same as any other new artist after Black Friday week.

Yup. Looks like everyone (except Christmas albums) are having big drops after Black Friday. Nothing unusual with that or the media would be picking up on it.

I love the ‘go little album go’  made me chuckle. I bought it it is great I really like the duet with him and Charice. He really has a phenomenal voice.

true that. the little cd that could i think is selling itself on the strength of just that – lords knows it isn’t because there have been mounds of promo thrown its way, or scandal /controversy fueling the rise… david’s raw talent, great performances live, and folks hearing him, and this cd are being won over… he ain’t the flashiest guy out there, but he’s grinding out his post idol success in the trenches, one fan at a time, and building a strong, loyal and devoted following across all ages , races, etc. ima fan, but it doesn’t change the fact that david is simply awesome…

ozarka
12/06/2009 at 3:36 pm
album review’ ¦
Holidays past and present celebrated on CDs

Another notable name with a new holiday release this season is David Archuleta, the boy wonder from American Idol, who sounds positively cherubic on ‘Christmas from the Heart’  (19/Jive).————-
http://toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20091206/ART10/912059979/-1/ART02

Thanks Ozarka, just love little cheerry news Brightens my day. Thanks again.

But how will he have a hit record if people don’t buy it? I know, it’s a simplistic question. But really, who is going to be buying at this point? As that drop of sales from first to second week indicate, that was more his base vs. casual sales since. He doesn’t have a hit single at this point, so he’s not going be tied to his music at this point, no matter how much he himself might just concentrate on the music. He can do that all he wants from now on, be largely ignored by the media it, and still have poor album sales.

Have you seen Gagas album numbers for the past year? Instant succes just ain’t gonna happen. If Adam had a really bad album we’d be right to worry because then there’s no singles to help the album. That is usually the case with idol albums but I think Adams album is good enough to work in the long run.

There now, all fixed.

LOL! He also released an EP of his set of 5 AOL Sessions songs. And what about his performance on AI? Oh and let’s not forget all of his awards! The Teen Choice Awards, the ALMA awards, he even had an appearance on the Kids Choice Awards and AMA awards. And your forgetting all the national anthem performances at the ProBowl, at the US Open, the Utah governor’s inauguration, etc. It goes on and on. I’m sure I’m missing a lot of other stuff.

ETA: Oh, and he was a keynote speaker at the Women’s Conference. That’s a big one!

Yes, David (A) dates. He doesn’t talk about it though, and I don’t blame him. I suspect that the world will know only when he gets serious about someone.

In other words ‘“ yes Adam should be able to be as flamboyantly aqnd openly sexual as anyone esle and he should be able to push the boundaries in the same way as his female/straight contemporaries, without receiving any different standard of critique.

But, in a world where many people don’t share that belief, he risks rejection as a result.

I honestly hope that he gets past this and is a success, because it will say something about America in the 21st Century, as well as rewarding the man’s talents.

But you can’t challenge the limits of people’s opinions and not expect some people to react.

I totally agree with this.

If I were Adam, though, I’d rather push the limits because I think that’s the only way the society as a whole will move forward. And I might think the price would be too high if it meant I would have a career only in gay clubs, if I did this. Today, though, I think enough people have moved to another place that you can probably have a quite strong and substantial big-niche career if you do push the envelope.

But I could certainly understand why he might make a different choice, figuring that trying to push his career as a pop singer as high on the charts as he can possibly go is more important to him than that. (not that he’s guaranteed a very high spot there, even if he *does* compromise, of course!)

I’ll be interesting to see what he does, as time goes on.

doesn’t look like bocelli, boyle, gaga are going to fare that badly after black friday… the media is very lazy in actually doing a lot of that little thing called research before printing many articles… much easier to go along with the program than to think for oneself, or actually present real facts – not sexy or titillating enough, i guess….

Just to support KathyH’s answer (not that she needs it) I have first hand (visual) knowledge that Archie dates. I also would agree the world will never know much about it because his choice in dates are neighborhood girls for the most part.

You have a list to the numbers? Can you please provide. IMHO just because he wasn’t mentioned in HDD sales does not mean he totally bombed otherwise I think they would have pointed that out. As in the past the do mention when someone has dropped off tremendously. But it also could be true but I guess I will just lean toward the side of he will drop off the same as any other new artist after Black Friday week.

IIRC, HDD or someone associated with them, said ‘Boccelli/Boyle duking it out for first place, big drops by Rhianna and Lambert.’ And Rhianna WAS on their list at expected to do 55/60(IIRC). Bieber had a big drop as well, and the last person on their list was at like 50-44 and Adam wasn’t on their list. So yeah, I say be prepared for a big drop, like an 80% one, when the numbers do come out. I could be wrong, happened before, will happen again. We’ll see.

Anyhew,

Adam now needs to get out there and perform his music, not go on shows just to constantly defend himself.

You mean like do a Kimmel mini-concert? Or just do music at NYE on the most watched one? Or maybe performing, and not just hosting, some Jingle Balls? Now Adam may be on things like Conan and Leno and doing his music, and he may have an interview or not, but you can bet than when he does, he will be asked about the AMAs/fallout, whether he wants to or not. Adam can’t control what he’s asked, or what the media perceives as the story, so will ask/care about. Nature of the beast. So Adam could totally get a media backlash about things that he doesn’t want to talk about, but keeps on being asked about all while his music is largely ignored. Eh.

The question will become if he can get his music out there enough to make up for all this other crap inbetween these interviews and via radio? And will it be enough? and when will it start having a positive effect on his album sales? if it does. And how long RCA will give him?

Ozarka, I tell you, when I have very little time here, I just scroll down and look for your post -just enough to brighten my day.
I missed you when you went on vacation. Hope you had a good one.

edit: Please refrain from the pointless fanwarring

The question will become if he can get his music out there enough to make up for all this other crap inbetween these interviews and via radio? And will it be enough? and when will it start having a positive effect on his album sales? if it does. And how long RCA will give him?

Oh, I think RCA is more than happy!

Have you seen Gagas number for the past year? Instant succes just ain’t gonna happen. If Adam had a really bad album we’d be right to worry because then there’s no singles to help the album. That is usually the case with idol albums but I think Adams album is good enough to work in the long run.

ITA – I know a lot of people were offended by the AMA performance, or what they heard about it if they didn’t see it. But I think a lot of other people, especially younger people, were impressed.

All of my 3 kids (in their 20s) and their friends said “Adam is cooler than ever” and had no problem with what he did (although they got the West Coast feed so missed out on the most controversial move). Young people have seen so much sex, violence and more, it is really hard to shock them. What he did wasn’t so much what impressed them, but that he’s had the courage to stand by what he did, and be true to himself, while recognizing that he may have offended some people.

Even my oldest, who is mainly a country music fan, is very impressed with his album. She and her boyfriend (both 27) are pretty much both “country” fans wanted me to play WWFM several times from my DVR of Ellen and the Early Show.

I feel quite pleased with the album and while it may take a while to catch on, I feel very encouraged. Perhaps he made a misstep at the AMA, but I also think there was some small positive benefit to it also.

Some of the “fans” he lost were probably going to lose interest soon anyway. I doubt Adam is going to stick to safe ballads and just standing there singing. Part of what he wants to do includes dancing, and big glitzy numbers. Get used to it, or find someone else to listen to, watch, or write about.

Thanks ozarka for the additions. I was kind of trying to stick to the items that related directly to the releases of songs and cd’s. But as you point out, Archie has certainly not had a quiet moment since Idol.

Adam can’t control what he’s asked, or what the media perceives as the story, so will ask/care about

Yes he can. That’s what publicists are for. They can specify what is ‘off limits’ in a discussion. It’s done all the time.

The question will become if he can get his music out there enough to make up for all this other crap inbetween these interviews and via radio? And will it be enough? and when will it start having a positive effect on his album sales?

Those questions are for all artists. They aren’t Adam exclusive.

And how long RCA will give him?

RCA would be fools to drop Adam now and they aren’t fools. He hasn’t even hit his peak yet. Many more people have had MUCH harder humps to deal with than one bad performance and they haven’t been dropped by their labels.

Doesn’t the slow and steady progress apply to Adam as well or does it only apply to Kris?

Unfortunately it depends on who you ask. For me personally the slow and steady progress applies to both.

Can you please provide. IMHO just because he wasn’t mentioned in HDD sales does not mean he totally bombed otherwise I think they would have pointed that out.

HDD doesn’t predict who will bomb in early predictions. The just list the albums they think have a chance for the Top 10 with their estimated sales. HDD had 14 albums listed and no Adam so supposedly his sold less than 55K which was the bottom number to make the list.

And who knows if the controvery hurt. I just don’t think the media about the controversy helped, because Adam’s drop is already above the usual drop for a second week (60=65% is the norm). But we won’t know until next week what the actual numbers are. Albums with big presales often show big decreases but all that publicity could have reversed that trend. It doesn’t seem to have done that.

Adam can’t control what he’s asked, or what the media perceives as the story, so will ask/care about

Yes he can. That’s what publicists are for. They can specify what is ‘off limits’ in a discussion. It’s done all the time.

No, Adam’s publicists might request that, but the reporters aren’t obligated to do so. And if told they can’t ask that, might not have him on, because that’s what they care about. Oh and even if Adam never talks about it himself, the story can still be out there and taking over everything else. Like last week when Adam did Ellen, then rumors started about the ABC cancellations, and Adam confirmed it via Tweets and saying not to blam ABC and nothing else from him. But the story didn’t need him to be a story about him and creating yet another brouhaha.

Adam could and did say nothing to contribute to any of last week’s stuff beyond Tweets about cancellations, concentrating on the music, being positive, not ABC’s fault, or announcing his new gigs. And none of his general lack of comment about it, mattered.

Yes he can. That’s what publicists are for. They can specify what is ‘off limits’ in a discussion. It’s done all the time.

Well, we all know what happened when they tried to do that with Out magazine…

IIRC, HDD or someone associated with them, said ‘Boccelli/Boyle duking it out for first place, big drops by Rhianna and Lambert.’

Well the article never mentions Adam at all. The talk of Adam was just speculation since his name wasn’t in the article. But it could be true as I said it just isn’t written in stone or paper for that matter. I am one not for “Microwave” success anyway. In 6-9 months from now will determine success or not. Even that will be relative.

And who knows if the controvery hurt. I just don’t think the media about the controversy helped, because Adam’s drop is already above the usual drop for a second week (60=65% is the norm). But we won’t know until next week what the actual numbers are.

Plus that we’re moving from a shopping week so the drop is probably 10% more.

Yes he can. That’s what publicists are for. They can specify what is ‘off limits’ in a discussion. It’s done all the time.

very true clearone

I hate to say it but I’m worried about the drop.on iTunes(I know iTunes is small) fye is down in like the 70s. allison’s expected to sell 30k and adam’s below her.I just really really hope I’m wrong(I don’t care about numbers but I don’t want to defend a “failure”)

anyone this is yet another thread of total negativity…

I hate to say it but I’m worried about the drop.on iTunes(I know iTunes is small) fye is down in like the 70s. allison’s expected to sell 30k and adam’s below her.I just really really hope I’m wrong(I don’t care about numbers but I don’t want to defend a ‘failure’ )

anyone this is yet another thread of total negativity’ ¦

I’m not so worried about itunes luv. Rihanna was higher up on itunes all Adams debut week and he sold more than her.

He is a cute, talented, famous young man? Does he not date?

David does manage to date and he keeps it on the down low. but nothing’s ever all that top secret as much as he tries. There is one girl from back home he doesn’t mind mentioning a lot and she even came out on his summer tour with him for a few days. Her name is Ashlee of ‘Omigosh Ashlee!” fame.

There now, all fixed.

There was also a mini tour and media blitz in Malaysia and Singapore in April. The Idol performance came before the British tour and he even had to miss the first two concerts because of it. Then after the Britsh tour he met with Cook in Manilla for a mega concert they gave there.

In fact, I give Cook and Archie both credit for just working non-stop since Idol ended. Not a lazy bone in their bodies. But it’s gotta be so worth it to them because they love the music so much. That’s the key.

And how long RCA will give him?

My bet is they dump him by Christmas? Any takers? I’m surprised they didn’t just tell him to pack his bags after the AMAs. Career done…see you later fellow. Geesh…I could be snarky all day.

I’m so glad by bosses were a little patient with me…you know when I blew that presentation and we lost the big job because I went a bit off script…..but they kept me around. Guess they thought I had something to bring to the table. Made me work harder, and probably a lot smarter. Sometimes having a down day will be for the better in the long run.

But then, I forget, Idols aren’t real people. They are reality show contestants cut out of cardboard and are played like paper dolls.

And who knows if the controvery hurt. I just don’t think the media about the controversy helped, because Adam’s drop is already above the usual drop for a second week (60=65% is the norm). But we won’t know until next week what the actual numbers are.

Plus that we’re moving from a shopping week so the drop is probably 10% more.

This week would typically have bigger percentage drops than other weeks, especially for albums that were new last week, because it’s coming off an exceptionally high sales week. This week I think that 75 to 80 percent drops for albums that were new in Black Friday week is pretty common. ….

WWFM is climbing on the charts, though, and eventually that ought to shore up Adam’s sales, if people like the song.

The LLWD single really languished in its early days of picking up radio play, but now it’s really moving very strongly. That’s just one of many examples of radio play helping sales, but not when the play first starts. It just takes a little time.

Yes he can. That’s what publicists are for. They can specify what is ‘off limits’ in a discussion. It’s done all the time.

Well, we all know what happened when they tried to do that with Out magazine’ ¦

…and really, how many people know about that?

Sadly I doubt he could do it on The View or LKL but with any late night appearances, why not? A line has to be drawn somewhere or this is going to go on forever and ever and then some. He says it’s about the music now, well let’s see that.

HDD doesn’t predict who will bomb in early predictions. The just list the albums they think have a chance for the Top 10 with their estimated sales. HDD had 14 albums listed and no Adam so supposedly his sold less than 55K which was the bottom number to make the list.

First I have read HDD articles where they do predict who has dropped drastically, Second People not on there list sometimes make the top 10. Miley Cyrus anyone. But I am not saying that is what will happen in Adam’s case. Again even if he has a huge drop off number that it not his epitaph. Just as him selling 198K and placing 3 was not his epitaph either. It’s the long haul that makes a difference and I for one think he is in it for the long haul. IMHO.

ETA: Oh, and he was a keynote speaker at the Women’s Conference. That’s a big one!—

Oh, isn’t Archie also writing his Memoir – ha ha ha, busy boy indeed.

And who knows if the controvery hurt. I just don’t think the media about the controversy helped, because Adam’s drop is already above the usual drop for a second week (60=65% is the norm).

Coming off of a Black Friday week I would expect a higher than normal sales drop.

edit: deleted post you were replying to. No fanwarring please

I hate to say it but I’m worried about the drop.on iTunes(I know iTunes is small) fye is down in like the 70s. allison’s expected to sell 30k and adam’s below her.I just really really hope I’m wrong(I don’t care about numbers but I don’t want to defend a ‘failure’ )

Luv – I wouldn’t worry too much. Right now, in the top 20 Pop on iTunes albums Allison is #10, Adam is #12 (reg) and #14 (deluxe) and Kris is #18. So Adam is probably doing just fine if you’re comparing them, and probably better since he has 2 albums there. I think they are all doing well all things considered. Has there ever been an Idol year when there were 3 “graduates” with albums competing in Pop? I don’t really know never having been an Idol watcher.

Oh my I am embarrassed. I live one town over from Archie and should know more about his accomplishments. I have my homework cut out for me.

Can I use the excuse that I am a relatively recent transplant? LOL

Coming off of a Black Friday week I would expect a higher than normal sales drop.

i don’t think david cook had a higher than normal post bf drop last year, nor david a… the numbers are out there, i’ve seen them, just don’t know exactly where they are… if anyone has them, please post…. there are many numbers gurus who post here that will have the hard data…

I’m still wondering whether Jive is going to have Allison release another single quickly, because FIBOU doesn’t seem to be doing anything, either in terms of sales or radio play ‘” and it was released awhile ago.

Oh let it be Scars…Please oh please….sorry just love that song!

Yes he can. That’s what publicists are for. They can specify what is ‘off limits’ in a discussion. It’s done all the time.

Well, we all know what happened when they tried to do that with Out magazine

Exactly what I was going to say as well. That worked so well before for Adam.

RCA would be fools to drop Adam now and they aren’t fools. He hasn’t even hit his peak yet. Many more people have had MUCH harder humps to deal with than one bad performance and they haven’t been dropped by their labels.

Why would they be fools to do so? I mean I’m not talking that they’re going to drop him NOW. Or even in the next few weeks, but RCA isn’t going to give Adam many months to prove that he can make money for them. Again, they’re sunk a fair amount of money into him already and he’s not some artist of their that has a track record of previous album selling well to where this is an anomaly. Just look at the history of Idols dropped from their labels when their first album didn’t do as expected and what kind of timeframe they were given.

I mean we’ll see. A lot, I mean a lot seems to be riding on WWFM doing well on radio and getting out there, which again, this should have been done all before his album dropped so that it could have that cushion of something after the first week of sales. Not to mention if he had been getting out there with his music, than his AMA flub musically might have had more of a bulwark there as well.

And who knows if the controvery hurt. I just don’t think the media about the controversy helped, because Adam’s drop is already above the usual drop for a second week (60=65% is the norm). But we won’t know until next week what the actual numbers are.

Nah. Even if it drops more than that, then it still means nothing. It was both black Friday week and there was intense media attention the first week it was out, so more idol fans might have bought week 1 than normally would have. There’s really no way to make any kind of sense out of a single week’s number or drop. And since it’s acknowledged that the first few weeks of idol sales are to AI fans, it really has no meaning at all other than giving a general indication of idol fan base size. I doubt many non-idol fans are buying the album because of the media attention. But they are becoming aware of him and when they hear his music they will make the association. Some it will turn off, others it will attract. That’s the way of pop art and music. His fan base will slowly grow over time, like any other new artist. However, I suspect he’ll attract many more casual listeners and curiosity seekers to his concerts than most artists would. And since that is both where the long term money is and an opportunity to turn an idyll listener (pun intended) into a music buyer, he should do well.

HDD makes mistakes. I’m not predicting doom and gloom. I just don’t think all the media about the AMA did much for the sales of Adam’s music this week. That’s really my only point.

Archie has also been seen quite a bit with that blonde girl on iCarly, Jennette McCurdy. She was backstage with him at David’s Anaheim concert. And, on another occasion, I read that she asked him to go with her to one of the concerts he has tweeted about (not his concert but some other artist’s concert). To her credit, she doesn’t twitter about it. It’s all hush hush.

Sadly I doubt he could do it on The View or LKL but with any late night appearances, why not?

Adam wasn’t interviewed on Letterman. Kimmel cancelled him. I heard there is usually no interview on Conan.

What appearance are you referring to? Leno?

It should apply to everyone. It does look like Adam’s album sales are going to take a big hit this week, but that won’t be a big deal as long as it doesn’t continue to have big drops as the weeks go on. Same thing with Kris or Allison or whoever.

Yup. I agree.

the pop chart on itunes is cool, but it’s the overall chart that really tells the tale of how the cd’s stack up against cd’s across all genres… i dunno how others view it, but i rarely even look at the pop charts there to get a feel for how cd’s are stacking up against one another… all three’s competition is now with the other artists out there, established and new in the game, so that one means more to me… how they are running w/the big dogs, so to speak…

Only in the idol fandom is the first two weeks of sales of any relevance. The third week seems pretty much the pattern that the album follows for the next 2-4 weeks as the singles get more airplay.

The reason why people are predicting a huge drop for Adam is because HDD had a chart of predictions, and the lowest predicted total was something around 45 or 50K. Adam wasn’t on the list, which means he is being predicted to sell less than 50K in his 2nd week. That is a big drop from 198K the first week.

But again, it doesn’t mean his career is doomed. John Mayer’s new album dropped more than 70% in its 2nd week. In fact, of the albums that debuted on 11/17, I think Kris’ 59% drop was the 2nd lowest — all kinds of people had drops of 60+ %. It’s pretty common. And at least Adam is starting from strong 1st week sales. He should be fine.

Re: albums ‘“ Kris has shown positive movement over the last couple of days. The overall chart is so cluttered with Christmas stuff that I’ll post only the Pop album chart:

Allison #10
Adam #12 & #14
Kris #18 (was #22 a couple of days ago)

The Canadian pop itunes chart is a little different:

Singles
FYE – #26
WWFM – #77
LLWD – #128
No Allison

Albums
Adam – FYE – #11
Allison – #32
Kris – #143

I have never heard Kris or Allison played on radio and I listen to 3 different stations over the week.

There is a whole big world out there.

MJ: Regardless of what other newsoutlets are posting right now’“and in my view, all those articles are really ONE article’ ¦a rehash of a single news story. Those articles only prove that the Adam/ABC story developed legs.

What’s significant about this morning’s Freep story, is that it could start a chain reaction. This is how the newscycle works’“one article begets more articles from other journalists who read the article and go hm’ ¦ And then it progresses like a snowball rolling down a hill.

If Adam gets back on track, it might not happen. If he keeps making headlines for stuff other than his singing’ ¦well, like others of said, watch for the backlash.

Here is the entire Adam Lambert portions of the Freep story:

And we can’t begin to list all the pseudo, wannabe and semi-celebrities who shamelessly threw themselves into the limelight, from the Gosselins to the endless stream of Michael Jackson mourners to the gyrating, guy-kissing Adam Lambert, who seems to grow in stature with each show that cancels him.
Lambert, an “American Idol” runner-up, is one of Barbara Walters’ most fascinating people of the year.
Really? For what?

The Freep story is over 12 hours old, so did it start a news cycle? No. Did it start an “Adam backlash”? No. It isn’t even the first major article on this topic — it is the second, “Is Adam really that Facinating?” appeared in the Santa Rosa Press Democrat blog on 12/3/09. Last year there were similar stories about the 2008 Barbara Walters Most Facinating People list.

Here are the big Adam stories — ranked in order of the most new stories in the past 12 hours. And no sign of an “Adam backlash”.

1. Adam will appear on The View – 893 articles — hottest news — started on 12/4/09, peaked 12 hours ago — a very long news cycle.

2. Adam visits San Diego/Hard Rock Cafe – 315 articles – started 12/3/09 peaked on 12/4/09

3. Adam on “most facinating people list” — 595 articles – started 12/1/09 peaked on 12/3/09 — most promo for show and pick-up from ABC press releases. No print articles questioned if Adam was “facinating”, — SR PD Idol blog and Freep Albom online column

4. AMA performance — over 14,000 articles, over 5,000 in past 7 days

5. Susan Boyle beats Adam — 1,044 articles

Not only isn’t there a sign of an “Adam backlash” — almost all of the Adam press is favorable. Adam can thank ABC for that — because ABC just keeps making this story news. First the edit, then the nonsensical statement and GMA cancellation, then ABC disinvites him to two more shows, then they try to co-op GLAAD to support ABC, then the GLAAD deal collaspes and GLAAD calls on people to question ABC’s double standard, then ABC invites Adam to perform and be interviewed on The View on 12/10 — their top-rated network talk show.

And I wouldn’t hold your breath waiting for this backlash. I don’t think the press wants to tear down Adam. Anyway, the Adam news cycle has more stories already lined up — we will have the Adam is on BW Facinating People Show story reactivated on 12/8/09 with another wave of pre-show PR + the preshow buzz for The View and 12/9/09 reports about the BW show, then The View on 12/10. And that is assuming that Adam stays under the radar until 12/10/09. Oh yes, and he will be singing the US National Anthem at one of the hottest events in LA on 12/09/09 — the ADL Los Angeles Dinner to honor Steven Spielberg.

Finally, as far as headlines goes, this is the latest Adam headline [12 minutes old] — one for his scrapbook:

Adam Lambert Beats ABC, Gets To Perform On The View

There is a whole big world out there.

Yup. And he can use the same album! No extra cost!

Archie has also been seen quite a bit with that blonde girl on iCarly, Jennette McCurdy. She was backstage with him at David’s Anaheim concert. And, on another occasion, I read that she asked him to go with her to one of the concerts he has tweeted about (not his concert but some other artist’s concert).

lol,really? My friend is obsessed with her.

This is a little off-topic but at least for me the thing I’m most mad at abc for is cancelling the dick Clark new years thing.I can live w/o jimmy kimmel,but rockin new years eve could have gotten Adam some FANTASTIC promotion for fye.

Why would they be fools to do so?

Adam still garners a lot of attention,which can equal lots of money if managed correctly for one reason. Secondly, he’s amazingly talented and unique. third, his album has received good reviews. Fourth, he had one of the highest first week sales of any NEW artist in 2009, must I go on???

I mean I’m not talking that they’re going to drop him NOW. Or even in the next few weeks, but RCA isn’t going to give Adam many months to prove that he can make money for them.

Months??? So Adam has 6 months to sell millions of records or he’s done??? lol I really have no comment for that.

the pop chart on itunes is cool, but it’s the overall chart that really tells the tale of how the cd’s stack up against cd’s across all genres’ ¦ i dunno how others view it, but i rarely even look at the pop charts there to get a feel for how cd’s are stacking up against one another’ ¦ all three’s competition is now with the other artists out there, established and new in the game, so that one means more to me’ ¦ how they are running w/the big dogs, so to speak’ ¦

I disagree for 2 reasons: the overall chart right now is heavy with Christmas music and I don’t want to compare that. Also, I think it’s more accurate to compare them in the genre they are actually competing in with established artists in that genre. That said, the iTunes genres can be confusing. Like John Mayer being “rock” and Susan Boyle as “pop” for instance I find slightly misleading, but can see that they have to put them where they best fit.

THANK YOU Q3!!!

his career is doomed

I think that statement needs dramatic background music…

i don’t think david cook had a higher than normal post bf drop last year

Cook’s drop from Black Friday was about 22%.

The good news is in next two weeks sales should pick up for everyone since it will be the busiest buying time. This happened in Cook’s case last year.

Here are what his numbers looked like last year:

Week 1 280K
Week 2 112k – Black Friday Week
Week 3 87K
Week 4 104k
Week 5 129K
Week 6 101k
Week 7 – January begins – 31k

RCA isn’t going to drop Adam. He would have to string together a bunch of incidents that reflect badly on him and the label for them to even consider dropping him. And his album is going to sell, even if it isn’t likely to be the massive multi-platinum success that a few of his most ardent fans were predicting. He’s an extremely talented guy who should be able to build a fanbase outside of the AI bubble, once he is able to shake free of stuff like this “controversy” and is able to just worry about the music, touring, etc.

Likewise, I don’t think either Kris or Allison is in any danger of losing their label deal anytime soon. Jive appears to regard them more as new artists, rather than simply as Idol alums who should sell huge amounts right away. It also helps that Jive doesn’t seem to have people on their roster who necessarily sell a ton of albums — at least no recently — as shown by the fact that Kris’ 80+K sales was the 2nd highest 1st week total for any Jive artist this year. And LLWD is doing well enough to likely get him another single. And Jive should realize that it will take some time to establish Allison, since she doesn’t really fit in with the other teens like Miley, Demi, Selena, etc. in terms of musical style.

Now, down the road could any or all of them getting dropped? Sure they could. But I don’t seen it happening within the next year or so.

The reason why people are predicting a huge drop for Adam is because HDD had a chart of predictions, and the lowest predicted total was something around 45 or 50K. Adam wasn’t on the list, which means he is being predicted to sell less than 50K in his 2nd week. That is a big drop from 198K the first week.

But again, it doesn’t mean his career is doomed. John Mayer’s new album dropped more than 70% in its 2nd week. In fact, of the albums that debuted on 11/17, I think Kris’ 59% drop was the 2nd lowest ‘” all kinds of people had drops of 60+ %. It’s pretty common. And at least Adam is starting from strong 1st week sales. He should be fine.

FYE will be around 250K units sold at the end of today — we’ll know the sales next week. And that is not bad for a debut by a Idol runner-up.

Adam’s FYE will probably drop 75% because of several factors — large preorder in first week, Idol albums drop on average 68% [normalized sales week 1 to week 2] and FYE was released Thanksgiving week which is a much bigger sales week than this week.

Kris and Cook’s Week 2 was Thanksgiving week — usually the biggest album sales week of the year. Here are their sales declines:

Kris Allen week 2: down 59% [and that was with Thanksgiving sales up over 30% versus the previous week.]

David Cook 279,000 Week 1, David Cook’s album dropped 60% in sales, from 280,000 to 112,000..

Archie’s sales dropped 66% in week 2.

sorry can’t edit. there should be a “what ” after the but.in fact,ignore that entire post because suebrody edited her pot and my question is answered.

thanks aileen – i knew his drop was not ”huge” post black friday… will be interesting to see how everyone fares come tomorrow and tuesday when the numbers come in….

OK…I’m amazed. That anyone should even care if and whom Archie is dating. Does Allison date?

And considering that this is Christmas season and Christmas albums better be selling right now because they go into hibernation in 3 weeks…I don’t think anyone can make a case for the standings on I-tunes right now. It’s Sunday…we get sales data on Tuesday afternoon. Then we can see how everyone is going.

suebrody

I wuv you! I really don’t want to hear another thing about the AMA mess. I want to hear him sing even if it’s on one of these talk shows…all of which I am looking forward to. He coulda, shoulda, woulda, It’s done and there ain’t nothing we can do about it.

Think about where we (including adam) were 2 weeks ago right now. I so want to move on.

just hoping….

It does look like Adam’s album sales are going to take a big hit this week, but that won’t be a big deal as long as it doesn’t continue to have big drops as the weeks go on. Same thing with Kris or Allison or whoever.

Agreed. So the question is can Adam stabilize from that huge first drop and can he grow from there? And how? Because clearly this last week with all the brouhaha did NOT help his sales. So how can his sales be helped going forward? And we have no idea about Kris’s album sales this week. As someone said, the only thing we’ve know is that the single LLWD had been doing better and better for weeks, and now is doing even better. Yay!

We know Allison’s sales will not be stellar, and that FIBOU isn’t burning up the singles chart. So will Jive choose another single? Which can be expensive, but maybe they will cut their losses and just go forward? Kind of like what was done with FYE the single vs. WWFM.

And we’ll see how well WWFM does going forward. It’s start seems to be pretty good, but it’s overall iTunes placement isn’t great. Hopefully there will be some upwards movement with TV appearances and increased radio play. As LLWD shows though, that can be slow going. And it won’t necessarily make the album a big hit either. Though I maintain it helped stabilize it and can be a place to go upwards, later on.

And where are Adam’s, Kris’s and Allison’s albums in the overall chart? The pop chart is kind of useless.

I want to hear him sing even if it’s on one of these talk shows’ ¦all of which I am looking forward to.

Same here!

i don’t think david cook had a higher than normal post bf drop last year, nor david a’ ¦ the numbers are out there, i’ve seen them, just don’t know exactly where they are’ ¦ if anyone has them, please post’ ¦. there are many numbers gurus who post here that will have the hard data’ ¦

I don’t think anyone has said that *everyone* has a bigger-than-normal drop. I didn’t mean to imply that, if you’re thinking that I did.

All that’s being said is that, in this particular week, a bigger-than-the-average drop is something that happens to a *lot* of people.

Lots of albums don’t follow the “usual” pattern of sales drops — in *any* week. But that’s not to say that there aren’t some patterns.

I would think that Adam would be one of those with a bigger-than-average drop this week because he doesn’t have a song strongly out there yet and never has had a song strongly out there. And because he’s more polarizing than most people, and thus not nearly as much of an impulse purchase as many others, I would think. I kind of think that if you’re polarizing and perceived as kind of out-there, people scratch their heads a bit before they buy, even if they begin to get intrigued.

If I have to listen one more time to people telling me that Adam’s two-second ‘blow job’  was *way* *way* *way* more a sexual simulation than Shakira’s quite-a-few-seconds-long enthusiastic humping, among other things on that show, I think I may vomit, honestly. It wasn’t. Plain and simple. But our discomfort with gay sexuality ‘” which we all deny that we have any longer ‘” compared to our over-familiarity with watching female orgasm-simulating all over every virtually *every* pop-singing performance makes us see the gay act as overly sexual, while we hardly even register the other simulated sex acts as particularly sexual at all, any more.

I understand the passion here, but I think its displaced. All the humping, bumping, grinding, and crotch grabbing is pretty par for the course these days. Has been for a while. So if Adam has stuck to the SAME types of things that are passe for everyone else, then he’d have a very strong point. But the BJs are NOT common occurances in live TV performances. They just are not. Especially not unscripted ones. So it is hard to argue that this is PURELY about homophobia. Some of the backlash is indeed about that, but I think it is disengenous to treat him as if he is some kind of moral crusader who is totally blameless IMO. He is not.

Only in the idol fandom is the first two weeks of sales of any relevance. The third week seems pretty much the pattern that the album follows for the next 2-4 weeks as the singles get more airplay.

I agree. I think a big second week drop in this case is pretty normal. Its what happens the third week and beyond that will tell the real story.

I really don’t see RCA giving up on him anytime soon, even if christmas turns out to be a bit rough. He has a song climbing the chart, so the potential for a hit song and future revue is there. They would at least push one more song before they stop trying, I think.

Week 1 280K
Week 2 112k ‘“ Black Friday Week
Week 3 87K
Week 4 104k
Week 5 129K
Week 6 101k
Week 7 ‘“ January begins ‘“ 31k

Wow…that is impressive. Cookie did do really well. He should be damn proud to have kept his sales up during the month of December. Over 800 K out of the gate. And he’s added on another 450K+ over the last year. Those are nice numbers.

Yes he can. That’s what publicists are for. They can specify what is ‘off limits’ in a discussion. It’s done all the time.

Yes publicists can try that, but most reporters won’t play along. They’ll either decide to skip the interview altogether, or will report that the publicist set limits on it, which makes the client look bad. So I wouldn’t agree that it’s done all the time. Anyway, Adam is perfectly capable of speaking up for himself if he doesn’t like the way an interview is going.

Cook’s drop from Black Friday was about 22%.

The good news is in next two weeks sales should pick up for everyone since it will be the busiest buying time. This happened in Cook’s case last year.

Oh! I forgot that Cook came out the week *prior* to Black Friday week. Well, then, of course he wouldn’t have had the big drop! The bigger drop only applies to people whose *first* week was Black Friday week ….

Your biggest drop is ordinarly your *second* week, because your first week is the biggest sales (especially off of Idol, of course). And for those people whose *first* week was Black Friday week, then that tends to make their first drop — from the first to the second week — a steeper drop than normal — because their first *week* was a bigger shopping week than other weeks.

If your first week wasn’t Black Friday week, none of that applies. Because your subsequent drops after the first drop are usually *way* smaller, because they’re drops from a much smaller base. (or at least you’d better *hope* they’re way smaller — and they will be if people are getting any familiarity with your music.)

Comparing Cook’s post-Black-Friday drop to Adam’s is totally comparing apples and oranges. YOu can only really compare first-to-second week drops to other first-to-second week drops. Later drops are a completely different situation.

It’s Sunday’ ¦we get sales data on Tuesday afternoon. Then we can see how everyone is going.

i’m a nitty gritty / bottom line type person, so this is what matters most to me, heh. why wouldn’t people be interested in david’s personal life… i consider it nobody’s business but his who he dates, or what he does in his off time – he deserves that much respect and privacy, but this aspect of any idol’s life comes under natural scrutiny, and speculation… he’s a handsome young unmarried man, with a fairly successful career – it’s normal for the ladies to be all up in his business about that…

Okay…I just looked on the iTunes overall album chart. Out of the Top 100 albums, FORTY-TWO (42) of them are Christmas/holiday albums. And there are a few others which could be as well, judging from the album titles (such as Faith Hill’s Joy to the World), but since I wasn’t sure, so didn’t count those.

Yikes!

(PS – soundtrack albums also seem very popular these days — I saw several of those in the Top 100 as well)

Aileen
12/06/2009 at 4:32 pm
i don’t think david cook had a higher than normal post bf drop last year

Cook’s drop from Black Friday was about 22%.

The good news is in next two weeks sales should pick up for everyone since it will be the busiest buying time. This happened in Cook’s case last year.

Here are what his numbers looked like last year:

Week 1 280K
Week 2 112k ‘“ Black Friday Week
Week 3 87K
Week 4 104k
Week 5 129K
Week 6 101k
Week 7 ‘“ January begins ‘“ 31k

Kris is on the same released calendar as Cook and entering Week 3. FYE is just entering week 2. The week 2 drop for FYE will be big — really big.

Cook has a 60% unit decline on week 2, when sales go up significantly. And week three dropped 22% which is pretty normal. What was great about Cook’s album was it did extremely well Weeks 4 to 6. And broke out of the recent Idol debut album sales pattern.

For example, John Meyer sold 286K week 1, dropped 70% to 86K week 2, and is forecast to drop about 23% in week 3.

The story of an album’s sales are told over months not weeks. When Adam’s album drops 75% or so in week 2, he will not be voted off Idol. He will just be at the beginning of the 1 year job of promoting this album. Then hopefully, Adam will go back into the studio and give us another album. Just like Cook is starting to do.

There is a whole big world out there.

Maybe. But folks in the States generally consider that world kinda small. And very very unimportant, lol.

OK’ ¦I’m amazed. That anyone should even care if and whom Archie is dating. Does Allison date?

I don’t know if Allison dates. But given how much chatter about Adam’s dating interests were plastered all over this blog this summer/fall (was his name Drake?), I don’t think we need to begrudge a couple of mentions of Archie and his possible girlfriend.

Week 1 280K
Week 2 112k ‘“ Black Friday Week
Week 3 87K
Week 4 104k
Week 5 129K
Week 6 101k

Thanks for bringing these figures. I forgot how well Cookie sold the month of December.

Well, last year, when Cook’s second week drop was bigger than Nickelback’s or Beyonce’s (the two big names who had released albums the same week as he did) people started saying the album was going to flop. It had only sold what it did the first week because of the pre-orders. I even remember people saying by Christmas Archie would have sold more albums… Then the third week came and his drop was actually not as big as others and everything went back to normal.
So, it looks like Adam won’t have a great second week. But we really don’t know what will happen next.

the idol bubble including all idol blogs have to remember that it takes TIME for singles to chart unless ur an established name…. I.e keishas “tik tok” has been out since summer and it’s just now getting near the high airplay and high chart placement…give these kids some time! !!

Just to put things in proper perspective…

Fame..Lady GaGa Aug. 19, 2008 release 24,000 copies first week.
Fame..Lady GaGa May 2009 certified platinum
Fame..Lady GaGa Nov 2009 1.5 million copies

It took Lady GaGa 9 months to reach platinum!

I understand the passion here, but I think its displaced. All the humping, bumping, grinding, and crotch grabbing is pretty par for the course these days. Has been for a while. So if Adam has stuck to the SAME types of things that are passe for everyone else, then he’d have a very strong point.

But he *can’t* stick to the same sexual things, *because* *he* *is* *a* *gay* *man* !!!! Gay men don’t hump in the missionary position the way sex-simulating female singers do because gay men don’t *do* that position!!!! He can’t writhe just exactly like Shakira because he has a penis and has sex with other people who *also* have penises!!!

And in my opinion just because people are so inured to hetero sex simulation all over tv and all over music shows that they consider it “passe” and “not shocking” is every bit as much a rap on our culture as the fact that they’re all bent out of shape because, Hey, we’re seeing sex again — but this time it’s in a different position!!! My eyes! My eyes!

That’s just one more of the million ways I’ve seen for people to say — We don’t mind hetero sex!!!! We see that all the time and show it to our children!!!!! It’s that *gay! sex that we can’t stand! That goes too far!!!

lucy
12/06/2009 at 4:48 pm
There is a whole big world out there.

Maybe. But folks in the States generally consider that world kinda small. And very very unimportant, lol.

But hopefully RCA will think that our money is just as good…

Wait! Am I hallucinating? Do people really believe that RCA is going to drop Adam right away? A week after his album debuted? After he debuted at No 3? After he had first week sales 150 percent higher than the AI winner? When he is is in the middle of his promotional activities? When he is in a thousand newspapers and magazines? When he is on the Bw special? When he is the most famous AI contestant of the past several years? When his album has received mostly good to great reviews? When FYE reentered the BB hot 100? When HDD has him listed as no 2 on vibe raters predicted to break? When WWFM is getting a good reception from radio and moving its way up? Um, I don’t think so

Agreed. So the question is can Adam stabilize from that huge first drop and can he grow from there? And how? Because clearly this last week with all the brouhaha did NOT help his sales. So how can his sales be helped going forward? And we have no idea about Kris’s album sales this week. As someone said, the only thing we’ve know is that the single LLWD had been doing better and better for weeks, and now is doing even better. Yay!

We actually don’t know the sales yet. What we have is a sales forecast from HDD. And history that tells us that it should drop about 75% — that is unrelated to any press impact specifically for Adam.

So, if the album sales drop 85%, I’ll agree with you the press hurt. If it drops 75%, it lines up with the historic sales shift and past Idol debut sales drops. And if it does better that that, I will be happy for Adam and think all the press may have helped a bit.

All that aside — the sales that really matter are the last 3 weeks of December. Can Adam pick up new fans who buy his music or not? And how much effort will that take?

OK’ ¦I’m amazed. That anyone should even care if and whom Archie is dating. Does Allison date?

Well, Allison’s a girl. So a bunch of women will inevitably care much less about that. Boy performers are always their female fans’ fantasy boyfriends, you know, or, in the case of some of the younger Idols, especially, a cross between fantasy boyfriends and sons, lol

Just to put things in proper perspective’ ¦

Fame..Lady GaGa Aug. 19, 2008 release 24,000 copies first week.
Fame..Lady GaGa May 2009 certified platinum
Fame..Lady GaGa Nov 2009 1.5 million copies

It took Lady GaGa 9 months to reach platinum!

Yeah, that would be the normal trend for new artists. Start slow and gain as you get your name out there. As you know very well though Tess Adam is not a normal new artist. No one off of American Idol is a normal new artist. It is just silly to compare a virtual unknown as a new artist in Lady Gaga to an artist coming off the biggest television show in America.

And broke out of the recent Idol debut album sales pattern.

The story of an album’s sales are told over months not weeks. When Adam’s album drops 75% or so in week 2, he will not be voted off Idol.

Exactly. “Failing” Idols are known for selling well through Christmas and falling off the BB200 shortly thereafter, usually by the following spring. They have a moderate hit at best. If he breaks the pattern in any way, its a good sign he broke out of the bubble and is becoming a viable artist. We will not know if this is the case for months. I say he is already on his way to having a hit song, as is Kris. Then they can try to follow up those hits with more and establish themselves somewhere. Even if by some stretch of the imagination that does not work, Adam has many options in front of him. He will find a place to thrive in the entertainment industry, I am sure.

I mean I’m not talking that they’re going to drop him NOW. Or even in the next few weeks, but RCA isn’t going to give Adam many months to prove that he can make money for them.

Months??? So Adam has 6 months to sell millions of records or he’s done??? lol I really have no comment for that.

Who said anything about selling a million albums in six months? Where did you get those numbers? I’m saying that RCA will want to see a return on their investment, and with Idols, that is sooner then later.

Just take a look at how many Idols were dropped by their label and when after “disappointing,” (whatever that number is determined to be based on investment/expected return) sales.

Talking about Tik Tok or GaGa is all well and good, but Idols generally aren’t given those kinds of timeframes.

Eh, I know it doesn’t seem that way, but I’m not dooming Adam. I’m just saying he’s in a hole of his own making, and whether he can get out or not, look to be hard and I’m honestly not sure he will be able to do it. I hope so, but we̵