Idol Headlines for 11/30/08

OK, i know absolutely nothing about fashion (esp women’s fashion), but Jordin’s dresses dont look THAT bad to me…or am i being bias? ladies?

Personally, I was expecting that article to be at least slightly exaggerated. But nope, they are that hideous.
Sorry Jordin.

PS – Maybe someone at 19M saw these and decided they can’t represent the person responsible? You never know, some people take fashion very seriously.
(-;

Personally I wouldn’t wear any of those dresses, I find them very unattractive.

Yeah those dresses are horrible X(

haha
well then. i guess that wraps things up. poor joddin.

The dresses are ugly but I don’t think they’ll look out of place at Wet Seal.

I think they look a little ugly for us adults… but maybe teens like them…

PS – Maybe someone at 19M saw these and decided they canà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t represent the person responsible?

My thoughts the moment I saw the dresses: So that’s why she was dropped. I’m sure, Fuller tried to dissuade her from this disaster but she did it anyway. I guess, that shows you a little insight to how she does things.

^How she does things???

Now ladies, I think you’re being a bit harsh. That kabuki dress is perfect for next summer when I enter the annual Potato Sack Queen contest at the county fair.

Guys look at the rest of the dresses in the site and the comments in the article there are people who like the dresses…

Jordin’s dresses are not any uglier than the things I usually see at Wet Seal.

Ok Cruz, the other dresses do look better and Jordin does look kinda cute in the pink one. I really doubt her management dropped her for having the taste of a teenager.

Some of the dresses ARE quite hideous – like the animal print one where it looked like they skinned a cheetah and cut arm holes in it; but I don’t think they’re particularly “slutty” looking.

And doesn’t everything at Wet Seal look cheap?

How she does things? I’m just guessing that no manager would actually encourage his charge to attach their name to those hideous dresses. If she went against advice, then maybe, that has been the dynamic between Jordin and 19M the past year, I’m just saying.

All the dresses look like what Jordin has been wearing since she was on AI, so someone else must be making the clothes she likes to wear. :rolleyes_ee: I would not wear them, and while I am not a teen or 20 something, I do have somewhat good taste. (I would like to hear a teens or 20 something view) There should be a least one item in that collection that transcends all generations but unfortunately, there isn’t. :thumbdown_tb:

:clap_tb: Yeah for Chris Sligh, I love his voice.

I watched a video of Britney here . Gosh, unless her mic comes equipped with a build in sound studio I do believe she is Lip-Syncing. :rasberry_ee:

I think about half of the dresses are truly hideous maybe another 25% mostly hideous – the ones that remind me a lot of 198mumbelty. Otherwise, the ones with the tulle peeking out of the bottom are cute, and very hip. The ones with that puffed under hem are also pretty hip – both of those styles echo the dresses the teenage designer character on Gossip Girl makes, which I think puts them in context of the age they’re intended for.

PS – Maybe someone at 19M saw these and decided they canà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t represent the person responsible?

Well, I personally don’t think that Jordin has ever shown a lot of refined taste in picking her wardrobe, so these dresses don’t look that out of place. That said, 19M is reportedly the one who actually asked one of their clients to get his own name tattooed in 164 font on his own back, so I’m not sure the denizens of 19M are all that sophisticated in the fashion department either. Add in Nigel’s and Simon’s hairdos and I think that Jordin’s clothesline begins to look like haute couture. So, I’m thinking the clothes line isn’t the reason she was dropped. I’m not sure it will help her career any either (please note, that I write this while just returning from the gym wearing a sweatshirt and shorts so nobody should be taking my fashion advice either).

Tween here, I actually will wear these ones:

Waist Tie Kabuki Dress (IÂ ´m tiny, 4Â ´9, so I think I will look good in it)

Side Bow Satin Tube
Slinky Dolman Dress

Those dresses are awful nevermind what age group they represent. It’s a shame really because I always thought her outfits when she was on AI were quite nice, too bad they didn’t create a line more like that. :confused_wp:

19M is reportedly the one who actually asked one of their clients to get his own name tattooed in 164 font on his own back,

But that was cool, allegedly. Those dresses, so not.

There are a couple of okay ones, although the other ones are pretty darn hideous. The strapless one with the giant buckle? (At least I think that’s a buckle. It might be the grill off a 1947 Buick.) It’s really, really fugly either way.

If Jordin has been dropped by her management (as opposed to vice versa or some other arrangement) it could be that endorsement deals were hard to come by, and this Wet Seal thing was the only one that they could come up with. Has Jordin appeared on any of the Disney shows? Has she scored any deals besides this Wet Seal thing? Maybe there’s your answer.

I doubt 19M dropped Jordin because of these clothes. I mean they’re not Fantasia level of awful. Why would they ask Daughtry to tattoo his back? Unless he does his shows without a shirt most people will never see that tat. (which I’m sure they’re thankful for)

I like Daughtry ´s tattoo is looks hot in the picture of him that I have….

I like Daughtry’s tat myself but it may be an acquired taste. Why 19M dropped Jordin is a mystery. Platinum selling album, three big hits (No Air was a monster) and she has to get major endorsements for them to keep her? Seems odd.

I showed my daughter the pictures since she actually shops in Wet Seal and is the (I guess supposed?) target demo and she didn’t care for them except the black dress with the pink sash but her gripe was that the only time anyone would wear those dresses would be for big parties. I don’t think they’re TOO bad overall but I find that purple one with that big silver thing in the middle to be pretty hideous.

How did this devolve into a post on Daughtry’s tat. LOL
I can’t throw stones when my idol has a giant eyeball tattoo on his wrist. Seriously.

Yeah those dresses are just tween style. The prints are ugly but I feel that way about some print dresses in general even stuff I saw at Macy’s this weekend. Ugh. Nasty print dresses. Sign of the cross to ward of fugly print dresses.

I was kidding, you know. 19M did not drop Jordin because of her awful fashion sense. That’s absurd.

Why they did drop her is indeed still a mystery. The other day I read somewhere else a suggestion that they really only want to reap the immediate rewards after the win, and don’t look at managing these artists as a long term deal. But I have almost no frame of reference to draw from, since I know nothing about 19M and their history with previous Idols.

I canà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t throw stones when my idol has a giant eyeball tattoo on his wrist. Seriously.

True dat.
That tattoo doesn’t creep me out, but it does make me laugh, it’s so over the top. I guess it reminds me of the Idol tour because that’s when he got it. That tattoo with the 30,000 necklaces from fans… it still makes me laugh that he wore those all through the tour and stopped immediately after.

If they’re not making much money off singles (I think somebody here linked a NYT article discussing how singles don’t make that much for the companies behind them and the onset of “360″ deals to try to get more for the record companies off their endorsements and side deals) then her big singles might not have really helped her all that much. I suppose if it takes her album a year to go platinum, that means the money dribbled in more slowly, and it may’ve cost them more in promo (or production costs for her videos) than she made.

It seems really silly to me for recording companies to not have, oh, I don’t know, RECORDS as their main priority, but at least that’s a theory as to how Jordin can have three hit singles and a platinum album and still get dropped by her management.

Is management that important? It’s not the same as her record company. I am by no means a fan of Jordin. I hear her songs on the radio and don’t change the channel.

I think it is not uncommon for people to change management throughout their careers. It’s a mutually beneficial relationship. If one or the other people feel they are not getting what they want they move on. Was it ever substantiated if she was dropped or she left or it was mutual.

I kind of like the black “Crinkle Belted Bubble Dress”, but the rest is kind of fugly. I haven’t shop at Wet Seal since high school. The good thing is that she is making clothes for teens that aren’t a size 6. Wet Seal back in the days only made clothes for slim and trim teen. Good job Jordin, at least your trying.

How did this devolve into a post on Daughtryà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s tat.

LOL. I never actually mentioned him by name.

Why would they ask Daughtry to tattoo his back?

Beats me. I recall reading that in one of his interviews that the label or 19M or somebody asked if he would mind doing it and he agreed to it. He said it wasn’t his idea.

But that was cool, allegedly. Those dresses, so not.

Yes, but that was kind of my point. I may not find either of those things the least bit attractive or cool, but some people might. Taste can be very individual. For instance, I wouldn’t have though tattooing your own name on yourself would be cool on anybody at any size font. Some might have thought it was cool if it was small and discreet. Some might have thought it cool if he had a ripped body (dude isn’t fat, but he’s not exactly muscular either). Some would think it’s cool if he was the Pillsbury Dough Boy and the tattoo was as big as his entire body and spelled wrong. It’s just a matter of taste. So, there may very well be a market for Jordin’s clothes. That’s the only point I was making (plus, I think 19Alphabet has not demonstrated a lot of taste. I’m still hating on the new set with the swaybots in every camera shot and the band in the rafters that 19Alphabet was so very proud about).

More info from IDF:

it was Capitol Theatre in Salt Lake. There was an Osmond concert and David was a special guest! He sang à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã‹O Holy Nightà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢, à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã‹Mary Did You Knowà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢ and one other one she canà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t remember. It was AWESOME!

Someone made a YouTube slideshow of the pictures from that concert. There are a few more still photos in that slideshow than what was posted up on IDF. There’s no video or audio yet though.

I love David’s rendition of “O Holy Night” and “Mary Did You Know,” so I really hope a video of his performances will turn up. We can see David and the Osmonds on the large screen behind them, so I’m hoping that means the concert was videotaped and that we’ll actually see and hear it eventually.

I would not wear them, and while I am not a teen or 20 something, I do have somewhat good taste. (I would like to hear a teens or 20 something view)

I’m a 20 something (23) and like I said, I would never wear those. But then again, it’s not like I wear dresses all that much… Those are a bit more for tweens, I guess, some kinda make me think of Disney princesses

I canà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t throw stones when my idol has a giant eyeball tattoo on his wrist. Seriously.

LOL So true. I don’t hate that tat, but it’s just so weird.
Speaking of 19, I think they were the ones who made Cook wear those pirate pants during the tour… I was never a fan, actually.

Tween here, I actually will wear these ones

Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢m a 20 something (23) and like I said, I would never wear those. But then again, ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s not like I wear dresses all that muchà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦ Those are a bit more for tweens, I guess, some kinda make me think of Disney princesses

Just wanted to say thanks for letting us know what the younger kids think :cool1_tb: (I would have asked my 22 yr old daughter but she doesn’t live at home or have a computer)

Some of those dresses aren’t that bad. I think they would look better if they were modeled. Some I would never consider wearing… ever. But I don’t think the overall collection is “hideous.”

I would not wear them, and while I am not a teen or 20 something, I do have somewhat good taste. (I would like to hear a teens or 20 something view)

I’m in my late teens. I would only wear the black dress with the pink sash if it was given to me. Everything else is ugly, but like I said, not any uglier than other clothes at Wet Seal.

More on Gina Glocksen’s tree lighting event this weekend – I wonder if anyone has a video of it?

Update on Amy Davis

Someone made a YouTube slideshow of the pictures from that concert. There are a few more still photos in that slideshow than what was posted up on IDF. Thereà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s no video or audio yet though.

Look, there’s Archie with fellow Idol David Osmond. .

I added the article about Jason from the Lakeview Image someone posted late yesterday. It’s a pretty good article, worth the read.

MJ I was thinking of you and your S8 spoilers when I saw that pic of David Osmond and Archie. Isn’t that cute! Idolforums posted a vid of some guy following Archie and Lupe around in NYC. They were going to a show on Broadway. I think that was rude but it goes with being a celeb now. I like when Archie gets all pissed, lol.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3dU_DUpfU-A

Why party/cocktail dresses? Why not casual wear? I can’t imagine Jordin’s target market has many occassions where a dress like that is necessary. Maybe at a school formal but how often does that happen? Twice a year?

Stores like Wet Seal are profitable because they can sell mass quantities at low low prices. I can’t see much of a need for fancy dresses for kids Jordin’s age.

MJ I was thinking of you and your S8 spoilers when I saw that pic of David Osmond and Archie. Isnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t that cute! Idolforums posted a vid of some guy following Archie and Lupe around in NYC. They were going to a show on Broadway. I think that was rude but it goes with being a celeb now. I like when Archie gets all pissed, lol.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3dU_DUpfU-A

This is the first time I have seem David mad…

I’m 15 and I sort of like the Bow Empire Waist Dress, Side Bow Satin Tube Dress, and Slinky Dolman Dress. The rest are pretty bad, imo.
I would never wear them because I don’t go to that many parties that would need a dress like any of those. I really can’t think of a reason that many teenagers would need these dresses. And even if I did they look a little too slutty for me.

Not all the dresses are fugly. In some cases it’s the material. It cheap. You can ruin a design with bad fabric. I like the red one with the black tulle, I believe. My 17 year old is a senior in high school and they are having several senior dinners and parties. I could see her liking that one. I guess I agree that ic could have been casual wear because teens just don’t dress up that much, not even for parties and dances. So in my case it’s not the ugliness but the functionality.

I think Jordin was thinking only of herself when she created this line. Of course SHE has a need for lots of party dresses with all the awards shows and red carpets she has to walk. But other girls her age do NOT.

Awww they’re not all THAT bad if one is very young. And they go along with the wet seal stuff exactly. But casual would’ve been better choice for fashion line.

From Amanda Overmyer’s own MySpace: Her album is finished, it is called “Solidify” and will be released on her website and on iTunes shortly after Christmas.

Okay, this is a little late to the Jordin dress comments but: I asked my ten yr. old. Just younger than tween imo, but loves fashion:

She liked these dresses: the Metallic Cross Back Dress, (eww imo, but the others I agreed with) the Waist Tie Kabuki Dress, the Ruched Tulle Trim Dress and her very fav, the One Shoulder Bubble.

I think the fact that Jordin chose party dresses is fairly appropriate since this is mainly what we see her in. I’ll be curious to see how they sell…If I remember correctly from when I was younger I loved to find an excuse to dress up sometimes, ehem, and still do…;), obviously not is dresses like these though.

A little pre holiday gift for MJ
Archie and David Osmond in a picture together

Thanks to the http://www.snarkyarchies.com

has an account of the Holiday presentation…

Well, I like Jordin and I’m far from 20 anything, but I think that at least four or five of those dresses are rather cute for maybe the girly-girl senior high school type who is looking forward to party season. The one she’s modeling is cute (although I’m not into that color) and it’s hard to really judge the clothes on the “invisible mannequin” and not on a real live model. Speaking of which, I do like that many of those dresses would be flattering for girls who don’t have picture perfect model figures especially since so many young women suffer body image and self-esteem issues.

So, based on Simon’s comments re: Britney, I assume it will be perfectly acceptable for future X Factor contestants to lipsynch as long as they “put on a show.”

I looked at the dresses too. The Yahoo “journalist” was harsh I thought. Two dresses (black w/pink sash and red–top row) are both very nice styles. And only one is truly slutty–bottom row, far right–although others may be slutty, depending on what they look like on. If you click through to the fabrics–horrific. Just unwearable. Yahoo said that the fabrics are “flammable.” I think the problem is that they aren’t. Natural fibers burn; these melt.

Poor Jordin. Actually, I’m kind of tired of seeing her in empire waste dresses. If she lost 20 pounds (she’s tall) she could wear anything she wants, whether she’s being photographed or not. She’s not “fat” but she is dressing around her figure.

Hey–that’s a local cover story for Jason. He looks great on that cover! I hope he has an awesome gig with Patti Labelle. I’d never think of those two together. they’re both incredible singers and warm people. Maybe the chemistry of the show will work.

AHHH-

Check out VFTW, they just posted a video clip of pictures of Archie and the Osmond brother that made it to hollywood this year singing together…i dont even want to hear this dude sing. i will barf if he makes it to top 24.

I can’t even begin to understand why an Osmond would audition for American Idol. That’s a strike against him before he even gets started, in my opinion.

Boy, they kept that Osmond appearance for David totally under wraps. Fansofdavid didn’t even know about it.

Potato sacks were my first impression of Jordin’s line. Some a little skanky.

I feel sorry for Archie. He and his mother were just trying to have a night out, but this is what happens in *today’s times* for a celebrity. Sad but true. Does Archie not have private security? What would have happened if this person was a true nutcase? Scary.

I canà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t even begin to understand why an Osmond would audition for American Idol. Thatà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s a strike against him before he even gets started, in my opinion.

Ditto to the max.

I also don’t want to see Donny & Marie on my tv every week in the audience. It would make AI seem cheesier than it is. I got enough of them with DWTS. AI took leaps ahead with Cook, then would come back miles with Donny & Marie. UGH That being said, I was a fan of Donny’s back in the day.

Maybe AI could be renamed to American Osmond Idol. Or Idol Osmond.

AI took leaps ahead with Cook, then would come back miles with Donny & Marie.

Holy smokes. I couldn’t agree more. Just when idol was starting to get cool….having the Osmonds on there would take away all the coolness/credibility that Cook brought to the show.

UGH That being said, I was a fan of Donnyà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s back in the day.

yeah, me too.

I also donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t want to see Donny & Marie on my tv every week in the audience.

It’s bad enough having to see them on ET. Sorry but I got sick of Marie on DWTS and then she took up permanent residence on ET. I wonder how many viewers they have lost simply for that reason.

I also donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t want to see Donny & Marie on my tv every week in the audience. It would make AI seem cheesier than it is. I got enough of them with DWTS. AI took leaps ahead with Cook, then would come back miles with Donny & Marie. UGH That being said, I was a fan of Donnyà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s back in the day.

LOL… I feel like a defender of the Osmonds. Not everybody’s musical taste is going to be the same. Nor do I think the presence of the Osmonds make AI any cheesier than it already is. Besides, David O. isn’t the son of either Donny or Marie–they won’t be there doing color commentary like they were on Dancing with the Stars. (Maybe on ET, but you don’t have to watch ET) Frankly, we have no idea how David O. will perform or how he’ll choose to present himself. Clean-cut doesn’t mean cheesy. Some people value those types of traits in artists, and more young artists are starting to value that in themselves. Gritty rock isn’t for everybody, and I don’t share the opinion that somehow Cook’s win took AI anywhere other than where it was before–a TV talent show that presents contestants exactly how the producers want us to see them. It will be the same TV talent show next year. They won’t be looking for Cook 2.0 any more than they’ll be looking for Archie 2.0. They’ll be looking for a person (or two) they think is marketable in the here and now. And that’s really all they care about. If that person happens to be related to the Osmonds, they’ll take him and they’ll do whatever they can to get the audience to accept him.

I’m not saying David O. is going to ever get that far, but I’m waiting to see how he does before I make up my mind.

Maybe AI could be renamed to American Osmond Idol. Or Idol Osmond.

Just…no. :laugh_tb:

Seriously, they David’s Analog Heart to level the playing field. It doesn’t get anymore unfair than that. I figure if David Osmond hasn’t made by now, it simply isn’t meant to be.

I’m not sure why all the irritation about David Osmond. We already know there were a few contestants last season that had been given a label shot already (and failed). Plus David A wasn’t exactly new to the talent show world either… not sure what the uproar is all about. The days of AI being a true amateur show are gone imo… if it even ever really was in the first place. I’m curious to see what David O sounds like. I definitely like what he looks like!

Marie Osmond was a real juggernaut on DWTS and she had some charity of hers sending out email alerts to millions of people to remind them to power-vote for her every week. If she turns on the machinery for her nephew and provides a built-in fanbase, it could mean Game Over before the season even starts. So I’m kinda hoping they don’t put the Osmond through to the top 24 so we don’t have to speculate one way or the other if it’s the Osmond blitzkrieg in operation.

^^ Marie Osmond lost DWTS. A “built-in” fanbase can only get a contestant so far.

She got third place, which was way further than her dancing ability should’ve taken her and also meant viewers had to witness that horrifying doll dance, which… There are no words. And DWTS has a built-in way to jettison people who’ve outstayed their welcome — the judges’ scores — which was the only way they finally got rid of her. If she’d been on AI, there would’ve been no judges’ scores to balance out the power voting. There’s no Nigel anymore to play the mysterious DQ-the-robo-vote card, either.

So I guess we won’t wait until the kids sings. *Sigh*. Looks like he is going to be Carly’d even before he has the chance to hit the stage. Having Osmond as a last name is a much as a handicap as a benefit. I say he didn’t make it anyway.

What David Cook has to do with this is beyond me. Certainly the ratings didn’t skyrocket because AI had a credible rocker, and having clean cut David didn’t either. Why not just let the people sing.

I wondered why Jordin kept wearing those horrible clothes to televised shows (I remember a truly awful one in gold), at least now we know – she designed them herself. There are people who are talented in many fields, but sadly she is not one of them. And someone should really tell her that if she doesn’t have a waist she shouldn’t wear clothes that emphasized her waist.

I am not even sure I am going to watch AI this year, but I hope people give David O. a chance just like they give everyone a chance to sing. I have heard him sing (on CD) some inspirational songs but really have no idea what his full ability is. It sounds like most of the upcoming idols who made it to the show are pretty experienced.

Also, I agree with soundscene that you don’t have to be gritty and “cool” for a lot of people to like you. I don’t want people throwing things at me, but I am not sure I would classify Cook as totally cool either. I don’t think he would classfy himself that way. Not cool is great for me. Most people who are totally cook aren’t real- They tend to be acting cool.

On David A’s site, they had this video of David O and his brothers singing a Christmas blurb advertising their concert (where David A made an appearance). They are good. Of course, he doesn’t sing a solo.

http://www.abc4.com/mediacenter/local.aspx?articleID=89327

Hazehal- I agree that Jordin’s clothes on the appearances I have seen are not complimentary to her. She is beautiful but she is a very large young woman and she needs some help dressing in ways that diminish certain things, such as her large arms. I once saw a program on Oprah where people showed how to wear certain clothes to diminish certain parts of your body and it was amazing.

Gwendolyn- I only voted in the finale, and I am not sure I am even watching, so I probably don’t count either. I just don’t think it is fair to discount David O just because he is part of a famous family. The same goes for Dean Kailyn’s daughter or Jason castro’s brother (although I think everyone said he won’t be in it). I do think David O should do everything he can to distance himself and make it clear that he wants to stay in the competition based on his own merit and not his family’s. Ideally, we will never see Donny and Marie in the front seats, even though I realize they are just an aunt and uncle.

The days of AI being a true amateur show are gone imoà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦ if it even ever really was in the first place.

For real. The show isn’t even trying to pretend that it’s a “true amateur show”-that’s clearly not what they’re trying to be and they don’t care what people think.

RE: David Osmond-To borrow from the Jay-Z song, I can’t knock the hustle. Lord knows the producers use these contestants for all its worth, so I won’t fault anyone (including an Osmond) for wanting to audition and get all the goody out of whatever exposure they can get. Even if he doesn’t make it very far, it’s going to get him and his 2nd Generation group noticed and maybe even raise awareness for MS. Good for him, I say. I probably wouldn’t vote for him if he made Top 24, but then I probably won’t be voting for anyone this season (just watching purely for entertainment value). It’ll be interesting to see how things play out with him. Would the producers really put an Osmond in the Top 24? I still have my doubts about whether he’d actually get very far if he were to make it, because a lot of folks would feel that a member of one of the most famous families in entertainment shouldn’t need help from a show like AI.

I definitely like what he looks like!

He is a cutie. Not gonna lie-I wouldn’t mind looking at him on my TV every week. He’d probably own the group songs; I don’t think he’d have any problem fully embracing the cheesy goodness of it all.

I simply don’t like the idea of David Osmond auditioning for American Idol. I look at things from a whole different perspective, I’m sure. That’s just me. I’m sure that lil ol’ me, who will not be voting this year, will hardly make a difference. I just call it like I see it. Just an opinion.

Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢m not sure why all the irritation about David Osmond. We already know there were a few contestants last season that had been given a label shot already (and failed). Plus David A wasnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t exactly new to the talent show world eitherà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦ not sure what the uproar is all about.

IMO, there is quite a difference. It’s one thing to be a person who came to Idol from a failed label deal or even from another television show. It’s a whole different kettle of fish for a contestant who comes from a family that has been in the business for 30-40 years. Yes, I emphasize family – it doesn’t matter if he’s not Donny or Marie’s son, they will still support him. And I have no doubt that if he makes top 24 and/or 12, they will be in the audience at least once.

So, my question is this: as connected as his family is, why does David Osmond even need AI? To launch his career? Doesn’t he already have one? I can only guess that he wants a high profile one, so that’s why he’s going on AI. The exposure and built in fanbase. Oh yeah, AI will use him too, but that doesn’t mean it doesn’t leave a bad taste in my mouth. From both sides of the story.

I’m 21, and I looked at the whole Jordin Sparks collection. Out of the 72 dresses, I’d consider wearing approximately 3 or 4. The others aren’t all hideous (some just aren’t my style), but…most of them are kind of hideous. I’m not liking the prints at all.

I used to shop at wet seal occasionally when I was a teen to put together costumes for dance recitals. But I never found good day-to-day wearable clothes there.

About David Osmond: I don’t care what his last name is. He’s cute. If he can sing, too, bring him on. I may not even be watching the show, though, so my opinion doesn’t matter. :tongue1_tb:

Re: Jordin’s dresses. All the dresses on the last page of the wet seal website are awful. Plus I really don’t like animal prints in general, unless it’s done really tastefully, and some of those animal prints are just terrible.

That said, there are probably about 5-7 others that I would buy and wear if I had something to wear them to. Examples: Kimono Sleeve Knit Dress, High Neck Halter Dress, Lace Satin Trim Tube Dress, Ruched Tulle Trim Dress, Slinky Dolman Dress, Side Bow Satin Tube Dress, and maybe the Zebra Sequin Trim Dress. And btw, I’m 28.

Some question why David O would need AI to get noticed. I think it might be because he is seen as part of a band, not an individual- sort of like the Osmond brothers. He is one of 8 brothers who sing. The only one that most people thought of as a star when they were together was Donny. Just a thought. AI is there to make individual stars, not bands.

IMO, there is quite a difference. Ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s one thing to be a person who came to Idol from a failed label deal or even from another television show. Ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s a whole different kettle of fish for a contestant who comes from a family that has been in the business for 30-40 years. Yes, I emphasize family – it doesnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t matter if heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s not Donny or Marieà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s son, they will still support him. And I have no doubt that if he makes top 24 and/or 12, they will be in the audience at least once.

I’m normally all up in arms about the plants, but so far, I haven’t seen much reason to object to this guy. I don’t care if he’s one of the Bush’s, Kennedy’s, Rockerfeller’s or even the result of some weird cloning experiment run by Clive Davis. I’m not going to hold the guy’s relatives against him. What is he supposed to do? Give up his dream of being a singer because some goofy Aunt and Uncle once had a stupid show? We can’t help who we are related to (unless we marry the objectionable person). If he doesn’t have a recording contract in the US and he’s elligible, I don’t have a problem with him.

And if his famous relatives want to cheer him on, good for him. Some get advantages from being attractive. Some from singing popular styles. Some from having a killer back-story. There are certainly contestants in the past who have been helped along by their “friends and relatives” in the audience. He won’t be the first or the last. And it’s the Osmonds. It’s not like there aren’t enough people who hate the Osmonds enough not to vote for the kid just because of his last name. And they aren’t exactly A-List in the music business these days. More like J-list (as in joke).

Honestly, not that many relatives of famous people go on to be famous too. I think knowing somebody in the “biz” (especially has-beens in the biz) isn’t all that helpful.

I’m going to wait until I hear him sing before I hate him. I watch this show because I want to be entertained, I like singing and I love cheese. If he brings the entertainment, the singing and the cheese, he can stay as long as he likes. If he stays longer than people think he should, well, he won’t be the first contestant to do so.

Cheese is good.

Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢m going to wait until I hear him sing before I hate him. I watch this show because I want to be entertained, I like singing and I love cheese. If he brings the entertainment, the singing and the cheese, he can stay as long as he likes. If he stays longer than people think he should, well, he wonà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t be the first contestant to do so.

Amen!

I don’t understand the issue with the so-called plants. From what I understand (and correct me if I’m wrong) the rules haven’t changed regarding who is eligible. Wasn’t Kelly working in LA with a demo producer prior to Idol? (Of course this was before the internet Idolverse exploded.) Would she have been considered a plant now because she had connections in the biz? Whatever connections a person has are gone as soon as the lights go up and the band starts playing. At that point they are on their own. Playing field leveled. I do think it is telling that the most successful Idols so far have been unknowns. There is usually a reason someone signed to a label and dropped didn’t catch on.

Honestly, not that many relatives of famous people go on to be famous too. I think knowing somebody in the à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“bizà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  (especially has-beens in the biz) isnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t all that helpful.

Well, peeps with connections have a hella lot more chances than those who don’t. If this show is about discovering unknowns, I think family connections kinda matter. I’m not saying that it should trump their chances at success in the music biz, but the show needs to figure out if it’s about unknowns or if anything goes.

LOTS of relatives go on to be famous. Jakob Dylan, Drew Barrymore, Angelina Jolie, Gwyneth Paltrow, etc I guess most I mentioned are actors, but having a name DOES get the foot in the door in show biz. It’s actually pretty important.

Eh. I wouldn’t want a Jackson either. And this coming from a person who has never had a problem with the background of any past contestant, even Carly. The only thing that bothered me about her was that Randy was rumored to be her A&R guy. But an Osmond? What’s next, Clive Davis’ nephew? Evan Ross? An Osbourne? If Ashlee Simpson gets dropped, can she come on too? I just… blech.

Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢m going to wait until I hear him sing before I hate him.

Heh. “Hate” is such a strong word, especially for a reality TV show.

He has a strike against him for me to start with being an Osmond. I didn’t like them in the 70′s when I was a teenager and they really don’t do anything for me now. That being said, I’ll listen…I won’t expect much but then I rarely do with Idol. It’s always nice to be pleasantly surprised.

Well, peeps with connections have a hella lot more chances than those who donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t. If this show is about discovering unknowns, I think family connections kinda matter. Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢m not saying that it should trump their chances at success in music, but the show needs to figure out if ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s about unknowns or if anything goes.

Exactly. Thanks for saying it better than I apparently could!

Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢m going to wait until I hear him sing before I hate him.

I never said I hated him. He may change my mind with his singing, like Carly did last year. But I stand by what I said about questioning why he needs AI when he already has plenty of connections – whether his family is A-List or not, they still know people. And if he’s talented enough in his own right, he shouldn’t have any issues with breaking out into a solo career away from whatever stigma exists because of his aunt and uncle.

And if heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s talented enough in his own right, he shouldnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t have any issues with breaking out into a solo career away from whatever stigma exists because of his aunt and uncle.

This.

I’m thinking he’s probably slightly above average. Then again, I could be wrong. However, if his name was simply Joe Smith, and he was an average singer, what would be his chance of making it? Not much, because this show thrives on backstories, conflict, and controversy.

I like the thought of virtual unknowns auditioning for a show and becoming famous. That’s what I like. Those are the kinds of people I want to see on the show. There’s something fresh and exciting about discovering “unknown artists” on a television show along with the rest of the world. I don’t need them tainted by past associations with a major record label or a famous family name. I don’t care how talented they are. Get out and give someone else a chance!

I know that the Idol producers could care less what I think, but that’s my preference.

wow–this whole thread took off another way!

Re: plants–I don’t get all the whoo-ha either. The plants aren’t truly plants. They are singers/musicians/songwriters who have been working for a while and now recognize AI as a vehicle when AI was beneath them in the past. Fine. Bring them on. I watch AI for the good singers, not the humiliating auditions (I hate the city shows.)

Re: David O. Bring him on too. He’s easy on the eyes and I’m as curious as everyone else. If he gets any real air time, AI would be a great way to distinguish himself from his famous relatives (assuming he sounds different from them and doesn’t audition with Puppy Love or One Bad Apple).

Re: David A as the surprise guest–maybe they’ve gotten friendly. I remember Donny Osmond saying that he’d been talking with David Archuleta during the AI competition last year.

If most people feel like some of you here, he is going to have to really blow the roof off to get anywhere. It will be interesting.

he plants arenà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t truly plants. They are singers/musicians/songwriters who have been working for a while and now recognize AI as a vehicle when AI was beneath them in the past. Fine. Bring them on. I watch AI for the good singers, not the humiliating auditions (I hate the city shows.)

Trust me. I hate the humilating auditions, too. I think it’s a stretch to compare unknowns to the people out for cheap thrills, though. I’m pretty sure you can be a working musician/singer/songwriter without family contacts and still be talented.

Like I said, what is this show about? If it’s about hooking a connected kid up, count me out. I’ll walk around the corner and check out some local bands.

Re: David A as the surprise guestà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬’maybe theyà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢ve gotten friendly. I remember Donny Osmond saying that heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢d been talking with David Archuleta during the AI competition last year.

Plus it was for charity…so it doesn’t surprise me DA would agree to do it.

I like the thought of virtual unknowns auditioning for a show and becoming famous. Thatà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s what I like. Those are the kinds of people I want to see on the show. Thereà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s something fresh and exciting about discovering à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“unknown artistsà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  on a television show along with the rest of the world. I donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t need them tainted by past associations with a major record label or a famous family name. I donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t care how talented they are. Get out and give someone else a chance!

WORD!!! My thoughts exactly!

Thereà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s something fresh and exciting about discovering à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“unknown artistsà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  on a television show along with the rest of the world.

Yep. The “whole transformation into a star” thing is what gets me hooked every year. Hard to turn someone into a star when they already know, and do, what it takes.

I donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t need them tainted by past associations with a major record label or a famous family name.

I agree. In some cases, I almost feel like that stuff hinders them in the competition. Again, Carly, for instance. Trying so hard to be everything for everyone in order to make this 2nd (or 3rd or 4th) chance pan out.

Bo Bice was my first fave. He would not be where he is without Idol. He may not have become a household name, but he’s able to live really well doing something he loves. Isn’t that what it is all about?

Like Sarah said, the Osmond kid is already doing that, even if he isn’t a star. Let’s give someone else a chance.

I guess lots of someone else’s got a chance when they auditioned. The judges just deemed this kid worthy of continuing. Maybe they figure he will generate interest, or at least curiousity in the show. Look at how much people are talking about it.

I remember similar conversation when Paris Bennett was on the show. The discussion was also about whether she should be on the show because of who her grandmother was. Although, it was apparent then and even more so now, those connections did little to help her in her career. Besides that, every one of the idols who have appeared on the show has been an unknown to the AI audiences until they were cast in the show. I certainly didnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t know David O. even existed until yesterday.

The whole transformation idea is a nice one, but so many talented people wash out for lack of experience/poor choices. (Patrick Hall? Judd Harris? Really talented singer/songwriters/musicians making bad choices, possibly for lack of experience.) I think there’s something to be said for people competing who’ve had a little experience so they’re savvy enough to be able to keep themselves in the competition.

Elliott Yamin is an awesome Cinderfella story, and I voted my fingers off for him. But I wouldn’t kick out people who’ve been performing and maybe recorded a thing or two, like David Cook, because they’re too professional.

I guess people don’t like David O in the competition because he already has a way to be heard w/o using a spot for someone who isn’t connected at all?

History has shown us that most AI peeps don’t become stars. What they gain from the show is a way to make a career from music or acting. If they already have that… what’s the point?

The whole transformation idea is a nice one, but so many talented people wash out for lack of experience/poor choices.

Either you’ve got the “it” factor, or you don’t. Making a person look good is the least of it. The most successful Idol contestants possess that star quality already. Contestants, not necessarily winners. When I talk about undiscovered talents and diamonds in the rough, I’m not necessarily referring to those who are inexperienced. No, I’m referring to the ones who have been flying under the radar, waiting to be discovered. AI could very well be their big chance. Apparently, Judd Harris and Patrick Hall didn’t have what it took. We probably see one (two, if we’re lucky) serious breakout stars per season. And I’ll say again, a connected individual is not a breakout star.

The buzz surrounding Osmond is beginning to sound similar to Carly’s. That could hurt.

But I wouldnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t kick out people whoà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢ve been performing and maybe recorded a thing or two, like David Cook, because theyà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢re too professional.

I guess people donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t like David O in the competition because he already has a way to be heard w/o using a spot for someone who isnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t connected at all?

You know what it is? I like the semi-pros too. I like when they have a little experience and seem truly ready for the opportunity. The real amateurs are interesting as well. But to me, the value of idol is that someone is getting a shot at the big time that might never get in front of these major label people another way. So Carly may have had a shot, but was she really going to get resigned? Nope. Michael Johns was in the same boat… “too old” for a solo career. Paris Bennet had a great voice but had lost faith in her potential, plus she didn’t look like Beyonce and that was going to diminish her chances.

But when you are talking about coming from one of the legendary musical families… I don’t know. Not only could he meet real songwriters, he could record a professional demo at a relative’s house, get hooked up with good entertainment lawyers, get plenty of performing experience at packed shows that pay, and lot of advice from his stable of successful relatives. He could get in front of connected managers and lawyers that could shop him. He’s an OSMOND. He could even call MTV and get a reality show. LOL. It just seems… this guy needs Idol? For what? I know its in the rules and all, and maybe he can sing his ass off, but… this is not a family of backup singers we are talking about. He’s a freaking OSMOND. It just feels like crossing a huge line to me, a line they’ve already been flirting with for a while. Just, no.

Aren’t The Osmond on shows like ET all the time? (Read complains about it, I’m not in America I have no idea who they are.) Or is David Osmond not one of the famous ones? Like Bonus Jonas? Otherwise it’s like Paula on DWTS.

I think David O is looking for AI to do for him what it has done for so many others… give him a chance to be heard. The very reason he probably wants to be on the show is the reason so many here think he shouldn’t be. I keep reading posts about Osmonds – yuck, who wants to hear an Osmond, not another Osmond… I think that’s probably what’s been handicapping him. I seriously doubt there are radio stations clammoring to play music of a new Osmond. And the Osmonds are not exactly a hot commodity so I’m not sure what kind of connections they have now. If he was a relative of the Jonas Bros, maybe so. This guy knows that AI will give him and audience and if he makes it far enough, it will also give him a fan base. Based on some of the other things AI has done with contestants, I have absolutely no problem with this at all. And he’s cute.

Yeah, I agree. Osmond, Sinatra, Presley, Streisand, Springsteen… Those people’s kids don’t need or belong on Idol to my mind. Especially Osmond, because they’re already performing for large groups all over the world and have theaters and resources at their command. He’s probably already been on Oprah, played Carnegie Hall and done a nationally-televised Christmas special with the fam. I can’t imagine any Osmond would be willing to sign 19-Alphabet’s contracts, anyway.

Paris Bennet is a whole ‘nother thing, mostly because her last name doesn’t immediately spell superstar. If the Osmond wanted to compete as David Jones (which is actually the real name of both Davey Jones of the Monkees and David Bowie IIRC), I wouldn’t be so averse.

As to already creating backlash, well, nobody can vote against him even if they want to. Those who don’t like him from the get-go can only vote FOR somebody else, and their votes are likely to be split among enough other people to not really make a diff to the Osmond till the going gets tougher.

Lu, you are right that the radio stations aren’t fighting for Osmonds anymore. But that doesn’t take away the fact that the Osmond name can open doors that others don’t get. Donny and Marie have been milking careers forever on very little talent, but they still have enough star power to pull some strings.

Lu, you are right that the radio stations arenà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t fighting for Osmonds anymore. But that doesnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t take away the fact that the Osmond name can open doors that others donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t get. Donny and Marie have been milking careers forever on very little talent, but they still have enough star power to pull some strings.

Well PJ, I’m very jaded now when it comes to AI. I used to think it was a talent show looking for a true undiscovered amateur to transform into a star but now I know that’s a bunch of hooey. lol

I just say what the heck… obviously anything goes. We’ve had people who’ve recorded cds, people who have been signed with major labels, people who have been on national talent shows, people who’ve opened for major acts and people who’ve been back up singers for major acts so they obviously had connections too. So hey… what the heck.

There are a lot of assumptions being made here. We know the guy’s last name is Osmond. We don’t know what particular connections/opportunities he has as a result. American Idol has some rules, and if he meets the requirements, then he deserves the same shot as everyone else. I get what you’re saying about not “needing” American Idol, but we don’t know that he needs it any less than any other experienced contestant…or that he couldn’t become a breakout star when given the opportunity. If he is the breakout star, and we pass him up in favor of non-Osmonds who aren’t…what good is that?

I just say what the heckà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦ obviously anything goes. Weà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢ve had people whoà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢ve recorded cds, people who have been signed with major labels, people who have been on national talent shows, people whoà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢ve opened for major acts and people whoà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢ve been back up singers for major acts so they obviously had connections too. So heyà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦ what the heck.

LMAO. True dat. Just the same, if Idol is “Star School” as Byrd is wont to say, this guy eats Thanksgiving diner with the professors. The principal used to change his diapers. He’s the homecoming king, the valedictorian and the captain of the football team all rolled up into one. He’s also the rich kid. And now he wants a full scholarship to Harvard. :laugh_tb:

I’m thinking the delinquents are gonna kick his ass.

Osmond, Sinatra, Presley, Streisand, Springsteen

Seriously now, one of these things just does not fit. What was that Sesame Street song?

“And now he wants a full scholarship to Harvard.”

But Harvard only gives need-based financial aid! So if he’s rich, he wouldn’t receive any. :wallbash_tb:

Sorry, I’m off-topic… :tongue1_tb:

lmao @ deejay!!! :lol_tb:

He’ll be put through to the Top 24 whether he can sing well enough or not. And even if AI wanted to axe him, you can believe they’ll be stongarmed into keeping him.

à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“And now he wants a full scholarship to Harvard.à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ 

But Harvard only gives need-based financial aid! So if heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s rich, he wouldnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t receive any.

That’s the point exactly. Harvard only gives need based scholarships. He doesn’t NEED AI, he just wants it. So, whatever. We’ll see what happens, I guess.

Thatà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s the point exactly. Harvard only gives need based scholarships. He doesnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t NEED AI, he just wants it. So, whatever. Weà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢ll see what happens, I guess.

But the way I see it, American Idol only takes people who meet certain requirements that they deem fair. Anyone “too rich” doesn’t get the “financial aid.” If DO meets the requirements, he deserves a shot. Excluding him based on his last name would be discrimination, wouldn’t it? (He wouldn’t be able to prove it because the whole AI process is arbitrary and plenty of discrimination occurs, I’m sure.) Unless they revise the rules to specifically exclude cases like his. But I guess that’s what many of you here would want because you don’t feel the rules as they are are fair? Personally, they seem fair to me. I don’t know that DO doesn’t need AI. I don’t know what the definition of “needing AI” really is to be honest.

For me it’s not about the rules. Obviously, they will make and break them as they see fit. Just don’t tell me it’s about undiscovered talent (the whole premise of the show) when an Osmond makes the cut (nothing against him personally). I just saw that they’re marketing it as more “raw” and “real” this year. Riiiiiight.

I think I took “raw” as meaning more emotional. Real- not sure what that means.