Idol Headlines for 11/28/09

Alas, there were many empty seats on the main floor; upwards of 1,800 (out of 3,500) tickets were sold, according to A2SO Executive Director Mary Stefek Blaske. Although the turnout may not have been what was expected, you have to give the Ann Arbor Symphony credit for trying something different. This new partnership with Radio Disney is exciting and I hope it will continue, with the next show on a non-holiday weekend, which may have had an effect on crowd size.

I guess Archie is really “connected” with Radio Disney now based on this quote from a review of his performance last night. So, again, color me confused. Is Archie the next great teen pop star…or based on the good review for his Christmas tracks, is he going to be marketed to the easy listening crowd. Everything about Archie’s career is so schizophrenic at this time. It will be nice to figure out where he is going and who he is as a performer…but I guess if he is selling well, what does it really matter.

Thanks for posting Archie’s reviews, MJ. Here are my favorite parts from each one…

This was the Archuleta I was hoping to hear, his voice on standards such as ‘Ave Maria’  and ‘Silent Night’  powerful and filling Hill Auditorium the way it was meant to be filled. The standing ovation after the latter was earned and deserved. He seemed so much more at ease after the break, and his voice reflected the change, especially on the French carol ‘Patapan’  and the lovely ballad ‘Merry Christmas To Me,’  which he said he was performing in public for the first time Friday night.
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After Archuleta sang a superb ‘Ave Maria’ , I don’t think there was a dry eye in the house- including mine. When David sang ‘Ave Maria’  it really reminded me of why I fell in love with him in the first place. Although David can belt out any pop song you throw at him, when he sings a slower, more traditional song while backed up by a symphony, you can’t help but have tingles sent up and down your spine. The environment of the auditorium, along with the Ann Arbor symphony, really helped David’s voice to soar.

Well in my world it’s not funny if someone pees on you. Gross. I suppose some will call this ‘art’ as well. Shakes head and goes off to read the Tiger Woods rumours…

I cannot believe Sean Daly of the St. Pete Times gave Adam a B and generally good review on FYE. He loved to blast him on Idol and on tour. The other reiviews aren’t bad at all. Howard Cohen saying “Soaked” deserves a grammy nom for Best Pop Vocal? Wow!

Love those reviews for David. I posted a bit on yesterday’s “Kaleidoscope” thread, but today I’ve been on a mission to discover the roots of another song he sang last night, “Merry Christmas to Me” — I like the sound and wanted to know the lyrics. Alas, couldn’t find a thing. Alan Jackson has a song with that title, but this definitely isn’t that one.

(Tess, maybe you can be comforted in knowing David probably won’t sing old country. New country, uh … guess that could happen, actually. Haha)

This dude might have peed on Adam Lambert

Is this for real? I gotta tell you, I’d have to be like Emma from Glee if this happened to me. I’d need the “Full Silkwood”. I’m way too OCD to go to a show that features stuff like that.

About the pee thing. I personally think it’s gross however I think Bruno would love it. Some People can handle it watching it in movies (fecal matter episode) but not real life (disgusting I hated that movie). The tranny peed on the audience not just Adam. Doesn’t look like Adam appreciated it as well hence the thrown cup then laughter. They also left out that Adam’s mother was there and was a recipient of it as well. Now the story will be overblown.

That dudes pees on Lambert wins for #1 craziest story every posted in the headlines thread.

Howard Cohen saying ‘Soaked’  deserves a grammy nom for Best Pop Vocal? Wow!

He has excellent taste! Soaked is brilliant.

Is this for real?

Who knows. We’ll have to wait for Adam or someone to confirm it. I’m skeptical with believing everything on twitter, but I’m sure a lot of people will look at this as the Word.

Howard Cohen saying ‘Soaked’  deserves a grammy nom for Best Pop Vocal? Wow!

He has excellent taste! Soaked is brilliant.

Yeah. Its one of my favorite songs on Adam’s album. I hope it gets released as a single and a music video is done on it. I’m shocked Muse didn’t keep it for themselves!

I am DISGUSTED that ABC cancelled Adam and choose to interview Chris Brown instead (abusing women is ok????). I have contacted them and let them know how I feel. I encourage anyone else who is angry about this to contact ABC as well.

Something tells me that someone who mentioned “sweaty, smelly fans” is not going to appreciate pee on his new boots. ick

That tranny pees on Lambert wins for #1 craziest story every posted in the headlines thread. Trannpeegate!!!!

You know, I’ve said in the past that after 8 seasons, there isn’t much that an Idol does that hasn’t happened before.

Getting peed on is a new one for me. So, I was wrong and Adam is definitely breaking new ground.

Sounds like Adam had a fun night out on the town! From what I know of The Box, they have some crazy-ass shows there. So probably no surprise that someone peed on Adam (and a bunch of other people). But evidently — as usual — this report set some of the Glamberts off, harrassing at least one of the people who tweeted about it.

Hey, now Adam has something to contribute when Kris starts talking about peeing!

Something tells me that someone who mentioned ‘sweaty, smelly fans’  is not going to appreciate pee on his new boots. ick

,,,and I wouldn’t blame him. Then again he shouldn’t have sat in the front row.

He has excellent taste! Soaked is brilliant.

I know I’m being an 8 year old, but given today’s headlines, I can’t help but giggle when I see that song title.

Allison’s album is now streaming on Myspace — sort of. Currently, only the odd-numbered songs are available:

http://music.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=music.artistalbums&artistid=22742673&albumid=14237052

Loved seeing those (generally) great reviews for David Cook!
Also, for those who didn’t catch it last night, Cookie also got to see his biggest fan, Lindsey Rose
http://media.photobucket.com/image/recent/DLB6128/Delaware72709694.jpg
and he sang part of ‘Let’s get it on’

^^LMAO, Kirsten!!

Oh how I love being an Adam fan. Really, no moment is dull. Maybe I’ll tire of the jolts from the rollercoaster, or ab workout from LOLing all the time. But I really don’t see that happening in the near term!

On his tour, he tells the Miami Herald that he’s been trying to ‘unveil’  a new song.

Is that the “Believe,” song, yes? I like it. I mean obviously not enough to remember the title, but in my defense I’ve only heard it a couple of times.

At a Friday gig at the Mahaffey Theater, 1,300 fans, many of them those irascible Cougars for Cook

Ugh. The phrase Cougars needs to die a death, and soon.

You know, I’ve said in the past that after 8 seasons, there isn’t much that an Idol does that hasn’t happened before.

Getting peed on is a new one for me. So, I was wrong and Adam is definitely breaking new ground.

In all fairness Adam is a victim here. He didn’t DO anything. I’m sure he didn’t ASK to get peed on and there is nothing we know about Adam that suggests he would enjoy such a thing. Anywhoo….

He has excellent taste! Soaked is brilliant.

I know I’m being an 8 year old, but given today’s headlines, I can’t help but giggle when I see that song title.

ROTFLMAO

For those who missed the myriad of tweets from The Box last night, here’s a handy summary. TAKE IT ALL WITH A GRAIN OF SALT BECAUSE TWITTER IS THE DEVIL. That said, here’s what twitter has told us:

Adam went out last night with Christian Siriano, Christian’s boyfriend Brad Walsh, Josh Madden and couple other people. According to Brad, Adam’s Mom also came along for the party. The were at the Juliet supperclub first, but then went to a show at The Box. The Box is an insane performance art club with burlesque, stripping, trannies, midgets and some seriously crazy stuff happens at their shows.

During one of the performances, the tranny onstage peed on the first row where they all were sitting. Adam threw a drink but was laughing. It was part of the show. Some of the people there were getting bombarded on twitter with questions, and they were cracking up that anyone is taking this seriously. It’s The Box, that’s actually a tame night.

ETA: Tweets from Adam & Christian ‘ ¦

adamlambert: The Box puts on a great show!! Thanks guys!
8 minutes ago from Echofon

csiriano: @Adamlambert hope you had a fun night tonight it was crazy at the box
3 minutes ago from txt

This new trend for people to pee on and barf on each other during concerts is disgusting and disturbing. What does it say about us as a culture? Obligatory urination scenes have been in virtually every movie for at least a decade. In recent years that wasn’t shocking enough, so movies switched to barfing and defecating. And to people like Mary having cum in their hair. People keep buying these movies and so they keep making them. It’s spilling over into real life. Personally I’ve never liked the expression “I peed myself” and now it’s “I shit on myself” or “I threw up in my mouth” and what’s next? I often wonder why people find this funny and not concerning. Someone rubbed a dirty diaper on my daughter’s car this halloween. It’s gone past simple toilet papering. Coupled with the graphic violence in movies and music, this graphic expression of body functions is a disturbing trend. It seems like we are losing our civilization and becoming animals. I don’t even mean to insult animals that way. My cats have more dignity than some of these people and movies.

Kirsten
11/28/2009 at 10:39 am

He has excellent taste! Soaked is brilliant.

I know I’m being an 8 year old, but given today’s headlines, I can’t help but giggle when I see that song title.

ROTFLMO Kirsten its ok to be 8 years old sometimes. Thanks for the giggle!

Adam gets peed on…. okay, just when you think you’ve seen it all…

That dudes pees on Lambert wins for #1 craziest story every posted in the headlines thread.

To me, it hardly qualifies as news. Just a twitter rumor picked up by a blogger who has hated Adam all season and rebroadcast here. Not real news.

I guess Archie is really ‘connected’  with Radio Disney now based on this quote from a review of his performance last night.

Tess, I think the partnership is between the Ann Arbor Symphony and Radio Disney. See article below about bringing in David for last night’s concert.

http://www.annarbor.com/entertainment/david-archuleta-concert/

The Miami Herald guy also reviewed Allison — as usual, she got lost in the shuffle:

http://miamiherald.typepad.com/idol_watch/2009/11/review-allison-iraheta-and-the-idol-curse.html

Apparently the guy doesn’t have ears, since he says her personality is missing.

Well it appears Adam had a great time at the Box. So apparently getting peed on by a tranny is OK….smelly fans at the Idol show not OK. (sorry, couldn’t resist)

Kirsten

He has excellent taste! Soaked is brilliant.

I know I’m being an 8 year old, but given today’s headlines, I can’t help but giggle when I see that song title.

I was thinking the same thing! Anyway, twitter drives me nuts sometimes, if the account is true did we really need to know this?

Coupled with the graphic violence in movies and music, this graphic expression of body functions is a disturbing trend and to me, not amusing.

Good post, oceana. I was having my morning tea when I read The Box story and got sick to my stomach. Where hath civilization gone?

That granny is just showing her appreciation and love of his song “Soaked.” He got soaked alright but that was for his entertainment.

Nothing can shock me anymore. It’s becoming boring to a point.

elw
I am DISGUSTED that ABC cancelled Adam and choose to interview Chris Brown instead (abusing women is ok????). I have contacted them and let them know how I feel. I encourage anyone else who is angry about this to contact ABC as well.

ABC blinked. While they are airing the interview, they are doing it on 20/20 at night, with only preview clips during GMA. There will be no live performance.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5jyVTIY4_omN2d7e6ktvitpt79hYgD9C84HOO0

Perhaps your (and many others) contacting them worked!

Just to clarify….Adam was not peed on specifically. (if at all) there was some guy doing a “show” and peed on the front row of the audience where Adam was sitting. He was not the only person that got “Soaked” (IBID: Kirsten). It was not a aggressive act towards Adam specifically. I guess if it is true Adam felt after his sub par performance on the AMA’s how could he really criticizes any performer. (I am a huge Adam fan). Though he did throw his drink at the guy. (I wouldn’t drink it either)

That dudes pees on Lambert wins for #1 craziest story every posted in the headlines thread.

To me, it hardly qualifies as news. Just a twitter rumor picked up by a blogger who has hated Adam all season and rebroadcast here. Not real news.

I agree.

Well it appears Adam had a great time at the Box. So apparently getting peed on by a tranny is OK’ ¦.smelly fans at the Idol show not OK. (sorry, couldn’t resist)

I very much doubt he was OK with it. He probably had to resist the temptation to plug his nose (which might look rude) and threw his drink instead.

It will be nice to figure out where he is going and who he is as a performer’ ¦but I guess if he is selling well, what does it really matter.

Yes, that’s the bottom line for me. I just want David to be successful regardless of what genre he is performing. I love the fact that he can do pop songs in the vein of Jason Mraz, John Meyer, and Sara Bareilles, or the more upbeat sounds such as in his “Zero Gravity” as well as the almost-operatic ballads such as “Ave Maria”. His versatility is what makes David so fascinating. Certainly though, he isn’t the first to have this “schizophrenic” repertoire, is he? There are other artists that run a similar gamut.

That granny is just showing her appreciation and love of his song ‘Soaked.’  He got soaked alright but that was for his entertainment.

OMG! I know it’s a typo, but now I have visions of Adam at a show that features Granny Trannies. Granny Trannies that pee. Granny Tranny Idol Fans that show appreciation by peeing. That’s just so wrong.

I don’t normally find potty humour funny, but this story is so ridiculous I can’t help but laugh. It’s a welcome diversion from this past week.

Though he did throw his drink at the guy. (I wouldn’t drink it either)

Yep, that drink would be dead to me after something like that.

Okay, now I have visions of the Granny Tranny working behind a cage wire fence like the Blues Brothers at the country bar while people toss beer bottles at her. Rawhide!

I love that review of David Cook from the St Petersburg Times. Especially this quote:

From the opening one-two punch of Heroes and Mr. Sensitive, Cook and his mates were intent on scraping off the pop lacquer from his hits. For midtempo ballad I Did It for You, his normally husky vocal bordered on a growl; it hinted that Cook, as he gets away from his Idol days, could be more Foo Fighter than pop star.

Great review and I am glad that this reviewer is pointing out the fact that David Cook is more rock than pop.

Coupled with the graphic violence in movies and music, this graphic expression of body functions is a disturbing trend. It seems like we are losing our civilization and becoming animals.

I suppose what is most shocking to me is this type of reaction to acts in performances, but then truly disturbing realities can go unnoticed, or noticed but ignored.

Not intending to speak of any post or poster here, of course, just a general observation. It’s as though reality can be readily dismissed as distant and unaffecting, but fantasy and performances are so personal and the response so visceral.

Haven’t read all the articles or any comments yet- but just wanted to say- the “Adam got peed on” article threw me from my chair in a fit of laughter…
See? The AMA performance really wasn’t as bad as it COULD have been- he could have peed on everyone, lol
And the fact that those tweeters say he got peed on and just laughed and threw his drink back at the guy prove to me like nothing else that he doesn’t bullshit when he says he doesn’t take it all seriously… (personally though- I would murder anyone who decided to pee on me )
Go kinky idol!

It’s not a twitter rumor, it’s true. Soverymel has it exactly right.

Peeps who been around..sad news today.
My black lab who was 12 passed away yesterday…
Now back to idol news..

Actually, he’s not saying that Allison has no personality (that’s Simon’s forte), he’s complaining that the cd is over-produced. Which it probably is, though I think he might be exaggerating the problem slightly. Sounds though like he thinks highly of Allison and is disappointed that the cd doesn’t, to his ear, do her total justice.

Just Like You suffers from the fate of 99.9 percent of first albums from Idols. Producers and songwriters all come from the same pen so the star isn’t the singer but the studio personnel and every hint of personality is leeched from the performer. Iraheta could be Kelly Clarkson-Pink-Avril Lavigne, here — seemingly anyone but the gifted Allison Iraheta who really earned that recording contract. Given her prodigious talent, that’s a dirty shame.

However, I’ve found with these post-Idol cds that at first listen I am usually disappointed, since I have so many expectations in my mind, and because I’ve heard them on Idol without all the studio production, but usually subsequent listens acclimate me to the finished product. After hearing Scars, I feel heartened that the production won’t be too awful. However the acoustic song she sang the other day sounded better than the cd version. They just don’t know when to leave well enough alone sometimes.

There’s a good story about Nora Jones’ first cd. It was arranged, produced, pressed, ready to go into mass production, but she wasn’t happy with it. Being Ravi Shankar’s daughter I assume she had some pull and even though it was her first cd, she could object. She actually scrapped the cd and got a new producer, who arranged and produced her music with a light touch. And voila, mulitple millions sold, multiple grammys. Unfortunately, most new artists can’t control what the producers do. Still, I think the AI producers are getting better at this the past couple of years. Maybe Daughtry and Carrie’s successes taught them something.

http://www.liberty.edu/news/index.cfm?PID=18495&MID=13308

According to this the law school dean from Liberty College which complained about the AMA thing appeared on The Early Show on Wed, Nov 25. I didn’t see him on the 2 hour Adamfest. So I’m finding it odd that they put it on their website, unless of course I’m wrong but seems it would have been hard to miss? Sorry to beat a dead horse.

Didn’t see the countdown myself, but someone on TWoP posted that the LLWD video jumped up seven spots to #9 on the VH1 Top 20 countdown this week.

Apparently Monte Pittman (Adam’s guitarist) tweeted Adam about the Box:

@adamlambert oh no! you went there! I got pulled on stage when I went. And I was with Tommy Victor’ ¦ I had no idea what was going to happen
about 3 hours ago from web in reply to adamlambert

The shows are improvised and people don’t know what to expect when they go there obviously.

Though he did throw his drink at the guy. (I wouldn’t drink it either)

Great point!

Haven’t read all the articles or any comments yet- but just wanted to say- the ‘Adam got peed on’  article threw me from my chair in a fit of laughter’ ¦

I thought it was hilarious too. And it seems like a good time was had by all, including Adam.

I try not take things too seriously around here.

I suppose what is most shocking to me is this type of reaction to acts in performances, but then truly disturbing realities can go unnoticed, or noticed but ignored.

I think they are intricately related. Thus I can’t say “it’s only a movie” or “it’s only pee at a concert” when I see our culture becoming more and more violent and gruesome. They affect each other and of course I am also disturbed (more so of course) about disturbing realities. That goes without saying, I assumed. If I didn’t see connections between the two, I wouldn’t care about it.

Moving on from possible weird and icky things, and yeah, I’d be doing the full Karen Silkwood as well, sigh…X-Factor post Jedward. Now we just are left with a bunch of people who don’t sing really well and aren’t really funny while doing so. I don’t even have a clue who I want to win anymore. It would have been Olly and Lucie in the beginning, but Lucie is gone and Olly has had two mediocre weeks. I don’t really care, but I’m bored and want things other than certain functions to concentrate on.

Apparently the guy doesn’t have ears, since he says her personality is missing.

To be honest, I thnk very few of these reviewers have independent minds: or at least, for the 80-90% of stuff that they have to listen to and review that they aren’t that interested in one way or the other.

The songs from Allison’s record that I’ve heard, make it the one from AI8, which, when all the whistles and bells and hype and controversy and arguments are stripped away, is the truest album in terms of vocals and music, IMO.

I listened to Lambert’s through and remembered nothing a few days later; ditto the clips from Allen’s. I woke up this morning with the chorus from ‘Don’t waste the pretty’ in my head and I don’t even think it’s that great a song. Her interpretation and style made it memorable.

Her personality and natural feel for what she’s singing shines through. But she was labelled – bizarrely to me – as lacking personality on Idol and for the paint-by-numbers critic, therefore, that defines her.

Edit: Sounds like he didn’t quite say that: damn it, now I’ll have to get off my lazy arse (metaphorically speaking and actually read the review then take back my crticism of lazy critics! :lol

Edit 2: because ‘don’t let the pretty’ and ‘don’t waste the pretty’ are two somewhat different things. My brain is really ‘duh’ today!

Heh so slow news day eh… This season 8 obsession with pee will not end well… j/s

I hope that the peeing story about Adam is true. I would hate to think that people will start making outlandish crap up just because Adam is, well, Adam. As far as the Cook reviews…those boys are serious rockers. He is great live. I hope RCA lets him spread his wings on the next CD. We shall see.

Hey, now Adam has something to contribute when Kris starts talking about peeing!

haha. very true. I wonder if Adam will confirm or not?

damn it, now I’ll have to get off my lazy arse (metaphorically speaking and actually read the review then take back my crticism of lazy critics! :lol

LOL well don’t worry, what you said is often true of critics, even if not in this particular case.

Yep – having read the review, what he says about Allison seems pretty positive: he just doesn’t like the obligatory Idol (supposed) ‘hits’ which have nothing to do with the artist: see one D. Cook and Come Back To Me for reference!

The rating doesn’t quite fit with what he says, though, as the rest of it seems pretty good?

Sorry peeps. Had to laugh at my “so serious” post about pee, and Adam. lol

Haven’t read all the articles or any comments yet- but just wanted to say- the ‘Adam got peed on’  article threw me from my chair in a fit of laughter’ ¦

I guess it is really better to be pissed on then to be pissed off… at least in Adam’s case..(angry styled performance people in uproar….being peed on… laughter)

OMG! I am now laughing out loud at the Granny Tranny!

If Adam’s mom actually went with them to the Box, then she is the ultimate good sport.

oceana: Actually, he’s not saying that Allison has no personality (that’s Simon’s forte), he’s complaining that the cd is over-produced.

Yes, I know.

I’ve found with these post-Idol cds that at first listen I am usually disappointed, since I have so many expectations in my mind, and because I’ve heard them on Idol without all the studio production, but usually subsequent listens acclimate me to the finished product.

I was introduced to AI and its overproduction phenomenon last year when my wife started watching the show and became a Cook fan. We were pretty dismayed by the overproduction on his album, but got used to it.

That’s why I kept my expectations for Allison’s album extremely low — I assumed that Jive would screw it up, overproduce it, and bury her voice. So, I’ve had a fairly easy time “factoring out” the overproduction and appreciating the good points — the most significant being her singing, of course. And it really doesn’t seem horrendously overproduced anyway. As you suggested, maybe they’re slowly learning their lesson.

There’s a good story about Nora Jones’ first cd.

Are you sure you’re not talking about Sheryl Crow? That’s the very same story I’ve heard about her first album.

If Adam’s mom actually went with them to the Box, then she is the ultimate good sport

….or to put it into contexted…. she is a real good “water” sport… (ok now I am being just too silly)

I have been inundated with @adamlambert fans. Guys, it was just some tranny pee. Calm down.

What is “tranny” pee? I hope that means fake pee. Real or fake, that is just GROSS! I would be so furious that I would turn into the Hulk if they did that to me.

Tranny is short for transvestite. Maybe the offender was drunk?

Tranny pee is when a transvestite pees on you. And taking your mother to The Box is the kinkiest part of the whole story. That’s just crazy….even crazier than getting peed on. (It’s still not clear that she was there though.)

Why would transvestite pee calm me down?

I have a feeling Adam’s mom may have just been at the dinner before, but who knows.

The Box is known for freaky acts. And with that, I think I’ll end my comments on Peegate.

Hey, now Adam has something to contribute when Kris starts talking about peeing!

lmfao Hey, Adam and Kris can now have “pee stories” to tell at shows. Maybe they can do a show at an all girl’s high school and do a stand up comedy act on their peeing escapades.

And taking your mother to The Box is the kinkiest part of the whole story.

Leila is a Mom…she isn’t dead yet…and watching a Trasvestite review isn’t “kinky” for many of us, it’s just entertainment. And yes, if you’d read the tweets she was definitely there and probably having a lot of fun.
ETA: And given the opportunity I’d be there in a heartbeat. Better than watching reruns on TV anyday. And she had some pretty cool dudes as escorts.

In case this hasn’t been posted, half of Allison’s album is streaming on MySpace:

http://music.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=music.artistalbums&artistid=22742673&albumid=14237052

The other half will most likely be up later.

I am with you Ocena, your cats surely have more diginity IMHO.

I have a feeling Adam’s mom may have just been at the dinner before, but who knows.

All we know is that they went to dinner at Julie place (which is why Adam Tweeted that “Juliet is the sun”) with his mom. The rest of the night seems to have been with Christian, Brad and that crowd. Which would have been fun and I would still love to see Adam is some clothes by Christian. And Adam has been working PPS’s favourite colour of black lately, so maybe Adam’s already being effected.

Real or fake, that is just GROSS!

Just because it’s not your cup of tea (in this case, pee) doesn’t make it gross. Some people like to be pee’d on just like some are into s&m. I’m not into either and Adam seems to get off on pee, but who are we judge?

I think the pee-ing thing is gross, but I’m sure people who go to The Box, know what to expect. The fact that Adam laughed and threw his drink at the guy is cool. I would have run from the place, screaming. The funny thing though, is that supposedly his mom was with him! I wonder what she thought?
I am afraid that by tomorrow, when the press gets ahold of this, it will be Adam’s fault, he planned it, and he peed back!

Isn’t peeing in public against the law? Is it somehow legal when it’s part of a transvestite act?

OMG! I know it’s a typo, but now I have visions of Adam at a show that features Granny Trannies.

Here’s a fun quiz, along with a cute jingle:

http://www2.b3ta.com/bigquiz/trannyorgranny/

And Urban Dictionary chimes in:

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=granny+tranny

And now back to Headlines.

Morning tweets between Idols:

Meganjoysings: http://twitpic.com/rbh5w – yaaay got some back!!!
18 minutes ago from TwitPic

adamlambert: RT @Meganjoysings: http://twitpic.com/rbh5w – yaaay got some back!!! Awww so cute
8 minutes ago from Echofon

adamlambert: @Meganjoysings hey lady miss u
8 minutes ago from Echofon in reply to Meganjoysings

Eh- when you go to a place like The Box that features that sort of performance art, you can not ever be surprised at anything you see or hear.
Ever!
Anything goes.
A-n-y thing.
If “things” offend you do. Not. Go.

You should also always remember to never ever sit in the front row- it’s like a circus in that respect.

If a person peeing ON another person or people is not gross, I don’t know what is. Go look up the term.

I’ve never seen a transvestite act but they have been featured in some cities for many, many years – nothing particularly new about that.

Adam seems to get off on pee, but who are we judge?

That’s quite a leap. Nothing in the twitter report supports that he got off on it. Of course it’s Adam so someone has to make a big deal out of a random event.

Adam gets peed on’ ¦. okay, just when you think you’ve seen it all’ ¦

Some people write reviews, others get to act them out.

Danyl Johnson led the X Factor stars in a revolt over complaints they are being worked too hard.

The teacher and his finalist rivals demanded showdown talks with Simon Cowell because they will have to perform an extra song, plus a dance routine this week.

This makes me laugh. Two songs and a dance routine? The horror! Thank god Danyl wasn’t on the 7th season of Idol; they’d have had to carry him out on a stretcher by top three … if he had managed to get there after performing two songs and a dance routine from top five, on.

Peeps who been around..sad news today.
My black lab who was 12 passed away yesterday’ ¦

I’m very sorry to hear that. I’m sure your lab had a wonderful life with you, and you’ll have a lot of good memories upon which to think back.

My goodness – 2 songs and a dance routine are too much for some X-Factor contestants? Good for Simon for not backing down. Although..is it a diabolical plot to get Stacey voted off? The girl really does seem to have a hard time walking and singing at the same time.

Seems odd that the UK would be worried about what Lady GaGa will wear for her performance.

Tweet from Adam

@csiriano @bradwalsh nice meeting you two! Fake tranny pee is quite the way to start a show. Jeez!
2 minutes ago from Echofon in reply to csiriano

Mmmm’ ¦I guess Adam being peed on is more important than Allison’s album streaming online today.

Fair point. Go Allison! It will be fun to get some more live performances from her this week when she does her promo tour. Does anybody know what else she is going to sing on GMA (other than her single?)

More new news:

LLWD has topped 3000 spins a week on the quick cut and had an awesome update on Pop yesterday. The song is having a good week. Here are the details since yesterday (stats from kworb over on Pulse):

Quick Cut Data

Total: 3061 (+121)
Audience: 13.930 (+0.426)

POP: 1639 (+83)
HAC: 1409 (+39)
AC: 1 (=)
VH1: 12 (-1)

Published Reports

POP:
37 36 KRIS ALLEN Live Like We’re Dying 1355 1140 215 7.688
+74 Spins
+53 Bullet
+0.173 AI
76 Stations (=)

HAC:
20 19 KRIS ALLEN Live Like We’re Dying 1289 1162 127 5.706
+26 Spins
+3 Bullet
+0.160 AI
73 Stations (=)

I think the pee-ing thing is gross, but I’m sure people who go to The Box, know what to expect. The fact that Adam laughed and threw his drink at the guy is cool. I would have run from the place, screaming. The funny thing though, is that supposedly his mom was with him! I wonder what she thought?
I am afraid that by tomorrow, when the press gets ahold of this, it will be Adam’s fault, he planned it, and he peed back!

Well, if he knew what to expect (even generally) then he was somehow part of the planned evening, no?

So he wasn’t as shocked as TPTB of the AMAs on ABC was, or the people not expecting such a thing on network TV.

Most recent twit from Adam It was fake pee folks

@csiriano @bradwalsh nice meeting you two! Fake tranny pee is quite the way to start a show. Jeez! 4 minutes ago from Echofon in reply to csiriano Retweeted by 5 people

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Adam Lambert

Saw cook last night! He was fantastic, great show bit it seemed so short! The Script was great too!

And I will never stop being amused by Adams life. He’s out there living it up, I wish I could embrace life like he does. Tranny pee and all

I thought it was hilarious too. And it seems like a good time was had by all, including Adam.

I try not take things too seriously around here.

I heard he was pissed.

It was FAKE pee? What a letdown.

According to Adam’s tweet it was fake. Yes, Allison’s news should be bigger than watergate, there is a new thread as her album is streaming.

Danyl Johnson led the X Factor stars in a revolt over complaints they are being worked too hard.

Wasn’t this guy whinging last week about the song that was picked for him and how Simon was favouring his other artist? Well, at least he’s getting press and Simon likes press. Especially now that ratings drivers Jedward are out. Maybe he’s drumming up a feud between the “villian whinger” Danyl and the “quiet hero” Olly.

edit: STOP the lecturing and the finger wagging

Hey, Miami, that was GARY JULES version of Mad World. Lambert didn’t invent it.

Most recent twit from Adam It was fake pee folks

How would he know? Gah! Maybe I don’t want to know the answer to that? “Young Doctors In Love” has scarred me for life.

Quick! Brain Bleach! Costco sized.

And everyone wasted all that energy clutching pearls.

Some of us were just laughing. Although, I’d still need the Full Silkwood for fake pee. Just in case.

It was FAKE pee? What a letdown.

But how would you know it was fake when you were being peed on? Fake or not it’s still a disgusting thing to do.

Good news for Kris fans:
Kris Allen’s music video Live Like We’re Dying is #9 on the VH1 Top Twenty Countdown.

Am I the only one who watches this show? I hope not because I don’t want it to go off the air.

He was #16 last week and the week before was the premiere. He was also on the show recently. If you like Kris go on the site every week and vote for him!

Makes sense because real pee=The Box being closed by the Dept. of Health.

I finally got a good night’s sleep after all the Adam events in NYC. Party for AMA, Letterman, Early Show and just staying up to follow his tweets.

Adam spent a lot of time with the fans outside Letterman. I actually got to speak to him. Idle chatter. And I was sitting right behind him at the Early Show. Again he came out and spent time with the fans. I now have his autograph. The only celebrity autograph I have or have ever wanted.

So sidewalkstory, spill!

So sidewalkstory, spill!

Yes, details please!

How were his spirits?

sidewalkstory that’s so great that you got your autograph! Any details to report from the idle chatter, or did you overhear anything when you were seated behind him? Did you get to see the band too?

So sidewalkstory, spill!

Must not laugh. Must not laugh.

Hey Kirsten, got to stick with the theme of the day ya know?

LLWD has topped 3000 spins a week on the quick cut and had an awesome update on Pop yesterday. The song is having a good week. Here are the details since yesterday (stats from kworb over on Pulse):

And still the CD doesn’t sell. According to HDD the CD is not in the top 15 on the busiest shopping week of the year? That pretty much sucks.

From the New York Observer article about The Box two years ago:

Then there’s the burlesque at the Box. The shows run the gamut from standard cabaret to variety acts with an emphasis on the carnal and grotesque. Most notable are the Tuesday sex shows, which include simulated (wink, wink) sex acts, …

But he was there on a Friday, so it was probably fake pee night….

It will be fun to get some more live performances from her this week when she does her promo tour. Does anybody know what else she is going to sing on GMA (other than her single?)

I would expect the second song to be Scars, which is cool as I like that song. But I would love to see D is for Dangerous live.

Hey Kirsten, got to stick with the theme of the day ya know?

Today’s thread is brought to you by the letter “P”.

Sometimes, you just have to laugh.

Hey sidewalkstory, what were those pants made of? What did they look like up close. Did you put your face in his crotch to find out? heh!

As Kirsten mentioned, LLWD is having a great week, really working up a head of steam on Pop. It could finish Sunday night as high as #33 on the published chart for the week. A couple songs above him are dropping quickly, and he’s gaining on another just above him.

I’m also seeing some stations on All Access starting to spin LLWD that aren’t on the adds list, so maybe the adds momentum will continue this week (yay!).

Hi clearone, missed you. I was too busy following Adam around NYC so I didn’t get to hear your take on the AMA’s. Hope you are still a fan.

Adam outside Letterman was the most intimate experience. Of course there was a group at the barricades, but I’d say only about 50 people and paparazzi. He went down the whole line and took his time. He talked to people and took pics with them.

When he got to me I only said that we had celebrated with him the night before for the AMA’s. There were two younger fans (college kids) in front of me monopolizing him so I wasn’t going to talk over them like an old hag. I was so starstruck and dumbfounded that I could hardly move a muscle anyway. I basically just stood there in an out-of-body experience.

And still the CD doesn’t sell. According to HDD the CD is not in the top 15 on the busiest shopping week of the year? That pretty much sucks.

Well, you know, people do buy music other than that produced by Idols. I’m sure all the other musical artists, for instance the 18 they had on the AMAs, want to move some units too. A rising tide floats all boats.

LLWD is still selling above it’s spin-ranking, so that’s may be a sign that people like what they hear. And hey, maybe it is only radio that likes him, but it’s nice to be liked by someone.

Phew! What a relief, it was FAKE PEE, now we can call it sophisticated art!!!

As Kirsten mentioned, LLWD is having a great week, really working up a head of steam on Pop. It could finish Sunday night as high as #33 on the published chart for the week. A couple songs above him are dropping quickly, and he’s gaining on another just above him.

“Love Drunk” should also go recurrent this week. It’s below 20 and it’s been on the chart for 20 weeks.

ABC blinked

soverymel,the ABC self-inflicted PR disaster clean-up was the first news I read on Twitter this morning. With link to Yahoo’s post, with the kind of guilty-plea shots that were making ABC’s “Who we’ll let sing decisions” look insane http://tinyurl.com/yaey9qv

Just last night, right here on this blog, we were discussing the comparison of ABC’s “Morality in the Morning” absurdity of convicted woman beaters can sing a few songs promoting their new album but potentially sexy-dancing, guy kissers, who gave perfect morning performances for the show just months ago, could not. Violent singers yes, sexy singers no.

We were not alone, as an “R U Kidding me?” reaction comparing ABC’s treatment of Brown and Lambert triggered Tweets, emails, and calls to the network. And news and websites joined, shining light on ABC’s “Moral Watch” ypocrisy

Power to the people right on, folks. ABC did not want to have another #ShameOnYouABC Twitter hashtag trending instantly as it got after cancelling Adam on GMA. Which was widely noted in coverage of GMA cancellation.

Kirsten, what are the parameters for a song going recurrent?

LLWD is still selling above it’s spin-ranking, so that’s may be a sign that people like what they hear. And hey, maybe it is only radio that likes him, but it’s nice to be liked.

LLWD is on the regular rotation now at STAR94 in Atlanta.

Radio play is important. You can’t deny it sells at least singles to people outside of the Idol bubble. If a second song is released as soon as LLWD is making rotation at all the big market stations, that will insure longevity in single/cd sales.

I’ve noticed that an artist will have several singles on the charts at the same time. It’s like as soon as one peaks, the next gets released.

Kirsten, what are the parameters for a song going recurrent?

Twenty weeks on the chart and below 20 for Top 40.

Here is a nice radio airplay FAQ that JuanK wrote on Pulse.

Kirsten, do you have any idea how digital downloads of albums tend to do after the first week? I only really follow Carrie on the charts, and I know her album for example stayed at #1 her whole first week on itunes, and I don’t think dropped below 4 her second week. I’ve noticed Kris’s album had almost no staying power online after the first couple days, and Adam’s is starting to drop on itunes and amazon already. Is this the normal trajectory of an album and after the first week most sales are physical copies and not digital, or is this indicating that their albums just don’t have support past the initial fan surge?

Hey sidewalkstory, what were those pants made of? What did they look like up close. Did you put your face in his crotch to find out? heh!

His pants at the Early show looked like leather. I really should have paid more attention to the fabric as I was staring at it plenty. The thing I really noticed and mentioned to my friends was that Adam is now Rock-Star thin. Wow, he has to be about 30lbs thinner than when I saw him at the Early Show right after Idol. And I remember saying then that he was thin (but not skinny).

I was on line for the Early Show at 11PM the night before. I had company from out of town that I knew from Twitter but never had met. It was the easiest company I ever had. They met me at my apt., we ate, and then we went to get on the Early Show line. During the night they decided they would go to the airport right after the show. I left the line to pick up something they left at my apt and came back to the line. Imagine having overnight company that doesn’t even use a towel, lol.

adamlambert Tranny pee: performer rigged device to make it seem like he was peeing on front row during show. It was a funny trick. We all freaked! 10 minutes ago from Echofon

The people who watch VH1 seem to like Kris’s single — I heard that it was #9 in the Top 20 countdown this morning — if that’s true, that means it moved up 7 spots from where it debuted last week.

Kris may end up being like Jordin — more successful as a radio artist and selling singles rather than albums. Or maybe people will start buying his album once they hear Kris play more of the songs off it live. Too soon to know for sure yet. Although it looks like his album sales will be down by at least 50% this week, which sucks…

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haha
I was worried about what The Soup would say about Adam’s AMA performance. Not bad AT ALL! At the end Joel McHale said “I like that guy”. (that part isn’t on this clip)

Hi clearone, missed you. I was too busy following Adam around NYC so I didn’t get to hear your take on the AMA’s. Hope you are still a fan.

Adam outside Letterman was the most intimate experience. Of course there was a group at the barricades, but I’d say only about 50 people and paparazzi. He went down the whole line and took his time. He talked to people and took pics with them.

When he got to me I only said that we had celebrated with him the night before for the AMA’s. There were two younger fans (college kids) in front of me monopolizing him so I wasn’t going to talk over them like an old hag. I was so starstruck and dumbfounded that I could hardly move a muscle anyway. I basically just stood there in an out-of-body experience.

Well let’s just say I’m hanging on by my fingernails. My nice version is that I hated the AMA performance. I thought he looked great other than that I try to block it from my memory but all the media attention this week hasn’t helped with that….oh and I think he needs to stop talking about it. Okay I’m done!

I do have to say I’m jealous you got to be so close to him. Despite how I feel about the AMA’s, I would probably still swoon at the sight of him.

jambajim @adamlambert I fully expect tranny pee in your next awards show performance. That’ll DEFINITELY put Dick Clark in the grave. Do it. DO IT!! 2 minutes ago from UberTwitter

The HDD article only lists the projected top-selling 15 albums this week – with #15 at 75k-80k. Considering Kris sold 80k last week, and with an expected drop-off on the second week, it shouldn’t be surprising he didn’t make this list. I hope his drop-off is not the usual 40% – 60% but we’ll soon know.

Sales of LLWD lagged the increased radioplay until it reached a certain mysterious spin count/audience impression combination. Hopefully CD sales will follow this same path and have sustained levels of sales.

Kris seems to be following the pattern of “regular” artists, and not at all the Idol pattern we’ve seen in the past. Kirsten will correct me if I’m wrong, but I expect to see an emerging artist sort of pattern with the CD, and I hope as a Kris fan his CD has legs and the radio success of the first single will give it the legs it needs.

I was thinking we wouldn’t see the second single until after the holidays, especially since LLWD keeps chugging away (like Kris did on the show!) and increasing spincount week in and week out. I have no idea when the second single would drop, does anyone else have an idea? And, will we start to hear leaks about what the second single would be sometime soon, or will they just drop it one day without warning?

I KNOW (no doubt here) that ABC will be having Adam on GMA again and that the “controversy” will never be mentioned by both sides. I wouldn’t be surprised if Adam isn’t invited to do a summer concert series, if not in 2010 then in 2011 (because I also think he will be alive and performing still).

I’ve noticed that an artist will have several singles on the charts at the same time. It’s like as soon as one peaks, the next gets released.

That’s the goal. Songs on the radio typically have a 3-6 month shelf life before people “want something new” (except on AC where old is the new new). So, it appears that radio stations are more likely to give your new song a chance just as your old song is peaking. They already know people like Artist X, so they can freshen up their playlist with their new single.

The nice thing about that is if you get multiple singles being radio hits, people might be more prone to buy the album because they think “Hey, that’s yet another song I like from that dude. I should just buy the entire album”.

Kirsten, do you have any idea how digital downloads of albums tend to do after the first week?

Sorry, I don’t follow digital album sales very much. I think they are much more spikey than sales of physical CDs because they appear to be more of an “impulse buy” for people that have to have it now. Physical CDs (after the first week) are more of a “Oh, the CD section. That’s right, I’ve been meaning to pick up so-and-so’s CD”. So the latency period tends to smooth out the sell curve. High digital album sales seem to be in response to events (album releases, high profile appearances, getting your name in the news. That sort of stuff).

Adam has likely been able to sustain sales on iTunes due to all the press. If the controversy dies down, there is less to motivate an impulse buy. Just MO.

LLWD is showing surprising strength on the Top 40 chart. So don’t count on a second single coming soon. They won’t want a second Kris song stealing spins from the first single.

36 KRIS ALLEN Live Like We’re Dyin… 1355 1140 215

(that’s a pretty decent bullet. Increased 215 spins in the past 7 days)

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FifthHouseSun, you are so right that ABC blinked. I don’t care if they put him on 20/20 as a counterpoint to Rihanna’s interview. It will be a combination of mea culpa and defensiveness. Whatever. But to have allowed him to promote his album by performing would have been wrong.

The thing I really noticed and mentioned to my friends was that Adam is now Rock-Star thin.

Yeah, even from TV (which supposedly adds weight) he’s visibly thinner. He looks like he’s back to his weight when he auditioned. Maybe that’s why he’s been so defensive lately…not enough carbs. I know that eating a big bowl of pasta calms me down.

I have no idea when the second single would drop, does anyone else have an idea?

Probably when he makes an appearance on Idol. Hopefully, in the March or late-Feb time frame. We will be going into the radio freeze in a few weeks and given the momentum he’s gaining during these weeks, he’ll probably come out of the freeze alright.

Idol has a lot of viewers, so it is a great place to launch a new single. If his single is still climbing when he appears on Idol, they will wait, though. Releasing a single (and making a video) are expensive so you don’t want to release one when the other is still climbing. They may plan his Idol appearance based on the needs of the single situation.

Girlygirl: We don’t know Kris dropped 50% – maybe he will, but I haven’t seen any predictions for his sales this week. All we know is that HDD isn’t projecting above 75k for his album this week. Do you have other information?

ABC blinked

As MJ pointed out yesterday, the Chris Brown situation really has nothing to do with the Adam Lambert situation. It probably was more PR disaster than moral hypocrisy for ABC if it’s true that they had Brown booked well in advance.

People might not like the idea of convicted criminals getting airtime as it amounts to fueling their fame. But a teen pop sensation convicted for domestically abusing another teen pop sensation, claiming he’s changed, whether or not he actually has, is in fact newsworthy.

So when the AMAs went down and ABC wasn’t happy with Adam, if Chris Brown was already booked at that point, then what would ABC have had to do to avoid looking like hypocrites? Would they then have had to keep Adam Lambert as scheduled if they wanted to also keep Chris Brown. Or did that mean that if they wanted to cancel Adam Lambert that they also would have had to cancel Chris Brown.

Looking back with 20/20 hindsight, they probably never should have had Chris Brown scheduled to perform in the first place. And if they had concerns about allowing Adam to go live, when he has a tendency to succumb to adrenalin and doesn’t believe in the words family show to begin with, then they should have made him tape his segment beforehand rather than cancel him outright.

jambajim @adamlambert I fully expect tranny pee in your next awards show performance. That’ll DEFINITELY put Dick Clark in the grave. Do it. DO IT!! 2 minutes ago from UberTwitter

Dear lord don’t encourage him…….

jambajim @adamlambert I fully expect tranny pee in your next awards show performance.

Is there any chance that “fake tranny pee” tweets won’t end up in Jim’s Tweet Beat? I don’t think so.

I’m so glad Adam’s album is selling well. Whether you liked or didn’t like the AMA performance, Adam certainly had a lot of positive exposure before last Sunday. Anyway, the album is so amazing. “Soaked” just about ripped my heart out. I love “Sleepwalker” too. “Fever”, Music Again”, “Master Plan”, “Sure Fire Winners” and others are just FUN!!!

A couple people mentioned yesterday about displays at their local Walmarts and Targets. Well, this morning I noticed at Walmart that one row of Adam’s display is now filled with Carrie U. So I’m hoping that means they don’t have any more albums in stock for that third row! Cool!!

I KNOW (no doubt here) that ABC will be having Adam on GMA again and that the ‘controversy’  will never be mentioned by both sides. I wouldn’t be surprised if Adam isn’t invited to do a summer concert series, if not in 2010 then in 2011 (because I also think he will be alive and performing still).

I’m wondering how long this is going to take to blow over. After hearing that ABC has replaced Adam’s version of Mad World on General Hospital with the Gary Jules version, I’m wondering if they are even going to allow him to perform on New Year’s Eve.

Tranny pee: performer rigged device to make it seem like he was peeing on front row during show. It was a funny trick. We all freaked!

Funny that Adam tweeted that!

And, JIm Cantiello is too, too funny!

jambajim @adamlambert I fully expect tranny pee in your next awards show performance. That’ll DEFINITELY put Dick Clark in the grave. Do it. DO IT!! 2 minutes ago from UberTwitter

Considering Kris sold 80k last week, and with an expected drop-off on the second week, it shouldn’t be surprising he didn’t make this list. I hope his drop-off is not the usual 40% ‘“ 60% but we’ll soon know.

On the fmqb site, it has Kris down by 64%. It also shows John Mayer and 50 cent down by 74%.

Kirsten, isn’t a 60 to 70% drop-off more typical? I’ve been hearing those percentages, not 40 to 60%.

Thanks, tiger92. I got the 40-60% because of Black Friday week, so not the usual 60% drop.

Does anyone know if LLWD made Ryan’s American Top 40 show today?

After hearing that ABC has replaced Adam’s version of Mad World on General Hospital with the Gary Jules version,

Wasn’t it established the other day that the episode in question was a repeat? I believe soaps are recorded weeks in advance. (especially around a big holiday)

Anybody who thinks that there is no media bias just have to read that short first part of the Tampa Bay article.

“phenomenally average Kris Allen” ?????

WTH ?? OK, I’m going to listen to Let It Rain again.
Kris, you co-wrote the most appropriate song ever about yourself.

The thing I really noticed and mentioned to my friends was that Adam is now Rock-Star thin.

That’s one of the reasons he looks so hot in clothes, from rocker jeans to designer suits. That and because he has the most amazing eyes and smile.

Wasn’t it established the other day that the episode in question was a repeat? I

tiger92, thank you!!!! I haven’t been on the boards much in the last few days (except twitter) and I didn’t know this. I feel so much better now.

Here is the vid from last night of Yo Arms with the banter about Lindsay Rose and her being shown to the crowd. awwwwww This child is indeed a fighter. <3

Does anyone know if LLWD made Ryan’s American Top 40 show today?

Probably not for a few more weeks. Songs don’t go recurrent on Ryan’s show.

On the fmqb site, it has Kris down by 64%. It also shows John Mayer and 50 cent down by 74%.

Isn’t that AllAccess’s old Street Pulse? Street Pulse was never very accurate.

Kirsten, isn’t a 60 to 70% drop-off more typical? I’ve been hearing those percentages, not 40 to 60%.

Yes, but one would hope that it’s better than 60-70% when your second week is Black Friday.

To confirm Girlygirl’s question earlier – yes, LLWD is #9 on the Top 20 countdown. Just watched it.

Thanks for the link, Kirsten. It will be fun to watch to see if LLWD can make it up there with the big boys (and girls) toward the top of both charts.

Do songs go recurrent on HAC at 20 weeks also? It seems like those tunes have been on that chart forever, much more than 20 weeks …

I’m wondering how long this is going to take to blow over. After hearing that ABC has replaced Adam’s version of Mad World on General Hospital with the Gary Jules version, I’m wondering if they are even going to allow him to perform on New Year’s Eve.

The Mad World thing is still a bit of a rumor and hasn’t been totally confirmed. Stay tuned!

New Years is after the FCC late night “children window” and so I don’t think that Adam will be discouraged from performing. Besides, his contract will probably be with Dick Clark productions and not ABC. So if he is “banned” then there will be “hell to pay” by someone because the excuse for having him not perform on GMA was he was a “loose cannon” for daytime programming…and how do you move that thought over into late night television.

By the way, they’re heavily advertising Rihanna’s new album on VH-1 as the “Most Anticipated Album of the Year”. Who knew we had more than one of these most anticipated albums?

Looking back with 20/20 hindsight, they probably never should have had Chris Brown scheduled to perform in the first place, and if they had concerns about allowing Adam to go live when he has a tendency to succumb to adrenalin and doesn’t believe in the words family show to begin with, then they should have made him tape his segment beforehand rather than cancel him outright.

Yep. Same thing American Idol did to Green Day (GD was pissed) after their F-word bombs on the Today show.

They can always get around it on New Year’s Eve by having him tape the performance and not have him live.

Twitpic of Lindsay Rose and Dave here.

The nice thing about that is if you get multiple singles being radio hits, people might be more prone to buy the album because they think ‘Hey, that’s yet another song I like from that dude. I should just buy the entire album’ .

Kirsten I don’t know if you were watching numbers when Daughtry released his first CD and single but this was the formula that was used. At one point it seemed like I would hear 3 different Daughtry songs in an hour. STAR 94 is still playing songs from his first album along with the first single from the new album. No wonder he sold HUGE numbers consistently.

I hope the same thing happens for Kris.

Anybody who thinks that there is no media bias just have to read that short first part of the Tampa Bay article.

‘phenomenally average Kris Allen’  ?????

But isn’t that a review, not an article? And if the person finds Kris boring, s/he does. I don’t agree, but then that’s my opinion. I don’t expect objectivity in a review, in fact I expect quite the opposite. So not seeing it as media bias, per se. Maybe bad taste…

Why isn’t all of this successful radio play selling Kris’ CD? Or is it? I don’t know, I’m having a hard time viewing his fanbase as SO SMALL that a good portion of last week’s and this week’s sales could be attributable to his great growth on radio. Anyone have theories?

On the fmqb site, it has Kris down by 64%. It also shows John Mayer and 50 cent down by 74%.

Isn’t that AllAccess’s old Street Pulse? Street Pulse was never very accurate.

IDK? I just saw it posted. I wondered how John Mayer could drop so far during this week? Maybe JM and KA won’t have bad second weeks.
I’m guessing that means a big drop would be expected your second week if your first week is Black Friday week.

Tweets from Billy Bush about Kris & Adam

Poor @krisallen1. Good CD just not controversial enough to get attention. Didn’t even debut in top 10. Too bad

@adamlambert a strong album too. No question about it but in a crowded field getting an extra look helps big time. He got an extra look

Any mention of @adamlambert gets ppl in such a tizzy. Just mellow out. He’s a great artist, his sound is unique, he’s gonna do really well

Do songs go recurrent on HAC at 20 weeks also? It seems like those tunes have been on that chart forever, much more than 20 weeks ‘ ¦

On HAC, it’s 20 weeks and below 15. If you can stay above 15, you can stick around for a couple of years.

Eileen99
“Does anyone know if LLWD made Ryan’s American Top 40 show today?”

I will be extremely surprised if it does esp since Ryan hasn’t been kind to Kris ever since the Finale while he loves to promote Adam at every chance he got.

Tracking David Cook’s album sales –

Week 47 YTD chart
55 – 441,300 – DAVID COOK – David Cook

That makes a total of 1,252,967. Looks to be selling 1000-1200 a week now.

jambajim Whoops. Lost a few followers there. Obviously I don’t REALLY want Dick Clark to die. Ok… Just sending safe food tweets from now on. :/ 35 minutes ago from UberTwitter

Jim should have learned his lesson when he called Janet Jackson “fat” then had to tweet a “she’s not really fat” retraction.

I wondered how John Mayer could drop so far during this week? Maybe JM and KA won’t have bad second weeks. I’m guessing that means a big drop would be expected your second week if your first week is Black Friday week.

A big drop is inevitable for Kris. This is normal for a non Christmas album. David Cook dropped 60% during the Black Friday week. At the time, people were proclaiming his album DOA because he shouldn’t have dropped that much during the busiest shopping week. With AI albums, the drop during the second week may even be greater than other artists because they are front loaded with pre-orders. If Kris sees a less than 60% drop, I see it as a positive. Sales should once again pick up as we get closer to the holidays.

I think Adam will have a steep drop after the Black Friday week because his radio play isn’t much and the AMA controversy will die down – unless he comes up with something new.

snlw: Ryan had Kris on briefly 2 weeks ago and LLWD was the “breakout” song of the week. In his intro, Ryan said there have been four Idol winners to be on AT40, and there is about to be a fifth – Kris Allen. So … don’t know what that means in terms of when.

Since the Chris Brown/ABC story was mentioned above..this is an interesting release from the associated press, about GMA turning the Chris Brown interview over to 20/20, and Chris will not be performing on there show. Sounds like the peoples voices that were outraged over this have been heard!

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5jyVTIY4_omN2d7e6ktvitpt79hYgD9C84HOO0

jambajim Whoops. Lost a few followers there. Obviously I don’t REALLY want Dick Clark to die. Ok’ ¦ Just sending safe food tweets from now on. :/ 35 minutes ago from UberTwitter

I was just going to post that I thought that was a pretty tasteless comment. Not about the pee; that’s just juvenile. But, the comment about Dick Clark. I mean, come on, the man had a stroke a couple of years (?) ago and I’m guessing he’ll never be the same again. He’s done more for modern pop-rock-r&b music than these jokers ever will.

They can always get around it on New Year’s Eve by having him tape the performance and not have him live.

nooooo! I want to see him live in Times Sq.

You know I sure hope Kris’s album can and will grow over time. Something that just struck me is that he really is a new artist getting out there seeing how 9/12 of his songs were either co-written or written by him. And yes, he has two songs by the Script, but they’re not chart topping artists are they?

The reason I say this is because Adam’s album has a lot of songs written by already established artists, Pink, Lady GaGa, Muse, who else? I guess I don’t all of the details, but this certainly can’t hurt him in sales

nooooo! I want to see him live in Times Sq.

Like Lady Gaga, they both sing great “live”. (usually– )

And if they had concerns about allowing Adam to go live, when he has a tendency to succumb to adrenalin and doesn’t believe in the words family show to begin with, then they should have made him tape his segment beforehand rather than cancel him outright.

I think it was something other than their concerns about his live performance – some heat from somewhere. One performance does not a “tendency” make and I don’t think the AMA would be considered a “family show to begin with” for that matter. American Idol – yeah, that’s more of a family show.

LLWD has topped 3000 spins a week on the quick cut and had an awesome update on Pop yesterday. The song is having a good week. Here are the details since yesterday (stats from kworb over on Pulse):

And still the CD doesn’t sell. According to HDD the CD is not in the top 15 on the busiest shopping week of the year? That pretty much sucks.

Well, it needs to pick up some more stations. Up to now it’s picked up spins more than it’s picked up *cities,* and it’s cities he needs right now. I assume he did pick up some more this week …. but the first week you pick up a city, I doubt that that helps your sales much.

Your song has to be heard a few times and become a bit of an earworm before most people get interested and buy, I expect. So since he probably has gotten some new cities this week, I would expect that to translate into sales a week or two from now, rather than this week …. If it doesn’t by then, I’ll be officially worried. Not yet, though, for me.

I think Adam will have a steep drop after the Black Friday week because his radio play isn’t much and the AMA controversy will die down ‘“ unless he comes up with something new.

Maybe he’ll pee on Ellen.

I really, really want to see “loose cannon” Adam in concert. Please concert gods make it happen!

jambajim Whoops. Lost a few followers there. Obviously I don’t REALLY want Dick Clark to die. Ok’ ¦ Just sending safe food tweets from now on. :/ 35 minutes ago from UberTwitter

Yeah well he lost me as a follower with that comment. I’ve been finding him increasingly annoying but the Dick Clark comment pushed me over the edge. Even if he didn’t mean for it to be serious it was tasteless.

Why isn’t all of this successful radio play selling Kris’ CD? Or is it? I don’t know, I’m having a hard time viewing his fanbase as SO SMALL that a good portion of last week’s and this week’s sales could be attributable to his great growth on radio. Anyone have theories?

I think he needs more Top 40 airplay to drive up sales. I never really saw HAC as a huge driving force for sales. I was looking at my graph of first week sales numbers this morning and I only just realized even freaking Blake sold more his first week than Kris. Lord. I certainly hope that’s not the indicator of his fanbase size but I really don’t know. I’m afraid to see his sales this week to be honest. With all the new debuts and some older CD’s seeing good increases he may not even be in the Top 25.

Here is the vid from last night of Yo Arms with the banter about Lindsay Rose and her being shown to the crowd. awwwwww This child is indeed a fighter. <3

All the Lindsay Rose stuff from last night has been making me smile non-stop. That little girl does not have it easy and its so heartwarming to see their friendship and how much joy he brings her.

DLee-love you!

Reminder:

So much finger-wagging and lecturing this morning. Deleting all of it. Please keep your remarks focused on the subject, not on criticizing your fellow posters.

Eileen99
“snlw: Ryan had Kris on briefly 2 weeks ago and LLWD was the ‘breakout’  song of the week. In his intro, Ryan said there have been four Idol winners to be on AT40, and there is about to be a fifth ‘“ Kris Allen. So ‘ ¦ don’t know what that means in terms of when.”

Thanks Eileen for that piece of info which was a nice surprise/change coming from Ryan. But will wait and see if it happens. Don’t want to believe till I see it.

lol seems like I missed trannypeegate.lmao.whatevs.backtorl.

lol dlee

I think Adam will have a steep drop after the Black Friday week because his radio play isn’t much and the AMA controversy will die down ‘“ unless he comes up with something new.

Well, he has a lot of tv/radio appearances in December. Hopefully that’ll help and he can prepare to tour with someone next spring.

By the way, does anyone know how Allison’s single is doing on radio?

You know, I’ve said in the past that after 8 seasons, there isn’t much that an Idol does that hasn’t happened before.

Getting peed on is a new one for me. So, I was wrong and Adam is definitely breaking new ground.

Kirsten, I LOLed at this more than any other post before!

Listening to FYE for the fourth time today (I only got mine yesterday – international delivery). LOOOOOOOOVE IT! Love Music Again (the falsetto thing is so cool), WWFM, Fever and Master plan – How come Master Plan didn’t make the album I’ll never understand. Didn’t particularly like the balads though. I surprisingly didn’t liked soaked that much. Maybe it’ll grow on me. Actually in almost every album I love, the songs that I like imediately end up being my least favorites, and the ones that I don’t like at the first listen end up being my favorites for the long run.

By the way, they’re heavily advertising Rihanna’s new album on VH-1 as the ‘Most Anticipated Album of the Year’ . Who knew we had more than one of these most anticipated albums?

haha yeah. I’ve seen 4 “most anticipated album of the year” CD’s so far!

Jim should have learned his lesson when he called Janet Jackson ‘fat’  then had to tweet a ‘she’s not really fat’  retraction.

Yeah. I still didn’t get that fat comment. That was just stupid.

Tweets from Billy Bush about Kris & Adam

Poor @krisallen1. Good CD just not controversial enough to get attention. Didn’t even debut in top 10. Too bad

@adamlambert a strong album too. No question about it but in a crowded field getting an extra look helps big time. He got an extra look

Any mention of @adamlambert gets ppl in such a tizzy. Just mellow out. He’s a great artist, his sound is unique, he’s gonna do really well

Oh wow. Billy Bush said something positive about Adam. lol

Here is the vid from last night of Yo Arms with the banter about Lindsay Rose and her being shown to the crowd. awwwwww This child is indeed a fighter. <3

OK, AWWW! Hugs to that beautiful little fighter!

Trina “I think he needs more Top 40 airplay to drive up sales. I never really saw HAC as a huge driving force for sales. I was looking at my graph of first week sales numbers this morning and I only just realized even freaking Blake sold more his first week than Kris. Lord. I certainly hope that’s not the indicator of his fanbase size but I really don’t know. I’m afraid to see his sales this week to be honest. With all the new debuts and some older CD’s seeing good increases he may not even be in the Top 25.”

Sherena mentioned this below on one of the older threads:
’2009′s 80k is probably about the same as 2007′s 119k, though. Does anyone actually have numbers of how much the industry has decreased, percentage-wise, in those two years, so that we can actually calculate? They should have calculators for that. Kind of like inflation adjustment calculators except for for album units, and it’s deflation.’ 

So just thought she has a good point there. Besides, even though Kris had iTunes pass right after the Finale for pre-order, isn’t it May when we’re hit with waves and waves of bad economy & lay off news? How many people would buy the iTunes Pass at $16-$17 then??? And since Kris has been constantly overshadowed by Adam’s news or put down/ignored by the media, he is pretty much starting from the ground up for his music esp. since they don’t even promote him as an AI winner on iTunes. Anyway, I still think Kris will be fine in the long run and am not too concerned with his sales numbers unless the radio also ignored him completely. Then I’ll be very worried.

Lambert’s For Your Entertainment makes me want to hear Adam on Idol again. On Idol, Adam sang mostly familiar cover tunes but drastically reworked them and, in nearly all cases, dramatically improved upon them. Will anyone care to listen to Tears for Fears’ Mad World again now that Adam made his rendition a new pop standard?

No, they won’t.

How about Adam’s covers on Upright Cabaret?

snlw

It isn’t up to Ryan. If LLWD is in the Top 40 on whatever chart the American Top 40 show uses, he will have to play it.

Besides that, Ryan likes Kris.

Where did the idea ever come from that Ryan doesn’t like Kris? I always got the impression that he liked him a lot. It seems like he is always saying nice things about him.

New Years is after the FCC late night ‘children window’  and so I don’t think that Adam will be discouraged from performing. Besides, his contract will probably be with Dick Clark productions and not ABC. So if he is ‘banned’  then there will be ‘hell to pay’  by someone because the excuse for having him not perform on GMA was he was a ‘loose cannon’  for daytime programming’ ¦and how do you move that thought over into late night television.

Dick Clark Productions produces both New Years Rockin’ Eve AND the American Music Awards. However, I have not seen any statement from the AMAs about Adam’s performance to know if they were upset.

Where did the idea ever come from that Ryan doesn’t like Kris? I always got the impression that he liked him a lot. It seems like he is always saying nice things about him.

I think it comes from when Simon was on Ryan’s show, Ryan put Kris only above Taylor and Ruben in terms of winners. But besides that, on the show Ryan always seemed to like Kris and when Kris visited Ryan’s show, so who knows?

Oops. Should have said “… I have not seen any statement from DCP about Adam’s performance …”

Is it a done deal that Adam will tour? I think I remember him saying that he would tour if only the album sold well. Its way too soon to tell that, isnt it?

I don’t think there will be an issue with the New Years Eve gig. Wasn’t GMAs reasoning for the cancellation attributed to the early morning nature of the concert? But then again, I never would have believed GH would pull Mad World (if that is, indeed what happened).

on that fmqb chart that had Adam at the top of the pop and Hot AC album charts, Kris’ album was at #15 pop and #9 Hot AC

However, this fmqb.com chart is for ONE DAY sales — in this particular case, for Tuesday, Nov. 24. So who knows where Kris’ album will end up ranking for the week — especially since Susan Boyle and Andrea Bocelli are nowhere to be found on these charts.

I would think he will be in the top 20 for the week when the numbers are released — maybe in the top 15. But that’s just a guess on my part.

His sales dropped by 64% for that one day — if that number holds up for the entire week, then he would sell approximately 30K

http://www.fmqb.com/Article.asp?id=56668

Here is a review of FYE from the UK. This is the first one I’ve seen.

http://www.digitalspy.com/music/albumreviews/a188967/adam-lambert-for-your-entertainment.html

Adam has repeatedly said he is going to tour — probably sometime in the spring. But no plans seem to have been made yet.

And pretty much everyone has to tour behind albums. There aren’t many people who can sell bucketloads of albums without touring to promote them.

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There’s nothing at that link…just a blank page

I really think Adam’s CD will continue to do well. When the FYE video hits TV more people will be interested, there are several other songs on the CD that could be big hits (Fever for sure, Sleepwalker is my favorite-once it gets in head, it’s there to stay).

I was at Meiijer today (like Target in Michigan) picking up a FYE for my sister-there weren’t many on the shelf, but afterwards I saw a couple looking at FYE and saying, “Is THAT the one she wants?” They did a double take at the cover art, of course, but they took it.

My 15 yr old was looking at SuBo’s CD and commented, “They’re all covers. No original music. At least Adam has NEW songs”. SuBo’s pile of CD’s was large, but that may be b/c they expect to sell a lot.

Adam has repeatedly said he is going to tour ‘” probably sometime in the spring. But no plans seem to have been made yet.

Adam has said that he will go on tour IF the album does well enough. So right now, no plans because no idea about how well the album will do.

girlygirl- I just clicked on it an it came up for me. Maybe your computer blocked it. IDF has it.

http://idolforums.com/index.php?s=119cc92d840335a1cdd13ad7ec5ddde0&showtopic=633912

IF these fmqb.com 1-day numbers are even close to being accurate across the entire week, there are going to be some massive drops in sales for many of the artists who saw their albums released last week

these are the 1-day % drops in sales they give

One Republic down 82.1%
Justin Bieber down 81.4%
Norah Jones down 81.1%
Them Crooked Vultures down 79.2%
John Mayer down 73.9%
Janet Jackson down 71.7%
50 Cent down 71.4%
Kris Allen down 64.1%
Leona Lewis down 59.6%

If you wanted to try and give it a positive spin, Kris’ album held up better than most of the others released last week. But he also sold less then several of these people did last week, so even with massive drops, they might still end up outselling him this week as well

Adam has said that he will go on tour IF the album does well enough. So right now, no plans because no idea about how well the album will do.

What is the alternative? It’s not like you can perform on an awards show, get booked and then cancelled on a morning show, and show up on Letterman every week. A Vegas club act?

Adam will definitely tour, I think the big question is what kind of tour it will be, as in venue, and that is where the “see how the album does” statement comes into play.

Adam will definitely tour, I think the big question is what kind of tour it will be, as in venue, and that is where the ‘see how the album does’  statement comes into play.

Although I would love 1 1/2 to 2 hours of just Adam, I am hoping he opens for someone. That way, he can get more bells and whistles, play larger venues, and be exposed to more people who maybe aren’t already fans.
Can you believe Laday Gaga opend for New Kids on the Block last year? Wow, what a difference a year makes!

Adam will definitely tour, I think the big question is what kind of tour it will be, as in venue, and that is where the ‘see how the album does’  statement comes into play.

But they are also releasing him internationally, which means a lot of promo gigs abroad, probably in the UK and Japan. He will be very busy for a while ahead.

No I-told-you-so, but if only Kris had put out a great single and delayed a bit to put out a better album, at a time when there wasn’t such strong holiday competition!

don’t know if that would have helped. and I don’t dislike his album, I just think it isn’t Kris at his best and in his true element.

and the controversy has definitelyl helped Adam. I think for every person offended by his AMA performance, there are plenty of others who said, wow this guy is a trip! and the album does seem more faithful to his strengths than Kris’s….

meanwhile, I find the whole radioplay question fascinating….Radio used to play a HUGE role in selling records, it was definitely the primary factor. But I’m curious how many people are really listening to AM radio especially anymore, and how much it influences their buying. I listen to NPR and to a couple of eclectic FM music stations, but that’s about it….

saga

Not necessarily. I tend to think any promotional stuff he did overseas would probably be tied in with an actual tour. When Kelly’s albums were released overseas, did she do any promotional stuff abroad that wasn’t tied in with her actual tour dates?

What is the alternative? It’s not like you can perform on an awards show, get booked and then cancelled on a morning show, and show up on Letterman every week. A Vegas club act?

I think the alternative is that you’re not supporting the album is a bad sign, basically. I know that it’s been ‘joked,’ about here, but did Blake, Kat, Diana, or all the other idols with “disappionting,” sales go on tour to support the album? My guess is not considering how quickly some were let go by their label. I could be wrong about that, I genuinely don’t know.

So if the album is successful, then I’m sure RCA will sink some money into a tour to support it next year, if it isn’t, I can’t imagine them doing that if it isn’t. So they’ll want to wait and see approach, I imagine.

Just my thoughts, I am not the Idol expert others here are.

did Blake, Kat, Diana, or all the other idols with ‘disappionting,’  sales go on tour to support the album? My guess is not.

Kat did do a few gigs on a short tour (she vlogged from the bus). I seem to recall it lasted a week or two. Blake didn’t get a tour. I don’t know about Diana.

Kat also did some summer radio events (she released in January which was too late for the Jingle events).

Not necessarily. I tend to think any promotional stuff he did overseas would probably be tied in with an actual tour. When Kelly’s albums were released overseas, did she do any promotional stuff abroad that wasn’t tied in with her actual tour dates?

Kelly is an established artist, you cannot really compare. Adam is not. He can’t tour in Europe if no one knows who he is.

But then again, I never would have believed GH would pull Mad World (if that is, indeed what happened).

I am not convinced this is true…I recall hearing both the GJ and AL versions of Mad World weeks ago on GH…on one promo there was GJ, on the show there was Adam and so on and so forth

Hmm, what would be really good for Adam would be to land a gig as an opening act for a huge world tour, especially in Europe. Too bad that Robbie doesn’t want to tour anymore.

ETA: He was off-key and screwed up the lyrics.

Hmm, what would be really good for Adam would be to land a gig as an opening act for a huge world tour, especially in Europe. Too bad that Robbie doesn’t want to tour anymore.

Yeah, him and Robbie would be amazing, i would do anything to see that.

I just watched the 24 min. interview that came with Adam’s iTunes release, and wow, what an understanding he has of music and the music business. It is clear that his focus is on the visual (music videos) and performing live (tour) – I think he will tour, it’s just a matter of where, with who, and venue size.

What’s interesting about the reviews of FYE is that most American reviewers are not liking the synthy, disco-y tunes so much, and discounting it as “Britney” style pop. Many like the more rock type tunes (maybe those expecting/wanting Adam to do traditional rock) and some only like the ballads (maybe those wanting more of the Mad World vibe). I’ve seen a few complaints that his voice doesn’t come through because of “over-production” but the production is very modern.

However, almost all seem to find a few tunes they like, so I think his vision of “something for everyone” is genius, and he gets that his audience is diverse. But that UK reviewer seems to like the modern pop sounds, maybe that style is more popular in Europe? IDK but I love the futuristic sound (surprising since I listened to mostly old stuff before).

I was disappointed with the AMA performance (only the stumble and inferior vocals) but my kids in their 20s said “wow, he’s cooler than I thought.” lol

elw
I am DISGUSTED that ABC cancelled Adam and choose to interview Chris Brown instead (abusing women is ok????). I have contacted them and let them know how I feel. I encourage anyone else who is angry about this to contact ABC as well.

soverymel
ABC blinked. While they are airing the interview, they are doing it on 20/20 at night, with only preview clips during GMA. There will be no live performance.

There was an article in the Houston Chronicle today stating ABC had gotten a lot of complaints from women and gays re: Adam’s cancellation on GMA. ABC said he was cancelled not b/c of his sexuality but because he couldn’t be trusted during a live performance (paraphrase). If that’s the case, then what’s the reason behind not using his version of Mad World on General Hospital anymore?? That’s not live!

Wondering as well if ABC will still air his Barbara Walter’s interview (on 12/9) or if they plan to delete it or replace him with someone else…Also, do you think he will still be on Dick Clark’s Rockin New Year’s Eve? Isn’t that on ABC as well? If they take him off the Walter’s special and New Years Eve, then I think ABC has definitely gone too far. What Chris Brown did was a LOT worse than Adam’s AMA performance!

Your thoughts??

Wondering as well if ABC will still air his Barbara Walter’s interview (on 12/9) or if they plan to delete it or replace him with someone else’ ¦Also, do you think he will still be on Dick Clark’s Rockin New Year’s Eve? Isn’t that on ABC as well? If they take him off the Walter’s special and New Years Eve, then I think ABC has definitely gone too far. What Chris Brown did was a LOT worse than Adam’s AMA performance!

Your thoughts??

Yes, I believe they will certainly air the Barbara Walter’s interview – there is no singing there, it’s pre-taped (so they can edit out if he does a “crotch nuzzle” and if anything, his recent shenanigans make him even more “fascinating.”

I would be VERY upset if they remove him from the Rockin New Year’s Eve show, and they need to be careful with that, because of the possible backlash.

ETA: I sent an email through ABC expressing my feelings about the cancellation.

Will anyone care to listen to Tears for Fears’ Mad World again now that Adam made his rendition a new pop standard?

Me – I will. In fact, I’ve got a copy of it.

I also like the cover version from Donnie Darko, that Lambert embellished.

Not saying that there’s anything wrong with that. I loved Cook’s version of (edit: the Chris Cornell cover of) Billie Jean and still listen to it in amongst the mix on my i-pod. But I also still like Michael Jackson’s version of what is, after all, his song.

If that’s the case, then what’s the reason behind not using his version of Mad World on General Hospital anymore?? That’s not live!

This is nothing but a rumor at this point. There is no evidence to support this as being true.

Adam has now passed quarter a million followers on twitter! pretty cool

lol thanks saga… my brain and my fingers don’t always work well together

Adam has now passed half a million followers on twitter! pretty cool

I think you mean a quarter of a million right?

Regarding Adam touring, I am betting he will tour on some level. Either as and opening act for a big venue (which is what I think is best for him) or a smaller venue as a solo act. I didn’t go to the AI tour this year, because I didn’t want to sit through a bunch of acts I didn’t like. I am holding out on seeing Adam on his own tour (either as a warm up or solo)…. I hope my desire to see him tour pans out!

FYE will probably go over well enough in Europe, especially in Finland, but it is in Asia where, altogether, Adam may just have more fans than he does in the U.S. Talking about places like Singapore, Malaysia, Indonesia, Phillipines, Vietnam, China and Japan. This is the big story you’re just not reading in the mainstream press. There are people from those countries on here or one of the Adam fan sites that can vouch for this. So if you go on tour where the fans are, for Adam it’s probably going to be Asia — besides the U.S. and Canada.

By the way, if you’re an Adam fan, you might be interested to know that Adam’s terrific cover of “I just love you” is up to 299,036 hits since February on YouTube. Want to make it hit 300,000? Here’s the link:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bi8_Xnq7c1s

Adam keeps saying it depends on how his album does to see if he goes on tour. Kris has been saying for at least a month that his tour starts in February. I don’t keep up with Kris, so I don’t know anything about his tour: opening for someone or headlining, or what kind of a venue.

Yeah, I can really see Adams sound doing well here in Europe as opposed to Daughtry or Cook. I know he has a few eurodisco sounding tracks but I actually think the rock/electro pop kind of songs will do well too. Maybe they’ll release MA and SFW as singles… or they’d go for FYE and If I Had You.

I just watched the 24 min. interview that came with Adam’s iTunes release, and wow, what an understanding he has of music and the music business.

Yes, after watching that incredible interview I decided that Adam is really “all about the music”.

Yes, I believe they will certainly air the Barbara Walter’s interview ‘“ there is no singing there, it’s pre-taped (so they can edit out if he does a ‘crotch nuzzle’  and if anything, his recent shenanigans make him even more ‘fascinating.’ 

Thanks a lot for that mental image of Adam nuzzling Barbara’s crotch.

Or would it be the other way around? Okay, I’ll drop it now, sorry.

but did Blake, Kat, Diana, or all the other idols with ‘disappionting,’  sales go on tour to support the album? My guess is not considering how quickly some were let go by their label. I could be wrong about that, I genuinely don’t know.

Taylor Hicks went on a very extensive tour in 2007 in support of his self-titled album “Taylor Hicks”. Lasted from Feb. ’07 to Nov. ’07 — in two segments. IIRC his tour was the 15th highest totals tour in that year.

Thanks a lot for that mental image of Adam nuzzling Barbara’s crotch.

Or would it be the other way around? Okay, I’ll drop it now, sorry.

Ha Ha – that was a joke of course, but if I were interviewing, I might be tempted for the “other way around” scenario.

By the way, if you’re an Adam fan, you might be interested to know that Adam’s terrific cover of ‘I just love you’  is up to 299,036 hits since February on YouTube. Want to make it hit 300,000? Here’s the link:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bi8_Xnq7c1s

Thanks for posting the link. Especially for those who may not have seen it. It is a beautiful cover.

Don’t know if this article was posted about Adam, but it’s a great one:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jim-david/adam-lambert-my-hero_b_368588.html

I’m starting to feel that GMA canceling Adam was the best possible thing that could have happened (although I know so many fans who went to NY from all over the country and world to see him so that is sad).

Someone reported on a nice conversation they had with the director of the Ann Arbor Symphony after David Archuleta’s concert last night:

As we sat in the lobby a few of us noticed a man with his family chatting by the main lobby doors. I was MR LIPSKY, the conductor of the Ann Arbor Symphony ! So, being the outgoing person that I am, I approached Mr Lipsky and asked if it was indeed him, (it was) and I said, ‘Let me shake your hand, the symphony with David tonight was amazing’ He chatted freely with our group .

Highlights of his conversation were: When he first met David what he noticed right away were (in his words)’ ¦ ‘his sparkly eyes” ¦ and that David is so ‘real” ¦. he said David is so amazing to work with and at such a young age is so in tune to performing with an orchestra, and that he instinctively knows what to do. We asked him if they would have David back in the future and he said’ ¦’ ¦’Oh YES!!’

Kristin asked him what his favorite song of the night was and he said without hesitation ‘O Holy Night” ¦.that ‘chills ran up my back’ as David sang that song and although he is supposed to be concentrating on conducting he couldn’t help but look at David as he sang that song.

Thanks for posting the link. Especially for those who may not have seen it. It is a beautiful cover.

It is beautiful – I have it in my iPod but I think I still like his version of Come Home better – check that one out too if you haven’t.

MJ, can you give a little love to Brooke White? Apparently, she has a Christmas EP out.

Here she is singing one of the songs from her home.

Kristin asked him what his favorite song of the night was and he said without hesitation ‘O Holy Night” ¦.that ‘chills ran up my back’ as David sang that song and although he is supposed to be concentrating on conducting he couldn’t help but look at David as he sang that song.

Do you know if ‘O Holy Night’ is on David’s album??

No I-told-you-so, but if only Kris had put out a great single and delayed a bit to put out a better album, at a time when there wasn’t such strong holiday competition!

don’t know if that would have helped.

The pre-holiday sales time is a huge double-edged sword, though. It does expose you to some tough competition, but it’s also the only time of the year when people seem to turn up in droves to buy music. Plus, coming off AI, you don’t want people to be distracted by having fallen in love with new idols before they buy your stuff.

And once a guy’s face is in the singer’s crotch, you can pretty much kiss the melody goodbye.

Loved the Huffington Post article. This^quote made me lol.

By the way, if you’re an Adam fan, you might be interested to know that Adam’s terrific cover of ‘I just love you’  is up to 299,036 hits since February on YouTube. Want to make it hit 300,000? Here’s the link:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bi8_Xnq7c1s

I have this posted on my fb page…it’s so beautiful.

Kat did do a few gigs on a short tour (she vlogged from the bus). I seem to recall it lasted a week or two. Blake didn’t get a tour. I don’t know about Diana.

Kat also did some summer radio events (she released in January which was too late for the Jingle events).

Well, the early seasons, with Diana, were quite different. Except when Clay and Ruben were kind of co-winners, the runners up didn’t get much going in those days.

And one issue with Kat is that her album was positively loaded with songs that would be very tough for her, or anyone, to sing live. And they certainly wouldn’t want to do an extended lip-synching tour with an Idol, as common as those may be for some others or, alternatively, push her to dance and sing to the extent that those peppy pop songs require so that she’d end up killing herself. She did quite a few small, event-focused gigs instead.

It is beautiful ‘“ I have it in my iPod but I think I still like his version of Come Home better ‘“ check that one out too if you haven’t.

Thanks. That was amazing. I can’t believe he sang that at upright Cabaret LESS than a year ago. Wowww!!!!

On the international thing, I know that Elliott isn’t all that comparable to the Adam situation, but he has an album that has gone gold in Japan, an accomplishment that not a lot of Idols can match abroad. And when he started his promotion over there they started him out with radio stations, pretty much like they do here to acquaint people with a new artist. He did mini-concerts at big stations, did some kind of video gig with one Japanese pop star, etc., and then in his later visits he did small tours. ….

It didn’t seem to be that different from what happens in the U.S. — they basically started out by introducing the new artist with the album for sale to listening audiences and to the radio industry, and only when they’d made that introduction did they actually book other gigs. …. I would expect a lot of people do it that way.

adam will be with BWalters on Wednesday December 9th

http://www.examiner.com/x-11462-LA-Music-Examiner~y2009m11d27-Adam-Lambert-and-Lady-Gaga-on-Barbara-Walters-10-Most-Fascinating-People-of-2009-List

iluvai- Oh Holy Night IS on DA’s album. I have to say that it was amazing when I saw it live last week. He sang it as the encore then too, and it was unbelievable– the expression and conviction he sang it with. It was powerful.

Here is the audio of which this director speaks. There were actually no cameras or recording devices allowed, but this young lady smuggled one in. I am sure it doesn’t begin to capture the quality of it live.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wmIvm9XhPZs

Don’t know if this article was posted about Adam, but it’s a great one:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jim-david/adam-lambert-my-hero_b_368588.html

I love Jim David. Thanks for posting this I had missed it (and I haunt HuffPost daily so no idea how).

Here is the audio of which this director speaks. There were actually no cameras or recording devices allowed, but this young lady smuggled one in. I am sure it doesn’t begin to capture the quality of it live.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wmIvm9XhPZs

LK09: Thank you for the link. ‘O Holy Night’ is my favorite Christmas song. David sang that beautifully. I got tears. That was powerful.

IF these fmqb.com 1-day numbers are even close to being accurate across the entire week, there are going to be some massive drops in sales for many of the artists who saw their albums released last week

these are the 1-day % drops in sales they give

One Republic down 82.1%
Justin Bieber down 81.4%
Norah Jones down 81.1%
Them Crooked Vultures down 79.2%
John Mayer down 73.9%
Janet Jackson down 71.7%
50 Cent down 71.4%
Kris Allen down 64.1%
Leona Lewis down 59.6%

wow…. those are HUGE drops!Its definitely the norm for the second week sales to drop off.

I think as long as Adam doesn’t do anymore “surprises” he’ll still perform at the New Years Rockin’ Eve. Plus, I’m sure Ryan will help him out to make sure he stays on the performance list. I think the GMA’s was a one time thing. People have done A LOT worst and haven’t been banned from a while network.

Yeah, I can really see Adams sound doing well here in Europe as opposed to Daughtry or Cook. I know he has a few eurodisco sounding tracks but I actually think the rock/electro pop kind of songs will do well too. Maybe they’ll release MA and SFW as singles’ ¦ or they’d go for FYE and If I Had You.

Granted, I think Europeans are far more into that retro 80′s glam pop than Americans are, but given a chance I think they’d like Daughtry and Cook. They liked Daughtry’s song, What About Now, on the X-Factor. Too bad he didn’t get a chance to sing it. The audiences here seem to appreciate both Cook and the Script while they’ve been touring together and, during the 7th season, many Brits on DigitalSpy seemed to like Cook. Furthermore, they certainly appreciate American heartland rock when more established American acts tour, so I don’t see why either of these “newer” guys shouldn’t give it a shot.

BestAI

Kris keeps saying that he expects to start touring in February — but, like with Adam, no actual plans have been announced. In his interviews, Kris has said that he might do a college tour a la what David Cook has done, he might try and hook on as an opening act for someone, or he might do a little of both. Kris has said that he is going to keep touring until he can’t tour any longer, which suggests he is expecting to be out on the road for a very long time with a lot of dates (again, similar to Cook’s current tour). But nothing has been announced, and evidently his management/label hasn’t clued Kris in on which direction they may go. They need to get on this pretty soon, though, if they expect him to start touring in February — need to book the dates and venues, etc..

Is Nickelback big in Europe? If they are, then there might be some hope for Daughtry and Cook to make it there too.

Has it been confirmed that Adam will be performing at the New Year’s Eve gig?

Has it been confirmed that Adam will be performing at the New Year’s Eve gig?

Well, it was in the Billboard Magazine article so it seemed pretty official. All the speculation about him possibly being kicked off it is just that, speculation. We really have no way of knowing, but it seems unlikely.

http://www.billboard.com/#/features/adam-lambert-the-billboard-cover-story-video-1004044836.story?page=2

Kirsten
11/28/2009 at 12:31 pm
And still the CD doesn’t sell. According to HDD the CD is not in the top 15 on the busiest shopping week of the year? That pretty much sucks.

Well, you know, people do buy music other than that produced by Idols. I’m sure all the other musical artists, for instance the 18 they had on the AMAs, want to move some units too. A rising tide floats all boats.

LLWD is still selling above it’s spin-ranking, so that’s may be a sign that people like what they hear. And hey, maybe it is only radio that likes him, but it’s nice to be liked by someone.

Thank you, Kirsten! BTW, how do you know so much about all this charting/spin stuff anyway?! I’m glad you do, but I’m pretty clueless so I’m therefore quite impressed. Thanks so much for (patiently) helping us figure it out!

Hey, I missed Kris on Bonnie Hunt. Does anyone have a link?

@Diane: I believe the Bonnie Hunt show with Kris will be shown on Monday, the 30th.

LLWD is still selling above it’s spin-ranking, so that’s may be a sign that people like what they hear. And hey, maybe it is only radio that likes him, but it’s nice to be liked by someone.

I was away for a few days in PA and visited a Target store. I walked past the music section and saw a display for “New Releases” that had John Mayer’s CD, Adam’s, SuBO’s and 50 Cent, among others. Most of these new releases were on sale for $9.99. Kris Allen’s CD was not there.

Curious, I walked around a bit to find it, and couldn’t. I gave up and asked a store attendant for help, and he had to look in the computer for the placement of the CD, walked around a bit and found it in the middle of a section called something like “Popular” – but the section wasn’t alphabetized – just random placement – and the Kris Allen CD was over $13.

The new release display was mostly empty. Something tells me Kris would have sold many more CD’s if his album were on sale and featured on the “New Release” display since people looking for quick, inexpensive gifts tend to grab those.

I know so much weight is placed on these preliminary sales but honestly, all this talk about how CD placement in stores is somehow deterring people from buying Kris’s CD just reinforces my personal preference that I’d much rather have people buying Kris’s CD because it isn’t placed prominently on a shelf, but because it’s a good CD. If this is how it has been for Kris, and he’s still selling, then awesome. I feel better knowing people are either actively trying to find his CD, asking store clerks about where it is or whether they have it in stock, etc. than for people to just randomly pick it up and think, well random stocking stuffer here because it’s under the best-sellers or new releases or whatever.

This is not to say that the ones that are more prominently advertised are being bought because people just see them right away. I’m sure they intended to buy them anyway. I just think that if someone makes a point to go track down Kris’s CD because it’s not as prominently placed and he’s still selling, then that’s a good sign.

I just got my hard copy of the EW. Slezak reviewed Allison’s album and gave it an A-. Sorry if this was posted before, but I didn’t see it.

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Diane
11/28/2009 at 10:08 pm

Hey, I missed Kris on Bonnie Hunt. Does anyone have a link?
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Starr
11/28/2009 at 10:23 pm

@Diane: I believe the Bonnie Hunt show with Kris will be shown on Monday, the 30th.

Hey MJ–you have Kris’ appearance listed for the 24th in your Idol Appearances section up top in the pink heading, but I think it was taped then and will be shown on Monday, the 30th. FYI

Looking forward to this as Bonnie has a good sense of humor.

I know so much weight is placed on these preliminary sales but honestly, all this talk about how CD placement in stores is somehow deterring people from buying Kris’s CD just reinforces my personal preference that I’d much rather have people buying Kris’s CD because it isn’t placed prominently on a shelf, but because it’s a good CD. If this is how it has been for Kris, and he’s still selling, then awesome. I feel better knowing people are either actively trying to find his CD, asking store clerks about where it is or whether they have it in stock, etc. than for people to just randomly pick it up and think, well random stocking stuffer here because it’s under the best-sellers or new releases or whatever.

This is not to say that the ones that are more prominently advertised are being bought because people just see them right away. I’m sure they intended to buy them anyway. I just think that if someone makes a point to go track down Kris’s CD because it’s not as prominently placed and he’s still selling, then that’s a good sign.

I bought Kris’s CD in Newbury Comics and it was displayed on the “New CDs” endcap. It was on the top row and very easy to find. It was $11.98. I was in Wal-Mart a few days later and once again it was front and center. Today I was in another Newbury Comics and not only was it well displayed, they were playing it. So, so far I have seen no display issues with the CD at all.

Cute video of Danny performing at a holiday celebration in Wisconsin. Not a huge venue but he has family near there and wanted to make the appearance while home for Thanksgiving.

Kids seem to be loving it, and getting a little exercise while they’re at it. Lol.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p0azm-u50CY

This is the first chance I had today to come to MJ’s and the ‘peegate’ comments are hilarious!!!!!

Going back now to read more comments.

And I’m glad to see FYE doing so well. I really love this album. Today my favorite is SleepWalker… but it changes all the time. I, also, love Music Again, WDYWFM, Fever, ….oh well…I love them all.

At my Target, AL was on a prominent new-release endcap with decent stock, and Kris was just in the alpha section, as though it wasn’t new at all. They were two sleeves full of Kris there.

At WalMart, there were some of each, though AL’s were closer to eye level on the end cap.

VH1 5 Questions with Kris Allen

I know so much weight is placed on these preliminary sales but honestly, all this talk about how CD placement in stores is somehow deterring people from buying Kris’s CD just reinforces my personal preference that I’d much rather have people buying Kris’s CD because it isn’t placed prominently on a shelf, but because it’s a good CD. If this is how it has been for Kris, and he’s still selling, then awesome.

But for a new release I think placement does help. If someone wants to go and buy a CD because they heard what they like it would help to actually find the CD and not have to look up and down a store. The new release endcaps are perfect for casual buyers. There could be plenty of people out there who were fans of his during Idol and don’t even know he has a CD out. You go into a store, see someones name in the new release section its a good reminder.

At my Target, AL was on a prominent new-release endcap with decent stock, and Kris was just in the alpha section, as though it wasn’t new at all. They were two sleeves full of Kris there.

Same exact thing in my local Walmart and Target. And it has nothing to do with the fact Kris’s CD came out the week before either because John Mayer and Justin Biebers CD’s are still on the new release racks.

I bought Kris’ album at Best Buy, and it wasn’t in the new releases section — just under the “A’s” in the regular music display.

It does seem odd that this CD wouldn’t be displayed in the new releases section. Myself, I tend to look at that section first if I’m not looking for any particular CD.

PS – Here’s a picture that Kris’ friend tweeted of Kris and his family watching the LSU-Arkansas game today. Unfortunately, Arkansas lost in overtime…

http://twitpic.com/re17a

It does seem odd that this CD wouldn’t be displayed in the new releases section. Myself, I tend to look at that section first if I’m not looking for any particular CD.

Yup, me too. When I got the CD, I really literally had to dig for it in the alpha section. No way would anyone just randomly find that CD. I hope it isn’t like that in too many areas. Strange that it bounced right into the alpha section. David Cook’s CD stayed in the new release section in that same Target for what seemed live forever. I don’t know about any other CDs because that was the last one I bought there, heh.

Starr and hoosiermama, thanks. I wondered how I missed it, but the Appearances link said it was indeed on the 24th.

Slezak graded Allison’s CD?! Did he grade Kris’s and Adam’s?

Kris’ CD was at the end cap with the new releases at my Wal-mart. Maybe it has to do with individual store managers???? Also, my Wal-mart has flat screen t.v.s that play advertisements throughout the store– video/commercials of Kris have been playing for the last several weeks.

At my Target FYE was featured on an endcap (and on sale for $9.88); Kris Allen nowhere to be found. Looked like FYE had sold quite a few, there was a lot of empty space around the half dozen that remained.
This seems so odd.

On another topic, I think it is interesting that Leila and Adam are spending so much time together, and that she came with him to NY. I love the dichotomy of the OTT sex-god (ahem) and the mama’s boy (but in a very nice and apparently healthy way). As the mother of a 20-something male, I particularly like seeing this strong relationship.

Danny performing It’s Only live at his appearance earlier today. (The seating to the sides of “the stage” were cleared for security/etc., so the audience isn’t visible in this view.)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PXNhKhVg8tw

Slezak graded Allison’s CD?! Did he grade Kris’s and Adam’s?

Here is Allison’s A- grade by Slezak. It doesn’t appear that he graded Kris or Adam’s. Maybe he did it because the release isn’t big enough for the regular music critic? Idk

http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,20322505,00.html

Adam got a B+ from Leah Greenblat

http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,20320921,00.html

Kris got a B- from Whitney Pastorek

http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,20319051,00.html

It’s interesting to see the letter grades get better the later the album is released. Make sense. The more time you have to work on it, the better it will be.

I also just got my hard copy of RS.

Adam got three stars.

Allison got two and a half stars

Kris got two stars.

I think it is interesting that Leila and Adam are spending so much time together, and that she came with him to NY

I believe I heard him talk about that he actually hired her to be sort of a personal assistant. So I am sure they will get a lot of time together. I wish I could be around my mom more..

I believe I heard him talk about that he actually hired her to be sort of a personal assistant.

I heard/read that also. Wonder if Freddie Mercury would have done the same? LOL!
But this is what is so fascinating about Adam – and what also leads the occasional reviewer/commentator to say that he isn’t really a rocker, he is theatrical/whatever. Gaga also has a really strong relationship with her parents. So different from the angry rockers of another generation.

If you’re on a budget, but want to buy Kris’s CD, you can get a used one from Amazon at a reduced price.

My nephew bought Adam’s cd last night at Best Buy, but he had to look for it alphabetically under L. No prominent display for them.

Thanks for posting the link to the Jim David column in the Huffington Post. I missed it too, and I scour that site every day. It was a great column.

He mentions the late Jim Morrison of the Doors. What he doesn’t say is that Morrison was arrested in Miami for allegedly exposing his penis at a concert. Band members of the Doors say he never did such a thing; one or more audience members claim he did. I don’t think the case ever went to trial, as Morrison pled down to a lesser charge. But this allegedly happened before 10:50 pm. Morrison died in 1971, so this probably took place 40 years ago. Rockers did some pretty shocking and lewd things sometimes years ago, even if the complaint against Morrison was a bum rap, which it may have been. But these guys were all heteros. They were straight.

What is so different with Adam is that he’s gay. That is what really makes this all so different. And the networks are afraid to admit that they’re scared senseless because of the gay thing, but they are.

Now we have Tranny-pee-gate, which I think puts most of us into uncharted territory. Will this be discussed around the water cooler next week? You bet. Will there be more buzz about Adam because of this? You bet.

This is the other side of the coin from spineless networks. But publicity is publicity is publicity!

What is so different with Adam is that he’s gay. That is what really makes this all so different. And the networks are afraid to admit that they’re scared senseless because of the gay thing, but they are.

I honestly believe that if a straight guy would have done the same thing Adam did, esp. w/o the knowledge of TPTB, and esp. putting a girls face roughly into his crotch, it would have had the same fall out. Sorry, what he did was wrong.

Best AI: If you’re on a budget, but want to buy Kris’s CD, you can get a used one from Amazon at a reduced price.

You can, but it won’t get counted as a sale for Kris. So anyone who’s a fan and wishes to support his CD sales should buy a new CD.

“Oh wow. Billy Bush said something positive about Adam. lol”

I believe Adam’s on Access Hollywood on Monday, someone posted before. Also, on Tuesday, Billy said 1500 complaints out of 14.2 million viewers is not much. Surprised. I never thought he was an Adam supporter. Maybe his wife is though.lol Finally got my FYE cd today!!! And Kris’ too. YAY!!

Is Nickelback big in Europe? If they are, then there might be some hope for Daughtry and Cook to make it there too.

Yes, since neither of them sing in Klingon, I think there might be some hope that the Europeans will understand them.

“If you’re on a budget, but want to buy Kris’s CD, you can get a
used one from Amazon at a reduced price.”

“You can, but it won’t get counted as a sale for Kris. So anyone
who’s a fan and wishes to support his CD sales should buy a new
CD.”

I guess I don’t understand why some people can’t / won’t spend $10 for some album that they can keep forever. It is not that I don’t feel for those that have to budget, but for me it is so easy to get that extra $10.
Everytime I have the urge to buy some frozen treats, cappucino / go to a special lunch, etc, etc,..I just take a deep breath and remember that I need that money for something else. I practically did not go shopping and ate $1.00 frozen TV dinners for 2 years to be able to go to Italy.

I hate it that people sometimes resort to illegal downloading eventhough you like that CD and want to support that artist.

Just don’t get it.
Sorry, I’m just sad seeing Kris’ numbers. And of course Kris himself probably doesn’t care and instead was busy watching football. SIGH.

Yes, since neither of them sing in Klingon, I think there might be some hope that the Europeans will understand them.

LOL. The Europeans that I knew were more into metal than the Nickelback/Hinder sound. Groups/singers like Prodigy, Metallica and Marilyn Manson do well in Europe.

‘If you’re on a budget, but want to buy Kris’s CD, you can get a
used one from Amazon at a reduced price.’ 

Wow, some are hatin’ on him so much they’re selling his album back? Honestly, this is the only explanation I can find to this. LOL! Nothing to do with what’s on the album, just hate. Hmmm, and Adam thought he had it bad…

ETA: I’m sorry, but people just don’t turn around and sell albums the week after they purchase them. Esp. when they’ve had a chance to listen to AOL sessions before buying.

I hate it that people sometimes resort to illegal downloading eventhough you like that CD and want to support that artist.

I so understand how you feel – and this is new to me. Never before have I been attached to how a performer does in sales. I’ve never downloaded illegally, but have made CDs for friends from my iTunes file. After this experience, I will no longer do that. I’ll offer to let them listen, and if they like it, I’ll suggest that they purchase the music to support the artist (and all the other people involved in the project).

Wow, some are hatin’ on him so much they’re selling his album back? Honestly, this is the only explanation I can find to this. LOL! Nothing to do with what’s on the album, just hate. Hmmm, and Adam thought he had it bad’ ¦

I don’t think it’s that. I had an ex-boyfriend who used to buy CD’s, copy them, and then sell them on Ebay (among other shady practices) – I broke up with him pretty quick!

I honestly believe that if a straight guy would have done the same thing Adam did, esp. w/o the knowledge of TPTB, and esp. putting a girls face roughly into his crotch, it would have had the same fall out. Sorry, what he did was wrong.

I honestly believe that it would NOT have had the SAME fallout. TPTB knew it was a sexual S&M themed performance, and I believe there was a similar move with a woman which is hardly mentioned.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zmLT7ejHv4g&feature=autoshare_twitter

Adam Lambert and Media Cowardice.

This is well worth watching.

I honestly believe that if a straight guy would have done the same thing Adam did, esp. w/o the knowledge of TPTB, and esp. putting a girls face roughly into his crotch, it would have had the same fall out. Sorry, what he did was wrong.

I don’t think it’s the stuff Adam did with the girl that people are scandalized over. All the pics I see posted around the internet? Are the GUY’s face in Adam’s crotch, or Adam kissing a GUY. And that’s the source of a lot of the scandal too–the kiss– regardless of whether that’s the personal reason you find it wrong. So, would it have had the same fallout? I doubt it. But some fallout, probably.

I honestly believe that it would NOT have had the SAME fallout. TPTB knew it was a sexual S&M themed performance, and I believe there was a similar move with a woman which is hardly mentioned.

I’m inclined to agree with Cookcricket. Picture Keith Urban or Chris Daughtry doing what Adam did. It’s hard to even picture because: A. It’s actually more disturbing in some ways, and B. It would never happen. Straight men do not get away with those kinds of sexually aggressive moves towards females unless they are acting or doing some kind of dance improv. If you think that the few comments about sexual harrasment were over the top for Adam, they would be multiplied by 10 for these guys. All those magazines that are rallying behind Adam would be saying something quite different for these guys. Not to mention what the feminist groups would be saying.

Wow, some are hatin’ on him so much they’re selling his album back? Honestly, this is the only explanation I can find to this. LOL! Nothing to do with what’s on the album, just hate.

If they hated Kris, they never would have bought his album in the first place. Maybe they didn’t like it that much?

I hate it that people sometimes resort to illegal downloading eventhough you like that CD and want to support that artist.

It is really common these days. I know many people who got Adam’s album early doing that. I didn’t ask how because I had pre-ordered, and just waited patiently for mine.

Picture Keith Urban or Chris Daughtry doing what Adam did. It’s hard to even picture because: A. It’s actually more disturbing in some ways, and B. It would never happen. Straight men do not get away with those kinds of sexually aggressive moves towards females unless they are acting or doing some kind of dance improv.

I cannot picture them doing this because that’s not the type of performer they are. Actually, I believe Adam WAS acting AND doing a kind of dance improv – I believe he has actually stated (see Fab interview) that he does not do this in real life. It was a PERFORMANCE based on a song that had an S&M theme – he was acting out the song. Raunchy yes, but that’s what they signed on for.

This was reported in the Miami Herald online:

“AMERICAN MUSIC AWARDS: Adam Lambert shocked America by simulating oral sex on stage. Madonna sent him a bouquet of roses after the show.”

Z100 NY has Adam’s full album on their site to listen to..

Nickleback is pretty big in Europe.

Both of Daughtry’s albums are in the UK I tunes top 100 at the moment, spurred on by the X Factor and Boyzone covering one of their songs.

Cook sounds nothing like either Nickleback or Daughtry: that assertion always really puzzles me. It’s like if you play rock music in the post grunge era, you must all sound the same. Weird.

Personally, I cannot stand Nickleback. I actually bought the album that broke them into the big time, based on one song: how you remind me, or something. I played the album once and never played it again.

Cook’s music is far more of an indie rocker sound – even under the glossing on DCTR you can hear it and it’s certainly there in concerts and on previous records.

US indie rock does do well, in the UK at least, when it finds its way over here.

Cook sounds nothing like either Nickleback or Daughtry: that assertion always really puzzles me. It’s like if you play rock music in the post grunge era, you must all sound the same. Weird.

Generic mainstream rock just sounds like generic mainstream rock. I’m not really discerning enough with rock music to bother to look for the subtle differences– Cook, Daughtry, and Nickelback just sound alike to me. *shrug* And I doubt most music listeners are that discerning, either, so if Nickelback does well in Europe then that bodes well for Cook and Daughtry. I don’t follow Cook so I haven’t heard his pre-Idol records or concerts; I gave his major label debut a listen and it doesn’t sound very indie to me, and his singles definitely don’t. And that’s the sound he would be selling to the general populace through the radio singles, not the “indie” sound that you say is obvious in concerts and pre-Idol records.

This was reported in the Miami Herald online:

‘AMERICAN MUSIC AWARDS: Adam Lambert shocked America by simulating oral sex on stage. Madonna sent him a bouquet of roses after the show.’ 

LMAO – if it was true – awesome, if not still pretty funny and would love if it was true. Actually I can see quite a few artists supporting what Adam did, especially the artists that have themselves pushed the envelope and been flamed for it.

Generic mainstream rock just sounds like generic mainstream rock. I’m not really discerning enough with rock music to bother to look for the subtle differences’“ Cook, Daughtry, and Nickelback just sound alike to me. *shrug*

LOL I couldn’t agree more – I call them the “kidney stone” genre – cause they kind of sound like they are passing a kidney stone when they sing sustained notes… there are plenty who like that music though so back to apples and oranges. Though in this case I think it’s more Passion fruit (Adam) and apples (the mainstream rocker dudes).

Well yeah – I get what you’re saying. If you’re not into a genre of music and don’t really listen to it, it is harder to hear differences, especially if you are inclined to dismiss everything under one umbrella and therefore pre-judge it, as I am with other kinds of music.

And Light On is mainstream, generic rock, so based on that I can see the confusion.

Come Back To Me – which I detest – isn’t rock at all. I can’t see either Nickleback or Daughtry playing it and wish Cook wasn’t either.

But yeah – that’s why Adam Lambert’s album is a fail for me: it sounds just like every other record I hear in the top 40 popish world – and that’s not my kind of thing. In fact, some of the stuff in that genre stands out far more in its beats, so, to me, it’s a sub-standard version of its genre too.

Shrug – we’re all different.

As I said, Cook’s current album, especially once ypu get past the first 4 songs, doesn’t sound anything like Nickleback and fits into the indie rock niche far more once you strip away the AI gloss.

But there’s absolutely no reason why you’d want to do that if you don’t like the music, so ITA on that score.

Oh wow. Billy Bush said something positive about Adam. lol’ 

I believe Adam’s on Access Hollywood on Monday, someone posted before. Also, on Tuesday, Billy said 1500 complaints out of 14.2 million viewers is not much. Surprised. I never thought he was an Adam supporter. Maybe his wife is though.lol Finally got my FYE cd today!!! And Kris’ too. YAY!!

Billy Bush is gay. He talked about it on Oprah.

BestAI: If they hated Kris, they never would have bought his album in the first place. Maybe they didn’t like it that much?

Adam’s CD is also being offered used from Amazon.

Billy Bush is gay. He talked about it on Oprah.

WTF?

That kind of stinks they are allowed to sell used CDs so soon after an artist’s release. I wonder how many people burn the CD and then sell it used? I hate how hard it is for an artist to make sales because of all the illegal scams.

Too bad there is no way to stop it. I am a teacher and when I try to tell kids it’s wrong and how everyone associated with the CD, not just the singer or band, is trying to make a living they just look at me like I’m for another planet. *sigh*

As for different genres of music I couldn’t care less, I just like what I like. But if I have to think about it I guess the Rolling Stones are the only “real” rock band I like. Those who dismiss Adam as not being rock have no effect on my ear, I like his CD and I really don’t care what genre it is.

That kind of stinks they are allowed to sell used CDs so soon after an artist’s release. I wonder how many people burn the CD and then sell it used?

I’m sure there are as many reasons as there are CDs. Like, someone buys it and then comes home and finds out their spouse already bought it. Or they got it for a gift, and they had already preordered it.
And aren’t there a lot of people who manage to obtain stuff as cheap as possible and then regularly re-sell it used on Amazon and Ebay?

Anyhow, I agree that it stinks that they’re allowed to sell them so soon after the release.

Wow, some are hatin’ on him so much they’re selling his album back? Honestly, this is the only explanation I can find to this. LOL! Nothing to do with what’s on the album, just hate. Hmmm, and Adam thought he had it bad’ ¦

I’ve seen used items offered on Amazon all the time, even when the book/album/video game just game out!

People return stuff for a variety of reasons. I can think of a few right off the bat.

1)You order something to give as a gift and discover someone else is giving the same gift. So you ship it back.

2) You receive it, but discover you can get bonus tracks at other outlets, so you return it and buy it elsewhere.

3) You burn a copy (or read the book) and then return it.

Nothing new. It happens to all artists/writers/computer program producers, etc. Adam, Allison and yes, even SuBo will have used items available sooner or later, if they don’t already. Kris’s album has been out longer then the other three’s so he may be the first to have a used item.

ETA-Used items are never a significant number so I don’t think it makes that much of a difference in an artist’s album numbers. I have bought used items off of Amazon, and I will say, when things are tough, it’s nice to have that option. Think of it this way, some people my not buy Kris or Adam’s CD because it isn’t in their Christmas budget. But then they see it on sell, and they get it.

Also, doesn’t the original sale still count? So it doesn’t matter if it ws resold and the used sell doesn’t count?

Wow, some are hatin’ on him so much they’re selling his album back? Honestly, this is the only explanation I can find to this. LOL! Nothing to do with what’s on the album, just hate. Hmmm, and Adam thought he had it bad’ ¦

No, I don’t think this has anything to do with hate. You can find used cds by everybody on Ebay, and a lot of them do turn up soon after the albums come out. ….

It seems that quite a few people buy a cd and rip it, because they like the sound quality of that better than the download, and then they sell the cd to get money to buy more cds …. (I’m sure there are other reasons, too — but I kind of doubt that hate has much to do with it, because if there’s hate involved you probably wouldn’t have bought the cd in the first place, would you?)

It seems that quite a few people buy a cd and rip it, because they like the sound quality of that better than the download, and then they sell the cd to get money to buy more cds ‘ ¦.

Thank you all for explaining that items can and do appear quickly for resale and the reason behind it. I admit I probably read into the OPs statement as saying the album sucked and so some were returning/reselling it already…it’s never good to try to read into something, lol. In the words of Allison-”Did I say something stupid, there goes another mistake.”

Picture Keith Urban or Chris Daughtry doing what Adam did. It’s hard to even picture because: A. It’s actually more disturbing in some ways, and B. It would never happen. Straight men do not get away with those kinds of sexually aggressive moves towards females unless they are acting or doing some kind of dance improv.

I cannot picture them doing this because that’s not the type of performer they are. Actually, I believe Adam WAS acting AND doing a kind of dance improv ‘“ I believe he has actually stated (see Fab interview) that he does not do this in real life. It was a PERFORMANCE based on a song that had an S&M theme ‘“ he was acting out the song. Raunchy yes, but that’s what they signed on for.

Okay then, how about Emenem? I believe he would definitely turn out to the be the bad guy in the whole situation. As May mentioned the feminist groups would jump right on this- and rightly so. And ABC did not sign on for everything that happened I think that is the bottom line.

And ABC did not sign on for everything that happened I think that is the bottom line.

Exactly. ABC is in business, and they’re not in the business of promoting Adam’s Lambert’s tastes in entertainment. They have sponsors. I’m sure their morning show sponsors are even more careful about what kind of programming they’re sponsoring than their evening show sponsors. Think about it. Pampers, Snuggies, Dove, whatever. It’s not rocket science.

And how does giving the “fuck you” finger to the audience come under gay rights? If anyone else did it it would be considered very offensive. But we’re supposed to give Adam a pass because homophbia is afoot? I just can’t agree with that argument.

Nothing new. It happens to all artists/writers/computer program producers, etc. Adam, Allison and yes, even SuBo will have used items available sooner or later, if they don’t already.

Like I said in my earlier post, Adam’s CD, FYE, is also for sale used on Amazon. Allison’s CD goes on sale December 1st. Anyone and everyone who puts out a CD is subject to having it sold used on Amazon or many other sites.

Originally I responded to BestAI who said that people on a budget could buy Kris’s CD used on Amazon. Why this was news, I don’t know, since as soon as CD’s go on sale, there are usually copies for sale, used, whether they are Kris’s or someone else’s.

Like someone above posted, it’s a question of a few dollars difference. My budget is tight but it’s never that tight. I believe in supporting the artists I like by buying new albums. If I can’t afford it this week, I’ll save a few bucks and wait until next week.

Originally I responded to BestAI who said that people on a budget could buy Kris’s CD used on Amazon. Why this was news, I don’t know.

It is newsworthy because people have been posting that CD’s aren’t selling well this year because of the economy, and they are on a tight budget.

Thank you all for explaining that items can and do appear quickly for resale and the reason behind it.

You’re welcome. I know some people who do this, even though I tell them not to. But then they say, Well, but when I do it I *have* bought the album at full price, I’m then allowing somebody on a limited budget to get the album too, and I’m going to use the cash to buy more *music,* so it’s all good …

And while I still think that’s wrong, I do see a bit of something in that argument!

As I said, Cook’s current album, especially once ypu get past the first 4 songs, doesn’t sound anything like Nickleback and fits into the indie rock niche far more once you strip away the AI gloss.

But there’s absolutely no reason why you’d want to do that if you don’t like the music, so ITA on that score.

Well we’re talking about his possibility of making it big in Europe, right? Well the basis of him doing that would be his radio singles, which I assume will continue to the be the type of music that Light On and Come Back to Me are. And people who find that intriguing and want to buy his album will be the kind that like Nickelback and Daughtry, because his radio singles seem to be chosen to appeal to that demographic. It’s not a matter of pre-judging in this case, since we’re looking out of the AI bubble into the European music market.

My original comment, in which I wondered if Nickelback was popular in Europe, wasn’t meant to be an insult to Cook at all–funny that you took it that way. I don’t really respect mainstream or indie rock more than the other, but the sound he would be selling is the mainstream sound, so it makes sense to evaluate his sales potential on that.

Well we’re talking about his possibility of making it big in Europe, right? Well the basis of him doing that would be his radio singles, which I assume will continue to the be the type of music that Light On and Come Back to Me are.

I wouldn’t assume that at all. In fact, I’ll guarantee you, if he has anything to say about it, the next album and singles will sound nothing like Come Back to Me, that’s for sure. Don’t know about Light On, but I’d bet not. These were Idol influenced singles. Neither written by him and chosen not to scare off what AI stereotypically believed to be Cook’s Idol fanbase. In concert, he is definitely playing the album rougher, taking off all the over production polish, and there was even a post on DCO today commenting on the fact that the next album will involve Cook, his band, RCA and his A&R team. Not Idol.

I read U.S. iTunes comments for Adam’s FYE and alot of people don’t even judge the album but Adam’s performance of FYE on AMA’s. Homophobic haters comments most of them. It’s sad that most people in the US are that way. Afraid of sex and unable to be openminded.

I read U.S. iTunes comments for Adam’s FYE and alot of people don’t even judge the album but Adam’s performance of FYE on AMA’s. Homophobic haters comments most of them. It’s sad that most people in the US are that way. Afraid of sex and unable to be openminded.

Just my opinion & observation & I am only quoting the above to make an observation about that point which seems to be a common theme all over the internet when discussing Adam Lambert. I think if Adam had just sang the song & not contributed to what I viewed as a disgusting sexually explicit performance, he wouldn’t have gotten the flack he got, & given ammunition to “homophobics” and or “haters.” I am not homophobic, I just don’t like his style whatsoever & there are many artists that fall into my “don’t like” category. It’s not about “fear of sex” nor is it being “homophobic” it’s common decency & knowing when to curb your tendendies. There is quite a difference between a “sexy” movie & a porn flick.

That kind of stinks they are allowed to sell used CDs so soon after an artist’s release. I wonder how many people burn the CD and then sell it used?

I used to buy and sell cds on Amazon before I switched to itunes downloads, and honestly, it’s such a small number of cds for sale, it can’t hurt overall sales. In fact I just looked at Amazon and there are 40 cds (new and used) of Kris’s cd for sale right now. That’s like no effect at all on 80,000 sales.

Now illegal downloading is another story, apparently. That could hurt a lot I would think.

In fact, I’ll guarantee you, if he [David Cook] has anything to say about it, the next album and singles will sound nothing like Come Back to Me, that’s for sure.

From your lips to god’s ears. So true, afaic.

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