Idol Headlines for 11/20/09

Adam Lambert kicks off rehearsals for American Music Awards

For about five minutes, this reporter was allowed to write notes from a cushy blue chair in the audience during Lambert’s rehearsal, watching as dancers sashayed across the floor in spangly harem pants, leotards with torn tights and in one particular eye-catching costume, leather pants topped off with a few leather suspender-straps and silvery chains on an otherwise bare-chested male dancer. A Lambert performance, we were reminded, is not a place for demure displays of postmodern dance. As for the panther himself, he took a few leisurely leaps to various levels of scaffolding, singing into a phantom mic and writhing with whatever dancer was around. On the top level of the scaffolding, a band of indeterminate numbers played keyboards, a flying V guitar and other gadgets, all of which collude to formulate the glam-rock pyramid that Lambert mightily prays to on a seemingly daily basis.

LA Times

Carrie Underwood’s gift hits write note with museum

MUSKOGEE ‘” Country music superstar Carrie Underwood has donated original sheet music of her song “I Ain’t in Checotah Anymore’  to the Oklahoma Music Hall of Fame and Museum.

The hall of fame unveiled the gift from the Checotah native Thursday evening at the hall of fame and museum, where officials also talked about plans for a multimillion-dollar expansion and statewide music trail.

Underwood, keyboardist Rocky Frisco and yodeler Ramona Reed were inducted into the Oklahoma Music Hall of Fame in September.

NewsOK.com

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Adam Lambert Gives ET a Sneak Peek at His AMA Performance

ET is with Adam Lambert as he gets ready for his big AMA performance!

Adam says his fans can expect “fireworks” when he takes the stage at the big event: “The dancers on stage are amazing, there’s a great band playing along, we have pyro, the fashion is off the hook ‘ ¦ It’s a really cool performance. I’m really proud of it.”

Watch the video for more of our interview with the “American Idol” runner-up! Then, catch the AMAs on Sunday, Nov. 22 at 8 p.m. on ABC.

ET

Jennifer Lopez, Adam Lambert ready for AMA stage

Lambert, 27, said he’s eager to see how the star-studded crowd responds to his provocative performance, a sexed-up rendition of “For Your Entertainment,” the first single off his upcoming album of the same name.

“I can’t wait to see people I look up to as artists in the audience watching. I think that will be a trip, and exciting and motivating all at the same time,” he said after his rehearsal. “It will be really interesting to see what kind of reaction the number gets. It’s different. It really does have an edge to it.”

The performance is heavy on leather and chains and includes Lambert dragging a shackled woman across the stage.

Associated Press

Review: Finally, a True `Idol’ Emerges in Lambert

This vocal chameleon can be all things to all listeners, and he kills at whatever he sings. Lambert is equally adept at hard rock, pop, disco, and power ballads, often blending ingredients of several in a single track to produce unforgettable results.

A perfect example is “Sure Fire Winners,” a hip-hop-infused track with scratches and weird sound effects, yet just enough heavy guitar and drums to appeal to the rockers, and a sing-along chorus to tie it all together.

ABC News

Album review: Adam Lambert’s ‘For Your Entertainment’

The ‘Idol’ runner-up goes for it all in his major label debut, with the help of the Hollywood pop A-list. The results are mixed, but never a bummer.

To point out Adam Lambert’s boutique addiction is to reinforce a gay stereotype, but Lambert himself enjoys playing around with preconceived notions, and that includes proudly showing that there’s depth and self-awareness beyond those stereotypes. Lambert’s other clear goal as a newly minted pop star is to celebrate all aspects of the word “play”: pleasure, performance, flirtation, virtuosity, masquerade. That’s what he does on this quickly assembled yet purposeful major label debut.

LA Times

Dear Adam Lambert I Do Not Want to Tickle You

“That’s a little creepy, Jim,” you said. “I think it’s a private fantasy of his. I’m unaware of it.”

If you need me, I’ll be crawling into a hole and dying.

Dude, I assure you I’m not a creep. I don’t have tickle fantasies.

In any case, I can’t wait to talk to you about your excellent new album next week. And I promise that you will realize as soon as you meet me again that I’m not a psycho, and that this whole tickle thing was a big, silly misunderstanding.

MTV

For your entertainment (and, sure, ours too), we caught up with Adam Lambert and Kris Allen at the Us Weekly Hot in Hollywood party at Voyeur nightclub last night. (The magazine honored both guys in its ‘Stars of the Year’  coverage’”Adam was named ‘Glam God of the Year’  and Kris ‘Victor of the Year.’ ) Tomorrow we’ll be posting our interview with the adorable and subdued Allen, but for now, check out our heart-to-heart with the delicious little space alien known as @adamlambert:

Idolator

Torrid, The Destination For Plus-Size Fashion, Partners With Allison Iraheta, American Idol Season 8 Contestant, To Host Nationwide Event

LOS ANGELES–(BUSINESS WIRE)– Torrid, the destination for fashion in sizes 12+, Jive Records and Allison Iraheta are excited to announce the release of Just Like You, Iraheta’s highly-anticipated debut album. To celebrate, Torrid stores nationwide will host listening parties where shoppers can preview and pre-order the album. The first 25 shoppers to arrive at the listening party will also receive a special goodie with their album purchase.

During her participation on the American Idol Live tour, Iraheta began writing and recording songs for the album with pop and rock hit makers such as Kevin Rudolf, Howard Benson, Max Martin, David Hodges, Kara DioGuardi and P!nk. Fellow American Idol alumni Chris Daughtry also contributed a track for the deluxe version of the album. In partnering with Allison Iraheta, Torrid is providing young women VIP access to on-trend fashion and music. Hope to see you there!

dbusinessnews.com

No Grinch will ruin Carrie Underwood’s Holiday

If only those Grinches disguised as tabloid gossips weren’t around to spill the eggnog. Underwood, during a Monday conference call to promote her special, took time to set the record straight when asked about the ending of the very entertaining CMAs last week.

“I just want to say that was really hurtful,” Underwood said of tabloid reports and Internet gossip that she was miffed with Swift’s runaway success that night and interrupted Paisley’s closing comments in order to turn the spotlight back on herself. “My brain would never operate that way at all. I have so much respect for every single person that is in that room. Whether they’re, I mean ’cause most of the people there are in the music industry. They are part of it. I would never dream of doing anything like that.”

Huffington Post

Kelly Clarkson brings shiny, happy, club-worthy hits to Seattle

Her new album is aptly titled “All I Ever Wanted,” and at the ripe old age of 27, Kelly Clarkson has achieved what just about every girl singing into her hairbrush might dream of.

Ask the “American-Idol”-winner-turned-superstar, and it’s likely she’d say she’s far from having it all. The humble gal-next-door is known for her sincerity, charm and modesty as much as her roof-shattering voice. And while it’s true that the shape-shifting star has plenty more avenues to explore in what will likely be a long and successful career, she is on top of the world right now.

Seattle Times

Review: Cook shows what idols are made of

A lot of the time David Cook could have been singing songs at his Peoria show Thursday night was spent waiting for the screaming to stop.

‘How we doing tonight?’  he’d ask the Civic Center theater crowd of about 1,500, and they’d erupt in a chorus of ear-splitting screams. He’d laugh impishly, then more screams. He didn’t even have to sing or thrash on his guitar; a sigh into the mic would bring on waves of high-pitched sound. The crowd remained on its feet for the Season 7 “American Idol” winner’s entire show.

‘Thank you so much for coming out tonight, I’m loving this crowd. But, where are the aisles?’  he asked, to the laughter of an audience used to scrambling over other concertgoers to get to a middle seat.

PJStar.com

No place like home for Archuleta

Nothing says Christmas like coming home. That’s where David Archuleta hopes he’ll be this year — where his heart is, in Murray, Utah.

“In this business, if you get a little time off here and there, many people will stay out where they are working and just relax,” said Archuleta, who is currently in Los Angeles. “But I say if I have time off, even if it is just a few days, I try to get home.

“I am not sure where I will be at Christmas. The tour schedule goes until right before Christmas, and the fact is, there isn’t really just one place I live right now. But I still call Utah home, and try to spend as much time as I can there.”

At the very least, Archuleta will make it home during Thanksgiving week. He plays two shows at Abravanel Hall, on Tuesday and Wednesday. He has played the venue before, once at an event for Sen, Orrin Hatch, and once, this past summer, for a pops concert.

Standard.net

Archuleta returns to Utah for holiday concerts

When David Archuleta performed in Utah for the first time after he finished second in the 2008 season of “American Idol,” the concert sold out.

When he performed in Utah this past March, the concert sold out.

So this November, tour organizers scheduled two concerts for Archuleta’s home state. The 18-year-old Murray pop singer will perform selections from his recently released “Christmas From the Heart.”

“To call Los Angeles home — I could never do that,” Archuleta said in a Tribune interview. “I like Utah too much.”

Archuleta is spending plenty of time in L.A. these days, writing songs for his second pop album, which his label hopes will be released in 2010. But Archuleta said that as much as he loves his fans to hear his music, he wants to make his sophomore effort count.

Salt Lake Tribune

‘Dreamgirl’ Sheryl Lee Ralph on Newcomer Syesha Mercado

The original “Dreamgirl” and Broadway veteran Sheryl Lee Ralph is sharing her thoughts on former “American Idol” contestant Syesha Mercado, who plays Deena Jones in the revival of the stage production.

“Either way, I’m looking forward to seeing Mercado as the latest reincarnation of Deena Jones in yet another United States national tour of Dreamgirls, starting at the world famous Apollo. We’re both Capricorns with Connecticut roots. We both love Whitney Houston and Lauryn Hill ‘ ¦and now we share Deena Jones. ‘Wonderful, what can I say but wonderful.'”

ETOnline

Holiday happenings

The stars of the small screen will shine brightly at the Paramount Theatre in Aurora this December.

“American Stars In Concert for the Holidays” on Dec. 19 features four “American Idol” Top 10 contestants from the first eight seasons, including hometown girl Gina Glocksen of Naperville.

Their final number will feature a combined choir from Marmion Academy and Rosary High School.

“With the ‘American Idol’ show, we’re having some fun and experiencing traditional Christmas carols in a whole new way with rock and dancing,” said Melissa Mercado, marketing manager with the Paramount. “Anyone who loves that TV show is really going to like this show.”

Suburban Chicago News

Glee Star Amber Riley: Cast Romances “Would Be Like Incest”

Glee star Mark Salling may have gotten cozy with Audrina Patridge at Thursday’s Us Weekly Hot Hollywood party at L.A.’s Voyeur — but if the rest of Glee’s cast are getting romantic, it’s not with each other.

Amber Riley, who plays Mercedes on Fox’s musical hit, insisted to Usmagazine.com that castmates Lea Michele and Cory Monteith are not an item — despite flirtatious chemistry on the show and off-set rumors.

US Magazine

Yay Glee!: The Cast Interview

Perhaps not since American Idol or the invention of Guitar Hero and Rock Band has there been a mainstream pop-cultural force that so readily introduces music of the past to the young generation as does Fox’s Glee. Whether it’s old-skool hip-hop hits like Young MC’s “Bust A Move” and Salt N Pepa’s “Push It”; classic rock cuts like Queen’s “Somebody To Love,” Heart’s “Alone,” and REO Speedwagon’s “Can’t Fight This Feeling”; the entire Madonna catalog (an all-Madge Glee episode is thrillingly in the works); or even Neil Diamond’s “Sweet Caroline,” the irresistible glee-club singalongs on this groundbreaking program are creating a whole new curriculum of Music Appreciation across the nation.

Yahoo Music

X Factor star Danyl Johnson wins row with Simon Cowell over song

Simon Cowell last night caved in to Danyl Johnson and changed his song for this week’s show.

The stroppy drama teacher had a hissy fit and stormed out of rehearsals when asked to sing George Michael’s Praying for Time.

But after crisis talks Cowell agreed he could perform the star’s classic hit Careless Whisper.

And the X Factor judge brushed off their row as a ‘storm in a teacup’  blaming 27-year-old Danyl’s meltdown on the pressure of competing for the top prize. He said: ‘The frustration got to him and he boiled over but when we talked it through he was as good as gold.

Mirror.co.uk

Susan Boyle, “I Dreamed a Dream” (Columbia) [1.5 STARS out of 4]

Arranged for maximum orchestral bombast and drenched in schmaltz, the material clearly was chosen for the broadest marketing appeal. There are Baby Boomer-friendly pop songs (“Wild Horses,” “Daydream Believer,” “The End of the World”), traditional hymns (“Amazing Grace,” “How Great Thou Art”), the tunes she sang on television and even, in consideration of the season, a closing version of “Silent Night.”

None of these can fairly be considered the definitive reading of the song, as artful as the work of a Charlotte Church, or even anything beyond the capabilities of a thousand gifted mezzo-sopranos regularly appearing in musicals staged by community theaters around the world. The difference is that Boyle, for better or worse, is in the midst of Andy Warhol’s fabled 15 minutes of fame.

Chicago Sun Times

X Factor’s Danyl Johnson brought to heel by Simon Cowell after threatening to quit show

He has been his staunchest defender throughout the X Factor.

But now even Simon Cowell has lost patience with Danyl Johnson over his arrogant and smug attitude.

Cowell felt forced to have a one-on-one meeting with Johnson after he threw a tantrum over his choice of song for this weekend – and continued causing tension in the X Factor house.

Johnson’s latest outburst saw him threatening to quit the show, but he was quickly brought to heel by some choice words from his mentor.

Cowell reminded the 27-year-old that he cannot expect any special treatment and will be judged on the same basis as all other contestants.
Simon Cowell

Tensions are running high between the singer and his very powerful mentor

Johnson, a bisexual drama teacher from Kent, left rehearsals for the ITV talent show after demanding that his song for this week’s programme had to be changed.

The theme for the show is 1980s band Wham!

Daily Mail.co.uk

  • lucy

    A little Elliott news: He’s booking a tour for January-February — northeast to midwest to west coast to southwest to southeast — he told us on the fanboard the other night. Seems to be kicking off at the Birchmere in DC on Jan. 2 (a Jan. 1 date at the Highline Ballroom in NYC has been canceled, for some reason … )

    He’s also going to be cutting a live, acoustic EP soon, “INCLUDING B-SIDES, AND MAYBE A NEW SONG OR TWO.” (Boy’s shift key has been stuck for years now.) Anyway, he says that he hopes to have that ready by early 2010. … and I’m psyched because I *love* live, acoustic Elliott and have been wanting one of these for years!

    In other upcoming Elliott action, he’ll be playing his first South American gig at a music festival in Chile in February, and in March he’ll be heading back to Angola to do charity work for the orphanage he visited a couple of years ago and an anti-malaria initiative, this time backed by Exxon Mobil cash.

    I am *so* ready for the live acoustic album

  • Kirsten

    Johnson’s latest outburst saw him threatening to quit the show, but he was quickly brought to heel by some choice words from his mentor.

    Something like “I will grind you up like a bug beneath the heal of my boot before I let you leave this show, you ingrateful little would-be-nowhere-if-it-wasn’t-for-me weasel”.

    The theme for the show is 1980s band Wham!

    OMG! Are they purposely trying to make this show look ridiculous? Has anybody ever sung “Wham!” on AI and not immediately been given the boot? I seem to recall that the kid with no shoes and Luke both tried and failed epicly. I can kind of see why the guy is b!tching. Who dreams up these themes?

  • Shev66

    OMG! Are they purposely trying to make this show look ridiculous? Has anybody ever sung ‘Wham!’  on AI and not immediately been given the boot? I seem to recall that the kid with no shoes and Luke both tried and failed epicly. I can kind of see why the guy is b!tching. Who dreams up these themes?

    Its Simon himself I believe !!!

  • lucy

    OMG! Are they purposely trying to make this show look ridiculous? Has anybody ever sung ‘Wham!’  on AI and not immediately been given the boot? I seem to recall that the kid with no shoes and Luke both tried and failed epicly. I can kind of see why the guy is b!tching. Who dreams up these themes?

    lol

    Sometimes when I watch Simon apparently zoning out during an Idol performance, I do think that his theme song should be Wake Me Up Before You Go-Go.

  • Squirrely

    I bet Jedward do the Wham Rap

    ETA: So sad I still know the words to it.

  • frogcooke

    I like what Archie had to say on his songwriting experiences on the standard.net article..

    “For me, I am just beginning to write, but it is so much fun — I love it,” Archuleta said, “As a singer, it is your job to get the message across for the songwriter. But as a songwriter, you are able to tell your own story.

    “Sometimes it is like journal writing, but out in the open. Some things I am like, ‘I can’t wait to share this.’ Other things are like, ‘Wow. Yikes! I am not sure I can share this with people.’ ”

    -snip
    “I had to get where I was not afraid to look dumb,” he said, “That is the biggest thing, not thinking, ‘I don’t want to throw that out there, because someone else might think it is just dumb.’ You have to get over that. It’s been a great thing for me personally.”

  • sidney p

    Wait I know the answer– make him/her sing a Wham song
    Alex Trebeck the question-How to get rid of a certain contestant?

    Lucy is there any specific dates/where for the Elliott Y tour?

  • https://twitter.com/pmhowden undercooked

    I know the dbusiness article didn’t say Allison was a plus size, but that was my first impression when I read the headline. It’s good we have girls like Allison and Jordon out there that look hot even though they aren’t a size one. Allison looks great. She’s fit and healthy and slender, so although I don’t see her as a plus size, but she’s certainly not a waif. I hope she stays the way she is.

  • RocktheFort

    LOL at the Susan Boyle review – they wouldn’t give advance copies of the CD to the media for review, but it leaked anyway. Why? Because the CD is totally mediocre at best. The only thing we keep hearing about her is OMG she’s sold the most preorders on Amazon ever! And yet I keep reading that Amazon means very little in the total of all record sales. I still say she’s not going to sell that much next week. I just don’t think there’s going to be that many people in this country willing to spend $10 or $12 because they feel sorry for her or are moved by her “rags to riches” story. If I’m wrong, I’m wrong but I just don’t see it.

  • wellhesback

    “Review: Finally, a True `Idol’ Emerges in Lambert” – What a Ridiculous headline. I know it’s just a headline but – read that wonderful review of David Cook’s show in Peoria. or look at any of his concert vids.

    You may like Lambert, but he is NOT the first or necesssarily the best talent to emerge from AI

  • jpfan

    Thanks for the Elliott news, Lucy. I hope early 2010 means in January though. I’m really ready for some new Elliott music. January 1 seemed like an odd date for a gig though. Hopefully, they’ll reschedule.

    Elliott needs to be out there 24/7 though. This is a tough biz and I think you need a relentless Type A personality to do well. But a tour is a good place to start. I wish he’d do a small Xmas tour as well. His Christmas music is really good. Please Elliott, I’ll settle for the dinkiest cable show out there. But find a way to get your Xmas music played on TV this season.

    That “True Idol” headline ain’t going to help. I can just hear the Kelly, Carrie, Daughtry, Cook etc. fans grinding their teeth.

  • lucy

    Lucy is there any specific dates/where for the Elliott Y tour?

    So far Jan. 2 in DC (Birchmere) seems to be all that’s been scheduled (which is driving me crazy because I’m not going to be in DC that day, dang it…) … Additional dates are coming soon, he says. Hope so!

  • Sassycatz

    Its Simon himself I believe !!!

    Maybe for American Idol, he could have our contestants sing “The Best of the Bay City Rollers!”

    So far Jan. 2 in DC (Birchmere) seems to be all that’s been scheduled (which is driving me crazy because I’m not going to be in DC that day, dang it’ ¦)

    Neither is the Birchmere.

  • lucy

    ‘I had to get where I was not afraid to look dumb,’  he said, ‘That is the biggest thing, not thinking, ‘I don’t want to throw that out there, because someone else might think it is just dumb.’ You have to get over that. It’s been a great thing for me personally.’ 

    Archie is adorable. And learning.

  • Mary102

    ‘Review: Finally, a True `Idol’ Emerges in Lambert’  ‘“ What a Ridiculous headline. I know it’s just a headline but ‘“ read that wonderful review of David Cook’s show in Peoria. or look at any of his concert vids.

    You may like Lambert, but he is NOT the first or necesssarily the best talent to emerge from AI

    Well, it’s a review for a reason, not stated fact. Everyone can have their opinions, and some think Adam is the most talented person to come out of idol. Others think it’s Kelly, Carrie, etc. As it goes, ymmv.

    So next week is crazy music week on all the morning talk shows. I heard SuBo and Bon Jovi are on the Today Show (they said the day before Thanksgiving is one of the most popular all year for the morning show music performances – suddenly Adam’s performance date doesn’t seem so bad!) And GMA has Rihanna and Adam (different dates, alas ;-) ). Awesome.

  • arigitha

    i love adam lambert.. hope the CD will release in Indonesia the same time in US

  • Sassycatz

    ‘Review: Finally, a True `Idol’ Emerges in Lambert’  ‘“ What a Ridiculous headline.

    I skip over all the articles about him because they’re so over the top.

  • lucy

    Elliott needs to be out there 24/7 though. This is a tough biz and I think you need a relentless Type A personality to do well. But a tour is a good place to start. I wish he’d do a small Xmas tour as well. His Christmas music is really good.

    Amen on the Christmas music tour or tv show. That would be *great.* I love his Christmas album. Radio is playing it a bit this season already, although most of the stations seem fixated on This Christmas — and I want them to play Merry Christmas, Baby, Warm Me Up, Let Be Naughty, Christmas Without Carol, etc. Well, some of those are getting a *bit* of play. But the problem with This Christmas is that I suspect a lot of people will think they’re hearing Donny Hathaway’s version!

    Anyway, I get the impression that this year he and the band are going to be spending December putting together the new EP — and of course I want that, too!

  • lucy

    So far Jan. 2 in DC (Birchmere) seems to be all that’s been scheduled (which is driving me crazy because I’m not going to be in DC that day, dang it’ ¦)

    Neither is the Birchmere.

    I’m not going to be in Northern Virginia, either …. You mean I’m the only one who uses “DC” to mean “the DC area”? … Maybe I do that because I actually live *in* DC, lol.

  • tierbee

    You mean I’m the only one who uses ‘DC’  to mean ‘the DC area’ ?

    Nah, I do it too :) . I live in Northern VA, though. Maybe it is because I loathe Northern VA and want to get the hell out of here, lol.

  • anovich

    You may like Lambert, but he is NOT the first or necesssarily the best talent to emerge from AI

    To me this reviewer seems to be implying it’s because he didn’t win is season and he thought he should. It’s not a positive looking headline when you look at the success Kelly, Carrie, Daughtry and Cook have had (not to mention Jennifer Hudson).

  • Squirrely

    I’ve read some deservantly so high praise David C, Carrie, Kelly etc articles and it cracks me up that panties don’t get in a bunch about those. *shrugs*

    Adam is a hot topic – by this time next year XYZ will be the hot topic and the David C fans will have competition with the Adam Lambert fans over the headline thread.

  • jpfan

    My favorite Elliott Xmas song.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E-I9FAGRbIM

    Please just do this one time somewhere live, Elliott.

  • mmb

    Nah, I do it too . I live in Northern VA, though

    I lived in Northern VA right out of college and always referred to it as DC (still do)

  • Sassycatz

    I’m not going to be in Northern Virginia, either ‘ ¦. You mean I’m the only one who uses ‘DC’  to mean ‘the DC area’ ? ‘ ¦ Maybe I do that because I actually live *in* DC, lol.

    So do I.

    ETA: DC doesn’t have a vote in the House or two Senators and we are very politically different from the Commonwealth, so I don’t feel connected to Virginia (or Maryland for that matter) although Northern Virginia is the metro area.

  • RocktheFort

    ‘Review: Finally, a True `Idol’ Emerges in Lambert’  ‘“ What a Ridiculous headline.

    Last year, Daughtry fans would get annoyed whenever an article referred to David Cook as the first “real” rocker to come out of AI, so this kind of thing happens every year. And right after Daughtry came off the show the same articles were written about him, and Bo fans got irritated.

  • tierbee

    I lived in Northern VA right out of college and always referred to it as DC (still do)

    It’s easier that way – when someone asks “Where do you live” and you say Alexandria, Fairfax, whatever they have no idea where that is. So then you have to say “It’s just south of DC.” So I just say DC and save all the trouble. Hee!

    Now, I think I might have to go see Elliott at Birchmere… loved him since his Idol season and have never seen him live!

  • girlygirl

    I’m a big fan of Adam’s, but he isn’t the first “true Idol” by any stretch of the imagination. Someone should inform the headline writer that Kelly and Carrie both have had multiple Top 10 hits and won grammys, for example. Until Adam starts winning awards or sells as many albums as these people have, this headline is undeserved. If they had called him the most unique or the most exciting, that would be a much more apt description.

  • gangreen29

    Danyl sounds like a real jerk. It would have been interesting if on Idol the judges had made the song choices. I think we would have seen frequent temper tantrums. Of course, by interesting I mean a disaster.

  • wellhesback

    a review of David Cook’s Hammond show, which I don’t think has been posted:

    http://nwitimes.com/entertainment/music/article_dff5d62d-1aa5-57f2-b476-ba5b257c6ee9.html

  • http://www.planetfierce.proboards.com rowenaaine

    Erm, this may not be a popular suggestion (seems I preface a lot of my posts these days like that, LOL!) but perhaps the headline:

    ‘Review: Finally, a True `Idol’ Emerges in Lambert’ 

    alludes to some peoples’ opinions that Adam is the new Elvis or MJ or ____ fill-in-the-blank. I didn’t take it to mean “American Idol” but “Idol” as someone that may be worshipped like a ‘teen idol’ or ‘rock star.’ So, a play on words, if you will. I’m not saying *I* believe Adam is the second-coming (though it would be awesome if that kind of success does happen), but suggesting that may be the gist of what the writer was going for?

    ETA: after all, the subhead says “could be show’s biggest winner ever.” That says more about the writer’s perception of Adam’s *potential* than anything.

  • gangreen29

    I’ve read some deservantly so high praise David C, Carrie, Kelly etc articles and it cracks me up that panties don’t get in a bunch about those. *shrugs*

    I don’t follow David very closely, but Kelly and Carrie didn’t get effusive praise until they proved themselves to be successful outside of Idol. I know people were furious when Simon said Carrie’s first album would sell more than any of the other albums combined. Saying Adam might be the best selling AI of all time when he certainly hasn’t been burning up the charts yet is a bit insane.

  • PattyH

    I couldn’t agree more with the Sun Times review of Susan Boyle. The guy really go it right. But, I guess I’m not her target audience.

  • LaurelG

    And yet I keep reading that Amazon means very little in the total of all record sales. I still say she’s not going to sell that much next week.

    I’m curious how many albums she moved on QVC. I think she could rack up some real numbers there.

    And Susan should take that 1 1/2 stars and run with it. It’s the same grade given to Norah Jones’s new album and John Mayer only got 1/2 star out of 4!

  • fadetowhite

    I didn’t take it to mean ‘American Idol’  but ‘Idol’  as someone that may be worshipped like a ‘teen idol’ or ‘rock star.’ I’m not saying *I* believe Adam is the second-coming (though it would be awesome if that kind of success does happen), but suggesting that may be the gist of what the writer was going for?

    If he hadn’t appeared on American Idol, then yeah – but in this case the connection is too obvious not to be deliberate: the writer would have to be an idiot.

    It’s a huge diss to everyone who has come off the show and done well – especially the muti million sellings grammy winners amongst them.

    But the whole media crapfest over Lambert has grown to such absurd proportions, that it just makes me roll my eyes.

    I’m sure he’ll do great and I’m pleased for him and his fans: I just wish the media didn’t feel the need to dismiss others in order to slaver all over him.

    But as wiser heads have said, it happens every year – and pisses people off every year. And then everyone just moves on.

  • lucy

    Now, I think I might have to go see Elliott at Birchmere’ ¦ loved him since his Idol season and have never seen him live!

    He’s developed into a truly wonderful live singer and performer. One of the tightest performing bands I’ve seen in recent years, too. He’s well worth seeing.

  • Hazehel

    LOL at the Susan Boyle review ‘“ they wouldn’t give advance copies of the CD to the media for review, but it leaked anyway.

    You can listen to the songs on YouTube if anyone is interested, if those songs don’t deleted that is. Here she is butchering Skeeter Davis’ The End of the World, a song I really like –
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mELbVhOosKQ

    I just noticed that Carrie Underwood is close to overtaking Kelly Clarkson in the total number of albums sold (in the US that is, worldwide Kelly still rules). She may do it next week if she can reach the upper estimate from HDD –
    Carrie Underwood (19/Arista Nashville) 90-100k

  • brie200

    I’m not sure if it’s been mentioned yet, though I haven’t seen it, but it looks like Jason Castro will be on tour with Matt Hires (also Atlantic Records) from January through March. No official annoucement or tour dates as yet, but a few have popped up on the ticket sites already and Matt Hires confirmed it on Twitter. Seems like a good match up.

  • http://www.irish-wolfhounds.com Buderschnookie

    I just don’t think there’s going to be that many people in this country willing to spend $10 or $12 because they feel sorry for her or are moved by her ‘rags to riches’  story. If I’m wrong, I’m wrong but I just don’t see it.

    True, but it’s an easy grab, easy carry, low shipping, inoffensive, perfect price point no brainer Christmas gift for aunts, mothers, grandmothers, teachers, etc.

  • fadetowhite

    Try reading the comments after that Susan Boyle review: they’re almost as affronted as the ones I read after the sole brave mediocre review I read of Lambert’s album (a review I agree with).

    Now – to be fair – you get that crap every time some poor media soul has the misfortune to write something less than flattering about any Idol: though some fan groups are certainly ruder and more insulting to the writer than others.

    But it does go to show that the woman does have genuine fans. Yes, really.

    Do I understand it? No.

    But then, I don’t understand all the hoopla about Lambert either, beyond the fact that he can, as he puts it, sing his ‘ fucking face off’.

  • http://www.planetfierce.proboards.com rowenaaine

    fadetowhite
    11/20/2009 at 10:47 am
    If he hadn’t appeared on American Idol, then yeah ‘“ but in this case the connection is too obvious not to be deliberate: the writer would have to be an idiot.

    Oh, I’m saying it was *quite* deliberate – but he used ‘Idol’ to have more than one meaning – hence my comment “play on words.” It was meant to grab the reader and (hopefully) make them think. Yes, it will rile up fans of other American Idol contestants, but I think it was meant to do more than reach Idol fans.

  • http://wwpv.smcvt.edu VAidolFan09

    ‘Review: Finally, a True `Idol’ Emerges in Lambert’  ‘“ What a Ridiculous headline. I know it’s just a headline but ‘“ read that wonderful review of David Cook’s show in Peoria. or look at any of his concert vids.

    You may like Lambert, but he is NOT the first or necesssarily the best talent to emerge from AI

    That’s purely a matter of opinion by the author and a matter of opinion by yourself. As much as you may like Cook, lot’s of others prefer Adam. First talent? Certainly not. Best, well that’s just a matter of opinion. They are all good in their own different ways. I’m not a Cook fan, never have been but I would never say he didn’t have talent.

  • BeckyMD

    Adam is a hot topic ‘“ by this time next year XYZ will be the hot topic and the David C fans will have competition with the Adam Lambert fans over the headline thread.

    Only if Adam can have as many headlines. He may well fade into indie or back to Broadway.

  • fadetowhite

    True, but it’s an easy grab, easy carry, low shipping, inoffensive, perfect price point no brainer Christmas gift for aunts, mothers, grandmothers, teachers, etc.

    Jeez – so now teachers have to be grouped into the stereotypical Boyle listener too!

    If any of the kids in my class give me that for Christmas, they’re getting low marks for the rest of the year!

  • fadetowhite

    Rowennaine – yeah he could well have intended a double meaning, but he had to be playing on AI and thereby dissing certainly Clarkson, Underwood and Daughtry, let alone anyone else.

  • Sassycatz

    I thought Kelly was a “true Idol.” If not for her success, I don’t think this franchise would have been as successful either or been taken as seriously — give or take some music snobs — as it is now.

    Every other Idol stands on her shoulders.

  • saga

    Here she is butchering Skeeter Davis’ The End of the World, a song I really like ‘“
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mELbVhOosKQ

    This is terrible…

  • DLee

    I’m a teacher too….no way in hell I want SuBo for Christmas!!!!!!!!

  • CathyMK

    True, but it’s an easy grab, easy carry, low shipping, inoffensive, perfect price point no brainer Christmas gift for aunts, mothers, grandmothers, teachers, etc.

    And most of those women will immediately either toss it on a shelf to gather dust or toss it in the trash. I can’t think of any woman in my family, of any age, who’d want Sue Bo’s album, not even my 70+ year old mother. She wants Kris’ and maybe Adam’s albums, and wanted David Cook’s last year. Older women do not necessarily want that stuff! My mom is from the Elvis generation, for goodness sakes!

  • suebrody

    Adam thinks Kelly is a true Idol, too. When talking about whom he would most like to see at the AMAs prior to his performance, he mentioned notables like GaGa (or course), Whitney, Janet, Rhianna (the women only have one name, lol), and THE IDOLS (Daughtry, Carrie, and Kelly, and he emphasized Kelly).

    Adam, who can indeed sing his face off, may well not be the top-selling Idol (and probably won’t be–too polarizing), but he sure as hell ain’t fading into obscurity, as much as some people hope. BTW, FYE is the #1 ringtone on iTunes. That just made me smile.

    God, I hope SuBo goes away and soon. 1 1/2 stars for her album. HEH.

  • LoveContinuum

    On a slow news day, I’ll read the Cook articles… but I usually stick to Adam. Sometimes Kris too. I avoid the articles where they compare Adam and Kris. That got very tired, very quickly.

    I am interested in why people get upset about the media coverage Adam gets. What agenda do you suppose they’re selling? 1) Maybe they — like many Americans — think he is the best singer to come out of Idol, i.e. they’re reflecting common sentiment, or b) They’re using Adam to sell more papers/advertising/whatever. If the latter is true… it means the same thing. Adam sells, because many people think he’s an awesome artist. Surely, if they were reviewing him negatively, it would be because 1) he sucks and people agree with that, or 2) he doesn’t sell magazines/press because people don’t like him.

    My point is, what they’re writing has to reflect the public’s opinion, or otherwise they wouldn’t write it. They can see how when he’s on a cover, it sells out. How many clicks Adam stories get. The media SELLS its product, just like every other business in America. And they do that based on what their audience wants.

    Re: The “best Idol” headline… Yes, Carrie, Daughtry etc have had huge success. I guess we’ll have to wait and see whether Adam becomes bigger. I personally think he will, and so does the person who wrote that article, but ymmv.

    Su-Bo: Her audition made me all warm-n-fuzzy (except for the part where she gyrated her hips, ew). But imo, her music is *snore*…

  • hfa

    I’m a teacher too’ ¦.no way in hell I want SuBo for Christmas!!!!!!!

    If any of the kids in my class give me that for Christmas, they’re getting low marks for the rest of the year!

    Hey teachers, are you guys on conference period or something to be able to comment on this site during the day? :)

  • fadetowhite

    hfa

    I live in the UK!

    But as it happens, I was off work today.

  • DLee

    Hey teachers, are you guys on conference period or something to be able to comment on this site during the day?

    I’m a part-time drama teacher.

  • wellhesback

    To clarify – I think Lambert has a lot of talent, tho his voice & performing style do not appeal to me. I wish him lots of success, even I personally won’t be spending time or money on him.

    However, I do not think he is ‘the first true idol’ to appear from this show. that’s all.

  • Sassycatz

    b) They’re using Adam to sell more papers/advertising/whatever. If the latter is true’ ¦ it means the same thing. Adam sells, because many people think he’s an awesome artist. Surely, if they were reviewing him negatively, it would be because 1) he sucks and people agree with that, or 2) he doesn’t sell magazines/press because people don’t like him.

    But, you have to admit. People get press for many reasons.

  • hfa

    hfa

    I live in the UK!

    But as it happens, I was off work today.

    Oh great, I am a substitute teacher, but I am taking a day off today (turned down two easy jobs). So I can do some work around the house. And of course catch up with Adam’s news.

  • Mary102

    Until Adam starts winning awards or sells as many albums as these people have, this headline is undeserved.

    The headline didn’t strike me badly at all. Sure, I’m an Adam fan, but a review is an opinion, so I’m not getting the big deal about it. Simon said a similar thing about Adam months before, tour reviews said similar things. It’s not like writing it in the headline suddenly makes it gospel. Some people will think he’s the best, others won’t. IDK.

  • fadetowhite

    My point is, what they’re writing has to reflect the public’s opinion, or otherwise they wouldn’t write it

    Sometimes.

    Sometimes the media act like a herd and copy each other’s opinions to the point where the uniformity becomes second nature: acting without thought.

    If it were based on popular opinion, then beyond the sales of certain magazines, where did the basis for all of this come from? Because the huge media hype started way before album presales could be influencing things. It started before the end of AI8. Sales after AI were reasonable but not outstanding. He didn’t actually win the programme.

    Magazines selling out was clearly to a rabid AI fan base.

    As I’ve said before, it is perfectly possible, if not probable, to me, that Lambert will become the most successful AI graduate yet and when and if that’s the case, I will absolutely understand headlines such as the one above.

    But at the moment, it’s premature.

    The positive album reviews? If that’s how people feel, that’s how they feel. There is definitely a huge feeling of hyperbole to them, to me. Beacuse the album is good for its genre, but it’s not better than good (unless of course you’re a huge fan, because any album for anyone who’s a huge fan of anyone is absolutely brilliant).

  • hfa

    Sorry my post didn’t turn out right and couldn’t edit. The bottom paragraph of my post was me (I wasn’t quoting anybody).

  • jpfan

    HDD updated predictions:

    * John Mayer (Columbia) 290-315k
    Andrea Bocelli (Decca) 190-200k
    * Norah Jones (Blue Note) 150-160k
    * 50 Cent (Aftermath/Interscope) 140-150k
    * Casting Crowns (Provident/Reunion) 140-150k
    * Justin Bieber (Island/IDJ) 110-120k
    Michael Jackson’s This Is It (Epic) 95-105k
    Carrie Underwood (19/Arista Nashville) 90-100k
    * Kris Allen (19/RCA/RMG) 85-90k
    Taylor Swift Fearless (Big Machine) 85-90k
    Twilight Saga: New Moon (Chop Shop/Atlantic) 75-80k
    * Them Crooked Vultures (Interscope) 70-75k
    * Denotes debut

    Andrea Bocelli is having a great Christmas season. And Taylor Swift is heading for five million sales of her album. She’s selling 90K off an album that’s been out for over a year already. Yikes.

  • tierbee

    True, but it’s an easy grab, easy carry, low shipping, inoffensive, perfect price point no brainer Christmas gift for aunts, mothers, grandmothers, teachers, etc.

    Heh, don’t send SuBo to this mom. I might be a stay at home mom (well, who proofreads as a night job) but as varied as musical tastes are… SuBo isn’t something I’m interested in :) I can often be seen driving around in my minivan blasting hip hop so you can’t put me in a box, ha!

  • Sassycatz

    * Denotes debut

    I actually thought this was a new group.

  • sr4mjc

    eww..That SuBo song is so bad. I don’t get it either.

  • Mila

    Beacuse the album is good for its genre, but it’s not better than good (unless of course you’re a huge fan, because any album for anyone who’s a huge fan of anyone is absolutely brilliant).

    You have to be a fan to find an album more than good? I was not a muse fan last year but I found their alum better than good.

    And isnt only your opinion FYE being not better than good? Why others have to think the same? Even who are not fans? And why fans have to find any album brilliant? I love muse now, and am a fan, but only like, dont love, the resistance. I loved Bo to death but hated his album. So I dont get it.

    And I dont get this “its good for its genre”. Do you think its genre is worse than other genres? What does it mean? Reminds me of the “Kris and Adam are equally talented, in their own right”. For me they are not equally talented. But thats only my opinion!

  • hfa

    I’m a part-time drama teacher.

    Cool!

    About those reviews: It is just somebody’s opinions! If I am interested in reading about somebody, then I would read it, if not, then not going to bother.

  • gangreen29

    Carrie Underwood (19/Arista Nashville) 90-100k

    Yay, I knew Carrie would go gold before thanksgiving!! Now lets shoot for platinum before the New Year (yeah, that probably won’t happen but one can hope!)

  • Mary102

    As I’ve said before, it is perfectly possible, if not probable, to me, that Lambert will become the most successful AI graduate yet and when and if that’s the case, I will absolutely understand headlines such as the one above.

    But at the moment, it’s premature.

    I personally don’t necessarily expect him to be the biggest out of idol – as someone above said, he may be far too polarizing to ever achieve that (Daughtry, Kelly and Carrie, in comparison, are, not only very talented, but much more “pop” friendly, for lack of a better phrase). Though I certainly hope he will do very very well in the future.

    The positive album reviews? If that’s how people feel, that’s how they feel. There is definitely a huge feeling of hyperbole to them, to me. Beacuse the album is good for its genre, but it’s not better than good

    For an AI album, I’m of the opinion that it is very strong indeed, considering how much more eclectic, inventive, and much more “Adam” it was than I truly expected it to be. So, who knows? By that standard, maybe some of the praise is worthy. Again, it’s an opinion, just as the tour reviews were. You never know how the reviewers are basing these reviews, against what standard. To them, Adam’s album may have been much better than what they expected from a debut AI album – hence the effusive praise.

  • LoveContinuum

    People get press for many reasons.

    You might have a point.

    Take Sarah Palin. This is NOT intended to spark a political debate, you may not agree with me, but it’s the only example I can think of. If anyone has a better/less controversial example, feel free to use that person for the purposes of this discussion.

    I click on Palin articles because I think she’s er… not very smart. I find her remarks extremely entertaining because IMO, she can’t put a full sentence together and when she does, what she says is ludicrous. Plus, her comments do not reflect my values at all.

    Now others may click on her name because they support her, and agree with her values. (And that’s fine.)

    But most political polls reflect that she has a *relatively* small fanbase within the conservative party. And *most* liberals don’t like her. So we can surmise that she gets lots of clicks because more than 50% of people don’t like her. (If she wasn’t getting a lot of clicks, she wouldn’t be getting so much media coverage, as per the logic in my post above.)

    Maybe the same principle applies to Adam? We can’t really know.

  • RocktheFort

    And Taylor Swift is heading for five million sales of her album. She’s selling 90K off an album that’s been out for over a year already. Yikes.

    I can see why when her songs are played ALL the time on country, pop, Hot AC and AC stations all over the country. The only way to escape her is to listen to rock or R&B, lol. And they keep releasing more singles even after a year.

  • http://www.planetfierce.proboards.com rowenaaine

    tierbee
    11/20/2009 at 11:27 am
    Heh, don’t send SuBo to this mom. I might be a stay at home mom (well, who proofreads as a night job) but as varied as musical tastes are’ ¦ SuBo isn’t something I’m interested in I can often be seen driving around in my minivan blasting hip hop so you can’t put me in a box, ha!

    No one puts tierbee in a corner!

    (couldn’t resist…ducking and running)

  • http://www.irish-wolfhounds.com Buderschnookie

    I can’t think of any woman in my family, of any age, who’d want Sue Bo’s album, not even my 70+ year old mother. She wants Kris’ and maybe Adam’s albums, and wanted David Cook’s last year. Older women do not necessarily want that stuff! My mom is from the Elvis generation, for goodness sakes!

    True…. I’m of the Elvis generation myself, but that was not my point.
    I never said they wanted it.

    Most young people don’t get that older people often have younger taste in music- they see grandmother and think old fart. My point was that regardless of whether the recipient is interested in it or not it will be a very frequently given gift.

  • Mary102

    Take Sarah Palin.

    A good example of how controversy sells. As you point out, she is extremely popular in the media, because, you’ll either click on her articles to get a good laugh or mock her, or because you love her and think she’s a great role model (maybe not much in between). Either way, the media loves to use her to get those hits.

  • saga

    HDD updated predictions:

    Judging from these sales, opening with 150K is really decent. Anything over 200K is very good and over 300K is very, very good? Or is this a weak week?

  • http://www.planetfierce.proboards.com rowenaaine

    suebrody
    11/20/2009 at 11:08 am
    BTW, FYE is the #1 ringtone on iTunes. That just made me smile.

    OMG, are you serious? That’s awesome! I would not have expected THAT in a million years.

    God, I hope SuBo goes away and soon. 1 1/2 stars for her album. HEH.

    I was really surprised to read that review. I feel like she is being exploited rather than promoted. Too bad. I’m sure she’s a nice lady. But her singing is only meh – I much prefer Sarah Brightman in that genre.

  • gangreen29

    Judging from these sales, opening with 150K is really decent. Anything over 200K is very good and over 300K is very, very good? Or is this a weak week?

    I think this is accurate. Carrie opened with 320,000, and she was the highest opening female of the year, and the second highest country act behind rascal flatts 360,000

  • alaadam

    Jpfan When were these HDD predictions updated? I thought they generally go up on Friday? Kris’s stayed the same.

  • RowZee824

    I’m 51 and a mom and I like all kinds of music but am not interested in getting SueBo’s CD so do not like being grouped in that category. I enjoyed her story and the “surprise” effect she had on everyone but that’s about it. I wish her success as well.

    As to best Idol ever, think we need to wait and see on that.

    To me it’s just not “best” or “worst” for any singer, musician, performer, etc. The key for me is that they are doing something they like, are happy doing it and living a comfortable life.

  • BeckyMD

    Adam will have two radio interviews after AMA. Does that mean they finally start the radio promo? Which song, FYE or WWFM, do you think they will push?

  • mmb

    Adam will have two radio interviews after AMA

    I’m sure he’s gonna have more than that…like I said above, i bet they have him scheduled to do a bunch of radio and press interviews on 11/24 (he’ll do the non-ny area radio interviews by telephone)

  • BeckyMD

    alreference Adam Lambert will attend the LA premiere of Paramount Pictures’ ‘UP IN THE AIR’ on Monday, November 30: http://bit.ly/4lsTbM
    12 minutes ago from web

    huh

  • jpfan

    The HDD numbers are from today. That’s their Friday prediction.

  • unique28v

    HDD updated predictions:

    * John Mayer (Columbia) 290-315k
    Andrea Bocelli (Decca) 190-200k
    * Norah Jones (Blue Note) 150-160k
    * 50 Cent (Aftermath/Interscope) 140-150k
    * Casting Crowns (Provident/Reunion) 140-150k
    * Justin Bieber (Island/IDJ) 110-120k
    Michael Jackson’s This Is It (Epic) 95-105k
    Carrie Underwood (19/Arista Nashville) 90-100k
    * Kris Allen (19/RCA/RMG) 85-90k
    Taylor Swift Fearless (Big Machine) 85-90k
    Twilight Saga: New Moon (Chop Shop/Atlantic) 75-80k
    * Them Crooked Vultures (Interscope) 70-75k
    * Denotes debut

    So Kris will debut either 9th or 10th. If I remember correctly, I think Jordin debuted 10th her year.

  • saga

    The HDD numbers are from today. That’s their Friday prediction.

    Meaning they are pretty accurate? When do we know the final numbers? On monday?

  • Triskel4

    Another teacher weighing in on the Subo gifting. Dear God, no. I’ve never even listened to the Youtube thing millions were flipping out about, though my best friend said it made her cry. My tastes run more towards singer/songwriter types, thank you very much. And, no, I’m not on my prep period at school or ignoring my students as they work away; I teach at a University, so, I’m only on campus 2 days a week–best job in the world, sitting here this morning grading papers in my pj’s.

    Also, yes, people get press for many reasons; my example would be Britny Spears (she spells her first name like that, right?). I really, really haven’t liked a song from her since BWMT (and that was marginal). She, in my opinion of course, can’t sing a lick without help (electronic mostly I think), but she surely can generate buzz and site hits and headlines, etc. I was even a bit obsessed with her myself as we watched her come apart at the seams, and I read a ton about her until I realized I was feeding the monster.

    If anyone has read anything I’ve written on here, he or she would know that I’m obviously a Kris fan, so I know that my opinion is less (outnumbered? unpopular?) on this board, but that headline is just ridiculous. Please, let’s give the boy a chance to prove himself. He’s got the voice–let him earn his place, like Jen Hudson, Daughtry, and especially Carrie and Kelly all have.

    I’ve read, and do believe, that other people in the music business likely already have a type of prejudice against “idols,” and this hyperbolic type of praise could possibly alienate Adam even more. Yes, yes, I know he has all these famous people supporting him (Katie Perry, Fergie), but I’m just worried that they may be trying to get something for themselves from him, you know, reflected glory. It is an especially cut throat business, and he seems to be such a nice guy–advantage could be taken. Okay, now you guys will say, Oh he’s been around this business for 10 years, he’s savvy, blah, blah. I can hear it now; I read this board too much. Yes, he’s been working to be in the business. He’s been around, but not with such heavy hitters, I’m thinking.

    Sheesh. I’m so freaking long-winded. Can’t help it, used to lecturing. Sorry.

  • Tess

    I can read the headline now: “Finally a true Idol emerges in Lambert….though he hasn’t proven that he can sell records like Kelly, Carrie, Daughtry and Cook, so my apologies to their fans for having an opinion that may differ from theirs”.

    As long as I have been around Idol I have never grasped the “importance” that many fans place on their favorite never being allowed to be overlooked in any media reference. I know, I know that Kelly was the first Idol and that all things “fell” into place for her and that she has been successful….but gee golly wizz she was the first and we can’t reinvent history to say that if someone else would have been first they wouldn’t be the current Elvis or MJ, and she hasn’t reached that status by far.

    And I also don’t understand the fact that when there is a new kid on the block that all of the older idols get lumped into a nice package and it is the new kid against all of them….considering that when it is Season 4 against Season 7 it is no holds barred and those idols are forced into the boxing ring.

    Hopefully every Idol will get their time in the sun…and yup, history is going to have the final say!

  • lucy

    And most of those women will immediately either toss it on a shelf to gather dust or toss it in the trash. I can’t think of any woman in my family, of any age, who’d want Sue Bo’s album, not even my 70+ year old mother. She wants Kris’ and maybe Adam’s albums, and wanted David Cook’s last year. Older women do not necessarily want that stuff! My mom is from the Elvis generation, for goodness sakes!

    Nevertheless, I’ve been pretty surprised to look on the Facebook pages of quite a few people I know and see Susan Boyle listed as one of their favorite things…. I’ve seen it on the pages of a whole bunch of people that were just shocking to me — inlcuding an 18 year old and a couple of professional musicians ….

    She has a strange and mysterious power over some, it appears.

    Her powers are probably of pretty limited duration, however, I’m guessing.

  • Tamarynd

    LoveContinuum and Mary102 (and anyone else), re: Sarah Palin, doesn’t she remind you a bit of Danny Gokey? To me, they share certain similarities- seemingly earnest, well-meaning people with a spark of raw talent, but are so clueless as to how others might view them, or the realities of their chosen profession. Just when audiences could warm up to them, they stick their foot in their mouth and ruin whatever goodwill they might have gained. I have nothing against Palin, but she should get out of politics- she’s in over her head, I think.

  • lucy

    Judging from these sales, opening with 150K is really decent. Anything over 200K is very good and over 300K is very, very good? Or is this a weak week?

    Traditionally, I believe this is actually a pretty strong week.

  • KayGee

    fadetowhite
    11/20/2009 at 10:47 am
    I didn’t take it to mean ‘American Idol’  but ‘Idol’  as someone that may be worshipped like a ‘teen idol’ or ‘rock star.’ I’m not saying *I* believe Adam is the second-coming (though it would be awesome if that kind of success does happen), but suggesting that may be the gist of what the writer was going for?

    If he hadn’t appeared on American Idol, then yeah ‘“ but in this case the connection is too obvious not to be deliberate: the writer would have to be an idiot.

    It’s a huge diss to everyone who has come off the show and done well ‘“ especially the muti million sellings grammy winners amongst them.

    But the whole media crapfest over Lambert has grown to such absurd proportions, that it just makes me roll my eyes.

    I’m sure he’ll do great and I’m pleased for him and his fans: I just wish the media didn’t feel the need to dismiss others in order to slaver all over him.

    But as wiser heads have said, it happens every year ‘“ and pisses people off every year. And then everyone just moves on.

    I never followed an Idol after their run on the show, Adam is the first…and already I am having Adam overkill…I want to see him succeed because he has the best voice I have heard in a long time…but there are 7 articles about him performing on the AMA’s – that is overkill, and it puts additional pressure on Adam to “win” over America as the “alternative-type” male in the industry…those shoes are awfully big, and the audience won’t be all Adam fans, some heterosexual males may find him offensive, while most women will find him SEXY AS HELL!!!

    I just hope he lives up to all the SUPER HYPE that the media is brewing…

  • lucy

    * Denotes debut

    I actually thought this was a new group.

    And you wondered how they got on the list because they’re apparently not expected to sell *any* albums, lol?

  • Eileen99

    Album sales are down across the board, there is no denying that. Here’s a link to the HDD new release page for 11/17 (taks posted this first a couple of days ago) –

    http://www.hitsdailydouble.com/sales/sales_ur.cgi?111709

    Just a couple of comparisons for reference:

    50 cent sold 692k his first week last album, his projection this week is 140-150k
    Norah Jones sold 406k her first week last album, her projection is 150-160k
    Leona Lewis 205k last time, 70k-ish this time.

    Looking at these numbers, I really believe the expectations for the Idol albums this year are too high. People just don’t have the disposable income they used to have, and it’s too easy to rip an album off the internet right now. Those who wouldn’t ordinarily rip an album are maybe doing so now, and telling themselves when the economy is better they’ll go back and buy the album. Who knows? But the numbers are just down for almost everybody – no way around that.

  • will

    Associated Press:

    Jennifer Lopez plans to include fireworks and an on-stage costume change in her performance at the American Music Awards.

    ET:

    Adam says his fans can expect ‘fireworks’  when he takes the stage at the big event. . .“we have pyro. . .”

    Hope the place doesn’t burn down.

  • Izzie2

    Sometimes the media act like a herd and copy each other’s opinions to the point where the uniformity becomes second nature: acting without thought.

    I agree. And it is WAY too premature to either write off Kris Allen and Adam Lambert or to declare that one of them might be the most successful ever.
    Kris Allen’s CD has dropped down the itune charts and not keeping up with the pack of other new artists which may indicate that his run up the charts was helped along by pre-orders and loyal fans. Hopefully the sales are keeping up in the big box stores which are the big numbers anyway.
    And what is up with the multiple single releases for Adam and the drop off in radio adds for him? I’m not sure I can buy into the fact that there haven’t been efforts to promote his singles going on behind the scenes. One thing I know for sure is that he is sure going to be interesting to watch.
    Everyone here may have a different favorite Idol, but one thing I can say about all of them that they have going for them…they can all actually sing. I would not expect for either Kris or Adam to have anywhere near the sales figures that Kelly, Carrie or Daughtry have put up. I think the only genre where those numbers might be possible to get anywhere close to any more is Country Western. I do hope they both have success because I think what is good for one idol is good for all of them. And vice versa.

  • glamatheart

    moved

  • lucy

    and an on-stage costume change

    Is that another way to say “deliberate costume malfunction”? … I assume so, since that will definitely spark interest in hanging around to see her performance.

  • 123abc456

    Here is a mashup someone posted of David Cook’s last year looks like he is local media: http://www.gogladiatormedia.net/2009/11/gogladiator-tv-thanks-david-cook-fans/

    Sorry Adam fans he plugs Kris in this piece as well.

    For the record CD sales are down 13% from last year at this time.

  • tierbee

    No one puts tierbee in a corner!

    (couldn’t resist’ ¦ducking and running)

    LOL! Nope. I can’t sit still long enough to stay in the corner anyway ;)

  • 4evrmomof4
  • LindaT

    KayGee
    11/20/2009 at 12:12 pm

    I never followed an Idol after their run on the show, Adam is the first’ ¦and already I am having Adam overkill’ ¦

    Yes there are a lot of articles posted here, but remember all of these will not be seen in every market. We’re seeing all of them because MJ is posting them. But for people who don’t frequent this blog (that is, most people in this country), the level of Adam “noise” is going to be a lot lower. There are still a lot of people out there who don’t know who Adam is yet.

  • unique28v

    I’ve read, and do believe, that other people in the music business likely already have a type of prejudice against ‘idols,’  and this hyperbolic type of praise could possibly alienate Adam even more.

    Thats what makes the entertainment industry embracing Adam so endearing to me because you’re right, coming off of Idol is usually the kiss of death but its not for Adam. In fact, they don’t even mention Idol half the time they are talking about Adam, which is a good thing for him. He’s beginning to break that seal and therefore will reach more people.

    I just hope he lives up to all the SUPER HYPE that the media is brewing’ ¦

    Its only super hype for people who follow Adam. The majority of people haven’t seen 1 article yet with Adam let alone 7. If anything, Adam’s promotion needs to increase greatly, and it looks like thats going to happen starting Sunday. Its the same thing in politics. You gotta stay out there so that more and more people see you.

  • 4evrmomof4

    gee, is MTV competing with Rockstar Weekly in the crazy fan contest schtick?

    http://newsroom.mtv.com/2009/11/20/adam-lambert-kris-allen-elle-contest/

  • spritely

    123abc456, that DC vid is lots of fun. Gave me a few pangs of awww, too. Thank you!

  • unique28v

    Looking at these numbers, I really believe the expectations for the Idol albums this year are too high. People just don’t have the disposable income they used to have, and it’s too easy to rip an album off the internet right now. Those who wouldn’t ordinarily rip an album are maybe doing so now, and telling themselves when the economy is better they’ll go back and buy the album. Who knows? But the numbers are just down for almost everybody ‘“ no way around that.

    Very true.

  • fadetowhite

    And why fans have to find any album brilliant? I love muse now, and am a fan, but only like, dont love, the resistance. I loved Bo to death but hated his album. So I dont get it.

    And I dont get this ‘its good for its genre’ . Do you think its genre is worse than other genres? What does it mean?

    Mila – sorry, you’re right, I should qualify that.

    A non fan finding something that they haven’t heard before brilliant is definitely an unbiased opinion: still an opinion yes, but not influenced by expectation. I also discovered Muse fairly recently and find some of The Uprising to be brilliant. Ditto Florence and the Machine, which I think is excellent.

    Fans do have an inbuilt bias. No – that doesn’t mean that they love everything that an artist puts out. But I do think, both from experience and observation, that AI fans – obviously not all of them, because we’re not all the same, but a lot of the more internet savvy ones anyway – spend such a long time in knuckle gnawing, angst ridden anticipation of the first album, that it’s almost a religious right to think it is utterly brilliant. To put it in perspective, I saw the same euphoric reactions to Archuleta and Cook’s albums last year. Now Archie isn’t my thing, but I don’t think his album could be called ‘great’ and Cook is my thing and I don’t think (euphoric angst aside) that his album could be called great either, but it is good.

    With Lambert, so many of these writers who are producing reviews seemed to have been caught up in the euphoric hyberbolic hooha since the end of AI, that – in all honesty – I see them no differently than the most excited of the uber fans. No only that, but many reviewers have always utterly refused to treat idol albums fairly or give them a fair hearing in the past: and many of those albums were decent enough, give or take a better or worse response depending on your musical preference. Not great, but decent. As is Kris Allen’s album this year.

    I can’t answer the secong part of your quote about good for its genre, because I don’t think I said that, or at least if I did, that’s not what I meant.

    I meant that different albums are good in different genres, but people will respond to them differently, becaus they like different things. I think Lambert’s album is good, even though I don’t like the type of music on it, for the most part. I love the Muse song, but not in that version: the original demo was great.

  • KayGee

    Linda T and Unique – thanks for your replies…I never looked at it that way…that makes it a make a little more sense.

  • k0ka

    Very good updates , Kris needs couple more updates like today in POP.

    POP:
    38 37 KRIS ALLEN Live Like We’re Dying 1119 1040 79 6.369
    +25 Spins
    +25 Bullet
    +0.138 AI
    68 Stations (+2)

    HAC:
    22 21 KRIS ALLEN Live Like We’re Dying 1139 958 181 5.255
    +24 Spins
    +10 Bullet
    +0.066 AI
    67 Stations (+1)

    by kworb

    No updates for FYE. kworb last message:

    I think it’s a combination of a very average hook and a fear of male sexuality that has caused this to flop.

  • LoveContinuum

    the second class status-yes, a form of apartheid-of gays in America

    I know the whole OUT thing is getting old, but since there’s a post in this thread about the mags response to Adam’s response, I have to say (again) that I really wish this guy would quit using the word apartheid. He doesn’t get it. I don’t know for sure if he’s formerly South African, but I doubt it. He’s throwing around big words that make him look like an ass. Which he clearly is.

  • will

    Daily Mail:

    Cowell reminded the 27-year-old that he cannot expect any special treatment and will be judged on the same basis as all other contestants.

    Johnson, a bisexual drama teacher from Kent, left rehearsals for the ITV talent show after demanding that his song for this week’s programme had to be changed.

    And what, pray tell, does him being bisexual have to do with the price of tea in China?

  • rockvixen

    That’s good and all with the Kris Allen spins but it’s not necessarily translating into sales.

  • Eileen99

    I’m with Sassycatz above. I am also one who never reads the Adam articles anymore – way TMI, way too much hype for me. Maybe Adam will sell 18 zillion albums next week, but so far his two singles have sold at ho-hum levels compared to the pre-release hype. The single has done nothing on radio, and looks to be being dropped in favor of a second try with another single. Yet, the sheer number of articles posted here in headlines and elsewhere on the net are heavily, heavily skewed toward coverage of Adam. So far, reality does not equal the hype, but we’ll have to wait & see.

    Seeing the US Weekly interview article yesterday reminded me how endearing I found Adam to be on the show and right afterward. The increasing noise level surrounding him along with astronomical hype ended up being a major turn-off for me personally. Seeing Kris & Adam interacting the way they did on the show warmed my heart. The stuff since then, not so much.

  • tinawina

    I think the Adam “hype” is very real in the entertainment industry and in the media. Probably among pop culture junkie types too. But in the general public, I think that Adam gets to be the one name people are vaguely aware of from Idol this year. Heh. Season 6 it was Sanjaya, Season 5 it was Kellie Pickler and Taylor Hicks (and after he blew up, Daughtry), and Season 7 it was “The Davids” (and I mean that literally. I don’t even know if folks knew their last names, just that there were 2 guys named David, and one had a rumored crazy stagedad.) I think this year, a whole lot of people know there was a guy named Adam Lambert on Idol this year and he’s supposed to be really good. Vaguely. But I don’t know if the world thinks he’s supposed to be a superstah!.

  • tierbee

    Here is a mashup someone posted of David Cook’s last year looks like he is local media: http://www.gogladiatormedia.net/2009/11/gogladiator-tv-thanks-david-cook-fans/

    Aw, that was fun – thanks for posting it. Of course any excuse to have another David Cook video to watch is ok by me ;)

  • suebrody

    Here is a mashup someone posted of David Cook’s last year looks like he is local media: http://www.gogladiatormedia.net/2009/11/gogladiator-tv-thanks-david-cook-fans/

    THAT was awesome. Thanks for sharing.

  • Mtlfan

    That’s good and all with the Kris Allen spins but it’s not necessarily translating into sales.

    but it can good fo future sales though. And so far, the increase in spins has proven to be good for his sales.

  • saga

    I think the Adam ‘hype’  is very real in the entertainment industry and in the media.

    And if it will give him opportunities then it’s all good for him, because that’s what it all comes down to. We know most of the idols have the goods.

  • tinawina

    And if it will give him opportunities then it’s all good for him, because that’s what it all comes down to. We know most of the idols have the goods.

    Not that I disagree with you or anything, but I’m not sure what you are saying and what that has to do with what I posted. LOL.

    That said, I agree he’s gotten a ton of opportunities that were generated from the excitement about him in the industry. I say he’d have been nuts not to take advantage of all of it. Good for him! His risk is that if he doesn’t live up to the hype in those quarters, there might be a backlash in the form of bad press or scathing reviews. So far it seems like folks like what they hear, so he’s crossed that hurdle at least. Honestly Adam seems to understand the industry very well, I’m sure he will be just fine dealing with all that.

  • Mila

    I meant that different albums are good in different genres, but people will respond to them differently, becaus they like different things. I think Lambert’s album is good, even though I don’t like the type of music on it, for the most part.

    Ok, got it. I dont care much about genres, as long as its not rap or country, so maybe I dont have this sensibility.

    Fans do have an inbuilt bias. No ‘“ that doesn’t mean that they love everything that an artist puts out. But I do think, both from experience and observation, that AI fans ‘“ obviously not all of them, because we’re not all the same, but a lot of the more internet savvy ones anyway ‘“ spend such a long time in knuckle gnawing, angst ridden anticipation of the first album, that it’s almost a religious right to think it is utterly brilliant. To put it in perspective, I saw the same euphoric reactions to Archuleta and Cook’s albums last year. Now Archie isn’t my thing, but I don’t think his album could be called ‘great’ and Cook is my thing and I don’t think (euphoric angst aside) that his album could be called great either, but it is good.

    Did people love Cooks album last year? I was a big fan, love him still, but didnt follow after the tour, so I really dont remember. Got the CD many months after release (I live abroad), and did not like very much. I still try to listen, but I dont like the impression that all songs look the same.

    I like adam’s album much better. Not comparing idols, only album, because I really love Cook. I like the songs better, I like that they are diverse and have different sounds. Its not perfect, because it was rushed as was Cook’s, but for me its still more solid, less tiring to listen too. Kris’is similar to Cook’s for me, similar sound. I hope that cook get more than one producer and give some variety next album, he is great.

    So, what i mean is that maybe the reason for the hyperbole is that reviewers have in mind such constraints and appreciate him being different (from other idoisl) and refreshing under the situation. I dont know. I dont remember all the hyperbole for cook. Maybe Adam inspires the hyperbole in people lol!

  • jammasta

    Anybody see this from Entertainment Weekly? I only came across it at Gossip Candy.

    http://gossipcandy.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/121671z.jpg

    Stupid Questions with Kris Allen! He doesn’t know who Levi Johnston is :P.

  • Truthiness

    Looking at these numbers, I really believe the expectations for the Idol albums this year are too high. People just don’t have the disposable income they used to have, and it’s too easy to rip an album off the internet right now. Those who wouldn’t ordinarily rip an album are maybe doing so now, and telling themselves when the economy is better they’ll go back and buy the album. Who knows? But the numbers are just down for almost everybody ‘“ no way around that.

    Co-signed.

    I think this year, a whole lot of people know there was a guy named Adam Lambert on Idol this year and he’s supposed to be really good. Vaguely. But I don’t know if the world thinks he’s supposed to be a superstah!.

    I don’t think most people even know if he’s supposed to be good. IF people know of Adam outside the bubble, I think it’s just like ‘ohhh yeah, the guy with the nail polish and eyeliner…the gay one, right?’ maybe a ‘he’s the one that sings really high/sticks his tongue out, right?’ At least that’s been what I’ve encountered. Just a snapshot of the look of Adam, his being gay, high notes. So yeah, Adam probably is the best known Idol this year, for sure. But there isn’t this expectation of his being some STAH outside the bubble. That stuff just doesn’t ping for most people. The only time Adam pings for people I’ve seen, is if they’re the more dedicated AI fans, because casual fans are just waiting for the next season, as they always are. YMMV based on your experiences, of course.

  • 123abc456

    I loved Cook’s album and still do. Barbasol sounds nothing like Permanent which sounds nothing like Mr. Sensitive. The songs are all very different and unique IMO. Every artist has their own sound. When I hear a song by Britney I know it is her. Or Gaga or anybody. I listened to Adam’s album and it is not for me. I just don’t like it. But I know that it is Adam and I don’t expect him to sound like anyone else.

  • fadetowhite

    I like adam’s album much better. Not comparing idols, only album, because I really love Cook. I like the songs better, I like that they are diverse and have different sounds. Its not perfect, because it was rushed as was Cook’s, but for me its still more solid, less tiring to listen too. Kris’is similar to Cook’s for me, similar sound. I hope that cook get more than one producer and give some variety next album, he is great.

    So, what i mean is that maybe the reason for the hyperbole is that reviewers have in mind such constraints and appreciate him being different (from other idoisl) and refreshing under the situation. I dont know. I dont remember all the hyperbole for cook. Maybe Adam inspires the hyperbole in people lol!

    And – seriously – that’s fine. We all like what we like.

    But yeah – there was loads of fans hyperbole about both Archie and Cook’s albums: and still is about Cook’s to some extent (don’t know about Archie).

    So far as the reviewers are concerned: I have never even seen them give a decent hearing to a first Idol album. They are all dismissed out of hand as being from the Idol machine.

    And the ironic thing here is that I agree with the review (much mauled by some of the more extreme on-line fans,as any Idol review that is less than stellar would be) that said that Lambert too was constrained by the Idol machine and that he is capable of more.

    I’d agree with that.

    He’s certainly different for Idol: that is absolutely true.

    But he’s not different in my neck of the woods: the glam rock revival has been and gone over here. As has the revival of ‘camp’ and OTT. That’s why Justin whatisname from the Darkness is over there writing songs for other people. The Darkness broke up a few years ago and Mika’s second album hasn’t really gone over that well this time around. Both camp glam rock revivalists with crazy voices…Muse is the band that really takes all of that, combines it with influences from Queen and all sorts of other stuff and makes something new out of it and Muse Adam Lambert is not.

    So that combined with a LadyGagesque OTT live performance persona and sexually charged lyrics is nothing new at all: it’s taking bits and pieces of things that have been successful recently and tying them all up in the – admittedly very strong and powerful bow – of Lambert’s voice and performance ability.

    Like I said, I’m sure he’ll do very well, but he is no less a packaged and targetted artist than any other previous idol.

  • http://www.planetfierce.proboards.com/ CindyM

    123abc456
    11/20/2009 at 1:02 pm
    I loved Cook’s album and still do. Barbasol sounds nothing like Permanent which sounds nothing like Mr. Sensitive. The songs are all very different and unique IMO.

    See I had the opposite reaction. I love David Cook the person and I loved him in concert. I think his album was a piece of shit. I bought it, listened to it a few times trying to like it and then put it on the shelf never to be played again. The songs sounded homegeneous to me and the album took away all the nuances that I loved about David Cook on AI.

    That’s the cool thing about opinions, everyone has one and they are all valid. My opinion does nothing to negate or invalidate yours. Nothing at all.

  • Mila

    Its funny how things are twisted all the time. I read many times here, when some optimistic adam fan discuss arena concerts, tourig alone or with gaga, etc, that adam is only know within the idol bubble. That the world doest care about him, nobody knows his name. It happened so frequently that I see a lot of adam fans joking about serious journalists being in the bubble when there is a good review.

    Then, sudenly the hype is so much that will kill his career. There will be backlash. Nobody can cope anymore with so many adam news.

    So, what is it? Nobody knows him or everybody knows him and will be tired of him or expect too much from him?

    Personally, I think its in between. Adam is known because media loves him, but not very well out of the bubble. More than many other idols were at this point, but still a new kid on the block. He is still being branded. So no, the hype will not kill his career or cause backlash. Normal people see a reference once in a while.

    In the bubble non-fans are probably tired of all the coverage. I would be, probably. But those are already non fans. They are not significant in real world and will not be won over even if adam came to sing painted in gold.

  • aa618892

    I keep reading about fye single being a flop. The song is still selling pretty steadily on iTunes without any radio promo. The promo doesn’t start until next week. Everyone is basing this on radio spins but it is still selling. The album pre-orders are still steady too. FYE Deluxe is #10 on Pop and #29 overall. I don’t get it.

  • Mila

    Anybody see this from Entertainment Weekly? I only came across it at Gossip Candy.

    http://gossipcandy.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/121671z.jpg

    Stupid Questions with Kris Allen! He doesn’t know who Levi Johnston is :P .

    Those were funny, I liked his answers! Except the one about cudling with the bear. Looked like a little pretentious.

  • Squirrely

    I only listen to Life on the Moon on David’s album. I’m waiting for his next one.

  • wellhesback

    That GoGladiator video about David Cook was wonderful. Thanks to whoever posted.

    Even though I am an over-the-top fan of Cook’s, I will agree his album’s will kinda all sound the same if played straight through. The same songs at a live show – all different and they truly do come alive and shine. It’s amazing.

    Lastly, someone posted above that all women will find Lambert sexy at AMA performance (just one opinion, I know) – but no, not all women. Not this woman – anything or anyone with bondage, leash, whip, handcuffs – ugh. turns me right off, sexually. Again, yeah I recognize AL’s talents…

  • girlygirl

    More of Kris’ interview with Jim C is up on MTV News — them eating a “Krim cake”, Kris talking about why he changed his twitter name, etc. He’s very comfortable with Jim — he’s basically sprawled out over that couch! And Kris actually almost swore on camera when Jim gave him a t-shirt. Oh, and I need a gif of his finger snaps!

    http://www.mtv.com/videos/news/458226/fans-send-kris-allen-and-jim-cantiello-a-cake.jhtml#id=1626447

  • fadetowhite

    The other thing that makes a huge difference to me with all of those artists – Mika, the Darkness, Muse, Lady Gaga, whoever – is that they all write their own stuff, whether I like it or not.

    And that to me distinguishes one level of artist from another.

    A personal opinion I know.

  • tierbee

    I love most of David Cook’s album, though there are a few that I skip over (Come Back to Me & I Did It For You specifically). But a year later, I still listen to most of the songs quite a bit. Love it. Everyone’s tastes are different, you know? I only like a couple songs on Adam’s album, some people love it all. It’s rare for an artist to put together an album where I like every single song. It’s hard to maintain a balance between having the songs all not sound the same, but having any sort of cohesiveness.

  • fadetowhite

    I never get that stuff about albums all sounding the same.

    Much of Greenday’s stuff all sounds the same. Ditto a lot of albums on first listen: The Editors first album; Coldplay’s first album Parachutes; Oasis; REM to an extent – loads of stuff.

    Maybe one or two songs will stand out and grab attention on a lot of albums, but on many – Muse’s Uprising and Florence and the Machine were both like this, come to think of it – something hooks you in to listen a few more times and then somehow, miraculously, the songs distinguish themselves from each other and take on lives of their own and then they never sound the same again.

    But you’ve got to have some sort of hook that won’t let you go, to make the investment.

    I’d have given up on so many albums that I absolutely adore, if I’d only listened to them once or twice.

    And some I have given up on.

    Others I’ve played for a month or so and then never wanted to listen to again.

    Cook’s stuff is definitely in the ‘ you will be rewarded for repeated listenings’ for me. But obviously that is not the case for everyone.

    And honestly, Lambert’s all blended into each other on first listening, but I had no investment to make me listen again. I may be missing out on something that I would later love – who knows.

    Now, if I hear one of his songs, out of context and it hooks me – and this is what happened with Florence and the Machine and Muse – then I’ll give it another go. But at the moment, it has left no hooks in me.

  • LaurelG

    Maybe Adam will sell 18 zillion albums next week, but so far his two singles have sold at ho-hum levels compared to the pre-release hype. The single has done nothing on radio, and looks to be being dropped in favor of a second try with another single. Yet, the sheer number of articles posted here in headlines and elsewhere on the net are heavily, heavily skewed toward coverage of Adam. So far, reality does not equal the hype, but we’ll have to wait & see.

    The bolded part at the end the your paragraph perfectly sums it up for me. So often I’m tempted to counter the very specific predictions put forth by others with specific, defensive posts of my own, but then I back off because I realize my crystal ball is no more potent than theirs. I personally think there are reasons the two singles have sold at ho-hum levels, as you put it, that have nothing to do with the quality of the songs or the lack of a potential audience for them. I also don’t believe FYE will be dropped in favor of WWFM, although I happen to think the latter is equally as radio friendly. Of course, I can’t prove any of this, any more than others can prove their predictions despite the very assured tone some people have.

    So I’ll wait and wait. Next week will bring some answers but certainly not all. I think Adam will do better than Kris but I don’t think he will sell anywhere near what Cook sold or even Archie. I’m sure plenty will declare him a failure for that. But still I’ll wait, because to me, Adam’s greatest strength, besides his ridiculously siiiick voice, is his showmanship. And just as David’s neverending tour helped fuel his album sales, I fully believe it will be the same with Adam. So we’ll see. After the promotional stuff (which hasn’t started yet), after the tour, let’s see how many albums he’s sold … after a year.

    A year ago last week, Hollywood Week had just wrapped. Now Adam’s rehearsing for the AMA’s and Aaron expects him to be the next gay Messiah. A lot can happen in a year.

  • Mila

    I must be crazy because I like I did it for you and everybody hates it. It was one of the only songs I remeber from the album, the one that stick in my head. And I like Light On.

  • rockvixen

    I am a huge fan of Cookie bought his album and listened to it once. I only liked Permanent from his album which I listened to a million times. As a whole I found his album generic alternative rock. I’m waiting for his new album hopefully it will be less alternative and more pop/rock.

  • tinawina

    I’m with you Truthiness. I think we are basically saying the same thing. AI is like the superbowl, or the oscars IMO… Those that are really into it know all the details, those who aren’t will have a vague idea of who won the biggest prize (or what the big story was this year) but little else. I think Adam won the “thing from Idol I vaguely know about” sweepstakes this year. Which is a good thing.

    That said, I don’t think it matters if people declare his album the best idol album evah! Its his turn to get launched. You gotta take what works for you and run with it. If the tweeners love you, work it. If the press loves you, work that. This is only going to happen once. There will be a whole new crop ready to steal the spotlight next year anyway.

  • Eileen99

    Idol-related since he wrote with Kris:

    matkearney Has there ever been an era of disposable music like the one we are in?

    Mat just tweeted this. I love him, he was fantastic in concert, and oh-so-adorable.

  • jill16

    It sounds as if Adam still doesn’t know if he will tour, saying it depends on how well his album does. Kris has said his tour will start in February. Evidently he doesn’t need to wait and see how his album does. Does anyone know if since he’s the winner, he automatically gets to tour?

  • http://www.planetfierce.proboards.com/ CindyM

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vzuPFOfTOv4&feature=player_embedded#

    Cute video from CNN at red carpet event. No Kris, just Adam, John Cho and Jenna Fischer is starstruck at Adam..lol. Cute!

  • Izzie2

    jill16
    11/20/2009 at 1:39 pm
    It sounds as if Adam still doesn’t know if he will tour, saying it depends on how well his album does. Kris has said his tour will start in February. Evidently he doesn’t need to wait and see how his album does. Does anyone know if since he’s the winner, he automatically gets to tour?

    I can’t answer this question, however I can see Kris starting out in smaller venues which would work well with his style of music and performing. As for Adam….he seems to want a really big production type tour which is very expensive. His best bet may be to open for a large act.

  • http://www.planetfierce.proboards.com/ CindyM

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=38uInNpH7P0&feature=player_embedded

    Adam signing autographs on the street, looks like after the US party. Gonna stay in NY for Thanksgiving with family.

  • lifeisgood

    Some posts thought that the FYE video might be a bit much sexually. I just watched the new Morningwood video – they’ve got girl on girl making out, guy on guy making out, and threesomes: the lead singer walks in on one big orgy……

  • Squirrely

    Some posts thought that the FYE video might be a bit much sexually. I just watched the new Morningwood video ‘“ they’ve got girl on girl making out, guy on guy making out, and threesomes: the lead singer walks in on one big orgy’ ¦’ ¦

    oooh I like Morningwood. My guilty pleasure of one of their songs is Babysitter…bad bad song but I like it.

  • Kirsten

    Jpfan When were these HDD predictions updated? I thought they generally go up on Friday? Kris’s stayed the same.

    The accuracy goes up on Friday. The fact that Kris’s stays the same indicates they were reasonably accurate on Wednesday (according to current trends). When you start to see a lot of changes in their predictions, it means that the sales are not following traditional patterns and often, that means that their predictions for that artist might be way off (the update on Wednesday was likely due to some mistake. They wouldn’t have had new sales data in such a short period of time).

    If we compare numbers with earlier in the week, John has been nudged up a bit and Norah nudged down a bit. 50 cent stayed the same while Andrea surged (his numbers may be higher again they are now). Justin and Kris stayed the same. We don’t know about the rest because they were not included.

    When do we know the final numbers? On monday?

    HDD final predictions on Tuesday afternoon. SoundScan numbers may be announced late Tuesday or Wednesday (usually Wednesday).

  • Squirrely

    kind of off topic – I saw Norah Jones New CD selling in Starbucks today. I didn’t look to see the price but it was next to Paul McCartney’s NYC live album (can’t remember the full title)

  • gemini1

    Where is everyone at on the iTunes chart? Has KA moved up any? How about FYE?

  • Kirsten

    I can’t answer this question, however I can see Kris starting out in smaller venues which would work well with his style of music and performing.

    The last two Idols that Jive signed (Jordin and Archie) got paired up with other artists to tour. Perhaps they will do the same with Kris (John Mayer, please). Jordin toured with Alicia Keyes for her first album and Brit for her second. Archie toured with Disney artist Demi Lovato.

  • Sydia

    Ok…I guess I am one of the OTT Cook fans. I am also a Daughtry fan, and I liked Pearl Jam, and love the alternative rock sound. So I loved Cooks Cd from the first listen. I still listen to it, however, I skip Permanent, Mr. Sens, and IDFY, which seem to be many of the fan favorites. I didn’t like Archie’s cd. was bored, and I got bored with KA. I guess I need to give them a second listen. I thought Adam’s was cheesy. FYE, and WWFM got stuck in my head though.

  • Izzie2

    HDD predictions were off last year for the David’s and overestimated for both.

  • Sassycatz

    And you wondered how they got on the list because they’re apparently not expected to sell *any* albums, lol?

    Nope ‘ ¦ my eyes just glazed over. I’m a political scientist, not a mathematician. ;-)

    Hope the place doesn’t burn down.

    Now, that would amuse me.

    All I’ve got to say is … remember Michael Jackson and the Pepsi commercial. Maybe they should add Smokey the Bear to this line-up.

    No only that, but many reviewers have always utterly refused to treat idol albums fairly or give them a fair hearing in the past: and many of those albums were decent enough, give or take a better or worse response depending on your musical preference. Not great, but decent. As is Kris Allen’s album this year.

    That’s true. Many of them will dismiss an Idol’s album outright. Adam is lucky that they aren’t doing that to him too because there’s no reason why other Idols shouldn’t have been given the benefit of the doubt … at least for a listen.

    I hope that cook get more than one producer and give some variety next album, he is great.

    I sure hope not. I like *one* vision on an album, but I don’t want Cavallo again.

    See I had the opposite reaction. I love David Cook the person and I loved him in concert. I think his album was a piece of shit.

    He obviously sings the same songs on tour, so what might have made it a ‘piece of shit’  for you is the production. So ‘ ¦ yeah, I want a different producer.

    So, what is it? Nobody knows him or everybody knows him and will be tired of him or expect too much from him?

    I think that what’s been emphasized is Adam’s lifestyle and look more than his music because, seriously, there hasn’t been much released nationally yet. The press has been more about “celebrity” than the music.

  • koshka

    And honestly, Lambert’s all blended into each other on first listening, but I had no investment to make me listen again. I may be missing out on something that I would later love ‘“ who knows.

    Yeah… I know that feeling I get that alot with other idol albums as well. I often wonder what it is that I just don’t get. I have tried to relisten to the albums a few times.

  • Kirsten

    No updates for FYE. kworb last message:

    I checked this morning. It lost spins on both HAC and Top 40 yesterday

  • suebrody

    I must be crazy because I like I did it for you and everybody hates it. It was one of the only songs I remeber from the album, the one that stick in my head. And I like Light On.

    I don’t love LO but man do I love I Did it For You. Also love Lie, Avalanche, Permanent, A Daily Anthem, and My Last Request. Oh, and ToML, but let’s not go to the Magic Rainbow place…it’s a guilty pleasure, like Adam’s TfM.

  • gangreen29

    So Kris will debut either 9th or 10th. If I remember correctly, I think Jordin debuted 10th her year.

    Yup, and so did Blake. Jordin had the success of Tatoo to fall back on though, and then the smash single no air. This is what Kris needs, but although I like his album I don’t think it contains a smash hit. So why the low numbers for this seasons idols? I really think it is because season 8 is up there with 3 and 6 as the worst, and in my opinion it is the worst ever. Season three up until now was probably the meanest season. You had the racial tensions after the top seven, you had the wildcard singers invited back but then not allowed to sing, and you had john stevens receiving death threats. I think this season tops even three in levels of nasty, and I think it left a bitter taste to many fans. You had the abuse of Tatianna, who seemed to be suffering from some type of personality disorder. There seemed to be a deliberate set up from the beginning to pit the gay man and the christian widower against each other. The show cultivated this culture clash on purpose, and is responsible for the levels of anger on a personal level that were directed between fan groups. This sucked any energy out of the finale. Past contestants have been broken down by the judges, but the systematic dismantling of Lil, Anoop, Meghan, and Matt was really uncomfortable to watch. You could see it in their eyes by the end of their runs on the show idol had beat the joy out of them. This is the reason I am excited about Ellen joining panel. I hope she brings joy and warmth that has seriously been lacking.

  • Mila

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  • Kirsten

    HDD predictions were off last year for the David’s and overestimated for both.

    Yep. Maybe they’ve improved their algorithms since last year. They typically have problems with albums that sell huge numbers. BB has similar predictions for this week (based on SS data).

    We’ll know what the real numbers are on Wednesday (or maybe Tuesday).

  • koshka

    Season three up until now was probably the meanest season. You had the racial tensions after the top seven

    Racial tention? Boy sounds like I missed something. I’ll have to go back and see who was in that season. They all kind of run together for me now.

  • TwigLA

    Really like that Mat Kearny quote (tweet). I agree with him.

    Speaking of tweets. From Kris Allen:

    Just got to see some people that worked at idol while I was shooting some promo for next season. Good to see those people.

    about 20 hours ago from Echofon

    Great news that he’s doing promo for next season. Guess he isn’t getting the Taylor Hicks treatment by AI after all.

  • springboard

    I love David Cook the person and I loved him in concert. I think his album was a piece of shit. I bought it, listened to it a few times trying to like it and then put it on the shelf never to be played again. The songs sounded homegeneous to me and the album took away all the nuances that I loved about David Cook on AI.

    I could have written this myself! I loved everything he did pre and during idol, and was disappointed by his album.
    But I still love Cook and am looking forward to his next album.

    I have been anxiously waiting to listen to Adam’s album, not buying into the hype, but I have to say, I really like it, and I am so glad I do.

  • saga

    We’ll know what the real numbers are on Wednesday (or maybe Tuesday).

    I am hoping Kris will sell over 100K (or that they calculated the itune pass wrongly). I am going to put my money on the table and predict a 150K sale for Adam (yeah, I liked the twitter theory).

  • Izzie2

    There seemed to be a deliberate set up from the beginning to pit the gay man and the christian widower against each other. The show cultivated this culture clash

    I agree…and think this is the reason that Kris won the show. I was one of those viewers who was turned off so didn’t bother to vote at all.

  • jersey

    LOL at the twitter theory, saga. Ashton Kutcher should put out a cd!

  • Mila
  • SashaB

    Yup, by Friday, HDD estimates were higher, but not by too much.

    Archie
    HDD prediction: 200-210K // Final Sold: 183K

    DC
    HDD prediction: 300K // Final Sold: 280K

    Same for Carrie’s PlayOn- I think HDD had predicted a bit higher as well for her, and speaking of?
    *****
    ETA: For Segue::

    Updated HDD for Carrie’s sales from last week

    Carrie Underwood (19/Arista Nashville) 90-100k . Go Carrie!

    I’ve actually been surprised that Carrie’s album has not received better reviews. It’s been mixed. I think it’s her best album yet, but not all critics seem to think so. Oh well. Blake got very good reviews for his debut album, but even so, he didn’t sell them.

  • Squirrely

    RiversCuomo All this struggle and you’re just going to die anyway.

  • gangreen29

    Racial tention? Boy sounds like I missed something. I’ll have to go back and see who was in that season. They all kind of run together for me now.

    That was fanstasia’s season. There was the incident at top 7 where the three african american females who many felt were the best in the competition were in the bottom, and Jennifer Hudson was cut. Elton John blamed it on racism in America. Then when Jasmine Trias was in the top three many blamed Hawaii, and saying the pacific islander vote was pushing her too far in the competition.

  • saga

    Carrie Underwood (19/Arista Nashville) 90-100k . Go Carrie!

    Was this for the album that sold 300K? If so, that was way off.

  • SashaB

    No, this is for her 3rd full week of sales. ^^ I pulled it from JPFan’s earlier OP. Carrie had closer to 325K as an HDD estimate.

  • suebrody

    edit: AND it’s a time out for you.

  • gangreen29

    Carrie Underwood (19/Arista Nashville) 90-100k . Go Carrie!

    Was this for the album that sold 300K? If so, that was way off.

    No this is for her third week of sales.

  • koshka

    gangreen29 THanks for the explanation. My mind must be slipping. I somewhat remember that. I was PO’d when Jennifer was kicked off. Her styling was bad, but her voice was excellent. Always liked her better than Fantasia.

  • windmills

    Same for Carrie’s PlayOn- I think HDD had predicted a bit higher as well for her, and speaking of?

    Carrie Underwood (19/Arista Nashville) 90-100k . Go Carrie!

    I’ve actually been surprised that Carrie’s album has not received better reviews. It’s been mixed. I think it’s her best album yet, but not all critics seem to think so. Oh well. Blake got very good reviews for his debut album, but even so, he didn’t sell them.

    The Friday prediction for Carrie’s 1st week of Play On was 320-340k. She ended up with 313k on HDD and then 318k when the official numbers were out on Soundscan.

    As far as the Play On reviews IMO it’s because Carrie’s at this epicenter of the raging new versus old country debate. Everyone agrees she’s talented and has so much potential to influence the direction of mainstream country. She’s proven with some high profile performances that she gets traditional country so a lot of traditionalists want her singing that. But she’s a child of the 80s who loved hair bands and George Michael right along with Randy Travis, Alan Jackson, Martina Mcbride, and Mary Chapin Carpenter so those influences show up on the album too, which annoys the traditionalists especially because she’s almost “teasing” them with her brilliant singing on songs like Someday When I Stop Loving You and Look At Me. She’s not pop-rock enough to please mainstream critics but not old country enough to please traditionalist critics.

    That being said I’ve noticed that the traditionalist critics are saying that she had zero incentive to change/improve because of her hits, sales, and awards but she did with this album anyway. That’s something.

    Plus IMO PO is not as instant as her other 2 albums. SH and CR were 1 great hook after another and PO is lacking in that department. Don’t get me wrong. It’s my fave album of hers because she’s taken her singing to a new and much more nuanced level and as a fan I love how personal a lot of the songs are to her, which you can hear in her singing and writing. Too, she finally got Mark Bright to scale back the production element on a good number of songs. I think the album’s more of a grower but if you’re a critic then chances are you’re not invested enough to listen to the album 1 or maybe 2 times.

    I still definitely see room for improvements though. The cool thing about Carrie is that IMO she’s actually listened to the constructive criticism she’s gotten for CR and her shows. So I’m not “afraid” of her music getting criticism because IMO she’s likely to keep growing from it.

  • Mtlfan

    Kris:
    Just did Danielle fishels show on e! Who is Aka topanga! Boyhood dreams coming true.
    half a minute ago from Echofon

    What show is he talking about?

  • TwigLA

    This is an old article (Dec 2007) from Wired Magazine, but it’s relevant to the discussion of music sales. There are some very interesting charts in there as well as info on where the money goes.

    Take notice to the trends for album sales throughout the years and future predictions.

    http://www.wired.com/entertainment/music/magazine/16-01/ff_byrne?currentPage=all

  • NewFan

    RiversCuomo All this struggle and you’re just going to die anyway.

    It’s a raining day here and I’m reading that AMA thread. I feel the same.

    Hi Becky, It’s morning and raining here too and I couldn’t have said it better … perhaps Sunday’s pyro will light things up … I expect it’s gonna get pretty smokey in that concert hall …carcinogenic

  • Kirsten

    What show is he talking about?

    Topanga was a character on “Boys Meets World” (and seems to be fondly remembered by many who were adolescent males in the 90s).

    The actress who played her is currently a host of “The Dish” which airs on the Style Network (E! internationally).

  • lucy

    I only listen to Life on the Moon on David’s album. I’m waiting for his next one.

    I listen to several of them and try to pretend that I’m listening to him live, lol ….

  • ozarka

    Here are a few tweets from the Ann Arbor Symphony Orchestra:

    David Archuleta sings CRUSH with a new beautifull orchestration on Nov 27 ONLY with the Ann Arbor Symphony Orchestra. From $23 http://www.a2so.com

    Archuleta Christmas Concert 76-piece orchestra’ ¦ 3 Flutes, 2 Oboes, 1 English Horn, 3 Clarinets, 2 Basoons, 4 Horns, 2 Trumpets’ ¦

    ‘ ¦3 Trombones, 1 Tuba, 1 Timpani Set, 2 Percussionists, 1 Harp, 1 Celesta, 15 Violins, 6 Violas, 6 Cellos and 4 String Basses’ ¦ Nov 27th

    I am at the first rehearsal for the David Archuleta Christmas concert. WOW! It’s going to be amazing. Great seats from $24. http://www.a2so.com

    Wait until you hear the horns with David Archuleta in ‘O Holy Night’ . You’ll get goose bumps. 11 days to the concert in Ann Arbor.

  • Mtlfan

    thanks Kristen. I’m curious to see how this interview went for Kris

  • lucy

    Plus IMO PO is not as instant as her other 2 albums. SH and CR were 1 great hook after another and PO is lacking in that department. Don’t get me wrong. It’s my fave album of hers because she’s taken her singing to a new and much more nuanced level and as a fan I love how personal a lot of the songs are to her, which you can hear in her singing and writing. Too, she finally got Mark Bright to scale back the production element on a good number of songs.

    Thanks for your comments on Carrie’s album. I’ve got to give this one a serious listen because these are the issues that have kept me from buying more than a handful of singles from her earlier albums. Love her voice but the lack of nuance and what I felt was overproduction put me off her earlier stuff. Glad to hear she’s evolving in these directions.

  • http://myspace.com/girlgeek mj

    Reminder:

    nvm.

  • ozarka

    This is the set list for David Archuleta’s Ann Arbor concert in Michigan. This is the one with the 76-piece orchestra backing him up…

    Program
    1 Angels we have heard on high
    2 Ave Maria
    3 Pat-a-Pan
    4 Joy to the World
    5 Have Yourself a Merry Little Christmas
    6 Riu, Riu, Chiu
    7 Melodies of Christmas
    8 Silent Night
    9 Crush
    10 The Riddle
    11 When you say you love me
    12 Waiting for yesterday
    13 Works for me

    Source: Instant Encore

  • rockvixen
  • girlygirl

    Oh sweet! Kris has said many times that Boy Meets World is his favorite t.v. show of all-time, and I think he had a big crush on Danielle when he was a kid. So he was probably very excited about doing this interview!

    Meanwhile, if the music thing doesn’t work, Kris can always be a prognosticator. Check out his NFL picks for this weekend at this link.

    http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoid=100797928

  • koshka

    TwigLA

    Thanks for the link. I’ve bookmarked for a later read.

  • lucy

    rockvixen
    11/20/2009 at 2:48 pm

    http://www.billboard.com/#/features/adam-lambert-the-billboard-cover-story-video-1004044836.story

    Billboard article and video have not seen before.

    Hmm. How did I miss that he was going to do New Year’s Rockin’ Eve? … That’s a For Your Entertainment moment, if every I heard of one.

  • fusion8

    Gold in 3 weeks!! way to go Carrie!! the Truth is in the numbers, baby.

  • Hazehel

    Looking at these numbers, I really believe the expectations for the Idol albums this year are too high.

    People can really read too much into those figures. Album sales for individual artist normally fluctuate, some of their albums sell more, some less, some are great successes, some are flops. Not much can really be gleaned from those numbers. All we need to know is that there is a general decline in album sales. I’m not sure if there are really fantastic expectations for this year Idol albums. None from me that’s for sure.

    I would say that currently Kris is doing about what’s expected, perhaps even slightly better (if he sells 90K then it would be 10K more than my prediction). He is doing about the same as Jordin once you take the general decline in album sales into account. Adam may be the one whose sales prediction I had to adjust downwards a bit because of the lower than expected sales of his singles, but even then he should still do reasonable well come next week (if he sells lower than 140K it’ll be a great disappointment). Perhaps some fans may have wildly exaggerated expectations, but most seasoned Idol and chart watchers do give reasonable predictions. Some fans are now radically lowering their expectation so that they can feel better when the actual number comes in higher than their abnormally low prediction, but to me that’s just as silly as having wildly exaggerated expectations of how well their idol might do.

  • Squirrely

    Hmm. How did I miss that he was going to do New Year’s Rockin’ Eve?

    I can’t open the link Rockvixen posted – was this confirmed in that link?

  • mmb

    Hmm. How did I miss that he was going to do New Year’s Rockin’ Eve? ‘ ¦ That’s a For Your Entertainment moment, if every I heard of one

    .

    New Year Rockin Eve, AND BW Most Fascinating People….cool

  • Tamarynd

    This is the set list for David Archuleta’s Ann Arbor concert in Michigan. This is the one with the 76-piece orchestra backing him up’ ¦

    …10 The Riddle…

    Interesting, what song is this? Was this a bonus track on his album(s)?

  • IndyMuse

    I personally love DCTR and listen to it pretty much daily. IDIFY was one of my early favorites, and I’m glad it is getting more love live. I only like some alt rock and never liked harder rock, so my liking David (especially old Axium stuff) is a surprise.

    I think artists have to find the line between having a recognizable sound (so you know it is them) and having their songs all sound alike. I believe there is a lot of variation to DCTR, but he deliberately set it up for there to be a flow from song to song and for the album to be cohesive.

    For me, for you, I could not listen to many of the songs on AL’s album all the way through. Most were too long by a lot, were repetitive within themselves, and were only distinguished by which gratuitous vocal histrionics he applied to them. Just because you can do all that with your voice does not mean it makes for a good song when you do. Song to song, there was a fair amount of variation. Within a song, not much at all. I was impatient for the end, frankly, and kept skipping ahead. But then, I can only think of about 3 or 4 Bowie songs I ever liked. My taste just does not run to this genre. It seems like good stuff for an aerobics class or dancing, not something I’d buy. But he does have a good voice. For the music he is making, he is probably outstanding. Just not my cuppeh.

  • unique28v

    Adam is performing at the Dick Clark Rockin New Years Eve with Ryan Seacrest!! Billboard confirms it. Link

    He means that literally-“Dick Clark’s Rockin’ New Year’s Eve With Ryan Seacrest” is one of the TV appearances lined up for Lambert in the coming months; the campaign starts Nov. 22 with his show-closing performance at the American Music Awards. Besides the typical rounds of morning and late-night talk shows, Lambert will be interviewed as one of the “Most Fascinating People” of 2009. “Adam is so telegenic. It’s going to be a visual launch,” Corson says.

  • unique28v

    OH yeah. Adam is also going to be interviewed as one of the most fascinating people of 2009. I forgot to highlight that in my above post. Its in the billboard article.

  • saga

    He means that literally-“Dick Clark’s Rockin’ New Year’s Eve With Ryan Seacrest” is one of the TV appearances lined up for Lambert in the coming months; the campaign starts Nov. 22 with his show-closing performance at the American Music Awards. Besides the typical rounds of morning and late-night talk shows, Lambert will be interviewed as one of the “Most Fascinating People” of 2009. “Adam is so telegenic. It’s going to be a visual launch,” Corson says.

    Nice!

  • girlygirl

    Are both Kris and Adam going to be on the cover of Billboard? Because this article is headlined “Kris Allen: The Billboard Cover Q&A”

    http://www.billboard.com/#/features/kris-allen-the-billboard-cover-q-a-1004044831.story

  • mmb


    Adam is so telegenic. It’s going to be a visual launch,’  Corson says.

    Interesting that the Billboard article talks of his “campaign” and “launch” beginning with the AMAs…

  • Eileen99

    “The last two Idols that Jive signed (Jordin and Archie) got paired up with other artists to tour. Perhaps they will do the same with Kris (John Mayer, please). ” – Kirsten

    I, personally, would love to see something like this for Kris – instead of touring on his own at smaller venues, to latch on with a bigger name in the same genre, to introduce him to fans who would probably enjoy his music but are skeptical of anything Idol-related. So – John Mayer, The Fray, etc. would be awesome. Kris & John Mayer are both on the bill for the Z100 Jingle Ball, so guys? Take the opportunity to talk to each other and work something out. TYVM.

  • mmb

    Oh…and according to the Billboard article he is closing the show at the AMAs

  • May

    Racial tention? Boy sounds like I missed something. I’ll have to go back and see who was in that season. They all kind of run together for me now.

    That was the only other season I wached prior to season 7 and I liked it, mainly because of Fantasia (JHud was in that season too). The best singers that year were black females and they kind of dominated the top 10. If that caused tension with people then I’m really glad I wasn’t visiting the Idol boards then.

  • ozarka

    ‘ ¦10 The Riddle’ ¦

    Interesting, what song is this? Was this a bonus track on his album(s)?

    Nobody seems to know for sure but speculation is he’s doing a cover of “The Riddle” by Five For Fighting:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LGbTn4s_Ib8

  • Squirrely

    the campaign starts Nov. 22 with his show-closing performance at the American Music Awards.

    he’s closing the AMAs?

  • saga

    Oh’ ¦and according to the Billboard article he is closing the show at the AMAs

    You’ve got to be sh*tting me! Really?

  • lucy

    Yep, New Year’s Rockin’ Eve and Barbara Walters Most Fascinating People and *closer* at the AMAs:

    “The title track-which was produced by Dr. Luke, who co-wrote it with Claude Kelly-is now being worked to top 40 and hot AC radio. “I wanted to release something that would be played in a club, that would make you dance on New Year’s,” Lambert says.

    He means that literally-“Dick Clark’s Rockin’ New Year’s Eve With Ryan Seacrest” is one of the TV appearances lined up for Lambert in the coming months; the campaign starts Nov. 22 with his show-closing performance at the American Music Awards. Besides the typical rounds of morning and late-night talk shows, Lambert will be interviewed as one of the “Most Fascinating People” of 2009. “Adam is so telegenic. It’s going to be a visual launch,” Corson says.”

    Man oh man, with this kind of a launch the expectations really are through the roof. Skeery.

  • girlygirl

    I answered my own question — at least if the image on the page is right — the 11/28 Billboard will have both Kris and Adam on the cover as well as features/articles on Kris, Adam and Allison

  • saga

    Man oh man, with this kind of a launch the expectations really are through the roof. Skeery.

    I excuse him for not taking time to do radio promo.

  • unique28v

    Kris and Adam are on the cover of Billboad together??? thats what it looks to me on the website. Am I right?

  • unique28v

    I answered my own question ‘” at least if the image on the page is right ‘” the 11/28 Billboard will have both Kris and Adam on the cover as well as features/articles on Kris, Adam and Allison

    I read the articles on Kris and Adam, but I didn’t see the one on Allison. I like the pictures they used of them for the cover.

  • BeckyMD

    the campaign starts Nov. 22 with his show-closing performance at the American Music Awards.

    He gets the pimp spot again?

  • Squirrely

    Barbara Walters Most Fascinating People

    When is the BW thing showing? Was it taped already?

  • alaadam

    He means that literally-“Dick Clark’s Rockin’ New Year’s Eve With Ryan Seacrest” is one of the TV appearances lined up for Lambert in the coming months; the campaign starts Nov. 22 with his show-closing performance at the American Music Awards. Besides the typical rounds of morning and late-night talk shows, Lambert will be interviewed as one of the “Most Fascinating People” of 2009. “Adam is so telegenic. It’s going to be a visual launch,” Corson says.

    Now we know! Excited bout Rockin NYE but more excited about BW interview!!!! Wow! just Wow!

  • unique28v

    Barbara Walters Most Fascinating People and *closer* at the AMAs:

    What other Idols have been part of Barbara Walter’s Most Fascinating People?

  • rockvixen

    Yes it looks like Kris and Adam will be on the cover of billboard. Is that unusual for AI alumni to be on there right after AI?

  • windmills

    It’s cute seeing Kris and Adam sharing the Billboard cover.

    For anybody wanting the link to the Kris Q&A you can go here to read it:

    http://www.billboard.com/features/kris-allen-the-billboard-cover-q-a-1004044831.story#/features/kris-allen-the-billboard-cover-q-a-1004044831.story

    Thanks for your comments on Carrie’s album. I’ve got to give this one a serious listen because these are the issues that have kept me from buying more than a handful of singles from her earlier albums. Love her voice but the lack of nuance and what I felt was overproduction put me off her earlier stuff. Glad to hear she’s evolving in these directions.

    lucy IMO the overproduction problems aren’t totally gone – IMO Undo It is the classic case of getting something SO right in the verses but then very wrong in the chorus. It’s much better live. Just like I prefer Carrie live on Last Name SO much to the recorded version. She’s much more playful and shows a lot more personality on it live.

    But I think on Play On there’s a lot more variety and nuance in Carrie’s singing on the ballads – the standouts being Someday When I Stop Loving You, Temporary Home, What Can I Say, and Look At Me. Even with Change which is more your typical inspirational power ballad the production doesn’t compete with Carrie’s voice and IMO her conviction comes through a lot more. Plus it’s Carrie’s voice that makes Mama’s Song something special. As far as the uptempos I personally like Cowboy Casanova a lot (iffy on the production though) and the way Carrie tackles Songs Like This is hilarious. I also really like This Time – it’s not the deepest song there ever was but I think you can tell how much Carrie’s feeling it in the way she sings it.

    Like I was saying IMO there’s definitely room for Carrie to improve. I think Carrie’s skills are still ahead of the quality of some of her songs and the production sometimes. But I like that she took some chances bringing different writers into her world. I’d love for her to write with Mike Elizondo again but at the same time I’m hoping she also works more with some of the great storytelling writers in country like Vince Gill, Bill Anderson, and Jon Randall. But I’m still loving Play On and the progress Carrie’s already made.

  • mmb

    What other Idols have been part of Barbara Walter’s Most Fascinating People?

    Quite a few…i remember taylor, i think clay, jennifer hudson, i’m sure there have been quite a few others

  • NewFan

    Barbara Walters Most Fascinating People and *closer* at the AMAs:

    Plus New Year’s Eve with Ryan?

    OMG … OMFG

    For real and for serious? Has this been confirmed?

    Add Oprah and SNL and the Superbowl National Anthem and I can die happily … if I absolutely must die that is …

  • Squirrely

    can someone post a link to the cover?

  • girlygirl

    That’s very cool that Adam is going to be on New Year’s Rockin’ Eve. Is that the one Ryan hosts now?

    I’m assuming Kris will probably do some New Year’s t.v. gig as well (as it seems most Idol winners in the past have done so), but I haven’t heard/seen anything definite on this yet.

    And that’s a big coup for Adam to be on the Barbara Walters’ special — although I wonder what the viewing demographic for that special has been in the past?

  • glitter

    http://www.billboard.com/#/features/adam-lambert-the-billboard-cover-story-video-1004044836.story

    The cover image (which is small) is left of Adam’s first video on the page. Kris and Adam are featured.

  • Mila

    Are both Kris and Adam going to be on the cover of Billboard? Because this article is headlined ‘Kris Allen: The Billboard Cover Q&A’ 

    Seems so Girlygirl! Thats great for both of them! Have you seem the pic of the cover?Its nice!

  • tinawina

    That was the only other season I wached prior to season 7 and I liked it, mainly because of Fantasia (JHud was in that season too). The best singers that year were black females and they kind of dominated the top 10. If that caused tension with people then I’m really glad I wasn’t visiting the Idol boards then.

    I used to drop in to the official boards from time to time, and man, it was NASTY. The things that were said were unbelievable. And they were still mad over Rueben as well, so the racial comments were off the charts. I just lurked because of it, and after awhile I just stopped going. Until I found mjs 2 years later I thought idol fans were batshit crazy racists. LOL

  • Squirrely

    Barbara Walters Most Fascinating People and *closer* at the AMAs:

    And Rockin’ New Year’s Eve!!!!

    I really don’t understand why I am so happy to the point where I want to cry for a complete stranger.

  • http://www.planetfierce.proboards.com rowenaaine

    mmb
    11/20/2009 at 3:01 pm

    Adam is so telegenic. It’s going to be a visual launch,’  Corson says.

    Interesting that the Billboard article talks of his ‘campaign’  and ‘launch’  beginning with the AMAs’ ¦

    IKR? I believe that was a theory put forth by our very own Q3 quite awhile ago…and it was debated hotly as either RCA not paying attention to Adam properly or making a mistake. I guess we’ll see if it pays off. But just sayin’ – Q3 knows her stuff. I’m always impressed by what she brings to the table. (She writes the Daily Planet over on Planet Fierce – I literally trust her with the biggest focal point of the forum.)

  • lucy

    I really don’t understand why I am so happy to the point where I want to cry for a complete stranger.

    Neither do I, but the Billboard article seems to have this effect.

    Of course, now I’m worried for him, too. And I wasn’t, up to now. Rats.

    Interesting, though, to have confirmation that they are going for marketing “the package” (so to speak!) including the visuals and so forth. The new world of marketing actually is here and they’re trying it out with Adam, it appears.

  • Tamarynd

    Nobody seems to know for sure but speculation is he’s doing a cover of ‘The Riddle’  by Five For Fighting:

    Thank you for the link, ozarka. I’ll check this out when I get home.

  • tinawina

    Idols typically do New Years Eve shows, but Barbara Walters is impressive! Congrats Adam!

  • Squirrely

    http://www.billboard.com/#/features/adam-lambert-the-billboard-cover-story-video-1004044836.story

    The cover image (which is small) is left of Adam’s first video on the page. Kris and Adam are featured.

    For some reason I can’t open this link – dang! I’ll try when I go home in oh another few hours :(

  • BeckyMD

    From the billboard article:

    One of them, “Whataya Want From Me” (written by Pink, Max Martin and Johan Shellbeck), will likely be the next single.

    Internationally, Corson says the label intends to break Lambert first in the United Kingdom and Japan.

  • LindaT

    mmb
    11/20/2009 at 3:01 pm
    ‘Adam is so telegenic. It’s going to be a visual launch,’  Corson says.

    Interesting that the Billboard article talks of his ‘campaign’  and ‘launch’  beginning with the AMAs’ ¦

    So, there is a plan after all. No need to worry any more! :)

  • Sydia

    Wow…the fanfware for Adam is unprecedented. I mean color me (it supposed to be surprised), but I will say officially jealous. I will admit it. Why? Why? I would understand next year if Adam really pulled off the major hits, and sales, but now? He didn’t even win AI! His record label, and management team must have insight into something major. He probably has close to…I don’t know a million pre-sales for his CD…wow just wow. First the AMA, then People’s Choice(with no hit on the radio, must I add), the New Year’s thing, and Most Fascintating People thing. Holy crap. This is an idol’s fan dream come true…really. I am ranting. I just can’t believe it…what has he done?

  • Squirrely

    I guess they wanted the album available before they started their launch? That’s good thinking.

  • lucy

    Internationally, Corson says the label intends to break Lambert first in the United Kingdom and Japan.

    Japan will go crazy for him, I expect. They love glam and emo and all that stuff, and they also seem to love great voices.

  • tinawina

    He probably has close to’ ¦I don’t know a million pre-sales for his CD’ ¦

    I seriously doubt that. If he got 100,000 of those that would be fantastic.

    I just can’t believe it’ ¦what has he done?

    I have no idea. LOL. But he sure is riding that wave!

  • Kirsten

    So, there is a plan after all.

    There is always a plan. A plan with contigencies. And, if plan A isn’t working, you move onto plan B. And sometimes, plan C.

    I haven’t seen anybody claim that their isn’t a plan. Just debates about what the plan is and how well it’s working. I must say that I think it would be a risky plan to want your debut single to be losing spins and falling down the chart rankings in the 60s the week you release your album, but perhaps it’s playing possum. Go Possum!

  • lucy

    First the AMA, then People’s Choice(with no hit on the radio, must I add), the New Year’s thing, and Most Fascintating People thing. Holy crap. This is an idol’s fan dream come true’ ¦really. I am ranting. I just can’t believe it’ ¦what has he done?

    Honestly, I think that part of it doesn’t relate to Adam as much as it relates to some record labels believing that in this new world of easily stealable music they have to market people more broadly — as brands, as visual phenomena as well as aural, etc. — to have a shot at earning money.

    You just can’t earn that much just selling music any more, and they have to find a new way.

    And one possible new way is this “market the person as a brand so that you can sell as much artist-related stuff and events and so on as possible.” And “marketing a person as a brand” only works when you put the person out there as a phenomenon, as somebody people might want to know, etc. …. Can’t just put them out as a singer.

    And Adam is kind of a natural for this, because he has a grabber of a sexy back story and is a very visual performer.

  • http://www.planetfierce.proboards.com/ CindyM

    And that’s a big coup for Adam to be on the Barbara Walters’ special ‘” although I wonder what the viewing demographic for that special has been in the past?

    What does demographic matter?? All age groups spend money and I doubt any Idol would turn it down!! Wheeeeeeeeeeeeee!!!!

  • unique28v

    That’s very cool that Adam is going to be on New Year’s Rockin’ Eve. Is that the one Ryan hosts now?

    Yes. Its the one with Ryan Seacrest.

  • alaadam

    Awwwwwwwwww! So happy to see Kris finally get a mag cover! They both look so good.

  • Mila

    Wow’ ¦the fanfware for Adam is unprecedented. I mean color me (it supposed to be surprised), but I will say officially jealous. I will admit it. Why? Why? I would understand next year if Adam really pulled off the major hits, and sales, but now? He didn’t even win AI! His record label, and management team must have insight into something major. He probably has close to’ ¦I don’t know a million pre-sales for his CD’ ¦wow just wow. First the AMA, then People’s Choice(with no hit on the radio, must I add), the New Year’s thing, and Most Fascintating People thing. Holy crap. This is an idol’s fan dream come true’ ¦really. I am ranting. I just can’t believe it’ ¦what has he done?

    As any other new artist, Adam has potential to be succesful. They probably see a lot of potential in him. No previous accomplishments are necessary for both Kris and Adam.

  • girlygirl

    Adam isn’t going to have anywhere close to 1 million sales in pre-orders of his album. That’s overestimating him JUST a tad — especially if you go off his singles sales. Think 100,000-125,000 in presales — not 1 million. In fact 100,000 in presales is probably too high…lots of people will probably until the album actually drops to buy it

  • http://www.planetfierce.proboards.com/ CindyM

    Last year’s Barbara Walters special aired on December 4th. I would imagine it will be around the same time this year!

  • Squirrely

    Awwwwwwwwww! So happy to see Kris finally get a mag cover! They both look so good.

    I just saw it on Gossip Candy – that looks photoshopped – thought they were posing together. But, hey a cover is a cover and it’s Billboard so I’m still happy.

  • BeckyMD

    There is always a plan. A plan with contigencies. And, if plan A isn’t working, you move onto plan B. And sometimes, plan C.

    The billboard article interviewed Adam immediately after 2012 premiere on 11/4, just shortly after FYE debut on 10/30, and my read of the article is that billboard was informed about FYE promotion plan at the same day or earlier. So the plan – promoting FYE after AMA – doesn’t sound to me a plan B after a flip of plan A.

  • girlygirl

    I’m still going to be surprised if Adam closes the AMAs. There’s no attribution to this statement in the Billboard story. Where did they get this information?

  • glitter

    He means that literally-“Dick Clark’s Rockin’ New Year’s Eve With Ryan Seacrest” is one of the TV appearances lined up for Lambert in the coming months; the campaign starts Nov. 22 with his show-closing performance at the American Music Awards.

    This is where it is surmised that Adam will close the AMA’s. Not sure if it’s true or has been changed.

  • BeckyMD

    First the AMA, then People’s Choice(with no hit on the radio, must I add), the New Year’s thing, and Most Fascintating People thing.

    Adam will be on the premiere of George Clooney’s new movie “Up in the Air” (next month I think), and that Steven Spielberg honorary conference.

  • Squirrely

    Last year’s Barbara Walters special aired on December 4th. I would imagine it will be around the same time this year!

    I always thought it was shown before the award shows, or is that just the Oscar one she does?

  • windmills

    I’m still going to be surprised if Adam closes the AMAs. There’s no attribution to this statement in the Billboard story. Where did they get this information?

    Billboard usually gets peeks into the promo schedules of the people they’re writing articles about so I’d say if Billboard’s reporting it then it’s true.

    Having Adam close the AMAs is a way of keeping the curiosity factor alive. I think for these awards shows the ratings usually sag the last hour (the biggest rated hour is the 9-10pm slot) but they’re probably thinking that putting Adam on last is the way to try to keep the curious people tuned in that late. IMO it’s not quite like having the pimp slot on AI because on AI the ratings would always go up the last 30 minutes of the show. This is more the AMAs using Adam but he’ll also benefit in that they’ll hype his performance throughout the show.

  • LaurelG

    So the plan ‘“ promoting FYE after AMA ‘“ doesn’t sound to me a plan B after a flip of plan A.

    Exactly! I seriously doubt they’ve already moved on to some contingency plan as so many have suggested.

    Did anyone else catch that he gave the second, post-TfM interview in Simon Fuller’s office? I guess they do all the interviews in there – the guy must never use it.

  • gangreen29

    IMO it’s not quite like having the pimp slot on AI because on AI the ratings would always go up the last 30 minutes of the show. This is more the AMAs using Adam but he’ll also benefit in that they’ll hype his performance throughout the show.

    Yeah, closing the show to me is indicitive of the fan support Adam has, which the AMA’s are hoping to get to stick around till the end. Ratings usually are the highest somewhere in the middle of the show, so while there will be a lot of hype for Adam, he would have had more viewers if he were on earlier. I also think the speculation that if they run long some of his performance might get cut off is true. It would create controversy too, and I’m sure the AMA would love some controversy.

  • saga

    I also think the speculation that if they run long some of his performance might get cut off is true. It would create controversy too, and I’m sure the AMA would love some controversy.

    There is no way they are cutting ANY performances. Artists invest a lot on these shows, so they must be ensured a spot.

    You don’t hire 20 dancers and then get cut. Just won’t happen.

  • mmb
  • gangreen29

    There is no way they are cutting ANY performances. Artists invest a lot on these shows, so they must be ensured a spot.

    You don’t hire 20 dancers and then get cut. Just won’t happen.

    I didn’t mean cut the performance, I meant start rolling credits during the performance, I’ve seen that before but on stupid awards like the Billboard awards I think. The more I thought about it though Im sure they actually end with an award, so the issue is moot anyway.

  • http://www.planetfierce.proboards.com/ CindyM

    I also think the speculation that if they run long some of his performance might get cut off is true. It would create controversy too, and I’m sure the AMA would love some controversy.

    Never seen an awards show cut for time. Never. As much as they’re hyping Adam on their commercials can’t see that happening. However, maybe he’s just the show-closing performance. Isn’t the last thing on these shows the record of the year award?? That’s what everyone waits for. I also don’t agree about his audience would be higher earlier in the show. The major categories are always towards the end of these award shows.

  • cookcricket

    The last two Idols that Jive signed (Jordin and Archie) got paired up with other artists to tour. Perhaps they will do the same with Kris (John Mayer, please). Jordin toured with Alicia Keyes for her first album and Brit for her second. Archie toured with Disney artist Demi Lovato.

    Oh, oh me too!! Please!! Do you think there is a possibility? This would be amazing.

  • Kirsten

    and my read of the article is that billboard was informed about FYE promotion plan at the same day or earlier. So the plan ‘“ promoting FYE after AMA ‘“ doesn’t sound to me a plan B after a flip of plan A.

    The article says that FYE, the single, is “now being worked on Top 40 and Hot AC radio”. It also mentions that “Whattaya Want from Me” will likely be the next single when we’ve had OHP, Z100 and KISS-LA all call it the new single/next single/latest already. So, that already looks like a bit of a change in the plan to me.

    Also, I think when they talk about the promo campaign they mean for the Album. Usually, television appearances are used to launch the album.

    There is nothing wrong with changing plans. It happens all the time. If RiRi can change plans, why not other artists?

  • GaGaGlambert

    Wow! Dick Clark’s Rockin’ New Year’s Eve With Ryan Seacrest, Barbara Walters Most Fascinating People 2009 and closer at the AMAs? I love Adam and have the upmost confidence in his choices, but my brain is on fire ‘“ no, it just melted! Want confirmation on all these a.s.a.p.

    Adam’s tour is going to be interesting. Opening for someone? Solo? What size venue? With the kind of expose and publicity he’ll be getting, I’m not sure what to think.

    Lady Gaga just sold out four nights at Radio City Music Hall in NYC @ 5,900 seats per night. A year ago, that wouldn’t have happened.

    Headlining, Adam could easily fill the absolutely beautiful Beacon Theater @2,900 seats in NYC or even Radio City.

    Does GMA even have a clue as to what’s going to happen next week getting fans into a @700 seat venue?

    Any thoughts?

  • Squirrely

    Perhaps they will do the same with Kris (John Mayer, please). Jordin toured with Alicia Keyes for her first album and Brit for her second. Archie toured with Disney artist Demi Lovato.

    Oh, oh me too!! Please!! Do you think there is a possibility? This would be amazing.

    That just may happen their on the same schedule with promoting a new album. Anything is possible.

  • gangreen29

    However, maybe he’s just the show-closing performance. Isn’t the last thing on these shows the record of the year award??

    Now that I thought about it I think your right about this.

    I also don’t agree about his audience would be higher earlier in the show. The major categories are always towards the end of these award shows.

    The major awards are on later but there are a lot less viewers watching TV at that hour, I know for most awards viewership peaks around the 9 oclock hour, and then dips until it rebounds toward the end.

  • Squirrely

    Does GMA even have a clue as to what’s going to happen next week getting fans into a @700 seat venue?

    Has it been filled?

  • universal

    http://www.hitfix.com/blogs/2008-12-6-the-beat-goes-on/posts/review-is-adam-lambert-s-for-your-entertainment-too-over-the-top

    This quote from the review reminded me that Adam has said that WWFM can be interpreted as speaking about a relationship between lovers or about a relationship between him and his fans:

    ‘Whataya Want from Me,’  co-written by Pink, has the perfect summation of how he views his fans: ‘I’m a freak/thanks for loving me/you’re doing it perfectly.’ 

    And people were worried that he doesn’t thank his fans in the liner notes… He does it in a song instead! ;)

  • Squirrely

    If RiRi can change plans, why not other artists?

    Who’s RiRi? Aretha Franklin?

  • GaGaGlambert

    Does GMA even have a clue as to what’s going to happen next week getting fans into a @700 seat venue?

    Has it been filled?

    Squirrley, that’s an interesting question. From what I gather, even though GMA sent confirmation emails out, it is still first come, first serve. From what I’ve read on other sites, with or without confirmation, fans are going to be flocking to the theatre.

    I have a confirmation email, but am not at all confident it means a thing.

  • Kirsten

    Who’s RiRi? Aretha Franklin?

    Rhianna.

  • Tess

    Barbara Walters Most Fascinating People has been running for years…and a quick look back is very interesting indeed. Politicians, Royalty, Entertainment stars and moguls, Business types, first ladies and presidents. And no idol has been interviewed up to this point.

    C’mn folks this isn’t a twinky dink little bit of fluff….these are people that are “fascinating” and have caught the attention of the American People. I think that this is a very nice feather in Adam’s cap….and not for his talent but because of who he is as a person!

  • Squirrely

    Actually Jennifer Hudson was interviewed before the Oscars – not sure if it was ‘fascinating people’ or not but BW did interview her. I don’t know of anyone else and I’m very excited for Adam.

  • windmills

    I also don’t agree about his audience would be higher earlier in the show.

    That’s just the way the ratings go. Proof is in the pudding. Here are the AMA numbers from 2007 from Marc Berman of Mediaweek. The last number is the number of viewers:

    11/18/07
    8:00 ABC 6.7/10 4.0/10 10,563,000
    8:30 ABC 7.4/11 4.6/11 11,821,000
    9:00 ABC 8.2/12 5.3/12 13,254,000
    9:30 ABC 7.8/12 5.2/12 12,654,000
    10:00 ABC 7.4/12 5.1/13 11,985,000
    10:30 ABC 6.8/12 4.5/12 10,597,000

    I don’t have the viewership numbers for 2008 but these are household shares that show the same pattern for the AMAs. These are also from Marc Berman of Mediaweek.

    11/23/08

    ABC Lost some steam without its regularly scheduled Sunday line-up of America’s Funniest Home Videos, Extreme Makeover: Home Edition, Desperate Housewives and Brothers & Sisters. In their place was The 36th Annual American Music Awards at a still comfortable 7.9/12 from 8-11 p.m. Compared to it’s year-ago telecast (7.7/12 on Nov. 17, 2007), that was an increase of three percent. Here is the half-hour breakdown:

    American Music Awards

    8:00 p.m.: 7.9/12 (#2t)
    8:30 p.m.: 8.0/12 (#2)
    9:00 p.m.: 8.5/13 (#2)
    9:30 p.m.: 8.1/12 (#2)
    10:00 p.m.: 7.8/12 (#2)
    10:30 p.m.: 7.1/12 (#2)

    As far as the prestige factor the awards at the AMAs are silly – a popularity contest with even less prestige now that it’s an online vote (and I say this as someone who’s a fan of many artists who’ve won them). There’s no most prestigious award to save for the end because none of the awards are prestigious.

  • Mary102

    Squirrley, that’s an interesting question. From what I gather, even though GMA sent confirmation emails out, it is still first come, first serve. From what I’ve read on other sites, with or without confirmation, fans are going to be flocking to the theatre.

    I have a confirmation email, but am not at all confident it means a thing.

    The confirmation email means nothing, unfortunately. I got one today from the ABC lady (Samantha Green – met her on Tuesday, very fun cool lady), and it said “it is still first come, first serve”, regardless of whether you got a confirmation.

  • gangreen29

    And no idol has been interviewed up to this point.

    Not true, Jennifer Hudson was one of the ten most fascinating of 2007. Why would you say that and not even check first?

    Thanks windmills, I knew I saw those numbers before but I couldn’t find them.

  • http://www.planetfierce.proboards.com rowenaaine

    So, now the AMAs are silly. If any other “Idol” were closing the show, would we be saying it’s

    a) silly and
    b) too bad he’s on when part of the viewership has already turned the show off?

    ETA: And wasn’t Jennifer Hudson interviewed on Barbara Walters’ Oscar special, not the most fascinating people? Jennifer was nominated for an Oscar. Adam is being interviewed before he’s even accomplished an award-worthy performance.

  • Mary102

    As far as the prestige factor the awards at the AMAs are silly ‘“ a popularity contest with even less prestige now that it’s an online vote (and I say this as someone who’s a fan of many artists who’ve won them). There’s no most prestigious award to save for the end because none of them are prestigious.

    To tell you the truth, it seems like the AMAs (and a lot of these shows, now that I think of it) are much more about the performances than the awards. I think a lot of people are tuning in to see Janet Jackson, Gaga, Jay-Z, Adam (tee-hee), etc. – not to find out who best break through rock band in plaid shirts is this year.

  • GaGaGlambert

    The confirmation email means nothing, unfortunately. I got one today from the ABC lady (Samantha Green ‘“ met her on Tuesday, very fun cool lady), and it said ‘it is still first come, first serve’ , regardless of whether you got a confirmation.

    Mary102, thanks. Are you going? You saw Kris, right?

  • tierbee

    So, now the AMAs are silly.

    Well, they *are* silly. But I’d still like David Cook to be on there, lol.

  • Tess

    gangreen29
    11/20/2009 at 4:25 pm

    Thank you for the correction…that is the year I couldn’t find a printed list and obviously overlooked Jennifer. But, I will also say she got the honor because of her Academy Award, after all AI fans didn’t think she was good enough either since she didn’t even make the top four.

  • Sassycatz

    Ha. Maybe RCA is banking on the world ending in 2012!

  • windmills

    So, now the AMAs are silly.

    No. I said the awards at the AMAs are silly. I said that back when there was some angst about David Cook not being nominated even though I’m indifferent about him and I said that even though 2 of my faves (Kelly and Carrie) have both won multiple AMAs. The awards are dumb- not the show. Not the opportunity to promote yourself with a good live performance on the show which I’m sure Adam will be giving.

    b) too bad he’s on when part of the viewership has already turned the show off?

    When did anybody say that? I said the AMAs were using Adam’s performance to bump up the late ratings and he’d benefit because they’d be hyping his performance throughout the evening. I was also pointing out this is different than the AI pimp spot because of the ratings things but it’s just MHO.

    To tell you the truth, it seems like the AMAs (and a lot of these shows, now that I think of it) are much more about the performances than the awards. I think a lot of people are tuning in to see Janet Jackson, Gaga, Jay-Z, Adam (tee-hee), etc. ‘“ not to find out who best break through rock band in plaid shirts is this year.

    Mary102 ICAM.

  • wellhesback

    Apparently, David Cook’s New Year eve concert date is sold out.. I wish just doing a little wishful checking.

  • http://www.planetfierce.proboards.com rowenaaine

    windmills
    11/20/2009 at 4:33 pm
    b) too bad he’s on when part of the viewership has already turned the show off?

    When did anybody say that? I said the AMAs were using Adam’s performance to bump up the late ratings and he’d benefit because they’d be hyping his performance throughout the evening.

    I didn’t mean you specifically, windmills. I’m sorry if I gave that impression. I believe I read someone post that his performance might wind up with credits rolling over it if it ran over the allotted time. LOL

  • tinawina

    If any other ‘Idol’  were closing the show, would we be saying it’s

    a) silly and
    b) too bad he’s on when part of the viewership has already turned the show off?

    Yes. Someone would say that. That’s how it works.

  • BestAI

    ANTHROGEEK, ANTHROGEEK, where are you?

    Barbara Walters.

  • girlygirl

    some more from behind the scenes of the Elle shoot, including video interviews with Adam, Kris and Allison

    http://ow.ly/E8i3

  • http://www.planetfierce.proboards.com/ CindyM

    gangreen29
    11/20/2009 at 4:25 pm
    And no idol has been interviewed up to this point.

    Not true, Jennifer Hudson was one of the ten most fascinating of 2007. Why would you say that and not even check first?

    You’re right, she was on the 2007 list. She definitely wasn’t chosen on the list because of her time on Idol though. It’s barely a mention in the writeup on her for it, except how her loss spurred her on.

    http://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/story?id=3948323&page=2

  • Niall

    ALL awards shows are silly because it’s always some sector of Hollywood patting itself on the back. BUT having a performance on the AMA’s is far from silly. If this doesn’t sell Adam’s cd nothing will (but this will, fans shouldn’t worry). There are thousands of artists who would give their right arm to get this type of exposure on the eve of their album release. RCA and 19 are making good decisions.

  • girlygirl

    Wait…since when are the AMAs voted on by fans? I thought these were voted on by fellow musicians. It’s the People’s Choice Awards that are voted on by fans. Is this a new thing with the AMAs that the fans get to vote?

    Anyway, here’s more news on Kris:

    Logochannel tweeted this about their interview with him:

    Logochannel
    #@redcoloredstars We’re gonna have the @KrisAllen video interview post up Monday. Sooo cute! He’s great! We’ll keep you posted! -John
    40 minutes ago from web in reply to redcoloredstars

    It’ll be interesting to see what they asked him about.

    Also, there is an interview with him on VH1.com’s site somewhere but I can’t find it right now. They’ve got it posted on ontd_ai but didn’t give a link for the source. If anyonecan find the link, I’d appreciate it if you can post it!

    And if anyone is up early Saturday morning, don’t forget Kris is going to be on VH1’s Top 20 countdown (9 a.m. Eastern/6 a.m. Pacific). He is either co-hosting it or they are itnerviewing him — not sure which.

  • gangreen29

    And wasn’t Jennifer Hudson interviewed on Barbara Walters’ Oscar special, not the most fascinating people? Jennifer was nominated for an Oscar.

    She was interviewed then, but also was part of the 2007 most fascinating where JK Rowling was #1, so no you’re wrong.

  • adamisthemanfan

    He probably has close to’ ¦I don’t know a million pre-sales for his CD’ ¦wow just wow.

    You know, I really hope you are right; this would be a really good thing. I mean to be consistently in the top on Amazon’s preoders and also sell on Itunes is no small feat. It means his album is highly anticipated and frankly to get all of these top-notch gigs you have to be getting major support from the right people.
    I guess its because they know he is a stellar live performer as well…
    I really wish him the very best. I think that we (meaning his fans) feel that he is the only artist in a long time that genuinely deserves success.

    Think 100,000-125,000 in presales ‘” not 1 million. In fact 100,000 in presales is probably too high’ ¦lots of people will probably until the album actually drops to buy it

    I really dont think so, otherwise the album would have had a major drop in sales but it hasnt its still holding on (especially on Amazon) which means ppl keep buying it and actually I think that his single sales are low because ppl are buying the album.
    I bought the deluxe version from AO and Itunes and as a result received FYE and I bought TFM because I thought it wouldnt be on his album. I didnt buy Allison’s single for the same reason…
    I mean I could be wrong but I think he could sell over 100k his first week if they count his presales.

  • Hazehel

    Apparently, David Cook’s New Year eve concert date is sold out.. I wish just doing a little wishful checking.

    Not really sure what you mean there, but it is not sold out yet.

    I really dont think so, otherwise the album would have had a major drop in sales but it hasnt its still holding on (especially on Amazon) which means ppl keep buying it

    I think it really needs to be stressed that Amazon doesn’t sell a lot a CDs. David Cook’s Analog Heart reached number 1 on Amazon and it sold only 900 that week.

  • Mary102

    Mary102, thanks. Are you going? You saw Kris, right?

    I’m going to try and go to the GMA show. And yes, I did go out for Kris (lol to that – I make the trip for Kris and not Adam – bad Adam fan am I ;-)) But Kris was awesome, and it was sooo worth it!

  • wellhesback

    I think that we (meaning his fans) feel that he is the only artist in a long time that genuinely deserves success.

    I can’t believe you really mean this. I was no fan of Archuleta’s style of music but I genuinely think he deserves success.

    ETA = DC NY eve not sold out yet? Looks like I’ll do a little more checking into this.

  • tinawina

    If this doesn’t sell Adam’s cd nothing will (but this will, fans shouldn’t worry). There are thousands of artists who would give their right arm to get this type of exposure on the eve of their album release.

    I’ve been wondering about that. Will it sell the CD or the song? Both are good news, of course. But how many people will download a whole album from a new entity? Unless it is a Ricky Martin type epic performance. Then again, perhaps there will be a significant number of Idol watchers among the viewers who will know who he is and download if they like what they hear. If he really is going last, maybe there will be so much buildup that if he delivers, people will be caught up in the moment? I dunno. Either way, it’s hard to lose with that level of exposure.

    I wonder if he’ll do a mash up of a couple of songs? Hmm….

  • Mary102

    ALL awards shows are silly because it’s always some sector of Hollywood patting itself on the back.

    LOL to this – the Oscars have been a joke for awhile as far as I’m concerned (though occassionally they get it right). And that’s the freaking Oscars!

  • http://www.planetfierce.proboards.com/ CindyM

    girlygirl
    11/20/2009 at 4:55 pm
    Wait’ ¦since when are the AMAs voted on by fans? I thought these were voted on by fellow musicians. It’s the People’s Choice Awards that are voted on by fans. Is this a new thing with the AMAs that the fans get to vote?

    The American Music Awards have always been voted on by the public. A committee comes up with the nominees, but it’s always been a fan vote.

    From Wiki: While the Grammy Awards are awarded based on votes by members of the entertainment industry, the AMAs are determined by a poll of music buyers, and as a result is more of a representative of public opinion.The “big three” established awards shows (AMAs, Billboard Music Awards, and Grammy Awards) compete for prestige and television ratings, with the Grammy Awards nominally rewarding quality and both the AMAs and Billboard Music Awards rewarding popularity.
    Also, the American Music Awards have nominations based on sales and airplay (even if the album is old), while the Grammys only nominate albums from their eligibility period.

  • Mary102

    Another thing to keep in mind, I often don’t even catch these award shows live, but I’ll get all the highlights online the next day from all the entertainment sites. So even if people miss the live performance, for whatever reason, more people will be exposed to it online after the fact.

  • http://www.planetfierce.proboards.com/ CindyM

    I really dont think so, otherwise the album would have had a major drop in sales but it hasnt its still holding on (especially on Amazon) which means ppl keep buying it and actually I think that his single sales are low because ppl are buying the album.

    Amazon and other presellers, including ITunes, are a small portion of the album buying market. That’s one thing I’ve learned on this blog. Most CD’s are sold in the WalMarts, Targets etc in the form of physical cds. So, I’m not counting on anything from presales at all.

  • tinawina

    I really dont think so, otherwise the album would have had a major drop in sales but it hasnt its still holding on (especially on Amazon) which means ppl keep buying it and actually I think that his single sales are low because ppl are buying the album.

    Single sales could be low-ish because people are buying the album, sure. But still, 1,000,000 in presales is insane. That ain’t happening.

    I think 100,000 would be extremely, record setting type high. Wasn’t there a list posted not to long ago of Amazon’s top presales? That should tell us a lot.

  • ozarka

    There is word now that the set list posted by Instant Encore for Archie’s Ann Arbor concert is not accurate. According to someone who spoke to the Executive Director of the Ann Arbor Symphony Orchestra, the actual set list includes (among others): Zero Gravity, A Thousand Miles, Crush, To Be With You, and Fields of Gold by Eva Cassidy. Songs from his Christmas album will include Angels We Have Heard On High, Riu Riu Chiu, Pat-a-pan, What Child Is This, Ave Maria, and possibly O Holy Night. There will also be other numbers performed by the orchestra which will be strictly instrumental.

  • gangreen29

    I think that we (meaning his fans) feel that he is the only artist in a long time that genuinely deserves success.

    What?!? Do you really think Adam is the only singer deserving success? Come one, that is ridiculous.

  • adamisthemanfan

    As any other new artist, Adam has potential to be succesful. They probably see a lot of potential in him.

    Maybe Im being too cynical but I just dont peg record execs as to be so noble and caring that they market Adam out of the goodness of their hearts because he has potential. There has to be something else there.

  • http://www.planetfierce.proboards.com/ CindyM

    Well, it’s confirmed that Adam’s keyboardist is Lisa Harriton.

    http://hipstersunited.com/blog/archives/2009/11/lisa-harriton-for-your-entertainment.html

    Her bio: Lisa Rae Harriton (born 18 November 1980 in London) is an English rock musician, who became a touring keyboardist and back-up vocalist with the alternative rock band, The Smashing Pumpkins in 2007. She is also a singer/songwriter serving up a soulful blend of pop infused with jazz and world influences.[citation needed] Her music ranges from introspective ballads to infectious grooves, which she leads from the keyboard. Harriton began working as a studio singer at age 8 on dates for Disney, Integrity Media and Word Records. She sang the preproduction duet vocals on Rod Stewart’s ‘Great American Songbook.’ 

    So Monte Pittman – Prong/Madonna
    Longineu Parsons – Yellowcard
    Lisa Harriton – Smashing Pumpkins
    Tommy Jo Ratliffe – Can’t find much info

    Not too shabby!

  • wellhesback

    gangreen – that was the comment that floored me earlier.

  • http://www.planetfierce.proboards.com/ CindyM

    Single sales could be low-ish because people are buying the album, sure. But still, 1,000,000 in presales is insane. That ain’t happening.

    Okay, can we please note here that the 1,000,000 in presales was a sarcastic remark made by a fan of another Idol who said he/she was surprised about all the promo before it gets all out of control and becomes an Adam fan pronouncement???

  • http://www.twilightslo.com Mateja

    YOUR WEAKEND TOP 12 CHART PREVIEW: John Mayer should easily top next week’s album chart with a total kissin’ close to that of his last studio effort in 2006. Lest we forget, boys and girls, that’s something to brag about these days. Andrea Bocelli will likely be the #2 album next week, as his Christmas release continues to pick up steam. The rest of the Top 5 could land in any order, as Norah Jones, 50 Cent and Casting Crowns all look to land in about the same area code. But given that this is the weekend before Thanksgiving, don’t fall out of your chair if sales pick up and make it a race for #2 on Monday. But that’s three days away’ ¦
    * John Mayer (Columbia) 290-315k
    Andrea Bocelli (Decca) 190-200k
    * Norah Jones (Blue Note) 150-160k
    * 50 Cent (Aftermath/Interscope) 140-150k
    * Casting Crowns (Provident/Reunion) 140-150k
    * Justin Bieber (Island/IDJ) 110-120k
    Michael Jackson‘s This Is It (Epic) 95-105k
    Carrie Underwood (19/Arista Nashville) 90-100k
    * Kris Allen (19/RCA/RMG) 85-90k
    Taylor Swift Fearless (Big Machine) 85-90k
    Twilight Saga: New Moon (Chop Shop/Atlantic) 75-80k
    * Them Crooked Vultures (Interscope) 70-75k
    * Denotes debut
    You may now return to wondering why five of the names in this item are boldfaced twice. (11/20a)

    Source: HDD

  • http://www.planetfierce.proboards.com/ CindyM

    adamisthemanfan
    11/20/2009 at 5:02 pm
    I think that we (meaning his fans) feel that he is the only artist in a long time that genuinely deserves success.

    Umm, I’m an Adam fan all the way, but you don’t speak for me or for I would expect the majority of Adam fans, regarding that quote. I personally think all the American Idol people deserve success, they are all talented SINGERS and have worked hard to get where they are. It’s fine to speak to your beliefs, but please don’t try to categorize all fans as feeling that way.

  • adamisthemanfan

    I think it really needs to be stressed that Amazon doesn’t sell a lot a CDs. David Cook’s Analog Heart reached number 1 on Amazon and it sold only 900 that week.

    Ok but who else was selling that week? You have to take into account that Adam was and is competing with some major established artists (and so is kris)…Oprah mentioned it on her show, therefore its important. :)
    I realize the one mil mark is extremely high for presales but its not impossible…
    this is 2009. Actual physical Cds barely sell anymore. Presales through Itunes and Amazon flourished only recently and its a good commodity.

    I think that we (meaning his fans) feel that he is the only artist in a long time that genuinely deserves success.

    I can’t believe you really mean this. I was no fan of Archuleta’s style of music but I genuinely think he deserves success.

    Sorry, I didnt express myself right. I meant that he has worked and struggled for a long time to make it in the music industry and compared with ppl who have overnight success I feel he has earned his place in todays music scene.
    He is not an amateur like most AI contestants or some fabricated shtick like Britney Spears.

  • wellhesback

    “He is not an amateur like most AI contestants or some fabricated shtick like Britney Spears.” – I guess I could say the same about David Cook, who worked and struggled for a long time to make it in the music industry. Heck you could say that about Kelly Clarkson or Taylor Hicks, for that matter.

  • jpfan

    Well if Adam has 1 million in pre sales, doesn’t that mean Susan Boyle has 2 million. Just kidding. The only accurate pre sales number I ever saw was for one of Norah Jones’ albums. She was #1 on Amazon for three months and sold 30K albums through Amazon. They actually gave out the figures

    I think Amazon posted some all time pre sale chart a while back with Susan Boyle on top. I still think Norah Jones was in their top 3 or someting. But maybe Amazon sells more albums now. I’ll guess and say off the top of my head that Adam has sold 40K or so on Amazon. Maybe SuBro has sold 70K-100K or so.

    Amazon never gives out numbers so we’ll never know.

  • adamisthemanfan

    I guess I could say the same about David Cook.

    Yes, I agree with you. David was extremely smart about his song choices and Adam has admitted he emulated David’s strategy. Thats why I said most, not all.

  • http://www.planetfierce.proboards.com rowenaaine

    gangreen29
    11/20/2009 at 5:01 pm
    And wasn’t Jennifer Hudson interviewed on Barbara Walters’ Oscar special, not the most fascinating people? Jennifer was nominated for an Oscar.

    She was interviewed then, but also was part of the 2007 most fascinating where JK Rowling was #1, so no you’re wrong.

    LOL, and thanks for pointing it out so politely. ;)

  • Truthiness

    Umm, I’m an Adam fan all the way, but you don’t speak for me or for I would expect the majority of Adam fans, regarding that quote. I personally think all the American Idol people deserve success, they are all talented SINGERS and have worked hard to get where they are. It’s fine to speak to your beliefs, but please don’t try to categorize all fans as feeling that way.

    Yeah, this Adam fan totally feels that way and yes, I would not presume to speak for all Adam fans, but I would say the majority feel that.

    And yeah, that 1,000,000 thing was not an Adam fan saying what they thought Adam was going to do, just someone who was saying that to deserve the press Adam has gotten. Thankfully again, this isn’t an Adam fan pronouncement and the vast majority of Adam fans know that this isn’t even the realms of probability. As for deserving of press? Eh, it’s the press, I don’t expect fairness or balance in it.

  • Hazehel

    Ok but who else was selling that week? You have to take into account that Adam was and is competing with some major established artists (and so is kris)’ ¦Oprah mentioned it on her show, therefore its important.
    I realize the one mil mark is extremely high for presales but its not impossible’ ¦

    OK, let me state this categorically – it is impossible. Sometimes when I want some amusement I might go to Pulse forum Jordin Sparks’ threads to read hysterical predictions from mathematically-challenged fans, but here, not so much .

  • jpfan

    I could be wrong but I think he could sell over 100k his first week if they count his presales.

    Holy Batman, Adam better sell more than that. Last year the Idol runner up sold 160K and Cook sold 280K their first week. Cook had great promo but nothing compared to what Adam is getting. 19 will crap themselves if the album doesn’t do way better than just clearing 100K. Especially because pre sales ARE included in the first week’s sales.

  • Squirrely

    I think Amazon posted some all time pre sale chart a while back with Susan Boyle on top. I still think Norah Jones was in their top 3 or someting. But maybe Amazon sells more albums now. I’ll guess and say off the top of my head that Adam has sold 40K or so on Amazon. Maybe SuBro has sold 70K-100K or so.

    When it comes to numbers, I don’t know what to think anymore.

  • tinawina

    Okay, can we please note here that the 1,000,000 in presales was a sarcastic remark made by a fan of another Idol who said he/she was surprised about all the promo before it gets all out of control and becomes an Adam fan pronouncement???

    LMAO! Holy cow, I wasn’t even thinking along the lines of whose fans said what, I was just responding to the estimate. But alrighty then.

  • saga

    Well, I have put down my prediction around 150K for Adam.

  • jpfan

    I’m going with 180-200K. Someone from S8 has to sell something. The tour was a success. It goes against logic that someone won’t benefit from that. I think Adam has older fans who will buy his albums but maybe not his singles.

  • tinawina

    Well, I have put down my prediction around 150K for Adam.

    We should do a pool for Allison, Adam and Danny. We missed to boat on Kris. That could have been fun, if one ignored all the fighting that was sure to follow. LOL. Seriously, we should all do a Season 8 prediction thread and then revisit that in a year to see how we all did.

    ETA: I’m going with 120-140K for Adam. But jpfan may be persuading me to lift that a bit. Hmmm….

  • saga

    Well, if he end up with 180-200K I’d be very pleased.

  • Truthiness

    LMAO! Holy cow, I wasn’t even thinking along the lines of whose fans said what, I was just responding to the estimate. But alrighty then.

    Yeah, that estimate is huge hyperbole, which is fine if the point was expressing the idea that Adam had too much hyperbole and disliking the hyperbole. Fair point.

    But no Adam fan I’ve ever seen, even some of the nutsier ones, has ever made that kind of estimate. Well maybe there is one, but they’re also wearing foil on their heads to keep out the mind-controlling rays of the aliens, so they obviously have some other issues going on. So let me just say no sane Adam fan would ever make such an estimate.

  • LaurelG

    If we’re talking about pre-order numbers, that would include Amazon, iTunes and AdamOfficial, correct? And maybe some other smaller outlets?

    Does anyone know how other past Idols have sold on their own fansites? Any information leaks?

  • saga

    We’re talking about the first week sale which include preorders on all outlets (yes?) and also physically sold CD’s at stores.

  • saga

    For Alison I’m guessing 60K and Danny… 80K maybe.

  • Chicagolaw

    I still think the estimate of 180-200K sounds about right for Adam. He will have a week of great exposure, black Friday, and some pretty good presales. I know Amazon doesn’t sell a lot, but Susan Boyle was, apparently, the queen of enormous presales there this year, and I would have to think that it will up everyone’s numbers at that site.

  • Truthiness

    I’m going with 180-200K. Someone from S8 has to sell something. The tour was a success. It goes against logic that someone won’t benefit from that. I think Adam has older fans who will buy his albums but maybe not his singles.

    I want what you’re smoking. I keed.

    But in all seriousness, I don’t feel there is any that is Adam going to get 180-200K. pshaw. I know Adam has huge amounts of hype yadda, and that hasn’t helped his singles. Shockingly low. He had all the supposed hype during the season and still lost. The guy is polarizing and isn’t getting anyone outside the bubble, and while yes the show did well, Adam’s album is a lot more electronic/pop than I bet most people who enjoyed him on the show or tour were expecting/like. It’s something I’ve heard a fair (and worrying) amount among casual Adam fans.

    So disappointing as it will be heralded as, I think 90-100K will be a good week for Adam. I think it’s a bit high, actually. And yes, there will be much gloating when it delivers under 100K, or maybe just 100K, by some :D Good times will be had. Good times. I plan to avoid things for quite the while if/when that happens and/or be drunk through a lot of it.

  • Trina

    So disappointing as it will be heralded as, I think 90-100K will be a good week for Adam

    I think execs at RCA and 19 would shoot themselves if he delivered that amount.

    Seriously, if Adam can’t sell 200,000 with the kind of exposure he’s getting his release week I would kill to see the reaction of those at RCA and 19, because you better believe they’re expecting at least that. He shouldn’t even be compared to other Idols because what he’s getting is NOT the average Idol roll-out. He’s being treated as an already established star and his numbers should be judged as that.

  • gemini1

    And yes, there will be much gloating when it delivers under 100K, or maybe just 100K, by some

    Why? There wasn’t “much gloating” when Kris’ numbers came out. Personally, I don’t care what Kris sales. I saw the numbers and thought- Oh shit! That makes me even more nervous for Adam.

  • LaurelG

    We’re talking about the first week sale which include preorders on all outlets (yes?) and also physically sold CD’s at stores.

    Yes, but I was focusing more on the pre-order component of that total (first week’s sales) because those are concrete numbers that RCA/19 would have access to. When everyone talks about pre-orders they only seem to mention Amazon which, as has been pointed out, may not translate into huge numbers. I was curious about the numbers from the Idol fansites, i.e. if anyone knew whether they generate significant pre-orders. Based on these threads, it seems that a significant percentage of Adam fans ordered the Collector’s Edition from AO. Any rumors on what either of the Davids sold on their sites last year?

    ETA: Now that I think about it, those would probably be considered sales as opposed to pre-orders since folks pay for them ahead of time, correct? I just wonder what those AO sales numbers are.

  • universal

    He’s being treated as an already established star and his numbers should be judged as that.

    But he isn’t an established artist. I’m going to say 140-150K. But I’m not going to be terribly surprised if it is closer to 100K.

  • saga

    He’s being treated as an already established star and his numbers should be judged as that.

    Yes, and we have just seen the previous two weeks that if you sell around 150K it’s good and over 200 is very very good and those that hit 300K are usually the winners of the week.

    Compared to established artist Kris predictions are not that bad.

  • tinawina

    For Alison I’m guessing 60K and Danny’ ¦ 80K maybe.

    I think 50K for Allison. Danny… are you talking his album or single? I don’t know when either drops, but I’m pretty sure the album is not until the spring.

    So far, Adam only has TV promo for Sunday (AMAs) and Wednesday (Letterman, GMA). Does he have something else? I’m sure there will be a huge freaking ITunes banner though.

  • jpfan

    There has never been a season of American Idol yet where someone has not sold at least one million albums. With his level of support, obviously Adam is expected to carry that banner this year. And he’ll need to sell a crap load of albums to justify his expensive promotion. RCA wouldn’t be throwing so much $ into him if they didn’t expect alot.

    Plus the album drops the week of Black Friday. That is a huge week for music sales. So to me 100K would actually be a terrible number for the album to open at.

    Cook had some fans last season who were great at crunching numbers. They even figured out HDD. I’d love to know what their predictions are.

  • saga

    So far, Adam only has TV promo for Sunday (AMAs) and Wednesday (Letterman, GMA). Does he have something else? I’m sure there will be a huge freaking ITunes banner though.

    Adam will do AMA, Letterman, GMA, Alexa Chung and Ellen. Plus bookings for radio shows are starting to show up. He is going to 2 radio shows in NY while he is there.

  • http://www.planetfierce.proboards.com/ adamaloha

    He’s being treated as an already established star and his numbers should be judged as that.

    I disagree. He’s being treated as a POTENTIAL star– and given a rollout based on that. It’s already apparent they are willing to approach Adam’s career strategically in order to position him for maximum exposure and longevity.
    The numbers will have to be decent and show positive signs for growth.. but not stratospheric.

  • retjenny

    The mail man said “are you waiting for this” as I jerked it out of his hands!

    Sorry, I am kind of speachless right now as I open my album!

  • http://www.planetfierce.proboards.com/ CindyM

    He’s being treated as an already established star and his numbers should be judged as that.

    Wait, I thought he was getting pretty much the same rollout at David Cook (actually less, no SNL for Adam) except Adam’s on the AMA’s themselves and not the preshow. He may be being treated like that, but the fact is HE’S NOT. He’s also pretty polarizing as these boards definitely show. I’m hoping for a great opening, but I’m not looking for miracles.

  • tinawina

    Alright jpfan. You are really starting to talk me into raising my expectations a tad. I’ll say 150-160K now. I still think 180-200 Kis really high. That’s likely double Kris, and he has yet to outpace Kris to that degree anywhere else. But I will go with the tour audience theory plus the one big album seller a year thing. Plus there will be one extra day of sales to count this year. So 150K could happen.

    Adam will do AMA, Letterman, GMA, Alexa Chung and Ellen. Plus bookings for radio shows are starting to show up. He is going to 2 radio shows in NY while he is there.

    All airing next week though? I’m trying to get a sense of the exposure level he’ll have opening week.

  • girlygirl

    I will predict 100-125 K for Adam’s opening week. But I really have no clue how close that will be.

    Here are a couple of reviewers who double up by covering both Kris’ and Adam’s albums in the same article.

    This first one is by someone who loved Adam, didn’t like Kris on the show, but is fairly happy with both guys’ albums

    http://www.theleafchronicle.com/article/20091120/COLUMNISTS17/911200308/1040/rss03

    This second one is from the Orange County Register, and doesn’t like either guy’s album

    http://soundcheck.freedomblogging.com/2009/11/20/kris-allen-adam-lambert-total-poseurs-on-debuts/15415/

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  • saga

    I don’t know when Alexa and Ellen will happen. I think Ellen is in december. Letterman, GMA and AMA is next week. Plus a lot of interviews ofcourse. Might be stuff we don’t know about yet though.

  • girlygirl

    Just because it’s Black Friday doesn’t necessarily equal big sales. Especially since Adam isn’t just going up against the other artists like Susan Boyle and Lady Gaga whose albums drop on the same day as his, he is also going up against John Mayer, Norah Jones, 50 Cent, etc — who will still likely sell a decent amount of albums in their 2nd week of release.

  • Kirsten

    Adam will do AMA, Letterman, GMA, Alexa Chung and Ellen.

    When is he on Regis? R&K love them some Idols. Next week, they are probably on holidays. but surely sometime after that.

    Just because it’s Black Friday doesn’t necessarily equal big sales.

    It’s normally expected to.

  • http://www.planetfierce.proboards.com/ CindyM

    Adam will do AMA, Letterman, GMA, Alexa Chung and Ellen. Plus bookings for radio shows are starting to show up. He is going to 2 radio shows in NY while he is there.

    AMA, Letterman, GMA and Alexa Chung are next week. Ellen is the week after. The Barbara Walters thing will be sometime in December if history holds. Doesn’t look like he’s getting to do Regis & Kelly like Kris.

  • ozarka

    Any rumors on what either of the Davids sold on their sites last year?

    LaurelG, neither of the Davids’ sites sold their albums directly from their official sites. Someone correct me if I’m wrong, but I think this is the first year that an Idol’s official site sold albums directly to the fans instead of going through iTunes or Amazon.

  • Trina

    Wait, I thought he was getting pretty much the same rollout at David Cook

    Far from it, and I’m sure even non DC fans will agree. Adam’s roll-out is nothing like David’s. David wasn’t all over magazine covers, he wasn’t closing out the AMA’s, he wasn’t on Ryan’s New Years Eve show, he didn’t have a single premiered on a major market station. Adam is getting more of a winners treatment than he ever got. SNL (before his album dropped no less) is a drop in the bucket. Actually Kris is the one I feel sorry for right about now.

  • girlygirl

    Anyone know what the American Music Awards luxury lounge is?

    Evidently Kris was there today, since there’s lots of photos of him at this link (including some of him with a plaid dress clad Katy). And it looks like he was getting some free swag, judging by some of the photos.

    Maybe it has something to do with the show’s rehearsals, or something to do with getting all the presenters together? IDK

    http://www.daylife.com/photo/03kw0CmfgydEK?q=Kris+Allen

  • http://www.planetfierce.proboards.com/ CindyM

    Someone correct me if I’m wrong, but I think this is the first year that an Idol’s official site sold albums directly to the fans instead of going through iTunes or Amazon.

    Did Kris’s site sell his album through KrisAllenOfficial.com??

  • http://www.planetfierce.proboards.com/ CindyM

    Maybe it has something to do with the show’s rehearsals, or something to do with getting all the presenters together? IDK

    http://www.daylife.com/photo/03kw0CmfgydEK?q=Kris+Allen

    Well, he’s certainly bringing her out to be photographed more. I wonder if it has anything to do with her acting career? I still think she’d be great on a soap opera as one of their young, blond ingenues. She’s got great soap opera hair!

  • Truthiness

    gemini1
    11/20/2009 at 6:39 pm
    And yes, there will be much gloating when it delivers under 100K, or maybe just 100K, by some

    Why? There wasn’t ‘much gloating’  when Kris’ numbers came out.Personally, I don’t care what Kris sales. I saw the numbers and thought- Oh shit! That makes me even more nervous for Adam.

    I didn’t see any gloating either, and I, like you, was just that much more nervious about Adam. But then I was one of the few that was even okay with the original number of 75-80, because while low, I do honestly think that Kris can really grow steadily over time. But yeah the upwards revision was nice and I was happy he could start that upwards trend from a higher place.

    But yeah, still stocking up on booze for next week. And Xanax. Maybe I can create a cocktail out of them?

  • Kirsten

    Anyone know what the American Music Awards luxury lounge is?

    Back in the good old days, presenters and performers on shows like the AMAs, Oscars, Emmys and Grammys would be given a HUGE basket of stuff. Everything from boots to trips to perfume to electronic stuff. Vendors would compete to have their stuff included in the baskets and all the stuff was donated. They would do this in hopes that a star might be seen wearing their boots and because the press typically reported what was in the baskets. These baskets costed in the 10s of thousands of dollars. Some topped 6 figures.

    Then, disaster struck! [play music of doom and horror]

    The IRS decided that all those gifts were taxable. Since the stars threw out most or the gifts or never cashed in most of the gift certificates, they had no interest in paying taxes on them. So, a compromise was introduced: Gifting Suites. So, now the stars trundle down to these gifting suites and go shopping, for free. They still have to pay the taxes, but now they only have to pay taxes on the gifts they decide they want to have. Basically, it’s free stuff to people who don’t need free stuff, for advertising purposes.

    Nice work if you can get it.

    And that’s where Kris and Katy were photographed.

  • Chicagolaw

    Adam has a lot of hype around his album, even my mom who follows absolutely nothing AI and doesn’t do message boards has heard through the media that the album is out next week. His singles–as of now–have no hype. I don’t think the iTunes single sales are reflective of what will happen with Adam’s album sales at all. While he isn’t going to pull in 250K, I think he will do better than many are expecting. I also think RCA sees a lot of room for continued growth with the album—I think they are planning on keeping Adam front and center for the foreseeable future. And, the album is getting good reviews ( great reviews when you consider it is an AI album) which helps longterm.

  • Squirrely

    Are we talking world wide sales or just in the US?

  • Chicagolaw

    Adding here, because I can’t get the edit to work. You can bet there will be gloating from every direction (except, probably, Kris fans :) ) if he doesn’t sell 100K. And the media that seems to love him so much now will rip him to shreds.

  • girlygirl
  • Starr

    Vh1 news segment on Kris http://www.vh1.com/video/play.jhtml?id=1626747&vid=458281

    CindyM
    11/20/2009 at 7:00 pm
    Someone correct me if I’m wrong, but I think this is the first year that an Idol’s official site sold albums directly to the fans instead of going through iTunes or Amazon.

    Did Kris’s site sell his album through KrisAllenOfficial.com??

    KA Official did sell Kris’s album. They had this promo for fans where they could get a signed lithograph along with their album order, and it was a limited number of copies. They sold all of them, I think. Some people who already had album copies bought those, and I think they even got their copies earlier than the release date,

  • Truthiness

    Adam has a lot of hype around his album, even my mom who follows absolutely nothing AI and doesn’t do message boards has heard through the media that the album is out next week.

    I strongly disagree (sorry, phrase from my old company on hiring, I couldn’t resist using it) that Adam has that much hype and is that known. Your mother knowing about Adam, your mother has you, after all. But as tinawina and I were talking about earlier today, Adam a vague kind of celebrity with some people outside the bubble. They know him as ‘ohhh yeah, that guy from American Idol, yeah the one with the nail polish and eyeliner. Yeah the gay one right?’ and they might know something about his singing ‘oh yeah, he’s known for those really high notes or something, right? ‘ But beyond that? not so much in the real world. And certainly not that his album is coming out. tinawina‘s also excellent point that maybe the pop-culture savvy and media types may be there with knowing Adam and the “hype,” but the rest of the US? I’m not seeing that level of recognition with the people I know. But as I said before, YMMV.

    You can bet there will be gloating from every direction (except, probably, Kris fans ) if he doesn’t sell 100K. And the media that seems to love him so much now will rip him to shreds.

    I would strongly agree with all of that, except I wouldn’t leave out the Kris fans. Because Adam received so much more hype! So he’s expected to do better! and Kris’s so-called disappointing numbers don’t count because he’s been ignored for Adam…who sucked. Which yeah, whatever.

  • cookcricket

    Actual physical Cds barely sell anymore. Presales through Itunes and Amazon flourished only recently and its a good commodity.

    Huh? I guess you don’t read here very often.

  • lucy

    But in all seriousness, I don’t feel there is any that is Adam going to get 180-200K. pshaw. I know Adam has huge amounts of hype yadda, and that hasn’t helped his singles. Shockingly low. He had all the supposed hype during the season and still lost. The guy is polarizing and isn’t getting anyone outside the bubble, and while yes the show did well, Adam’s album is a lot more electronic/pop than I bet most people who enjoyed him on the show or tour were expecting/like. It’s something I’ve heard a fair (and worrying) amount among casual Adam fans.

    So disappointing as it will be heralded as, I think 90-100K will be a good week for Adam.

    Me, too.

  • Truthiness

    It promises to be an amazing night for 19’s talent with Carrie Underwood, Daughtry, Kelly Clarkson, Kris Allen and Adam Lambert all taking part.

    I yanked this from one of the many Adam threads, (source is 19Evil’s website http://www.19.co.uk/news/ ) so my take away is that Kris seems like he will be presenting. It mentions his “taking part,” and that wouldn’t be the case if he was just going there. So yay!

    Actual physical Cds barely sell anymore. Presales through Itunes and Amazon flourished only recently and its a good commodity.

    Yeah, it’s kind of the opposite actually. iTunes is the industry leader for singles, but doesn’t move a lot of albums. Amazon isn’t the leader for singles, or CDs, though more than for iTunes (IIRC) but nothing compared to Walmart.

  • http://www.planetfierce.proboards.com/ CindyM

    Second Part of Whitney Pastorek’s interview with Adam.

    http://music-mix.ew.com/2009/11/20/adam-lambert-ama-rehearsals/

    She was really harsh on him during the “On the Scene’s” during the Idol season and she tweeted this yesterday after the interview:

    whittlz: Glambert interview completed. no time to ask any of your very good questions but OMG I LOVE HIM NOW
    3:30 PM Nov 19th from mobile web

  • Starr

    Yeah, I am a huge CD collector and haven’t bought an album in like, three months. Kris’s (and The Script’s) were the more recent album purchases. I really think it’s a sign of the times, and I hope 19 and Jive are aware of this and will give Kris a chance to make a second album, even if people are dooming and glooming about this HDD projection. It’s only the first week. I honestly believe Kris’s music has growing power, especially to people outside of the Idol bubble.

    And FYI, Kris will be presenting with Demi Lovato at the AMAs

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CtPYrYJm0kU

  • wellhesback

    The cellcast for David Cook’s concert isn’t very clear tonight but I did catch that the family from the EXtreme Makeover/Home Edition is there.

    No Green River Ordinance, so probably no reappearance of the Green Man like last night with all its silliness

  • CathyMK

    Jon Bon Jovi has some interesting thoughts about AI in a new interview:

    So are today’s artists at a disadvantage? “You got a poor kid that wins ‘American Idol’ and then he’s expected to be on the same level or playing field as the Rolling Stones or U2 or Bon Jovi the next day. That’s not fair,” Bon Jovi says. “We were allowed to have the third album be the one that was the breakthrough record. I don’t know if a kid these days is ever gonna break 100 million in album sales. I don’t think that’s ever gonna happen again.”

    http://www.spinner.com/2009/11/19/jon-bon-jovi-wouldnt-survive-american-idol/

    He also says that he has a lot of respect for people who come from Idol. Kind of a refreshing attitude.

  • Truthiness

    And FYI, Kris will be presenting with Demi Lovato at the AMAs

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CtPYrYJm0kU

    Thanks for the info, and yay! AMA presenting Kris. But speaking of the AMAs, hate the coat Kris was wearing at the swag party. Just no. Is it part of some plot to make me miss the plaid in comparison? hmmm.

  • Starr

    @Truthiness? The brown jacket? I LOVED THAT, go away! He looked hot in that jacket!

    And I think it’s safe to say that since Kris is presenting with Demi that he’s not introducing Adam’s performance after all.

  • gemini1

    And FYI, Kris will be presenting with Demi Lovato at the AMAs

    Awww-that’s cute!

  • CathyMK

    This week’s Rate the Music survey is up at Ratethemusic.com . I do the HAC, Top 40, and AC surveys. Kris, Kelly, Daughtry and Jordin were all represented, though I don’t remember rating either Daughtry’s or Jordin’s new singles. Must not be high enough on the charts at this point.

  • Starr

    Kris and Katy will be featured in the upcoming Holiday issue of People:

    http://twitpic.com/qb24o
    http://twitpic.com/qb1fp
    http://twitpic.com/qb1kr

  • Truthiness

    The brown jacket? I LOVED THAT, go away! He looked hot in that jacket!

    Dude, sorry, but no. Those different coloured suede things on the shoulders, the fabric it’s made out of? just no. I mean I really AM happy that he isn’t wearing as many plaids and I want that blue/red big block plaid to be torn up into strips and used as dusting rags, but I digress. I like that Kris is getting a little funkier and more adventerous with his clothes. So for that, at least he’s trying with the jacket, so it’s not a total fail. It’s just a swing and a miss.

  • unique28v

    Who gets more pre-sales? Amazon or ITunes?

    SUSAN BOYLE – BOYLE BREAKS AMAZON.COM PRE-ORDER RECORDS: http://www.contactmusic.com/news.nsf/story/boyle-breaks-amazoncom-pre-order-records_1123056

  • girlygirl

    Kris is going to be wearing a gray suit for the AMAs? Nice — he looked really good in the suit he wore on Rat Pack Week

    scans to US Weekly ahort on Kris – “Victor of the Year”

    http://twitpic.com/qb56s

    That People article with hin and Katy has some cute photos. Talks about his family tradition of playing board game on Christmas Eve

  • girlygirl

    So if Kris is presenting at the AMAs with Demi Lovato, I’m guessing it will be something in the pop music category — maybe new artist?

  • unique28v

    scans to US Weekly ahort on Kris ‘“ ‘Victor of the Year’ 

    http://twitpic.com/qb56s

    I like that pic of him.

  • Starr

    Truthiness
    11/20/2009 at 9:45 pm
    The brown jacket? I LOVED THAT, go away! He looked hot in that jacket!

    Dude, sorry, but no. Those different coloured suede things on the shoulders, the fabric it’s made out of? just no. I mean I really AM happy that he isn’t wearing as many plaids and I want that blue/red big block plaid to be torn up into strips and used as dusting rags, but I digress. I like that Kris is getting a little funkier and more adventerous with his clothes. So for that, at least he’s trying with the jacket, so it’s not a total fail. It’s just a swing and a miss.

    Truthiness, you know, I enjoy your posts, I really do. But I refuse to accept your comment.I have been the number one advocate of Kris not wearing plaid any more and him wearing that jacket seriously made me whole week. HOW, just HOW can you say he does not look hot in this?! http://twitpic.com/qb9jg

  • Gigi3

    I love the pics of Kris and Katy in the Christmas photoshoot. I love seeing more of Katy. Maybe they’ll do an interview together soon.

  • wordnerdarchie

    Now this is how you get younger fans. Check out how Cook makes an 8 year old boy feel important.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t8r9Hycsa4A

  • girlygirl

    YouTube of Ktis’ appearance on the Style Network show hosted by Kris’ boyhood crush Danielle (aka Topanga from Boy Meets World). He does a good job of not fanboying about her, and the brief segment is cute

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pCTlswA8hBc&feature=player_embedded

  • Mtlfan

    scans to US Weekly ahort on Kris ‘“ ‘Victor of the Year’ 

    http://twitpic.com/qb56s

    nice pic. Nice the mention that he plans to come out with even better music on the 2nd album. In another interview, he mentioned starting touring next Feb AND writing. He wants to write his albums, so that does take time — let’s take John Mayer, he comes out with an album each 2 or 3 years and it’s good but there was time to hone it though.

    Like the brown jacket, don’t love it.

    Christmas picture with Katy… awwww… they are truely beautiful

    I approve of the gray suit for the AMA :) … i’m not sure i understood it right, did he add it has black lining?

  • girlygirl

    Adam interview with TV Guide magazine

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VrVM-OJcROg

  • girlygirl

    Mtlfan

    Gray suit with black piping (not lining)

  • Truthiness

    i’m not sure i understood it right, did he add it has black lining?

    black piping, i.e. black trim.

  • Mtlfan

    Gray suit with black piping (not lining)

    thanks girlygirl. I had to check what that means and…. hell yes! he’ll be gorgeous! :)

  • Mtlfan

    thank you too Truthiness :)

  • Starr

    He looked hot during Rat Pack week in that gray suit, so obviously gray really complements him. Whoever is styling him, so far, I approve. Four for you.

  • cookcricket

    So if Kris is presenting at the AMAs with Demi Lovato, I’m guessing it will be something in the pop music category ‘” maybe new artist?

    Okay, am I the only one not crazy about the fact that he’s presenting with Demi Lovato? I’m very glad he’s presenting though, so not complaining too much….

  • Starr

    @cookcricket: I’m not crazy about that pairing either, but it’s probably a random thing? I dunno, I’m just happy he’s not presenting Adam, because that would be awkward.

  • cookcricket

    I hope it’s random Starr. But Archie toured with DL iirc, and Archie’s with Jive and I’m probably reading waayyyyy too much into this. lol!:)

  • girlygirl
  • Keel

    Far from it, and I’m sure even non DC fans will agree. Adam’s roll-out is nothing like David’s. David wasn’t all over magazine covers, he wasn’t closing out the AMA’s, he wasn’t on Ryan’s New Years Eve show, he didn’t have a single premiered on a major market station. Adam is getting more of a winners treatment than he ever got. SNL (before his album dropped no less) is a drop in the bucket.

    I have to agree with this. The important thing to remember about that SNL appearance is that it came on Nov. 1st — about 3 weeks before DC’s album dropped. It was Beyonce that got the coveted pre-Black Friday week SNL appearance. It is absolutely HUGE for Adam to be getting the AMA gig (closing out the show, no less) the week immediately before his album drop. Also, I’ve been away from the site for about a day but after scanning the headlines + the various other stories today, I am impressed! Adam’s rollout looks to be super high profile. The coverage was nowhere near this widespread for DC last year. Not even close IMO.

  • cookcricket

    Tweet beat FTW!!! LingOL!!!

  • CathyMK

    Okay, am I the only one not crazy about the fact that he’s presenting with Demi Lovato?

    Well, combined with the Jive executive saying in Billboard that Kris’ fans are AI watchers and tweens, it makes me nervous that they are mainly aiming at the teen/tween demo like Jive has done with Jordin and Archie. Except, Kris is a married grown up, not a teenager, and his music doesn’t sound aimed at teens to me.

  • cookcricket

    the week immediately before his album drop.

    Errr, you mean the night before.

    Not even close IMO.

    Nope, not even close.

    ETA: I know CathyMK, it makes me a little nervous too.

    ETAA: There have been some great college reviews for Kris’s album, I’m hoping they’ll consider this route.

  • GaryJ

    I think of Kris’s music as college age up.

    Do you think he was paired with Demi Lovato to push the teen/tween image?

  • Starr

    GaryJ
    11/21/2009 at 1:18 am
    I think of Kris’s music as college age up.

    Do you think he was paired with Demi Lovato to push the teen/tween image?

    It’s possible, although I have to say it seems really strange, considering the teen girls aren’t really the target demographic for Kris’s album. As you mentioned, Kris’s music seems to geared for the twentysomething crowd, which is why I think a college tour would be great for him. I’m not digging the pairing, but I don’t think it should mean a great deal. We found out he was presenting after we knew who was going to be performing at the AMAs, so he could have been a last-minute addition and was just plunked with Lovato.

  • sunchick

    Also, I’ve been away from the site for about a day but after scanning the headlines + the various other stories today, I am impressed! Adam’s rollout looks to be super high profile.

    Ditto. It’s like they’ve created a self fufilling prophesy. I’ve been saying for awhile that with the way the media and industry have positioned Adam before his album even drops, all he has to do is not suck on the AMAs and hope that his fanbase is big enough to pad the first week numbers a bit. No way will radio turn their back on him if he makes the water cooler talk after the AMAs. It’s perfectly timed. I actually think he could easily pull in first week sales in the 200,000 plus range if the AMA gig goes well. What a huge coup for Adam’s team to have snagged that performance slot.

    I hope that cook get more than one producer and give some variety next album.

    Hell to the nah. Case in point: there are a few songs on Adam’s album that I like a lot, two that I love madly (and will def be downloading), a few that are meh to me, and one that I kinda hate, which is par for the course with a lot of albums by artists that interest me. But taken as a whole, I don’t care for the schizophrenic music by committee feel to the album. I guess pop albums tend to be more like that, though, while rock albums tend to have a more cohesive vision, which is why I’m a rock chick at heart. I’d prefer Cook stick with what has worked for him rather than 19 or RCA trying to Adam-ize him with twenty different producers and collaborators. I’m hoping he’s able to work with a few select people who get him musically and write a collection of music that belongs on the same album because the whole is something greater than the sum of the parts. I dunno…listening to that concert with the whole album played live, it was like a musical story hour. I remember thinking “generic my ass.” Mileage on this will vary, of course.

    He obviously sings the same songs on tour, so what might have made it a ‘piece of shit’  for you is the production.

    Good point. The music is the music, the meat and bones of it anyway. I’d be the first to opine that the band chemistry was the missing ingredient on DCTR, and also that David def thrives when he’s feeding off of Neal and Andy and Kyle and Monty. But if a concert is going to be entertaining, basically you need a bunch of good songs and then those songs have to be performed well. You can’t have one without the other and be a successful touring act. If the general consensus was that the music sucked and most people were just going to see the dude from AI as a novelty, I don’t think David’s tour would be as successful and long lasting as it has been. Sure, there are certain things that DC &TA do live vs. the record that helped some songs further evolve into what they probably were always meant to be, especially since I kinda think David writes with an ear for what would play well live vs. the much ballyhooed radio friendliness. But it’s not like he waves a magic guitar pic and makes a silk purse out of a sow’s ear every night.

  • GaryJ

    We found out he was presenting after we knew who was going to be performing at the AMAs, so he could have been a last-minute addition and was just plunked with Lovato.

    Now it’s making sense…I’m glad Kris is presenting and on the show, no matter who he is with.

  • fadetowhite

    I think Adam Lambert’s first week sales will be in the 150 – 200 thousand range.

  • cher

    “I think Adam Lambert’s first week sales will be in the 150 ‘“ 200 thousand range.”

    I certainly hope so. He should get some help from the AMAs too.
    BTW does anyone know how sales went for Adam’s Details mag cover?

  • gabam

    Jason fans, he posted a great, new blog on JCM:

    http://www.jasoncastromusic.com/updates/yo-yo-yoooo/

    He’ll be touring with Matt Hires. Tour starts in January 2010. About half of the tour dates have been posted on Matt’s MySpace. More will be posted next week. Link:

    http://www.myspace.com/matthires

    Jason will be headlining the tree lighting ceremony in Austin, TX, Saturday, 11-21-09.

    http://www.austin360.com/blogs/content/shared-gen/blogs/austin/music/entries/2009/11/18/idol_jason_castro_headlines_do.html

  • Squirrely
  • Squirrely

    Jon Bon Jovi has some interesting thoughts about AI in a new interview:

    So are today’s artists at a disadvantage? ‘You got a poor kid that wins ‘American Idol’ and then he’s expected to be on the same level or playing field as the Rolling Stones or U2 or Bon Jovi the next day. That’s not fair,’  Bon Jovi says. ‘We were allowed to have the third album be the one that was the breakthrough record. I don’t know if a kid these days is ever gonna break 100 million in album sales. I don’t think that’s ever gonna happen again.’ 

    http://www.spinner.com/2009/11/19/jon-bon-jovi-wouldnt-survive-american-idol/

    He also says that he has a lot of respect for people who come from Idol. Kind of a refreshing attitude.

    Thanks for posting this and he is so right. There is a lot of pressure on these kids to be spectacular with an album that was put together overnight.

  • jpfan

    nvm

  • ozarka

    From Jason’s blog…

    haha but anyways i came out here [to LA] this week to finish some recording. we recorded a couple of the big songs acoustic so we could have more to play with! its been fun! after this week i will officially be done recording for my album! no more recording till the next one!

    i also had a few showcases with some movie companies while i was here. sharing the songs and talking about getting one in a movie or 2!
    – – snip – – –
    speaking of shows, you may have heard even though i havent officially announced but i’m planning on going on tour with matt hires in the beginning of next year! im so pumped to get out and play some real shows!

    Funny, but I thought he had already finished his album and that they had only delayed it’s release. Nevertheless, I’m very glad to hear that things are looking up for Jason. I wish him every success.

    BTW, apparently he and Anoop Desai had sushi together yesterday…


    AnoopDoggDesai:
    Sushi with @jasoncastro

    jasoncastro: @AnoopDoggDesai good stuff! great to hang tonight. see ya down the road!

  • Squirrely

    I hope it’s random Starr. But Archie toured with DL iirc, and Archie’s with Jive and I’m probably reading waayyyyy too much into this. lol! :)

    that would be oddball to tour them together – Jive isn’t that crazy…I hope

  • ozarka

    that would be oddball to tour them together ‘“ Jive isn’t that crazy’ ¦I hope

    Hehehe… I have to agree. That would be crazy.

  • Studio57

    Just noticed Itunes has huge banners of Kris and Adam rotating on the main page ( and smaller ones rotating next to it). They did not use Adam’s album cover but instead used the old gothic AI pic.

  • Squirrely

    They did not use Adam’s album cover but instead used the old gothic AI pic.

    That picture will not die!

  • wordnerdarchie

    Here’s a twitpic that ties in with that video that I posted (a page or so back) regarding David Cook coming off of the stage. He walked across several rows of chairs into the audience in order to speak to a young fan. (Peoria Illinois concert)

    Face to Face with a Star

  • wordnerdarchie

    Here’s a shot from last night’s show in Elizabeth, Indiana. I guess he’s not afraid of heights. :)

  • lucy

    Do you think he was paired with Demi Lovato to push the teen/tween image?

    I don’t know. Seems to me that I see an awful lot of completely “odd couple” pairings for award-show presenters. A lot of the time it looks to me as if they just do it randomly.

  • tierbee

    Face to Face with a Star

    Aww! I watched the video of that… he’s so cute with kids :)

  • ghl

    that would be oddball to tour them together ‘“ Jive isn’t that crazy’ ¦I hope

    haha. Is Jive that crazy? A married man and a Disney princess? David A is a teen and the tour with Demi gained new fans of younger people. Now, his fans are all over the age groups.

    I don’t think Jive will use the same strategies for Kris to gain new fans, but Allison will be following the way Jive has done for Jordin and DA. Plus, she will have a hard time to have her own headlining concert from the get-go like Jordin.

  • cookcricket

    The quote from the Jive guy in the BB article re:Kris is what concerns me the most…