Idol Headlines for 11/16/09

[Re Danny's Single]

But country music it ain’t.

‘I don’t see him being a long-term successful country artist,’  said Morgan. ‘But I definitely see him in the gospel and Christian formats. He’ll do real well there.’ 

This article expresses my thoughts exactly. I tried to listen to it yesterday but between the beat-me-over-the-head socially conscious lyrics and the NOT country sound, I didn’t make it very far. I’m beginning to wonder if they suckered Danny into making this record by telling him it was country and then producing something that they could sell to the Christian format.

This article expresses my thoughts exactly.

It’s the music director of the country station that debuted Danny’s single saying Danny won’t have long term success in country. Very interesting.

jms, I thought the same thing—they are “tricking” him into producing Contemp. Christian music.

Nice little blurb on Kris in the LA Times Smart List:

why can’t I post links anymore? Anyway here’s what it says:

“You could talk about self-worshiping John Mayer, or you could talk about cutie Pie “American Idol” Kris Allen. Both are releasing albums this week. If you are looking for McSoulful crooning, Mayer is your pre-packaged tugger of heartstrings. If you want something more adventurous, new and not yet full of itself, definitely go with Allen”.

I listened to the live link of Danny’s It’s Only. I love Danny’s voice live but he kinda loses the rawness/soulfulness when recorded. The lyrics are too secular for country and it doesn’t sound country to me. I think he needs to go the gospel/Christian Music route. I don’t know why he is doing country because he is not country at all and hard core country fans won’t buy into this facade. Just because you can sing Rascall Flatts well doesn’t mean you’re country. But then what do I know Bon Jovi did country with their last album (yuck) and Darius Rucker is now country :s .

iTunes is now more countrified than ever today. Look at the top 200 mostly country tunes.

I’m a fan neither of Danny nor country music in general, but Danny’s single sounded country enough for me. Lots of country songs have religious themes, don’t they? Wasn’t “Jesus Take the Wheel” one of Carrie’s big hits?

This is not the sort of music that I would listen to or buy, but I wouldn’t be so sure that Danny won’t have at least a modest amount of success with it. I give him better odds than Anoop Desai, whom I enjoyed a lot more on the show.

http://music.aol.com/new-releases-full-cds/#/1

AOL’s Full CD Listening Party has the new albums from John Mayer, Leona Lewis and Norah Jones. Kris’ album is still up there.

Funny… I am NOT a Danny fan at all, and I detest country music. But his new single is, for me for you, much better than I anticipated. Disclaimer: I’ve only listened to it once. Still, I didn’t think it was bad at all. I have no idea whether he’ll fit into the country genre or the Christian genre, as I listen to neither. I’ll leave that assessment to the experts. Nevertheless, I wish him well.

Lots of country songs have religious themes, don’t they? Wasn’t ‘Jesus Take the Wheel’  one of Carrie’s big hits?

Yeah but it’s the sound not the theme that’s the problem for It’s Only. JTTW was country not only in sound but also in its storytelling approach and the way Carrie sings it is definitely country.

A new artist coming in and putting out something that sounds like a typical Rascal Flatts power ballad in a time when Rascal Flatts is considered more AC than country may not be the way to convince people you’re sincerely country. As a new artist establishing yourself as country is important in the country format. Danny’s got a long road ahead of him to do that. It’s not a good sign when your hometown country station music director’s saying he doesn’t think you’ll make it long term in his format.

Danny not being country is not a knock on him except that he’s trying to make it in country. The gospel/CCM route would really be so much better for him. I wish Danny well in finding his right niche in music.

But then what do I know Bon Jovi did country with their last album (yuck) and Darius Rucker is now country :s .

Bon Jovi got almost no country radio play on their last album even though they tried to say it was country. Darius Rucker is an example of how to do it right though as far as making it in country. It helps he’s got a good country soul voice. It turns out he actually made an album that was more traditional country than his label wanted and had to make it sound more contemporary. It’s worked out for him but it helps that he writes his songs, paid his dues with more traditional covers and his own stuff, and filled the role of the guy who’s so happy to be here to the hilt.

Good luck to Kris. I’m glad Red Guitar’s being highlighted so people can see his personal connection to his album. It’ll be interesting to see if there are more comparisons between the albums from Kris and John Mayer. Kris is definitely the more likeable and earnest of the 2 even if Mayer’s a ton more established.

http://music.aol.com/new-releases-full-cds/#/1

AOL’s Full CD Listening Party has the new albums from John Mayer, Leona Lewis and Norah Jones. Kris’ album is still up there.

OMG! john mayer looks just like kris’s older brother. one’s looking right and the other left, and the haircuts look similar too

There is a giant poster of John Mayer’s album on the Newbury Comics window. But I just heard LLWD on Pro FM in RI, so I am not sure it matters. I do expect comparisons; even Kris has made them (at least to Jason Mraz and Gavin DeGraw, I believe).

Wow. First and only time I will see my hometown paper listed in the headlines thread. The Denvers’ lived in the area prior to Bob’s death and I hope the auction raises a lot of money.

I really don’t get why Gokey is so against CCM/gospel. It seems like a much more logical fit for him than country. Having a country program director say they don’t see him as a viable, long-term country artist doesn’t bode well….

And how come no one is calling out Michael Sarver? Earlier on he was pretty much opposed to going country and has since changed his tune? Guess we’ll see how this plays out.

Personally, I’m not completely sold on this “new” Idol trend of, “oh, I wanna sing…guess I’ll go country!” Sure, we’ve had Carrie, but I haven’t seen an Idol guy who can match, or even approach her…these two ain’t it, IMO.

Nearly six months after Kris Allen scored a remarkable upset victory on American Idol, he still feels like an underdog.

“Some people still don’t know I won the show,” says the 24-year-old singer from Arkansas, whose self-titled debut album arrives Tuesday.

I think it’s unfortunate that Brian Mansfield opened his piece with these two paragraphs. Not only designed to fuel fanwars (and invite nasty comments on the USA Today site, though those would have come anyway) but if you read no further, the quote makes Kris sound a little “Woe is me” bitter.

Personally, I’m not completely sold on this ‘new’  Idol trend of, ‘oh, I wanna sing’ ¦guess I’ll go country!’  Sure, we’ve had Carrie, but I haven’t seen an Idol guy who can match, or even approach her’ ¦these two ain’t it, IMO.

I agree – and Carrie was always going country – it wasn’t just a fall back for her.

As far as Sarver, from the beginning people were telling him to go country because he seemed to fit there so well. Danny, not so much.

I really don’t get why Gokey is so against CCM/gospel.

In my world it is called ego.

And how come no one is calling out Michael Sarver? Earlier on he was pretty much opposed to going country and has since changed his tune? Guess we’ll see how this plays out.

I didn’t call him out because I missed it when he said he was opposed to going country Boo on him too if he’s suddenly changed his tune! The only thing I remember is that Michael sang Garth for country week and sounded like he had a clue about country music.

Personally, I’m not completely sold on this ‘new’  Idol trend of, ‘oh, I wanna sing’ ¦guess I’ll go country!’ 

I couldn’t agree more! It was like that with Phil Stacey too. Now he’s in his right market. I haven’t heard his new album but I’ve seen a few positive comments from fans about it so good for him.

I’m beginning to wonder if they suckered Danny into making this record by telling him it was country and then producing something that they could sell to the Christian format.

Very interesting speculation. If they did, they’re doing him a big favor! I think Christian could work out extremely well for Danny, and he could still veer into the mainstream with songs from time to time, as other successful Christian performers do.

It’s the music director of the country station that debuted Danny’s single saying Danny won’t have long term success in country. Very interesting.

Yeah. That’s a big ouch. But he’s so right. That is not a country sound. I do wonder why Danny is so opposed to CCM format.

And how come no one is calling out Michael Sarver? Earlier on he was pretty much opposed to going country and has since changed his tune? Guess we’ll see how this plays out.

Exactly what I was about to say. Why is it that people automatically think they can make it in country? It’s just as difficult of a genre as any other. And fans can tell when you’re faking it.

Also, how is it even possible that Sarver has a deal but Matt hasn’t been signed yet?!

Also, how is it even possible that Sarver has a deal but Matt hasn’t been signed yet?!

Good question.

Danny probably should be doing CCM, and there is a large market for it out there. I have a relative in Southern CA who is a worship leader and a “moderately big” name in the Contemporary Christian market. He has several CDs out and does lots of touring—playing primarily mega-churches, all over, but lots in the Midwest. I personally don’t care for this music, but I attended one of his concerts—huge crowd with everyone singing along. There is a market for this, and it seems that this would be a more natural fit for Danny.

The “Woe is me” is getting old. The underdog story is getting old. The flying under the radar analogy is getting old. Just put out some music as the AI winner and act like a winner even if everybody don’t know you won-which I seriously doubt! Two articles say the same thing. I have seen others. It is getting way too boring. I would rather hear more positive things about Kris than a constant explanation about the season’s surprise win/winner.

jms
11/16/2009 at 11:10 am
It’s the music director of the country station that debuted Danny’s single saying Danny won’t have long term success in country. Very interesting.

Yeah. That’s a big ouch. But he’s so right. That is not a country sound. I do wonder why Danny is so opposed to CCM format.

Well, aside from the rare birds like Michael W. Smith, CCM does not produce huge, mainstream stars like country does. Sounds like “ego” to me. I’m sure Danny wants to be big like Keith Urban, and cross-over to Pop. CCM artists very rarely cross-over. They make a good living, but are not the superstars that country artists can be. Just a thought.

And how come no one is calling out Michael Sarver? Earlier on he was pretty much opposed to going country and has since changed his tune? Guess we’ll see how this plays out.

Well, I didn’t call him out for two reasons. First he changed his tune while on idol (or at beginning of tour) saying that he was looking at it and considering it because everyone kept telling him that he’d be suited to country. And second, the youtube of his first single was so terrible that if he doesn’t get someone else to help him write, it won’t matter what genre he chooses.

It’s interesting that that PD is saying he doesn’t see Danny as having long-term success as a country artist. I’ve only heard It’s Only” the one time and I din’t like it, mainly because it felt preachy lyric wise. I’m not a country fan at all, so I have no clue whether it fits in with current country music — although I have seen some quotes from country music writers and artists who seem to like it.

I always thought Danny’s best bet was to go th e Christan/Gospel route. But maybe he thought that was too much of a niche market for him?

I really don’t get why Gokey is so against CCM/gospel. It seems like a much more logical fit for him than country. Having a country program director say they don’t see him as a viable, long-term country artist doesn’t bode well’ ¦.

I’m thinking Danny may see Country as a bigger money train than Christian music.

I am getting tired of the underdog articles for Kris too. The competition is over and yes Simon sometimes criticized him, but he criticized 4 of Adams performances too. Kris has the best chance of succeeding IMO, he is getting alot of radio play and the winner’s package from AI. I think he will do very well in first weeks sales.

I think Danny really wanted to go Pop with latin flavorings like he talked about. Country was what they signed him as. I think he could be a success at the Rascall Flatts sound, but to me they’re more Easy Listening than country anyway. I wish him success.

Not surprised about Michael and Country. I think he said he liked blue-eyed soul music better, he comes off very country artist to me. Always has. Maybe it’s the accent, maybe it’s the way he looks, he reminds me of a chubby early Garth Brooks in looks only. I also wish him success.

Also…I do feel bad for Matt. This news of Michael getting signed and he’s not, has got to be tough for him. I just don’t know where Matt fits in yet. Didn’t he say he was appearing on an album of duets? I thought there were some country people involved. Maybe he’s going to “go country” too.

Oh and the Allen family remains adorable. Hope Mama Allen gets Kris the new Monopoly game and pj’s for Christmas to follow the family tradition!

Kris is in NY today, but he’s doing interviews via satellite with stations all over the country evidently. One of the reporters tweeted a picture. Is that a new plaid shirt?

http://twitpic.com/prbkj

And here’s link to one of the interviews

http://www.myfoxdetroit.com/dpp/mornings/kris-allen-releases-debut-album

Kris has the best chance of succeeding IMO, he is getting alot of radio play and the winner’s package from AI. I think he will do very well in first weeks sales.

Totally agree. I think he is going to do very well in first week sales but I guess it is more interesting to continue to set up the underdog story. When he does well, as I think he will, the headlines can read, “The Underdog Does it Again”. When does he stop being the underdog? Winning didn’t do it. Sales are doing it. At what point does it stop and he start getting credit as an artist instead of an underdog?

Well, I for one am very happy for Mike Sarver. Out of all the American Idol finalists in S8, he seems to be the one who grew the most as a person, and he sounded great on the tour. He also talked constantly on how much he loved songwriting. So, I’m truly ecstatic that he’s getting a chance.

I have no idea how he’ll do, but I’m sure he’s grateful as hell, and will do his damnest with this shot. I wish him the best.

Danny probably doesnt know the difference between Counry, Christian and Gospel, so he just rounds them up in one catagory.

Nice article about FYE video shoot :

It was just another day on the streets of Downtown Los Angeles on Sunday when a chorus of Mad Max-rejects, tranny crack whores, blonde children, goth strippers, Hot Topic stock room workers, Miami day-shift hustlers and extras from the gay porn version of 300 was spotted on their way to shoot Glamberace’s video for “For Your Entertainment.” I’m pretty sure the inspiration for this video was Tommy Girl’s afternoon wet dream.

Two weeks ago, if you told me that Glamberace’s video would feature a dude with rubber thimbles over his nipples, I’d believe you and tell you to pass the lube. I know Glamberace is trying to make hos clutch their chest and blush like Anderson Cooper in a titty bar, but he’s going about it the wrong way. If he wants his video to be bizarre and shocking, he should just film a sober Paula Abdul.

IMO Kris is going to be continue being treated as an underdog because the media likes that storyline and likes to equate understated with being an underdog. They’re using a contrast in the loudness of the hype machine – which really only mirrors Kris’s and Adam’s personalities – to reinforce that meme. The media is 1 big echo chamber so I’m not expecting much original reporting. This is the easy storyline.

I think Kris’s comment about this being how he went about his journey on AI is right on. He isn’t someone who’s likely to generate a lot of hype on his own, he’s more somebody who people can enjoy for a while until suddenly they realize they actually really like his style and want to go vote for him or buy his music. The best case scenario for him IMO is he sells respectably during the holidays then keeps charting for a while at a modest level because people hear his music and realize they like it.

I always thought Danny’s best bet was to go th e Christan/Gospel route. But maybe he thought that was too much of a niche market for him?

I think 19 believes it’s too much of a niche market to bother with. Some peeps have faith they can sell Danny in country, or he would not have been signed.

k0ka: Nice article about FYE video shoot

Lame blogger looking for hits.

ETA: Comments on this guy’s site make’s Perez’s readers look like Sunday school children.

Lame blogger looking for hits.

Dude – i’ve been looking for that eye roll smiley and I agree very lame.

Squirrely: Dude ‘“ i’ve been looking for that eye roll smiley

Just take out the spaces : roll : and you got your smiley!

Kris continues to give awkward interviews. More media training, stat!
He is so low energy in the Detroit interview posted above, I almost fell asleep half way through it.

Good to see a new plaid shirt though!

Just take out the spaces : roll : and you got your smiley!

Thanks

ETA: I’m happy now

Hoppers I didn’t bother to go read it – the quote was enough to let me know it was piece of lame crap.

Glamberace. Better than Glamby, IMO.
That picture on the blog of Adam’s video is really something close up…yikes.
That said, I can’t wait to see this video, I really can’t.
I thought Adam’s album would be streaming today, but I guess RCA is rolling it out one single at a time.

ETA: I don’t think Danny was tricked into anything. This is the only way he could get signed, and I think he finally realized this. I am happy for Sarver, however; he realized that country *was* the route to go (as he was told on Idol, when he said he thought he was an r&b singer). I think he could be quite successful. I have no clue with Danny.

http://www.nypost.com/p/blogs/popwrap/can_you_guess_who_owns_these_extras_HA9l7jcyoOoWU67AKO9y7J

NYPost picked up the Adam video shoot story….this Popwrap guy really loves him LOL

Some peeps have faith they can sell Danny in country, or he would not have been signed.

I know many people feel that Danny will do well in country. Country music today is not the same as it was ten years ago. Many cross-over artists also sing country music. I for one think Danny will sell more albums than Kris, and I voted for Kris!

Squirrely: Hoppers I ddin’t bother to go read it

[laugh] Was barely an excuse to bring back the eyeball smiley. Missed you since the tour threads Squirrely! [hug] TOTALLY excited about this vid though! Want to see how the theoretical 1930′s Valentino vibe is supposed to mesh with the dancers/extras we saw. And album drops next week. HOORAY!!

[laugh] More smiley excuses! Ain’t it great?!

For those of you who watched the last Pork Beans “A Ficus Flows Between Us”. There is a report David threw the rubber chicken to some lucky fan in the audience at his last show. The Windsor Casino in Canada. RIP Crazy Legs.

ETA: This is hardly news or AI related. Haha I’m just THAT bored.

NYPost picked up the Adam video shoot story’ ¦.this Popwrap guy really loves him LOL

How cute does Adam look? I think that trench coat suits him, but it’s the smile that gets me every time.

I think Kris’s comment about this being how he went about his journey on AI is right on. He isn’t someone who’s likely to generate a lot of hype on his own, he’s more somebody who people can enjoy for a while until suddenly they realize they actually really like his style and want to go vote for him or buy his music. The best case scenario for him IMO is he sells respectably during the holidays then keeps charting for a while at a modest level because people hear his music and realize they like it.

I’ve said elsewhere – Kris now, LLWD progress, Kris’s future = Kris on the show. Slow to warm-up but once he get’s there it’s going to be an impact. I actually think that’s what Jamie Foxx saw in him as a mentor ont he show as well.

I really don’t get why Gokey is so against CCM/gospel.

Do we know that he is? I’m no Gokey fan, and I know little about country music and even less about CCM/gospel. But I seem to remember something about Danny being out and about with some prominent CCM/gospel type artists or something after season 8 wrapped? Maybe the label, either the 19 peeps or the Sony peeps, sold him on the country idea? He’s already demonstrated that he has woefully limited knowledge about popular music, and he’s definitely gullible enough to buy whatever some label is preaching (ha, pun intended.) Wasn’t his single written by two people from Lady Antebellum? Aren’t they country? Why would a country program director diss it, then? I dunno.

I think 19 believes it’s too much of a niche market to bother with. Some peeps have faith they can sell Danny in country, or he would not have been signed.

Exactly. For better or for worse, I kinda doubt it was Danny’s brainstorm.

Sooo….I have a question that’s kinda related. I’ve been wondering something for awhile, so I thought I’d throw it out there. Does anyone know how the division of power and decision making shakes down between 19R and Jive/RCA/RCA Nashville, etc, when these AI artists are co-signed to both labels? Or is this a big mystery? Also, is it possible that whatever relationship Sony has with 19 in regards to AI has changed when Clive was demoted and Barry promoted? You know, it’s nice to know at whom you should direct your stone throwing.

How cute does Adam look? I think that trench coat suits him, but it’s the smile that gets me every time.

I think he made a great choice with the hairstyle. It looks great. His hair is a force of nature.

And album drops next week. HOORAY!!

Yeah – now I want to know how to do the clappy smiley

:clap: let’s see if this works.

ETA: Nope- bummer!

‘Some people still don’t know I won the show,’  says the 24-year-old singer from Arkansas, whose self-titled debut album arrives Tuesday.

That ‘some people still doesn’t know he won the show’  are outside the AI buble.

Poor Kris. He probably doesn’t know that AI buble is not that big; and in real life not many people watch the show, thus they don’t know or even care who won and who didn’t.

seriously, I read a fan account that the rubber chicken thrown was a fan gift, not the original rubber chicken.

Brian Mansfield has posted a longer version of his interview/article about Kris than the version that actually made the print edition of USA Today

http://content.usatoday.com/communities/idolchatter/post/2009/11/kris-allen-some-people-still-dont-know-i-won-the-show/1

but I guess it is more interesting to continue to set up the underdog story.

Oh yes, it will get to my heart and I am going to buy 12 of his albums everyday. Bah! I think that in business and arts we should not be driven by pity. Talent is what should count. JMHO.
I get annoyed by this underdog kind of publicity. I for one, would not like to sell my products by promoting pitiful feelings. But it seems that Kris is happy with it.

Don’t understand why people think one can be huge by going country. Sure, Carrie sold millions (2 3 years ago) and 11 #1′s but even established country singers don’t sell millions nowadays and not everyone has #1′s.

seriously, I read a fan account that the rubber chicken thrown was a fan gift, not the original rubber chicken.

YAY. I’m going to hug you now.

Also, how is it even possible that Sarver has a deal but Matt hasn’t been signed yet?!

Good question.

Maybe the industry doesn’t know what route for him to take (or more likely HE doesn’t)? It’s a bummer, however.

I think Kris is beyond cute (new plaid? lol), but I also think he has to be more confident now. Yeah, I won, and my album really reflects my POV or whatever.

Glamberace. Better than Glamby, IMO.

What is up with all of these nicknames? Glambert. Glamberace. Glamby.

Heh.

Maybe Danny will have more of a Kellie Pickler type career versus a Carrie one? Kellie seems to be doing okay. Her second album isn’t selling like hotcakes but she has a hit country single and is touring w/her best friend, Taylor Swift.

Matt hasn’t been signed yet?!

I have always seen Matt as a Jazz type artist maybe I am wrong, could it be that he still needs to define which direction he most fits into before a lable will pick him up?

I really don’t get why Gokey is so against CCM/gospel.
sunchick
11/16/2009 at 11:53 am
Do we know that he is?

as i recall, it was Danny who said on several occasions that he doesn’t want to go to the CCM route, he wants to make pop music with latin infusion.

USA Today: Nearly six months after Kris Allen scored a remarkable upset victory on American Idol, he still feels like an underdog.

‘Some people still don’t know I won the show,’  says the 24-year-old singer from Arkansas, whose self-titled debut album arrives Tuesday.

rowenaaine: I think it’s unfortunate that Brian Mansfield opened his piece with these two paragraphs. Not only designed to fuel fanwars (and invite nasty comments on the USA Today site, though those would have come anyway) but if you read no further, the quote make Kris sound a little ‘Woe is me’  bitter.

alaadam: The ‘Woe is me’  is getting old. The underdog story is getting old. The flying under the radar analogy is getting old. Just put out some music as the AI winner and act like a winner even if everybody don’t know you won-which I seriously doubt!

First someone says that a quote, “if you read no further“, would makes Kris sound “a little woe is me,” then someone else picks up on it and says “the woe is me is getting old.”

Taking a quote out of context and saying it sounds like something it really isn’t — I guess that’s your point, rowenaaine. You were saying Mansfield shouldn’t have led off his article that way.

But then you picked up on that, alaadam, and said, “The woe is me is getting old.”

I want to correct that impression, I guess, because there never was, never has been, a “woe is me” attitude from Kris, that I have EVER seen.

I don’t actually think that quote should even be interpreted in that way. There’s really no indication that was his attitude Anyone agree (or disagree)?

I get annoyed by this underdog kind of publicity. I for one, would not like to sell my products by promoting pitiful feelings. But it seems that Kris is happy with it.

He does seem happy with it. Going back to read both articles again to see if I see it differently.

Exactly where is the “woe is me?” Kris is stating a fact — a lot of people act like Adam won, or should have won, the show. Kris isn’t whining about it. It is the media who keep bringing it up.

Kris has NEVER acted like he wanted anyone’s pity, or put on a “woe is me” attitude. Not once.

If the media would shut up about it, I would bet you Kris would never mention it himself.

He does seem happy with it.

I don’t see it as happy. I see it as matter of fact – as in, this is what the media and everyone is choosing to pick up on so it’s what I am working with.

YAAAAY!!

I finally heard FYI on the radio this morning on the way to work!! It was on XM Satellite radio.

The song was made for blasting over the car speakers!!

I don’t actually think that quote should even be interpreted in that way. There’s really no indication that was his attitude Anyone agree (or disagree)?

I interpreted it that way. I might not have if he hadn’t made the statement a few weeks ago about why he doesn’t get magazine covers. But coupled with that, yeah, I get that impression. It doesn’t matter though, we all interpret based on what we’re feeling. No one is immune from the practice of people assuming something from their words, not even Kris.

I finally heard FYI on the radio this morning on the way to work!! It was on XM Satellite radio.

“I’m here for you information”!!!!!!!

As a person who listens to jazz more than anything, I would love it if Matt went the jazz route. Right now, Michael Buble is held up as Mr. Wonderful in the “male jazz singer” role, and he’s about as exciting as watching paint dry. I think Matt could kick his ass.

Back on topic…I lurve Kris. I’m excited for tomorrow. I’m getting the Walmart version, just like I did last year for Cookie (and Breathe Tonight ended up being my favorite song on the album).

FWIW, I don’t get a “pitiful” vibe from Kris in either article. He strikes me as more zen than anything.

Do you mean FYE, molls?

Is this the most accurate listing:
http://addboard.mediabase.com/SongAddHistory.asp?sngcde=LAMBFYE

I assume this keeps being updated? I have heard FYE exactly once on the radio. Bummed out. Waiting for more adds so I can be happy as I sit here waiting for the AMAs…

Do you mean FYE, molls?

GAH – sorry, it’s Monday! Can’t even write coherently yet!!

as i recall, it was Danny who said on several occasions that he doesn’t want to go to the CCM route, he wants to make pop music with latin infusion.

LOL, oh who could forget his R&B salsa fusion music? Bwahahaha. I can’t see any A&R person taking him seriously, though, with that crap and I imagine he could have been talked into just about anything, which is why I kinda doubt the country thing was Danny’s idea. 19 had a line up of people in the top 20 who could slide right into a CCM slot last season, so I figured they were looking to promote a CCM artist. Maybe the plan is to eventually sell Kris to CCM as a Christian soft rocker in addition to promoting him to HAC, and Danny got put into another slot?

Right now, Michael Buble is held up as Mr. Wonderful in the ‘male jazz singer’  role, and he’s about as exciting as watching paint dry. I think Matt could kick his ass.

ITA. Buble is overrated

Ross – that was my point exactly. And a lot of people don’t read behind a headline and introductory paragraph. I blame Brian Mansfield, not Kris. I don’t get the feeling that Kris is bitter – I get the feeling Brian is, and perpetuates that notion by his headline and opening. He does Kris a disservice, IMO.

Taylor mentioned Kris today on Twitter:

Taylorrhicks: Palm Beach was a blast.. Reading about Kris Allens record. Good Luck to Him!!
about 1 hour ago from txt

About Danny, I don’t think he wanted to alienate a large portion of his fans, for one thing. Christian music is a niche market for sure, and many of his fans do not listen to that type of music.

As for his single, it sounded more country than many of the songs I’ve heard passing for country these days…but what do I know. At any rate, it’s just one song. He’s got a whole album coming out, and I do wonder what the rest of it sounds like.

I know he’s doing a show with other country artisits in December, so they seem to be trying to market him in country, as opposed to “tricking” him into singing CCM…lol. A few country people/bloggers have had positive things to say about him. It sucks that it was this particular radio director that said that (being his hometown and all), but it’s still one person’s opinion. I guess Danny’s grandma won’t be to happy with him, since I hear she is one of the stations biggest listeners/fans…lol.

Anyway, I wish him luck. All we can really do is wait and see and hope for the best.

Btw, Michael was way more anti-country (said he definately did not want to do it) than Danny ever was. And I don’t remember him saying anything about going country until AFTER Danny said something about it. I distinctly remember thinking that he was following Danny’s lead.

The vibe I get from Kris is that he is a easy going layed back type of person so if the media wants to talk about Adam whats he gonna say really… He is just trying to put a positive spin on a bad situation with the media.. I have never seen kris give a ‘woe is me’  attitude just a “this is me” type attitude.

Maybe the plan is to eventually sell Kris to CCM as a Christian soft rocker, and Danny got put into another slot?

Based on Kris’s album, I don’t think so.

Kris must be so excited. I don’t care how zen one is this is a big freaking deal to have your first CD released.

Ok why is there not a AOL Streaming of Adam Album….Hello!!!!!

rowenaaine, I got what you meant, and you’re probably right. I don’t think Mansfield had to take that tack yet again. I suppose people could misinterpret Kris’s remarks, but I was more concerned that your remarks were being misinterpreted — since someone else picked up on it right away and said that they were tired of “woe is me” from Kris.

I interpreted it that way. I might not have if he hadn’t made the statement a few weeks ago about why he doesn’t get magazine covers. But coupled with that, yeah, I get that impression. It doesn’t matter though, we all interpret based on what we’re feeling. No one is immune from the practice of people assuming something from their words, not even Kris.

True! We all interpret based on what we’re feeling. It’s kind of amazing how people read things differently based on their likes and dislikes, moods, etc.

I do think it is a huge stretch, though, to say Kris is either feeling self-pity, or that he is bitter, based on those simple remarks, which I took to be just a statement of fact. It was Mansfield who used the “underdog” line, and Kris answered his questions as best he could.

Another paragraph from that article:

Allen says the underdog role suits him, but “not in an I-need-to-prove-myself way. I’m very understated. It worked out on the show, and I think it’s going to work out in my career, too.”

This was how he was re-interpreting “underdog,” and I think it’s pretty clear he was putting a positive spin on it, seeing it as a good thing, and NOT feeling woe-is-me, bitter, or anything like that.

I interpreted it that way. I might not have if he hadn’t made the statement a few weeks ago about why he doesn’t get magazine covers. But coupled with that, yeah, I get that impression. It doesn’t matter though, we all interpret based on what we’re feeling. No one is immune from the practice of people assuming something from their words, not even Kris.

What I don’t understand, though, is what reaction to the basic question of “you don’t seem to be getting as much attention as Adam” could possibly be valid, then. Does he try and make the claim that he is getting as much attention? He’d come off as disingenuous/delirious, and rightly so. Does he try and say that it doesn’t matter? Well, that just leaves him at delirious. Does he (as he has) claim that it doesn’t matter to him personally, he enjoys his position, and he’ll continue as is? He gets accused of playing to pity, apparently. It’s not like the question “why aren’t you getting magazine covers?” is in an uninformed and unreflected light by the questioner. So what the heck is he supposed to say?

girlygirl
11/16/2009 at 12:01 pm
Brian Mansfield has posted a longer version of his interview/article about Kris than the version that actually made the print edition of USA Today

http://content.usatoday.com/communities/idolchatter/post/2009/11/kris-allen-some-people-still-dont-know-i-won-the-show/1

This article explains what Kris said better (about people not knowing he won AI8 up to now)… he “deadpans”, according to Bryan. He does not mean it – neither people not knowing he won nor this “woe is me” attitude being discussed here. I think this is just Kris’ humor being misinterpreted. IMO.

Matt should get signed, like, NOW!

He was kickass awsome on the tour and so deserves to be given a chance (hell- if they gave Danny a chance…)

Based on Kris’s album, I don’t think so.

Correct me if I’m wrong, but doesn’t Switchfoot get a lot of play on CCM despite not being CCM artists, per say? I could see LLWD being CCM friendly. Just a random thought, though.

I wasn’t blaming Kris either although he does seem happy/comfortable with the underdog role-less expectations, less pressure. I was stating that I am getting tired of the whole underdog theme for the winner after all this time. He deserves more. But it is a win/win situation for Kris I guess.

‘I’m here for you information’ !!!!!!!

I almost laughed really loud in public. Thanks a lot. XD! Now I have to give the song at least one listen or read the lyrics and change them so they sound like Adam is here to give someone information instead of entertainment. Someone have the lyrics?

And Kris NEVER sounded sad to me. I didn’t even detect him being upset the time Simon said Danny did better than he did in their duet, and I don’t blame him for being upset there.

I think Kris is just fine being who he is, but it certainly wouldn’t kill him to show enthusiasm just once.

I’m gonna have Krisgasms tomorrow so I guess I’ll be happy enough for the both of us (That term does not work as well as Adamgasm >_>).

Good for Michael, he was one of my early favorites. But I’m still WTF’ing at Matt not getting signed. If he doesn’t get signed soon I will pour water down my pants at school. Okay, not really X_X.

Ok why is there not a AOL Streaming of Adam Album’ ¦.Hello!!!!!

I know. I guess RCA doesn’t want to…building up excitement? Releasing one single at a time? Killing us?

eh all the idols are damned no matter what they say.

That’s real marketing! Meet SB and have afternoon tea with her ?!

http://www.amazon.com/music-rock-classical-pop-jazz/b/ref=sa_menu_mu1?ie=UTF8&node=5174&pf_rd_p=328655101&pf_rd_s=left-nav-1&pf_rd_t=101&pf_rd_i=507846&pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_r=0R80KY421MHMM7EVPTT3

Correct me if I’m wrong, but doesn’t Switchfoot get a lot of play on CCM despite not being CCM artists, per say? I could see LLWD being CCM friendly. Just a random thought, though.

I agree on the song, and Jive has sent it to CCM. My point was that I don’t think 19E/Jive is looking to send him in the Christian soft-rock direction which is what the original poster was stating. There’s definite cross-over potential for him with LLWD, but I think his main genres are Pop/HAC/Top40.

Meet SB and have afternoon tea with her ?!

Oh, wow! Doesn’t that sound like fun.

That’s real marketing! Meet SB and have afternoon tea with her ?!

I have NO interest in having tea with Susan Boyle….now a beer with Kris Allen or a cosmo with Adam Lambert? Sign me up

Okay- has anyone heard the clips from Take One yet? I know we are not supposed to buy this album but holy shit I never heard Adam sing in this low of a register. The first song is almost completely unrecognizable, but my God, the guy literally CAN sing anything.

ETA- they are not clips- they are the whole songs!

http://glambertnews.ning.com/

suebrody
11/16/2009 at 12:40 pm
Ok why is there not a AOL Streaming of Adam Album’ ¦.Hello!!!!!

I know. I guess RCA doesn’t want to’ ¦building up excitement? Releasing one single at a time? Killing us?

Killing us softly with his song, telling our whole lives with his words, killing us softly..lalalala…

One of my favorite songs… lol

I would like to have a cup of tea with Adam. Only I suspect it would be stronger than tea. Like whiskey, which he enjoyed with GaGa as they recorded his single.

BTW, every time I see SB I think you mean me. So would anyone like to have a cup of tea with me?

Go, Matt! He was the happy surprise of the AI tour for me, a genuine musician. hope he’s making a really strong record.

And as a figure skating nut, I love the idea of Mindydoo and Phil singing while Olympic skaters glide and twirl! I’m sure that will wind up on TV, as most of Scotty H’s productions do…

I get annoyed by this underdog kind of publicity. I for one, would not like to sell my products by promoting pitiful feelings. But it seems that Kris is happy with it.

He does seem happy with it. Going back to read both articles again to see if I see it differently.

uh!? Kris longing for pity feelings…. rofl! this guy is over the moon to be achieving his dream of having a music career. His album is great and each performance just screams the passion he has for doing music.
Journalists are going to run for a while on the underdog stuff.. not much surprise here..

Have looked to 2 interviews of Kris this morning and to me he seems a bit tired. I guess the interviews were like at 4 or 5 in the morning for him. lol at the new plaid…. glad it’s today and not tomorrow

Glad for Sarver that he gets a record deal. I’m under the impression that he could do ok in the country music world

wjmtv, awww, totally agree with you for Matt taking the jazz route. As I like much jazz too, I’d be very interested for what he would come up with

Question… shouldn’t Adam’s album be livestreaming like they did for Kris? I was expecting that today, now nothing. Anyone have any info?

The ‘Woe is me’  is getting old. The underdog story is getting old. The flying under the radar analogy is getting old. Just put out some music as the AI winner and act like a winner even if everybody don’t know you won-which I seriously doubt! Two articles say the same thing. I have seen others. It is getting way too boring. I would rather hear more positive things about Kris than a constant explanation about the season’s surprise win/winner.

I agree with you 100%. I hope we don’t have to hear the same thing by next year.

‘I’m here for you information’ !!!!!!!

Soon to be playing at an Information Booth Near You!

Oh, do you know where you want to go to?
Can you read the maps that I gave you?
‘Cause it’s about to get tough for you
I’m here for your information!

Oh, I bet you thought I was young and stupid
Minimum wage, failure, drop-out kid
Well I’m about to make you flip your lid
I’m here for your information

i think Danny knows that he can always go Gospel/CCM. and i think its stupid for him not try the other genres. a door have opened, and he is taking advantage of it. his single may not sound country, but what does country sound these days. he is refusing to disappear like the tptb wants him to and it looks like he is going to work hard for it. he got a chance. he is taking it, and if he fails, at least he gave it a try.

not a fan of his, never was. but i have to admire his determination. he wants that piece of a pie. if he is successful, then he made the right choice, if he is not, hey, truckers stiil make good money.

now a beer with Kris Allen or a cosmo with Adam Lambert? Sign me up

I can go for that. I would love to hang out with those guys – the two of them together is so much fun and add David Cook and some munchies and I would be a happy girl.

My take is Kris is not feeling self pity or resentment. I think any impression of annoyance is more to do with the fact he is getting asked the question. I believe he is happy for Adam and happy for himself. If it were me I would be annoyed too if people were trying to get me in a dispute with a person who I consider my friend and who is a completely different performer and artist that what I am.

Studio57
11/16/2009 at 12:44 pm
Okay- has anyone heard the clips from Take One yet? I know we are not supposed to buy this album but holy shit I never heard Adam sing in this low of a register. The first song is almost completely unrecognizable, but my God, the guy literally CAN sing anything.

http://glambertnews.ning.com/

OMG YES!!! I heard Light Falls Away and LMAO. I didn’t recognize his country sounding low register. Made me want (no pun intended) Nov. 23rd to be here that much more.

BTW Congratulations to Sarver for getting signed to a major label. Good luck, Sarver!

suebrody
11/16/2009 at 12:40 pm
Ok why is there not a AOL Streaming of Adam Album’ ¦.Hello!!!!!

yeah, where is the streaming of Adam album?!?

Studio57, I heard most of the album (or were they just clips? maybe clips) on YouTube. His voice was a wonderful as always, but the songs just blended into each other (i.e., BORING). Want (the remix of December) is the best of the lot, and that has no lyrics (but I did download it, smacking self):

Love…is what we want
It’s all that we really need
Love, love, love, love, love, love, love (rinse and repeat)

My take is Kris is not feeling self pity or resentment. I think any impression of annoyance is more to do with the fact he is getting asked the question. I believe he is happy for Adam and happy for himself. If it were me I would be annoyed too if people were trying to get me in a dispute with a person who I consider my friend and who is a completely different performer and artist that what I am.

Well put, this has always been my interpretation.

Question’ ¦ shouldn’t Adam’s album be livestreaming like they did for Kris? I was expecting that today, now nothing. Anyone have any info?

There was never an AOL announcement that this would happen for Adam. They put out an press release for all of Kris’s AOL related initiatives which included full CD streaming and an AOL Sessions in the future.

Studio57
11/16/2009 at 12:44 pm

Okay- has anyone heard the clips from Take One yet? I know we are not supposed to buy this album but holy shit I never heard Adam sing in this low of a register. The first song is almost completely unrecognizable, but my God, the guy literally CAN sing anything.

ETA- they are not clips- they are the whole songs!

http://glambertnews.ning.com/

That first song is Adam? He sounds more like Cook or Daughtry. Wow lower register is cool. I know we should really no be enjoying this Take One Album, but, since the FYE is not live streaming got to work with what I got.

Okay- has anyone heard the clips from Take One yet? I know we are not supposed to buy this album but holy shit I never heard Adam sing in this low of a register. The first song is almost completely unrecognizable, but my God, the guy literally CAN sing anything.

http://glambertnews.ning.com/

Adam sounds good, the man can sing anything but damn those songs are DEPRESSING

I wasn’t blaming Kris either although he does seem happy/comfortable with the underdog role-less expectations, less pressure. I was stating that I am getting tired of the whole underdog theme for the winner after all this time. He deserves more.

Oh, maybe it was the way you put it. Anyhow, you’re right, and I’m going to look at the longer article someone posted now.

I think Kris is just fine being who he is, but it certainly wouldn’t kill him to show enthusiasm just once.

From the backward glances he was giving at the album cover in the interview he did this morning, with the “fake-scared” looks he was doing, I think he’s mostly apprehensive. And really tired. I think I just realized for the first time, if I put myself in his shoes, how apprehensive I would be. It’s a great moment for him but also a scary moment. Sink or swim.

I don’t need to see enthusiasm from him (he’s enthusiastic onstage, making music) but I’d like to see him be able to relax a little and know he’s worked hard for a result that’s going to get him something.

koshka- it DOES sound country! I kept saying, this is NOT Adam, lol. But damn if I don’t like it, lol.

Sue- I think the clips were on youtube- these are full songs. I have it playing in the background right now and I swear I am listening to a country album, lol.

dhuken- HAHA! Hey- we got our live streaming album to tie us over.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ouACslFYIcA Olly Murs appeared on the show called “Deal or No Deal” back in 2007.

Studio57
11/16/2009 at 12:44 pm
Okay- has anyone heard the clips from Take One yet? I know we are not supposed to buy this album but holy shit I never heard Adam sing in this low of a register. The first song is almost completely unrecognizable, but my God, the guy literally CAN sing anything.

ETA- they are not clips- they are the whole songs!

http://glambertnews.ning.com/

HOLY SHIT IS THAT ADAM LAMBERT?!?!?!?!?!?!?!

Kirsten
11/16/2009 at 12:46 pm
‘I’m here for you information’ !!!!!!!

Soon to be playing at an Information Booth Near You!

Oh, do you know where you want to go to?
Can you read the maps that I gave you?
‘Cause it’s about to get tough for you
I’m here for your information!

Oh, I bet you thought I was young and stupid
Minimum wage, failure, drop-out kid
Well I’m about to make you flip your lid
I’m here for your information

LOL. Not quite up to halfie‘s standards, but funny nevertheless!

Here’s another Kris interview from Fox Phoenix… http://www.myfoxphoenix.com/dpp/entertainment/music/kris_allen_111609

He tells the Christmas PJ story.

There was never an AOL announcement that this would happen for Adam. They put out an press release for all of Kris’s AOL related initiatives which included full CD streaming and an AOL Sessions in the future.

Sads.

BTW, am streaming John Mayer’s album. Boy, is it mellow…

And the more I think about it, the more I agree re: Kris. Let Idol go and let him just talk about the album and Tour. BTW, I was totally pissed off at Randy when he said on Oprah, Adam, do YOU think you should have won? What was he supposed to say, Yeah, I got screwed? He doesn’t feel that way, he’s made that clear, and even if he did, he could never say that. He said he wanted to make a record and that is what he got to do! Same with Kris.

Michael well I totally hear country when I hear him sing so I get that!!! And he will probably be great at song writing as he likes to wear his heart on his sleave… Danny welllll personally I never did get him so what ever he does I hope it works out for him.

FOX Arizona:

Since foiling Lambert at the “American Idol” finale last May, the 24-year-old singer-songwriter from Conway, Ark., has not appeared on the cover of Rolling Stone magazine and declared he’s gay. His music can’t be heard during the credits of the apocalyptic action flick “2012.” And you won’t find him posing in a racy Details photo shoot with a naked woman.

FOILING?! Geez, WTF? Is this about Kris or Adam? Pisses me the hell off for both of them.

Saw where John Mayer’s Album is #5 on Amazon moving up. Where is it on itunes?

I actually love his voice in Lights Fall Away. And guys guitar solo is nice. Oh hell I’m not pol-cor. Damn me…

Studio57-koshka- it DOES sound country! I kept saying, this is NOT Adam, lol. But damn if I don’t like it, lol.

Ok it does sound very country and it proves that Adam can sing anything….even country…. I knew he could…. BTW I like rock/pop/electronic/funk Adam better then this countrified version. (though it is not that bad)

I just went and checked out the AOL listening party & wanted to check out John Mayer. Does anyone think that Kris and John look like they could be brothers (at least by album covers). I noticed this in the Target ad. Their albums are placed right next to each other.

Saw where John Mayer’s Album is #5 on Amazon moving up. Where is it on itunes?

He’s at #6 on the iTunes top 100. “Who Says” is at #42 (his single, should get a major bump this week).

I feel guilty listening to Take One clips, but now I need to again…

FOILING?! Geez, WTF? Is this about Kris or Adam? Pisses me the hell off for both of them

More evidence that the media seems to have a bias – leave Adam out of Kris’s interviews. Seriously, they are seperate artists who happened to get their initial jump-off from the same place. And to say he foiled it, were the rest fo the contestants supposed to just roll-over and let Adam win?

I’ve been torturing myself listening to the garbage songs from Take One (I have them streaming here, too.)
I’m dying of lulz but also majorly impressed with Adam’s voice. I hope the DDD guys take a listen and modify that range chart, I’m sure he’s lower here than anything else that’s been listened to.

Thanks for the link to tha longer Brian Mansfield article. I liked the explanation about No Boundaries.

One thing that isn’t on Kris Allen is the coronation song, No Boundaries. The song also was dropped from the set list after the first week of this summer’s American Idols Live tour. Kris is one of the few Idols not to include his coronation song on his first album.

“Not that the song was bad, but it never really had a chance,” he says. “It was bashed the minute we sang it on the show. When you do that, people aren’t going to respond to it well. And if they don’t respond to it on the show, they’re not going to respond to it on the album, either.”

That to me is just samrt marketing.

LOL. Not quite up to halfie’s standards, but funny nevertheless!

Okay, let’s not start fanwars on the song re-writing front (Heh. Anybody remember “Clive Talking”? Season 5 wasn’t all bad around here).

One thing that isn’t on Kris Allen is the coronation song, No Boundaries.

Fans and non-fans alike can be thankful for that.

For the love of god they need to stop bringing up Adam everytime Kris is in the room. They don’t bring up Kris when Adam has his press junkets. I love Adam, but JFC this is Kris’s week and he’s holding a press junket for the release of his album tomorrow. Would it hurt these reporters to do their homework for once and ask relevant questions about the album? And LOL at the whole “foiling Adam Lambert” thing. I guess Kris and the fans “foiled” the master plan when he became the American Idol. Goodness these things are ridiculous.

And all these articles are essentially paraphrases of other articles. Either they yak on and on about how unassuming Kris is (as if people didn’t know that already), or they talk about the three songs that they listened to (or just liked) on the album (so far it has been the single LLWD, Red Guitar, and Alright With Me).

This is all the more reason why I don’t trust reviews of CDs. None of them seem to agree with each other. The EW review talks about how Kris’s CD does not have his signature on it. The People.com review talks about his lack of emotion (They must be deaf, seriously. I Need to Know, hello?). What surprises me is the consensus these writers have that “Heartless” is the best track on the record. I like this new “Heartless”, but really?

*facepalm* If this is “Kris Drizzle”, wake me up when it ends.

Or smart marketing. I think I like that better than samrt. Sorry, but my computer won’t let me ediot edik edit, for some reason.

Okay, let’s not start fanwars on the song re-writing front

Sorry you took it that way. It’s certainly not the way it was meant.

Though Want and December are the same song. I like the Want version better!!!

Sorry you took it that way. It’s certainly not the way it was meant.

I was joking.

Is that really him on Lights Fall Away? Seriously? It doesn’t sound like him at all.

FOILING?! Geez, WTF? Is this about Kris or Adam? Pisses me the hell off for both of them

The foiling thing kind of gave me pause. Makes it seem like Adam had some dastardly plan. Heh

Listened to the whole thing now. There were definitely some stinkers on there, but there were a couple that pleasantly suprised me. Definitely unpolished, unfinished songs. I really like Light Falls Away, but more for the way he sings than the actual song.

Dear God,

Please let one song on FYE have that lower register on it. It’s like buttah.

Thank You
Studio 57

dhunken- I liked the Want version too- and one of the last songs had the words “On With The Show” in it, wasn’t that another song, or was it the original name of this album?

http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/music/2009/11/16/2009-11-16_pop_go_the_holidays_with_big_releases_from_kris_allen_john_mayer_rihanna_susan_b.html

Story about new released. Check out the caption under Kris’s picture. Oh well, at least they got his name right in the headline.

Dear God,

Please let one song on FYE have that lower register on it. It’s like buttah.

Thank You
Studio 57

From Me too God!!!!

#
CindyM
11/16/2009 at 1:12 pm

http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/music/2009/11/16/2009-11-16_pop_go_the_holidays_with_big_releases_from_kris_allen_john_mayer_rihanna_susan_b.html

Story about new released. Check out the caption under Kris’s picture. Oh well, at least they got his name right in the headline.
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Kris Brown do you know Adam Bolton he was on American Idol the same year you were!….

I’ve been torturing myself listening to the garbage songs from Take One (I have them streaming here, too.)
I’m dying of lulz but also majorly impressed with Adam’s voice.

When I hear these songs it suprise me they are Adam, I love the deep voice and am majorly impressed with the voice also, I on the other hand am not dying of lulz.. the voice impresses me to much.. the song writing may be hohum. I would love to buy the album.. but won’t on principal!!!

CindyM
11/16/2009 at 1:12 pm
http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/music/2009/11/16/2009-11-16_pop_go_the_holidays_with_big_releases_from_kris_allen_john_mayer_rihanna_susan_b.html

Story about new released. Check out the caption under Kris’s picture. Oh well, at least they got his name right in the headline.

LMAO exactly who is Kris Brown?

dhunken- I liked the Want version too- and one of the last songs had the words ‘On With The Show’  in it, wasn’t that another song, or was it the original name of this album?

That was the original name of the Bastard Album!!!

Kris Brown do you know Adam Bolton he was on American Idol the same year you were!’ ¦.

LOL, funny. I’d hope that a newspaper would be able to get it right though. At least they spilled Kris right! The other spelling would have brought up another whole set of unfortunate connections.

LMAO exactly who is Kris Brown?

I also wanted to say that this ranks right up there with the GMA guy calling Adam..”Adam Lampert” Great job guys.

When I hear these songs it suprise me they are Adam, I love the deep voice and am majorly impressed with the voice also, I on the other hand am not dying of lulz..

I can’t freaking believe that’s Adam singing in ‘lights fall away’!!!

FOILING?! Geez, WTF? Is this about Kris or Adam? Pisses me the hell off for both of them

The foiling thing kind of gave me pause. Makes it seem like Adam had some dastardly plan. Heh

I know the first thing that went through my head was ‘Curses foiled again’

LMAO exactly who is Kris Brown?

IK! Please get the name right. It’s Chris Brown.

BeckyMD
11/16/2009 at 1:21 pm
When I hear these songs it suprise me they are Adam, I love the deep voice and am majorly impressed with the voice also, I on the other hand am not dying of lulz..

I can’t freaking believe that’s Adam singing in ‘lights fall away’!!!

When I hear him sing this song.. All I can see is some husky blond guy with a ciggy hanging out of his mouth as he drives his beaten up F150 across texas.

The foiling thing kind of gave me pause. Makes it seem like Adam had some dastardly plan. Heh

And he would have succeeded too, if it hadn’t been for that meddling kid!

Roh-roh!

http://www.nbcchicago.com/news/tech/How-Music-Is-Stolen-In-2009-70193077.html

This is really sad. I hate people who upload songs and albums for illegal download. It’s stealing pure and simple. People call themselves fans and then do this? It’s unreal.

I also wish they hadn’t used Adam’s picture or example for the article.

LOL for some reason that whole “foiled” phrase gave me this visual of Adam rubbing his hands together, saying “I’ll get you, my pretty!”

Ah, these journalists are hilarious.

Spindleshay- I was thinking the exact thing! I would love for DDD to hear that lower register! I know nothing about musical notes, but that had to increase his range alot more than any of us thought he had!

Who’s voice is that reminding me of, is it Marc Cohn? The Walking In Memphis dude?

LMAO@ The Bastard Album, dhunken!

Cindy M- That article makes me sad. I had a feeling people were illegally downloading again. It stopped for awhile after Lars Ulrich started that campaign against Napster and people started getting sued for downloading, but everyone is right back at it again, I guess. I ALWAYS support the artists i like, so sad that other people don’t.

My daughter was telling me just yesterday that one of her friends iat her college already has Justin Bieber’s whole album downloaded, and it isn’t set to release until next week.

When I hear him sing this song.. All I can see is some husky blond guy with a ciggy hanging out of his mouth as he drives his beaten up F150 across texas.

LOL… I am sure Adam could transform himself to be that guy.. But does he want too.. ROTFL

CindyM
11/16/2009 at 1:27 pm

http://www.nbcchicago.com/news/tech/How-Music-Is-Stolen-In-2009-70193077.html

This is really sad. I hate people who upload songs and albums for illegal download. It’s stealing pure and simple. People call themselves fans and then do this? It’s unreal.

I also wish they hadn’t used Adam’s picture or example for the article.

I know right….they might as well have a link right to where you can download his album…Stupid.

When I hear him sing this song.. All I can see is some husky blond guy with a ciggy hanging out of his mouth as he drives his beaten up F150 across texas.

Adam does have a trucker’s cap and fugly sunglasses…Now he just needs a toothless smirk; instead of adding teeth, he needs to get rid of some.

BTW, that article not only bothered me about Kris but about Adam (like it was Kris’s to win, but Adam screwed up, oh, and BTW, Adam’s a gay whore).

For the love of god they need to stop bringing up Adam everytime Kris is in the room. They don’t bring up Kris when Adam has his press junkets.

While I agree and wish that they didn’t bring up the other guy, they do it for both men. They do ask Adam about Kris, how it felt to lose to him, was he okay with it, blah blah. And of course Adam gives his stock answer about it. It’s to be expected, annoying and dull though it must be for both men, and certainly for their fans.

I know I get tired of all this ‘dark horse/underdog/poor widdle Kris, he’s not doing all that showy, (implied bad/Hollywood) stuff like Adam, he’s just making good ol’ music that mean something to his heart. And he has NO expectations on him, because, well Adam is on magazine covers!’ feh.

I definitely need more tea before I can wade through these interviews and make more cogent arguments than ‘shut up stupid loser heads whose heads are filled with loser!’ and ‘grrrrrrr.’ Though I expect that Kris will be as expectedly charming, and cute as ever.

Sarver: My very poor investigative techniques lead me to believe that his record label has recently been “picked up” by Universal…and is in fact an old Christian label.

Gokey: I think Gokey is being bamboozled by a lot of folks right now. RCA Nashville may have “told” him that they are leading him down the country path, but given that Mark Bright is his producer and the head honcho of Word I’ll bet my first born that Danny will be slowly moved into the Christian format without him even knowing it. Anyone who thinks that record executives aren’t devious enough to pull this stunt aren’t looking at the situation, realistically, IMHO. If his single was going to be marketed “country” then what is Danny doing in Southern California singing at Church. The Southwest has a HUGE “big church” Christian demographic and multiple Christian radio stations. Bet Danny is being “tried out” for this market. Personally I think it is just where Danny belongs, and I’m not being cynical or snarky, just realistic.

Kris needs to stop playing the “I’m just a musician from Arkansas” card and start acting like a competent and talented singer with a major label backed CD dropping tomorrow. I’m sure he doesn’t look at it as schtick, but it sure plays that way for me and it is starting to become somewhat nauseating. C’mn Kris, you are in the big leagues now and you are in your mid twenties. Kick those balls into gear and develop some good self esteem and start really selling yourself. He’s the only one that can really do that.

Mighty fine picture of Kris Brown!

Do we know if his band will be with him on GMA tomorrow or is it another Kris/Cale event? I’m thinking it’s the full band, but don’t know for sure…

So, you can upload, I dunno, the new Adam Lambert album

oh i dunno how about nobody’s album

BTW, that article not only bothered me about Kris but about Adam (like it was Kris’s to win, but Adam screwed up, oh, and BTW, Adam’s a gay whore).

What??

I also wish they hadn’t used Adam’s picture or example for the article.

So very true…but…er…he looks mighty cute in that picture.

*shallow*

ETA: seriously, very true. Like those articles that tell you to NOT make a bomb and then give you step-by-step directions.

http://www.nbcchicago.com/news/tech/How-Music-Is-Stolen-In-2009-70193077.html

This is really sad. I hate people who upload songs and albums for illegal download. It’s stealing pure and simple. People call themselves fans and then do this? It’s unreal.

They practically just informed everyone who didn’t already know how, how to steal an album. I know it happens but the thought of someone stealing Dave’s, Adam’s, or Kris’, album makes my blood boil. I still refuse to download Analog Heart that way, even though you can’t buy it.

When I hear him sing this song.. All I can see is some husky blond guy with a ciggy hanging out of his mouth as he drives his beaten up F150 across texas.

Oh Gawd.. I think I just described Michael (who is zero on the sexy scale for me). LOL Oh, damn the sexy Adam thoughts just left my head. This may call for some therapy or at least a drink.

Since foiling Lambert at the “American Idol” finale last May, the 24-year-old singer-songwriter from Conway, Ark., has not appeared on the cover of Rolling Stone magazine and declared he’s gay. His music can’t be heard during the credits of the apocalyptic action flick “2012.” And you won’t find him posing in a racy Details photo shoot with a naked woman.

Okay, sorry, not gay whore, but I don’t like the whole, Kris is pure while that other, guy, well, you *know*…

Tess:

Kris needs to stop playing the ‘I’m just a musician from Arkansas’  card and start acting like a competent and talented singer with a major label backed CD dropping tomorrow. I’m sure he doesn’t look at it as schtick, but it sure plays that way for me and it is starting to become somewhat nauseating. C’mn Kris, you are in the big leagues now and you are in your mid twenties. Kick those balls into gear and develop some good self esteem and start really selling yourself. He’s the only one that can really do that.

I don’t understand what you want him to do here. He’s not “playing a card” – that’s just the way he is. I’ve seen successful bands do interviews and they don’t feel like they have to “sell themselves” – the music just speaks for itself. I also think that what comes across to you as a lack of self-esteem, comes across to me as a quiet confidence. Just saying.

@Truthiness: I have seen Adam’s interviews where he gets asked the question of what it’s like to lose to Kris, but it’s pretty rare, IMO, compared to when Kris gets asked that in every. single. interview. If you read a lot of the interviews of Kris online, you would garner that a large part of the media still isn’t over the fact that Kris did win season 8 of American Idol. Adam’s articles start out with how he lost out to Kris but he’s this huge superstar anyway and it doesn’t matter (and he is, but it feels like more of a “oh, it doesn’t matter who won because Adam is the REAL winner” kind of thing). A lot of Adam’s articles are substantial ones, which is great, because that means the writers are really doing their jobs and giving the public what they want to know about Adam and all his collaborations with these talented writers and producers and music video directors, etc. Why don’t they have the same enthusiasm for Kris?

I don’t want to get into fan wars or anything, as this is definitely not my intention, but it gets exasperating at times to expect credit where credit is due, and yet some people still want to play sour grapes. Like, why (as a reporter) would you ask Kris how he feels that other people don’t think he’s the winner? Why would you ask that, if not to deliberately make him feel uncomfortable and unwanted in the music industry? Would people ask Adam if he feels like he was the “real winner” of American Idol because of all the publicity he gets?

The Out 100 article and interview of Adam are out.

The 2009 Out 100
http://www.popnography.com/2009/11/the-2009-out-100.html

Adam Lambert: The Out Interview, Part One
http://www.out.com/detail.asp?id=26191

‘Some people still don’t know I won the show,’  says the 24-year-old singer from Arkansas, whose self-titled debut album arrives Tuesda

Um, yeah Kris probably about four and a half billion of them. Such a humble soul that Mr. Allen.

Congratulations Michael Sarver!!!

I looked up Dream Records/Universal and found a site for Dream Records. Something about Dream & Universal made me think movies and Spielberg but no … as far as I can tell it’s a small but healthy label that seems to be supportive of Idol (judging by their home page).

Anyway, good for Michael. I’m looking forward to hearing him sing an original composition. He obviously enjoys writing songs so it’s nice that he gets to do it.

On another front: I’m really curious why so many people say that they enjoy Adam Lambert’s “lower register”. I’m not entirely sure that I know what they mean. He’s a tenor or high tenor and it’s not natural for him to sing out of that range. In fact, he could damage his voice if he does it too much.

So I get the fact that people like a lower “sound”, in general, but (depending on how low you mean) that’s not really him. He may need to adjust his own improvisational preferences by a step or two for touring purposes. But putting him in too low a range … it’s just not where his voice is meant to sit. Physically, vocally … it puts BB in the wrong corner.

OUT Interview (Part 1)
Really good

http://www.out.com/detail.asp?page=1&id=26191

I still refuse to download Analog Heart that way, even though you can’t buy it.

Aw, seriously, David himself has given his express permission for fans to download AH. It will probably never be available for sale again (sob), and he wants fans to have it.

ETA: Just saw on twitter that David Cook will be on Regis & Kelly next Monday (the 23rd).

Sooo’ ¦.I have a question that’s kinda related. I’ve been wondering something for awhile, so I thought I’d throw it out there. Does anyone know how the division of power and decision making shakes down between 19R and Jive/RCA/RCA Nashville, etc, when these AI artists are co-signed to both labels? Or is this a big mystery? Also, is it possible that whatever relationship Sony has with 19 in regards to AI has changed when Clive was demoted and Barry promoted? You know, it’s nice to know at whom you should direct your stone throwing.”

sunchick I can’t say I KNOW but IMO it’s definitely evolved. The first few seasons the albums were 50 percent picked by 19 and 50 percent by RCA/J. Then there was a renegotiation between 19 and RCA the 3rd season of AI when there were rumors that 19 might ditch BMG and go to Universal. Instead they came to terms with RCA.

After that it seems like 19 focused on the management side of things and representing the AIers and trying to help them find the people they wanted to work with while the BMG label would provide the more formula people as far as producers, writing partners, and songs. 19′s become more an advocate for the AIers. Like Kelly thanked Simon Fuller and 19 for supporting her against RCA when she made Breakaway (19 found the song Breakaway for Kelly too) and 19 supported Carrie’s bid to be country even though there were people at BMG who wanted her to be more pop. I think that’s how it’s stayed since then as far as the role that 19 takes.

As far as promotion and stuff like that both the label and 19 have publicists and the smart thing IMO for any AIer to do is hire their own independent publicist who isn’t beholden to the label or management. They still get support from management and label PR of course. It’s all a complicated web and when things go good it’s because everybody’s doing well and when things don’t there’s rarely just one part of the machine that’s to blame IMO.

I also wish Kris would re-release Brand New Shoes so we can buy it. I felt horrible having to download the thing because there were absolutely zero copies to be found online.

If his single was going to be marketed ‘country’  then what is Danny doing in Southern California singing at Church.

Tess, the church where Danny was singing is the church where he volunteered to help the homeless during his Idol run. He has since become friends with the pastor. I don’t think this was in any way a gig set up by the record company.

He does have a gig in December singing in a bar in Charlotte, NC with some other country artists. I plan on being there. This would be what is being set up by the record label. I do believe that the record label is going to try to market him in country and crossover to Christian, also. We’ll see whether it works or not, but I don’t think he’s being bamboozled.

Danny may well eventually end up in Gospel music, possibly CCM (although I remember Danny saying that he loved Gospel music, but not CCM so much.) I do think he would do very well in that market, but I really hope that’s not where he ends up. I can’t picture myself attending a mega church to hear him sing. But I do love his voice and I really like his single. And it sounds pretty country to me.

I don’t understand what you want him to do here. He’s not ‘playing a card’  ‘“ that’s just the way he is. I’ve seen successful bands do interviews and they don’t feel like they have to ‘sell themselves’  ‘“ the music just speaks for itself. I also think that what comes across to you as a lack of self-esteem, comes across to me as a quiet confidence. Just saying.

To those of us who are Kris critics and probably to people who don’t really know who he is, it comes across as unprofessional and almost like he doesn’t really care. You hit a keyword, successful bands. As of now Kris is not a successful artist (neither is Adam), he is a new artist. New artists can’t just go out there and mumble their way through an interview and not sell themselves.

I’ve wanted to like Kris. I’ve wanted to get what people see in him musically but his interviews and style just haven’t done it. When he says he’s just a musician from Arkansas, that is all I see. A random musician from Arkansas, not a star.

Aw, seriously, David himself has given his express permission for fans to download AH. It will probably never be available for sale again (sob), and he wants fans to have it.

That is what everybody says on DCO. But does anyone have a link to where he said that? I still don’t know if I want to because it is technically illegal, and it goes against my religious beliefs. So it would take alot of persuasion.

I have always seen Matt as a Jazz type artist maybe I am wrong, could it be that he still needs to define which direction he most fits into before a lable will pick him up?

Adam, Kris & Allison are the lucky ones; they can make music in the genres they wanted. Unlike Danny, Sarver and Matt; Danny wanted to do Latin/Soul ended up in country music, Matt sounds better in Jazz/blues, but he wants to do something else. Sarver wanted to do R&B, but ended up signed by country label.

I also wish Kris would re-release Brand New Shoes so we can buy it. I felt horrible having to download the thing because there were absolutely zero copies to be found online.

I doubt he will. He has said numerous times that he has moved on from that.

That is what everybody says on DCO. But does anyone have a link to where he said that?

I dont have a link but he said it to some fans by the buses a few different times during the AI tour. I heard him say it myself once. He seemed pretty pissed that copies of AH were being sold for so much money.

As a person who listens to jazz more than anything, I would love it if Matt went the jazz route. Right now, Michael Buble is held up as Mr. Wonderful in the ‘male jazz singer’  role, and he’s about as exciting as watching paint dry. I think Matt could kick his ass.

Except that Matt has expressed zero interest in jazz. I also beg to disagree about Bubl. I find him very charismatic and entertaining in his live concerts and apparently so do many others, judging by his CD and concert tickets sales. He’s also a very popular interview guest on talk shows.

Poor Kris. He probably doesn’t know that AI buble is not that big; and in real life not many people watch the show, thus they don’t know or even care who won and who didn’t.

American Idol still gets the biggest viewership of all U.S. weekly tv shows, so a great deal of people DO watch the show. Anyone who is aware of Adam Lambert and knows he is the AI runner-up ought to also know Kris was the winner.

Starr
11/16/2009 at 1:53 pm
I also wish Kris would re-release Brand New Shoes so we can buy it. I felt horrible having to download the thing because there were absolutely zero copies to be found online.

I’m feeling ya, Starr,

I want the Citizen Vein and Zodiac (sound)tracks so bad, it’s not even funny.

VAidolFan09
11/16/2009 at 1:56 pm

I don’t understand what you want him to do here. He’s not ‘playing a card’  ‘“ that’s just the way he is. I’ve seen successful bands do interviews and they don’t feel like they have to ‘sell themselves’  ‘“ the music just speaks for itself. I also think that what comes across to you as a lack of self-esteem, comes across to me as a quiet confidence. Just saying.

To those of us who are Kris critics and probably to people who don’t really know who he is, it comes across as unprofessional and almost like he doesn’t really care. You hit a keyword, successful bands. As of now Kris is not a successful artist (neither is Adam), he is a new artist. New artists can’t just go out there and mumble their way through an interview and not sell themselves.

I’ve wanted to like Kris. I’ve wanted to get what people see in him musically but his interviews and style just haven’t done it. When he says he’s just a musician from Arkansas, that is all I see. A random musician from Arkansas, not a star.

I think more often than not in these cases, what you expect from an artist tells more about who you are as a person, what you like and prefer. I personally do not like flashy bands. The bands I like are largely under the radar, no-nonsense, straightforward musicians who don’t really care about what they wear or how they look, or whether they can charm the pants off an interviewer. No matter how charming you are in person, it’s not going to make your music any better to someone’s ear.

Yes, I understand that packaging oneself is an important part of selling your music, but it seems like you’re asking someone who is not into that sort of thing to change the way they are to appease the public. Personally I think part of Kris’s charm is that he IS a star when he sets foot on that stage, but he doesn’t have a “star” persona when he’s off it. He’s just a regular guy. And what’s so wrong with that? I don’t get this whole notion of musicians and actors and actresses having to be “stars” on and off the set or the stage. Why can’t they be dorky and stupid and unassuming and inarticulate? Quirks are what make these people interesting. Asking them to iron them out so they come off as a better interview is unappealing to me, personally.

http://www.mtv.com/movies/news/articles/1626339/story.jhtml

Apparently they’re thinking of launching a 2012 tv show, kind of like Lost, about what happens after those arks float away. Maybe Time for Miracles can reappear on the small screen, lol.

I think that article saying Danny is headed for Christian music is pretty right on. It’s Only really sounds like a Christian song. As of now, no country stations have added It’s Only to their playlists either. (again, no idea if it was sent for adds.)

S8 is turning into kind of a mess for some reason. No clean launches for anyone yet as far as I’m concerned.

Out is not Out at B&N yet; they are very slow to get magazines. And TV Guide is still the Sesame Street issue.

lucy
11/16/2009 at 2:09 pm

http://www.mtv.com/movies/news/articles/1626339/story.jhtml

Apparently they’re thinking of launching a 2012 tv show, kind of like Lost, about what happens after those arks float away. Maybe Time for Miracles can reappear on the small screen, lol.

It seems a lot of networks are scrambling to pick up where Lost will leave off after this last upcoming season. Flashforward was ABC’s response to that Lost vacuum during the rest of Fall. A little OT, but I just dislike when these things happen. And plus, 2012 kind of sucked LOL

I dont have a link but he said it to some fans by the buses a few different times during the AI tour. I heard him say it myself once. He seemed pretty pissed that copies of AH were being sold for so much money.

Thanks Trina. I’m still going to have to think about downloading it though.

But does anyone have a link to where he said that? I still don’t know if I want to because it is technically illegal, and it goes against my religious beliefs. So it would take alot of persuasion.

I can’t actually open it, but there is a repost of an old article where he directly said it was okay, “but buy the next one.” It’s on one of the Filipino fan forums.

If you are really concerned about the ethical implications, I would suggest either donating $10 to ABC2, or (assuming you didn’t do so before) buying some (or all) of the current album tracks from Amazon so that a sale is registered. I bought the LO single and video solely to make up for the fact that I got music I didn’t pay for. Otherwise my one copy of the RCA album would have been sufficient.

Adam’s interviews are TMI, Kris’ are boring. Allison’s are nonexistent and Danny’s will be 99% about his foundation. I think I’ll skip any further interview from S8 thank you. When does S9 start again?

Adam’s interviews are TMI, Kris’ are boring. Allison’s are nonexistent and Danny’s will be 99% about his foundation. I think I’ll skip any further interview from S8 thank you. When does S9 start again?

This is the first thing you have ever written that actually made me laugh out loud.

jpfan
11/16/2009 at 2:22 pm
Adam’s interviews are TMI, Kris’ are boring. Allison’s are nonexistent and Danny’s will be 99% about his foundation. I think I’ll skip any further interview from S8 thank you. When does S9 start again?

But..but…but…There’s still Michael Sarver (emo puppy) to look forward to!! He just got a record deal! He’ll be interesting!! Don’t give up on Season 8 yet!

ok..g’head.

If you are really concerned about the ethical implications, I would suggest either donating $10 to ABC2, or (assuming you didn’t do so before) buying some (or all) of the current album tracks from Amazon so that a sale is registered. I bought the LO single and video solely to make up for the fact that I got music I didn’t pay for. Otherwise my one copy of the RCA album would have been sufficient.

I hadn’t thought of that. It makes sense. I
might consider doing that. At least I would feel better about it. Hugs!

He has said numerous times that he has moved on from that.

Is it part of the Idol winner’s contract that they have to disown all previously released music: even completely self-produced efforts?

That’s precisely the line that Cook gives out in relation to Analogue Heart and the Axium albums.

It really pisses me off, because finding the past albums greatly enriched my appreciation and understanding of Cook’s journey as a musician, as I’m sure Kris’s album did for his fans. If I suddenly discover a band that I like, as I did with Muse this year, I can go back and explore their back catalogue and purchase it. Nobody says, no – we have moved beyond that and are progressing and therefore nobody will ever be able to buy our previous music ever again!

Maybe that’s yet another reason why Taylor Hicks is Idol’s devil incarnate: he wouldn’t turn his back on his musical past.

I still hope that, one day, Cook will be open to allowing his stuff to come out into the open: maybe after the current RCA/19/Idol phase is over, however long that takes.

Congratulations Michael Sarver!!!

someone signed sarver before matt. i wldn’t have guessed. anyway congrats to him.

that take one album sounds all country to me. u guys are sure it’s Adam singing that first song?.

The out magazine interview is too good. just love that boy. he’s so honest and open.

Okay, sorry, not gay whore, but I don’t like the whole, Kris is pure while that other, guy, well, you *know*’ ¦

I got that feeling as well. It was the tired old narrative, Kris squeaky, clean, underdog, “organic,” vs. glitzy, gay, seasoned, in-your-face, overhyped Adam. Oh media, never stop your laziness. I might die from shock if that happened. Oh and I do mean that about media laziness, not just for AI, but in politics. I almost went bald last election from tearing my hair out at the media’s laziness.

This article sets back acceptance, imo:

http://gawker.com/5405847/adam-lambert-tries-to-play-it-straight-on-the-cover-of-big-gay-magazine

Eh, it’s Gawker. I will also die from shock if Gawker aren’t assholes to Adam. One of their main contributors, who is gay so it’s okay, has always been an asshole to Adam throughout the season and Gawker hasn’t let up since. Really they are one of those places that make me just ‘uh hunh,’ about the GLBT community and Adam.

S8 is turning into kind of a mess for some reason. No clean launches for anyone yet as far as I’m concerned.

I wonder to what extent this reflects major confusion — by labels and by radio — about where the music industry is going this year, even more than last year.

Seems to me we may be seeing even more radio conservatism than we’ve seen for a while, possibly because the economy is totally spooking them.

And we’re certainly seeing kind of “interesting” rollouts for these kids by the labels, and I wonder whether that reflects the labels’ even starker-than-previously realization that, to make a lot of money, they have to do something different … but nobody knows what that is.

I would think that, in tight times, even just your basic music buyer — or such few of us as remain, since so many of the kids are downloading free again — is more likely to buy a known quantity rather than somebody new. With performers kind of being like comfort food — you turn to the old standbys in times of economic turmoil…. Or something.

fadetowhite
11/16/2009 at 2:27 pm

He has said numerous times that he has moved on from that.

Is it part of the Idol winner’s contract that they have to disown all previously released music: even completely self-produced efforts?

That’s precisely the line that Cook gives out in relation to Analogue Heart and the Axium albums.

It really pisses me off, because finding the past albums greatly enriched my appreciation and understanding of Cook’s journey as a musician, as I’m sure Kris’s album did for his fans. If I suddenly discover a band that I like, as I did with Muse this year, I can go back and explore their back catalogue and purchase it. Nobody says, no ‘“ we have moved beyond that and are progressing and therefore nobody will ever be able to buy our previous music ever again!

Maybe that’s yet another reason why Taylor Hicks is Idol’s devil incarnate: he wouldn’t turn his back on his musical past.

I still hope that, one day, Cook will be open to allowing his stuff to come out into the open: maybe after the current RCA/19/Idol phase is over, however long that takes.

Great point! Anyone know the answer to this? Whether 19 has some weird thing about keeping pre-Idol albums under wraps?

Truthiness
11/16/2009 at 2:30 pm

I got that feeling as well. It was the tired old narrative, Kris squeaky, clean, underdog, ‘organic,’  vs. glitzy, gay, seasoned, in-your-face, overhyped Adam. Oh media, never stop your laziness. I might die from shock if that happened. Oh and I do mean that about media laziness, not just for AI, but in politics. I almost went bald last election from tearing my hair out at the media’s laziness.

Hahahahahaa OMG that cracked me up so bad. THANKS!

Oh, and hmm now I regret clicking on that Gawker article. DNW to read about Adam going down on some woman. TMI, Adam, TMI. I still love you, though. LOL

Great article in Out, agreed. That’s the problem with taking bits or articles out of context (same thing with song snippets; WWFM sounds much better, IMO, in its entirety).

I like FlashForward a lot, not just b/c of the Black Swan reference and Adam as the awake man possibility.

Kris isn’t bothered, my arse.

NY Daily News fixed Kris’s name in the cutline. Really good picture, too.

http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/music/2009/11/16/2009-11-16_pop_go_the_holidays_with_big_releases_from_kris_allen_john_mayer_rihanna_susan_b.html

I hate most country music. But good luck Michael Sarver. Maybe you’ll be the breakout star of S8. That would be pretty funny. Let see it’s about 2 months to S9 by my calculations…..

smartcookie
11/16/2009 at 2:35 pm
NY Daily News fixed Kris’s name in the cutline. Really good picture, too.

Ohp.. there you go.. someone knows his name.

carolinacharms
11/16/2009 at 2:35 pm

Kris isn’t bothered, my arse.

Maybe we could all use a diva moment from Kris? It would be hilarious if he just threw a tantrum and destroyed furniture and screamed “I WON! I WON, OKAY?! I’M THE MOTHER****** AMERICAN IDOL!” LOLOLOL

Maybe we could all use a diva moment from Kris? It would be hilarious if he just threw a tantrum and destroyed furniture and screamed ‘I WON! I WON, OKAY?! I’M THE MOTHER****** AMERICAN IDOL!’  LOLOLOL

That would be a great SNL skit. And to have Adam and Kris do it instead of the SNL actors would be even better.

ETA: and they can have Danny pipe in that he came in 3rd – not 4th

Starr Thank you for that image LOL.. I’m stuck at home with a sick kid today. Lots of whining going on.

seriously, I was all principled last season, and bought Analog Heart from Amazon while it was still available, only to find out after the fact that David never wanted it on there during the show to begin with. I’m assuming he got his fair share, but who really knows? And, yeah, as others have suggested, I would just buy another copy of David Cook if you want him to get paid. It seems to me it all evens out in the end.

Squirrely
11/16/2009 at 2:42 pm

Maybe we could all use a diva moment from Kris? It would be hilarious if he just threw a tantrum and destroyed furniture and screamed ‘I WON! I WON, OKAY?! I’M THE MOTHER****** AMERICAN IDOL!’  LOLOLOL

That would be a great SNL skit. And to have Adam and Kris do it instead of the SNL actors would be even better.

SNL has been doing poorly lately (anyone see that poor excuse of a show hosted by Mad Men’s January Jones?) that a Kradam hosting would be most welcome. And that would totally rock SNL. I just had this idea of Kris doing kinda like Natalie Portman’s SNL skit where they tried to dirty her up and make her throw tantrums and rap? That was awesome. And since Kris has that whole K-Sizzle gangsta persona, that would totally work LOL

S8 is turning into kind of a mess for some reason. No clean launches for anyone yet as far as I’m concerned.

Yeah, I would agree that S8 has been consistent thus far is having screwed up launches. Well at least they have a track record! A sucky one thus far, but a track record nonetheless.

Anyhew, yes, that quote about Adam’s singing was taken WAAAY out of context. Gee, I’m so shocked. A magazine using some truncated crap to stir shyte and so get more hits/potential revenue? The hell you say! So unexpected. I know it’s what they’re doing it for, I understand why they’re doing it, and I will continue not to be terribly fond of them for it.

Kris isn’t bothered, my arse.

why would he be bothered? He has a record deal, a hit single, a cd out and will get to tour. Sounds like he got what he wanted out of the contest.

Starr
11/16/2009 at 2:39 pm

carolinacharms
11/16/2009 at 2:35 pm

Kris isn’t bothered, my arse.

Maybe we could all use a diva moment from Kris? It would be hilarious if he just threw a tantrum and destroyed furniture and screamed ‘I WON! I WON, OKAY?! I’M THE MOTHER****** AMERICAN IDOL!’  LOLOLOL

I loved it when, in one of the vid interviews, Kris called the other finalists “losers”, in his sly, sarcastic way of course.

As for Gawker, I take nothing they say seriously, the writers and commenters are just sharpening their wit at everyone’s expense – Adam is not their only target.

TheSpindleshay
11/16/2009 at 2:54 pm

Starr
11/16/2009 at 2:39 pm

carolinacharms
11/16/2009 at 2:35 pm

Kris isn’t bothered, my arse.

Maybe we could all use a diva moment from Kris? It would be hilarious if he just threw a tantrum and destroyed furniture and screamed ‘I WON! I WON, OKAY?! I’M THE MOTHER****** AMERICAN IDOL!’  LOLOLOL

I loved it when, in one of the vid interviews, Kris called the other finalists ‘losers’ , in his sly, sarcastic way of course.

Ah, I think it was the Sirius XM interview when the DJs were trying to get Kris to say “But I won, though” and Kris was like, “But didn’t we all win?” and the djs were like, “This isn’t that kind of show.” LOLOL

Here: Sirius XM Interview

I love how everyone is trying to dirty Kris up. I totally think Rolling Stone or Entertainment Weekly or whatever should do an article or cover of Kris and title it “Corrupting the Last Nice Guy in Music”, replete with badass photo shoots of Kris just lighting stuff on fire LOL

Hey, but didn’t someone already take badass photos of Kris lighting stuff on fire? It’s called the LLWD video!

BTW, when I said Adam might be taken as a G*W*, I didn’t mean it…I don’t want ppl to google it…just saying. I was just upset that Adam got take as flamboyant OTT again in a negative light.

This is another one of my sad days. I want to see Adam or on the radio doing an interview. Maybe if another song got leaked I would feel better (only one add today, tho there is still time). Who wants to cheer me up?

YES on the Out interview. Very thorough and thoughtful. Dude gives great interviews.

Um…suebrody? Kinda confused why you’d be upset about the Adam stuff today. Its all good!

Ok, a bit controversial depending on your POV, but still good!

Remember….Adam LIKES controversial!

[pat, pat]

windmills thank you so much for your input! Of course there’s no way to KNOW know all of this stuff, but what you said makes a ton of sense. So, it sounds like at one time 19 negotiated from a position of power to keep AI under the BMG umbrella. I wonder how committed Barry is to hanging on to the relationship with the franchise now that it’s getting a little long in the tooth.

19′s become more an advocate for the AIers. Like Kelly thanked Simon Fuller and 19 for supporting her against RCA when she made Breakaway (19 found the song Breakaway for Kelly too) and 19 supported Carrie’s bid to be country even though there were people at BMG who wanted her to be more pop. I think that’s how it’s stayed since then as far as the role that 19 takes.

See, this is the impression I had as well following Cook’s career, but Cookie has never been as publicly candid as Kelly. Just little things have made me wonder, like the radio singles being the only two songs that Cook’s AH Music, INC has no publishing and licensing control over right now. And the weird FYE vs. WYWFM show down going on right now with Adam’s singles struck me as perhaps a case of two heads trying to do the talking at being at cross purposes.

He has said numerous times that he has moved on from that.

Is it part of the Idol winner’s contract that they have to disown all previously released music: even completely self-produced efforts?

What are you talking about? David has talked about Analog Heart repeatedly on tour and performs one of his songs from AH (Straight Ahead) regularly in his current neverending tour. During one of the recent shows, he introduced Straight Ahead by talking about how Monty played bass, Neal produced and Andy did the engineering on AH. He seems to be very proud of that record (talks about how it was recognized regionally for an indie record, etc.). In addition, he’s played snippets of The Truth as well as Silver (what he could remember of those songs) as responses to fan requests. In addition, he’s also played We’re Only Honest regularly in his concerts, which, again, was a pre-Idol effort.

I think fans’ expectations that he’s going to play a bunch of songs from AH or his other earlier albums during the current tour is just misguided fanwanking. Why in the world should he devote time in a 12-13 song setlist to a bunch of songs from albums that are no longer for sale? He’s not going on this neverending tour to promote AH, after all so why is singing the one song from that album not enough and construed as him being “banned” by TPTB from singing his older songs? And even if there are more copies of AH available to be sold, I really doubt there are very many available for wide distribtuion so why bother releasing them and causing confusion with the current album. This was especially the case in the first few months before and after the time of the launch of his major label debut.

As for the Axium songs, he’s has expressed frustration with the Axium songs being available for sale without the express consent of the primary songwriters (i.e., him and Jeff Shrout). He’s not said anything in detail but I think there is a dispute going on with the Axium guys which is why that music was yanked from Walmart (the only place they were widely available in the first place). Sounds to me that whatever had been for sale before, neither him nor Shrout were involved in the distribution of and, possibly, never shared in the revenue from the music.

As for him moving on, well, he has moved on to something new, but nothing he’s said has left me with the impression that he’s not proud of his earlier works or that he’s been banned from talking about them or playing them. It just seems that he’s got better things to do with his concert time that promoting old stuff that wasn’t widely released or known to concertgoers to begin with.

‘Some people still don’t know I won the show,’  says the 24-year-old singer from Arkansas, whose self-titled debut album arrives Tuesday.

I’m surprised Kris would say that. Anyone who knows anything about American Idol and season 8 knows Kris won. He doesn’t get as much attention as Adam, granted, but it’s not because people think Adam won. How many times is Adam introduced as runnerup? Or even he “should have” won.

So to talk about something besides gay!Adam or underdog!Kris for moment…

Is there a reason everyone is so eager to have Kris/Adam/idol-of-choice hit the Top 40 chart vs. the HAC chart? Does it really translate to that much more in sales?

I mean I can see that hitting both charts means additional radio audience to some extent. But most people I know flip between stations anyway so would get to hear both the music on the Top40 and HAC stations in their area. And why is Top40 the goal vs. HAC?

This would be what is being set up by the record label. I do believe that the record label is going to try to market him in country and crossover to Christian, also.

I think that Danny’s label is going to try and market him as a country artist as well, and that some of his songs might be able to cross over to Christian radio.

So far based on what I have seen it looks like RCA/Nashville are trying to market Danny as a country artist. They gave him a single that is written by two guys of one of the most popular acts in country music right now. (Last week Lady Antebellum song “Need You Now’” was number one on the overall Itunes chart. Plus another song that Charles and Dave wrote Luke Bryan’s “Do I” has been doing well, it’s pretty high on the Billboard Country charts, at #2 and is getting good radio airplay).

They have had Danny attend some country music awards, ASCAP, BMI and the CMA’s, including letting him walk the red carpet for the BMI’s and CMA awards. Also he had interviews with several country radio stations during the week of the CMA’s and is now going on a radio tour playing his single to different country stations.

Plus there is the event in Charlotte at Coyote Joe’s, the first gig that Danny will be playing at including other country artists. David Nail is one of the artists there, and one of my favorite country artists, and his song “Red Light” has been doing good on radio.

David tweets about all of the places he’s been going due to the success he’s had on radio. I can see Danny getting more gigs with other country artists. And as it gets closer to the release of his single and album, I think and hope that his label will give him more promotion.

I’m surprised Kris would say that. Anyone who knows anything about American Idol and season 8 knows Kris won. He doesn’t get as much attention as Adam, granted, but it’s not because people think Adam won. How many times is Adam introduced as runnerup? Or even he ‘should have’  won.

According to Brian Mansfield Kris “deadpanned” when he said this which means he was joking.

Anyhew, Melinda Doolittle as part of a live band for Scott Hamilton’s ice skating show makes me sad. I know it’s a gig and I love ice skating, so I will probably see her on some TV at some point, so that’s cool. I just think that she seems like a really talented singer and nice person and I’m just sorry that she wasn’t able to make more of her recording career than she did. Which goes to prove that once again, talent doesn’t mean jack for getting ahead in the music biz. It’s more about promotion and luck. sigh.

All I know is that there was no adds for Danny’s song on country radio today. Which isn’t a great sign if radio has the song. But maybe they’ll wait until the official adds date. I don’t understand most of what’s going with radio for the S8 idols. For example, why’d Jive bother to spend $ on Allison’s album. Seems she has 0 promotion.

dup

[pat, pat]

Not the controversy. I would expect that (see: FYE video, Lambert, Adam, 11.15.09). I am jonesing for some new Adam music, b/c I thought (w/out any reason, except that Cook got streamed On Demand last year, right?) we would hear some more of FYE today. I don’t want to wait a whole other week, said the petulant adult.

ETA: I, too, do not understand the lack of promotion for Allison. Why sign her and leave her hanging?

For example, why’d Jive bother to spend $ on Allison’s album. Seems she has 0 promotion.

Yes. It’s like they spent this money on making the album. Released the single up for radio play. Put the single up for sale and set and add date for radio, set a sale date for the album and then walked away and said they were done. Do they expect her to automatically sell enough to recoup their investment plus a nice tidy profit because of her idol fan base at which point they’ll ditch her for the next year’s model? That’s the way it’s starting to look to me.

See, this is the impression I had as well following Cook’s career, but Cookie has never been as publicly candid as Kelly. Just little things have made me wonder

I always believed 19 had more respect for him, at least as a songwriter since they showcased one of his own songs multiple times last season and were the ones responsible for getting him that publishing deal. With the hint he gave recently he might be writing/recording something for Idol Gives Back (at least how I interpreted) I’ll continue to believe 19 cares a whole lot more than RCA.

What i really wanted ot comment on this post was the Danny adds. I don’t think it’s gone for adds yet and it’s only just been played for the first time so despite the fact that I don’t think it sounds country, it’s way too soon to say one way or another how it’s doing.

edit: keep focused on the subject, not on the blog, please

So are Kris’ fans having a release party tonight? Or is that tomorrow?

19 sometimes treats people very badly. Kristy Lee Cook of S7 for example. Her promo was an appearance at a donut shop or something. And they dropped her in a few months. But I expected more for Allison because it seems like they spent $ on her album. It’s all a puzzlement.

Btw, FHS, did you hear the talk about Adams new band mate? Since we were discussing the drummer the other day…

Does anyone know whether Kris’ GMA concert tomorrow is going to be inside or outside?

Squirrely
11/16/2009 at 3:37 pm
Spinastory let’s sing ‘“ I kissed a Girl and I kind of sorta liked it

If I knew all the lryics I would sing along…. LOL
Maybe we will need to write our own lryics

For example, why’d Jive bother to spend $ on Allison’s album. Seems she has 0 promotion.

I read that she had a radio interview last week, and will be starting doing a radio tour soon. And of course she is doing some shows and Jingle balls for some radio stations, so she’s getting out there. And she is scheduled for GMA on 12/1(?). So is getting some promotion, it’s just not a lot, but it seems to be starting for her. Maybe, hopefully.

All I know is that there was no adds for Danny’s song on country radio today. Which isn’t a great sign if radio has the song. But maybe they’ll wait until the official adds date. I don’t understand most of what’s going with radio for the S8 idols.

What is the offical add date for Danny’s song? And yes, I don’t know what the heck is going on with the roll-out for S8 guys, other than I know I don’t like it.

Keel
11/16/2009 at 3:17 pm
He has said numerous times that he has moved on from that

Wasn’t that originally said in reference to Kris’s Brand New Shoes album?

Just as a point of information, TfM got 4 ADDS so far today on AC stations. YAY!

Funny that TFM is getting adds. How is FYE doing today?

Tweets from Daughtry. I guess someone gave him a hard time after the first tweet.

And by the way, I’m in a GREAT mood!!! Just read a bunch of tweets and felt some things needed to be spelled out. That’s all:)
about 1 hour ago from Echofon

That also goes for our wives. THEY didn’t ask for the spotlight! And unless they choose otherwise, we like to keep it that way.
about 1 hour ago from Echofon

My career is my career and my private family life is just that…private. I bring em 1 @ a time for the simple fact of 1 on 1 quality time.
about 1 hour ago from Echofon

But don’t expect to see either of my kids at meet and greets or signings…they’re not out here to be “show and tell” exibits:)
about 2 hours ago from Echofon

I love having my son on the road with me…both kids for that matter. Gotta bring em out 1 at a time though.
about 2 hours ago from Echofon

Where is TfM on itunes – anyone checked? Has the movie release made a difference yet?

I’m surprised Kris would say that. Anyone who knows anything about American Idol and season 8 knows Kris won. He doesn’t get as much attention as Adam, granted, but it’s not because people think Adam won. How many times is Adam introduced as runnerup? Or even he ‘should have’  won.

According to Brian Mansfield Kris ‘deadpanned’  when he said this which means he was joking.

I didn’t read the “deadplanned” at all in the article.

My career is my career and my private family life is just that’ ¦private. I bring em 1 @ a time for the simple fact of 1 on 1 quality time.
about 1 hour ago from Echofon

I like that. I do admire Chris as a family man even though I’m not a fan. I like how those are his kids and there is no if ands or buts about it.

jpfan
11/16/2009 at 3:36 pm
19 sometimes treats people very badly. Kristy Lee Cook of S7 for example. Her promo was an appearance at a donut shop or something. And they dropped her in a few months. But I expected more for Allison because it seems like they spent $ on her album. It’s all a puzzlement.

AHA! Music comment!

Yes, I am completely flumoxxed by the lack of promotion for Allison. They were so quick to sign her. I realize Kris and Adam are top priority right now, but it seems like Jive is missing an opportunity to get Allison out there as Miley’s song starts to peak, so Allison can get on the playlist…and what about RadioDisney? Would they play her?

But, being the first gay man aiming for international stardom and having sexual magnetism be part of your appeal isn’t going to be without a whole lotta controversy.

Did I miss something? Adam is the first gay man aiming for international stardom?

I didn’t read the ‘deadplanned’  at all in the article.

Well, it was in its original, longer form, but maybe somebody edited it out of later versions:

Nearly six months after Kris Allen scored a remarkable upset victory on American Idol, he still feels like an underdog. “Some people still don’t know I won the show,” Kris deadpans, in an interview that runs in today’s paper. The final piece runs somewhat shorter that my original draft, so I’ve included some of the rest in this post.

Thanks for those Daughtry tweets. Chris married an older women with 2 kids. I really respect him for not dumping her for a hot model and being a real dad. He’s a very decent guy.

19 sometimes treats people very badly. Kristy Lee Cook of S7 for example. Her promo was an appearance at a donut shop or something.

That’s true but she wasn’t signed to 19 for management, just for recording. I think that can make a difference in terms of the treatment you get although neither Jordin and Archie were signed by 19M and did nicely for themselves with Jive and their own management.

The KLC thing was so weird. My theory is they put out an album with her because they had a bunch of expiring holds on songs that were turned down by Carrie and maybe even Kellie, so they passed them on to KLC. But there were 1 or 2 songs that she said she’d loved since the 1st time she was signed that were on the album too so it wasn’t all about expiring holds.

BootStar
11/16/2009 at 3:52 pm
But, being the first gay man aiming for international stardom and having sexual magnetism be part of your appeal isn’t going to be without a whole lotta controversy.

Did I miss something? Adam is the first gay man aiming for international stardom?

Bootstar, I think you left out the part that FHS was driving at “first gay man aiming for international stardom and having sexual magnetism be part of your appeal.” Perhaps it should have been further qualified as “appeal…to women.” That seems pretty radical.

Well, MJ just made a separate entry on the Out Magazine for us to play in. (Too bad there’s already tons of great comments in Headlines that can’t be moved.) Guess which quotes are featured prominently in MJ’s piece? Mmm hmmm. Hang on, folks!

The other day Chris was home in NC and he tweeted that he was taking the day off and spending the day with his “bride”. I thought that was the sweetest thing.

And that’s how I’m going to do my music career. I’m just going to do my thing, what I like to do, and hopefully it works out.’ 

I love Kris Allen. I really wish that I could be more like him. And I really like to listen to him sing, especially when the words are his own.

In my book, he’s already a success. Seriously. I’m not just being all oooooh, awwww … sweet and philosophical about it. The dude is strong and talented and kind. He’s the embodiment of success.

Matt was in the studio recording for the duet album he is on, and got to talk and take a picture with Lady Antebellum. From Matt’s Twitter:

ImMattGiraud Just finished chattin’ it up with Lady A in the studio while recording for the duet album. We stopped for a pic! http://twitpic.com/psfol

Squirrely

ITunes overall chart positions, as of 1 pm Pacific Coast time

LLWD – #51
FYE – #78
TFM – #205
FIBOU – #592

I know TFM was #213 last night, so it’s moved up a little more

Tweets from Daughtry. I guess someone gave him a hard time after the first tweet.

Way to go Daughtry! Entitled fans sometimes cross lines. Way to stick up for your family and yourself!

Keel, I think the reason people brought up disavowing earlier work is because during the course of AI David Cook was not allowed to sell his prior work (nobody is, but they look the other way if the sales are low), and AH was taken down from Amazon after hitting #1 for a while. Those rules don’t seem to apply to singing the prior work now. I have no idea what rules there might be post-AI about selling prior work. That may have just been his decision not to try to sell AH, or it might have been to keep his sales for DCTR from being cannibalized by AH sales. But clearly he can sing AH songs. The rest of what you said sounds accurate.

Bootstar, I think you left out the part that FHS was driving at ‘first gay man aiming for international stardom and having sexual magnetism be part of your appeal.’  Perhaps it should have been further qualified as ‘appeal’ ¦to women.’  That seems pretty radical.

Oh, okay, thanks for the clarification, although I’m still not sure I believe Adam is the first.

Oh, okay, thanks for the clarification, although I’m still not sure I believe Adam is the first.

At the start of his career, I think he is! In the past, coming out this soon was thought of as career suicide.

Only one add for FYE today.

Going to the Out Thread…

On a completely different topic, (1) I know Adam’s busy, but we haven’t had a tweet from him in quite a while; thought we would have gotten one after he finished the video yesterday (although I’m sure this week is filled with AMA rehearsals, and (2) doesn’t he have another red carpet event this week (maybe on the 18th)? Can’t remember what it was for – may US magazine or something. Anyone remember?

Is there a reason everyone is so eager to have Kris/Adam/idol-of-choice hit the Top 40 chart vs. the HAC chart? Does it really translate to that much more in sales?

Pop radio — rather than HAC — is reaching a lot more people in a way because when you get into the top 40 or higher there you’re getting *way* more spins than you are at the same numbers on HAC. HAC plays older stuff as well as newer stuff, for one thing. So the songs played most often there aren’t played as often because they have that “old song” competition besides the new song competition.

Theoretically, therefore, the higher number of spins you get in the top echelons of pop/CHR should translate into more people hearing you, loving you, and ultimately deciding to buy your stuff (at least your singles, if not your albums — see Sparks, Jordin). As we know, in real life it doesn’t necessarily work this way, but there seems to be *nothing* that reliably and fully guarantees you more sales, so all you can do is go on the measures that do exist — and one of them is that you’re on the air more if you rise high on pop.

Keel

I think fans’ expectations that he’s going to play a bunch of songs from AH or his other earlier albums during the current tour is just misguided fanwanking.

Er…don’t think I said that, though I have seen it elsewhere, so that’s probably what you’re referencing.

I don’t expect DCATA to play more songs from the back catalogue on a tour specifically designed to showcase the new album. I reckon the fans are lucky to get what they do, from the earlier stuff on the tour.

I’d just like the have the chance to purchse that back catalogue legally, as I would with any other artist, big or small.

Yep, I have heard Cook say that he was proud of AH, as he should be. But he’s also said that he doesn’t think it will ever be re-released, because he’s all about the progression.

Well, to me, tracing the progression from starting to current point is a large part of what established him in my mind as a musician and not just another singer off a reality show. It’s the reason I bought DCTR in the first place.

Cook said that it was part of the fairness rules on AI that caused AH to be pulled off Amazon – and I can understand the argument that having it competing with DCTR when launching him as a new artist could have muddied the waters.

But that’s no reason not to release both it and the unreleased second indie album at some point, if only for the fans. Unless, of course, he doesn’t think it’s worthy of release.

I find that hard to believe…

Tweets from Daughtry. I guess someone gave him a hard time after the first tweet.

Way to go Daughtry! Entitled fans sometimes cross lines. Way to stick up for your family and yourself!

Agreed, some people can be such jerks. And yeah let me add my voice to the chorus of admiring Chris for how he seems with his wife and kids. He seems really cool and sweet about it all.

At the start of his career, I think he is! In the past, coming out this soon was thought of as career suicide.

Was Rufus Wainwright ever closeted?

yeah I like that Daughtry seem to be a great family man! that’s sexy for me

Was Rufus Wainwright ever closeted?

I don’t think so.

I think the main difference between his and Adam’s debuts is that Adam’s being launched as a high-profile pop singer, whereas Rufus was launched more as a sorta poppy but mainly alternative singer-songwriter type….with potentially lower expectations for how mainstream his music and his persona would ever get, etc. …. or something like that. He was probably the first to launch a major entertainment career while out though, wasn’t he? And it wasn’t that long ago… Plus, he’s Canadian (!) — although he launched his music career in the U.S.

And then, of course, I guess you could strictly say that Theo Tams also launched a pop career as an openly gay man before Adam.

PS – as a point of comparison. When Kings Of Leon hit it big over here, their previous albums were all over the shops.

Now presumably, KoL had properly released indie albums that were ready to put out there and certainly were already much much further down the road and more established as a band. But RCA certainly cashed in on them.

Not that I would expect that kind of thing with Cook’s previous stuff, but even if the pre-idol music were only avaiable for download via his official fansite, at least it would put him out there as a viable song writer who’s been writing and recording good indie music for years, not an overnight ‘Idol discovery’.

As for Axium: who knows what’s going on there! But I’d love to hear some of that stuff avaiable properly and identified as DIY recordings put together for a miniscule budget in a few friend’s lounges. Again, it’s all about developing a depth of perspective about Cook as a musician, something the rest of the band already gets through the continued availability of the MWK recordings.

crazylady
11/16/2009 at 4:15 pm
On a completely different topic, (1) I know Adam’s busy, but we haven’t had a tweet from him in quite a while; thought we would have gotten one after he finished the video yesterday (although I’m sure this week is filled with AMA rehearsals, and (2) doesn’t he have another red carpet event this week (maybe on the 18th)? Can’t remember what it was for ‘“ may US magazine or something. Anyone remember?

crazylady, I noticed he’s not tweeting. Not sure why, except maybe he really doesn’t have anything to say. (!!!) I can’t imagine how beat he must be, with the video yesterday (not sure if that’s “done”) and continuing with rehearsals for Sunday night and then the other appearances fast on its heels. I hope he’s getting *some* sleep.

And dhunken, thank you for that lovely post. I hope sometime you’ll stop into Planet Fierce (click my name) – I’m sure there will be significant conversation about the Out article that may venture into dialogue that would be off-topic on MJs. Your perspective would be welcome. (God knows *I* can’t get there while at work [grumble grumble] but hey, racking up lots of posts at MJs instead!)

talent doesn’t mean jack for getting ahead in the music biz. It’s more about promotion and luck. sigh.

Image is also a big part of it…

Truthiness : read that she had a radio interview last week, and will be starting doing a radio tour soon. And of course she is doing some shows and Jingle balls for some radio stations, so she’s getting out there. And she is scheduled for GMA on 12/1(?). So is getting some promotion, it’s just not a lot, but it seems to be starting for her. Maybe, hopefully.

Yeah she’s getting started now.
Allison’s time will come. 19E/Jive/RCA has a timeline and priorities in regards to S8 debuts. I’m not an idoloone, but is this normal to introduce 3 idols to pop radio, practically at the same time normal? Its logical the order of attention they’re getting. First Kris then Adam and Finally Alli, which she’s being treated as a new artist.

Its true they put some serious money into her album. After analyzing the writers and producers of Just Like You and For Your Entertainment, she’s right up there with a P!nk song each. Good material.
Her time will be starting in December and into 2010. Today Alli and her guitarist are in DC for promo and stuff. The guitarist tweeted “its gonna be a fun week.
This is what I know:
Today in DC – radio promo I assume
Thursday:
http://wpst.com/page.php?page_id=34077
Dec.1st Album drops -GMA-
Dec.3rd -Ellen-
Dec. 4th JBall
http://www.q1075.com/
Dec. 5th Kiis fm JBall
Dec.12 Jball
http://xmas.xl1067.com/main.html
thats all I know.
As for me – I just want the album to drop, anything else is bonus.

lucy
11/16/2009 at 4:31 pm
And then, of course, I guess you could strictly say that Theo Tams also launched a pop career as an openly gay man before Adam.

But lucy, were Theo Tams or Rufus Wainwright ever marketed as sexually attractive to women, which seems to be a big part of Adam’s appeal? I think that’s the riskier and newer aspect of his launch as an out gay mainstream performer.

I kissed a girl out of curiosity and ‘“ not to be cliche- I liked it, but not enough to do it again.

Katy Perry should have added that last part…”but not enough to do it again”…or maybe that’s potential material for SNL…I would love Adam to sing that song on SNL.

And then, of course, I guess you could strictly say that Theo Tams also launched a pop career as an openly gay man before Adam.

But lucy, were Theo Tams or Rufus Wainwright ever marketed as sexually attractive to women, which seems to be a big part of Adam’s appeal? I think that’s the riskier and newer aspect of his launch as an out gay mainstream performer.

No, not in the sex-symbol role. That’s part of what I meant by — RW was launched with less expectation that he would become a mainstream pop star. He was mainly an alt guy and thus a sensitive singer-songwriter type. Unlike with Adam, I don’t think record labels ever saw him as a person who would be on every tv show and sell millions of records, being a poppy heartthrob to all and sundry. Now, Theo’s music is certainly intended to appeal to all in a poppy way, though — again, though, I don’t think they’ve made Theo into a sex symbol — but part of that is that, even though I think he’s a cutie, he doesn’t look the part of classic “sex symbol.”

All I was doing was answering the question of whether Rufus was closeted at the beginning of his career. He wasn’t! Some people have been asserting that Adam is the first guy to launch an entertainment career while out. And if you take the assertion to that point, I don’t think it’s true!

there is radical people with high standards in any community. Some more vocal than others.

Is it part of the Idol winner’s contract that they have to disown all previously released music: even completely self-produced efforts?

That’s precisely the line that Cook gives out in relation to Analogue Heart and the Axium albums.

David plays an Analog Heart song (Straight Ahead) on tour very often. He loves that song. He has actually named it as one of his favorite songs. So I don’t understand the “disown” comment.
During season 7 David was the one who decided to remove the album from amazon. He didn’t have to. Brooke and Carly had their albums for sale all season long. But for David that wasn’t fair, that’s why he made that decision. Plus, the album went on Amazon without his approvement.
I understand 19 or RCA not wanting his previous independent work to be on sale, but from what I’ve read of David he also doesn’t want it to be on sale now. He loves that people love it, but he wants people to get it for free. I think in this case both parts are more than fine with it. He wants you to listen to Analog Heart, you just don’t have to pay for it.

I think that there are some very talented people in the music industry and promotion, luck and image don’t have everything to do with it. Talent still counts for something … even if there are a lot of instances where it doesn’t.

Thanks rowenaaine. You are probably right about the lack of Adam tweets.

Re: the US party, here’s what Squirrely posted in the 11/12 afternoon headlines:

“http://blogs.usatoday.com/entertainment/2009/11/jenna-fischer-adam-lambert-glee-are-hot-for-us.html

Who are among the hottest stars in Hollywood? Jenna Fischer, Chris O’Donnell, Adam Lambert, Eliza Dushku and the cast of Fox’s Glee ‘” according to Us Weekly, at least. The entertainers are among those being honored with ‘Stars of the Year’  as part of the magazine’s annual Hot Hollywood issue, which will be celebrated Wednesday in L.A.”

So maybe we’ll have another thread for that (with pics!) to look forward to.

Oh..I may visit PF when AI S9 starts up. I’m only interested in Adam!

Not that I would expect that kind of thing with Cook’s previous stuff, but even if the pre-idol music were only avaiable for download via his official fansite, at least it would put him out there as a viable song writer who’s been writing and recording good indie music for years, not an overnight ‘Idol discovery’.

Hi fadetowhite, I suspect that’s the reason why AI had the AH album pulled and Cook’s pre-AI work is hard to find. That’s an image AI does not want to promote- they want to give the impression that only AI is smart enough to discover and create stars out of the finalists. Having the finalists leave evidence that they have minds of their own and are talented enough to build a career themselves make the AI brand look bad.

Leome:

He wants you to listen to Analog Heart, you just don’t have to pay for it.

That’s fine. RCA could put AH and the unreleased second album songs on the website for free download. New fans would then be able to access them easily and without guilt.

Tamarynd: I suspect you’re right – though, of course, Cook’s career would have been much much smaller without AI and have progressed much more slowly and could have hit a brick wall, so it’s all swings and roundabouts.

I suspect that’s the reason why AI had the AH album pulled and Cook’s pre-AI work is hard to find.

AI didn’t have Analog Heart pulled. David did it. Like I said, Brooke and Carly’s album were on sale. There isn’t (or at the time there wasn’t) any rule saying you can’t have old music around. It was David’s decision. Just like it was his decision to have it removed before he went on the show.
Do we know if David wants it to be on his site for download and it’s RCA stopping him? No, we don’t.

That’s an image AI does not want to promote- they want to give the impression that only AI is smart enough to discover and create stars out of the finalists. Having the finalists leave evidence that they have minds of their own and are talented enough to build a career themselves make the AI brand look bad.

Not necessarily. They could come at it from the angle of ‘look at this talented guy that has been struggling for years in some unknown backwater called the Midwest (heh) and because of AI, we’ve pulled him from obscurity and his talent has been given a platform’. One of the main knocks against the AI brand is the ‘add water and stir’ aspect of their winners’ stardom, so by showcasing that they have found real musicians who have paid their dues rather than glorified karaoke singers (complete with makeover), they would actually be doing the Idol brand a service.

I honestly think that they are not promoting the old music because they don’t want to muddy the waters with their major label album launch. Though the launch took place exactly a year ago this week, it could still create confusion for the Cook ‘brand’ were a ‘new’ album to suddenly surface on iTunes or Amazon. As for the future, Cook does say ‘never say never’ so it’s still a possibility perhaps after his 3rd/4th album, no? But honestly, I don’t think there’s really mucho $$ in selling Cook’s back catalog (at least for now) so why waste RCA’s or Cook’s or his concergoers’ fans’ time with promoting an album (or albums, if you count Axium) that may sell a few thousand albums at most and could create brand confusion at worst?

Leome:

I’ve no idea what DC wants – who said it’s all about him :lol

Similarly, however, I have no idea about what AI/19/Sony’s role is in limiting the availability of Idols early stuff: it was just an interesting coincidence that Kris Allen too wants to ‘move on’ from his indie release.

It just set the wheels spinning. Quite possibly spinning so far that they’ve left the rails and entered alternate realities, but that’s half the fun of speculation and fan angsting.

I’m a demanding fan. I want to be able to buy his music and I want other people to be able to see that he’s got a longer history of singer/songwriting than sharing rushed co-writing credits on DCTR (which I like perfectly well)!

If he doesn’t want the wider world, beyond his devoted fanbase, to be exposed to that, then that’s his perogative.

But if it is his decision, then I think he’s wrong and that’s mine…

Hey guys, MJ contributed to this article!

http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1626368/20091116/allen__kris.jhtml

PS:

AI didn’t have Analog Heart pulled. David did it.

I’m sure he said that he pulled it due to AI’s fair competition rules…but I might be misremembering.

Those sentiments were echoed by MJ Santilli, the founder of the popular “Idol” blog MJsBigBlog.com, who said she’d noticed the coverage discrepancy, along with Allen’s fans. “The media seems to be in love with Adam, as they were all through the competition,” she said of the musical-theater belter whose flashy goth/ club-kid style and coy reveal of his sexuality has earned him practically nonstop coverage since “Idol” wrapped at the beginning of summer. “He’s a big, colorful personality with an interesting backstory. He’s mad talented. It will be interesting to see if he’ll live up to the hype and become the superstar some in the media are predicting.”

You, go, MJ. Yes, we definitely believe that he will* live up to the hype.

And then, of course, I guess you could strictly say that Theo Tams also launched a pop career as an openly gay man before Adam.

Theo was on Canadian Idol. Canada is so much different when it comes to gay than the US is. We legalized gay marriages a few years back and it has not toppled the sanctity of marriage in this country. Once a year we have “Gay Pride” which is celebrated in Toronto and millions attend. Gay rights are included in our Human Rights legislation so it is against the law to discriminate against someone who is gay. So Theo didn’t have any reason to deny that he was gay. He didn’t stand up on Canadian Idol and announce it either.

Danny is about to go the Academy of Country Music Headquaters in LA. From ACMawards Twitter:

ACMAwards: Getting ready for @dannygokey to swing by the Academy HQ. Listen to his new single “It's Only” http://bit.ly/3EnylQ http://bit.ly/1Xv1Ss

So taking this from the Adam thread, because it seems to belong more in here, MTV article, with appartently mj quoted in it. Article here

I disagree, sorry, with this ” In Adam’s case, the hype surrounding him will help him, but it won’t guarantee success.” I actually think the hype hurts him, more than helps him. I think it’s created a lot of expectation, more than are expected for the actual winner of the season. Also I think that when hype is SO big, that it’s virtually impossible for anyone to live up to it. So I think that invariably Adam is not going to live up the hype, it would be virtually impossible for him to do so, so he’ll be considered a disappointment much more quickly. I mean there was already the start of this when FYE was released and it’s opening numbers were poor. Now Kris’s opening numbers also sucked, but while there was some (unneeded imho) neener neenering in the bubble, there weren’t blogs and articles about how disappointing Kris was going in comparison to other Idol winners and what a failure he was for that.

Oh and to that KrisAllennatioin person, the TII premiere was in LA, not London. So Adam wasn’t jetting off to another country with Katy to appear at it. He just bopped over from his home to it. Now David Cook had to jet across the country to be there. Which is what I blame his hair on.

AI didn’t have Analog Heart pulled. David did it.

I’m sure he said that he pulled it due to AI’s fair competition rules’ ¦but I might be misremembering.

Then we’re misremembering the exact same thing. IIRC, he was alerted by TPTB to the fact that AH was available for sale on Amazon (it reached #1 (on mp3 downloads) so it was kinda hard to miss), so he had to do something to get Amazon to take it down. As for Carly and Brooke having songs up on Amazon during that time, in Carly’s case, her album was a major label release from many years ago so Carley had signed away rights to the label and had no power to have the album taken down. Don’t know what the deal was with Brooke, though. In David’s case, AH was a legit full solo (i.e., everything written by him), indie album, so he had the right to have it taken down.

ETA:

Now David Cook had to jet across the country to be there. Which is what I blame his hair on.

I think genetics is what you can blame his hair on, but as a Cook fan, it’s really nice of you to blame the jet travel. Heh.

I’m a demanding fan.

Hey, I’m with you! LOL I’d love to have all his music. I’d love to buy AH, I’d love to hear the non released album. Maybe one day it will happen. I just won’t blame the label because I really don’t know who’s decision it is.

I’m sure he said that he pulled it due to AI’s fair competition rules’ ¦but I might be misremembering.

I believe He said he pulled it due to fair reasons, but not because it was an AI rule. It was him who thought it wasn’t fair to have it available. If AI had it pulled they’d have Brooke and Carly’s albums pulled too.Oh, and Kristy Lee Cook, she also had an album out if I remember it well.

Bootstar, I think you left out the part that FHS was driving at ‘first gay man aiming for international stardom and having sexual magnetism be part of your appeal.’  Perhaps it should have been further qualified as ‘appeal’ ¦to women.’  That seems pretty radical.

Radical and new. And yes, apologies for the lack of narrower qualifiers like “openly gay rock star”. How about among the first smoldering alpha male sex symbols who hasn’t tried to pass for straight.

There is no long list of openly gay men who have achieved international stardom and retained their sex symbol status to women and men alike. There is a long list – with many of Hollywood’s current big names – of guys who are afraid if they revealed they were gay they would’t get offered the big romantic leads. And as Rupert Everett will attest, not without some evidence of that being possible.

Adam’s greeting the screaming throngs of female admirers with truth and having them not care one whit and still find him hot, hot, hot is radical change. Can’t think of another example like that.

That’s precisely the line that Cook gives out in relation to Analogue Heart and the Axium albums.

I don’t know why Cook would not be free to sell Analogue Heart or offer it free for download, since he owns it. The only thing I can suggest is that as others have said, the label has convinced him that it would muddy the waters as to the image they are trying to project for him as a new artist. Plus, it is an indie album and could use some polishing. An established act could probably afford to release old, “unknown” work because they are not in danger of competing with themselves.

As for Axium, I believe there is a dispute over the rights to the material between himself and one of his former band mates.

Cook said that it was part of the fairness rules on AI that caused AH to be pulled off Amazon

Except that some of his competitors on the show were also selling pre-Idol work during the show, and there’s no guarantee Cook was going to win AI so suggesting that it was unfair for *him* and not anyone else doesn’t make sense. They benefited from national exposure, why couldn’t he?

It was David’s decision. Just like it was his decision to have it removed before he went on the show.

I don’t know that it was his decision completely. He might have agreed to do so but, I’m wondering if the reason he had his work removed and not others is that he — and he alone — owned Analogue Heart. He removed it, upon request, because he could. It’s possible that the other Idol contestants did not completely own their work and so couldn’t stop others from pursuing their own rights to sell the material.

Just little things have made me wonder, like the radio singles being the only two songs that Cook’s AH Music, INC has no publishing and licensing control over right now.

Interesting. I should’ve thought of that. Who owns the rights to Light On and Come Back to Me?

Bottom line, whether it is TMI or not, if interviewers ask, Adam will answer.

Why? It’s not like everyone has a right to know intimate details of your life. You have a perfect right to keep some of yourself to yourself.

It seems that for some, Adam can’t win no matter what he does. He wasn’t volunteering information here. He was asked a very specific question and he answered it. If he had said, ‘I’d prefer not to answer that’ , he’d be criticzed for keeping secrets and not being himself!

I think if he said that he’d prefer to keep his private life private, people would respect that. I would.

You, go, MJ. Yes, we definitely believe that he will* live up to the hype.

Whose we, pale face? I for one don’t think Adam will live up to the hype. I don’t think anyone could at this point, not from some people’s hyping of him. And I personally feel all this hyping and ADAM!Storm talk does nothing, but set Adam up for inevitable “failue,” if he’s not an immediate commerical and artistic BREAK out. Instead of allowing Adam, and expecting him, to NOT immediately succeed and be number one across the world immediately, loved by critics and album buyers alike !!1!1!

As evidenced by HOW badly FYE sold in it’s first week, that it probably won’t have sold that much more last week, and it’s position starting this week sucks, and how about those non-existent adds and anemic spins? Which fine if one then wants the same time to grow as LLWD needed. Or that most artists in fact need. But setting up all this hype and buying into and and ‘why yes he will! live up and be a superstar’ to me is unrealistic and again, setting Adam up for prematurely declared failure when he doesn’t immediately take off or do all these now HUGE “expected,” numbers and things. And no, there isn’t a little blue pill that will be able to solve his prematurely declared failure.

But that’s just me, MMV of course.

Those sentiments were echoed by MJ Santilli, the founder of the popular ‘Idol’  blog MJsBigBlog.com, who said she’d noticed the coverage discrepancy, along with Allen’s fans. ‘The media seems to be in love with Adam, as they were all through the competition,’ 

Yep it’s true, but MJ contributes to that too. The majority of her Season 8 stories sold to the NY Post subsequent to the season have been about Adam, right? As someone who sees tons of Kris Allen information on a daily ibasis, MJ has the unique opportunity to pitch stories about him, but I don’t find any about him. Gotta be an agent of change to have it. Maybe it’s because the Post wasn’t interested, but I’d be interested to know if the effort was made.

Kris’s story is an intriguing one, he should have gotten more coverage as the winner. Maybe it’s his reticence in sharing details about himself. Maybe it’s that he’s uncomfortable in interviews. Not really sure, he certainly is very likeable.

With the exception of MJ’s contribution, did anyone else think that MTV article came off as completely whiney?

did you hear the talk about Adams new band mate? Since we were discussing the drummer the other day’ ¦

saga, do you know who it is?

Google has not been my friend on this topic. Provided no names.

Whose we, pale face? I for one don’t think Adam will live up to the hype.

To me Adam has already lived up to the hype by just being happy being being himself, and staying true to himself in his music. If he performs well on the AMA’s then thats another barrier he will overcome as people will want to see if he can hang with the “big guys & gals”. I dunno. I think Adam is doing fine. Will his album sell millions, I have no idea, but that doesn’t mean he’s a failure if it doesn’t.

Katy Perry should have added that last part’ ¦’ but not enough to do it again’ ’ ¦or maybe that’s potential material for SNL’ ¦I would love Adam to sing that song on SNL.

DLee, Katy Perry was already asked in an interview about doing it again. I think there is a vid on YT with Couric. And she said something like she wouldn’t have done it again if she didn’t like it. Meaning that she has done it again and likes it.

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dhunken, Thank you for such a heartfelt post and perspective.

Whose we, pale face? I for one don’t think Adam will live up to the hype. I don’t think anyone could at this point, not from some people’s hyping of him. And I personally feel all this hyping and ADAM!Storm talk does nothing, but set Adam up for inevitable ‘failue,’  if he’s not an immediate commerical and artistic BREAK out. Instead of allowing Adam, and expecting him, to NOT immediately succeed and be number one across the world immediately, loved by critics and album buyers alike !!1!1!

As evidenced by HOW badly FYE sold in it’s first week, that it probably won’t have sold that much more last week, and it’s position starting this week sucks, and how about those non-existent adds and anemic spins? Which fine if one then wants the same time to grow as LLWD needed. Or that most artists in fact need. But setting up all this hype and buying into and and ‘why yes he will! live up and be a superstar’ to me is unrealistic and again, setting Adam up for prematurely declared failure when he doesn’t immediately take off or do all these now HUGE ‘expected,’  numbers and things. And no, there isn’t a little blue pill that will be able to solve his prematurely declaired failure.

Truthiness….Now we might actually be saying the same thing….but Where i agree with you that if anyone thinks that the Hype means Adam will garner all this success in a week or two that is impossible and just a formula for failure…..on the other hand the Hype on Adam I don’t ever remember seeing an expatriation or due date. I believe he will live up to expectations, but, it will be over time, and it will be a moderate build up. I do however think he will gets some relief on his potential when his album sales are reported. (He may not be number 1 or 2 but I believe his sales will be very very respectable and I also think his album sales after the first week will be consistent and good.)

He might have agreed to do so but, I’m wondering if the reason he had his work removed and not others is that he ‘” and he alone ‘” owned Analogue Heart. He removed it, upon request, because he could.

It could be that, I do think AI probably didn’t want any music to be on sale and if I’m not mistaken, I remember reading before season 8 started that the contestants had to remove any music they had online. But as long as Brooke, Carly and KLC had their albums out (I’m not sure who owned Brooke’s besides herself) they couldn’t really make him pull it. It wouldn’t be fair.

http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1626368/20091116/allen__kris.jhtml

I’m seriously sick of the Kris pity party/underdog storyline. American Idol is over, we are now in the real world. I’m also sick of Kris always being labeled the “good guy who finished first”. Adam can be the “good guy” too. I dunno. It seem so Jr. High School. I understand Kris isn’t the one doing this but the media needs to stop. Some people are just more “popular” than others. That doesn’t mean Kris won’t be successful or sell mroe albums, but he may never garner huge media attention even if he does sell millions. Adam isn’t a bad person or less talented because more people find him interesting. I personally don’t think these first 2 albums will change that. If someone wants Adam they will get Adam and if someone wants Kris they will get Kris. Its that simple.

but Where i agree with you that if anyone thinks that the Hype means Adam will garner all this success in a week or two that is impossible and just a formula for failure’ ¦..on the other hand the Hype on Adam I don’t ever remember seeing an expatriation or due date. I believe he will live up to expectations, but, it will be over time, and it will be a moderate build up. I do however think he will gets some relief on his potential when his album sales are reported. (He may not be number 1 or 2 but I believe his sales will be very very respectable and I also think his album sales after the first week will be consistent and good.)

I agree 100%

Yep it’s true, but MJ contributes to that too. The majority of her Season 8 stories sold to the NY Post subsequent to the season have been about Adam, right? As someone who sees tons of Kris Allen information on a daily ibasis, MJ has the unique opportunity to pitch stories about him, but I don’t find any about him. Gotta be an agent of change to have it. Maybe it’s because the Post wasn’t interested, but I’d be interested to know if the effort was made.

Of course the effort was made. In fact, one of my biggest stories–it gained a ton of traction–was all about the iTunes leak that showed Kris Allen was possibly selling more downloads than Danny Gokey.

I’ve also written stories about Kelly Clarkson, Danny Gokey, various Top 36 contestants, the entire S8 and their plans post Idol…Simon Cowell and Ellen Degeneres…so many articles. But, as an Adam fan, perhaps you weren’t interested? Plenty of Non-adam stories…

And as I move forward into the new season, there will be plenty more.

I just read this on Pulse, I don’t know where on his site it was posted (it’s too confusing for me, that site lol) but apparently this was posted by mods on Adam’s site.

Please only request Adam’s song from your LOCAL stations, and do try to stop short of harassment or the stations may go so far as to blacklist Adam’s music. This is a serious issue, gang, and we’ve had several complaints from stations already today, so please request responsibly! Having said that, we know you mean well and truly appreciate your support.

p.s. – And no, we don’t ‘share our strategy’ for working singles at radio, as this is between RCA, 19 and Adam. It’s no huge secret operation – it’s just a colossal amount of strategic detail that will bore you to tears, and is handled by professionals with DECADES of experience. If you must know: http://www.amazon.com/Need-Know-About-Music-Business/dp/0743293185. If Adam’s single had been delivered to us last month like KA’s was to JIVE instead of last week, it would be at radio already.

Must be serious for them to be alerting the fans.

CindyM
11/16/2009 at 5:55 pm

Those sentiments were echoed by MJ Santilli, the founder of the popular ‘Idol’  blog MJsBigBlog.com, who said she’d noticed the coverage discrepancy, along with Allen’s fans. ‘The media seems to be in love with Adam, as they were all through the competition,’ 

Yep it’s true, but MJ contributes to that too. The majority of her Season 8 stories sold to the NY Post subsequent to the season have been about Adam, right? As someone who sees tons of Kris Allen information on a daily ibasis, MJ has the unique opportunity to pitch stories about him, but I don’t find any about him. Gotta be an agent of change to have it. Maybe it’s because the Post wasn’t interested, but I’d be interested to know if the effort was made.

Kris’s story is an intriguing one, he should have gotten more coverage as the winner. Maybe it’s his reticence in sharing details about himself. Maybe it’s that he’s uncomfortable in interviews. Not really sure, he certainly is very likeable.

This puzzles me too! Kris is such a funny guy. He’s super approachable, he’s incredibly witty, and he doesn’t seem like a tough interview at all. I just think that so many things were tacked onto Adam that people just felt he would get more attention and would be more apt to answer more provocative questions.

I also find that a lot of the time interviewers ask Adam about his ‘image’, and this is where I think Kris doesn’t get asked that question a lot. I feel like Adam is more of a character, and he gets to dress up and be fierce and all these things. Kinda like Lady Gaga? I mean, Adam has said he wants to create a sound and with some great accompanying visuals, and he said he always wants to reinvent himself. He has always been a very visual performer, and so people are more inclined to ask him stuff like what he’s going to wear (I swear, there was this one interview where the interviewer and Adam spent forever just talking about nail polish!) or what production-wise he wants on tours, music videos, etc. Kris, on the other hand, he doesn’t really have that visually-driven persona, and so people don’t ask him questions about that.

unique28v
11/16/2009 at 6:08 pm

http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1626368/20091116/allen__kris.jhtml

I’m seriously sick of the Kris pity party/underdog storyline. American Idol is over, we are now in the real world. I’m also sick of Kris always being labeled the ‘good guy who finished first’ . Adam can be the ‘good guy’  too. I dunno. It seem so Jr. High School. I understand Kris isn’t the one doing this but the media needs to stop. Some people are just more ‘popular’  than others. That doesn’t mean Kris won’t be successful or sell mroe albums, but he may never garner huge media attention even if he does sell millions. Adam isn’t a bad person or less talented because more people find him interesting. I personally don’t think these first 2 albums will change that. If someone wants Adam they will get Adam and if someone wants Kris they will get Kris. Its that simple.

I’m sick of it, too. However, I think this is pretty much the only angle reporters have when it comes to covering a Kris Allen article. Notice that you can expect some mention of his unassuming personality, him hailing from Arkansas, him being a self-taught musician, blah blah blah. I feel like to some people they think that it qualifies as a good angle because the music industry is so cutthroat, and to use Heidi Klum’s famous quote “one day you’re in, the next day you’re out”. So a personality like Kris’s might be something these reporters aren’t used to, so they prefer to write about it. But thank you for acknowledging that what the media does decide to cover and insinuate is neither of these guys’s faults.

I’ve also written stories about Kelly Clarkson, Danny Gokey, various Top 36 contestants, the entire S8 and their plans post Idol’ ¦Simon Cowell and Ellen Degeneres’ ¦so many articles. But, as an Adam fan, perhaps you weren’t interested? Plenty of Non-adam stories’ ¦

C’mon MJ, I follow your stories religiously. In fact, I pulled a list to make sure my memory was correct and couldn’t find a Kris story among them except during the season with the leaks. I was probably too general in my post. I said in my post “Season 8″, I guess I should have specified contestant stories. I also said subsequent to the season, because the gist of the MTV story seems to be that Kris isn’t getting the media attention he should as the WINNER.

Hee, did anyone post this? Come Back to Me video that Andy tweeted about – just a cute lil’ glimpse of Kyle as Captain America the other night. Made me giggle. Might just be ‘cuz I’m tired, might be ‘cuz it is cute

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lW8RHoDSJ8Y

leome
11/16/2009 at 6:24 pm

I just read this on Pulse, I don’t know where on his site it was posted (it’s too confusing for me, that site lol) but apparently this was posted by mods on Adam’s site.

Please only request Adam’s song from your LOCAL stations, and do try to stop short of harassment or the stations may go so far as to blacklist Adam’s music. This is a serious issue, gang, and we’ve had several complaints from stations already today, so please request responsibly! Having said that, we know you mean well and truly appreciate your support.

RCA Records

p.s. ‘“ And no, we don’t ‘share our strategy’ for working singles at radio, as this is between RCA, 19 and Adam. It’s no huge secret operation ‘“ it’s just a colossal amount of strategic detail that will bore you to tears, and is handled by professionals with DECADES of experience. If you must know: http://www.amazon.com/Need-Know-About-Music-Business/dp/0743293185. If Adam’s single had been delivered to us last month like KA’s was to JIVE instead of last week, it would be at radio already.

Must be serious for them to be alerting the fans.

Wait, what? Why would DJs blacklist Adam’s music? I seem to be missing something here….

Where i agree with you that if anyone thinks that the Hype means Adam will garner all this success in a week or two that is impossible and just a formula for failure’ ¦..on the other hand the Hype on Adam I don’t ever remember seeing an expatriation or due date. I believe he will live up to expectations, but, it will be over time, and it will be a moderate build up. I do however think he will gets some relief on his potential when his album sales are reported. (He may not be number 1 or 2 but I believe his sales will be very very respectable and I also think his album sales after the first week will be consistent and good.)

Well it would be nice if Adam was allowed to not be given an expiration date and that over time he could do well. But that’s not realistic with the unrealistic expectations that are being placed on Adam due to the hype. That indeed is the very problem.

That because there is hype, that is very big in some quarter or perceived to be that way, that the expectations are very large and yes, they are fairly immediate, and yes I think Adam will fail to live up.

So really and my point, I don’t see any up side to the hype around Adam, because some of it is so outsized, there is no way he COULD live up to it, and even if he does okay and okay over time, that that won’t be living up to the hype and a “failure.”

Take a look at how Adam did with FYE, it did pretty badly to what the hype and expectations were. There started being Tweets and blogs about Adam not living up to his hype. He got something of a reprieve there because his album came up for pre-order and lifted his single sales. But without that, this single sales have sunk and are back down to some pretty mediocre levels. But even with that lift last week, it won’t be a large week for him. And not compared to last years idols or other “big,” names. Now if one wants to say, ‘well, but Adam isn’t really a big name,’ valid and I agree totally. But when Adam is hyped and said by some as a potential ‘big thing,’ that when he doesn’t have Big Thing numbers, he will be labelled a ‘failure.’

And artistically, Adam sooo is not going to live up to some of the hype there. That certainly was the case with TfM. Sorry Brian May and still sorry to your hair. FYE the album, and indeed the single, aren’t going to be setting the world on fire artistically. Which I think is fine and I didn’t expect from the AI machine and the time crunches thes guys are in. So “flashy,” collaboraters aside, it was always still going to be a first post AI album with 19Evil there and doing it’s thing. So expecting anything else? Wasn’t realistic. But somehow some felt that was expected of Adam. I think that does Adam no favours either. So yeah, not a fan of Black Swan either. Sorry to say.

Okay, so obviouly a new crop of Adam fans are calling the radio stations. All I can say is these people cannot possibly be seasoned AI watchers, because just about al of them know the damage this can cause.

Which begs the question- how the hell do you stop fans from requesting music? This can’t be people from AO, IDF, ONTD-AI>MJ’s, etc- all of them KNOW this. It has to be random fans, or anti fans ( I know, I know- I hate saying it, but those groups of people DO exist).

So is this RCA guy saying they didn’t even have Adam’s single until last week???

I just read this on Pulse, I don’t know where on his site it was posted (it’s too confusing for me, that site lol) but apparently this was posted by mods on Adam’s site.

Please only request Adam’s song from your LOCAL stations, and do try to stop short of harassment or the stations may go so far as to blacklist Adam’s music. This is a serious issue, gang, and we’ve had several complaints from stations already today, so please request responsibly! Having said that, we know you mean well and truly appreciate your support.

RCA Records

Must be serious for them to be alerting the fans.

This all goes back to the Twitter brigade of people rallying their followers to call the stations and even providing lists for their followers. It annoyed me to no end when it was done and condoned. It is just sad that it has come to this. I hope the people responsible see what they achieved.

Don’t DJs get calls all the time from people requesting music from their favorite artists. Why on earth would they blacklist an artist because they have fans calling to play their music. I don’t think DJ’s should blame an artist’s fans for not playing the artist’s music. It sounds like an excuse.

Studio57
11/16/2009 at 6:50 pm

Okay, so obviouly a new crop of Adam fans are calling the radio stations. All I can say is these people cannot possibly be seasoned AI watchers, because just about al of them know the damage this can cause.

Which begs the question- how the hell do you stop fans from requesting music? This can’t be people from AO, IDF, ONTD-AI>MJ’s, etc- all of them KNOW this. It has to be random fans, or anti fans ( I know, I know- I hate saying it, but those groups of people DO exist).

So is this RCA guy saying they didn’t even have Adam’s single until last week???

Sorry, but as polarizing as Adam is, I seriously doubt anti-fans are making a huge amount of difference in this thing. I really don’t think people who don’t like Adam are lambasting these DJs to play FYE, while knowing full well the desired effect.

And I was looking through the Twitters and I found this:

Look at this guy’s Twitter: http://twitter.com/billyontheradio

Please only request Adam’s song from your LOCAL stations, and do try to stop short of harassment or the stations may go so far as to blacklist Adam’s music. This is a serious issue, gang, and we’ve had several complaints from stations already today, so please request responsibly! Having said that, we know you mean well and truly appreciate your support.

RCA Records

p.s. ‘“ And no, we don’t ‘share our strategy’ for working singles at radio, as this is between RCA, 19 and Adam. It’s no huge secret operation ‘“ it’s just a colossal amount of strategic detail that will bore you to tears, and is handled by professionals with DECADES of experience. If you must know: http://www.amazon.com/Need-Know-About-Music-Business/dp/0743293185. If Adam’s single had been delivered to us last month like KA’s was to JIVE instead of last week, it would be at radio already.

If anyone believes that RCA Records actually sent this, I have a bridge to sell you in Brooklyn.

If anyone believes that RCA Records actually sent this, I have a bridge to sell you in Brooklyn.

I believe just a few weeks ago they had a moderator impersonator saying that they were banning people. Dunno? *shrug*

Starr In my book it is just as likely that it could be crazed fans or real haters. Swing by VFTW and see just how deep it goes. They pretty much hate on anything with 2 legs.

Interesting. I should’ve thought of that. Who owns the rights to Light On and Come Back to Me?

Funny you should ask….

LO:

DISAPPEARING ONE
C/O SONY/ATV TUNES LLC
ATTN: LACEY CHEMSAK
8 MUSIC SQ W
NASHVILLE, TN, 37203
Tel. (615) 726-8300

SONY/ATV TUNES LLC
ATTN: LACEY CHEMSAK
8 MUSIC SQ W
NASHVILLE, TN, 37203
Tel. (615) 726-8300

Come Back To Me

SONY/ATV TUNES LLC
ATTN: LACEY CHEMSAK
8 MUSIC SQ W
NASHVILLE, TN, 37203
Tel. (615) 726-8300

ZAC MALOY MUSIC
% SONY/ATV MUSIC PUBLISHING LLC
PO BOX 415000
LKBX 30578
NASHVILLE, TN, 37241
Tel. (918) 712-9753

The other song entries from DCTR on ASCAP have Analog Heart Music, INC c/o Cherry Lane listed among the Publishers/Administrators. Some, like the Raine or Malloy co penned songs, have Sony/ATV Music Publishing listed as well as AHM, INC. Some, like Avalanche and ADAM, have only Analog Heart Music, INC listed. I have no idea if it means anything in regards to the label’s single selection decision making process or how various royalties shake down, but I imagine as an artist it’s always better to have a stake of ownership in your music. Obviously David isn’t “disowning” AH:TR if he named his publishing company AH, INC, though, you know? Maybe he would have had to concede some sort of rights to his back catalogue to Sony if a big chunk of his pre-AI music was released officially through RCA and that’s part of the reason why it hasn’t officially been put out there (in addition to the whole cannibalizing sales from DCTR thing.) I’m sure there’s some sort of agreement that as long as he’s with RCA, he’s got to pimp mostly the music that makes RCA money, hence the teeny tiny little trickle of pre-AI stuff that’s escaped into the live shows.

If Adam’s single had been delivered to us last month like KA’s was to JIVE instead of last week, it would be at radio already.

Holy shit. Is that really someone at RCA’s official post, no chance of confusion?

Cause that’s bananas. Labels never air their gripes like that publicly. Nor confer directly with the fans.

Hell, RCA staff have never posted anything but press releases, vids, or DC’s own content on DCO, which is frustrating because it’s always old and non-newsworthy. Daughtry’s site, when I’ve glanced at it, is similarly non-controversial.

Eeeenteresting to see someone poking their head out from behind the curtain on AL’s site.

ETA: If anyone believes that RCA Records actually sent this, I have a bridge to sell you in Brooklyn

Oops. I guess I own a bridge now, with a plate of egg in the face. It sounded too good-and by good, I mean crazy–to be true.

If anyone believes that RCA Records actually sent this, I have a bridge to sell you in Brooklyn.

Yep, I call bulls**t on this one. Open House Party, anyone? Most requested song of the day on a bunch of HAC/CHR stations? If no one makes requests, you don’t HAVE most requested songs.

If anyone believes that RCA Records actually sent this, I have a bridge to sell you in Brooklyn.

This was posted by a mod on Adam’s site
Source

Cause that’s bananas. Labels never air their gripes like that publicly. Nor confer directly with the fans.

There’s a mod on Daughtry’s site who usually posts stuff about the label and radio, etc… and months ago, not long after No Surprised was released, that mod wrote a post where it said RCA wasn’t happy with the fact that 19 made the band debut the song on idol, because it was too soon and RCA wanted to release it later. Apparently these mods do share this stuff.

I see posts by the “mods” at Daughtry’s site making those kinds of gripes all the time. They even blamed others for being “forced” to debut No Surprise on AI. They all claim to be officially associated with RCA.

Okay, I just looked at AO and I don’t see any RCA comments. Is this something in the forums? It’s not on the front page.

And yes fans can request too much. And stations will hate Adam if fans spam them.

Update on SNL appearances. This is the rumored schedule for the next weeks until christmas:

Nov 21, host: Joseph Gordon-Levitt; Musical guest: Dave Matthews Band
Dec 5, host: Jake Gyllenhaal; Musical guest: 50 cent
Dec 12, host: ?; Musical guest: Bon Jovi
Dec 19, host: Derek Jeter; Musical guest: Jay-Z

So unfortunately no idol seems to be scheduled.
These could be wrong, after all Jordin was rumored to appear and it was the BEP, but those seem to be very plausible names.

Here is the link to the post on AO – it is the first post after the OP – it appears to be official RCA mod as the OP was also altered – so it’s real unless the site was hacked:

http://www.adamofficial.com/ca/node/901241

There’s a mod on Daughtry’s site who usually posts stuff about the label and radio, etc’ ¦

Really? Poor DCO….no official RCA mod love.

Cause that’s bananas. Labels never air their gripes like that publicly. Nor confer directly with the fans.

Actually, Taylor Hick’s Label asked the fans to stop bugging the radio stations in a post on Taylor’s My Space back in the day.

So, there’s your precedent for that sort of interference, or intervention, if you will, from the label.

koshka
11/16/2009 at 7:10 pm

If anyone believes that RCA Records actually sent this, I have a bridge to sell you in Brooklyn.

I believe just a few weeks ago they had a moderator impersonator saying that they were banning people. Dunno? *shrug*

Starr In my book it is just as likely that it could be crazed fans or real haters. Swing by VFTW and see just how deep it goes. They pretty much hate on anything with 2 legs.

I have been to VFTW, and they actually have an article that refutes their taking part in this thing. If it WAS them, then wouldn’t they gloat about how they’ve destroyed Adam’s career? Here is the link to the VFTW article:

http://votefortheworst.com/20091108/adam_lambert_fans_are_already_ruining_his_career_overrequesting_his_bad_music_no_one_wants_hear

Here is the link to the post on AO ‘“ it is the first post after the OP ‘“ it appears to be official RCA mod as the OP was also altered ‘“ so it’s real unless the site was hacked:

http://www.adamofficial.com/ca/node/901241

They got complaints from the radio stations because of fans requesting it?
Not really surprised, that sure was fast.

Really? Poor DCO’ ¦.no official RCA mod love.

LOL
I think DCO really has a fantastic thread about radio and everything related to it. Of course there’s no inside info there, but it’s enough to have the fans informed about what they really need to know and I think it kinda works, they even have it at the top of the forums.
And can you imagine the angst? LOL knowing RCA and 19 had different plans? It’s better to pretend they all get along fine.

Btw, that Adam mod is very legit, the account has been there even before the forum was open to the public.

I was probably too general in my post. I said in my post ‘Season 8′ ³, I guess I should have specified contestant stories. I also said subsequent to the season, because the gist of the MTV story seems to be that Kris isn’t getting the media attention he should as the WINNER.

So really, your question was: Have I done any stories on Kris subsequent to the end of Season 8. And the answer is, no. (although I did a story that focused on Danny)

Have I pitched any stories to my editor about Kris? No, I haven’t.

Whike checking out AO I noticed this leak to the back cover of FYE-Michelin Man but I like it!

http://twitpic.com/pt4rm

Speaking of Kris, his album is moving back up the iTunes charts. It was in the 70′soverall and #19 pop yesterday or the day before (the day we were debating in the headlines thread whether he’d outsell John Mayer in the 1st week — I think that was yesterday?). Right now, it’s at #47 overall and #10 pop. That’s a decent bump.

Adam’s album meanwhile is currently at #41 overall and #9 pop

. Don’t DJs get calls all the time from people requesting music from their favorite artists. Why on earth would they blacklist an artist because they have fans calling to play their music.

Simple answer: No. When they’ve played a song, they get requests from regular listeners who want to hear more of it, mainly. And sometimes they get requests for songs that have just come out and they haven’t played them, but, again, from regular listeners, mainly. (this I know for sure, from djs of my acquaintance. This next I only glean from the history of AI requesting, but I think it’s probably pretty accurate.)

But when they get requests for some (male!) Idols’ songs, many of the requests come from out of the area, many of the requests come when they’ve never played the song, many of the requests come from people who clearly know nothing about the radio station in question, often the requests escalate over time, with the requesters getting mad and insulting other songs and artists in the course of their requests, and even more emotional stuff.

When Idol audiences request, it’s *personal*. And this often comes across very clearly to the stations. Plus, the requesters are very very often people who *never* listen to the station otherwise. They don’t want requests from people who never listen to the station otherwise, because the reason they take requests at all is that they want to respond to the audiences who will regularly and over the long haul hear the station and their *ads.*

It’s not at all surprising to me that they hate this and that they would try to rebel. Among other reasons, since the Idols in question seldom seem to be appealing to the stations’ regular listeners, why *would* they want to play them? Requesting is there to cement the station’s commercial relationship with listeners who will be long-term listeners and thus help the station bring in advertising revenue. The Idol requests — many of which come from an entirely different group of people — are completely outside this ballpark and, in the station’s eyes, might not only be irrelevant but possibly even harmful to holding on to their regular audience.

Did you guys see that they redesigned Kris’ official site? Looks better…

Ah. it looks like RCA is working the single FYE. It is a good news.

If fans of any of the current or former AI artists are harrassing any radio stations about playing their favorite’s songs — especially if they are harrassing stations outside of their own actual listening area, then those fans might need to go back and read that handy guide David Cook posted about the do’s and don’ts of sending requests to radio stations

Can anyone direct me to this ‘post’ on AO. I can’t find it – which causes a big bell to ring for me.

NVM – found it.

Maybe this has already been mentioned? On Adam’s official site you can buy WWFM for $1.29 and it reads “Download Adam’s NEW SINGLE Whataya Want from Me”!

Whike checking out AO I noticed this leak to the back cover of FYE-Michelin Man but I like it!

http://twitpic.com/pt4rm

I was wrong, that is kind of cool. Or maybe it’s just that my standards WTAF been lowered so much by the actual cover, that that now appears much saner and kind of cool.

http://www.adamofficial.com/ca/node/938506

I seem to remember stories circulating last year about crazy Idol fans (maybe the Claymates?) harassing DJs to the point that radio rejected their singles. That’s the reason the threads about sensible requesting were born on DCO.

OT- As part of their album release, OneRepublic is doing a livestream concert starting at 8:00 ET.

http://www.ustream.tv/channel/onerepublic-live

Here’s link to the “warning” from RCA to the fans about sending requests to radio stations

http://www.adamofficial.com/ca/node#comment-938506

Whike checking out AO I noticed this leak to the back cover of FYE-Michelin Man but I like it!

http://twitpic.com/pt4rm

I was wrong, that is kind of cool. Or maybe it’s just that my standards WTAF been lowered so much by the actual cover, that that now appears much saner and kind of cool.

I think its another good example of how “out of context” can skew our judgements!

Starr & girlygirl – thanks for the info. I still don’t know if this is a legit mod. (not that it matters). I don’t trust the site or the content.. it was left for the wolves for so long, I don’t believe anything I read on it.

re; that post on AO regarding requesting FYE, well sad it needed to said, but I wish it were surprsing. Oy to the vey people. Enthusiasm good, spamming? bad.

Whike checking out AO I noticed this leak to the back cover of FYE-Michelin Man but I like it!

http://twitpic.com/pt4rm

I was wrong, that is kind of cool. Or maybe it’s just that my standards WTAF been lowered so much by the actual cover, that that now appears much saner and kind of cool.

When you put the front and back covers together, it all ties in. He did the glittery alien. Back cover — Arrival Front Cover — Awareness

ETA: The campy comment makes more sense now. Never got it before.

DAvid is singing at the kaleidoscope skating event right now.

http://audioboo.fm/boos/76832-david-archuleta-silent-night
audio from silent night, he’s singing the first noel right now.

heres the audio for the first noel:
http://audioboo.fm/boos/76835-david-archuleta-the-first-noel

^^ partial audios

I feel scorned and butthurt.

Apparently I was extrapolating from my one year’s experience at one dude’s fan site to EVERYBODY EVERYWHERE . . . and now I find that reality & facts say otherwise? Haters.

Ok, apparently lots of labels on lots of sites speak directly to the fans about problems. It is only in David Cookdom where RCA remains sphinxlike, silent and mysterious.

Possibly because they know we want to chop them up into little pieces over singles strategy . . . .

That’s the reason the threads about sensible requesting were born on DCO.

Yeah, but they were totally fan created. That’s what gave me the misimpression. Cause the label didn’t take action at all, but fans crafted guidelines.

Yeah, but they were totally fan created. That’s what gave me the misimpression. Cause the label didn’t take action at all, but fans crafted guidelines.

Fans created them from the very beginning, so the label really didn’t have to take action. Personally, I think it’s a good sign the label didn’t feel like they had to say something. lol

Thanks for the link to AO. Well, I believe the warning to fans not to bug radio stations. That seems fine. But that little p.s. bitching about Adam’s single coming in later than Kris is crazy. Why would they post that on an official site.

Did you guys see that they redesigned Kris’ official site? Looks better’ ¦

Thanks, girlygirl. I just looked at it. It’s awesome! The design is beautiful.

Katherine McPhee – I Had it All http://boo.fm/b76840 from kaleidoscope

But that little p.s. bitching about Adam’s single coming in later than Kris is crazy. Why would they post that on an official site.

And why do they say they didn’t get the song when they wanted? It’s the label, aren’t they the responsible people for the songs? Are they saying Adam took more time than he should have?
I really don’t understand how this stuff works, lol, that comment does have me confused.

One question about the back cover. How did someone get the CD to scan?
It’s not a good pic and looks like they left the cellophane on when they scanned it, or maybe they took a quick pic with a cellphone?

http://twitpic.com/pt4rm

DAvid is singing at the kaleidoscope skating event right now.

One thing I’ve noticed is that often the Archie fans just say “David” and don’t specify, and often I think they are talking about David Cook. Since there were two Davids last year, it would be so helpful if people would clarify which one they are talking about. I see this a lot here with the Archie fans. Thanks.

(Since David is such a common name, and there are two of them that are regularly spoken of here, it gets confusing. That’s why we usually say “DC” or “David Cook” at the beginning of a conversation to make it clear, it’s just being respectful.

then those fans might need to go back and read that handy guide David Cook posted about the do’s and don’ts of sending requests to radio stations

David Cook did NOT post the do’s and don’ts on requesting songs from radio stations. (I’m pretty sure he had more important things to attend to during the time of his album launch.) As maturin mentioned above, some of his fans created a DCO thread on the topic, with warnings on the harm that spamming radio stations can do to the artist if they piss of the radio DJs with multiple (i.e., spammy), non-local, and sometimes overly aggressive radio requests.

ETA:

Ok, apparently lots of labels on lots of sites speak directly to the fans about problems. It is only in David Cookdom where RCA remains sphinxlike, silent and mysterious.

And late. As in several days late with any “breaking news” about David Cook.

oceana.. lol normally i try to say ‘archie’ or ‘david a’ here… lol sometimes i just forget. lol

though i kinda figured the link saying ‘david archuleta’ in it kinda gave it away… lol

Here’s link to the ‘warning’  from RCA to the fans about sending requests to radio stations

http://www.adamofficial.com/ca/node#comment-938506

Ok Starr I finally see what you mean. The other link in this thread is to a posting link and is not a sticky (like seen on the above link).

RCA could be irked about having the single held… if 19 was working the AMA angle. My theory is that WWFM was to be the first release, but with scoring the AMA gig they needed something a little spicier. Perhaps the whole processes created a huge delay that RCA didn’t like. *like I said.. just a theory*

DC is performing his new song Make Believe right now for the first time for the Canadian fans. Hope they enjoy it!

Now there is talk of an imminent “leak” of FYE (only on twitter-no confirmation!)

@Meg_Leisey IDK. PPL IN MY TWITTER FEED ARE FREAKING OUT SAYING ITS BEING UPLOADED

You know some of these articles that are coming out on Kris are simply stating the truth. Adam news has been all over the place, Kris news has been sparse. Kris is not offended. End of story.

Michael Sarver is rehearsing with some other idols for the American Star in Concert for the Holidays Tour he is apart of. He also posted a picture:

michaelsarver1 Me and the guys at rehearsal for American Star In Concert for the Holidays Tour. Good times!!! http://twitpic.com/pti5v

But that little p.s. bitching about Adam’s single coming in later than Kris is crazy. Why would they post that on an official site.

IF this came from a mod maybe they’re receiving a lot of questions about why Adam’s single didn’t come out sooner. Don’t know the facts, but just a thought…

Two more reviews of Kris’ album

http://www.hitfix.com/blogs/2008-12-6-the-beat-goes-on/posts/review-is-kris-allen-s-major-label-debut-a-dud-or-a-stud

http://www.insidebayarea.com/entertainment/ci_13801563?source=rss

Hooray for David Cook singing Make Believe again tonight. I’m really looking forward to hearing that song now that he’s gotten through the nerves of performing it for the first time. The chorus is absolutely stuck in my head. Total ear worm.

Really? Poor DCO’ ¦.no official RCA mod love.

Yeah, but they were totally fan created. That’s what gave me the misimpression. Cause the label didn’t take action at all, but fans crafted guidelines.

The fan-moderators on DCO are very “capable.” Believe me. I get mad at them all the time. And, when they can’t manage to keep the fans in line, DC shows up somewhere with his daddy voice.

And late. As in several days late with any ‘breaking news’  about David Cook.

It hardly matters since the fans are way ahead of them — usually via Brazil.

girlygirl, those two reviews crack me up. One said he shouldn’t have had ballads and the other said he should have had more. LOL. It’s almost as if the reviewers feel like they have to find something wrong with the album.

Yep, I just said that when I realize every reviewer just have their own tastes and opinions.

LOL at those two Kris Allen reviews. One points out BIB as the worst song on the cd and the other names it as one of the best. Different strokes!

ETA: gah! cookcricket noticed the same thing. At the same time. At one site I visit, they call that a postgasm! LOL.

interview Kris did with official AI site a couple of weeks ago…just now being posted

http://www.americanidol.com/videos/season_8/special_guests/kris_allen_life_after_idol

Getty images : David A at kaleidoscope
http://www.gettyimages.com/detail/93099275/Getty-Images-Entertainment

he’s singing pat a pan right now
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http://www.gettyimages.com/detail/93099476/Getty-Images-Entertainment

david, kat, david foster, scott, onj
more pics at getty

pat-a-pan:
http://audioboo.fm/boos/76845-david-archuleta-french-carol

those fans might need to go back and read that handy guide David Cook posted about the do’s and don’ts of sending requests to radio stations

Heh. Probably the first and last time I ever get confused for David Cook.

Dave sang Make Believe again at his concert tonight! Crossing my fingers for a good video.

Hey if anyone lives near Conway, Arkansas, the Walmart on Skyline Drive is having a release party for Kris’ CD…

http://thecabin.net/news/local/2009-11-16/kris-allen-debut-album-be-released-midnight

That’s right LadyM. It was you that gave us that handy dandy guide on how not to skeer (or piss off) radio people with our requests! Hee.

LOL….Adam’s LABEL is reprimanding fans about radio requesting? Well that was quick.

The Claymates have defied the laws of evolution.

I went and listened to Kris’ interview on the American Idol site. Thanks for posting it. While there, I noticed it was Ace Young’s birthday, so Happy Birthday Ace!

OMGosh, there are 3 Walmarts in Conway?!?!

LOL at those two Kris Allen reviews. One points out BIB as the worst song on the cd and the other names it as one of the best. Different strokes!

lol,,,yeah it’s all opinions!

btw, Silent Night is the only song he had a skater for, the first noel and pat-a-pan were solo performances at the event.
—
AudioBoo: K.McPhee – I’ll Be Home for Xmas http://boo.fm/b'‹76848

talking about critics’s opinions.. i read one that said that 2-3 songs on the album could be sung by Celine Dion…. hahahahahahahahha

Thanks for the links, frogcooke!

The back cover of Adams CD is the Michelan (SP) MAN??????

from the washinton examiner… excerpted here, read more at link…

from reports from random tweeters in the audience, and fans who attended the ”kaleidoscope” taping in dc tonight, david. killed. it. this special airs on fox thanksgiving day – must see tv round my crib must hear pat-a-pan live, to get an idea what to expect when i catch him in concert on 12/15…

Sightings: Wonder spotted; the stars were out at Art and Soul
By: Nikki Schwab and Tara Palmeri
Washington Examiner
11/16/09 9:00 PM EST

…….Also spotted: Dining at Art and Soul at the Liaison Capitol Hill Hotel were Kristi Yamaguchi, Nancy Kerrigan, David Foster, Dorothy Hamill, Scott Hamilton, Charlie White, Meryl Davis, David Archuleta and Olivia Newton-John. The stars, who were seen mingling among three tables, were in town for a performance at the “Kaleidoscope on Ice” event Monday night at the Verizon Center for women’s cancer research.

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/politics/blogs/yeas-and-nays/Sightings_-Wonder-spotted_-the-stars-were-out-at-Art-and-Soul-8543140-70231577.html

Miss Chaos
11/16/2009 at 10:15 pm
The back cover of Adams CD is the Michelan (SP) MAN??????

It is, and I think it’s kind of cool. Which I never in a million years thought I would say. I’ll say again though, maybe it’s just in comparison to the front cover, which I still hate with the passion of 10,000 suns.

There is a members-locked thread on ontd_ai giving details on Jim C’s interview with Kris today. Suffice it to say, it should be a very interesting interview, with a very honest…and sometimes none too happy…Kris. Can’t wait to see/read it (tomorrow?)

There is a members-locked thread on ontd_ai giving details on Jim C’s interview with Kris today.

Jim is hanging out in locked threads at ONTD-ai spilling deets???

http://www.reuters.com/article/musicNews/idUSTRE5AG0A220091117

Underwood says “Idol” winners should play to fans

ladymadonna — 11/16/2009 at 9:21 pm

those fans might need to go back and read that handy guide David Cook posted about the do’s and don’ts of sending requests to radio stations

Heh. Probably the first and last time I ever get confused for David Cook.

Heh. Yes, LadyM posted an awesome post on not annoying radio DJs, and another DCO poster (kaydeecee) posted an awesome post on not spamming bad reviews. Really, between that sort of thing, and the tour threads that our fan moderator maintains, DCO has a lot of helpful stuff that enables RCA to ignore it quite a bit.

I strongly suspect that the AO.com post is legitimately from a moderator, given the date on that poster’s profile. But I’ll bet that whomever it was who posted it was not authorized to include that PS. Just a guess.

MJ

Hints, not deets

Underwood said she was a fan of Kris Allen’s this year, and also third-place finisher Danny Gokey, whose country-style debut album is expected early next year.

I <3 her.

Wow at the hints from Jim! Can't wait for this interview.

Kris made another big jump on iTunes within the last update to #44. Awesome to see on the eve of the debut!

Apparently David Cook sang part of my Celine Dion’s”My Heart Will Go On” at his concert in Windsor tonight. The fact Neal Tiemann knows how to play that song cracks me up…Please let there be video…

Attention: Adam Fans

I’m not a fan of you guys for what you did to me . Look at this picture and you will like it.

http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h205/koffan_2006/photo3.jpg

That is my laptop. That was your doing. I caved.

I am now $16.99 short. Yes, I preordered the deluxe version, in case you couldn’t tell. Gah.

But OMG KRIS ALLEN’S ALBUM COMES OUT TOMORROW OH MY GAWD AAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHH

I’m not a fan of you guys for what you did to me . Look at this picture and you will like it.

http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h205/koffan_2006/photo3.jpg

That is my laptop.

LOL. You won’t regret it!

It hardly matters since the fans are way ahead of them ‘” usually via Brazil.

Hee. I’m pretty sure that if ladym’s resourceful DCO Billboard thread minions joined forces with the Brazillian Word Nerds, they could take over the world. Or at least run a small country, which they would aptly rename Cookistan.

You’re right, I didn’t regret it. For Your Entertainment is still not the best song ever, but it’s no longer terrible. I could do without the NES/Game Boy sounds somewhere near the bridge that sound kinda like a video game, though. They remind me of how much of a nerd I am.

jammasta you totally make me smile!

Sunchick, you are right. Us minions must be watched. And I love that David Cook was credited with LadyM’s work at DCO. She and her minions have headed off some of the sillier impulses of the fans. Myself included. As has maturin. I feel DCO has thrived due to those types of efforts, and those of our mod, FoolsApril. And the Brazilian Word Nerds.

Hee. I’m pretty sure that if ladym’s resourceful DCO Billboard thread minions joined forces with the Brazillian Word Nerds, they could take over the world. Or at least run a small country, which they would aptly rename Cookistan.

Haha roflmao Cookistan! You now owe me a new iPod Sunchick!

ETA: And the national anthem
of
Cookistan would be “A Daily AntheM”.

Link to review of FYE here: The letter of the day is D for Doucheit’s mostly positive and okay, until the last part. Which hey, guess Adam is back to being TOO gay and hurting the gay community. Super!

Link to review of FYE here: The letter of the day is D for Doucheit’s mostly positive and okay, until the last part. Which hey, guess Adam is back to being TOO gay and hurting the gay community. Super!

Heh. Sometimes I think Adam can’t win. He is either too gay or not gay enough. Poor boy.

Now thanks to sunchick I can proudly call myself one of many minions. I feel so proud. Hee

Awesome to be a minion. I have already recruited our general, aka, the yak. We are set for the war. The war anthem will, naturally, be Magic Rainbow.

I’m not a fan of you guys for what you did to me . Look at this picture and you will like it.

I think you are a fan, and just don’t know it yet, lol. C’mon admit it, you sorta like the fierce one!

WOW. Another fantastic set of professional photographs from David Cook’s never-ending tour of nations. I think these may be my favorite professional shots yet. They really capture the energy of the live show – that last one, with the eye-contact? That’s exactly what it feels like…:

http://ishootshows.com/2009/11/16/david-cook/

The photographer says:

I didn’t come into this show with any preconceptions, but after photographing David Cook’s performance, I came away mightily impressed. Not only did the American Idol winner come out rockin’, he did so with a great stage performance and a very tight set.

For the first two songs, Cook rocked out behind is mic stand for the most part and didn’t leave the monitors except for a few trips to the back of the stage. The real treat came at the end of the third song, when the Idol winner came to the front of the stage on two occasions. For my shooting, this was easily the best part of the gig and it was great to get some shots of Cook going to town on his Gibson.

Or at least run a small country, which they would aptly rename Cookistan.

Minion reporting in from the merry world of proofreading. Would like to live in Cookistan, thanks. And please let there be a video of David singing Celine Dion

http://ishootshows.com/2009/11/16/david-cook/

Erm… those are hot. And yes indeed, the eye contact is what it feels like… you just *swear* he’s looking right at you.

Apparently David Cook sang part of my Celine Dion’s’ My Heart Will Go On’  at his concert in Windsor tonight. The fact Neal Tiemann knows how to play that song cracks me up’ ¦Please let there be video’ ¦

Near, far, wherever you are . . . *bwah*

Cook never fails to make each concert interesting. Hilarious.

Would like to live in Cookistan, thanks. And please let there be a video of David singing Celine Dion

THIS. Oh and David singing Celine Dion would not only make my day but would literally make my year. Hee

Would like to live in Cookistan, thanks. And please let there be a video of David singing Celine Dion

THIS. Oh and David singing Celine Dion would not only make my day but would literally make my year. Hee

Those shots are fantastic!

some tweets from the ”kaleidoscope” taping in dc tonight, where by all reports david a sang his face off… can’t wait to see this on thanksgiving day…

muldur
@DavidArchie David that show was beautiful!
31 minutes ago from TinyTwitter

envyvale
– david archuletta ahhh i touched him!
41 minutes ago from txt

mikeangelo7
Met David Archuleta, Scott Hamilton, Kristi Yamaguchi, Dorothy Hamill, Rachael Flatt, Ashley Wagner, Charlie White & Merly Davis in DC.
about 1 hour ago from UberTwitter

KTI2008
@DavidArchie David you were great tonight!! Pat a pan was amazing!!!! about 1 hour ago from Echofon

KOKO21
Show was incredible! beautiful skating & @davidarchie was am