Idol Headlines for 11/15/09

Updates on Danny in LA:

Today Danny is singing at the 9 and 11 AM services at the Dream Center in Los Angeles (home to the Sophia’s Heart Youth Center in LA) and at the 102.7 KIIS FM/Ryan Seacrest Perfect Wedding!

Plus a tweet from the guy who plays guitar for Danny (looks like Danny is starting his radio tour).

Def_Santiago Wrapping up a relaxing week in Milwaukee. Headed to L.A. tonight to start touring… but we get WEEKENDS OFF! WOOT WOOT!

oh hai – Kelly and Adam as SNL host and performers – I can get with that!

Just saw these tweets posted on another site – not sure that the bondage wear has anything to do with Adam when I follow the tweets backwards, but **gulp**:

It’s 5 am…time to go make a video for @adamlambert
about 2 hours ago from web

xbadxromancex: Dancer for Adam Lambert’s video or AMAs RT mikemunich Rehearsal and bondage wear
about 1 hour ago from web

@cassie_simone: Watchin @justcallmehorse run this adam lambert rehearsal like it's his job…oh wait. It is.
about 12 hours ago from Echofon

Updates on Danny in LA:

Today Danny is singing at the 9 and 11 AM services at the Dream Center in Los Angeles (home to the Sophia’s Heart Youth Center in LA) and at the 102.7 KIIS FM/Ryan Seacrest Perfect Wedding!

Plus a tweet from the guy who plays guitar for Danny (looks like Danny is starting his radio tour).

Def_Santiago Wrapping up a relaxing week in Milwaukee. Headed to L.A. tonight to start touring’ ¦ but we get WEEKENDS OFF! WOOT WOOT!

I hope that Danny has fun at the wedding with Ryan Seacrest today.

Also, I think that it’s great if his radio tour is beginning on Monday on the West Coast. I hope that works out well for him.

Can’t wait for someone to release some twitpics from today’s video taping!!!

Hey, Sue Brody!
I noticed at the end of yesterday’s headlines thread you said you were excited because Adam’s album drops in 9 days.
Uh,uh! It’s 7 days from midnight tonight!

Reminder:

I just edited and deleted a bunch of posts from yesterday’s thread.

AGAIN:

1. DO comment on the thread. (already I’m editing posts in this brand new thread) Stick to the subject.
2. Please don’t mock, browbeat, or criticize fellow posters.
3. DO NOT try to dictate the discussion.
4. I’ve never promised unrelenting puppies and rainbows. If that’s what you’re looking for, you need to stick to fansites, where, typically the mods go into overdrive to keep the conversation object-friendly.

Just saw these tweets posted on another site ‘“ not sure that the bondage wear has anything to do with Adam when I follow the tweets backwards, but **gulp**:

Its hard to imagine a 1930 themed video with bondage attire-maybe they are mixing the old and the new. Imagining this now…

Do live shows always use the same theme as the video for a song?

The Dream Center where Danny will be singing this morning (LA time) has a live feed at http://dreamcenter.org/dcLive/.

Its hard to imagine a 1930 themed video with bondage attire-maybe they are mixing the old and the new. Imagining this now’ ¦

I was thinking that was more likely for the AMAs, but when I read back, it looked like it could have gone either way.

There are two different directors for the video and performance, so I wouldn’t imagine they would be the same thematically.

1. DO comment on the thread. (already I’m editing posts in this brand new thread) Stick to the subject.

In light of this, I want to direct some of you, who were following the conversation late last night, back to the previous headlines thread. (It doesn’t pay to go to bed.) I responded to Q3′s comments about Cook’s single releases but I fear that my response will not be seen since we’ve moved on to today’s thread. Sorry for the imposition.

In the new music section of my weekly Target ads this morning, the four CDs with the biggest pictures are One Republic, Norah Jones, John Mayer, and Kris Allen (all $9.98). Smaller pictures are of Janet Jackson, Justin Bieber, and Leona Lewis.

Surreal that this is all starting to happen “in real life”. BTW, John Mayer looks like Kris’ older brother (if he had one) – same hair!.

Just read this at another site. Nice to see Ryan Seacrest acknowledging Danny’s new single on his show.

Ryan Seacrest just played a clip of Its Only where Danny really soars on Its Only Love!! Ryan did a nice little promotion saying that ‘Danny went the Carrie Underwood way’  and for those not following country you can catch Danny’s single on DannyGokey.com

From a poster on another site:

Ok, Ryan Seacrest just played a clip of Its Only where Danny really soars on Its Only Love!! Ryan did a nice little promotion saying that ‘Danny went the Carrie Underwood way’  and for those not following country you can catch Danny’s single on DannyGokey.com

oh hai ‘“ Kelly and Adam as SNL host and performers ‘“ I can get with that!

Them co-hosting would be great. I would love to hear them duet, perhaps on WYWFM. It would be unreal.

Morning! iTunes chart update:

LLWD #59 overall, #26 pop

FYE #74 overall, #32 pop

Target ads this morning, the four CDs with the biggest pictures are One Republic, Norah Jones, John Mayer, and Kris Allen (all $9.98). Smaller pictures are of Janet Jackson, Justin Bieber, and Leona Lewis.

Any predictions for most sales this week? I’m predicting John Mayer and that Justin Bieber kid. (because of the JoBro/Miley crowd) One Republic,Mayer and Kris are sort of from the same musical vein. It will be interesting to see if the AI 8 trend continues. (I’m hoping it doesn’t!)

Interesting that Danny seems to be starting his radio tour out in California, since that isn’t exactly the strongest country music market. But good luck to him, hope it goes well

Looks like they are starting the shoot for Adam’s music video VERY early today, going off that dancer’s tweet. I wonder if that’s to try and avoid the fans stalking the shoot site, or just for some logistical reason, like that’s the time the place was available to be rented out.

Wow, Conan sure helped LLWD. Can’t wait for FYE promo to start!!

Them co-hosting would be great. I would love to hear them duet, perhaps on WYWFM. It would be unreal.

Wow, that would be great! Yes to a WWFM duet!

Canadian itunes

LLWD – #76 pop – not on overall

FYE #15 pop – #22 overall

Wow, Conan sure helped LLWD. Can’t wait for FYE promo to start!!

I think the VH1 premiere of the video helped too.

Looks like they are starting the shoot for Adam’s music video VERY early today, going off that dancer’s tweet. I wonder if that’s to try and avoid the fans stalking the shoot site, or just for some logistical reason, like that’s the time the place was available to be rented out.

They may also want the daylight and having been on a few shoots, (as an observer) these things take all day. I’m personally not digging the time change because it gets dark here in Los Angeles by 5:30 p.m. or so. Also, they will need alot of parking. Best to get there early. I wonder if Adam gets his own trailer?

Just got back from a workout listening to Adam’s new tracks. What a fantastic beat MP has and killer lyrics. WWFM has Adam’s great vocals and a beautiful song. fye is just plain naughty fun. The thing is these aren’t even the strongest songs on the album, IMO. It is no wonder RCA is pushing the album, they have long known what they have here. God, I can’t wait 7 more days!

Wow, Conan sure helped LLWD. Can’t wait for FYE promo to start!!

I think it has more to do with his video. There weren’t any sales surges that night.(after Conan) Color me surprised that videos have any impact, but I guess they wouldn’t make them if they didn’t help. I guess people still watch those video shows.
It’s all very interesting to watch. I’ve never followed the charts before. I am glad that Kris is going first though.(single and album release,video,talk shows)It helps to give me more realistic expectations.

Any predictions for most sales this week? I’m predicting John Mayer and that Justin Bieber kid. (because of the JoBro/Miley crowd) One Republic,Mayer and Kris are sort of from the same musical vein. It will be interesting to see if the AI 8 trend continues. (I’m hoping it doesn’t!)

John Mayer and Norah Jones I expect to be the big winners. Norah Jones may seem like a dark horse but even though she’s never been a radio monster her last 2 CD’s sold INSANE numbers their first week. One Republic I dont think will be high at all. Their last CD barely sold 80,000 its first week and that was coming off of “Apologize” being a massive hit.

“Any predictions for most sales this week? ”

For Kris? At least 2. The iTunes pass I bought in May and the Walmart hard copy I’m planning to pick up for the Daughtry bonus track.

I agree with others that John Mayer and Norah Jones will be the top two. It’s hard to say how Justin Bieber will do, since he markets to the Miley demographic – he sells a ton of singles, but I don’t know that those same people will shell out $10 for a CD if they have 3-4 of the singles already.

Basically, I have no clue, however.

Regarding Simon & the X-Factor, wonder what he would have thought of David Archuleta as a child on Star Search?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K6fKno0FVkY&feature=related

I also looked at Britney, Justin & Christina’s Star Searches and like David they all put a “growl” in their voice. None of their performances (to me) indicated “future star”, all seemed over rehearsed by (probably) over zealous parents. In fact, David was almost like a little Adam, had his “sexy” going on.

It’s 5 am’ ¦time to go make a video for @adamlambert
about 2 hours ago from web

@cassie_simone: Watchin @justcallmehorse run this adam lambert rehearsal like it’s his job’ ¦oh wait. It is.
about 12 hours ago from Echofon

Well, he ain’t doing that for WYWFM, that’s for bloody sure. I am curious as hell, tho. Now what I expected, and not really family friendly is it?! I would see that more for the AMAs. Like I know. I do not know.

Patty, yes, I said 11, not 8. lol I guess, as usual, I suck at numbers. I squee and flail and let YOU guys work on the numbers, he he

Man, I would give ANYTHING for Adam and Carrie to co-host SNL. Or for Adam just to be the musical guest,and a duet would cause palpitations. If Conan gave Kris a big bump (along with VH-1), it seems that the AMAs would do that for Adam, too. Or, you know, any promotion. Is anyone still curious about WYWFM playing twice on Open House Party? Cause I still am.

One thing more before I go to the GAP: Ryan mentioned Kris, Adam, and Danny on AT 40, but no Allison. Whassup with that? Someone tweet him (NOT ME, SORRY, I AM STILL WAITING FROM CLAUDE, MONTE, and RYAN TEDDER re: Master Plan).

Happy days for Kris and Adam fans!

Danny’s on live now at http://dreamcenter.org/dcLive/

Interesting that Danny seems to be starting his radio tour out in California, since that isn’t exactly the strongest country music market. But good luck to him, hope it goes well

It’s not too clear where they will be going. There is a station in the bay area that’s been running a contest for people to attend a breakfast event with Danny. I saw someone based out of LA who was all excited on twitter that she would be interviewing Danny on Tuesday. He may be making several hops around California, perhaps out west — including areas that are more country friendly. It’s also a media center, so there may be some interviews planned we haven’t learned about yet.

I’d guess the next stop will be midwest, as Danny’s due in Detroit for the Thanksgiving black-tie fundraiser, and then heading to WI. Not sure if we will get reports on the fundraiser performance — haven’t heard of any usual Danny fans who can pay the $1000/ticket for that one!

steph, thanks for posting that livestream link. I am not usually up and around this early on a Sunday morning but happened to see this, and got to see Danny sing. As far as I know, this is the first time he has sung “It’s Only” live, it was cool to get to see that!

Does anyone know about Open House Party airing tonight? I can’t bear to hear any of it except if Adam is on again. What a train wreck. Truly painful.

Hoping for some twitpics from Adam’s shoot. Guess will have to follow Twitter the Devil (because I never do ).

I wonder if Adam gets his own trailer?

If he wants to pay for it, he does. Hell, if he wants to pay for it, he could have two trailers. I think I’ve heard quoted that 50% of a video’s cost is paid for by the artist. I’m sure there’s variations, but I’d guess that’s a pretty standard figure. I’d think, however, that every time the demands are upped by the artist, they have to shell out more. Never fool yourself that the label isn’t in control and isn’t charging the artist’s account for every little thing.

suebrody, that is the format Adam is trying to hit. That is exactly the thing that I said wtf to when DC didn’t make it huge on that format. I actually don’t listen to much radio at all (except for a couple of stations that are very much not mainstream), but I did listen to HAC for a while when DC was charting there…actually he’s still charting there but in recurrency.

Anyhow, I won’t listen (you can’t even make me) to T-40, dance, rhythmic or any of those kind of stations. Not going to happen. That’s probably exactly why I’m not a fan of Adam Lambert. For me it’s not the voice, but how he chooses to use it. Blech for me.

Did anybody catch the Pacquiao-Cotto fight last night? Ramiele killed it (meaning she did a great job LOL) singing the star spangled banner last night…ppl REALLY cheered for her. The fight was really good might I add.
I really hope she gets a record deal or something she is a great singer and she deserves the chance.

The thing about Ryan not mentioning Allison is strange – if you go to the AT40 website there are ads for Allison’s CD and single all over the place. At40 is Ryan’s show so you’d think he’d mention the artist with ads all over the site.

Update on Kradison concert voting (voting ends 12/18):

NYC
LR
LA
Chicago
Boston
Atlanta
Philly
Dallas
Seattle
San Diego

2012 has already made $225 million worldwide. These are Fri & Sat totals.

John Mayer and Norah Jones I expect to be the big winners.

I agree. Although, I will admit that Norah Jones seems to have been “off the grid” for quite awhile now. Wonder if sales will suffer as a result?

This year’s release schedules (particularly those for Kris’ and Adam’s weeks) seem really packed. Is it always like this? I didn’t remember Archie’s and Cook’s looking so difficult last year. Maybe it’s perspective.

ETA: No offense to Kris or his (state) kin, but imo, Little Rock would be a seriously ridiculous (not in a good way) place for that concert. Not that I’m a fan of the concert itself anyway, but I really believe Ark is not the place for it, particularly if the goal is to be broad promotion for them (outside of the AI stigma.) And, no this is not regional prejudice speaking, as I reside in that region. I just do not believe that would be optimal (or even advisable tbh.) Mileage…

http://msaagency.com/pr/msa/adam-lambert-jamie-king.aspx

Since McDonald Selznick Associates (MSA) released the above-linked news blurb on their website discussing the fact that Jamie King will be working with Adam, I’m guessing this information has moved a notch above the “rumor” level.

Here is a little clip of Jamie and Mel B. talking about Jamie’s involvement with the Spice Girls’ tour. They were both judges on a Bravo reality dance show and towards the end of the clip they start discussing the dancers on the show. The beginning part, however, gives you some insight as to what Jamie will bring to the table. I had to smile when Mel B. talks about Jamie being the one to tell them their “shoes are too high” or their “hair’s too big.” He may be just the guy to tell Adam “no f#$*ing flames shooting out of your head, dude.”

http://www.hulu.com/watch/16321/step-it-up-and-dance-jamie-king-and-mel-b

Since McDonald Selznick Associates (MSA) released the above-linked news blurb on their website discussing the fact that Jamie King will be working with Adam, I’m guessing this information has moved a notch above the ‘rumor’  level.

This is day old news. I updated my post yesterday:

http://mjsbigblog.com/adam-lambert-out-100-cover-and-interview-plus-tour-rumors.htm

2012 has already made $225 million worldwide. These are Fri & Sat totals.

I always thought the movie would do well outside of the U.S. Action movies always do. People who don’t speak English can “enjoy” them as much as those who do *and* there are not many cultural or social barriers to explosions, violence, landslides, volcano eruptions and tidal waves. Everyone gets those things, unlike movies like When Harry Met Sally or The Informant, or “name your favorite movie with some actual interesting dialogue” where understanding of the culture as well as the language is really important.

X Factor boss Simon Cowell has become hooked on Angel Delight as he struggles to cope with the backlash over Jedward.

He was so rattled by the row over the twins that he’s started comfort eating his favourite childhood pudding, according to best pal Sinitta.

Gross, Simon, that stuff is nasty. I wonder if he really is feeling the backlash if this will make him less prone to meddling in AI9.

I can’t view that video, LaurelG, in the states only…

iTunes chart for Album

FYE DELUXE #37 overall; #9 – pop

LLWD#71 – overall; #15 – pop

Our local paper ran the Ann Powers’ Adam story on the front page of the entertainment section – right under a huge article about 2012 and disaster films.

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Update on Kradison concert voting (voting ends 12/18):

NYC
LR
LA
Chicago
Boston
Atlanta
Philly
Dallas
Seattle
San Diego

Isn’t San Diego Adam’s hometown? I mean, I know it is a large city and it would be hard to really get the community support like a smaller town like Little Rock, but behind all those cities? Show some hometown pride for him lol!

No offense to Kris or his (state) kin, but imo, Little Rock would be a seriously ridiculous (not in a good way) place for that concert. Not that I’m a fan of the concert itself anyway, but I really believe Ark is not the place for it, particularly if the goal is to be broad promotion for them (outside of the AI stigma.) And, no this is not regional prejudice speaking, as I reside in that region. I just do not believe that would be optimal (or even advisable tbh.) Mileage’ ¦

Do you have a link for the voting?

How can Little Rock even remotely beat out NYC and LA given their population? Even the entire state of Arkansas doesn’t have as many people as the city of LA.

This is day old news. I updated my post yesterday

Oops. Sorry, I think I spent most of my time yesterday in the headlines thread and I missed this update.

Live Adam gets people talking, and actually being in the venue to hear him live is what will get people talking even more.

Of course I caught the Pacquiao fight, I’m half-Filipino. I didn’t watch the first two rounds or anything before that because I was scared of Cotto so I missed Ramiele. Dammit! Not a good way to have a relationship with my future second girlfriend after Allison accidentally dedicates Friday I’ll Be Over U to our strained relationship .

Kradison voting website:

http://eventful.com/performers/adam-kris-allison-/P0-001-000216224-2/competitions

This year’s release schedules (particularly those for Kris’ and Adam’s weeks) seem really packed. Is it always like this? I didn’t remember Archie’s and Cook’s looking so difficult last year.

Hm, let’s consider the pack that The Davids dropped against last year. Archie’s album dropped with Taylor Swift and T-Pain. And David Cook’s album dropped against Beyonce and Nickelback. Yeah, lightweights for sure.

How can Little Rock even remotely beat out NYC and LA given their population? Even the entire state of Arkansas doesn’t have as many people as the city of LA.

Hardly anyone is voting.

I listened to Ramiele sing the National Anthem. I thought she did a very nice job. It wasn’t perfect, but it didn’t need to be. I was very happy (and no part Filipino for me but I will always have a soft spot for her) that she didn’t try to break into vocal Olympics. That always ruins the song for me. I just never view that song as a chance for people to show us everything (and more on occasion) that they can bring.

On a different subject, I would think that if L.A. or New York want that concert more than Little Rock, they will vote accordingly. It’s as simple as that as far as I see it.

Well, SashaB, thank you. As I said, “I didn’t remember…” And, apparently, I was right, I really didn’t remember!

Sorry to have offended you. I’ve never really watched these things too closely (or at all) until last year, and apparently I didn’t watch it all that closely even then. Glad you’re on the ball though! LOL

But I will distinguish Archie dropping with Swift and T-Pain, as really not facing any genre competition. Cook either, I guess, except for that Nickelback crap that I hate to even have (my guy) Cook loosely associated with. I guess it’s all in the perspective. Lady GaGa during Adam’s week is a bit much for me… particularly when I’ll be buying both. Ha!

How can Little Rock even remotely beat out NYC and LA given their population? Even the entire state of Arkansas doesn’t have as many people as the city of LA.

Seems people are tired of voting…

ok I’m busy as shhit today dso I’ll make this fast

7 DAYS UNTIL FYE!!!

yesterday I was reading wash.post magazine and an article was titled American idol.lol.it was about Thomas Jefferson though.the article mentions the high school I want to go to. this is like the 3rd week in a row I found a vague AI/Adam connection.lol maybe the new editor is a glqmbert? lol

So now we know two members of Mr. Lambert’s band: guitar player and keyboard/band leader. Interesting choices. I can’t recall any other Idol putting togther a band with such metal rock players.

Hardly anyone is voting.

What are the hard numbers?

Isn’t San Diego Adam’s hometown? I mean, I know it is a large city and it would be hard to really get the community support like a smaller town like Little Rock, but behind all those cities? Show some hometown pride for him lol!

I was at the San Diego concert and they had HUGE hometown pride for Adam, even though he hasn’t lived there in eight years. I would imagine they’re not too worried because they know that he will be playing in multiple Southern California venues soon enough. Also, the voting takes your zip code (unless they changed something from the first day), so all the suburbs are logged in as separate cities.

How can Little Rock even remotely beat out NYC and LA given their population? Even the entire state of Arkansas doesn’t have as many people as the city of LA.

LOL there’s a difference between the total number of people and the total number of INTERESTED people.

2012 has already made $225 million worldwide. These are Fri & Sat totals.

I always thought the movie would do well outside of the U.S. Action movies always do. People who don’t speak English can ‘enjoy’  them as much as those who do *and* there are not many cultural or social barriers to explosions, violence, landslides, volcano eruptions and tidal waves. Everyone gets those things, unlike movies like When Harry Met Sally or The Informant, or ‘name your favorite movie with some actual interesting dialogue’  where understanding of the culture as well as the language is really important.

A friend of mine went with seven of his friends (they are in their 20s and 30s). He said they all loved the visuals. He said he wouldn’t mind seeing the movie again just for the visuals. I asked if they sat through the credits. He said they heard TFM half-way through and left, altho he did say there were people who were still sitting. He also said the song started playing immediately when the movie was over.

I’ll be going next week when everyone else is at the Twilight movies, and I will be sitting throught about five min. of credits.

2012 has already made $225 million worldwide. These are Fri & Sat totals.

And yesterday a lot of people were saying the movie was going to be a flop. lol

Thats a great opening weekend!

Many of the Lambert fans want absolutely nothing to do with this concert. For some fans, Kradam should have ended right after the KISS medley.

This is supposed to be the winner’s promotion so the best thing is for the winner’s home town to win the contest. Let the concert go where it will be most appreciated.

steph, thanks for posting that livestream link. I am not usually up and around this early on a Sunday morning but happened to see this, and got to see Danny sing. As far as I know, this is the first time he has sung ‘It’s Only’  live, it was cool to get to see that!

JosieX, as far as I know, this was the first time Danny has sung his single live for a public audience. Nice that he could do it in front of an audience that knows him and would appreciate the message of the song.
Probably a big audience, also, that is a very large church. The pastor has some ~8000 twitter followers, I think.

so all the suburbs are logged in as separate cities.

The way I read the rules (and yeah, I did) was that if you’re within 50 miles of a big city, you will count for that city. So me being in a suburb of Chicago would count me for Chicago. However, me being in a suburb of Chicago, if I put down New York, it would still count Chicago. Now I don’t know if I could go find a zip code and lie about it. I honestly only voted once before seeing the hoops they wanted us to jump through and decided I really don’t care if I see them or not.

There’s a holiday global pay-per-view cable Christmas show with former American Idols’ on Dec 5. Also featuring original songs, the two-hour concert will be shown live from the Lincoln Theater in Los Angeles and made available worldwide via cable pay-per-view for $5.99 (if ordered in November, $7.99 in December).

Called “American Christmas Live,” it’s described as “a chance to spend a magical evening with 12 ‘American Idol’ finalists as they perform holiday songs.”

Alexis Stone Lopez, Brandon Rogers, Chekezie, Haley Scarnato, Lindsey Cardinale, Nikki McKibben, RJ Helton, Sundance, Trenyce, Jasmine Trias and Nikko Smith are listed as performing.

It’s in an article that spells Kris’s name wrong, but cool for the Idols!!!

http://nwitimes.com/entertainment/columnists/offbeat/article_e57c10f5-6923-5e17-b77c-abf7e595b37b.html

Hm, let’s consider the pack that The Davids dropped against last year. Archie’s album dropped with Taylor Swift and T-Pain. And David Cook’s album dropped against Beyonce and Nickelback. Yeah, lightweights for sure.

Il Divo also dropped along with Beyonce/Nickelback and I remember there were big expectations for them. I think they ended up debuting at #5. But yeah November, especially as you get later towards the end of the month is always nuts. IIRC Daughtry had to compete with Snoop Dog and Jay-Z.

POP:
38 37 KRIS ALLEN Live Like We’re Dying 1048 1032 16 5.891
+13 Spins
-4 Bullet
+0.160 AI

good update

71 68 ADAM LAMBERT For Your Entertainment 183 121 62 0.613
+2 Spins
-18 Bullet
-0.013 AI

OHP spins would definitely help. But …

The Philippine Star site is a portal for different Philippine newspapers and they’re on the Glee bandwagon:

http://www.philstar.com/Article.aspx?articleId=522850&publicationSubCategoryId=84

The Adam=Glee rumor is included too:

After Kristin Chenoweth’s guesting on Glee, rumors over future guest appearances are already floating around in cyberspace. Adam Lambert from American Idol and Madonna are only some of the names supposedly set to appear on the show.

How can Little Rock even remotely beat out NYC and LA given their population? Even the entire state of Arkansas doesn’t have as many people as the city of LA.

How many zip codes in LR as opposed to LA or NYC?

How many zip codes in LR as opposed to LA or NYC?

Not sure about that, but I believe the contest is set up so that the zip code entered has to be within 50 miles of the metro area chosen. If you vote for a city, you will see a message that says “you and XXX others have demanded a concert for CITY. I voted for my city, and the XXX others was about 150. To see how far out of contention we were, I voted for LR and the number was 1440-ish. I haven’t tried NY yet to see how close they are.

ETA: I just tried NY and it said ‘You and 1475 others have demanded…’ Very close!

You have to give your email address when you vote. I tried voting twice for my city using the same email address and the XXX number of other people did not change. I think it is one vote per email address per city.

For some reason, Adam’s FYE is really moving up in Japan’s Amazon pre-order.

Ranking from cmc25′s post 2 1/2 hour ago:
11/14/09 – morning #136
11/14/09 – evening #111
11/15/09 – 2 1/2 hours ago #91
11/15/09 – current #78

Maybe 2012 effect??

The Conan appearance, the video premiere on VH-1, and airplay have all combined to move LLWD from #89 on iTunes Friday evening to #56 now. It’s moved up from #59 just two hours ago.

I’m looking forward to seeing what the AMA performance does to FYE sales.

Fwiw I saw 2012 last night and it was fun! Didn’t even seem overly long to me. 2 plus hours of staring at john cusack is worth the price of admission imo. Adam sounded great in the theater. Of course everyone left as soon as credits started rolling except for me (my husband abandoned ship and said he’d wait for me in lobby – he thought I was nuts) and another group of women. So if you were at the 7:30 kips bay show I saw you there listening!

Someone asked for real time numbers for the “Rock My Town” concert contest. At this moment, NYC has 1475; Little Rock has 1447; Los Angeles has 769. Those are the top three cities so far. You can change your location if you don’t live in one of the major cities (I voted in Little Rock metro area) so you aren’t tied to your zip code for a dinky town like I live in that wouldn’t stand a chance. I could, however, go to Little Rock. So, go vote if you want them to come to an area you are willing to travel to! There’s even an option for worldwide. I haven’t tried that since I won’t be traveling outside the country for it, but maybe some of you might.

Eileen99
11/15/2009 at 2:01 pm

I’m looking forward to seeing what the AMA performance does to FYE sales.

It should push FYE in Top 10 of Itunes at least. New song from new artist.

It should push FYE in Top 10 of Itunes at least. New song from new artist.

Good to know!

Eileen99
11/15/2009 at 2:01 pm
The Conan appearance, the video premiere on VH-1, and airplay have all combined to move LLWD from #89 on iTunes Friday evening to #56 now. It’s moved up from #59 just two hours ago.

Has it had any effect on album sales yet??

He seems about the same place on Amazon presales, but I don’t know what his numbers were on Itunes.

just FYI, today marks 50 days of Adam being in the top 100 albums on Amazon. And not released yet…

I am hearing rumors that Zak Baird is the keyboard/synth player in Adams band. He has apparently played with Korn.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zac_Baird

Reminder:

Please don’t bait or pick on fellow posters. Deleting posts that flame the fanwars, now…

just FYI, today marks 50 days of Adam being in the top 100 albums on Amazon. And not released yet’ ¦

I think he has been in the top 10 most of those days. There were a few where he slipped to 11 or 12 for about 24 hours. I think. I could be wrong but I know he never dropped out of top 20.

I find this video on twitter : Today at the Alexandria Hotel

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bFYK2kR22o4

lizziegs
11/15/2009 at 2:17 pm
just FYI, today marks 50 days of Adam being in the top 100 albums on Amazon. And not released yet’ ¦

I know it’s a small market share, but what’s also cool is that he’s been in the top ten for 47 out of those 50 days. Not too shabby. What’s sad is that Take One is also in the Top 100 now at #96. It’s only 22 places behind Allison’s album.

There are two tweeters at Adam’s shoot today. One managed to get inside. Don’t know how I feel about this (sneaking in) but you can decide for yourself:

The set design is destroyed ballroom. looking for wardrobe.

Ran upstairs when security was distracted by extra wearing nothing but bondage. Adam on in 30 min

lovingadam
11/15/2009 at 2:23 pm
I find this video on twitter : Today at the Alexandria Hotel

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bFYK2kR22o4

She shouldn’t just feel like a stalker, she is..lol.

alaadam – you are right. It briefly dropped to number 15 but shot back to number 8 on the day of the album cover release (LOL). Hasn’t been out of the top 10 since!

Interesting article about Ellen in The N.Y. Times:

A Sapphic Victory, but Pyrrhic

There at least ten youtubes of Master Plan. They’re even allowing free downloads from youtube. Is that legal?

I was at the San Diego concert and they had HUGE hometown pride for Adam, even though he hasn’t lived there in eight years. I would imagine they’re not too worried because they know that he will be playing in multiple Southern California venues soon enough. Also, the voting takes your zip code (unless they changed something from the first day), so all the suburbs are logged in as separate cities.

This is exactly what happened to me. I live in a suburb outside of DC. There are no such thing as concerts in my town, but I only live 15-20 from DC. I’ve always thought of myself as living in the DC metro region rather than in specific town since we are unincorporated. I threw my vote into NY.

You know, I have been thinking about all our hand wringing over airplay. It just occurred to me that I have not heard John Mayer, leona Lewis on my local stations. So maybe the spin/add info for our AI people is not that strange. I was really surprised that I had not heard John Mayer yet. Kris may out sell him.

“Has it had any effect on album sales yet??”

I am not really watching those numbers that closely right now, so maybe someone else knows. The iTunes pass has been on sale forever, so to me, the pre-sale stuff isn’t that interesting until the album drops. There was not the usual pent-up demand for Kris’ album, since people have been able to order it (in the form of the iTunes pass) all along, so I don’t find that all too intriguing.

The singles sales, though, and presumptive correlation to the promo activities and adds/spins/airplay does float my boat, on the other hand.

There at least ten youtubes of Master Plan. They’re even allowing free downloads from youtube. Is that legal?

They just haven’t gotten around to a sweep yet. FYE vids were up for about a week.

sidewalkstory
11/15/2009 at 2:24 pm
There are two tweeters at Adam’s shoot today. One managed to get inside. Don’t know how I feel about this (sneaking in) but you can decide for yourself:

The set design is destroyed ballroom. looking for wardrobe.

Ran upstairs when security was distracted by extra wearing nothing but bondage. Adam on in 30 min

It is scary to me how far some fans will go. It’s also scary how lax security is for these things. I looked at the twitter of the person reporting, it’s not like she some young girl out for an adventure. Also, from her twitter profile picture, she must also try to befriend his friends?? She’s pictured with Cassidy. Too much.

FYE playing. Super spiky hair, modern black edgy clothes boots.

And honestly, CindyM, batshit crazy people know no age. Don’t even fool yourself

It is scary to me how far some fans will go. It’s also scary how lax security is for these things. I looked at the twitter of the person reporting, it’s not like she some young girl out for an adventure.

I had a fit on twitter the other day when the screenwriter announced the location. The fans will always be nuts but the screenwriter violated the trust of his/her professional capacity by disclosing the details and location.

I live in suburbs of San Diego, different zip code from San Diego, and pretty close to Adam’s home town. It takes 30min to downtown San Diego, 1.5h to LA. San Diego metropolitan area is not densely populated and it is spread out in very large area. Probably I should have voted for LA if I wanted to make my vote count. Maybe Southern California is splitting votes

I am hearing rumors that Zak Baird is the keyboard/synth player in Adams band. He has apparently played with Korn.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zac_Baird

Live synth player — hot out the box. Looks like this is real. And looks like Adam is putting together one great band.

I think he has been in the top 10 most of those days. There were a few where he slipped to 11 or 12 for about 24 hours. I think. I could be wrong but I know he never dropped out of top 20.

Since Adam hit #1 on Amazon on the first day, the lowest the album has been is #15 with one exception [#15 for 1 hour, #14 for 2 hours #11 & #12 for less than 48 hours]. For 1 hour, after the iTunes Deluxe album was put on preorder, The exception: FYE CD dropped to #25 for 1 hour, but then returned to #8. My guess is this was the effect of some order cancelations from people who decided to by the iTunes Deluxe instead.

sidewalkstory
11/15/2009 at 2:36 pm
It is scary to me how far some fans will go. It’s also scary how lax security is for these things. I looked at the twitter of the person reporting, it’s not like she some young girl out for an adventure.

I had a fit on twitter the other day when the screenwriter announced the location. The fans will always be nuts but the screenwriter violated the trust of his/her professional capacity by disclosing the details and location.

Yup, it’s the same thing that happened with his Warwick Saint photo shoot. That guy’s reputation certainly took a big hit. Adam certainly attracts interest in everything he does, doesn’t he? I would actually love for someone to tweet that person working on the video to tell them there is a fan/stalker/spy in their midst.

Adam Lambert on Israeli TV (full interview) – hope it is new. Hilarious and gentlemen Adam this time !

Person to follow on twitter re: FYE video shoot

cazana78

# FYE playing. Super spiky hair, modern black edgy clothes boots. 9 minutes ago from mobile web

# Adam is about to film in womens bathroom decorated w/ lawnchairs, sand, plants. 12 minutes ago from mobile web

# Ran upstairs when security was distracted by extra wearing nothing but bondage. Adam on in 30 min 22 minutes ago from mobile web

# The set design is destroyed ballroom. looking for wardrobe. 30 minutes ago from mobile web

Has it had any effect on album sales yet??

I haven’t been paying that much attention to the album sales the last few days, but I do know Kris’ CD was #98ish on iTunes’ albums list on Friday afternoon or so but now it’s #71.

Allison is performing at the KIIS.FM Jingle Jam in LA on December 5!!

http://www.allisoniraheta.com/us/events

I know of several people who were going to go downtown to try and stalk the video shoot. It is scary that this one chick was able to get inside so easily. I’m surprised no one has seen her and thrown her out, but there’s likely a bunch of people milling around so if she can look like she’s actually busy, she might be able to blend in among the crew

Jae
11/15/2009 at 2:29 pm

You know, I have been thinking about all our hand wringing over airplay. It just occurred to me that I have not heard John Mayer, leona Lewis on my local stations. So maybe the spin/add info for our AI people is not that strange. I was really surprised that I had not heard John Mayer yet. Kris may out sell him.

are you listening to your local AAA or HAC station? he’s already hit #1 on AAA and is inside the Top 20 on HAC. his songs don’t usually blow up on CHR.

but leona lewis’ new single is woefully underperforming indeed. jive needs to release a new single stat.

kris may be able to outsell leona since her buzz is much more muted this time around, but i don’t think he has a chance against mayer or norah. but all have to watch out for that justin bieber kid lol.

I may have to try and get tix for that KIIS Jingle Jam.

Yup, it’s the same thing that happened with his Warwick Saint photo shoot. That guy’s reputation certainly took a big hit.

I unfollwed him immediately but others still seem to think it’s cool to tweet with him.

Person to follow on twitter re: FYE video shoot

girlygirl, I posted all those tweets right on this same page. I originally posted the name of the tweeter but took it out as I’m not sure how I feel about the stalking. I love the leak but think sneaking on the floor is a bit much.

It sounds like all wild Adam’s fantasies are going to be in FYE video.

I am hearing rumors that Zak Baird is the keyboard/synth player in Adams band. He has apparently played with Korn.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zac_Baird

Live synth player ‘” hot out the box. Looks like this is real. And looks like Adam is putting together one great band.

So, we know the drummer, lead guitarist, keyboarder. We are missing a bassist and probably a rhythm guitarist. Adam is going to have one kickass band. They are certainly giving Adam whatever (whomever) he wants. His tour is going to be one wild ride. So much to look forward to when it comes to Mr. Lambert.

Do we know the drummers name? I thought we only knew he was an aquarius (and cool)?

I watched 2012 too…nice movie, a Titanic 2.0. I got misty-eyed (shallow, huh?) at certain scenes. People applauded a couple of times…not bad for a “flop” movie. We stayed UNTIL THE VERY END together with 8 others. I’m beyond shy to sing along with Adam…and so was my backup singer, a few seats behind us. (Don’t care if the cleaning crew was there.) I don’t expect a big jump on TFM sales after that. Nobody will know it’s Adam singing without his gorgeous face on screen.

I had a fit on twitter the other day when the screenwriter announced the location. The fans will always be nuts but the screenwriter violated the trust of his/her professional capacity by disclosing the details and location.

I kinda feel like I should defend this guy, because I totally understand what he was thinking.

I can’t emphasize this enough, people in the industry have no idea about fandom. At all. The few fanboys/ girls and geeks there are out here are so busy trying to hide it from the non-fanboys/ girls that they wouldn’t dare say anything to those who don’t understand.

To most of the industry there are normal fans, dangerous stalkers, those weirdos who’ll wait in line for a long time for something, and Wil Wheaton. That’s pretty much as deep as it gets. Anyone who falls outside of one of those groups doesn’t exist.

He just thinks he’s throwing out something for the normal fans to wonder about, and the line waiters and the Wil Wheatons to research and fawn over. These people don’t quite fit the dangerous stalker profile, so they might as well be unicorns. He can’t really comprehend their existence.

Once you’ve been around enough performers and celebs you become numb to it. Why the heck would someone want to follow around another insecure kid who’s never even released and album? Damn reality TV taking away our jobs….and so forth.

” Has it had any effect on album sales yet?”

Yes it has. The album pre-order went out of the top100 late afternoon on Friday and came back up. At the moment, it’s :

#71 Overall
#16 Pop

But I don’t think it’s going to come up any longer since the album drops in two days. People will like to pick it up at the stores instead of ordering it which makes sense.

They haven’t thrown her out yet

# Fugly striped lawnchair, cherub pedestal, champagne, buddhist statue. Artsy! 4 minutes ago from mobile web

# No bail $$ guys. vid shoot just long and boring. we’re ok, we’re quiet as angels. half a minute ago from mobile web

http://www.buy.com/prod/for-your-entertainment/q/loc/109/212705380.html

Has anyone ever seen this site? Adam is at #75-Kris and Allison are at #25,000.

I guess I should be glad that Adam inspires this kind of passion from some people. Those people buy albums too. I just find it weird. Especially when I saw her twitter profile picture with her arms around Cassidy Haley. Seems a little too much to me to sneak into a video location site and hiding. Weird.

He just thinks he’s throwing out something for the normal fans to wonder about, and the line waiters and the Wil Wheatons to research and fawn over. These people don’t quite fit the dangerous stalker profile, so they might as well be unicorns. He can’t really comprehend their existence.

If he/she was so in the dark they wouldn’t be on Twitter.

I can’t emphasize this enough, people in the industry have no idea about fandom.

And this is why contracts are as thick as books. People have no common sense and need everything spelled out for them.

I watched 2012 too’ ¦nice movie, a Titanic 2.0. I got misty-eyed (shallow, huh?) at certain scenes. People applauded a couple of times’ ¦not bad for a ‘flop’  movie. We stayed UNTIL THE VERY END together with 8 others. I’m beyond shy to sing along with Adam’ ¦and so was my backup singer, a few seats behind us. (Don’t care if the cleaning crew was there.) I don’t expect a big jump on TFM sales after that. Nobody will know it’s Adam singing without his gorgeous face on screen.

Just from what I’m hearing, the majority of the people are leaving after the movie, so they may hear a couple of minutes of TfM. So, I agree with you, I don’t expect much movement in sales. I don’t think that was Sony’s intent anyway. However, this does not negate the opportunity Adam had in making this soundtrack for a hugely successful movie, nor the future opportunities ahead for Adam.

Allison is performing at the KIIS.FM Jingle Jam in LA on December 5!!

http://www.allisoniraheta.com/us/events

Yay! I just wish the rest of the line-up was more interesting.

More tweets!

#ooo. Nearly naked male extras greased and gorgeous! Ungh!

#Bondage girl, Studded leather, Hot!

I assume John Mayer will outsell Kris, especially the 1st week. Mainly because, well, he’s John Mayer — he has an established track record and a strong fanbase. But it’s interesting — at this moment, Mayer’s current single (Who Says) and Kris’ single are side-by-side on the iTunes chart (Mayer at #53, Kris at #54) (Leona Lewis’ current single, “Happy”, is at #34). Mayer and Kris are also side-by-side on Mediabase’s Live Hot AC chart, with Mayer at #21 and Kris at #22 (Kris is still increasing in spins, while Mayer is decreasing). Kris is WAY ahead of Mayer on the current Top 40 radio chart though — at #38, compared to Mayer at #65. Where Mayer has the biggest advantage on the charts is in the AAA market, where LLWD isn’t even being played.

Mayer’s album Battle Studies is currently #13 overall on iTunes. Is that the album that is dropping this week — or an older one? But while Kris’ album is #16 on the iTunes pop charts, Mayer’s isn’t in the top 25. Maybe they don’t list it as a pop album???

PS – Susan Boyle is well behind both Adam (#10) and Kris (#16) on the iTunes pop album chart. She’s #24

If he/she was so in the dark they wouldn’t be on Twitter.

I can’t emphasize this enough, people in the industry have no idea about fandom.

And this is why contracts are as thick as books. People have no common sense and need everything spelled out for them.

They are on Twitter for the same reason everyone in the entertainment industry is. It fuels the little tiny narcissist in the back of his psyche, and makes him feel in touch with what’s “cool” and “hip” right now. How else is he going to satisfy his ego if not with that RT from Ashton Kutcher?

Contracts aren’t what you think they are. I think fans are used to coming into contact with the areas of the industry that are populated with the Wil Wheatons of the world…genre TV and film. Not every show is run like the X- files, and not every film or video shoot is treated like the next Batman.

Money and ego trumps all in this world, and the industry is just now coming around to dealing with how to curb spoilers and fights on social networking sites while not hurting the bottom line or hurting the people who make that bottom line.

erinnthered
11/15/2009 at 3:13 pm

Allison is performing at the KIIS.FM Jingle Jam in LA on December 5!!

http://www.allisoniraheta.com/us/events

Yay! I just wish the rest of the line-up was more interesting.

Who’s the rest of the lineup? I clicked on her link and it only showed her…nobody else. I saw she was playing with Uncle Kracker at another venue but for this venue, it only showed her. Not that I’m really caring all that much, just actually am wondering who you find uninteresting.

Mayer’s album Battle Studies is currently #13 overall on iTunes. Is that the album that is dropping this week ‘” or an older one?

It’s the deluxe version of his album that’s dropping this week – #12. His regular version is at #39.

I set up a separate post for the Adam shoot

ITA on the KIIS Jingle lineup – looks like all kinds of meh to me.

The Z100 one, on the other hand, looks awesome to me. No wonder it’s sold out at MSG.

CindyM

Thanks!

For comparison then, Kris’ album is #72 on the iTunes overall chart (Adam is at #41)

How in the world can Kris outsell John Mayer? I rather see Kris milking from Mayer and hopefully the Bieber kid. Kris certainly will get some of their fans buying his music.
He appeals to both demographics. But I don’t see anything negative for Kris releasing on the same day with them though they might both outsell him.

CindyM

Thanks!

For comparison then, Kris’ album is #72 on the iTunes overall chart (Adam is at #41)

Glad to see Kris is getting that boost. Hopefully Adam can get one after the AMAs too.

Would the iTunes pass count in with presale numbers on iTunes? I’m assuming they didn’t since the album is at #72 on the overall chart. When and where will those #s show up?

Nice article about Melinda Doolittle playing Feinstein’s. It was in my paper today, so if it’s old news sorry it was news to me.

http://www.newsday.com/entertainment/music/idol-contender-melinda-doolittle-plays-feinstein-s-1.1583562

I’m pretty sure iTunes classifies John Mayer as rock, I know they have in the past. When looking at iTunes though the overall chart is more important. IMO John is like Norah Jones and Josh Groban, he doesn’t need huge airplay to generate big sales.

Ok, got to head out and do some RL things. By the time I get back, hopefully we’ll have some pics from Adam’s video shoot!

One last check of the iTunes chart before I go.

LLWD continues to move up — it is at #51 overall now (#25 pop)
FYE is holding steady at #77 overall
FIBOU is unfortunately way down the list at #570 overall

erinnthered
11/15/2009 at 3:32 pm

Glad to see Kris is getting that boost. Hopefully Adam can get one after the AMAs too

Yep, they both have a lot of events scheduled in the next few weeks. Should boost both of them.

but leona lewis’ new single is woefully underperforming indeed. jive needs to release a new single stat.

Well, Jive could try to do that, but I think her record label might object.

Leona Lewis is on the J Records label (same label that signed Fantasia and Ruben) and is part of the RCA Music Group. Jive is part of the Zomba Label Group.

Wow, looking at the itunes pop charts, David Cook’s album is still charting at #68. Allison’s album is only 7 places above his. Hers is only a presale though, maybe that accounts for the difference.

Looks like us naysayers have been disproved. If THR says it, it must be true.

2012 Explodes at Box Office

According to Box Office Mojo, 2012 had a $19,000 per screen average. Not bad. Still don’t think it will make much of a profit, but looks like it will be seen as a hit.

Money and ego trumps all in this world, and the industry is just now coming around to dealing with how to curb spoilers and fights on social networking sites while not hurting the bottom line or hurting the people who make that bottom line.

I seem to recall reading that Disney and Dreamworks have started instituting rules about Twittering for it’s people. Yes, they want to get people interested in, get some buzz going, whatever. But giving away spoilers and saying things counter to what the studios want, not of goodness.

And then there is the whole thing where false information and rumors start with people claiming to be in the know, claiming to have seen shoots, information, whatever.

So all this Twitter from the shoot? Could be real, could be fake. There is a reason they say pics or didn’t happen. I remember during the tour, someone decided to prank ontd_ai be telling them exactly what they wanted to hear regarding Kradam. On the other hand there was that teenageer who Tweeted about Adam’s TfM MV shoot, and despite some…interesting language choices, was telling the truth. Though the moostach and “little dots of hair,” was funny. Which she later said was a 5 o’clock shadow.

So my stance remains, Twitter is mostly the devil. Helpful for cyberstalking and information, also annoying and a source of mis-information.

LLWD continues to move up ‘” it is at #51 overall now (#25 pop)

Excellent news for LLWD. Good to see that a MV, an national appearance and continued heavy radio play, can make a difference. Yes!

I’m ignoring the crappy numbers of FYE, because they annoy me.

Mayer’s album Battle Studies is currently #13 overall on iTunes. Is that the album that is dropping this week ‘” or an older one? But while Kris’ album is #16 on the iTunes pop charts, Mayer’s isn’t in the top 25. Maybe they don’t list it as a pop album???

FYI-Mayer is listed under Rock on iTunes.

ETA: I see Trina beat me to it. However, they had a banner for JM on pop the week Kris’s album went up for presale. I guess they knew people would be looking for it under pop as well.

I’m ignoring the crappy numbers of FYE, because they annoy me.

I see we have the same strategy for dealing with undesirable news … in my case, it’s Kris gloom and doom

Directed by Roland Emmerich (“Independence Day”), the effects-filled actioner cost $200 million to produce. But with a $225 million worldwide haul from simultaneous openings in 105 foreign territories, the more than 2 1/2-hour tentpole delivered a planetary payout on that investment at the high end of pre-release projections.

So that’s just for Friday and Saturday, Sunday not included??

Not bad at all

I seem to recall reading that Disney and Dreamworks have started instituting rules about Twittering for it’s people. Yes, they want to get people interested in, get some buzz going, whatever. But giving away spoilers and saying things counter to what the studios want, not of goodness.

These are human beings, not machines. I think you may expect too much from an industry populated with the horribly insecure and desperately needy.

Most don’t expect the Disney decree to last long, but then again, Disney has a horrible reputation anyway. It’s a constant battle, and one that won’t end soon.

The point is, the guy wasn’t muzzled in the way you think he was, and he didn’t understand the kind of people he was dealing with. Most people – fans included – don’t think anything of spilling a location. What, they have a few people hovering and watching the craft services truck? He didn’t leak the drawings for the costumes, or the end of next week’s Fringe. It’s no big deal. They could not have anticipated the crazy. Cut him a break.

ETA: I love Twitter. Never liked Facebook, and MySpace was okay, but I love Twitter. It’s the conversational aspect, and the challenge that the 140 character limit creates.

So that’s just for Friday and Saturday, Sunday not included??

Not bad at all

Weekend BO is estimated for Sunday based upon Friday and Saturday, so that’s the expected haul including Sunday. The actual haul will be corrected sometime during the week.

“Excellent news for LLWD. Good to see that a MV, an national appearance and continued heavy radio play, can make a difference. Yes!”

I totally agree, and my faith in hard work paying off in the end has been restored. I happen to love LLWD, although not as much as some others on the album, and am glad to see the push to radio is getting some payoff now. I’m hoping the momentum continues with adds tomorrow & Tuesday.

The roll-outs of Kris and Adam couldn’t have been more diametrically opposed. RCA seems to be banking on the big bang theory of the AMA performance. I’m really intrigued to see if this appearance lights the fire under FYE and gives it a big shot of adrenaline. I really do hope it does – I’m loving this fascinating look into the marketing side of the music business.

RCA seems to be banking on the big bang theory of the AMA performance.

Not really sure they’re banking all on AMA, but I have the feeling they see the AMA performance as the starting point of their ad campaigne. We know that Adam will start doing the rounds after this appearance right? He is scheduled for Ellen, Letterman and GMA. There are probably a lot of stuff schedules that we don’t know about.

The point is, the guy wasn’t muzzled in the way you think he was, and he didn’t understand the kind of people he was dealing with. Most people ‘“ fans included ‘“ don’t think anything of spilling a location. What, they have a few people hovering and watching the craft services truck? He didn’t leak the drawings for the costumes, or the end of next week’s Fringe. It’s no big deal. They could not have anticipated the crazy. Cut him a break.

In this instance, can’t cut him a break. He gave away too detailed of information. He should have kept it generic, that he could have done and it would have been fine for Adam and fine for his conveying whatever information he felt needed to be shared. Becuae unless he’s living under a rock, and/or a moron, he should know that people have fans of all varieties. And again, unless he’s a moron or living under a rock, than he knows that American Idol is the most popular TV show in America and has been for years, so their top tier people get a lot of interest on them right after their season on the show. Granted Adam is not, contrary to what some may feel, really that big of a deal in Hollywood, still the show is a big deal and everyone knows that and knows there are crazy fans associated with it. I mean they’re not Trekker level of known crazy, but yeah, it’s a known phenom.

I just think this guy wasn’t thinking, was all. He’s human, so we all make mistakes, so that’s cool. But it was a boneheaded thing to have done and he shouldn’t have done it.

Oh and agreed about Disney.

Well, I for one, think the thread of the micheline man photo was one of the funniest I have read so I can’t really hate on this guy. Come on, it was hilarious!

The roll-outs of Kris and Adam couldn’t have been more diametrically opposed. RCA seems to be banking on the big bang theory of the AMA performance. I’m really intrigued to see if this appearance lights the fire under FYE and gives it a big shot of adrenaline. I really do hope it does ‘“ I’m loving this fascinating look into the marketing side of the music business.

It may well. Look at the songs that were performed on the CMAs on the iTunes charts. Massive boost for most of the songs there, which I’m enjoying at the moment right now (big, big Miranda Lambert fan, and she shot up from somewhere in the low 100′s to a solid 28 with White Liar).

(Edited because I’m a dork and can’t differentiate when I’m talking about singles. Gah!)

erinnthered
Still don’t think it will make much of a profit, but looks like it will be seen as a hit.

It already is a hit. $200 mil to make, $225 mil first weekend box office. The movie hasn’t even opened in every theatre in the world yet.

“…2012 was a strong prelude as Hollywood gears up for Thanksgiving, one of the busiest weekends at movie theaters.”

I think people are underestimating what Kris’s album numbers will be first week. He should debut higher than John Mayer (JM sells albums, but will he have huge numbers in the first week?) and Norah Jones (is she even on the radar at all?). People coming off Idol have huge first weeks; and big drop-offs, typically, after. Kris has had that iTunes pass available for months, and his fans will buy in the first days.

Kirsten
11/15/2009 at 3:44 pm

but leona lewis’ new single is woefully underperforming indeed. jive needs to release a new single stat.

Well, Jive could try to do that, but I think her record label might object.

Leona Lewis is on the J Records label (same label that signed Fantasia and Ruben) and is part of the RCA Music Group. Jive is part of the Zomba Label Group.

lol you’re right. i always confuse the two.

I totally agree, and my faith in hard work paying off in the end has been restored. I happen to love LLWD, although not as much as some others on the album, and am glad to see the push to radio is getting some payoff now. I’m hoping the momentum continues with adds tomorrow & Tuesday.

The roll-outs of Kris and Adam couldn’t have been more diametrically opposed. RCA seems to be banking on the big bang theory of the AMA performance. I’m really intrigued to see if this appearance lights the fire under FYE and gives it a big shot of adrenaline. I really do hope it does ‘“ I’m loving this fascinating look into the marketing side of the music business.

Well I hope that RCA’s strategy pays off, because from I can see they have nothing planned until 11/22, so they have yet another week of non-promotion, and all the promotion starts after 11/22 the day before the album drops. Very different strategy than the longer, very intenstive roll-out for LLWD, where there has been a lot for weeks on the ground, doing the radio stuff, concentrating on that. And slowly building the radio’s spins up, and then adding things like the MV first, than the national performance on Conan, a few days before the album drop. Which have resulted in increased sales for the single, days before the album is released. Which is good, as singles can help sell albums. So I think this puts the album in a good place as well.

I am well known to be less than pleased with RCA’s thus fan non-existent FYE promotion, and the resulting crappy sales singles, so I won’t go into that again. But suffice it to say, I do think RCA is taking a big gamble. And one that I think is actually unnecessary one, because I think they could have also done all the stuff with radio that has been done for Kris, for these past two weeks leading up to the AMAs and then continuing the higher proflile promotions from there to keep up momenteum. As it is, FYE the single has no momenteum at all, and yet that’s all leading to the album dropping.

As you said, we’ll see if RCA’s risky and unncessary gamble will pay off. I sure hope so.

Nice article about Melinda Doolittle playing Feinstein’s. It was in my paper today, so if it’s old news sorry it was news to me.

Thanks for the article, but it’s pointless to post anything from Newsday anymore, as you now have to buy a subscription to access their online articles.

Newsday’s move is the wave of the future for newspapers, btw, which are sick of giving their articles away for free.

saga
11/15/2009 at 4:32 pm
Well, I for one, think the thread of the micheline man photo was one of the funniest I have read so I can’t really hate on this guy. Come on, it was hilarious!

YES it was but I think “Smelly Gate” was even more hilarious.. I think its good for the soul to not take things so seriously, and as for the lady’s lets hope they had a little fun without compromising Adam’s video..

I think people are underestimating what Kris’s album numbers will be first week. He should debut higher than John Mayor (JM sells albums, but will he have huge numbers in the first week?) and Norah Jones (is she even on the radar at all?). People coming off Idol have huge first weeks; and big drop-offs, typically, after). Kris has had that iTunes pass available for months, and his fans will buy in the first days.

I do think Kris’s numbers will be higher than expected due to the ITunes Pass, but I think 50 cents will be the number 1 album. Kris may come in 2nd. 50 hasn’t left the number 1 pre-order album on Itunes since it first came available.

I think people are underestimating what Kris’s album numbers will be first week. He should debut higher than John Mayer (JM sells albums, but will he have huge numbers in the first week?) and Norah Jones (is she even on the radar at all?). People coming off Idol have huge first weeks; and big drop-offs, typically, after). Kris has had that iTunes pass available for months, and his fans will buy in the first days.

It’s possible that we’re underestimating Kris. However, Mayer is likely to move a lot of numbers in his first week, though, given his status and fanbase. He’s an established act in a time that favors established acts. And Norah could well be on the radar; she hasn’t been active in a while, but she has really broad name recognition and the kind of fanbase she has probably helps her cause more than hinders it.

iTunes update:

LLWD: #49 overall, #25 Pop
FYE: #76 overall, #32 Pop

As you said, we’ll see if RCA’s risky and unncessary gamble will pay off. I sure hope so.

somehow I’m not worried about rca’s strategy at all, but yes we will find out in a few months if it worked or not.

I do think Kris’s numbers will be higher than expected due to the ITunes Pass, but I think 50 cents will be the number 1 album. Kris may come in 2nd. 50 hasn’t left the number 1 pre-order album on Itunes since it first came available.

No, no. Isn’t that out already? I’d forgotten, but I think it’s out.

I think people are underestimating what Kris’s album numbers will be first week. He should debut higher than John Mayer (JM sells albums, but will he have huge numbers in the first week?) and Norah Jones (is she even on the radar at all?). People coming off Idol have huge first weeks; and big drop-offs, typically, after. Kris has had that iTunes pass available for months, and his fans will buy in the first days.

I agree completely. I don’t see a lot of excitement for John Mayer’s latest, and yeah, Norah Jones has really fallen off the radar. She’s no Babs where she can keep that audience without doing anything. Buble after all had his Oprah performance, and he was performing and doing a gig on X-Factor as well. Not to mention things like his Glee guest appearance. Norah Jones on the other hand…what has she done? Where is singing/promoting?

Whereas yes, Kris is coming off winning American Idol and is getting some momentum with sales and radio play and national appearances. Starting with Conan last Friday and then all the stuff this week. So yeah, I think people are undertestimating Kris.

Now Leona Lewis I think might be in trouble.

somehow I’m not worried about rca’s strategy at all, but yes we will find out in a few months if it worked or not.

More like we’ll find out in two weeks if it was.

Oh gosh, I forgot to post a link! Sorry, here you are:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=diJd-eV_UQ8

So yeah, I think people are undertestimating Kris.

People have always underestimated Kris – isn’t that the story of his time on AI and since?

Truthiness
11/15/2009 at 4:46 pm

I think people are underestimating what Kris’s album numbers will be first week. He should debut higher than John Mayer (JM sells albums, but will he have huge numbers in the first week?) and Norah Jones (is she even on the radar at all?). People coming off Idol have huge first weeks; and big drop-offs, typically, after. Kris has had that iTunes pass available for months, and his fans will buy in the first days.

I agree completely. I don’t see a lot of excitement for John Mayer’s latest, and yeah, Norah Jones has really fallen off the radar. She’s no Babs where she can keep that audience without doing anything. Buble after all had his Oprah performance, and he was performing and doing a gig on X-Factor as well. Not to mention things like his Glee guest appearance. Norah Jones on the other hand’ ¦what has she done? Where is singing/promoting?

mayer and norah both have solid, easy-listening fanbases that always buy albums. they both have alot of credibility within their demos. the hype and buzz might not be apparent, but i don’t think that means people won’t be buying their albums.

as far as promotion, norah was just on letterman and i’m sure she has a slew of promos (morning shows, etc.) coming up this week. same is probably true for john.

we’ll see.

Hardly anyone is voting.

I think NYC has about 4500 votes. Boston is 5th, but it ain’t happening for Boston. I want it to be in NYC, b/c I can go there and b/c I think it will get lots of coverage and will be a neutral site. OTOH, at that point, I don’t really care. IMO, this is more about Ryan and the advertising company than Adison (I don’t even like calling the Adison anymore).

As you said, we’ll see if RCA’s risky and unncessary gamble will pay off. I sure hope so.

I don’t see it as a gamble at all. They are concentrating on album sales right now. They’ve got a good handle on how many pre-orders are already there for the album. They know how much Adam sold during the idol season. (Probably much more than the pre-orders.) People buy CDs as presents for Christmas. The best way for them to get those CD sales maximized for the holiday season is to remind people of the Adam they saw on idol. The performer!! So they’re using the time to design and rehearse great live performances that will be seen by millions of people. Many of whom will remember him from idol and buy. And hopefully many of whom will think “how cool” and buy the CD for themselves or as a present for others.

After the holiday selling season is over with, they can concentrate on radio promos (that reach a smaller audience) and work on boosting radio play if it’s still necessary.

Kris has had that iTunes pass available for months,

I think some people are overestimating the pass. The first week it may have gone to top 10 on itunes, but it started dropping fast and it disappeared from the charts after a couple of weeks.
Maybe when we have the album’s digital numbers we may be able to estimate, but I don’t think that will change much. Regardless, I believe Itunes pre-sales may be bigger than Amazon pre-sales based on past numbers we’ve had in the past.

BTW, I don’t know if anyone is doing specific Kris promotion, but MIX 104.1, Boston’s HAC station, is doing a big promotion for John Mayer–meet the Mayer of Boston (get it? play on Mayor Menino; not funny, I know). The winner gets a trip to NYC, I think, to meet him. They are also playing his news single. I have yet to hear LLWD (they are also playing Leona Lewis), but I don’t know if they added it or not. If not, I am surprised because they hosted Kris prior to LLWD and also played Heartless a number of times (the studio recording, not the one on KA).

I think both Lewis and Mayer’s album sales will be BIG.

I didn’t know that MJ. Sorry about that.

edit: You can’t post an entire article in comments, sorry

AdoK
11/15/2009 at 4:50 pm
Oh gosh, I forgot to post a link! Sorry, here you are:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=diJd-eV_UQ8

This isn’t to you personally, but I think I hate this video a this point. The link has been posted like 6 times in two different threads. The thing isn’t viewable in the US. Not at all. People are trying to rip it now to get around it. But as it stands now, there is no way for people in the US to see that interview. Copyright laws won’t let people in the US see that video.

Kris is unpopular winner, as Jordin was. But his CD has more HAC than pop sound. It sells more. So, i would expect him to have sales of first week somewhere between Jordin’s and Cook’s. But also, in my opinion Kris’s record is much weaker than Cook’s was. It sounds very bland to me. Wall of sound.

50 hasn’t left the number 1 pre-order album on Itunes since it first came available.

Rap albums open big and 50 cent will probably win the week. But, he’s been doing something different this time around. He released digitally this week and will be releasing CDs next week. So, he will have burned through his iTunes pre-orders this week. People are watching to see how this works out for him.

Meanwhile, Norah never has a presence and always opens big. She can do 400K in the dead of January. John Mayer also always does well. He’s on the top of the AAA chart and that is a chart that can move units.. And don’t count out that Justin kid. He’s got singles all over iTunes and his album only has 7 or 8 songs on it and will be selling for $7.99 (or maybe $6.99). Total impulse buy. Especially to “complete my album” and get the last couple of songs the kids don’t have already at a discount.

It’s so hard to predict this year.

Kris is unpopular winner, as Jordin was. But his CD has more HAC than pop sound. It sells more. So, i would expect him to have sales of first week somewhere between Jordin’s and Cook’s. But also, in my opinion Kris’s record is much weaker than Cook’s was. It sounds very bland to me. Wall of sound.

Season 6 I voted for Blake because Jordin didn’t do it for me. Well since S6 I have completely turned against Blake. Not necessarily because of ADD or HOV but because of his personality. S7 I voted for Cook because he sucked me in with his voice. Season 8 I voted for Kris and while I do think his album is weaker then Cooks I still perfer both there albums to FYE. But Kris is a weaker winner IMO and YMMV.

John Mayer and OneRepublic are both categorized as Rock by iTunes. OneRepublic’s album is not available for preorder, but they have been releasing a song a week, like Carrie. The songs aren’t burning up the overall iTunes chart, but they’ve have been in the top 100 songs. They hold the #1 and 2 spots on the rock songs chart. John Mayer’s single is at #4 on rock. His preorder album is at #2 and 6 on rock, and his last studio album is at #8. OneRepublic’s first album is at #24 rock. JM’s album is at #12 and 34 on the overall album chart. He also has a slew of appearances happening surrounding his album drop, including a live concert broadcast on Tues. night. JM’s last studio album sold 300k its first week.

There is definite interest in both albums. I’ll be shocked if Kris outsells John Mayer the first week, or overall, for these albums. I’m a big fan of Kris, but he’s not the superstar yet that John Mayer already is. One Republic could go either way, I think, since 2nd albums generally seem to be hit or miss successwise for any artist, its been a year since they were in the public consciousness much, and their new single isn’t a megahit at this point. I do think that Jive’s strategy with releasing Kris’s album the same week as their’s is to capitalize on fans of JM and OneRepublic also deciding to pick up Kris’s album when they’re buying albums already. David Cook fans assume that that why he was paired with Nickelback last year, and it seemed to work. Hopefully it will give Kris a boost too.

. They are concentrating on album sales right now. They’ve got a good handle on how many pre-orders are already there for the album.

How are they concentrating on album sales? By totally not promoting the single and doing absolutely no promotion of the single or album before 11/22?

It’s not like going out and doing radio promotions and working on getting radio play the two weeks before the album drops, hurts the album. The only thing it does is raise awareness of Adam’s music, his single and his album coming up for sale soon.

So yes, maybe they have good handle on pre-orders, but there is no reason not to try and increase the album sales, by increasing awareness of the single or album. If they think they have a good base for one group. Groovy, but imagine selling more singles and possibly albums, if they promoted them both more. Because right now the spins and audience impressions for FYE are very low, so unless you’re a fan of Adam’s, you’re not going to really know he has a single out there, and so, won’t buy it. Because nothing promoting the single gets in the way of album sales, it just increases the chances of the album doing better.

There is no good reason that I’re read yet to not to promote the single before the album drops.

So yes, it’s a risky, unnecessary gamble by RCA in ignoring the single for two weeks and hoping everything after 11/22 will help the album and single sales.

I totally disagree Thruthiness but we’ve had this debate for two weeks now so I am going to let it go. I belive they know what they are doing.

nvm

How are they concentrating on album sales? By totally not promoting the single and doing absolutely no promotion of the single or album before 11/22?

Instead of having Adam spend his time doing radio rounds to boost the single, they’re concentrating on creating performances and rehearsing with a live band. These things don’t happen overnight. Adam’s big thing, is PERFORMANCE. If his performance isn’t stellar for the AMA and darn good for the other shows, he’ll lose sales. If his performance is great, they’ll pick up more CD sales. A hit single sells mostly singles to people that don’t already know the artist. Adam’s fan base is very diverse and I’d hazard that most don’t listen to Top 40 radio. The way to reach his existing fan base and the best way to interest new people in him is to do it visually because Adam is as much about his visual performance as he is about his music.

So if not expected to win against Mayer or Jones, which we’ll see in a week.

But what number is expected for Kris? 119k like Jordin’s opening? 280k like David’s? I personally do NOT expect Kris to move 280K. But is 119K a reasonable number? Or does the economy get taken into account for his numbers and he adjusted that is 100K?

I *still* want to know why we heard WYWFM last night on OHP. Is it b/c it’s the next single, it’s a substitute, they just want to drop another single before the album drops, they want to get it ready for the GMAs, or they are just testing the waters? If they are doing a video for FYE, they haven’t given up on it, and I am not in any way hand wringing, but I did expect a little bit more promotion for FYE. I have yet to hear it on our CHR or HAC stations (tho apparently it gets played occasionally–very occasionally–on KISS 108, our CHR station). I do not think a few visible radio interviews (particularly NYC, where they are playing FYE) would be a problem, honestly, BUT I AM NOT QUESTIONING THIS. Doesn’t seem as if the video will be finished before the album drops, which is kind of a bummer. Clearly, RCA is going for the album sales, NOT FYE’s sales.

I think WYWFM is a much better choice for a single. It’s certainly easier to bring to day-time TV, and you don’t need a band. I think you do for FYE. That is what is most interesting to me–where WYWFM lands in the FYE landscape.

ETA: Can you let me know what artist is playing what (e.g., is Monte the drummer? The lead guitarist?)?

Lets say 100K for both. Or 200K for both.

I *still* want to know why we heard WYWFM last night on OHP.

I think the DJ just liked it. They can play anything they want on that show.

Radio play is integral part of a record release. I do not see how you can deny it. Sooner or later RCA has to push radio play for FYE. ITA with Kirsten’s post about ways to sell CD.

I totally disagree Thruthiness but we’ve had this debate for two weeks now

haha-Ain’t it the truth!

Here’s my questions-Do you think Kris’ rollout has been that much better from Jive?

Truthiness, I’m sorry, but I really think you need to try and see this from a different perspective. They don’t see things the same way as “the rest of the world.” And yes, they use they phrase. Most of Hollywood could give two shits about some runner up from a reality tv contest, and are not and never will be “fans.” This is their career. For some, it’s nothing more than a job. They don’t think about it at home any more than you think about your job.

AI is not a “big deal” to anyone. The kinds of things that are “big deals” in the industry are the kinds of things that don’t get much of an audience, but speak to the industry. Half the people who work in TV couldn’t name the top 10 shows on the air, and those that they can name, they usually haven’t seen! They may just watch one episode or look up some random facts so they know enough to schmooze with the right person at a party.

Also, Trekkies are not seen as crazy. lol. Saying you’ve seen the OST is totally de rigueur in certain circles after the reboot. STNG though? Totally lame. It’s so stupid, but true!

Radio play is integral part of a record release. I do not see how you can deny it. Sooner or later RCA has to push radio play for FYE.

Yes. But maximizing audience impressions of a single song to an audience that is not his core fan base will only sell singles initially. Therefore, it makes sense to maximize sales of the CD for holidays and when you’ve got that all organized, start pushing the single. And if the single starts back tracking on radio plays, step in then. But slow radio growth is still growth and will be what’s needed for long term success. It doesn’t have to happen overnight. Album sales won’t take off to the non core fan base until they’ve heard and liked more than one song.

I think the DJ just liked it. They can play anything they want on that show.

But he called it the “world debut” and he played it twice. FYE got calls and did not get a spin. Just seemed a bit surprising to me. Not complaining, as I like WYWFM better and it sounded great on the radio, IMO.

Yeah I wouldn’t underestimate Norah Jones, the reviews of her 4th cd look favorable and there seems to be anticipation for it. She sang her new single on Letterman, and I saw her on some show in the last month singing with some other people but I can’t remember what it was, actually I think it was country music she was singing. Anyway I wouldn’t call it “easy listening” music, but she has a lot of fans and sells well, I wouldn’t say she’s off the radar, it just depends which wave length a person is on, there are lots of levels of radar and they often don’t cross each other.

Wiki describes her music as “an adult contemporary vocal jazz [album] with a soul/folk/country tinge” …. which about sums it up I guess, lol.
“She has sold more than 16 million albums in the US, and over 36 million records worldwide; altogether, she has sold more albums than any other female jazz artist during the 2000s.”
No slouch there, lol.
According to Billboard.com, her new album “appears to be a departure from past offerings, as she will forgo her signature jazz sound and embark on more contemporary rock.”
Her single is already available on itunes, I didn’t realize that.
(“Easy listening” music is also described on wiki.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Easy_listening)

I am not deying the importance of radio play, and I am sure RCA will do radio promo. If they think other things are more important atm, I’ll give them the benefit of the doubt. They have more info than we do.

suebrody: Q3 posted this in the last headlines thread.

Q3
11/15/2009 at 2:39 am

1. Adam’s single is FYE.

2. RCA has not released WWFM as a single and isn’t pushing it for airplay. It was picked and an played on House Party ‘” and they opten pick up album cuts on House Party.

3. The music video is FYE, AMA is FYE, FYE is the single.

4. Sony/RCA is very happy with Adam’s sales and I do know people at RCA Records.

5. Singles do not make money ‘” albums do. Adam is selling Albums ‘” that is a good thing.

6. MP and WWFM were released for immediate download on AO.com to drive album sales.

Newsday’s move is the wave of the future for newspapers, btw, which are sick of giving their articles away for free.

Didn’t some newspapers try this a few years back and fail miserably? Good luck with that.

i am in the corner that thinks Kris is being underestimated too. His Itunes pass will do VERY well. Look at what he sold for singles. He probably did that well for the pass b/c it was after the win and peeps were excited. Plus, as the tour went through the summer, more peeps got interested and bought it to get more of him. I think he could do better than Cook and way better than Jordin. In addition, he has been pushing his single for 6-7 weeks and done alot of promo. Add to that this week of promos, he will do really well. The underdog story will rise again and he will make headlines.

“I think he could do better than Cook”

Totally disagree with this.

Truthiness
11/15/2009 at 4:48 pm
somehow I’m not worried about rca’s strategy at all, but yes we will find out in a few months if it worked or not.

More like we’ll find out in two weeks if it was.

Wow, I’m sure RCA’s strategy goes beyond the next two weeks. Radio promo may be after the television appearances. As everyone keep saying for the other idols, give them some time.

I also expect Kris to do very well. The Itunes pass will have made a huge difference for those that voted for him in the finale. I expect him to sell between Jordin and Cook’s numbers. Probably closer to Jordin, because I think Cook’s fan base was much larger.

i am in the corner that thinks Kris is being underestimated too. His Itunes pass will do VERY well. Look at what he sold for singles. He probably did that well for the pass b/c it was after the win and peeps were excited. Plus, as the tour went through the summer, more peeps got interested and bought it to get more of him. I think he could do better than Cook and way better than Jordin. In addition, he has been pushing his single for 6-7 weeks and done alot of promo. Add to that this week of promos, he will do really well. The underdog story will rise again and he will make headlines.

That would be a Kris Storm scenario. But Kris’ fans are just expecting a Kris Drizzle – just reasonable expectations.

Monte Pittman is a lead guitarist.

Zack Baird keyboard/synthesizers.

Don’t know who the drummer is, just that he’s an Aquarius.

I personally think Kris doesn’t have a snowballs chance in he’ll of selling more than Cook. For 2 reasons his album is not as strong and he lacks the fanbase.

Instead of having Adam spend his time doing radio rounds to boost the single, they’re concentrating on creating performances and rehearsing with a live band. These things don’t happen overnight.

They don’t happen overnight, but they don’t take all of his time for weeks at a time. Not as if Adam hadn’t done promoting for 2012 in there, so clearly he had the time and energy to do things other than get ready for the AMAs.

Adam’s big thing, is PERFORMANCE. If his performance isn’t stellar for the AMA and darn good for the other shows, he’ll lose sales.

What? So Adam can’t be sold just by his voice, he has to have people see him to buy his music? And again, why make the AMA this make or break performance? Why not cushion that with trying to get radio play and promoting that way first, because none of that gets in the way of the album doing well.

A hit single sells mostly singles to people that don’t already know the artist. Adam’s fan base is very diverse and I’d hazard that most don’t listen to Top 40 radio.

The point is to move beyond Adam’s fanbase, which yes, is what singles do, so if getting singles on Top 40 is needed to move beyond Adam’s base, and it is, then why not promote the single as much as possible to get that needed exposure there? And certainly the song FYE was designed more to Top 40 than seems to be Adam’s base who seem to prefer TfM. So again, why not promote to the radio audience it’s targeted to and get people’s interest with a single? And maybe to an album sale later. This doesn’t just have to be done via visual peformances, unless one really thinks that Adam just doesn’t have a radio friendly voice.

Kris was known by just as many people as Adam and he’s been out promoting his single on the radio, getting spins that way, and started doing live performances starting with Conan on Friday. Granted it won’t be the spectacle of the AMAs, but after the AMAs, there is nothing for Adam that isn’t just like Kris’s lower key TV promotions.

So bottomline, if I understand this argument, is that Adam can’t sell on the radio for his singles or album without a visual performance to start with to people who don’t know him. So because of that, RCA is right to ignore trying to get him radio play for his single, which could expose Adam to audiences who don’t know him and who he needs and is targeting, because instead it will all start and be predicated on one big flashy visual performance. Which Adam needs and can’t sell things without.

That would be a Kris Storm scenario. But Kris’ fans are just expecting a Kris Drizzle ‘“ just reasonable expectations.

Fan’s expectations don’t count here, only what everyone else in the world is expecting. Kris is the American Idol winner, I expect he’ll be judged that way. I personally, don’t think he’s going to have a problem.

That would be a Kris Storm scenario. But Kris’ fans are just expecting a Kris Drizzle ‘“ just reasonable expectations.

lol that basically sums me up. I’ve always maintained Kris is going to duplicate his performance on Idol and be slow and steady with sales…so I don’t expect a big opening week at all. I hope I’m wrong.

Also about Norah Jones, her last album came out in 2007 and her album before that came out 2004, and the one before that 2002 so her being off the publics radar is nothing new and she still sold over 400,000 her first week with the last one. Obviously with the decline in CD’s/economy I think she’s going to sell a lot less but she’s still seen as a huge seller due to her core fanbase.

I think some people are overestimating the pass. The first week it may have gone to top 10 on itunes, but it started dropping fast and it disappeared from the charts after a couple of weeks

Yes THIS. I have no clue what the pass sold the first couple of weeks and it may have sold a ton, but I wouldn’t use it being available for “months” as any barometer. If it was a constant presence in the Top 100 albums, then I would agree, but not when it hasn’t been seen at all.

But what number is expected for Kris? 119k like Jordin’s opening? 280k like David’s? I personally do NOT expect Kris to move 280K. But is 119K a reasonable number? Or does the economy get taken into account for his numbers and he adjusted that is 100K?

For me, even with the decline in the economy I (personally) would be disappointed if he sold Jordin’s numbers or less. He managed to sell more of NB its first week than Jordin did with her coronation single so I’m hoping he can top her even if its not by a whole lot.

Most of Hollywood could give two shits about some runner up from a reality tv contest, and are not and never will be ‘fans.’ 

I think whoever tweeted is probably aware of “fandom” even if they aren’t a fan themselves. I don’t think Truthiness was saying the dude was an Adam fan, but that he must be a moran if he doesn’t know how things work. Unless of course this is his very very first shoot and has never been involved with anything involving any sort of celebrity. Let’s face it, some people will stalk anything. I mean Paula Abdul? Ryan Seacreast? Didn’t Vanna White have a stalker? I can’t believe they have stalkers, and yet, here we are. If the guy lives in LA, he should know how it works, even if he isn’t a fan.

The bottom line is we don’t know what’s going on. Truthiness, you have no more knowledge on what is being planned or what they have ADam working on than the next person. No one does. Adam isn’t limited to only visual performances, his voice is stellar. However, no one can deny that he loves the visual aspect of his performances. Adam also seems very hands-on in every aspect of his record, video and presentation. He’s also never been known to be a slacker. Everyone has praised him for his work ethic and involvement. There’s a plan, we don’t know it.

edited: don’t comment on the commenters

So bottomline, if I understand this argument, is that Adam can’t sell on the radio for his singles or album without a visual performance to start with to people who don’t know him.

No. I’m saying that albums bring more $$$. The best way to sell albums during this holiday season is to find the idol fans and remind them of Performer Adam. Single growth on radio comes after that and is necessary for long term success. But for now they want to get albums sold for the holidays. Growing his audience now, will sell more singles than albums so they will work on that later.

I’m thinking at this point we just have to agree to disagree. So won’t be posting about this again.

edit: but we’ll argue about it anyway

Thanks, gemini and CindyM. I am going to write down the members of the band for future reference…I still do not know who is in Kris’s band except for Cale and some not particularly good drummer, apparently, per the LLWD performance on Conan.

Maybe we can all agree it will be interesting to see the strategies playing out over the next few weeks, whether or not we feel they are wise. I’m enjoying the education.

LLWD just moved up to #21 on the HAC this afternoon, and #49 on iTunes singles. Kris is holding onto #47 on Top 40 by his fingernails.

Kirsten:

Which formats typically play the most holiday music, and that should be gearing up here shortly, correct? Does this affect adds over the holiday season? Would it be harder to compete for adds until after the holidays are over, or do stations continue to add new songs while mixing in the Christmas stuff?

Kris is holding onto #47 on Top 40 by his fingernails.

Top #37.

Which formats typically play the most holiday music, and that should be gearing up here shortly, correct?

AC is the most dedicated spinner of holiday music and they start the earliest. CAC and Country also do their fair share. HAC and Top 40 should start spinning up soon. It gets more and more concentrated the closer you get to Christmas. It gets tougher to add spins or stations. You just have to hold on and hope that your song is fresh enough and high enough that it gets the surge post Christmas to support your album.

Which formats typically play the most holiday music,

EEEK! No!!! Don’t remind me. I have to turn off the radio completely and stop going to stores to avoid the-little-drummer-boy-that-makes-me-want-to-slit-my-wrists.

More like we’ll find out in two weeks if it was.

Nah. 2 weeks is too early. I guess it depends on what a person sees is important. Slow and steady wins the race to me. There’s no point to opening up big and then dropping off until the next album comes out. I think RCA is handling Adam fine. I’m not concerned at all, and I don’t think there’s any doom in sight. Adam hasn’t started any promotion. It seems like its going to start after the album is out. I have no probs with that, but it sounds like you do. Personally I’d rather have Adam have a long successful career than be a one hit wonder.

I think WYWFM is a much better choice for a single. It’s certainly easier to bring to day-time TV, and you don’t need a band. I think you do for FYE. That is what is most interesting to me’“where WYWFM lands in the FYE landscape.

Personally, I prefer FYE to WYWFM, but I think WYWFM has a better chance at radio play. Especially since its a P!nk song.

For me, even with the decline in the economy I (personally) would be disappointed if he sold Jordin’s numbers or less. He managed to sell more of NB its first week than Jordin did with her coronation single so I’m hoping he can top her even if its not by a whole lot.

So Kris should do better than Jordin’s opening of 119K, so 125K? 150k?

There’s a plan, we don’t know it. Until we do, this has gotten tiring.

And see what I find tiring is people saying there is a plan, and then trying to explain bad numbers as part of that. I find that much more tiring personally. But different strokes and all.

We don’t know the numbers of Adam’s album sales, but apparently they aren’t too shabby. Otherwise why would RCA invest so much on his band and performance/tour director. So far that we know, Adam has some pretty experienced guys in his band. They don’t come cheap. Then the company/director who is putting together his performances and tour. They are quite reputable and again, not cheap. If Adam’s album sales were dismal, or even mediocre at best, RCA wouldn’t put forth this much revenue in Adam.

I’m not going to set my expectations too high on Adam’s sales, but I’m also not going to sell him short. I think his sales are pretty good even considering his songs haven’t been promoted, and he hasn’t had the airplay (due to no promotion).

I think the bottom line is RCA is ignoring FYE radio play for now. And it might be a mistake. Though, they have sent the song for adds, so i would assume they want it to be played.

It is not like RCA has only one person that is responsible for everything Adam related. And the person can’t work with radio stations because the person is in AMA rehearsal. They have a department to work with radio stations and push radio play for a song.

IMO, the iTunes pass was something new and different on itunes, unusual and a little hard to understand. I personally do not think we can count on it to have sold in high quantities after the finale. Perhaps it picked up some sales over the summer when people figured it out.

Someone said it was heavily advertised on the show. Can someone be specific on how this was done? Thanks.

#37 on Top 40. Yeah, oops, sorry Kris.

So if I understand the Christmas impact, we should start to see adds progressively decline overall as stations make room on their air for the Christmas songs.

Okey dokey. I’m ready.

Personally I think RCA is pushing the song behind the scenes, but PDs aren’t biting yet. It would be highly unusual to not push the song at this point. He should be doing a promo blitz in a few weeks anyway, so we’ll see if things pick up then.

I do think they’ll probably rely on his idol notariety to help sell albums through Christmas, and hope the single takes over in January. That said, if the single is going to be in any position to help then, they have to push it now. It has to have some momentum going into the Christmas freeze. So like I said, they are going to push it (and probably already are) IMO.

They have a department to work with radio stations and push radio play for a song.

lol true. and given the number of adds that FYE has (32 in two weeks) compared to FIBOY (9 in more than 4 weeks), I suspect that is happening.

Personally, I prefer FYE to WYWFM, but I think WYWFM has a better chance at radio play. Especially since its a P!nk song.

I understand your thought process, as WYWFM is 100% a Pink song. But IMO…just wrong to have someone else singing it. I am more than disappointed that so many of the songs on FYE are trying to copy someone else’s sound/vibe. But I guess RCA is trying to sell music….

Instead of having Adam spend his time doing radio rounds to boost the single, they’re concentrating on creating performances and rehearsing with a live band. These things don’t happen overnight.

This is what I’m interested in. Considering all the bells and whistles that this guy may need for a tour, what kind of tour will he have? It’s not just him and a band with a few roadies, I’m guessing. As such, he’ll need venues that can handle “bells and whistles.” He’ll definitely need to hook up with an established artist because going on a solo tour would mean much smaller venues and a lot less personnel and support.

I honestly don’t know how either Kris’ or Adam’s albums are going to sell. But I think it’s clear that all these radio interviews, the concerts he’s done, his appearance on Conan and the release of the LLWD music video have earned Kris some new fans outside the Idol bubble. This is the 2nd straight weekend that LLWD has jumped on the iTunes singles chart after some sort of appearance or promotion by Kris. Right now it’s sitting at #49 overall — that’s up by nearly 40 spots from where it was 2 days ago. I am assuming that Adam will get a similar kind of boost once he starts doing his promotional stuff. I do hope that RCA isn’t going to ignore the smaller promotional things like local radio interviews and concerts.

Here’s a short radio clip of Kris on AT40 yesterday introducing LLWD. Ryan sets it up that there have been 4 American Idol winners to make the AT40, and they’re about to have a 5th (sounds like he knows LLWD will be on AT40 next week). Kris tells Ryan “Play the dang song”.

http://www.box.net/shared/6ckd4xat2u

You don’t need to download – just hit play.

This is what I’m interested in. Considering all the bells and whistles that this guy may need for a tour, what kind of tour will he have? It’s not just him and a band with a few roadies, I’m guessing. As such, he’ll need venues that can handle ‘bells and whistles.’  He’ll definitely need to hook up with an established artist because going on a solo tour would mean much smaller venues and a lot less personnel and support.

I also think he’ll be touring with another established act. Especially since RCA just hooked him up with Jamie King who directed/choreographed Madonna’s Sticky/Sweet tour, Britney’s Circus Tour, Rhianna’s 2009/2010 tour, he was nominated for an Emmy for his work with Prince. He’s no slouch. It makes me think that something is and has already been in the works for touring. I’m sure you can’t just call up Jamie King at the drop of a hat and have an arrangement in place that fast. I just wish I knew who he MIGHT be touring with and when.

Personally I think RCA is pushing the song behind the scenes

Me too. Most things happen behind the scenes. Those radio interviews we see are nice and all, but that’s not what makes a single a hit and not what makes most stations play a song.
I think it’s possible RCA expected the single to better than it’s doing now, based on Adam’s buzz and the song being dance/pop which is what’s hot now. But it’s been a slow one. And this is the time for it to start climbing fast. The album will need a hit single to keep selling after the first few weeks.
The song had many test spins in the first week, and most of those stations haven’t played it again since then. Why? It didn’t test well? I think it’s possible.

What does it mean when a song doesn’t test well?

Kris was known by just as many people as Adam and he’s been out promoting his single on the radio, getting spins that way,

LLWD was at # 77 on the overall charts on the twelth day after it was released to iTunes.

FYE is beating LLWD in overall adds if you compare the first two weeks after release.

FYE and LLWD have similar spin totals if you compare the first two weeks.

Truthiness: How did going around and giving a few radio interviews help LLWD? It wasn’t doing ANY better at two weeks out. Do you have any facts to back up that LLWD was doing that much better than FYE at the two week mark? If not, I guess Jive did a pretty poor job also and those radio gigs didn’t help.

What does it mean when a song doesn’t test well?

See the thread on the apparent contents of the Adam video. If the music/singing won’t sell it, maybe bare bums will?

ETA: Not a fan of the FYE single. The other three Adam songs I’ve heard so far are much better.

Sherena, lots of radio stations do their own customer surveys and/or focus group testing for new songs. Its not just all Rate The Music surveys. If the numbers on a song come back terrible, they won’t play it. Of course, there is no way of knowing if that is the case here. It’s still early.

Here’s a short radio clip of Kris on AT40 yesterday introducing LLWD. Ryan sets it up that there have been 4 American Idol winners to make the AT40, and they’re about to have a 5th (sounds like he knows LLWD will be on AT40 next week). Kris tells Ryan ‘Play the dang song’ .

http://www.box.net/shared/6ckd4xat2u

You don’t need to download ‘“ just hit play.

Yay Kris!!!! This is funny. And isn’t AT40 like 2 weeks behind the charts, so Ryan would know that Kris will be in the 30s in the next few weeks on his show. And this promo is also great because AT40 is played almost everywhere.

Adam FYE, today on amazon.com

No. 1 in Rock
No. 6 in Pop
No. 6 in Bestsellers

This is the 2nd straight weekend that LLWD has jumped on the iTunes singles chart after some sort of appearance or promotion by Kris. Right now it’s sitting at #49 overall ‘” that’s up by nearly 40 spots from where it was 2 days ago. I am assuming that Adam will get a similar kind of boost once he starts doing his promotional stuff. I do hope that RCA isn’t going to ignore the smaller promotional things like local radio interviews and concerts.

Same answer here. The video and Conan appearance seemed to have a huge effect. Those radio interviews and concerts had him 40 places lower and moving out of the top 40. ( He was down to #145 on Oct. 15.) Then bam! It seems that the video and Target type adds have had the biggest impact thus far. If RCA is doing a bad job, then so did Jive.

The video and Conan appearance seemed to have a huge effect.

For Cookie last year, he would get a mini ITunes bump every time his video aired on the Vh1 countdown. That happened for both songs.

“FYE is beating LLWD in overall adds if you compare the first two weeks after release.”

Gemini – I’ve commented on this statement before, and am not going to debate again except to say you are comparing Kris’ adds before his official add date with Adam’s adds after his official add date. You’re comparing apples and oranges. Very misleading.

And see what I find tiring is people saying there is a plan, and then trying to explain bad numbers as part of that. I find that much more tiring personally. But different strokes and all.

I don’t think Adam’s numbers are bad. lol I guess that is where people disagree. I don’t think he’s in trouble at all. Its waaay too early to say one way or the other.

Allison is performing at the KIIS.FM Jingle Jam in LA on December 5!!

It turns out that she apparently won’t be playing the Jingle Ball concert itself — rather, she’ll be playing at a pre-show festival in the afternoon:

http://www.kiisfm.com/pages/events/jingleball09/village.html

It says “Performance from Allison Iraheta and many more…” Don’t know if that means she’ll be the headliner for the afternoon or she’s just the first one they’ve scheduled — hopefully she’s the headliner. I guess that would make her the big fish in a small pond as opposed to a small fish in the evening concert’s big pond.

FYE is beating LLWD in overall adds if you compare the first two weeks after release.

FYE and LLWD have similar spin totals if you compare the first two weeks.

Really? and going to Eileen99′s excellent point, what are the adds for Kris after his offical add date and spins for the first two weeks. And what were Adam’s adds after his offical add date and spins for the first two weeks?

And again, after offical adds to that it’s apples to apples.

Is anyone listening to OHP-it’s on now.Any idea if they will play Adam again tonight?

RCA is absolutely working FYE behind the scenes. Major labels don’t send the debut single from their most high-profile debut artist for adds without a team of busy little radio reps on the phone daily to every PM in their territory. I’m not sure why they don’t have Adam making the rounds yet, but I’d be very surprised if that doesn’t kick-in soon. This single has to start building momentum going into the holiday freeze, or January is going to be a scramble.

It’s definitely possible that callout had been weak thus far – an initial flurry of test spins but no subsequent support on those stations is sometimes an indicator that a song is not testing well. But it also could be a lot of other things. It could be that there are too many similar songs in rotation right now, and the palylists just need to clear out a bit before PDs take another look at the song. It could be that the jury is still out on Adam at radio, and stations are waiting for a Big Daddy like Z100 or KIIS-FM to pick it up before they follow suit. This song might just be more of a slow-burner than we expected. Who knows. It’s early.

I checked my notes from last year and it looks like the holiday slow-down really started to hit the week of 11/9, and gradually impacted overall AI until the week of 12/21. David Cook’s total AI dropped by more than 10 million during that period, despite the fact that ‘Light On’ actually managed to grow during the holiday period, though at a much slower rate than it was prior to the freeze. TOML, which was at the top of the AC charts by November, really took a hit – its AI dropped from ~40 million AI before the holidays to less than 4 million by Christmas. Then it rebounded and was back up to almost 30 million AI by the first week of January. So yes, the holiday freeze is real and can be insurmountable for some songs, but it does hit CHR and HAC less than other formats, and I’m certain Jive and RCA are planning for it.

Truthiness: How did going around and giving a few radio interviews help LLWD? It wasn’t doing ANY better at two weeks out. Do you have any facts to back up that LLWD was doing that much better than FYE at the two week mark? If not, I guess Jive did a pretty poor job also and those radio gigs didn’t help.

gemim1, ITA with this and with similar posts by jms and CindyM.

And I always enjoy reading your posts, Truthiness, but I think you are dead wrong on this issue. JMO. The single was released only 3 weeks prior to the album and the way it was released makes me think RCA was focusing not just on allbum sales, but on its Collector’s Edition album sales. The subsequent exclusive release of WWFM on AO only strengthens that belief. Adam had a limited amount of time to promote the single before the album drop, no MV to help the single’s sales, TFM promotional work to do and an AMA performance to prepare for – all in three weeks’ time. I really don’t believe – as gemini said – a few radio promotions would have made that much of a difference in the scheme of things.

Adam’s been a busy boy, with his red carpet events, his TFM press obligations, his “hot list” parties, his band selection and AMA planning, not to mention the video shoot that is happening today. Again, we’re talking about three weeks. And during that time, the spins and adds have steadily grown without any promotion from Adam, at a rate that is not that far different from what Kris experienced, with promotion!

I don’t think the incremental difference between the current level of radio play for fye and what that level might have been if radio promotions had been done would have translated into some astronomical number of album sales. I truly believe the AMA performance will have a much greater impact.

ETA: I also believe Adam will begin promoting the single after the AMA’s and the album’s release.

I don’t think Truthiness was saying the dude was an Adam fan, but that he must be a moran if he doesn’t know how things work. Unless of course this is his very very first shoot and has never been involved with anything involving any sort of celebrity.

LMAO!

No, you don’t understand.

Think about your job, and your politics, and your lifestyle. Then think about those times when you’ve encountered someone who has had no experience with something that is an every day thing for you, and how skewed their view was of what you take for granted. This is you. You have a skewed view of what it’s like in this world.

The only difference between me and that guy is A) he’s getting paid right now, and B) I’m a geek who likes to argue to strangers on the internet…actually, B is a tautology.

Here’s a fact you may not be aware of…the majority of “sets” and “shoots” never see the light of day. Ever. They never get released. Even to DVD. Maybe they see one or two festivals, or screenings, but mostly not even that. If they’re lucky, a small cable network will buy the rights. A huge chunk of the rest never take off. You may have heard of it, but probably forgot it five minutes later. Music videos are a large chunk of both of those types.

These women are not stalkers. They would never be classified as stalkers. Stalkers are mentally ill people who believe they have a relationship with you, and will do whatever they have to do to keep that alive. These women don’t believe they are friends with Adam. They are just entitled, delusional fans.

Never thought the guy was an Adam fan. lol. The guy probably never heard of him before a few weeks ago, and like any other person he encounters with a fanbase, he thought he’d throw out a nugget and see if he could get some love for it.

Most fans tend to be very respectful, and I’m sure this guy thought that Adam was like any other minor celebrity with those dedicated, but respectful fans who would stand there for hours if their guy would just smile at them.

See the thread on the apparent contents of the Adam video. If the music/singing won’t sell it, maybe bare bums will?

LMAO. Well, it worked for Britney. Why not. Funniest comment I’ve read yet.

And I absolutely believe RCA is working those PDs hard. I agree with Tinawina.

Did anyone posts Kris’ tweets from a few hours ago? Looks like he was amusing himself on his flight to NYC by reading that Skymall magazine again!

KrisAllen

# Whoever buys this is just asking for it. http://twitpic.com/po8ht about 3 hours ago from Echofon

# “I can’t play guitar at all but I can fake the ladies out with this device that actually plays it for me. Score!” http://twitpic.com/po8s3 about 3 hours ago from Echofon

# Seriously?! http://twitpic.com/po93w about 3 hours ago from Echofon

# “daddy stop choking me!” http://twitpic.com/po9b8 about 3 hours ago from Echofon

# Ok yes I did try the cookie diet and yes I use the chord device to play the guitar. I’ve been tricking you guys all along. I’m very sneeky. about 3 hours ago from Echofon

Really? and going to Eileen99′s excellent point, what are the adds for Kris after his offical add date and spins for the first two weeks. And what were Adam’s adds after his offical add date and spins for the first two weeks?

Once again: FYE is beating LLWD in overall adds if you compare the first two weeks after release. It is NOT a misleading statement. In fact, Adam is more than double what Kris’ was. In one week we can compare the three week totals-that will probably be more equal.

Truthiness: How did going around and giving a few radio interviews help LLWD? It wasn’t doing ANY better at two weeks out. Do you have any facts to back up that LLWD was doing that much better than FYE at the two week mark? If not, I guess Jive did a pretty poor job also and those radio gigs didn’t help.

gemini1
11/15/2009 at 7:31 pm

Once again: FYE is beating LLWD in overall adds if you compare the first two weeks after release. It is NOT a misleading statement. In fact, Adam is more than double what Kris’ was. In one week we can compare the three week totals-that will probably be more equal.

how many adds did FYE get the week of its radio release? IIRC, LLWD had about 40, which i thought was unusually high. if FYE did more than that, that’s great.

anyone know adds info. for allison?

I think he could do better than Cook

Yeah, just had to add to the chorus of “um, no” in response to this prediction for Kris. I’m usually a fudger, qualifying everything and never giving an absolute, but for this, I’ll go on record with a “no frickin’ way in hell.” Feel free to feed that back to me if reality proves me wrong.

BTW, to be clear, I expect great things for Adam (eventually), but I would not even predict this for him at this point. Internationally? Maybe. But more than likely (see, there I go… ) not US.

Make no mistake though, I do fully expect the sales for both to be very good, and very close, with the better first week going to Kris.

Truthiness: Apples to Apples-

LLWD- 1st two weeks(after add date)=39
FYE- 1st two weeks(after add date)=34

LLWD- 3rd week(after add date)=9
FYE-3rd week (after add date)= ?

Also, LLWD’s 1st week was at 32 which actually counted two weeks worth of adds. (one before the add date) So, it’s still not apples to apples because we are comparing 3 weeks to two weeks.

Like I said, I expect FYE and LLWD to be very close in adds come late Tuesday.

The Live in the Vineyrd site finally put Kris’ performance of MITM up on their site

http://www.youtube.com/user/LiveInTheVineyard#p/u

Jambajim

# Interviewing Kris Allen tomorrow at 4pm after @AlexaChung has her way w/ him. Anything you wanna ask? Hit me on my beeper! I mean, Twitter. 19 minutes ago from UberTwitter

The Live in the Vineyrd site finally put Kris’ performance of MITM up on their site

http://www.youtube.com/user/LiveInTheVineyard#p/u

the sound is so low on those videos they posted of him. we don’t even hear the introduction of each song

jtoms: anyone know adds info. for allison?

She’s had 9 so far — 2 her first week, 2 the second week, and 5 last week.

Woohoo… Nice for 2012:

Moviegoers said give us the apocalypse now as Sony’s end-of-the-world epic “2012″ topped the weekend boxoffice with a heaping $65 million in opening domestic coin.

Directed by Roland Emmerich (“Independence Day”), the effects-filled actioner cost $200 million to produce. But with a $225 million worldwide haul from simultaneous openings in 105 foreign territories, the more than 2 1/2-hour tentpole delivered a planetary payout on that investment at the high end of pre-release projections.

“2012″ opened roughly similar to Emmerich’s personal best debut with “The Day After Tomorrow,” which rung up $68.7 million over the first three days of 2004′s four-day Memorial Day weekend en route to registering $186.7 million in total domestic boxoffice. The helmer’s last pic — 2008′s “10,000 B.C.” — bowed with $35.9 million and grossed $94.8 million overall domestically.

Opening audiences for “2012″ skewed 52% male, with 55% of patrons aged 25 or older.

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/hr/content_display/news/e3i4cdea7d2a4bcd398f4bb20936aba3b01

FYE is #47 on HAC now. As it rises do certain stations automatically pick it up when it hits certain chart positions? I’m wondering if there will be some auto adds because it went from in the 50′s to the 40′s.

Good questions, jms. I have no idea how this goes, but WE WANT TOP 40, FYE. Do it. Get there. (Okay, we will wait till after the AMAs, but only if we really have to. We would rather not.)

I llurve WYWFM, not b/c it is a Pink song, but b/c I find the lyrics very applicable to Adam’s life “I feel like a freak….don’t give up on me,” etc.

WYWFM did get played on OHP tonight, BTW.

I don’t think OHP is actually live on Sunday is it? I thought it was just a replay of Saturday’s show.

These professional pix from Cookie’s show last night are really great
http://motorcityblog.blogspot.com/2009/11/photos-david-cook-caesars-windsor.html

Speaking of professional pix of David Cook, DFW Live just published some stunning pictures and a great review of Cook’s show at the Palladium in Dallas last week. If you scroll down she has some amazing ones in both b&w and color:

http://www.dfwlive.org/davidcook_palladium09.html

jtoms: anyone know adds info. for allison?

She’s had 9 so far ‘” 2 her first week, 2 the second week, and 5 last week.

Oh, also all of Allison’s adds are on Top40 format stations. She doesn’t have any in HAC. Don’t know if this is on purpose by Jive or if her single is that unsuited to the HAC format.

Thanks Ladymadonna! I was at that David Cook show and right behind that photographer a few times as she moved through the walk zone. That review was right on the money. He was absolutely stellar that night. Dude knows how to put on a rock show.

ladymadonna
11/15/2009 at 8:58 pm
Speaking of professional pix of David Cook, DFW Live just published some stunning pictures and a great review of Cook’s show at the Palladium in Dallas last week. If you scroll down she has some amazing ones in both b&w and color:

http://www.dfwlive.org/davidcook_palladium09.html

Thanks so much. Fantastic Review. Gorgeous photos. I miss his little tummy and chubby butt – he is getting sooooo skinny.

I just read what was written in the article along with the photo link Ladymadonna posted – Wow more really nice compliments for our boy Cook!

Brian Mansfield has a brief article ion Kris here.

http://www.usatoday.com/life/music/news/2009-11-15-kallen16_ST_N.htm

Opening audiences for ’2012′ ³ skewed 52% male, with 55% of patrons aged 25 or older.

That’s good news. Not exactly your “Twilight crowd”. There will be a big percentage of women over 25 who go to see Twilight New Moon-but not close to the percentage of young girls.

Thanks ladym! I am especially fond of this pic. My, what a big guitar you have….

Haven’t seen this here yet…over on DCO someone posted this new compilation vid of the AI Fangirl Holy Trinity GMA gig. Cookie’s so purdy in pink.

LMAO!

No, you don’t understand.

Think about your job, and your politics, and your lifestyle.

Hey, Erinnthered, I’m glad I made you chuckle. But I do think I understand what I mean. I live in LA and I work in a service industry that caters to the “stars.” So from my perspective, I can’t imagine anyone living in Los Angeles who works in an industry that deals with celebrities not understanding how things work. If this video was shot in Kansas, I would think your point was valid.

Also, it’s an assumption that the dancer “probably never heard of Adam” until three weeks ago. AI is a huge show, the LA radio stations were talking about Adam. He’s been on covers.

This dancer probably had to audition for the gig. The dancer may run in the same circles as Adam since Adam did stage work in Los Angeles. Too many variables to say where the guy was coming from when he tweeted.

To cut to the chase, you may be 100 percent correct, or I may be, or the truth may be somewhere in the middle. It really doesn’t matter. It’s not that important. It’s just a tweet from a dancer.

Speaking of professional pix of David Cook, DFW Live just published some stunning pictures and a great review of Cook’s show at the Palladium in Dallas last week. If you scroll down she has some amazing ones in both b&w and color:

http://www.dfwlive.org/davidcook_palladium09.html

Is this unusual? This must be the third show where there’s been a professional photographer afoot taking, and eventually displaying, professional pics of David’s shows. Is this just coincidence? Is this traction for having been around now for awhile and putting on all these shows? Is this orchestrated? (I doubt the latter. RCA has no time for Cook at the moment.)

It seems we might hear LLWD on AT40 pretty soon. Here is Ryan announcing it and talking to Kris on phone.
Oh Kris, “play my dang song”.

http://www.box.net/shared/6ckd4xat2u

So Kris should do better than Jordin’s opening of 119K, so 125K? 150k?

I would be very surprised if Kris actually gets more than 100K the first week. Remember that CD sales have declined year by year, and although I don’t have the number, I wouldn’t be surprise it fell by 30% since Jordin’s season (if anyone has the actual number do let us know). As far as I can know, Kris’ No Boundaries and Jordin’s This Is My Now sold about the same number (~270-280K), but when you consider that single downloads have actually increased in the meantime, Kris may not have done as well as Jordin. I have already given my prediction for Kris which is 60-80K, but I hope to be proved wrong because I do like Kris.

BTW, to be clear, I expect great things for Adam (eventually), but I would not even predict this for him at this point. Internationally? Maybe. But more than likely (see, there I go’ ¦ ) not US.

I do see Adam doing much better than David Cook internationally, and possibly better eventually in the US as well if his material is good enough (but I should say that I don’t like most of what I heard from his album so far). I think one very important thing for Adam to do right is to get the right image, and in that regard I think he made a misstep in his choice of CD cover. He can be as outrageous as he likes, but he really needs to present his image with some care. One example to think of is Boy George – his appearance in the 80s was so far from normal but yet somehow he still managed to be mainstream enough to appear in an episode of the TV show The A-Team. He looked strange but not silly (Adam looked a bit silly in that picture), outrageous but unthreatening. He didn’t frighten the horses.

jms: Oh, also all of Allison’s adds are on Top40 format stations. She doesn’t have any in HAC. Don’t know if this is on purpose by Jive or if her single is that unsuited to the HAC format.

I’d imagine both. I’d think they’re pushing it only to Top 40 because they know it’s not very well-suited to HAC. I don’t expect it to get any HAC adds unless it really catches fire on Top 40.

Hazehel: I would be very surprised if Kris actually gets more than 100K the first week.

Totally agree. The way things are going these days, I think 100K would be great.

Hey thanks for the link to that review and pics of David’s concert in Dallas. I can’t wait for my own concert in Orlando, FL coming up in the next few weeks.

suenigma – I don’t think you have to worry about him losing the “chubby ass” Once ya got junk in the trunk, ya always got junk in the trunk. He’s got that baseball player build. Nice chunky ass, thick arms.

And oh my word did I just pontificate on Cook’s ass? Slaps forehead. Do not take cold medication before posting on the inernets.

Is this unusual? This must be the third show where there’s been a professional photographer afoot taking, and eventually displaying, professional pics of David’s shows. Is this just coincidence? Is this traction for having been around now for awhile and putting on all these shows? Is this orchestrated?

I don’t know that it’s particularly unusual – pros have been shooting David and the band throughout the entire tour. Most seem to be independent concert photogs or else they’re on assignment from the local newspaper. You’re right that there have been a lot in this last leg – we’ve seen great shots come out of the Dallas, St. Louis, and Windsor shows just this past week.

If anything I’d guess it’s just Dave picking up a reputation of being a great live show and a great shoot. I know the St. Louis photographer and the Dallas photographer were talking about how good David was to shoot over Twitter – in fact I think the St. Louis guy went to the Pageant show mainly on Rachel’s recommendation. I haven’t seen any indication that these photos have anything to do with 19/RCA (beyond just standard tour PR).

Thanks so much. Fantastic Review. Gorgeous photos. I miss his little tummy and chubby butt ‘“ he is getting sooooo skinny.

He looks so small in person, I was really surprised. Quite yummy but way smaller than I expected. Of course if he stands next to Kyle & Andy he looks like a Sasquatch… man, those are teeny (but cute) boys!

Thanks for bringing those links over – what a great bunch of photos. And a great review!

wellhesback
11/15/2009 at 8:45 pm

These professional pix from Cookie’s show last night are really great
http://motorcityblog.blogspot.com/2009/11/photos-david-cook-caesars-windsor.html

Those were beautiful! I loved the close ups of all the band members as well, but did I miss Andy?

LOL, Garnetstar, you cracked me up. I am usually up really late doing proofreading work and the stuff that I post sometimes in half-delirious tiredness probably resembles cold medicine-fueled postings. Hee. Can’t help it. Sometimes I almost flail. A little.

I haven’t seen any indication that these photos have anything to do with 19/RCA (beyond just standard tour PR).

I agree 100%. RCA’s been pretty useless lately, so anything Cook is attracting now is totally about him.

And oh my word did I just pontificate on Cook’s ass? Slaps forehead. Do not take cold medication before posting on the inernets.

You’re so busted. Although, if ever there was a nice chunky ass worthy of pontification….Erm, um, look, it’s the loch ness monster!

so anything Cook is attracting now is totally about him.

See: Garnetstar, pontificating…

erinnthered
To most of the industry there are normal fans, dangerous stalkers, those weirdos who’ll wait in line for a long time for something, and Wil Wheaton.

LOL, but why you gotta bring poor Wil Wheaton into this?

I do see Adam doing much better than David Cook internationally, and possibly better eventually in the US as well if his material is good enough (but I should say that I don’t like most of what I heard from his album so far).

OK, this is me just speculating, and I am sure that I will be proven wrong, but I am not convinced that Adam is going to do all that great outside of the US and Canada. What seems cutting edge to us, is in fact just a tired retread of what is already being done in Europe (Tokio Hotel, Muse, Temper Trap, Mika, etc.). Hell, in Europe the second wave of Glam Rock is already long passe. Internationally his take on the genre just really isn’t all that unique – although his vocal skills certainly are. Kelly Clarkson is great, obviously, but she is not exactly outside of the box musically, and she has thus far been the only true international Idol success. She represents true American Pop Rock, and I think that that is partly why she has been embraced. People want their Queens and Bowies from Europe, and their Bruce Springsteens and Britney Spears from the US. Am I totally out to lunch? LOL.

girlygirl
11/15/2009 at 9:16 pm

Brian Mansfield has a brief article ion Kris here.

http://www.usatoday.com/life/music/news/2009-11-15-kallen16_ST_N.htm

What a great article! It states so many things so well, imo. I really liked what that PM said and personally I couldn’t agree more.

I agree 100%. RCA’s been pretty useless lately, so anything Cook is attracting now is totally about him.

Well…that wasn’t really my point – I have zero concerns about RCA’s support of Cook. I simply meant that the photographers presence didn’t appear to be a part of any special label project. Earlier in the tour there had been one or two dates where a professional camera crew was recording live footage – there was speculation that it was for a live DVD or something but nothing has materialized. I was just saying that I think these recent photos have just been local/independent and not engaged by the label.

Damn I wish RCA would put out a live CD from Cookie’s show or a deluxe DCTR before he puts out DCTR # 2. Oh well, if wishes were horses…

suenigma ‘“ I don’t think you have to worry about him losing the ‘chubby ass’  Once ya got junk in the trunk, ya always got junk in the trunk. He’s got that baseball player build. Nice chunky ass, thick arms.

Thank you Garnetstar, I am much relieved. His ass is a thing of beauty to me, and any diminishment thereof would be a tragedy of Global proportions.

ETA: I am soooo ashamed.

In other words, when you’re photogenic, photographers are gonna wanna take your picture? I actually am more excited by the possibility that the professional photographers flocking to Cook concerts are representative of a grassroots word of mouth mini-phenomenon than I would be if we found out it was an RCA sanctioned type thing. Unless of course they were looking to compile artwork for a deluxe DCTR with live concert footage…. (Keep on dreaming, as the man says in my favorite song…)

Well’ ¦that wasn’t really my point ‘“ I have zero concerns about RCA’s support of Cook. I simply meant that the photographers presence didn’t appear to be a part of any special label project.

Well, that’s my point. They appear to be ignoring him.

I think he could do better than Cook

Time will tell. I’ll say one thing, it’s not as easy as it looks. I thought DC would come out like gangbusters and quickly sell multiplatinum like Daughtry and Carrie, but I overestimated what would happen. Six months from now, a year from now, three years from now, it will be interesting to see how it all works out for all of them.

Unless of course they were looking to compile artwork for a deluxe DCTR with live concert footage’ ¦

Stop, I can’t take it … arrrr … lol … I wish …

Well if there isn’t going to be a deluxe cd or an EP … I’ll just have to get excited about the next cd, and his Idol appearance(s), and I’ll just have to forget about the lovely songs on the cd and the lovely bonus songs and the lovely songs that didn’t make the final cut and and and all the great songs on AH that might never be re-released and the illusive AH2 … forget all that and pin my hopes on the next cd …. that hopefully will all be written by David so they have to put out one of his self-penned songs this time.

Those are gorgeous photos of David Cook. Wow. Rachel Parker and Gene Shilling have some fabulous photos of his Dallas and Windor Canada shows, respectively.

Fabulous review. “You experience what it feels like to you have your face melted off by his guitar playing”.. Fangirls FTW! Awesome.

Okay, I found the spin information. FYE has 855 total spins. 386 in HAC and 398 in Pop. (for two weeks)

This is information I found from earlier posts:

“According to Mediabase, LLWD had 92 spins the week ending Sep-24 and 275 spins (148 HAC, 127 POP) the week ending Oct-01.”

“LLWD has yet to hit 200 spins on Pop radio after 2 1/2 weeks.”

Does anyone have the numbers at two weeks for total spins for LLWD to make an “apple to apple” comparison?

In other words, when you’re photogenic, photographers are gonna wanna take your picture? I actually am more excited by the possibility that professional photographers showing up at Cook concerts are representative of a grassroots word of mouth mini-phenomenon than I would be if we found out it was an RCA sanctioned type thing.

Word.

‘ll just have to forget about the lovely songs on the cd and the lovely bonus songs and the lovely songs that didn’t make the final cut and and and all the great songs on AH that might never be re-released and the illusive AH2 ‘ ¦

Well damn. Now I’m getting pissed at the universe, which, while occasionally cathartic, is never very productive. Can we just talk about his ass some more?

(Sigh. AH2 is so my pony…I wants it, the preshusss…)

Those were beautiful! I loved the close ups of all the band members as well, but did I miss Andy?

Yeah Andy was there in at least one close-up that I saw. Monty looked adorable in his photos. I think I’m getting a crush on him. He’s closer to my age too. LOL.

Can we just talk about his ass some more?

Well okay if we have to … lol. Not me though, but you guys go ahead

LOL, but why you gotta bring poor Wil Wheaton into this?

Hee!

I love Wil Wheaton. I was just being silly. He’s a well known, unabashed geek and fanboy within the industry. I was using him to illustrate a known subgroup of fans. They’re rarer than you think.

Can we just talk about his ass some more?

I can. It’s just as beautiful as ever. Although it might be a tad bit thinner. Poor me might have to do some research. Ha

‘ll just have to forget about the lovely songs on the cd and the lovely bonus songs and the lovely songs that didn’t make the final cut and and and all the great songs on AH that might never be re-released and the illusive AH2 ‘ ¦

All this unreleased stuff is making me depressed. I just gotta look ahead to DCTR2.

Monty looked adorable in his photos. I think I’m getting a crush on him. He’s closer to my age too. LOL.

Hahaha, I’m developing a Monty crush, too. How old is he? He has to be closer to my age than the rest of them… Kyle is just a baby, Andy is barely older than just a baby, and David & Neal are… 26? Lordy.

gemini1

You are using the spin totals for LLWD that were BEFORE its official add date. If you are going to compare it to FYE — whose 800+ spins are SINCE it’s official add date, you then have to look at the 2 weeks AFTER LLWD’s official add date — the official add date for LLWD was OCTOBER 12

Hahaha, I’m developing a Monty crush, too. How old is he? He has to be closer to my age than the rest of them’ ¦ Kyle is just a baby, Andy is barely older than just a baby, and David & Neal are’ ¦ 26? Lordy.

Monty is 45, DC and NFT are 26 , Andy is 24, Kyle is 21.

I agree 100%. RCA’s been pretty useless lately, so anything Cook is attracting now is totally about him.

Lately? They’ve been useless the last few months..

In all seriousness I just can’t see them investing money in a deluxe CD. Not now. A deluxe CD would have been ideal when DCTR just came out but not all this time later. Monster CD’s like Taylor Swift and Beyonce, artists who are still selling like gangbustas its worth it to have a re-release.

I won’t get into a huge rant about RCA because its pointless and all but I will say I have no problems with how 19 have treated him.

Random but he’s been quiet on Twitter today. I hope he’s either sleeping for hours or holed up with Raine writing since he’s in Canada

http://www.usatoday.com/life/music/news/2009-11-15-kallen16_ST_N.htm

Good article! I played Kris’ single for my sister on our way to the Redskins game today (woohoo we frickin’ scored more than 17 pts and won while we were at it) and she was surprised how good it was. And now that she knows that he is actually making music (ha) maybe she’ll go buy his album.

You are using the spin totals for LLWD that were BEFORE its official add date. If you are going to compare it to FYE ‘” whose 800+ spins are SINCE it’s official add date, you then have to look at the 2 weeks AFTER LLWD’s official add date

And if things weren’t complicated enough, you now have WYWFM thrown in the mix! No adds, and it’s not even a single. It’s no longer apples and oranges, it’s a fruit salad.

I hope he’s either sleeping for hours or holed up with Raine writing since he’s in Canada

He’s at a Boys Like Girls concert LOL

Monty is 45, DC and NFT are 26 , Andy is 24, Kyle is 21.

I thought Monty was 38.

LLWD picked up an early Top 40 add today. (Very early because those adds don’t come in until Tuesday).

And if things weren’t complicated enough, you know have WYWFM thrown in the mix! No adds, and it’s not even a single. It’s no longer apples and oranges, it’s a fruit salad.

As long as no one brings the ambrosia, I think we’re good.

[small voice]I’m kinda hoping they do go with Whataya Want From Me. Bad syntax and all.[/small voice]

No adds, and it’s not even a single. It’s no longer apples and oranges, it’s a fruit salad.

Oh, Lord, now I have the Wiggles in my head. “Fruit salad… yummy yummy…”

Waaah!

Gemini1

I went back and looked at the Monday morning mediabase posts dated 10/19 and 10/26. Those would be for the first 2 weeks AFTER LLWD’s official add date. Here is what was reported…

Oct. 19 (numbers for 10/12-10/18)

Kris’s LLWD went for adds last week. It currently gets 799 spins last week (294 in HAC, 496 in Pop, 1 in Active and 8 in Rhythmic)

Oct 26 (numbers for 10/19-10/25)

Kris’s ‘Live Like We’re Dying’  went for adds two weeks ago and received 1323 spins (HAC:487, Pop:812, Rhy:24).

Therefore, in ts first two weeks after its official add date, LLWD received 2122 total spins.

erinnthered
Hee!

I love Wil Wheaton. I was just being silly. He’s a well known, unabashed geek and fanboy within the industry. I was using him to illustrate a known subgroup of fans. They’re rarer than you think.

Heh me too! He took internet crap for years, but has developed into a really talented writer whose blog is just fun to read. Plus his ep on Big Bang Theory as Evil!Wil Wheaton, Sheldon’s nemesis was epic!

Monty is 45, DC and NFT are 26 , Andy is 24, Kyle is 21.

I thought Monty was 38.

Maybe I got it wrong. I forget where I saw that.

“OK, this is me just speculating, and I am sure that I will be proven wrong, but I am not convinced that Adam is going to do all that great outside of the US and Canada. What seems cutting edge to us, is in fact just a tired retread of what is already being done in Europe (Tokio Hotel, Muse, Temper Trap, Mika, etc.). Hell, in Europe the second wave of Glam Rock is already long passe. Internationally his take on the genre just really isn’t all that unique ‘“ although his vocal skills certainly are. Kelly Clarkson is great, obviously, but she is not exactly outside of the box musically, and she has thus far been the only true international Idol success. She represents true American Pop Rock, and I think that that is partly why she has been embraced. People want their Queens and Bowies from Europe, and their Bruce Springsteens and Britney Spears from the US. Am I totally out to lunch? LOL.”

I think your wrong on this one. Adam is different than Tokio Hotel, Muse, Temper Trap or Mika. Adam can sing a lot more than Glam Rock, he’s one of he most versatile and talented singers alive. One of Adam’s greatest assets is his uniqueness and his refusal to be categorized as one thing. I believe from the day Adam signed with RCA, they had some idea about his appeal to an international audience. For them to bring in some of the best producers, song writers and choreographers in the business to work with him, they have to have a sound reason to do it. RCA is not doing this out of the goodness of their tiny, little, cold hearts, they must have seen some good numbers on his presales. I think the European Market is important, but his biggest seller will be the Asian Market. It’s going to be interesting to see how many albums are sold in Japan and China.

IMO the fact that Kris’s official add date was weeks after his single was premiered on radio and Adam’s official add date was only a couple days after after his single was premiered on radio makes them apples and oranges.

If you compare their spins chronologically from premiere day, Kris gets the shaft because his song wasn’t up for adds yet.

If you compare them chronologically from official add date, Adam gets the shaft since he only got a few days of radio to play to build up interest.

So while this will of course not stop anyone from comparing because that is what we do here, it’s really not a fair comparison for either of them.

This is what I found on pulse for LLWD, 16 days after the premiere (the correspondent to FYE today’s update)

Total: 373 (+26)
Pop: 186 (+13)
HAC: 187 (+13)

Aud: 3.304 (+0.484)

The number if spins isn’t that different, but there’s a big difference in AI

LOL my head is spinning! Some insist on using add date, some on using premier date. I’m going with soverymel, it’s apples to oranges no matter which you choose. People will always choose the numbers that reflect better on their favorite. Nothing wrong with that! Glass half full and all.

Add date or premiere date both reflect better on LLWD, so I’m not sure it matters that much.

BTW, I just saw that Kris’ album is now available for download on U.K. iTunes…

I think your wrong on this one. Adam is different than Tokio Hotel, Muse, Temper Trap or Mika. Adam can sing a lot more than Glam Rock, he’s one of he most versatile and talented singers alive. One of Adam’s greatest assets is his uniqueness and his refusal to be categorized as one thing. I believe from the day Adam signed with RCA, they had some idea about his appeal to an international audience. For them to bring in some of the best producers, song writers and choreographers in the business to work with him, they have to have a sound reason to do it. RCA is not doing this out of the goodness of their tiny, little, cold hearts, they must have seen some good numbers on his presales. I think the European Market is important, but his biggest seller will be the Asian Market. It’s going to be interesting to see how many albums are sold in Japan and China.

I get what you are saying bridgette12, and I hope that it turns out to be true, but honestly it sounds a little like an RCA Press Release. I’m not convinced that the rest of the world will be buying what RCA is trying to sell them. Based on what I have heard of his album thus far, Adam Lambert’s music is not unique, organic and/or cutting edge, sorry. He is an excellent singer, yes, but he is also a very polarizing singer (and I don’t mean because of his lifestyle, I am referring strictly to his voice).

If you compare their spins chronologically from premiere day, Kris gets the shaft because his song wasn’t up for adds yet.

If you compare them chronologically from official add date, Adam gets the shaft since he only got a few days of radio to play to build up interest.

So while this will of course not stop anyone from comparing because that is what we do here, it’s really not a fair comparison for either of them.

Exactly.

I don’t know how Adam will do internationally, but on Amazon Japan, his presale album has gone from #140 last night at 12:00AM to #70 right now. Not a bad leap in 23 hours.

Therefore, in ts first two weeks after its official add date, LLWD received 2122 total spins

That doesn’t work. It was available for spins the day it was released, just like FYE. I’m comparing the first two weeks because they were spinning LLWD the first two weeks. (In fact, z100 and two Ark. stations were spinning the crap out of it) They were basically at the same place for adds, spins and on iTunes.
We should look again in two weeks because then we can compare FYE to these numbers.

Heh me too! He took internet crap for years, but has developed into a really talented writer whose blog is just fun to read. Plus his ep on Big Bang Theory as Evil!Wil Wheaton, Sheldon’s nemesis was epic!

WHEEAAATTOOOONNNNN!!! (I’ve been dying for an excuse to do that!)

Epic indeed! Can’t wait for the rematch. heh

He was good in Leverage too. Have you seen any of the videos from W00tstock? Good stuff. There was even a live version of Do You Wanna Date My Avatar. I was at the LA gig, and it was awesome. Totally worth going when they tour next year.

ETA: Better topical subject!

BTW, I just saw that Kris’ album is now available for download on U.K. iTunes’ ¦

Will be interesting to see how he does there.

what I want is for Adam’s single to progressively get more adds and receive more spins as the weeks go on, which is what has happened with Kris’ single. I would also like radio station PD’s to get off their collective rears and start giving Allison some spins already!

WHEEAAATTOOOONNNNN!!! (I’ve been dying for an excuse to do that!)

Dammit, you beat me to it. ERRRRIIIIIINNNNN!

He’s at a Boys Like Girls concert LOL

Seriously? Listening to my iPod today, I randomly wondered what Cook would sound like singing Hero/Heroine. (Dig that song, but not a huge fan of Martin Johnson’s voice….)

Wait, he has an ass?

Yes. And he’s not afraid to use it. Ha, I totally want to go pantz shopping with Cook and Tiemann. You know, to offer a helpful third opinion.

wellhesback
11/15/2009 at 9:56 pm
Damn I wish RCA would put out a live CD from Cookie’s show or a deluxe DCTR before he puts out DCTR # 2

I have $25 just sitting on my kitchen counter with his name on it. Come on Cook, you know you want to…

Can we just talk about his ass some more?

Wait, he has an ass?

How did going around and giving a few radio interviews help LLWD? It wasn’t doing ANY better at two weeks out. Do you have any facts to back up that LLWD was doing that much better than FYE at the two week mark? If not, I guess Jive did a pretty poor job also and those radio gigs didn’t help.

If you want to go back and find out how LLWD after it’s first poor week, go ahead. I just remember that LLWD has had rough start, like FYE with both have different roll-out issues. And that the sales for LLWD were poor for the first week and yes, IIRC, it lost to it’s second week, like -2000 or something like that. And that after that, that the increased spins, and yes as part of that, promotions brought it some gains and last week it had an increase of 40%, IIRC, and it stabalized and wasn’t going into the 100s and had some increases with the MV, had some increases from Conan so that it’s made jumps of like 40 places in the iTunes chart in the past few days. And the spins are going the right way, up. Though perhaps more modestly than before. But it’s building momentum to his album being available in just two days. Oh and EEEEEEE. I’m so excited! I’m peeved I have to do corporate training crap Tuesday and Wednesday so I won’t get to enjoy. Stupid corporations, don’t they realize I need real time Kris fan flailing? If they schedule me for something like that on Adam’s drop date, I’m calling in sick.

Sorry to digress, distracted by my peevement. So yeah, increased radio play, and presumably as part of that, did seem to stabalise LLWD and it’s doing better. Not great, but than neither is FYE. The sales of either suck ass. But I’ve always been one to counsel patience for LLWD, and it seems to be paying off. So I’m find with that for FYE, but I would like to see more effort put to that to help it grow. This is clearly YMMV on the last one.

sunchick
11/15/2009 at 11:01 pm

WHEEAAATTOOOONNNNN!!! (I’ve been dying for an excuse to do that!)

Dammit, you beat me to it.

I experienced an unanticipated, and remarkable release of endorphins. It’s quite satisfying. Seriously, go for it!

Aw man, I never get to geek out over this show on the ‘net. I usually to reserve to my thankfully geeky friends. I love it when I find people who watch it. Yay! Y’all made my night.

(I looked up that line. I didn’t know it by heart. I swear!)

Topic…You should totally vote for the PCAs. For BBT/ Jim Parsons and AI related stuff.

ETA:

ERRRRIIIIIINNNNN!

I C what U did there…needs one more ‘N’ though.

erin, sunchick – I too love BigBangTheory. Just haven’t been clever enough to figure out a way to tie it in to AI to post about it on this site.

That doesn’t work. It was available for spins the day it was released, just like FYE.

Add dates are when labels push for songs to be played. Take a look at Daughtry’s new single. It was released with the album, but it got very few spins before it’s add date. Then, suddenly, WHAM! Last week, it got a boatload of adds and very good spincreases.

So, should we state that this new Daughtry single (“Life After You”) has been out since July 14th and is performing badly for a song that has been out for 18 weeks? Or should we say that it’s doing very well for a song that went for adds last week? I would go with the latter.

We can’t compare apples to apples because of the add date. Add dates mean label push. Or at least it does under normal circumstances.

If FYE starts doing better than LLWD at the same number of weeks post add or LLWD starts doing better than FYE at the same number since release, then we can state that one is doing better than the other. Other than that, it’s just WAGS.

LLWD was featured as the Breakout song on this week’s AT40, and it’s getting a very favorable number from people responding to AT40′s poll about it…

http://ratethemusic.com/css_poll.cgi/at40

Meanwhile, his album also got mentioned in MSNBC.com article about Best Bets for the coming week…

Music

“Norah Jones trades her silky smooth style for a more rocking sound with her new album, ‘The Fall.’  Spin magazine gave the album three and a half stars and calls it ‘a hot-blooded soul record from the queen of the even keel.’  (On sale Nov. 17)

Two of Simon Cowell’s prodigies have new albums this week. ‘X Factor’s’  Leona Lewis releases ‘Echo,’  and ‘American Idol’s’  Kris Allen puts out his self-titled album. Who will win this battle of the talent-show winners? (On sale Nov. 17)”

Seriously? Listening to my iPod today, I randomly wondered what Cook would sound like singing Hero/Heroine. (Dig that song, but not a huge fan of Martin Johnson’s voice’ ¦.)

He could make it sound better. What about Dance Hall Drug? He could throw his own little twists on it. Neal could work his magic. Yah but is he really at a BLG concert or is that a joke to keep me on my toes? Heh I personally hope he’s getting some R&R.

ETA: Long live Dave’s chubby ass!

Two of Simon Cowell’s prodigies have new albums this week. ‘X Factor’s’  Leona Lewis releases ‘Echo,’  and ‘American Idol’s’  Kris Allen puts out his self-titled album. Who will win this battle of the talent-show winners? (On sale Nov. 17

I say Kris Allen does better than Leona. I don’t think she’s going to do that well, actually.

While I don’t think Kris will win the week, and I guess somehow this is okay and that it will be okay that it will be okay if he does less than Jodin’s 119K. Which I always thought he would be lucky to make 100K, but I thought was okay, but only for him, it appears.

There doesn’t have to be a winner here. Although, I’m sure some fans will always want that in varying degrees. The point I was trying to make is that both singles seem to be underperforming from the numbers last year. We’ve discussed the factors contributing(or not) to this decrease to death.
However, LLWD and FYE seem to be performing about the same at two weeks and we can look to LLWD to see that it has taken time and some tv exposure to make it into the top 40. (and the battle has just begun for LLWD) I’m thinking the video and the Sunday newspaper ads have had a huge effect.
I’m just trying to look at comparisons. If FYE is doing badly, then so was LLWD. If RCA sucks, then so does Jive. If it takes time for LLWD, then it will for FYE.

erin, sunchick ‘“ I too love BigBangTheory. Just haven’t been clever enough to figure out a way to tie it in to AI to post about it on this site.

PCAs! The PCAs! Use and abuse it. lol

I’m not going to get into it, but I really do mean it when I say “please vote for them.” It’s not just a fannish thing. If you like the show, show them some love.

Kirsten, you are the voice of reason. Never stop being awesome, and I’ll never stop kissing your ass.

ETA:

ETA: Long live Dave’s chubby ass!

Love it!

Kris is on LA Times Smart List this week and the writer picks him over John Mayer, not sales wise anyway.

http://biturl.cc/WB3

Click on #3

It’s going to be a long fall and winter. *sigh*

G’night all!

girlygirl
11/15/2009 at 11:26 pm

LLWD was featured as the Breakout song on this week’s AT40, and it’s getting a very favorable number from people responding to AT40′s poll about it’ ¦

http://ratethemusic.com/css_poll.cgi/at40

Your link isn’t working for me.

Oh, and wellhesback, the reason I joked that sunchick’s exclamation needed another ‘N’ is because my name is spelled Erinn, with two ‘n’s. j/k

We can’t compare apples to apples because of the add date. Add dates mean label push. Or at least it does under normal circumstances.

You mean Jive wasn’t pushing LLWD the first two weeks? But, what about those radio interviews and gigs Kris was doing?
Those first two weeks Kris and Jive were doing promotion. The spins have to make some kind of difference. It was at least a start to help the spins after the add date. We can’t just pretend those two weeks of spins didn’t happen.
At two weeks LLWD had 5 more spins than FYE.(including the extra pre-add week thrown in) At 16 days (where we are at now) FYE is doing better on the iTunes charts than LLWD was.
It still looks pretty equal to me. No one has to win or get screwed by the add dates.

However, LLWD and FYE seem to be performing about the same at two weeks and we can look to LLWD to see that it has taken time and some tv exposure to make it into the top 40.

Yes, it does take time. I’ve said that for weeks. Very few songs vault up the charts with four digit increases a week and even then, it takes several weeks to get to the top. What you like to see is that a song has a positive spincrease at a rate that will actually go somewhere. And you need adds to help with that as well.

I don’t recall LLWD getting any TV exposure prior to moving into Top 40 (it did that last weekend). TV exposure should help to move units, but I’m not sure if it will drive airplay (it might increase requests and increased sales might be taken as a sign by program managers that the song is viable. Anything is possible).

You mean Jive wasn’t pushing LLWD the first two weeks? But, what about those radio interviews and gigs Kris was doing?

Those first two weeks Kris and Jive were doing promotion. The spins have to make some kind of difference. It was at least a start to help the spins after the add date. We can’t just pretend those two weeks of spins didn’t happen.

Kris didn’t do any gigs in the first two weeks. He didn’t even do very many interviews. He released the song on Z100 on Monday. Did some press in New York and did is album cover shoot. Then, on Friday, he did an interview with Ryan on KISS. The next day he went off to London to record some more of his album and was there for at least a week.

He didn’t start doing radio interviews and gigs until after he got back from London. Kris didn’t finish recording his album until Oct 15th. Then he really started promoting the single in earnest.

I don’t recall LLWD getting any TV exposure prior to moving into Top 40 (it did that last weekend).

That’s why I highlighted the word time in my previous post! I never said it didn’t take time. This is my first year to follow the charts like many other posters on this board.
I do think the video and Sunday ads have helped LLWD jump 40 spots in the last day. I don’t think Conan had that much of an impact.

Gemini, I think you are misremembering the timeline between LLWD being played on Z100, and the add date, which ushered in the promo interviews & appearances. After premiering LLWD, Kris flew to London where he was still recording his album. If you go back through the archives you’ll see much handwringing that he was too busy recording to promote the single properly. Go through the headlines threads and you’ll be able to figure out when the interviews and concerts started with Kris. Kris debuted LLWD then basically disappeared off the radar for 2 weeks except for a few twitpics featuring him stumbling across Abbey Road and eating kangaroo.

If you want to compare spins for the two singles which had completely different circumstances surrounding their first couple of weeks following the radio debut, then do it. It seems like an unproductive exercise to me, but go for it. What really matters for both is what happens from here on out. FYE needs more adds and obviously more spins. The few stations it’s being played on aren’t enough, obviously. LLWD also needs more adds to move up the charts further. Both singles need to continue to be worked.

Eh, I’d say Conan has a bigger impact than the video. More viewers for Conan – even on a Friday night – than for VH-1. YMMV

I see Kirsten and I have basically posted the same comment. And with that, I’m done on this topic, JFC.

Now looking ahead to tomorrow’s adds.

I agree with Erinnthered. Conan > VH1. I think it was played only a couple of times this weekend but goes into the regular rotation on VH-1 tomorrow. Kris will be on VH1 next weekend promoting the music video, where I expect it will be featured on the Top 20 countdown. LLWD was also featured on AT40 with Ryan this weekend, where it was the breakout song – I’m sure a whole lot of people heard it this weekend, maybe for the first time.

“I get what you are saying bridgette12, and I hope that it turns out to be true, but honestly it sounds a little like an RCA Press Release. I’m not convinced that the rest of the world will be buying what RCA is trying to sell them. Based on what I have heard of his album thus far, Adam Lambert’s music is not unique, organic and/or cutting edge, sorry. He is an excellent singer, yes, but he is also a very polarizing singer (and I don’t mean because of his lifestyle, I am referring strictly to his voice).”

Yes, Adam is polarizing because of both his lifestyle and singing style. Adam don’t need everybody to like him or his music. He just need a very small percentage of the world’s population, to buy his music. I think it’s a matter of opinion whether something is unique, organic or cutting edge, because everybody don’t think alike. The same things that made Adam popular on the show and the tour, will also make him popular with a broader audience. When you see him perform, you don’t forget it, because it’s usually memorable. That’s the main reason I am drawn to him and his music, because his live performances is even better than his recorded performances. I love hs album and can’t wait to see how he rearranges the songs when performing them live.

One last comment because I am apparently insane.

No, nevermind.

Girlygirl – do you have the correct link to that AT40 voting thingie?

I don’t know how to link things, but if you go to i-tunes and Look for Allison’s cd it’s playing snippets of her Album and it has the snippet that Daughtry co-wrote for her album. So you can listen to it. Doesn’t have Adam or Kris’s thou.

Reminder:

The fan warring and the sarcasm? Stop it, please.

From Los Angeles Times:

You could talk about self-worshiping John Mayer, or you could talk about:
(Irfan Khan / Los Angeles Times)
Cutie pie “American Idol” Kris Allen. Both are releasing albums this week. If you are looking for McSoulful crooning, Mayer is your pre-packaged tugger of heartstrings. If you want something more adventurous, new and not yet full of itself, definitely go with Allen. (Tuesday)

http://biturl.cc/WB3

ETA: deleted per mj’s post.

Except…

At least that seems to be the case for Allison…although, not much going on there. I’m starting to think they always intended to push her only in the Latin market.

Two of Simon Cowell’s prodigies have new albums this week. ‘X Factor’s’  Leona Lewis releases ‘Echo,’  and ‘American Idol’s’  Kris Allen puts out his self-titled album. Who will win this battle of the talent-show winners?

How in the heck did Kris Allen get to be Simon Cowell’s prodigy? I’m not sure the man has even spoken to Kris since the finale, if even then.

Eh, I’d say Conan has a bigger impact than the video. More viewers for Conan ‘“ even on a Friday night ‘“ than for VH-1. YMMV

Perhaps. Conan may be a bigger audience, but its not necessarily a HAC rock music buying audience. The Vh1 countdown crowd may be more target rich for someone like Kris. YMMV.

Boston Globe review of Kris’ album

http://www.boston.com/ae/music/cd_reviews/articles/2009/11/16/kris_allen_kris_allen/?rss_id=Boston.com+–+Top+arts+and+entertainment+news

I guess Jive did a shitty job at first also!

Jive played with the hand they were dealt. Kris had to finish recording the album. You can’t ship an album that’s not finished. Jive knows that it takes a while for a single to get up the chart. They probably wanted the song to have radio support when the album dropped.

RCA chose to drop later. They either don’t feel that radio support is necessary when this album when it drops or they thought the song would climb faster (like a more established artist’s might). Or possibly, they had difficulty choosing a single or the release got tangled up with TfM’s release. Who knows?

I’m not criticizing either label, but I sometimes wonder what they are up to. Jive has chosen to take the more established strategy of single releases, so it’s likely seeing fewer people wondering what they are up to. People can just say, well, that’s what labels do (except for that sneaky Friday release to iTunes for which they received a lot of questioning about because it was not standard procedure).

(except for that sneaky Friday release to iTunes for which they received a lot of questioning about because it was not standard procedure)

It crossed my mind that that might have been a sneaky test of the size of Kris’ hard core fanbase. Didn’t we (at mj’s) know about the release date a few days ahead of time? It would be more important to know that than to worry about first week sales, given their strategy.

Jive played with the hand they were dealt. Kris had to finish recording the album.

I agree. And Adam has been busy, also.

BTW, I truly wasn’t being sarcastic. I am thrilled to hear that RCA is not behind on promotion. It’s good news to me. No sarcasm!

Jive had that weird Friday release, crappy single cover, and didn’t put up a banner. Allison’s roll-out has been strange and a complete failure so far.

RCA has had just as many problems-not to mention the iTunes craziness.

So, the Boston Globe finds Kris’s album unadventurous, and the LA Times recommends it as more adventurous than John Mayer, someone who reinvents his style every few years. This is why I don’t usually pay attention to reviews.

One recommends Red Guitar, with Kris’s most heartfelt emotions and metaphorical lyrics, the other likes Alright With Me, a fun pop confection. Sounds to me like an album that has something for everyone.

Well let’s try posting this again (stupid network issues)

He didn’t start doing radio interviews and gigs until after he got back from London. Kris didn’t finish recording his album until Oct 15th. Then he really started promoting the single in earnest.

But here’s what strikes me as different about that first lack of promotion for Kris, is that it won’t be the three weeks leading up into his album release on Nov. 17th. The single was dropped and when he had time, Kris started promoting it and he had weeks to do so before his album released. Unlike Kris, Adam wasn’t spending time after his single dropped finishing his album, the album was already wrapped up by that point. The only thing Adam has been slated to do these past few weeks has been 2012 stuff and general Adam stuff. And nothing scheduled to promote the single, but at it’s initial drop.

Anyhew, I know there is nothing any of us can do to change RCA or Jive’s actions, and certainly we probably all know each other’s stances by this part. But this was a new piece of information for me, so it interested me enough to comment on.

Anyhew, like what the LA times had to say about Kris, not so happy with the Boston Globe. And a lot more people out there like Red Guitar than I do. For me, “I Need To Know,” is most quintessentially what I like about Kris Allen. But hey, different strokes n’ all.

Oh and I saw that link on the side of the LA Times about the re-issuing of Space Jam Air Jordans. Man that bring back some good memories. I loved my Bulls in the ’90s. So good. sigh.

Wait, he has an ass?

Yes. And he’s not afraid to use it.

Bwah! I thought for sure the link would be to this epic piece of Cook banter: “Did you come here to see the hat or did you come here . . . for thissssss?”

Keel
11/16/2009 at 1:29 am

Wait, he has an ass?

Yes. And he’s not afraid to use it.

Bwah! I thought for sure the link would be to this epic piece of Cook banter: ‘Did you come here to see the hat or did you come here . . . for thissssss?’ 

Or even this?

Lots of yummy professional pictures lately, and a great review from Dallas, but seriously David doesn’t have face melting guitar skills. Neal certainly has them in spades, however. David has a face melting voice and eerrmmm ass

Conan may be a bigger audience, but its not necessarily a HAC rock music buying audience. The Vh1 countdown crowd may be more target rich for someone like Kris. YMMV.

It’s splitting hairs at this point and ultimately doesn’t matter – a bounce is a bounce regardless of where it comes from. But I have to agree with Tinawina. Based on timing and longevity of the bump I think where LLWD is sitting now is more a result of the VH1 countdown premiere and AT40 than Conan. A Tonight Show bump would have been visible through the night and morning, and would have been shorter-lived. Kris didn’t really start to move on iTunes until after VH1′s Sunday re-run (there’s also one on Tuesday) and Ryan’s show being syndicated out to its 50O+ stations. I think you guys will find VH1 a surprisingly good sales driver – Cook’s singles and album consistently saw a bump every single time either of his videos appeared on the top 20 countdown. I suspect it will be the same for this year’s crew.

Bwah! I thought for sure the link would be to this epic piece of Cook banter: ‘Did you come here to see the hat or did you come here . . . for thissssss?’ 

Holy crap. I’m supposed to be asleep, and I just got hit with the ginormous time suck that is watching DC’s “banter” videos on YT. Gah!

I forgot how much I liked him as a person. I’d love to hang out with the guy. I just wish his music was more my style.

You could talk about self-worshiping John Mayer, or you could talk about:
(Irfan Khan / Los Angeles Times)
Cutie pie ‘American Idol’  Kris Allen. Both are releasing albums this week. If you are looking for McSoulful crooning, Mayer is your pre-packaged tugger of heartstrings. If you want something more adventurous, new and not yet full of itself, definitely go with Allen. (Tuesday)

Not a John Mayer fan, but that was harsh.

ETA: this was the whole review?

http://biturl.cc/WB3

LOL, not good for Mayer, but nice for Kris. Although I’ll probably pick up Mayer’s album too.

(The link just takes you to the entertainment page. I didn’t see the review)

LOL That’s all they had to say about Kris vs. Mayer? Kris wasn’t full of himself yet? Not a reason to buy either IMO. But then they aren’t advising buying either one. They’re just saying if you’re going to talk about one of the guys, talk about Kris. Rolling my eyes here. What’s the point of even putting this on their website?

“Alright With Me” is the single I’m stuck on right now. Kris’s live performance of LLWD was outstanding. The way Kris sang it on Conan was sounded better to me than on the one I heard on the internet. I was just stunned. When he was finished I thought “perfect”.

I disagree, jms. They are saying that Kris’ cd is more adventurous and the music isn’t full of itself. Definite dis on Mayer, but comparing Kris in a favorable light to Mayer could never be a bad thing. Mayer sells a ton of music. And the point about putting it on the website is to get hits; which is the reason most things are posted.

Can I rant here? Supposedly, Kris’ album will be released on Nov. 17, which is a few hours from now. And yet, I still have no idea if it will be released here in my country (The Philippines) at the same day as it does in the U.S. Darn. I hope I wont have to wait a few days more than the rest of the world — that would be too much.

Wish me luck tomorrow.

(Irfan Khan / Los Angeles Times)
Cutie pie ‘American Idol’  Kris Allen. Both are releasing albums this week. If you are looking for McSoulful crooning, Mayer is your pre-packaged tugger of heartstrings. If you want something more adventurous, new and not yet full of itself, definitely go with Allen. (Tuesday)

“Like John Mayer’s brooding soulfulness and dark good looks but would prefer to give your money to someone who’s less of a d!ck? Try Kris Allen!”

Hey, I’ll take it. Kris Drizzle!

yes, comparing Kris in a favorable light to Mayer is quite good.

Yeah Kris Drizzle!

anyone has a link for this morning Kris interview?

Did anyone else here hear Adam’s WDYWFM on Elvis Duran this morning? I was a little unsure of their conclusions. One dj liked the words. One said they definitely liked it better than the “2012 song” and FYI.
They talked about playing it w/o letting folks know who was singing it. It was an interesting conversation. Two women callers called in and both liked it. One said it had an 80′s sound the the dj agreed.

cookcricket-I didn’t hear the song, but find the dj comments nice to know. I wonder if Whataya Want From Me might really be the second single from Adam’s album. I looked at the Mediabase spin chart. For Sat. 55 spins and Sun. 20 spins.

So late to the party that the cleaners have left but you guyz! The comments on Cook’s concert photos and paens to his uh, rearview just cracked me up.

And oh my word did I just pontificate on Cook’s ass?

His ass is a thing of beauty to me, and any diminishment thereof would be a tragedy of Global proportions.

I actually can still remember the first time on the tv they did like a 360 revolving camera thing and I was like oooo, that booty. And that was when he was still dressing from his distressing “Last Week’s Laundry” collection.

*is ashamed* too