Idol Headlines for 11/09/09

Kris Allen stream is UP!!!!!!

live stream

http://music.aol.com/new-releases-full-cds/#/1

I so want to hear the live stream but I’m blocked at work….

omg… off to listen to Kris cd!!!!

Thanks for the heads up! =D

You may want to add Part 2 of the Philippines Daily Inquirer article about Adam found here: http://showbizandstyle.inquirer.net/entertainment/entertainment/view/20091108-235065/Why-women-still-want-this-gay-Idol

I like Kris’ album a lot so far.

Okay, I haven’t watched the x-factor clips. The Jedward talk is everywhere, though, so I’m getting curious! Is it worth searching out the clips for the lulz?? Someone give me an honest answer!

While I was looking at PopEater to find news of Kris’ livestream, I ran across this:

Britney ‘Extremely Upset’ in Australia

Poor Brit is being raked over the coals for lip-synching by government officials! Is Jordin Sparks still opening for her?

Gah! I don’t have time to listen. So I just picked one.

“Bring it Back” is love. Is that the Eg White one?

Yes, Bring it Back is the Eg White collab. I am listening to Red Guitar right now– it’s flipping awesome. LOVE KRIS!!!

I’m on “Is It Over” and it has a real old school soul vibe. Cool beans!

Nevermind, too slow again.

I grew up watching Donny Osmond and thought he was cute as a lot of little girls did. I have never even heard of “Crazy Horses”. I did buy one of his latest CD’s recently and it’s really pretty good. Sort of Adult Contermporary. Lyndsey did a great interview. Guess I’ll have to check out more of his music on iTures.

Some David Cook Cookie crumbs –
I stole this from a blog, re DC’s new tattoo “Well no one is going to get the meaning of the 14 tattoo out of that one. A fan just talked to him after the show in Dallas. The bastard said he was not going to reveal the meaning, cause he is having too much fun reading all the speculation.”

and I posted this in yesterday’s headlines, but very late; a short, good review of Cook’s concert last night. longer one coming
http://musicblog.dallasnews.com/archives/2009/11/we-were-there-david-cook-at-th.html

I think you’re missing the link to the EW blog from CMA rehearsals even though you got one paragraph from it. Here’s the link:

http://music-mix.ew.com/2009/11/08/cma-rehearsal-sunday-brad-paisley-carrie-underwood/

It’s really good! CMA spoilers plus yet another journalist realizes that Carrie is funny and cool! I can’t wait for the Brad & Carrie song parodies.

I’ve been told that you go onto the 2012 website, you can stream Adam’s TfM video, but it isn’t working for me (click on the lefthand side):

http://bit.ly/3oV4Zd

re DC’s new tattoo ‘Well no one is going to get the meaning of the 14 tattoo out of that one. A fan just talked to him after the show in Dallas. The bastard said he was not going to reveal the meaning, cause he is having too much fun reading all the speculation.’ 

BASTARD! On the other hand… have we ever known DC to keep a “secret” like that for too long? I think he admitted he was Davey Danger on the Bowling For Soup record relatively recently. It’ll come out, eventually, I think. Just sucks that it may be months…

Since Kris’s CD is streaming a week before it’s release does that mean that Adam’s album might stream next week? That would be so fabulous!

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Wouldn’t be at all surprised to see Adam’s album streaming on AOL next week

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11/09/2009 at 11:33 am
Since Kris’s CD is streaming a week before it’s release does that mean that Adam’s album might stream next week? That would be so fabulous!”

Took the question right out of my mouth. Yes, that would be frickin’ awesome!

Love that Maura woman in the NPR interview. Whenever anyone shows up on “All Things Considered” it’s a pretty good thing.

I think he admitted he was Davey Danger on the Bowling For Soup record relatively recently. It’ll come out, eventually, I think. Just sucks that it may be months’ ¦

Wait. Davey Danger? Can someone explain. I knew Andy was involved with Bowling For Soup.

It’ll come out, eventually, I think. Just sucks that it may be months’ ¦

LOL yeah he said he’s having fun reading all the speculation on Twitter. Maybe if people shut up and stop speculating he’ll get bored and fess up? He’s probably doing the same thing with all the speculation about whatever the “surprises” are. He obviously likes tormenting us.

Some David Cook Cookie crumbs ‘“
I stole this from a blog, re DC’s new tattoo ‘Well no one is going to get the meaning of the 14 tattoo out of that one. A fan just talked to him after the show in Dallas. The bastard said he was not going to reveal the meaning, cause he is having too much fun reading all the speculation.’ 

Is he reading how ugly it is? Because, even though it ain’t my body and my opinion is of zero importance, that’s how I feel about it. Note to Cook: You can buy jerseys with the numbers of sport figures on them; you don’t have to have the numbers tattooed on your body.

Wait. Davey Danger? Can someone explain. I knew Andy was involved with Bowling For Soup.

Here’s the wiki page for their 2006 album.

If you look at the credits section, looks like the band had a lot of friends involved, including a lot of guys from DC’s Tulsa crew:

Various gang vocals, whistling, driking, laughing, poking and prodding in Tulsa, OK: Greg Lobdell, Neal Tiemann, BRANDO, Bryan Jewett, Andy Skib, Alexis “Lyndsay” Skib, Josh Center, Davey Danger

RCA Nashville has put a press release about Danny’s single (along with two new press photos) on their site. They mention that Danny’s single will be shipped to country music radio stations in mid-November.

http://www.sonybmgnashville.com/pressreleases/details.cfm?artistid=1000045&pressid=1000827

Now I’m mostly curious where that nickname came from. ROFL

I think I will sit back and enjoy the speculation as well re: his the 14. Kind of interesting to read all the theories, LOL.

Thanks sma11ie. I see now. Davey Danger is a curious nickname. Maybe he
got it because he ran out in front of a car or something. Haha

I strangely like the 14 tattoo. At first I didn’t and now I do.

I haven’t really been following The X-Factor at all, but I do know that Simon said the show would be “ruined” if the twins won. So could somebody kindly explain how he could, for all intents and purposes, vote to put them through? He fully deserves the backlash that he’s getting now. The show may or may not not be ruined, but his credibility (such as it is) is in shambles.

Just learned that Adam and Kris will have a concert as announced by Ryan Seacrest. I think it has something to do with Ryan’s radio show. I’d rather have them going solos.

That Donny Osmond interview by Lyndsey Parker is really good! I was never a big fan of his, but he’s always been on my distant radar since I think we’re the same age. It was interesting how he felt he had to put out a song of his as from a mystery artist, because if his name was known, he wouldn’t have been given the time of day (and the song was good)! And the Crazy Horses ROCK album–what!? I totally missed that! The Osmond’s rocked?! Maybe I should have paid more attention. Today’s artists can certainly learn a thing or two from the peaks and valleys that inevitably occur in a long career like Donny’s. Good for him staying the course and enjoying a bit of a comeback!

I strangely like the 14 tattoo. At first I didn’t and now I do.

I like it too. I hate the eye tattoo and will probably never grow to like it but the 14 for some reason I like. I like the coloring. That shirt he wore last night UMPH. I thought it complimented his arms, erm, I mean the tattoo quite nicely..

I think the “14″ looks awkward now, but once it’s incorporated into the sleeve he apparently wants it will be fine. Anything that takes attention away from the hideous eyeball is a plus though.

I don’t think David Cook cares if people like his tattoos. As I don’t think Adam Lambert cares if some people don’t like that he wears make-up. They are both examples of people with a strong sense of self, and I’m sure that will stand both of them in good stead.

I like it too. I hate the eye tattoo and will probably never grow to like it but the 14 for some reason I like. I like the coloring. That shirt he wore last night UMPH. I thought it complimented his arms, erm, I mean the tattoo quite nicely..

Hehehe. Sure……its the tattoo it complimented. But I also will never like that eye. It scares the crap out of me. And I also liked the coloring of the tattoo, its soooo blueeeee.lol Man, I must be bored.

Confirmed! Go here:

http://www.whowillsurvive2012.com/?hs308=TTM043C

Adam’s video streaming on 2012 website. FINALLY!!!

Just learned that Adam and Kris will have a concert as announced by Ryan Seacrest. I think it has something to do with Ryan’s radio show. I’d rather have them going solos.

I think Allison’s also featured. I’m not understanding why they want to market them all together like this. The AI season and tour are over. My only thought is that separately, they, as individual artists, don’t draw as much bodies as they do collectively. Interesting indeed.

The AI season and tour are over. My only thought is that separately, they, as individual artists, don’t draw as much bodies as they do collectively. Interesting indeed.

How would this be known? The only one who has done any concert appearances has been Kris. Adam and Allison have done none yet, so who knows what their ability to draw concert bodies is yet?

I don’t think David Cook cares if people like his tattoos.

Nope, but it won’t stop fans from providing their opinions haha. For the record (in case anyone cares, heh), I love the AC and the grey ribbon, really like the Rock Flag Eagle, like the 14, am only marginally okay with the throbbing heart (it’s at least funny), and really dislike the eye (I won’t go so far to hate it because I like the meaning, but really do strongly dislike it).

Danny has just said on Twitter, that his single will be available for purchase December 8 on his website, and available December 15 on Itunes. His latest Tweet mentioning these things:

dannygokey Just found out my single “it’s only” will b available 4 purchase @ http://www.dannygokey.com Dec.8 & iTunes Dec.15~U can go there now 2 hear 4 free

I don’t think David Cook cares if people like his tattoos.

Probably not in the least bit, but I still like amusing myself with my opinions. hehe The throbbing heart is hm… interesting. I like the idea he might have got it while intoxicated because that justifies it. Now, Im not really coherent today am I?

All I know is, in the latest tour videos since he’s gotten the tattoo, it’s all I can focus on. When it distracts me like that, it can’t be a good thing.

How would this be known? The only one who has done any concert appearances has been Kris. Adam and Allison have done none yet, so who knows what their ability to draw concert bodies is yet?

It’s not. I just find it odd that they are keeping Kradison alive. Cut the cord already. See if they can sink or swim on their own merits, if you will.

Hm, I have never been distracted by David Cook’s Gigantic Eyeball Tatoo at any of his concerts. And that is one fugly and skeery tattoo. Heh. I’m too busy watching him sing and his kick ass band rock out.

Re David Cook – I think he got the heart tattoo after a Tulsa paper called him a hearthrob and his buddies teased him about it.
I was under the impression that his named wasn’t used on the Bowling for Soup CD because it came out during his idol run and that wouldn’t be allowed – even tho his part was really, really minor.

After his concert in Napa last night, Kris and Cale met a couple of ontd_ai members, who talked them into taking part in an AIM chat they were doing. Here’s video of that. Some of Kris’ reactions to the questions are very funny. And he gives them some info about the Mat Kearney song, and we learn what his, Cale’s and Daniel’s fave songs on the album are.

Weird that Kris didn’t even know his album was being streamed on AOL today (or he knew, but forgot the date)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4O7Iu-c4ifw

I’ve never seen David Cook’s giant eyeball tattoo. Where is it? I saw the “14″ because someone had a link to a pic, is there a link to see the eyeball? He has a heart tattoo also, right? I remember that from the show.

Eye Tattoo

Pic is from Vote for the Worst.

I am not sure where I posted this, so I will post (again? If so, I apologize):

http://www.whowillsurvive2012.com/?hs308=TTM043C

2012 website is streaming TfM video. (finally)

Not a fan of Cook’s tats (or anyone’s), so I hope Adam sticks with two. Guyliner. Check. Black nailpolish. Tats. Noooo.

Oh wow, same place as Adam’s “eye of horus” tattoo, but much bigger..lol. I wonder why I never noticed! That’s funny, but seems like a painful place for a tattoo.

Official press release on Danny’s single for RCA/Nashville website.

American Idol Finalist Danny Gokey Wakes up His Hometown with World Premiere of Debut Single, ‘It’s Only’ 

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
November 6, 2009

Nashville, TN ‘“ American Idol Season Eight finalist and new 19 Recordings/RCA Nashville recording artist Danny Gokey made a surprise call to his Milwaukee hometown this morning as WMIL / FM 106.1 offered the world premiere airing of Danny’s debut single, ‘It’s Only.’ 

Officially shipping to country radio in mid-November, the gorgeous and inspiring ballad brought waves of listener feedback cheering, ‘I love the song,’  and declaring ‘It’s Only’  as ‘touching’  and ‘awesome,’  while another listener proclaimed, ‘That song gave me goose bumps!’ 

Fans everywhere can hear the song right now on dannygokey.com, with a digital single set for release on December 15 and a full album arriving next year.

Oh wow, same place as Adam’s ‘eye of horus’  tattoo, but much bigger..lol. I wonder why I never noticed! That’s funny, but seems like a painful place for a tattoo.

Yep. They both have a tattoo on their right? wrist, they’re parents are divorced, they both have a brother, they both have worn nail polish and eye liner. They’re more alike then I thought.

Kris has an exclusive AOL roll out. He’s getting an AOL sessions, too. I don’t think Adam or Allison have similiar initiatives planned.

Last year, David Cook’s album was available for streaming on Music On Demand the week before it dropped. So maybe Adam’s album will also be available since they are both with RCA. Be prepared for the annoying Music on Demand lady that would pop up in every track though. It took me a long time to block her from my memory. Heh.

Pic is from Vote for the Worst.

I think it looked even worse then because that was taken like the day after he got it so it was much more vibrant LOL The eye tattoo is VERY prominent in that AI commercial that featured Light On. In the shot where he’s laying on the bed it’s almost distracting.

That’s funny, but seems like a painful place for a tattoo.

Yep. My husband has a small tattoo in the same spot (and its much smaller) and it hurt a great deal. Though IIRC David said the gray ribbon on his chest was the most painful.

New Adam article on MTV.com:

http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1625825/20091109/lambert_adam_american_idol_.jhtml

How come no one ever comments on that HUGE black flower necklace Cook seems to wear at EVERY concert now? Do they discuss it at DCO? Is it a gift from a special someone? What are the deets on this THING?

p.s. Not a fan of that necklace but respect his right to wear it, of course.

Hm, I have never been distracted by David Cook’s Gigantic Eyeball Tatoo at any of his concerts. And that is one fugly and skeery tattoo. Heh. I’m too busy watching him sing and his kick ass band rock out.

Even though I really dislike the eyeball too, it’s not as easy to see so it rarely distracts me. But, this 14 one is just too obvious. He had been developing such beautiful arms as a result of some sort of work out — don’t know if that was intentional or not — but he’s totally screwing it up with tattoos. Instead of focusing on his gorgeous muscles, I now have to look at “David Cook Brought to You by the Number 14″ (Thank you, Sesame Street for that image.)

it’s almost distracting.

Almost?

How come no one ever comments on that HUGE black flower necklace Cook seems to wear at EVERY concert now? Do they discuss it at DCO?

I’m sure they do … if they’re allowed. Let’s just be very, very grateful he hasn’t tattooed the flower on his neck … yet. I’m waiting for that one.

That damn eye tattoo was prominently shown in the AI8 commercial. Maybe someone could find a link. The commercial was cool, but that giant eyeball… yeah, you couldn’t miss it. I don’t mind the idea of an eye tattoo at the wrist, but DC’s is too big and too ugly. The throbbing heart is kinda ugly too, but at least it’s generally hidden and kind of funny.

The best tattoo ever will always be the AC. Does anyone know if DC designed that himself? Meaning aside (and it’s pretty cool meaning), I just think objectively that it’s quite beautiful and unique.

Ah, David Cook’s accessories. Remember all the bling he used to wear on the AI7 tour? I think those were all gifts from fans. He used to wear pounds of it. Hee. Good times.

How come no one ever comments on that HUGE black flower necklace Cook seems to wear at EVERY concert now? Do they discuss it at DCO? Is it a gift from a special someone? What are the deets on this THING?

Sorry for post-ho’ing but I can’t edit. The black rose necklace is part of a set. Neal has the other one, and his is a pistol, i.e. these guys are “Guns n Roses”. Yeah, the necklace is kind of hideous, but I love that those boys decided to wear matching necklaces. It’s adorkable and aww.

Better photo of DC’s eye tattoo on this page -http://davidcooksfan.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/08/david-cook-eye-tattoo.jpg
Cook never showed the heart tattoo on Idol, but flashes it nicely in this vid
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B2t4bx1G76M

Instead of focusing on his gorgeous muscles, I now have to look at ‘David Cook Brought to You by the Number 14′ ³ (Thank you, Sesame Street for that image.)

Now I’m going to think of that every time. Great.

That damn eye tattoo was prominently shown in the AI8 commercial. Maybe someone could find a link. The commercial was cool, but that giant eyeball’ ¦ yeah, you couldn’t miss it.

Ask and ye shall receive

The black rose necklace is part of a set. Neal has the other one,

Neal — again?!

ETA: (I’ve decided to blame him for inspiring Cook’s sleeve plans).

Let’s just be very, very grateful he hasn’t tattooed the flower on his neck ‘ ¦ yet. I’m waiting for that one.

Never thought about Cook getting a neck tattoo. Wait — doesn’t NEAL have neck tattoos? OHHHHHH NOOOOOOOO!

and here’s a photo of Cook’s lovely AC tattoo, and I’m done
http://community.livejournal.com/ohnotheydidnt/22387694.html?page=2

I’m not fond of the giant eyeball of death tattoo, but there’s one pic on his album that cracks me up. It’s the one where he’s holding his wrist over his real eye. They were pretty tiny pics so I doubt if I could find one to post… Does ask and ye shall receive work here too?

Cook never showed the heart tattoo on Idol, but flashes it nicely in this vid

AHHH ROTFL I was there in the 2nd row for that. The massive flailing that happened was freaking hysterical and the video doesnt quite capture the level of shrieks. There were these two youngish guys in back of me and one of them said after it all quieted down “you’d think these women never saw a guys chest before” LOL

I never could figure out if the prominent display in that commercial was intentional. I’m assuming it was as ugly as it is. I know the whole promise behind the commercial was to show him as a rockstar so maybe the tatt added to that?

and here’s a photo of Cook’s lovely AC tattoo, and I’m done
http://community.livejournal.com/ohnotheydidnt/22387694.html?page=2

What’s wrong with it? I like it and it’s for his brother so that’s very sweet.

Neal ‘” again?!

ETA: (I’ve decided to blame him for inspiring Cook’s sleeve plans).

I blame Neal for pretty much everything stupid DC does. Neal is a baaad influence I tell you! But I still love him, and the band would only be half as good without him.

Ah, David Cook’s accessories. Remember all the bling he used to wear on the AI7 tour? I think those were all gifts from fans. He used to wear pounds of it. Hee. Good times.

Yep. Cute.

http://www.davidcookofficial.com/us/content/david-cook-has-a-huge-heart (see first pic)

Oh wow, same place as Adam’s ‘eye of horus’  tattoo, but much bigger..lol. I wonder why I never noticed! That’s funny, but seems like a painful place for a tattoo.

A few peeps have actually speculated on why Cook seems to get tattoos in the most painful of places. The first one — on the sternum — he said was the most painful one he’s had done, and I’ve read that the sternum is in the top 5 most painful places to get tattoos.* The rule is that tattoos will often be the most painful when done over the bone or places with little fat and lots of nerves. Besides the sternum one, he’s got two on the underside of both his upper arms, one inside his right wrist and then the newest on the inside of his right forearm. The goofy heartthrob tattoo on the chest seems to be in the least painful place (assuming boys have some fat in the boobage area too — which Cook kinda does (*snerk*)).

*By the way, the most painful places for tattoos? #1=eyeball and #2=down there or your lips (lots of nerves). Okay, I’ll stop.

this thread should be retitled “DC’s Adornments”…

Oh wow, same place as Adam’s ‘eye of horus’  tattoo, but much bigger..lol. I wonder why I never noticed! That’s funny, but seems like a painful place for a tattoo.

I have a wrist tattoo- it was not painful at all.
My neck tat hurt the worst of my standard tattoos but none of them can even come close to the pain of permanent eyeliner. I’ve had that done maybe four times now and those lower lids hurt like a SOB.

Oh – Squirrely – I love that lovely AC tattoo (and the handsome arms, DC in general). Don’t know how you got the impression I didn’t.
I’m just done with the tattoo pix – I think.

Now I’m going to think of that every time. Great.

You’re welcome!

I blame Neal for pretty much everything stupid DC does. Neal is a baaad influence I tell you! But I still love him, and the band would only be half as good without him.

I think this sort of thing — tattoos, body piercing, the earlobe deal — is an addiction with Neal. I’m serious. And I’m afraid he’s metaphorically “passing the pipe” to DC.

this thread should be retitled ‘DC’s Adornments’ ’ ¦

Haha. Sorry, but it’s a slow news day for those of us who can’t stream Kris’ album at the moment. I bet the sternum one was a mother to endure, and I have a feeling that’s why DC chose to put it there. Ever had someone show you the sternal rub? It’s ridic. I’ve also heard that the underside of the arms where DC has the AC and the Rock Flag & Eagle is really painful as well. Not sure why though, since that’s not really boney. Maybe lack of fat and a lot of nerves?

And I’m afraid he’s metaphorically ‘passing the pipe’  to DC.

You’re killing me!!! I’ve got to get off this thread. TOO FUNNY!

Well I like most of DC’s tattoos, but the eyeball thing is ugly, though I thought his explanation of it was really cool. Still doesn’t make up for skeery ugly tattoo. And not fond of that 14, despite it’s nice colouring. I’m with Sassycatz on this one, it looks like he’s being brought to you by the number and it looks like he is wearing it instead of a jersey. Which was my first reaction when I saw it, was ‘oh, how superfan of you.’ Not that it had some meaning to his music or life. Sorry.

But all of that is still better than getting a sleeve. Not a fan of most of them.

Adam Lambert Says He’s More Like Beyonce Than Daughtry: ‘American Idol’ runner-up says ‘most female pop stars right now’ are as influenced by musical theater as he is.

So Beyonce is musical theatre? Hee.

I am just so glad that Adam is finally referring to himself as a pop star. There is nothing wrong with being a pop star.

Adam Lambert Says He’s More Like Beyonce Than Daughtry: ‘American Idol’ runner-up says ‘most female pop stars right now’ are as influenced by musical theater as he is.

Who in the world thought Adam Lambert was like Daughtry? Lambert isn’t even like Cook and Cook’s far more varied than Daughtry.

I bet the 14 is something ridiculously stupid. Guy is a wiseass. His latest tweet:

thedavidcook Celebrating @andyskib’s bday with @montyanderson & peek @ @pandaexpress @ the @mall. Where u @?

He’s too young to have what I call groan-inducing “dad humor”. But I luv him for it. Hilariously, @pandaexpress is an actual person on twitter.

Probably the same people who thought Adam was going to be a rock god. Pop, maybe. Rock, hardly. Heh.

seriously
11/09/2009 at 1:07 pm
Oh wow, same place as Adam’s ‘eye of horus’  tattoo, but much bigger..lol. I wonder why I never noticed! That’s funny, but seems like a painful place for a tattoo.

Yep. They both have a tattoo on their right? wrist, they’re parents are divorced, they both have a brother, they both have worn nail polish and eye liner. They’re more alike then I thought.

They both have a background in musical theater as well…

I blame Neal for pretty much everything stupid DC does. Neal is a baaad influence I tell you! But I still love him, and the band would only be half as good without him.

I’ve seen other fans say this before and I frankly I don’t get why people think this. First, I really don’t think of David as quite so impressionable (or even at all). I think given his penchant for marking stuff with AC for most of his life and his love for his older bro, the grey matters ribbon and AC tattoos were inevitable, with or without Neal. Second, as someone who’s got ink herself, I can safely say that they’re a lot like french fries: You can’t have just one. Finally, something tells me that those two are truly birds of a feather and complement each other’s personalities really well. Also, David is more than perfectly capable of doing stupid stuff on his own (not that tattoos are stupid per se (IMO)).

He’s too young to have what I call groan-inducing ‘dad humor’ . But I luv him for it. Hilariously, @pandaexpress is an actual person on twitter.

I haaaaate Dad humor. My Dad is the king of all the cheesiest jokes in the world. Horrible I tell you!

I’ve also heard that the underside of the arms where DC has the AC and the Rock Flag & Eagle is really painful as well. Not sure why though, since that’s not really boney. Maybe lack of fat and a lot of nerves?

Here is the point where I insert a comment about his arms.

There is never a bad time to insert a comment about his arms.

Aw, smallie, cut Cookie some slack – he’s on a day off; he & some of the others are making sure Andy has a birthday he’ll regret tomorrow. So, it’s not his best tweet, eh.

I’ve seen other fans say this before and I frankly I don’t get why people think this. First, I really don’t think of David as quite so impressionable (or even at all).

Yeah, i think because Neal is the piercings and tattoo guy people assume it. But during the tour David and Neal were seen wearing the same ring, this one.
The speculation was that it was Neal’s ring and his kind of thing. But one day someone asked Neal about it and he said it was David’s ring, but he also liked it so he borrowed it from David.

Still on Neal and David but music related, this was posted on TWOP by someone who went to the show last night:

I met a holy grail last night…Neal’s dad. He was a very gracious, conservative type who is very proud of his son. Neal looks a lot like him and, when asked how Neal became interested in guitar, he said that at age 10 he was playing hide and seek and found his dad’s old guitar in a closet and took an immediate interest. He is mostly self taught. I am having a hard time equating Neal and hide and seek. LOL!

One more thing. I really caught myself fangirling about Neal’s writing and his dad said the plan was to have most of the sophomore album written by David and Neal. *fingers crossed*

I think he broke his @ key with that. Based on his tweet last night somehow I wasn’t imagining Andy’s b’day celebration happening at a mall – how hardcore! Then again it is early heh.

Oh Janus, I am now remembering David doing Singing in the Rain, lol!

I actually don’t mind Adam’s Eye of Horus tattoo, but DC’s eyeball is scary!

I just flailed at the thought of a second album written mostly by Neal.
Hoo to the ray! WHOOOOOOO.

David and Neal writing most of album 2 together. Happy sigh.

I love the Eye. It makes me laugh because it seems so him. I try to outstare it without blinking. It always wins.

One more thing. I really caught myself fangirling about Neal’s writing and his dad said the plan was to have most of the sophomore album written by David and Neal. *fingers crossed*

Oh – pleeeeeaaaase make this true: an album written by DC and Neil is the Holy Grail :lol

One more thing. I really caught myself fangirling about Neal’s writing and his dad said the plan was to have most of the sophomore album written by David and Neal. *fingers crossed*

Oh pleeeaaaaase make this true. An album written by Cook and Neil? T’is the Holy Grail truely! :lol

Chicagolaw
11/09/2009 at 2:24 pm
Oh Janus, I am now remembering David doing Singing in the Rain, lol!

I actually don’t mind Adam’s Eye of Horus tattoo, but DC’s eyeball is scary!

Ha-ha! That was pretty funny…who says DC can’t dance

suebrody
11/09/2009 at 12:35 pm
Confirmed! Go here:

http://www.whowillsurvive2012.com/?hs308=TTM043C

Adam’s video streaming on 2012 website. FINAL,

suebrody, thanks for all the Adam links…you are a true fan

Probably the same people who thought Adam was going to be a rock god. Pop, maybe. Rock, hardly. Heh.

He’s a rocker to me.

Aw, smallie, cut Cookie some slack [...] So, it’s not his best tweet, eh.

Haha, no worries, I still luv him. I say DC has groan-inducing dad humor in the most endearing sense. I mean, I definitely chuckled @ all the @ symbols.

I blame Neal for pretty much everything stupid DC does.

I’ve seen other fans say this before and I frankly I don’t get why people think this.

I’m with you, Keel, I don’t blame Neal either. I only blame David Cook for all the stupid things David Cook does. And I’m using both “blame” and “stupid” in the positive sense. Cuz if my reaction to his stupid tweets is any indication, I can only blame David Cook and his stupid little self for every baaad joke or ugly tat or stupid thing he says or does. Cuz none of these stupid things are able to make me luv him less, and 90% of them somehow make me luv him more. It’s like, he’s my kid (which is weird, cuz I’m his age) and I’ve decided his poop always smells wonderful, his bad choices are always forgiven, and his stupid little quirks are endearing. I’m hopeless, really .

One more thing. I really caught myself fangirling about Neal’s writing and his dad said the plan was to have most of the sophomore album written by David and Neal. *fingers crossed*

Well, there’s a piece of good news (if it actually turns out to happen) that helps me push aside the ugly-ass tattoos for a moment.

However, I thought that Neal, as well as Andy, were going to be working on their own projects during Cook’s band’s down time. That led me to believe that Cook would be spending his time writing mainly with other people. Good to know this may not be the case.

All I ask, though, is that they — as a band — take these new songs and work them up (as if they were on the road with them) BEFORE they record them for the album. Play with the songs for a while, so we end up with an album full of such songs as the POST-I Did it for You and not the PRE-tour version.

Don’t over produce and airbrush them to death. Let’s have some raw energy on this album.

I’m with you, Keel, I don’t blame Neal either. I only blame David Cook for all the stupid things David Cook does. And I’m using both ‘blame’  and ‘stupid’  in the positive sense.

I guess I shouldn’t blame him. I meant stupid in a good way. Like that eye tattoo…. hehe. Neal is my Davey Danger scapegoat. haha

He’s a rocker to me.

Adam is a rock star singer just like Gerry Spence is a rock star lawyer- it’s attitude, not genre

All I ask, though, is that they ‘” as a band ‘” take these new songs and work them up (as if they were on road with them) BEFORE they record them for the album. Play with the songs for a while, so we end up with an album full of such songs as the POST-I Did it for You and not the PRE-tour version.. . Let’s have some raw energy on this album.

Word to Sassycat.

Probably the same people who thought Adam was going to be a rock god. Pop, maybe. Rock, hardly. Heh

not in the least are you the determinant of who is a rock god either. one man’s meat is another one’s poison. ‘nuf said.

Adam is a rock star singer just like Gerry Spence is a rock star lawyer- it’s attitude, not genre

I’ll go with that! A lot of people get caught up in the pop/rock debate when it’s the STAR part that is most fitting, IMO.

I feel like saying Adam is a pop star is a put-down, and I don’t think it should be taken as such. I wouldn’t classify Adam as a Daughtry type of singer, tho he certainly did well with BTBW, WLL, and SR. I think dancey and introspective both work better for him.

Anyway…can I get some upbeat Adam news, b/c today kind of sort of sucks for me. Thanks.

ITA: Star works well for me.

All I ask, though, is that they ‘” as a band ‘” take these new songs and work them up (as if they were on road with them) BEFORE they record them for the album. Play with the songs for a while, so we end up with an album full of such songs as the POST-I Did it for You and not the PRE-tour version.. . Let’s have some raw energy on this album.

That right there is best idea since sliced-bread.

Based on his tweet last night somehow I wasn’t imagining Andy’s b’day celebration happening at a mall ‘“ how hardcore! Then again it is early heh.

Haha. I’m guessing they started celebrating after midnight, and just woke up to grab some Chinese good to soak up the alcohol before resuming the partying later tonight? But who knows. They might’ve gone on the road right after last night’s show in Dallas and only just got into St Louis.

All I ask, though, is that they ‘” as a band ‘” take these new songs and work them up (as if they were on the road with them) BEFORE they record them for the album. Play with the songs for a while, so we end up with an album full of such songs as the POST-I Did it for You and not the PRE-tour version.

Don’t over produce and airbrush them to death. Let’s have some raw energy on this album.

Well I think it will help that David won’t have the same typical AI time rush to finish his album. Plus I think he’ll have less intereference from the studio, and more (though not complete of course) autonomy in making his songs to his vision and talents. Just a thought and hope for him.

One more thing. I really caught myself fangirling about Neal’s writing and his dad said the plan was to have most of the sophomore album written by David and Neal. *fingers crossed*

**does happy dance**

Wasn’t Slezak supposed to weigh in on the FYE snippets? Did I miss his(and his mom’s) review?
And I agree, Rock Star/God is an attitude and Adam has it in spades.

Who in the world thought Adam Lambert was like Daughtry? Lambert isn’t even like Cook and Cook’s far more varied than Daughtry.

i thot ‘beauty they say is in the eye of the beholder
?’ thank the lord variety is the spice of life and good to know cook connects with some more than adam.

Didn’t he have songwriting sessions lined up with Raine Maida the week he got sick last month? I can’t see this next album being strictly just written by David and Neal. No way. That may be the plan but I can’t see RCA going for that. No one has had that luxury and I don’t see them giving him THAT much freedom.

Does anyone (Kirsten/Q3?) have a listing or link to whatever RCA/Sony’s rollout plan is for Adam? Wasn’t it supposed to start this week? THanks!

Didn’t he have songwriting sessions lined up with Raine Maida the week he got sick last month? I can’t see this next album being strictly just written by David and Neal. No way. That may be the plan but I can’t see RCA going for that. No one has had that luxury and I don’t see them giving him THAT much freedom.

My parade has now been rained on. But I now realize that. =/ hehe

Didn’t he have songwriting sessions lined up with Raine Maida the week he got sick last month? I can’t see this next album being strictly just written by David and Neal. No way. That may be the plan but I can’t see RCA going for that. No one has had that luxury and I don’t see them giving him THAT much freedom.

Well, it says most of , most of is not all, right? lol I also think that as long as it’s possible, David will always want to have Raine in his album. Cause Raine is Raine is Raine for David.

Didn’t he have songwriting sessions lined up with Raine Maida the week he got sick last month?

If opportunity arise a David/OLP tour would be nice.

leome – OMG how wonderful for this fan to get third-hand tidbit’s from NealfingTiemann’s Father! and yes, more writing by David and Neal (self-taught!) !!

Does anyone (Kirsten/Q3?) have a listing or link to whatever RCA/Sony’s rollout plan is for Adam? Wasn’t it supposed to start this week? THanks!

I’m not either one of them, but I do know there is no plan that is out there. There is only a quote of a plan to push it this week and nothing more beyond that. There are some presumptions and speculations of what that will entail, but thus far there is nothing set up, and nothing concrete that has been publicized.

But Adam better hope RCA really does have something plan and starts doing it now, FYE is like 76 or something on iTunes right now and he will need a lot more adds than he’s gotten right now. And of course, continue to grow spins. So I know, horse beaten, but tick tock tick tock for doing something for Adam sooner, not later. Thus far? This week is starting with zilch for Adam planned, beyond some ball in Feb. with other AI peeps. That won’t help his solo career at all.

David Cook, writing by himself, with his band, or whatever…

More MEDIOCRE music to come.

I don’t expect anything above average at this point from Cook. He doesn’t have the talent.

Time to start another rumor since it is a slow Adam news day.
Could Adam be new frontman for Aerosmith?

http://news.popstar.com/Article/1322

David Cook, writing by himself, with his band, or whatever’ ¦

More MEDIOCRE music to come.

I don’t expect anything above average at this point from Cook. He doesn’t have the talent.

Thats okay. Different strokes for different folks. Y’know.

Didn’t he have songwriting sessions lined up with Raine Maida the week he got sick last month?

My parade has now been rained on.

Or, it has been “Raine’d on”. Har har. By @rainemaida, from @ourladypeace, @getit? Sorry, dad humor again.

In seriousness, I would love for DCTR 2 to:

1) songs written by just DC
2) songs written by DC and Neal
3) songs written by DC and Raine/Chantal
4) songs written by DC/Zac Maloy and or Ed Roland
5) songs written by DC/some other cool co-writers that might be a little unexpected, maybe Ed Roland, guys from Crash Kings, some girl singer-songwriter, some more of his musical heroes
6) a good album title
7) The Anthemic playing on the disc, and credited as well
A good mix of uptempos, mid-tempos, and ballads, with good arrangements that sound like DC and The Anthemic and are not overproduced.
9) four or 5 hit singles, one of which blows up like Since U Been Gone or Before He Cheats heheheh….

I’ll probably want to add more to the list, but for now, those are my wishes. Thanks, Santa!

Kris just tweeted

KrisAllen

# Just got done doing a celebrity podcast for iTunes. Should be out pretty soon.2 minutes ago from Echofon

# Thanks for love to the people who listened to the streaming of the album. Very much appreciated. Love you guys.4 minutes ago from Echofon

Well, it says most of , most of is not all, right? lol I also think that as long as it’s possible, David will always want to have Raine in his album. Cause Raine is Raine is Raine for David.

Besides, he can write with whomever he wants, it doesn’t have to make the album. The idea, as always, is to have some choices.

6) a good album title

And include the other band members on the cover somehow, someway. Or just go with a symbol of some sort…. I know. A big old ugly-ass 14 with an eye next to it! But, don’t put an airbrushed David on it. He doesn’t need the so-called help.

My parade has now been rained on.

, it has been ‘Raine’d on’ . Har har. By @rainemaida, from @ourladypeace, @getit? Sorry, dad humor again.

That was sooo bad it was good.

ETA: I’ve always wondered what his parents were thinking when they named Raine…

edit

Tweet from Adam as well !

Meetings and more today. Planning AMA performance to For Your Entertainment. So hot, out the box

Don’t think it should happen or that it even will happen , but Adam is being called upon to front yet another classic rock group.

http://news.popstar.com/Article/1322

wellhesback
11/09/2009 at 10:53 am
‘Well no one is going to get the meaning of the 14 tattoo out of that one. A fan just talked to him after the show in Dallas. The bastard said he was not going to reveal the meaning, cause he is having too much fun reading all the speculation.’ 

David Cook is the biggest tease that ever teased. Why does that make me laugh?

The thought of David and Neal getting to write most of DCTR#2 makes me ridiculously excited ‘“ for them and for the music we might get out of it. So hoping that story has some truth to it.

“Squirrely
11/09/2009 at 2:59 pm
If opportunity arise a David/OLP tour would be nice.”

Wouldn’t it? The guys would have a blast. And based on the video we got from Hallloween, it would be a great collaboration.

ETA: totally not understanding the new edit function……..

seriously
11/09/2009 at 3:09 pm
ETA: I’ve always wondered what his parents were thinking when they named Raine’ ¦

I believe his parents named him “Michael”. No idea where the “Raine” came from.

Time to start another rumor since it is a slow Adam news day.
Could Adam be new frontman for Aerosmith?

http://news.popstar.com/Article/1322

LOL – Adam would kill singing their songs, but having a young stud fronting all those old men may not be the best thing for their image. Although I would love to see Adam and Joe Perry collaboration.

Well, I, for one think David Cook has lots of writing talent. I esp. love his songs “Straight Ahead” and “The Truth” from his album ‘Analog Heart’. I like the lines that go
“Take a minute just to breathe
and think of everything you wanted
and what you got instead”.

and of course, mileage varies

I believe his parents named him ‘Michael’ . No idea where the ‘Raine’  came from.

Since his dad is Catholic that makes sense. Now I wanna know where Raine came from. I’m gonna look it up…

ETA: While looking him up I found out he has a black belt in karate, has a brother named Adam eighteen years younger then him, and studyed criminology. Yet I couldn’t figure out about the name! It appears like most Catholics he had two middle names Raine and Anthony. A actual middle name and a spiritual one not on the birth certificate. My Dad was raised Catholic and his full name is Mark Edward Richard LASTNAME.

Tweet from Adam as well !

Meetings and more today. Planning AMA performance to For Your Entertainment. So hot, out the box

Yay and Adam tweet

The opening act for the AMAs is supposed to be announced this week. I really think it may be Adam. Newbie first up and out of the way.

Tweet from Adam!

adamlambert
Meetings and more today. Planning AMA performance to For Your Entertainment. So hot, out the box.

Not to rain on anyone’s parade. But fan recaps at bus lines or alleged conversations w/a band member’s father does not mean that Neal will be writing most of DCTR2. Heh. But hey, I’m all for more Neal and David writing sessions. I liked KOTN.

Not to rain on anyone’s parade. But fan recaps at bus lines or alleged conversations w/a band member’s father does not mean that Neal will be writing most of DCTR2. Heh. But hey, I’m all for more Neal and David writing sessions. I liked KOTN.

Shhhh! We KNOW that, you poopy pants you! LOL. Let us have our moment. **pouts**

David Cook, writing by himself, with his band, or whatever’ ¦

More MEDIOCRE music to come.

I don’t expect anything above average at this point from Cook. He doesn’t have the talent.

Clean Break
Watching, waiting for a sign from something else
To let me know that I’m not by myself
Turning points and loneliness abound
I’m better off not having you around
I’m far too blind to see
The things you’ve done to me
This time I’ve no regard
Time to put up my guard

Looking back on better days,
Keep finding pieces of myself in yesterday
Looking for another way
To break apart the sea of mediocrity.
So hold me down a minute longer;
Keep me from the things I long for
It’s time you know
I’m holding back now
Although I don’t know how
I ever let you go

Bleeding, forming scars in vain
I’m finding no shelter from the never-ending rain
I’m finding I don’t know you, I don’t know you
But I, I’ll pay you back in kind
The shit has hit the fan
Realize I’m not your man
This time I’ve no regard
Time to put up your guard

Looking back on better days,
Keep finding pieces of myself in yesterday
Looking for another way
To break apart the sea of mediocrity, oh
So hold me down a minute longer;
Keep me from the things I long for
It’s time you know
I’m holding back now
Although I don’t know how
I ever let you go

Lyrics to Leave Behind :
Seeing all my mistakes etched in stone
peeling off the layers of my soul
and I feel alone
And you stand beside me, a shadow of myself and I feel hollow, and I can’t swallow
No, it’s not fair
Nobody ever told me it would be this hard

So give me no more promises, and I’ll tell you no more lies
It’s not supposed to be this way

Reach your steady hand,
reach your promised land with or without me
‘Cause I’ve fallen far away
too far for light of day, and I cease to be
But take comfort in the fact
that I won’t be hanging on your back as you go forward
So say your prayers and say good night
Whether you’re wrong, whether you’re right, I know it’s hard
to be who you want to be

No time to sit and comprehend,
I’ve made up my mind
To be a martyr for the cause,
and I can’t pretend to mind
And you stand beside me, an outline of myself, and I feel OK, and I seem OK
No, it’s not fair
Nobody ever told me this would never end,
and it happens once again
Oh, so go and lead your own life, and leavme to mine
I’m not prepared to die

Reach your steady hand,
reach your promised land with or without me
‘Cause I’ve fallen far away
too far for light of day, and I cease to be
But take comfort in the fact
I won’t be hanging on your back as you go forward
So say your prayers and say good night
Whether you’re wrong, whether you’re right, I know it’s hard
to be who you want to be

Reach your steady hand,
reach your promised land with or without me
‘Cause I’ve fallen far away
too far for light of day, and I cease to be
And you’ll never, ever be
But take comfort in the fact
I won’t be hanging on your back as you go forward
So say your prayers and say good night
Whether you’re wrong, whether you’re right, I know it’s hard
to be who you want to be, yeah
To be who you want to be

_________________________________________________________

It’s good stuff to me, with a couple of tweaks here and there it’d be great stuff.

But that’s just my opinion and my taste, obviously.

Today seems to be the day for Idol tweets! Here’s Anoop…

anoopdoggdesai

# Thanks to everyone who came out to the show last night…and to the unc womens soccer team for convincing me to sing karaoke after it lol22 minutes ago from Echofon

And Allison…

# @SeeValDrum: http://twitpic.com/owtsw ahhhhh that’s dope!!!13 minutes ago from Echofon

# Str8 Gangsta’ hahaha12 minutes ago from Echofon

SashaB
11/09/2009 at 3:23 pm
Not to rain on anyone’s parade. But fan recaps at bus lines or alleged conversations w/a band member’s father does not mean that Neal will be writing most of DCTR2

I don’t think anyone said it did. People were just commenting on what a great thing that was to think about. Speculating about things that aren’t FOR SURE going to happen is part of the fun.

edit: the mediabase thread exists for ONE reason. So that the headlines thread isn’t filled with numbers. Please don’t double post

I will go along with the collective squee of having a mostly David & Neal written album, if it really happens.

Re: Adam’s tweet – Looking forward to it. I am really curious for what’s in store for the performance. Not from him, I think he’ll do just fine, but I’m curious what’s planned production wise…

Has anyone heard when Adam’s album will be available for pre-order on I-Tunes?

Not to rain on anyone’s parade. But fan recaps at bus lines or alleged conversations w/a band member’s father does not mean that Neal will be writing most of DCTR2. Heh. But hey, I’m all for more Neal and David writing sessions. I liked KOTN.

Shhhh! We KNOW that, you poopy pants you! LOL. Let us have our moment. **pouts**

I mean wasn’t the Raine guy rain enough? Some people and their need for facts. Oh wait, I’m a big Debbie Downer. Nevermind. Rain is good! Hey, I live in the Pacific NW, we understand rain.

Oh, man, I have to work all day and I miss the party?! Hee! Now I have an excuse (now that work is finished, thank God) and I’m half delirious from 3 hrs of sleep to watch some videos, look at pictures to ostensibly check out tattoos, dream of lots of David/Neal songs even if it is just a dream cuz a girl can dream, add Raine/David songs to dream if nothing else because that’s a lot of pretty… and wordy-worthy David lyrics because I love them. Please? And no more stretched-headed David on the cover of new album. Just put the pretty there and let it be.

And while we’re at it, Santa, please have Mr. Tease give us super secret song. I won’t ask him to save it ’til Norfolk because I’m filled with the spirit of generosity (or perhaps that’s caffeine). Just play it, dammit.

Shhhh! We KNOW that, you poopy pants you! LOL. Let us have our moment. **pouts**

Ha! Good thing I finished my soda before I got to that one or it would be decorating my monitor. LOL!

Celebrating @andyskib’s bday with @montyanderson & peek @ @pandaexpress @ the @mall. Where u @?

Giggle, I like his dad humor. He’s a dork, and I love it.

Oh, man, I need sleep. Apologies ahead of time if I post and I’m incoherent.

ohhhh so this is where everybody is…

I go back and forth on Raine Maida. I actually find him more appealing in recent years; I don’t think he takes himself quite as seriously as he used to. He did change his name legally years ago, don’t know why.

seriously: That was sooo bad it was good.

Thank you, I’m here all week. [insert unconventional Kyle-style drum roll here]

It’s good stuff to me, with a couple of tweaks here and there it’d be great stuff.

Completely agree. Analog Heart and the Axium back catalog is filled with good-potential-to-be-great stuff. Which is why I had high hopes for DCTR, since he was getting some “professional” help to nudge his songwriting over to greatness. Alas, Idol rush jobs and too many TPTB interests aren’t conducive to all that. Hopefully DCTR 2 will be, though. For the record, I do think Mr. Sensitive, Lie, Permanent, and heck, now that I think about it, a LOT of DCTR reflects really really good songwriting– it’s just that much of the record was produced/played in a way that made the songs more generic than they actually were, and did not serve to accentuated the songs’ uniqueness. To that end, can I reiterate my wish #7 for DCTR 2?

7) The Anthemic playing on the disc, and credited as well

And include the other band members on the cover somehow, someway.

My wish #10 for DCTR 2 is a BETTER COVER. Yes, can’t believe I forgot that cuz my goodness I hate his current album cover so frickin much…

data785,

The burning AMA question for me…will the whips be black, red, or cobalt blue to match his hair!!!LOL

and wordy-worthy David lyrics because I love them. Please? And no more stretched-headed David on the cover of new album. Just put the pretty there and let it be.

Yes and yes. Put the pretty there and let it be! I like that.

5 album title suggestions for Cook.(not serious)
1. Heaven Dipped in Deep-Fried Batter
2. Tattoo Remorse in 20 years
3. Where Did My Hairline Go
4. Chicks Dig My Arms
5. S’s and G’s

I keed cuz I love.

7) The Anthemic playing on the disc, and credited as well

And include the other band members on the cover somehow, someway.

My wish #10 for DCTR 2 is a BETTER COVER. Yes, can’t believe I forgot that cuz my goodness I hate his current album cover so frickin much’ ¦

Oh Ita 100%. Let them be a band for goodness sake!

David Cook, writing by himself, with his band, or whatever’ ¦

More MEDIOCRE music to come.

Isn’t that Axium stuff you laid out there? Is that mediocre? Or….

It’s good stuff to me, with a couple of tweaks here and there it’d be great stuff.

And David had nothing to do with it?

Sassycatz:

I think we’re misunderstanding each other.

The quote at the top of my post was from someone else. I couldn’t put it in quotes via edit.

I love Cook’s Axium writing: love, love, love it!

Reminder:

The mediabase and Sales numbers threads were born to keep the numbers chatter in one place.

If you post something in one thread, there’s no need to spam it to other threads. Thank you.

the perez thing about Adam is this; it says Adam wants to be more pop diva than daughtry.the only diss that jumped out at me was this,

Now, if only enough people were enjoying themselves to get your single up in the charts!

i agree unfortunately.fye isn’t doing great.I dint care but not happy either…

hersheydog1
11/09/2009 at 3:38 pm

Has anyone heard when Adam’s album will be available for pre-order on I-Tunes?

No, and I’m starting to wonder, b/c most of the ones coming out his week have already been available for pre-order. Hopefully tomorrow, two weeks (13 days) b/f the album drops. Maybe it’s b/c the tracks weren’t all in place? Dunno, really.

yknow I could be grasping at straws but , could it be fye isn’t a hit yet because it got released so soon after the album artwork .the album artwork was contreversial .idk..

The quote at the top of my post was from someone else. I couldn’t put it in quotes via edit.

Oh. Okay. For a moment, I thought “Sybil” had just signed on to the board.

He tweets some more!

thedavidcook: At the hotel. Power is on the fritz. Elevators out. ANARCHY!!!! This beer is good, though…

Ooh, sounds like fun! Makes me think of haunted house parties on Halloween. Although… I think DC’s said that he doesn’t do haunted houses. Wonder if he’s skeered. I guess the beer will help him make it through.

As in the film? :lol

I’ve had too much red wine tonight, so it’s certainly true that I’m not quite sure which mind I’m in!

Fortunately, I think they are all Cook/Axium lovers…

Has anyone gotten their hands on the total sales #’s for FYE since it was available for sale? Those numbers including all of the sites at which it was available? I haven’t seen that yet, didn’t know if I had missed it.

The saga continues

thedavidcook
And now the fire alarm is going off…. Loving today.

andyskib:
Party sirens going off for my birthday at the hotel! I can’t believe they did this all for me.

Story developing…

But I gotta go. Homework projects beckon . Someone else take over the Andy birthday tweet stalking .

4evrmomof4, no sales numbers have been released to my knowledge.

ROTFL! Maybe Neal tried to set the place on fire? But who cares as long as the beer is good right? I love a man with smart priorities.

thedavidcook
And now the fire alarm is going off’ ¦. Loving today.

andyskib:
Party sirens going off for my birthday at the hotel! I can’t believe they did this all for me.

I bet Neal tried to light the birthday cake and it all went downhill from there.

well david cook seems to be gettong his wish to have this birthday be memorable for andy!

and I’m adding a link to BEAUTIFUL pic of David & Neal because there has been so much lovely discussion of them today –
http://pics.livejournal.com/playingwithcake/pic/0000sh41/

and
here’s Cookie and everybody singing Happy Birthday to Andy at Dallas concert last night. Includes silly string
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9jMXsPdDnCg&feature=player_embedded

Has anyone gotten their hands on the total sales #’s for FYE since it was available for sale? Those numbers including all of the sites at which it was available? I haven’t seen that yet, didn’t know if I had missed it.

Not due out to later this week.

the perez thing about Adam is this; it says Adam wants to be more pop diva than daughtry.the only diss that jumped out at me was this,

Now, if only enough people were enjoying themselves to get your single up in the charts!

i agree unfortunately.fye isn’t doing great.I dint care but not happy either’ ¦

Ahh, well Perez remains his douchey self with that misleading quote. No surprise there. In fact I find it more comforting when he is, otherwise up is down, black is white, dogs and cats living together, Perez not being a douche. All very unsettling.

I can’t find where Taylor is mentioned in the NPR article although I saw the picture. Does anybody know if there are words or just the picture?

thedavidcook
And now the fire alarm is going off’ ¦. Loving today.

andyskib:
Party sirens going off for my birthday at the hotel! I can’t believe they did this all for me.

Hee! I love Andy, he’s such a cutie. My mom’s favorite – she calls him “that cute brown-haired boy.” I’m sure he’d be thrilled

hicksaholic, I didn’t listen, but I think “Do I Make You Proud” is part of the music that’s played in the background of the piece.

http://news.popstar.com/Article/1322

I wonder why the media is hell bent on making adam the lead singer of these old but great rock bands. first Queen, now Aerosmith. how can he fill this role with no rock cred ?. too funny. I wonder why they didn’t suggest David cook and Daughtry, the resident rockers of AI to fill in these positions cos apparantly they are the true rockers and Adam is nothing but a pop star.

Oh and here’s a slightly longer version of that review of David Cook’s show last night
http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/ent/music/stories/DN-davidcook_1110gd.State.Edition1.23328d6.html

hey peeps…about the perez thing, I actually (and unfortunately) went to that website or blog of his and he does have a thread up about Adam’s single not “selling well” on itunes and I gotta say if ur an Adam fan dont visit that thread…there is some seriously nasty and mean spirited dissing going on there..overall some bad energy…Perez didnt really diss Adam he actually said he liked the song but he got his facts completely wrong…he stated Adams album was coming out next week and disregarded the fact that the single was available on his website before it was on Itunes and that Itunes screwed up… he really needs to be careful cux hes gonna confuse ppl…I really hopes hes not doing that on purpose…
Its a good thing Adam is not paying any heed to all of that bullshit..hes focused on his AMA performance as he should be and he WILL blow all of those jealous haters out of the water…I just love his attitude…

Perez isn’t the only blogger who is claiming that FYE is tanking.

http://www.blackbookmag.com/article/adam-lamberts-for-your-entertainment-stalled-on-chart/12594

The Adambacklash has begun

They shld try David cook and Daughtry

No.

ETA: If anyone other than Adam I would suggest Bo Bice.

http://www.blackbookmag.com/article/adam-lamberts-for-your-entertainment-stalled-on-chart/12594

The Adambacklash has begun

I didn’t read either of these artcles – but Adam needs to start doing the radio rounds.

“becausehelives
11/09/2009 at 4:45 pm
http://news.popstar.com/Article/1322

I wonder why the media is hell bent on making adam the lead singer of these old but great rock bands. first Queen, now Aerosmith. how can he fill this role with no rock cred ?. too funny. They shld try David cook and Daughtry, the resident rockers of AI to fill in these positions cos apparantly they are the true rockers and Adam is nothing but a pop star.”

Because everyone wants Adam

And the saga continues:

@nealfingtiemann: The lights are flickering in the hotel. What is not flickering is my love of booze.

Very nice review, wellhesback, thanks!

I think staying away from Perez’s site is a good thing if you’re anybody’s fan. There’s some repulsively vile people who post there. They actually make Perez seem like David Archuleta.

amisthemanfan I read that and didn’t see where perez says the album is out next week?

honestly,the whole article by perez standards is rather positive.

bye guys going to rl for a while…

I wonder why the media is hell bent on making adam the lead singer of these old but great rock bands. first Queen, now Aerosmith. how can he fill this role with no rock cred ?. too funny. I wonder why they didn’t suggest David cook and Daughtry, the resident rockers of AI to fill in these positions cos apparantly they are the true rockers and Adam is nothing but a pop star.

Its because Adam has the voice to do it….neither David Cook nor Daughtry can sing Queen or Aerosmith songs..its not about “being a rokcer” or having “rock cred” its about vocal ability which Adam has in spades…
having said that I really think Adam wants to do his own thing and I support that…we cant live in the past, this is 2009 and he wants to a pop artist with glam rock influences but he doesnt want to be put in a box…he doesnt want to be limited by a label or marginalized as purely a “rock singer” because he can clearly do it ALL. hehe

Adam just got another add

http://addboard.mediabase.com/AddDetails.asp?Sngcde=LAMBFYE&ob=1&format=XX

Oh and here’s a slightly longer version of that review of David Cook’s show last night
http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/ent/music/stories/DN-davidcook_1110gd.State.Edition1.23328d6.html

That’s a fun review. I “resemble that experience.”

“Come Back to Me,” his sweepingly romantic current single, has the potential to be a huge hit.

Who wrote that review? Because someone should inform them CBTM is dead in the water. lol

http://www.blackbookmag.com/article/adam-lamberts-for-your-entertainment-stalled-on-chart/12594

The Adambacklash has begun

I didn’t read either of these artcles ‘“ but Adam needs to start doing the radio rounds.

Indeed, not surprised to see the “not living up to the hype,” thing. And I feel that is only going to get more, if the single doesn’t start performing better, which it has no indication it has thus far. And waiting until the day before the album drops, which is two weeks from now, won’t frame Adam’s performance at the AMAs well. Not a good way to go into that. Adam can stay positive all he wants, and certain it’s not his job to set up promotion, it’s his job to do well at it. But I know it’s only Monday, but crickets chirping and anemic radio adds, not a good combo.

neither David Cook nor Daughtry can sing Queen or Aerosmith songs.

I’m sure they can and they’ve done it before (at least David has).
I think we can ask why Adam and not all the other rock singers in the world? And maybe because right now the others are established singers with careers going on, and not a newbie still trying to make it into the industry.
I also don’t think Queen or Aerosmith are David’s or Daughtry’s style.

becausehelives
http://news.popstar.com/Article/1322

I wonder why the media is hell bent on making adam the lead singer of these old but great rock bands. first Queen, now Aerosmith. how can he fill this role with no rock cred ?. too funny. They shld try David cook and Daughtry, the resident rockers of AI to fill in these positions cos apparantly they are the true rockers and Adam is nothing but a pop star.

The reason these people keep bringing up Adam’s name is because he can hold his own again the greatest rock singers in history. Robert Plant, Steven Tyler and Freddy Mercury, to name a few.
Daughtry and Cook might be “rockers” to you but they can’t hold a candle to the voices of those people. Adam can!
It’s a joke to compare Cook and Daughtry to those greats. Roger Taylor of Queen just said “He (Adam) is a phenomenal talent, he has one of the greatest voices I’ve ever heard” That’s why they aren’t suggesting anyone else to replace those men!

amisthemanfan I read that and didn’t see where perez says the album is out next week?

I didnt really want to do this but I dont want you guys to think Im lying:
http://perezhilton.com/2009-11-09-glamberts-debut-isnt-selling

You have to look for it cuz it was posted a while ago…you have to scroll down and keep clicking next…I really shouldnt be giving more attention to this but he did post it. The one you saw is a more recent one…he still didnt correct this one though.

‘Come Back to Me,’  his sweepingly romantic current single, has the potential to be a huge hit.

Who wrote that review? Because someone should inform them CBTM is dead in the water. lol

And it sucks as a song. I saw David at the GMA summer concert thing try and sell the hell out of that song, but the material just wasn’t up to it. Excellent effort though. I think he sold it as much as anyone could.

guys, adam is on yahoo page i.e. the no 6 popular searches. go bb go!

And it[CBTM] sucks as a song. I saw David at the GMA summer concert thing try and sell the hell out of that song, but the material just wasn’t up to it. Excellent effort though. I think he sold it as much as anyone could.

Yes. I give him props for what he did with that crap. No offense to DC but “just okay” isn’t good enough for a song any more!

in all honesty, adam has a superior vocal ability to either cook or daughty and more versatile, hence the reason he can basically do all genres except country. I admit this even thou i was a cook fan last year and still like him and melinda as my other favourites. but adam just takes it all.

Is LLWD a hit in I-tunes during the first 2 weeks? It’s from the AI winner. I wonder why fans (and non-fans) are so eager to make FYE # 1. It takes time people. Although he has created a lot of buzz, Adam is still considered a newbie in the music industry.

I also don’t think Queen or Aerosmith are David’s or Daughtry’s style.

I don’t think so either, although David did pretty well with that Aerosmith song the AI producers foisted upon him at Top 3. However … Alice in Chains is a different story. DC’s done a great job with “Man in the Box,” for instance. But, David’s got another gig, and I hear Daughtry’s got a band. (Forget it’s name, though.)

in all honesty, adam has a superior vocal ability to either cook or daughty and more versatile, hence the reason he can basically do all genres except country.

I don’t think he does as well with gritty rock as they do.

Who wrote that review? Because someone should inform them CBTM is dead in the water. lol

Yeah…uh…no, not so much. Cook doesn’t like that song, his fans don’t like that song, it’s like LO Redux, and when you could have put out Avalanche or Lie…er…WTF? I still am waiting for the Lie roll-out

As for Adam, well, I can see the backlash brewing. He’s all over the media, and yet his single is not getting much airplay. Ultimately, that’s what counts, right? Airplay to sales to touring to money for record label and artist? I shall stop worrying until Wednesday. Then all bets are off.

nealfingtiemann: The lights are flickering in the hotel. What is not flickering is my love of booze.
39 minutes ago

Who else is wondering if Neal will still have a liver when he is thirty?

Well, to each their own. Placido Domingo probably has a superior vocal ability to Cook, but I’d rather listen to Cookie. Same for Adam Lambert – just don’t enjoy listening to him, vocal ability or not. Would rather listen to Cookie.

Isn’t it great there’s lots of music for everybody & AI gave us a few really special performers?

http://www.blackbookmag.com/article/adam-lamberts-for-your-entertainment-stalled-on-chart/12594

Been expecting this. And I’d guess it will get worse before it’s gets better. The over hype of Adam in the media and by some of his fans is really not helping him, it gives him and his management very little manuvering room to manage expectations and build his momentum as a successful musician. Which is really too bad because the guy definately has the pipes and the performance skills IMO. Hope it works out for him.

But, David’s got another gig, and I hear Daughtry’s got a band. (Forget it’s name, though.)

LOL. Love it. We’re seriously back to the “Adam/Chris/David is a ROCKER, Adam/Chris/David are NOT rockers” discussion, again? I liked the ugly/not tattoo discussion better. Hee!

Who else is wondering if Neal will still have a liver when he is thirty?

Well, he can always have one tattooed on his abdomen.

It’s a joke to compare Adam to any of the great rock bands of yore. Daughtry and Cook are authentic rockers. Adam Lambert is a wannabe pop star and poser who admits he was only pretending to be a rock star.

It’s a joke to compare Adam to any of the great rock bands of yore. Daughtry and Cook are authentic rockers. Adam Lambert is a wannabe pop star and poser who admits he was only pretending to be a rock star.

??? How is he a wanna be pop star and poseur? Cook is not Daughtry or Nickleback. So does that make HIM a poseur? Your reasoning seems faulty. Please ‘splain.

I think Danny should front Aerosmith. You know, dream on?

Yeah’ ¦uh’ ¦no, not so much. Cook doesn’t like that song, his fans don’t like that song,

I will say that if you were just a casual fan coming to his show you might think it is a bigger hit than it is because people really get singing along with it. Sometimes David just gets to hang out and listen. Ha!

Well, to each their own. Placido Domingo probably has a superior vocal ability to Cook, but I’d rather listen to Cookie.

Agree… I am not nearly delusional enough to think that David has the best.voice.ever, but I love it… and it is pleasing to my ears. So even if someone else has a *technically* superior voice, I may prefer someone who is technically not as good but more… aurally pleasing. And no, I don’t think Aerosmith or Queen are better fits for David/Daughtry than for Adam, David/Daughtry have the rougher, deeper raspier voices that won’t fit as well as Adam’s higher range with either band. They are ALL talented, just different.

The reason these people keep bringing up Adam’s name is because he can hold his own again the greatest rock singers in history. Robert Plant, Steven Tyler and Freddy Mercury, to name a few.
Daughtry and Cook might be ‘rockers’  to you but they can’t hold a candle to the voices of those people. Adam can!
It’s a joke to compare Cook and Daughtry to those greats

I know and I was being sarcastic. there was an MTV article up thread comparing him to daughtry & cook and some felt these 2 had more rock cred and were glad Adam was finally calling himself a pop star and not a rock star. so my point is not only Adam fans see this great rock quality in him but the media also.

Sassycatz that was hillarious. A tattooed liver. haha Where do you think of these things?

I think Danny should front Aerosmith. You know, dream on?

When I heard the scream at the end of that I actually though it was my TV not him. It wasn’t until later I saw it all over the internet.haha

But Adam better hope RCA really does have something plan and starts doing it now, FYE is like 76 or something on iTunes right now and he will need a lot more adds than he’s gotten right now. And of course, continue to grow spins. So I know, horse beaten, but tick tock tick tock for doing something for Adam sooner, not later. Thus far? This week is starting with zilch for Adam planned, beyond some ball in Feb. with other AI peeps. That won’t help his solo career at all.

I’ve been mostly lurking because frankly this year is just turning out oddly to me….anyway what I don’t get is the fuck ups with the release of his single……which imho was really haphazard and just weird. Then no radio pimping, just even odder. Really there must be something in the works. I also am tired of being punked every week with stuff that is supposed to be going down, and then just not coming to fruition. I am not feeling hopeless, but truthfully there does seem to be a big disconnect for me. Certainly they can’t expect just the media outlets to sell Adam, there has to be some push from some organized entity. I really feel he got no mileage from any of the wonderful stuff he’s done. TFM could have been handled better, as could the video. I also think that Luv might be onto something when she suggests that the cd might have made some people take pause. Once again I don’t think it’s time for an SOS, but I also don’t expect the AMA’s to be the totality of marketing for FYE.

Cook doesn’t like that song, his fans don’t like that song, it’s like LO Redux, and when you could have put out Avalanche or Lie’ ¦

Hm, since I’ve never heard Cook say that, that is pure speculation. But okay, we don’t know. And I am a fan of David Cook, so that doesn’t really wash either.

As for Come Back to Me being dead in the water. AI’s for the song are 13.909 million. So not quite dead. I don’t think any of the AI8′ers have those AI’s. Just sayin.

Sometimes David just gets to hang out and listen. Ha!

I think that’s how he’s accomplishing not having to sing it. He should’ve tried that with Time of My Life!

I think Danny should front Aerosmith. You know, dream on?

He can do a country rendition.

I think this may be a kind of running joke from now on. Band needs a singer, call Adam Lambert. Oh no, Alvin’s in rehab. The Chipmunks need a lead singer. Who you gonna call?

Destry
11/09/2009 at 5:00 pm
Adam just got another add

http://addboard.mediabase.com/AddDetails.asp?Sngcde=LAMBFYE&ob=1&format=XX

Come to Canada Adam we love you..

I also don’t think Queen or Aerosmith are David’s or Daughtry’s style.

Exactly. Those are two bands whose style and vocals don’t fit with David’s or Daughtry’s, but doesn’t mean that neither Daughtry nor Cook don’t also have good voice and can do rocking stuff. There are tons of different styles of rock that each of them as good musicans (and yes, I do include vocals as part of musicanship) can do better than each other.

I love Adam, but he would not be able to slip into say, Eldritch’s boots for The Sisters Of Mercy. Just picking a band I used to like and a voice that really doesn’t jibe with Adam’s. Different people have different ranges and gifts. Now some people don’t have a lot or any real musical talent, I think Adam, Chris and David all do, just different stuff from them and that’s cool.

wow, i feel like I am having deja vu! 3/4 weeks ago, eveyone was moaning and groaning about LLWD — it was a bad single, kris was the winner and it didn’t soar to No. 1, it was hovering between 120-140 on the itunes chart for several weeks, it wasn’t getting enough spins, it was dead in the water, and on and on and on…and now, LLWD is a top 40 hit, made a huge jump up the itunes chart, etc. Now all the sturm und drang has been transferred to FYE….while I agree that RCA needs to start doing more traditional promo for the single, FYE is getting radio adds and spins at pretty much the same rate as LLWD did (maybe even a little faster), is doing ok on itunes (not much difference between #30 on pop where llwd is and #33 where fye is — and we will never know whether there was an immediate bump up when it first went on sale due to the itunes glitches — and we have the sales at AO prior to going on sale at itunes, etc. etc.), it has received really good reviews, etc….I do suspect that the song will get a bump after the AMAs/Letterman/GMA etc….RCA must have had its reasons for the itunes delay etc., but I firmly believe that Adam is just getting started and that this single will be a success

isn’t it an irony if all these real rockers were ignored and the likes of qualified rockers like brian may, roy c, meatloaf etc attested to the rock world having a new vocalist, hence his recording the soundtrack to a famous movie?

isn’t it also an irony that the real rockers are not played on their format and ignored?

lastly, congrats to adam if he is indeed a poser/fake and not a rocker and yet took on the persona so well and beat the so called real rockers in their area of expertise to the extent that outsiders/other proven rock artists are the ones proclaiming him a rock god and that he should make a rock record becos that is who he is.

what backlash has begun?

I haven’t read all the posts about backlash but I’m sure if Adam’s sales don’t pick up the media will run with it, that’s just how they roll. That’s the flip side to all the hype… then you’re a letdown if you don’t “live up to it.” Doesn’t matter that the reality is that he has *plenty* of time for hits and to sell a zillion albums, that’s not exciting news, you know? When Archie came out with Crush and sold all those singles, I’m quite sure there was plenty of media about David Cook failing. You learn to just skim over stuff that bothers you so you don’t go nuts. Because David seems pretty darn happy, and if he’s happy… why am I fretting? And Adam seems pretty happy too from the interviews and stuff I’ve watched… he’s been in the business long enough I think to know that it’ll take work. I am admittedly puzzled at the odd way his single release has come together but then again I’m long past guessing WTF RCA is up to. Maybe the plan someday shall be revealed (grasshopper).

Kris’s song, the winner, has had months to gain momentum for his single to climb the charts. I don’t see why Adam isn’t given that luxury. We don’t even know how many singles AO sold .

I don’t think he does as well with gritty rock as they do.

and that makes him a stand out and even more unique becos his is a voice in a generation. none is like him in the male category today.

isn’t it an irony if all these real rockers were ignored and the likes of qualified rockers like brian may, roy c, meatloaf etc attested to the rock world having a new vocalist

Why would Daughtry and David even be in the conversation? It’s not like if you bring up one Idol you have to assess the rest of them at the same time. Did anyone ask them what they thought of David or Daughtry? Adam’s rock is completely different from Daughtry/David’s brand of rock… there are more than one rock genre and type of rock.

And just because Meatloaf & Brian May like Adam doesn’t mean he’s going to get played on rock radio. Rock radio is NOT Idol friendly. I don’t think anyone thought when Bar-ba-Sol was half-assedly released to rock radio that it was going to get played. They were never going to give it a chance.

What is a “qualified rocker” anyway? The Collective Soul dude thinks David is great, does he count? Slash played on Daughtry’s album so he must not think he sucks too much… I am just a little confuzzled at the whole “he’s a rocker and he’s not” conversation. Always have been.

I don’t get it.. being Canadian I would’nt buy a liter of milk if I was going to buy the whole cow.. His album will fall shortly most likely this is the reason the single is’nt doing that well.. some of us are pratical.

Kris’s song, the winner, has had months to gain momentum for his single to climb the charts. I don’t see why Adam isn’t given that luxury.

Well, are we talking “your career is over and your album drops you” luxury or media drama? Adam has all the hype, so when you’re hyped you’re supposed to live up to it, fair or not (I personally have worried about him being able to live up to it, and I really hope he does, I like him a lot). Kris gets to be the dark horse again, all anyone has talked about media-wise since Idol is how he didn’t deserve to win and how he’ll fail. So the expectations, again fair or not, are not as high for Kris. Personally? I think they both will do fine with their first album and they’ll get to make another, which is the carrot on the stick for these kids coming off Idol.

Let me just add that I think, I THINK, people are talking about two different kinds of backlash… people here, and then the media. I’m talking about the media when I talk about backlash because however fun it is to post here and argue and squee and whatever, the world outside the Idol bubble doesn’t know we’re commenting/backlash-ing/squeeing whatever. If that makes any sense. As I said earlier, apologies ahead of time, I have had 3 hrs of sleep 3 nights running b/c of work and I am brain dead.

There, I put my disclaimer out there. I know not what I do (hee).

Aww, cute picture from Adam’s weekend.

http://www.drfunkenberry.com/2009/11/09/adam-lambert-attends-the-revivial-tour/

He is so sweet, love this from the girl who is in the picture with him:

Forgot to add.. Adam Lambert couldn’t have been a nicer, more gracious, person. He was busy watching Audra Mae sing when I asked for the photo, but later came & FOUND ME(!) for the pic. Seriously, what celeb does this?! Super cool. Definitely gonna buy his music & support his career.

The songs I see listed at the top of the charts are the songs I hear repeated over and over and over again on the Radio.. hence the reason I don’t listen to Radio not that I don’t like the songs but can’t the DJ’s spread it out more!!!! I don’t know maybe play something unexpected.. you know go agains the grain.. gasp!!!! The flavor of music today on the radio sucks.. but I guess thats how they get us all to buy the songs.. play them until we like em. Or think we do.. are we being brain washed..nooooooo

What is a ‘qualified rocker’  anyway? The Collective Soul dude thinks David is great, does he count? Slash played on Daughtry’s album so he must not think he sucks too much’ ¦ I am just a little confuzzled at the whole ‘he’s a rocker and he’s not’  conversation. Always have been.

The Rock and Roll Hall of Fame clearly defines the genre a lot more broadly than either the interwebs or traditional rock radio do

The talk of Adam’s demise is greatly exaggerated! His single did not even get on Itunes until two days after new releases were launched. When it was released you could not find it and when you did find it you couldn’t download it. I think he will do fine, I still believe he will do much better then the supposed not living up to hype sound bite that many detractors wish to label him. The hype on him did not have an expiration date on it as far as I know. I don’t remember anyone saying he would be a success in 1 week and if not he is a failure. Just that he would be a success. He still can be a all that many believe he has the potential to be. A success.

and that makes him a stand out and even more unique becos his is a voice in a generation. none is like him in the male category today.

BINGO. THIS is exactly it. I agree 100%

but really? which of the press set that margin of success for him that if he does not hit no1 on itunes within a few weeks, then he is deemed as not having lived up to the hype? can you site some of those press articles please?

i hope the excitement of some to ridicule adam is not the one beclouding their objective reasoning and mixing up things? just sayin

Good call…I agree with you…its really too early to start speculating about overall success, because at this point its just that…speculation.
I know we are all bored and anxious for the albums to drop…well actually Kris’s fans can already hear all of the tracks but we Adam fans have to keep waiting…yawn yawn yawn is it Nov.22 yet?

The media doesn’t have to be reasonable. They create a narrative or not and make up the next narrative that might or might not be based on facts. And yes, there was hype about Adam, it didn’t have to specifically be saying he was going to be number one, but there was this expectation that he was maybe going to do well, and yes, right away. That he was going to be the next big thing, that he was a big deal. By some sources maybe outside the AI bubble. In which case not delivering to that, and Adam hasn’t thus far been able to, will create the next narrative that he’s “failing,” by not doing specutaculary well. Now is that a reasonable expectation? no, but again, the media doesn’t have to be and most frequently these days, is quite the opposite.

Kris gets to be the dark horse again, all anyone has talked about media-wise since Idol is how he didn’t deserve to win and how he’ll fail. So the expectations, again fair or not, are not as high for Kris. Personally? I think they both will do fine with their first album and they’ll get to make another, which is the carrot on the stick for these kids coming off Idol.

I would agree with that, which is why I wish that some of Adam’s fans, both famous and otherwise, could have kept their pieholes shut. There is a difference between being excited and that’s cool, and creating an unrealistic, imho, level of expectation that ends up hurting the person your hyping, when they inevitably aren’t THE next biggest, bestest thing ever…and right away.

I am admittedly puzzled at the odd way his single release has come together but then again I’m long past guessing WTF RCA is up to. Maybe the plan someday shall be revealed (grasshopper).

I’m puzzled and stabby by their lack of planning and thus far lack of capitalizing on whatever organic momentuem Adam had managed to generate. What’s problematic for me more than for DC here, is that Cook clearly had a bigger fanbase and Adam’s is much smaller than originally thought. So he isn’t going to just be able to live through RCA’s bad decisions (like about which singles to release) as well as I think Cook has. So yeah, sorry to repeat myself, but RCA needs to start steering the ship and it seems to me, changing course and actively so.

FYE has made a move up the iTunes charts in the last couple hours — it was at #76, now it’s at #65, passing LLWD again (which is still at #67).

Oh question about the VH-1 Top 20 Video countdown. Anybody know what time in the day this airs? I’m hoping to see Kris’ music video on there, and I know Kris has an appearance scheduled on VH-1 a week from Saturday

Thanks

Here’s how i see it. if Adam’s fans cld get TFM to #8 or 9 on itunes without promo then FYE wld have easily made top 10 if it hadn’t been sold thru other outlets first. so the backlash is way too soon.

Cook clearly had a bigger fanbase and Adam’s is much smaller than originally thought

You are not taking into account international fans, or album sales.

Truthiness;
I’m puzzled and stabby by their lack of planning and thus far lack of capitalizing on whatever organic momentuem Adam had managed to generate.

He can always release a second cover and create some buzz!!!

I don’t get it.. being Canadian I would’nt buy a liter of milk if I was going to buy the whole cow.. His album will fall shortly most likely this is the reason the single is’nt doing that well.. some of us are pratical

Yes! At the risk of sounding hopelessly old-fashioned, I’ll admit I’ve never bought a single in my entire life. I would expect that most if not all of Adam’s fans are going to be buying the album, and the single is readily available to be listened to online, so why bother with a serparate purchase? That’s how I feel anyway (aside from the fact that I wasn’t completely gaga over FYE).

FYE has made a move up the iTunes charts in the last couple hours ‘” it was at #76, now it’s at #65, passing LLWD again (which is still at #67).

Yeeeeehaaaaa! How cool is that? Absolutely no promo and it came back a little. Great! Now if it can just hold on a little until they actually do some promo for it.

isn’t it also an irony that the real rockers are not played on their format and ignored?

I don’t think it’s ironic. I think it’s stupid. And, that’s why those radio stations are not living like they’re dying. They’re just dying.

I don’t get it.. being Canadian I would’nt buy a liter of milk if I was going to buy the whole cow.. His album will fall shortly most likely this is the reason the single is’nt doing that well.. some of us are pratical

This what I’ve been thinking. Adam did well on album sales at the end of AI too. I hope that’s the reason the single is not higher on the charts.

Regarding Adam:

Don’t worry. Why worry? And it won’t help.

Rome was not built in a day. Adam can not achieve world domination in a week.

One step at a time. Even with the best PR and the most inspired marketing … One foot goes in front of the other … many, many, many times.

So, we might as well relax. They know what they’re doing (even if we don’t).

FYE has made a move up the iTunes charts in the last couple hours ‘” it was at #76, now it’s at #65, passing LLWD again (which is still at #67).

Goes to show that there is no bad publicity. Having Perez Hilton comment on it may have sent some people to iTunes.

FYE has made a move up the iTunes charts in the last couple hours ‘” it was at #76, now it’s at #65, passing LLWD again (which is still at #67).

these jumps are weird.

Up to 10 adds now from today…

ok if Adam is the greatest thing since “sliced bread” well then you realize Sliced Bread was Invented (1928) and did’nt become a household name until 1930….

Personally I hope Adam is better than sliced bread.. lol

ok if Adam is the greatest thing since ‘sliced bread’  well then you realize Sliced Bread was Invented (1928) and did’nt become a household name until 1930′ ¦.

LOL!

I think everyone needs to give Adam’s single more than a couple weeks to take hold. Most songs don’t go for adds a week after their radio debut. He will be fine.

FYE was released to iTunes last Wednesday or maybe late Tuesday I can’t remember. It was available for download on AO since what, the Friday or Saturday before. A couple days after that is was available on Amazon for download. AO and Amazon swallowed the initial surge that could have gone to iTunes. Add to this the glitches with iTunes for a few days. I bought it from AO and I may still buy the Deluxe Album there. A lot of people did this by the way and got FYE right away as part of it. Because of all these factors I do not believe iTunes is a good indicator of how FYE has done at all.

ok if Adam is the greatest thing since ‘sliced bread’  well then you realize Sliced Bread was Invented (1928) and did’nt become a household name until 1930′ ¦.

Do I have to give Adam’s single TWO years to become a household staple?

girlygirl do you have a feed link?

Why isn’t Allison getting any bumps from, well, anything? She was even in”what’s hot” last week.

Speaking of which.. I need Bread… Then I might try to hookup and see if I can listen to Kris sing

Squirrely
11/09/2009 at 6:25 pm
girlygirl do you have a feed link?

Squirrely, if she doesn’t, there’s one at PF in the DP thread.

maybe Adam got the Oprah bump again because Elllen D. brought him up and they showed a still shot of Adam singing. Ellen teased about Adam showing too much tongue but she also stressed how much she really likes Adam??? just a theory re: the itunes bump??

The media doesn’t have to be reasonable. They create a narrative or not and make up the next narrative that might or might not be based on facts. And yes, there was hype about Adam, it didn’t have to specifically be saying he was going to be number one, but there was this expectation that he was maybe going to do well, and yes, right away. That he was going to be the next big thing, that he was a big deal. By some sources maybe outside the AI bubble. In which case not delivering to that, and Adam hasn’t thus far been able to, will create the next narrative that he’s ‘failing,’  by not doing specutaculary well. Now is that a reasonable expectation? no, but again, the media doesn’t have to be and most frequently these days, is quite the opposite.

well, am sure the so called press are controled by human beings afterall and therefore are most likely more reasoble than we think them to be.

yep, adam was hyped first and firstmost becos of his talent. despite this talent, the media probably knows adam is not the usual talent as he is very out of the usual tradition i.e. in your face, gay, polarizing etc. these are all hurdles that any every day new artist doesn’t necesarrily have to cross.

and your asserting his fan base is weaker than the davids, what gives you that impression? these guys were on different seasons with different variables factoring in.

i thot the davids i.e. cook had already a hit running on the radio before his single came out? archuleta released his at the verge of touring? aren’t AI watchers generally fickle in nature? how come david cook 100,000+ single dowlnload was lower than his first single no immediately after the show? and how come too archurleta could not have the same no of eqaully stronger album downloads after? does this not show that the timing of the releases also is a factor? the closer you are to the show, the more showing you have on the charts?

have you also forgotten that adam and even kris had stronger download nos immediately after the final than their singles have thus far showed? any explanation to that also?

finally, i wouldn’t be surprised if adam has not lost some fans too due to some very polarising statements i.e. smelly gate, entititled fans etc he has made in the time past. even i have read from some of his fans here that they are either disappointed with his album cover or his choice of single becos he did not use his 4 octave range and rather settled for something common and hence would not patronize him no more?

the bottom line is adam would be fine as rome was not built in a day.

I don’t think sliced bread is that great .. as long as you have a sharp knife you can do it yourself. I’d like to think he’s the best thing since chocolate

sorry for the typo/grammatical errors. tried to edit, but the funtion is rather too difficult for me.

Thanks CindyM

Also how is Adam doing on the non US itunes charts – is he moving or stagnant?

I almost never post – always lurk. But this is so interesting to me to read through all this. Since the Davids it has become very clear to me that they all have a huge amount of work cut out for them. Cook and Archuleta have essentially been touring almost non-stop since they finished Idol. Because they are both very talented and both have strong fan support still, they have been able to continue to grow in their music industry support and their reputations as musicians. The goal is to have a viable career in music. Archie gains new fans every single time someone sees him perform in person. No one doubts his talent. Cook builds his reputation as a real rocker and people like both of them as people, which really helps. Kris and Adam are now in that stage of media hype where they have to walk around the mine-field to make sure that in another year for them, that they are building their credibility in the music industry. Does Adam just want to be the male tabloid equivilent of Paris Hilton? No because he has real talent, a real voice and real career potential. Will the media pull him down to that Hilton level? I hope not. Kris has to fight in the other direction – to make sure the media realizes that he doesn’t care about the hype – he just wants to be a musician. This is true for many of the people who come through the Idol blitz. The really talented and lucky will make a career for themselves. And you are not a true rock star until you have years of music under your belt. The Davids and Kris and Adam have a lot of work and patience and not being side-tracked by the ups and downs and comparisons. The industry changes every day. You have Archuleta’s Crush video hitting 20million views today and Cook will be doing a great Holiday special. These guys keep moving forward. I like them individually and it is as individuals that they will make it (or not) in the industry over the long haul. This is what I want for Kris and Adam. Patience is the name of the game here.

I don’t think sliced bread is that great .. as long as you have a sharp knife you can do it yourself. I’d like to think he’s the best thing since chocolate

I’m one of those rare women who isn’t a huge fan of chocolate. Yes, we do exist. And I love bread, I mean I flove it. So yes for me, I hope that Adam is as good as sliced bread, it’s both convenient for my life and yummy. Adam is yummy, but not convenient for me life, as I spend way too much time on some blog talking about some AI guy who didn’t even win! Lames!

Nice post, cmom.

karenw
11/09/2009 at 6:32 pm

I don’t think sliced bread is that great .. as long as you have a sharp knife you can do it yourself. I’d like to think he’s the best thing since chocolate

Wait just a minute there, karenw! I’ll have you know that David C is the best thing since chocolate. Also, he’s the best thing since key lime pie and caramel apples covered with peanuts. But I totes agree with you about sliced bread.

I don’t think it’s ironic. I think it’s stupid. And, that’s why those radio stations are not living like they’re dying. They’re just dying.

you could be right! but perhaps too, only their fans see them as real rockers? goes to confirm still – ‘beauty is in the eye of the beholder’

Jim C’s reaction to Kris’ album. As expected, really likes it. But he does point out things he feels are flawed/weak spots, so not a total fanboy flail react

http://newsroom.mtv.com/2009/11/09/kris-allen-album-preview/

Squirrely

Here’s link to live feed for iTunes chart. Don’t forget you need to change the numbers in the web address in order for the time stamp to update

http://ax.phobos.apple.com.edgesuite.net/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wpa/MRSS/topsongs/sf=9174500/limit=0000/rss.xml

Oh question about the VH-1 Top 20 Video countdown. Anybody know what time in the day this airs? I’m hoping to see Kris’ music video on there, and I know Kris has an appearance scheduled on VH-1 a week from Saturday

Didn’t they say it’s 11/21. Pretty sure they did. Sorry, distracted by thoughts of bread and my real favourite food, cheese. Mmmm cheese. IIRC, cheese has more PEA in it than chocolate? And cheese has a morphine in it –casein. mmmmm. I”m sure Adam has to avoid cheese as well as avoid breads. But sads that he feels he has to. Those no-carb diets are stupid.

Adam is yummy, but not convenient for me life, as I spend way too much time on some blog talking about some AI guy who didn’t even win! Lames!

this is my life – people around me refers to Adam as “your boy” when they are telling me about a news article or anything related to Adam.

“Hey, your boy’s song is pretty good or your boy is back on the market…etc…”

I just wanted to share something that might calm some people down. I went on a short business trip with my boss this weekend. I had shared with her a little of my Adam interest(obssession) but this weeked I was able to show her some of Adam’s videos. Everything from Idol performance videos to Crawl Thru Fire, FYE and TFM video, and studio version of Idol performances. She was completely blown away by his talent and stage presence, I mean she was stunned. She also thought he was very attractive. She told she woke up one morning with Adam’s version of ROF in her head and she hates Johnny Cash. She intends to purchase his CD. All this to point out that it may take a little time but eventually the rest of the world will be exposed to Adam and some may not like him but A LOT of people are going to love him. He is a force of nature and I believe will not be stopped. To me the biggest hurdle was that Adam come out with a strong album that would give him good reviews and credibility. I believe he has done that and now it is just a matter of time.

http://newsroom.mtv.com/2009/11/09/kris-allen-album-preview/

I think Jim is becoming more objective these days, so booyah, Jim! And he often does his “Kradam” posts (or tweets to me), so I know he likes them both. He def likes the album a lot and he clearly points out why, but he didn’t go all Kris stan on it. For me, the most disappointing track is Heartless (and I think that’s the case for Jim as well): What did they do with my favorite Kris song?! That could have been the one acoustic track. There was also a radio version milling about (and getting some spins) that was better than this one, which does sound Phil Collins-esque. Fail.

ETA: Thanks for sharing, aa618892. I want his album out there so he gets the chance to show what he can do to the uninitiated (meaning, 99 percent of music listeners). Hopefully, he’ll get the chance.

Gah, head spinning, gotta go home.

this is my life ‘“ people around me refers to Adam as ‘your boy’  when they are telling me about a news article or anything related to Adam.

Welcome to my world. My sister: “I heard your boyfriend on the radio this morning.”

So at least Adam is just your boy . I somehow got me a fine young boyfriend… who I never get to see. Or talk to. Sniff.

She told she woke up one morning with Adam’s version of ROF in her head and she hates Johnny Cash.

Or she can be like my 4 yr old… he makes me play Johnny Cash’s version first and then Adam. He loves ‘em both, just like his mama…

thanks girlygirl!

soso
11/09/2009 at 5:38 pm

isn’t it an irony if all these real rockers were ignored and the likes of qualified rockers like brian may, roy c, meatloaf etc attested to the rock world having a new vocalist, hence his recording the soundtrack to a famous movie?

isn’t it also an irony that the real rockers are not played on their format and ignored?

lastly, congrats to adam if he is indeed a poser/fake and not a rocker and yet took on the persona so well and beat the so called real rockers in their area of expertise to the extent that outsiders/other proven rock artists are the ones proclaiming him a rock god and that he should make a rock record becos that is who he is.

THIS….and people will deny even the most delicious meal if forced fed to them.

this is my life ‘“ people around me refers to Adam as ‘your boy’  when they are telling me about a news article or anything related to Adam.

Last post for now: my co-workers and my family make fun of me when I bring up Adam. Oh HIM, they say. Still?! So I just have to keep him to myself and on blogs and Twitter. No Adam love in my life permitted, alas.

OTOH: I like bagels.

Last post for now: my co-workers and my family make fun of me when I bring up Adam. Oh HIM, they say.

When he goes on tour, just find a buddy to go with you who shares your addiction. Right, vascot? I had a very, very fun year going to shows with someone who wanted to be there instead of someone (*cough*sister*cough*) who was too cool for school . Plus it’s more fun when you have someone to drink a couple beers with you before the show (well, wine for her) so you can WOOOOOOOOO ’til your heart’s content (in a respectful way, mind).

But yes, my mom and sister roll their eyes at me. Hubby gives me the ol’ exasperated raised eyebrow but he’s used to it by now and since I reassured him that I most assuredly do not fling panties at Cookie when I go to his shows… it’s all good.

Jim C’s reaction to Kris’ album. As expected, really likes it. But he does point out things he feels are flawed/weak spots, so not a total fanboy flail react

http://newsroom.mtv.com/2009/11/09/kris-allen-album-preview/

Utterly agree that 3/4 of the album I could hear as part of a Grey’s Anatomy episode, but I’m not sure if that’s a good or bad thing? Agreed with him that it’s very Kris and I think, less mauled, spindled and mutilated by the typical AI Blandization 5000 machine. Agree as well, the lack of one totally acoustic song hurts.

I don’t expect anything above average at this point from Cook. He doesn’t have the talent.

LOL! Apparently over 1,250,000 didn’t agree with you.

Welcome to my world. My sister: ‘I heard your boyfriend on the radio this morning.’ 

So at least Adam is just your boy . I somehow got me a fine young boyfriend’ ¦ who I never get to see. Or talk to. Sniff.

LOL – the life of an idol fan

edit: DON’T lecture people.

I hate the Idol bubble and the comparisons of Idols and complaining that things don’t happen at the speed of light. What the hell did anyone do before this show was on?

No offense, but… this is an Idol blog so… it’s the bubble… like, uber-bubble

Before this show was on I probably watched a different one. Or played Civilization on my computer. My real life is a stressful place, and I am at home all day with two little kids. I like to come take a break and talk about something completely frivolous. It’s good for my blood pressure (most of the time, heh).

All of that might have something to do with the fact that a song like Crush went to number 1 so fast. Just saying it MIGHT be part of the reason, nobody needs to freak out and defend Archie or the song.

Nah, power buying didn’t make that song a hit. Crush was a really big hit, with TONS of radio play on Top 40, at least around here. I STILL hear it. That was a big hit, you don’t sell that many singles on a fluke. I am mystified why his second single never went anywhere after the success with Crush.

Kris’s song, the winner, has had months to gain momentum for his single to climb the charts. I don’t see why Adam isn’t given that luxury.

Well he won’t be given that “luxury” as all we’ve heard since S8 was he was a “rawk god”, he had the best voice of this generation, he had the best voice from any AI season, he would change the music industry. According to the media he was supposed to debut in the top 10 and be the 2nd coming. The hype is what it is so he won’t be given the time to grow without being called a flop. Get used to it. It happened to Cookie last year but a platinum album, 2 platinum singles and a never ending tour have shut up a lot of the critics.

Nah, power buying didn’t make that song a hit. Crush was a really big hit, with TONS of radio play on Top 40, at least around here. I STILL hear it. That was a big hit, you don’t sell that many singles on a fluke. I am mystified why his second single never went anywhere after the success with Crush.

Exactly. I think Crush is a solid enough pop song, done at the right time with the right vibe and it became genuinely popular, and sold well, outside of Idol. I would never take away what was a genuine hit from Archie. Now that being said, maybe I might not feel the need to compare all Idol singles to his, because I don’t. But still, it’s a valid data point about what someone can achieve outside the bubble.

According to the media he was supposed to debut in the top 10 and be the 2nd coming.

ooohhhhhhh does that mean I get an 2nd serving of slice bread?

GinaOrr

#Kris Allen interview tonight on Hollywood 411/TV Guide Channel at 8:00pm ET/PT21 minutes ago from web

(According to AINow, Gina Orr works for 19E)

I think what it all comes down to is the “Song” no matter who is singing it… so having said that I would’nt mind if Adam and Kris put out some candy pop so they can sell some records and hopefully put a few actual good songs on there future albums.. I think they did great with there first albums but I am not really hearing a BIG HIT on either.. meaning the candy pop that sells really good.. you know mindless music.

Well he won’t be given that ‘luxury’  as all we’ve heard since S8 was he was a ‘rawk god’ , he had the best voice of this generation, he had the best voice from any AI season, he would change the music industry. According to the media he was supposed to debut in the top 10 and be the 2nd coming. The hype is what it is so he won’t be given the time to grow without being called a flop.

I keep seeing these kinds of references posted by people who aren’t Adam fans. I didn’t see Adam fans saying he was going to debut in the top 10. I’m sure some hoped he would, just like some of Kris’ fans hoped for the same. I certainly haven’t seen anyone say he was going to be the 2nd coming. Is that a Christian reference? BTW, Adam is Jewish.

Also, I think Adam is a “rock god”. I like that title. I also think Adam has the best voice from any AI season, but I know that is my personal opinion. I’m sure there are Kris, Archie and Cook fans that would say the same thing about their favorite.

There were certain expectations for Cook. He DID WIN and had HUGE numbers for his coronation song. Winning AI has its benefits, but the title also brings some high expectations. It seems to have worked out for him.

I also think Adam has the best voice from any AI season, but I know that is my personal opinion. I’m sure there are Kris, Archie and Cook fans that would say the same thing about their favorite.

It is *very* subjective – but that’s what being a fan is all about ! Different strokes for different folks and all that. And lots of super talented voices to choose from… people can make fun of Idol all day long but most of these kids really are tremendously gifted.

OK a thought just occurred to me in my about-to-fall-asleep haze. Is it possible that with the numbers in hand and the path LLWD has taken, TPTB are in fact intentionally holding out on promo. Hear me out. Perhaps they predict a swift but potentially short-lived surge up the charts when they start the radio promo, mostly off the back of the media attention Adam garnered during the season and since and people going ‘oh yeah, I remember that guy, I’ll buy his single’. Perhaps what they want is for FYE to peak, wherever that may be, just in time for the AMAs in order to introduce the track as say top 40, or wherever it lands. Even LLWD dropped off too if I’m not mistaken (but haven’t followed closely so don’t know) and maybe RCA want to capitalize on the positivity of a charts surge to coincide with his live debut? Just a thought, well a last ditch grasp at the few remaining straws really. Still I stand by Adam 100%, will buy his music since I have yet to hear something by him that I do not like, and will be patient and wait as long as it take for his due success to arrive.

I am stoked for Adam’s AMA performance but I am probably more excited for the GMA concert. Doesn’t he (and Kris) get to sing several songs? This means we will have more performances of songs from his album. I can’t even imagine which ones he will choose. There are several that I just love that I know would go over stupendously. This is just a couple of weeks folks! And possibly a streaming of the entire album in a week? I can’t wait!

It is *very* subjective ‘“ but that’s what being a fan is all about ! Different strokes for different folks and all that. And lots of super talented voices to choose from’ ¦ people can make fun of Idol all day long but most of these kids really are tremendously gifted.

People make fun of Idol, and deservedly so, I know I do, but at least most of the people on the show can actually sing. I mean when I think about who are top 10/20 these days, there aren’t a lot of acts I can say that about. I find it funny when all these popular acts come on AI and then suck live much worse than they would ever be allowed to be on the top ten of idol. Well, by and large, there have been notable exceptions. But on the whole, the top of AI actually and usually have the ability to sing. Differently to be sure, but hey, that’s a good thing.

A David Archuleta fan made a pretty decent live recording of one of his summer tour stops – David sounds pretty good!

Is it possible that with the numbers in hand and the path LLWD has taken, TPTB are in fact intentionally holding out on promo.

Id say thats more than likely…that is exactly what they are doing…plus TFM shot to number 10 on itunes pretty fast without any promo…heck the movie hasnt come out yet and the FYE single was available in three different places so the itunes numbers are not surprising…Im actually suprised its even selling on Itunes…so yeah I think some ppl are being overly pessimistic.
Here is something I found on yt that could cheer some you up:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dk9vBFaYC5U

I hate the Idol bubble and the comparisons of Idols and complaining that things don’t happen at the speed of light. What the hell did anyone do before this show was on?

No offense, but’ ¦ this is an Idol blog so’ ¦ it’s the bubble’ ¦ like, uber-bubble

LOL I get your point, I just meant that I don’t think outside of Idol kids, people stress so much or at all. Idol is a self contained insane asylum!
The “my Idol is better than your Idol never seems to end” It’s a giant pissing contest that gets old really fast. Maybe it’s just me, but I personally don’t understand it. The minute someone says something nice about any one of them there are 5 people that have to say something mean.
Maybe it’s backward thinking but I think if someone is given the opportunity that these kids are given and they get to record a major label album, if it’s meant to be, it will!
Roger Taylor of Queen said in an interview with the BBC that Adam got 49 million votes and didn’t win. The total of votes for the show this year according to Ryan was just under 100 million. I know I’m not great at math but that seems to me that Kris and Adam were pretty freaking close at the end. The two of them are crazy about each other and are polar opposites in their musical styles. I love both of them, I will support both of them even though I run an Adam fan board. I adore Kris.
Saying the “winner” has certain expectations over the runner up or the other 9 is flawed thinking, if they would change the show to one vote per person there would be an accurate idea of who people thought was the best singer/Idol. Letting people text and vote en mass does not give anyone any idea about who the actual best is. They just receive the title. What the title holder does get is more promotion, hence the opportunity to be seen and heard by many more people outside the bubble. IMO the runner up and the winner have an equal chance of “making it”
Let’s hope Adam and Kris have all the success they ever dreamed of! Just saying……

First actual video of Kris in concert last night (rather than just audio versions) – LET IT RAIN

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m9Yfkf0-4Io&feature=player_embedded

Still hoping someone will post videos of the 2 song mashups he did

Roger Taylor of Queen said in an interview with the BBC that Adam got 49 million votes and didn’t win. The total of votes for the show this year according to Ryan was just under 100 million.

WOW…I was not aware of that statistic…can u please specify what interview this was and where we might listen to it?
also I really enjoyed your post and I agree with you..I wish them both the best even though I obviously like Adam more..I just think some ppl get over invested LOL

Exactly. I think Crush is a solid enough pop song, done at the right time with the right vibe and it became genuinely popular, and sold well, outside of Idol. I would never take away what was a genuine hit from Archie. Now that being said, maybe I might not feel the need to compare all Idol singles to his, because I don’t. But still, it’s a valid data point about what someone can achieve outside the bubble.

very well said truthiness… if you would have asked me if i would have believed these kind of objective and clear eyed comments would be coming from non fans of david a last year, i would have said no… david proved a lot of people wrong about his potential, and his ability to be commercially viable in the mainstream music market with the overwhelming success of ”crush”, and with overall sales of his debut… this is what the right song, at the right time, can do for any artist…

it opened up a channel for him to be heard in a context outside of the ”cute ballad singing kid” meme from idol, and helped elevate his profile as a truly talented and formidably versatile singer… a lot of people still have their little issues with him – his speaking voice, his youth, what have you, but strip away all that superficial stuff, and there is no denying the talent, and that vast potential his youth affords him, undergirding it all… i feel outside of his second single not taking off, he has done an excellent job in his first year establishing his bona fides the old fashioned way – grinding and gutting it out in the trenches of the industry, sometimes out of the spotlight, but david has availed himself of every opportunity to hone his craft, and show remarkable progression and improvement in all areas…

he remains remarkably humble and grounded, knows he is still very much a ”work in progress’, and so do his fans, which leaves us less stressed this go round, and very satisfied with how he has positioned himself for round two… it’s all any newbie coming off idol could hope for, and with the expectations not as high for him in the minds of many in his 1st year as a solo artist, what he’s done, for me, for you, for me, has been pretty darn remarkable… i hope all the fans of adam, kris, allison, and danny can feel the same after a year has passed, and can look back and get a clearer assessment of the journey…

I think Cook did have a great deal of expectations placed on him. The only problem was that his debut album wasn’t as good as he was. I bet that his second album will be far superior as he will be writing with his band and will have had time to work on it.

I don’t think Kris has nearly the expectations placed upon him that Cook had/has and for that matter, he doesn’t even have the same expectations placed upon him that Adam has. Kris may have won, but he wasn’t nearly as popular of a winner as Cook was. I think Kris is about as popular as Jordin was when she won. If he gets her single sales, he will be golden. Kris, I think, is in a very good position. He can really only go up. Adam, on the other hand, has lots of people wanting him to fail because they don’t like the hype he has received. I am thankful, that from the snippits we have heard, he has put out a solid album, something he can be proud of, regardless of how it sells.

Roger Taylor of Queen said in an interview with the BBC that Adam got 49 million votes and didn’t win. The total of votes for the show this year according to Ryan was just under 100 million

Roger Taylor also thinks Adam’s last name is Bolton, facts and Roger?mmm mebbe not so clear. Oh and TfM, not a worldwide success, sorry Brian May and sorry to your hair.

Last post for now: my co-workers and my family make fun of me when I bring up Adam. Oh HIM, they say.

you have no idea.welcome to my life…

No offense but Roger Taylor has no idea how many votes Adam received. He doesn’t work for 19 or for the accounting firm that tallied the votes, so he had no access to that information. He’s either just making numbers up or repeating a rumor he heard…

Exactly. I think Crush is a solid enough pop song, done at the right time with the right vibe and it became genuinely popular, and sold well, outside of Idol. I would never take away what was a genuine hit from Archie. Now that being said, maybe I might not feel the need to compare all Idol singles to his, because I don’t. But still, it’s a valid data point about what someone can achieve outside the bubble.

exactly.as much as an obsessive idol tard as I am in rl,before this yr I used to stop after the show.crush was my first post idol download.

not that this means much, but almost everyone I know has it…

im going to chill in rl today..

I just came from watching Michael Jackson’s “This is it” and I realized that quite a few of his songs could also be classified as rock, even moreso than many songs on Adam’s album (Beat it, etc.) and while he was considered to be the king of dance and pop, he was able to cross all musical boundaries and didn’t need to label himself. I felt the same way about Prince, although he definitely had more of a rock vibe. I mention this only to say that I don’t get why it so important for Adam to be considered a rocker, especially when his style of music ranges from David Bowie to dance pop. Do people perceive rock as a superior form of music?

Its because Adam has the voice to do it’ ¦.neither David Cook nor Daughtry can sing Queen or Aerosmith songs..its not about ‘being a rokcer’  or having ‘rock cred’  its about vocal ability which Adam has in spades’ ¦

I didn’t realize Steven Tyler was the best rock voice of the century and that sounding like him meant that you were superior to everyone else. All this time I thought it was Eddie Vedder. Subjectivity strikes again.

PROBLEM! I went to itunes to buy FYE! A message (in a box) came up that said “Sorry this is not available in the US” Anyone else have this problem? If I go down the list of songs, I was able to send one as a gift to my daughter-i think. But when I clicked on the cover, that message came up. Anyone else having that problem?

last post;a little off topic but isn’t the sniper being executed today? gawd,I think i was in kindergarten then.everyone was so damn scared…

sorry Brian May and sorry to your hair.

OK, maybe I’m just tired and giddy but that made me giggle. Hee!

I get your point, I just meant that I don’t think outside of Idol kids, people stress so much or at all. Idol is a self contained insane asylum!
The ‘my Idol is better than your Idol never seems to end’  It’s a giant pissing contest that gets old really fast. Maybe it’s just me, but I personally don’t understand it.

No, I hear you. And the world outside the ol’ bubble is NOT the same… my mom and sister had no idea that people were hating on Gokey, for one example. If you came in here you’d think he was Public Enemy #1. They love him, they had no idea. But yeah, I do not enjoy the pissing contest at all. Especially with the top 2 from the last two years who are such great friends, and all four of them are such sweet guys. I’m a huge David Cook fan (I know, you’re shocked) but I love Archie, he’s the little dude. There’s room for lots of successful “Idols” out there… I wish them all well.

Do people perceive rock as a superior form of music?

For some that is the case, and they use it as a way to say that Adam doesn’t measure up. It’s really silly, because music is music, and it should be judged as such. I see a lot of looking down the nose at pop, but it’s just ridiculous.

PROBLEM! I went to itunes to buy FYE! A message (in a box) came up that said ‘Sorry this is not available in the US’  Anyone else have this problem? If I go down the list of songs, I was able to send one as a gift to my daughter-i think. But when I clicked on the cover, that message came up. Anyone else having that problem?

There are people reporting the problem on AO-some of the links from radio websites are leading to that error message. Some are having the same problem you are.

Roger Taylor also thinks Adam’s last name is Bolton, facts and Roger?mmm mebbe not so clear. Oh and TfM, not a worldwide success, sorry Brian May and sorry to your hair.

at least in the context of the discussion, pple knew who he was talking about.

as for tfm, isn’t it too soon to call a song that was neither not sent for adds or promoted at all a failure. what have you learned from kris song climbing back on tha charts after its initial fall?

I mention this only to say that I don’t get why it so important for Adam to be considered a rocker, especially when his style of music ranges from David Bowie to dance pop. Do people perceive rock as a superior form of music?

Heh, I’m not sure either. I really see Adam as more pop than rock, though certainly he can *sing* rock songs if he wants to. His own musical tastes strike me as more electronic/dance stuff, unless I just am remembering interviews all wrong, which is entirely possible.

And you know, despite David C. being my favorite, rock actually isn’t even my favorite… though I have wayyyyy across the spectrum music tastes. But if I had to pick one song off my iPod… I’m going with Al Green “Let’s Stay Together,” thanks.

There are people reporting the problem on AO-some of the links from radio websites are leading to that error message. Some are having the same problem you are.

The box doesn’t come up for TFM but it does for FYE and it won’t let you buy it. My daughter never received hers. How long does it take to gift it?

what have you learned

Are we sappose to be learning something here. Oh yeah Who’s Idol can piss the farthest.. lol Who won last year?

girlygirl
11/09/2009 at 8:18 pm
No offense but Roger Taylor has no idea how many votes Adam received. He doesn’t work for 19 or for the accounting firm that tallied the votes, so he had no access to that information. He’s either just making numbers up or repeating a rumor he heard’ ¦

Exactly what I thought about what Billy Bush said.

Poor Alison Sigh…

No offense but Roger Taylor has no idea how many votes Adam received. He doesn’t work for 19 or for the accounting firm that tallied the votes, so he had no access to that information. He’s either just making numbers up or repeating a rumor he heard’ ¦

which leaves us with the other rumour which appears to be the acceptable one so far that kris won bya landslide. then he shd be the one cracking the no 1 spot on the charts and not some runnerup named adam.

Heh, I’m not sure either. I really see Adam as more pop than rock, though certainly he can *sing* rock songs if he wants to. His own musical tastes strike me as more electronic/dance stuff, unless I just am remembering interviews all wrong, which is entirely possible.

You’re not misremembering..lol. He’s always talked about how much he loves classic rock, that his father introduced him to those bands and he loved them. But he’s always talked about different genres when it came to his own music, but it seems he loves pop/rock. Just listening to his pre-idol stuff, it was all over the place. Crawl Thru Fire – definitely rock. Pop Goes the Camera – Definitely Pop.

But if I had to pick one song off my iPod’ ¦ I’m going with Al Green ‘Let’s Stay Together,’  thanks.

OMG…I love his “Let’s Stay Together”. :::running to itunes to buy to add to my ipod:::: Thanks!!

mama2dasha You are right. It seems alot of peeps at AO are having the same problem. When will itunes get it together? So, now you can’t purchase the song??? ITUNES=FAIL!

maybe Adam got the Oprah bump again because Elllen D. brought him up and they showed a still shot of Adam singing. Ellen teased about Adam showing too much tongue but she also stressed how much she really likes Adam??? just a theory re: the itunes bump??

Oooh, how did that come up?

to. His own musical tastes strike me as more electronic/dance stuff, unless I just am remembering interviews all wrong, which is entirely possible.

Adam’s musical tastes, like I think a lot of ours, vary, he like pop, but also cites classic rock, like Zepplin and Queen, as some of his seminal music. Along with T-Rex typically, and lately some Janis mentions. He talks a lot about being exposed to classic rock from his DJ father from a very young age and that being important to him. But how he also liked things liked disco, that his father can’t stand, and evidently a lot of pop music as well. Of course in addition to all the musical theatre stuff.

Which I personally get, I grew up loving The Beatles and some classic rock from my Hippie mother, but she hated disco (I liked it) and we agreed on some, but not all ’80s music. Her favourite ’80s band was probably Talking Heads, mine was The Smiths. And I loved tons of music in the ’90s, Nirvana especially stands out for me, along with NIN, Beastie Boys, and Portishead. Not of those, but Mezzanine is in my top 5 faves albums of all time. sigh. I miss the ’90s.

I’m bored.and adam’s in meetings.that means no news.D:

Adam’s musical tastes, like I think a lot of ours, vary, he like pop, but also cites classic rock, like Zepplin and Queen, as some of his seminal music. Along with T-Rex typically, and lately some Janis mentions. He talks a lot about being exposed to classic rock from his DJ father from a very young age and that being important to him. But how he also liked things liked disco, that his father can’t stand, and evidently a lot of pop music as well. Of course in addition to all the musical theatre stuff.

YES!!!!!!!! It is his music taste that draw me in.. In hopes that he will stay true to producing all types of music.. with that wonderful personality and voice. Yeah the 1900′s where great.. That’s when slice bread was invented.. snicker..

Good night people 14 sleeps..

a genius is a genius for example be you 100 years or merely 5 years before that geniusy is seen in you. age or experience is just what it is most times ‘“ nothing more than nos.

Okay, ha. Genius now? Honestly, Adam can sing, but so can a lot of people. No way on this planet are they all geniuses.

Ma Ma Mia, so according to ITUNES, Adam’s single FYE is not available in the US. Too bad, it was moving up. I think it went up 12 spots in the last couple of hours. But since the glitch, it has dropped down to 67. Kris’s LLWD is at 65 and is available in the US. Adam and ITUNES – They go together like oil and water.

ETA- ITUNES seems to have fixed it.

maybe Adam got the Oprah bump again because Elllen D. brought him up and they showed a still shot of Adam singing. Ellen teased about Adam showing too much tongue but she also stressed how much she really likes Adam??? just a theory re: the itunes bump??

Oooh, how did that come up?

Oprah asked Ellen what kind of judge she thought she would be. Ellen said she would be funny but honest and she joked that even though she thought Adam was terrific (showed his photo singing with tongue out) she would have told him too much tongue and everyone laughed. It had a positive spin IMO!

good night ppl

Yeah the 1900′s where great.. That’s when slice bread was invented.. snicker..

The 1900s would have been called ’00s or to differentiate, called the nineteen hundreds, they would never have been referred to as the ’90s. If sliced bread was invented in 1928, it would have been the ’20s, not the nineteeen hundreds.

I know joke and all, but just saying. Anyhew, carry on.

Hi, all. I was at work all day, so I’m just checking in on what’s been going on. I THINK I’ve scanned everything, but I still haven’t seen a weigh-in from Sleazak on Adam’s album snippets. Has he ever published his viewpoints? Did I miss his comments? Thanks!

AGAIN. PLEASE follow my rules.

Hello. Back again. Thanks for being my Idol friends. I actually have one R/L friend who went to SYTYCD and U2 (well, that’s different, lol) and Cook with me in the past couple of years. She doesn’t watch much TV, but she thinks it’s fun. She is the ONLY one of my friends who doesn’t make fun of Idol. But I have back problems, and it’s just fun to be invested in something. It’s just not fun when there is fanwarring and flaming,. and then it just becomes stressful and I wonder why am I bringing this upon myself.

I shouldn’t have to defend my interest in and admiration of Adam to ANYONE. I think he’s enormously gifted. I can’t wait to see him in concert BY HIMSELF (tho I am sure the Kradison concert will be fun), see him doing promotion, see him perform at the AMAs, and most importantly hear his music. It’s just astounding to me that the season has ended and yet there are still comparisons amongst the fans about their favorite Idol (and I guess this is the case every year). I don’t care that he didn’t win at this point, bc/ he was my favorite Idol. There are others that I liked, too, and will follow, but Adam (and then Cook) are the Idols I am most interested in. And if Adam isn’t yours, totally cool, but to call him a poseur? To say his friends are all OTT when every artist has fans who are OTT? All I can do is shake my head sadly.

And this pimpage crap has got to stop already. Seriously. Adam wlll succeed or not based on his talent and promotion as well by RCA/19, not b/c some magazine has proclaimed him to be the second coming. Boy, is this getting tired, especially around Kris (b/c he won, so of course x y z) and Adam (he didn’t win so he shouldn’t get x y z or he should have won so he SHOULD get x y z). Maybe I just need a timeout.

BTW, Teri63, no, Slezak hasn’t weighed in, but his mom was visiting, so he was busy. Maybe we will hear from him or maybe we’ll just have to wait till the album comes out. I was hoping to hear before, b/c he is usually amusingly snarky.

last thing( I promise this time): SUEBRODY; THANK YOU!!!!

When Roger Taylor mentioned Adam and 49 million votes I read it as he was making a sarcastic joke about the large amounts of votes that are cast in these kind of shows .. he was implying that even though Adam got “millions” of votes he still came second .. it’s sarcastic British humour, that’s all

Also as far as TFM not being a world wide success … the movie hasn’t opened here in the UK yet, it’s not being played on radio stations so no one here apart from those who have followed Adam during and after American Idol will be aware that he’s singing the song and that it’s available .. perhaps when the movie opens here the non AI watching Brits will show some interest and it may be played on the radio …

UNDERCOOKED-

ETA- ITUNES seems to have fixed it.

I just went and tried again and the same thing happened. The little box comes up that says it is not available in the US.

edit: You aren’t pointing fingers and yet…you are.

HDD is reporting the following:

Beginning with the issue dated Dec. 5 (representing the sales tracking week of 11/16-22), the Billboard 200 ranking will be based on SoundScan’s Comprehensive Albums chart, which means back catalog and reissues.

That means that all the S8 releases will be competing with albums on the catalog chart (such as Michael Jackson and the Beattles). Prior to this, albums that were older than 18 months and no longer promoted went recurrent and were not listed in the BB200.

It looks as though albums will no longer go re-current. At this time, it will probably not have a large effect near the top of the chart, but it will be brutal to those hanging out near the bottom. Especially with Christmas coming and all those old Christmas albums flooding the chart.

UNDERCOOKED-

ETA- ITUNES seems to have fixed it.

I just went and tried again and the same thing happened. The little box comes up that says it is not available in the US.

Your right. Just went and tried it again and got the same message. It’s like there is a magic portal and you have to hit it just at the right time.

Itunes is having all kinds of issues. Under top albums, “Kris Allen” is listed at 109 (or something like that). If you page down, still under albums, “Live Like We’re Dying” by Kris Allen, is listed as number 200. Huh?!?

Has itunes always had these problems or is it just now? I have gotten several emails from friends and phone calls where they are having trouble buying from itunes-they could get it from AO of Amazon but everyone realizes that itunes is the one that hits the jousting journalist.

I just went and tried again and the same thing happened. The little box comes up that says it is not available in the US.

alaadam, I just tried it and got the same message, but I was able to get to the purchase screen by going a different route. Once in the itunes store, I plugged “Adam Lambert” into the search engine. It brought up a list of Adam’s songs on the right hand side. For Your Entertainment was listed among them. Once I clicked on it, it took me to the page where you can purchase his single and rate the song. I didn’t follow through with the purchase because I already purchased it the day it was released on AO, but if you give it a try, maybe this route will be a successful one for you. Good luck.

Thank you, dcglam. Much appreciated.

Just read back a few pages in this thread and was wondering, Did I miss some numbers somewhere for Adam’s first week of FYE sales? Don’t those come out on Wednesday? Is there an early leak of the numbers and I just can’t find it in this thread? Where is all this doom and gloom coming from? I am confused.

Patty, the info is on the Media Database thread. Viewpoints differ.

I swear if I did not know better you would think there was an Itunes conspiracy with Adam. How come it is his single that people can’t purchase or is having trouble purchasing. This is the same thing that happened when FYE finally became available on Itunes 2 days after all the other New songs for the week were launched. When it finally was on itunes you could not purchase it. Question is this trouble today only with FYE or other songs too?

Patty, the info is on the Media Database thread. Viewpoints differ.

Isn’t that spins? Not sales? I’m still confused.

First actual video of Kris in concert last night (rather than just audio versions) ‘“ LET IT RAIN

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m9Yfkf0-4Io&feature=player_embedded

Still hoping someone will post videos of the 2 song mashups he did

Very nice. I really want to see an acoustic gig now.

Only one complaint. Needs more Cale. I don’t like vids that focus too much on the lead singer, and not the band. I mean, it’s not like Cale is hard to look at.

Hype usually backfires no matter who it is. Hype turns people off. Calling someone a genius can also be offputting and create a backlash, and “rock god” is a title that takes decades to earn.

Michael Jackson can be called a musical genius and the king of pop because he earned those titles by putting out records that changed pop music and took it in new directions. Paul McCartney, John Lennon, earned the title of rock gods and musical geniuses, people like that.

Adam is an exciting performer with a lot of potential and I assume his cd is going to be good, but comparing him to Elvis and other icons doesn’t help him at this point as he hasn’t actually done anything yet. it’s a lot of pressure to put on anyone.

Someone asked why the hype was offputting so I was just answering that question from my pov.

Personally I don’t think Adam ever claimed to be a rocker and I expected him to do pop and dance music primarily, so I don’t get why people are worked up about the rock thing. This whole “rock cred” thing is so overrated and distorted these days anyway. I think Adam is doing the kind of music he always said he would do.

Taylor Hicks’ DO I MAKE YOU PROUD makes the National Public Radio’s list of all the amazing artists, albums and songs released in the past 10 years !!

WHo woulda thunk and how did that happen ???

Not that I am complaining as I am a fan, but this is a humongous surprise.

Reason #135897293 that I love it when Brad Paisley and Carrie Underwood hang out (I’m talking about what happens around the 3 minute mark):

http://www.abc4.com/content/about_4/gtu/featured_on/story/Country-Music-Awards-2009/rgs-bJvqZEet8nVrzIYoTQ.cspx

The reason these people keep bringing up Adam’s name is because he can hold his own again the greatest rock singers in history. Robert Plant, Steven Tyler and Freddy Mercury, to name a few.
Daughtry and Cook might be ‘rockers’  to you but they can’t hold a candle to the voices of those people. Adam can!
It’s a joke to compare Cook and Daughtry to those greats.

I happen to think that David Cook has an incredible voice, one of the best I’ve ever heard. Adam also has a very good voice, but I don’t think he has a better voice than David Cook. ymmv.

Regarding itune, good news are Allison’s FIBOU gets a banner under ‘singles’ first page and ‘new and noteworthy’ and Kris’ album has a banner up front too.

For FYE single, ituen hasn’t completely fixed it. If I click the single cover, it says item not available in the US, but if I click the ‘buy album’ button, I can get through. I can also get through if I click the ‘buy single’ button on the search result panel. But you can’t see all those song info in a separate page for FYE. sad.

ETA, does this happen often to songs that have the same name as their albums?

For FYE single, ituen hasn’t completely fixed it. If I click the single cover, it says item not available in the US, but if I click the ‘buy album’ button, I can get through. I can also get through if I click the ‘buy single’ button on the search result panel. But you can’t see all those song info in a separate page for FYE. sad.

I’m convinced it’s a conspiracy. Yeah, there I said it.

ETA: just noticed dhunken beat me to the conspiracy theory claim. Sorry I’m late to the party again.

I happen to think that David Cook has an incredible voice, one of the best I’ve ever heard. Adam also has a very good voice, but I don’t think he has a better voice than David Cook. ymmv.

Oh, dear – not opening this can of worms again… lol – too late. I will say both are great singers – Adam is better from a technical standpoint (control, range, timbre, versatility). But that doesn’t necessarily mean he is for everyone. Different strokes an’ all.

David Cook always really really impressed me with his singing ability on AI, though. He knew exactly how to use his voice, and imo had excellent pitch and projection, especially.

Hype usually backfires no matter who it is. Hype turns people off. Calling someone a genius can also be offputting and create a backlash, and ‘rock god’  is a title that takes decades to earn.

Only idol fans are aware of such hype, for other people he is just someone they see the name in the news once in a while. Non-adam fans probably already dislike him, so no worries. Adam fans are not turned off, and people outside the bubble coulndt care less.

Personally I don’t think Adam ever claimed to be a rocker and I expected him to do pop and dance music primarily, so I don’t get why people are worked up about the rock thing. This whole ‘rock cred’  thing is so overrated and distorted these days anyway. I think Adam is doing the kind of music he always said he would do.

Exactly!

windmills
11/09/2009 at 10:36 pm

Reason #135897293 that I love it when Brad Paisley and Carrie Underwood hang out (I’m talking about what happens around the 3 minute mark):

http://www.abc4.com/content/about_4/gtu/featured_on/story/Country-Music-Awards-2009/rgs-bJvqZEet8nVrzIYoTQ.cspx

Thanks for posting this Windmills. You and I have about the same number of reasons for liking these two interviewing together.

Just got here. Don’t think I can read the whole thread. Is there anything new going on? Anything I have to know about?

Personally I don’t think Adam ever claimed to be a rocker and I expected him to do pop and dance music primarily, so I don’t get why people are worked up about the rock thing. This whole ‘rock cred’  thing is so overrated and distorted these days anyway. I think Adam is doing the kind of music he always said he would do.

I think that Adam wants to add some rock to his music and that it is important to him. He actually has maintained it would be a mix on his album. And all rock doesn’t have to sound the same, there are rock ballads, like say Muse, or something with more rock in it, like Music Again or Strut, that aren’t straight hard rock songs. They are pop/electronica with some rock elements. Or rock ballads. So that quote where supposedly Adam was saying he wasn’t rock, the whole quote was that he didn’t feel the need to live up to some sort of rock cred, and that he believed in mixing genres and that being pop with some stuff, didn’t mean you weren’t other stuff. And that not all rock had to be angsty heavy stuff, but could still be rock and lighter/different.

Now does that make him a rock gawd? Not at all. I personally don’t think there will be enough rock elements in his album and some will definitely be disappointed. That being said, Adam does seem to be going for some some glam/electronica/rock thing where rock is important to him, in whatever form he sees it.

Michael Jackson can be called a musical genius and the king of pop because he earned those titles by putting out records that changed pop music and took it in new directions.

So funny, and you guys probably don’t remember this because you are too young (!), but Michael Jackson was widely criticized for naming HIMSELF the King of Pop, I believe during the HIStory tour.

I think Adam has always done a good job being modest and grateful to those who are helping him. He’s a good boy!

What’s going on with iTunes? Are the charts all messed up again?

Perez Hilton is posting more bitchy stuff about Adam tonight. I would write a comment but I don’t want to support his site in any way. I feel like he is REALLY jealous of Adam and at the same time wants to get a response from him.

If you search under Adam Lambert in itunes and go to his page and click on FYE-you now see all the album tracks. There are two bonus songs, and some other bonus stuff-19 tracks in all I believe. Maybe this is why the trouble-they are adding the album tonight?

Yeah, I’d still like to throttle Kara for coming up with the over the top “Rock Gawd” proclamation that people who don’t care for him use as a weapon to put him down. I don’t think labels are important to Adam, he just wants to combine some of the sounds that he loves, from pop and electronic and funk and yes rock, into some great songs.

Adam Lambert – For Your Entertainment Album on Itunes for pre order. Deluxe version. Order it through MJ site guys.

Adam Lambert ‘“ For Your Entertainment http://bit.ly/T6yqo Album on Itunes for pre order. Deluxe version. Order it through MJ site guys.

cool!! Pre-ordered

New bonus track ‘Master Plan’. hey

OOH!! Two new bonus tracks (not counting TfM):

Master Plan (WHASSAT?)

and

Down The Rabbit Hole

PLUS:

Behind the Scenes at the photoshoot
Behind the Scenes in the recording studio

*jumping up and down*

Finally! Adam news! SUCK IT, PEREZ!!! (I’ll tweet him, not going to give his damned site a hit.)

*off to pre-order*

I didn’t end up pre-ordering on AO because the book included upped the price too much for my recession abused wallet.

But I think I’m gonna wait a day to preorder the iTunes version like I planned just to make sure that Apple has ironed out their kinks before contributing my one little buy to the total. They’ve been so flaky lately, and since I can’t afford multiple buys this is my only chance to help Adam’s numbers in a teeny tiny miniscule way.

How do you pre-order thru iTunes on mj’s site???

BTW, I have found that when I have had problems with iTunes orders, they have been very helpful, and I even received extra downloads as a result.

But I think I’m gonna wait a day to preorder the iTunes version like I planned just to make sure that Apple has ironed out their kinks before contributing my one little buy to the total. They’ve been so flaky lately, and since I can’t afford multiple buys this is my only chance to help Adam’s numbers in a teeny tiny miniscule way.

I think you can cancel your pre-order stuff before it’s delivered.

How do you pre-order thru iTunes on mj’s site???

Wait till MJ put up a new thread. She’ll embed a link that’ll cred her.

Ok I just pre ordered my Deluxe version of FYE through Itunes (through MJ’s Clicked on the big picture ad of Adam’s album on MJ’S homepage) OMG exciting. I also noticed that FYE single is now .99 when I originally paid $1.29. Also when I got the pre order it charged me for the single also. But worth it for Adam……YEAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! BTW I am really liking Sleepwalker the snippet. Want the whole song.

I just tried to pre-order the album and it keeps saying I’ve already ordered it because no matter how much I click on “the album” it keeps highlighting “the single.” Grrrrr! Is anyone else having this problem?
I’m going to go to bed and try again tomorrow!

I hate iTunes for that…I guess I will wait for mJ–would sales count for coming week? I didn’t buy FYE–I got it thru AO. Hrm. confusing.

I want Sleepwalker the most, too, followed by Broken Open and Soaked. SO EXCITED!!!

It highlights the single and makes you order it again for .99 I figured Adam was worth the extra buck. This should really help his single numbers!

What big Adam picture? I hope they feature this on the iTunes homepage. They owe us! It should be in the email, anyway, under pre-releases….Where’s mj?

Adam Lambert is really POPULAR in Finland. On iTunes For Your Entertainment is #7 in Music and #5 in Pop. Fins know their stuff.

I just tried to pre-order the album and it keeps saying I’ve already ordered it because no matter how much I click on ‘the album’  it keeps highlighting ‘the single.’  Grrrrr! Is anyone else having this problem?
I’m going to go to bed and try again tomorrow!

I had the same problem, but I decided to keep going with it to see what would happen. I did get a screen that told me I can manage my pre-orders, so I think I pre-ordered the album. When I went to my play list, I now have two copies of FYE the single, but perhaps I will get credit once I get the album? If not, I’m stuck with two copies of the single. Not a big deal, but not what I was planning on doing. As long as I have the album, that’s all that matters.

There is also non deluxe version on US itune for $10.99:

http://itunes.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewPreorder?id=339201991&s=143441

The non-deluxe version is missing the two extra bonus tracks plus the videos. I think it is worth the extra $$$. I already spent $29 for album from AO.

Allison’s album can be pre-ordered to

http://tinyurl.com/preorder-jly

I’m so pissed, I can’t open my iTunes on my laptop, and my desktop is hosed and can only be used for work, so I can’t even order Adam’s cool-ass deluxe album. This sucks.

Now I’m confused. Aren’t there bonus songs on the AO version? Are these DIFFERENT bonus tunes? Should I cancel my preorder from Amazon? Gah!

PattyH
11/09/2009 at 11:26 pm

I just tried to pre-order the album and it keeps saying I’ve already ordered it because no matter how much I click on ‘the album’  it keeps highlighting ‘the single.’  Grrrrr! Is anyone else having this problem?
I’m going to go to bed and try again tomorrow!

I did have the same problem. I think they don’t have their kinks ironed out yet. When you go through the whole process you get the pre order but also get charged .99 cents for the single FYE. So I have it twice. All for a good cause. Is it really that difficult to have a single and an Album with the same name and have two separate links to purchase them without all this hassle. Come on Itunes it is not like this is the first time in history an Album and a single have the same name. Jeez……Anyway….I have the deluxe Itunes version. YEAH!!! Anybody hear anything about the 2nd bonus track Master Plan… Love the title of the song.

BeckyMD
11/09/2009 at 11:23 pm

But I think I’m gonna wait a day to preorder the iTunes version like I planned just to make sure that Apple has ironed out their kinks before contributing my one little buy to the total. They’ve been so flaky lately, and since I can’t afford multiple buys this is my only chance to help Adam’s numbers in a teeny tiny miniscule way.

I think you can cancel your pre-order stuff before it’s delivered.

Yes you can. When you go into your itunes account there is an area that says manage pre orders. There you can cancel them.

Reminder:

I’ve been kinda busy tonight…but the lecturing…Ugh. Some of you who are lurkers, please respect my rules, and remember that this is my blog, not YOUR fan forum, where I’m sure keeping the troops on point and in line is reflexive behavior.

Please don’t behave the same way here. This isn’t a fan forum.

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I happen to think that David Cook has an incredible voice, one of the best I’ve ever heard. Adam also has a very good voice, but I don’t think he has a better voice than David Cook. ymmv.

Mary 102: Oh, dear ‘“ not opening this can of worms again’ ¦ lol ‘“ too late. I will say both are great singers ‘“ Adam is better from a technical standpoint (control, range, timbre, versatility). But that doesn’t necessarily mean he is for everyone. Different strokes an’ all.

David Cook always really really impressed me with his singing ability on AI, though. He knew exactly how to use his voice, and imo had excellent pitch and projection, especially.

Me: (LOL can’t get the freaking quotes to work right) Oh dear, this IS a can of worms Mary102. I agree with some of your assertions but not others. We agree that they are both very good singers though. Here is how I would break it down technically:

-They both have excellent ranges – Adam definitely has a wider range.

-They both have an amazing ability to emote and connect with the audience – telling a story with their songs. I would call this a draw.

-David has superior phrasing and rythym. Second only to Melinda and Kelly, IMO, and perhaps Elliot.

-Adam does have superior vocal control and refinement, especially in the lower ranges. Clearly he has had a great deal of top-notch vocal training to hone his gift. David appears to be mainly self taught.

-David has superior power and projection, although Adam is no slouch in this department.

-David has been accused of sometimes screaming when he is belting in his upper range and Adam has been accused of shrieking/being shrill in his upper range.

- Versatility? Both are amazing and we have only seen a fraction of what they can do, so I’m going to call this a draw. Although I think that if you factor in the Season 7 Group performances Cookie comes out ahead by a fraction (R&B, Country, Gospel, Crooning, etc.)

- Now we come to the most subjective measurement of all – Vocal Timbre (the color and quality of one’s voice). Clearly you prefer Adam’s, which I agree is very nice, but for me, David Cook simply has a more beautiful and pleasing voice. It is even more remarkable when one considers that he sings in a genre of music that doesn’t really highlight the beauty of his voice. This silly little commercial he did does though: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KzvitWFHM-w&feature=related

Allison’s album can be pre-ordered to

http://tinyurl.com/preorder-jly

Indeed, and there is the deluxe version there as well with a video, the Spanish FIBOU, a booklet and an extra song called “Don’t Wanna Be Wrong.”

suenigma – I happen to agree with yr whole post esp this last paragraph

- Now we come to the most subjective measurement of all ‘“ Vocal Timbre (the color and quality of one’s voice). Clearly you prefer Adam’s, which I agree is very nice, but for me, David Cook simply has a more beautiful and pleasing voice. It is even more remarkable when one considers that he sings in a genre of music that doesn’t really highlight the beauty of his voice. This silly little commercial he did does though: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KzvitWFHM-w&feature=related

However the key word is subjective. This is a fun blog for news & discussion about a show and people I got interested in because of David Cook. I think after the competition is over comparisons are really pointless, and almost dangerous. As many have said, I hope all the “Idols” do well. (well, there’s a couple I really don’t care for. but nevermind.)

I’d never really try to change anyone to my point of view. I like to put my feelings out there, see the response, like everyone else. I watch vids of other singers that people post here, hope others do too. I appreciate this forum. Now I’m rambling – good night.

damn…so many options available makes me kind of regret the Amazon pre-orders those who waited made a wise decision …should have saved more money…I cant decide what to do now and its late…uh-oh

does anything happen when you download Allison’s deluxe album? Cuz I think I pre-ordered it and didnt get a single or anything it just took me back to the page where it lists all of the songs..so now Im confused

Reason #135897293 that I love it when Brad Paisley and Carrie Underwood hang out (I’m talking about what happens around the 3 minute mark):

Ah, that’s nothing! My video trumps yours Watch Carrie work “air compressor” into the interview for $20!

http://www.abcactionnews.com/mediacenter/local.aspx?videoId=18836@wfts.dayport.com&navCatId=3&rss=823

So true wellhesback, it is ALL subjective and we can’t really change minds or opinions. Athough I will admit that I have become far more appreciative of Adam since reading this blog regularly. His talent IS extraordinary.

Sometimes I just like to give Cookie his due too, because we Cook fans have a tendency to say, awwww, we just love him ’cause he’s such a great guy and hard worker, and downplay his obvious gifts. It’s like we are concerned that if we are not modest and humble on his behalf, he will somehow be accused of being smug and cocky again. Douche-by-proxy. LOL.

It’s like we are concerned that if we are not modest and humble on his behalf, he will somehow be accused of being smug and cocky again. Douche-by-proxy. LOL.

Ha, the dreaded “smug”! I love the voice and think he’s immensely talented. All the other stuff (the pretty! the charm!) is just a big, big bonus. It’s the *voice* that got me in the first place. And man, I still love that voice

Oh, suenigma, I am a huge Adam fan and I adore Cookie! I love his voice.

I was disappointed in the CD and only purchased three songs. I saw Cook’s show at the Nokia and saw him again at GMA and my stanning of David was rekindled.

Actually, I believe David and Adam are very similar. They both have big, beautiful voices; they are confident and have great stage presence, which comes from their musical theater background; they are charming, intelligent, articulate and witty; they both are very attractive guys.

I have high hopes for Cookie’s second record. He is so much better than his freshman debut. I also love the band. They are tight, talented musicians. Keeping my fingers crossed!

No matter what anyone says, David has sold a butt-load of records’ ¦I only hope Adam does as well.

In my heart I really believe that both of these boys will have long careers in the music biz.

Sometimes I just like to give Cookie his due too, because we Cook fans have a tendency to say, awwww, we just love him ’cause he’s such a great guy and hard worker, and downplay his obvious gifts. It’s like we are concerned that if we are not modest and humble on his behalf, he will somehow be accused of being smug and cocky again. Douche-by-proxy. LOL.

Haha, so true. Perhaps DC fans are taking after his example. DC is the one who’s been saying since May 2008 that he is far from the best singer from his season, and listing 3, 4, 5 singers at a time that he would rank above himself. It’s all subjective, really, but when you take into account things like versatility, phrasing, emotion, interpretation, musicality, I cannot understand how he can rank Syesha and Carly above himself. They have great voices, but IMO did not compare in those other very important respects. Oh, and I’ll add to suenigma’s list that DC has really impressive breath control. He slides up and down, holds notes for infinity and then keeps going… it’s pretty cool to watch actually. And his ability to vary his tone so widely. He’s like a vocal chameleon sometimes. I’ll never claim that DC’s the best singer EVAH cuz he isn’t, but he’s pretty darn great at what he does.

Oh, suenigma, I am a huge Adam fan and I adore Cookie! I love his voice.

I was disappointed in the CD and only purchased three songs. I saw Cook’s show at the Nokia and saw him again at GMA and my stanning of David was rekindled.

Actually, I believe David and Adam are very similar. They both have big, beautiful voices; they are confident and have great stage presence, which comes from their musical theater background; they are charming, intelligent, articulate and witty; they both are very attractive guys.

I have high hopes for Cookie’s second record. He is so much better than his freshman debut. I also love the band. They are tight, talented musicians. Keeping my fingers crossed!

No matter what anyone says, David has sold a butt-load of records’ ¦I only hope Adam does as well.

In my heart I really believe that both of these boys will have long careers in the music biz.

Well said Mischa. I like/love a few more songs on his album than you did, but I agree that he is far better than much of the material on that first post AI effort.

Ah, that’s nothing! My video trumps yours Watch Carrie work ‘air compressor’  into the interview for $20!

http://www.abcactionnews.com/mediacenter/local.aspx?videoId=18836@wfts.dayport.com&navCatId=3&rss=823

LMAO. OK you win. The video is wall to wall awesome. I love the Paisleywood friendship. Carrie seemed just a little excited about fussmuckers too!

suenigma – you make some more really good points.
here’s a vid where Cookie says he’ll never tell what the new tat means
http://bit.ly/3eoghM