Idol Headlines for 11/08/09

I love Kellie Pickler. The woman is hilarious and never takes herself too seriously. OTOH, there is nothing sexy about Kat McPhee. Sexy isn’t how you look…it’s how you are.

LOS ANGELES’”’I did this myself, yeah,’  Adam Lambert said with a smile, amused at a female reporter’s question on who dressed him up or styled him today. ‘This is out of my own closet. I like clothes so ‘ ¦’ 

O/T, but Nathan was eliminated from Aussie Idol (upset). Now I can only root for Stan. Vids are on YouTube.

Yeah, that was a great interview! Adam’s parents need to write a book on childraising- they did an awesome job with him! He’s so positive and hard working and nice. Eber’s comments really make me happy- every child needs to hear that.

This site is into Adam! Search “Adam Lambert” there and you’ll find LOTS of articles on him all the way back to auditions; sometimes two and three articles per episode.

If this is any indication, Adam is going to have no problem with the international superstar thing.

MJ, can something be done about the editing function being all whacky?

http://www.mmr247.com/mmrweb/Reports/Reg/EMD.asp?SOngID=1697047&NumDays=7

How does this add up? Why is 248+37=321?

Some stations don’t report, and the seven day is a rolling chart. 321 is grand total, 248 is past seven days. Or something like that

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My father is teacher-oriented. He was very much guiding me through. I always felt weird and kind of out of place. I remember my father from my early age going, ‘It’s okay. When you’re older, everybody is going to want to be your friend, trust me. The weird ones are the ones that everybody wants to be like when they’re older.’ I really enjoyed hearing that as a kid. He gave me a little tip. He was like, ‘Hold on, just hold on. It will all work out. It will all fall into place. People will understand you later.’ So that gave me a lot of confidence, being like a strange kid. And my mom is just as supportive

I really did tear up when I read that.

I’m not going to harp on this but carrying over from the other thread.
Friendly advice to twitter happy Idol fans. Do not piss DJs off (especially when they work for the #1 Pop station in the U.S) to the point that they tweet this:

l Leave me alone! I dont need attention. You are giving **** a BAD NAME. I was just making a POINT. Get over it.”

I’m just passing along good advice for fans new to the Idolsphere. I think twitter opens up all kinds of doors for annoyance. So it’s good to stop the madness early. I remember back in the day when all fans could do was spam meaningless Internet polls.

gawd I love my flamboyant idol

2 WEEKS!!!!!!

edit: Don’t play mod. That’s my job

I think it’s interesting that Adam’s story by the Philippine Daily Inquirer is the second most read article listed in entertainment. The most read story is about Dionisia Pacquiao, probably the Philippines most famous mother celebrity today. Her son is World Boxing Champ Manny Pacquiao.

I’m not going to harp on this but carrying over from the other thread.
Friendly advice to twitter happy Idol fans. Do not piss DJs off (especially when they work for the #1 Pop station in the U.S) to the point that they tweet this:

l Leave me alone! I dont need attention. You are giving **** a BAD NAME. I was just making a POINT. Get over it.’ 

That sounds ugly.
You’d think after 7 years fans would have learn something.

Just saying — I don’t consider somebody that has done drugs, drinks excessively, has tongue lashing photos on the Internet, is gay and has done sex oriented photo shoots with a female as a role model and is keeping him grounded.

And as was posted in the other thread the DJ said it was only a ‘couple’ of looneys who harassed him. Things on the Twitter and the internet in general have way of being made into a much bigger deal then they really are.

luvadamlambert
11/08/2009 at 11:02 am
gawd I love my flamboyant idol

2 WEEKS!!!!!!

I >3333 adam. Such a nice, grounded person. Kudos to Eber and Laila for being wonderful parents. He doesn’t really deserve some of the hatreds that is out there.

BTW, same story also came out in Inquirer broadsheet today. They even put a nice lead in on the front page of the section so people won’t miss the section. Inquirer is one of the top 3 in circulation. Nice exposure.

Are we allowed to do a roll call online?

Hi there!…

I think it’s interesting that Adam’s story by the Philippine Daily Inquirer is the second most read article listed in entertainment. The most read story is about Dionisia Pacquiao, probably the Philippines most famous mother celebrity today. Her son is World Boxing Champ Manny Pacquiao.

True. Especially now that she is coming out in a movie. Though good exposure for Adam coz people read Inquirer. Got several text today from friends and family about it.

And as was posted in the other thread the DJ said it was only a ‘couple’ of looneys who harassed him. Things on the Twitter and the internet in general have way of being made into a much bigger deal then they really are.

If the DJ felt he had to say something it’s cause he was really annoyed. I don’t remember ever seeing a DJ tweet such things.

That Inquirer.net article is very insightful. You never know where life will lead. From an awkward outsider to a man who is on the verge of super stardom.

I love him and I’m happy that he has so much positive reinforcement in his life.

That sounds ugly.
You’d think after 7 years fans would have learn something.

They never do.

Twitter makes everything worse. Now we get to a new level of harassment. And its all in public where other people can see! All that djs followers have read his tweets. So, yeah, I would get ahold of those “couple” of people and talk them off the ledge if I were a member of his fandom.

If the DJ felt he had to say something it’s cause he was really annoyed. I don’t remember ever seeing a DJ tweet such things.

That’s because Twitter is new.

Ugh

Enjoyed the Adam interview. Looking forward to part two. Great Dad, Great Mom, Great Guy!

Just saying ‘” I don’t consider somebody that has done drugs, drinks excessively, has tongue lashing photos on the Internet, is gay and has done sex oriented photo shoots with a female as a role model and is keeping him grounded

I am a child of the 60′s/70′s and I know my parents were pleased that I survived and turned out well. I did some drugs and drank in my twenties, as did many, the grounding was knowing when to stop and grow up. I think Adam will turn out fine too!

The Ann Powers article about Adam that’s been floating around the internets the last couple of days is supposed to run in the print edition of the L.A. Times today. I hope someone in the area can snag a copy and scan it; I’d love to see how it looks!

Still love FYE, it sounds amazing over my car stereo!

googletot
11/08/2009 at 11:08 am

Just saying ‘” I don’t consider somebody that has done drugs, drinks excessively, has tongue lashing photos on the Internet, is gay and has done sex oriented photo shoots with a female as a role model and is keeping him grounded.

I’m absolutely not a fan of Adam’s music but I’m so a fan of Adam, the man. I find him to be absolutely a role model for that child who isn’t like all the others and doesn’t know why. I find him to be a role model for children who’s parents can’t accept them for who they are. I don’t have to like his music to think he’s a role model. Not all people are the same, and I have to believe that he strikes a resonant chord in quite a few people. Not everybody is David Archuleta (not that there’s a thing wrong with him, but he seems to me to be the obvious opposite of Adam Lambert) nor should everybody aspire to be.

If the DJ felt he had to say something it’s cause he was really annoyed. I don’t remember ever seeing a DJ tweet such things.

That’s because Twitter is new.

Yup new technology brings new evil in our daily lives. The effect is universal.

The Ann Powers article about Adam that’s been floating around the internets the last couple of days is supposed to run in the print edition of the L.A. Times today. I hope someone in the area can snag a copy and scan it; I’d love to see how it looks!

Borrowed from another board-
“It’s right-hand column front page w/Adam banner picture, continued to left-hand full-page with purple background picture. It all looks great.”

new vid for your entertainment
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vGwtDNNucAI

Z100 is giving some spins to LLWD. It would be good for FYE to get spins on Z100.

But Z100 should not be spammed by fans. Hm, would not be surprised if the Elvis Duran et al mention this tomorrow on their morning show either. Last thing any fanbase wants is to be Claymatey. Yikes.

As I posted before, my son is a 24 year old musician on tour in Europe right now who does remixes, writes dance music and who just signed his first record deal. The dance music he writes is very much for the hipster crowd, and so he does not like what is currently played on pop radio, but he is familiar with what sells there. Since my son does dance music, someone was curious about what he thought of Adam’s snippets. I emailed him and received his answer last night, so here is one industry musician’s perspective.

My son had never listened to FYE before, so I sent him that song along with a link to the snippets. I didn’t expect Adam’s dance music to be his kind of thing, and it wasn’t; my son’s dance music is eclectic and very different than what plays on pop radio, but he did email me back that he thought FYE sounded like a hit, and that he actually loved Adam’s ballads. He said Adam’s voice on some of them kind of reminds him of Rufus Wainwright’s ‘Halleluyah,’  which he loves.

Anyway, the fact that my son said he thought FYE sounded like a hit is a good sign to me that if Adam and his lable were going for a radio friendly song, they picked out one that makes sense.

It also seems good that there are already people posting dance videos to FYE. Obviously, people like to dance to it.

Performing live is such a strength for Adam. If he performs as well as I expect he will at the AMA’s, there will be media buzz about him and about the song-and then if there is a good music video that is performance based to go along with that, the song will pick up steam. Then people will see him perform live on Letterman and here and there as he promotes his album. His live performances are awesome and get people excited.

Like my son, I love Adam’s ballads, and expect them to be among my favorites from his album. I absolutely love what I hear of ‘Soaked’  and ‘Broken Open.’  Hearing Adam’s voice sing ballads makes me happy. But I also like the other songs. I like ‘Music Again’  and the songs like that as well. Of all the snippets, ‘If I had you’  is my least favorite, but who knows? It may grow on me when I hear the whole song. Adam’s songs do seem to grow on me. I find FYE in my head all the time these days.

I can’t wait to see Adam performing live on tour; I think people will go see him and that he will deliver, as he always has, and all of that will help him gain momentum as an artist and as an entertainer, which is, after all, what he wants to be.

Still love FYE, it sounds amazing over my car stereo!

I am so envious. FYE not released in my country yet. So excited for Nov. 23.

lamb-Love to see Adam, but I wish they’d left Allison out of it.

Here is the second half of the Phillipine article:

http://bit.ly/19cUYy

Just saying ‘” I don’t consider somebody that has done drugs, drinks excessively, has tongue lashing photos on the Internet, is gay and has done sex oriented photo shoots with a female as a role model and is keeping him grounded.

What is a tongue lashing photo? LOL

Z100 is giving some spins to LLWD. It would be good for FYE to get spins on Z100.

Only some spins now? They certainly have done right by the song and given it tons of spins since its debut, anyhow.

btw, the Z100 Jingle Ball at Madison Sq. Garden is sold out. Tickets can still be won through the station. The lineup is Taylor Swift, John Mayer, Justin Beiber, The Fray, Jordin Sparks, Kris Allen, Boys Like Girls, Pitbull, Owl City, and Jay Sean.

Great youTube video! Really fun.

I am listening to end of AT 40. Just heard Ryan say something was coming up about Idol, but I think he was referring to the new season. Wondering if KIIS will play FYE, LLWD, or FIBOU. I think FYE fits their format, but I bet anyone would fit (I mean, Matt Nathanson made Top 40 and was HUGE, and so was Jason Mraz).

Buderschnookie:

Borrowed from another board-
‘It’s right-hand column front page w/MUP banner picture, continued to left-hand full-page with purple background picture. It all looks great.’ 

Un, no it’s not. It’s not the front page news at all. It is however in Section E ‘Arts & Books’ on the first page right column with a photo. The article continues on page 14.

I have no idea what they mean by a ‘MUP banner picture’ Media Uncertainty Principle?

Nice article. Now to do the crossword and sudoku since I have that section dug out.

lamb-Love to see Adam, but I wish they’d left Allison out of it.

I kind of love the Adam/Allison’s Slow Ride duet from the Tour, it’s fun. I am thinking (hoping) for an Adam/Alisan Porter’s duet(dancing) in the near future. I thought it would be smoking, too. Idk.

What is a tongue lashing photo? LOL

Now THERE’S a picture I haven’t seen yet! Adam is bitching someone out and we missed it?

lamberthita
11/08/2009 at 11:25 am
new vid for your entertainment
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vGwtDNNucAI

Nice vids. Thanks for posting.

Borrowed from another board-
‘It’s right-hand column front page w/Adam banner picture, continued to left-hand full-page with purple background picture. It all looks great.’ 

Un, no it’s not. It’s not the front page news at all. It is however in Section E ‘Arts & Books’ on the first page right column with a photo. The article continues on page 14.

She did say front page Arts section- my bad if I accidentally implied anything else.

Just saying ‘” I don’t consider somebody that has done drugs, drinks excessively, has tongue lashing photos on the Internet, is gay and has done sex oriented photo shoots with a female as a role model and is keeping him grounded.

And that’s you. I for one have mad respect for him and the courage it takes to lay bare every thing he’s ever done. He has been candid, open and honest and has never attempted to explain or apologize. He’s lived his life. He has struggled. He has come to terms with the realities and is living them fiercely.

I have hella more respect for that person than some sanitized perform-bot or the televangelesque holier-than-thou hypocrites who judge and point fingers until the skeletons come flying out of their closets.

The more I listen to Danny’s new single “It’s Only” the more I love it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=84I9da0zu-c

I really do hope they all end up with hits because I like all top four from Season 8.

lamb-Love to see Adam, but I wish they’d left Allison out of it.

for once it wasn’t Kradam.

Ah, Ellie2, finally caught you. We need you!!!

http://www.planetfierce.proboards.com/index.cgi

Now THERE’S a picture I haven’t seen yet! Adam is bitching someone out and we missed it?

That’s unlikely.

If Miley Cyrus’s Party in the USA can get to #1, which it just did, then LLWD, FYE, and/or FIBOU should chart somewhere! Anyone listen to AT 40? Adison on there?

televagelesque

???

And that’s you. I for one have mad respect for him and the courage it takes to lay bare every thing he’s ever done. He has been candid, open and honest and has never attempted to explain or apologize. He’s lived his life. He has struggled. He has come to terms with the realities and is living them fiercely.

I have hella more respect for that person than some sanitized perform-bot or the televagelesque holier-than-thou hypocrites who judge and point fingers until the skeletons come flying out of their closets.

Applause.

I thnk that FYE is now playing on the KISS stations; it’s being played on KISS 108 FM in Boston. Mix station have not added it picked it up, it seems. I think Kirsten or Q3 said this should be a big week for FYE (single/album). I would think the same for LLWD, since KA drops next week. Cool for Kris on the Z100 Jingle Ball! Great lineup.

Buderschnookie: mad applause right here as well.

televagelesque

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LOL. Ross beat me to it!

televagelesque

Oops, forgot the n. Poor form when you’re making up words to misspell them.

The Ann Powers article about Adam that’s been floating around the internets the last couple of days is supposed to run in the print edition of the L.A. Times today. I hope someone in the area can snag a copy and scan it; I’d love to see how it looks!

Still love FYE, it sounds amazing over my car stereo!

My mom gets the LA times emailed to her and showed me that article this morning. Of course she didn’t know that I had already seen it XD

But Z100 should not be spammed by fans. Hm, would not be surprised if the Elvis Duran et al mention this tomorrow on their morning show either. Last thing any fanbase wants is to be Claymatey. Yikes.

Do DJs get mad at all recording artists fans that e-mail or call in requests? Or is it a prejudice to American Idols because the DJ is too cool to like an AI contestant?
I am thinking Miley’s fans e-mail and call in also and Britneys and the JoBros. Do their fans get criticized, by the DJs also?

monte
11/08/2009 at 12:02 pm

The more I listen to Danny’s new single ‘It’s Only’  the more I love it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=84I9da0zu-c

I really do hope they all end up with hits because I like all top four from Season 8.

I’m sure there’s a thread for this song, but I’m not going back to look for it. This is the first I have bothered to listen to the song, so here is where I’ll respond. It’s not a bad song. Danny Gokey was actually my favorite after auditions. I just didn’t like (at all) the ploys he used and the passes the judges gave him. I think the song isn’t bad. I don’t, however, think his voice is as good as I heard it way back when.

Oops, forgot the n. Poor form when you’re making up words to misspell them.

Televangelesque? Cool word. And I agree with every word of your post. Including that one.

Now THERE’S a picture I haven’t seen yet! Adam is bitching someone out and we missed it?

That’s unlikely.

Unlikely but it exists. Not every performance of Adam got posted to the internet.

I very much like Allison. I thought the duet with Adam was lots of fun. It’s just that I don’t want to see Allison connected to FYE in that video.
I brought up Allison and I have a question, if anyone would like to comment.
Could the Hispanic Business friendliness toward Adam be connected to his friendship with Allison?

Ok, just trying to catch up with things over the weekend. Read yesterday’s LONG headline thread too (well, some of it). And here’s my POV:

Love the comment about how in the real, non-AI world, most hit singles take many many months to really become a hit single. We are watching everything to such a fine degree here, from every angle, using every number available, which is making some of us fret too much about everyone’s potential for success. But in reality, I’d be much happier with all these guys doing really well over the long term, rather than just shooting up to #1 for a day because their fans bought 150 copies of everything. After all, AI is NOT the normal way things are done in the music biz Maybe it’s a good thing that we’re not seeing as much of the crazy typical AI behavior this year.

Also, in wondering about Adam’s RCA promotion, I’m thinking about a comment I believe Kirsten made a few days ago, about how Adam hadn’t yet been embraced by radio, while other media had very openly embraced him. It’s hard to say whether this was infact RCA/19′s strategy from the get-go (it very well could be), but I think this may be very true. So far, he has really dealt well with almost every other form of media (internet, magazines, tv, even movies with the 2012 and TII connections), but radio, not so much. He isn’t schmoozing with them, doing the interviews, etc. I’m not sure if this is part of the plan or not, to create a bigger brand for him BEYOND just radio, but it almost seems too deliberate to be accidental. IDK.

I do think more radio PR would be a good thing, though.

When I hear Adam being interviewed, he sounds like the type of guy I’d hang out with. There’s no artiface… no holier-than-thou… and almost no filter. Adam is grounded in a value system I support, i.e. live and let live. No judgment, no I’m-better-than-you because I believe XYZ. As he said/sang, A Change is Gonna Come. I predict that in my lifetime, this country will be free for ALL.

I for one have mad respect for him and the courage it takes to lay bare every thing he’s ever done. He has been candid, open and honest and has never attempted to explain or apologize. He’s lived his life. He has struggled. He has come to terms with the realities and is living them fiercely.

I have hella more respect for that person than some sanitized perform-bot or the televangelesque holier-than-thou hypocrites who judge and point fingers until the skeletons come flying out of their closets.

Just yes to this ^^^^^^^

Marry me.

ross
televagelesque ???

Television evangelicals border on burlesque? I don’t think that is a generalization, more of a reference to the holier than thou preachers who got caught with their pants down

The good ‘ole USA is basically a hedonistic country that pretends to be otherwise. I’d rather hear truth from Adam than lies from politicians and pundits.

It’s so spirited here already for so early in the day on a Sunday!

I’m glad Gideon is “living the dream”. Touring Europe in “Thriller Live” wouldn’t be my dream, but whatever!

And that’s you. I for one have mad respect for him and the courage it takes to lay bare every thing he’s ever done. He has been candid, open and honest and has never attempted to explain or apologize. He’s lived his life. He has struggled. He has come to terms with the realities and is living them fiercely.

I have hella more respect for that person than some sanitized perform-bot or the televangelesque holier-than-thou hypocrites who judge and point fingers until the skeletons come flying out of their closets.

Great post and I agree 100%.

But if fans think requesting a song from a station that hasn’t played it yet is a good idea, go at it. They’ll find out soon enough what a waste of time it is.DJs don’t mind if actual listeners to the station request songs. But that doesn’t usually happen until the radio station plays the song. Since Z100 hasn’t yet played the song in question, it’s obviously being requested by a fan base.

So if I don’t think Adam is a role model because I don’t dig his overuse of sexuality (Detail’s pic), I support hypocrites, Nice forced choice.

Jpfan sometime your comments confuse the heck out of me.

So if I don’t think Adam is a role model because I don’t dig his overuse of sexuality (Detail’s pic), I support hypocrites, Nice forced choice.

That is your leap, not mine. I just said I prefer honesty over sanctimonious hypocrisy. Any conclusions about your personal feelings are your own.

I agree. If a station is playing FYE or LLWD or FIBOU, def request it. If not, wait. I thought the djay at MIX was going to play FYE, b/c he knew it and said he liked (disco, lol), but he didn’t, so okay. KISS station in Boston is, so I think it’s fine to request it there, both online and via phone. I hope for more radio promo this week for FYE; we’ll see. That would help FYE adds, I would imagine.

Since Z100 hasn’t yet played the song in question, it’s obviously being requested by a fan base.

So if I don’t think Adam is a role model because I don’t dig his overuse of sexuality (Detail’s pic), I support hypocrites, Nice forced choice.

Duh. Every song that is requested is being requested by somebody’s fan base. Most people have no idea about radio playlists or spin counts or mediabase. They just want to hear a song they like played on the radio.

Adam was not stated as a role model. The debate is as to whether his parents support have make him a very grounded individual.

Carry on with the debate.

While I have no problem with Adam’s overtly sexual nature, I don’t think those who have problems with it are all hypocrites or prudes. People just have different comfort levels when it comes to sexuality. I do wonder how supportive some of you would be if Adam were a woman, however. I think it is common practice to throw around the word slut unfortunately when it comes to overtly sexual female singers, and I would hope someone who was fine with Adam’s levels of using sex would be fine with Britney, Paris or even Megan Joy for example.

Is Adam a role model? Depends on what you mean by it. Yes, he has a less-than-ideal past, but very few of us can say otherwise about ourselves. That he owns up to it and has gotten beyond it is courageous, and that, to me, is something to emulate.

And, yes, he drinks. Oh, horrors – a 27 year old man is drinking! He doesn’t get into fights or damage property.

In other aspects, he IS a role model. He owns his sexuality without apology – something all young people should do. He’s seems to have real work ethic, and he’s thoroughly professional about it – traits anyone should have. He’s always sweet, gracious and polite and rarely says anything negative about anyone else. He speaks grammatically and eloquently, with a huge vocabulary. He uses his twitter as much to promote others as for himself, so he’s generous and loyal. We know he was “camp counselor” to the other idols in the mansion and on tour, so we know they respected him. He also helped them with their music.

Yes, he’s somewhat vain, and he can go too far in terms of persona and overt sexuality and that can turn people off. He’s NOT perfect. But he’s a son that would make any parent proud, and it’s clear he does. To me, that spells “role model”.

Even if he doesn’t want to be, and I don’t think he does beyond, “See, weird kids? Things will work out.”

Since Z100 hasn’t yet played the song in question, it’s obviously being requested by a fan base.

They have played FYE. Elvis Duran has played it, I heard it on his show through Iheartradio app on my ipod.

I think it is common practice to throw around the word slut unfortunately when it comes to overtly sexual female singers, and I would hope someone who was fine with Adam’s levels of using sex would be fine with Britney, Paris or even Megan Joy for example.

Megan Joy was overtly sexual?

Duh. Every song that is requested is being requested by somebody’s fan base. Most people have no idea about radio playlists or spin counts or mediabase. They just want to hear a song they like played on the radio.

I sure as heck didn’t until a few months ago. Never knew about this behind the scenes stuff, didn’t care about charts outside of the weekend top 40, and I wish I didn’t know or cared about it still. Damn you Adam!

This is the LA Times online article, not the print version, but is the picture they used a new one? I haven’t seen it before.

http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/news/la-ca-adam-lambert8-2009nov08,0,3364352.story

Also, this may be the pic with the purple background?
http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/news/lat-ca-adam-lamb_ks8wnnc20091029162125,0,4441321.photo

LLWD has been receiving quite a bit of play on Detroit WDVD FM (96.3). I haven’t heard FYE on that station yet but someone mentioned they played it once shortly after it debuted on Ryan’s show.

I agree, gangreen. I don’t really have a problem with how Adam portrays himself either. However, I’m totally cool and I understand how others might. Certainly doesn’t make anyone a hypocrite. In addition, if I had young children, I certainly would have a problem with them “idolizing” Adam’s persona. JMO.

ETA: And this has nothing to do with his sexuality. It has to do with his overtly sexual portrayal of himself.

The second part of the articvle is up:
http://showbizandstyle.inquirer.net/entertainment/entertainment/view/20091108-235065/Why-women-still-want-this-gay-Idol

And since the article talks about Adam’s distinctive style:

I really don’t understand WHY Adam’s mgmt isn’t ALL OVER THE MERCHANDISING THING.

We know his stuff outsold all the other idols’ stuff at the tour concerts, there is Adam stuff all over Cafe Press, Zazzle, many fansites and eBay, yet Adam isn’t making anything from these.

We debate the importance of spins and adds, and seem to agree RCA has embraced Adam as a BRAND, yet WHERE ARE THE SHIRTS? STICKERS? BUTT SHORTS? Adam’s looks are ICONIC – which is a REAL BOON when developing a brand. . . all you need is the asymetrical spiky hair and peeps recognise it for ADAM.

A BRAND is built around awareness, and merchandise is HUGE in building awareness, as well as engendering fan loyalty. (MY husband is an OU nut, and OU stuff is all I ever get him – his polos, his hats, his golf stuff, belts, nearly everything is branded OU) OU has made a small fortune off of my husband’s obsession and ADAM could, and should be making some off of ours. When his fans wear his stuff, then others see it and are exposed/awareness and NAME RECOGNITION increase – and, if they have ANY SENSE AT ALL, the last vestages of the IDOL imagery will be replaced with the GLAMAGES he wants to put forward.

The cover release should have had a merchandise tie-in. The TfM music video should have had a merchandise tie-in (a pipe-dream since they couldn’t manage even GIVING the video away free). The AMA performance should have a merchandise tie-in.

If it is possible to have championship tee-shirts available to purchase before your car clears the lot after the bowl game, THEN WHERE THE HELL IS THE (official) ADAM GEAR???

Sorry for the confusion. I don’t think hypocrites are role models. But honesty alone isn’t enough either. Hope that clarifies it. I think Adam’s Detail pics really derailed the role model image on various levels. But that’s just me.

Megan Joy was overtly sexual?

For American Idol, hell yes. I also remember her being heavily criticized for playing up her sexiness, and a lot of people had some not so nice misogynistic things to say about her.

Megan Joy was overtly sexual?

LOL. Megan was pretty. She was too mechanical to be sexy, but I am sure many men will disagree. Adam said many times that she was hot.

Do DJs get mad at all recording artists fans that e-mail or call in requests? Or is it a prejudice to American Idols because the DJ is too cool to like an AI contestant?
I am thinking Miley’s fans e-mail and call in also and Britneys and the JoBros. Do their fans get criticized, by the DJs also?

Well, since those are popular artists with track records, I would imagine they get a lot of requests. And since not all of the songs from those people shoot up the charts, I would imagine stations have some mechanism for sorting out invested minority fanbase requesting from those coming from the general listening public.

It might also help that big chunk of the fans of those people come from the pop target demo of 12-22 year olds.

Here’s the thing. It SEEMS, and I could be wrong, that there are a number of Adam fans in defense mode right now. “Why are you picking on us? We don’t all act like this! We are not the only ones who do this! It’s not fair! You are blowing this out of proportion!” Which is cool, but you could be missing the point entirely, because this is not about you. This is about stuff that could hurt Adam’s career because it has hurt others in the past. If you are not doing this crazy stuff then fine, but if you have some influence with those who are, then perhaps it would be a good idea to try to get them to stop. It doesn’t help, and it could in fact do some damage if is allowed to go on. So it might be a good idea to try to nip some of this in the bud now.

An with that I’m done. Fell free to call me names now. LOL.

Good morning!

By any chance, is anyone going to the Live in the Vineyard Napa concert today? I am hoping for some video of Kris’ performance. Disappointed that no video has popped up from the Dream Foundation gala yet…

Also, don’t forget his full album is going to be streamed on popeater tomorrow. I read that David Cook’s album actually streamed at midnight, so maybe that will be the case here too?

Just checked the iTunes charts…FYE is still at #68 while LLWD is at #77 and FIBOU is at #216.

I’ve said this before, but I’m really worried about Allison. If the single drops completely off the charts by the the album drops, I’m thinking it is going to be really hard for it to become a hit. IMO, Jive needs to start getting her some sort of promotion prior to December 1 — because she appears to have by far the weakest fan base of the Top 4 coming off AI and she has to fight the other teenaged musicians who are big right now (he Mileys, Demis and Selenas of the world) for the tween fans. Is FIBOU getting any spins at all?

Of course, I was worried about Kris for awhile, and now it looks like he’s doing fine. LLWD was able to at least remain stable on the charts and consistently pick up spins every week, and now it’s moved up iTunes chart by more than 20 spots over the weekend and is a Top 40 radio hit. So maybe when Allison music video comes out (do we know when that will be?) and she starts doing some major promotion, FIBOU will rebound.

It is odd though that Kris is doing tons of promotion what with the radio interviews and the concert appearances while Allison has done very little of this stuff so far. I understand the winner of AI is going to get far more promotional opportunities than someone who finished 4th, but Allison’s album has been completed for awhile now and she’s filmed her music video. So shouldn’t she be doing at least the occasional promotion? IDK — I don’t get Jive’s strategy with her so far. Hopefully they prove my fears unfounded in the coming weeks…

Megan Joy was overtly sexual?

I never say it. They put her in sexy clothes on the Tour and she said they made her feel uncomfortable. They wanted Alexis to “dirty” her image up, which made ME uncomfortable. don’t think she stayed true to herself. I personally would never put Adam in the same category as Britney or especially Paris, however. Ugh. Adam has always said he has remained true to himself, was shocked that America embraced him. Talent certainly won the day. It’s okay if ppl don’t like what he is, cause that’s just who he is. He has never hid from it, and TPTB knew his Zodiac vids/pics were still up. He asked if they wanted him to take them off YouTube and they said no, it wasn’t necessary.

For your entertainment song. New vid with a nice title. LOL:) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=468zgoscCIk

I noticed with Adam people have done this too. Twitter is a crazy thing.

AimeeMayo Anyone else on here getting mean messages from people? I have someone who creates a new twitter account everyday just to send me nasty stuff

So far Adam has remained grounded, thanks to his upbringing in part, but also due to the fact that he struggled for a long time to get his foot in the door. He is not really an overnight sensation. He paid his dues and at 27 is old enough to appreciate all that is happening to him. It’s the kids who get plunged into fame at a very early age who usually have the most problems. If Adam’s head ever gets too big his family will be the first to tell him and because he has an excellent relationship with them, he will listen. In fact, that is one of his stellar qualities, he is a good listener and not just wrapped up in himself.

I think Adam’s Detail pic really derailed the role model image on various levels. But that’s just me.

I think, in some parts, that I get what you are trying to say. Are you trying to say, a role model for young kids should not be gambolling around with hot naked sexy chicks in a magazine spread?

I don’t know, young boys who are in to women might disagree with you. Not to mention the fathers of young boys that are into women.

Megan Joy was overtly sexual?

I didn’t think of her as overtly sexual until they stuck her in those thigh high hooker boots for part of DSB during the tour. I also hated when Alexis wore the hooker boots. I think the difference is that people feel protective, (or at least I do) in regards to Alexis and Megan Joy because it is still a boys club and you wonder how much control they had. I read that Megan hated her outfit, but didn’t have much choice in what she got to wear on tour.

Adam seems to pick what he wants to wear. So if anyone is sexually exploiting Adam, it’s Adam. He seems to be control of his image.

“readon
11/08/2009 at 12:37 pm
Megan Joy was overtly sexual?

LOL. Megan was pretty. She was too mechanical to be sexy, but I am sure many men will disagree. Adam said many times that she was hot.”

A gender that buys inflatable, anatomically correct dolls to “play” with wouldn’t be put off by “Mechanical” …

To be fair, we can’t discount any battery-powered devices purchased by either gender ….. so, nvm.

Megan Joy was overtly sexual?

I never say it.

Can’t edit. Meant *saw* it. I think she was fun, but not sexy. She’s just very pretty.

So a DJ is already speaking out against some of Adam’s fans? lol…how long did it take for Clay?

Studio57
11/08/2009 at 11:14 am
Just saying ‘” I don’t consider somebody that has done drugs, drinks excessively, has tongue lashing photos on the Internet, is gay and has done sex oriented photo shoots with a female as a role model and is keeping him grounded.

Are you by any chance one of Danny’s cousins?

Luckily there are lots of people out there one can consider role models, but I have to say that Adam’s parents deserve major kudos for having raised Adam to be the decent non-judgmental human being he is, lucky Adam and lucky them to have Adam for a son. Given how awkward it can be and how soul destroying it can be for children and teens not to fit in and to be odd and weird, to turn out to be as level headed as Adam has turned out is pretty amazing.

I think, all jpfan and tinawina are saying, (not to put words in their mouths) is that just a few loonies, unfortunately, is enough. Clay certainly had some fans that weren’t loonies. Taylor certainly had some fans that weren’t loonies (I consider myself one of those), BUT, all you hear about are the claymates and the OTT soul patrollers. It only takes a few to give the whole fanbase a bad name, unfortunate, but true.

So what’s everybody think about the Hot Leg guitarist playing on Mr. Lambert’s CD?

I think it’s a pretty bold collaboration for an Idol CD to have a hard-core rock presence on a track.

Personally, I love the style. I haven’t been able to stop listening to the new Hot Leg CD since I got it. I didn’t know anybody was even doing that kind of twin guitar riff rock n’ roll anymore. To do it with the irony of a hipster band is prett darn fun.

Hot Leg opening for Adam Lambert would be a rockin show. Especially in the UK.

I just enjoy the whole Idol phenom. The advice I gave about not annoying DJs was good. But if fans want to reinvent the wheel go at it. The is because people following Idol for awhile know this stuff is been there, done that.

I personally would never put Adam in the same category as Britney or especially Paris, however. Ugh

Suebrody, I obviously am not comparing their singing or anything, but all three use sex to sell their product. The Zodiac performances, Rolling Stone Cover, Details, and FYE all show that sex appeal is very important to the product that Adam is producing, so why when Adam uses his sex appeal does everyone applaud him, but when Paris does it you criticize?

AimeeMayo Anyone else on here getting mean messages from people? I have someone who creates a new twitter account everyday just to send me nasty stuff

AIMEE? They are doing this to AIMEE? Who? Why? This baffles and saddens me. She, Ferras, Alisan, and Ely seem like very nice, level-headed friends of Adam.

suebrody
11/08/2009 at 12:44 pm
Megan Joy was overtly sexual?

I never say it.

Can’t edit. Meant *saw* it. I think she was fun, but not sexy. She’s just very pretty.

I never saw it, I saw a beautiful young woman who dressed no differently than lots of women out there, who have the figure, do. It’s interesting that people say “for American Idol” she was overtly sexual. It just brings to mind, to me at least, how different the American Idol core audience must be and why some people popular on the show never become as popular out in the real world.

Glamberts=Claymates. I get it. What’s new? Obviously none. Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.

Sorry for the confusion. I don’t think hypocrites are role models. But honesty alone isn’t enough either. Hope that clarifies it. I think Adam’s Detail pics really derailed the role model image on various levels. But that’s just me.

oh so you feel Adam is a hypocrite for kissing a girl …gotcha… So girls got cooties or something? I don’t get your connection, but like you said that’s you. I admired how him and his perseverance and his willingness to be wild and adventurous even at the risk of backlash. He’s not hurting anyone or himself.

Not everyone is a role model for everyone. It’s true Adam may not be everyone’s idea of a role model in every particular of his behavior, but I don’t think that was the point. Let’s say he can be an inspiration to everyone who felt they couldn’t be a part of the world because they were too different. And also an inspiration to a lot of performers who struggle for recognition and despair of ever getting any. And an inspiration in many other ways.

CindyM- Thanks for bringing the other comments over. I thought it was much ado about nothing myself.

You don’t even know if these people are really Glamberts either. First of all they emailed to be anonymous. Just from lurking on fansites, almost every one of them (AO, IDF) will have a post about how NOT to spam the DJ’s. They give the whole history of Claymates and Soul Patrol, etc. so i doubt that even if it were glamberts spamming the dj, they would be dumb enough to sign it “Glamberts”.

There are alot of trolls on message boards that like to pose as a certain fan base just to make them look bad. They do that over on EW all the time. And I did notice in the mix of those twitters to that dj there was a very familiar name fanning the flames. Don’t want to give them any publicity but I am sure people get the idea.

o why when Adam uses his sex appeal does everyone applaud him, but when Paris does it you criticize?

Not criticizing. I just think Paris has *this* much talent. And I am not a Britney fan, so I can’t answer that. I would never deny her popularity, but I think her voice is pretty mediocre. If ppl like to see her wrap herself a pole, so be it. I have never been a big Zodiac, but I have NEVER doubted his talent. Still, it’s why I prefer TfM to FYE, I guess.

jpfan
11/08/2009 at 12:46 pm
I just enjoy the whole Idol phenom. The advice I gave about not annoying DJs was good. But if fans want to reinvent the wheel go at it. The is because people following Idol for awhile know this stuff is been there, done that.

I don’t usually agree with you, lol, but I definitely do agree with you in your advice. It’s a great lesson to remember. I just don’t like the generalization that starts everytime a “few looneys”, as the DJ clarified in his tweets, act up that gets attached to all fans.

I just enjoy the whole Idol phenom. The advice I gave about not annoying DJs was good.

The advice you gave is good. I have been to a few Adam sites and this advice was posted ad nauseum. On AO, there is a whole thread on how to approach radio stations. They have warned the fans about not being Claymates. The info at AO has been posted on other fan sites.

The responsible people in the fan clubs don’t want to emulate the Claymates, but you can’t control crazy.

Thanks for the good advice.

But if fans think requesting a song from a station that hasn’t played it yet is a good idea, go at it. They’ll find out soon enough what a waste of time it is.DJs don’t mind if actual listeners to the station request songs. But that doesn’t usually happen until the radio station plays the song. Since Z100 hasn’t yet played the song in question, it’s obviously being requested by a fan base.

Z100 has FYE on their request list, so it would mean they are expecting people to request it. And now with so many stations streaming online who is to say who is an actual listener or not?

Here’s the thing. It SEEMS, and I could be wrong, that there are a number of Adam fans in defense mode right now. ‘Why are you picking on us? We don’t all act like this! We are not the only ones who do this! It’s not fair! You are blowing this out of proportion!’ 

it is being blown out of proportion. BillytheKidd got into a twitter fight with ONE FAN! ONE! there weren’t excessive tweets flying around from other adam fans berating him, in fact it was the opposite.. the Adam fans were apologizing to him for *gasp* him getting emails AT WORK requesting *gasp* music…. now if he didn’t work at a radio station I might see his annoyance at this but alas he’s a DJ… DJs take requests for music… novel idea I know…

I think Adam’s Detail pics really derailed the role model image on various levels. But that’s just me.

I’m not sure I’ve ever read where Adam wants to be a role model for people. In fact I think he’s said he’s not your church or your babysitter. He wants to live his life open and honestly. If that inspires people then good… He does want to give some kind of hope to kids who are made to feel like they don’t fit in, he has said that. It’s funny, the kids who make those kids feel like they don’t fit in are probably the kids of the parents who sit in judgement on Adam. It’s a learned behavior…

A gender that buys inflatable, anatomically correct dolls to ‘play’  with wouldn’t be put off by ‘Mechanical’  ‘ ¦

To be fair, we can’t discount any battery-powered devices purchased by either gender ‘ ¦.. so, nvm.

LOL

Suebrody, I obviously am not comparing their singing or anything, but all three use sex to sell their product. The Zodiac performances, Rolling Stone Cover, Details, and FYE all show that sex appeal is very important to the product that Adam is producing, so why when Adam uses his sex appeal does everyone applaud him, but when Paris does it you criticize? </blockquote?

Beyonce, Shakira, Madonna use their sexuality all the time, I see them being applauded not ridiculed. Britney (whom I like) and Paris are ridiculed for other reasons like wearing mini skirts with no panties – that's just stank.

Not criticizing. I just think Paris has *this* much talent.

Define “talent.” lol

Paris has a few talents…um, where was I? Oh, yeah.

I was going to say something about Megan.

Megan Joy, “overtly sexual?” Ha. Hahahaha! I never saw that, sorry.
Pretty girl, sweet girl, nice girl.

Don’t know if someone already posted this:

http://www.ew.com/ew/gallery/0,,20310286_20317651,00.html

There are always a few looneys in every fanbase. I can’t read an Adam article on the net without Vada, who used to post here, spamming the comments with conspiracy theories regarding Adam and his fans sabotaging other Idols futures. I certainly don’t think that all fans are like her, no do I think a few Idol loonies, characterize the majority of Adam’s fan base.

True, it is interesting to read comments outside of mj’s (who has winnowed out most of the OTT fans of all stripes) and see the level of paranoia and nastiness and hate being perpetuated by idol fans of all stripes, pretty scary actually…

glamatheart
11/08/2009 at 12:41 pm
Just clarifying jpfan, when we get the winky smile or the ‘I’m not a fan of anyone, I’m just providing helpful information ‘ there’s nothing behind it but altruistic intention?

IF it’s altruism then jpfan a big thank you for your good intentions. Much appreciated.

If it is possible to have championship tee-shirts available to purchase before your car clears the lot after the bowl game, THEN WHERE THE HELL IS THE (official) ADAM GEAR???

TXArchitect, I think you make some very valid points. There is money in the merchandising. Every sports phenom, college, Bill O’Reilly knows this. I hope they have some plans for this.

Where are the Adam posters. They should be displayed prominently while the Walmart sound check is playing ove the store speakers.

I would proudly display an Adam TV shirt of his album cover. Many will disagree(each to his own), but I think its gorgeous.

Not everyone is a role model for everyone. It’s true Adam may not be everyone’s idea of a role model in every particular of his behavior, but I don’t think that was the point. Let’s say he can be an inspiration to everyone who felt they couldn’t be a part of the world because they were too different. And also an inspiration to a lot of performers who struggle for recognition and despair of ever getting any. And an inspiration in many other ways.

Thank you Ross. I can never express myself as well as you guys can.

I looked at the EOnline blurb about Kris with an inset youtube video of LLWD. Idiotic (with attached poll) and what a way to try to incite fanwars.

There are some well thought comments at least.

jpfan is and Elliott Yamin fan

Destry
11/08/2009 at 12:59 pm
Don’t know if someone already posted this:

http://www.ew.com/ew/gallery/0,,20310286_20317651,00.html

What’s cool is that it’s a prominant feature in the print magazine. I got my EW yesterday, and it looks great!

The Zodiac performances, Rolling Stone Cover, Details, and FYE all show that sex appeal is very important to the product that Adam is producing, so why when Adam uses his sex appeal does everyone applaud him, but when Paris does it you criticize?

Sure, sex appeal is important to Adam’s image. However, in my opinion, his insane talent overrides all of this. That, to me, is the difference……..

it is being blown out of proportion. BillytheKidd got into a twitter fight with ONE FAN! ONE! there weren’t excessive tweets flying around from other adam fans berating him, in fact it was the opposite.. the Adam fans were apologizing to him for *gasp* him getting emails AT WORK requesting *gasp* music’ ¦. now if he didn’t work at a radio station I might see his annoyance at this but alas he’s a DJ’ ¦ DJs take requests for music’ ¦ novel idea I know’ ¦

Not exactly. 1. THE STATION GOT SPAMMED, that’s what he tweeted about originally. 2. It doesn’t matter if you think getting tons of obsessive emails is his job, if he doesn’t like it, that’s trouble. 3. Again, this ain’t about you. Can y’all figure out a way to tell everyone don’t send emails to everyone on staff? LOL. That is the takeaway here, peeps.

That said, I think its good that he god a lot of apologetic tweets. That probably helped reverse the damage!

Don’t know if someone already posted this:

http://www.ew.com/ew/gallery/0,,20310286_20317651,00.html

Awesome!! I love that they even included FYE on the Must List in the first place; having it at #1 is icing on the cake. Diablo Cody mentioned “Adam Lambert’s new single” as a must-have for a camping trip or something she was going on in her EW column this week too, lol.

gangreen29
11/08/2009 at 12:48 pm
I personally would never put Adam in the same category as Britney or especially Paris, however. Ugh

Suebrody, I obviously am not comparing their singing or anything, but all three use sex to sell their product. The Zodiac performances, Rolling Stone Cover, Details, and FYE all show that sex appeal is very important to the product that Adam is producing, so why when Adam uses his sex appeal does everyone applaud him, but when Paris does it you criticize?

I can’t speak for Sue or anyone, but to me the obvious difference is that Britney was sexualized at a very young age and has had major mental health issues as a result of it (and still has them but is on medication for them now), and Paris has no talent IMO aside from releasing her sex tapes etc… Adam is an adult, he has talent, he is part of the Madonna, Lady gaga, Beyonce, Christina league in my opinion – they seem to be in control of their sexuality.
I think the day he is photographed getting out of a car flashing the photographers the way Britney, Lindsey, Paris have done, is the day those comparisons will be valid.

http://www.ew.com/ew/gallery/0,,20310286_20317651,00.html
Yep, so happy for Adam. It’s in print, too (which is where I have it, I might add ). EW has a big readership, so this kind of publicity, not generated by 19/RCA, should be capitalized upon, IMO.

One interesting thing. There was an article posted yesterday where students in their teens who are gay or transgendered or just outsiders (e.g., goths) were discussed. Adam’s name came up as someone whom they could use as a role model, someone who was secure with himself, was willing to be true to himself and believe in himself. Considering the amount of homophobia that still exists (as well as intolerance), it’s nice if teens can find someone to identify with.

ross
11/08/2009 at 12:51 pm
Not everyone is a role model for everyone. It’s true Adam may not be everyone’s idea of a role model in every particular of his behavior, but I don’t think that was the point. Let’s say he can be an inspiration to everyone who felt they couldn’t be a part of the world because they were too different. And also an inspiration to a lot of performers who struggle for recognition and despair of ever getting any. And an inspiration in many other ways.

^^THIS^^ Beautifully said.

The responsible people in the fan clubs don’t want to emulate the Claymates, but you can’t control crazy.

You can’t control crazy because the crazy fans think they are sane. What could someone be thinking when they rally hundreds of their followers to contact DJ’s and provide them a list to do so?

Z100 is giving some spins to LLWD. It would be good for FYE to get spins on Z100.

Only some spins now? They certainly have done right by the song and given it tons of spins since its debut, anyhow.

Um, what defines a ton? LOL. This was not a knock on Kris. I’m Switzerland, I have no pony in this race. It’s great to see him get some more traction and airplay in all formats. If z100 has given LLWD a ton of spins, how would you classify how they spun Battlefield and My Life Would Suck Without? Heh.

I looked at the EOnline blurb about Kris with an inset youtube video of LLWD. Idiotic (with attached poll) and what a way to try to incite fanwars.

Yeah, is EOnline always this bad? Pathetic.

I think the day he is photographed getting out of a car flashing the photographers the way Britney, Lindsey, Paris have done, is the day those comparisons will be valid.

Ah. Brain Freeze on that image. Lord, I hope he nevers gets that drunk. If he ever does, then bring on Danny’s cousin.

Honestly I have no opinion one way or another, as I’m not that invested, but perhaps Adam doesn’t want to be anyone’s role model. Perhaps he just wants to excite, entertain and sing. And hopefully sell records of course- lot’s of non “role model” types seem to do pretty well. It just seems like a circular argument to me, when we really don’t know what his motivations are.

ross
11/08/2009 at 1:09 pm
I looked at the EOnline blurb about Kris with an inset youtube video of LLWD. Idiotic (with attached poll) and what a way to try to incite fanwars.

Yeah, is EOnline always this bad? Pathetic.

EOnline is always this bad. Almost every article about Kris or Adam compares them to each other, or throws an insult to the other in order to get lots of comments. I ignore that website for the most part now, it gets too ugly there.

readon
11/08/2009 at 1:10 pm
I think the day he is photographed getting out of a car flashing the photographers the way Britney, Lindsey, Paris have done, is the day those comparisons will be valid.

Ah. Brain Freeze on that image. Lord, I hope he nevers gets that drunk. If he ever does, then bring on Danny’s cousin.

LOL – maybe she could do an intervention with Britney, Lindsey and Paris – I’m sure she could whip them into shape (or some underwear)

Honestly I have no opinion one way or another, as I’m not that invested, but perhaps Adam doesn’t want to be anyone’s role model. Perhaps he just wants to excite, entertain and sing. And hopefully sell records of course- lot’s of non ‘role model’  types seem to do pretty well.

very very true

In my opinion, it’s never a good idea to try and make musicians, actors, athletes, etc. role models. I can admire them for their talents and be impressed by their characters, but since I don’t personally know them, I really have no clue on whether any of these people are the type of person I’d want my kids (if I had any, which I don’t) to look up to. To me, role models should be your family members, your teachers, your friends — people you actually interact with on a regular basis.

To me, Adam isn’t any more of a role model than Kris. Both appear to be wonderful, grounded guys who were raised very well by loving families. Both have overcome major hurdles in their lives to get where they are today. For example, Adam has had to deal with not being afraid to be who he is in the face of some nasty homophobia. Kris nearly died after falling seriously ill on a mission trip and has had to overcome some peoples’ opinions of what evangelical Christians are like. But I would bet that neither guy is perfect by any stretch of the imagination. And, IMO, neither should be expected to be a role model to anyone outside of their own family (and perhaps their close friends).

Not exactly. 1. THE STATION GOT SPAMMED, that’s what he tweeted about originally. 2. It doesn’t matter if you think getting tons of obsessive emails is his job, if he doesn’t like it, that’s trouble. 3. Again, this ain’t about you. Can y’all figure out a way to tell everyone don’t send emails to everyone on staff? LOL. That is the takeaway here, peeps.

Where did he say he got OFFENSIVE emails? he said he was getting requests to play FYE on his WORK email. You twisting it to say they were offensive is part and parcel to the game of telephone IMO….

As Ross said the better word is inspiration.

She didn’t say offensive, she said obsessive.

Girlygirl, well said. I think it’s great if students, etc. can use a celebrity to look up to as a role model or an inspiration, whether it be Adam, Kris, Danny, Allison, Scott, etc. But if not, that’s cool, too. Enjoy the music.

Maybe if self-proclaimed Glamberts just heed the advice of this Z100 DJ, this will just die. Perhaps, because this guy likes Adam, he was trying to let his well-intentioned fans know that that type of behavior is not helpful. So rather than go crazy now against this DJ or make him enemy numero one in the “Glam Nation”, maybe they should just take the perceived slam and just move on. Lesson learned. Take the constructive feedback and let it go. Somehow, I don’t think that will happen and the only person who is hurt in this will be Adam.

Memes can be hurtful. It would be unfortunate for Adam if this allegedly obsessive behavior sticks to his fanbase.

I think the day he is photographed getting out of a car flashing the photographers the way Britney, Lindsey, Paris have done, is the day those comparisons will be valid.

Forget Adam, any male entertainer flashing paparazzi their naughty bits would be beyond hilarious. We must rally someone to do it. I vote Russel Brand. LMAO!

I’m thinking a term like “role model” is too subjective to define definitively. It means different things to different people. And as as previously mentioned, role model to whom? I think Adam has always talked about being a role model to outcasts, to people who felt weird. That seems about right to me.

Where did he say he got OFFENSIVE emails? he said he was getting requests to play FYE on his WORK email. You twisting it to say they were offensive is part and parcel to the game of telephone IMO’ ¦.

I said obsessive, as in emails from obessive fans who were spamming the station. That was how I read it.

Again, is this about you? Did I call YOU an obsessive fan? I said he seemed to be giving a warning that bombarding the station was not a way to go, and perhaps y’all should try to get the word out to those who are doing it. Did I call the whole fanbase nuts? No. I am suggesting that if a DJ from a top station gives some advice, perhaps it would be better to take it seriously and not try to find ways to dismiss him. He was pretty direct with what he said, IMO.

Sure, sex appeal is important to Adam’s image. However, in my opinion, his insane talent overrides all of this. That, to me, is the difference’ ¦’ ¦..

I totally agree, dcglam. I’ve long had this debate about marketing and merchandising. Let’s take Disney for example. Disney, as we all know, is a master marketer/merchandiser and I don’t really have a problem with that if at the core is quality product.

I say merchandise the hell out of your Pixar films because Pixar product is consistently at near-genius level. They are the end-result of a team of wildy talented people working their asses off to create a quality product.

What I cannot abide by is when people mistake the packaging for the substance. Paris Hilton = excellent (albeit EXTREME) example. To go back to another kid-market example, the Power Rangers and their ilk. The shows were shoddily created for the sole purpose (IMO) of selling merchandise.

If a performer wants to use sex (or not) in their style, that’s their choice if it is enhancing core quality, not being used for an easy selling hook.

Adam’s interests are edgy. He’s never been one to play it safe and sexuality is one element of his performance choices, the same way the music, choreography or costume selection might be. But underneath all of that is a hard-working artist with insane talent.

I was worried about Kris for a bit, but hes been making his rounds, working really hard and Im happy its paying off. His single is on the rise now and is about to pass Adam’s on ITUNES. Now, Im really worried about Allison. When is she going to start promoting?

Sasha B: Z100 is giving some spins to LLWD. It would be good for FYE to get spins on Z100.

Me (ross):Only some spins now? They certainly have done right by the song and given it tons of spins since its debut, anyhow.

Sasha B: Um, what defines a ton? LOL. This was not a knock on Kris. I’m Switzerland, I have no pony in this race. It’s great to see him get some more traction and airplay in all formats. If z100 has given LLWD a ton of spins, how would you classify how they spun Battlefield and My Life Would Suck Without? Heh.

I didn’t think it was a knock on Kris at all, just that LLWD getting “some” spins on Z100 was a very mild description of its actual perfomance on that station, if I’m not mistaken.

If people don’t think Adam wants to be an inspiration, than why get upset when someone says he isn’t? I also think celebrities can be role models, take Susan Sarandon for example. She has used her celebrity to really fight for change she believes in. Adam has a great opportunity to be a champion for gay rights. If he chooses not too, that is fine, it is his personal choice. Just like I can respect Susan Sarandon for her work, at the same time I can lose respect for Adam when he doesn’t use the gift of celebrity he was given to fight for change. That is my personal choice.

In my opinion, it’s never a good idea to try and make musicians, actors, athletes, etc. role models. I can admire them for their talents and be impressed by their characters, but since I don’t personally know them, I really have no clue on whether any of these people are the type of person I’d want my kids (if I had any, which I don’t) to look up to. To me, role models should be your family members, your teachers, your friends ‘” people you actually interact with on a regular basis.

ITA. In the article, it seems that Adam’s Dad, Eber, was a role model for him. That is what was so touching about the article. His mom and his dad supporting him got him through a confusing time in his life. His dad kept reminding him that later he would be understood. He is now in a place where that seems to be coming through and he just want to return the encouragement to others.

That is what good parenting does. You learn from what your parents did for you and you want to make sure that your kids or the people you mentor get the benefit of the support that you have received. You just want others to have the opportunity to have that loving safety shield enfold them and support them.

Do DJs get mad at all recording artists fans that e-mail or call in requests? Or is it a prejudice to American Idols because the DJ is too cool to like an AI contestant?

History suggests that a larger number of AI fans than other fans make rather heated requests, over-persistent requests, and “requests” that include insults and threats. Not that *no* other fans do this. But there’s a level of personal investment in Idols that tends not to exist between fans and other musicians.

With Idols, it often is not at *all* about the music for some very fervent fans — it’s personal. And that’s something that the djs don’t encounter as much elsewhere …. Plus the fact that this is often done while the fan is pushing music that doesn’t in the least fit the format of the stations, such as songs by Clay or Taylor. ….

And, of course, if you’re an Idol, you’re understandably –though unfairly — viewed as an heir to all this history, so the first person who does it for Adam or Kris is considered by many to be just one in a long line who’ve done it for Clay, Taylor, etc. …. Not fair to them, of course, but you can see how it happens.

Bottom line: I so hope that all fans of all Idols have learned to just request like normal people instead of like over-the-top defensive mother hens. Not holding my breath for this, though.

LOL. Since we are parsing here. How many spins has Z100 given to Kris?

Because I’m not sure what constitutes a “ton” or what is the “mild description” of a ton? Seriously. I know Kris is getting spins. But now I’m curious to know what his overall radio play is.

With Idols, it often is not at *all* about the music for some very fervent fans ‘” it’s personal. And that’s something that the djs don’t encounter as much elsewhere ‘ ¦.

This is so true, it has amazed me over the years how invested fans can get in an American idol, and I think it is because some people really do tie up some of their self worth into the success of their idol. They spent months voting and being obsessed with them, and every success or failure of the idol they take personally.

Wanda Sykes poked some fun at Adam’s cover

http://www.mr-l.org/wanda-sykes-makes-a-joke-of-adam-lamberts-album-cover-in-her-new-show/

gangreed29 -I don’t think anyone was upset – they were expressing an opinion same as you.

Kris Allen’s kindergarten teacher talks about the new American Idol

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dy1SlYjaydg

Here’s a short clip of an interview Adam did with an Israeli tv station at the 2012 press junket this past week. Nothing special but he looks really cute. He talks about singing in Hebrew.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dO0csi471HA

To me, Adam isn’t any more of a role model than Kris. Both appear to be wonderful, grounded guys who were raised very well by loving families. Both have overcome major hurdles in their lives to get where they are today. For example, Adam has had to deal with not being afraid to be who he is in the face of some nasty homophobia. Kris nearly died after falling seriously ill on a mission trip and has had to overcome some peoples’ opinions of what evangelical Christians are like. But I would bet that neither guy is perfect by any stretch of the imagination. And, IMO, neither should be expected to be a role model to anyone outside of their own family (and perhaps their close friends).

I just had to comment on how wonderfully this was said…Great job girlygirl

MJ – question for you…I need to order the deluxe edition CD from AO…do you get something if I click on the ad on your site? I know you do for the Itunes and Amazon but wasn’t sure how the artist sites work.

OMG…an Adam fan who hasn’t ordered the Deluxe CD yet…shocking!!!! (Said with an Adam snark and wink).

lucy great post, very well said.

Just saying ‘” I don’t consider somebody that has done drugs, drinks excessively, has tongue lashing photos on the Internet, is gay and has done sex oriented photo shoots with a female as a role model and is keeping him grounded.

Adam is not trying to be America’s role model.

I totally agree, dcglam. I’ve long had this debate about marketing and merchandising. Let’s take Disney for example. Disney, as we all know, is a master marketer/merchandiser and I don’t really have a problem with that if at the core is quality product.

I say merchandise the hell out of your Pixar films because Pixar product is consistently at near-genius level. They are the end-result of a team of wildy talented people working their asses off to create a quality product.

Great analogy, Susan M!

I really don’t understand why Idol alumni have to be saddled with the ‘role model’ tag. They drink; they swear; they have sex – and thank goodness for that!

If people find someone they see on the show inspirational for whatever reason, then great.

But that’s the fan’s investment – if it was made based upon a faulty conception of what that person was like, then that’s the fan’s faulty perception, not the idol’s fault.

I’m not an Adam fan by any definition, but I respect his openness and decision to be himself, live the life he wants to live and project the image that he wants to project. Gay or straight is pretty immaterial to me: being true to yourself is an attractive quality in anyone.

I don’t see why he should need to beat the drum for gay rights either. He is gay and openly so – that’s great. Making it a huge issue in his career could put off many people who would otherwise love his stuff, not because they’re homophobic (I can’t imagine anyone that prejudiced giving him a chance anyway) but because they don’t want to face a political manifesto about sexual preeference every time they tune into see a musician.

The Zodiac performances, Rolling Stone Cover, Details, and FYE all show that sex appeal is very important to the product that Adam is producing, so why when Adam uses his sex appeal does everyone applaud him, but when Paris does it you criticize?

IMO the over riding factor in discussions of this nature is the ratio of substance to style.

How much he can get away with in terms of pushing limits with hyper-sexualized performances or theatricality or onstage swagger is completely dependent upon the talent he brings with him. As long as he can bring one percentage point more substance than style he is good IMO.
And he does.
And he still has tons of wiggle room, too.

Also- Adam leaves that performer persona onstage. He is not “that guy” when he does his interviews or lives his life. If he had ever presented himself as “onstage Adam” during his offstage moments he would have been crucified on Idol and would already be a footnote.

The fact that his real self is very boy next door- adorable boy next door even, will always be his saving grace no matter what antics he pulls onstage.

Dang everybody is so well spoken today…well almost everybody. I find myself smiling and agreeing with a lot of these posts.

Not everyone is a role model for everyone. It’s true Adam may not be everyone’s idea of a role model in every particular of his behavior, but I don’t think that was the point. Let’s say he can be an inspiration to everyone who felt they couldn’t be a part of the world because they were too different. And also an inspiration to a lot of performers who struggle for recognition and despair of ever getting any. And an inspiration in many other ways

Or an inpiration for those who might have gotten a little lost, and engaged in some, admitted by him, destructive/bad things, but who can recognize it and stop those destructive things. It’s good to know for some, that there is hope that even if you did something bad, you can stop and later achieve good things. People sometimes slip and fall, and it’s good to know that they can get up and get better. I personally find that inspiring and I know that a lot of people do slip in their lives, let ye who is without sin cast the first stone, and all.

Besides, I don’t need or expect people I admire to be perfect. I’m sure not. I admire people who don’t continue destructive behaviours and instead continue to try and be better. It’s about all I expect from someone in my personal life, much less the lives of celebs.

Of course I also don’t find enjoying sex and wanting to be sexy, as necessarily bad, either. And wanting others to be sexy, or acting sexual on stage, isn’t all there is to Adam. After all he is also the guy who enjoys doing ballads and songs about heartbreak, and in his personal life, is someone who wants to be in love, not just be a slutbag. People are mentioning his Zodiac shows, but he was also still doing Upright Cabarets and most of them for him, are usually about love, and it not going well, but about the search for love that most people engage in.

Anyhew, about that Israeli interview, cute and yes, Adam didn’t continue Hebrew school (got a bloody nose, IIRC) and didn’t even bar mitzah, so not surprising his Hebrew is almost non-existent.

Lots of emotion here on a fine Sunday, lol!

Here’s the thing: Adam is who he is. For some, he comes across as a grounded, hard-working, level-headed sweet guy who is trying to make it in a tough business. Others see the sexuality and the lifestyle and are squicked out. To each their own. Me, I can be a fan of someone’s music and not love every choice they make in their personal life. If that’s not you, there’s gotta be lots of other music out there recorded by artists whose values align with your own. Adam isnt’ going to change who he is, and getting upset about that seems like a waste of energy.

Adam has clearly said he doesn’t expect to appeal to everyone, and for me, his courage in staying true to himself is admirable. If I had kids, I would be delighted if Adam was one of their role models.

And why should Adam be expected to take on gay rights causes just because he is gay? He’s been in the public eye for mere months, and has already advocated for kids in the arts and spoken up for arts education. We don’t know what he will do in the future, and for now Adam needs to concentrate on making a name for himself and getting his music out there, period.

I’m choosing to see it as a good thing that a singer from AI sparks debate about some pretty heavy issues. Carry on.

Just saying ‘” I don’t consider somebody that has done drugs, drinks excessively, has tongue lashing photos on the Internet, is gay and has done sex oriented photo shoots with a female as a role model and is keeping him grounded.

Drinks excessively? That’s pretty funny, because I’ve noticed that whenever he talks about drinking, he mentions “a few cocktails” or champagn… seriously people, that’s not an excessive drinker, lol

And besides that- he seems to just be having fun- it definitely doesn’t seem like he has some sort of substances problem- he seems to be in control, but to intentionally go wild every now and then…
Cocain aside (which I think is bad bad bad-and apperently so does he these days), people should learn a lesson from him…
JMO

And why should Adam be expected to take on gay rights causes just because he is gay?

If Adam does not want to take on gay rights causes, that is fine for him, but it doesn’t mean I can’t respect him a whole lot less. There are plenty of celebrities willing to take on tough causes, so I am not going to cut him any slack on that one.

LOL. Since we are parsing here. How many spins has Z100 given to Kris?

Because I’m not sure what constitutes a ‘ton’  or what is the ‘mild description’  of a ton? Seriously. I know Kris is getting spins. But now I’m curious to know what his overall radio play is.

His overall radio play? Those figures are posted here rather frequently.
I believe they can be found in the Mediabase Soundcan charts.

(click on the purple links below:)

As you see here, he has entered the Top 40 for air play.

I believe he is higher on the AC charts than the pop, but I don’t know enough about this stuff. Maybe someone else can help you out with more specifics.

Here’s a map showing stations that are either playing or have added LLWD. The map can be expanded to show worldwide plays as well.

Kris is doing well on the charts the past few days LLWD has been rising.

Ross- NOW THAt map was cool. That’s the kind of stuff I can understand! Good for LLWD!

For the Daughtry fans, he has been giving tickets incl VIP passes away to his concert on almost every stop in the last week. He is doing it right now.

There are people on twitter who have spotted Kris and his family yesterday and today up in Napa (his concert there is tonight). Evidently glasses!Kris is still present (no pics, though – boo!)

And he still has tons of wiggle room, too.

Oh yeahhhh~ Tons of wiggle! errr, I mean wiggle room (blush).

Yes, I see that Kris moved up on Top 40 to #39.

So, Z100 Mediabase spins for 21 /23 LLWD 33/37 -4 1.8662.

LLWD remains at #24 on HAC

Total AI is 9.6 (nationwide/all formats)
Spins at 2027 (nationwide/all formats)

If that ^ constitutes a ton of spins from Z100, then we should just agree to disagree on what constitutes “some” and “ton”. *shrug* Let me reiterate that I am glad that LLWD is gaining in spins.

I have heard Adam say that now is not a time for him to take on “gay rights.” Obviously, he supports them, and he has been spotted at gay rights rallies, but this is not a time for him to need to be a spokesperson for anyone. He needs to focus on his career right now; this is his chance, he has the platform, he wants to utilize it. I do not believe Susan Sarandon and Tim Robbins were spending a lot of time advocating for causes when they were just starting out.

What I have said before, and what bears repeating, I think, is how much of a role model Adam can be by continuing to illustrate the amount of time and effort he has had put in to get to this point. No one (well, that’s not true–directors on the cruise ship and in Wicked) doubted his talent. But he also couldn’t get a break. He was humble, he worked hard, and he believed in himself. He gives back to a cause that he finds extremely im0ortant–education. I do not remember when I have been as touched as I was when Adam went to the performing arts school and spoke to the children and told them not to give up (with the little boy asking how he go to sing and dance so good and and he said by hard work and not giving up). He was overweight growing up, he didn’t date, he felt like an outsider, in part because of his gender preference, but he did NOT give up. And I think THIS is why I and many others are so invested in his career; not just because he is so bloody talented but because of his determination. I have always found it inspiring. When he said he did the Israeli fundraiser b/c he was out of work, boy, was that true. He spent 10 years struggling for work. And now it’s being to pay off, and I want RCA to do everything it can to help him achieve his goals.

If Adam does not want to take on gay rights causes, that is fine for him, but it doesn’t mean I can’t respect him a whole lot less. There are plenty of celebrities willing to take on tough causes, so I am not going to cut him any slack on that one.

Adam is trying to start a career as an openly gay man and be a pop star, that in and of itself, is unusual and tough in and of itself. Not everyone has to actively work for other gay rights, what Adam is doing by being openly gay is working for gay rights. It shouldn’t be such a big deal that people are openly gay, but it is, especially when starting out a career in pop/rock music. So just by being who he is, trying to be true to that, being open about his sexuality and when asked, telling people that it rightly shouldn’t matter, that Adam actually does advocate for gay rights, right now.

Is he as active politically as others? no. Is he as active politically now as he might be later? Probably not. But he’s a guy in his twenties who is concentrating on trying to get his career off the ground. There is nothing wrong with that being his focus, the same way it is for Kris to try and get his career off the ground and not advocate for his pet causes. However Kris isn’t covering new ground by being an openly Christian, white hetrosexual male, whereas Adam is just by being openly gay. Now should being openly gay matter? It shouldn’t, but honestly it’s still a big deal or otherwise more entertainers who are, would be out.

It’s why Adam will be in Out magazine soon, and probably on their cover, because there is no “just,” about being out right now.

If Adam does not want to take on gay rights causes, that is fine for him, but it doesn’t mean I can’t respect him a whole lot less. There are plenty of celebrities willing to take on tough causes, so I am not going to cut him any slack on that one.

So essentially anyone not willing to dance to your tune loses respect? Oookay. Not taking up the tough causes? You mean like publicly coming out and treating it like the matter-of-fact reality that it is? Not wanting special treatment? Asking just to be accepted for his music and never once playing the G-card when he lost?

And Jackie Robinson just wanted to play baseball.

Living the life sans soap box is often far more powerful for a cause than passing out leaflets, IMO.

SashaB
11/08/2009 at 1:23 pm
Maybe if self-proclaimed Glamberts just heed the advice of this Z100 DJ, this will just die. Perhaps, because this guy likes Adam, he was trying to let his well-intentioned fans know that that type of behavior is not helpful. So rather than go crazy now against this DJ or make him enemy numero one in the ‘Glam Nation’ , maybe they should just take the perceived slam and just move on. Lesson learned. Take the constructive feedback and let it go. Somehow, I don’t think that will happen and the only person who is hurt in this will be Adam.

Memes can be hurtful. It would be unfortunate for Adam if this allegedly obsessive behavior sticks to his fanbase.

I think the DJ gets it, hence, his comment about a couple of loonies. And the rest of us really can’t control what a few “self-proclaimed Glambert” loonies will do (if they are even fans at all) so why fret about something we have zero control over? I’m sure the exact same thing happened with a couple of Cook or Archie loonytunes, we just never knew about it because nobody twittered back then.

If that ^constitutes a ton of spins fro Z100, then we differ on semantics. *shrug* Let me reiterate that I am glad that LLWD is gaining in spin

Can’t argue much more about this, Z100 has played LLWD very frequently. It is added to their playlist and frequently has made their Top Five At Five request list. Your use of the phrase “some spins” was simply not accurate. If “tons” was the expression of mine that bugged you, I take it back.

Thanks, star, for that Israeli vid. The official 2012 website is interesting. The two options on the home page are for Adam’s music video, and for the movie trailer. I’m not really sure what they expect that song to do for the film, or vice versa. It’s just so tied together. Looking at the international release dates, if 2012 comes out and TFM doesn’t chart higher (or for the first time) in any of these countries, then would that mean the song’s pretty much dead in the water? Go, Finland!
http://www.sonypictures.com/movies/2012/international/

David Cook question – I casually watched S7 but I really loved his performance of “Hello” and was happy that he won. Then didn’t hear him on the radio or know anything about him until S8, but was impressed that his album had gone platinum in a few months. Didn’t it go 1.2 million from November to March or something? I’m not sure why RCA is being criticized a year from now. How have they messed up? Is Cook considered a failure? Because I see articles being written about him all the time now on the blog, he’s obviously touring non-stop, gets TV exposure on AI and Extreme Makeover and the Carrie Underwood variety special. He’s going to be making a second album.

So if Adam (talk about time for miracles) gets a platinum album out of this, and some touring both domestically and internationally, then a year from now, will peeps still say RCA screwed up the release of FYE so he’s a failure? I’m not saying he’ll go platinum, just to be clear, or that RCA shouldn’t get criticized. Is this the way it works every year?

Regarding radio, Elvis Duran of Z100 tweeted Adam to come in with his single because Gaga was talking highly of Adam. This was last week or something. I’m thinking RCA has some kind of radio promo plan that we’re not privy to?

As for LLWD, I thought it sounded like a Top40 hit the first time I heard it. Looks like Kris is working his butt off and the song’s catching – that Z100 line-up and his other Jingle ball stuff is pretty equivalent to an AMAs performance, in terms of star line-up. Good for him.

Lynne, thanks for bringing over your son’s thoughts.

And since I’m babbling here, Danny sounds really good on his single. I’ve always thought his voice was gorgeous. Very smart for him to have a single so far ahead of his album release.

Living the life sans soap box is often far more powerful for a cause than passing out leaflets, IMO.

ITA

Leading by example works much better than most speeches can do.

Living the life sans soap box is often far more powerful for a cause than passing out leaflets, IMO.

I agree with this 100%.

Living the life sans soap box is often far more powerful for a cause than passing out leaflets, IMO.

Susan M. The clapping smiley was made for posts like yours. Living his life as an openly gay man at the very start of his career isn’t cause enough? Wow.

Another 2012 interview. I hadn’t seen yet, not sure if it’s been posted:

http://www.iltasanomat.fi/videot/uusimmat/1749311

Living the life sans soap box is often far more powerful for a cause than passing out leaflets, IMO.

Leading by example works much better than most speeches can do.

Well, I’m not sure what the OP meant by taking up tough causes, but I do think there is way to address gay causes without perpetually living on a soap box. I mean, just being openly for gay marriage, or being willing to be asked about issues in interviews can be helpful. The other thing to consider is that for some people, just even mentioning that you are gay or speaking out in favor of some right or another from time to time is “shoving it in people’s face” just for the fact that you even talked about it. So I don’t know. I can see it both ways here, but I would hope he’ll go a little farther than just treating it like its a non issue never to be mentioned because “it doesn’t matter”. I think that feeds into the idea that he should never talk about it or he’d be “preaching”.

In any case, after seeing that album cover, I don’t think that will be his problem. LOL.

Living the life sans soap box is often far more powerful for a cause than passing out leaflets, IMO.

This is beautiful.

Truthiness
11/08/2009 at 2:37 pm
Adam is trying to start a career as an openly gay man and be a pop star, that in and of itself, is unusual and tough in and of itself. Not everyone has to actively work for other gay rights, what Adam is doing by being openly gay is working for gay rights. It shouldn’t be such a big deal that people are openly gay, but it is, especially when starting out a career in pop/rock music. So just by being who he is, trying to be true to that, being open about his sexuality and when asked, telling people that it rightly shouldn’t matter, that Adam actually does advocate for gay rights, right now.

Truthi – your entire post was worthy of quoting, but I just quoted your first paragraph.

I seriously don’t understand people’s concerns about what Adam does or doesn’t do. He is first and foremost a singer/entetainer. When we are listening to his music, are we thinking ((he is gay — is he helping the gay issues, how much does he drink, is he a role model, etc.). When I see him in concert, my ears and eyes are going to be focused on him singing and performing. I’m not paying to see him because he fits a certain role model/behavior.

In the interview that CindyM posted, Adam is graciously saying that he doesn’t know if he will tour.

Isn’t it pretty much a given that Adam WILL tour? It seems even Allison is in the process of putting a band together. That would indicate to me that she is touring. If Allison is selling the least, and is still touring, why is it such a secret that Adam is most likely touring?

Great post, Susan M. I totally agree with you. I think one of the interviews that touched me the most was the 20/20 interview. Hearing his mother talk about his sexuality and him saying “Yes, I am gay. I’m comfortable with it and I have been for a long time.” went a long way towards maybe changing some attitudes. Also, his saying that throughout his 20′s he’s wanted to be in love, because “everyone deserves that” needed to be said and he said it beautifully.

I have a cousin who is gay whose boyfriend killed himself last summer. His parents shunned him, there were friends that never understood and couldn’t accept, and I don’t think he ever got over that. My cousin said recently how he felt that if his boyfriend could have been as matter-of-fact and proud of his sexuality as Adam is, maybe he could have been at peace with his orientation. Just being proud and open and unapologetic is, to me and many others, the greatest actions Adam could do to champion gay rights.

Another 2012 interview. I hadn’t seen yet, not sure if it’s been posted:

http://www.iltasanomat.fi/videot/uusimmat/1749311

He is super adorable here — both looks and personality!

Z100 was giving LLWD a ton of spins but they since cut down the amount of spins. The week they added it you couldn’t escape the song on there and I think by the, maybe the 2nd week, it got as high as #9 on their playlist. and it was in heavy rotation. The last couple of weeks or so though spins definitely decreased. A few days ago it dropped to 22 on their playlist. I expect though as their Jingle Ball nears they’ll up his spins again since he’s one of the performers.

Isn’t it pretty much a given that Adam WILL tour? It seems even Allison is in the process of putting a band together. That would indicate to me that she is touring. If Allison is selling the least, and is still touring, why is it such a secret that Adam is most likely touring?

He said plans aren’t made yet, it’s all being formulated. I still think he’s going to tour as an opening act for someone. I wonder if those arrangements are currently being negotiated and that’s why nothing is being said. It’s easier to announce touring when you’re going to tour solo.

He is first and foremost a singer/entetainer.

But he’s not though IMO. I think Truthiness has it right, he’s a gay pop singer, and that in and of itself is a strikingly different thing. I don’t know if the world will really see him as “just” anything. Ain’t no running from the gay. LOL. All eyes will be on him whether he likes it or not.

Of course there are people who are going to want something more from him than just acting like it’s nothing, you know? Not to say Adam will act like its nothing. But there will always be those who want him to be a stronger advocate for the community he is representing, even if he’s representing it by default. He’s got a lot of attention and a big platform that rarely comes around for gay males in pop. So I totally get that sentiment, even if I am a bit torn myself over what it should all mean.

I have a cousin who is gay whose boyfriend killed himself last summer. His parents shunned him, there were friends that never understood and couldn’t accept, and I don’t think he ever got over that. My cousin said recently how he felt that if his boyfriend could have been as matter-of-fact and proud of his sexuality as Adam is, maybe he could have been at peace with his orientation.

cindy- that’s why that whole part in the article about his dad telling him to “hold on” really got to me. You can imagine that Adam had a tough time being an outsider growing up. It also reminded me of the book ‘ A Million Little Pieces” by James Frey. It was the whole mantra the main character recited to himself when things got really rough. Hold on, it will get better. That book still gets to me, fiction or not.

And also- let me just add- were any of the big&famous artists ever really role models???
Elvis- No
Jim Morrison- No
Jimmy Hedrix- No
Janis Joplin- No
Kurt Cobain- No
Michael Jackson- HELL NO!!!!

But I loved all of them (well except Elvis- sorry Elvis fans) growing up- and I’m not a drug- abuser, child abuser (allegedly, allegedly) or suicidal in anyway! In fact- I’m pretty nice and normal I think.
Rock stars have no obligations to be “role models” in the classic way, but rather they’re there to help us normal square people expand our horizens a bit and feel adventerous (even if we’re just in our room listening to them…)

Ofcourse, on a completely PERSONAL level, I’ve kinda grown fond of Adam’s personality (inspite of my better intentions) and would be a little sad if he ever went down the road of any of the above mentioned’s roads…

Time will tell folks, only time will tell…

Here’s another interview snippet:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f9EuRp3J8T0

I just can’t picture Adam hiding in the corner of a theater embarrassed.

Sue, I agree with you. Adam did say that he did not want to be a role model, but since becoming more of a public figure, said that he has realized that it comes with the territory (I paraphrase!). In any case, he is a great inspiration to kids in the arts and who are having trouble fitting in (who hasn’t at some point!). Here is a video that illustrates that side of him, his genuineness and their joy being with him are very evident.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tZNae9yq0gE

Another 2012 interview. I hadn’t seen yet, not sure if it’s been posted:

http://www.iltasanomat.fi/videot/uusimmat/1749311

Thank you. Isn’t it amazing Adam can have such completely different and interesting responses? Can he look more adorable, and I love his laugh.

edit: DROP IT. Mocking fellow posters is a no no

aidenjamestour: hey @adamlambert Thursday morning they played your new single on SIRIUS XM when I was LIVE in studio Nice. Loved it! #FYE
1 minute ago<

Check out this guys myspace- he is GOOD!
http://www.myspace.com/aidenjames

BTW- I have read alot of tweets saying XM is playing Adam.

LLWD is currently #18 on the Z100 playlist. After being top 10 for a couple of weeks early on, it dropped down to the high 20′s and is now back on the rise. Not that I’m keeping track.

ETA: Since the release of the music vid on Friday morning, LLWD has steadily increased on the iTunes chart as well. I believe it was around 108 Friday and is now sitting at 75.

Eileen99
11/08/2009 at 3:21 pm
LLWD is currently #18 on the Z100 playlist. After being top 10 for a couple of weeks early on, it dropped down to the high 20′s and is now back on the rise. Not that I’m keeping track.

LOL Eileen! Go Kris! I’m glad the spins and sales are increasing, he’s such a good guy and I wish him nothing but success!

Another 2012 interview. I hadn’t seen yet, not sure if it’s been posted:

http://www.iltasanomat.fi/videot/uusimmat/1749311

“I’m just trying to be positive” Yes you are, Adam, and it’s a good reminder for us all!

And for the record, Adam can give me a tongue lashing any time

Ah, it’s the “can Adam be a role model for kids” discussion again, wrapped up in the “Adam as champion for gay rights” conversation.

Well, as a lesbian myself, I can tell you it is scary to come out in this judgmental world we all live in. It’s a constant process too. When we who are gay meet someone new, we have to decide, “come out, or not?”

Adam did an amazingly courageous thing by cutting through the bulls**t and just being honest about everything. He makes no apologies for who he is; he’s honest, clear and direct and I love that about him. It doesn’t hurt that he is also polite, pleasant and clearly very intelligent.

I have been enormously heartened by the reactions of most people to his openness about his sexuality. It gives me hope in humanity that we can rise above the petty discriminatory behavior that myself and many other homosexuals have been subject too.

So, Adam as a role model? Adam as card carrying homosexual waving a banner for gay rights? All he has to do is be himself, stay honest and make great music. That’s enough for me.

tinawina
11/08/2009 at 3:19 pm
Yeah well when it truly is nothing then we won’t talk about it. When gay people can get married and raise kids and hold hands in public, when they can not worry about getting disowned by family or beat up for being who they are, when Adam doesn’t get tons of press breathlessly dishing and snarking about his sexuality like its some kind of weird and exotic thing we just must know more about, then we can let it go. This is very much a visible part of who he is and how he is received, to me. So no, it cannot be ignored just because you chose to ignore it.
YMMV and all that, of course.

Great post Tinawina, I agree. I’d also add when a story can be posted on the internet about Adam without all the gay-slurs and vicious homophobic comments, then it will cease being an issue.

LOL Eileen! Go Kris! I’m glad the spins and sales are increasing, he’s such a good guy and I wish him nothing but success!

If nothing, this soothes my hit-judging ego. I always thought LLWD was a good single for Kris. Hope I’ll get it right in the end!

I think people who expect Adam to lead the fight for gay rights are not being fair. He has a career to build. I was even appalled when an interviewer suggested he do a charity concert with Queen. I think this was even before the Idol finale, or at least shortly thereafter. I thought, say what? This kid has no money to speak of and he’s going to go out and be Bono already? Give him a chance to build his career. However, Adam did raise some money for music programs and he has lived openly as a gay man. Anything else he does is solely up to him and him alone!

It’s amazing how easy it is to project our own aspirations onto others when sometimes we ourselves are lucky to just get through the day! All I expect from Adam is entertainment, period!

What time tomorrow will Kris album stream live?

Yeah well when it truly is nothing then we won’t talk about it. When gay people can get married and raise kids and hold hands in public, when they can not worry about getting disowned by family or beat up for being who they are, when Adam doesn’t get tons of press breathlessly dishing and snarking about his sexuality like its some kind of weird and exotic thing we just must know more about, then we can let it go. This is very much a visible part of who he is and how he is received, to me. So no, it cannot be ignored just because you chose to ignore it.

Im from Ontario Canada and we do have equal rights for gays up here. They can get married and cannot be discriminated against in anyway. I’m not saying that there isn’t any homophobia up here but we are a lot more relaxed about homosexuality up here. For the people who expect Adam to be a gay rights activist….why don’t you do it. Having non gay people fighting for their cause goes a long way. As for Adam, let him live his own life. I don’t see people pressuring Kris to be a spokesman for Christian belief organizations.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tZNae9yq0gE

snf, Adam with the children, snif

Tinawina, ITA with your entire post.

Oh yeah, and the role model thing. I flove Mick Jagger and a role model he ain’t. A lot of famous musicians (and athletes) are baby daddys to lord knows how many kids by how many women, at least Adam is not in danger of that!

sidewalkstory
11/08/2009 at 3:04 pm

In the interview that CindyM posted, Adam is graciously saying that he doesn’t know if he will tour.

Isn’t it pretty much a given that Adam WILL tour? It seems even Allison is in the process of putting a band together. That would indicate to me that she is touring. If Allison is selling the least, and is still touring, why is it such a secret that Adam is most likely touring?

I think he is being humble and not taking anything for granted at this stage of his career. Adam knows that his album isn’t even out, yet. I’m sure we will have a FABULOUS tour to look forward to.

Reminder:

Peeps who fingerwag and tell posters what to do? Get put in moderation.

There are no subjects that are off-limits here. Sorry.

For the people who expect Adam to be a gay rights activist’ ¦.why don’t you do it. Having non gay people fighting for their cause goes a long way. As for Adam, let him live his own life. I don’t see people pressuring Kris to be a spokesman for Christian belief organizations.

ITA

Adam has never been anything but articulate. He does not shy away from being gay. He said he would discuss it, he has, and now he wants to focus on his career. What is WRONG about that? He is not downplaying it, he just doesn’t want to be music’s GAY SPOKESMAN. Why does he have to be? Can’t he be a singer and musician? It’s not that homophobia doesn’t exist, and he never ever said that but to say that he has to constantly refer to that and focus on only that–no. That is not fair to ask him to do that, IMO.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tZNae9yq0gE

snf, Adam with the children, snif

Okay…….Serious tears over here. Love this. OMG!

suebrody Thanks, that was great!!! so sweet.

Z100 was giving LLWD a ton of spins but they since cut down the amount of spins. The week they added it you couldn’t escape the song on there and I think by the, maybe the 2nd week, it got as high as #9 on their playlist. and it was in heavy rotation. The last couple of weeks or so though spins definitely decreased.

Hmmm. In Chicago, 101.9 added LLWD early but only played it btw 7pm and 5am — maybe twice during that timeframe. Since Thursday or Friday, it’s been picking up spins and except for the morning show (which is a lot of talk), plays anytime of the day now.

The door of opportunities just opened wide for Adam and time will tell how this journey will turn out for him. Madonna released her first Album in 1982 and her hits came in 1984 with Like a Virgin. Instant fame is not something of a norm in this industry. Even Lady Gaga was dropped by her record label
in 2005 but got another break in 2008 when she recorded Fame-that is when commercial success came for her.

We love Adam’s music and we bought all of his music that is offered to consumers. We enjoy the eclectic sound he has created and it works for my entire family.

Is his personal important for us ? Not really. Unless he turns into a Dexter. Do we expect him to be role model for the kids ? Of course not ! That is the parent’s job .
We are not planning to , nor is it even a remote possibility of adopting Adam as part of our family. We just love his music.
Although there are instances during family dinners ,when some members of the family are cranky,dense and disagreeable ,that I so wish we had the amiable, intelligent and engaging Adam in our dinner table instead.

Oh and another thing about Adam and just my personal opinion here, but I feel that the Jewish community has been a lot more supportive of Adam than the gay community has thus far. As per that recently aired Israeli interview and the previous BWE one with Michelle Collins, and various other articles, like the one by the Jewish Mother. AfterElton aside, and possibly Out magazine, which we’ll see about, yeah, not really feeling it. Which is as it should be that the GLBT community doesn’t all have the same response and won’t support someone just because they’re gay. On the other hand, expecting people just because they are gay to be as politically active as some would like on their timeframe, also isn’t expected from me either. Not saying any of my opinions have anything to do with Adam or are in fact rooted in anything other than my observations and opinions.

I will say that I think that Adam is getting more support with the younger parts of the GLBT community, from what I’ve observed, and from younger people in general about the sexuality issue. But then that goes to ideas about sexuality in the younger generations as a whole having some movement towards being more open, at least from the polling that I’ve seen.

My local pop/top 40 radio station played FYE this morning. This is awesome; they’ve never played any idol except for Kelly Clarkson, Daughtry, and (lately) Jordin Sparks. Oh, and one cross-over song by Carrie Underwood.

I don’t squee…but Yay!!!!!!!!!!!!

Do DJs get mad at all recording artists fans that e-mail or call in requests? Or is it a prejudice to American Idols because the DJ is too cool to like an AI contestant?

I think the AI fandom is special in this regard because on the fanboards, they create little plots to repeatedly request songs at stations that are not their local stations. When DJ’s get 100 e-mail requests to play a song in a single day that are clearly from all over the country, I think it strikes them as pretty odd. It’s the main reason that those fansite invented street teams never work. They’re just doomed to fail from the start.

The is because people following Idol for awhile know this stuff is been there, done that.

Yes, LOL, yes we do know that. It’s the same cycle every season. Fans do find it hard to accept that they cannot simply will their favorite to have a successful career. At this point, for both Adam and Kris, it’s up to the music. The music has to connect to the public and do its job. Once the fans have purchased the music, their job is pretty much over. It’s all up to Adam and Kris now, and all the tweets in the world aren’t going to make a difference if the mass market doesn’t want the music.

And Jackie Robinson just wanted to play baseball.

Living the life sans soap box is often far more powerful for a cause than passing out leaflets, IMO.

I just really like this post, so I felt it needed to appear again on every page

I have been enormously heartened by the reactions of most people to his openness about his sexuality. It gives me hope in humanity that we can rise above the petty discriminatory behavior that myself and many other homosexuals have been subject too.

Well, that’s a pretty awesome thought too.

I don’t consider Adam’s willingness to be open about his life a small thing by any means. I think it’s courageous, and I do hope that his example is a comfort to some poor mentally tortured high school kid. The message that it’s okay to be different, and no matter how shitty life feels right now it will get better is a good one. And, it can’t be repeated often enough for me.

In that respect I would say that Adam is indeed a role model. On the flip side, am I planning to take my 8 year old to an Adam concert? Um, no. Adam’s act is a little PG-13, I think. And I don’t think his Detail’s photo shoot was meant for a young audience. But, putting on a show that’s clearly meant for teens or adults, doesn’t negate the fact that Adam may have a positive effect on some kids just by being a good guy.

On a positive note, I actually heard LLWD on the radio yesterday. That was my first time for either Kris or Adam. So, I see that as a good sign.

My local pop/top 40 radio station played FYE this morning

FYE was played at one of the top Toronto stations yesterday morning….very exciting!!!

Truthiness-

The Jewish (and Israeli) community doesn’t support Adam just because he’s Jewish- it’s just that we’ve got REALLY GOOD TASTE!!!

ETA: Since the release of the music vid on Friday morning, LLWD has steadily increased on the iTunes chart as well. I believe it was around 108 Friday and is now sitting at 75.

And it has not even been played on VH-1 yet! There are still big regions of the country where LLWD is not on the radio. I think the video will help expose the song to a lot more people.

It will also be interesting to see if the numbers are impacted tomorrow by the album streaming on AOL.

Oh, yes, Truthiness. I forget Adam is Jewish b/c it’s not usually the topic of conversation. But yes, there are those that say not only was he gay but he was also JEWISH and hence would not appeal to mainstream America. I hope this is not the case, but anti-Semitism certainly exists. It’s something else that Adam has not shied away from. It’s interesting that Glee pokes fun of it with Puck and Rachel, but it it weren’t still relevant, it wouldn’t be addressed, b/c what I like about Glee is that it takes serious topics (homosexuality, religion, and this week physical disabilities) and uses them and yet does not get on a soapbox about them. And what I found sad is that Adam stopped attending Hebrew/Sunday school b/c he was bullied. Interesting, b/c I almost did as well. I *am* glad the Jewish community has embraced him. He is very embraceable.

And good point about patience, Animated. I forget that it took a couple of albums for Madonna to start to make an impact in the music industry, and she had no platform. I think we forget b/c we are so invested and so worried that this is Adam’s (or insert your Idol here) only chance, carpe diem. Hopefully, no matter what the outcome with this album, it will not be the case. (Tho I really wouldn’t mind a tad more RCA publicity this week.)

happycat14

David Cook question ‘“ I casually watched S7 but I really loved his performance of ‘Hello’  and was happy that he won. Then didn’t hear him on the radio or know anything about him until S8, but was impressed that his album had gone platinum in a few months. Didn’t it go 1.2 million from November to March or something? I’m not sure why RCA is being criticized a year from now. How have they messed up? Is Cook considered a failure? Because I see articles being written about him all the time now on the blog, he’s obviously touring non-stop, gets TV exposure on AI and Extreme Makeover and the Carrie Underwood variety special. He’s going to be making a second album.

It seems to be one of the peculiar things about DC, that he can never get a break in the popular perception: the press in general and people who aren’t his fans (which is fine).

But in any measure, whether you like his music or not, in the current musical climate, the man has done well for his first year.

But platinum albums, platinum singles and excellent tour sales seem to mean nothing when it comes to Cook in some areas of popular perception.

Why, I’m not sure.

Hazarding a guess:

He hit a time coming off idol, when the implications of the changing musical industry had not been fully realised and he was still being compared to the release figures of the early idols.

The single/album figures didn’t match up to the expectations set up by the record 14 songs in the top 100 thing.

His music was not in vogue.

There was still some movement in the popular press pushing the idea that Archuleta was going to do better, especially after Crush.

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Cook certainly hasn’t matched the numbers of Daughtry’s first album, or most of the other early idols, but he’s still done pretty well, by my estimation, especially when market depreciation is taken into account: he just hasn’t set the musical world alight.

The complaints against RCA are really that the singles they put out would not have been the fan’s choice and that CBTM in particluar was not reflective of him as an artist and hasn’t charted/sold especially well either. Also that they haven’t released a third single or any single that Cook – as a singer songwriter first and foremost – had a hand in writing.

But I don’t think many fans are disappointed in Cook’s first year in and of itself.

So…apparently I’m now a twitter stalker. Kris got a new shirt for Napa wine touring:
@liveinvineyard Kris Allen at Miner fricken fantastic! On the way to Cliff Lede! http://yfrog.com/45lq2j

I have been enormously heartened by the reactions of most people to his openness about his sexuality. It gives me hope in humanity that we can rise above the petty discriminatory behavior that myself and many other homosexuals have been subject too.

You know, the interesting thing about Adam to me is that when people in a “minority” group attain mainstream success, it is usually by:

1. Playing to the worst stereotypes of that group – usually playing the buffoon

2. Behaving exactly like the mythical mainstream to show I’M JUST LIKE YOU. lol

3. Playing the role of “noble sufferer” -being some kind of walking role model earnest example of perfection

4. For gay people – doing the wink and a smile thing… as in “you now I’m gay, but you and me are not gonna ever acknowledge it ” see: liberace lol, or any of the miles of past entertainers that were married or perineal bachelors/bachelorettes.

If they came out at all, it was after they were established. Even then half the time they came out as bisexual, not gay.

So Adam is putting it all out there before his record drops. And he’s not really taking any of the established routes, though you could argue his time on idol was a bit of the wink and a smile thing. Still, being out when your first record drops is a new thing. And so far, it does not seem to have made a big difference. So I do find that encouraging. I think there are more out entertainers now that ever before, but even now most of those people came out after their success, and the 2 most visible out actors playing straight roles (Neil Patrick Harris and TR Knight) were outed after they won those roles. So in a way, it is hard to say what will be truly accepted and what won’t. But the reaction so far has been a good sign, IMO. I’m holding my breath for the next few months on this one.

Living the life sans soap box is often far more powerful for a cause than passing out leaflets, IMO.

Sorry but in my opinion that is crap. Just living your life gives the impression that things are much better than they are. A lot of people espoused your view in the 40s and the 50s about civil rights, and thank god people rejected that mindset and actively fought against something that was wrong. Someone brought up Jackie Robinson, and I think Jackie is a great example to look at. In the 40′s and the 50′s when Jackie was playing he chose not to speak up for civil rights, and years later when he was working with progressive black organizations would acknowledge his regret about not being vocal earlier. I wonder if years from now Adam will wish he had spoken up more when he had the nation’s attention. Yes he is a musician first and foremost, but having a successful music career did not get in the way of the Dixie Chicks, Cat Stevens, Bette Midler, John Lennon, Bono, Tracy Chapman, Bob Dylan, Bob Marley or many other artists from standing up for causes they believe in.

2012 comes out on Friday. Do you think Cusack stayed to listen to TfM? We can be assured Amanda Peet did.

Yes he is a musician first and foremost, but having a successful music career did not get in the way of the Dixie Chicks, Cat Stevens, Bette Midler, John Lennon, Bono, Tracy Chapman, Bob Dylan, Bob Marley or many other artists from standing up for causes they believe in.

All of these are/were established musicians not newbies. In a couple of years for all we know Adam could be leading a march on Washington, but if he doesn’t so be it.

Yes he is a musician first and foremost, but having a successful music career did not get in the way of the Dixie Chicks, Cat Stevens, Bette Midler, John Lennon, Bono, Tracy Chapman, Bob Dylan, Bob Marley or many other artists from standing up for causes they believe in.”

Give him time, bb, give him time. He’s a newbie, finding his sealegs in interesting waters. Who knows what he will achieve over his lifetime? This is a marathon, not a sprint.

Very cute pic of Kris in Napa. No glasses, but new shirt!

http://img149.yfrog.com/i/lq2.jpg/

Truthiness-

The Jewish (and Israeli) community doesn’t support Adam just because he’s Jewish- it’s just that we’ve got REALLY GOOD TASTE!!!

LOVE THIS ^^^

imo both llwd and fye are going to do well…i don’t think that either of them are going to be number one smashes, but they will be solid top 40 hits that support their albums…i suspect single no 2 for each of them will do better than the initial single….everyone was starting to write off llwd when it wasn’t no 1 in a week or 2, but now over a month or so later it is getting solid spins, is inching up itunes and cracked the top 40….i expect the same for fye…..we will never know how well fye did on itunes in its first day or two because of the freezing issues, and until weekly sales data are released we won’t know the impact of the AO and amazon sales…both adam and kris are well on their way

mmb, ITA with your post. It just takes time for a song to take off.

Truthiness-

The Jewish (and Israeli) community doesn’t support Adam just because he’s Jewish- it’s just that we’ve got REALLY GOOD TASTE!!!

Well agreed about the taste, of course, but when Adam is asked to sing the American anthem for an Anti-Defamation League event honouring Steven Spielberg, it’s not just because he’s a good singer. Though he is. It’s because a good singer and he’s Jewish. I mean, that’s the whole point of the event.

I believe that we have to discuss homophobia until it no longer exists. “Get over the gay thing” is naive. We’re not at a point in our history when we can just pretend it doesn’t matter. It *shouldn’t* matter, but it does.

As to how we go about the discussion… well, I think it varies. Some folks will hand out pamphlets. Some will walk down the street holding hands with their same-sex partner. Some will bring it up in forums like this.

I work with a bunch of *very* conservative people. If they bring the subject up, I debate it. If they make assumptions about me (I’m straight-ish, married) I correct them. Like… “Just because I’m married to a man doesn’t mean I don’t think some women are hot.” It may not change their minds, but it does bring the issue into consciousness. And with consciousness and time, change will come.

And what I found sad is that Adam stopped attending Hebrew/Sunday school b/c he was bullied. Interesting, b/c I almost did as well. I *am* glad the Jewish community has embraced him. He is very embraceable.

HUGE hug for you, ms. suebrody!!

Adam is an incredibly courageous and honest young man who is living his life openly for all to see and to judge.
He is focused on making it in the music business. If people choose to criticize him for not doing more that is they’re choice.

For myself, I admire and applaud him for taking a step no one else has had the balls to do at this stage in his career. He is as much a social pioneer as Jackie Robinson was in breaking another kind of barrier. Nothing and no one can take that away from Adam. He is the first, and because of his “don’t give a f**k” attitude he surely will not be the last. Young gays will follow his example. It’s a huge step.

I don’t think Adam will regret anything about this stage of his life or his decisions. I think he will look back and say, “I did it my way, without compromising who I am.”

I will not dwell on the few who think he is somehow lacking. I prefer to focus on the talent, the courage and the honesty.

Napa is really a beautiful area…

Krisallen

# Napa is awesome! http://twitpic.com/osvxl7 minutes ago from Echofon

Well agreed about the taste, of course, but when Adam is asked to sing the American anthem for an Anti-Defamation League event honouring Steven Spielberg, it’s not just because he’s a good singer. Though he is. It’s because a good singer and he’s Jewish. I mean, that’s the whole point of the event.

Definitely agree with you here, Truthiness!

Did any of you watch the movie Milk? He was actually the greatest gay right activist there has ever been. When he was campaigning against the Briggs Initiative (which would have forced every gay teacher to be fired just because of their sexuality) he made the famous Hope Speech, where he said something like this:

We will not win our rights by staying quietly in our closets … We are coming out to fight the lies, the myths, the distortions. We are coming out to tell the truths about gays, for I am tired of the conspiracy of silence, so I’m going to talk about it. And I want you to talk about it. You must come out. Come out to your parents, your relatives.

I was extremely moved by this film. Being out is the one thing that can make a difference.

Take someone like Perez Hilton, who actually campaigns for gay rights. How good can that be if not even the GLAAD will accept his money for donations after the behavior he has exhibited towards his own community?

The greatest thing that Adam could have done for the gay community and the support of gay rights was to come out at the beginning of his career. It’s called visibility. And that’s what sites like AfterElton.com and AfterEllen.com are after. Just to be a talented artist out of the closet helps many people, the ones in doubt of accepting their own sexuality, their families, even just for cultural reasons.

gangreen, I respectfully disagree with you on the issue of Adam having to crusade for gay rights at this point. He has already described some instances of homophobia and discrimination he has experienced, during and after Idol made reference to how performing ACIGC was timely and appealing to him for the historical and ‘new’ civil rights aspect, and has not tried to explain away or backpedal his sexual orientation. He was asked about gay marriage on 20/20 and agreed that he would want the ability to get married some day.

I don’t pretend to know anything about most of the posters here, but until one of us has walked in another’s shoes I don’t think its easy to judge what’s in their hearts. I’m personally a vocal advocate for GLBT rights though I am not gay, but have seen a number of my own friendships and family relationships strained if not permanently damaged due to my political stance. I can’t even imagine the kind of strain people are under whose lives are under the microscope for the way they live – never mind advocating for others. I think Adam was brave to even try out for Idol.

I have so much to say on this subject (GLBT rights) and MJs isn’t really the best platform for it. Neither is typing this on my Palm Centro while sitting inGiants Stadium watching the football game…LOL..but while I respect the opinion of those who feel Adam hasn’t done enough for the gay community, I’m of the belief that the gay community should more openly embrace the inroads Adam is already making toward acceptance rather than just ‘tolerance’ of that which is different. He’s not far enough along in his so-called fame to force more of a political platform onto his future fans, IMO.

Oh and another thing about Adam and just my personal opinion here, but I feel that the Jewish community has been a lot more supportive of Adam than the gay community has thus far. As per that recently aired Israeli interview and the previous BWE one with Michelle Collins, and various other articles, like the one by the Jewish Mother. AfterElton aside, and possibly Out magazine, which we’ll see about, yeah, not really feeling it. Which is as it should be that the GLBT community doesn’t all have the same response and won’t support someone just because they’re gay. On the other hand, expecting people just because they are gay to be as politically active as some would like on their timeframe, also isn’t expected from me either. Not saying any of my opinions have anything to do with Adam or are in fact rooted in anything other than my observations and opinions.

Actually, Adam has support in both the Jewish community and Gay community for the same reason — he is really talented and both communities are proud of him.

The idea that there is a lack of support from the gay community for Adam seems off base to me — and I don’t know what this is based on. Adam seems to have a lot of support from the “Gay media” and has many gay fans.

Just based on the major gay publications, websites and blogs — there is high interest in Adam and he gets a lot of coverage [more than any Idol Alum ever], and even thought some of the things Adam has done haven’t been completely popular within the gay community [the album cover and Details Mag get less than 100% support] overall Adam is getting a lot of support from the gay community.

Finally, OUT Magazine’s editors confirmed that Adam is in the OUT 100 and will be on the cover. This is their most important issue of the year and Adam wouldn’t be on the cover of OUT 100 issue if he didn’t have support in the gay community.

” but having a successful music career did not get in the way of the Dixie Chicks, Cat Stevens, Bette Midler, John Lennon, Bono, Tracy Chapman, Bob Dylan, Bob Marley or many other artists from standing up for causes ”

Did these artists stand up for their causes when they were first starting out with their careers..and what were their causes? I am not familar with all of them…

I’ve been following this site for a number of months now, since American Idol was shown on tv here in Cape Town. Myself and my two girls are completely smitten with Adam Lambert and he most certainly is a role model for us in how to live your life being true to yourself. My daughter’s (13 year old) speech on why gay marriage should be allowed has just been nominated by her English teacher for inclusion in the school magazine. All I want to say is that we certainly have been influenced by his courage to live his life the way he wants to live it, even without getting on any soapbox.

I think the message Adam would rather get across to kids is that it is OK to be different (ie:gay, good student, tall, short) anything kids can use to be cruel to each other. His message is to be strong and believe in oneself. That is a strong message and one that he provides through example. I would want him to be a role model for teens, they need one.
BTW I have been an active member of HRC supporting rights of all minorities, supported civil rights in the 60′s, etc. I am hetero and white.

The idea that there is a lack of support from the gay community for Adam seems off base to me ‘” and I don’t know what this is based on. Adam seems to have a lot of support from the ‘Gay media’  and has many gay fans.

The idea comes from Gawker and Queerty and even some of it on AfterElton, which I think has been the most supportive of Adam. And what gay media? Out magazine? as I mentioned, I think they’ve been mostly supportive and he’ll be in their next issue, but on the boards I go to? Not so much. Heck even on Project Rungay when they had the sexiest bachelors and Adam was on it, the lack of support, to put it mildly, was pretty typical.

Q3 – I am genuinely encouraged by Out putting Adam on the cover and by his getting coverage on afterelton and the advocate sites. What concerns me more are the comments I often read on these sites: catty remarks about his looks, repeatedly calling him a stereotype and almost claiming to disown him for either being too gay or not gay enough. To me, that’s as bad if not worse than the homophobia because it implies he has ‘no’ community. Sadz.

‘  but having a successful music career did not get in the way of the Dixie Chicks, Cat Stevens, Bette Midler, John Lennon, Bono, Tracy Chapman, Bob Dylan, Bob Marley or many other artists from standing up for causes ‘ 

Did these artists stand up for their causes when they were first starting out with their careers..and what were their causes? I am not familar with all of them’ ¦

Bono became an activist after a trip to Africa when U2 had already hit worldwide success.

John Lennon, as far as I know, started to get into activism when he married Yoko Ono (on their honeymoon, getting into the famous “Bed-in for Peace”); this happened at the end of The Beatles’ career as a band.

Finally, OUT Magazine’s editors confirmed that Adam is in the OUT 100 and will be on the cover. This is their most important issue of the year and Adam wouldn’t be on the cover of OUT 100 issue if he didn’t have support in the gay community.

Another magazine cover for our boy! *applauding over here*

Thanks, star, for that Israeli vid. The official 2012 website is interesting. The two options on the home page are for Adam’s music video, and for the movie trailer. I’m not really sure what they expect that song to do for the film, or vice versa. It’s just so tied together. Looking at the international release dates, if 2012 comes out and TFM doesn’t chart higher (or for the first time) in any of these countries, then would that mean the song’s pretty much dead in the water? Go, Finland!
http://www.sonypictures.com/movies/2012/international/

Since Sony-Apple iTunes has offered this free download of T4M since 10/30/09 — the highest def version has the same audio quality as the iTunes digital single — why would anyone expect it to chart? The goal appears to be completely focused on promoting movie ticket sales.

Yes he is a musician first and foremost, but having a successful music career did not get in the way of the Dixie Chicks…from standing up for causes they believe in.

Adam is not a success yet. He has garnered a lot of attention and expectations are sky high, but he doesn’t have a platform from which to leverage a message at this point in his career and to do so would in all likelyhood spell career suicide. Anyone who has seen the documentary Shut Up and Sing, which tells the story of what happened after Dixie Chicks made their infamous statement will know that it very nearly cost them their careers, and they were much more established than Adam at the time.

I don’t think being in the public eye means Adam has to speak out about anything beyond what type of eyeliner he likes (and even that is his call). It is a personal decision and pretty sure from comments he has made that he really doesn’t want to be the poster child for the gay movement – and I for one would never judge anyone for not wanting to stand on the leading edge of that particular firestorm…

and until weekly sales data are released we won’t know the impact of the AO and amazon sales’ ¦both adam and kris are well on their way

Just another caveat to throw into Adam’s first week sales numbers, but do we really know how much of the AO downloads will be factored into it? Especially if people bought it in conjunction with the deluxe album, I’m thinking those sales would not count toward the singles total, but rather later on as part of the album total. Just a thought.

Again, I’m putting HUGE disclaimers in front of any Adam #s for the first week. And, otoh, I’m perfectly ok with it all for now, too, and just want to wait and see once more promo has taken off.

NB for Adam is back on the pop chart

#34 FYE
#55 TFM
#175 Want
#198 NB

What concerns me more are the comments I often read on these sites: catty remarks about his looks, repeatedly calling him a stereotype and almost claiming to disown him for either being too gay or not gay enough. To me, that’s as bad if not worse than the homophobia because it implies he has ‘no’ community. Sadz.

Exactly. Go to Data Lounge, Gawker, Queety, and even AfterElton, or as I said, Project Rungay or whatever gay site where there is an article or whatever about it, support isn’t the word that comes to mind.

Q3, I read the gay sites because I am interested in all things Adam, and because I am genuinely interested in learning about a culture I’m not a part of.

I see a definite split in the posters on Adam. Many young gays embrace him and are proud of and for him. Many, many of the older posters are.. hmmm, how shall I put it… cruel and dismissive? Most definitely. They call him names that would put hetero homophobes to shame.

So I think, based on my observations, that Adam is getting support from a certain segment of the community, but he is scorned and even hated by many in the rank and file.
Luckily, the supportive segment happens to be the one that decides who gets coverage in the publications.

I think adam himself is aware that he is not accepted and loved by all gays. He does his own thing– regardless.

Hi everyone,
I know there’s been speculation over the past several days (or so) on who might be the opening act for the AMAs.

AMA Official just tweeted:

OfficialAMAs: @LoveLifeDC – we’ll announce show opening this week – what’s your guess?

MJ: Updated appearance list. Credit to ONTD_AI:

Adam
November 22/09 – AMA Awards
November 23/09 – Album Release
November 24/09 – GMA Concert
November 25/09 – Letterman
December 01/09 – The Ellen DeGeneres Show
December 09/09 – ADL Annual Benefit – Spielberg to be honored

Kris
November 08/09 – Live in the Vineyard – Napa Valley
November 09/09 – Kris album streams live on AOL Music
November 10/09 – Kris presents nominees for Peoples’ Choice Awards
November 13/09 – Conan O’Brien
November 17/09 – GMA Concert/Album Release
November 18/09 – Regis & Kelly
November 19/09 – Ellen DeGeneres (TAPING)
November 20/09 – Ellen DeGeneres – Broadcast (Probable)
November 21/09 – VH1 Top 20 Video Countdown appearance 9:00 AM EST
December 01/09 – 107.9 Jingle Ball – Sacramento, CA
December 04/09 – Miracle Near State Street show in Chicago with The Fray
December 06/09 – Kissmas Bash in Buffalo, NY
December 07/09 – 104.5 XLO Acoustic XMas at Mechanics Hall in Worcester, MA.
December 11/09 – Z100′s Jingle Ball ’09 – Madison Square Garden, NYC
December 15/09 – AOL Sessions Performance, Interviews and Taping, NYC
December 18/09 – XL106.7 XL’ent Xmas ’09 – HOB, Orlando (KRALLISON!!!)
December 22/09 – AOL Music Sessions with Kris Allen premieres including exclusive performances and interviews

Allison
November 10/09 – Pre-Order JLY on iTunes & listen to snippets
December 01/09 – GMA Concert/Album Release
December 04/09 – Q107.5 Jingle Jam – Memphis
December 18/09 – XL106.7 XL’ent Xmas ’09 – HOB, Orlando (KRALLISON!!!)

dcglam
11/08/2009 at 3:45 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tZNae9yq0gE

snf, Adam with the children, snif

Okay’ ¦’ ¦.Serious tears over here. Love this. OMG!

So glad I am not the only one who gets choked up by that video! Sniffles!

Right, going to catch up on this thread as it sounds like a lot of interesting points are being raised. You guys are an intelligent bunch I have to say!

Dang Kris is booked!

Thank you for posting all of the appearance dates. I am going to the KRALLISON concert on 12/18!!! I can’t wait. Jason Castro, The Fray and Leona Lewis will also be there.. This should be an awesome concert.

The idea that there is a lack of support from the gay community for Adam seems off base to me ‘” and I don’t know what this is based on. Adam seems to have a lot of support from the ‘Gay media’  and has many gay fans.

The idea comes from Gawker and Queerty and even some of it on AfterElton, which I think has been the most supportive of Adam…

One of my Twitter followers showed me a gay gossip site and, boy, they tore him to shreds there. Another board that I have been part of for about nine yrs, with a predominant gay population, trashed Adam on our Idol thread. Week after week they put him down for not coming out during the season. When we’d rank the Idols performances of a particular week, they’d put Adam on the bottom of the list.

More appearances
(credit ONTD_AI)

Anoop
November 08/09 – UNC Homecoming, Chapel Hill, NC

Matt
November 21/09 – Cornerstone Church, Grand Rapids, MI
January 29/10 – Forest Hills Fine Arts Center, Grand Rapids, MI

Michael
- with Alexis Grace, David Hernandez, and Gina Glocksen
December 02/09 – The Polk Theatre, Lakeland, FL
December 04/09 – First Baptist Church of Oxford, Oxford,AL
December 05/09 – University of Mississippi Ford Center for the Performing Arts, University, MS
December 09/09 – Alegheny College’s Shafer Auditorium, Meadville, PA
December 10/09 – University of Pittsburgh at Johnstown Pasquerilla Performing Arts Center, Johnstown, PA
December 12/09 – Slippery Rock University Miller Auditorium, Slippery Rock, PA
December 18/09 – Soaring Eagle Casino & Resort, MT. Pleasant, MI
December 19/09 – Paramount Theatre, Aurora , Il
December 20/09 – Midland Theatre, Newark, OH

Danny
November 25/09 – Hob Nobble Gobble, Gala Fundraiser, MI State Fairgrounds

Tell me again why every celebrity has to have at least one cause to support?

Personally, I don’t care about a celebrity’s political opinions or opinions on hot topics. As a matter of fact, it turns me off and it’s not just me. I would just rather not hear them.

I used to really like Rosie, but now, I won’t watch anything she’s on. Same with Susan Sarandon and Tim Robbins. (and I adore Tim Robbins), Tom Cruise and Sean Pitt.

Your career is NOT a platform for your beliefs. If that were true, I wouldn’t be able to find a job!

**Sean Pitt***

Sean Penn or Brad Pitt

Tell me again why every celebrity has to have at least one cause to support?

Because people should have at least one cause to support. Apathy is a horrible thing, and if you would rather people never speak up about what they believe in thats fine for you, but I can’t see what is wrong about trying to make positive change in society.

Your career is NOT a platform for your beliefs. If that were true, I wouldn’t be able to find a job!

Again, this is just your opinion. I have made a career out of my beliefs, and I know many other people have too. It is not a negative to feel deeply about something.

Week after week they put him down for not coming out during the season. When we’d rank the Idols performances of a particular week, they’d rank Adam last.

When I see things like this, it reaffirms by belief that portions of the gay community are it’s own worst enemy. Whatever happened to coming out when you’re ready? I don’t know much about all this but I’ve always heard how important it is for someone to come out in their own way, in their time and to not be shoved out of the closet.

I see a definite split in the posters on Adam. Many young gays embrace him and are proud of and for him. Many, many of the older posters are.. hmmm, how shall I put it’ ¦ cruel and dismissive? Most definitely. They call him names that would put hetero homophobes to shame.

Sorry to hear this…… I wonder why. Any thoughts, anyone??

I personally think it’s up to the celebrity whether they want to publicly support causes. I know Michael Jordan and Tiger Woods, to name just two, have received a lot of criticism for being corporate shills for Nike or whoever, while not speaking out about various civil rights causes.

However, when you DO speak out, that can often turn a sizable portion of the public against you, if they don’t agree with what you are supporting. Susan Sarandon & Tim Robbins, to name an example, have receied a lot of hate for their support of various causes. Tom Cruise and others have been vilified for espousing the views of Scientology. Etc. etc.
Unsurprisingly, celebrities tend to support causes in more private ways than with public speeches or gestures. In the end, it’s up to Adam, and Adam alone, to decide whther he wants to be an active spokesperson for gay rights.

Lady GaGa shows her breasts in Japanese Vogue –

CAUTION – NUDITY:

http://micahjesse.com/fashion/full-frontal-lady-gaga-shows-her-tatas-in-japanese-vogue/

Here we go beating this dead horse again, but I never considered Adam *in*. When you have lived as an openly gay man for years in WeHo, and there are photos of you kissing your boyfriend all over the internet and a video of you on YT stating that kissing a girl is not necessarily your “preference,” you are *out*.

I know everyone is posting about serious issues, and I have enjoyed reading all of your intelligent posts, but I just finally listened to FYE on my car stereo instead of just my lap top without speakers, and I just have to say…. I LOVE, LOVE, LOVE it. There. Now back to reading the posts…

Oh and Adam has said himself that he hasn’t received unanimous support in the gay community. I’m not sure why he would — just because a person has a sexual orientation — straight, bi or gay — doesn’t mean they are similar in other ways to every other person who has the same orientation.

When I see things like this, it reaffirms by belief that portions of the gay community are it’s own worst enemy. Whatever happened to coming out when you’re ready? I don’t know much about all this but I’ve always heard how important it is for someone to come out in their own way, in their time and to not be shoved out of the closet.

*******
Agreed Clearone. No one should be forced out of the closet or to take up a cause just to please doubters. This is a personal decision.

I don’t think the gay community needs to blindly support Adam just because he is gay. He even said as much in his RS article. The only thing they have in common is they are gay. Don’t they have as much right to like artists based on their own musical taste, just like everyone else? I’m sure he’d rather have fans support him for his music and not for his sexuality.

Oooooo!!!! Tweet from Kris’ little brother…

@DA4Real Gunna try and sneak a peek with the camera while Kris & Cale do their different version of a song on album! 4 minutes ago from Sidekick

Different version of what…what…what????

That’s really odd that they would trash him for not coming out during the show. I would think they’d save their rancor for all those celebrities who came out AFTER they achieved stardom, or those who haven’t come out at all.

Besides, although he didn’t official announce “I’m gay” during the show, he also never tried to hide it. He lived openly as a gay man his entire adult life in LA.

I’ve been puzzled about this hating on him by the gay community for a long time.

Lady GaGa shows her breasts in Japanese Vogue ‘“

CAUTION ‘“ NUDITY:

http://micahjesse.com/fashion/full-frontal-lady-gaga-shows-her-tatas-in-japanese-vogue/
*******

hmmm not the best pictures I’ve ever seen of her.

dcglam

I see a definite split in the posters on Adam. Many young gays embrace him and are proud of and for him. Many, many of the older posters are.. hmmm, how shall I put it’ ¦ cruel and dismissive? Most definitely. They call him names that would put hetero homophobes to shame.

Sorry to hear this’ ¦’ ¦ I wonder why. Any thoughts, anyone??

One of MJs posters (HermeticallySealed?) posted his analysis of this phenomenon awhile back on another thread. I don’t want to speak for him, as he was very eloquent, but the gist I got was it can be rooted in resentment at seeing someone else being seemingly easily accepted by society at large, while they themselves may have never felt that acceptance as they came of age.

Megan Joy tweets:

something amazing has happened….. I hope to give you all incredible news VERY soon. aaahhhhhhh

gee, I thought I had un-followed her already, lol.

Did any of you watch the movie Milk?

Nope, and I have no intention of doing it. Does the film mention him deliberately outing Oliver Sipple (he thwarted the assassination attempt on the life President Gerald Ford), because he thought it would be good publicity for gay people? This selfish act betraying someone he knew resulted in Sipple being ostracised by his own family, eventually resulting in his early death. Milk a hero? Not to me.

I don’t think the gay community needs to blindly support Adam just because he is gay.

Well it seems from the comments here they judge him very harshly just because he IS gay… if I understood it right.

Does anyone know when Kris’s set starts at the “Live in the Vineyard” event today? Hopefully we will get some video’s tonight. I also can’t wait to listen to the complete songs tomorrow.

It looks like it will be an exciting time for Kris, Allison, and Adam fans (& Danny) over the next couple of months. I hope they are all successful in their careers and can do this for a very long time to come.

tinawina
11/08/2009 at 3:10 pm
He is first and foremost a singer/entetainer.

But he’s not though IMO. I think Truthiness has it right, he’s a gay pop singer, and that in and of itself is a strikingly different thing.

It’s kind of sad that we still need to attach labels to people. So Adam is the ‘gay pop singer’, Carrie is the ‘hetero country singer’, and John Travolta is the ‘hetero, married, but some people still think he’s secretly gay actor”.

edit: Dial back the defensiveness

Adam has worked hard for 10 years and went on AI to become a performer, not to become a “gay performer” or a “gay activist”.
He remained true to himself by not hiding his sexuality – and he has offered support and encouragement to ANYONE who is “different” in any way , not just to gay kids.

Once Adam gets his career off the ground, perhaps he will feel comfortable becoming a spokesperson for causes- maybe he’ll crusade for global warming! or vegetarianism!! or no homework on Friday’s!!!!
Being gay is one small piece of Adam’s being- and he shouldn’t be pressured into making it the defining piece.

I somehow failed in my attempt to understand this. Unless Daniel is just stuffing his face with fattening foods? On the Live at the Vineyard facebook link, there is a photo of lots of people (including all the Allens) eating lunch…

DA4real

# Katy ask “Daniel, why don’t you have an ounce of fat on your body.” Kris says,”Michael Phelps eats like 10000 calories a day”. I say???21 minutes ago from Sidekick

# Katy goes, “”but he’s an Olympic Athlete”.. I go,”I am an Olympic athlete, just not noticed yet” hahaha18 minutes ago from Sidekick

I’ve heard both sides on Milk – I agree he did great things for the gay community, but he also made mistakes like forcing people out of the closet.

One of MJs posters (HermeticallySealed?) posted his analysis of this phenomenon awhile back on another thread. I don’t want to speak for him, as he was very eloquent, but the gist I got was it can be rooted in resentment at seeing someone else being seemingly easily accepted by society at large, while they themselves may have never felt that acceptance as they came of age.

Thank you, gabilan. This could be part of the generation gap that went between Gene Simmons and Adam.
How unfortunate!

I continue to be absolutely astonished (in a good way) at the movement of LLWD on iTunes over the last 7 days. If Kirsten is reading comments, do you attribute this mainly to LLWD reaching the so-called “tipping point” in AI (nearly 10 million) and weekly spins (over 2,000 now), or the release of the music video, or a combination of both?

Kris is up from the 120-130 range about 7 days ago to about 75 now, and still climbing. He’s now 33 on the Pop chart. I’m sure we’ll be discussing this ad nauseum on the Media thread in the morning, but I’m just beside myself at how things are going. The many appearances in the next few weeks as well as the music video starting in rotation will do nothing but help matters.

…but the gist I got was it can be rooted in resentment at seeing someone else being seemingly easily accepted by society at large, while they themselves may have never felt that acceptance as they came of age.

I believe this to be true. I remember reading an article saying the generational gap in the gays is like the generational gap from WWII vets to other generations.

Exactly. Go to Data Lounge, Gawker, Queety, and even AfterElton, or as I said, Project Rungay or whatever gay site where there is an article or whatever about it, support isn’t the word that comes to mind.

Actually, from what I can tell, AfterElton is VERY supportive of Adam. There will always be those who are catty and bitchy but judging by the number of times Adam has won the Gay of the Week award, the majority of those who frequent the site and participate in the polls are definite fans.

Also, I think that commenters on sites like Queerty and Gawker who like to criticize Adam tend to be much more vocal than those who simply enjoy his music and performances for what they are – good entertainment.

Jmom: I’m not sure what time Kris performs tonight, but there are quite a few intrepid benches from ONTD_AI at the event. I have total faith we’ll get excellent video out of the event. I can hardly wait!

The gay issue just won’t seem to go away and I don’t understand why. I have never looked at Adam as gay or straight. I see an extremely talented youg man that also seems to be very smart and articulate. That is the Adam I love and cherish. I don’t believe he has to be a spokesperson for anyone or any cause. He just wants to entertain us and that he does.

I love FYE and am excited about the album and what is ahead of him.

Kris and family at lunch (Katy seems to be hiding behind Kris)

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=2896573&id=40145903545#/photo.php?pid=2903568&id=40145903545

The thing is, no matter what Adam is, gay, straight, single , married, black, white, Democrat, Republican – there are going to be people that don’t like him, don’t like what he does, don’t like his voice, don’t like his politics.
It’s the same for all of us.
Adam seems to be ok with that- he’s said that he’s not gonna please everyone, and that people that don’t like him for whatever reason don’t have to be his fans, they can find someone else to be a fan of.
Adam seems to be very grounded and mature in this regard- I think all of us can learn a little something from his attitude on this and not stressing about who is and who is not supporting him.

Kris is up from the 120-130 range about 7 days ago to about 75 now, and still climbing.

Kris’s song rose again because his music video premiered on the web.

I wonder if Megan’s tweet means she’s gotten a record deal?

I don’t get this discussion about Adam not getting enough support from the gay community. Do the ENTIRE gay community have to support Adam simply because he is gay? The gay community is not a single-minded entity and doesn’t function as such.

The thing is, no matter what Adam is, gay, straight, single , married, black, white, Democrat, Republican ‘“ there are going to be people that don’t like him, don’t like what he does, don’t like his voice, don’t like his politics.
It’s the same for all of us.
Adam seems to be ok with that- he’s said that he’s not gonna please everyone, and that people that don’t like him for whatever reason don’t have to be his fans, they can find someone else to be a fan of.
Adam seems to be very grounded and mature in this regard- I think all of us can learn a little something from his attitude on this and not stressing about who is and who is not supporting him.

Exactly.

DA4real

# Katy ask ‘Daniel, why don’t you have an ounce of fat on your body.’  Kris says,’ Michael Phelps eats like 10000 calories a day’ . I say???21 minutes ago from Sidekick

# Katy goes, ” but he’s an Olympic Athlete’ .. I go,’ I am an Olympic athlete, just not noticed yet’  hahaha18 minutes ago from Sidekick

Ha, yeah girlygirl, I think Daniel was stuffing his face, probably like usual, and Katy was wondering where it all goes, lol.

Yeah for ONTD ai’ers being there so between them and Daniel we should get something from tonight’s performance!

@Eileen99:

Wow, soooo happy for Kris. I think that he works really hard on the radio circuits and it helps also that he can just go and bring his guitar and sing a song ( songs) acoustically.

Please everybody that knows how to do this, .. keep us posted on the chart / whatever movements on Kris ‘ song.
Thanks so much

but judging by the number of times Adam has won the Gay of the Week

Don’t forget that the poll gets a call-out by some Adam fans to vote multiple times. Still, After Elton has been more than kind to Adam.

This may be the sea change of generations between an older gay “admitting” he is gay, to a younger gay being glad they are gay.

The idea comes from Gawker and Queerty and even some of it on AfterElton, which I think has been the most supportive of Adam. And what gay media? Out magazine? as I mentioned, I think they’ve been mostly supportive and he’ll be in their next issue, but on the boards I go to? Not so much. Heck even on Project Rungay when they had the sexiest bachelors and Adam was on it, the lack of support, to put it mildly, was pretty typical.

The major gay news and entertainment sites — Out.com, WindyCity, LOGO (TV and online) and so on — have been very supportive of Adam. And most LGBT media and entertainment folks: Perez Hilton, Ellen, Melissa Ethridge, GLAAD President Neil Giuliano and so on almost all pro-Adam. Plus, many people who are actively involved in LGBT equal rights but not gay actively support Adam — Katy Perry, Kathy Griffin,

The specific sites mentioned do not represent the gay community IMO:

Queerty – regularly covers Adam. Most of the articles are positive or neutral about Adam. And the only negative comments on the Adam articles are usually about “fraus” posting comments on the Adam stories. For example here is their latest Adam article: http://www.queerty.com/adam-lambert-might-have-a-new-boyfriend-or-just-a-new-friend-20091106/

AfterElton is very supportive of Adam, and although there are some negative comments made about Adam on that site, I suspect that at least some are not from gay readers but from other kinds of visitors. In some cases the negative comments include misused slang, for example.

Project RunGay a blog by two gay writers commented put Adam #5 on their response to People’s Sexiest Bachlor list and wrote this [under a not great picture of Adam] “Adam Lambert: Perhaps we’re going against the tribe on this one but we always found him curiously sex-less.” What “tribe” do you think the writer of this gay

Every comments about Adam that was on this article is listed below — and they are mostly from women:

Comment by “a homo” — might be a gay man, might be a poser. With this comment I bet it’s a posre.

Adam Lambert is gay sex on legs, although that’s not a good picture of him.

With name but not def male or female

Adam is way too glam.

Adam… gross (what is up with that eyeliner and your face us NOT pretty).

Comments by women:

RE: Adam Lambert. He’s cute as hell without the make-up. He looks like a whole different person.

I’m with you on the Adam sex-lessness.

Anonomous comments:

But why did you pick one of the most hideous pictures of Adam Lambert to showcase instead of one of the hundreds of gorgeous ones? He’s a actually quite the charming chameleon and you aren’t playing fair.

Finally, Gawker exists to dish dirty and gossip — they do not “support” people. And it isn’t a “gay oriented” site. Setting that aside, their last article on Adam — 10/20/09 — was about the Details Mag cover/article and it only has about 20 comments — most from women and most are trivial comments — why does any one get their photo taken with chipped nail polist, Has anyone else pointed out that that cover shot makes Adam Lambert look like a young, sexy, gay Elvis? and so on. http://gawker.com/5385793/what-do-adam-lambert-and-details-have-in-common/gallery/

I continue to be absolutely astonished (in a good way) at the movement of LLWD on iTunes over the last 7 days. If Kirsten is reading comments, do you attribute this mainly to LLWD reaching the so-called ‘tipping point’  in AI (nearly 10 million) and weekly spins (over 2,000 now), or the release of the music video, or a combination of both?

I honestly don’t know. I’m stunned at how quickly it’s gone up. Granted, the difference in units moved between 120 and 75 is less than that between 75 and 30, but it’s still a significant movement.

It could have reached the tipping point. The video might be helping, too. You don’t normally get traction from a video like that in a few days though. Not without some high profile release on TV or an iTunes add or something. So, I don’t know. It actually started to gain some steam last Sunday, so it’s not likely all due to the video. Maybe people are starting to hear it enough to want it?

This may not last. Or maybe it’s just the start. Sorry. I just don’t have any comparible stats for this. New music Tuesday will no doubt push it down a bit.

Starryeyed
11/08/2009 at 5:10 pm
dcglam
11/08/2009 at 3:45 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tZNae9yq0gE

snf, Adam with the children, snif

Okay’ ¦’ ¦.Serious tears over here. Love this. OMG!

So glad I am not the only one who gets choked up by that video! Sniffles!

Right, going to catch up on this thread as it sounds like a lot of interesting points are being raised. You guys are an intelligent bunch I have to say!

Oohhh…this is nice. Going to watch it right now. What a nice way to start the morning. Playing FYE.

I’m sure someone probably said this when I wasn’t looking, but sometimes a subtle kind of persuasion is the most effective way to change minds. Admittedly, this is anecdotal, but since it’s an anecdote about me, I’m going for it. MY attitude about gays has totally changed because of Adam. I talking 180 degrees. I’m not violent, so I don’t mean I was gay-bashing. More like don’t ask, don’t tell. And no to gay marriage or adoption.
When you connect these issues to how they affect an actual person that you’d like to be happy, then attitudes can be changed. I can’t believe I’m the only one whose mind has been changed by him.
I’m not saying that parades, petitions, and soap boxes don’t have a place. I am saying that maybe just being who he is is the most appropriate way for Adam.

Lady GaGa shows her breasts in Japanese Vogue ‘“

CAUTION ‘“ NUDITY:

http://micahjesse.com/fashion/full-frontal-lady-gaga-shows-her-tatas-in-japanese-vogue/

Thanks..this reminds me that I need to make an appointment for my !overdue mammogram!

Oh and Adam has said himself that he hasn’t received unanimous support in the gay community. I’m not sure why he would ‘” just because a person has a sexual orientation ‘” straight, bi or gay ‘” doesn’t mean they are similar in other ways to every other person who has the same orientation.

The whole point that people are trying to make is not that every gay person has to love Adam. Some are downright trashing Adam, and not because of his singing. There are the gay community who support Adam, some are indifferent, and then those who aren’t liking the way Adam is handling his sexuality. He is not gay enough, too gay, or whatever. That’s the big difference.

Thanks, Kirsten – I tend to believe it’s reaching the tipping point first, and people seeing the music video second. I don’t even think it’s started in rotation yet (tomorrow, I think?) on TV. Kris & Jive have been working their butts off on the radio front with all the interviews & appearances. Now that it’s officially reached Top 40 status on Pop, I’m hopeful some holdouts (mainly West Coast) will start spinning it. I’m looking forward to adds this week. Glee being back on this week will push it down a bit as well, but hopefully it will hold its own against that. I’m wondering if we’ll see a LLWD iTunes banner this week or next to give it another push now that it’s gaining cred on the charts.

http://www.examiner.com/x-11563-David-Cook-Examiner~y2009m11d8-David-Cook-unplugged-and-somewhat-uncensored?#comments

This blogger who mentions this very site, Yay MJ, is interviewing David Cook next week and is asking for questions.

Lady GaGa shows her breasts in Japanese Vogue ‘“

CAUTION ‘“ NUDITY:

http://micahjesse.com/fashion/full-frontal-lady-gaga-shows-her-tatas-in-japanese-vogue/

This is why I don’t think that Adam and Lady Gaga should tour. I think they would feed off each other and continue to push boundaries until they run themselves off a cliff.

4Msrmyn
11/08/2009 at 6:16 pm
I’m sure someone probably said this when I wasn’t looking, but sometimes a subtle kind of persuasion is the most effective way to change minds. Admittedly, this is anecdotal, but since it’s an anecdote about me, I’m going for it. MY attitude about gays has totally changed because of Adam. I talking 180 degrees. I’m not violent, so I don’t mean I was gay-bashing. More like don’t ask, don’t tell. And no to gay marriage or adoption.
When you connect these issues to how they affect an actual person that you’d like to be happy, then attitudes can be changed. I can’t believe I’m the only one whose mind has been changed by him.
I’m not saying that parades, petitions, and soap boxes don’t have a place. I am saying that maybe just being who he is is the most appropriate way for Adam.

Wow. What a wonderful way to make the point that Adam– just by being who he is without apology and sans soapbox– is changing hearts and minds.

Thank you for “coming out” with this. I salute you.

I don’t get this discussion about Adam not getting enough support from the gay community. Do the ENTIRE gay community have to support Adam simply because he is gay? The gay community is not a single-minded entity and doesn’t function as such.

No one is saying the GLBT community is monolithic and posts here haven’t claimed that. We’ve in fact talked about the divides in age or whatever. And no, the GLBT communities as a majority don’t have to support Adam at all. They are indivividuals after all. In some cases, asshole individuals. Just on the other hand I don’t have a problem or think Adam isn’t doing enough for the GLBT community just by being out and being himself and speaking on gay issues and not actively, politically working in a way that some seem to expect of him. When being out is an of itself, again, it’s own brave statement. Unfortunate that it should still have to be a statement, but it is, so there you go.

But it’s not also untoward for me to just point out that a gay community that doesn’t need to feel the support Adam as a whole, somehow wants Adam to go out of his way to support them more actively? Ok den. Again, Adam is openly gay at the beginning of his careeer, answers honestly questions about gay marriage, is fine kissing his boyfriend for the paps and owns the pictures of his kissing his former boyfriend and has always just been who he is, and part of that, is being gay. If that’s not enough for the majority of the gay community to support, well there you go then.

Q3, sorry, not going to go through and find every other comment that sucked on Project Rungay, Data Lounge, Queerty, and Gawker. Gawker isn’t just some gossip site, by the way and the person who usually posts the articles about Adam and hated him through his AI run, is part of their regular contributors and is gay. So there you go.

This is interesting…the Logo Channel is interviewing Kris. Have they interviewed many past Idols?:

logochannel

# We’re interviewing Kris Allen next week. Send me your questions 4him & if we choose yours will give u credit w/ur Twitter name! -Morgan16 minutes ago from Tweetie

The gay issue just won’t seem to go away and I don’t understand why. I have never looked at Adam as gay or straight. I see an extremely talented youg man that also seems to be very smart and articulate.

Which sex somebody prefers to sleep with has absolutely nothing to do with his or her singing abilities. Further, the public has no intrinsic right to know about anybody’s legal sexual matters. Coming out or not is a totally personal and private matter, IMHO, and those who are so hung up on prying into it merit no consideration whatever.

So what’s everybody think about the Hot Leg guitarist playing on Mr. Lambert’s CD?

I think it’s a pretty bold collaboration for an Idol CD to have a hard-core rock presence on a track.

Personally, I love the style. I haven’t been able to stop listening to the new Hot Leg CD since I got it. I didn’t know anybody was even doing that kind of twin guitar riff rock n’ roll anymore. To do it with the irony of a hipster band is prett darn fun.

Hot Leg opening for Adam Lambert would be a rockin show. Especially in the UK.

huh?

Q3 When do you think we’ll see the out 100 cover?

I’m wondering if we’ll see a LLWD iTunes banner this week or next to give it another push now that it’s gaining cred on the charts.

The next week is the album release week, so I think they’ll probably have an iTunes banner add for that. There is a LOT of jockeying for position for those banner adds (especially at this time of year), so who knows?

Thanks..this reminds me that I need to make an appointment for my !overdue mammogram!

LOL!!

Re-reading the good write-ups about Adam (LA Times & Inquirer.net). This is really a guy with a kind heart, level head and super duper talented! You gotta love this glittery guy from planet fierce who came here for your entertainment. What a way to start Monday morning!! I just love it!!

This is why I don’t think that Adam and Lady Gaga should tour. I think they would feed off each other and continue to push boundaries until they run themselves off a cliff.

I don’t agree with this but it still made me LMAO.

When you connect these issues to how they affect an actual person that you’d like to be happy, then attitudes can be changed. I can’t believe I’m the only one whose mind has been changed by him.
I’m not saying that parades, petitions, and soap boxes don’t have a place. I am saying that maybe just being who he is is the most appropriate way for Adam.

Michael Sarver is an excellent example. By getting to know Adam, it completely changed his view about accepting people based on who they are and not on some “label”. Consequently, Adam may have also had some pre-conceived notions about Christians that were changed by getting to know Michael, Kris, and Danny.

That why we are taught not be judgmental, but to love. It opens doors into people’s hearts.

No one is saying the GLBT community is monolithic and posts here haven’t claimed that.

I think the fact that people here is bemoaning the fact that he is not getting support from this site or these people are quite indicative of this thought. Not everyone is going to like him and whether those people are gay or not is irrelevant.

So Kris is going to be interviewed by LOGO. I figure Adam will too closer to his release date.

both have a Gay following

Looks like NPR is going to be discussing a lot of the upcoming albums from current/ex-Idols on “All Things Considered” today!

“The new season of American Idol starts in January, but this month brings a flurry of Idolatry at record stores. Host Guy Raz gets some help from Idolator.com’s Maura Johnston in sorting through the options ‘” from Carrie Underwood to Kris Allen to Adam Lambert, with a little Susan Boyle thrown in for good measure.”

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=120227961

Q3, do you have the link to the Project Rungay page? I would really appreciate it. I know their site has changed and I would never be able to find it. I used to follow them faithfully last year and have even met them. So surprised to hear they are indifferent to Adam.

This is why I don’t think that Adam and Lady Gaga should tour. I think they would feed off each other and continue to push boundaries until they run themselves off a cliff.

I don’t agree with this but it still made me LMAO.

It would be a kick-ass tour, but then the cliff thing.

adamaloha
11/08/2009 at 5:07 pm
Q3, I read the gay sites because I am interested in all things Adam, and because I am genuinely interested in learning about a culture I’m not a part of.
I see a definite split in the posters on Adam. Many young gays embrace him and are proud of and for him. Many, many of the older posters are.. hmmm, how shall I put it’ ¦ cruel and dismissive? Most definitely. They call him names that would put hetero homophobes to shame.
So I think, based on my observations, that Adam is getting support from a certain segment of the community, but he is scorned and even hated by many in the rank and file.’ ¨

Luckily, the supportive segment happens to be the one that decides who gets coverage in the publications.
I think adam himself is aware that he is not accepted and loved by all gays. He does his own thing’“ regardless.

I wonder though if they are the same segment that has the more disposable income to help with his cd sales. Support for publication coverage is great right of the most watched television show but in the end it all comes down to sales.

Well, I don’t think we’re going to resolve anything here but the discussion itself is, I think, a healthy airing of views.

However the wisest words of all come from Adam:

“People want to talk about whether I have rock cred, whether I’m selling out, the theatricality, the gay stuff… Chill out! And just enjoy yourself. It’s not that deep.”

I think I’ll take his advice now– and just chill.

The new season of American Idol starts in January, but this month brings a flurry of Idolatry at record stores. Host Guy Raz gets some help from Idolator.com’s Maura Johnston in sorting through the options ‘” from Carrie Underwood to Kris Allen to Adam Lambert, with a little Susan Boyle thrown in for good measure.’ 

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=120227961

Thanks girly. That’s only a few minutes away.

Thanks girly. That’s only a few minutes away.

Cool. What does NPR stand for? Or is that the name of the show, I want to record the show. Is it even a show? XD

Don’t forget that the poll gets a call-out by some Adam fans to vote multiple times. Still, After Elton has been more than kind to Adam.

You can only vote multiple times by using more than one computer (so it’s one vote per computer). Also, Adam placed 16th in the 2009 Hot 100 poll (that is voted on only by gay/bisexual men). Kris placed 98th in the same poll.

This is why I don’t think that Adam and Lady Gaga should tour. I think they would feed off each other and continue to push boundaries until they run themselves off a cliff.

LOL — You guys are SO funny!!

do you have the link to the Project Rungay page? I would really appreciate it. I know their site has changed and I would never be able to find it. I used to follow them faithfully last year and have even met them. So surprised to hear they are indifferent to Adam.

Part and parcel to me are what they said and the majority of comments, which I am not going to bother posting individual ones to support it. Anyhew, here is the link: Project Rungay Oh and they are also a place I see wonderful spreads from Vogue Italia, and others, that make me really hate again the cheap ass one by Elle for the idols. Some recent examples of great stuff on their site, and why Elle sucks: British Dazed and Confused The American Haper’s Bazaar and a few Vogue Italia Edwardian-esque and more modern take, more recent shoot All of the links again, just make me weep for Elle’s crappy Kradison shoot. I blame the lack of NeeNa GarCia. Oh, but they still suck about Adam.

This is interesting’ ¦the Logo Channel is interviewing Kris. Have they interviewed many past Idols?:

They did a big feature on Cook last year.

Out Magazine is due out this week. The do not have a specific “on sale date” in their media kit — it just says “Early November”.

The comment that Adam is getting more support from the Jewish community than he is getting from the Gay community is just not sensible —

1. Neither is a monolith. And the Jewish community is extraordinarily diverse. There is an old expression, “Put two Jews together and you’ll get three opinions” — and I guarentee there is more than one opinion on Adam. [Even my Jewish family is divided on the subject.]

2. Further, the idea that Adam is not getting support from the “gay community” is just not true — and it keeps getting repeated as if it is a fact. And there is a difference between being proud of someone and thinking that they are talented — and believing that they are sexy or finding them personally sexually attractive.

3. However, Adam will not be successful if he is labeled the “Gay Jewish Idol”. He needs to be a person, an entertainer who is Gay and Jewish and was on American Idol. And I am certain that Adam, 19R, RCA and Sony all know this.

Finally, Gawker does not represent anyone — it is a blog designed to generate traffic with stories like the “Top Stars of Porn”. And just because they have a writer who is gay, doesn’t make it a “gay-oriented site”. It is not. Disney has some gay executives — does that make Disney, the world’s largest entertainment company, a gay company?

That’s really odd that they would trash him for not coming out during the show. I would think they’d save their rancor for all those celebrities who came out AFTER they achieved stardom, or those who haven’t come out at all.

Besides, although he didn’t official announce ‘I’m gay’  during the show, he also never tried to hide it. He lived openly as a gay man his entire adult life in LA.

I’ve been puzzled about this hating on him by the gay community for a long time.

Isn’t “coming out” a personal decision and not done on a specific timeframe? There are many celebrities that will never come out and even though they are *thought* to be gay, unless they choose the time for themselves, it shouldn’t be an issue. Why should anyone care?

Adam may have been living as an openly gay man longer than others have but obviously when he decided to come out, the time was right for him. Different people and different personal/family circumstances may hinder someone from ‘coming out’, even if they wanted to. It’s not a matter of timeframe for anyone.

My best friends son is gay and he didn’t ‘come out’ to his parents until he was in his late 20′s. There were reasons behind it, but they were his reasons. He did it when the time was right. He is a very successful businessman, has been listed in Forbes Magazine, has been with his partner now for over 12 years. Should he have been the victim of anyone’s rancor just because he waited until the time was right for him?

In the end, it’s an individual choice and nobody should have any rancor directed at them.

Truthiness, the link was a 404 link to an mj page.

I just finished a book called “At Least in the City Someone Would Hear Me Scream”. Its a memoir written by a gay man who moves from the city to the woods of Michigan with his partner to pursue life as Thoreau did in Walden.

I know that not all gay men are attracted to the same “type” of man, but the author (and his partner) would not find Adam at all attractive. They think guys are “hot” that are smaller, and very toned and muscular. The author strives to look thinner, and crams himself into tight, girls jeans.

I think that women find Adam attractive and sexy because he is taller, and a bigger guy. On the gay websites-many of the negative comments are from guys who just don’t find Adam attractive.

I discovered from reading this book that many of the things I find so unique about Adam, and make him so interesting, may not be so special in the gay community. The author and his partner bring over 40 scented candles with them to Michigan, obsess about clothes, and are always falling on the ice because of wearing fashionable leather boots. The book is hilarious BTW

Lady GaGa shows her breasts in Japanese Vogue ‘“

CAUTION ‘“ NUDITY:

http://micahjesse.com/fashion/full-frontal-lady-gaga-shows-her-tatas-in-japanese-vogue/

Thanks..this reminds me that I need to make an appointment for my !overdue mammogram!

LOL!

Boredinschool:

Cool. What does NPR stand for? Or is that the name of the show, I want to record the show. Is it even a show? XD

NPR = National Public Radio. It’s a network of publicly/member supported radio stations. The show, in this case, is “All Things Considered”, which basically discusses the interesting topics of the day, as determined by NPR itself.

sidewalkstory
11/08/2009 at 6:50 pm
Truthiness, the link was a 404 link to an mj page.

Weird, okay well I can’t edit (grrr) but here is the link and not using the link thing from mj’s (maybe that’s the problem). http://projectrungay.blogspot.com/

Though one can just find it doing a google search for “project rungay”

After peaking at around #8 in New Zealand Itunes two weeks ago (#4 Pop Chart), LLWD is still selling there quite well. It’s now at #19 in the Overall Chart and #9 in Pop Chart. WOW!

Thx Thruthiness. I used one of your other links to their site and just typed in Adam’s name.

Wow. What a wonderful way to make the point that Adam’“ just by being who he is without apology and sans soapbox’“ is changing hearts and minds.

And more and more people will change their hearts and minds about adam. It is just a matter of time. Resistance is futile. LOL!

It is not. Disney has some gay executives ‘” does that make Disney, the world’s largest entertainment company, a gay company

Well considering how much crap Disney has gotten for daring to have and keep a day where gay partners can get dicounts for their theme parks for significant others, and offering benefits to “partners” and how some Conservative Christian groups have gone after Disney for being too gay friendly…there you go then.

The NPR audio is up now

http://www.npr.org/templates/player/mediaPlayer.html?action=1&t=1&islist=false&id=120227961&m=120228134

Currently in US Itunes Chart

#72 LLWD
#74 FYE

This chick on NPR is from Idolator? She just said she didn’t think LLWD had a place on the radio? And basically said Kris belongs in a coffee shop

Dumb

Currently in US Itunes Chart

#72 LLWD
#74 FYE

Good for Kris! yay happy for him.

Not so happy for Adam. sads. But going to the point of maybe doing some more radio shows and more roll-up-your-sleeves support of the single, there you go.

The NPR audio is up now

Thx for the link. I haven’t been to the site in a while. I’ve forgotten how I used to enjoy it.

At David Cook’s concert last night he noted some special people in the audience – Monty’s Dad, Neal’s Mom – and an old friend who is battling cancer. This is from a blog she posted
“…Needless to say I got to see and catch up with David, Neal, and Andy…I got to meet Monty and Kyle and the whole night was amazing.

It was really great to catch up with him…especially great to hear Dave’s heart about what he’s gone through with his brother, Adam, battling cancer…I’ve heard it before (before Adam passed away in May)…but it didn’t have quite the meaning and I didn’t have quite the understanding that I have today. I don’t think any of them will understand how awesome it was to just be normal for a night. To catch up and visit with old friends. It really meant a lot to me.

There was a very special part of the night…something that Dave & the band did and was very special to me. You can view the video here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z-QFuQqzbnE …”

http://www.caringbridge.org/visit/amberbain/journal

This chick on NPR is from Idolator? She just said she didn’t think LLWD had a place on the radio? And basically said Kris belongs in a coffee shop

Dumb

ITA

I guess this person from Idolator who was on NPR just now actually has a Glambert #?

That 7 minutes was a waste of time…

Currently in US Itunes Chart

#72 LLWD
#74 FYE

Which just goes to show you that radio play is how you get singles to sell. LLWD is moving up the charts and will probably continue to do so. FYE will move up again after it starts getting regular spins.

Oh wow. NCIS – love the show from day 1.

Currently in US Itunes Chart

#72 LLWD
#74 FYE

Ships passing in the night.

Adam, turn around. You are going the wrong way. Hold on guys. They got to steer this biig boy. No problems they have to go back on shore for a bit. Adam forgot his favorite jacket.

Currently in US Itunes Chart

#72 LLWD
#74 FYE

Good for Kris! yay happy for him.

Not so happy for Adam. sads. But going to the point of maybe doing some more radio shows and more roll-up-your-sleeves support of the single, there you go.

I truly think it’s waaaayyyyy too early to feel sad for Adam. His song just came out a week ago, and for half of the days, it wasn’t even available on I-Tunes. RCA has stated they’ll be doing a push starting this week, so, considering that so many fans had already purchased Adam’s single on AO before it made its way to I-Tunes, I don’t think ranking just a couple below a song we know has been available for several weeks is so bad. JMHO.

NPR = FAIL.

Adam forgot his favorite jacket.

Which is his fave? He has so many!

FYE will start moving when Adam gets more promotion. Happy for Kris to see his song doing well.

Adam, turn around. You are going the wrong way. Hold on guys. They got to steer this biig boy. No problems they have to go back on shore for a bit. Adam forgot his favorite jacket.

More LOL — I am laughing so hard tonight!!

Adam forgot his favorite jacket.

Which is his fave? He has so many!

Well that is why it may take a while. He has to decide. Then he will probably have to accesorize and find other accoutrements. You know he runs totally on girl time. He likes to get pretty.

So, anyone do does not like Kris is a Glambert and as a number. Maybe they just don’t like the kind of music he produces.

Just listened to the NPR podcast. I don’t know if I agree that Kris belongs in a coffee shop, but they did make a good point when they likened his music to the ’90′s.

KmA
“11/08/2009 at 6:47 pm
That’s really odd that they would trash him for not coming out during the show. I would think they’d save their rancor for all those celebrities who came out AFTER they achieved stardom, or those who haven’t come out at all”

How did the Gay community react to Clay coming out ?

what happened on NPR?

So, anyone do does not like Kris is a Glambert and as a number. Maybe they just don’t like the kind of music he produces.

Didn’t the guy say Adam is her favorite?

Hey SueB Billy Costa on Kiss108 played Adam by request today.

How did the Gay community react to Clay coming out ?

If I recall correctly, it was a collective yawn.

Which just goes to show you that radio play is how you get singles to sale. LLWD is moving up the charts and will probably continue to do so. FYE will move up again after it starts getting regular spins.

For sure FYE will go up once AMA and other radio efforts are put into play. Not much has been put into it right now. LLWD has to go up given that it already has the whole shebang in place.

what happened on NPR?

http://www.npr.org/templates/player/mediaPlayer.html?action=1&t=1&islist=false&id=120227961&m=120228134

Just listened to the NPR podcast. I don’t know if I agree that Kris belongs in a coffee shop, but they did make a good point when they likened his music to the ’90′s.

well, 80s is making a comeback, why not 90s?! lol.

i listened to it; she did seem highly enamored with the whole glam rock thing adam has going (but i hear none of this “rock and roll” thing she mentions FYE has going) and a bit dismissive towards kris. but assuming she has a glambert # is a bit much! different strokes makes the world goes round.

What happened on NPR?
Carrie is sounding more mature in this album, actually knowing better than to go off with a cheating man, perhaps alienating fans of “Before He Cheats”
Kris’ sound won’t work on the radio; it’s a throwback to 90′s “cleaner” pop and he should be playing in a coffeehouse
Adam fits the radio better cause he WANTS to be a rock star and his album cover is spangles with stars and glammy
Susan Boyle will outsell them all

There is a cellcast for Anoop’s performance at UNC’s Homecoming tonight

http://www.ustream.tv/channel/amc2summer

It starts at 7 pm EST, but Anoop’s friend, David Mikush, will be opening for him.

From @amc1988: To save battery power, we’re not going to broadcast David Mikush. But Anoop music while we wait http://www.ustream.tv/channel/amc2summer

BeckyMD and JToms

I would never say everyone who doesn’t like Kris is a Glambert. That’s obviously untrue.

But in the case of the idolator.com lady who was on NPR today, according to the peeps over on ontd_ai, this woman DOES have a glambert #…GLAMBERT 5695888 to be exact.

How did the Gay community react to Clay coming out ?

If I recall correctly, it was a collective yawn.

Though (if remember correctly) at that time he did become the “joke” in late night TV circuit.

I’m not sure I can explain fully. Part of it is just absorbing the teachings of the church I was raised in as a child. Part of it is not knowing an actual gay person. Part of it is accepting the attitudes of the political party I identified with for most of my adult life.
I can say that in recent years, my attitude has radically changed about our drug policies and prison system. I have been questioning our delivery of health care.
The best explanation may be that I’m at a time in my life when I’m reevaluating my beliefs, so I have been open to a new way of thinking about gay people.
I will say that my attitude change about drug policies and the prison system had to do with meeting a woman who took her jail ministry very seriously. I’ve meet inmates whose troubles were made so much worse by criminalizing addiction. It’s more complicated than this and I’m in danger of climbing up on my own soap box.
Sorry it took so long to answer. I still haven’t thought it all through, but that’s enough for now.

At David Cook’s concert last night he noted some special people in the audience ‘“ Monty’s Dad, Neal’s Mom ‘“ and an old friend who is battling cancer. This is from a blog she posted

I loved reading her blog posting… I’m glad David and the guys could give her such a good night where she could hang out with friends. Awww!

Well I agree with the NPR chick on how well and why SuBo will do. Again, I think SuBo is going to kick some major tail and be number one when her album is released.

I love and am a member of ontd_ai (and was defending it here the other day) but their saying the NPR chick has a glambert number means jackshyte to me. First off, and what I love about them, they’re about the lulz. Secondly, they, like me, like Kradam and Kradison. Thirdly, sometimes they’re wrong and are assholes. Also, unfortunately like me. I admit it.

But in the case of the idolator.com lady who was on NPR today, according to the peeps over on ontd_ai, this woman DOES have a glambert #’ ¦

Whether or not she has a “Glambert #” is immaterial to me. Ok, fine, she’s obviously an Adam fan, but she got there because she preferred his music in the first place. The whole point of reviews is to give opinions. So what if she already preferred Adam?; I’m sure each and every person who has reviewed Kris and Adam already had a leaning before doing so. Look at Jim and Slezak — they both actually prefer Kris, so it’s no surprise when they lean that way in their reviews.

I am beginning to wonder if the radio will play any of Adam’s songs, so far it has been 0 for 2.

****GLAMBERT 5695888****

The numbers go that high? WOW!

Wow! Just heard LLWD for the third time today on Chicago 101.9, and I have not been listening all day–only while running errands. This station is huge in Chicago. Radio play equals sales.

But in the case of the idolator.com lady who was on NPR today, according to the peeps over on ontd_ai, this woman DOES have a glambert #’ ¦GLAMBERT 5695888 to be exact.

Wow.. the number 5695888 (that’s 5M+) Does that mean there are 5M glambert members? I didn’t know that. Fascinating.

Yahoo! Glam rock is the best! Anyway, i consider the NPR interview normal. Nothing that has not been said before and repeated time and again.

but assuming she has a glambert #

Maura does NOT have a glambert #. Trust me on this.

Also, I didn’t find her remarks about Kris dismissive at all. She didn’t say Kris “should” be playing in a coffee house, but that he is a coffee-house type artist. Also, what she said about clean-pop not getting played on Top 40 these days is just the truth.

Logo is interviewing Kris next week

http://twitter.com/logochannel

Logo is a gay cable network.

There was a very special part of the night’ ¦something that Dave & the band did and was very special to me. You can view the video here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z-QFuQqzbnE ‘ ¦’ 

http://www.caringbridge.org/visit/amberbain/journal

Thanks for posting this wellhesback! I read her journal and now I’m in tears. I’m so happy that the guys were able to make her night so special!

Logo is interviewing Kris next week

That’s cool. They interviewed David Cook last year.

Interesting reading for a slow Sunday evening~
I suppose this goes along with our “gay” discussion. The sensational title is what roped me in……..

http://www.rightcelebrity.com/?p=7198

I am beginning to wonder if the radio will play any of Adam’s songs, so far it has been 0 for 2.

Everything will happen in due time.

Also, what she said about clean-pop not getting played on Top 40 these days is just the truth.

But he is now officially on Top 40, right?

But in the case of the idolator.com lady who was on NPR today, according to the peeps over on ontd_ai, this woman DOES have a glambert #’ ¦GLAMBERT 5695888 to be exact.

Dude, unless God has sent a plague of them, there are not 5 million glamberts. I’m pretty sure she’s joking–and now I see that MJ has already said something similar.

It’s irritating when people we like get what we consider to be unfair critiques. But not everyone who criticizes Kris is a Glambert, just like not everyone who criticizes Adam is homophobic, just like not everyone who criticizes Allison is racist, etc.

And while I think that both Adam and Kris have a good chance of having both critical and commercial success, no artist escapes unscathed by bad reviews. It’s just a fact of life.

Logo is interviewing Kris next week

That’s cool. They interviewed David Cook last year.
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Was that the interview where David did the interviewers hair?

Okay I am an Adam fan and even I think that NPR lady was full of shit. Has the woman never heard of Matt Kearney, Augustana, Mat Nathanson, O.A.R. Jack Johnson ,John Mayer or Jason Mraz?These are all singers on my ipod. These are not 90′s bands. Cook and Daughtry? Totally 90′s. Allen, completely current.

I love LLWD, and I was no fan of Kris’ throughout the season. This is a good song. Coffeehouse? No. Not with this song. Do I think his career will be as big as Adam’s? No, but this song does belong on radio. Glad to see he is rising on the charts. Adam and Kris’ songs couldn’t be any more different, but they are without a doubt the two best post season debut songs.

“Susan Boyle will outsell them all”

I believe this to be true, many people were fascinated with her story and and her singing and want to help her out and will buy her music

dcglam
11/08/2009 at 4:35 pm

HUGE hug for you, ms. suebrody!!

Aw.. Thanks. I just got home. Right back atcha.

But in the case of the idolator.com lady who was on NPR today, according to the peeps over on ontd_ai, this woman DOES have a glambert #’ ¦GLAMBERT 5695888 to be exact.

Dude, unless God has sent a plague of them, there are not 5 million glamberts. I’m pretty sure she’s joking’“and now I see that MJ has already said something similar

If only that was her number! Adam’s single would have gone multi platinum in a day! LOL

Also, what she said about clean-pop not getting played on Top 40 these days is just the truth

I obviously don’t think she’s a glambert, she sounded very calm and sane to me, but isn’t Kris’s song in the top 40 now? I’m not trying to talk back or anything, I’m honestly curious how all this works.

Also, what she said about clean-pop not getting played on Top 40 these days is just the truth.

But he is now officially on Top 40, right?

Top 40 with spins and yay@ still has a bit to go with sales, but his arrow is on the way up! (excited)

Squirrely
11/08/2009 at 7:25 pm

Hey SueB Billy Costa on Kiss108 played Adam by request today.

Oh, I so did not miss it again.

All KISS, all the time for now on. Mix, you are dead to me.

Was that the interview where David did the interviewers hair?

No the hair thing was for “Best Week Ever”.

Thank you mamadeb

Out Magazine is due out this week. The do not have a specific ‘on sale date’  in their media kit ‘” it just says ‘Early November’ .

The comment that Adam is getting more support from the Jewish community than he is getting from the Gay community is just not sensible ‘”

1. Neither is a monolith. And the Jewish community is extraordinarily diverse. There is an old expression, ‘Put two Jews together and you’ll get three opinions’  ‘” and I guarentee there is more than one opinion on Adam. [Even my Jewish family is divided on the subject.]

So we should see the other magazine pretty soon then? Awesome.
I have a jewish family too and me and my mom like Adam and my dad is indifferent.

mj
11/08/2009 at 7:47 pm

but assuming she has a glambert #

Maura does NOT have a glambert #. Trust me on this.

Also, I didn’t find her remarks about Kris dismissive at all. She didn’t say Kris ‘should’  be playing in a coffee house, but that he is a coffee-house type artist. Also, what she said about clean-pop not getting played on Top 40 these days is just the truth.

well i wasn’t assuming she did; i was saying to assume as such was ridiculous. but you confirmed it so its all good.

you’re right; i meant to say dismissive of LLWD, though
i’m not sure what clean pop actually means. i would assume she means songs like “falling for you” or “say hey i love you” or maybe even “already gone” and those are all doing pretty well. and that little jason mraz hippie diddy from last year was about as clean pop as you can get and did great.

i think a more apt description probably would have been the alt-pop 90 sounds like sugar ray, matchbox 20, nine days, etc.

LLWD is doing very well on the Mix in Chicago. This is a good example of how valuable playing those radio sponsered concerts can be. Kris will be playing at the Mix’s Miracle Near State Street in December, and, this station also has some kind of tie-in to the Napa concert Kris is doing (today?). The Mix has been advertising the Napa concert for weeks and even gave away tickets for listeners to make the trip. This station is notoriously slow adding new artists—I don’t think LO got a daytime spin till January. This is a huge HAC station that loves the Idols (eventually, lol). Very good for Kris.

No the hair thing was for ‘Best Week Ever’ .

AND hilarious!!

Adam and Kris’ songs couldn’t be any more different, but they are without a doubt the two best post season debut songs.

I like Adam and Kris equally, and I totally agree that LLWD is one of the best post season debut songs from AI. I think that we’ll find it’s a “grower not a show’er”. FYE? Not so much. Catchy but empty, IMO.

Well if they were joking about the idolator.com lady being a Glambert, then ok — I’m sorry. I still take too much of what I read on these sites literally

But she still missed the boat about LLWD having no place on radio. That song is nothing BUT radio friendly.

LLWD just went past FYE on the iTunes charts — it’s now at #73 overall and #32 pop compared to FYE being at #74 and #33 respectively. I don’t know what this means, other than all the promotion Kris has been doing has finally given the song a real boost? And maybe that no matter who the artist is, a song still needs to be promoted in order to sell?

I was just wondering if LLWD jumping up nearly 30 spots this weekend is unusual? I thought that most sounds tended to stay stable or drop on charts over the weekend. It seems like most of the positive movement on charts tends to come early in the week. But again, IDK.

Top 40 with spins and yay@ still has a bit to go with sales, but his arrow is on the way up! (excited)

I just checked Amazon single sales:

“For Your Entertainment” – #24
“Live Like We’re Dying” – #173

I don’t mean to be argumentative, but I do believe there’s plenty of music on pop radio that’s “clean.” Perhaps my local station is more HAC than pop. I hear Switchfoot, Colby Callait, that Firefly song (repeatedly, to the point of wishing for an icepick to the eardrum actually), Plain White Tees, John Mayer, etc. Isn’t this “clean” pop? I’m confused. I know that these types of songs cross over to many of the “pop” stations, don’t they? Not the urban pop of Ryan Seacrest territory, but other less urban stations.
I’m thinking, MJ, that I don’t understand what she meant at all and should have kept my words to myself, as I usually do. Maybe she was talking more about the particular style of song LLWD is. I guess that The Script will do poorly on the radio as well.

I don’t think FYE is trying to make any deep statement, lol. It is strictly fun, catchy pop. I think both Kris and Adam will do well. I do think FYE is better suited for Top 40, which was probably the plan.

The Glambert # comment on ONTD_AI was meant to be a joke – it wasn’t a serious comment. JSYK.

Well, my daughter and I ran out for fast food tonight. On the ride we heard LLWD on three different radio stations. We were gone for 20 mins. I would say that’s good news for Kris fans. He may not be my fav but I can still wish him well!

I’m thrilled to have some news about Gedeon McKinney. I’ve often wondered what he was doing aft Idol. That kid has a great voice. His personality was off-putting, but, I think he was just very naive. I hope to hear more from him in the future.

FYE? Not so much. Catchy but empty, IMO.

The top 10 is full of catchy but empty. That’s pretty much what popular music is. Boom Boom Pow anyone?

Oh and for anyone who has not seen or wishes to see again here is the link to DC’s hair skit on Best Week Ever.
Man-Scape!
Also here is the link to the Best Year Ever feat. AI hi-lights.
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RT SadaoTurner Hey @ AdamLambert fans…the surprise I promised u months ago will be revealed tomorrow. Its big. No glitter necessary.
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Ryan’s program director- who owes us because of the roadblock, lmao!

I like Adam and Kris equally, and I totally agree that LLWD is one of the best post season debut songs from AI. I think that we’ll find it’s a ‘grower not a show’er’ . FYE? Not so much. Catchy but empty, IMO

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No I can’t argue that FYE is deep and thought provoking, but it is fun and offer some naughty visuals. I love hearing it in the car – can’t wait until it’s on the radio so much I have to change the station.

lorismile: What city are you in?

Lady GaGa shows her breasts in Japanese Vogue ‘“ CAUTION ‘“ NUDITY: http://micahjesse.com/fashion/full-frontal-lady-gaga-shows-her-tatas-in-japanese-vogue/

This is GaGa being GaGa. She’s got a Marilyn Monroe ‘“ Madonna vibe going in these pics. (Remember Madonna’s book, ‘Sex.’ ) And yea for GaGa representing a minority I can relate to – petite women without breast implants. You go, girl!

I love Adam’s version of GaGa’s ‘Fever’  on FYE. Have listened to her version on YT and it’s a perfect fit for Adam. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UyINUkSCuxg

This is why I don’t think that Adam and Lady Gaga should tour’ ¦they would feed off each other and continue to push boundaries until they run themselves off a cliff.

Exactly why I want them to tour together. It would be one fantastic glittery parachute ride that would land them safely on Planet Fierce. And the duet, I can hear it now.

isisdagmar: I obviously don’t think she’s a glambert, she sounded very calm and sane to me

LOL.

I am happy Kris’s song has jumped on the itunes chart. Just because I am an Adam fan does not mean I want Kris to fail.

I have enough faith in Adam and his label to know that things are just getting started for him.

The NPR interview was great! Refreshing that she acknowleged Adam’s ambitions– and said it’s great that Adam WANTS to be a pop star, that he’s obviously going for the high gloss sound. She placed no real judgment on either singer, except to describe what kind of artists they are to her ears.

And the SuBo thing grounded the entire interview.

I didn’t hear the interview, but I’m confused about the clean comment as well? Did she define that in anyway. Let’s look at the current top 10 on Pop:

Lady Gaga – Paparazzi
Jason Derulo – Watcha Say
Jay Sean – Down
Miley Cyrus – party in the USA
Beyonce – Sweet Dreams
Britney Spears – 3
Kelly Clarkson – Already Gone
Owl City – Fireflies
Kings of Leon – Use Somebody
Taylor Swift – You Belong To Me.

Now, I kind of suck at listening to lyrics (I didn’t realize that Maroon 5 was shooting somebody in the head for a while), but I’m reasonably certain that most people would classify the songs by Miley, Kelly, Owl City and Taylor Swift as clean. Beyonce usually stays pretty clean and Kings of Leon aren’t singing about Sexy Bitches. And Paparazzi sounds clean to me (or am I missing something?). “3″ is definitely on the dirtier side of things, but that’s Brit.

So, colour me confused. Oh, and while I was checking out the Pop chart, I see that Kris has slid up another spot to 38 with the afternoon update (Cobra Starship went recurrent).

The top 10 is full of catchy but empty. That’s pretty much what popular music is. Boom Boom Pow anyone?

Adam was going for club music. Something to sit and have drinks and dance to. Catchy and empty is just the prescription. Sounds like the club scene.