Idol Headlines for 11/06/07

This is on Y100 Miami’s website. Elliott is scheduled to perform at the Jingle Ball, December 15, 2007. This is the sister station of Z100 and they do their own Jingle Ball where Jordin Sparks will perform with an all star line up. I wonder if they’ll add Blake to the Miami event. The promo says more artists are to be added. I guess it depends how big his single is by then:

http://www.y100miami.com/pages/JingleBall.html

It’s fun to read Sligh’s blog as he’s smart and honest but I always wonder if his candor and high expectations will bite him in the butt.

Congratulations to Chris Sligh on reaching an agreement with a label he wants to work with. I look forward to hearing more details (which label and when we might see an album).

I guess it depends how big his single is by then:

Sometimes it happens in reverse. The artists who perform at these radio events don’t get paid by the radio station. Often, artists will perform at them in order to “encourage” the radio station to play their song. Obviously, they aren’t going to let artists that don’t fit their format sing at the concerts, so it’s a bit of both. You have to be popular enough to be invited, but agreeing to perform may help you to become more popular on the radio.

I wondered if the artists got paid for these concerts. The performers at the Jingle Balls include Timbaland, Avril Lavigne, One Republic, Sean Kingston. I wonder if this is a form of payola where the artists perform for free in return for the radio play. The radio stations can then keep all the $ from the concerts. Maybe the labels do some deals to get other artists played.

Anyway, it’s nice to Elliott included especially since the new single has not been played on many big stations yet. Blake’s single will get a lot of play on Z100, etc. It’s perfect for their format.

Jordan is preforming here at the big event which hhas been moved to the excel the same place as the Police played..Oh by the way last year Kat Mcphee also did one of the radio events..Yes it is the song is good but it helps if it is wrote by stargate which has a good reputation od making pop hits even thought the artist has to sell it.

Elliott has become a Pr tool in these overdone events like a brand new car.No longer a regular Guy but a disease and the raise awareness look at your tv commercials. Well his managment of underdog worked too good. The work behind the scenes gets trumped by the major pr events in front…

Blakeà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s single will get a lot of play on Z100, etc. Ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s perfect for their format.

I agree. His song is just perfect for Top 40 radio. I am so excited for him. He is already #80 on the Pop charts after just one week that his single was released.It looks very promising.

ALso, his official radio adds don’t go in effect until Nov 20th, so being #80 without the push from the label is pretty good.
That same day his song will be available in I-Tunes too. I think his song will do as well as Tattoo or even better. JMHO.

“I always wonder if his candor and high expectations will bite him in the butt.”

And what a mighty big one it is!

Though the former à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“American Idolà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  champ is not headlining her own tour yet, sheà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s clearly one of the yearà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s most visible country performersà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦.

I doubt that anyone who has been paying attention really needs any more proof that “journalists” can’t be bothered doing any of that pesky research, but just in case:

Thu. March 02.2006 3:41 PM EST
Carrie Underwood Announces 41 Tour Dates

Carrie Underwood is letting her bus driver take the wheel for her first solo concert tour. The six-month itinerary starts on April 5 in Wilmington, N.C., and will carry her through 40 cities in the U.S. and one stop in Canada. Tapping into the fair and festival circuit, this will be Underwood’s first tour since the American Idols Live tour in 2005 shortly after winning the TV competition’s top prize.

Furthermore, Carrie’s solo tour revenue for 2006 was reported as $6.7 million.

The original à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“American Idolà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  winner tussled publicly with RCA over her third album, à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“My December,à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  when the label balked at Clarkson writing her own songs.

The subsequent underpromotion played a role in downsizing Clarksonà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s current tour from venues like the Pepsi Center à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬’ where the Denver show was originally booked à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬’ to the 1,870-seat Paramount Theatre.

Uh no. The arena tour was cancelled before the album was released because ticket sales were so anemic, there was no promotion on the planet that could have filled all those empty seats. From the Wall Street Journal (06-22-07):

Ticket sales for the tour quickly stalled, and some markets saw as few as seven or eight sold a day, according to one person familiar with the situation.

It’s interesting that so many of these Idol concert reviews can’t seem to resist reviewing the audience:

But one could easily imagine Clarksonà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s fans unabashedly belting out her tunes while driving to work à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬’ or taking the bus to school.

A gentle if not terribly subtle reminder that the Idols, old & new, attract an atypical concert audience?

jpfan
Nov 6th, 2007 at 10:39 am
I wondered if the artists got paid for these concerts.

A radio tour is a promotional effort, both for the artists who appear and the station which “sponsors” the event. The label usually pays for the artist’s travel & associated expenses to perform at these concerts (subject to recoupment), while the radio station keeps any profit from ticket sales.

And may I ask, even if true, what’s wrong with that? Shouldn’t that be considered a good thing? I’m sure the venues don’t care what the people look like as long as there are butts in those seats.
ETA: this comment is in response to Nevada’s 4:39 comment.

jersey
Nov 6th, 2007 at 5:07 pm
And may I ask, even if true, whatà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s wrong with that? Shouldnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t that be considered a good thing? Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢m sure the venues donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t care what the people look like as long as there are butts in those seats.
ETA: this comment is in response to Nevadaà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s 4:39 comment.

Ask the reviewers why it matters. I’m making an observation based on having collected hundreds of solo concert reviews for various Idols since 2003.

Nevada, I wasn’t really looking for an answer from you. I know it’s an observation on your part. I was just asking a rhetorical question directed at the reviewers, not you. I worded it poorly. Sorry for the confusion.

Not realted ..
Dancing with the Stars —

Marie Osmand father George died at the age of 90.She went home to be wih her family and will miss the show. Thier mother died in 2004.

An interesting update on the new Radiohead album:

http://www.news.com/8301-10784_3-9811013-7.html?tag=nefd.pulse

LAST UPDATE: 3:54 p.m. PT–Those who predicted that Radiohead would see mass financial support after allowing fans to pay whatever they wanted for the band’s latest album appear to have been a tad optimistic, according to a study released Monday.

Of those who downloaded Radiohead’s digital album, In Rainbows last month, about 62 percent walked away with the music without paying a cent, reported ComScore, an Internet research company.

HDD

NOW IN: FINAL

LW TW artist / album label power index % change
– 1 EAGLES EAGLES RECORDING COMPANY 707,253 —
LONG ROAD OUT OF EDEN
– 2 BRITNEY SPEARS JIVE/ZLG 289,791 —
BLACKOUT
1 3 CARRIE UNDERWOOD ARISTA/RMG 162,976 -70%
CARNIVAL RIDE

Hang it up Britney.

On the same issue, also from HDD’s Rumor Mill:

SCAN FOLLOWS SUIT: No sooner did we announce that the Eagles would be #1 on HITS’ Building Album Sales chart this week than that other trade magazine has come out with the news that, despite the fact Long Road Out of Eden is available exclusively at Wal-Mart and the band’s website, it will be #1 on theirs as well. The move is already being enthusiastically embraced by our reader, one Jill Fouts of cbgla.com, who writes: “I have to give you guys kudos for embracing reality and putting the Eagles at the top of your chart!” Of course, that’s about the only reality we’ve embraced over the past 21 years. (11/6p)

http://www.hitsdailydouble.com/news/rumormill.cgi

So SoundScan is following suit, heh.

WTG, Eagles!

Interesting Radiohead article. I wonder what portion of the 62% that didn’t pay for the Radiohead album would have found another way to get it for free anyway. I guess there’s no way to really tell.

WTG, Eagles!

I can’t tell you how disappointed I was last Saturday.

Congrats to LSU!

So the numbers that have been circulating about Bo’s first week’s sales (9,400) reflect the hard copies from WM too? That would have to follow if WM released the numbers for the Eagles’ CD. Man, that’s bad.

I could be wrong, but methinks the above WTG Eagles reference was for these EAGLES. LOL

Oh, I read that as Tigers. Hee. It’s been a long day, and I’m still at work.

ETA: I have to admit I’m a bit shocked at the numbers for the Eagles. Good for them.

A Christmas album titled American Christmas will be released to iTunes in the near future, featuring a host of former ‘Idol’ contestants. Below is the tracklist.

1) Jasmine Trias, “The Christmas Song”
2) Alexis Stone Lopez, “Winter Wonderland”
3) Frenchie Davis, “Silent Night”
4) Perla, “Jingle Bell Rock”
5) The Maynard Triplets, “O Holy Night”
6) Ayla Brown, “Grown-Up Christmas List”
7) Lisa Leuschner, “Santa Baby”
RJ Helton, “White Christmas”
9) Nikki McKibbin, “All I Want for Christmas Is You”
10) Lisa Leuschner, “I’ll Be Home for Christmas”
11) Ayla Brown, “Rockin’ Around the Christmas Tree”
12) RJ Helton, “O Holy Night”
13) Nikki McKibbin, “Alone with the Christmas Lights”

No word on a release date, but they have a MySpace page up.

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=274336460

Elliott will be on the Montel Williams show Nov. 14 @ 9:30 a.m.
If you want to see the show you can call 212-830-0377 and get free tickets. The studio is at 433 West 53rd Street, NYC. I have no idea if he’ll perform or what the topic is but I’m guessing it’s connected with Diabetes related events in NYC that week. This show will be taped and I’m not sure when it’ll actually be shown.

The thing that is nice about this kind of deal is this: most major label deals are 1 5 deals…this means, you’re guaranteed to make 1 record and the label has the option for 5 more. Basically, you’re tied up for what equals to about 10 years.

Even the “one & out” treatment Justin Guarini, Diana DeGarmo, and Bo Bice received can tie them up for a fair amount of time, but Sligh is right, at least as long as the label keeps deciding to exercise its options.

Neveda — Based on Chris Sligh’s disclosure, care to speculate on what that means for AI5 top 4 idols?

Totally off topic but wanted to share – My jerky ex-husband scored only 12% in his run for sheriff in today’s election. Justice.

Wasn’t power voting allowed Lu?

The Eagles also kept Britney off the top of the charts in the UK on sunday.

…care to speculate on what that means for AI5 top 4 idols?

Clive seems to like to play his cards close to the vest, so it wouldn’t surprise me if he took something of a wait-and-see approach with Taylor and maybe even Katharine…let them go back into the studio and record 20-30 tracks for potential use on a second album. Maybe they’ll surprise him.

If he hears “hits,” all is well.

If he doesn’t, sayonara.

As for little dà ¢’ž ¢ and the Spice Boys, a second album is a lock, in part because it allows the label to hold up to 35% of mechanical royalties for the debut album in reserve against potential losses from future albums via cross-collateralization. Will a second album do as well as the first?

The odds aren’t good. Kelly’s second album did better than her first, but the third is widely considered a flop. Carrie’s second album started better than her first, but it’s far too soon to tell whether it will hold up. Ruben, Clay, Fantasia, and now Bo have seen diminishing returns as far as CD sales go.

Elliott’s deal is kind of a hybrid, but it remains to be seen if he can build on the moderate success of “Wait for You” and whether he’s enough of a draw as a headliner. So far, he hasn’t seemed to be able to sell out even small venues, but perhaps that will change.

My guess: none of the AI5 top 4 are still with their original label ten years from now…and maybe not even in 5 years.

Lisa B
Nov 7th, 2007 at 12:33 am
The Eagles also kept Britney off the top of the charts in the UK on sunday.

And here is Australia:

* 1 – NEW 1 LONG ROAD OUT OF EDEN Eagles UMA
2 1 2 1 DELTA Delta Goodrem COL/SBME
* 3 – NEW 3 BLACKOUT Britney Spears

So SoundScan is following suit, heh.

Yes, they did. As a stickler for rules, I’m not sure I like a last minute change like this, but I guess we’ll see Bo’s numbers reported in SS now (if he’s still in the Top 200):

http://www.billboard.com/bbcom/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1003668840

The Eagles’ first new studio album in 28 years, “Long Road Out of Eden,” takes a short route to No. 1 on The Billboard 200 after Billboard revised a significant chart policy today (Nov. 7).

In consultation with Nielsen SoundScan, Billboard will now allow exclusive album titles that are only available through one retailer to appear on The Billboard 200 and other charts, effective with this week’s charts. Prior to this, proprietary titles were not eligible to appear on most Billboard charts.

1. Eagles 711K
2. Britney 290K

A Christmas album titled American Christmas will be released to iTunes in the near future, featuring a host of former à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã‹Idolà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢ contestants. Below is the tracklist.

Interesting. Neat to see Lisa listed. I thought she totally got screwed by the show when they suddenly decided not to let her sing in the wildcard round.

My jerky ex-husband scored only 12% in his run for sheriff in todayà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s election. Justice.

Ha!

I swear, I didn’t even know the Eagles had an album out last week. I can’t believe they sold that much at WalMart and their website alone. Granted, there’s only one Wal-Mart here within the city limits and I don’t shop there as a matter of course. Still, I would think I would have heard that they had an album out, especially since it sold so much its first week. Very odd, but good for them.

Totally off topic but wanted to share – My jerky ex-husband scored only 12% in his run for sheriff in todayà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s election. Justice.

:devil_tb:

:drunk_tb:

BTW I saw over on Pulse that somebody finally got an answer about “do multiple downloads from iTunes count”? Fred at Chart Beat addressed a reader question. At the risk of bankrupting some of our more enthusiastic readers, here is his response:

Buying a track two times would count as two sales. There could be a number of reasons you would want to buy the same song twice (maybe you want to have it on 10 different computers). However, if you were to buy a track, let’s say, oh, 800 times, that would be considered an anomaly and would not count. So it’s not possible to rig the charts by buying the same track an exorbitant amount of times. The same has always been true of physical records as well.

I know someone who purchased several hundred copies of the same CD single a few years ago to give out as gifts, and was surprised to find out that sale was not counted for the charts. I explained to her later that her sale must have been considered an anomaly, and possible chart-rigging, although that wasn’t her intent. Perhaps if she had purchased 10 singles each at 80 different stores she would have made an impact on the charts, but I don’t think she had the time or energy.

The same has always been true of physical records as well.

I’m glad Fred mentioned this as well. Those people who go in and buy ten or twenty — if not more — of the same CD at a time need to change their evil ways, baby…

Elliottà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s deal is kind of a hybrid, but it remains to be seen if he can build on the moderate success of à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“Wait for Youà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ……..

LOL. Moderate success of “Wait For You”? It was released back in March and peaked at #3 on the pop charts.

EIGHT MONTHS LATER, it’s still in the top 20. And again, EIGHT MONTHS LATER, it’s still rising on the AC charts.

Moderate success is what I said, and moderate success is what I mean. Believe it or not, the days when airplay ruled the music industry are long gone.

Sales of CDs/downloads and concert revenues are what count, and what will make or break his career. Elliott’s CD/download sales are good for a quasi-indie release, but not spectacular by any stretch of the imagination.

His concert revenues are lackluster. Need proof?

Elliott Yamin, Josh Hoge The Fillmore at the TLA
Philadelphia, Pa.
May 25, 2007
$11,910
691 / 1,000
1 / 0
$22, $20
Live Nation

Elliott Yamin St. Andrews Hall
Detroit, Mich.
May 30, 2007
$5,500
318 / 818
1 / 0
$20
Live Nation

Elliott Yamin, Josh Hoge Gothic Theatre
Englewood, Colo.
June 5, 2007
$5,860
348 / 999
1 / 0
$20
Live Nation/in-house

Elliott Yamin House of Blues
San Diego, Calif.
June 15, 2007
$17,831
726 / 900
1 / 0
$35, $20
House of Blues

Elliott Yamin, Josh Hoge, The Last Goodnight
Bogart’s, Cincinnati, Ohio
Oct. 9, 2007
$8,438
559 / 1,350
1 / 0
$21, $18.50
Live Nation

I really don’t see how buying multiple copies could affect record sales in the long run. Even 5000 (at most) hard core fans buying 10 copies only equals 50K. Not a lot. Plus, if an album has legs, then it has appealed outside the fanbase.

I hope people will realize that and not waste their cash and/or send CDs to troops who probably have mp3 players and not cd players.

I hope people will realize that and not waste their cash and/or send CDs to troops who probably have mp3 players and not cd players.

But they do make handy little frisbrees which are fairly compact to pack.

And lest we forget, they can be used for arts-and-craft projects. What better way to forget about the constant danger you are in than to gaze up at the mobile of Idol CDs you made yourself. Why, the way they catch the light is hypnotizing. And such a sense of accomplishment. Just ask Dave!

And lest we forget, they can be used for arts-and-craft projects. What better way to forget about the constant danger you are in than to gaze up at the mobile of Idol CDs you made yourself. Why, the way they catch the light is hypnotizing. And such a sense of accomplishment. Just ask Dave!

My balcony is full of CD’s reflecting the sun to keep away the pigeons. I hate mean birds. LOL.

Moderate success is what I said, and moderate success is what I mean. Believe it or not, the days when airplay ruled the music industry are long gone.

Yes, the days of radio airplay are numbered. Not to mention the fact that Billboard recently made airplay factor MORE when it came to calculating the Hot 100.

Long gone, indeed.

I don’t recall suggesting that radio airplay’s “days are numbered.”

What I said is that radio is not what it used to be, that its glory days are far in the past, and that a radio hit does not guarantee album sales or concert ticket sales.

More than a few of the top radio artists couldn’t sell out a tiny hall in a backwater town with free beer & tattoos thrown in as incentives…

Aside from the accounting reasons, maybe Daughtry gets a second album because, I don’t know, the first one was such a huge smash. Second albums are always tough for idols though. Let’s see if Carrie can do half as well with the 2nd album. I’ll take Elliott’s moderate success over big failure any day. Plus he shares ownership of the album What does the label get from each album anyway?

EIGHT MONTHS LATER, ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s still in the top 20. And again, EIGHT MONTHS LATER, ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s still rising on the AC charts.

One hit wonders

Two hit wonder QUIZ

…radio is not what it used to be,….

Radio Nowhere

More than a few of the top radio artists couldnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t sell out a tiny hall in a backwater town with free beer & tattoos thrown in as incentivesà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦

KISS MINE

I managed to get 18 out of 25 on that ‘Two Hit Wonder’ quiz. But it took a while. Sitting here singing a bunch of crappy songs to myself….

There’s a chart on Pulse Music Board that lists One Hit Wonders of 2000-present based on radio spins, etc. It includes the idol boot song, Crazy, Before He Cheats, etc. The #1 OHW of the decade (so far) is WAIT FOR YOU. Of course, once you get a second Top 40 hit, you’re off that chart. So I sort have mixed feelings on this one.

…Sitting here singing a bunch of crappy songs to myselfà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦.

I hate when that happens. LOL

ETA: 18 of 25 (or, as one of the number’s geeks would say, 72%) I did much worse.

What I said is that radio is not what it used to be, that its glory days are far in the past, and that a radio hit does not guarantee album sales or concert ticket sales.

Here’s what I am arguing: that WFY was considered a HIT, and was not “moderately successful” as you put it.
Here’s what I am NOT arguing: that airplay guarantees album sales and/or concert sales. (I never even mentioned this).

In Billboard’s calculation of the Hot 100, AIRPLAY is more weighted than sales. Yet you contend that sales is more important.

Not to mention that he’s already sold 758k copies of WFY.

And regarding Elliott being considered a one-hit wonder, you’d think (and HOPE) that people would be smarter than that and realize that his second single is steadily climbing up the charts.

Jesus Christ. Not everyone’s second single is going to debut at #1.

In Billboardà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s calculation of the Hot 100, AIRPLAY is more weighted than sales. Yet you contend that sales is more important.

Not to mention that heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s already sold 758k copies of WFY.

And the Billboard Hot 100 is of critical importance, why? Other than fans who obsess and brag over chart positions, who actually pays any attention to it?

758k downloads of “Wait for You” might be nice for the songwriters
[Jackson, Eriksen, and Hermansen] and the song publisher [Sony ATV?] but it’s hardly been a cash cow.

The statutory mechanical royalty rate for digital downloads in 2007 is $0.091 per song for songs less than 5 minutes in length, with the songwriters dividing $0.0455 of that.

So 758,000 x $0.0455 = $34,489 divided by 3 writers = $11,496 each.

Elliott’s probable take from digital downloads = $0.00 (unless he has a share of the publishing rights, which is not known).

Keep those hits coming…

And the Billboard Hot 100 is of critical importance, why? Other than fans who obsess and brag over chart positions, who actually pays any attention to it?

We’re discussing the successfulness of a SONG and you fail to see the significance of the Hot 100? Are you kidding me?

And regarding how much money is made off of WFY….ummm…I don’t remember that being part of the discussion.

Fangirls are very annoying.

**scratches head and wonders how one escaped the utter implosion and collapse of the Yaminion website** They ate their own, and must have spit a few of the less appealing morsels out.

Fangirls are very annoying.

1. I’m a guy.
2. I LOVE how you went into an old news thread to complain about something you don’t even care about. THAT’S annoying.

This “discussion” began when I answered a question which was directed TO ME ALONE by Juliegr.

Although I am an Elliott fan, I do not find it necessary to inflate his accomplishments, which — while impressive considering where he was in his life before AI5 — are relatively modest in real world terms.

Since I am the one who initially described “Wait for You” as a moderate success, I am allowed to define exactly what I meant by that…and in my opinion, his album sales and digital sales are moderate, while his concert tour performance is moderate to poor.

So far, Elliott has been unable to sell out even very small venues: only 691 in Philadelphia (69% capacity); 318 in Detroit (39% capacity); 348 in Englewood, CO (35% capacity); 726 in San Diego (80% capacity); and 559 in Cincinnati (41% capacity). How much of his audience came from Idol fans versus those coveted non-Idol fans attracted by his radio airplay is unknown, but my guess is that most of them were on the E-Train in the spring of 2006.

Once again…the question was directed to me. I answered it. Coming into a thread and hijacking the conversation because you want to talk about radio airplay — which has been long tainted by payola in one form or another — is just as annoying to others as being called a fangirl presumably is to you.

Tony
Nov 8th, 2007 at 1:06 am
1. Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢m a guy.
2. I LOVE how you went into an old news thread to complain about something you donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t even care about. THATà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢S annoying.

Who said I was talking about you? It’s not as if I named names. Mind you, the fact you assumed it was you I was talking about says so much. Oh, and yeah, I knew you were male. I wouldn’t call you a guy though.

Clearly I do care about the conversation if I came into an old news thread to complain about it. I read all new posts in every thread until they’ve left the building so to speak.

1. Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢m a guy.

A male with not so latent fangirly tendencies.

Yes, Nevada, you are entitled to your opinion.

For me, argument based on well-reasoned, fact-based opinion beats fangirly opinion, every time.

and…
Opinion based on well-reasoned, fact-based argument bests opinion based on fangirliness and tunnel visioned argument, every time.

Well, you already implied Elliott was a “one-hit wonder” and basically agreed with me (that WFY was a hit)….so….

Devil’s advocate must be a REALLY fun game

A moderate success.

You’ve already said it was a hit so there’s really no need to go back and forth.

Well, you already implied Elliott was a à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“one-hit wonderà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  and basically agreed with me (that WFY was a hit)à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦.soà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦.

To paraphrase the inimitable Hezzer (see post, Nov 8th, 2007 at 7:33 am ): Who said I was talking about Elliott’s WFY? Ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s not as if I named names of songs. Mind you, the fact you assumed the posting of a One Hit Wonder list meant I was talking about Elliott’s WFY says so much.

Youà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢ve already said it was a hit so thereà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s really no need to go back and forth.

Please prove to me that I have said this, review all my posts and SHOW me where I have ever said **read written** any such thing. You will not find one, because such statement does not exist.

Now, taking your statement (see post, at Nov 8th, 2007 at 1:06 am) as fact, that you ARE really guy **read, a male with not so latent fangirly tendencies**, you can now go back to playing with your penis pump….while listening to the Elliott’s moderate hit “Wait for You.”

ETA:
You can save your breath for your blow-up doll. I am done with this
silly fangirly drivel. Besides, my mother taught me to never get in a battle of wits with an unarmed man.

I prsumed something and you know the saying about that..I just do not like poeple being used for money(other than the cause) when they ,Elliott, are doing it for a cause. I have seen it wih others in the past I do not want it to happen to him..I jumped the gun no excuse.