Idol Headlines for 10/05/09

Go, Chelsie! I lurrrve her with Mark (Marksie) on S4 of SYTYCD, so I think this should be a good pairing. I don’t typically watch the show, but I will watch videos of her with Louie.

Kris will be performing at a show in Chicago with The Fray on December 4th.

http://www.wtmx.com/wtmx.php?pageid=MNSS209

101.9fm THE MIX presents Miracle Near State Street 11 on Friday, December 4 at a new location this year – The Auditorium Theatre. This year’s line-up features The Fray and 2009 American Idol winner Kris Allen.

Rumor Alert:

Posted in the old thread bringing it over to see if anyone else have information

: http://bit.ly/rmucj

Rumor from a Boston radio station of Lady Gaga and Adam touring together.

Kiss 108 is one of the most listened to stations in Boston and their news is somewhat reliable. If Matty in the Morning said it then there may be a a twinge of truth to it’ ¦..maybe

YAY, KRIS! I wish I lived in that area, b/c I would get tickets to that show in a heartbeat.

And I am still skeptical about Adam and Lady GaGa…I just want him on the road performing! And if he and GaGa do a tour together, I don’t want him covered in blood! I want to hear HIM. Oh, and SEE him. The Saturn Orbits from SNL (GaGa, Saturday night) detracted (for me) from her strong voice, personality, and piano skills. (She is classically trained, for those who didn’t know.) Of course, I don’t expect him to sit on a stool and sing, but I don’t want his voice overshadowed by lights, sounds, and gimmicks. JMHO.

Wow, Lady GaGa is trending and a first glance at the tweets are mostly in various foreign languages. One of the first in English says, “Who is Lady GaGa going to replace Kanye with?”

Even if it’s a rumor, it’s still great publicity for Adam ‘“ especially the phrasing, “She wants to reach out to him.”

If the rumor gets going, more people outside “The Bubble” will be looking him up. More hoopla for Adam.

ETA: suebrody, Adam has said from the beginning he wants to do full stage production. That doesn’t mean he will do HER stage production, he will do his own. But it does bode well for him doing what he wants to do first time out because there will all be a theatrical touring company in place. He might not get the chance to do that for awhile otherwise. His voice will out. It always does.

Kiss 108 is one of the most listened to stations in Boston and their news is somewhat reliable. If Matty in the Morning said it then there may be a a twinge of truth to it’ ¦..maybe

I was driving and heard matty say it. I did a double take.

Kris will be performing at a show in Chicago with The Fray on December 4th.

http://www.wtmx.com/wtmx.php?pageid=MNSS209

Count me in for this one. I’m excited. I love the Auditorium Theater. It’s an awesome place to see a show.

I don’t expect him to sit on a stool and sing, but I don’t want his voice overshadowed by lights, sounds, and gimmicks. JMHO.

Well, Sue, I’m afraid you may be disappointed in Adam’s career arc. I think he clearly has a vision of incorporating many of those elements that turn you off.

There’s a decent chance that his first tour won’t include too much of that since 19 will still be managing him and they will probably be shooting for mass appeal.

If Adam tours with GaGa (or, hell, with anyone), I am the FIRST ONE to buy tickets. I know, Susan M., his voice will always win over. But I can’t help it; with the lights and and sounds and backup singers, you always knew it was Adam on the Tour (despite the fact that you saw A D A M when he rose up, LOL). The dancing was hot and sexy, but I got to see HIM. I want to make sure I see HIM and hear HIM. If he replaces Kanye-IF–there is no way to get bigger exposure, I totally agree.

I want to know what Kris’s set list will be when he sings with the Fray.

ETA: Well, Sue, I’m afraid you may be disappointed in Adam’s career arc. I think he clearly has a vision of incorporating many of those elements that turn you off.

FEH. Oh, well…

ETA #2: I am not saying I will HATE his show or anything. I guess I was just hoping for more Upright Cabaret than The Zodiac Show, b/c I’m an eejit…

Matt is on the fart kick again – LOL

ImMattGiraud There are so many #dumbtrendingtopics like #someonefarted. Who would start something like that?…..psh.. Night Ya’ll.

I have an X-Factor question, have they ever explained what the point is of the “judges’ houses?” Why fly these contestants, in some cases, half way around the world to continue to evaluate them? It’s totally incongruous. They’d sing the same no matter where they were. From watching the clips in the other thread, it looks bizarre. There’s one of the judges and a “helper” lounging on some patio — with a pool, exotic plants, and filmy curtains — like someone should be feeding them grapes and these poor slugs come out and try to sing. It just defies logic. What does it have to do with anything?

Also, I know Simon actually has a house in L.A., but are the rest of the judges taking their crew to their actual houses or does the show rent something? If so, what a waste of money.

Well, at least the contestants get a free trip out of it.

SusanM: Adam has said from the beginning he wants to do full stage production. That doesn’t mean he will do HER stage production, he will do his own. But it does bode well for him doing what he wants to do first time out because there will all be a theatrical touring company in place. He might not get the chance to do that for awhile otherwise. His voice will out. It always does.

Even if Adam has a hit record, it would be very risky for him to go from Idol to headlining his own tour — considering Adam wants a “big production” with dancers, band, etc. I could see Adam (and his management) agreeing to do a limited number of engagements with Lady Gaga — maybe 15 or 20 shows. That would be a great way to promote his album and to establish him as a “big-venue” artist. But if this is real and he agrees to tour with LG, I sure hope he gets co-billing — even if he performs first.

As Randy would say: Lady Gaga is hot, today and current. What huge exposure Adam would get touring with her. It would put him in the big leagues and keep him in the big arenas

As Randy would say: Lady Gaga is hot, today and current. What huge exposure Adam would get touring with her. It would put him in the big leagues and keep him in the big arenas

Is she in big arenas?

But if this is real and he agrees to tour with LG, I sure hope he gets co-billing ‘” even if he performs first.

Adam has enough star power where he could easily get co-billing with Lady Gaga.

As Randy would say: Lady Gaga is hot, today and current. What huge exposure Adam would get touring with her. It would put him in the big leagues and keep him in the big arenas

Is she in big arenas?

No.

Not from what I’ve read.

BestAI
October 5, 2009 at 10:56 am
But if this is real and he agrees to tour with LG, I sure hope he gets co-billing ‘” even if he performs first.

Adam has enough star power where he could easily get co-billing with Lady Gaga.

To funny I hate lady “gag gag” but if any adam fan thinks she would open for adam SEEK HELP.Lmao “IF” he performs first.Really thank you that laugh will get me though the day.

Kris will be performing at a show in Chicago with The Fray on December 4th.

http://www.wtmx.com/wtmx.php?pageid=MNSS209

Cool…Wish i could be there!!

Adam and Lady Gaga… that would be an awesome setup for a tour

Is she in big arenas?

Not now, but she is planning an arena tour for March IIRC.

And if he and GaGa do a tour together, I don’t want him covered in blood!

Well, to each his/her own J/K – but I’m still all for a Gaga/Adam collab (and for that note, what can we do to get Adam on SNL? Him peforming in November would be siiiicck How did David Cook get the gig last year?)

Adam has enough star power where he could easily get co-billing with Lady Gaga.

I think you need to actually have music out there to headline, LOL. Adam doesn’t have any real record as an artist yet, while Lady GaGa is the “it girl” of the moment, with several hits under her belt. There’s no question that he’d be the opener, or, excuse me, “special guest”.

If Adam tours with GaGa (or, hell, with anyone), I am the FIRST ONE to buy tickets.

Ditto.

If Adam tours with GaGa (or, hell, with anyone), I am the FIRST ONE to buy tickets.

Ditto.

Double Ditto. I also have friends who LOVE Lady Gaga, so I see a few tickets being bought if he does tour with her.

“Adam has enough star power where he could easily get co-billing with Lady Gaga.”

No he doesn’t. Adam hasn’t proven anything AS A MUSICIAN outside the AI bubble yet.

That said, I’d definitely buy tickets for this tour.

I’d buy tickets for that tour, but it’s just a rumor. Not going to get excited, I still remember the roadblock..LOL. Adam wouldn’t be a co-headliner, he’d be an opener and I think he’d be fine with that as would most of his fans.

It would have to be the tour she’s starting in March, right?

Adam has enough star power where he could easily get co-billing with Lady Gaga

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Adam has star status inside the idolsphere, but in the real world – NO.
Sometimes it’s hard to see outside of the idol bubble.

Special guest works for me. You know what would help? A SINGLE BEING RELEASED.

Adam and Lady Gaga would be a good match. But isn’t she going on tour in November? I don’t think Adam will be touring before January. November/December will be promotion months.

Did this GaGa/Adam rumor begin based on the Kanye cancellation? Because she’s announced she’s going ahead and touring on her own, beginning in a few weeks:

The death of their “Fame Kills” tour last week was a “mutual decision,” Gaga said over the weekend. “Kanye’s going to take some time off. But the good news is that I’m going on tour in a few weeks.”

http://www.popeater.com/2009/10/05/gaga-to-gogo-on-without-kanye-calls-tour-collapse-a-mutual-dec/

Adam has enough star power where he could easily get co-billing with Lady Gaga.

No.He.Doesnt! He’s just starting out for crissakes

I really really really hope TfM and Adam’s first single are decent songs, if they aren’t he will be crucified.

If Adam is the opener or “special guest” of an artist as big as Lady Gaga is right now, I say good for him! He’s recognized as a great singer and performer, but he is not headlining material–yet. It’s a great combo and opportunity for him. Of course, this likely is just a rumor.

Speaking of opening acts, I’m seeing MUSE open up for U2 tomorrow night! Love them both, but first time to see Muse. Yay.

When I first heard Laday GaGa it was the Disco Stick song about a penis. I thought “this is ridiculous”.

I’ve since watched a number of her performances and press interviews. She is one of the few popular performers that I have seen recently that has the ability to sing and perform well in a live show. And I like that she doesn’t take crap in press interviews.

I think the deal was sealed for me only recently when someone here posted a video of her early days. Even without all the theatrics, she can still sing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pqZjSz6k8fY

I really really really hope TfM and Adam’s first single are decent songs, if they aren’t he will be crucified.

Squirrely- after hearing Allisons new song I am completely terrified. It’s okay that they Radio Disney’d a 17 year old, and the kids her age will love it, but if Max Martin did that to Adam, Imma hurt someone.

I am also in the camp that thinks Adam opening for Gaga can only be a good thing. Exposure, exposure, exposure.

Personally, I would be thrilled for Adam to open for Lady Gaga. They have a similar love for visual presentation. I think it would be a great show. They’d probably do a number together as well; otherwise, what a wasted opportunity.

Some PICTURES from Kelly show in Portland last night.

And a few VIDEOS

I really really really hope TfM and Adam’s first single are decent songs, if they aren’t he will be crucified.

True enough. We may know soon.

I’ve since watched a number of her performances and press interviews. She is one of the few popular performers that I have seen recently that has the ability to sing and perform well in a live show. And I like that she doesn’t take crap in press interviews.

Exactly. Listen to her performances on SNL. They were great. She can sing live, unlike, say, Katy Perry.

They’d probably do a number together as well; otherwise, what a wasted opportunity.

That would be awesome!

Exactly. Listen to her performances on SNL. They were great. She can sing live, unlike, say, Katy Perry.

hah, that’s exactly who I had in mind about not being able to sing live.

Isn’t it true that GaGa is doing arena tour beginning March 2010. This would fit in perfectly, IMO, will the timeline for Adam post album release.

Not that she is my favorite performer, but I agree she current and talk about…

Okay, finally weighing in the Lady Gaga/Adam rumor. IF for some reason it comes to pass, I agree with those who said Adam would be opening for LG as she is the one with the already released album with multiple hits. However, I can’t see her selecting him to open for her until after his album is released and we all see how it is received. Adam does not have huge drawing power. He has the AI draw which would add numbers to Lady Gaga’s crowd and would give him good exposure….so, as long as his music ends up being complementary to hers I don’t think she would refuse to have him open but it’s not like she’d be going “Oh! Maybe I could get Adam Lambert”. If a bazillion songs on his album sky rocket up the charts, that could change. But that isn’t a likely scenario.

I for one really like Lady Gaga. But I like listening to her and have no great desire to see her in concert. That’s not unusual for me as there aren’t very many people that make me want to go see them live. Because AI made me feel vested in him, Adam is one of those. So if they toured together, I’d go and enjoy both. As both of them are big into the performance aspect of their art, I’m sure it would be a fun worthwhile show.

That said, I highly doubt that this is any more than rumor.

Sidewalkstory, thank you for posting that link. I never realized Lady Gaga was a competent musician before that.

Agreed that Adam opening some or all performances for Gaga would be awesome. I don’t like her stuff myself, but it would be great exposure and experience for Adam.

Squirrely
October 5, 2009 at 11:22 am
I really really really hope TfM and Adam’s first single are decent songs, if they aren’t he will be crucified.

I’ve prepared myself for it even if they are great songs.

I was driving and heard matty say it. I did a double take.

So it was actually said on the radio. Until now I’ve been taking the fact that it was said on the radio with a gigantic dose of salt.

It’s encouraging to hear, even if it is only a rumor on the radio. Although, considering Adam’s “welovegaga” tweet the other day, I think there may be some truth to it.

Squirrely
October 5, 2009 at 11:22 am
I really really really hope TfM and Adam’s first single are decent songs, if they aren’t he will be crucified.

I’ve prepared myself for it even if they are great songs.

LOL! Oh, the interwebs, they will be a busting

I wanted to see Muse SO BADLY…we got Snow Patrol instead.

Anyway…back to KRIS…I wonder if he’ll play songs from the new album (I assume yes). And I think he gets to be first on SNL. Doesn’t the American Idol generally go first (e.g., Cook)? Adam would be awesome, but I think we’re talking early next year at the earliest.

It’s encouraging, and considering Adam’s ‘welovegaga’  tweet the other day, I think there may be some truth to it.

Since it’s ultimately Lady Gaga’s decision (that and her management) about adding Adam to a tour (if he was also inclined to do it), I think it is definitely a smart move of his to show so much Gaga love, even if it’s just via twitter (which is turning out to be a very powerful, and simple, marketing tool).

Collabs are so big nowadays, so Adam is doing all the right things by buddying up with so many similar and hot artists today.

I really really really hope TfM and Adam’s first single are decent songs, if they aren’t he will be crucified.

I’ve prepared myself for it even if they are great songs.

I agree. What songs could please everyone? Adam’s fans have so many differing expectations, some of them are sure to be disappointed. And the non-fans? Some will like his new songs, some won’t. It’s to be expected.
As Jordin sings, “I guess you better go and get your armor.”

I don’t think SNL is a American Idol sponsored slot. I think SNL will take whoever they want to take, rather than say it has to be the winner first. That being said, I’m hopeful for Adam but not assuming they’d ask him by any means.

Anyway’ ¦back to KRIS’ ¦I wonder if he’ll play songs from the new album (I assume yes). And I think he gets to be first on SNL. Doesn’t the American Idol generally go first (e.g., Cook)? Adam would be awesome, but I think we’re talking early next year at the earliest.

At this point, imo, it matters much less who won and who lost – they’re not on the show anymore, they’re no longer in the 19 fold of “post-finale” winner, runner-up media rounds. So, wouldn’t it become much more of an issue of, what does each person’s management team/label do for them wrt media appearances?

Again, I don’t know how Cook got the gig (as in, what were the logistics involved with arranging it, etc.) But I’d put Adam on before Kris. JMO, of course.

Are Adam and Lady Gaga on the same label? Do you have to be on the same label to tour together?

I agree. What songs could please everyone? Adam’s fans have so many differing expectations, some of them are sure to be disappointed. And the non-fans? Some will like his new songs, some won’t. It’s to be expected.
As Jordin sings, ‘I guess you better go and get your armor.’ 

Ok – based on what we’ve heard so far from Adam and his collaborators, my guess is the sound will be MUCH more like Allison (pop rock) and in the vein of Lady Gaga (electronic dance). If you don’t like this side of Adam, you will probably not like his first single. If you’re expecting MW or a “sitting on a stool” ballad, you will probably not like the first single.

However, I do think he will have more intimate, ballady songs on the album, and they may even make it as singles (if they’re strong enough), but it definitely won’t be the first “radio ready” single.

As Jordin sings, ‘I guess you better go and get your armor.’ 

I know right! Someone I don’t know personally should not be causing anxiety attacks – DAMN YOU ADAM!

I don’t think SNL is a American Idol sponsored slot. I think SNL will take whoever they want to take, rather than say it has to be the winner first. That being said, I’m hopeful for Adam but not assuming they’d ask him by any means.

Yes – definitely just wishful thinking at this point It would be awesome, but I’m hardly ASSUMING it will happen! Same as Oprah…that would be great, but…not exactly holding my breath!

Squirrely
October 5, 2009 at 11:52 am
As Jordin sings, ‘I guess you better go and get your armor.’ 

I know right! Someone I don’t know personally should not be causing anxiety attacks ‘“ DAMN YOU ADAM!

LOL…I knoooooooooow right?? I still remember listening to the cellcasts, posting in the concert threads and crossing my fingers that there would be no adam-gates that night..LOL. Too much anxiety, but oh so much reward

I wanted to see Muse SO BADLY’ ¦we got Snow Patrol instead

How can you NOT love Snow Patrol?

I like electronica. I hope he goes that route. (He gets one ballad, Come Home. Ha ha.) don’t doubt the songs being strong (I know, first Idol album, blah la la), I am just as curious about the tour. Daughtry’s first single was NOT Home, but it was one of his strongest. Same with Kelly’s latest album–first two tracks were My Life Would Suck Without You and I Do Not Hook Up. I prefer Already Gone, and that is single #3. But he has TWO singles coming out, so he gets to hit two different audiences potentially.

LOL’ ¦I knoooooooooow right?? I still remember listening to the cellcasts, posting in the concert threads and crossing my fingers that there would be no adam-gates that night..LOL. Too much anxiety, but oh so much reward

LOL! That must be where we differ – I loved the nightly Adam-gates – added to the variety of otherwise hearing the same sets night after night for a whole summer. Good times.

The GaGa rumor is just that. I wouldn’t hold my breath. Remember, she was looking for someone to help her move into bigger venues. So, I think I will just consider it an amusing rumor for now. Not that it wouldn’t be a good thing.

I have no idea if this is true but there was talk on Daughtry’s official forum this time last year about how labels have to bid to get artists on SNL. Read through the whole thread to see the timeline going back to how a poster there contacted the RCA mod who handles the page about how the SNL booking process works then to later when he posts something himself.

Even if Adam has a hit record, it would be very risky for him to go from Idol to headlining his own tour ‘” considering Adam wants a ‘big production’  with dancers, band, etc. I could see Adam (and his management) agreeing to do a limited number of engagements with Lady Gaga ‘” maybe 15 or 20 shows. That would be a great way to promote his album and to establish him as a ‘big-venue’  artist. But if this is real and he agrees to tour with LG, I sure hope he gets co-billing ‘” even if he performs first.

That’s how I was envisioning it, Q3. I hope it’s limited, for sure, but it would be an incredible entre for him.

I know SNL tweeted out about suggestions for their guests this upcoming season a few weeks ago.

They were bombarded with Adam tweet suggestions.

Also, I recall Ryan Seacrest twittering for top 3 requests for guest for upcoming New Year’s Rockin’ Eve and yes, was bombarded with Adam and Lady Gaga requests

I wonder if it’s possible that Lady Gaga has already heard some of Adam’s album, in which case asking him to join her on tour could be a very good idea in her opinion.

Thinking out loud, here.

If Adam tours with GaGa (or, hell, with anyone), I am the FIRST ONE to buy tickets.

Ditto.

Me too. I only hope it won’t be too inappropriate to take my 12 year daughter to it.

Even if Adam has a hit record, it would be very risky for him to go from Idol to headlining his own tour ‘” considering Adam wants a ‘big production’  with dancers, band, etc.

Big productions cost lots of money; many more people to employ. You have to expect to be able to re-coop that.

Plus, you can’t do a big production in a smaller venue.

There is no connection between SNL and AI. From what I understand, only a few AI people (winners or not) have ever performed there. I defer to some more experienced people to say who besides David Cook has been on there. I know Daughtry has not.

To get 2nd billing to Lady GaGa would give Adam more visibility than having his own show. As the new kid on the block, he is not getting co-billing with GaGa, one of the hottest tickets out there today.

Kelly Clarkson just performed on SNL earlier this year…. March, I think.

I don’t understand how Daughtry wasn’t ever on SNL…

GaGa had said or tweeted, I believe, out a bit ago that she had heard some his album

I first heard about the GaGa/Kanye cancellation from the PR person at a very large arena venue. It was already booked there.

Granted Kanye is also a big name (and also a big liability), but what they had slated was an arena tour.

There is no connection between SNL and AI. From what I understand, only a few AI people (winners or not) have ever performed there. I defer to some more experienced people to say who besides David Cook has been on there. I know Daughtry has not.

I’ll be honest when I say I was very very surprised to see Cook performing last fall on SNL, and right around the time of the album drop at that – very primo PR for someone just starting out. Which makes me think it might’ve been a case of his management putting down big bucks to get him that (again, not sure of the logistics).

I would agree Daughtry would seem to be a good fit for SNL. Usually it happens when an artist has an album that’s about to drop. His last one dropped in the summer, when SNL was over.

I have no idea if this is true but there was talk on Daughtry’s official forum this time last year about how labels have to bid to get artists on SNL. Read through the whole thread to see the timeline going back to how a poster there contacted the RCA mod who handles the page about how the SNL booking process works then to later when he posts something himself.

Yeah, that’s true I think. Labels/Agents all pitch to get their artists on SNL, and then SNL picks who they want. No money exchanges hands or anything like that. There is no guarantee anyone from idol will get on.

Sometimes they chose acts on majors, sometimes thy are indies. Generally though, they learn towards rock and edginess. But who knows, they also booked Ashlee Simpson right? Heh.

I would agree Daughtry would seem to be a good fit for SNL.

You know I never thought he was the SNL type. I don’t mean that as an insult. SNL is kinda weird with their choices, it s like you have to have the right kind of buzz or some hipster type cred.

ROFLMAO

American Idol: Glee Style

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hh6o0QKIk4E

4evrmomof4
October 5, 2009 at 12:28 pm
GaGa had said or tweeted, I believe, out a bit ago that she had heard some his album

Yes, she also said on Ryan’s show that she had talked with him and they were looking at working on something, but she wouldn’t say what. That was a while ago, though, and it was later that Adam said that they hadn’t been able to get together due to schedule conflicts. I’d love for him to open for her, I think it would expose him to a portion of the audience he’d hope to reach. I just have “Time for Miracles Roadblock” syndrome and won’t believe anything until I hear it from his mouth or tweets.

SNL is far from a standard gig for the Idols. Only four former Idols have ever appeared on the show (Kelly and Carrie both twice), and only Cook performed prior to the release of a debut album. Here are the performance dates and hosts:

February 7, 2004 – Clay Aiken (Megan Mullally)
February 12, 2005 – Kelly Clarkson (Jason Bateman)
March 24, 2007 - Carrie Underwood (Peyton Manning)
February 23, 2008 – Carrie Underwood (Tina Fey)
November 1, 2008 – David Cook (Ben Affleck)
March 14, 2009 - Kelly Clarkson (Tracy Morgan)

Kiss 108 is one of the most listened to stations in Boston and their news is somewhat reliable. If Matty in the Morning said it then there may be a a twinge of truth to it’ ¦..maybe

Eh. Those radio station gossip peeps nab their info from online gossip sites. I doubt that’s coming from an inside source separate from what’s already floating around the internet.

Don’t think it’s gonna happen. It’s strictly a rumor. Lady GaGa wants to go to bigger venues. Adam is not it yet. However, I think there is something else going on with Simon Fuller and I think it will be Robbie Williams in Europe first before the U.S. If not Robbie, then Rhydian, who is doing well for SONY in the UK. Robbie’s new album is coming out and is right up Adam’s alley. Robbie likes Adam, so it may be the match made in heaven. It may also expose Robbie to the U.S. which he so wants after touring Europe first.

I don’t think Adam will be allowed to be caricatured just yet and GaGa is a caricature, that maybe hot and current, but maybe not 2 years from now.

Speaking of opening acts, I’m seeing MUSE open up for U2 tomorrow night! Love them both, but first time to see Muse. Yay.

Mominthesuburbs: I’m going tooooo! to the Georgia Dome! It is so hard to work today. WE are leaving in the a.m. and I am so excited.

Reminder:

Don’t treat this thread like a fan thread. I’m deleting posts that link back to old material.

Please keep this thread focused on the current happenings of ALL Idols

I don’t think SNL is a American Idol sponsored slot. I think SNL will take whoever they want to take, rather than say it has to be the winner first. That being said, I’m hopeful for Adam but not assuming they’d ask him by any means.

CindyMRecently, SNL sent out a twitter asking who the peeps wanted to see on the show this fall. They were bombarded with tweets wanting Adam. If I saw Kris suggested in any of those tweets it was only saying Adam AND Kris. So, Adam could very well be on the show.

To get 2nd billing to Lady GaGa would give Adam more visibility than having his own show. As the new kid on the block, he is not getting co-billing with GaGa, one of the hottest tickets out there today.

Not really happy with this pairing (not saying the rumour is true) because I think Lady Gaga is losing the musical focus with how she performs right now. Instead of impressing everone with her musical abilities, which she can, she is taking focus away from them. The planet rings she wore on snl is a perfect example of this. On the other hand a tour with Gaga will definetely rip off the family friendly stamp from AI for Adam.

Hmm, there is a “shallowness” in the way Gaga does things lately, imo, and I think Adam has a weak spot for shallowness, to like the shiny surface a little too much.

Adam opening for Lady Gaga? Now that’s funny!

I thought SNL lost its significance in pop culture 10 years ago. Do musicians still actually fight hard to get on there? Does SNL still get good ratings? I can’t think of anyone I know off the top of my head who watches it with regularity.

Even if GaGa wanted Adam to replace Kanye, the timing is off. Adam needs to promote his new album via press and radio before hopping off to tour.

When was the GaGa/Kanye tour set to begin? Could Adam feasibly make his music video before this date? His own music video would be more important than a GaGa tour. I’m thinking about the VMA’s.

Could Adam line up dancers and a band to tour that quickly? What would the production number be if he hasn’t done a music video yet?

The more I think of it, the more unrealistic it sounds. Perhaps if it were GaGa’s March tour, but wasn’t that set up to be a solo tour?

Nope, I don’t see this happening.

I have no idea if this is true but there was talk on Daughtry’s official forum this time last year about how labels have to bid to get artists on SNL.

Interesting. The Deanna chick used the word “bid”, and then all the fangirls latched onto that and started bemoaning RCA for not putting down the cash for Daughtry’s bid… but when the RCA mod stepped in to clarify, he used the word “pitch”. Big difference in connotation, no? One implies cash, the other doesn’t.

Labels/Agents all pitch to get their artists on SNL, and then SNL picks who they want. No money exchanges hands or anything like that.

I agree with tinawina. No proof, but this is what I think. I doubt indies like Fleet Foxes and TV On The Radio would outbid the likes of multiplatinum Daughtry. (Btw, flove Fleet Foxes and TV On the Radio)

You know I never thought he was the SNL type. I don’t mean that as an insult. SNL is kinda weird with their choices, it s like you have to have the right kind of buzz or some hipster type cred.

I’ll be honest when I say I was very very surprised to see Cook performing last fall on SNL, and right around the time of the album drop at that ‘“ very primo PR for someone just starting out.

As a longtime SNL fan, I agree. There are exceptions, but generally their musical guests are very buzz-y, hipster type acts. That’s why I was so shocked DC got a slot. BUT, it didn’t escape my notice that his slot was a good 2-3 weeks before the album drop, which is actually NOT at all ideal actually. Beyonce released her album the same day, and she, being Beyonce, very understandably got the primo slot right before her album drop date. This tells me that RCA put in a pitch for late November-ish, and were at the mercy of SNL producers who gave DC the 11/1 date as a take it or leave it option. Of COURSE they took it. They’d be crazy not to. I love DC to death, but I honestly think the sole reason producers wanted DC for the last SNL before elections for the silly voting promos/jokes they could do. DC mentioned that there was some talk early on about doing skits, but that got scrapped when McCain was confirmed, and everything went crazy.

ETA: “I thought SNL lost its significance in pop culture 10 years ago. Do musicians still actually fight hard to get on there? Does SNL still get good ratings?”

It’s still a great gig for musicians. As recently as last year, Adele and Fleet Foxes blew up exponentially on iTunes after their performances.

ETA2: MJ, hope I stayed on topic– since folks were discussing Adam/Kris’ prospects for SNL and the bid/pitch process.

Don’t think it’s gonna happen. It’s strictly a rumor. Lady GaGa wants to go to bigger venues. Adam is not it yet. However, I think there is something else going on with Simon Fuller and I think it will be Robbie Williams in Europe first before the U.S. If not Robbie, then Rhydian, who is doing well for SONY in the UK. Robbie’s new album is coming out and is right up Adam’s alley. Robbie likes Adam, so it may be the match made in heaven. It may also expose Robbie to the U.S. which he so wants after touring Europe first.

That would be gold! Seriously, I think half the women I know have Robbie as their guilty pleasure (don’t know about the men though). But that would definitely open Europe up for Adam .

girlygirl
October 5, 2009 at 12:49 pm
I thought SNL lost its significance in pop culture 10 years ago. Do musicians still actually fight hard to get on there? Does SNL still get good ratings? I can’t think of anyone I know off the top of my head who watches it with regularity.

Ummm…since U2 and Lady Gaga have been the guests so far, I don’t think they’re doing too bad in finding people to appear on the show, do you??

Wow. Carrie is everywhere. Good for her.

Do Kris/Allison/Adam’s promotional activities begin when their albums drop? I am asking b/c aside from a few radio interviews, there hasn’t been anything for Kris, has there? Is Allison’s album being added to radio stations tomorrow? Is Kris’s? So does that mean promotion begins? Or is it a month before the album drops?

As far as SNL, there was a lot of buzz after the Madonna/GaGa bitch fight (not funny), followed by GaGa’s performances (very strong), so I think it has to still have some cred. I know whenever Justin Timberlake is on there, YouTube goes wild.

girlygirl
October 5, 2009 at 12:49 pm
I thought SNL lost its significance in pop culture 10 years ago. Do musicians still actually fight hard to get on there? Does SNL still get good ratings? I can’t think of anyone I know off the top of my head who watches it with regularity.

All three of my kids are in college and often have SNL parties on Saturday night-expecially if they have a early or away football game. They love it and knew when the new season started, who the host was, and who the musical guest was. Of course, all of us oldies still watch looking for “oh no.. Mr. Bill!!!”

I guess I should start watching SNL again, then, huh?

Tried to add this to my prior post regarding Saturday Night Live. This is ratings information for the premiere with Megan Fox and U2.

In late-night metered-market households Saturday night:

The 35th season premiere of SATURDAY NIGHT LIVE (4.6/11 in metered-market households), hosted by Megan Fox and featuring musical guest U2, dominated its time period.

SATURDAY NIGHT LIVE delivered the #1 rating of the night in the metered markets, topping all primetime telecasts on all the major networks. In fact, SNL outscored every Saturday primetime and late-night telecast on every major network over the past 16 weeks (since June 6).

However, it was down from last year’s Tina Fey/Sarah Palin fest.

From here: http://tvbythenumbers.com/2009/09/28/saturday-night-live-premiere-tv-ratings-way-down-vs-2008-with-no-sarah-palintina-fey/28636

SNL is far from a standard gig for the Idols. Only four former Idols have ever appeared on the show (Kelly and Carrie both twice), and only Cook has performed prior to the release of a debut album. Here are the performance dates and hosts:

February 7, 2004 ‘“ Clay Aiken (Megan Mullally)
February 12, 2005 ‘“ Kelly Clarkson (Jason Bateman)
March 24, 2007 – Carrie Underwood (Peyton Manning)
February 23, 2008 ‘“ Carrie Underwood (Tina Fey)
November 1, 2008 ‘“ David Cook (Ben Affleck)
March 14, 2009 – Kelly Clarkson (Tracy Morgan)

Just speculating off the top of my head as to David Cook’s attractiveness to SNL at the time: It was a big transitional election year. There were a number of opinion articles that were making cultural comparisons between the edgier David Cook winning in a “surprise” vote over the safer Archie on such a middle America show like Idol and the possible election of Barack Obama to the presidency. Even in the promos with David, they played off of the voting aspect of Idol. Plus, there were a number of political figures who had been on TV talking about how they had liked and voted for Cook, including Jenna and Laura Bush. We later heard that Hillary Clinton was a fan. We also got the “cougar” tie-in which is an on-going schtick with SNL. (Surprised they didn’t take advantage of it … which would’ve been to David’s utter embarrassment.) David had also been on Oprah. So … I think it was just a confluence of events that made him very current to what was going on. Remember David’s appearance was on Nov. 1, just three days before the election and the McCains also appeared as well as Tina Fey playing Sarah Palin.

I hope this isnt OT but I watched P. Didd’ys Starmaker last nite and Kimberly Caldwell is the host, WTF has she done with her face, she looked like a pumpkin. Isnt she to young to have face work done?

I thought SNL lost its significance in pop culture 10 years ago. Do musicians still actually fight hard to get on there? Does SNL still get good ratings? I can’t think of anyone I know off the top of my head who watches it with regularity.

Um, what? Last year during the elections it made national headlines just about every week as the major political candidates made appearances. The sketches were repeated on all the morning news shows and Yahoo!, MSN, Google, etc. would link to them from their homepages.

News of a new Cook concert tweeted to DCO:

NEW! DAVID COOK TOUR DATE! NOV-8 (SUN) The Palladium Ballroom (Dallas, TX) | Presale 10/8 10 AM CDT
http://bit.ly/3IvHag
@thedavidcook

I guess the venue holds 3300.

However, it was down from last year’s Tina Fey/Sarah Palin fest.

Ah, the good ole days. That was epic.

kris seems to be lined up for a bunch of promotional appearance — aside from the radio station appearances, he has the napa thing, the breast cancer thing, GMA, now the fray thing….what about Allison? And I’m curious to see what RCA/19 does with Adam — no appearances announced to date other than GMA…i wonder whether they plan on having him do the same sort of stuff than kris is doing, and if not, what the heck do they plan on him doing

Adam opening for Robbie Williams? YES YES YES!!!

I thought SNL lost its significance in pop culture 10 years ago. Do musicians still actually fight hard to get on there? Does SNL still get good ratings? I can’t think of anyone I know off the top of my head who watches it with regularity.

SNL hasn’t been very good this season, and the ratings (especially since it airs late at night on a Saturday) are hardly huge, but there is still a lot of pop-buzz around SNL – just look at monday morning internet sites talking about the skits and guests. Timberlake is huge on it, so that’s something, in terms of having a wider appeal to younger audiences. I think a lot more people “watch it” on the web after, rather than at 11:30 on Saturday.

The fact that there is nothing at all scheduled for Adam is interesting. Makes me think he’ll be opening for someone but it’s just not announced yet. If not, I think we’d be seeing more promotion like Kris.

i wonder whether they plan on having him do the same sort of stuff than kris is doing, and if not, what the heck do they plan on him doing

Maybe they are planing to launch him off in a space chuttle to planet fierce?

For cultural significance and international appeal, I think SNL is right up there with American Idol.

I wanted to see Muse SO BADLY’ ¦we got Snow Patrol instead

How can you NOT love Snow Patrol?

I like Snow Patrol, have one of their albums, and they put on a very good set. But MUSE…I love Muse. Of course, I was there for U2.

kris seems to be lined up for a bunch of promotional appearance ‘” aside from the radio station appearances, he has the napa thing, the breast cancer thing, GMA, now the fray thing’ ¦.what about Allison? And I’m curious to see what RCA/19 does with Adam ‘” no appearances announced to date other than GMA’ ¦i wonder whether they plan on having him do the same sort of stuff than kris is doing, and if not, what the heck do they plan on him doing

Yes, I’m also wondering about:

* Allison PR to promote the new single. Anything this week?

* Adam PR ops. I’m still guessing this will all come later in the month, when the album is done and he can devote full time to it, and then into November. There has to be some stuff lined up, I’m guessing, or at least in the works. Adamstorm, anyone?

At Kelly concert yesterday it was the start of the pre-sow party, you need to buy VIP tickets to attended. Heres a quick run from a Kelly fan

It was a very intimate setting, they had free food and drinks, and we waited around for about 25 minutes before the band came in to get ready. Then Kelly walked in and sat down. She was very chatty and happy to be there The first song she did was “All of Me” – an unreleased track that she dedicated to her Mom. She says it’s to sort of make up for all of the crap her Mom gets over “Because of You”, it’s a very nice song – and I guess she wrote it with the guy who wrote “Godspeed” with the Dixie Chicks. The second song was a Patty Griffin cover called “Tomorrow Night”. Amazingly – she had pretty much her full band with her – no backing vocals or horns, but pretty much everybody else. They were really packed in.

Slezak reviews Allison’s song

http://music-mix.ew.com/2009/10/05/allison-iraheta-friday-ill-be-over-you/

ETA: I love her hair in the picture with this article.

Slezak reviews Allison’s song

Do I even need to read it before I know what it says, lol?

i wonder whether they plan on having him do the same sort of stuff than kris is doing, and if not, what the heck do they plan on him doing

It is so frustrating not hearing anything scheduled or announced for Adam. Kris had many gigs scheduled and announced way in advance to promote his single. But then again, he is the winner, so perhaps it is another part of the winner’s package. At this rate, one might think Adam’s single is not even being released,

Has anyone heard anything about the songs Aimee and Ferras wrote? Were they for Adam? If so, it’s interesting that they are open for more songs this late in the recording process, makes me think they will spend at least 2 more weeks locked up in the studio.

Slezak reviews Allison’s song

Do I even need to read it before I know what it says, lol?

I haven’t read it yet, but since he absolutely loved Kris’s single, I can imagine what he said about Allison’s.

IMO, her single sounds like it is geared to teens.

Slezak reviews Allison’s song

Do I even need to read it before I know what it says, lol?

LOL! Yes – just a guess – he loves it better than anything ever created in the whole wide world, including LLWD, which is a close second

I hope this isnt OT but I watched P. Didd’ys Starmaker last nite and Kimberly Caldwell is the host, WTF has she done with her face, she looked like a pumpkin. Isnt she to young to have face work done?

Not watching that show, but I saw a recent twitpic from her Twitter, and yeah… her face looked a little pumpkin-esque (LOL, welcoming Fall?). I was thinking it was a combo of the weird make-up job, a bad tan, and odd lighting, but if she looked bad on video too. Hmm.

The fact that there is nothing at all scheduled for Adam is interesting. Makes me think he’ll be opening for someone but it’s just not announced yet. If not, I think we’d be seeing more promotion like Kris.

Even though Cook had a song out by this time last year I don’t remember anything scheduled for him. (there was just a concert at HRC for the David Wright charity foundation, but that wasn’t really promo or anything)
I expect to see Kris appearing in many of those radio concerts during December, that’s how Jive works, but RCA not so much. The difference really is in the label.
I don’t know, I can’t imagine him going on tour in November.

The fact that there is nothing at all scheduled for Adam is interesting.

Totally throwing him under the bus. Thanks a lot, RCA.

Slezak loves it. I like this part of the review:

Having recently reviewed the unspeakably awful new disc from Selena Gomez (and having also drawn the short-straw assignment of Demi Lovato’s 2008 piffle Don’t Forget), I’m tragically familiar with what I can only guess is a major-label edict that teenage artists be brainwashed into thinking that rock & roll dates only as far back as Avril Lavigne’s ‘Complicated.’ 

Yes, Selena is unspeakably awful. From what I’ve heard, I have to agree that Demi is only marginally better. That said, Disney faux rock only wishes it has songs as good as Complicated. I floved that song (granted… I was a teenager when that was released, but the right demographic at the time, gimme a break !) I also maintain that Avril has a great voice, if you’ve ever heard her acoustic.

Slezak puts Alli in 8th place on AI. Surprised Slezak would pull such a faux paux for Allison’s 4th place departure. He loved it. I’m okay with it – really radio friendly and up most teen’s alley.

smokeyvera
October 5, 2009 at 1:31 pm
Slezak puts Alli in 8th place on AI. Surprised Slezak would pull such a faux paux for Allison’s 4th place departure.

No he doesn’t, he says:

Thus, it’s with a sigh of relief that I can say Allison’s debut single, ‘Friday I’ll Be Over U’  (the first 2:20 of which is streaming at PopEater) is the real deal, an aggressively jaunty kiss-off track that juxtaposes genuine, hard-edged attitude from Idol’s season 8 fourth-place finisher with a chorus as unapologetically addictive as Grape Bubble Yum.

That explains a lot, doesn’t it? Slezak is going to put Iraheta’s single on repeat. Can you imagine what that would do to your brain?

An hour of that and you would imagine people across America rolling down their car windows to sing along with some no-name Idol wannabee’s first “hit” single.

It is so frustrating not hearing anything scheduled or announced for Adam. Kris had many gigs scheduled and announced way in advance to promote his single. But then again, he is the winner, so perhaps it is another part of the winner’s package. At this rate, one might think Adam’s single is not even being released,

This is frustrating but Adam and Kris are really signed to different labels (Even though those labels have the same parent company) Jive and RCA handle there PR,Advertising, and Promoting differently. Notice Allison is with Jive and has had a similar roll out as Kris.

That explains a lot, doesn’t it? Slezak is going to put Iraheta’s single on repeat. Can you imagine what that would do to your brain?

An hour of that and you would imagine people across America rolling down their car windows to sing along with some no-name Idol wannabee’s first ‘hit’  single.

I guess when Slezak is in his car with his window down, he sings to Kris’s song, and when he is doing anything else, he is listening to Allison’s on his ipod.

ETA: When Adam’s comes out (if ever), he will be listening to it while having sex.

I guess when Slezak is in his car with his window down, he sings to Kris’s song, and when he is doing anything else, he is listening to Allison’s on his ipod.

This! ROFLMAO!

ETA: When Adam’s comes out (if ever), he will be listening to it while having sex.

EXACTLY!

An hour of that and you would imagine people across America rolling down their car windows to sing along with some no-name Idol wannabee’s first ‘hit’  single.

He surely did.

“Right from the opening ‘Oh yeah,’  you can tell Allison’s having a great time dragging her lie-telling crush back to the customer-service desk for a full-money refund, and the age-appropriate lyrics (‘ Got my heart by tellin’ lies/ You weren’t what you advertised’ ) seem designed to spark mass sing-alongs with teenage girls (both inner and actual) across the nation.”

Not to diss ‘Friday’, I really like that song, but can Slezak come up with some new compliment instead of ‘national sing-along’?

But if this is real and he agrees to tour with LG, I sure hope he gets co-billing ‘” even if he performs first.

I’m not believing this tour rumor, but if it were to happen, I don’t think there’s any way he’d be called anything other than the opening act. Lady Gaga has already proven herself to be a successful recording artist, Adam has not. Currently, she appeals to a much broader cross-section of people. In an arena, she’d be the ticket draw, not the new guy.

Me too. I only hope it won’t be too inappropriate to take my 12 year daughter to it.

I’m guessing (based on Adam pushing the boundries at family friendly AI tour) that an Adam solo tour won’t be appropriate for anyone under high school age LOL.

Interesting. The Deanna chick used the word ‘bid’ , and then all the fangirls latched onto that and started bemoaning RCA for not putting down the cash for Daughtry’s bid’ ¦ but when the RCA mod stepped in to clarify, he used the word ‘pitch’ . Big difference in connotation, no? One implies cash, the other doesn’t.

Often, AI fansites contain misrepresentations, exagerations and outright delusions presented as fact. I have yet to see an AI fansite that does not require a huge salt-lick.

Well, I was actually surprised that Slezak wasn’t as OTT in love with Allison’s first single as I expected. Of course he loved it, but he was actually rational about it.

saga: Has anyone heard anything about the songs Aimee and Ferras wrote? Were they for Adam? If so, it’s interesting that they are open for more songs this late in the recording process, makes me think they will spend at least 2 more weeks locked up in the studio

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Aimee tweeted this yesterday:

@OhFerras So I got all emotional listening to our ballad again today. I love it like crazy. I am sending u a DM of an idea i had. miss you!! about 20 hours ago from web in reply to OhFerras

So, one of their songs is a ballad. Adam should have about 2 more weeks in the studio before he’s done recording because he said that recording would take 4 weeks after the tour. Tour ended 9/15 — and he did the Ford event before starting to record. So recording should be done about 10/18 or so.

(and for that note, what can we do to get Adam on SNL? Him peforming in November would be siiiicck How did David Cook get the gig last year?)

My guess is Simon Fuller.

I personally am not into Radio music.. have no idea really except when my teenage daughters make me put it on!!! Allisons song sounds like something they would have liked in there younger teenage years… But having said that I don’t really expect to like to much any of the singles that are comming from the idols.. Expect Adam’s maybe not sure really depends I am not sure he even sings raido friendly music or if he has.. maybe come home was raido friendly.. not sure but I do love the mans voice!!! And I wish they would hurry up already so I can find out!!

LOL on Slezak. Yes, he lurrrrved it. If he hadn’t, he would have someone else write the review. Srsly. I think his mom should write Adam’s review. Heh.

I’m sure that RCA has Adam’s rollout all planned and ready to go. They are just not telling us yet. (The Rats!!!) But I do think we are being naive if we think that Adam’s single won’t be popish, too. And it probably won’t fall under the heading of Great Art either. But hopefully, it will be good and radio-friendly. The first single has to appeal to a wide listening audience and get lots of airplay to get him outside of the AI bubble. Keep your fingers crossed.

I’m not at all worried about Adam’s promos. He knew way in advance about the RS cover shoot and article, but never mentioned a peep. He didn’t mention the video shoot this weekend ahead of time either. I just remember after the results show, a reporter asked him if he had any offers and he smiled and said, “A few, here and there!” knowing he already had the RS issue. I think he has alot of things here and there that he won’t tell us about until the time. AND, they are probably big like the RS issue.

This tells me that RCA put in a pitch for late November-ish, and were at the mercy of SNL producers who gave DC the 11/1 date as a take it or leave it option. Of COURSE they took it. They’d be crazy not to. I love DC to death, but I honestly think the sole reason producers wanted DC for the last SNL before elections for the silly voting promos/jokes they could do. DC mentioned that there was some talk early on about doing skits, but that got scrapped when McCain was confirmed, and everything went crazy.

Not gonna lie, when I heard he got the gig I let out a huge WTF? Even when Clay got on there it was a few months into his album release and he had some big sales. Yep I too love him to death but to be honest the Daughtry fan in me was a little irked because IMO Daughtry was long overdue. In fact I’ll still be pissed if they aren’t on this season.

Even though Cook had a song out by this time last year I don’t remember anything scheduled for him. (there was just a concert at HRC for the David Wright charity foundation, but that wasn’t really promo or anything)

Right up until, I think the 14th we didn’t know much about promo and on October 14th we got the news about SNL then stuff started trickling in from there on.

Expect Adam’s maybe not sure really depends I am not sure he even sings raido friendly music or if he has.. maybe come home was raido friendly.. not sure but I do love the mans voice!!!

How Adam performed on AI and his studio recordings were very different. He definitely has a radio friendly voice. Beautiful, absolutely beautiful.

I’m sure that RCA has Adam’s rollout all planned and ready to go.

I’m hella curious about how the TFM song and 2012 movie promos will factor into the album promos. Any updates on the rumor mill about which song (TFM or the album single) is to be released first? Since the video for TFM was shot already, I’d think TFM, but wondering if others know more.

Do not open if YMA photos get you upset:

http://www.ainow.org/index.php/tidbits/1031-adam-lambert-in-octobers-glamour-magazine-pic

hwc
October 5, 2009 at 1:38 pm
That explains a lot, doesn’t it? Slezak is going to put Iraheta’s single on repeat. Can you imagine what that would do to your brain?

An hour of that and you would imagine people across America rolling down their car windows to sing along with some no-name Idol wannabee’s first ‘hit’  single.

You Really crack me up. Slezak is big on the sing-alongs, with car windows down or up ?! LOL

But I do think we are being naive if we think that Adam’s single won’t be popish, too. And it probably won’t fall under the heading of Great Art either.

I agree besides Adam will have the 2012 single “Time for Miracles” as the more traditional Rock anthem type of song.

New Kris Allen promotional appearance

http://idolforums.com/index.php?showtopic=629794

101.9fm THE MIX presents Miracle Near State Street 11 on Friday, December 4 at a new location this year – The Auditorium Theatre. This year’s line-up features The Fray and 2009 American Idol winner Kris Allen.

Tickets go on sale this Saturday, October 10, at 11 A.M. through Ticketmaster.

Plus, Mix Insiders can get in on a special pre-sale offer on Friday, October 9! If you’re not a MIX Insider, sign up today!

A portion of the proceeds will benefit La Rabida Children’s Hospital.

Miracle Near State Street 11 is sponsored by Jewel Osco and Miller Lite.

agree beside Adam will have the 2012 single ‘Time for Miracles’  as the more traditional Rock anthem type of song.

Yep. That’s the good thing about TFM. We already know it is a rock ballad so if he comes out with a pop for the first single, it won’t matter much to the general public when they hear TFM (if that’s the type of singing they are expecting).

Regarding Lady Gaga, she doesn’t need someone to open for her. She actually needs someone to perform with her. Based on this information from MTV News, Lady Gaga needs to get someone to tour with her or the how show won’t work. Here is a description of the set construction and theme.

MTV News reports that Gaga went in-depth about the tour’s stage layout in a pair of recent radio interviews with Hot AC KMYI (Star 94.1)/San Diego and CHR KLUC/Las Vegas. “The stage is called a traverse,” she said. “It’s something that we designed together. Instead of being on just one end of the arena, the stage traverses the entire arena. It’s not really in-the-round; it’s more of a runway. … [It extends] from one end to the other so the audience can see everywhere from 360, but it’s like a rectangular runway shape.”

“We’re on each end of the stage, and I want to get to where Kanye is, which is ‘the fame,’” she added. “He wants to get where I am, which is home and humble beginnings. For the whole show, we are battling each other [for their positions]. It’s been a really incredible creative experience.”

The Fame Kills tour had been slated to kick off November 10 in Phoenix and end up in Dallas on January 24, 2010.

I can’t see how Adam fits that scenerio unless Lady Gaga plays Kanye’s part. And there are only a handful of people who could fill that Fame role and most have their own tours already.

About Kris’ upcoming promotion appearances, I wounder if he will be performing by himself or with a band? What do you think?

Even though Cook had a song out by this time last year I don’t remember anything scheduled for him. (there was just a concert at HRC for the David Wright charity foundation, but that wasn’t really promo or anything)

Right up until, I think the 14th we didn’t know much about promo and on October 14th we got the news about SNL then stuff started trickling in from there on.

Yup, it was irritating as hell at the time, but turned out to be well worth the wait. RCA is not for the faint of heart.

Yep. That’s the good thing about TFM. We already know it is a rock ballad so if he comes out with a pop for the first single, it won’t matter much to the general public when they hear TFM (if that’s the type of singing they are expecting).

I am not sure how anyone could expect a certain type of music from Adam.. I am totally in the Dark as to what to expect.. lol.. however I think it is possible to expect the record company to want a certain type of music to come out as his first single

Q3
Well, I was actually surprised that Slezak wasn’t as OTT in love with Allison’s first single as I expected. Of course he loved it, but he was actually rational about it.

I know, right. Totally surprised me. Especially given the way he fawned over Kris’s single. I’m thinking his Allison love on the show has been tempered just wee bit.

I’m finding it fascinating to watch these roll outs. Someone said that both Kris and Allison’s roll outs are being done similarly since they are with Jive. Does that mean that Allison is already scheduled to sing at lots of small venues like Kris and I’ve just missed the announcement?

I’m curious to see how RCA does it. Based on the fact that we’ve gotten nothing about Adam so far, I’m thinking they’re going to dump all of their promotion into TV and radio interviews and advertisements in a concentrated time frame right as it is released. Which makes more sense to me as having the single available for sale right away keeps you from losing as many sales to internet free downloads. Although Jive’s way does allow word of mouth to build before the release.

Danny is with RCA too, right? Any word on his album release date? I’m wondering if they’re trying to get it out before Christmas.

Danny is with RCA too, right? Any word on his album release date? I’m wondering if they’re trying to get it out before Christmas.

Danny is with RCA Nashville. I seem to recall he said his album is coming out in March, but that he will have a single out before Christmas.

(and for that note, what can we do to get Adam on SNL? Him peforming in November would be siiiicck How did David Cook get the gig last year?)

My guess is Simon Fuller.

But what about what Trina said above? Why has Daughtry never shown up on there if Fuller had that kind of pull? Because he could have shown up at any time in 2007-2008 as his album became a multi-platinum juggernaut. I recall how pissed some Daughtry fans were last year that Cook got the SNL appearance before his album even dropped and Daughtry had not.

As WTF as Cook’s scoring the gig on SNL was, I tend to believe that SNL picks who they want. They have always had the rep (ever since I was a wee young one) to feature artists from that had buzz — whether they were indie types (like Adele and Fleet Foxes) or whether they were the behemoths of pop music (U2, Beyonce, Coldplay). Whatever their ratings may be, I think many artists today would consider appearing on SNL quite the honor or milestone in their careers.

IMO Daughtry was long overdue. In fact I’ll still be pissed if they aren’t on this season.

You think they still have a shot? I’d think if anything, they might have gotten one for the album drop? Maybe if one of the next singles blows up huge?

I can’t see how Adam fits that scenerio unless Lady Gaga plays Kanye’s part. And there are only a handful of people who could fill that Fame role and most have their own tours already.

Wouldn’t the venues have already looked for other acts to fill those concert dates? They’re already refunding money. I think they’d just scrap the tour set and proceed with a solo tour like she said. I’d love Adam to open for her, he’s not established enough to co-headline.

“I have no idea if this is true but there was talk on Daughtry’s official forum this time last year about how labels have to bid to get artists on SNL”

I also have no idea if this is true but I def know appearances on MTV Video Awards are paid for. I heard P Diddy say that JayZ paid $250K to be the closing act on the show.

Nobody from Idol is ever considered “cool” so it’s hard to imagine Cook was chosen w/o some $ changing hands.

FMBQ still lists both Kris and Adam going for radio adds Monday 10/12. The Kris date has been confirmed but I can’t find this 10/12 date for Adam anywhere else. Adam is also the only artist on the entire list without a song title.

FMBQ CHR Available for Airplay:

10/12 Mainstream
Adam Lambert (RCA/RMG)
Kris Allen “Live Like We’re Dying” (Jive/JLG)

If this is a mistake, it is odd that it has been on the site since 9/14/09. It would be odd to have both Kris and Adam’s singles go for radio adds on the same day. And even odder to go for Adam’s mainstream radio adds on the 12th, since the song hasn’t even been even announced — forget about heard.

When was the GaGa/Kanye tour set to begin?

mid November…so hardly feasible.

IMO Daughtry was long overdue. In fact I’ll still be pissed if they aren’t on this season.

I have absolutely no idea how they pick who goes on SNL, but IMO, Cook was asked because he had an engaging personality, and Daughtry did not. Remember, JMO.

Wasn’t there a rumour that a new promo for 2012 will be aired tonight including TFM? I know, I know, we don’t wanna go there again but has anyone heard anything new about it?

I also have no idea if this is true but I def know appearances on MTV Video Awards are paid for. I heard P Diddy say that JayZ paid $250K to be the closing act on the show.

Wow. Well, it may well have paid off for him. I believe I saw first week sales of JayZ’s new album were over 400K. It’s too bad we can’t tell how many extra were because of his appearance.

Danny is with RCA Nashville. I seem to recall he said his album is coming out in March, but that he will have a single out before Christmas.

That’s pretty late. They’ve lost all the Season 8 buzz by then and everyone has attatched to the Season 9 folks. Although the added time allows them to put out a better product, it’s hard to believe it’d be worth it in lost sales given people’s short attention span. As Kris said we’re an ADD nation.

“I have absolutely no idea how they pick who goes on SNL, but IMO, Cook was asked because he had an engaging personality, and Daughtry did not. Remember, JMO.”

I don’t work for SNl but I will guess 100% that they don’t book acts based on their personalities. Maybe Daughtry was selling so many albums Fuller didn’t need to fork over the payola. Or SNL considered Daughtry’s music too bland. But it’s not like Cook is on the cutting edge of rock yet either. Cook’s coronation single was doing well. Maybe SNL booked him because of Idol winner’s buzz.

You think they still have a shot? I’d think if anything, they might have gotten one for the album drop? Maybe if one of the next singles blows up huge?

I have no faith in RCA *grumble* When their album dropped it was in July and SNL was on summer hiatus. But yeah if Life After You blows up then maybe I can see them trying. I get the logistics behind it all but I also think Daughtry should have been on the year the debut dropped. What me still bitter?? LOL

I can’t find the link right now (maybe someone can) but there was an article during the S5 time about how much a guest spot in this or that show costs. I believe a Regis and Kelly appearance is 10K or something like that. This was during the S5 bloodbath where the favorite fanwar was who’s Idol got more promos LOL.

I don’t work for SNl but I will guess 100% that they don’t book acts based on their personalities. Maybe Daughtry was selling so many albums Fuller didn’t need to fork over the payola.

I guess you are talking about just a guest music group and one song and no acting bits. Then Kris may have a really good shot at going on SNL, which he will most get the gig over Adam.

Q3: And even odder to go for Adam’s mainstream radio adds on the 12th, since the song hasn’t even been even announced ‘” forget about heard.

Really? Do all artists put the songs out on the web and have radio spins before the official radio add dates? To my completely uneducated on the subject logic, it seems that the radio add date would be the first time a single is available to be listened to.

Since Kris’s single is getting spins but it hasn’t reached the radio add date, what meaning does the date really have??? Are some stations not allowed to play it before Jive has put it on the list? If not, how come other stations are allowed to play it? I’m so confused here.

Huh, stange world, one would think they’d pay the artist to come on their show not the other way around.

Danny is with RCA Nashville. I seem to recall he said his album is coming out in March, but that he will have a single out before Christmas.

That’s pretty late. They’ve lost all the Season 8 buzz by then and everyone has attatched to the Season 9 folks. Although the added time allows them to put out a better product, it’s hard to believe it’d be worth it in lost sales given people’s short attention span. As Kris said we’re an ADD nation.

Well, Elliott’s first album followed this schedule but even a little worse — no real single until *after* Christmas and then the album in March. And it went gold-plus with a platinum-plus single and gold in Japan as well — a very very good showing for a white boy singing R&B on an indie label who’d finished third on AI.

So while the proposed schedule for Danny may not be the easiest in the world, it isn’t necessarily the kiss of death either.

Then Kris may have a really good shot at going on SNL, which he will most get the gig over Adam.

Isn’t it part of the winner’s deal to get *most* gigs over Adam? And they have the same management, right? … Even though they’re with different labels, isn’t it widely believed that there’s some kind of agreement that the winner gets certain gigs and the runner-up doesn’t, the winner gets certain gigs before the runner-up gets them, and maybe that the winner gets first refusal of stuff before the runner-up gets a shot? Or am I hallucinating again?

Unless Robbie Williams gets over his stage fright fairly soon, he won’t be touring for a while. He’s got a one-off gig at the Roundhouse in London on 20th Oct for the Electric Proms, but that’s it. It’s getting screened around 200 countries in Europe across cinemas. If that gets received well, then who knows? It may prompt him to consider touring again, but I wouldn’t bank on a tour anytime soon, with or without Adam.

As for Adam’s single, he has said it will be out mid-October, so I would expect some press from RCA next week paving the way for release w/c 19th.

I don’t work for SNl but I will guess 100% that they don’t book acts based on their personalities. Maybe Daughtry was selling so many albums Fuller didn’t need to fork over the payola. Or SNL considered Daughtry’s music too bland. But it’s not like Cook is on the cutting edge of rock yet either. Cook’s coronation single was doing well. Maybe SNL booked him because of Idol winner’s buzz.

Agree that the above speculations are all possible, and that we’ll likely never know for sure if there’s payola on SNL . Maybe DC was asked because he just happened to fit their agenda at that moment. Perhaps he was somehow relevant at the time.

I can’t find the link right now (maybe someone can) but there was an article during the S5 time about how much a guest spot in this or that show costs. I believe a Regis and Kelly appearance is 10K or something like that. This was during the S5 bloodbath where the favorite fanwar was who’s Idol got more promos LOL.

Seriously? Labels pay for talk show gigs too? I’m still not that convinced labels have to pay for SNL slots, but I’d consider the possibility since it’s such a great gig, but Regis, really? Does AI charge musicians for guest slots too? Cuz that’s excellent exposure for a lot of artists.

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I can’t find the link right now (maybe someone can) but there was an article during the S5 time about how much a guest spot in this or that show costs. I believe a Regis and Kelly appearance is 10K or something like that.

I’m assuming just anyone can’t call up and pay for a guest spot so there has to be more to it than that. Also, it’s hard to believe they’d make everyone pay as some people are highly sought after. Frex, if Barbara Streisand decided that she wanted to do a morning show to promote her album, I would expect them to fight over her, not ask her to pay. I would expect that whether a guest has to pay or not be dependent on their perceived audience draw.

Daughtry will have a chance at an SNL gig if there is a week they can do it that nobody bigger (Coldplay, U2, Kanye, etc) wants. I really think who SNL gets is who Lorne Michaels wants. He is a mercurial and kinda nutty media giant. He likes Alec Baldwin, so Alec Baldwin hosts constantly and gets a lead role on 30 Rock. He likes Tina Fey, so she can come back any time she wants.

Given the variety of acts who’ve filled the SNL musical slot over the years, I don’t see any reason Daughtry can’t do the show. (Bon Jovi and Bryan Adams have been there. Not to mention Vanilla Ice and Michael Bolton, who kind of blow the “coolness factor” theory.)

So far this year, they’ve scheduled U2, Lady Gaga, Regina Spektor and Shakira. I don’t see anything they have in common, except they’re all in the music biz and they have albums out at vaguely the right time (in the calendar year 2009) so presumably their handlers were pitching them like crazy.

Agree that the above speculations are all possible, and that we’ll likely never know for sure if there’s payola on SNL

The Payola on SNL rumor was started by some bitter Daughtry fans. I’d bet my house it isn’t true.

From Alli’s thread:

bridgette12
October 5, 2009 at 1:53 pm
I hope to God that Adam’s single is not described as catchy. Kris song is catchy. Allison song is catchy. I don’t think either song is very good. Maybe I am from a different generation, but a song described as catchy is not exactly an glowing endorsement.

WORD! Not too long ago a guy tweeted about Adam’s single and he said it’s pretty catchy. I literally felt let down right away. If all people get to say about Adam’s single is catchy, I know I will be disappointed.

I’m sure that RCA has Adam’s rollout all planned and ready to go. They are just not telling us yet. (The Rats!!!) But I do think we are being naive if we think that Adam’s single won’t be popish, too. And it probably won’t fall under the heading of Great Art either. But hopefully, it will be good and radio-friendly. The first single has to appeal to a wide listening audience and get lots of airplay to get him outside of the AI bubble. Keep your fingers crossed.

I tend to agree – RCA has stuff planned for him, but they’re just staying quiet about it until later in the month to time it better with the whole promo package. I think we’re all just getting antsy for ANY kind of news (patience is a virtue, patience is a virtue…)

And yes, the first single (and many of his songs) will be in that electronic, dance, sexy vibe (with a bit of a throwback rock sound too). He’s said it numerous times in interviews, and that is completely what I’m expecting (and in fact hoping for).

If this is a mistake, it is odd that it has been on the site since 9/14/09. It would be odd to have both Kris and Adam’s singles go for radio adds on the same day. And even odder to go for Adam’s mainstream radio adds on the 12th, since the song hasn’t even been even announced ‘” forget about heard.

Maybe it’s Time For Miracles to go along with the video they already shot?

Since Kris’s single is getting spins but it hasn’t reached the radio add date, what meaning does the date really have??? Are some stations not allowed to play it before Jive has put it on the list? If not, how come other stations are allowed to play it? I’m so confused here.

This may be a question of terminology. A “spin” means the station in question has played the song. An “add” means that the station in question has actually included it on their playlist. Plenty of singles are released, don’t get particularly good feedback, and then don’t become a regular part of a station’s playlist.

An adds date is more about the promotional push by the label than anything else. It’s advantageous for a song to get a lot of stations to start spinning it at the same time, because then its spincrease looks very good, and that can have a domino effect.

But making a song available to radio happens before the adds date, and having said song be played on any given station may happen well after.

As for people getting on SNL, I don’t think it would be that odd for Daughtry to get a slot. NLOTH dropped in March. The Fame was released last August. Even Far was released in June. Clearly, Daughtry isn’t U2, but I’d say they are still bigger than Gaga. (Spektor gets the indie darling slot and is therefore less relevant to the discussion.)

I hope to God that Adam’s single is not described as catchy. Kris song is catchy. Allison song is catchy. I don’t think either song is very good. Maybe I am from a different generation, but a song described as catchy is not exactly an glowing endorsement.

Except that pop radio plays nothing but earworms. So while it may not be an endorsement for lots of listeners, it seems to be a sine qua non for major radio play. And major radio play may not be a sine qua non for big sales, but it sure as heck helps.

I think those are just the facts of life, aren’t they?

Yeah, I tend to think Lorne Michaels books who he wants. From everything I’ve seen you can’t book this gig yourself, but you’d be stupid not to take it when they come calling. I just got way over SNL a long long time ago…like when Belushi, Ackroyd and Murray left, although the Tina Fey/Palin stuff was hilarious. I don’t think the Tina Fey stuff was funny because they had any writers. Palin wrote the hilarity. Tina was just a mime.

Isn’t it part of the winner’s deal to get *most* gigs over Adam? And they have the same management, right? ‘ ¦ Even though they’re with different labels, isn’t it widely believed that there’s some kind of agreement that the winner gets certain gigs and the runner-up doesn’t, the winner gets certain gigs before the runner-up gets them,

Kris already got that after the finale. He was on many big shows, Leno, Ellen, Fallon, some morning shows, etc., that Adam never was on. I’m guessing that might also be the case after the tour since Kris has many things lined up (and already done), and Adam has had zero.

Lorne Michaels and SNL does not take money for their musical acts nor for their guest hosts. It’s always amazing how knollish people are that extra moneys or back room deals occur for Idols like Carrie, Kelly, David C et al. It could be that the booking agents wanted them. Shocking, I know.

I don’t work for SNl but I will guess 100% that they don’t book acts based on their personalities. Maybe Daughtry was selling so many albums Fuller didn’t need to fork over the payola. Or SNL considered Daughtry’s music too bland. But it’s not like Cook is on the cutting edge of rock yet either. Cook’s coronation single was doing well. Maybe SNL booked him because of Idol winner’s buzz.

I have no idea if there’s Payola involved with SNL. But, I do know that it’s someone’s job to be the musical act booker. And, they typically have a strategy. I always assumed Cook’s appearance was because having the AI winner on at that time worked really well with the election stuff they were trying to build. (But, that’s just a guess).

Even though they’re with different labels, isn’t it widely believed that there’s some kind of agreement that the winner gets certain gigs and the runner-up doesn’t, the winner gets certain gigs before the runner-up gets them, and maybe that the winner gets first refusal of stuff before the runner-up gets a shot?

I doubt this would apply with SNL. They clearly decide who they want and who they don’t. And, based on their history, I don’t think album sales have much to do with their choices. I’m sure there’s some quid pro quo with the labels here and there, but I’m dubious of a lot of these theories.

If SNL wants the AI winner, that’s who they’ll book. If they want the runner up, then they’ll book him. If they want neither, then they just won’t book them. Simon Fuller may think he’s the king of the world, but Lorne Michaels is beholden to no one.

Also, I don’t think SNL is the panacea of cd promo. Although they’ve seemed to help the exposure of certain acts, even more have appeared on that show never to be heard from again.

lucy
October 5, 2009 at 2:43 pm

Isn’t it part of the winner’s deal to get *most* gigs over Adam? And they have the same management, right? ‘ ¦ Even though they’re with different labels, isn’t it widely believed that there’s some kind of agreement that the winner gets certain gigs and the runner-up doesn’t, the winner gets certain gigs before the runner-up gets them, and maybe that the winner gets first refusal of stuff before the runner-up gets a shot? Or am I hallucinating again?

I think that’s true for the press events immediately after the show, they’re not signed at that point yet. Once they’re signed, I think it’s whoever wants to be booked. I’m sure if someone wants to book Adam, they’re not going to take Kris as a substitute or the other way around. It’s the real world now and while Kris may have certain obligations as the Idol winner, those booking talent don’t have those same obligations. When it comes down to it, their management will do everything to maximize their profit potential, whether or not either of their feelings gets hurt by the other doing a gig before them.

lucy: Isn’t it part of the winner’s deal to get *most* gigs over Adam? And they have the same management, right? ‘ ¦ Even though they’re with different labels, isn’t it widely believed that there’s some kind of agreement that the winner gets certain gigs and the runner-up doesn’t, the winner gets certain gigs before the runner-up gets them, and maybe that the winner gets first refusal of stuff before the runner-up gets a shot? Or am I hallucinating again?

There are a lot of appearances that are already scheduled for the winner of Idol — whoever that is. This year the winner’s appearances included Disney, Walmart, singing the Star Spangled Banner at the NBA game, the TV talk show circuit, and so on. There were also some Top Two appearances already scheduled: CBS Morning Show, Today Show, Ford concert and GMA concert. But once the tour is over, my understanding is that each artist is managed independently — and needs to compete with “the world”. In every past season, except Clay-Ruben, the Idol winner was most in demand and got the best appearance schedule.

The only major Adam appearance that I know of is GMA Fall Concert on 11/24/09. Kris will also have a GMA mini concert on 11/17/09. And, Tuesday, Nov. 3 it’s Carrie Underwood.

Isn’t it part of the winner’s deal to get *most* gigs over Adam? And they have the same management, right? ‘ ¦ Even though they’re with different labels, isn’t it widely believed that there’s some kind of agreement that the winner gets certain gigs and the runner-up doesn’t, the winner gets certain gigs before the runner-up gets them, and maybe that the winner gets first refusal of stuff before the runner-up gets a shot? Or am I hallucinating again?

I’m still betting this is a moot point now, wrt who gets more gigs. That was true right after the finale, with the typical winner’s treatment of promo spots. Now, they’re going their separate ways, and all bets are off. If media outlets want Adam over Kris, or if Adam’s PR team is pushing harder for certain spots, he will get them over Kris. JMO.

ETA: LOL! I guess I’m too slow – I see a few posts above just said pretty much what I did.

Isn’t it part of the winner’s deal to get *most* gigs over Adam? And they have the same management, right? ‘ ¦ Even though they’re with different labels, isn’t it widely believed that there’s some kind of agreement that the winner gets certain gigs and the runner-up doesn’t, the winner gets certain gigs before the runner-up gets them, and maybe that the winner gets first refusal of stuff before the runner-up gets a shot? Or am I hallucinating again?

I wouldn’t be surprised if you read that somewhere, but I think it’s bunk.

Television shows are in the business to make money. They make money by putting people on their shows that they think people want to see. They aren’t going to all sign up for some agenda that AI has. What’s in it for them?

Besides, it is widely rumoured that Clay was able to get out of his 19M deal because 19M was kind of trying to pull stunts like that (trying to leverage offers to Clay to get them for Ruben). It was a breach of contract or some such law-ish thing. I think 19M learned their lesson back then. We haven’t seen any reports of things like that for years (and Idols release their albums whenever 19R feels like it regardless of how they finished so 19E isn’t so set up on ensuring a winner is treated like a winner).

I think what happens is that shows invite Idol winners on simply because they won television’s most popular show. That must mean they probably are popular themselves and that people will be interested in seeing what they are up to. The winner gets a few more offers than the runner-up because people like being associated with the winner rather than the, as Nike likes to put it, the first loser. Outside of the Idol bubble most Idols aren’t well known at all, so the winner has an advantage because at least he’s got a hook.

I think part of the reason David Cook got on SNL is because they had some gags planned linking the presidential election with AI which gets more votes than pesidential elections. They also had the two presidential candidates on that episode. Plus, maybe Lorne Michaels likes Cook or something. Maybe he also gave copies of his CD to every person on his Christmas gift list (j/k…we’ll likely never know why Cook was invited on the show, but I think it was for the jokes and music).

I believe a Regis and Kelly appearance is 10K or something like that.

I believe that is wrong. In fact, those shows have to pay people to come on them due to the union rules (they pay scale). Those shows need guests and they need guests people want to see. If they just become infomercials for artists, then they are going to crater in the ratings and get pulled. It’s a symbiotic relationship. Do booking agents and managers schmooze? Sure. Are gigs totally based on talent? I’d never claim that. But fundamentally, bookings are made in the best interest of the show.

Poor DC.

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I’m guessing that might also be the case after the tour since Kris has many things lined up (and already done), and Adam has had zero.

What has Kris had really that wasn’t promotion for the new single? I think it’s just different between RCA and Jive, that’s all. We’ll hear when they feel it’s the right time, not when we want it..damnit. The philosophies of the two record companies seem different between Kris and Adam in other ways too..Adam had promotional photo shoots done early on and a video has already been shot for TFM. Kris just had his photo shoot done, probably why the single cover is so generic, and hasn’t shot a video yet. Someone commented on David Cook’s itinerary after the tour, and the trickling out of information on gigs he had lined up at the time seemed to be about the same as Adam’s. Not a lot of info right away. He’s also with RCA.

Nothing necessarily wrong with a single being catchy. Helps people remember it, which then supposedly leads to them requesting it or buying it. Kris’ single has now gone over 600 spins, and a big reason for that is that it’s catchy.

Of course, catchy can quickly turn into pounded into the ground, when it’s played every-freakin’-where until you feel like you are gonna gouge your eyes out or kill someone if you hear it one more time…

Even though they’re with different labels, isn’t it widely believed that there’s some kind of agreement that the winner gets certain gigs and the runner-up doesn’t, the winner gets certain gigs before the runner-up gets them, and maybe that the winner gets first refusal of stuff before the runner-up gets a shot?

I doubt this would apply with SNL.

I agree, since Clay got SNL over Ruben. That said, I do remember folks talking about Clay wanting out of the 19M contract because of a conflict of interest in promoting the winner over him? Which is why I’m uber curious if Adam and Kris will both stay with 19 management. Have any other winner and runner pairs both signed with 19 management since Clay and Ruben…?

ETA: Kirsten comes to the rescue with details on the Clay management saga, per usual. I knew I didn’t dream that. Thanks for the info.

Poor DC.

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Diagnosis: Chronic Twitteritis. Dude, you’re at the doctor’s. Step away from the Twitter.

Have any other winner and runner pairs both signed with 19 management since Clay and Ruben’ ¦?

Blake and Jordin were both under 19M for a while (before Jordin moved out last year or was that this year?).

I always thought that guests were paid equity salary for guest spots on talk shows…something like $850. Usually PR teams get together with talk show bookers and work out dates to be beneficial to both sides….movie premiers, book published, albums, award nominations, etc.

A talk show is a win-win for both parties. The more high profile the guest the more viewers, the more market share, the more ad revenue in the future. A talk show can’t stand on its own merit without guests so I think that the idea that guests and acts pay to be on the shows doesn’t hold much water.

Same with shows like the vmas, etc. A good act will bring in the viewers which means the program can sell more expensive ad time. If this wasn’t the case some people who have lots of money but can’t sing a lick would just pay for air time and the airwaves would be inundated with very poor performances.

Currently hearing Come Back to Me on the radio…

I think it’s just going to take some time to hear the S8 singles. Waiting is the hardest part.

Regarding acts appearing on SNL — they do not pay to appear on SNL. But the Record labels often pay for some or all of the cost to bring the act, crew and all the equipment to NY, and to do the set up for the rehersal and the show — it’s expensive. Since SNL acts are usually promoting new product, this is classified as a marketing expense and paid for by the label — which means that the expenses are paid by the artist.

Note: I do not think that Daughtry fits SNL ratings goal — he does not have the right audience demos, but IF money was the reason that Daughtry has never appeared on SNL, it is probably because Chris Daughtry doesn’t think it is worth it.

Back in the early days of SNL, the musical acts increased ratings. But for the past ten years, when the ratings drop when SNL has a musical performance. For the most part, SNL now books acts that they think will bring in a younger audience — hence multiple appearances of the Back Street Boys on SNL. Something that would have been unthinkable when the show was “cool and edgy” in the 70′s.

Finally, even though SNL has had a number of people who book the acts — Lorne Michaels makes the decision about who appears on the show.

Besides, it is widely rumoured that Clay was able to get out of his 19M deal because 19M was kind of trying to pull stunts like that (trying to leverage offers to Clay to get them for Ruben). It was a breach of contract or some such law-ish thing. I think 19M learned their lesson back then. We haven’t seen any reports of things like that for years (and Idols release their albums whenever 19R feels like it regardless of how they finished so 19E isn’t so set up on ensuring a winner is treated like a winner).

I think I must just not have been paying attention to the tv gigs since this (very old) flap! … Probably won’t pay attention to the tv gigs again this year!

I always thought that guests were paid equity salary for guest spots on talk shows’ ¦something like $850.

I remember Justin Timberlake loose-lipped about the hosting gig being the best $5000 you’ll ever earn or something. But I think that’s for hosting. And hosts are BIG names. Who knows how much musical guests get. Probably a lot less.

sma11ie: I agree, since Clay got SNL over Ruben. That said, I do remember folks talking about Clay wanting out of the 19M contract because of a conflict of interest in promoting the winner over him? Which is why I’m uber curious if Adam and Kris will both stay with 19 management. Have any other winner and runner pairs both signed with 19 management since Clay and Ruben’ ¦?

We don’t know a lot about the 19 contracts, but we do know that they were changed after Season 2 — partly in response to what happened with Clay. And as far as Kris and Adam go, they seem to both be happen with 19. Adam has gone out of his way to say that he is being well treated and “generously” compensated. Maybe it’s all an act, but I don’t think Adam is that good an actor!! LOL!

Have any other winner and runner pairs both signed with 19 management since Clay and Ruben’ ¦?

I thought all the idols were required to use 19M unless 19M officially releases them. Is this not true?

This does not sound good…

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sma11ie: I remember Justin Timberlake loose-lipped about the hosting gig being the best $5000 you’ll ever earn or something. But I think that’s for hosting. And hosts are BIG names. Who knows how much musical guests get. Probably a lot less.

Musical acts get paid far less than it costs them to perform on the show. Compensation depends on what they do — # of performances, participation in the show skits, hosting. But generally about $3,000.

The most famous SNL offer to a act to perform on the show was made on air by Lorne Michaels. He offered The Beatles $3,000 to reunite and perform on the show. Here is a link to the transcript of this very funny bit:

http://snltranscripts.jt.org/75/75rbeatles.phtml

I thought all the idols were required to use 19M unless 19M officially releases them. Is this not true?

It was my understanding that Taylor chose not to go with 19 management, opting for The Firm instead. We see how that worked out.

thedavidcook Did they have tonsilitis in Oregon trail?13 minutes ago from mobile web

Hrrm, hope he is just being overly nervous….

Damn, I hope he’s okay. And selfishly, I am supposed to see him this Saturday in Providence, RI. I have waited for so long! Well, it’s more important that he not be really sick, but still…

hi!!! can some1 plz summarize this thread?

What you can reasonably expect for the winner, by way of Press and Promo:

A ton of radio, and video and TV interview bites, continuous – starting mid to late October and going up past the album drop into December – as in possibly 5 or 6 radio interviews aired in one day. It’s good to have someone prepared to record and make mp3′s or mp4′s available – since many of the stations offer podcasts much later, or not at all.

Pre-orders that announce an individual bonus track, from Walmart and iTunes – maybe others.

Sneak previews hosted on a website of the label’s choice.

The AOL Sessions performances and the WalMart Soundcheck performances – these appear on their respective websites after the album drops, the WalMart performances may be played in the Electronics departments of the WalMart stores, as well…. also possibly, a Tonight Show appearance.

These presuppose a band or back up musicians are already assembled.

The GMA Fall Concert in the Park series – these will appear on the GMA website. (Probably using house musicians)

Acoustic Cafe’s and Live Chats for the video promo.

VH1 Top 20 Video Countdown – Guest appearance is probable when the video debuts. (Hopefully, already voted and streamed to be as high as possible)

Kimmel, Ellen, etc. guesting – mostly to perform the single. (or maybe not Ellen now – with the Idol connection?)

Many Jingle Ball radio sponsored appearances in the weeks before the Holidays.

Either/or the Macy’s Thanksgiving Day Parade and/or the Rockefeller Center Christmas Tree Lighting.

Possibly a pre-taped Disney Christmas Show appearance.

A New Year Eve gig – of some kind – televised.

The fans of the runner-up can expect much of the same, especially in regard to radio Press and Promo and all the Jingle Balls.

There could be lots more, but that would be an unknown.

It’s about to get very busy for fans of either one.
~

jms: I thought all the idols were required to use 19M unless 19M officially releases them. Is this not true?

The winner of Idol gets a $1 million recording contract and is managed by 19 Management. 19 Management and 19 Recordings have the first option to sign contestants for both management and record deals with its major label partner (Sony).

My understanding is that Clay was managed by 19 Management in 2003-2004 until he He sued 19M to get out of the contract in 2004. In the Fall of 2008 Clay did not resign with 19 Recordings (distributed by RCA/RMG). But it is not clear that 19R/RCA wanted to resign Clay.

The winner of Idol gets a $1 million recording contract and is managed by 19 Management.

This is supposition. Neither the dollar-value nor any guaranteed management specifics of the Idol winner’s contract have been publicized since at least S5.

FMBQ still lists both Kris and Adam going for radio adds Monday 10/12. The Kris date has been confirmed but I can’t find this 10/12 date for Adam anywhere else. Adam is also the only artist on the entire list without a song title.

10/12 Mainstream
Adam Lambert (RCA/RMG)
Kris Allen ‘Live Like We’re Dying’  (Jive/JLG)

See, this is what confuses me. Why is Adam’s single still listed on there if 1) there isn’t a name for it (probably b/c RCA hasn’t decided what song it will be yet), and 2) it really WILL not be available on that date? I think10/19 makes more sense, but I don’t know why the information hasn’t been edited. And I understand 10/19: It’s about a month before the album’s release date, it gives it time to get some airplay, and it won’t be out the same day as Kris’s (tho honestly, I’m not sure that matters).

awwww….

thedavidcook: # Should be good as new in a week or less. Time to rest. Stockpiling energy for this weekend!
8 minutes ago from mobile web

What is this Oregon trail disease he’s referencing? So confused.

I think all the talk about the gigs the winner gets is out the window this year except the things pre-planned for any winner. Just think, if there were rumors about the Rolling Stone issue beforehand, the talk would have been, ‘surely they will put the winner on the cover first’ and except for Clay, “they would never consider putting the runner-up on it over the winner”. We see how that worked out. I would think those peeps want the one that is “hot’ right now. Not only is Adam hot, he has the buzz.

thedavidcook: # Should be good as new in a week or less. Time to rest. Stockpiling energy for this weekend!
8 minutes ago from mobile web

I hope so, b/c my show is this Saturday and I am a VERY SELFISH PERSON. (MJ is going, too.)

Someday, we will find out when Adam’s single will be titled and when it will be released…I am not even going to worry about performances till then.

Any twatters wanna try finding this picture?

What is claimed as an on-set picture of Adam Lambert’s ‘Time for Miracles’ music video has been found on Twitter.
Adam Lambert
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Adam Lambert tweeted about shooting a music video for his new single “Time for Miracles” on October 3. “Shooting Time For Miracles Music Video!!!! Long day, but we are getting amazing footage,” he wrote.

There is no word on when the video will be debuted and what it will be dealing with, but a fan by the name Laura Sun whose grandparents live near the shooting location claims to have an on-set picture and recently shared it on her Twitter. The snap shows a crashed car.

Described as “classic rock ballad. Earthy and catchy”, “Time for Miracles” is a soundtrack for upcoming movie “2012 (2009)”. Queen’s guitarist Brian May who got the privilege to hear the song back in August said, “It’s truly sensational. In fact it’s so obviously a number one smash, any bookie would be mad to take bets on it. … Adam’s voice reaches out with sensitivity, depth, maturity, and awesome range and power which will make jaws drop all around the world. It’s an awesome performance.”

Beside filming “Time for Miracles” music video, Adam Lambert is also prepping to release his first studio album since graduating from “American Idol”. He works with Greg Wells, Kevin Rudolf, OneRepublic’s vocalist Ryan Tedder, Sam Sparro, Kara DioGuardi, Linda Perry and RedOne. He will drop the effort in U.S. on November 24.

What is this Oregon trail disease he’s referencing? So confused.

Tons of people died of then-mysterious illnesses while on the Oregon Trail. Mostly cholera though,I think. I think he’s just hoping it’s not some unknown disease (emo boy that he is). And, umm, tonsilities isn’t particularly exotic. I had plenty of bouts with tonsilitis as a young ‘un (under 12) and never got bad enough that I needed to have them taken out. Not a biggie — atleast when you’re young like that. I don’t know if it’s one of those diseases — like measles/shingles — where it gets REALLY bad if you get it as an adult.

For those interested Blake Lewis will be doing a live chat today at 9PM EST/ 8PM CST/ 6PM PST at his official web site:
http://www.blakelewisofficial.com

The fans of the runner-up can expect much of the same, especially in regard to radio Press and Promo and all the Jingle Balls.

ummm i think the Twitter pic is on the tfm video thread

Visit Milwaukee Tourism Video With Danny Gokey
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rDA5TnaCbtU

Tons of people died of then-mysterious illnesses while on the Oregon Trail. Mostly cholera though,I think. I think he’s just hoping it’s not some unknown disease (emo boy that he is).

Ha, he’s so random. I love when he goes emo. It’s hilarious and not annoying like Sarver. DC’s an emo-ticon!

if there were rumors about the Rolling Stone issue beforehand, the talk would have been, ‘surely they will put the winner on the cover first’

Actually, no. Because there was a precedent set with Clay Aiken making the cover of RS before Ruben Studdard, and that was way back in Season 2.

These things are slightly different every year, depending on who the winner and runner up are and their circumstances. Adam Lambert isn’t going to change the way these things go any more than usual.

awwww’ ¦.

thedavidcook: # Should be good as new in a week or less. Time to rest. Stockpiling energy for this weekend!
8 minutes ago from mobile web

I hope so, b/c my show is this Saturday and I am a VERY SELFISH PERSON. (MJ is going, too.)

Save some of that energy for October 18th. I’m finally getting my first DC concert on October 18th @ The Georgia National Fair. Yay rah!

I wanted to see Muse SO BADLY’ ¦we got Snow Patrol instead

Oh, but SueBrody, I lurrrve Snow Patrol, my favorite “smaller band.” Great fit for U2, really. And if Adam is Gaga’s opening act, great fit. Kris with The Fray, great fit. It’s good news all around, I hope! My dream combo: Adam opening up for Muse.

There is no word on when the video will be debuted and what it will be dealing with, but a fan by the name Laura Sun whose grandparents live near the shooting location claims to have an on-set picture and recently shared it on her Twitter. The snap shows a crashed car.

http://mjsbigblog.com/adam-lambert-shooting-video-for-time-for-miracles-today.htm

LOL. Sometimes it’s good to scroll back a few pages…

Cookie’s other recent tweet implied he has tonsilitis.
Note to Drs: don’t take out those tonsils if it will affect that voice!

Tons of people died of then-mysterious illnesses while on the Oregon Trail. Mostly cholera though,I think. I think he’s just hoping it’s not some unknown disease (emo boy that he is).

Ha, he’s so random. I love when he goes emo. It’s hilarious and not annoying like Sarver. DC’s an emo-ticon!

I’m pretty sure he was actually making light of the whole thing by referencing the video game.

Q3: The winner of Idol gets a $1 million recording contract and is managed by 19 Management.

ladymadonna: This is supposition. Neither the dollar-value nor any guaranteed management specifics of the Idol winner’s contract have been publicized since at least S5.

No contestant who signed a contract is ever going to discuss it because the contract includes a confidentiality clause with a huge pentality for disclosure. AI stopped promoting the specific amount of the contract after Season 4 when cost to produce a major label record started to rise rapidly. They stopped promoting the requirement to be managed by 19 management after the Clay lawsuit (late 2004). But both appear regularly in press reports — including recently in People.com, Orange Country Register, Fortune Magazine and so on — and 19 Entertainment never corrects it.

A major recording contract is worth at least $1 million. Major label record costs are high and it costs $1+ million to get top talent, high-quality production, packaging, websites, PR, marketing and to disctribute a record. Then add in the cost of appearances, music video shoots, support staff. Both Kris’ and Adam’s albums probably will cost over $1 million.

Since every winner, and many top finalist, have signed agreements with 19R, 19Merch and 19Management, there is no reason to believe anyone has every been on the show and won without signing something that requires them to sign agreements with 19R, 18 Merch and 19 Management. Even Clay Aiken signed with 19 Management until he sued to get out of the contract.

Adam Lambert isn’t going to change the way these things go any more than usual.

I disagree. EW weekly cover b/f the finale, 20/20 and several other shows right after the finale come to mind that featured the runner-up. Then, there is the song TFM for the movie with a video shoot. DonorsChoose publicity…I could go on and on. To me, ADam Lambert has already changed things.I guess we will wait and see what’s coming down the pipe but my guess is it is going to be a fun ride.

I’m pretty sure he was actually making light of the whole thing by referencing the video game.

LOL, that’s even funnier. I loved this paragraph from the wiki entry you linked:

Throughout the course of the game, members of your party could fall ill and die from a variety of causes, such as measles, snakebite, dysentery, typhoid, cholera, exhaustion, and diarrhea. People could also die from drowning or a broken leg. Your oxen were also subject to illness and death. When one of your party members dies, a funeral is briefly held, after which you continue down the trail.

I love that he was joking about his potential illnesses. Haha, snakebite? Dysentery? Diarrhea? Broken leg, maybe? Nope, just tonsilitis.

I wanted to see Muse SO BADLY’ ¦we got Snow Patrol instead

Oh, but SueBrody, I lurrrve Snow Patrol, my favorite ‘smaller band.’  Great fit for U2, really. And if Adam is Gaga’s opening act, great fit. Kris with The Fray, great fit. It’s good news all around, I hope! My dream combo: Adam opening up for Muse.

Okay, I am down with Adam/Muse. It makes so much sense. They seem to have similar sensibilites. And Adam can duet on Starlight.

I have this picture, in my mind of course since it really doesn’t exist, of this gigantic wall at some PR office (much like in Flash Forward) labeled Adam. And it is full of sticky notes on an oversized calendar and there is some intern pulling their hair out as they attempt to organize the chaos as he tries to find dates for all the “stuff” that is on tap for Adam for the next 3 or 4 months. And with each new phone call he takes he has to move a sticky note forward a day or back a week to make room for the new booking or request.

We sit at our computers desperately waiting for news and at the other end someone is trying to fit all the pieces onto a calendar that is to short of days to handle everything (a little wishful thinking on my part). Now eventually the intern is going to have a nervous breakdown and the PR manager is going to throw up his hands and a call is going to be made to RCA and Adam and the jist of the conversation will be: “OK…no more changes, this is it, we’re releasing all the news today, nothing else is going to be squeezed in, the calendar is carved in stone…no Adam, we can’t give you the third Tuesday off…just live with it!” And viola….we will know everything!

That said, I do remember folks talking about Clay wanting out of the 19M contract because of a conflict of interest in promoting the winner over him?

Funny thing is, where’s all that good stuff that Clay was supposed to get being out of his contract? It seems he had the better part of that deal. The RS cover. His cd ready waay before Ruben’s. The co-headlining with Kelly. Dateline, the AMA’s…..since his departure what? Clay had two really promising years, and then? We need to have some perspective in this who is getting the better promotion, and who is getting thrown under the bus. There are ways for folk to be managed by the same entity and both come out okay. I think Clay believed too much of the hype, and he got burnt IMHO.

Adam is now #3 on the Amazon list.

#2 Rock
#3 Pop

behind babs and rosanne cash…

I wanted to see Muse SO BADLY’ ¦we got Snow Patrol instead

I really liked Snow Patrol’s old album- the one with Ran, but I got their new one a while back and didn’t dig it that much. I recently saw them (dragged by a friend) right before I saw Muse with U2, and IMO, Muse > Snow Patrol. Snow Patrol’s hits were great in concert, but their new stuff is kinda yawn-inducing. Whereas I enjoyed all the Muse stuff I didn’t recognize in concert, not just the hits. They were a lot harder live, too, which was nice– much harder than Snow Patrol. For a band with essentially 3 guys, they were making some noize…

MJ: These things are slightly different every year, depending on who the winner and runner up are and their circumstances. Adam Lambert isn’t going to change the way these things go any more than usual.

I agree, MJ. Adam isn’t going to change the way 19 does things — this is a big machine and no one is going to change it — certainly not an “owned” artist. But he may make us believe that he has creative control and has changed it. And no doubt he will not hesitate to ask for what he wants.

I also think that how the Idol finalists’ transition from the show and tour, to recording artist and professional performers is different every year and for every individual. Kris is on his own path and so is Adam, Danny, Allison and the rest of the AI8 finalists. Kris isn’t like any of the past Idol winners, and Adam isn’t very much like Clay or SuBo, the other two famous reality talent show runners up.

adamaloha
October 5, 2009 at 5:29 pm
Adam is now #3 on the Amazon list.

#2 Rock
#3 Pop

behind babs and rosanne cash’ ¦

I expect that it will drop unless there is some good music released. I just think there is a limited number of people who will preorder this album on faith alone.

sma11ie
October 5, 2009 at 4:21 pm
What is this Oregon trail disease he’s referencing? So confused.

You have to type “bang!” really quickly or you starve. See now that was an Old Skool reference…literally. Ahh, good times. Good typing times.

Oh and SueBrody I feel ya, I’d be pissed if I got Snow Patrol instead of Muse as well. I was thinking of arranging for a trip in FL to see Muse, oh and U2 because for me it would be like that. BUT tying it to AI, I hope that David Cook is feeling better this weekend for your concert and yes, the doctors better leave the tonsils alone. Not just for the voice, but they’re pretty useful in helping fight illnesses, so I’m glad that the shift with medicine was to abandon the ‘yank them out surgically, just cuz.’

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There are so many #dumbtrendingtopics like #someonefarted. Who would start something like that?…..psh.. Night Ya’ll.
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So….has anyone brought it up? I just heard about it. If not, then I won’t mention what “it” is. lol I don’t want to be accused of starting drama or creating controversy.

Q3
October 5, 2009 at 5:39 pm
adamaloha
October 5, 2009 at 5:29 pm
Adam is now #3 on the Amazon list.

#2 Rock
#3 Pop

behind babs and rosanne cash’ ¦

I expect that it will drop unless there is some good music released. I just think there is a limited number of people who will preorder this album on faith alone.

Yes, I’m not panicking. Just posting info..

Tess
I have this picture, in my mind of course since it really doesn’t exist, of this gigantic wall at some PR office (much like in Flash Forward) labeled Adam. And it is full of sticky notes on an oversized calendar and there is some intern pulling their hair out as they attempt to organize the chaos as he tries to find dates for all the ‘stuff’  that is on tap for Adam for the next 3 or 4 months. And with each new phone call he takes he has to move a sticky note forward a day or back a week to make room for the new booking or request.

We sit at our computers desperately waiting for news and at the other end someone is trying to fit all the pieces onto a calendar that is to short of days to handle everything (a little wishful thinking on my part). Now eventually the intern is going to have a nervous breakdown and the PR manager is going to throw up his hands and a call is going to be made to RCA and Adam and the jist of the conversation will be: ‘OK’ ¦no more changes, this is it, we’re releasing all the news today, nothing else is going to be squeezed in, the calendar is carved in stone’ ¦no Adam, we can’t give you the third Tuesday off’ ¦just live with it!’  And viola’ ¦.we will know everything!

LOL Yup, indeed.

Adam said during the tour that he never expected that he’d be having to turn things down, so I have wondered just what he did have to turn down because there was/is so much other stuff happening.

So’ ¦.has anyone brought it up? I just heard about it. If not, then I won’t mention what ‘it’  is. lol I don’t want to be accused of starting drama or creating controversy.

I guess we missed it but I love some good controversy. Do tell!

So’ ¦.has anyone brought it up? I just heard about it. If not, then I won’t mention what ‘it’  is. lol I don’t want to be accused of starting drama or creating controversy.

WHAT? WHAT? WHAT?

Tony
October 5, 2009 at 6:00 pm

So’ ¦.has anyone brought it up? I just heard about it. If not, then I won’t mention what ‘it’  is. lol I don’t want to be accused of starting drama or creating controversy.

Are you referring to Rickey’s and VFTW latest post? It came up in my google email – didn’t bother to read it because it’s stupid.

Tons of people died of then-mysterious illnesses while on the Oregon Trail. Mostly cholera though,I think. I think he’s just hoping it’s not some unknown disease (emo boy that he is).

Ha, he’s so random. I love when he goes emo. It’s hilarious and not annoying like Sarver. DC’s an emo-ticon!

I’m pretty sure he was actually making light of the whole thing by referencing the video game.

Oh the hilarity! Of course, school-age David Cook would have played that video game. See pertinent part of the Wiki article below:

The game was inspired by the real-life Oregon Trail and was designed to teach school children about the realities of 19th century pioneer life on the trail. The player assumes the role of a wagon leader guiding his party of settlers from Independence, Missouri, to Oregon’s Willamette Valley by way of the Oregon Trail via a Conestoga wagon in 1848.

Independence, MO is really close to Blue Springs (DC’s home town).

Okay, I apologize to Tony.

Swastika..UTTER NONSENSE

Who is this woman? She gets all her facts wrong, has a misleading, atrocious headline AND says she’ll buy Adam’s album.

She’s either a moron or a hits hog. Well, I guess she’s both.
That’s not a swastika, btw.

ETA: I knew about this yesterday but didn’t say anything about it, hoping it would just go quietly away. Now it’s up on google search– fair game, unfortunately. But still ridiculous.

So’ ¦.has anyone brought it up? I just heard about it. If not, then I won’t mention what ‘it’  is. lol I don’t want to be accused of starting drama or creating controversy.

LOL Now that’s a good way of starting something without starting. I have a feeling if it was any other idol it would have been in the first page of comments already…
But what is there to discuss? It’s pretty obvious what is there.

Rickey is an idiot. I know VFTW looks for the ridiculous but this is really out of line. It’s a doodle on the jacket of a Jewish gay man …of course it’s a swastika.

Tony is probably talking about the alleged denim jacket from the tour that got auctioned off for $2000 bucks for Donors Choose and that has a penned in swastika symbol drawn on it.

Stupid…stupid…stupid…

That’s not a swastika. It looks like a big bongo drum with wavy arms.

Ugh, I can’t even believe anyone is taking this seriously. VFTW is all about fake controversy to increase hits, and lately Rickey’s been no better. The TWOP Adam thread got shut down from what looked like a troll brand new poster throwing out fan bait and a couple people falling for it. I hope that doesn’t happen here.

Was it ever confirmed that this was really Adam’s jacket to begin with?

soverymel
October 5, 2009 at 6:40 pm
Ugh, I can’t even believe anyone is taking this seriously.</blockquote

I'm not.

First off no one even knows if that jacket is the real deal. Second off, some doodle might be a swastika looking, but most importantly that shape is NOT inherently evil. Just ask Tibetans and the Japanese about it, or ask some Native American tribes. Third off, Adam didn’t auction off that jacket for Donorschoose, he’s going to auction off his leather one for that. And again there is no way of knowing whether the jean jacket of any of the other items are authentic. Oy vey ismir. Even though it shouldn’t be on a research paper, it’s fine for things like this : Wiki page on the swastika symbol shows very simply and easily why even if that was a swastika, why that wouldn’t be a bad thing. Yes yes of course the Nazi’s ruined it for Buddhists everywhere, but it is still a symbol for people other than Westerners. Oh and yeah like a gay Jew would wear something symbolizing the Nazis.

VFTW and Rickey continue to prove why I rightly despise them.

I remember as a fan of Taylor’s that he didn’t sign with 19M. He didn’t want them and Simon Fuller didn’t want him. Taylor was a pain in the butt so to speak as he’d had his own band for years, made 3 records, toured and had lots of ideas of his own, that mgmt didn’t like. He’d already tried to organize the contestants to demand more pay on the show (the next year the union came in and the pay is now better) His genre was also not a real easy on to promote, and Taylor wanted to do a solo tour, which hadn’t been done before. Just saying that 19M can not want to sign the winner, so I don’t think it’s written in stone. Hope they do right by my boy Adam, as he has lots of ideas too.

Rickey’s a fucking hack. This is gonna be a fun evening….what’s on the tube?

Danny vs football fans

# dannygokey Such a low blow!! LOL RT@DewQuad no they werent vikes fans , they must have heard your singing6 minutes ago from web

# danny gokey I lost over 15 followers & counting since I talked stated that I wanted the pack 2 win. Obviously a touchy subject (were they vike fans) =)9 minutes ago from web

# danny gokey Haha good one RT@snowdiamond6 packers are so bad there qb even turned against them!!17 minutes ago from web

# danny gokey The Packers will win 2nite’ ¦.Brett Farve is an excellent QB, but I bleed green & gold! Its trash talkin’ time twitter style =) so Bring it

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Are you referring to Rickey’s and VFTW latest post? It came up in my google email ‘“ didn’t bother to read it because it’s stupid.

Oh, well, never mind. I despise VFTW and Rickey is a tool. I guess we need some real Adam news.

Meanwhile, Sarver tweeted that his daughter is going to dance class.

ETA: Who is this Roberta person, anyway?

and Taylor wanted to do a solo tour, which hadn’t been done before.

Wait, what?? I just assumed all Idol winners (and some runner-ups) did partial solo and partial opening act touring their first year out of Idol. I never knew Taylor was the first one who did the solo thing. You mean Carrie didn’t do this even though she sold like a gazillion albums? Also, didn’t Daughtry also do the same (do solo touring and Bon Jovi opening came later) his first year out? He was the same year as Taylor, I thought and he, for sure, got signed by 19M.

What the heck did they do to him?

DavidArchie The puffiness in my cheeks is nearly gone! Woot Woot! Just slightly yellow bruising haha.

My wisdom teeth extractions wasn’t this big an ordeal.

Why would Taylor think he could pull off a solo tour?

Why would Taylor think he could pull off a solo tour?

As far as I know he did it. He had a fanbase for that.

leome
October 5, 2009 at 7:04 pm
Why would Taylor think he could pull off a solo tour?

As far as I know he did it. He had a fanbase for that.

Oh. Sorry, didn’t realize that.

What is it with these people who can notice an amount as small as 15? Sarver mentioned losing about 26 followers the other day. I can understand if you see a huge drop off, then it would be noticeable but an amount that small?

I wonder if DC got sick from that Springsteen show. It was freezing out there and the last few days I’ve had a bad cold and sore throat which I blame on that. Three hours in the cold is never good even when dressed appropriately. Amongst the thousand or so well wishes he’s being tweeted someone said she really wanted a Milwaukee concert date, so he tweets said fan back with a new date

@thedavidcook @getyourshovel November 11th – Riverside Theatre

Now everyone is on there begging him for more dates heh. Hope he takes the few days he has off to rest and do nothing but that. I’m sad he’s sick but in a way its a blessing it happened right when this short break happened.

Nice article on Adam!

http://www.afterelton.com/other/2009/10/new-music-monday-10-5

Why would Taylor think he could pull off a solo tour?

Taylor was the Adam of S5. The confidence you feel right now about Adam’s prospects post-idol? From what I remember, that’s exactly how Taylor’s formidable fanbase (and a lot of the industry and media) felt in the fall of 2006. There was no reason to believe that a contestant who won so handily (never in the bottom, biggest ratings in history, best-selling tour, etc.) could not carry a headlining tour. But perception of “buzz” does not always translate to the real world. A lot of Idol expectations got re-set after Taylor.

Why would Taylor think he could pull off a solo tour?

He did. I think he did pretty well on that solo tour.

Keel, I was talking about the winner and not partial tours. I’m talking about a full 5O plus solo tour of theatres and casino type arenas that lasted almost a year. Daughtry was in S5 but not the winner and did a few small bar shows (one even in my area) before linking up with Bon Jovi. This has nothing to do with what the winners and non winners did after the first year. I just heard that Simon Fuller did not want to sign Taylor for reason listed, even tho he was the winner.

Now everyone is on there begging him for more dates heh. Hope he takes the few days he has off to rest and do nothing but that. I’m sad he’s sick but in a way its a blessing it happened right when this short break happened.

Poor guy. lol I hated that it took him getting sick to get a much needed break but I agree it is a blessing in disguise now.

VFTW and Rickey continue to prove why I rightly despise them.

Ditto this and the post he did in the last couple of days “pleading” with people to buy Kris’s single was pretty disrespectful of his own favorite IMO. He opened it for comments and got slammed. unfortunately, so did Kris. Way to promote your fav. Rickey!

ladymadonna
October 5, 2009 at 7:10 pm
Why would Taylor think he could pull off a solo tour?

Taylor was the Adam of S5. The confidence you feel right now about Adam’s prospects post-idol? From what I remember, that’s exactly how Taylor’s formidable fanbase (and a lot of the industry and media) felt in the fall of 2006.

I see what you’re saying. Although I do not expect Adam to headline a solo tour. Seems premature to me. I love him but I’m not quite that over the moon.

Did he actually do a full 50-plus solo tour though? I just looked up on Wiki and it says:

Hicks embarked on a three-month US promotional tour for his album that started on February 21 in Jacksonville, Florida, and ended in Seattle, Washington on May 12.

If he did do 50+ dates, I’m sure he did well financially. I just had no idea his fanbase was that strong.

ETA: Okay, I just saw that you said he did the 50+ solo tour dates over the course of an entire year. That makes a little more sense.

OK, can I just say how proud I am of you all for shutting that malicious topic down without making MJ do it? Bravo!

New Music Monday! Kylie, Adam, Mika, and Who the Heck is Sliimy!
http://www.afterelton.com/other/2009/10/new-music-monday-10-5

Adam Lambert Fans Making Own Music Videos
http://www.rockstarweekly.com/content/view/954/149/

Taylor was the Adam of S5. The confidence you feel right now about Adam’s prospects post-idol? From what I remember, that’s exactly how Taylor’s formidable fanbase (and a lot of the industry and media) felt in the fall of 2006.

I see what you’re saying. Although I do not expect Adam to headline a solo tour. Seems premature to me. I love him but I’m not quite that over the moon.

Yeah if Adam does anything solo, it will be small venues at best, because outside the AI bubble, he isn’t a big enough deal to draw beyond that. I don’t think that the vast majority of Adam fans think otherwise.

Im listening to Pink’s CD funhouse and really liking it

I’m guessing (based on Adam pushing the boundries at family friendly AI tour) that an Adam solo tour won’t be appropriate for anyone under high school age LOL.

Haha so I JUST make it.

I hope Adam does tour with Lady Gaga for a few dates, I think it would be brilliant.

I bet that Adam does have a lot lined up, but it does seem weird that we havent heard anything but I guess that’s typical of RCA so *weak smile*

I wonder if DC got sick from that Springsteen show.

I froze my butt off at U2, (and got sick, haha), but I remember thinking the VIPs probably had box seats and whatnot to stay warm. I think DC got sick from those signings after the two Canada shows. From what I could tell from videos, it was raining, and he was giving a lot of hugs. Even the 2nd night, when he was hanging out of the bus window, it looked like it was drizzling a bit. I know it’s great for the fans, but he probably shouldn’t go out in the rainy cold after concerts…

Oh and yeah, hope that David Cook takes care of himself and starts to feel better. His touring schedule has been brutal! So it sucks that in his small window of downtime he’s sick.

Meanwhile, Sarver tweeted that his daughter is going to dance class.

Poor guy. He hasn’t figured out yet that nobody cares. Maybe he should put down the twitter and go study Chris Sleigh’s blog.

Adam just went over 200,000 followers on Twitter.
and no doubt he plans to respond to all our twats…
i mean tweets.

Here’s Taylor’s full tour schedule from spring 2007 — February thru May. As you can see, it is complete tour of mostly 2000 seat venues. Large rock clubs to small theaters. The Boston show was packed and my impression is that the tour sold well across the country. He was the headliner and had a handful of regional acts opening for various legs of the tour. It was a good band and a solid, professional rock show. This was after it was apparent that his album had bombed.

http://tay-online.com/th_2007_Tour.htm

Yeah if Adam does anything solo, it will be small venues at best, because outside the AI bubble, he isn’t a big enough deal to draw beyond that.

Adam could go out next spring and headline the 2000 seat venues that Taylor headlined back in 2007. These are basically the venues Lady Gaga has been playing up to now. He would have no problem selling those venues.

That is not typically what 19M does with their artists, but it would be viable.

Congrats to Adam to going past 200,000 followers on twitter.

Meanwhile, Kris needs to start using punctuation if he doesn’t want his tweets to be misconstrued!

KrisAllen4real

There is something about walking barefoot in nice grass. And @dannygokey I am going to try man.about 1 hour ago from Echofon

Commas are your friend, Kris! LOL

(note: he’s replying to Danny’s question on whether hes going to watch the Packers-Vikings game tonight)

These are basically the venues Lady Gaga has been playing up to now. He would have no problem selling those venues.

As I understand it the Kayne/GaGa thing was going to be more arena sized venues and they were having problems selling tickets and I don’t think that the vast majority of Adam’s fans would say that he could be selling out arenas right now, or the forseeable future. Especially seeing as he doesn’t even have a single out, much less an album.

And @dannygokey I am going to try man.

It’s a cookbook! And sure, first it was kangaroos, now it’s man! Knew that Kris Allen shouldn’t be trusted. He seemed entirely too nice.

It’s a cookbook!

Bwah!

As I understand it the Kayne/GaGa thing was going to be more arena sized venues

I didn’t say anything about what she may or may not do in the future. I said that, up to now, she’s been playing the 2000 seat venues that Taylor played. These are also the venues that people like Ryan Adams and the Raconteurs and other indie-rock acts typically play.

The next step up would be the 5000 seat theaters and amphiteaters. I have no idea where the Gaga/Kayne tour was orginally booked since I wouldn’t go see Kayne West if he played my living room and you held a gun to my head and marched me to the sofa. I’d grab the gun and pull the trigger, first.

Adam could go out next spring and headline the 2000 seat venues that Taylor headlined back in 2007. These are basically the venues Lady Gaga has been playing up to now. He would have no problem selling those venues.

Popular idol contestant do tend to have the ability to sell up 700-2000 seat venues at least until the following summer. If I remember correctly, Taylor’s tour started to run out of gas in the fall. Which was a long, LONG time after his album bombed. So I think Adam could do a small venue tour a la Archie’s first one or Cook’s current one at least until around this time next year, no matter how is album does.

Tim Stewart loves him some Allison, she brings out the big brother vibe in all the guys – LOL

timstewart1 #FridayIllBeOverU is the shiiiiiit! so excited for @Allison4realzzz… sounds great lil buddy… still kickin ur ass tho… haha

My impression is that Cook has been playing smaller venues than the standard 2000 seat venue itinerary.

He’s been doing a lot of college gigs, with typical capacities in the 500 to 750 range. For example, the Georgia Theater where he played in Athens had a capacity of 620. Toad’s Place in New Haven is 700 tops. The Cat’s Cradle in North Carolina is 600.

This is about a third the size of the venues Taylor was playing. These venues are pretty typical for singer/songwriter and Americana acts like Gillian Welch and so forth.

Looks like Cook has stepped up to larger venues in the last month or so, playing some 1500 to 2000 seat joints.

duplicate post, sorry

I just got by hard copy of EW. Adam made the bullseye. LOL! It’s the picture that everyone says makes him look like a vampire…and the caption underneath the picture is “Not a vampire, despite what you may think.”

Good for Adam for making the bullseye. I guess they feel he has enough buzz that they don’t have to identify him by name.

Also Kris’ LLWD review (A-) is in the EW hard copy has well. They only gave Susan Boyle’s single “Wild Horses” a C.

ETA- Carry got listed as #5 in EW’s “Must List” and they gave Cowboy Casanova an A-.

Sorry if this has already been posted. I just got my copy in the mail today, so I’m hoping I’m not duplicating the info.

Popular idol contestant do tend to have the ability to sell up 700-2000 seat venues at least until the following summer. If I remember correctly, Taylor’s tour started to run out of gas in the fall. Which was a long, LONG time after his album bombed. So I think Adam could do a small venue tour a la Archie’s first one or Cook’s current one at least until around this time next year, no matter how is album does.

The “problem” with Adam, and I put that in quotes, is that he needs or may want a big production, which a smaller venue might not be able to handle. Dancers (with wardrobe), band, and special effects? Plus, there are issues of paying for all of this to travel all over the place, including salaries of the performers…. Or, maybe this is just the fans speaking and Adam doesn’t really want all this?

My impression is that Cook has been playing smaller venues than the standard 2000 seat venue itinerary.

He has, and he’s been playing larger ones too. But his bottom line is probably smaller than what you are expecting of Adam, i.e., Cook does not need dancers, wardrobe, special effects/scenery. On tour, Cook is relatively low budget because it’s not about production at all. It’s about his voice, the music and his band members. All they carry along is a rubber chicken.

leome

LOL Now that’s a good way of starting something without starting. I have a feeling if it was any other idol it would have been in the first page of comments already’ ¦
But what is there to discuss? It’s pretty obvious what is there.

What I want to know is….WHY, WHY, WHY?? It makes absolutely ZERO sense. Something this ludicrous and this absurd has to have some reasoning behind it (doesn’t have to be logical either, lol).

And like you said: yes, it’s absolutely there. I saw a super high-res image of it (from a fansite, so that eliminates the bias) and there’s no denying that it’s there.

My impression is that Cook has been playing smaller venues than the standard 2000 seat venue itinerary.

Cook has done all sizes of venues. He’s done small clubs and college venues, and large fairs and everything in between. His venue size has gone from 350 all the way up to 18,000. It’s misleading to say that he’s playing a smaller than 2000 seat venue itinerary, without pointing out the larger casino shows and state fairs.

However, I’ve gotten the impression that he relishes the smaller, more intimate venues.

My impression is that Cook has been playing smaller venues than the standard 2000 seat venue itinerary.

He’s been doing a lot of college gigs, with typical capacities in the 500 to 750 range. For example, the Georgia Theater where he played in Athens had a capacity of 620. Toad’s Place in New Haven is 700 tops. The Cat’s Cradle in North Carolina is 600.

This is about a third the size of the venues Taylor was playing. These venues are pretty typical for singer/songwriter and Americana acts like Gillian Welch and so forth.

Looks like Cook has stepped up to larger venues in the last month or so, playing some 1500 to 2000 seat joints.

He has been playing smaller venues, but he also has played to 10,000 to 15,000 plus venues as well (Red, White & Boom). He has been doing this since February. It hasn’t happened just in the last month as you say. And Sassykat I so agree with your assesment. Cook doesn’t need a big production. It’s all about the music.

As I was saying — punctuation is your friend when it comes to twitter…

jill05401: @KrisAllen4Real If you are really “going to try man”, I’d suggest trying @adamlambert before @dannygokey
3 minutes ago from web

He’s been doing a lot of college gigs, with typical capacities in the 500 to 750 range. For example, the Georgia Theater where he played in Athens had a capacity of 620. Toad’s Place in New Haven is 700 tops. The Cat’s Cradle in North Carolina is 600.

This is about a third the size of the venues Taylor was playing. These venues are pretty typical for singer/songwriter and Americana acts like Gillian Welch and so forth.

Looks like Cook has stepped up to larger venues in the last month or so, playing some 1500 to 2000 seat joints.

I think you’re probably right, except that even from the winter/eaerly spring, Cook would do a casino gig every, say, 10th show or so, which would get him to the larger 2K-5k+ size venues. Then probably, say, every 20th show or so (much more frequently in the summer), he’d do the Idol-standard state/county fairs where the crowds were around 5k-15k (though ticket prices could be a lot less).

Seems to me he and his management were trying to balance getting new fans off the smaller venue college and club gigs vs. making $$ on the tour via the casino / state fair gigs. That’s my speculation on the mix of venues, anyway.

girlygirl
October 5, 2009 at 9:27 pm
As I was saying ‘” punctuation is your friend when it comes to twitter’ ¦

jill05401: @KrisAllen4Real If you are really ‘going to try man’ , I’d suggest trying @adamlambert before @dannygokey
3 minutes ago from web

trufax girlygirl
*highfives U*

nvm

Ugh, the last thing I wanted to start was a Cookie tour stats contest. LOL.

My only point was that very popular idols can sell tickets to live shows for some time after their albums come out, no matter how those albums do. So Adam does have the option to do a smaller club tour if he wants. Yikes.

maybe he never looked that closely at the jacket,

Well, that would certainly explain the entire jacket in all its hideousness. I could believe he never even looked at it in the mirror.

It’s a small doodle

LOL. Who doodles swastikas on jacket? That’s so not random.

Personally, I suspect it’s some half-whit who likes mystique symbols from other cultures and thought they were drawing one of those (hint, the Buddhist symbol turns clockwise, not counter-clockwise). Like those idiots who think they get “World Peace” tattooed on their bodies in Chinese characters only to discover years later that it really reads “Smelly Butt”.

Adam is so not a Nazi, but he might want to invest in that mirror if he keeps letting that designer design his clothes.

I just got by hard copy of EW. Adam made the bullseye. LOL! It’s the picture that everyone says makes him look like a vampire’ ¦and the caption underneath the picture is ‘Not a vampire, despite what you may think.’ 

I prefer the term Glampire, myself. And I know people hate that picture, and it’s not my favourite, but I don’t hate it the way I hate say, some of those YHA pictures and every single one of those NOLA pictures. At least he looks kind of pretty all gothy, but than I like gothy, so there you go

Oh and dear Christ on a cracker, Buddha on bruchetta, Krishna on a kaiser roll, Mohammed on melba toast, the swastika thing makes me want to scoop my brain out with a rusty melon baller. VTFW and Rickey…nuff said as far as I’m concerned.

Tony had it occurred that maybe he never looked that closely at the jacket, It’s a small doodle. Also being gay, Jewish and somewhat of a flower child I doubt he is a ‘closeted’ Nazi as some idiots are tweeting to him. People will believe what they want and make a story where ther isn’t one.

I know that the symbol we know as the swastika has been used by those other than the Nazis as a symbol for meanings and traditions which are not horrific, but it’s very easy to take it in the wrong way if not shown in the correct orientation. I “blame’ this careless use more on youth, than anything. I know that, when I was in college I had a scarf that was a khaffiya and some thought that was a symbol of support for the Palestinians even though I did not intend that, so — bottom line — you have to be careful with these symbols as they have meanings that others may find offensive.

ETA: Oh, I wanted to add, my scarf was not a symbol of anything pro or con anyone in the middle east. They just happened to be selling it on a street corner. And, in fact, I still have it over 20 years later. I still like it.

I’m willing to accept the possibility that Adam never saw it but my God…..that’s a pretty outrageous oversight.

Maybe he and Lady Gaga use the same mirror. And by use the same mirror, I mean that they don’t use one.

Kirsten – you were too fast for me I deleted my post because I didn’t want to add anything more to this conversation.

Like those idiots who think they get ‘World Peace’  tattooed on their bodies in Chinese characters only to discover years later that it really reads ‘Smelly Butt’ .

LOL – I know people like that

Adam is so not a Nazi, but he might want to invest in that mirror if he keeps letting that designer design his clothes.

It will be a lesson learned.

VTFW and Rickey’ ¦nuff said as far as I’m concerned.

I’m not familiar with vote for the worst, but Rickey is constantly showing he has no scruples.

I have no idea where the Gaga/Kayne tour was orginally booked since I wouldn’t go see Kayne West if he played my living room and you held a gun to my head and marched me to the sofa.

Dude’s an ass, but his music is awesome. I’d love to see Kanye live.

My impression is that Cook has been playing smaller venues than the standard 2000 seat venue itinerary. [...] Looks like Cook has stepped up to larger venues in the last month or so, playing some 1500 to 2000 seat joints.

Well, stepping up is a good sign, no? Better than starting out at the big venues and fizzing out by the time the new season is done. I’m gonna go ahead and take that to mean that his fanbase isn’t comprised of a small group of die-hard Idol fanatics who will move on with each successive season, and that DC’s not going away anytime soon . That said, I think the other DC fans are right that DC has actually been mixing it up quite a bit with the venue sizes on this tour. After the college leg of the tour ended, the under 1000 seaters have been the exception rather than the rule.

Some people will alwys surmise the worst about any situation’ ¦.and I think everyone who is talking about this needs to remember that Adam’s Mom is jewish and her extended family is very jewish and this insidious gossip is only hurting and upsetting people that don’t deserve it. ‘Nuff said’ ¦end of rumours.

Granted. But, he should watch what he wears, nonetheless.

if so where did this Roberta chick get it from and how do we know that someone else didn’t draw on it, etc. etc.

Well, I don’t know if the Ebay one is real, but it looks to be a faithful duplication if it is a fake.

Adam wearing the jacket where the image is visible

Regardless, I’d be stunned to find out he approves of Nazis so it’s likely some kind of odd oversight.

D’oh!

VTFW and Rickey’ ¦nuff said as far as I’m concerned.

I’m not familiar with vote for the worst, but Rickey is constantly showing he has no scruples.

If you want unfunny snark, head over to VFTW. I used to, I’m ashamed to admit. Actually, this one guy (think it’s a guy), Professor Chan, writes up pretty decent reviews of each episode. The rest of them are just mean, and most of the posters are just stupid. If you hate a show, why the hell do you spend so much time watching it? It’s not facetious, it’s just mean-spirited.

LOL at the Oregon Trail Game and death by mysterious illness being referenced in a DC tweet. He never fails to crack me up…even when referencing random ways to die while blazing a trail. Poor sick Cookie… I hope he finally gets some rest. You know he’ll be wanting to get back on stage by the weekend. Hopefully his tonsils will cooperate.

In hopeful positivity I shall post this vid (posted today) from an awesome Man In the Box performance. Just two acoustic guitars (DC and Neal) rocking it up and David and Andy’s glorious voices bellowing through the venue. Fantastique! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0m56wqpbvqk

My impression is that Cook has been playing smaller venues than the standard 2000 seat venue itinerary.

According to venue data compiled by Idol Stages, the average venue capacity on the Declaration tour thus far has been 2,696. That does not include the Manila show with Archie or the private Arbonne event in Vegas, nor does it include about 10 dates where the venue capacity is unknown (including several of the festivals and fairs where the crowds were likely in the 6-10K range).

32 out of 131 reported venues (24%) have had a capacity below 1000. 17% have had capacities of more than 5000. The vast majority have been mid-size theaters in the 1-3K range.

Total known capacity of the venues he’s headlined since February? 353,137. (This is obviously potential audience only, though reported sell-through on this tour has been above 90%).

This is random, but since we’ve been talking about the Script on this blog, I just saw a promo on the CW (shut it, I <3 Gossip Girls, so shoot me!), and The Script is gonna be on 90210. Sounds like they are ramping up US promo. That's cool, I think they're great. I like that they're touring with DC. Hopefully there'll be some cross-pollination of fans, even influence. They are fantastic live.

I ‘blame’ this careless use more on youth, than anything. I know that, when I was in college I had a scarf that was a khaffiya and some thought that was a symbol of support for the Palestinians even though I did not intend that, so ‘” bottom line ‘” you have to be careful with these symbols as they have meanings that others may find offensive.

I on the other hand would say screw that and that you shouldn’t live down to a bunch of mouth breathing cretins. As I said, the swastika has hundreds of years in various Asian cultures of being nothing, but positive and was used by Hope and Navajo tribes. No way would I tell them they had better watch what they wear and change what they do for Westerners sensibilities. And in that same vein and about your scarf, last year Rachel Ray had a checkered scarf on for a Dunkin Donut’s print ad and some Right Winger commentators started throwing a fit and calling for a boycott of Dunkin Donuts because Rachel Ray was CLEARLY wearing a khaffiya and supporting TERRORISTS!!1! She wasn’t, she was wearing a checkered scarf, which came back in popularity, much like McCain’s daughter was also lateer photographed in. And imho the only terrorists that win where we live like that, are the mouth breathers who were trying to make an issue out of Rachel Ray’s checkered scarf…for a Dunkin’ Donuts ad about coffee, for fawks sake.

And yeah, I feel the same way here about “Adam wearing a Nazi symbol!!1!1!” when clearly he isn’t the type to do so, being all Jewish and gay and crap, and no, that’s not what the artist intended with their weird ass doodle that I can’t even tell the meaning of anyway. Or does it have a meaning, seeing as it’s some random swirly doodle?

Yes people should be careful about how things look, about the time and place about things, totally agree with that. On the other hand it can go too far and imho we let the mouth breathers, like VTFW and Rickey win, when they can make an issue out of this. Context and commonsense, surely they’re not dead?

JMHO, YMMV and all that.

According to Idol Stages, the average venue capacity on the Declaration tour has been 2696.

Holy crap! I didn’t know this. I guess those larger venues do bring the attendance averages up. I recall Cook mentioning a couple (??) months ago that the tour had an average of 96% seats sold, so that doesn’t suck at all. And even if the average has gone down since then — because it inevitably has to (the album and singles are only getting older (why no new single, RCA?)), that doesn’t . . . suck either.

I don’t know if anybody has posted this. I got it from other forum. Mealoaf video recently (Oct. 2), he said he has been working on his album in another studio called Emblem studio (instead of Rob Cavello’s studio), because Rob’s busy working with Adam for his album. So last week and next week Adam has been and will be working with Rob Cavello. Rob’s name was not mentioned in Adam’s producers list before. So if he’s working with Adam for his album, it probably means that RCA really impress with TfM.

http://img39.imageshack.us/img39/7801/vid00015.mp4

I saw Cook and band first at a theater that held around 3,000 then at a county fair with a crowd estimated at 10,000. They were great each time. I think he has been very smart in his approach to touring, & I sure wish him continued success – so they can produce more wonderful music like in that “Man in the Box” video Brisblondie linked.

a lot of other blogs are retweeting this crud all over twitter – this is crap he don’t need when his first single is about to drop

I on the other hand would say screw that and that you shouldn’t live down to a bunch of mouth breathing cretins. As I said, the swastika has hundreds of years in various Asian cultures of being nothing, but positive and was used by Hope and Navajo tribes. No way would I tell them they had better watch what they wear and change what they do for Westerners sensibilities.

I don’t think the Nazi Dictatorship and the Holocaust quite equates to western sensibilities. Unfortunately, just as language morphs and changes over time, so do symbols and this symbol means something horrific and you have to be quite aware of how you are wearing it and what it looks like or you are being purposely obtuse.

And, on that note, I will say goodnight.

The symbol was more than likely the hindu symbols for Vishnu and Brahma, and represents the evolution of the universe and creative energies. the symbol itself is used by a myriad of cultures even today. Such a shame the Nazi’s had to ruin it’s reputation.

Brisblondie: thankyouuuuuuu for that new Man In The Box vid. Theys just kilt me ded. And I thought that Avalanche already did me in. The videographer has the most amazing vidcam. It picked out every string plucked by Neal, and dayymn, that guy has nimble fingers y’all. And I lovelovelove the DavidAndy vocal tandem. They just vocally fit together so well, with David going high and Andy grounding low. My pony would be a DavidAndy rock vocal duo song on the new record, yessss preciousss? With Neal off the leash in the bridge of course.

ladymadonna
October 5, 2009 at 10:15 pm

My impression is that Cook has been playing smaller venues than the standard 2000 seat venue itinerary.

According to venue data compiled by Idol Stages, the average venue capacity on the Declaration tour thus far has been 2,696. That does not include the Manila show with Archie, nor does it include about 10 dates where the venue capacity is unknown (including several of the festivals and fairs where the crowds were likely in the 6-10K range).

Total known capacity of the venues he’s headlined since February? 353,137. (This is obviously potential audience only, though reported sell-through on this tour has been above 90%).

Well, damn. I had the sense that DC has been a success touring, but I had no idea that the average size of the venues was that large.

I looked at the picture, and it is not a swastika. There are 2 circles with arms coming out of it. So, WTF, Rickey and VFTW need to put on some glasses.

I don’t think the Nazi Dictatorship and the Holocaust quite equates to western sensibilities. Unfortunately, just as language morphs and changes over time, so do symbols and this symbol means something horrific and you have to be quite aware of how you are wearing it and what it looks like or you are being purposely obtuse.

I am not being purporsefully obtuse, thank you. I am well aware of what the Nazis did and of course I am not devaluing the Holocaust now. And yes, things change and morph, granted. On the other hand, again, it’s a symbol that has been part of various Asian cultures for hundreds of years. It’s on the throne of His Holiness, for example. Should the Tibetans, if they ever got that throne back (if it’s still around) scratch out the swastikas because the symbol has morphed for us? because it hasn’t morphed for them. Yes we all understand the horrors of the Nazis, and I think we all get that the swastika has horrible associations because they used it and were evil. But yes, I do think that Westerners need to get that other cultures have a symbol that they loved and used long before we cocked it up, and no, I wouldn’t expect them to stop using that symbol if they felt it appropriate. And no, I don’t think I’m being obtuse, deliberately or otherwise, to acknowledge and value other cultures and no, that doesn’t mean I’m not also realizing what the swastikas means vis-a-vis the Nazis and the Holocaust.

Meanwhile all of this is for some random ass doodle, on the back of an ugly ass, bedazzled jean vest that Dorothy Spornak would wear for a really rocking date in like 1989, but that no one else should. See? I told everyone that vest sucked and should have been burned after that first night. Burned, it’s ashes buried and the earth it’s buried in, salted.

OK, can I just say how proud I am of you all for shutting that malicious topic down without making MJ do it? Bravo!

Actually, there’s nothing wrong with the topic. If it’s a news item that shows up on other sites, then it’s fair game. My blog isn’t a fan site–I don’t shut down topics that are unpleasant. I won’t censor like that. Sorry.

Now, if the discussion turns, nasty, then I step in.

My love for the jacket formally known as the BVoC has now been forever tarnished.

Thank you, Truthiness.

Lady M thanks for the tour stats, I knew that David had a successful tour but those stats are fantastic. The venues have been all different sizes but it seems to me that the majority even if you include the college tour have been over 2000. And this proves the point. The acoustic recordings of David Cook’s Canada stops are a thing of beauty. I love them.

If Adam had swastikas on his jacket (which is hard to believe) then that was a pretty stupid thing to do. While the image is familiar in other cultures, for most Americans it still associates with Hitler and genocide.

So it’s not good for the “brand” to wear it while on an Idol tour. I need proof before I believe this story though.

I still don’t see the symbols but I think this is a VERY dangerous subject to be speculating on.

So, WTF, Rickey and VFTW need to put on some glasses.

VFTW twists everything around to make people look bad, and they never say anything good about Adam. Just wait until his new music starts coming out. They are already saying nothing Adam sings is good. I’m surprised people take anything they say seriously. lol

I haven’t seen this newest “controversy” surrounding Adam since people like to drum up drama for no reason at all it seems. So what is it this time? Adam (who is Jewish) is supposedly making fun of other Jewish people? I never payed much attention to that jacket he wore, but isn’t that a symbol used by both by Hindi and Buddhists as a good luck charm?

I need proof before I believe this story though.

Ha. The Internet has no room for proof.

Regardless, I’d be stunned to find out he approves of Nazis so it’s likely some kind of odd oversight.

Whoa – new Adam-gate, and not the kind I’d want to see. But I’m just going to chime in and say: He’s freaking jewish!

So most likely it’s meant to symbolize something else (not a swastika at all, but just some carelessly drawn pinwheel design), or someone just got careless.

Did Adam “create” the jacket, or did someone else for him?

I still don’t see the symbols but I think this is a VERY dangerous subject to be speculating on.

It is extremely dangerous and unfortunate. There is nothing snarky or funny about what happened during the Holocaust.

Thanks for the update on Cook’s Declaration Tour, ladymadonna. He’s done so good this year.

After all the fuss, I finally caved in and looked at that “swastika”. What’s pretty obvious is that the symbol is not a standalone picture, it’s part of an image with other things. I’m pretty sure that each symbol / drawing in that image is to be understood in the context of the whole image? We’ll know more about that symbol if we understand the story / message the whole image is trying to say. I wonder if the original artist will step up and clear this up. Or maybe Adam knows. He seems to pick out the imagery and effect of his costuming / makeup / tattoos pretty carefully.

Oh, do peeps still pay attention to those morons at VFTW? I stumbled across that site in Season 7 coz I like a good snark but *shudder*, nasty. They accused every single idol of being either fat / retarded / robotic / douchey / gay / homophobic / alloftheabove allatonce etc. Although, anti-semitic has to be a new low. Don’t take the bait and don’t give ‘em any hits is my advice.

Should the Tibetans, if they ever got that throne back (if it’s still around) scratch out the swastikas because the symbol has morphed for us? because it hasn’t morphed for them.

I think it’s fine if Tibetans choose to continue to use it. I could be mistaken, but I do not believe that Adam is Tibetan.

In Western culture, swastika’s have a very clear association. I wouldn’t ask people from other cultures to change, but I think that people from Western culture shouldn’t adopt those symbols. I’m sorry, I just don’t. I think Adam somehow made a mistake or didn’t notice those symbols, but if turns out he did it on purpose, then I think he’s an ass.

The Swastika was the calling card for Nazism. They used it as their symbol. They ruined it. For me, that’s the end of the story.

And perhaps I’m a bit overly sensitive. I was once visiting a concentration camp and a group of three 20 year old guys were trying to find somebody to take their picture so they could pose jokingly throwing one of them into a cremation oven. Thankfully, everybody else was horrified at their antics and nobody would help them. I did not think it was possible, but clearly, for some, the horrors of the Holocaust are a laughing matter. As I result, I really don’t think we need to resurrect a symbol so closely tied with the Nazi movement. Pick a different symbol, IMO.

It is extremely dangerous and unfortunate. There is nothing snarky or funny about what happened during the Holocaust.

Totally agree and speculating can be hurtful to Adam and tons of other Jews. This is just mean spirited and dangerous like i said earlier. Nothing gossipy or snarky about it.

Totally agree and speculating can be hurtful to Adam and tons of other Jews.

But I’m not stopping the conversation. Sorry.

Guys, if you all take a close look at the little figure, you can see quite clearly it is not a swastika.

It is, however, still an ugly jacket.

My love for the jacket formally known as the BVoC has now been forever tarnished

Ha! Than this whole stupid thing has some benefits. More people will realize I was right all along, that vest was always trouble. Be it offending good taste everywhere, or creating some tempest in a teapot about some random ass doodle done by goddess knows who, on back.

a lot of other blogs are retweeting this crud all over twitter ‘“ this is crap he don’t need when his first single is about to drop

really? this is the first I’ve seen of this “controversy”. This seems like a 1 day story tops. I don’t see the mainstream media picking this up unless they are going to say Adam is a self-hating Jew and I doubt anyone will go down that road. But hey, these days you never know!

Adam just gave Blake’s album a shout out.

Adam is promoting Blake’s new album! He just tweeted: New Blake Lewis album out tommorow! I dug the last one, can’t wait to hear what he’s dreamt up this time.

Adam’s twitter followers are really racking up too. Its too bad those aren’t pre-album sales. He’d be over 200,000 sold already. lol

Guys, if you all take a close look at the little figure, you can see quite clearly it is not a swastika. It is, however, still an ugly jacket.

ahha. True. I usually love Adam’s fashion sense, but that jean jacket has got to go!

Wonder what Adam thought of Allison’s song? Have any of the idols twatted about it?

Wonder what Adam thought of Allison’s song? Have any of the idols twatted about it?

I follow Melinda Doolittle and she responded favorably to Allison’s new song.

Meanwhile all of this is for some random ass doodle, on the back of an ugly ass, bedazzled jean vest that Dorothy Spornak would wear for a really rocking date in like 1989, but that no one else should. See? I told everyone that vest sucked and should have been burned after that first night. Burned, it’s ashes buried and the earth it’s buried in, salted

Ahh, truthiness, so you don’t like the vest?
LOL

No one’s commenting about Adam’s tweet. I like Blake’s new album, too!

I responded to his twat. I said that’s great, I will check it out BUT when is Adam’s music coming?????

alaadam
October 5, 2009 at 11:53 pm
I responded to his twat. I said that’s great, I will check it out BUT when is Adam’s music coming?????

And here is the problem. People are beginning to cannibalize each other because they are being driven to insanity waiting for Adam’s music. Adam truly is the most powerful man in the ‘verse.

Ha! Than this whole stupid thing has some benefits. More people will realize I was right all along, that vest was always trouble. Be it offending good taste everywhere, or creating some tempest in a teapot about some random ass doodle done by goddess knows who, on back.

Sorry, Truthiness. My love of the BVoC remains I’m still going with there’s no chance in hell Adam was KNOWINGLY wearing a jacket with swastikas on it. I mean really. Makes no sense.

In hopeful positivity I shall post this vid (posted today) from an awesome Man In the Box performance. Just two acoustic guitars (DC and Neal) rocking it up and David and Andy’s glorious voices bellowing through the venue. Fantastique! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0m56wqpbvqk

Wow. That was freakin’ awesome! It is quite possibly my most favorite cover of his ever. Also, that band is ridiculously talented. Andy’s voice is guh and Neal’s solo was exquisite. And, umm, Cook’s not bad either.

The jacket is ugly, but do people seriously believe that Adam, who is Jewish, would have a swastika doodled on it? That makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.

This twat to Adam was so funny:

On a scale of 6 to 31, when does your single come out?

Chicagolaw
October 5, 2009 at 11:57 pm
The jacket is ugly, but do people seriously believe that Adam, who is Jewish, would have a swastika doodled on it? That makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.

No, it doesn’t.

alaadam
October 5, 2009 at 11:58 pm
This twat to Adam was so funny:

On a scale of 6 to 31, when does your single come out?

Did he answer??

Did he answer??

Of course not He answers once a day if we’re lucky.

I wish I could come up with clever tweets like this though. LOL.

Keel – I don’t think it can be overstated what a wonderful job Cook & Co do on that Man in the Box song.
since you mentioned Andy – Andrew Cook will be interviewing Andy Skib from Cookie’s band on his (Andrew’s) radio show on Saturday.

David cook kicks ass! Any word on if he’s feeling better?

Adam’s latest twat:

Tokio Hotel album is out too!!! Love them Germans!

Of all times to say the last phrase.

I’m still going with there’s no chance in hell Adam was KNOWINGLY wearing a jacket with swastikas on it. I mean really. Makes no sense.

I’m in total agreement! I also don’t think there’s any way the management at Idol would have allowed him to wear it if it was meant to be offensive.

Tokio Hotel album is out too!!! Love them Germans!

Of all times to say the last phrase.

In the words of luvadamlambert – OMA! Lordy lordy. Yes, bad timing. That is all.

Chicagolaw: The jacket is ugly, but do people seriously believe that Adam, who is Jewish, would have a swastika doodled on it? That makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.

ITA but there are two small swastikas on the jacket. But it is a very ancient symbol and goes back to neolithic times in India, Europe and Asia and at least 1,000 years ago in America (Navajo and Hopi). Excluding the use by Nazis, the symbol has consistently corresponded to “that which is associated with well-being,” corresponding to “lucky charm” or “thing that is auspicious.

I can believe that Adam had a jacket with two small Buddist images on it. The symbol is commonly used in Buddhist art and scripture, known in Japanese as a manji (literally, “the character for eternality” è  ¬Ã¥ ­â€”), and represents Dharma, universal harmony, and the balance of opposites. When facing facing right, it represents strength and intelligence, and is called the ura (rear) manji. Balanced manji are often found at the beginning and end of Buddhist scriptures (outside India).

From Perez to Adam:

That’s sweet of you to support your fellow gays! *bwahaha*

I’m still going with there’s no chance in hell Adam was KNOWINGLY wearing a jacket with swastikas on it. I mean really. Makes no sense.

I’m in total agreement! I also don’t think there’s any way the management at Idol would have allowed him to wear it if it was meant to be offensive.

If he knows there’s swastikas on it, he probably didn’t take it seriously. I meant he already got it and too late to get new one. He’s probably .. whateva!

Wonder what Adam thought of Allison’s song? Have any of the idols twatted about it?

Like good ol’ mom used to say: If you can twat anything nice, it’s better not to twat at all.

LMAO at all the drama over Adam’s vest, to be topped off by a tweet from Adam professing his love for the Germans.

LOL
You couldn’t MAKE this stuff up!

Several peeps are twatting him back. Some about the jacket like this one:

We knew that jacket stuff was all crap. Thanks for confirming in your sweet way that you deal with controversy. Love you!

Here’s another

jermaine001: @adamlambert LOLOLOLOL you’re funny dude. the way you deal with shit is pretty inspiring. sarcastic and sharp

LOL
You couldn’t MAKE this stuff up!

Nope…you can’t.

Like good ol’ mom used to say: If you can twat anything nice, it’s better not to twat at all.

But yet it keeps on coming, lol!

LMAO at all the drama over Adam’s vest, to be topped off by a tweet from Adam professing his love for the Germans.

LOL
You couldn’t MAKE this stuff up!

Well, if this season and summer of Adam taught us anything, it’s that the guy is a controversy magnet. It’s just gonna happen. I’m just along for the ride.

LMAO at all the drama over Adam’s vest, to be topped off by a tweet from Adam professing his love for the Germans.

LOL
You couldn’t MAKE this stuff up!

You know he did that on purpose, too. Adam does love to poke fun at idiocy. And the VFTW/Rickey idiocy deserves to be laughed at.

Amazon UK has apparently removed the presale listing for the Adam Lambert TBC 12/7/09 release date £11.99 and just has the £8.98 ASIN: B002QEXN3O (US Import) listed.

Also, Adam’s album is finally ranked on Amazon Canada at #19.

Nice twat to Adam:

YourFav_Redhead: Tokio Hotel album is out too!!! Love them Germans! (via @adamlambert) lmao! Sounds like a dig at a certain booger? I mean blogger?

Yup Adam had a jacket with buddist symbols that suspiciously looked like swastikas or might mean ‘that which is associated with well-being,’  corresponding to ‘lucky charm’  or ‘thing that is auspicious” The fact that it is a symbol associated with one of the evil empires of the 20th century and is what most I would guess “ignorant” folks associate it with is their problem because the swastika can mean a lot of things. Yea right you want to buy this used pinto I have for sale?

Just two acoustic guitars (DC and Neal) rocking it up and David and Andy’s glorious voices bellowing through the venue. Fantastique! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0m56wqpbvqk

WOW… thank you for bringing that over, that was fantastic. I want a camera like that one, lol. Neal’s solo… he just fricking rocks.

In Western culture, swastika’s have a very clear association. I wouldn’t ask people from other cultures to change, but I think that people from Western culture shouldn’t adopt those symbols. I’m sorry, I just don’t. I think Adam somehow made a mistake or didn’t notice those symbols, but if turns out he did it on purpose, then I think he’s an ass.

The Swastika was the calling card for Nazism. They used it as their symbol. They ruined it. For me, that’s the end of the story.

Well it’s understandable that people have a visceral reaction to the swastika because of the Nazis, I would hope so! I mean I grew up with Jews who escaped the camps, who were the sole survivors of their families, who had the infamous tattoos, who not surprisingly, battled horrible, debihilitating depression for years, so yeah, I kinda get that part. But I also grew up with Hindus and Tibetan Buddhists. In fact I was brought up Hindu and later Buddhist (before settling on my current atheism), and Madison/Dane county has a rather large Tibetan community. Well considering it’s Wisconsin, it’s large. We even have a Deer Park and His Holiness has come to Madison several times to speak. So it’s emotional for me on several levels as well. For me talking about the swastika is a question of also respecting other people’s religions and symbols which we in the West, don’t have a history of doing very well with. And after all, not as if they asked for an evil regime to ruin something they had used for many years before to mean auspicious and/or lucky things. Not surprisingly, the Nazis ruin everything.

But again to underline, that’s not in any way forgetting or minimizing anything the Nazis did and realizing that the swastika has an immediate and visceral response with people here, again, as well it should. The Nazis were evil and the swastika was used by evil people as one of their main visual symbols. One never should forget what they have done. But that doesn’t mean that we shouldn’t also respect those other cultures who use the swastika in a way that is meaninful for them and I’m all for them using it, yes even if people in the West see it. I’m not going to ask others to change their culture in the name of cultural sensitivity.

But no, Adam isn’t Tibetan and if he knew there was a Nazi swastika, if that is what is was (and even that is in doubt) than yes, he would be not just be an ass, but a self-hating one as well. But I seriously doubt any of that. It makes no sense to me given Adam’s heritage and history of what he’s done in the Jewish community and his family. So commonsense says that either it’s not really there, or more likely, he never even saw it as a swastika (some people don’t see see two faces, but a cup) or he never even saw that part of the doodle. Maybe he was blinded by the rest of the ugliness, I mean bedazzling, and didn’t see beyond that? That has to be the explanation for his wanting to wear it in the first place, because it’s seriously fugly, all other issues aside.

Ahhh, I see the ridiculous jacket story made its way over here today. LOL.

I spied it yesterday on some of the blogs but decided I was not going to contribute to giving Rickey or VFTW any hits for printing that kind of crap.

Tokio Hotel album is out too!!! Love them Germans!

I love this guy’s sense of humor.

Tokio Hotel album is out too!!! Love them Germans!

I love this guy’s sense of humor.

Adam’s very smart. And yes, he has a great sense of humor.

Tokio Hotel album is out too!!! Love them Germans!

I love this guy’s sense of humor.

Adam’s very smart. And yes, he has a great sense of humor.

This is what I luvvvvvvv about him! Sassy snark or edginess with a smile! Either way, he is an inspiration on handling contraversy.

123abc456: Yup Adam had a jacket with buddist symbols that suspiciously looked like swastikas or might mean ‘that which is associated with well-being,’  corresponding to ‘lucky charm’  or ‘thing that is auspicious’  The fact that it is a symbol associated with one of the evil empires of the 20th century and is what most I would guess ‘ignorant’  folks associate it with is their problem because the swastika can mean a lot of things. Yea right you want to buy this used pinto I have for sale?

OK, so I am a Jewish Buddist who once owned a Ford Pinto — so I am totally screwed! (and that’s all really true!!)

Adam didn’t draw that image, the symbols look like they are less than 1″ high and are part of the illustration of whatever that is, no one even know there was a drawing on this jacket during the tour — so what is the issue?

ETA: And of course it was a Levi brand vest! That just makes it perfect!

OK, so I am a Jewish Buddist who once owned a Ford Pinto ‘” so I am totally screwed! (and that’s all really true!!)

Yep! Totally screwed! I had one of those too. The gas tank blew up. lol

Looking at the teeny-tiny picture, it does indeed look like it’s a part of other symbols in the hair or head of the person drawn on the jacket..The kind of things you get – with the cross, the star of David and other spiritual or religious symbols. I am amazed at how desperate we all are for news, gossip, controversy, anything…and I include myself in that category…Still, given that it came from Rickey with his clear bias….

Q3 there is no issue I don’t believe it (the vest drawings or whatever) means anything truth be told but I just thought that giving the different meanings of swastikas was a bit funny. ; )

Totally from left field but I’m doing a Rate the Music survey on Jason Castro music. Just found it funny that I pulled up that email while I was on the Idol blog

unique28v:
I follow Melinda Doolittle and she responded favorably to Allison’s new song.

I love Melinda and I love her Allison stanning.

Adamme:
I don’t know if anybody has posted this. I got it from other forum. Mealoaf video recently (Oct. 2), he said he has been working on his album in another studio called Emblem studio (instead of Rob Cavello’s studio), because Rob’s busy working with Adam for his album. So last week and next week Adam has been and will be working with Rob Cavello. Rob’s name was not mentioned in Adam’s producers list before. So if he’s working with Adam for his album, it probably means that RCA really impress with TfM.

Meat Loaf kicked out of Cavallo’s place

In the midst of discussions re pointy-chinned, mushroom-headed swastika-adorned figures, here is a piece of interesting new information.

So Adam’s in the middle of a two week recording binge with Rob Cavallo? Isn’t that the longest he’s spent with any one producer. What does this mean? I know Cavallo was David Cook’s producer, right? I wonder if Cavallo has oversight of the whole project. Are things even done that way if more than one producer is involved, or is it just a mishmash of tracks from various producers strung together as determined by the A&R types.

Any comments from Cook fans on Cavallo’s work? (I didn’t watch AI last year and haven’t heard Cook’s CD, just the singles)

Is it odd that I’m looking forward to hearing Meat Loaf’s upcoming CD?

123abc456 – Oh, guess I missed the joke.

more tweets:

@adamlambert K ..I am jewish too & U r a smart ass ! Humor swells the soul.thank you 4 ur wit!

adam`s really smart!

sigh, I miss the tour and music.

Hope Cook is feeeling better. Has he Tweeted about that?

OK, so I am a Jewish Buddist who once owned a Ford Pinto ‘” so I am totally screwed! (and that’s all really true!!)

Yep! Totally screwed! I had one of those too. The gas tank blew up. lol

Unsafe at any speed!

Adamme:
I don’t know if anybody has posted this. I got it from other forum. Mealoaf video recently (Oct. 2), he said he has been working on his album in another studio called Emblem studio (instead of Rob Cavello’s studio), because Rob’s busy working with Adam for his album. So last week and next week Adam has been and will be working with Rob Cavello. Rob’s name was not mentioned in Adam’s producers list before. So if he’s working with Adam for his album, it probably means that RCA really impress with TfM.

Rob Cavello was mentioned as a collaborator last June. And Adam tweeted about working with Cavello on Saturday September 19th.

Rob Cavello may be working on Adam’s track for two weeks, but Adam has tweeted about working with Ryan Tedder/Dr. Luke, Claude Kelly, Greg Wells, and Linda Perry since he started working with Rob on his album track.

Here’s a report from MTV.com from 9/23/09:

Adam Lambert Album Update: More Producers, More Tweets

This past Saturday, Adam mentioned he was going into the studio with Rob Cavallo, who produced “A Time For Miracles,” the Lambert tune to be featured in the upcoming flick “2012.” Since nobody has heard it yet (except for Queen’s Brian May, who said he was “completely blown away” by the song) we can only assume that any future tracks by Cavallo for Lambert will be equally life-changing. Score!

Then on Sunday, Adam tweeted, “In Denver recording w/ Ryan Tedder! Get ready for your sonic lobotomy!” “Sonic lobotomy” sounds uber-promising! Ryan Tedder, however, does not. I don’t know about you guys, but as much as I dig “Halo” and “Already Gone” and “Battlefield” and “Bleeding Love,” Tedder’s songs are all starting to sound the same to me. (Even Kelly Clarkson thought so.) Here’s hoping Tedder digs deep to give Adam an extra-special track (or ten).

Then last night, Lambert wrote, “Denver Tedder sessions were major! Looking forward to working with the fantastic Dr. Luke and Claude Kelly tomorrow!” He quickly followed that up with two more tweets: “I know it sounds corny, but this album is a dream come true. I am lucky to be working with the best producers & writers in the world!” and “Get ready to shake yo asses! There be some beats a-comin’!”

I think Cavallo did a good job on David’s album in the short time they had to put it together. I don’t believe it was overproduced. David’s vocals were good and the songs sounded great. Permanent, Lie, Declaration, LOTM and Light On are the best songs on the album. I loved the whole record and it was a record that got better with each listen. I was very happy with Cavallo’s work because these first albums are put together so quickly and David wrote or cowrote most of the songs on the record. Cavallo was the only producer on David’s album.

The man is very, very astute and funny…

Adam, who is Jewish, would have a swastika doodled on it? That makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.

Looks like one, if it’s a real photo. Who knows? All I can say is that people are more complicated than we often give them credit. Lots of people reclaim the word queer. Lots of people reclaim the “n” word. I’m not making a judgement here. Not saying that’s what Adam is doing or that he even noticed it. I will say I’m confident he in no way would support the sentiments behind the Nazi version of the symbol. That seems like a given.

adamaloha

No one’s commenting about Adam’s tweet. I like Blake’s new album, too!

Count me in as one who also likes Blake’s new album.
I like Adam’s taste in music!

adamlambert: Tokio Hotel album is out too!!! Love them Germans!

@adamlambert K ..I am jewish too & U r a smart ass ! Humor swells the soul.thank you 4 ur wit!

That was a masterful piece of PR work, done with 1 small tweet — that isn’t snarky or mean, just very witty!

So is there really this huge backlash going on against Adam re this swastika vest thingy on the internetz, or is this just a really slow news week for Adam fans?

Keel: So is there really this huge backlash going on against Adam re this swastika vest thingy on the internetz, or is this just a really slow news week for Adam fans?

Are far as I can tell there is a backlash going on against VFTW and Rickey for blogging about this mini swastikas on the “hideous bedazzled vest”.

ETA: and some typical fanwarring about Adam fans being OTT.

Slow news day Keel and poor Rickey is desperate…
No Adam backlash, but everyone needs some music or news…

Are far as I can tell there is a backlash going on against VFTW and Rickey for blogging about this mini swastikas on the ‘hideous bedazzled vest’ .

I think you’re right about this. 99 percent of the posts I’ve read on the net have supported Adam and expressed disgust at those who have spread the garbage.

Keel
October 6, 2009 at 1:30 am
So is there really this huge backlash going on against Adam re this swastika vest thingy on the internetz, or is this just a really slow news week for Adam fans?

It’s really not Adam fans perpetuating this. The ones really insisting on seeing evil or anything else bad in it are already inclined to dislike Adam.

Adam’s tweet is hilarious. He’s brilliant at this stuff.

Rob Cavello may be working on Adam’s track for two weeks, but Adam has tweeted about working with Ryan Tedder/Dr. Luke, Claude Kelly, Greg Wells, and Linda Perry since he started working with Rob on his album track.

This makes sense, Q3. Adam doesn’t have to be there for Cavallo to finish the track(s). But Cavallo needing his studio equipment for 2 straight weeks just for “finishing Adam Lambert” (if I’m following Meat’s random ramblings correctly) seems like a lot of time so I’m wondering Cavallo has more than one track. Not that that means they will even make the cut though. Damn, JustGiveUsSomeInfoAlready!

Thanks 123abc456. Cavallo’s resume is damned impressive, so hopefully I’ll like what he does with Adam. I’ll make a point to watch a few more of the Cook vids from the neverending tour. It sounds like the recent Canadian ones were excellent and I remember being impressed with the vocals from Cook’s guitarist when I watched the GMA mini-concert in August.

adamlambert: Tokio Hotel album is out too!!! Love them Germans!

@adamlambert K ..I am jewish too & U r a smart ass ! Humor swells the soul.thank you 4 ur wit!

@adamlambert i feel so happy to be german right now.

@adamlambert LOVE THEM GERMANS. LOL, ADAM. WE KNOW YOU’RE NOT A NAZI, FOR CRYING OUT LOUD!!!!!!!!!! VERY FUNNY, THO.

adamaloha
October 6, 2009 at 1:39 am
Keel
October 6, 2009 at 1:30 am
So is there really this huge backlash going on against Adam re this swastika vest thingy on the internetz, or is this just a really slow news week for Adam fans?

It’s really not Adam fans perpetuating this. The ones really insisting on seeing evil or anything else bad in it are already inclined to dislike Adam.

^THIS^ – based on the comments at Rickey’s blog.

gabilan: But Cavallo needing his studio equipment for 2 straight weeks just for ‘finishing Adam Lambert’  (if I’m following Meat’s random ramblings correctly) seems like a lot of time so I’m wondering Cavallo has more than one track. Not that that means they will even make the cut though.

Two weeks, sounds like more than one track to me.

There are a lot of people working on this album. I wish one of them would say something!

Are there really people who want to blame Adam?

That is not the first time this happen with a fashion design and it will not be the last. I don’t remember the details, but I think there was a brand, who had to stop selling a piece, because of buttons, who look like swastikas.
And a bag designer brand had the same problem.

I think in one of this case it was mentioned that because a lot of fashion is produced in Asia, it sometimes happen that they misread the original design and go with what they know and that when such a detail finds it way in western fashion lines.

It sounds like the recent Canadian ones were excellent and I remember being impressed with the vocals from Cook’s guitarist when I watched the GMA mini-concert in August.

That would be Andy, Cook’s rhythm guitarist, who is in the Man in the Box cover linked to above. He sings Jerry Cantrell’s vocals in the song, with David singing lead a la Layne. Andy sounds really good. Good thing that Cook guy can keep up. Heh.

ETA: Here’s the link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0m56wqpbvqk

Jason fans, Billboard Magazine reviewed Jason’s single in the October 10th issue of the magazine (on news stands now). Great review. A scan is on Castrocopia’s blog:

http://www.castrocopia.com/

As a counterpoint to the acoustic version, here’s one of my favourite electric (full band) versions of Man In The Box with prominent Andy and Neal (and David LOL). I had to see it again, just to make sure that I got the right link of course. Izzit hot in here……?

I miss Kyle already.

Looks like AOL Radio and AOL Music will be featuring Archie’s “Christmas from the Heart” CD next week. Woohooo!!!!

DAismyhero: @AOLRadio hello, will you be playing any David Archuleta Christmas music this year? If not, do you play Zero Gravity? Thxs
about 15 hours ago from web

AOLRadio: @DAismyhero Yep. We (and AOL Music) will have something special with that CD next week.
about 15 hours ago from TweetDeck

Adam is #19 at Amazon Canada
http://www.amazon.ca/gp/bestsellers/music/ref=pd_ts_zgc_m_music_display_on_website_more?pf_rd_p=437150701&pf_rd_s=right-5&pf_rd_t=101&pf_rd_i=916514&pf_rd_m=A3DWYIK6Y9EEQB&pf_rd_r=0SDSGPFRVZPPA3QRRFMG

moved

sidewalkstory: I also remember an interview about the vest. It was just a couple of sentences he said but I distinctly remember him saying something about symbols. So he knows they are there. And I think he said something about Hindu but I could be wrong about that part.

I remember the interview mention of the vest, too, but I have been unable to find it. All I remember was it was at the beginning of the tour and Adam said he liked the vest — I was hoping it was just something the stylist got for him — but apparently he selected it. I don’t remember any mention of the drawing though. Maybe someone else can recall him talking about it.

I spied it yesterday on some of the blogs but decided I was not going to contribute to giving Rickey or VFTW any hits for printing that kind of crap.

Good for you! I wish everyone had followed your lead.

I think Cavallo did a good job on David’s album in the short time they had to put it together. I don’t believe it was overproduced.

To be honest with you, after hearing what Cook and his band were able to do with some of the songs live, I was less happy with the production aspects of the CD. “I Did It For You” is a prime example. I didn’t care for it at all on the CD, but live it’s wonderful.

I don’t know who’s producing DCTR2, but I am hoping that Cook will take much, much more control of this second album and utilize his band generously — especially writing with Neal.