Idol Headlines for 10/04/08

Glad to see good things happen for Josh Gracin. His debut album is still, IMO, the best debut album by any AI alum. I really love the song he wrote for his wife on his second album as well.

Again not news, Crush is #12 in VH1 top 20…Go Crush

No, “Crush” is #3 this week on the VH1 top 20 countdown. It has moved up 12 spots, is that the same list you are looking at? It’s also on fanblast. The fans are really supporting Archie and helping him along, but “Crush” does need more radio play to maintain it’s upward momentum.

That is all good news, and congrats to Cookie and Jhud for doing so well in the charts. JHud, at #1 in her category, that is great! “Spotlight” is growing on me.

And now let the david vs david chart talk begin. Why must the media, and everyone else , for that matter, compare everything they do? I would think what matters the most is that they are both making music they are proud of and are doing what they want for a living.

Since there was such a huge discussion about gifting on the other thread, I just thought I would mention an interesting gifting campaign going on on one of the Archie websites. Here is an excerpt:

TeamArchie Auctions allow us to give back to the fan community while raising even more money with which to gift music to Davidà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s fans. These auctions will consist of one-of-a-kind David memorabilia! Donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t miss out on the fun with every dollar of the winning bid going straight to the TeamArchie Gifting program!Find out what we will be offering and when these auctions will be held by reading our auction catalog below.

They even have a “catalog”! LOL!

No, à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“Crushà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  is #3 this week on the VH1 top 20 countdown. It has moved up 12 spots, is that the same list you are looking at? Ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s also on fanblast. The fans are really supporting Archie and helping him along, but à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“Crushà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  does need more radio play to maintain ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s upward momentum.

Wow sorry, my mistake :blush_tb: … even better… Go Crush :clap_tb: :jittery_tb: :clap_tb:

And now let the david vs david chart talk begin. Why must the media, and everyone else , for that matter, compare everything they do? I would think what matters the most is that they are both making music they are proud of and are doing what they want for a living.

Because they know that fans will eat the bait and start a fan war that will generate lots of visit to their site…

@Mac…
The thing is and from my point of view is that the request for gift, I think they were instruction to gift the single, were placed in the official web of the artist and the argument was that you should only gift music if you know the person who will receive the gift like it… Team Archie is raising money to gift the single to people outside the US who canà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t buy the album through iTunes or Amazon or people who donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t have the means to do it for themselves… Teamarchie is part of the FANBASE, not part of Jive of David in specific… I think is a good idea, since I live outside US they help me purchase my single, and now they will help me purchase my album in a legal way…

Is it just me, or does that press release sound like the acclaimed Chris Cornell is trying to ride on DC’s coattails? If it leads to some more sales and spins for DC, that would be nice. But mostly, it just cracks me up.

No fanwar with me cruzceleste. I bought both cooks and archies singles. Love them both

^^Neither with me :surrender_tb:… THE DAVIDS ARE LOVE :wub_tb:……

ETA: about the comment in my previous post, I donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t think the idea of the cookies to ask the web nerds to post instruction in Cookies website is bad, if it helps other fans to get their music for legal way is a great project… just pointing out the circumstance of how Teamarchie works… so I donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t want to start fan war XXX in here… love and peace for everyone…

Folk Fan, Cornells press release sounds that way to me too. But a but of cross coattail riding never hurt anybody

^^You have to think about the audience that the press release was meant for. It was meant to reach out to people who watch AI (i.e., the mass populace), and not necessarily the people who would generally be big Chris Cornell fans. Cornell is attempting to go more mainstream here, and considering the direction of his latest work, I think that’s been a plan for a little while. So he’s not so much riding Cook’s coattails, but indicating mainstream appeal.

No, à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“Crushà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  is #3 this week on the VH1 top 20 countdown. It has moved up 12 spots, is that the same list you are looking at? Ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s also on fanblast. The fans are really supporting Archie and helping him along, but à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“Crushà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  does need more radio play to maintain ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s upward momentum.

It’s true that Crush needs a push on the top 40. It was moved up a lot one week and then just stopped the next (this week, it’s still riding that out). I blame “Womanizer” for eating up spins of medium-rotation songs, but that song looks to be normalizing now. Crush, however, is doing better and better on Hot AC and AC. It just made the callout list yesterday at #8 with a low familiarity and room to grow. That should alert radio programmers that the song is liked by the public and has a good chance of being a hit. Its lack of a callout score may have been a problem. It also just made top 50 on Hot 100 Airplay, which should help as well. All new developments that won’t reflect in the numbers until at least Tuesday (which shows Monday’s spins).

http://www.idollive.net/2008/10/rca-pulling-out-all-stops-for-light-on.html

FYI:

Contentious posts will be pulled. We are NOT going to have a repeat of yesterday in today’s Headlines thread.

Repeat offenders will be put into moderation.

Make your point, but please don’t be snotty, angry or whiny about it. Also, be polite. Sarcasm is fine, but if you’re using it to mock or ridicule a poster, your post will be pulled.

Posters who show up here to bait and poke–your posts will also be pulled. Keep it up, and you’ll be banned as well. Thank you.

ETA: I’m as serious as a heart attack about this. Disagree without making it into a battle.

I kind of like that Chris Cornell press release. CC’s name has been used to help David so for whatever reason CC wants to use his name I’m ok with that. I really liked David’s words about him. Very nice.

Soundscene, I’m so very glad you have it all figured out, because I wouldn’t hope to understand exactly what they are doing. The press release is just that. A press release,. I don’t know that it *targets* a specific audience, but if you know more than me, please spill.

s. Cornell is attempting to go more mainstream here, and considering the direction of his latest work, I think thatà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s been a plan for a little while. So heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s not so much riding Cookà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s coattails, but indicating mainstream appeal.

Since when was Cornell not mainstream? Soundgarden and Audioslave had some huge radio hits in their day. I highly doubt Cornell’s association with Cook has much more to do with collecting some nice royalties. If anything, it diminishes his street cred a bit (and that’s not an insult to Cook, but a fact of having AI attached to your name). At least that’s how I see it.

Wow, that Idollive article is interesting to say the least. Isn’t it the summary of the discussion yesterday? Maybe the author lurks on different boards. He said that there is no valid reason for RCA’s “desperation” or “smart marketing” whatever you want to call it. But there is a valid reason. Every label wants a good debut week, no?

YMMV, Ianamy. I’ve not seen any desperation. I’ve seen as one of my favorite artists penned, wishful drinking…

I didn’t notice anything odd about that Cornell press release at all. It was just a statement of facts and a very nice, respectful quote from Cookie.

Lol ianamy, I thought the same thing! I don’t care how the David’s are marketed or what strategy is used as long as it is successful. I want them both to be around for more than one album and not have the “L” tattooed to their forehead like Taylor.

I have what is probably a very stupid question. Since fans found info. about “Light On” back in, like, May, it seemed like it was something CC and Hinder dude had written for his last solo album that had landed in the reject pile and was then passed on to DC because they’re labelmates. Is this interpretation the product of my over-active imagination? Because I keep seeing these press releases that CC wrote/co-wrote this song with DC.
Since I haven’t been keeping up with this stuff very much, I’m totally confused.

Since when was Cornell not mainstream? Soundgarden and Audioslave had some huge radio hits in their day. I highly doubt Cornellà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s association with Cook has much more to do with collecting some nice royalties. If anything, it diminishes his street cred a bit (and thatà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s not an insult to Cook, but a fact of having AI attached to your name). At least thatà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s how I see it.

Mainstream as in top 40 mainstream. Cornell hasn’t been that for years. And as for his street cred, pairing up with Timbaland pretty much took care of that. He’s doing a 180 and his core fanbase isn’t the happiest about it. I don’t have all the answers, but people are speculating about why he put out the press release, and I did the same. I don’t see a guy like Chris Cornell riding the coattails of a brand new artist, even one that won American Idol. What I do see is an artist from the past trying to re-assert his mainstream appeal. Being involved in a song that could do very well on popular radio will help him achieve that goal, and potentially push his own new music more in the face of top 40 radio.

I’m pretty sure RCA(or 19, for that matter)has no interest in helping or destroying CC one way or another.

Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢m pretty sure RCA(or 19, for that matter)has no interest in helping or destroying CC one way or another.

The press release has nothing to do with RCA.

Chris Cornell is with Interscope, a division of Universal Music Group. The press release is to promote Chris and if he can get more attention by aligning himself with American Idol, he will. Note that it worked. You’re talking about him and his music.

The press release has nothing to do with RCA.

I never said it had.

elisad, I don’t believe that was directed to you….

I just want to say that Idollive is a blog. It’s absolutely no different than MJ here giving an opinion. It’s actually no more credible than your or my opinion and worth about as much…absolutely nothing unless you want it to mean the world, and then of course it does…i would guess if you like what it says then it is God’s word. If you don’t then it’s worthless…ultimately the buying public won’t give 2 chits what that person said.

Has anyone heard rumblings on DWTS Maks and Misty may be out due to an ankle injury that Misty has sustained? Please say it ain’t true I need Maks on my teevee again.

FolkFan

Is it just me, or does that press release sound like the acclaimed Chris Cornell is trying to ride on DCà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s coattails? If it leads to some more sales and spins for DC, that would be nice. But mostly, it just cracks me up.

I wondered the same thing, but it’s really hard to know. I do hope the release shuts up all Cornell’s obnoxious fans who attacked David for daring to cover Chris’s cover. In the end, David’s performance increased attention to Cornell’s recording, so I guess Chris figured out that being tied to David Cook is not such a bad thing after all!

I just want to say that Idollive is a blog.

And if the blogger can spin something fairly innocuous and a non-story into something people might be interested in, then all the better for the blogger if it draws people to his or her blog. Just read today a story about how much money a blogger can make depending on the number of unique visitors –
http://www.slate.com/id/2201325/?from=rss
(How many unique visitors does MJ get or is that a question that will get me banned for life?)

As for Chris Cornell, I think he is just changing direction, experimenting, and that’s what an artist do. There is no reason to assume anything but that. BTW I like his new song Scream.

I just want to say that Idollive is a blog. Ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s absolutely no different than MJ here giving an opinion. Ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s actually no more credible than your or my opinion and worth about as muchà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦

I just thought it was interesting in how it related to the convo that was here yesterday. I wasn’t trying to pass it off as a news article. I don’t know if that is what you meant or not but I thought I should clear that up.

That blogger just posted this:

Just to clear a few things up, the information in this post was not harvested from any other blog. I personally received the e-mail from iTunes, noticed the change in ads on iTunes myself, saw the post on Cook’s official site about gifting and read of the Amazon e-mail on a message board.

It is true that Amazon sends out its e-mails for recommendation purposes but only if there is monetary incentive (i.e. the record label pays Amazon) to send out the e-mail. Hope that cleared a few things up.

LOL

The Idollive blog is just a taste of what we’ll see come Wednesday and Thursday of next week–no matter what happens with the sales. You’ll notice that the blogger doesn’t make the distinction between ranking on iTunes and sales for the week. Other bloggers will do the same. They’ll get lazy, forget that everything is relative to the songs around it. As for RCA’s promotional tactics, yes, it is a little out of character, but maybe they’re just finally getting with the program–more promotion actually works. They’ve never been the best in that department.

The Idollive blog is just a taste of what weà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢ll see come Wednesday and Thursday of next weekà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬’no matter what happens with the sales.

*feels for MJ* *practices ducking her club*

Seriously, though, lazy writing drives me crazy. I dread it.

à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“Crushà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  is #3 this week on the VH1 top 20 countdown.

Last week it was #15. This week it’s #3. That is a huge leap! Congratulations, David!!!
:clap_tb: :jittery_tb: :thumbup_tb: :drunk_tb:

(How many unique visitors does MJ get or is that a question that will get me banned for life?)

I’ll put it this way. I’m certainly not getting rich off this blog, or even earning a livable wage. I manage to cover my expenses. Well almost, this month. And probably NOT next month.

I haven’t read that slate article yet, but it’ll probably give me a good chuckle.

Of course, click on some of the ads and that helps out a lot! .

And as far as that blog that was linked here. The material in her article sounds familiar because she probably read the conversations here and elsewhere around the net. Come to think of it, some of the stuff on her blog looked familiar. Hm. At any rate, she’s just a fan with an opinion. Just like you or me.

As a fan, I wonder who her favorite Idol was this season? LOL.

ETA: I just read that slate article and it gave me a couple of good ideas, so thnks for posting it! The people who make tons of money from blogs have unique visitors in the triple digits. I’ll just say my UV’s are in the double digits during Idol season, and then they begin to drop during the summer.

Rumor has it that Archie has been invited to and will be attending Miley Cyrus’s sweet 16 birthday bash in Disneyland tomorrow night. The Snarky Archies are having a field day with this one. Their comments are hilarious. Here a few choice comments…

Dang, Dave, you playa-playa — from Miranda to Miley?

i, just. UGHLSDKF. they’re really adorable together. and also, could you IMAGINE her trying to corrupt him? oh, my heart. if david keeps inadvertantly doing this miley stuff, i may end up a miley fan of some sort. completely against my will.

OH GOSH, I love the idea of a 15-year-old corrupting a 17-year-old.

And she would SO be too much for him in a bubbly way, it’s adorable.

oh my GOSH could you even imagine? and he’d be this gentleman and she’d be all “what? why are you so nice, what is wrong with you, am i ugly? is that what it is, and you’re being nice out of PITY?” when he’s just being nice because he’s nice.

and she’d be so LOUD AND BRASH and SCARE HIM.

I just can’t stand Miley Cyrus, no matter how hard I try to like her. So I dunno. I kinda cringe at the idea of Miley/David.

I sorta get scared for David, y’know? Miley is one feisty little creature.

Mainstream as in top 40 mainstream. Cornell hasnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t been that for years. And as for his street cred, pairing up with Timbaland pretty much took care of that. Heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s doing a 180 and his core fanbase isnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t the happiest about it.

That’s a pretty narrow definition of mainstream. Sure, Soundgarden started out on Subpop, but they went to a major label and sold multi-plat. Audioslave sold multi-plat. If that’s not mainstream success, I don’t know what is. Cornell’s projects have sold more than Carrie Underwood. Would your definition of mainstream include her?

Some people thought Soundgarden sold out. Some people thought Cornell sold out when he did Audioslave. No doubt some fans think working with Timbaland is a sell out… It’s all relative.

My point was that his decision to work with Cook was probably mostly a monetary one. No doubt the cross-promotion doesn’t hurt either. I hardly think he’s desperate, however.

Re: Maks and Misty….DON’T TELL SARAH!!! Oh lord, say it ain’t so.

Hey peeps…remember to link to itunes or amazon thru MJ’s site, regardless if it’s an Idol cd or just any music you are going to purchase. She does so much for people here that it would be awfully nice to pay her back and it costs you nothing to do so. MJ works her butt off for this place and deserves to be rewarded for it. If everyone bought their music or click just 1 google ad on the front page every day, MJ might be able to do even more on this site.

So remember…LINK THRU MJ’s!!!!

My point was that his decision to work with Cook was probably mostly a monetary one. No doubt the cross-promotion doesnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t hurt either. I hardly think heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s desperate, however.

I never said he was desperate. And I limited my definition of mainstream based on the direction Cornell was taking his music now.

I’m not even sure where this discussion is going. I said he issued the press release because Light On is top 40 mainstream, and that’s a profitable place to be. You are saying it did it for money. Aren’t they the same thing? The only thing I said that I think people aren’t happy about is that Cornell is not riding Cook’s coattails–which I don’t think he is, for the very reasons you state. He’s been successful enough such that he doesn’t need to ride the coattails of a debut artist.

Well, soundscene, I guess I should have said I agree that Cornell is not desperate or riding Cookie’s coattails, then. It was implied, but not by you.

However, I’ll still maintain that he hasn’t shunned the mainstream for years, if ever. He’s even written songs for movie soundtracks. I don’t see this turn of events as anything new. That was my point.

I believe that I was the first to suggest the coattails thing. That thought for me was partly from the language in the press release and partly the Rolling Stone preview for Cornell’s new record. I don’t really have an opinion as to Cornell’s likelihood of success, etc., with his new record. I just mostly think that it is amusing that he put out this press release when his fans had such a fit about DC doing Billie Jean on the show and when Cornell’s comments at that time (while acknowledging that he had gotten credit for the arrangement) struck me as a bit, shall we say, passive-aggressive. YMMV

Cook covered Cornell’s “Billie Jean” on AI and all summer long on a national tour, and it could be said that is what helped put Cook “on the map,” so to speak. Cornell has been around a good while and has hardly faded into obscurity, so I don’t think his publicist issued a press release in order to ride the coattails of an AI winner to shore up his career. I think a press release *about* Cornell, which says Cornell co-wrote a song that Cook recorded, merely states a fact. I don’t think it issues a challenge as to who will benefit the most. It doesn’t change my mind about either of them.

Chris Cornell’s previous solo album Carry On was on its way to being a footnote until it was rescued from obscurity by American Idol champ David Cook, who performed Cornell’s version of Michael Jackson’s “Billie Jean” to great acclaim on the show.

See above “preview” link in Folkfan’s comment. This is from the RS article. I too thought CC was possibly trying to find yet another way to comeback through DC. I had never heard of CC until the whole “Billie Jean” controversy came to the forefront. I realize he has a very ‘solid’ fanbase, but I also know that DC’s sales on itunes were quite high(although we’ll never know how high) during the AI season. This all adds up to me as a nice ‘coattail’ ride although YMMV since, as I said, I didn’t know about him prior to AI.

Having said that, I’m sure the connection is all good for both CC and DC.

I’m no huge Chris Cornell fan or anything. I do think he has a good voice, great range, and has put out some decent stuff in his career. I own one Soundgarden album. Here’s the thing…one snarky Rolling Stone article can’t erase his success as a lead singer of bands that sold multi-plat albums. I’m not sure how well he’s done as a solo artist… rock singers who go solo don’t tend to sell as well as bands. That was probably the reason Chris Daughtry was marketed as a band, rather than a solo artist.

I hardly think CC needs David Cook, a yet unproven winner of AI, to re-establish himself. That doesn’t mean I don’t think he’d use the partnership to make money or boost them both. He’s hardly riding any coattails. If anything, Cook benefits from the association. For the record, I like Cook.

For those who don’t know who Chris Cornell is, I’m curious as to why not? If he’s someone that Cook admires and covered, why not check him out and take a listen and judge for yourself? I’ve discovered a lot of music by taking a chance on some suggestions from my faves.

I listen to those who my favorites mention are influencing them or they are listening too all the time. I don’t know that David Cook was influenced by Cornell. I only know he covered him. He covered Mariah Carey and Neil Young too. Do I ned to run off and listen to them? He may have said that Cornell influenced him but I honestly don’t remember. I do think, however, that because a song is covered doesn’t mean it’s an influence. I think, and as I said I’m not totally sure, that David covered this version because it worked for his voice…boy howdy how it worked!

So it won’t let me edit. Neil Young (hardly though I’d have absolutely loved it)…make that Neil Diamond (meh)…yeah my dreams influencing my fingers without my knowledge. I actually heard much of both of those Neils back in the day and I’m much more interested in what the Young one has to say than the Diamond one.