Idol Headlines for 09/28/09

Love the part of the Slezak interview with Randy Jackson where he asks him about “for me, for you.” Randy is so delusional he thinks that fans only notice he’s a broken record because of the end-of-season montages the producers put together.

Um, no, Randy, it’s because you really do say the same three things over and over and over and over again.

The Script released this song previously as like a B-side track in Germany. I found all that stuff out afterward

So Kris didn’t know. That sucks.

The Script released this song previously as like a B-side track in Germany. I found all that stuff out afterward

So Kris didn’t know. That sucks.

Wow, just when I was sort of forgetting that the record labels are evil.

I really don’t think the previous release is going to particularly damage sales or radio play in the U.S., since it was done abroad. But not telling him about it — extremely disrespectful, if you ask me.

Of course, it really wouldn’t have mattered if they did or did not tell him.

Won Idol. Has contract. Must sing what he’s told.

Is it bad that I spot Adam immediately in the pic of Kris’ interview?

Lord, Randy. I cannot believe ANYONE told him that he was useful on the panel. Because aside from recognizing Adam’s talent (and so did Paula), what did he do this year? Oh, I know…NOTHING. He’s toast after his contract expires.

I guess Jive didn’t tell Kris. Kris probably found out from the Idol blogs. It doesn’t look like Jive cared to prep Kris for the issue in the media because they assumed the fans wouldn’t find out.

You’d think 19 would learn to stop underestimating the fans by now.

Is it bad that I spot Adam immediately in the pic of Kris’ interview?

No, it’s not bad, it’s surprising. There were NO other pics they could have used?!

I hope Kris’s single does really well. I guess we’ll know after the radio station adds (is that tomorrow?). I still Heartless on mix in Boston, but no LLWD yet.

I realize I might get jumped on for this, but what is the big freaking deal that Adam’s release is available for pre-order and out selling those other albums. I get it, but shouldn’t the test be whether or not the album stays there for more than a day or two? If the pre-order was just made available in the last few days then it stands to reason that all those people who received emails saying it was now available to order would then rush to do so. I mean, even Jason Castro had the same effect when Amazon emails went out saying his album was now available to pre-order. It might not have gone to #1, but I didn’t hear the collective Idol world freaking out when he was sitting pretty in the Amazon bestsellers with many of the above artists. But it’s like as soon as it’s Adam all of a sudden nobody in the history of the world has ever been a bigger star. Too much hype. Just let Adam’s music speak for itself. I’m not anti-Adam, but the over the type hype is ridiculous.

According to Brian Mansfied (posted on Idol Chatter blog):

“American Idol” winner Kris Allen’s debut single, “Live Like We’re Dying” picks up enough Top 40 and Hot AC spinsto enter the American Idol airplay chart at #51. Allen’s versions of “No Boundaries” and “Heartless” are also on the Idol airplay chart.

By Dan MacMedan, USA TODAY
Kris Allen’s Live Like We’re Dying makes the highest debut on this week’s American Idol airplay chart. According to MediaBase, Allen’s debut single picked up 180 spins, enough to put it at #51 on our chart. He enters the Mediabase Hot AC chart at #63 and the Top 40 chart at #93.

Woot, Kris!

ETA: Brie, it’s a big deal for Adam’s album because it’s being pre-ordered ALL OVER THE WORLD and there hasn’t been any promotion for it yet–no single or leak, no press, no picture, no cover photo.

Too much hype. Just let Adam’s music speak for itself.

You have way too much comon sense for the idol world.

I hope Kris’s single does really well. I guess we’ll know after the radio station adds (is that tomorrow?).

I’m very confident that Kris’ single will do well. LLWD is a really good, catchy song so once it gets some more airplay, it should take off.

I do remember not liking Cook’s LO when it first came out and being really worried since it seemed like it never got any airplay. In time, of course, everything turned out fine. IMO, Kris is in a better position because LLWD is a better song.

1. I see Randy is as delusional as ever. He gives “valuablew critiques”? PLEASE

2. That adam lambert article would be ridiculous if I didn’t know the writer. She’s an adam fanatic so I expect this sort of crap from her. I am also one who is tired of the over-hype. It’s gotten to a point where I can’t even hear the name ‘adam lambert’ without wanting to scream.

3. will there be a post on Danny Gokey? he gave a concert/show last night and I saw the videos and it was pretty good.

ETA: Brie, it’s a big deal for Adam’s album because it’s being pre-ordered ALL OVER THE WORLD and there hasn’t been any promotion for it yet’“no single or leak, no press, no picture, no cover photo.

But there has been quite a bit of press for Adam before this quiet period. Brie is absolutely correct, in my view, that the real meausure is longevity, not how fast it spikes up the chart.

Look, it’s good news that it spiked quickly, there’s no denying that. But it’s not enough to make any definitive conclusions about anything.

Of course, it really wouldn’t have mattered if they did or did not tell him.

Won Idol. Has contract. Must sing what he’s told.

But if he had been told, he probably wouldn’t have sung it EXACTLY like The Script singer, and would have made more of an effort to “make it his own.” It sounds like he was under the impression the original track would never see the light of day.

And why does he keep saying it was only released in Germany? That’s far from the truth.

Okay, I get the all over the world bit re: Adam. But my gut still says that shouldn’t the hype wait until it’s been more than a few days? Like I said, I expect the hardcore fans both here and worldwide to scramble to pre-order the first few days it’s available. Then what? Of course it didn’t need promotion those first few days when so many people were already signed up with Amazon to be alerted the second the thing went to pre-order. These were the people who were going to buy the album no matter what, not casual fans IMO.

If the pre-order was just made available in the last few days then it stands to reason that all those people who received emails saying it was now available to order would then rush to do so.

Hi brie200. I think part of the excitement is no emails went out. When people signed up for the email notification, it was on the page for the Hi-Fi recordings pre-Idol album. Obviously a mix-up on Amazon’s part, but no emails went out yesterday. It was solely word of mouth, and reached #28 on the Japanese Amazon top 100 chart in addition to #2 on the US chart.

But there has been quite a bit of press for Adam before this quiet period

IMO, press is not enough. RCA needs to get going on the “adamstorm.” JMHO. Maybe it’s just that I’m chomping at the bit.

I’m really interested to see how Kris’ single does. I don’t think he has gotten enough press from Jive so far. Oh, I don’t know. I’ll just sit back and wait.

ETA: Brie, it’s a big deal for Adam’s album because it’s being pre-ordered ALL OVER THE WORLD and there hasn’t been any promotion for it yet’“no single or leak, no press, no picture, no cover photo.

Is this a joke? There has been plenty of press. He was on the fricking cover of Rolling Stone. The album has been highlighted in more than one major media compilation of highly anticipated fall albums. He got a huge platform on a reality show that gets about 25 million viewers every week. He has done countless interviews during the tour where he talks about the album. No press? No promotion? I don’t think so.

Also, while these numbers for Adam are certainly a good early indicator, it is important to remember that Amazon represents a fraction of all music sales, and being whatever number on the chart there for a day or two (which is all we have at this point) really does not mean much.

Good to see that LLWD charted, even with the somewhat slow burn release Jive has going for it. I’m interested to see what happens this week.

David Cook I Just Died In Your Arms Tonight from last night:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DOS1WxoaUwI&feature=player_profilepage

I actually love beanie-Dave. And he looks schmexy. Hee.

If the pre-order was just made available in the last few days then it stands to reason that all those people who received emails saying it was now available to order would then rush to do so.

I think the reason most people are perhaps overly excited is that Amazon did not send out e-mails in the US as far as I have understood. Plus it has been available for less than 24 hours starting on a Sunday.

True, the music should be allowed to speak for itself but I think it just caught a lot of people off guard, hence the flailing.

ETA: I also think (well, I suppose I could say know) that a lot of Adam fans are desperate for some actual news (aka new music, single leak, whatever) and are grasping for anything at the moment. I’m sure most of us know that one day of Amazon preorders isn’t that big a deal and that time will tell whether it will sell well. But it is fun to go with the flow and the flailing – it ain’t that deep .

If the pre-order was just made available in the last few days then it stands to reason that all those people who received emails saying it was now available to order would then rush to do so.

Based from yesterday’s thread, lots of people knew about the pre-sale here in MJ’s blog and haven’t got any email from amazon about it.

Actually, I don’t get the whole ‘pre-order’ thing at all. First time I ever did it was when I bought Kris’s iTunes pass – and that was because of the other content that came with it. In general, when I want new music, I’ll buy it and download it when it’s released. If I want the physical CD instead of just a download, I guess I can see the temptation of pre-ordering if it gets you the CD a few days earlier than everybody else. But in this day and age of different retail outlets getting different versions of CD’s with different bonus tracks, I’m a bit leary of throwing my money down before I know which version of the CD I want to buy.

In Kris’s case, I will wait and see what version I get from the iTunes pass, compare it to other versions out there, and may consider buying a 2nd (physical copy) depending on how bonus tracks play out. But it would completely defeat the purpose for me to do it now “sight unseen”.

Am I missing something about this whole thing?

I stand corrected on the emails then, but even still Adam fans found out the album was available and acted accordingly. It’s great that it went to #1 and all, but I guess I just don’t see it as the amazing feat that others do. But I’ll leave it alone just by saying that I think the expectations for Adam’s album are a bit overinflated. Yes, I think he will do well. But he’s not one of the biggest musical stars this world has ever seen…not yet. Maybe he’ll get there, but right now he’s still an ex-Idol trying to make it like every other ex-Idol.

But if he had been told, he probably wouldn’t have sung it EXACTLY like The Script singer, and would have made more of an effort to ‘make it his own.’  It sounds like he was under the impression the original track would never see the light of day.

I really doubt that. It may be true that he would have sought to change it up more, but he has nearly no influence over such decisions. If the suits want Kris’ voice over The Scprit’s music, that’s what they are going to get.

Brie, it’s a big deal for Adam’s album because it’s being pre-ordered ALL OVER THE WORLD and there hasn’t been any promotion for it yet’“no single or leak, no press, no picture, no cover photo.

I’m pretty sure the same thing has happened alot with idol releases. I remember Daughtry and Taylor Hick’s CDs doing extremely well on amazon preorders….and yes even better than a Beatles release that came out the same day as Daughtry’s and a couple weeks before Taylor’s ( I followed very closely that year). It really isn’t that big of a deal at all…and there was all so no cover art or CD titles yet back then either. I didn’t follow too close last year but I imagine that Cook’s and Archuletta’s CDs also had huge rankings in preorders. No need to nitpick exact standings I’m just saying that preorders and chart rankings aren’t much to get excited about yet….it’s all in sustained sales that makes or breaks the success of any CD. I mean Daughtry’s latest knocked out Michael Jackson from #1 in sales for the first time after his death so a bunch of headlines made reference to them being more popular, with a question mark of course…..but yeah I love me some Daughtry but I’m not delusional enough to think they’re more popular than Michael Jackson haha.

I get the Amazon excitement, really I do, but for context, weren’t both the Davids in the top 10, like all summer/fall last year? Is this really that unusual?

And why does he keep saying it was only released in Germany? That’s far from the truth.

Maybe that’s what they told him.

will there be a post on Danny Gokey? he gave a concert/show last night and I saw the videos and it was pretty good.

Do you have links to those videos? I’ll post them.

I actually love beanie-Dave. And he looks schmexy. Hee.

I don’t normally love the beanie but last night I was drooling guh. It may have been the beanie combined with the massive arm porn.

I feel like I’m crashing down from a high today. Now I get why some people go to show after show. If I didn’t have a life..and a job I’d probably be doing the same because even 2 shows back to back,you can’t get enough! Oh and the twitter exchange last night between him and Kris. Best. thing.ever. I can’t decide what was better..the ice shift exchange or Jim Cantiello exploding and flailing over it LOL

David Archuleta is included in a 48-page booklet titled “Guys You Love!” It’s available from Amazon as well as other outlets and bookstores. Check out the scans…

Scan 1
Scan 2
Scan 3

And why does he keep saying it was only released in Germany? That’s far from the truth.

He never actually said “only” in Germany. It may have been the only place that came immediately to mind. I don’t get the impression that he is being dishonest…more just that he really doesn’t know much about it and is trying (unsuccessfully) to not say the wrong thing. It’s entirely probable that Kris wouldn’t have known which songs he was given to look over were or were not released previously (esp if he never heard before). It was NOT really fair of them not to make make it known to him. Of course, maybe they didn’t think it would become a big deal.

Oh well, something for future Idols to think about (and do their own asking….lots of bases to cover).

Here’s one more… what the hell. I love ‘Til I’m Blue when MWK does it… I fricking love it when David Cook does it… and especially when he looks hot.

David Cook, if you’re out there, I am going to two shows within a few days of each other… can you plllllleeease do this song at either Richmond or Charlottesville? Please?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CUGsBXoq4l0&feature=autoshare_twitter

Here are some pics of Kris walking arounf L.A. yesterday. He hs a bandaid on his head — evidently from a surfing accident.

(is there where I make a joke about Kris’ tweet to Adam back in August about wantiing to ride Adam’s surfboard???)

http://photo.wenn.com/index.php?action=quicksearch&ppid=97106&version=int

Renina : 2. That adam lambert article would be ridiculous if I didn’t know the writer. She’s an adam fanatic so I expect this sort of crap from her. I am also one who is tired of the over-hype. It’s gotten to a point where I can’t even hear the name ‘adam lambert’ without wanting to scream.

Hmmm… I guess we’re reading different articles because the thing I like the most about Lyndsey Parker is that even though she loves her some Adam she is (and has always been) very respectful to Kris.

Conversely, American Idol winner Kris Allen’s first single, a catchy cover of the Script’s B-side track “Live Like We’re Dying,” has already premiered to largely positive reactions–but his own debut album, which comes out November 17, is still surprisingly only at #132 on the Amazon chart. While it’s safe to assume that Kris’s album will enjoy a stellar first sales week in November, and will probably even enter the Billboard chart at #1, it doesn’t seem to have the same pre-release buzz as Adam’s right now.

Thanks for the info about Hick, Daughtry and Davids. There ain’t many ‘real’ promotion on Adam and his music, so Amazon’s pre-order is problly the only outlet for our flailing

After the Adam buzz, Kris is on #2 at shaker and mover list and its general position moved up too. I’m not saying the former caused the latter. But I couldn’t come up other reason for Kris’ album raising in this period. His album can be pre-ordered since Aug 23rd but didn’t make to as high as in Adam’s case. But of course, this comparison is only a fact and not an indicator for anything.

i agree with brie – both your comments… longetivity and staying power will be key, after the base has done their part in leading the initial charge to pre order… for example, david a’s xmas album was released to amazon usa, as well as worldwide – back in august, in much the same fashion – no cd cover, no announcement, no snippets or single released, and within hours it was at number 10… it’s fluctuated in and out of the top 100 in the overall bestsellers list since, but it’s remained very competitive on the holiday chart, and tops the opera/vocal charts there…

no way to really know what the actual pre order numbers are…the pre orders from domestic sites will be factored into the first week’s sales for soundscan, and amazon’s percentage of cd sales ranges anywhere from 8-10 percent for the us market, much smaller than itunes and big boxes like wal mart who sell much higher percentages of cd’s… every sale counts though, but i’m looking at amazon more and more as an indicator of popularity, not a be and end all how one might expect to see the cd received and sell in the bigger vendors and on itunes…

good luck though to adam, and all the ex idols releasing in the upcoming weeks… it’s real world time now, and all these folks deserve our best support out in the mainstream music marketplace.

Not only did Danny do an 11 song set for over an hour but he told the audience that he would be in the studio Tues and Wed recording 5 singles and that his producer for his upcoming album is the same as Carrie Underwood’s. That is huge news if Danny is working with Mark Bright. He is the producer of all three of Carrie’s albums and several of Rascal Flatts earlier albums. Looks like Danny will be cross-over country/pop. Have not seen any videos yet but the tweeters from the concert were quite impressed. He stayed after the concert to meet fans.

MJ- the whole set from danny’s concert is on this utube account.

http://www.youtube.com/countrygirl101ai

Watched 1 just ok to me.

“David Cook, if you’re out there, I am going to two shows within a few days of each other’ ¦ can you plllllleeease do this song at either Richmond or Charlottesville? Please?”

I second that request. I have not heard him perform this one yet. I will be at both shows, so either one would be nice. That would be awesome!!

Adam is #1 on amazon.com’s chart of “movers and shakers” (YAY)– but look at who is #2 — Kris!!!! (YAY)

http://www.amazon.com/gp/movers-and-shakers/music/ref=pd_ts_m_mte

I second that request. I have not heard him perform this one yet. That would be awesome!!

I haven’t either and I’ve been to… three shows? So… I figure… I’m due!!!

Not only did Danny do an 11 song set for over an hour but he told the audience that he would be in the studio Tues and Wed recording 5 singles and that his producer for his upcoming album is the same as Carrie Underwood’s. That is huge news if Danny is working with Mark Bright. He is the producer of all three of Carrie’s albums and several of Rascal Flatts earlier albums. Looks like Danny will be cross-over country/pop. Have not seen any videos yet but the tweeters from the concert were quite impressed. He stayed after the concert to meet fans.

That’s great for Danny. Looks like he will be the biggest success out of S8 (j/k – too soon to tell) – but still, not a bad start.

Adam’s album hit #2 within 7 hours.
Kris’s album is #123 now.It’s available on amazon since 25sep and the highest number of it doesn’t even break #110…..

I think this is exciting news for Adam, even if it’s marginal overall. We live outside the US, and people here were really talking about it, some because they are mad that they don’t have a US Itunes store acct and can’t order Kris’ single, and so they worry they won’t be able to get Adam’s album right away, or Kris’ (which is also selling well on Amazon). They are having it shipped via Amazon.

On Kris and not being told about the Script release, he sounded sort of angry – the other quotes sounded happy though which made me happy. I don’t know enough about the industry to know if he had a right to expect to be told that, but it was on Youtube for crying out loud! I guess it’s some kind of warning in a way to watch out…They should at least help him get a smooth answer to the question going if this was sprung on him like he says!

Kris is getting NO HELP from his record company on his single or his CD. Or none that I’ve seen.

Jeez. Is it a conspiracy? Do they want him to fail so they can pimp Adam more, who clearly doesn’t need much help?

I’m very disappointed….

Kris’s album is #123 now.It’s available on amazon since 25sep and the highest number of it doesn’t even break #110′ ¦..

MJ had a thread about Kris’ album release dated back to Aug 23rd.

I would never want to predict who will be the biggest success from Season 8. Odds on favorite is Adam, followed by Kris; however, I do think Danny and Allison have a shot as well. If Danny’s music is good, and working with Mark Bright does give optomism to his fans, I think he could do quite well. I also wouldn’t count out Allison either. I wish them all success. I do have to admit the most buzz is definately Adam.

Kris is getting NO HELP from his record company on his single or his CD. Or none that I’ve seen.

Jeez. Is it a conspiracy? Do they want him to fail so they can pimp Adam more, who clearly doesn’t need much help?

I’m very disappointed’ ¦.

I’m sure Kris will get the promotion he needs. For some odd reason the single was released Friday instead of Tuesday as originally reported. However, they probably planned a promotional push for him from Tuesday and couldn’t move it up. If no kind of promotion happens by tomorrow then I might be willing to join you. However, for now, I believe that the promotion will come.

Kris and Adam aren’t on the same labels, so Adam’s promotional budget will not benefit from Kris being buried (if any season 8 contestant would benefit it would be Allison, since she and Kris are both with Jive).

Kris is getting NO HELP from his record company on his single or his CD. Or none that I’ve seen.

Jeez. Is it a conspiracy? Do they want him to fail so they can pimp Adam more, who clearly doesn’t need much help?

I’m very disappointed’ ¦.

Jive has arranged Kris on two of the biggest radio stations to promote his single. He has done several interviews (MTV, EW, popeater and other radio interviews) after the single debut. I won’t call that NO HELP.

Adam is not getting promo from RCA on his single or album. Although his album was listed at some must-have picks. Those are free promo not sth arranged by RCA. We don’t even know the name of his first single yet. Hopefully they can finalize it today (as rumor says) and we can hear some scoop.

This is my first year following AI on the internet, although I watched all the other seasons on TV.

Does this happen every year: “(Insert record company name) is screwing (insert favorite Idol name) because they won’t (promote them / give them good songs / avoid releasing their album at the same time as (insert five other huge established artists names))”?

It is very, very amusing.

Danny Gokey MSMC “My Wish”

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WkOqXQA-VW8&feature=channel_page

He gives an expanded version of his sermon introductory remarks from the tour, now saying “I had a dream, like Martin Luther King.” That’s as far as I got before shutting it off. Sorry Danny.

Does this happen every year: ‘(Insert record company name) is screwing (insert favorite Idol name) because they won’t (promote them / give them good songs / avoid releasing their album at the same time as (insert five other huge established artists names))’ ?

Yes

I’m pretty sure the same thing has happened alot with idol releases. I remember Daughtry and Taylor Hick’s CDs doing extremely well on amazon preorders

I am positive someone will correct me if I am wrong, but I don’t think itunes was in existence in Taylor/Daughtry’s season, was it? If it was it was probably the first year.

And you can’t even compare to last year because as someone pointed out to me earlier, the Davids’ pre-order hit Amazon the week after the finale, not three months later when most of the fan base dwindles down.

Having said that, I also know that Amazon is pretty small potatoes, but it might be a good indicator of how Itunes will be. I pre-ordered the CD on Amazon for my friend because she doesn’t have an Amazon account or an Ipod and wanted me to get it for her. I will be getting mine off Itunes.

Grammy submissions are starting to leak. Only a few categories (and pages within them) have been found – no one has posted the entire lists yet, but here are a few:

http://www.dtguitar.com/gram091.jpg – Page 10 of 12 for Record of the Year (at least 623 entries, likely around 750) – Idols on that page are Jordin Sparks and Ruben Studdard

http://www.dtguitar.com/gram092.jpg – Page 8 of 10 for Album of the Year (likely around 570 entries) – Jordin Sparks on that page

http://www.dtguitar.com/gram093.jpg – Best Rock Instrumental Performance (48 entries) – no Idols

http://www.dtguitar.com/gram094.jpg – Part of Best Rock Album (likely around 160 entries) – no Idols on that page

http://www.jazzhouston.com/downloads/Jazz%20Grammy%20Ballot%202009.pdf – All Jazz categories – no Idols

http://goldderbyforums.latimes.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/3226059864/m/359108803?r=937106033#937106033 – Best R&B album (57 entries) – Melinda Doolittle entered

Kris is getting NO HELP from his record company on his single or his CD. Or none that I’ve seen.

You probably haven’t been around.
He’s getting LOTS of help from his record company. Z100 debut, he went on KIIS (the largest CHR stations), he was on OHP (which means spins in many different radio stations), he was on Billy Bush (another syndicated radio show)… In terms of radio I don’t think it’s possible to do much more than that. Jive is doing their thing. Radio airplay is more important now than first week sales, imo.

To me, that suggests that now that Kris’ single has dropped, more people are interested in his album.

Kris’ album started doing better when Adam’s album was made available for pre-order on Amazon. I think that’s more the reason than the single.

Kris is getting NO HELP from his record company on his single or his CD. Or none that I’ve seen.

I do think it was wrong of them not to tell Kris that the song was a cover, but it’s still a good song for Kris. IMO, they should have made sure it was taken off of YouTube, and this wouldn’t have happened. Pretty much no one had ever heard of it, so his team probably didn’t think media people would ask him about it. I think the YouTube thing was an oversight. It should have nothing to do with Adam. They’re on different labels. (Thank God!)

I still think the song will be a hit. Just wait until it picks up more spins and a banner is added to iTunes. It’ll take off.

Kris’s album is #123 now.It’s available on amazon since 25sep and the highest number of it doesn’t even break #110′ ¦..

Kris has the iTunes Pass that’s been available forever, so it’s not surprising that his Amazon ranking is pretty low.

I am positive someone will correct me if I am wrong, but I don’t think itunes was in existence in Taylor/Daughtry’s season, was it? If it was it was probably the first year.

itunes was definitely around during their season – I remember thinking that AI should have jumped on the itunes bandwagon then to have the singles on the show released on itunes (which they didn’t do until S6 or S7 – forget which one).

I agree that, although Amazon is not the “whole market share” – one positive about it is “free” publicity – as in, a lot of people shop around on Amazon, and just seeing an album near the top of the list may have people asking, hmm, who is this Adam Lambert with his TBD album?

Does anyone know anything about this (I saw this on ontd_ai.com)…?

“ON ADAMOFFICIAL A POST SAYING A TIME FOR MIRACLES SNIPPET HAS BEEN LEAKED/PLAYED ON THE RADIO:

“My friend said this morning he was listening to 92 Pro FM (In Rhode Island) and the radio host people were talking about Kris Allen, then they started to talk about Adam and they played a clip of TFM…He said it was only about 8-10 seconds of a verse, and they stopped right before it went to the chorus. It sounded like “hard Queen, Aerosmith-ish” and “I don’t know how amazing it will do on mainstream radio though, it was kinda heavy”, and he said something like “I think it will either be HUGE or a big mess”……..”

A lot of people bought Kris’ itunes pass and that is the reason why his Amazon ranking is low.
There are others who would rather wait and buy it when it drops but again, looking at where he came from, it’s gone up more than 600% as girlygirly said.

It sounded like ‘hard Queen, Aerosmith-ish’ 

That sounds about right, from the way Adam himself described the song in interviews.

He gives an expanded version of his sermon introductory remarks from the tour, now saying ‘I had a dream, like Martin Luther King.’  That’s as far as I got before shutting it off. Sorry Danny.

Oh, lordy, no. Just no.

That sounds about right, from the way Adam himself described the song in interviews.

I wanna hear it! I guess I’ll have to wait until Thursday night (I am certain it will be played that night…) during the 2012 roadblock.

ETA: No, Danny, no. Talk about your upcoming album…your time on the Tour…your favorite breakfast food…

It sounded like ‘hard Queen, Aerosmith-ish’  and ‘I don’t know how amazing it will do on mainstream radio though, it was kinda heavy’ , and he said something like ‘I think it will either be HUGE or a big mess’ ’ ¦’ ¦..’ 

Hmm – very interesting…

ETA: Knowing the internets and AI-fandom as I do – if this song, even 8-10 secs worth, made it to radio, SOMEWHERE, then it should be available as a leak, like, now.

That adam lambert article would be ridiculous if I didn’t know the writer. She’s an adam fanatic so I expect this sort of crap from her. I am also one who is tired of the over-hype.

You feel the same way I did when I read the OTT comments by Slezak and Jim C. concerning Kris’s single. That was over-hype also. I expected that sort of crap from them just like you did from Lyndsey. It’s the AI bubble, Kris and Adam both have their “fangirls”.

will
September 28, 2009 at 11:39 am
He gives an expanded version of his sermon introductory remarks from the tour, now saying ‘I had a dream, like Martin Luther King.’  That’s as far as I got before shutting it off. Sorry Danny.

See, now this is a big part of Danny’s problem. He doesn’t know when to shut up. I enjoyed him at the Idol shows and might even buy what he puts out. But the blabbering (in person and on twitter) where he puts his foot in it constantly is a big turnoff. *sigh*

Mary102
September 28, 2009 at 11:55 am
ETA: Knowing the internets and AI-fandom as I do ‘“ if this song, even 8-10 secs worth, made it to radio, SOMEWHERE, then it should be available as a leak, like, now.

‘

3………2………1…………LEAK!

tierbee
September 28, 2009 at 10:47 am

David Cook I Just Died In Your Arms Tonight from last night:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DOS1WxoaUwI&feature=player_profilepage

I actually love beanie-Dave. And he looks schmexy. Hee.

I heart beanie-Dave too. I’ve seen that incarnation and the trilby-Dave (not so into that hat). I’m seeing him next at Hammond and am hoping for hair-Dave because he seems to dress a bit more in the execu-Dave mode for Casinos.

and

Balance
September 28, 2009 at 10:53 am

I get the Amazon excitement, really I do, but for context, weren’t both the Davids in the top 10, like all summer/fall last year? Is this really that unusual?

I believe so. I do know Cook was (now watch someone go prove me wrong.

last week Kris’ album was number 900-something on the amazon chart ‘” this week it is up to #123. That is a jump of more than 600%!!!

Nah, Kris’ album was like 700ish before Adam’s album went for preorder yesteray. So the jump was soly because lots people ordered Kris’ too when they ordered Adam’s, it has nothing to do with Kris’ single which dropped a week ago and barely had any effect on Amazon ranking last week.

Adam is now #3 on Amazon. That guy from Will&Grace is #2.

I’m sure they’ll put an ad for Kris’ single on ITune this Tuesday and we’ll see it bounces back on top 100 songs. But what will sustain its ranking is radio spins. Otherwise when the ad’s gone, it will freefall again.

Adam is now #3 on Amazon. That guy from Will&Grace is #2.

Eric McCormack has an album coming out?

OH! You mean Harry Connick Jr.!

Who else think Susan Boyle will top Adam on first week sales? I can just see every grandma and mom get a Boyle CD for Xmas.

No Danny, don’t talk so much. I am sorta almost a fan but those long rambling sermons. Maybe Sony Nashville can put on a muzzle on him.
My fandom is taking a big hit here.

Who else think Susan Boyle will top Adam on first week sales? I can just see every grandma and mom get a Boyle CD for Xmas.

TBH – I am already counting on this. And I hate it – because, as those who know me on MJ’s – I’ve got some issues with SuBo.

I also think Susan Boyle will be #1 that week.

Who else think Susan Boyle will top Adam ….

snort…giggle…!

ETA: my mind is in the gutter today. Whutz up with that?

Not only did Danny do an 11 song set for over an hour but he told the audience that he would be in the studio Tues and Wed recording 5 singles and that his producer for his upcoming album is the same as Carrie Underwood’s. That is huge news if Danny is working with Mark Bright. He is the producer of all three of Carrie’s albums and several of Rascal Flatts earlier albums. Looks like Danny will be cross-over country/pop. Have not seen any videos yet but the tweeters from the concert were quite impressed. He stayed after the concert to meet fans.

It definitely does look like Mark Bright will be producing Danny’s album and I think that’s great news. I love Danny and am happy for him. I enjoyed the videos from last night’s concert, including “I Can Only imagine”.

The speech before “My Wish” didn’t bother me. It’s Danny’s way of connecting with the audience and the audience was made up of a lot of his fans/a lot of people who were there to see him perform.

The fans seemed to enjoy the speech, and once Danny starts doing some tours, more events he’ll probably keep interacting with the audience like that. It’s not for everyone, but his fans/ a lot of people that will go and see him perform won’t have a problem with it, will understand that’s his way of interacting with people. I could see him still having pretty good turnouts at concerts and events, regardless of whether or not he will normally give a speech during his sets.

Danny looked like he really enjoyed himself, and so did his fans, and I am happy to see that. I definitely am excited and interested to hear his first single, and see what happens when his album comes out.

No Danny, don’t talk so much. I am sorta almost a fan but those long rambling sermons. Maybe Sony Nashville can put on a muzzle on him.
My fandom is taking a big hit here.

LOL Tell me about it. I like the guy’s voice, but I just can’t stand when he talks, turns me off. Freaking sermons.
Sing Danny sing.

Who else think Susan Boyle will top Adam on first week sales? I can just see every grandma and mom get a Boyle CD for Xmas.

I can also see those same grandma’s and Mom’s buying Adam’s CD as well

AllenTX
September 28, 2009 at 12:12 pm
Who else think Susan Boyle will top Adam on first week sales? I can just see every grandma and mom get a Boyle CD for Xmas.

I can definitely see this happening. I think she’ll be on Oprah and her sales will be even higher. She’s a perfect story for Oprah. Undiscovered, kind of house-bound, trouble reconciling with fame, she’s an Oprah inspirational book pimping jackpot for the show!

He gives an expanded version of his sermon introductory remarks from the tour, now saying ‘I had a dream, like Martin Luther King.’ 

Oh HElLL NO!!!!!!!!!

Speaking of the Beatles … as we kind of were. Apparently, the woman who had inspired Lennon to write “Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds” has passed away.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5gAbXFXFF8Jy8BrOgximM9cVE3nTwD9B0BLHG2

No matter what meaning evolved behind the song, it seems the initial impetus was pretty innocent.

Sassycatz
September 28, 2009 at 12:46 pm
Speaking of the Beatles ‘ ¦ as we kind of were. Apparently, the woman who had inspired Lennon to write ‘Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds’  has passed away.

Awww, sad. I really want that Beatles box set, gonna have to start hinting about it for my Christmas list..lol.

Who else think Susan Boyle will top Adam ‘ ¦.

She might, and he’s not gonna like it, lol! Actually i am not so sure about that. Does she have an itunes preorder. When she and Adam have their preorders, then I will be impressed if she continues to ‘top’ him. Like everyone is saying Amazon is the small fish, right?

If Kris didn’t know the song was released before he cut it then he could have thought it was a demo and that could explain his exact duplication of the original.
But I think he needs to be aware that the song was released as a B-side in a lot more places than in Germany. Although The Script’s market has been mainly in Europe and Australia so far, their music – if not LLWD – has been released around the world, raising the awareness of some fans everywhere. As someone pointed out the other day the EP which contains LLWD can be purchased in the States on Amazon.

He gives an expanded version of his sermon introductory remarks from the tour, now saying ‘I had a dream, like Martin Luther King.’  That’s as far as I got before shutting it off. Sorry Danny.

I never liked Danny before and like him even less now. Just my opinion, no offense intended

Here’s one more’ ¦ what the hell. I love ‘Til I’m Blue when MWK does it’ ¦ I fricking love it when David Cook does it’ ¦ and especially when he looks hot.

David Cook, if you’re out there, I am going to two shows within a few days of each other’ ¦ can you plllllleeease do this song at either Richmond or Charlottesville? Please?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CUGsBXoq4l0&feature=autoshare_twitter

Thanks Tierbee – fantastic & hot. I love this song so much. If anyone is listening, please let Til I’m Blue, Anodyne, Silver and The Truth be included on the next album.

Suenigma – I would just about die to see “Anodyne” and “The Truth” on his next album.

“Who else think Susan Boyle will top Adam on first week sales? I can just see every grandma and mom get a Boyle CD for Xmas ”

I’m a Grandma of 7 and I want ADAM, not Susan B.

I clicked on the link to listen to Danny’s wish song – I have never heard him sing before – did not really follow AI8 –
but OMG – the yapping was so annoying that I closed the link. Now I see what a lot of people have been saying about his sermony pre-singing. I don’t think I’ll ever go to any of his concert even if someone pays me. so sorry, I tried to listen but can’t stand it, can’t even understand what he was saying.

Suenigma ‘“ I would just about die to see ‘Anodyne’  and ‘The Truth’  on his next album.

Me three! Me three!! LOVE those songs.

Suenigma ‘“ I would just about die to see ‘Anodyne’  and ‘The Truth’  on his next album.

Me three! Me three!! LOVE those songs

Yeah, all four of those songs deserve a much wider audience. And Cook’s voice has improved so dramatically since he recorded Silver and The Truth (less affected and more melodic) for Analog Heart, IMO.

Me three! Me three!! LOVE those songs.

I’m not sure he would put them on the new album. Progression, you know!

This video of last night’s “I Did It For You” is very good, very clear. His eyes seem to be sliding directly towards the camera and I love the collapse onto Kyle’s drumming platform at the end with the casual leg cross.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2bdUvHe4GIQ

Randy Jackson was sounding a wee bit defensive in his interview wasn’t he?Maybe he’ll actually try to be coherent this year as a way of proving he has value.

I love how devoted Danny is to his new and fave genre. An entire 11 song country set! Oh wait, never mind…

And yeah, the sermonizing continues to bug. But I’m sure it’s all part of that big, vague, mishmash of ideas for somehow healing the world through music. Country music of course. Just not at THAT concert, except for one or two songs.

Me three! Me three!! LOVE those songs

Me four!! I wouldn’t mind having “We’re Only Honest” and “Souvenir” too. That would be awesome!! I guess we can dream.

Cook’s next singles are Declaration and Avalanche. They’re to be released October 25. Sony BMG claimed that the two singles will only be released on Rhapsody, iTunes and no music video will be made. It says this on wikipedia.

Cook’s next singles are Declaration and Avalanche. They’re to be released October 25.Sony BMG claimed that the two singles will only be released on Rhapsody, iTunes and no music video will be made.

Was this ever confirmed? I’ve seen rumors about it floating around with different dates attached to it. Not sure if it was ever officially confirmed.

This video of last night’s ‘I Did It For You’  is very good, very clear. His eyes seem to be sliding directly towards the camera and I love the collapse onto Kyle’s drumming platform at the end with the casual leg cross.

That whole set of videos is amazing… made me very excited about my upcoming shows. And wondering how I’ll handle my LiveDave withdrawals when this neverending tour ends

Lyndsey Parker needs to refresh her rock history. Misquoting John Lennon doesn’t do her credibility much good.

I’m very tempted to send this question to Lyndsey: Now that Adam is bigger than the Beatles, we can expect him to change the course of music history when, exactly? Since his actual album comes out in November, I’m thinking we should pencil that in for sometime round about Christmas. Lyndsey should probably start writing up that column right now. The lead time will give her a chance to do a little quote checking.

@DavidArchie will be getting his wisdom teeth pulled out…

# At the dentist. Woo hoo haha. Let’s see if my wisdom teeth are ready to come out yet.

# I’m tweeting while I’m getting my teeth cleaned…. haha.

# The hygienist said “you have nice stretchy cheeks.” Thanks I guess lol.

# So I might be getting my wisdom teeth out tomorrow. It’s the only time I’ve FINALLY been able to get them out!

TheRealJordin: @DavidArchie HAHAHAHA

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_7D7TMqjqYYU/SsD-2AQtaNI/AAAAAAAAAQQ/EUgEbI48Bug/s1600-h/e5i41x.jpg

It says this on wikipedia.

Therfore it’s not true.

I think the Wikipedia entry about singles for David Cook has been thoroughly debunked already. I can’t recall the reason it was obvious, but it was. Some of it might be that both songs are already available now on other outlets, so it would not be exclusive to the named outlets. There were other reasons to discount the entry which I forget.

sorry, but a couple of radio interviews and a rave from EW is not the kind of promo that sells lots of albums. he should be out there performing it on lots of TV shows, there should be pop-up ads about, etc. things so fast now in Pop Culture Land that it’s very hard to catch up if you start running behind.

Twitter party!
http://twitter.com/thedavidcook
I love when he’s bored LOL

# The hygienist said ‘you have nice stretchy cheeks.’  Thanks I guess lol.

I don’t know why but that just fricking cracked me up!

I can’t recall the reason it was obvious, but it was.

I may have faulty recall here (I have three foster puppies, I’m getting no sleep!) but I think originally it was posted with a Sunday date which couldn’t be true. There may have been other reasons but that stuck in my head for some reason, ha!

I’m very tempted to send this question to Lyndsey: Now that Adam is bigger than the Beatles, we can expect him to change the course of music history when, exactly?

This is why I cringed when I saw that headline. As she admitted herself in the first line of her article, she seized on a momentary ranking position on Amazon to make an OTT hyperbole statement likely to rile up anyone who doesn’t already love Adam.

I get that it was totally a joke, but it was gratuitous and unnecessary. And apparently some people are taking her seriously, which is great for her blog hit numbers, but yet again OTT praise for Adam generates an ugly backlash in her comments.

I think the Wikipedia entry about singles for David Cook has been thoroughly debunked already. I can’t recall the reason it was obvious, but it was. Some of it might be that both songs are already available now on other outlets, so it would not be exclusive to the named outlets. There were other reasons to discount the entry which I forget.

Whew! I’m personally glad its not true.

He gives an expanded version of his sermon introductory remarks from the tour, now saying ‘I had a dream, like Martin Luther King.’  That’s as far as I got before shutting it off. Sorry Danny.

It’s speeches like that, before he finally found a genre, that had a cynical friend suggesting that Danny front a Devo tribute band.

Hooray for Twitter parties! Going to have to go take a peek. Can’t think of anything to ask him, my brain is just fried today

# The hygienist said ‘you have nice stretchy cheeks.’  Thanks I guess lol.

Must come from Paula’s attempts to squeeze his head off for rear-view mirror accoutrement.

Cook’s next singles are Declaration and Avalanche.

tierbee:

Was this ever confirmed?

Don’t ask me where I read it, but somewhere I saw something about the source of that statement having a dubious history on Wikipedia and that the ISP didn’t match any place this sort of statement would come from. So I’m thinking no.

sorry, but a couple of radio interviews and a rave from EW is not the kind of promo that sells lots of albums. he should be out there performing it on lots of TV shows, there should be pop-up ads about, etc. things so fast now in Pop Culture Land that it’s very hard to catch up if you start running behind.

He’ll be performing on lots of TV shows and do all that stuff… when there’s an album! The album promo will kick in October. Now it’s single promo, which is done on radio stations.

I get that it was totally a joke, but it was gratuitous and unnecessary. And apparently some people are taking her seriously, which is great for her blog hit numbers, but yet again OTT praise for Adam generates an ugly backlash in her comments.

Oh, I won’t even TOUCH the yahoo comments! First, having to go through 10,000 pages…plus, there are so many hateful comments on that board. Ugh. Just staying away, thank you very much!

And I too am not a huge fan of teh OTT praise, despite the implicit “jokes” about it.

He got a few questions in but was having internet issues so he asked for a raincheck lollol Said he’s going to try later. I think he needs Twitter Anonymous or something for his addiction

Maybe that’s why he resisted Twitter… he knew it was the devil

I’m very tempted to send this question to Lyndsey: Now that Adam is bigger than the Beatles, we can expect him to change the course of music history when, exactly?

DId you read her article past the title?

# The hygienist said ‘you have nice stretchy cheeks.’  Thanks I guess lol.

Now all I can picture is David Archuleta outside with the squirrels collecting acorns.

soverymel:

This is why I cringed when I saw that headline. As she admitted herself in the first line of her article, she seized on a momentary ranking position on Amazon to make an OTT hyperbole statement

I cringed when I saw the headline too, albeit for a different reason. She writes a popular music blog. To use a hugely famous quote from one of the seminal figures in popular music and get it wrong is pretty sloppy.

Honestly, I wish Adam all the best in the world. He’s a charming, funny, brave guy and just because I’m not a fan of his music doesn’t mean I wish him ill. But at this stage of the game silly hyperbole (as opposed to useful, interest-sparking hyperbole *g*) isn’t helping him.

ETA: Chipmunk: DId you read her article past the title?

Yes.

If it is critical to quote Lennon accurately, then what Parker meant to say is that Lambert’s popularity falls somewhere between Jesus and God. Not quite as pithy a headline, but at least it’s accurate now.

Hope that helps.

GaryJ

It’s speeches like that, before he finally found a genre, that had a cynical friend suggesting that Danny front a Devo tribute band.

*dies laughing*

Hey, Devo are touring again! Danny missed an opportunity there.

For those who wish to tear down Kris by comparing Kris’s ranking on Amazon pre-orders chart with Adam’s, let me kindly remind you that this is the first opportunity Adam fans have had to order his album. Kris’s fans have been able to order his album through the iTunes season pass since the finale. You cannot possibly compare what their actual total pre-orders are at this point based on the little information you have.

If it is critical to quote Lennon accurately, then what Parker meant to say is that Lambert’s popularity falls somewhere between Jesus and God.

LOL! Thank you, halfie. That’s MUCH better.

For posterity:

Jesus < Beatles < Lambert < God < Streisand

So [the kid] didn’t know. That sucks.

It’s his business to know.

Well I took Lyndsey’s article for what it was….her first sentence alone cancels the OTT hyperbole of the title, because it was all a bit tongue in cheek, to me anyways

I still chuckle at her fangirlsm though.I cant wait for the lolzy snark from her comments though, like HWC’s classic snark on Cantiello and Slezk yesterday. Still lollong from that thread

Jive hasn’t done anything wrong or different with Kris. He won’t be on the major talk shows until the week or two prior to his CD release. They aren’t going to blow their wad the first week a single is out on iTunes. If his song isn’t going anywhere six weeks from now then we can assume Jive didn’t buy him a hit like they did for Archie and Jordin, and people will then be free to complain about the lack of illegal activity on Kris Allen’s behalf.

Adam is now #3 on Amazon. That guy from Will&Grace is #2.

Eric McCormack has an album coming out?

OH! You mean Harry Connick Jr.!

I forgot he was on Will and Grace. I think it was period of time I’ve been trying to suppress.

halfie
September 28, 2009 at 3:04 pm
For posterity:

Jesus < Beatles < Lambert < God < Streisand

LMAO!!!!! IS Connick God now?

For those who wish to tear down Kris by comparing Kris’s ranking on Amazon pre-orders chart with Adam’s, let me kindly remind you that this is the first opportunity Adam fans have had to order his album. Kris’s fans have been able to order his album through the iTunes season pass since the finale. You cannot possibly compare what their actual total pre-orders are at this point based on the little information you have.

I cringe when i see these comparisons . it’s unnecessary becos the competiton ended ages ago . but what can u do?. people will always compare. It looks like the comparisons b/w cook and Archuleta has stopped so I am hoping one day soon the ones b/w kris and Adam wld stop.

Does this happen every year: ‘(Insert record company name) is screwing (insert favorite Idol name) because they won’t (promote them / give them good songs / avoid releasing their album at the same time as (insert five other huge established artists names))’ ?

Every year. Somebody should write a blues song: “Somebody Done Did My Idol Wrong”. Of course, no blues songs would ever get sung on American Idol, but…

These kids are caught between a rock and hard place. Normally, a new artist records a CD on the cheap and is over the moon if it sells 100,000 copies. The Idols have big budgets, obscene money spent on singles, and videos, and radio station promo ($500,000 and up per song), so the only way they can even break even is to sell a million copies. Of course, they don’t know what they are doing so the odds of recording something even remotely creative are next to nothing. So the record label takes the blame.

Taylor fans like to complain that RCA screwed him, but I’m not sure that he didn’t say “hell, no” to singles and music videos. He’s a saavy guy and understands that this is a bottom line business. He may have been smart enough to know that he was never going to be the next Brittney Spears and that the money to foolishly attempt to push anything he would ever record to radio would be wasted. He also knew that every dime RCA spent was ultimately coming out of his pocket. He never did the single. Never did the music video. Never did the radio payola. And, instead of playing radio station concerts for free, put together a legitimate tour that sold well and probably even turned a profit, even with a full band. This top 40 game is high stakes poker and everyone (labels, producers, songwriters, etc.) are gambling with t he artists share of royalties.

New article about DonorsChoose and Adam

Did someone already post this?

“I am unbelievably moved by the generosity and resolve of my fans, who have donated beyond what I could have ever expected to help students around the country,” said Adam Lambert. “Although I was on tour during the length of the competition, I frequently checked in on the challenge progress and was so amazed to see the number of donors and total amount donated continue to rise and rise.”

Here’s a quote from above article.

adamaloha
September 28, 2009 at 3:31 pm
New article about DonorsChoose and Adam

Did someone already post this?

Very nice, adamaloha! I enjoyed reading that.

adamaloha
September 28, 2009 at 3:31 pm
New article about DonorsChoose and Adam

Wow, incredibly great article. I love that they quoted a teacher whose project was funded. Very nice and very great cause.

Loved that!

halfie
September 28, 2009 at 2:58 pm
If it is critical to quote Lennon accurately, then what Parker meant to say is that Lambert’s popularity falls somewhere between Jesus and God. Not quite as pithy a headline, but at least it’s accurate now.

Hope that helps.

While I am very familiar with Lennon’s quote, I only took Lyndsey’s play on words to mean that Adam was beating out all the Beatles’ remasters that are on the top 100 chart. Not that he’s becoming “bigger than Jesus” anytime soon – although I realize by implication that’s what hardcore Beatles’ fans are reading. I thought it was cute, albeit too OTT.

ETA: halfie, I really do think your comment is great! You just can’t see my grin on the internet.

While I am very familiar with Lennon’s quote, I only took Lyndsey’s play on words to mean that Adam was beating out all the Beatles’ remasters that are on the top 100 chart. Not that he’s becoming ‘bigger than Jesus’  anytime soon ‘“ although I realize by implication that’s what hardcore Beatles’ fans are reading. I thought it was cute, albeit too OTT.

We are reading it exactly the same way. I was engaging in a wee bit o’ satire.

ETA to Rowen’s ETA: Right back atcha, then.

I guess it’s a cringe-y day all around.

When I read this: thedavidcook Also, Happy Yom Kippur to all who celebrate it.

All I could think was Oy, expecting he’d get pasted for it.

I don’t read his replies, but I’m glad he later posted this: thedavidcook i apologize if anyone is offended by my referencing yom kippur. what is an appropriate way to say it, so i dont make the same mistake?

Good for him for making an honest apology and for not getting defensive.

halfie
September 28, 2009 at 3:52 pm
We are reading it exactly the same way. I was engaging in a wee bit o’ satire.

Yeah, I sometimes miss that – especially when I’m at work and supposed to BE working. LOL

I really did laugh at your comment, halfie. I’m just a little slow on the uptake today I think…;)

David C Tweet

i apologize if anyone is offended by my referencing yom kippur. what is an appropriate way to say it, so i dont make the same mistake?

What would you say? He said ‘Happy Yom Kippur’ – I take it that’s incorrect….

Squirrely, Yom Kippur is a day of atonement and reflection. It is not a day for celebration. ETA: So you wouldn’t say “Happy,” IOW.

Yeah, I’m also curious to know what’s the correct way to say it.
But I think it was nice of him to acknowledge the day, even if he did it in a incorrect way…

Squirrely, Yom Kippur is a day of atonement and reflection. It is not a day for celebration.

I worked in a Jewish nursing home for 8 years but it was so long ago I don’t remember what a lot of the holidays stand for, now I remember this as an emotional one. I still don’t recall how I would acknowledge it when speaking to someone who observes it.

That’s why I never say anything. I’m not a religious person and it’s bad enough that I don’t even know the ins and outs of christianity, which theoretically I was raised in.

Yeah, I’m also curious to know what’s the correct way to say it.

We say “Gmar Chatima Tova” (may you be sealed in the book of life)

I’m not a religious person and it’s bad enough that I don’t even know the ins and outs of christianity, which theoretically I was raised in.

Put either ‘Happy’ or ‘Merry’ in front of the holiday name and you are all set.

I don’t know, maybe it’s better no to acknowledge something like Yom Kippur at all if you are unsure of the correct way to ay it, rather than risk accidentally offending anyone.

You just say Happy New Year before and after Yom Kippur (24 hours). Especially during the break fast, which occurs in about 90 minutes from now for my parents.

I heart David Cook. And Avalanche is one of my favorite singles after Permanent, Lie to Me, and My Last Request, so I hoped that would be the next single released. It’s very radio friendly, IMO.

Put either ‘Happy’ or ‘Merry’ in front of the holiday name and you are all set.

I don’t think happy or merry Good Friday would work…. Sorry, I’m just pulling your leg. (Don’t mean to be irreverent.)

Jordin Sparks new single SOS (Let The Music Play ) goes for adds at Pop radio tomorrow and though it is not getting much play or selling that many downloads yet in the US it is doing very well in the UK. it is up to #14 on their itunes chart . Jordin will be going over there in October around the 13th for some promo. she has one thing at least confirmed on that date.

i am looking foward to Jordin’s appearance on Suite Life On Deck October 23rd . it should be good exposure for her as it has really good ratings according to this.

http://tvbythenumbers.com/2009/05/11/disney-channel-orders-more-the-suite-life-on-deck/18461

A ratings juggernaut since its September 2008 premiere, ‘The Suite Life on Deck’  ranked as TV’s #1 series among Kids 6-11 and the #1 scripted TV series among Tweens 9-14 for all of 2008. Since then, ‘The Suite Life on Deck’  has enjoyed smooth sailing with original episodes holding a commanding lead in the timeslot (Friday 8:00 p.m.), ranking as TV’s #1 program among the key kid demographics, virtually doubling runner up Nickelodeon among Tweens 9-14 (1.7 million vs. 878,000), and defeating it by a whopping 58% among Kids 6-11 (1.9 million vs. 1.2 million). In addition, ‘The Suite Life on Deck’  is #1 in Total Viewers (4.1 million) on all cable, outperforming #2 rank (Fox News and Nickelodeon) by 24%, or an impressive 800,000 viewers. Premiere to date, ‘The Suite Life on Deck’  improved its primary Friday 8:00 p.m. time period, surpassing year-ago averages by 32% in Total Viewers, by 46% in Kids 6-11 (1.9 million vs. 1.3 million) and by 55% in Tweens 9-14 (1.7 million vs. 1.1 million).

I don’t know, maybe it’s better no to acknowledge something like Yom Kippur at all if you are unsure of the correct way to ay it, rather than risk accidentally offending anyone.

In David’s defensive it’s reflex to wish someone a happy holiday. Heck we say happy Memorial Day, Happy Labor Day – what’s so happy about those holidays….

Aw, I saw that too and some of the comments, I think he handled it well with his following tweet. Lesson learned and not a big deal, at all, I’d hope.

Put either ‘Happy’ or ‘Merry’ in front of the holiday name and you are all set.

Ha, true.

We say ‘Gmar Chatima Tova’  (may you be sealed in the book of life)

Thanks!

I don’t know, maybe it’s better no to acknowledge something like Yom Kippur at all if you are unsure of the correct way to ay it, rather than risk accidentally offending anyone.

Eh, I think it’s better to show good intentions and acknowledge it than to be afraid of getting it wrong, now at least he’ll learn. (And so did some of us lol) Honestly, is it that offensive to say “Happy”? Could be the wrong way, but obviously he wants no harm, and that’s what should matter.

thedavidcook i apologize if anyone is offended by my referencing yom kippur. what is an appropriate way to say it, so i dont make the same mistake?

Good for him for making an honest apology and for not getting defensive.

I was just gonna post an inquiry here about that, and as usual, commenters at MJ’s came through the the answer already. Dude, I grew up in NY and I knew Yom Kippur is a day of atonement, but I never knew you can’t say Happy Yom Kippur! Makes sense though. I learned something new, and I see DC did as well. Didn’t check the twitter replies to DC– was he really torn apart for that? Yikes. It was an honest mistake. Glad he apologized. I wonder if Andy or Ryan Star said anything to him…?

Avalanche is one of my favorite singles after Permanent, Lie to Me, and My Last Request, so I hoped that would be the next single released. It’s very radio friendly, IMO.

I think it’s a beautiful song and starts great, but it’s one refrain too long for a great radio song. The last third of the song just starts to drag and repeat itself. Also, I’m unconvinced of this rumor.

In David’s defensive it’s reflex to wish someone a happy holiday. Heck we say happy Memorial Day, Happy Labor Day ‘“ what’s so happy about those holidays’ ¦.

LOL, really – do people even know what those holidays mean? Of course we have HAPPY COLUMBUS DAY and I’m still not sure what we’re happy about . I think the he had good intentions, and that he honestly wants to know how to say it right, and that it is such a small thing that it’s a shame that people take offense. Now he got a little bit of education, and so did some of us here (like me), and there you go .

So hopefully no holiday-gate, eh? I’d rather paddle in the shallow end again and watch those videos from his show last night because… well, he looked shallow-end worthy!

LOL Poor guy… I guess he feels really bad about it awww

@thedavidcook: sorry of i offended anyone referencing yom kippur. certainly not my intent. i plead ignorance and apoligize to anyone offended.

leome

Honestly, is it that offensive to say ‘Happy’ ?

It’s… tone deaf, is maybe the best way to put it. But personally I hope like hell he *wasn’t* torn apart for it (and that’s what my “Oy” was for — fearing that he might be), because a) you’re right, he meant well and b) he apologized well. So hopefully no gate. : )

ETA: LOL Poor guy’ ¦ I guess he feels really bad about it

Oh dear. I get the impression that nobody is as hard on David as he is on himself.

As for other matters, I can’t wait to get to a different computer so I can see those videos from last night. You all are making me antsy. Sounds like it was another awesome concert.

New article about DonorsChoose and Adam

Did someone already post this?

Fantastic article!

In David’s defensive it’s reflex to wish someone a happy holiday. Heck we say happy Memorial Day, Happy Labor Day ‘“ what’s so happy about those holidays’ ¦.

…the happy thing is the day off…

In David’s defensive it’s reflex to wish someone a happy holiday. Heck we say happy Memorial Day, Happy Labor Day ‘“ what’s so happy about those holidays’ ¦.

‘ ¦the happy thing is the day off’ ¦

very very true!

I don’t often hear people saying “Happy Ash Wednesday” or “Happy Good Friday.”

I don’t often hear people saying ‘Happy Ash Wednesday’  or ‘Happy Good Friday.’ 

But would you be offended if someone said that?

I went on twitter, and noticed Yom Kippur was trending, so I clicked on it to scan the tweets. Half those tweets say Happy Yom Kippur! I’m not saying it makes it okay, but it’s just interesting that this “ignorance” is pretty widespread.

That said, I’m glad he apologized, and handled it well. I’m NOT glad that he mispelled or typo’d “apologize”. He should apologize for that =P. (Kidding)

ETA: “You know, I think David Cook may have mentioned Yom Kippur partly because Ryan Star recently opened for him at two shows. ”

Andy is Jewish too. I don’t know if he practices though.

You know, I think David Cook may have mentioned Yom Kippur partly because Ryan Star recently opened for him at two shows. I think Ryan tweeted about fasting, and DC might have been a little more aware of the Jewish holidays because of his friend Ryan.

Anyway, I, too, am looking forward to getting home and seeing new vids of Cookie and his band.

That Yahoo article about Adam being bigger than the Beatles is textbook for turning people off. Ditto for the OTT comments from the fans and h8ters. Articles like that are best ignored or handled with humor . If people take it too seriously they look like fools.

Sweet of Cook to apologize. Lots of people have trouble with this. It’s nice that he made the effort.

I don’t often hear people saying ‘Happy Ash Wednesday’  or ‘Happy Good Friday.’ 

Well, is Ash Wednesday even observed by anyone anymore? As for Good Friday (why is called good anyway – we call it Long Friday) we just put it in under the Easter umbrella and say Happy Easter. Of course it might be different for people who are actually religious (won’t find many of them in my country ).

ETA: oops, forgot about the Catholics – they probably observe (in theory at least) Lent.

I agree, jpfan.

It’s’ ¦ tone deaf, is maybe the best way to put it.

Thanks for explaining it The Happy real doesn’t go well with it.

Lyndsey Parker never said Adam was bigger than the Beatles. She was referring to the album. Huge difference.

Don’t forget Kris was on Ryan’s radio program to promote his single which has a huge audience.

Lyndsey Parker never said Adam was bigger than the Beatles. She was referring to the album. Huge difference.

An infinite gap to some may be a crack in the pavement to others. People see, read, and hear what they want to see, read, and hear. Goes both ways of course.

Not that anyone cares but I thought I’d add some estrogen to this thread.

Allison4Realzzz: Sup peeps!! Good morning to you all. On ma waayyy to a recording session.. Back on my feet.The right amount of manliness in my voice is back

Allison4Realzzz: Sup peeps!! Good morning to you all. On ma waayyy to a recording session.. Back on my feet.The right amount of manliness in my voice is back

Good for her – anyone know when her single is supposed to come out, or how the album is coming along?

Well, is Ash Wednesday even observed by anyone anymore? As for Good Friday (why is called good anyway ‘“ we call it Long Friday) we just put it in under the Easter umbrella and say Happy Easter. Of course it might be different for people who are actually religious (won’t find many of them in my country ).

The U.S. appears to be a much more religious country than many of it’s western counterparts, at least according to surveys and polls. So, yes, I have noticed a lot of people with ash marks on their foreheads on Ash Wednesday in the U.S.

As for why “Good Friday” is called good, I have no idea. But, just doing a google search, two links came up that suggest similar reasons and that sound reasonable:

http://www.kencollins.com/question-11.htm
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Why_is_it_called_Good_Friday

SOC Convention Megan Joy
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DsvWegcR9Cg&feature=channel

Description of the event here:
Monday, September 28, 2009
Our Trip to Salt Lake City to the SendOutCards Convention
http://beingbruce.blogspot.com/2009/09/our-trip-to-salt-lake-city-to.html

“American Idol finalist Megan Joy, who’s also a SendOutCards distributor, appeared at the convention on Saturday morning and sang two original songs.”

Kris also promoted on WPLJ last week, right after Z100. They are the top two stations in NY/NJ/CT. Z100 may have some of their shows syndicated, not sure. I’m a PLJ gal myself.

Mattt Giraud Interview on “What’s The Buzz” with Taryn Brillon – ABC News Now 9/28/09
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C2rIKKm9ChU

Can’t watch youtube at work…what’s Matt being interviewed for?? How did it go?? I’m hoping he gets some industry interest, would like him to do well!

The U.S. appears to be a much more religious country than many of it’s western counterparts, at least according to surveys and polls. So, yes, I have noticed a lot of people with ash marks on their foreheads on Ash Wednesday in the U.S.

True, of course – I knew that. Religion is interesting but a bit scary and it’s easy to forget that it actually rules a lot of people’s lives when it is so far away from your own daily routine.

ETA: and thank you for the Good Friday link but it did make me wonder why we say Long Friday. I always thought it came from German, but apparently not. Ah well, it’s not that important.

Ashley19
September 28, 2009 at 4:07 pm
Yeah, I’m also curious to know what’s the correct way to say it.

We say ‘Gmar Chatima Tova’  (may you be sealed in the book of life)

May we all be inscribed in the Book of the Good Life

Adam says he’s no puppet:

http://www.eonline.com/uberblog/b146348_adam_lambert_swears_hes_no_idol_puppet.html

Could that be true?

(sorry if that was already posted)

Matty tweets about the interview and writing

Lunch with ze famous, ze brilliant, @dannyboythepipe work those shades! http://twitpic.com/jj0g7
29 minutes ago from Echofon

Writing with @dannyboythepipe and his wife Leah here in LA. These guys are great and we gon’ write these hits!! Add him! He’s pretty funny!
about 1 hour ago from Echofon

The interview went well. And I def got some pics at the famous news desk pullin’ a Ron Burgundy.Walking in to my FIRST ever writing session
about 4 hours ago from Echofon

Meeting Peter Jennings in the dressing and showing him my best newsworthy facial expression. http://twitpic.com/ji124
about 5 hours ago from Echofon

@TroyACM I will. I will…for the streets
about 5 hours ago from Echofon in reply to TroyACM

On my way to the interview on ABC. Then off to my writing session! I’m really excited about some of the music that’s coming together for u!!
about 6 hours ago from Echofon

Adam says he’s no puppet:

http://www.eonline.com/uberblog/b146348_adam_lambert_swears_hes_no_idol_puppet.html

Could that be true?

(sorry if that was already posted)

MJ commented in the Adam/Amazon thread earlier that the quotes sounded familiar. I think this article is recycling quotes from right before tour and adding the Donorschoose.org. I think Adam is probably subject to the whims of the record company just like every other contestant. Some choose to play along and fight for small artistic victories along the way, some choose to fight at every junction and risk no promotion for the album from a pissed off record company and some choose not to fight at all.

I would imagine that Adam falls into category 1. The short time frame for the recording of the album requires major cooperation between artist and label and I imagine that Adam knows that.

Glad to have Danny, Matt and Megan’s news.

Anyone miss Allison, our Allison? Because of her, I hope we can have some Anoop news.

Danny Gokey at Saint Mary College in Newburgh, NY on Sunday 09/27/09

Gokey Street Meeting Danny
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bNHE7rSEgUI

Good for her ‘“ anyone know when her single is supposed to come out, or how the album is coming along?

Still no date on the single, album seems to be coming along well, still recording and she’s also auditioning for band members. Her family had a welcome back party for her on Saturday night, so she’s also getting to have some fun at home.

YAY, MATT!!! He lost the fauxhawk. He says he has an album he is working on and felt very honored re: #signmattgiraud.

New article about DonorsChoose and Adam

Did someone already post this?

That’s actually a press release, not an article. Info from that should be showing up in online articles today and tomorrow. I’ll probably write something up on it.

Still no date on the single, album seems to be coming along well, still recording and she’s also auditioning for band members. Her family had a welcome back party for her on Saturday night, so she’s also getting to have some fun at home.

So, she’s putting together a band – great. I think that is the right direction for her . Also nice that she gets a bit of time for fun – all work and no play must be even worse when you’re a teen. It will be very interesting to see what direction she’ll be pushed in by Jive – I will want to check out that single when it comes out.

ETA: and thank you for the Good Friday link but it did make me wonder why we say Long Friday. I always thought it came from German, but apparently not. Ah well, it’s not that important.

I guess “Long Friday” is used in all Nordic languages? At least it is in Swedish and Finnish in addition to Danish. As a child I always thought it was called “Long Friday” because you couldn’t really go anywhere… Everything was closed; so the day literally was looooong

ETA: Just to make this somehow relevant to AI… Great news about DonorsChoose.org!

Info from that should be showing up in online articles today and tomorrow. I’ll probably write something up on it.

Sweet!

Megan has a rich voice – I like it!

SOC Convention Megan Joy
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DsvWegcR9Cg&feature=channel

“ETA: oops, forgot about the Catholics ‘“ they probably observe (in theory at least) Lent.” — LOB

Yup, don’t forget the Catholics. More than in theory.

I think David Cook was merely aknowledging Yom Kippur to his friends and fans. I’d give him a break.

“It’s a cruel joke that the holiday where Jews have to fast has a word in it that sounds like YUM and NOM combined. That’s just mean, @god.
about 7 hours ago from txt ” — this is Jim Cantiello’s take on it.

on behalf of David Cook, Happy Monday to all

I guess ‘Long Friday’  is used in all Nordic languages? At least it is in Swedish and Finnish in addition to Danish. As a child I always thought it was called ‘Long Friday’  because you couldn’t really go anywhere’ ¦ Everything was closed; so the day literally was looooong

Guess so. Well Danish, Swedish and Norwegian are really similar so that’s not surprising – but Finnish too? Huh. I couldn’t help but check it out and Long Friday actually comes from old English “langa frigedà ¦g” (adopted around year 1100-1500, makes sense). So, I guess the English speakers strayed more than we did .

Sorry MJ if this “appropriate naming of religious holidays”-theme strayed too far from the original Yom Kippur tweet from David Cook.

ETA: evanjane – I’ll try not to forget the Catholics ever again (I only know one and I doubt he’s especially devout).

Megan has a rich voice ‘“ I like it!

She really does have a very unique and interesting voice. (in a good way) She should have sang that on the tour.

I’m not sure where this fits, but a new single by The Script (who wrote 2 of the songs on Kris’ album) dropped today according to FMQB. It’s called Break Even.

New Song From The Script

ETA: It’s dropping tomorrow. Oopsie!

I’m not sure where this fits, but a new single by The Script (who wrote 2 of the songs on Kris’ album) dropped today according to FMQB. It’s called Break Even.

New Song From The Script

ETA: It’s dropping tomorrow. Oopsie!

the date on the video is August 11, 2008

New Song From The Script

ETA: It’s dropping tomorrow. Oopsie!

They are ok, but they really don’t impress me much.

New Song From The Script

ETA: It’s dropping tomorrow. Oopsie!

the date on the video is August 11, 2008

Well, The Script are rather big in several countries in Europe and around the world. I’m sure this is just the US single release meaning that the song was released internationally ages ago.

Megan has a rich voice ‘“ I like it!

She really does have a very unique and interesting voice. (in a good way) She should have sang that on the tour.

She sang Black Horse and The Cherry Tree in the Wildcard round

IMO, not very good and it doesn’t look much better to me in this video.

Lyndsey Parker never said Adam was bigger than the Beatles. She was referring to the album. Huge difference.

It’s funny on the one hand Adams buzz is only internet buzz and only us cray cray fans know about him, on the other hand a rather obsure column is gonna create this tidal wave of negative backlash. What’s it gonna be?

I’m not sure where this fits, but a new single by The Script (who wrote 2 of the songs on Kris’ album) dropped today according to FMQB. It’s called Break Even.

It’s on the album “The Script”, which I happen to have playing right now. I’ve become somewhat addicted to “Break Even”. If that’s their upcoming single, I sure hope that it’s a hit. I’m giving it plenty of spins here.

the date on the video is August 11, 2008

Yes. The song is from their first album. They’re getting launched in the Us by Sony.

“Taylor fans like to complain that RCA screwed him, but I’m not sure that he didn’t say ‘hell, no’  to singles and music videos. He’s a saavy guy and understands that this is a bottom line business. He may have been smart enough to know that he was never going to be the next Brittney Spears and that the money to foolishly attempt to push anything he would ever record to radio would be wasted. He also knew that every dime RCA spent was ultimately coming out of his pocket. He never did the single. Never did the music video. Never did the radio payola. And, instead of playing radio station concerts for free, put together a legitimate tour that sold well and probably even turned a profit, even with a full band. This top 40 game is high stakes poker and everyone (labels, producers, songwriters, etc.) are gambling with t he artists share of royalties.” HWC

So you’re saying you believe Taylor Hicks pocketed most of $1,000,000.00 contract, instead of using it for promotion, videos and singles? But, he did pay out of pocket for a profitable tour? In essence you’re saying Taylor Hicks was able to do whatever the hell he wanted to do with the contract he won as winner of American Idol. Interesting. I just am a little skeptical that he could wield such power. I certainly don’t know the inner workings of the “biz” or what the contracts entail. I read that Taylor Hicks refused to work on his album while touring. Perhaps, TPTB just washed their hands of Taylor after hitting a brick wall time and time again. A nicer slant on it than the old Taylor/bus notion.

yinyang: It’s on the album ‘The Script’ , which I happen to have playing right now. I’ve become somewhat addicted to ‘Break Even’ . If that’s their upcoming single, I sure hope that it’s a hit. I’m giving it plenty of spins here.

I like it, too. Cool that I never even heard of the Script before the Kris LLWD brouhaha.

I’ll buy Break Even. Although not LLWD. Can’t get into that song.

that was brilliant from Sony: Have Kris sings a Script B-side songs (and tell him afterward that it was already released) and ride on Kris momentum as the AI to make The Script better known in the U.S and then release their album in the U.S.

I have to say that I downloaded a live EP and the studio album from The Script after hearing about them from the LLWD publicity. And now I can’t stop listening to them. “Breakeven” is a beautiful, angsty song about being one person being anable to move on from a failed relationship, while the other person has already let go and moved on.

This cross-promotion might work in two ways — Kris’ single can bring The Script some more notice in the US, while covering The Script’s song can help Kris gain notice overseas — particularly in the UK and Ireland, where the band are already enormously popular.

Meanwhile, Matt tweeted about having lunch with Daniel James Pringle — and that he is going to be writing with this guy and his wife.

I tried googling him and came up with the fact that Pringle and his wife co-wrote a song for Selena Gomez, but nothing more than that. Anyone have any other info on them?

that was brilliant from Sony: Have Kris sings a Script B-side songs (and tell him afterward that it was already released) and ride on Kris momentum as the AI to make The Script better known in the U.S

Yeah, and it sounds like Kris is recording another of their songs. Plus, they’re opening for David Cook starting in November, and doing that gig with Kris in October. Sony is using Idol fanbases to get these guys launched. Kind of interesting strategy. I remember their video of “The Man Who Can’t Be Moved” getting Vh1 play, but I didn’t pay much attention to them. Now, their name keeps turning up in Idol-related blogs and articles.

That Yahoo article about Adam being bigger than the Beatles is textbook for turning people off. Ditto for the OTT comments from the fans and h8ters. Articles like that are best ignored or handled with humor . If people take it too seriously they look like fools.

Agree. Also Lyndsey and people that commented on that article prob didn’t see the price for the Beatles ($194). I definitely wanted to get these Beatles re-mastered CDs but have to buy them 2-3 at a time..

P.S. – I don’t want to look through this whole thread — did anyone post the photos of a goated Adam that were posted over on ontd_ai.com?

Adam looks different with the facial hair…still gorgeous, but different. I wasn’t sure it was actually him!

Another very good review of LLWD. And now someone outside the AI fan universe is in print questioning why Jive isn’t promoting Kris’ single more enthusiastically

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/musicnightlife/2009958535_webkrisallen28.html?cmpid=2628

The Script have had good success in the UK. It’s interesting that they’re being promoted in the US; much bigger artists haven’t bothered or have failed miserably. Though their music is more mainstream, so they could have some success.

I’m liking LLWD the more I listen to it. Definitely a grower.

I’ve been listening to The Script all day – we cry, before the worst, breakeven, man who can’t be moved. Love these songs,love the wordiness. I like kris but do not think llwd is as good as these other script songs (which is not to say I don’t think it will be a hit – just think it is not as good a song as other script songs) interesting if as others have speculated sony is trying to have the script piggyback on kris in us and vice versa in the uk

Review of LLWD from Seattle Times:

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/musicnightlife/2009958535_webkrisallen28.html?cmpid=2628

I’ll be interested to see or hear anything about Kris’ visit here in London. Nothing so far.

did anyone post the photos of a goateed Adam

posted numerous times on the Adam’s album thread.

“Well, The Script are rather big in several countries in Europe and around the world. I’m sure this is just the US single release meaning that the song was released internationally ages ago.” —LOB

The Script’s video “man who can’t be moved” was played on VH-1 Top 20 Countdown, but I haven’t found any US chart activity on the song. Their first release in the UK was We Cry. The Man Who Can’t Be Moved was their second release and did very well with a #2 charting. Breakeven was the third single released in Ireland and the UK in November of 2008. “Talk You Down” was released in March 2009.

Breakeven may very well be considered The Script’s first official US release, although, Man Who Can’t Be Moved was a prominent video on VH-1.

Yes, Mtlfan, The Script is benefiting very nicely with Kris releasing LLWD. As long as, Kris benefits from it as well. Right now I have mixed feelings because of the negativity floating around, but the majority of people with any sense at all gets it for what it is — the association when all is said and done will have benefited both.

So you’re saying you believe Taylor Hicks pocketed most of $1,000,000.00 contract, instead of using it for promotion, videos and singles?

The winner of AI does not receive a million bucks to record a record. I’ll never understand where this old wives tale came from. The winner of AI wins a recording contract. The record company agrees to finance upfront money out of the potential profit of the album…but (by law) the recording artist must be paid a percentage (negotiated) of ANY monies earned from the album, not withstanding whether it makes a profit or not. Singers cannot be slave labor to the recording company.

I would surmise that most albums really end up in the red for the recording company. The artist does not have to pay back any monies spent that were not recouped by the sales. Also, personal appearances (less expenses) are usually reserved for the Artist. Sales, and radio spins revert back to the record company.

So, no, Taylor wasn’t being a thrifty old Scotsman. His music just didn’t appeal to a wide genre and the record company didn’t want to waste money promoting songs that had no chance of selling and recouping any monies they would spend on promo and videos, etc. Besides…if a million dollar check was handed to the AI winner my bets is that many of them would just say thanks and head off to greener pastures instead of gambling on their own success.

That’s funny about the $1,000,000 contract. I, for one, must have read it somewhere. I usually don’t pick random numbers out of the air. At this moment, I can clearly envision Ryan Seacrest saying it …

I certainly don’t know where it started, but it seems to be a well-established rumor in the Idol world.

Meanwhile, Matt tweeted about having lunch with Daniel James Pringle ‘” and that he is going to be writing with this guy and his wife.

I tried googling him and came up with the fact that Pringle and his wife co-wrote a song for Selena Gomez, but nothing more than that. Anyone have any other info on them?

His ASCAP entries have very few performers mentioned and if they have, the most have a Disney connection. He even had a cooperation with Kara for a soundtrack. I think also something out of the Disney universe.

Just thought to post this here for those who might be interested.

“@BlakeLewis Just put up 3 new songs on my myspace page!!!! take a listen. OCT. 8th Cd Release at the ROXY in hollywood.”

(http://www.myspace.com/blakelewis)

Both ‘Sad Song’ and ‘Heartbreak on Vinyl’ have already been previewed here, but ‘Binary Love’ and ‘Afraid’ are new. I like ‘Sad Song’ but agree with others saying that it is a bit monotonous, but am really liking the others.

from Adamlambert

Headin into studio w Linda Perry!!!
24 minutes ago from Echofon

This is my first year following AI on the internet, although I watched all the other seasons on TV.

Does this happen every year: ‘(Insert record company name) is screwing (insert favorite Idol name) because they won’t (promote them / give them good songs / avoid releasing their album at the same time as (insert five other huge established artists names))’ ?

It is very, very amusing.

I found it very very amusing too. This is my first year following AI on the internet too. As someone wise said,”They treated your idol better than my idol.. waa waa waa.. ” It might not be that amusing though come November and I’m skerd already.

Right now I have mixed feelings because of the negativity floating around, but the majority of people with any sense at all gets it for what it is ‘” the association when all is said and done will have benefited both.

Exactly. It’s not a negative thing. It’s interesting, though. IMO, instead of going with the tried-and-true Diane Warren schlop, they’re actually using a band that is fresh and still unknown in the US for Kris’ album. In the meantime, press for one benefits the other as they each get a mention.

Who else think Susan Boyle will top Adam on first week sales? I can just see every grandma and mom get a Boyle CD for Xmas.

Well this mom and grandma will be buying Adam’s album. Susan Boyle? Uh, just NO!

evanjane
September 28, 2009 at 7:40 pm

That’s funny about the $1,000,000 contract. I, for one, must have read it somewhere. I usually don’t pick random numbers out of the air. At this moment, I can clearly envision Ryan Seacrest saying it ‘ ¦

I certainly don’t know where it started, but it seems to be a well-established rumor in the Idol world.

The last time I heard the $1M mentioned was during season 2 – Ryan did say it on air both season 1 & 2. And I believe it was “a recording contract worth $1 million”. I don’t remember a dollar figure being mentioned since that season, but I didn’t watch seasons 4 or 5.

I have seen this information posted many places before on what Kelly received when she one AI. A lot of the rumors probably started way back then.

“Clarkson won the American Idol contest with 58 percent of the audience’s votes. In addition to the show’s prize of one million dollars and a recording contract with RCA”

http://www.answers.com/topic/kelly-clarkson

This is from the Seattle review:

“Yet with little advertising, airplay, or sense of occasion so far from Jive Records — the recording outfit connected with 19 Entertainment,”

Yup. I agree. A release on iTunes on Friday without even a banner
Hopefully they’ll be one there tomorrow (at least as big as the ad that Jason Castro got). Getting Z100 to preview it but not getting any further spins on the station, even getting Kris on OHP this early are all
unusual for Jive. I know Jordin also got off to a slow start she had the benefit of Top 40 play. I’m not sure Kris will get as much of that.

“In the meantime, press for one benefits the other as they each get a mention.”

The truth is right now the press is only benefiting The Script. Kris is getting the backlash. If this was a true 50/50 association, the Script would have made some kind of statement. Kris gave them a shout out on Slezak. They should do the same to appease both fan bases.
The association may be good in the short term but in the long term Kris needs to separate himself.

Aw, DC’s tweets just make me want to smish him. Although I think he was being harder on himself than any fans were.

And, in the completely unsubstantiated rumor department, it was posted on another board that David’s adopted puppy, Edie, was a gift to the Steven Van Zandt family. (I have no idea how they know this, but this board always seems to have a lot of info). If this is true, I love how, in the many Edie tweets we got, he never, ever name dropped who the pup was going to.

I kinda love the friendship that has developed between Cookie/Van Zandt.

This is my first year following AI on the internet, although I watched all the other seasons on TV.

Does this happen every year: ‘(Insert record company name) is screwing (insert favorite Idol name) because they won’t (promote them / give them good songs / avoid releasing their album at the same time as (insert five other huge established artists names))’ ?

It is very, very amusing.

OMG yes, it happens every year. Some arguments come up again and again:

On the voting results:
*It was the producer’s fault. They pimped the other guy/girl.
*It was the judges fault. They are the producer’s puppets. They have no taste.
*The voting is rigged.
*It was a backlash against the judges pimping/my favorite’s daring personality
*America is just not ready for my favorite’s awesomeness. They are sheep with no taste
*My guy/girl is really the most popular, his/her fans just gt too comfortable
*The other guy/girl has a crazy block of tweens/Country fans/black people/grandmas/cougars/Arkansasians/homophobes power voting for them, that’s the only reason they placed higher than my favorite, the true winner.
*The producers planned the outcome from the start and engineered it that way.

On the record sales:
*That was a hit because the label used payola
*That was a flop because the label is working with 19 to sabotage my favorite
*That was a flop because the label is stupid and chose the wrong single/strategy/video/radio format/etc
*My favorites album is the greatest in the world (until it flops, then my favorites album sucks because the label made her/him record that awful dreck.)
*My favorite is a success because (points to one bright spot in the era, ignores the rest)

I could go on and on. But you get the idea. All fanbases do it. And they all have their own logic, you can’t talk them out of it. Everybody is convinced they are right and the rest are fools. LOL Even the anti-fan sites have their own twisted logic. We’re all guilty to some degree.

Gotta love idol! What a ride.

Yes, Mtlfan, The Script is benefiting very nicely with Kris releasing LLWD. As long as, Kris benefits from it as well. Right now I have mixed feelings because of the negativity floating around, but the majority of people with any sense at all gets it for what it is ‘” the association when all is said and done will have benefited both.

yeah, i agree with you too. I had mixed feelings too because it was on Kris side that there was some negativity.

I think this cross promotion is going to benefit both Kris and The script in the long run.
Kris is going tobe fine so far these are the stations that have added LLWD to their rotation list as of today and now.

http://addboard.mediabase.com/AddDetails.asp?sngcde=ALLELLWD

And, in the completely unsubstantiated rumor department, it was posted on another board that David’s adopted puppy, Edie, was a gift to the Steven Van Zandt family. (I have no idea how they know this, but this board always seems to have a lot of info). If this is true, I love how, in the many Edie tweets we got, he never, ever name dropped who the pup was going to.

Stacy from the Word Nerd board met Maureen today and she had Edie in tow Maureen told her it was ok to let his fans know about Edie’s new home. I had assumed all along she was a gift to friends he knew a while..dayum he must have really bonded with them.

Steven Van Zandt

I know that Jason Castro considers him a personal friend and says that when he comes to NY he always sees Steven. I didn’t think David was part of that clique too.

Another very good review of LLWD. And now someone outside the AI fan universe is in print questioning why Jive isn’t promoting Kris’ single more enthusiastically

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/musicnightlife/2009958535_webkrisallen28.html?cmpid=2628

This is probably of interest only to me, but I was reading the comment thread there and I saw this:

kaceyTT
September 28, 2009 at 4:51 PM

OMG!!! His rendition is an EXACT replica of the Script singer’s vocal.
This single is a rip-off!

It seemed to me that I had seen a very similar comment somewhere, so I went back to a Kris thread here at MJ’s from two days ago, and sure enough:

will
September 26, 2009 at 1:35 pm

Kris on LLWD:

‘We’re so proud of the song, and I feel like I made it my own. . .’ 

Love ya Kris, but please don’t say that any more. Your rendition is an exact replica of the Script singer’s vocal.

Kind of amusing, given the subject matter, hmmm?

colette
September 28, 2009 at 11:25 am
Kris is getting NO HELP from his record company on his single or his CD. Or none that I’ve seen.

Jeez. Is it a conspiracy? Do they want him to fail so they can pimp Adam more, who clearly doesn’t need much help?

I’m very disappointed’ ¦.

Interesting how different people’s perceptions differ, because Adam fans have been saying the same thing – at least Kris got the big single unveiling in New York at the Z100 plus interviews with Slezak and Jim…Adam so far n interviews or unveiling, no single…

Stacy from the Word Nerd board met Maureen today and she had Edie in tow

Ah, thanks, Trina – I’m actually registered at that board, but haven’t been there in forever because I can never remember my username or password.

Nice ending to a nice story

Well they supposedly haven’t even decided what they are releasing as Adam’s first single. Hard to promote it if they don’t know which song they’ll should be pushing.

Didn’t Aimee Mayo claim the decision would be made today? Not that I take her tweets as gospel, because who knows how muh she actually knows or has been told.

Steven Van Zandt

I know that Jason Castro considers him a personal friend and says that when he comes to NY he always sees Steven. I didn’t think David was part of that clique too.

Yeah, the Van Zandts have been to several Cook concerts and they are known to go out for dinner. I didn’t know Castro was friends with them as well. Cool!

tiger92
September 28, 2009 at 11:57 am
That adam lambert article would be ridiculous if I didn’t know the writer. She’s an adam fanatic so I expect this sort of crap from her. I am also one who is tired of the over-hype.

You feel the same way I did when I read the OTT comments by Slezak and Jim C. concerning Kris’s single. That was over-hype also. I expected that sort of crap from them just like you did from Lyndsey. It’s the AI bubble, Kris and Adam both have their ‘fangirls’ .

THIS^^^ and I wonderf when Danny’s album is released whether he will have his own media cheerleading section…

‘Clarkson won the American Idol contest with 58 percent of the audience’s votes. In addition to the show’s prize of one million dollars and a recording contract with RCA’ 

http://www.answers.com/topic/kelly-clarkson

Wow, so according to answers.com, Kelly got a cool million in cash PLUS a recording contract. Not bad Kelly!

Another very good review of LLWD. And now someone outside the AI fan universe is in print questioning why Jive isn’t promoting Kris’ single more enthusiastically

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/musicnightlife/2009958535_webkrisallen28.html?cmpid=2628

I’ve changed my perspective a bit. New perspective: maybe they’re waiting to really promote the single when it goes for radio adds on October 13th, and are just releasing it now to get a little buzz beforehand?

For now, Adam and Kris are in the same boat… careers not launched yet. I think both will get their promo push soon, though. It’s just a matter of time.

suenigma
September 28, 2009 at 9:12 pm
Steven Van Zandt

I know that Jason Castro considers him a personal friend and says that when he comes to NY he always sees Steven. I didn’t think David was part of that clique too.

Yeah, the Van Zandts have been to several Cook concerts and they are known to go out for dinner. I didn’t know Castro was friends with them as well. Cool!

Yes, there were tweets/picture a while back of Jason and Steven out for brunch.

I think Steven Van Zandt and his wife have always been idol fans and they get along with some contestants. That’s really nice of them. And just for fun, it was cool to know how the dog story ended.

According to the banter from DC’s show tonight in Bloomsburg, PA (some of the fans can make out the muffled banter better than me..lol) that he is heading to NY tomorrow to start writing for DCTR2.

Niall
September 28, 2009 at 3:09 pm
Jive hasn’t done anything wrong or different with Kris. He won’t be on the major talk shows until the week or two prior to his CD release. They aren’t going to blow their wad the first week a single is out on iTunes. If his song isn’t going anywhere six weeks from now then we can assume Jive didn’t buy him a hit like they did for Archie and Jordin, and people will then be free to complain about the lack of illegal activity on Kris Allen’s behalf.

LOL, there are some super-witty people on this blog….

Yeah, and it sounds like Kris is recording another of their songs. Plus, they’re opening for David Cook starting in November, and doing that gig with Kris in October. Sony is using Idol fanbases to get these guys launched. Kind of interesting strategy. I remember their video of ‘The Man Who Can’t Be Moved’  getting Vh1 play, but I didn’t pay much attention to them. Now, their name keeps turning up in Idol-related blogs and articles.

I guess *that* should be flattering to the Idols. They are so popular, they can launch other acts. David Cook’s been helping to “launch” or “relaunch” acts all through his tour.

I think Steven Van Zandt and his wife have always been idol fans and they get along with some contestants. That’s really nice of them. And just for fun, it was cool to know how the dog story ended.

Maybe I’ve got this wrong, but I thought I heard that during the 7th season when the Cook family was trying to get Adam Cook to one of David’s performance, the van Zandt family was one of those offering help.

that he is heading to NY tomorrow to start writing for DCTR2.

Ooh, why New York? Anyone there he’s collaborating with or just using the obvious resources that are there?

Lambry

number8gurl: http://twitpic.com/jk1aq – @wishupnsta @adamlambert and Drake
5 minutes ago from TwitPic

ETA Beware Photoshop

Lambry

number8gurl: http://twitpic.com/jk1aq ‘“ @wishupnsta @adamlambert and Drake
5 minutes ago from TwitPic

The facial hair upsets me. Make it go awaaaaayyyyyyyyy D:

Wow, so according to answers.com, Kelly got a cool million in cash PLUS a recording contract. Not bad Kelly!

Wiki, Answers, etc. are just internet bloggers answering posted questions with the answer they think is right. A million dollars was never mentioned….a recording contract “worth” a million dollars may have been. Idol has never given “direct” money to any contestant. Everything the Idols have “won” has been in direct relation to their sales and touring earnings, outside of expenses.

19 may be pretty dumb at times but they aren’t going to hand a million bucks over to a reality show winner….that would mean the Idol would have “control” and, by george, that ain’t never happened.

and ride on Kris momentum as the AI to make The Script better known in the U.S and then release their album in the U.S.

The Script’s video ‘man who can’t be moved’  was played on VH-1 Top 20 Countdown, but I haven’t found any US chart activity on the song.

The Script’s album was released in the US months and months ago, long before Kris was chosen as the Idol.

I posted this a few days ago-

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Man_Who_Can%27t_Be_Moved

The Wiki page for The Man Who Can’t Be Moved shows that it reached #15 on the Billboard Hot Adult Top 40 Tracks, which is the same as HAC. It reached #88 on the Hot 100. I remember seeing TMWCBM on the Mediabase charts over the summer myself, so the Wiki entry is correct. Not bad for a debut single from a debut artist. Breakeven is a fantastic song, but it’s not the 1st single in any way. Besides radio play, The Script have been on numerous late night shows, daytime shows like The View, and opened for Paul McCartney in the US. They’re doing just fine without Kris’ coattails. Sure, it’s to their benefit to be associated with writing songs for another successful performer, but that benefit is going both ways, as it will when they tour with David Cook. They’re not a floundering band being forced onto the Idols by any means.

ETA:
“Ooh, why New York? Anyone there he’s collaborating with or just using the obvious resources that are there?”

Maybe he’s having writing sessions with Steven Van Zandt?!!

Wow, so according to answers.com, Kelly got a cool million in cash PLUS a recording contract. Not bad Kelly!

Wiki, Answers, etc. are just internet bloggers answering posted questions with the answer they think is right.

I was being sarcastic Tess. If they had actually handed Kelly a million bucks, we might never have heard from her again, as another poster said.

Looked through the thread but didn’t see this one posted, I apologize if I missed it.

Kris Allen’s LLWD review in the Seattle Times:

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/musicnightlife/2009958535_webkrisallen28.html?cmpid=2628

Hrrrm. Very catchy. I *guess* that’s good…

ETA: I am not saying catchy is *bad*. I am just thinking when Kris comes to mind, I think:

soulful
introspective
intense
passionate

I guess I don’t think of The Fray or One Republic as *catchy.* I guess you could call Jason Mraz *catchy* and Gavin DeGraw’s 2nd album (with the single “I’m in Love With A Girl”). But when I think catchy, I think Colbie Caillait or Sara Bareilles, not Kris. JMHO. I just wouldn’t have picked this as the first single. I still hope it does well, of course. I haven’t heard it yet; Heartless is still playing.

Who even takes comments under those articles serious? The same trolls at work trying very hard to make it look like Kris stole someone else’s song. Haha, a lot of people are still living on a didderent planet. Who cares if The Sript vocalist and Kris sound the same?
I personally listened to it long before Kris’ single dropped. But I listened to the first 10 seconds and listened to Kris’ and there was so much difference. The Scripts was a bit raw and flat for me. Kris did a good job with the phrashing and has a sweet tone to his voice. That’s what he meant by making it his own I guess. He doesn’t need to change arrangements to do that.
Don’t so many artists sound similar?

DavidArchie: The hygienist said ‘you have nice stretchy cheeks.’  Thanks I guess lol.

Archie’s trip to the dentist was picked up by USA Today…

David Archuleta goes to the dentist – and other star tweets
Time for a Twitter break. Here’s a look at what some stars are saying:
American Idoler David Archuleta: “So I might be getting my wisdom teeth out tomorrow. It’s the only time I’ve FINALLY been able to get them out!”

Kris Allen’s LLWD review in the Seattle Times:

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/musicnightlife/2009958535_webkrisallen28.html?cmpid=2628

They have poll with Adam in it and he doesn’t even have single out yet.

” They’re not a floundering band being forced onto the Idols by any means.” –CathyMK

To be honest, The Script was a new band to me only vaguely aware of who they were as I listened to VH-1 Top 20 countdown. I was watching for David Cook’s video. I liked Man Who Can’t Be Moved, but it didn’t really “move” me to buy the CD. A month ago I was itching to find new music and decided to take a chance on The Script. I’m glad I did. The CD was a pleasant surprise.

They are an up and coming band in the U.S. and I hope they do well, but it is telling that they will be the opening band for David Cook and not the other way around. I guess David Cook is no longer a neophyte in the music industry.

Internationally, The Script is well-known with many musical accolades under their belt.

I’ve metioned on another article that The Script and David Cook, as well as, Kris Allen are a “family”, falling under the 19R/RCA/Jive umbrella. I expect we’ll see more of these connections in the future. Case in point: The Script and Kris Allen will be performing at the Bosom Ball. I think The Script is a very cool band, so I’m happy for the association.

Truthfully, if I wasn’t involved in AI, I wouldn’t have known that LLWD was a song from The Script. I wouldn’t even care one way or the other. If by chance, I heard the song on the radio, I would decide if I like it or not and from there make the decision to get the CD or not get it. All very simple, all very normal. Most people will connect with Kris’s song this way, not through A.I. boards.

Oh, and good review by the Seattle Times. I like that they’re taking Jive to task. I still believe Jive knows what it’s doing. Three days sales on I-tunes will probably keep LLWD from charting really high, but if Jive was worried about that, they wouldn’t have picked a Friday for release with no visible promotion on the I-tune’s site. If there’s nothing there tomorrow, then I’m at a loss as to what they’re up to.

Critics seem to like the single. That, at least, makes me happy.

They have poll with Adam in it and he doesn’t even have single out yet.

hmm, listed as “yet unreleased”..

this is the pick for the Adam’s die-hard fan..

They have poll with Adam in it and he doesn’t even have single out yet.

I know!!! And “Adam’s yet unreleased single” is beating Light On in the results LOL. People are crazy.

RE: Seattle Times review

The writer of that review blogged during the AI season. She was a huge Kris stan and said many’ ¦ummmm’ ¦not so nice things about Adam. Her take on the single is not surprising to me. I am surprised that she went so far as to diss Jive for not promoting Kris properly.

Kris has had the SOP for single releases that are considered a ‘soft opening’. The Friday release connotes a ‘soft opening’ and many big recording artist are going in this direction. (see: Miley and Greenday) If Jive doesn’t have banners and such for tomorrow on iTunes, then I will start to worry.

That Seattle Times critic is a big Kris fan, had been all season and wrote one of the only reviews of the tour where Kris was on top. Hope she’s not right about the jive/19 stuff.

I’m surprised no one caught this, Jim Cantiello sent out a Tweet saying he has big Kris Allen news coming later in the week this is the Tweet:

Soooo excited for the upcoming week. Have a big ol’ trick up my sleeves for Kris Allen fans. Get ready for a sneak attack, @EWMichaelSlezak!
about 23 hours ago from txt

I think he’s going to leak another song, can’t wait.

The writer of that review blogged during the AI season. She was a huge Kris stan and said many’ ¦ummmm’ ¦not so nice things about Adam. Her take on the single is not surprising to me. I am surprised that she went so far as to diss Jive for not promoting Kris properly.

Why does it surprise you that “a huge Kris stan” would diss Jive? Isn’t that just predictable preemptive damage control in the event the single charts poorly? And I’m not saying the complaints about Jive are completely unwarranted, just that it doesn’t surprise me in the least that a Kris fan would write that.

One thing, that article comparing Adam’s debut to the Beatles, sorry it just sounds OTT. Also, being #2 or whatever on Amazon at this point is not very meaningful. Clay Aiken was #1 or something on Amazon when his debut cd went on pre-sale, if he wasn’t #1 he was definitely way up there, I remember how excited his fans were. First, Amazon doesn’t mean much in overall sales, very small percentage of sales, second, those numbers are changable from day to day.

Don’t get me wrong, I think Adam’s going to sell a helluva lot of cds, but I just caution against getting overly excited about Amazon, and that article is really out in left field. But it does make me laugh how people constantly want to compare new singers to the Beatles and want them to break their records. Pretty amazing how strong they were and still are. Long live the Beatles, lol.

I thought people were happy Kris signed with Jive?

Kris can’t do the promotion of his single at the moment; he’s in the total rush for finishing the album by October 15th. I’m expecting Jive and him to go for it after that date.

I’m curious of Jim’s “big ol’ trick” for Kris fans..

I don’t know if anyone has mentioned this but that P. Diddy show, Starmaker or whatever, is on MTV now, and Kim Caldwell is one of the hosts. I watched it tonight and enjoyed the show. Kim was not on camera very much and didn’t reappear after the beginning that I recall. Anyway, I thought the show would be hiphop and rap, but it wasn’t at all. Some really talented folks on the show, looks like P Diddy knows his stuff when it comes to choosing potential stars.

A lot of people were skeptical of Kris signing with Jive because they usually handle more urban and r&b music, and that’s not what everyone hopes Kris will do.

Somebody has to tell Cook…. Jon Stewart opened his show tonight by yelling “Happy Yom Kippur” to his audience. Okay. He did laugh after he said it and explained it was the jewish day of atonement but still — after all this talk — I had a big laugh over something that I normally wouldn’t have picked up on at all.

oceana
September 28, 2009 at 11:03 pm
A lot of people were skeptical of Kris signing with Jive because they usually handle more urban and r&b music, and that’s not what everyone hopes Kris will do.

I didn’t realize Jordan and Archuletta were considered urban.

Somebody has to tell Cook’ ¦. Jon Stewart opened his show tonight by yelling ‘Happy Yom Kippur’  to his audience. Okay. He did laugh after he said it and explained it was the jewish day of atonement but still ‘” after all this talk ‘” I had a big laugh over something that I normally wouldn’t have picked up on at all.

Someone should tweet that to David.

Soooo excited for the upcoming week. Have a big ol’ trick up my sleeves for Kris Allen fans. Get ready for a sneak attack, @EWMichaelSlezak!
about 23 hours ago from txt

Jim and Slezak are still competing for Kris’ love.

“I didn’t realize Jordan and Archuletta were considered urban.”

Jive is also big on teen acts. Jordin and Archie are considered teens. Jordin actually has urban appeal. And of course urban and teen is their ideal combo. So far Jive’s treatment of kris has been kind of sloppy and done on the cheap.

There better be a banner or ad on iTunes for Kris tomorrow. Or I’ll have worse to say about Jive.

oceana: A lot of people were skeptical of Kris signing with Jive because they usually handle more urban and r&b music, and that’s not what everyone hopes Kris will do.

Actually, Jive has a lot of pop and pop/rock artists, too. (Britney Spears, Pink, Ciara, Justin Timberlake, for example). Although JIve has a reputation of being very cheap, I was optimistic for Kris when he signed with Jive because:

1. Jive has a good record transitioning young artists from Idol to recording artist. The handled both Jordin and Archie pretty well. And, although Kris is older than Jordin and Archie, Kris has less professional experience. So being with a label know for developing artists and support them seemed like a good fit to me.

2. Jive is great at marketing pop music, particularly to younger audiences — which is the biggest music buying market.

I guess we will know soon enough if there is a great, or even good, Kris song that they passed over to release LLWD, or if that was the best thing they had. Maybe someday we will learn the whole story, but for now I am very disappointed with Jive/19R management of Kris.

There better be a banner or ad on iTunes for Kris tomorrow. Or I’ll have worse to say about Jive.

LOL JPfan, I love it when you’re feisty

And, although Kris is older than Jordin and Archie, Kris has less professional experience.

What professional experiences did Jordin and Archie have before AI? Kris produced an album, had his own band and performed in clubs for several years. I didn’t follow Jordin and Archie but I think Kris was experienced.

We know the names of three of Kris’s songs and one has already been released as his first single.

We know the name of one of Adam’s singles and the one from the 2012 and we have heard exactly nothing. Very disappointing. And surprising to me (I guess I just expected more w/ the pre-orders on amazon/barnes and noble/best buy). I was SURE there would be some leakage tonight or better yet the date of the first single’s release. In fact, we don’t even know if TFM will be included in the 2012 roadblock, tho I can’t imagine how it wouldn’t be.

Also of interest is the following:

–how well Kris’s single will do
–what the other songs are, and why LLWD was chosen

I may be wrong, but aside from some *radio* promotion for Kris on Friday, there has been nothing, nada from Jive. Is this typical? And I honestly did not expect a single like LLWD to be the 1st released. NOT BECAUSE IT IS A COVER, but b/c it just does NOT sound like a Kris song (Heartless, Falling Slowly, etc.). I know I’ve said it before, but it just DOES NOT TO ME.

Oh and LOL on Jon Stewart.

This is from twitter;

RT @pokertrace: @thedavidcook heading to NY tmw to “start writing another record” [banter from tonight's show]

I am so excited about new music from David that this tweet makes me so happy.

I bought Kris’s song and I don’t even like it but I like him. I hope he succeeds.

Kris’ single, LLWD is on sale at RHAPSODY.COM

http://www.rhapsody.com/kris-allen/live-like-were-dying

I’m not sure where this fits, but a new single by The Script (who wrote 2 of the songs on Kris’ album) dropped today according to FMQB. It’s called Break Even.

The Script has already released the single “Break Even” in the US last July. US Radio release was August 31, 2009. They are going for US Top 40 Adds tomorrow. Here is a link to an article about the song, the supporting promo and tour, and the song.

http://neonlimelight.com/2009/07/23/the-script-perform-break-even-on-the-view/

So….the way itunes works…should be banner for Kris be at the store in 2 minutes roughly??

CindyM
September 28, 2009 at 11:59 pm
So’ ¦.the way itunes works’ ¦should be banner for Kris be at the store in 2 minutes roughly??

I think so, at least that’s how ITunes UK usually does it. Banners change at midnight a long with the new releases.

what is banner?

Kris’s single is at #62 on the iTunes hot 100 chart.
No banner yet.
Will check in the morning.

Becky, I think it’s at the top of the listings. Do they do that for singles? They do it for albums. I expect Kris’ to be “what we are listening to” or “new and noteworthy” or “what’s hot” this week.

what is banner?

A kind of online ad.

There better be a banner or ad on iTunes for Kris tomorrow. Or I’ll have worse to say about Jive.

You’re being way too nice. If there’s no banner I’m gonna cut a bitch

Now about The Script opening for David…I’m probably ass talking here but some of the opening acts he’s used he chose himself or seeked out. Given the huge Paul McCartney fan he is would it be possible he knew of them and suggested them? And maybe Sony isn’t involved? Not that I think they wouldn’t love two of their artists being linked together on tour..I do remember hearing something about how they were supposed to do even more dates with him but it turned out to be a scheduling conflict. IIRC they’re only doing a handful of shows.

Yey Linda Perry! I love beautiful

Itunes doesn’t go *poof* and completely changeover at midnight. It usually takes until the middle of the day on Tuesday for the weekly changes to be complete. Frustrating for those of us waiting to download music or see ads, but it does take humans to set up the changes, and that takes time. OTOH, sometimes songs or albums are available a little early, if they’re the first things that the iTunes guys get to.

Yeah, my Itunes store stuff still says September 22nd for “What’s Hot” in pop. I thought maybe it changed by time zones. Yes, I am sometimes internet challenged. I admit it.

CathyMK
September 29, 2009 at 12:12 am
Itunes doesn’t go *poof* and completely changeover at midnight. It usually takes until the middle of the day on Tuesday for the weekly changes to be complete. Frustrating for those of us waiting to download music or see ads, but it does take humans to set up the changes, and that takes time.

At Itunes UK I’ve downloaded my music at exactly midnight on release day. Latest album I did that with was Mika, before that it was Muse, the reason I knew they were available was the banners announcing them. Maybe in the US the delay is to do with the multiple time zones.

It seems like they have updated the store – but not the ads yet. Madonna’s new Greatest Hits collection and the new Miranda Lambert CD are both available for purchase. I’m sure other new releases are as well – but those were the only ones I checked.

Radio question for anyone who might know – what exactly does it mean when a radio station adds a song? I know it means they have added it to their playlist. But, does that guarantee a certain number of spins.

Four HAC, two Top 40 and 1 Christian AC have added LLWD to their playlist. But it appears that only about one quarter of Top 40 stations have reported their ads for the week so far.

I just checked ITunes UK, it’s 5.30 am London time, 4.30 GMT and all the banners and releases have indeed been changed.

CindyM: Yeah, my Itunes store stuff still says September 22nd for ‘What’s Hot’  in pop. I thought maybe it changed by time zones. Yes, I am sometimes internet challenged. I admit it.

When actually you are not far off — iTunes time is Pacific Time so for part of the year, it is the same as Arizona.

ETA: This applys only to the North American sites.

I wonder if Adam will tweet about Yom Kippur. Doubt he will though, not his type of tweet and such.
But if all those Adamstorm rumors come true I expect the media blitz to happen tomorrow.
/ramblings

I wonder if Adam will tweet about Yom Kippur. Doubt he will though, not his type of tweet and such.

No. That would be very strange since Adam clearly was not observing Yom Kippur. He flew on Yom Kippur and tweeted that he was headed to the studio to work with Linda Perry around 4PM PT — before sundown today.

AdamLambert: Headin into studio w Linda Perry!!!
about 5 hours ago from Echofon

But I would love to here Adam as sing the Kol Nidre (the most important song in the Yom Kippur service) at my temple one year. Or even better Avinu Malkeinu, the most beautiful song for Yom Kippur:

Here is Barbra Streisand’s version:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RRhAklSPooQ&feature=fvw

Allison’s album is available for pre-order on Amazon listed with a December 1st release date:

Allison Iraheta – Pre-order

*bounce*

According to the wired-in folks at ontd_ai Allison’s album is now up for pre-order.

Oops, sorry for the duplicate announcement.

I suppose I should prepare for it to be… not great, considering how rushed it’s going to be (though not as rushed as Kris’s or Adam’s, yikes), but I have hope that I’ll like some of it and I cannot *wait* to hear her sing new stuff.

Here’s a different link to the DonorsChoose.org press release.

http://www.pr-inside.com/adam-lambert-fans-donate-229-000-to-r1501798.htm

Now, since Stephen Colbert is on the DonorsChoose.org Board of Directors, and Adam and his fans support DonosChoose.org, maybe Stephen will have Adam on his show!

How dare Allison steal Adam’s TBD album title!!!!!!!!!!!!

No picture for her either

So, the stories about Donorschoose in the media should be tomorrow probably? This was the initial press release?

CindyM: So, the stories about Donorschoose in the media should be tomorrow probably? This was the initial press release?

For the most part, yes. The release was timed today so that the stories would hit tomorrow. Interesting that the contested ended so the announcement of the winner was part of the lead-up for the release of Adam’s single, TFM/2012, then album. Pretty sweet!

Also, has anyone seen anything about what or who is on the cover of Rolling Stone for 10/15/09 – newstand date is Friday 10/2/09. I’m just wondering if it’s a 2012 cover?

Yikes…I gotta go get the last issue for the New Music Preview. I haven’t picked it up yet

I thought we were SURE that Allison was gonna release before Black Friday….uh oh… are they going to throw Allison under the bus? (dramatic wording, but I am surprised at how little we’re hearing about Allison in comparison to Kris. And as for the release date–she was twittering just yesterday that she didn’t know whether it was going to be Nov. 10 or Dec. 1. It all seems very disorganized in her camp)

And srsly what is up with Adam? Not a peep from him or his camp. I was sure we’d have news today, an announcement, something! He needs to get releasin’ with his single before MJ’s This Is It strikes.

I thought we were SURE that Allison was gonna release before Black Friday’ ¦.uh oh’ ¦ are they going to throw Allison under the bus? (dramatic wording, but I am surprised at how little we’re hearing about Allison in comparison to Kris.

Jive will probably focus on Kris first then focus on Allison’s cd for the end of the year or early 2010. They’ll do the same thing for Allison that they’ve done for Archie and Jordin, and will probably do for Kris: they’ll payola their way to a first hit single and then hope they can catch on without it for the next few singles. It worked with Jordin, not as well for Archie. Allison finished 4th so she’s going to be treated more as a “new artist” than an AI contestant. That can be good but also has a downside, like the possibility there won’t be a cd until after the holidays.

Looks like Daniel Bedingfield (brother of Natasha) will be working with David on his 3rd album. He tweeted this…

Writing for/with @DavidArchie with @kinagrannis in november – they are two of the coolest and most talented people i’ve ever worked with.
about 7 hours ago from web

Jive will probably focus on Kris first then focus on Allison’s cd for the end of the year or early 2010. They’ll do the same thing for Allison that they’ve done for Archie and Jordin, and will probably do for Kris: they’ll payola their way to a first hit single and then hope they can catch on without it for the next few singles. It worked with Jordin, not as well for Archie. Allison finished 4th so she’s going to be treated more as a ‘new artist’  than an AI contestant. That can be good but also has a downside, like the possibility there won’t be a cd until after the holidays.

I don’t see why they can’t focus on both at the same time…

Oh well. As you say, being treated as a new artist does have its benefits. Allison’s career is something to be viewed focusing on the long term, and so on… still waiting for a single though. And one from Adam. *still impatient*

llwd is available on itune Canada and Sweden now. uh…I thought it was worldwide releasing at the start. Is it available in other countries? Does itune have seperate chart for each country? Does it have integrated charts like North Anerica top 100 or Euro top 30?

Allison finished 4th so she’s going to be treated more as a ‘new artist’  than an AI contestant. That can be good but also has a downside, like the possibility there won’t be a cd until after the holidays.

I agree, she’s not the typical Idol contestant and I think it will benefit her to be treated this way than as an Idol byproduct. Releasing on December 1st isn’t so bad, still in the holiday season. I’ve seen it on the boards that she has one of the best reps at Jive working with her, so good signs all around.

Kris now has an icon on the front page of iTunes for his single but it is the same old cover art he had before. Don’t they have a decent picture of the guy they can use. He has had several photo shoots already. Good Grief!!!

hmm..i see he’s under the singles tab, but he doesn’t have a banner on my itunes. i see glee, desperate housewives, and family guy though lol

Lambert Riot

By our own MJ… NY Post article.

Kris’ single have been released to itunes in the following countries too, so if you are there and looking forward to buying.

SWEDEN
SPAIN
FINLAND
GERMANY
CANADA

Here is iTunes Listing of Top 10 songs or albums per country. Just the Top 10 ranked .

iTunes Charts Top 10 Per Country

Adam Lambert Fans – a big cheer for doing great works !
Adam Lambert Fans Donate $229,000

I hope MJ posts her article on the Headlines Thread. It sounds like another Dan Brown ( Da Vinci Code fame ) thriller was unfolding .

Kudos Adam fans- wish you could become members of the Commission on Elections of a developing nation- you would most likely unearth any election anomaly.

@animated

Here is iTunes Listing of Top 10 songs or albums per country. Just the Top 10 ranked .

itunes Top 10 per Country

this link takes me to the NY post ?? Could you update? thanks!

Camellia – Try this link-

http://www.apple.com/euro/itunes/charts/top10popsongs.html

Thanks Animated for the Top 10 iTunes link! It’s really interesting to see what is popular in different countries.

It seems that songs can be classified differently depending on the country. For example, I noticed that the only (?) country listing BEP’s I Gotta Feeling as a pop song is Canada. However, BEP seems to top the list in many countries when you choose the general option showing the top 10 songs
http://www.apple.com/euro/itunes/charts/top10songs.html

llwd is available on itune Canada and Sweden now.

It’s available in Denmark too, where it is actually cheaper than NoBo – wtf?

ETA: I guess the whole shift into digital music has internationalized the music market. I mean, I just checked iTunes DK and you can get lots of Idol music even though I’ve never heard any mention on radio/tv/magazines about the vast majority of them. I actually didn’t know you could get their music here. (Without going to an actual store and looking through their entire collection I will still presume that finding the actual CDs in physical form will be next to impossible.) Interesting.

I thought we were SURE that Allison was gonna release before Black Friday’ ¦.uh oh’ ¦ are they going to throw Allison under the bus? (dramatic wording, but I am surprised at how little we’re hearing about Allison in comparison to Kris.

Kris is the winner, people expect a single soon and lots of promotion. Allison is probably seen as a completely new artist and. They WANTED her and they were going to sign her regardless of where she placed in the competition, so I’m not worried about them throwing her under the bus. I think of it more as them focusing on getting a good product out and not rushing through things with her (not that they’re rushing through Kris). Amazon has her debut album dropping in December 1st so while she will miss out on Black Friday, she’ll still make the Holiday season. All she needs is a good first single and she’ll be fine.

I don’t know why people say we don’t know much about her album, we know quite a bit as a matter of fact. We just don’t have a date for the single but we do know a lot about who she’s been working with.

Amazon has her debut album dropping in December 1st so while she will miss out on Black Friday, she’ll still make the Holiday season. All she needs is a good first single and she’ll be fine.

True and also Black Friday does not carry the weight it used to, most people lately are the week before Christmas shoppers. I’m really not concerned financially about any of them, my concerns are purely selfish, I’m tired of waiting for new music.

I am excited for Allison and I think I read here that she is auditioning for a band which I think is great. I think they are doing the right thing in giving her a little bit more time. Didn’t she try to finish school as well as recording and touring this summer? If so they couldn’t really rush as much as Adam and Kris. Also she is very young.

From Allentown Morning Call

‘American Idol’ Kris Allen debut single set to hit stores

I’m really not concerned financially about any of them, my concerns are purely selfish, I’m tired of waiting for new music.

Oh, I understand. I’m not concenred but I am anxious for some new music already.

Didn’t she try to finish school as well as recording and touring this summer?

She’s still doing school work at the moment, independent studies. According to her best friend, just last night she was doing homework so yeah, she’s got that school thing going on at the same time as the album.

llwd is available on itune Canada and Sweden now.

It’s available in Denmark too, where it is actually cheaper than NoBo ‘“ wtf?

I wonder why it’s not available in the UK?

I can’t seem to find it.

Clips from Archies xmas album are out!

http://www.amazon.com/Christmas-Heart-David-Archuleta/dp/B002LLDT9U/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=music&qid=1254220026&sr=1-1

From Allentown Morning Call

Kris Allen’s new single is for sale before the end of the month, hitting iTunes tomorrow

So, there is at least on reporter who didn’t realise that llwd was released on Friday. I have a hunch sales will pick up now .

He obviously likes the song for Kris and feels it “expands his repertoire” because of the rap part. And he even addresses the cover issue in a good way (IMO), saying that yes it is a cover and yes it is performed in the same way as the original but that it is OK because:

But The Script’s version didn’t even make its album; it was released as a single in April 2008 and hit No. 15 on the U.K. singles chart. It didn’t chart in the United States.

There’s an obvious precedent for Allen’s move: The Jonas Brothers’s first hit, ‘Year 3000′  was a straight-up cover of British pop band Busted’s song, but became the lead single for the album that made the group a smash.

I thought it was a rather good way to handle the situation without omitting anything and giving it a positive spin. Of course MMV.

But I would love to here Adam as sing the Kol Nidre (the most important song in the Yom Kippur service) at my temple one year. Or even better Avinu Malkeinu, the most beautiful song for Yom Kippur:

Oooh yes that would be beautiful.

Oh yey Allison! December 1st eh? Illl have to mark that on my calendar

I don’t see why they can’t focus on both at the same time’ ¦

Oh well. As you say, being treated as a new artist does have its benefits. Allison’s career is something to be viewed focusing on the long term, and so on’ ¦ still waiting for a single though. And one from Adam. *still impatient*

Well, Jive only has so much money, so has to choose how to spend it on each of their artists. I agree, as the winner, Kris deserves the primo release dates, first single, etc.

And I also agree that, because they didn’t have to sign Allison, but obviously really really wanted to, that Jive has a lot of love and respect for her, and that they will do right by her. December will still be strong for the holidays sales.

rumor mill: http://pinoygossipboy.i.ph/blogs/pinoygossipboy/2009/09/29/katy-perry-david-archuleta-benefit-concert-for-ondoy-victims/

llwd is available on itune Canada and Sweden now

yeah!!!! finally!!!

llwd banner is up on ‘what’s hot’. it moved from #58 to #48 this morning.

I noticed that just now BeckyMD- this is GREAT news for Kris. He is getting people to buy his song because they are hearing it and liking it now, not because of the AI fans.

Wow, a little pic under what’s hot that doesn’t even have his image on it. I guess Jive went all out. Probably spent the whole $50 of their promo budget. Jason Castro had a big ad that his label sprung for. And I def remember seeing a big ad when Crush debuted. I don’t get it.

MJ:

I was wondering, there’s been some comparison between Kris and Adam and how they’re doing in pre-orders. Adam’s pre-orders are definitely a really cool potential sign of the interest in him, but how much do Kris’s pre-orders mean given that I would think that a lot of the really dedicated fans, who are now ordering Adam’s album, would probably have ordered Kris’s album a while ago with that itunes pass thing? Or are the numbers not really comparable somehow?

Adam’s album in Amazon has a picture now, although a vampire one, better than nothing I think.

isisdagmar -
That’s just what I did…ordered Kris’ album on the iTunes pass way back at the beginning of the summer, and ordered Adam’s album as soon as it became available on Amazon.ca.. I’ve never seen any pre-order numbers for Kris’ album, just for Adam’s, so I think we can’t pay too much attention to numbers of both albums right now. I think they’ll both be great and I can hardly wait till November!

And – yea! – finally got to buy Kris’ LLWD single this morning…it sounds way better – much clearer and crisper – than the youtube vesion I’ve been listening to (in desperation!) for the past few days!

llwd banner is up on ‘what’s hot’. it moved from #58 to #48 this morning.

In less than 40 min, it climb to #44. Keep it going Kris.

Adam’s album in Amazon has a picture now, although a vampire one, better than nothing I think.

PICTURE!!! Me likey Yeah smoke and vampire look (hoping to rope in the Twilight crowd, j/k – or not…)

Not too fond of that pic, actually – his eyes look too dark. Same look they went for with the NoBo single art.

ETA: Just realized that I was completely self-contradictory in this comment. Clearly I need coffee this morning.

People definately love the song. If you check Kris’ @replies since friday, you would see it and after releasing it to itunes in other countries it’s a marvelling response.
The song grows on you the more you listen to it. And I bet Scipt fans who didn’t get the opportunity to buy it as a single will love to buy it too.
I feel it’s a strategy Jive is using to promote Kris out in Europe and that’s the reason why they wrote another song for him and working with those producers in London.

And apparently Adam, Kris, and SuBo are frequently purchased together, according to Amazon. Hmmm. Interesting.

Lots of Adam pix at

Adam Lambert Rages Against the “American Idol” Machine
by Celebuzz on Sep. 29, 2009 07:00 AM
http://www.celebuzz.com/adam-lambert-rages-against-american-s138901/

And apparently Adam, Kris, and SuBo are frequently purchased together, according to Amazon. Hmmm. Interesting.

Indeed. However, if you look at Kris’s page, Carrie and Kris are frequently bought together.

Nice article in the NJ Post MJ. I think people mag referred to it as well.

what happened to today’s headlines thread? just me?

what happened to today’s headlines thread? just me?

Nope, it went poof for me too.

Thank goodness you guys mentioned the headlines thread. I thought I was losing it!

I feel like I’m in the Twilight Zone.

Ah. Not alone in the Headlines thread search. It *was* there, and now not? THE HORROR!! WHERE SHALL WE FLAIL?!! [sniff]

Besides which, its lunchtime and I need my fix….

tripp_ncwy : Kris now has an icon on the front page of iTunes for his single but it is the same old cover art he had before. Don’t they have a decent picture of the guy they can use. He has had several photo shoots already. Good Grief!!!

Acutally, has ANYONE seen any of Kris’ new photoshoot stuff yet?

Adam’s Sebring photos went up for general use pretty quick (even though most of us didn’t know initially why they were there), and were circulating in less than a week. You would think that Kris would have SOME new photos by now!! (I’ll even take new plaid, as long as it look different from the I’ve-seen-it-so-many-times-its-more-familiar-than-my-shirts plaid)