Idol Headlines for 08/27/09

There’s a podcast of the Argus Leader’s David Cook interview that has a lot more in-depth information in it:

I was able to help the reporter out with questions, so we were able to get a little more insight than the usual suspects.

Yay second comment!:D

sorry but one of the first times this summer I’m up before noon:0)

I have a doctor’s appointment though:(

so I need Adam news!!!!!!! we should have interviews from yesterday.

(Sorry for the wonky link, I still haven’t figured those out yet!!)

Ugh jordin I like u don’t talk about miley;(

I’m so HAPPY matt got an AWESOME hometown welcome;D

k4dc Thanks for posting that interview. It was really interesting. David talks about the songwriting process, his voice, the tour, fans. Great interview. Definitely worth listening to.

I don’t know if this bodes well for Season 6 of SYTYCD, but the Canadian version just got to do a Michael Jackson Tribute for their Top 20 Results Show group number last night. Janet’s choreographer did the routine.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lVCW-c4woUo

Also, the Results Show was a slimming 30 minutes – NO filler whatsoever.

Aww matty g tweeted”Detroit showed us a good time!!Had a crazy night.It’s awesome to see familiar faces that told you that you could do it way back when!Zzzz.

B4 that he tweeted
“What a feeling that was…Detroit Rock City!!!I love you and yall basically made my life tonight”

awwwwww sounds like he really enjoyed it!

Ruh roh nigel’s not going to be happy.unless-he’s the executive producer(?) of sytycd too?!

Michigan native Giraud returns home on ‘Idols’ tour
Adam Graham / Detroit News Pop Music Writer

This was a nice write up on Matt.

I also liked some of this one too.

Lambert wows Palace crowd

I love that Matt got a great review. And of course enjoyed the Allison and Adam parts, the Kris part, not so much, and the others were pretty much ignored.

lmao!!! yesterday anoop tweeted” If another interviewer asks me how much I loooved slumdog…really?haha

awwwww Brooke’s tweets are so sweet…she was my fave last year.this year I LOVE Adam.see the similarities.haha.

lmao!!! yesterday anoop tweeted’  If another interviewer asks me how much I loooved slumdog’ ¦really?haha

They should ask Adam about that movie.

LOL I’m probably in the minority becuz I hated slumdog.my dad floved it though he say it 3 times.but if Adam likes it itcant be all bad…:D

Detroit showed us a good time!!Had a crazy night.It’s awesome to see familiar faces that told you that you could do it way back when!Zzzz.

Haha, I love Matt’s personality. Matt was my fave this year, while David Cook was my fave last year, and despite’s Matt’s tendency to choke on the AI stage, I always saw a common thread between these two, which was their musicality. But this tweet, to me epitomizes how different they are in terms of their personality, and consequently, how they approached the AI competition. This is the opposite of what DC said about the KC show last summer– DC said he looked around and saw faces he recognized growing up, faces of people who told him to give up, that he would never make it, etc., and he felt vindicated.

That was one of the most revealing interviews I saw/heard last summer. Of course, he was also ecstatic, grateful for the support, humbled, etc., but that comment to me was so telling. And I remember thinking, wow. David Cook’s not just this goober who got lucky– he’s a competitive, vindictive little bitch. Haha, and I loved that. To this day, he still says that sometimes it’s good to hear “no” 99 times before you hear “yes”. I love that DC is a guy who doesn’t crumble under pressure, and is driven by criticism– Simon’s early critiques “lit a fire under” him. He rose to the occasion on AI7 and won the damn thing, whereas Matt got confused by the criticisms and lost his way a little bit. But in terms of raw talent, Matt has that in spades. Anyway, sorry for the ramble. Matt’s so good right now, I hope he gets signed. Elliott did great on his first album, but no Idol has done that great going indie since.

I love that Matt got a great review. And of course enjoyed the Allison and Adam parts, the Kris part, not so much, and the others were pretty much ignored.

Yeah, I understand it’s his opinion that Kris is bland, but it didn’t seem like a well-backed opinion, just a lazy, biased one. And he could’ve still called Matt second best without being so mean about Kris if only he worded it more carefully.

I forgot to mention that one couple on SYTYCD Canada performed to David Cook’s song The Time of My Life

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oqi5t43lEm4

My problem with the Detroit News review is that the reviewer clearly went into the concert determined to hate Kris’ set. And that he was very nasty in what he wrote — it came off more as a personal attack than a review. The reviewer’s opinion is his own, and he’s entitled to it, but I really didn’t appreciate the nastiness. And it would have been nice if he had been able to approach the concert with an open mind — something that I felt like he did not do. He also basically ignored talking about anyone other than Adam, Kris or Matt, which is too bad, although some of the others might be happy to be ignored, if he was going to be as nasty about them as he was about Kris. I hope Kris doesn’t see this review — there’s nothing in it that could be called constructive criticism.

Has anyone checked to see if any of the other Detroit papers have reviews? I went on the Free Press’ site a few hours ago, but didn’t see anything.

I like Anoop’s sleepers! Slezak is really good at interviewing the idols. Anoop gave a good interview I think probably because he knew his words would be taken seriously by Slezak rather than like an interlude for other media interviewers.

Matt interview from yesterday:

http://www.fox17online.com/news/fox17-idol-tour-matt-giraud-detroit,0,6931100.story

nvm

I am thrilled that Queen Latifah will be a guest host on AI. I said before that I thought she would make a great replacement for Paula (if in fact Paula’s not coming back). Maybe the “Queen” will change her mind about it being a permanent position.

I have always liked idolatry because these people are real fans of the show..they aren’t being “forced” to cover the idols…which makes the interviews more interesting for the fans.Go Anoop!

Yeah, those “sleepers”/slippers are really cute…

I forgot to mention that one couple on SYTYCD Canada performed to David Cook’s song The Time of My Life
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oqi5t43lEm4

Heh, that song is going to linger on forever … I just heard it on the radio on two different channels yesterday.

Here’s a TVStar.com interview on Danny. It’s dated today, but doesn’t seem like anything new.

Although they say, Danny showed up at his auditions with “best friend Jamal in toe …” I think they mean tow, but whatevs.

Warning: Smelly bus gate potential. And who’s Neil?

http://news.tvstar.com/Article/224

Speaking of SYTYCD Canada – someone mentioned that the exit song was the song Adam and Kris sang for the finale Ford commercial. I didn’t know there was a recorded version of that song?

Thanks for the link to the David Cook interview, K4DC. That guy was a fantastic interviewer. I get tired of the interviews by DJs who have ADD and/or try to make the interview about themselves and their cleverness. And they talked about the time signature debates, LOL! That’s a guy who’s done his homework!

Can we get Slezak to do monthly Idolatry interviews with all of the popular former Idols? I’d pay for a subscription to that!

Let me get this straight. The kid who wants to ‘make music for music’s sake’ is doing the Brittney spears cover on the Idol Tour?

Well, alrighty, then.

There’s a podcast of the Argus Leader’s David Cook interview that has a lot more in-depth information in it:

Be sure to check it out! (The audio is not fabulous, but it’s worth the listen.)

I was able to help the reporter out with questions, so we were able to get a little more insight than the usual suspects.

Thank you. That’s one of the best interviews I’ve heard with Cook probably because it focuses so much more on the music, the process, and his future plans with the music. I don’t think there was a fluff question in the bunch. Good job!

And, speaking of putting together a live album, did the interviewer bring up Frampton? I can’t quite tell from the audio. The reason I ask is that someone threw out a question on twitter, the other day, asking us what our favorite anthem or anthemic song was, and frankly, I could not think of JUST one (although all those I thought of were from the 70′s/early 80′s). But, the first that popped into my head was Frampton’s incredible performance live of “Do You Feel Like We Do.” It just made me smile, when Frampton’s name came up in this interview in terms of the gold standard of a live album. What a coincidink!

Detroit News:

Allison Iraheta, the magenta-haired rock and roll sparkplug, said Giraud’s set is her favorite on the tour.

Ruh-roh. Doesn’t she know better than to say such inflammatory things? She can always say the paper misquoted her, I suppose.

MTV crew will film Kelly Clarkson’s New York State Fair grandstand concert

http://blog.syracuse.com/listenup/2009/08/mtv_crew_will_film_kelly_clark.html

He also basically ignored talking about anyone other than Adam, Kris or Matt, which is too bad

Seriously. What are you supposed to write about Lil Rounds or Michael Sarver or Scott the blind kid? Some of this year’s cast are so forgettable that I can’t even remember their names. You could be at the concert, in the middle of their set, take a sip of Coke, and forget what they are singing.

I am not sure if this has been posted but another interview of David Cook from Wyoming: http://www.wyomingnews.com/articles/2009/08/24/entertainment/01ent_08-24-09.txt

Yeah, the Detroit news review was very harsh’ ¦ But bluntly honest, as far as this kind of a review can be. After all, its one man’s opinion, nothing more to it. But I think, there’s a lot of similarity in reviews regarding Adam, even if a reviewer isn’t an completely sold Adam’s fan. It’s not just because of his talent, stage presence, voice, moves etc. Lots of current musicians have that. He is absolutely exciting both ‘“ the critics and the audience, theatrical but accessible, and it’s not a coincidence that he has often been compared to megastars of the past, legends (usually, long dead by now) and not to the current ones. In a current music industry, when everyone works with the same producers and song-writers, labeled so hermetically and take a very limited amount of risks, if any, having someone like Adam is refreshing. Also for critics. Seriously, there’s a lot of good musicians and performers out there, but how many of them exciting and unforgettable? When even if you don’t LOVE them, you get a boost of energy and excitement out of their music and performance? So, in comparison to Kris,or anyone actually, Adam has this leverage (and again ‘“ Kris is extremely talented, but sometimes- “look alike”). But comparison to dead megastars is a very tricky thing; it’s flattering but also a very hard to top and to leave up to. I hope his album will deliver, otherwise the critics will “kill” him. I think no one will forgive him a mediocre album. Unlike other Idols, IMO he gets only one chance to prove himself, or he’ll be thrown away as recording artist at least.
And as for Queen Latifah for Idol ‘“ I think it’s genius, she can really give Simon a run for the money, and we all will only benefit from it.

MJ, I enjoyed you on the VFTW radio show last night. The callers were pretty funny, too — nice to hear about your days on the JPL fanboards!

If anyone wants to listen to the show, go to the VFTW website (www.votefortheworst.com) and page down for the link. (Sorry, I haven’t yet figured out how to post links here.) And don’t worry, Dave was very nice to MJ. However, be warned that there was some snarking about OTT fans — this is VFTW, after all.

I think no one will forgive him a mediocre album. Unlike other Idols, IMO he gets only one chance to prove himself, or he’ll be thrown away as recording artist at least.

That is a sad, scary and stressful thought :down_tb:

He also basically ignored talking about anyone other than Adam, Kris or Matt, which is too bad

Makes sense to me – Kris won, the reviewer was favorably impressed by Adam’s and Matt’s performances, and it’s Matt’s hometown. BTW he was also positive about Allison. And for the others, this reviewer was apparently not impressed by their performances.

Elsewhere there were few surprises. Performers took the stage in the order they were voted off, starting with roughneck Texan Michael Sarver, and on through Megan Joy, Scott MacIntyre, Lil Rounds, Anoop Desai and the rest of the herd. Joy’s voice is unique and quirky but her performance came off as lazy, while sparkplug rocker Allison Iraheta was a good match for Pink’s “So What.” She played the rocker role to a T, and you believed her when she sang “I’m still a rock star” as wind blew through her magenta-colored locks.

Actually, I don’t think the bar will be notably high for Adam’s album. I think the reviewers are prepared to embrace an album of pop pablum from Adam in the same way they were with the debut albums from Kelly Clarkson and Carrie Underwood. To whatever extent Adam can mix some really good stuff in with Lady Gaga pop dance tunes, the reviewers will fall all over themselves.

As for the concert reviews, you are right on the money. Lambert has the “it” factor. Fans and reviewers are responding to that, regardless of whether Adam’s style (and style of music) is their cup of tea. For example, I hate — and I mean hate — theatrical rock. Always have. Adam is so good at it that he’s making me go back and consider that style of music in a new light. That’a win – win for me, as a music fan. All things being equal, I would rather appreciate more styles of music.

So far, the only stuff I’ve put in iTunes as a result of Adam that I’ve deleted are the three Muse albums. I couldn’t find anything I liked there and finally just hit “delete”. But, there have been some fantastic discoveries, too. Goldfrapp is incredible and some of the Thievery Corporation stuff is fantastic — world techno. I remain “meh” on Bowie (Ziggy Stardust was the last Bowie album I had bought), but the three CDs of Queen’s greatest hits are getting pretty regular play. I was never a big fan before.

The Detroit review is strongly worded, to be sure. But, it seems to be saying the same thing many reviewers have said in a variety of ways. My theory, fwiw (little to nothing) is a little different than the usual: “the author is a bitter Adam fan, lazy critic, who doesn’t get it.”

Aside from being the paper’s pop music guy and presumably coming in with a broader base of music and entertainment experience than some Idol junkies, he’s writing for the hometown rag of another very talented guy. Since Idol breeds competition and comparisons, it seems disingenuous to slam a reviewer for resorting to the same. It’s no real surprise that the hometown guy got more love, and deservedly so. Matt is truly talented.

In addition, expectations do color perspective, like it or not. Kris comes in with high ones because he won, besting all the rest (including Adam and Danny.) Matt comes in with lower ones because he placed in the also-rans and largely choked on the show. (Adam comes in with stratospheric ones due to press buzz, and because he’s Adam, but that’s not germane to this discussion. ) As a consequence, Kris must really shine to receive a great review, while Matt need only do better than expected to get a “pleasantly surprised” response.

For me (for you, for me) I did enjoy Matt’s set more than Kris’ when I saw the show. That’s just a fact. It doesn’t mean alot, but it is true. It says nothing about who is “better,” it just means that for me, Matt put on a better show that night.

All of that said, switch the results and performance placement for Matt and Kris? That’s a tough one. But I’m pretty sure that even as amazing as Matt is on Hard to Handle, if as the winner, he performed it after Adam, I’m pretty sure a lot of peeps would be thinking: “Bitch, please.”

In that regard, “Detroit is Adam Lambert country.” Ouch! That had to sting a bit, no?

I forgot to mention that one couple on SYTYCD Canada performed to David Cook’s song The Time of My Life

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oqi5t43lEm4

I know that’s not the first time ToML’s been used, but it’s so disconcerting — let alone ironic — to have it chopped up like that. I wonder if David’s heard it either time it’s been used and what *his* reaction is to having a song of his abbreviated the way he had to do to others’ work on Idol. (Granted, I know he doesn’t really think of this song as his.)

I am not sure if this has been posted but another interview of David Cook from Wyoming: http://www.wyomingnews.com/articles/2009/08/24/entertainment/01ent_08-24-09.txt

The most amusing part of that interview, in light of recent discussions on this site, was this:

Q: What’s one of the most memorable things a fan has said to you?

Cook: ‘The things that stick out to me aren’t what’s said all of the time; it’s what’s done.

‘I’ve been smelled a few times, which is just funny; for the most part people are respectful and say they have a great time at the show. For me that’s what it’s all about. I want people to get into the record and the show.

Why does this make me think of Adam? Heh.

I am thrilled that Queen Latifah will be a guest host on AI.

All the article says is that she’s been asked to be a guest judge, and she says she’s not sure if she’ll do it.

hwc
Aug 27th, 2009 at 12:05 pm
Let me get this straight. The kid who wants to ‘make music for music’s sake’ is doing the Brittney spears cover on the Idol Tour?

Well, alrighty, then.

It’s actually a Bobby Brown cover. Brit’s version was a cover, too.

Thank you. That’s one of the best interviews I’ve heard with Cook probably because it focuses so much more on the music, the process, and his future plans with the music. I don’t think there was a fluff question in the bunch. Good job!

And, speaking of putting together a live album, did the interviewer bring up Frampton? I can’t quite tell from the audio. The reason I ask is that someone threw out a question on twitter, the other day, asking us what our favorite anthem or anthemic song was, and frankly, I could not think of JUST one (although all those I thought of were from the 70′s/early 80′s). But, the first that popped into my head was Frampton’s incredible performance live of ‘Do You Feel Like We Do.’  It just made me smile, when Frampton’s name came up in this interview in terms of the gold standard of a live album. What a coincidink!

Yeah, he did mention Frampton. I’m sure it was because Frampton played at our county fair just a week or so before, so it was fresh in his mind.

Happy to read the reviews of Phil’s cd. I am not sure I quite agree with Christianity Today’s take on the cd as being “nothing new” and “typical.” Christian music, in general, can be considered “typical,” I feel, overall, because the main subject is God and the Christian’s relationship with Him; but for me, the newness happens in how the message is presented. I find newness in the fact that it is Phil Stacey, all that he stands for, and his particular style that stand out to me and make my admiration for him even deeper.

It’s actually a Bobby Brown cover. Brit’s version was a cover, too.

Whatever.

You can’t claim to be serious about music and then go out and perform the title track from a Brittney Spears CD as your big closer. Come on.

Anoop needs to go back to Chapel Hill and put together a kick-ass band doing Brittney Spears and Bobby Brown and assorted boy-band covers and hit the frat party circuit. Do an indie CD on the side.

Actually, I don’t think the bar will be notably high for Adam’s album. I think the reviewers are prepared to embrace an album of pop pablum from Adam in the same way they were with the debut albums from Kelly Clarkson and Carrie Underwood. To whatever extent Adam can mix some really good stuff in with Lady Gaga pop dance tunes, the reviewers will fall all over themselves.

I’m inclined to agree with you, hwc. All’s Adam needs are a couple of solid hits. Critics generally didn’t just fall into the music industry yesterday; they’ve usually developed some base of knowledge along the way. And I don’t think anyone expects an album put together in a few rushed months is going to be masterful. The “2012″ thing is a freebie, that appears to be happening.

Few hits = sophomore effort. Kat just got one and I didn’t even realize she released a first album. (Didn’t follow that season, but I have a long commute, so am at least a little on top of what’s getting airplay). I couldn’t tell you one song she’s sang.

Both Adam and Kris will have to prove something more with their records that come out in the fall. But, critics are people (like concert goers) and it appears that Kris has an uphill battle to climb while Adam has the wind at his back. I like Kris as a person because he has truely been an example of the way people should be treated and loved. But, musically, he does nothing for me. I wish him success but, sorry to say, he is boring. Adam has tons of buzz and if the song for the 2012 movie is as good as some are saying, he will only soar. I count down the days til we all hear it for ourselves. i agree with some others on the concert thread that people have been making excuses for Kris’s style, mediocre or bad reviews, etc. The world is not made of Abduls. Kris would have probably gotten better reviews had he not won. He would be the rising star like Matt I am sure. Instead, he is constantly compared to Adam. Yes, it has got to be getting to him by now. I feel sorry for him but it won’t cause me to buy his CD unless he blows it out of the universe and does something different than I have seen in person.

but the three CDs of Queen’s greatest hits are getting pretty regular play. I was never a big fan before.

Aw, hwc, you just dropped a rung on my respect ladder. Being pretty near the top, you should take care not to fall too quickly, you could really get hurt. Guess it’s never too late to learn though, so kudos to you in your new fanship. Way to keep an open mind. lol

See, that’s what I’m saying about Anoop. People think he like, lacks ambition and stuff because he’s reserved and focus. What do you expect? Him to have a marching band following him while he screams into a bullhorn about wanting a record deal? Anoop isn’t going to give up, and like he said, he’s not afraid of working at something. He’s aware it’s going to be difficult, but it’s a challenge, one he hopes to triumph over.

there’s this interview with him:
http://www.ohiomm.com/blogs/heldenfiles/2009/08/idol-conversations-anoop-desai/

excerpt:
Well, first of all, a lot of people from “Idol,” if they don’t win or whatever, they just go home. They resume their previous life. To me, that’s just unimaginable and unacceptable for me, really. This is what I want to do. I’ve never been one to shy away from challenge, to do whatever it takes no matter how long it takes. So, I think, my stick-to-it-iveness is going to come in handy. …. I have a very clear perspective on where I want to go, and where my niche is in the music industry today. So I think right now it’s just finding someone that shares that vision.

Like I said in a prior post that was deleted because it was off topic whatever i don’t hold a grudge, i’d rather be a fan of someone who’s going to give it a real go while everyone around him his smirking at his chances than someone who has no direction and is just going to wing it.

Hey, I’ve always assumed that a band as huge as Queen doesn’t get there without being seriously good and that, if I don’t get into them, it’s probably my fault. In the case of Queen, I just always disliked theatrical rock and my only exposure to their music was the occasional song on the radio or at football games. It’s a different perspective to go back and listen to 30 or 40 songs in a body of work. Plus, like I say, Adam has opened my ears to a style of singing that I simply didn’t appreciate before.

BTW, another artist that I never really “got” was Jimmy Buffett. The Margarittaville and Cheeseburger in Paradise radio hits were just OK for me dog. I’ve been listening to his four CD box set: Boats, Beaches, Bars & Ballads and am blown away by his body of work. Boy, did I miss the boat, so to speak. Again, when an artist builds that kind of a following over that many decades there’s usually something there.

That’s the downside of radio airplay. In many cases, potential fans are only exposed to your least interesting stuff.

3 paragraphs in a post, is it really you hwc? you are chatty today.

I shared the same playlist add-delete with you. I’m a Queen fan now.

[The kid who won] would have probably gotten better reviews had he not won.

No question about it. He’d be the little engine that could instead of the Idol version of the OJ verdict. It is what it is.

That’s the downside of radio airplay. In many cases, potential fans are only exposed to your least interesting stuff.

Too true. That’s why I’m forever the album (not singles) buyer. The best stuff is almost never on the radio hit lists!

P.S. There went another ladder rung for you, Mr. No Buffett?! Were you beach-deprived as a child? LOL j/k I could never have survived my many beach treks without Buffett and Bob Marley…

ETA: I’m over here laughing about all the references to Britney covers, as I had NO IDEA she’d covered either Satisfaction or My Perogative. lol @ myself.

You can’t claim to be serious about music and then go out and perform the title track from a Brittney Spears CD as your big closer. Come on.

Really? So I guess you can’t take Adam Lambert serious. Didn’t he do Satisfaction by Britney Spears- I mean, the Rolling Stones?

Too bad for Adam! Damn. Someone covering a song sure does make it lose all musical merit.

ABC just released the TV promos for FlashForward. There are 5 spots, 3 1:00 and 2 0:30 promos. None of them include any of Mad World in them. Also, the new long-version of the FlashForward movie trailer no longer contains Mad World.

My guess is that the song will not be used and one of the following happened:

1. Most likely — ABC has decided not to use Mad World with FlashForward in any major way because they wanted to position the show as an action series and Mad World is not appropriate for that.

2. Possible — the Mad World version was just part of a multi-facetted attemt to get buzz for the series. Like the Comic Con panel/promo, the online Mosaic, and so on.

3. Maybe — 19 was too greedy.

4. Not very likely — Adam’s management didn’t want the song associated with the series.

5. Impossible – Tears for Fears wouldn’t clear use.

For me (for you, for me) I did enjoy Matt’s set more than Kris’ when I saw the show. That’s just a fact. It doesn’t mean alot, but it is true. It says nothing about who is ‘better,’  it just means that for me, Matt put on a better show that night.

I was not a fan of Matt’s on AI. Thought he was a nice guy but seemed nervous and didn’t deliver, plus he was given so many chances. When I saw the tour show, however, Matt was in my top 3. His set had energy, he interacted with the audience, the songs were fun, and he seemed to give all which impressed me. Some of the other performers were not as engaged and seemed to be going through the motions of yet another show.

I was disappointed in Kris’ stage presence. During both Heartless and the more energetic ATTID, he pretty much kept his focus straight ahead, almost never looking to his right.

Heartless http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t262qvRK5lw
ATTTID http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WafmKipAfDo

One of Cook’s shining attributes on last year’s tour (saw a couple shows) is that he worked consistently to connect with people seated throughout the arena, even in the very back. I’m sure it took a lot out of him but it was great for us.

Last year’s stage was much better for engaging the audience — wings coming out on each side and a circular thing coming out of the center.

excerpt:
Well, first of all, a lot of people from ‘Idol,’  if they don’t win or whatever, they just go home. They resume their previous life. To me, that’s just unimaginable and unacceptable for me, really. This is what I want to do. I’ve never been one to shy away from challenge, to do whatever it takes no matter how long it takes. So, I think, my stick-to-it-iveness is going to come in handy. ‘ ¦. I have a very clear perspective on where I want to go, and where my niche is in the music industry today. So I think right now it’s just finding someone that shares that vision.

I am really suprised Anoops said this. I have had this image that he is a little lazy, a little shallow and not really burning for music. Interesting!

[The kid who won] would have probably gotten better reviews had he not won.

If Kris would have been better off NOT winning Idol, and Adam is better off NOT winning Idol (as many have said), that doesn’t speak very well for winning the title, does it? That microphone trophy might as well be tied around the winner’s ankle like a ball and chain.

You know, part of this Queen thing for me was the music industry’s fault. I spent the better part of the 80s re-purchasing my music collection on CD. I had hundreds and hundreds of LPs and it was all I could do to afford CD replacements for my all time favorites so there wasn’t a lot of extra cash for exploring different stuff. I saw quite a bit of good live music in the 80s, but it was mostly stuff like Dylan, the Dead, Stevie Wonder, Clapton, and so forth.

The first time around for Queen (late 70s) I was mostly into American roots rock (Dylan, the Dead, the Allmans) and jazz-fusion (Mahavishnu, Herbie Hancock, Weather Report, etc.)

I am really surprised Anoop said this. I have had this image that he is a little lazy, a little shallow and not really burning for music. Interesting!

That is kind of the impression he gives off. He is sort of mellow and quiet, but honestly, he’s just thinking and processing. He’s not a hyper kid, never was. But he is burning for music. He’s been doing it forever.

but Anoop is exceptionally driven. he was really ticked about being rated 6th, and vowed to never come in 6th again.

Hey, I’ve always assumed that a band as huge as Queen doesn’t get there without being seriously good and that, if I don’t get into them, it’s probably my fault. In the case of Queen, I just always disliked theatrical rock and my only exposure to their music was the occasional song on the radio or at football games. It’s a different perspective to go back and listen to 30 or 40 songs in a body of work. Plus, like I say, Adam has opened my ears to a style of singing that I simply didn’t appreciate before.

BTW, another artist that I never really ‘got’  was Jimmy Buffett. The Margarittaville and Cheeseburger in Paradise radio hits were just OK for me dog. I’ve been listening to his four CD box set: Boats, Beaches, Bars & Ballads and am blown away by his body of work. Boy, did I miss the boat, so to speak. Again, when an artist builds that kind of a following over that many decades there’s usually something there.

Very happy that gay kid on a reality TV show could get you to appreciate real music.Nothing like playing queen on the way to the boat.Then hitting the sandbar with some buffet and a cold 1.

I know this is off topic, but Taylor Hicks is on Regis & Kelly tomorrow morning — a repeat.

hwc Aug 27th, 2009 at 12:44 pm

You can’t claim to be serious about music and then go out and perform the title track from a Brittney Spears CD as your big closer. Come on.

right…except not. “my prerogative” is a classic in the urban/r&b world. other, “inferior” artists covering the original in no way detracts from it.

alison8701 Aug 27th, 2009 at 1:08 pm

Really? So I guess you can’t take Adam Lambert serious. Didn’t he do Satisfaction by Britney Spears- I mean, the Rolling Stones?

Too bad for Adam! Damn. Someone covering a song sure does make it lose all musical merit.

i love you and your love for anoop.

Matt and Elliott are my two favorite Idol contestants of all time. I certainly hope Matt gets a better deal than Elliott has. Fight for Love is great and deserves to be played on American airwaves!

Album reviews are much more important than concert reviews and I think they are going to be brutal for all three of the idols.

I don’t know why a music critic would take into account the fact that they had only a few months to record. Their albums are going to cost the same as the other artists so they need to be judged by the same standards.

Ultimately tough, the most important thing will be the singles and how much radio airplay they are going to get.

Really? So I guess you can’t take Adam Lambert serious. Didn’t he do Satisfaction by Britney Spears- I mean, the Rolling Stones?

Britney covered Satisfaction?

Anoop needs to go back to Chapel Hill and put together a kick-ass band doing Brittney Spears and Bobby Brown and assorted boy-band covers and hit the frat party circuit. Do an indie CD on the side.

Or just go back to Chapel Hill(period) and get on with that PhD…

Kris comes in with high ones because he won,

And especially to reviewers, like this one, that wanted Adam to win. So as a human being (who I’m sure likes some types of music more than others) it seems he may have reviewed w/ a lack of objectivity. This is fine, it’s an opinion and he holds the platform to express it to a wide audience. Why not make the most of it?

Didn’t Britney do “we will rock you”? She was on that bike…

Here is Britney’s cover of Statisfaction

This is the album version: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LnpILAV05xo

And live at the MTV VMA’s
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x7uuz3_britney-spears-satisfactionoidia-mt_music

alison8701, totally agree with you about Anoop. He has a clear picture of what he wants to accomplish, and I don’t see him giving up anytime soon. His determination is what I LOVE about him!

For those who think he’s not serious about a music career, I still don’t get where that’s coming from. In practically all his interviews and from everything I’ve read, he seems pretty serious. It’s not like he just decided to start singing, he’s been singing his whole life. And regarding MP, I sort of thought he chose it for tour because it’s what got him into the top 13. I think he does a great job with MP.

This is fine, it’s an opinion and he holds the platform to express it to a wide audience. Why not make the most of it?

He did!

regarding flashfoward – the song may not be used in the promos or as the theme, but that doesn’t mean it won’t be used in an episode. Grey’s Anatomy has introduced me to plenty of songs and artist because of their soundtracks. So funny I have their soundtracks on my ipod, but I can’t stand to watch the show.

He did!

That point was never in question for me.

Thanks sasha b. I obviously like Adam’s better;)

Here is Britney’s cover of Statisfaction

This is the album version: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LnpILAV05xo

And live at the MTV VMA’s
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x7uuz3_britney-spears-satisfactionoidia-mt_music

OK that was really painful to watch. I can’t stand her singing, she makes my skin crawl.

Hm, not sure why Kris needs excuses for what happens after AI8 – the tour is over. It’s a whole new ball game come fall. So yeah, I think the jury is still out for Kris Allen – today, August 27th. I seem to recall hearing how Blake Lewis had so much buzz on the AI6 tour — more so than Jordin. And look how that turned out? Jordin has a platinum album under her belt, a hit single off her second major label album, and is touring with Britney Spears. Blake Lewis made it on the headlines for IRS back taxes. Now Adam, IMO, is far more talented than Blake Lewis. So I think judgement will be reserved until at least a single is released and certainly for Kris’s album to drop to say he’s “doomed”. Kris is coming off Idol more popular than Jordin, too.

That microphone trophy might as well be tied around the winner’s ankle like a ball and chain.

Alrighty then….of all the AI “winners” who really has embraced the title and uses it today. Let me think. Seems to me that Carrie is the only one that “seems” to make a point of praising her AI connection.

Of the other winners they have all had their “problems” with being an AI winner. Kelly still seems to have misgivings about the “genre” she was handed, Reuben will forever (probably like Kris) have to fight off the perception that his winning was a “fan” fluke and he wasn’t the most deserving, Fantasia has to fight the battle of the Divas and Jennifer will always one-up her, Taylor won but he will never be considered the “true winner” and he already lost the fight with the number 4 finisher, Jordin (all 6 feet of women that she is) gets marketed to the tweeny boppers and is known as the winner of the “worst” season of Idol, and David C. couldn’t wait to drop his coronation song (and vows he will never sing it again) and is so tired of the AI moniker that he is really looking into being known in the future as a band member…hence Anthemic.

Personally, I do think winning is a curse and think that “many” new auditioners are looking (like Adam did) for the recognition and not necessarily the title. I think Kris did come out holding the short end of the stick and per history he will always have to fight the uphill battle to overcome his “winning”.

In addition, expectations do color perspective, like it or not. Kris comes in with high ones because he won, besting all the rest (including Adam and Danny.) Matt comes in with lower ones because he placed in the also-rans and largely choked on the show. (Adam comes in with stratospheric ones due to press buzz, and because he’s Adam, but that’s not germane to this discussion. ) As a consequence, Kris must really shine to receive a great review, while Matt need only do better than expected to get a ‘pleasantly surprised’  response.

I completely agree and I think that’s why Kris is falling woefully short on these reviews. He beat the contestant who many view as the best vocalist/performer the show has ever seen and when you see Kris live you’re expecting him to “justify” that win and he’s just not doing it. Whereas with Matt, he completely choked on the show and when you see him live he blows you away in comparison and you actually come away thinking he should’ve placed higher. Adam on the other hand is totally living up to his hype on the show. He is actually proving that the praise from the judges and media were spot on and it has people wondering how he lost.

For me (for you, for me) I did enjoy Matt’s set more than Kris’ when I saw the show. That’s just a fact. It doesn’t mean alot, but it is true. It says nothing about who is ‘better,’  it just means that for me, Matt put on a better show that night.

Same here. I didn’t like Matt on the show but came out of the concert a fan and the girl I took with me who had never seen the show came out with a big crush on Matt LOL…

All of that said, switch the results and performance placement for Matt and Kris? That’s a tough one. But I’m pretty sure that even as amazing as Matt is on Hard to Handle, if as the winner, he performed it after Adam, I’m pretty sure a lot of peeps would be thinking: ‘Bitch, please.’ 

Anyone following Adam, with the possible exception of Allison, would get a “bitch please” IMO. She’s the only one who even comes remotely close to him in vocal intensity and energy on stage.

In that regard, ‘Detroit is Adam Lambert country.’  Ouch! That had to sting a bit, no?

did someone actually say that? ouch is right.

And especially to reviewers, like this one, that wanted Adam to win. So as a human being (who I’m sure likes some types of music more than others) it seems he may have reviewed w/ a lack of objectivity. This is fine, it’s an opinion and he holds the platform to express it to a wide audience. Why not make the most of it?

I don’t see why wanting Adam to win would necessarily negate his ability to be objective. The show ended three months ago I have a hard time believing that a professional music critic would hold a grudge over a reality show for that long just waiting for the chance to slam Kris. Perhaps it’s more likely that Kris just isn’t as exciting a performer….practically every review has said the same thing…are they all written by disgruntled Adam whiners?
I don’t think that’s possible.

edit: back off the defensiveness. I don’t see you fingerwagging hwc when he does the exact same thing

Kris comes in with high ones because he won,

And especially to reviewers, like this one, that wanted Adam to win.

Of course. But I believe even a casual observer with no preconceived preference could come away with the same views, based on relative expectations (or even standing alone.) That was the point of my post and my views on why it keeps happening to Kris.

In that regard, ‘Detroit is Adam Lambert country.’  Ouch! That had to sting a bit, no?

did someone actually say that? ouch is right.

That was the opening line of the Detroit News review. It got lost in the shitstorm that hit over the comments about Kris.

Thanks for your other views! I agree.

Britney also did a cover of I love Rock N Roll from Joan Jett. Miley Cyrus covered Girls Just Wanna Have Fun. Who covers what means nothing, just that the original song was popular.

and yeah, Anoop does MP because it shows a different side of him- a less serious fun side, and it was what helped him get into the top 13 or whatever.

My Prerogative was a HUGE #1 hit. Britney recorded it for her Greatest Hits CD and even though she made a video and performed it at a couple of events it didn’t really make a dent on the charts. Anoop is singing a Bobby Brown song, not a Britney song. The majority of people hearing it on tour will know it as a BB song.

Didn’t Britney do ‘we will rock you’ ? She was on that bike’ ¦

She sang it for a Pepsi commercial with P!nk and someone else I’m blanking out on. But naturally it’s no longer a Queen song!

Really? So I guess you can’t take Adam Lambert serious. Didn’t he do Satisfaction by Britney Spears- I mean, the Rolling Stones

This FTW!

One of Cook’s shining attributes on last year’s tour (saw a couple shows) is that he worked consistently to connect with people seated throughout the arena, even in the very back. I’m sure it took a lot out of him but it was great for us.

I adore Kris but the difference in the stage presence between him and DC last year is huge. Didn’t the tour director or someone else connected to the tour say something similar? I remember him talking about how different they were when it came to preparing the sets. Not saying I want Kris to jump on high railings banging on his guitar but I wish he would loosen up a little. IMO he’s too attached to the guitar and its restraining him. Because truth me told as much as I like him as an artist and as a singer I’ve been a little bored watching some of the tour vids.

This was the one year I didn’t want my favorite to win because I knew it was going to be a battle for him. But overall I don’t see winning as some curse. Even for the ones who didn’t skyrocket into superstars the ratio is higher for winners doing better than lower placed finishers. Clay, Daughtry and Jennifer Hudson are the exception, not the rule.

For those who think he’s not serious about a music career, I still don’t get where that’s coming from.

When I interviewed Anoop, he struck me as being serious as a heart attack. He seems very determined. Good luck to him.

Kind of relevant: Slezak names Kris as his number 2 hottie and Ade as his number one.

http://popwatch.ew.com/2009/08/27/ultimate-hotties-ews-staff-picks/

Yeah, I’ll agree with Slezak, Kris being on the list is a very badly kept secret.

IICR, Adam is a fan of Britney Spears. He is following her in twitter.

Anyhoo, I think Anoop is serious and ambitious about a music career.

HWC: The first time around for Queen (late 70s) I was mostly into American roots rock (Dylan, the Dead, the Allmans) and jazz-fusion (Mahavishnu, Herbie Hancock, Weather Report, etc.)

I haven’t thought of Weather Report for years! Thanks for reminding me of them!

HappyDaisy: I was not a fan of Matt’s on AI. Thought he was a nice guy but seemed nervous and didn’t deliver, plus he was given so many chances. When I saw the tour show, however, Matt was in my top 3. His set had energy, he interacted with the audience, the songs were fun, and he seemed to give all which impressed me. Some of the other performers were not as engaged and seemed to be going through the motions of yet another show.

I was disappointed in Kris’ stage presence. During both Heartless and the more energetic ATTID, he pretty much kept his focus straight ahead, almost never looking to his right.

I agree. For me, Matt went from “Why did they waste the save on him?” to “Wow, this guy is really talented.” when I saw him live. Moved from my #4 of the AI8 to my #2.

Regarding Kris: I don’t enjoy acoustic pop music unless it is someone with an R&B sensibility like Adele, but Kris impressed me with a couple of his performances on the Idol — ANS (both times) and Falling Slowly. But after seeing him live 3 times, I just couldn’t get excited about Kris’ performances. I felt like I was watching someone perform who would have done the same performance with or without the audience. He seemed very inwardly focused and didn’t connect with the audience. JMO and certainly I know many people love seeing Kris live. And that’s great — just doesn’t work for me.

And, to be fair to Kris, I don’t listen to The Killers, Matchbox 20 or most contemporary acoustic pop music. And, although I love The Beattle, my favorite Beattle is John, not Paul, and “Hey Jude” is my 2nd least favorite Beattle hit (only behind Yellow Submarine). So, Kris really had no chance to make me a fan with his concert set. I’ll keep an open mind about his original music, but I will probably never be a fan of his music — just of him as a person.

Adam, on the other hand, performs both contemporary and classic genres that I love, and his vocal style suits my taste. So, he had me when I heard his audition clip and he hit the high notes on Bohemian Rhapsody. And he’s just gotten better for me since then.

I think anoop’s serious. Jmo one of the reasons ppl don’t think he’s serious is becuz he has other options to fall back on. Most ppl don’t have that.law I think?

Of course. But I believe even a casual observer with no preconceived preference could come away with the same views, based on relative expectations (or even standing alone.) That was the point of my post and my views on why it keeps happening to Kris.

I went to my concert with someone who hadn’t watched the show and had no bias of having a favorite that she had wanted to win. She went in expecting the winner to be the best one performing. We left after Kris’ first song because she was completely turned off by his style. She loved Matt. In fact the next night when I went to another show she made me promise to tape his Hard to Hold performance for her LOL.

I love Adam’s voice and his song choices.hell if I hadn’t heard Adam I would probably still be listening to the black eyed peas and shit like that. an exaggeration but really .

Better review of Kris in the Oakland Press:

Hometown “Idol” gets his moment at The Palace

From today’s Minneapolis Star Tribune pre-concert rundown of lots of upcoming concerts:

Here’s a prediction: Runner-up Adam Lambert will steal the show during American Idols Live. With his interpretations of Led Zeppelin and David Bowie, Glambert will make concertgoers forget that middle-of-the-road show-closer Kris Allen was voted the winner on TV. We’re betting on Allison Iraheta to hold her own, too, in what could be a wildly inconsistent evening. (7 p.m. Tue., Target Center, $40.50-$69.50.) (J.B.)

The Big Gigs: Our critics’ music picks

Please add me to the list of people who love luv.

Minneapolis is taking no chances, that the audience might see the Idol show with an open mind. http://www.startribune.com/entertainment/music/55403872.html?page=4&c=y

Here’s a prediction: Runner-up Adam Lambert will steal the show during American Idols Live. With his interpretations of Led Zeppelin and David Bowie, Glambert will make concertgoers forget that middle-of-the-road show-closer Kris Allen was voted the winner on TV. We’re betting on Allison Iraheta to hold her own, too, in what could be a wildly inconsistent evening. (7 p.m. Tue., Target Center, $40.50-$69.50.) (J.B.)

However, this ‘prediction’ puts the burden of selling the remaining tickets squarely on Adam.

That point was never in question for me.

Yep, sorry. I misread the first bit.

I thought you meant that if he had the platform to do a review on the show, why didnt he make the most of it.I was replying that he did!.

Your earlier comment about his bias was missed when I read it the first time.
So much to read, and all that.

Having said that, I enjoyed this review for what it was…and it’s quite consistent with most I’ve read, as the tour rolls to an end.

And yes, the usual noises and protestations to any reviews that dont favour Kris are fairly consistent as well,LOL

Allison! Your comment made me listen through all of Anoops studio recordings … but I got to tell you … this guy is too damn sentimental for my taste. A smooth operator~~ I liked beat it the most, but I heard he totally missed on that one live. The beginnign of dim the lights was nice too.

“IICR, Adam is a fan of Britney Spears. He is following her in twitter.”

Following someone on Twitter doesn’t mean that you’re really a fan of theirs. You might be looking for other information that might pop up on their tweets.

Has Adam stated that he is a fan of Britney? I haven’t been able to keep up with all the interviews, so maybe he has said that.

Awwwwwww thanks beckymd:D

Vada don’t sweat it. I honestly don’t think ANYONE will change their opinion based on that.

Has Adam stated that he is a fan of Britney? I haven’t been able to keep up with all the interviews, so maybe he has said that.

I think in the backstage interview of ford ads ‘circus’ or maybe another interview he said that. I guess he likes her theatrical stage present. just my guess tho.

ADAM INTERVIEWS!!!!! wherrrrrrre arrrre youuuuu????? is there a concert tonight?!

Silly thing here…EW.com put out list of Top hotties of 2009 — Kris is #2 on Slezak’s list

http://popwatch.ew.com/2009/08/27/ultimate-hotties-ews-staff-picks/

And my latest comment about Kris – he needs to improve his stage presence. I love him, but he can tend to be too insular on stage — he obviously loves his music, but because the energy is into the music rather out to the audience, it might be harder to feel a connection. This is something he can work on to improve, however. Experience and a better stage setup should help him. But he may simply end up being a guy who might do really well in airplay and in sales but struggle as a live performer. It’s still too soon to say.

I’d also say that any of the other current Idols would be getting even worse reviews than some of the ones Kris has gotten if they were the ones following Adam. Allison is the only one I think I hold her own — but I’m not even sure that she could do so — her current set doesn’t show off her versatility as well as it could. Any of the others would have basically no chance if their sets were constantly being compared with Adam’s.

I recall Adam talking about who he loved, Queen, Bowie, Madonna etc…and then mentioning Britney as a “guilty pleasure”. Dang, not sure where I saw this but I’m pretty sure that’s what he said.

sometimes I like britney(don’t hate me lol) . I have circus on my iPod she’s catchy. I remember I adored (slight exageration) when I was 5. I would just stare at this picture if her like wow she’s so cool. and them my older cousin tried to convince me she was stupid. I didn’t care but um..yeah. I didn’t like her and now she’s okay.weird.

HappyDaisy: I was not a fan of Matt’s on AI. Thought he was a nice guy but seemed nervous and didn’t deliver, plus he was given so many chances. When I saw the tour show, however, Matt was in my top 3. His set had energy, he interacted with the audience, the songs were fun, and he seemed to give all which impressed me. Some of the other performers were not as engaged and seemed to be going through the motions of yet another show.

I was disappointed in Kris’ stage presence. During both Heartless and the more energetic ATTID, he pretty much kept his focus straight ahead, almost never looking to his right.

I agree. For me, Matt went from ‘Why did they waste the save on him?’  to ‘Wow, this guy is really talented.’  when I saw him live. Moved from my #4 of the AI8 to my #2.

This is where I’m at. I was furious when they used the save on Matt and annoyed at all the chances they gave him. During the show I thought he was a waste of time.

Fast forward to my tour date. What the hell was I thinking? Matt’s set was a blast, he had tons of charisma and drew the whole audience in. It was clear he loved being out there and he really impressed me both vocally and on the piano.

Kris was another story. His voice was okay but he had no presence on stage. Hearing him was fine but watching him was a little like watching paint dry. Vocally I’d give the edge to Matt and in terms of stage presence it’s no contest.

luvadamlambert
Aug 27th, 2009 at 1:54 pm
I love Adam’s voice and his song choices.hell if I hadn’t heard Adam I would probably still be listening to the black eyed peas and shit like that. an exaggeration but really .

Young grasshopper there is so much great music from the 70s/80s.The music world will never be like that again.Rush,blue oyster cult,elp,boston so many could go on for days.Try to utube Edgar Winter great music.That is part why idol is so good it brings back the great music.Older peeps think wow i remember being _____ when i saw them live.Middle age peeps think i remember when _____ covered that song on my favorite album.You get stuck with auto tunes bullshit.The good news is the internet with utube brings that music to you so much easier then before.Go young grasshopper the great music is at your finger tips.

“I’am a slave for you”…lol.. how many times did that play at the clubs..ROTFL

Yeah “guilty pleasure”

glamatheart idk maybe the official AI site? Congratulations on making slezak’s list kristopher. I don’t think he should be there but it’s obviously not my list.but I don’t think ade is hot at all.

“Album reviews are much more important than concert reviews and I think they are going to be brutal for all three of the idols. ”

I think that they might be tough on Kris and Allison, but a bit kinder to Adam. RS seems to be quite in love with Adam, as is much of the media. IMO, they might be harsh on the actual content of the album, but still mention Adam’s vocal skills, performance skills, and all that has some of us following him at this point. I think that the industry sees long-term possibilities for Adam, and will not want to knock down a possible cash cow too much. The industry needs someone who can help revive things a bit. I don’t know if Adam can do that, but I think there are at least some in the industry who have their hopes pinned on Adam. (Just my impression.)

I hope that they all have at least a few great songs on their albums, so reviewers can focus on those songs, even if they dismiss the rest of the songs. I hope that all 3 do well.

LOL Steve I’m youtubing now brb

I like toxic actually, but her singing is still TERRIBLE. Britney is produced mostly by Max Martin, so I guess we have the Adam connection there. I think she has good production (if you just ignore her singing).

Luvadamlambert

Nope…there’s no concert tonight. Next one is tomorrow in Milwaukee. And get ready for the outpouring of Danny love…evidently Milwaukee is already all over that, from what I’ve seen on some other boards.

PS – Speaking of Danny, any official announcement yet on his record deal? I feel like they would do this while he’s in his hometown.

sma11ie Aug 27th, 2009 at 11:23 am

Matt was my fave this year, while David Cook was my fave last year, and despite’s Matt’s tendency to choke on the AI stage, I always saw a common thread between these two, which was their musicality. But this tweet, to me epitomizes how different they are in terms of their personality, and consequently, how they approached the AI competition. This is the opposite of what DC said about the KC show last summer’“ DC said he looked around and saw faces he recognized growing up, faces of people who told him to give up, that he would never make it, etc., and he felt vindicated.

. . . Of course, he was also ecstatic, grateful for the support, humbled, etc., but that comment to me was so telling. And I remember thinking, wow. David Cook’s not just this goober who got lucky’“ he’s a competitive, vindictive little bitch. Haha, and I loved that. To this day, he still says that sometimes it’s good to hear ‘no’  99 times before you hear ‘yes’ . I love that DC is a guy who doesn’t crumble under pressure, and is driven by criticism’“ Simon’s early critiques ‘lit a fire under’  him. He rose to the occasion on AI7 and won the damn thing, whereas Matt got confused by the criticisms and lost his way a little bit. But in terms of raw talent, Matt has that in spades.

sma11ie: I lurved that whole post. Reaction to criticism and pressure is probably one of the most damning and elusive factors in Idolworld. That was just a fascinating comparison.

ETA: to make it clear, I think what you say about Cook is a compliment. A *good* thing!

I like Britney, for me there is absolutely nothing wrong as a musician if you have admiration for Britney… sure she’s not the best singer in the world but she IS the biggest pop star in the world and has been for about a decade now – you cannot question that kind of fame and longevity, and it is something to aspire for. I think there is nothing wrong with people like Adam or Anoop or whoever the hell else, looking at Britney and thinking “I want to be that huge one day”… except of course with more talent.

And also, her albums are really quite good, IMO. They autotune her anyway so the lack of singing talent isn’t really a problem, her voice is very distinct and recognizable and she works with the best producers out there… I like listening to her albums, and would love to see a concert if ever she comes here someday because even if she lipsyncs, she still puts on one hell of a show.

I love the Brit-Brit, ngl.

Minneapolis is taking no chances, that the audience might see the Idol show with an open mind.

I don’t think that two sentences in the Minneapolis newspaper has that much influence.

Vada: However, this ‘prediction’ puts the burden of selling tickets squarely on Adam.

Most the tickets are already sold. I can’t imagine that people won’t show up because of this blurb.

luvadamlambert
Aug 27th, 2009 at 2:08 pm
sometimes I like britney(don’t hate me lol) . I have circus on my iPod she’s catchy. I remember I adored (slight exageration) when I was 5. I would just stare at this picture if her like wow she’s so cool. and them my older cousin tried to convince me she was stupid. I didn’t care but um..yeah. I didn’t like her and now she’s okay.weird.

I’ve got a few Britney tracks on my Ipod that i dance to.Love Circus….She’s a bit messed up , but she’s got some popular tunes out there.Pay no mind to the idol bubbledome, where the fans are music lovers but popular culture snobs. :tongue3_tb:

Some of these Idol alumni would kill to have even half the success Britney’s had! (but none of her failure i might add, cos she is seriously A MESS!)

Thanks girlygirl that sux;( I hope they post interviews frm yesterday though -especially video. thanks Steve that was awesome I’m gonna YouTube some of the other stuff too…

This was the one year I didn’t want my favorite to win because I knew it was going to be a battle for him. But overall I don’t see winning as some curse. Even for the ones who didn’t skyrocket into superstars the ratio is higher for winners doing better than lower placed finishers. Clay, Daughtry and Jennifer Hudson are the exception, not the rule.

Trina, I actually agree with this. I have gone back and forth on being happy that Kris won. I know I didn’t really want him to before the finale because of the reason you stated. However, I also believe that if anyone can handle the situation he is in, it’s S8 AI winner Kris Allen. (AND I FIRMLY BELIEVE HE DESERVED THE WIN!) In saying this, I’m not saying Adam did not.

The only thing I disagree on is getting bored of his tour vids! I smile through every one I watch. I’ve seen many. He and DC are two different artists and I love them both. I wouldn’t want one to be the other.

i definitely agree that kris needs to up his stage presence and audience interaction big time. and i’m not talking about banter, because it seems like they limit that amount of banter the last 2 get (probable because they get the most songs) while they let danny, scott, and matt talk quite a bit. it’s about engaging and acknowledging your audience during the performance. he gets help with two sing-a-long verses, but there’s not much outside of it.

for indie/folksy type artists (ala ray lamontagne), audience interaction isn’t required, and beautiful to watch without. just a stage, an instrument, a microphone…and singing. it’s wonderful for these types of artists.

but, for kris’ debut album at least, they’re angling him for T40 mainstream, and it’s crucial for him to improve upon his stage presence. insular just isn’t gonna work for what the idol machine is gonna put him through.

Isn’t Britney having a tour now, with Jordin (last year’s AI winner) as her concert-opener?

ETA, AI 6 winner not last year. Thanks to luv.

I think someone posted they heard danny has a record deal on a Milwaukee radio station. nothing official though. I’m sure he has one. And matt will get one too.

glamatheart idk maybe the official AI site?

Ha – I just got back from the official AI site and I saw this! Wise minds… Alas, no, I couldn’t find it but I’m sure I saw it somewhere. I need some of Q3′s super-fact finding powers…

HWC
Time definitely builds perspective. I grew up with Bowie on the airwaves. At that age, I just didn’t get it. The androgyny, make-up was just all kinds of wrong, but then again I was very young & ambiguous sexuality is strange to someone trying to figure it all out. Today, I have a completely new appreciation for Bowie and Queen. An adult one. Time definitely changes perspective.

LOL
“No question about it. He’d be the little engine that could instead of the Idol version of the OJ verdict. It is what it is.”

That is so true.. I never made that analogy. I was a freshman in college during this time and remember writing papers with the trial going on in the background & the subsequent riot that closed the college for a few days.

yes beckymd except jordin won season 6.last year was David cook.

Ita jtoms definetly top 40. by sound I’m thinking maybe matt nathanson

hah, I failed AI history.

And matt will get one too.

From reading one of Matt’s recent interviews, I don’t think he has a record deal in the works. He was talking about possibly going independent. But Michael sounds like he does… I don’t have the link to the specific interview, but when asked if he had a record deal, he said he definitely had an album coming out and he couldn’t talk about more than that at the present. Danny and Michael will be the next ones signed. I don’t think anyone else will be.

Dear Sweet Britney…a distinctive, captivating sounding voice, fair to middlin’ singing skills, pretty good dancing, “understands” that sexy stripper attitude that draws some people (men and women), good entertainer, messed up head (that someone is, thankfully, helping her work on) and the worst…she’s just “white trash” (and I hate that phrase, but oh well).

It would be nice if all the talent would find it’s way to nice, respectable, morally decent human beings…but life just doesn’t seem to work that way. And, no, I have never been a Britney fan but have always found her type of “train wreck” exceedingly interesting to watch…you know, the “but for the grace of God go I”. And she does have a very good sense about what type of material fits her voice and her style…a lot of people just don’t have that inate sense and tend to record some really terrible stuff.

OK…got to quit now…I feel a little gritty after writing any kind of kudos for Brit.

Thought this was more appropriate in Headlines than tour thread:

Someone posted that Bo got rave reviews and stole the show from Carrie. IMO, Carrie has a wonderful, wonderful voice. With her voice alone, she doesn’t need that much stage presence. If you lack in one area, you had pretty darn be outstanding in another. Even Simon said Carrie could be bigger than Kelly. Hasn’t he (Simon) been pretty accurate so far with idol contestants? He liked Kelly, Carrie, Daughtry, the Davids’ ¦ He didn’t seem to care for Taylor. His mistake was Jennifer Hudson’ ¦ but it really was a fluke that her career took off because of a movie.

edit: newbie. yes? read my guidelines. And follow them. Don’t call out other posters or flame fanwars. please dial back the defensiveness

did anoop say he was doing my prerogative because of britney? i can’t remember. somehow, i doubt it though.

and the adam connection here is logical…because both he and anoop covered songs that were covered by britney. i can’t speak for any other times, but that’s irrelevant to this discussion at least.

Nothing like playing queen on the way to the boat.Then hitting the sandbar with some buffet and a cold 1.

Queen’s Greatest Hits is the greatest road trip album ever. Especially with a group of friends who like to sing along at the top of their lungs!

David C. couldn’t wait to drop his coronation song (and vows he will never sing it again) and is so tired of the AI moniker that he is really looking into being known in the future as a band member’ ¦hence Anthemic

I don’t think so. According to the Argus Leader article above, David wants to give them a title because he is proud of them. He is not losing his own name.

Q: You’ve talked about naming the band something like “David Cook and the Anthemic.” Is that possible someday?

A: Yeah, I’m really proud of this band and I’m really proud of what we’ve been able to do, so I want to give them a title. It’s just a matter of the right name at the right time. We’ll see.

It’s true that David is distancing himself from the very successful Time Of My Life. I think that is because it is not the kind of music he wants to make. He doesn’t distance himself from The World I Know, which was his final song on American Idol, and has sung it 29 times on his current tour.

Discostix all I will say is becuz he’s Adam friggin lambert.seriously season 8 is Adam lambert. tru fax. Sherena that was the Cleveland interview. I think matt will be signed maybe not immediately but maybe kinda like phil stacey.idk I didn’t follow phil that closely.

Dear Sweet Britney’ ¦a distinctive, captivating sounding voice, fair to middlin’ singing skills,

I have three words for Britney; kill your darlings! She has an ok voice but what she does with it should be considered criminal.

Thought this was more appropriate in Headlines than tour thread:

Someone posted that Bo got rave reviews and stole the show from Carrie. IMO, Carrie has a wonderful, wonderful voice. With her voice alone, she doesn’t need that much stage presence. If you lack in one area, you had pretty darn be outstanding in another.

You could definitely argue that even though reviewers keep saying that Adam steals the show from Kris and has stage presence that doesn’t mean a thing. Same thing for Matt. Maybe stage presence is overrated. Kris has the voice and people buy CDs to listen to not watch.

It seems OT but I’ll say I’ve never been what anyone would call a Britney fan’ ¦but I own some of her music and think she’s very talented.

She has incredible stage presence. Just incredible.

You could definitely argue that even though reviewers keep saying that Adam steals the show from Kris and has stage presence that doesn’t mean a thing. Same thing for Matt. Maybe stage presence is overrated. Kris has the voice and people buy CDs to listen to not watch.

However, I think we had discussions before about how the music industry is becoming more and more reliant on not JUST selling music – a lot of money is now made on tours, plus just creating a “brand” as an artist that can be cross-promoted to other areas. For all those reasons, Adam is in a very good position to do well.

But then, I truly believe that Kris has been doing well on tour as well – despite one negative review here, he’s gotten tons of positive ones too, and, especially when he’s no longer being so closely compared to Adam (and performing right after him!) he will easily be able to perform well on his own, imo.

Jordan Sparks on Brit’s fan base

And you go to a Britney concert and it’s all of her fans and they have grown up ‘ ¦ but if they scream, they’re screaming ’cause they want to. They don’t scream at just anything, so when I took that stage and I could hear a little bit through that they were excited and that I wasn’t so out of place, it was awesome.’ 

Seems to me her fanbase is doing great..

It’s true that David is distancing himself from the very successful Time Of My Life. I think that is because it is not the kind of music he wants to make. He doesn’t distance himself from The World I Know, which was his final song on American Idol, and has sung it 29 times on his current tour.

He totally embraces Idol and never wanted to steer away from the AI connection. Magic Rainbow is a whole other animal LOL Huge hit or not can you blame him for wanting to break away from that song? It wouldn’t even fit in right with his setlist now. Just last week he said this

‘I don’t try to distance myself at all from ‘Idol.’ I had a great relationship with everyone on the show, and I’d be the last one to bite the hand that fed me. As a winner, you aren’t bound contractually to them at all after the tour. It’s just the kind of a relationship where you either cultivate it or you don’t. I’ve opted to cultivate it.’ 

Thanks again Steve. I just got through the ones u posted above and um wow. they’re really cool .

Kanye West’s ‘Heartbeat’ 

Researchhhh

I think that they might be tough on Kris and Allison, but a bit kinder to Adam. RS seems to be quite in love with Adam, as is much of the media. IMO, they might be harsh on the actual content of the album, but still mention Adam’s vocal skills, performance skills, and all that has some of us following him at this point. I think that the industry sees long-term possibilities for Adam, and will not want to knock down a possible cash cow too much.

I am cautiously optimistic that this might be the case. There is very little doubt in my mind that the vast majority of the media is gaga over Adam (I think, of all the sites I read on a regular basis during the season, that TV Guide tended to be the most lukewarm to him (their reviewer favored Kris’s style, especially toward the end). Otherwise, though, he is very popular not just because of the ability, but because of his excellent soundbites, interviewing skills, charisma, etc. So I can definitely see them giving him a bit more of a free pass, as you mention, based on the potential for long term success.

After all, you can chalk up a lot on the first album, to, “well, 19 always gives the guys crappy material for their first album” or something like that

girlygirly,
I don’t agree with you. I don’t think Kris has to do any thing or be the way he’s not just to please any reviewer. For God’s sake he was voted for to be the winner the way he is as a performer on the show. Concerts are just one part of the business and there is more than just that.The reason for this tour is to showcase them and the way their solo concerts are going to be like. He is not going to follow any idol on tour? I don’t think he’s bothered and if you know Kris very well, trying to be what he’s not is the last thing he’ll do. Come fall, people who love his music will buy and those who want to see him perform will go to his concerts. His style is what he’s showing us now and I believe tons of people love it so what’s the big deal?
He doesn’t need any reviewer to tell him how to perform and to me that’s just one person and he’s not going to change any way people feel about Kris.

Really? So I guess you can’t take Adam Lambert serious.

Oh, good lord, no. Take him serious? He’s an American Idol contestant.

I think he is a very good singer. One of the best I’ve ever heard. I expect him to make a pop record that I may or may not like, but probably won’t take too serious. It’s only rock n’ roll.

That review wasn’t that bad but heartbeat LMAO:D

aadddaammm iiinnnnttteeerrrvviiieeewwwsss. aaannyybbooddy?please?:(

By GARY GRAFF
Of the Oakland Press

This was much better for Kris, Adam’s part was ‘meh’.

Vanjess38 I disagree with ur 3rd sentence. don’t INS me I’m just impatient for Adam news:;D

eta-eh I’m cranky

Awwwwww Allison tweeted about matt:D

HEY.. I am just hear for the Music..and trying to dodge steve’s banana peels :lol_tb:

Thx for the Oakland Press review..As consistent as the others, give or take a few

vanjess38
Aug 27th, 2009 at 2:52 pm
girlygirly,
I don’t agree with you. I don’t think Kris has to do any thing or be the way he’s not just to please any reviewer

I agree with you vanjess. This tour is winding down, and future tours will be with acts that are more like Kris in style. His first post AI tour will probably be as the opening act for another blue jeans wearing musician. Adam will be paired with a musical act closer to his style. Their paths may not cross again for a long time, and maybe never on the same stage.

Jan:I don’t think so. According to the Argus Leader article above, David wants to give them a title because he is proud of them. He is not losing his own name.

Yeah, I totally agree with Jan. In that same (audio) and longer version of the interview, David makes it very clear as does the interviewer that there are no plans on dropping “David Cook”. It’s taken him and his marketing team/publicists to get his name recognition out there since his post Idol launch. He’s getting name checked in the papers — and his tweet yesterday about Senator Kennedy’s passing was mentioned. Whatever his band’s name is, it will be David Cook and The ____. He has worked too hard this past year to just let it slide away. His concerts are selling – by his name.

Here’s his introduction of his band in Yakima. “The guys ‘behind him’ will be referred to as “The Anthemic” — but I guess now the band name is still an organic work in progress. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q7qMBXrA0aU

spinastory
Aug 27th, 2009 at 3:00 pm
HEY.. I am just hear for the Music..and trying to dodge steve’s banana peels

I would never throw banana peels(easy to slip on)Only toys that look like a banana. :bigsurprise_ee: :lol_tb:

steve
Aug 27th, 2009 at 3:03 pm
spinastory
Aug 27th, 2009 at 3:00 pm
HEY.. I am just hear for the Music..and trying to dodge steve’s banana peels

I would never throw banana peels(easy to slip on)Only toys that look like a banana.

:drunk_tb: let the party begin.. is that a confession steve that was you was’nt it.. :lol_tb:

ok I am done.. no more snark.. must behave :innocent1_tb:

sma11ie: I lurved that whole post. Reaction to criticism and pressure is probably one of the most damning and elusive factors in Idolworld. That was just a fascinating comparison.

ETA: to make it clear, I think what you say about Cook is a compliment. A *good* thing!

Aww, I lurve you maturin for responding to my ramblings! And yes, what I said about DC absolutely a compliment– don’t you know vindictive little bitch is the highest compliment you can give an AI contestant? Hee. In this case, Anoop, interestingly, seems most like DC to me, at least post-show. Serious as a heart attack… I wish him well . Still love Matt best though .

Just wanted to add to the discussion that I love Britney Spears. Can’t sing worth crap, but she has *it*. Jordin has a fantastic voice that I just love, and is growing her stage presence, but I really don’t think Brit has anything to worry about with Jordin as her opener. But great gig for Jordin. If she can win over Brit’s fans, that’s fantastic. I love her quote about how Britney’s fans won’t just scream at anything– it would not surprise me that Brit’s fans respond to good (hit) songs, whereas Jonas Brothers fans *are* the type that will just scream their heads off at anything in anticipation of their idols.

By GARY GRAFF
Of the Oakland Press

This was much better for Kris, Adam’s part was ‘meh’.

I didn’t see it that way. “…didn’t quite recapture Lambert’s level of engagement.”

The only problem was his opening paragraph contradicted the rest of the article. “… Adam rocked the house and Kris got arguably the loudest applause….”

Middle of the article:

“…Despite the home town bonhomme, however, it was all too clear who the far-from-capacity 11,000 “Idol” devotees came to see at the show… The screams were roof-raising as runner-up Adam Lambert took the stage…”

Totally agree post-ai vada

and the adam connection here is logical’ ¦because both he and anoop covered songs that were covered by britney. i can’t speak for any other times, but that’s irrelevant to this discussion at least.

I agree. With all of this.

spinastory
Aug 27th, 2009 at 3:06 pm
steve
Aug 27th, 2009 at 3:03 pm
spinastory
Aug 27th, 2009 at 3:00 pm
HEY.. I am just hear for the Music..and trying to dodge steve’s banana peels

I would never throw banana peels(easy to slip on)Only toys that look like a banana.

let the party begin.. is that a confession steve that was you was’nt it..

Alison wait let me duck before shit to late right in my face. :wacko_tb:

I love her quote about how Britney’s fans won’t just scream at anything’“ it would not surprise me that the Brit fans respond to good (hit) songs

It seems like a great accomplishment for Jordan, she starts the show with just her voice.. I don’t think she get any production around her perfomance, at least that was the impression I got. So if Brit fans are warming to her woooooohooooooo

Natasha
Aug 27th, 2009 at 2:40 pm
You could definitely argue that even though reviewers keep saying that Adam steals the show from Kris and has stage presence that doesn’t mean a thing. Same thing for Matt. Maybe stage presence is overrated. Kris has the voice and people buy CDs to listen to not watch.

The only thing I’ll point out in contrast to this, is that Elton John has made a career of selling out stadium after stadium year after year, and all without a hit single since the 90s. People go to see him perform live, and the same was true even back when he was ruling the charts in the early-mid 70s. He gives a great show, and there is definitely still money in that. JMHO. I saw EJ live myself only twice – one in the 80s and once last year. Even now at 62 he goes for nearly 3 hours straight with no intermission and tours basically 8-10 months of every year.

My point is only that stage presence may be overrated, but live shows are still a very lucrative part of the music business.

edit: edited the post you were responding to

i’ve been on here unusually long this morning (boss is out today!), but i’m peacing. good day y’all.

Kristopher tweets”rainy day in gokeyland” other tweets 2 but I kno kris is what y’all care about;) oh and haha sarver welcome 2 my world:)

Something cute about Adam: http://rds.yahoo.com/_ylt=A0geu9sK3JZKh0YBPhZXNyoA;_ylu=X3oDMTBscWN2ZnBjBHNlYwNzYwRjb2xvA2FjMgR2dGlkAw–/SIG=13nmmab3k/EXP=1251487114/**http://www.knoxville.com/news/2009/aug/27/grudge-match-michael-myers-vs-adam-lambert/?partner=RSS

So I guess I am the only one worried about Anoop packing up his life to move to LA? It won’t be cheap- the move, the housing, living, recording, co-writers. They don’t write on spec, do they- he will have to pay all these people? I would hate to see him waiting tables for five years for nothing when he could have made inroads in a ‘real’ career and done singing on the side.
Just seems like an awfully big leap of faith when LA is full to the brim of wannabes. It’s not an easy path.

luvadamlambert,
You don’t need to agree with me.I also didn’t agree with girly. But that’s my opinion and I stand by that, I’m not in to change anyone’s opinion. As I said, those who voted for Kris to win, voted upon what they saw him do on the show and to me, he has improved so much on the tour which is a plus and he’s only gong to improve as time goes on.

hope that link works I can’t click on it or it tries to edit my post

David Cook has said that American Idol is like family and returning to the stage is like old-home week to him. Now, even if he really doesn’t feel that way — and I have no reason to doubt him — he’s a smart cookie … so to speak. I don’t think he would ever bite the hand that fed him, especially since Idol is a great platform to return to and get a boost in sales for whatever you are selling at that moment, whether an album, a song, or whatever.

Oh, and as others have said already, his name is the brand.

ETA: to make it clear, I think what you say about Cook is a compliment. A *good* thing!

So, do I. When Simon basically said in the semis that Archie was walking away with the competition and no one was giving him a run for his money, that’s when Cook came out with “Hello.” He’s clearly pretty competitive. He has said that he thought he would place sixth, but every performance night you could see the fire in him and every results show you could see how nervous he was.

To be honest, I think Kris is very competitive too, but he’s a bit less obvious about it. Otherwise, he would never have won. Everytime the judges tried to dismiss him with a “good job” and pat on the head, he’d come out with another strong performance.

Anyone following Adam, with the possible exception of Allison, would get a ‘bitch please’  IMO. She’s the only one who even comes remotely close to him in vocal intensity and energy on stage.

In my opinion, it wasn’t a very strong season. Put some of these people in other seasons, and some wouldn’t even have made it into the top 12, let alone place where they did.

1. ‘No question about it. He’d be the little engine that could instead of the Idol version of the OJ verdict. It is what it is.’ 

Are you suggesting Kris won through jury nullification? Heh.

Wow ur fast at editing mj.

buderschnookie I think it’s his choice.he’s smart he has a fallback career.he’ll be fine.

Buderschnookie
Aug 27th, 2009 at 3:19 pm
So I guess I am the only one worried about Anoop packing up his life to move to LA? It won’t be cheap- the move, the housing, living, recording, co-writers. They don’t write on spec, do they- he will have to pay all these people? I would hate to see him waiting tables for five years for nothing when he could have made inroads in a ‘real’ career and done singing on the side.
Just seems like an awfully big leap of faith when LA is full to the brim of wannabes. It’s not an easy path.

He is young and very smart if he doesn’t follow his heart now it will eat him up later.If music is what anoop wants to do for a career now is his best time to go for it.The best thing about anoop is he knows it going to take lots of hard work.Not sure if i can say that about all 10 idols this year.

http://www.knoxville.com/news/2009/aug/27/grudge-match-michael-myers-vs-adam-lambert/?partner=RSS” rel=”nofollow”>Something cute about Adam

relyec, I think this will work better. Or

http://www.knoxville.com/news/2009/aug/27/grudge-match-michael-myers-vs-adam-lambert/?partner=RSS

THNX BeckyMD: I always have a hard time with those

My point is only that stage presence may be overrated, but live shows are still a very lucrative part of the music business.

For most Artists they are the real lucrative part of the music business. Why do you think people would put themselves through the rigors of a tour if they weren’t getting something back for it. And without touring…sooner of later a recording only Artist will loose their place in line. If the fans can’t see you, don’t hear from and can’t relate to you as a person the career goes down the tubes.

Elton John was mentioned…but look at someone like Neil Diamond. He’s still touring, still filling houses, is as old as Methuselah, and has never had a number 1 radio hit!!

And for some artists their biggest album hits have been “Live at __________.”

So, if Kris wants to succeed in this dog eat dog business he better learn to up the anti with his concert sets. As others have mentioned he needs to loosen up, stop focusing on the music and start focusing on the audience. He needs to let go of the guitar and the piano as a crutch that he can hide behind. He needs to come up with some kind of shtick that is uniquely his..that keeps people interested in him not just his voice. Being in the music business IS NOT just about the voice (sad but true). Great Artists know that you have to SELL YOURSELF just as much as you have to sell your music. And if you are perceived as bland and boring that is how your music will be perceived.

“Trina, I actually agree with this. I have gone back and forth on being happy that Kris won. I know I didn’t really want him to before the finale because of the reason you stated. However, I also believe that if anyone can handle the situation he is in, it’s S8 AI winner Kris Allen. (AND I FIRMLY BELIEVE HE DESERVED THE WIN!) In saying this, I’m not saying Adam did not.

The only thing I disagree on is getting bored of his tour vids! I smile through every one I watch. I’ve seen many. He and DC are two different artists and I love them both. I wouldn’t want one to be the other.”

This is a bingo win for me – DITTO

So I guess I am the only one worried about Anoop packing up his life to move to LA? It won’t be cheap- the move, the housing, living, recording, co-writers. They don’t write on spec, do they- he will have to pay all these people? I would hate to see him waiting tables for five years for nothing when he could have made inroads in a ‘real’ career and done singing on the side.
Just seems like an awfully big leap of faith when LA is full to the brim of wannabes. It’s not an easy path.

I’m right there with you. I really wish he’d just go back to school. It is just soooo hard to make it. I would hope that Adam described in detail about his first apt. in LA and all the inhabitants that he shared his living quarters with. It is expensive there. LA is a great place to visit, but living there is a whole other ballpark, especially when you are the one footing the bill. I do wish him the best.

I guess I am not reading the same reviews as others when people say Kris has only gotten one bad review or this is only one person’s opinion. I have read pretty much all of them and this is my conclusion: I have only seen one or two “good” reviews for Kris, most of them were mediocre or ok- stating that he held his own (not a good review in my mind), and then there are several really stinging ones like the one from Detroit. Overall, the opinion seems to be the same. Kris is a mediocre singer that won a reality tv show. Adam steals the show and Matt is better than people thought. Like I said before, repeated enough, it becomes reality.

My problem with the Detroit News review is that the reviewer clearly went into the concert determined to hate Kris’ set. And that he was very nasty in what he wrote ‘” it came off more as a personal attack than a review. The reviewer’s opinion is his own, and he’s entitled to it, but I really didn’t appreciate the nastiness. And it would have been nice if he had been able to approach the concert with an open mind ‘” something that I felt like he did not do. He also basically ignored talking about anyone other than Adam, Kris or Matt, which is too bad, although some of the others might be happy to be ignored, if he was going to be as nasty about them as he was about Kris. I hope Kris doesn’t see this review ‘” there’s nothing in it that could be called constructive criticism.

girlygirl you said it much better than I did on the concert thread simply by using the word “nasty” in lieu of the one I chose “brutal”. Thanks for that!!!

So, if Kris wants to succeed in this dog eat dog business he better learn to up the anti with his concert sets.

I can’t really see that he HAS to do this. Isn’t Jordan and Carrie succesful live artists and not really known for their great audience connection? I think it’s much more important for Kris’ post idol success to find a niche and produce some good music.

Ita alaadam- I HATE to say it becuz IMO hesmore than that but I have to agree;(

why is it taking then forever to post interviews from yesterday;(

If Anoop were as serious about music as he claims to be, he would move to Nashville.

LA is the place for pop diva wannabees waiting tables in Santa Monica. Nashville’s where the serious musicians are going — country, alternative, and indie rock.

Actually, if Anoop were really smart, he would ride the Idol gravy train to a Bollywood career. My sense is that he’s not interested in that. That would, howver, be his ticket to a pop career. The problem is that, like most Idol contestants, his musical influences are shallow and limited to top 40 and pop R&B radio. Adam probably knows more bollywood music than Anoop does.

[The kid who won] would have probably gotten better reviews had he not won.

No question about it. He’d be the little engine that could instead of the Idol version of the OJ verdict. It is what it is.

For some reason I love this whole analogy….thanks!! :smile1_tb:

So I guess I am the only one worried about Anoop packing up his life to move to LA? It won’t be cheap- the move, the housing, living, recording, co-writers. They don’t write on spec, do they- he will have to pay all these people? I would hate to see him waiting tables for five years for nothing when he could have made inroads in a ‘real’ career and done singing on the side.
Just seems like an awfully big leap of faith when LA is full to the brim of wannabes. It’s not an easy path.

I’m worried. But he has to do this–there’s no way he can succeed if he does music as a side job. The worst that can happen is that five/ten years later, he’s gone nowhere in the music business and has to start all over in another career path. But he has to try music first.

If Anoop were as serious about music as he claims to be, he would move to Nashville.

Why?

Lyndsey Parker ‘s interview with Brooke white will be posted soon.

Anoop is 22 years old — he has plenty of time to go back to school. He needs to try and pursue his dream of a music career now, when he actually has some sort of name recognition. Right now is his best hance of breaking into this business.

As for living in L.A., well, I live there and it is indeed very expensive. But I have a feeling Anoop probably can find a roommate or two and cut down on expenses that way. And it’s not like he’d be the lone struggling artist living in the town — it’s pretty hard NOT to meet an aspiring actor, writer, director or musician in L.A. — so if he wants to, Anoop will be able to meet plenty of like-minded people.

I wouldn’t be at all surprised to see several of this year’s Idol crop end up in L.A. Adam and Allison already live out here, and I bet Kris and his wife move out here permanently eventually (they are already temporarily relocating), because he’s going to be out in L.A. most of the time anyway (and she has said she wants to be an actress). Megan could end up here to pursue modeling/hosting/acting stuff as well. Not sure about the others — Matt, maybe? I don’t see Danny or Sarver or Scott moving to L.A.

I also believe that if anyone can handle the situation he is in, it’s S8 AI winner Kris Allen.

Personally I think that Kris may have a rude awakening about what being a “celebrity” really means. So far he has been rather insulated…Adam has taken most of the swipes up to now…Kris has stayed low keyed. He hasn’t had to sell himself at all….even his “No Boundaries” was pulled and he didn’t have to work on selling that every night. Kris is still being “sold” as the AI winner, he gets the pimp spot because he is the AI winner, he gets the TV gigs and the radio shows because he is the AI winner.

Unlike, say David Cook who spent a lot of time and energy trying to get himself established in the music business and gain cred as a singer and entertainer (even though he had a nice college education to fall back on) Kris, as far as I can tell, did a few coffee house presentations, a few small town gigs, and made an independent CD which was pretty bland…and then moved on to marriage, back to school, and normalacy when his attempt failed.

So now Kris, for the first time, will be facing the real world where he is in competition with the best of the best in the recording industry. I don’t have a clue as to whether Kris has the drive and the stamina and the grits to pull it off. I really think that his journey may be harder than people realize.

Alaadam

Most of the reviews Kris has gotten have been decent to good. Even the ones that say “he holds his own” would be considered positive, since everyone says how hard it is to go on after Adam’s set. I’ve read all the reviews people have posted, and I’d say, at most, 4 or 5 have been what you would classify as really bad. This Detroit News one, the NY Times one, and a couple of others.

Anoop is 22 years old ‘” he has plenty of time to go back to school. He needs to try and pursue his dream of a music career now, when he actually has some sort of name recognition. Right now is his best hance of breaking into this business.

TBH, my first reaction to this idea was, I see this year, like all others, as producing MAYBE 2-3 really successful musicians in the bunch (not counting people who segue into non-musical careers – like, say, Ace Young in previous years). This years tops are clearly Adam, Kris, and Allison. I see them as having the best chance of success. So my first thought to Anoop would be, don’t quit your day job, maybe he can segue into something akin to Ace, but I don’t see him really breaking through in the music industry.

But then, I thought about it, and decided, ok, he is just 22, that’s really young, and this IS a once and a life time opportunity for him. So, if he decides to work his 15 minutes into something more by going to where the action is, more power to him. He doesn’t have a family to worry about yet, no big responsbilities, etc. So maybe try it out for the next year or so, and if it doesnt’ work, he’ll always have other things to fall back on. JMO.

Good point tess

Until someone says that Kris was the best of the best at an AI concert and that he over shawdowed everyone and that he made everyone stand up and cheer endlessly for him, the chosen one, then he hasn’t got a good review. He won so his review, by default, should be the best of the night. If it isn’t then Kris has failed.

I guess I am not reading the same reviews as others when people say Kris has only gotten one bad review or this is only one person’s opinion. I have read pretty much all of them and this is my conclusion: I have only seen one or two ‘good’  reviews for Kris, most of them were mediocre or ok- stating that he held his own (not a good review in my mind), and then there are several really stinging ones like the one from Detroit. Overall, the opinion seems to be the same. Kris is a mediocre singer that won a reality tv show. Adam steals the show and Matt is better than people thought. Like I said before, repeated enough, it becomes reality.

That’s it in a nutshell, I agree.

Although there’s been a few ‘meh’ ones in there lately Allison tends to get quite good reviews too.

See, that’s what I’m saying about Anoop. People think he like, lacks ambition and stuff because he’s reserved and focus. What do you expect? Him to have a marching band following him while he screams into a bullhorn about wanting a record deal? Anoop isn’t going to give up, and like he said, he’s not afraid of working at something.

The problem I see with this, though, is that, from that interview, I don’t get the impression that Anoop really really knows just how hard a lot of other people have worked and are working to *also* get that exact same success.

He doesn’t give me the impression of knowing enough about the real struggles of many super-talented people to make it at *all* in the music business, let alone make it to Daughtry or JHud levels (lordy, I had a hard time believing it when he mentioned them, actually), which requires not only hard work but just phenomenal luck to be doing the right thing at the right place and time.

If you think of “hard work” as what it takes to succeed in school or the like, you still have no idea about the *kinds* of hard work that it takes to make it in show business — and the many many ways that show business can deny you your success no matter how talented you are and *how* hard you work.

That’s the big big difference between the kinds of work and achievement that Anoop knows about and those I think he probably doesn’t know about. In music, you can be ever so talented, and just not be in the right place at the right time with the “right” music or have the “right” look or fulfill all of some company’s check list of characteristics, etc. etc. In the school and mainstream work world, hard work probably pays off well at least 75 percent of the time. in the music world, it might pay off substantially maybe 10 percent of the time. *Huge* difference. And because, I suspect, Anoop doesn’t know this, he comes off as a little presumptuous — and a lot naive — to me.

Of course, if they can find a way to sell him to the Indian market, it may work out for him that way. I like him and I think he’s talented, so that would be nice. But I doubt that he’s really prepared for the steepness of his coming uphill climb.

My feeling is–reading this thread–since Adam lost, Adam fans have a lot to prove in a lot of aspects. “Get over” probably is easier said than done.

It’s not that serious. They are still in the idol bubble. This probably already been said 1000 times. They are going to be tested with their origninal music.

Adam will need to succeed in a competition without Kris, but with Lady Gaga, Katy Perry, Xtina, Madonna (notice this is a female dominant music genre?). Fan support and energy is better spent in that.

I agree tess.

http://www.examiner.com/x-6788-TV-Trends-Examiner~y2009m8d27-American-Idol-Adam-Lambert-tears-it-up-on-tour-with-video?#comments here I go again don’t know if this will work but from my local hometown of Dayton, OH! not really a review of the Columbus show, just an observation w/vid.

So now Kris, for the first time, will be facing the real world where he is in competition with the best of the best in the recording industry. I don’t have a clue as to whether Kris has the drive and the stamina and the grits to pull it off. I really think that his journey may be harder than people realize.

It is hard. There are a lot of people struggling for years and years and didn’t get signed. He got this major label contract by winning a karaoke contest. I think it’s good that Kris get all these resources for his first (major) album and so many people willing to help him.

I remember hearing Kris saying he may do a college tour to support his album. It’s a good idea to get new fans and get yourself out there.

Tess, I don’t agree with you at all.
First of all, these guys try out AI to get the exposure to build their music on. Kris is lucky to have won it. He gets to make a record, which if he’s lucky to make a hit with, will take him to another stage in his career.
I think a lot of you don’t get Kris. To me, and as he has said himself, he is who he is and doesn’t need to change anything.Tons of people love his performances and are ready to buy his album. If people outside his fanbase love what he puts out, they’ll buy. What again does he need to do? There are a lot of low- key artists who didn’t even have the platform that Kris has now and were able to break through. He had said in a couple of interviews that he’s hoping to have a growing successful career which is smart of him. I don’t think he’s expecting a shot to superstardom right after his first album.
Let’s give him a break and stop counting his chicks before he hatches them, the same for all the other idols.

Ha! Kris’ tweets and how popular they seem to be just made the Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel!

http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/news/55418232.html

Of course, if they can find a way to sell him to the Indian market, it may work out for him that way.

Anoop is as American as apple pie. He grew up in NC, and his cultural identity is as much Southern as it is Indian. He wrote his thesis on BBQ, ya’ll! I’m from NC and I recognize that drawl. He’s a Tar Heel boy for sure. The thought of him singing a Bollywood song gives me major eye-roll.

However, I think we had discussions before about how the music industry is becoming more and more reliant on not JUST selling music – a lot of money is now made on tours, plus just creating a ‘brand’  as an artist that can be cross-promoted to other areas.

You don’t think that Allison or Kris don’t have brands? In Kris’s case I’ve seen words like “organic” “real” “sincere” “authentic” ever since he was signed. Just because he’s not flashy doesn’t mean that 19E/Jive aren’t trying to sell an image.

The thought of him singing a Bollywood song gives me major eye-roll.

Oh god, word. Shows that there are other cultural issues that are at work this season. I think imo he probably has the hardest path because of who he is, even more than Adam.

adamlambert Wow! http://bit.ly/25qzMK Raised over $ 53,000!! Please join the competition to support public school arts programs!

That is kind of the impression he gives off. He is sort of mellow and quiet, but honestly, he’s just thinking and processing. He’s not a hyper kid, never was. But he is burning for music. He’s been doing it forever.

but Anoop is exceptionally driven. he was really ticked about being rated 6th, and vowed to never come in 6th again.

Anoop doesn’t come off as burning 4 music. he just doesn’t. and he vowed never to come 6th again ? in what? another talent show or in school or in life?

Ita gigi3. anoop would be a *MAJOR* failure in the Indian market. Trust me my parents are Indian and born in India ( I guess thatmeans I am too but was born in Ohio and pretty much act American so yeah and my parents have lived here for 15 years). I watched way too many Indian movies and *hate* them. luckily I don’t watch them anymore….but yeah think high school musical gone wrong for anoop in the Indian market.by singing and dancing I mean. Then again high school musical is already wrong enough…;(

Adam interviews????!

My problem with the Detroit News review is that the reviewer clearly went into the concert determined to hate Kris’ set. And that he was very nasty in what he wrote ‘” it came off more as a personal attack than a review. The reviewer’s opinion is his own, and he’s entitled to it, but I really didn’t appreciate the nastiness. And it would have been nice if he had been able to approach the concert with an open mind ‘” something that I felt like he did not do. He also basically ignored talking about anyone other than Adam, Kris or Matt, which is too bad, although some of the others might be happy to be ignored, if he was going to be as nasty about them as he was about Kris. I hope Kris doesn’t see this review ‘” there’s nothing in it that could be called constructive criticism.

A review is an opinion piece. My reading of the review is that the columnist is a music critic, not a entertainment critic, but maybe I’m mistaken on that. The point I’m making is that reviewers are don’t write reviews to make the performers feel good, they are there to offer a critical opinion of what they experienced. All of them have had bad reviews on the tour; some are getting worse reviews than others. It’s part of the business.

chrgi just becuz Adam is flashy doesn’t mean he’s not sincere;)

chrgi just becuz Adam is flashy doesn’t mean he’s not sincere;)

He is. Adam’s a very sincere actor.

He won so his review, by default, should be the best of the night. If it isn’t then Kris has failed.

He’s the American Idol so by default, if you don’t like Kris Allen, you hate America.

luvadamlambert- Adam and Kris do not operate on some sort of binary.

Winning Idol…..who deserves the crown.

Kelly, best selling recording finalist of season 1. Check, she deserved to win season 1.

Reuben, beaten by Clay as to album sales and celebritism. But, the two are more neck and neck now 6 years later. Reuben is holding his own. If Clay has a New hit and tour with his new recording contract then Reuben didn’t deserve to win.

Fantasia, still the most famous of season 3. No big album numbers for her or Diana…but they are both on Broadway and they both are still active. By a nose, though, Fantasia was a good winner.

Carrie, no question she deserved the season 4 win.

Taylor, doesn’t hold a candle to finalist number 4. Should never have won (the AI audience blew it).

Jordin, best seller of season 6. Indications are that she is forging ahead. The winner and is doing the voters proud.

David C., album went platinum and outsold the runnerup 2 to 1. Still playing to sold out venues, including some into the 5 to 10 thousand range. The winner and still champion.

Kris……only time will tell.

The voters have been pretty good….but not infallible.

Damn I’m so thrilled to see an Adam tweet!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:D

The thought of him singing a Bollywood song gives me major eye-roll.

That’s fine, then. And, I suspect that Anoop shares your sentiment. Let’s cut to the brass tacks. If Anoop thinks any label is going to sign him to be the first Indian-American Usher on R&B urban radio, he’s crazier than a North Carolina hoot owl. Not happening.

Anoop, as I see it, has three options for a music career:

a) work like crazy to leverage Idol into a Bollywood career in India. Look at the crowds for David frickin’ Archuleta in southeast asia, for god sacks. There’s gold in them thar hills.

b) Front a top-shelf cover band and use his minor celebrity to nail down steady gigs on the Carolina ACC and SEC frat party/club circuit.

c) Move to Nashville where the indie producers and songwriters are, get serious, and try to carve out a crooner niche like a Norah Jones, perhaps with a world music slant.

What else is there for him? You tell me. He’s not gonna do country. He doesn’t appear to be a songwriter.

Personally, I don’t see much to indicate that he has a clue about the music business or where he might fit into it. He’s like Meghan with a college degree. His doing No Perogative all pimped out in the glasses is like a novelty act.

Adam’s support of that charity seems to have really paid off. I know there’s like a little contest going on between ontd_ai, gossipcandy and some of the harder core “glamberts” on Adam’s official site over which group can donate the most money. But it’s all for a good cause, so no worries!

Now, back to bb Kris. He said on his last behind the scenes interview that his goal with his first album is to introduce himself and his music to people. He doesn’t seem to have an unreasonable expectations — he just wants to purseue his dream of being a musician, being able to support his family financially in the process. Just because he is quiet and laid back, do NOT think that he doesn’t have the determination to do this. He does not come off as someone who gives up very easily. Nor does he appear to be someone who is going to change his style simply to please critics or other people. From what I can tell, he’s determined to succeed or fail simply by being who he is and by making the type of music he wants to make.

Not that he’s necessarily unique in anyway in these things, of course. Just saying that he isn’t going to change simply because of an occasional bad review — or give into pressure from his label. I was VERY glad to hear 19 didn’t even try to pressure him to go the country route — gives me hope that they actually are going to give him the support he will need once this tour is over and he starts his life outside the AI bubble. (of course how long that support lasts likely depends on his success over the next year or two).

Lulwut I’m just going to agree to disagree:/

I think the reviewers are prepared to embrace an album of pop pablum from Adam in the same way they were with the debut albums from Kelly Clarkson and Carrie Underwood.

I don’t think Carrie’s album was pop or pablum. It was country and a great album that won her all kinds of accolades and awards, and sold millions,

My feeling is’“reading this thread’“since Adam lost, Adam fans have a lot to prove in a lot of aspects. ‘Get over’  probably is easier said than done.

After reading so many reviews, I don’t think there are ‘a lot’ left to be proved in this regard.

I think Kris needs to prove that he deserves the title. My feeling is Kris fans don’t think that’s necessary because he won (so your argument is invalid) and the show is over and he is different from whoever in the argument.

Tess:

Has David Cook really outsold Archie 2-to-1? I thought their sales totals were pretty even. But I haven’t checked of late…

He’s the American Idol so by default, if you don’t like Kris Allen, you hate America.

LOL forever.

And matt will get one too.

From reading one of Matt’s recent interviews, I don’t think he has a record deal in the works. He was talking about possibly going independent. But Michael sounds like he does’ ¦ I don’t have the link to the specific interview, but when asked if he had a record deal, he said he definitely had an album coming out and he couldn’t talk about more than that at the present. Danny and Michael will be the next ones signed. I don’t think anyone else will be.

I still think Matt will get a record deal eventually.
I mean sign Micheal before Matt? That can’t happen. Matt is easy to market if he follows the Gavin de Graw/1R/The Fray kind of path. If he front a band as athe lead singer and piano guy he could be even more successful. Just an idea.

FWIW, after that Michigan article he also did a Fox17 TV interview where he mentioned he is in talks with entertainment lawyers.

Anyone knows what exactly entertainment lawyers do? Because if Matt is already out of the 19 contract why would he need a lawyer? Maybe he needs them to get the record deal he wants?
Just wondering.
All I know is that I pray Matt gets signed in the near future. He has so much potential and it would be a shame to see that talent go nowhere.

I don’t think Carrie’s album was pop or pablum. It was country and a great album that won her all kinds of accolades and awards, and sold millions,

It was pop pablum, country-style. Cookie-cutter, assembly-line, factory-made pop pablum. You could have taken the entire collection of songs and handed it to the next Faith Hill-clone bottle blonde in Nashville and it wouldn’t have been any more or less distinctive. Underwood sang it well enough (she has a good voice) and had the Barbie Idol look that is required for the part, plenty of marketing push, and voila — Faith Hill 2.0. And, now comes Faith Hill 3.0 in with the next bottle-blond with a decent voice, Taylor Swift. It’s a formula — like Colonel Sanders secret recipe. I’m not knockin’ it. It sells, buts it’s not where you go if you want to hear something that makes you say, “wow, that’s new and creative” or “wow, that’s an interesting twist”. It is what it is. White bread music.

I’m aware of how well it sold. That’s my point. Pop albums don’t have to be creative or interesting.

Thank u chrgi that makes sense

I do not think this has been posted. http://www.star1015.com/onair/kentalan

I think that Kris will have to do what Kris does best. He should not change his game for anyone. So singer songwriter he is and he should stay there. You can not compare him to David Cook because they are so different. David brings it on when he hits the stage and wants the audience to participate in the concert. But not all acts are like that. So Kris probably will be more laid back like Jack Johnson or Jason Mraz and they are very successful. I don’t think he will have a problem. He should not be compared to Adam because again they are so different. So David, Kris and Adam are in different genres and should not be compared.

Not sure if this was posted – a short piece from In Entertainment

http://www.inentertainment.co.uk/20090827/adam-lambert-at-wednesdays-american-idols-live-concert/

Girlygirl I think what u said about kris is perfect

Until someone says that Kris was the best of the best at an AI concert and that he over shawdowed everyone and that he made everyone stand up and cheer endlessly for him, the chosen one, then he hasn’t got a good review. He won so his review, by default, should be the best of the night. If it isn’t then Kris has failed.

Exactly!! Kris, as the winner, should be outshining Adam but he doesn’t. Fans will say Kris is just a different style of performer and is just as talented in his own style as Adam is in his own style, but in actuality, Kris is not as talented in his own style as say Adam, Allison, and Matt are in their styles. It’s not just about apples and oranges. It’s about the amount of talent they have within their own style. If the reviewers thought Kris was just as talented in his laid back folk singer type way as Adam and some of the others are in their particular types of performances, then they could say that Kris is the best of the best at the concert and that he overshadowed everyone else.

Actually, if Anoop were really smart, he would ride the Idol gravy train to a Bollywood career.

Wow, are you sure that’s patronizing enough? I dunno, I think there’s still room to kick it up a notch! How about a joke about vindaloo? Or math? There’s still a few stereotypes left unturned!

Adam probably knows more bollywood music than Anoop does.

Sure he does. Also, the complete epic sagas of Iceland in Icelandic and a whole lot of Brazilian samba. Because he’s Adam Lambert.

Wait, I thought your whole point in suggesting that Anoop should do Bollywood was that ethnicity=destiny. Now you’re saying that the songs of his father’s homeland don’t just run naturally in in his veins? Maybe he can just call up Dev Patel and get lessons! After all, a subcontinent of one billion has to stick together! Oh wait, Patel’s British. And so was Slumdog Millionaire.

For the record, I don’t give much of a hoot for the Tarheel NeYo. But the idea that any American kid needs to stick to the songs of his ethnic group’s homeland, is, yeah, not buying it.

Wow, are you sure that’s patronizing enough? I dunno, I think there’s still room to kick it up a notch! How about a joke about vindaloo? Or math? There’s still a few stereotypes left unturned!

I’m sure we can work Slumdog in there somewhere.

For the record, I don’t give much of a hoot for the Tarheel NeYo. But the idea that any American kid needs to stick to the songs of his ethnic group’s homeland, is, yeah, not buying it.

Not buying it either. I don’t think Elvis would exist if it wasn’t for his appropriation of historically black music.

David Archuleta’s album sold 725,000
David Cook’s album sold 1,226,000

500,000 difference between the two.

He’s the American Idol so by default, if you don’t like Kris Allen, you hate America.

Please tell me this comment was just a joke. I don’t know whether to laugh or wince in horror.

He’s like Meghan with a college degree.

Well, except he can sing. Anoop’s voice is beautiful- one of the better voices in this group. It seems, I don’t know, sorta racist to say he can’t have a career because he’s of Indian descent. Really?

Musicians are a dime a dozen, in Nashville. Probably way more competitive, for musicians than LA would be. That being said, I think Anoop is young enough to try whatever he wants. Now’s the time to go for it! He’s young enough to go back to school anytime he wants if the music doesn’t work out. Also, I have a feeling his mom and dad won’t let him starve in Los Angeles!

Queen was HUGE in the 70s and 80s. They were a British band that became a worldwide superband.

They had several hit songs in the U.S., including We are the Champions, Crazy Little Thing Called Love, Another One Bites the Dust, We Will Rock You, Killer Queen, and Bohemian Rhapsody. Their albums were multi-platinum sellers in the U.S. and around the world. Their resume is too lengthy to give here, but is available on wiki:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Queen_(band)

Anyone who listened to rock during those decades must be familiar with some of those songs. Even if one didn’t buy their albums, they were hard to miss. There was no problem with radio, they were on the radio. Definitely. You didn’t sell multi-platinum without radio play.

Most of the reviews Kris has gotten have been decent to good. Even the ones that say ‘he holds his own’  would be considered positive, since everyone says how hard it is to go on after Adam’s set. I’ve read all the reviews people have posted, and I’d say, at most, 4 or 5 have been what you would classify as really bad. This Detroit News one, the NY Times one, and a couple of others.

That’s my take as well, and as someone who also likes Kris, I’ve been generally pleased with his reviews as well! I’ve seen him get almost all good to great reviews and yes, sometimes Adam has gotten bad reviews and say that Kris deserved to win and put on the best show. Most of the reviews say Adam puts on a great show and Kris holds his own with him, and when they’re saying that Adam is great, than they are saying Kris is great as well. So this isn’t some damning with faint praise thing, this is a compliment to Kris thing for putting on a good show, thing.

And it’s a review. I wasn’t thrilled with it last night with my Kris fan hat on, and with my Adam fantardom activated, I’m sure to see reviews in the future that piss me off as well, especially ones that gratuitously mention his sexuality as part of it. But eh, nature of the beast, I’ll be pissed and move on because overall Adam, and Kris for that matter, seem to have been doing very well on tour and that works for me. Next up, fretting about how well their albums do.

Maturin: “Sure he does. Also, the complete epic sagas of Iceland in Icelandic and a whole lot of Brazilian samba. Because he’s Adam Lambert. ” LOL!!!!!

@maturin Aug 27th, 2009 at 4:43 pm

Great post!

I think kris is honestly gonna end up doing better because he is getting no pressure. also noone seems to honestly hate him evenin the”real world”‘ hater blogs’ etc…. He out of all seems like he can shake the whole “idol bubble”the fastest.

He’s the American Idol so by default, if you don’t like Kris Allen, you hate America.

Is this like vote for Kristy Lee or the terrorists will have won?

I’m proud to be an American
Where at least I know I’m free………

Gigi3 I don’t think anyone said he can’t have a career becuz he’s indian just that it’s hard to make it. then someone suggested Indian stuff as an alternative.I think?idk

Beggin,beggin youuuuuuuu….
for an adam interview

Anoop is singing a Bobby Brown song, not a Britney song. The majority of people hearing it on tour will know it as a BB song.

Raises hand. I definitely know it as a BB song. I agree that most people probably do. It was his one and only hit that I was ever aware of. Good song.

Anoop, planning to be another Daughtry or Jennifer Hudson? Sorry, he’s dreaming. I don’t think he has that kind of fame in his future. Not from what he showed us on the show.

I think it’s impossible to hate kris Allen.he’s totally neutral…which is why he won…….never mind.don’t want to start a fanwar.

That being said, I think Anoop is young enough to try whatever he wants. Now’s the time to go for it! He’s young enough to go back to school anytime he wants if the music doesn’t work out. Also, I have a feeling his mom and dad won’t let him starve in Los Angeles!

I agree with this! Anoop is young and if he doesn’t go for it now, he’ll regret it! Anoop’s got a great voice, beautiful beautiful tone. I love his ballad singing, but I’m not really a fan of his r&b sound. Maybe I just haven’t heard the right songs from him, but Anoop was never better to me than when he sang Always On My Mind, True Colors and Everything I Do. His parents won’t let him starve, they’ll be sending “Whole Foods” gift cards to him like Adam’s parents were doing for him.

Until someone says that Kris was the best of the best at an AI concert and that he over shawdowed everyone and that he made everyone stand up and cheer endlessly for him, the chosen one, then he hasn’t got a good review. He won so his review, by default, should be the best of the night. If it isn’t then Kris has failed.

If Kris and the other kids were, say, brands of laundry detergent, then this viewpoint would be valid, and we could just send them all to the Consumer Reports testing lab and have it settled once and for all. But they are not utilitarian household products, they’re trying to be artists. So the individual tastes of reviewers come into play, along with judgments about likeability of the performer which can be influenced by all kinds of things. All of the kids have had reviewers who think they’re great and reviewers who think they’re barely ok at best.

I think that the reviews of the top four have been consistently pretty good. It’s often mentioned that Adam is a very exciting performer to watch and is a hard act to follow, particularly for someone whose performance style is more mellow. This is true, but I don’t think it’s true at all that this means that Kris has failed. His career will not consist of following Adam every night for the rest of his life, so I don’t think that the observances by reviewers that he’s in a tough spot following Adam should be given much weight as to Kris’ future viability. That won’t matter at all pretty soon.

Huh? oceana who said queen wasn’t successful?! queen kicks a$$

littlecomment- I’m as serious as my AT&T approved white robe and hood.

It’s a TV Show. The person who deserves to win is the person who received the most votes, period. IMO, AI’s influence only goes so far once the show is over and the contestants are out of sight out of mind. Lots of factors that mattered during the show cease to matter off the show, and other factors that didn’t matter all of a sudden become all important.

For example, demographics: The people who Fantasia as a recording artist is marketed to are not the same people who voted her to be the American Idol.

AI is sort of like some big market research project but because of certain factors (theme weeks, audience demographic, etc) it’s not perfect. But for the most part the winners have done better than the also-rans. Probably because of the big label that promotes them, more than anything else honestly.

With both Adam and Kris, I figure we’ll find out when the time comes and see how it goes. LOL. Less stressful not to predict.

luvadamlambert: Yeah even though I’m a total Adam fantard how could you just not like Kris? And as far as Anoop goes he reminds me of that college guy I think his name is Asher Roth? Dk the guys name just saw him singing in some vid, but could totally see Anoop hangin out at some college campus layin down some tunes!

LMAO chrgi;D

My feeling is’“reading this thread’“since Adam lost, Adam fans have a lot to prove in a lot of aspects. ‘Get over’  probably is easier said than done.

After reading so many reviews, I don’t think there are ‘a lot’ left to be proved in this regard.

I think Kris needs to prove that he deserves the title. My feeling is Kris fans don’t think that’s necessary because he won (so your argument is invalid) and the show is over and he is different from whoever in the argument.

Just my general feeling from having been a fan of various winners and losers over the years, but I’d almost say it is easier being a fan of a non-winner. I’ve loved Chris Daughtry, David Cook, and now Adam, and it was much easier for me to really get behind and fully support the non-winners, and feel that they kinda had “more to prove” than the winner. By not getting the title, and always kinda having that stigma attached to them, somehow it energized me more as a fan to really have them “prove the world” wrong.

It’s a little different this year, because Adam has gotten so much praise and respect, but I still liken it a bit to S5, where Daughtry got a lot of praise and I just really really wanted to see him do well, despite coming short of the prize. That said, Kris is LEAGUES above Taylor (imo), and I wouldn’t be at all surprised for him to do quite well as well. He is relevant, talented, sweet, and that should take him far.

I think Kris needs to prove that he deserves the title.

I don’t think the title is that important. It was a tv reality show, someone won, end of show. Having a career in music is something totally different. They’re “competing” in the real world now, but they’re really not competing and there’s room in music for lots of winners, not just one.

I can see how people might think he didn’t deserve to win, but it’s over, he did. Really he and Adam both won, as did Allison. They got major recording contracts, which was their dream.

Some people will have a hard time accepting that Kris won, and if his first cd does well, people will say “see, he did deserve to win” and if it doesn’t, others will say “see, he didn’t deserve to win.” I always felt sorry for Ruben in that way, because so many felt that Clay deserved the win, and Clay outsold Ruben after the show. But Ruben had a good attitude about success, like Kris seems to also.

Kris is LEAGUES above Taylor (imo)

I don’t think so, what Kris has is potential, he has yet to prove himself.

I watched way too many Indian movies and *hate* them.

I love the musicals and bollywood movies, also movies like Born into Brothels (documentary) and Slumdog (not strictly Indian I guess?). I loved Bride and Prejudice, a take on Pride & Prejudice. Love the song “No Life Without Wife.”

hwc
Aug 27th, 2009 at 4:36 pm

If Anoop thinks any label is going to sign him to be the first Indian-American Usher on R&B urban radio, he’s crazier than a North Carolina hoot owl. Not happening.

Yep, not going to happen. Urban R&B and HipHop is a music industry built entirely on cred. It’s culturally motivated and authenticity is the first criteria of quality.
As hard as it is for an outsider to break into Rock radio, it is 100 times that for HipHop/R&B stations.
Basically a preppie fratboy wont stand an adam’s chance at a hoedown of getting look in by producers, and radio stations.

c) Move to Nashville where the indie producers and songwriters are, get serious, and try to carve out a crooner niche like a Norah Jones, perhaps with a world music slant.

I agree. That’s the only route I see open to Anoop. He is a crooner. If he can learn to write his own music, he may stand a good chance of building a descent recording career.

Adam will need to succeed in a competition without Kris, but with Lady Gaga, Katy Perry, Xtina, Madonna (notice this is a female dominant music genre?). Fan support and energy is better spent in that.

The bad thing about this genre being all women is that Adam will be something new– and if his music isn’t good, the market will be less willing to embrace him.

The good thing is that he doesn’t have to be direct competition with these artists. He can collaborate with them instead. It looks like he and Gaga are already going to do that.

I mean sign Micheal before Matt? That can’t happen.

I think Michael might be already signed but unable to announce it yet.

Do you have a record deal?
I can’t really discuss the details of it, but there is an album in the works.

http://www.ohiomm.com/blogs/heldenfiles/2009/08/idol-conversations-michael-sarver/

By this time next year I’m 90% sure(a prediction) that kris will be as successful as David cook this time next year;D

I love Anoop in this clip of him performing with Amos Lee. I’d pay to see this type of performance in a North Carolina minute.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uD1EDabSqQ4

Michael will prob go country, he so has the vibe for it.

luvadamlambert: Yeah even though I’m a total Adam fantard how could you just not like Kris?

It’s because he represents oppression and intolerance. Or he won. Not sure which.

Probably both.

I liked Anoop’s “frat boy” persona the minute he stepped into the AI audition and I loved his youtube videos with the Clefhangers. I still think that his voice and persona are best suited to being the lead in an ensemble group (I hate the term “boy band” but that is the genre).

Good for him for wanting to still give the entertainment business a go. He’s got a bit of a nest egg from the Idol tour that should last him for a year or two and I think with a good agent he should land a gig or two.

As far as Matt and an entertainment lawyer…isn’t that a more glorified type of agent. Someone to protect him when he makes contracts and such. I think Matt will back-door himself into the recording industry by touring first with cover stuff and then recording as his fan base increases. I think he has the goods to be a great showman and that is how I see his career progressing.

Sunn my fave analogy today:” an Adam’s chance at a hoedown” LOL-that’s made of win!

chrgi
Aug 27th, 2009 at 5:06 pm
luvadamlambert: Yeah even though I’m a total Adam fantard how could you just not like Kris?

It’s because he represents oppression and intolerance. Or he won. Not sure which.

Probably both.

Sry I thought that was Danny, jk.

This is interesting, Adam’s Mad World is back on the iTunes Top Pop 100 list. It’s at the bottom but it’s on there!

http://www.windpowersports.com/music/pop-songs.php

I, like many, many millions who voted for Kris, am perfectly content with his so-so material, his non-existent stage persona, and his near complete lack of charisma.

Bring on the album, BB.

hwc– I agree with you completely on Carrie’s first album. Pop pablum, factory made, very loosely connected to country and entirely unmemorable. In fact, except for maybe one or two songs, Carrie’s entire catalog thus far has been unmemorable. She’s selling well now, but her songs aren’t going to be around in a couple decades and remembered. A good voice does not make up for a crappy catalog of songs. Also, Carrie is well-liked in Nashville for many reasons, but her albums have not been well-reviewed by critics, and most of them are begging her to record better material. She may have sold well, but real country music fans are still waiting for her to put out a great album.

c) Move to Nashville where the indie producers and songwriters are, get serious, and try to carve out a crooner niche like a Norah Jones, perhaps with a world music slant.

Interesting idea. I love Norah Jones. (hwc…have you heard some of her Johnny Cash covers? But I digress…) I don’t know if Anoop needs to move to Nashville, however. There are some great songwriting communities in NY and LA. Austin and Minneapolis also have great music scenes and songwriting communities.

I don’t think this has been posted. A new video interview with David Cook, from the Washington radio station where he and Neal did an acoustic promo-thing.
http://www.star1015.com/onair/kentalan/55416272.html?video=pop&t=a
It’s really well worth watching!

luvadamlambert: Yeah even though I’m a total Adam fantard how could you just not like Kris?

I can see being neutral about Kris or even liking Kris but not liking his music. I don’t think anyone here is saying they “hate” Kris as a person.

I just can’t seem to listen to Kris – I’ve tried to like his music. He seems like a really nice guy and Adam seems to like his music, but it just doesn’t work for me. I don’t usually have a short attention span, but I just cannot seem to listen to an entire Kris song. During AI, I wandered out of the room during Heartless – it didn’t do anything for me. After seeing all the raves about it, I tried watching it online – once again I got distracted and started doing something else. I have heard Kris’ No Boundaries come on the radio when I was at our local pool – I had nothing else I was doing and told myself I was really going to listen to it – once again, distracted or spaced out and missed at least half.

What is odd is that I do listen to accoustic music. Much of my music library is folk music and “pop” music such as Jim Croce and Harry Chapin. (Of course, there is also the rock, classical & broadway soundtracks as well – I like a lot of different styles!) I expected to like Kris’ music and just find that I don’t.

Man I gotta go just looked at time, talk at ya all later: still waiting on vids from last night:).

Perfectly said eileen99 although the exaggeration
Is a bit much…whatever:D

wellheaback I think that was already posted:)?

Someone posted that Bo got rave reviews and stole the show from Carrie.

Were they talking about on the show or the tour? Either way, I disagree. Bo never stole any show from Carrie that I could see. On the tv show, the judges always thought that Carrie would win it all. When it came to the tour, Bo’s music was unnecessarily loud and sounded like noise. I always thought he was overrated. Carrie didn’t have stage presence as far as moving around, but her singing made up for it, her singing was always amazing.

luvadamlambert
Aug 27th, 2009 at 5:08 pm

Sunn my fave analogy today:’  an Adam’s chance at a hoedown’  LOL-that’s made of win!

I thought of you when I wrote it bb, I knew you’d like it.

i love kristopher and his music but that’s just me;)

Actually, if Anoop were really smart, he would ride the Idol gravy train to a Bollywood career.

Wow, are you sure that’s patronizing enough? I dunno, I think there’s still room to kick it up a notch! How about a joke about vindaloo? Or math? There’s still a few stereotypes left unturned!

Thank you, maturin, for saying what I was thinking. I also care very little about the Tarheel Ne-Yo. He’s alright though, seems like a good guy. Just find it hilarious that he just tweeted today about interviewers asking him about Slumdog. Sigh.

RE: Taylor Swift, she is definitely not Faith Hill 3.0, cuz she cannot sing. Carrie and Faith both can, really really well, in fact. I kind of cannot stand Taylor Swift, but even I have to admit, I think she is doing well because she is doing something different from all the other country blondes. Her songs are pop-country, sure, but very different from the cookie cutter country pop we’re used to. Not that I like any of it, haha, but I just mean her songs are different.

luvadamlambert:
Yeah even though I’m a total Adam fantard how could you just not like Kris?

chrgi: Aug 27th, 2009 at 5:06 pm
It’s because he represents oppression and intolerance. Or he won. Not sure which.

Probably both.

Finally someone admitted it. Who is more open minded and tolerant than Kris?

Chrgi

Don’t know if you were being serious or not. But in case you weren’t joking…

Kris doesn’t represent oppression and intolerance. He represents the exact OPPOSITE of those things. He was tagged as the open-minded, liberal Christian guy

It was Danny — not Kris — who got tagged with the oppression and intolerance thing — mainly because a vocal minority of his fans (including, unfortunately his own pastor) publicly ranted and raved about how a gay guy shouldn’t be allowed to win AI.

By this time next year I’m 90% sure(a prediction) that kris will be as successful as David cook this time next year;D

I would bet against that. What criteria would you use? Number of singles and cds sold the first year?

I never liked bo at all. I remember my teacher(second grade lol) being sad bo didn’t win. I wanted carrie to win out of the top 2 . I didn’t have afavirite last season. I’ve had favorites season 5-8- daughtry(I don’t like his personality now but whatever), melinda ( didn’t follow her at all once show ended), Brooke( started out liking Brooke and ramiele and after ramiele was elimenated I loved Brooke -didn’t buy her album listened to it though-downloaded radio radio as free music video of the week), and ADAM( need I say more?)

If Anoop thinks any label is going to sign him to be the first Indian-American Usher on R&B urban radio

Anoop’s biggest barrier, right there.

I think kris is honestly gonna end up doing better because he is getting no pressure. also noone seems to honestly hate him evenin the’ real world’ ’ hater blogs’ etc’ ¦. He out of all seems like he can shake the whole ‘idol bubble’ the fastest.

He’s not polarizing at all. But that’s actually a bad thing when it comes to shaking the Idol bubble.

I guess I am not reading the same reviews as others when people say Kris has only gotten one bad review or this is only one person’s opinion. I have read pretty much all of them and this is my conclusion: I have only seen one or two ‘good’  reviews for Kris, most of them were mediocre or ok- stating that he held his own (not a good review in my mind), and then there are several really stinging ones like the one from Detroit. Overall, the opinion seems to be the same. Kris is a mediocre singer that won a reality tv show. Adam steals the show and Matt is better than people thought. Like I said before, repeated enough, it becomes reality.

I’m reading these same reviews and this is my exact opinion as well.
Kris has never taken command of the concert. If he does, it will be reported.
Because of the fact that Kris is the winner, people expect him to at least
match Adam’s performances or exceed them.
This is not happening. Imo, he’s a very nice
guy for sure, but Kris is mediocre and doesn’t have a drop of charisma.

Oceana I would use name recognition and album sales.idk though just a guess:)

Ita about anoop sherena

aly I think kris has charisma but ymmv

Ita about anoop sherena

Yeah…It’s sad, but I think being Indian/Asian is a much bigger barrier to success in the music industry than being gay. Those races are just too associated with nerdiness and not with “cool” or “sexy” right now. Thank you hwc for bringing it up first, because I didn’t want to say it.

hwc, I can’t argue about Carrie’s cd, not really sure, but I do disagree about Taylor Swift being just another bottle blonde.

And, now comes Faith Hill 3.0 in with the next bottle-blond with a decent voice, Taylor Swift.

Taylor’s not generic, she’s quite unique and has her own sound, writes her own songs, is a prolific songwriter in fact, and I think she dances to the beat of her own drum. Couldn’t disagree more about her being generic.

I’m not a country fan, but am a Taylor Swift fan. I don’t know about Faith Hill, is she a songwriter too? (of course I know she’s a huge country star with some crossover appeal) Carrie’s strength is in her voice while Taylor’s is in her songwriting and uniqueness.

I just listened to FH’s most popular song at Itunes, Breathe, sounds to me like she has a typical country voice, twang and all, while Taylor sounds a lot more pop to me. I also don’t think Taylor and Carrie are similar musically, except for having blonde hair. I’m not a Carrie fan, though I admire her, and actually haven’t bought any of her cds, just a few songs here and there, she’s too “country” for me. That’s why I can’t argue for her songs as I’m not a judge of country music, but I know Taylor’s music well. (just listened to FH’s 2nd most popular itunes song, This Kiss, which also sounds too country and old-fashioned to me. Sorry, don’t see how Taylor is a clone of hers.)

littlecomment- I’m as serious as my AT&T approved white robe and hood.

All good then. (I think – cause I’m taking it as a joke.) And I agree with you that success on the show does not guarantee success after the show, other than you have a guarantee that a big name company will be promoting your product ( if they like you).

As I have said before, the majority of AI viewers don’t usually purchase anyone’s music after the season is over. Some never intend to and others have lost their original passion for the artist by the time the CD rolls out. Still others decide they don’t like the CD, either because of the disconnect between the artist’s AI performances and what they ultimately put out as “their music” or they just don’t like the songs. Its really up to the die hard fans and -more importantly – the folks outside of the AI universe to make or break the AI player. And in some aspects in the industry being an AI winner or an also ran can be as much of a hindrance as a help in going on with your career.

ETA: I like Kris. Just like Adam more!

Oceana I would use name recognition and album sales.idk though just a guess:)

“name recognition” would be hard to quantify and they both have that, having won Idol, but album sales would be a fair barometer. (eta: and concert sales)

I’m just teasing, I’m not into betting, I wish Kris the best, but I think David Cook’s been very successful so far and Kris will be doing quite well if he can do as well his first year. More power to him, and nice that you think so highly of him.

MJ’s interview on Vote For the Worst was very interesting – I enjoyed it

I think everyone should check out Scott’s twitter for the lulz. He tweets about food,pictures ofhim with food,pictures of him holding things about food. It’s hilarious:D

Idols seem to be chilling on their rainy day off in Milwaukee:

AnoopDoggesai:

Reading the paper at a diner on a rainy day. Simple joys.
about 3 hours ago from TwitterFon

MGiraudOfficial

I took a cab alone to a Taco Bell in the middle of nowhere (hood) ha! I have a problem.Rainy chili day in Mil-Gokee Loving every minute.
about 1 hour ago from TwitterFon

IdolScott:

Chicken pork beans rice and this amazing garlic-lime sauce at Cubanitas! Yummo..
about 1 hour ago from txt

http://twitpic.com/fhg65 – Walking by the lake

http://twitpic.com/fhju2 – Choccherry scone hazelnutmocha!
31 minutes ago from TwitPic

KrisAllen4real

Rainy day in gokeyland.
about 5 hours ago from TwitterFon

spring2009 Aug 27th, 2009 at 5:37 pm

MJ’s interview on Vote For the Worst was very interesting – I enjoyed it

Do you have a link for it? Found it really easy. For anyone else interested it is at this link 2nd article down

http://votefortheworst.com/

Matt, maybe? I don’t see Danny or Sarver or Scott moving to L.A.

Matt always talks about going back to Michigan. Danny mentioned possibly relocating to either LA or Nashville (LA was mentioned earlier this summer), and I think Sarver mentioned relocating to Nashville. Of course, I have no idea what they will eventually do.

Allison tweeted today too…. I think she’s recording?……..and I think Adam’s tweet was posted upthread…about donorschoose

MGiraudOfficial

I took a cab alone to a Taco Bell in the middle of nowhere (hood) ha! I have a problem.Rainy chili day in Mil-Gokee Loving every minute.
about 1 hour ago from TwitterFon

And here is David Cook’s response to Matt’s tweet about Taco Bell

@MGiraudOfficial that makes complete sense to me. ~D

I think danny will do nashville becuz he’s going country

I don’t have a problem with Kris, the person, or Kris the winner of AI. He’s not necessarily my cuppa’ since I’m much more into glam etc. but I do have a bit of an itch when it comes to, for want of a better term, the excuses that circulate, not by Kris but by his fandom, about how he is perceived by the world outside of AI (so far).

Just like the winner of a political election, Kris needs to be held accountable for his own perception post AI. If he isn’t wowing the concert audiences that is in his personal balliwick. He can’t be excused because his style of music or his style of presentation isn’t flamboyant…he needs to find something that sets him apart, like he apparantly did during the competition.

Multi genre concerts are very difficult to review but I have read reviews from some radio sponsored multi-artist concerts and the reviewers have judged according to the artist and not artist vs. artist. Last year reviewers gave the same high praise to Lady GaGa as they did to Jason Mraz..and they are oceans apart in their presentations.

All I am saying is that if Kris was on top of his game and was the best of the night the reviewers would say that regardless of how anyone else was doing. But that isn’t happening…Kris’ reviews are good but they aren’t as good as those of other performers. So, I am just saying that Kris needs to step his game up so that he will get a Great review.

“Still others decide they don’t like the CD, either because of the disconnect between the artist’s AI performances and what they ultimately put out as ‘their music’ .

I think the above quote is right on. I loved Ruben and Fantasia on the show but cannot stand any of their albums, except Ruben’s Christian album. Had they sung their kind of music on the show, I would never have voted for them.

I think using themes on the show does everyone a disservice except maybe lets AI off cheaper using old material. We viewers really don’t know who the idols are musically because they don’t get to perform the kind of music they really want to make, usually. If they could just choose their own songs and sing them the way they want, we would have a better representation of who America thinks should be the next idol and the viewers would buy more of the cds. I have bought almost 20 cds through the years. Most I like a lot. Some I bought on the strength of what I heard them do on Idol, and most of those I wouldn’t buy again.

IdolScott:

Chicken pork beans rice and this amazing garlic-lime sauce at Cubanitas! Yummo..
about 1 hour ago from txt

And he’s still talking about food…………LOL!

Charisma and talent would only prevent the dogwhistling from being heard properly. It is much easier for the Silent Majority to project their values onto a blank slate. However, I think the tour reviews are making sure the arc remains bent towards justice. Poor Kris. I wonder if he knows he is merely a pawn.

http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/news/55418232.html
Raining in Gokeyland
By Kathy Flanigan of the Journal Sentinel
Aug. 27, 2009 2:03 p.m.

When American Idol winner Kris Allen tweets, everybody reads. The gazillion responses are the electronic equivalent of screaming.

All it took was the simple statement “Rainy day in gokeyland” as the idol and his tour mates, among them hometown guy Danny Gokey, contemplated what to do in rainy Milwaukee. The Season 8 American Idols perform at the Bradley Center tomorrow night.

Here’s the best of the return tweets so far, from someone asking about Milwaukee: “Is it just a huge theme park where you try on glasses?”

Have you got anything better? Just asking.

Vada that was already posted:)

spring2009
Aug 27th, 2009 at 5:37 pm
MJ’s interview on Vote For the Worst was very interesting – I enjoyed it

Cool stuff, going to check it out now.

I’m confused about David Cook’s latest tweet to Matt:

thedavidcook @MGiraudOfficial that makes complete sense to me. ~D about 1 hour ago from web

What is that in response to?

Matt’s recent tweets:

I took a cab alone to a Taco Bell in the middle of nowhere (hood) ha! I have a problem.Rainy chili day in Mil-Gokee Loving every minute. about 1 hour ago from TwitterFon
My dad wore a “Matt G’s Dad” T shirt last night. When I called him at intermission, he said he had to go cuz someone wanted a pic w/ him! Ha about 5 hours ago from TwitterFon

I took out Matt’s tweets to Allison and Anoop cuz DC isn’t following those two, and I assume didn’t see those.

But then Jason tweeted in response to DC’s tweet?

@thedavidcook haha
about 1 hour ago from web in reply to thedavidcook

Does Jason know what DC was talking about to Matt? Or maybe Jason was just haha’ing about GRO’s vlog about their pranks with DC on tour? I need to know what these boys are talking about cuz I’m nosy like that!

My feeling is’“reading this thread’“since Adam lost, Adam fans have a lot to prove in a lot of aspects. ‘Get over’  probably is easier said than done.

Seems like more complaints are coming from Kris fans because of the reviews. Also Adam fans are not the ones writing the reviews after each concert.

Sma11ie david’s responding to matt’s taxi taco bell tweet

I think the above quote is right on. I loved Ruben and Fantasia on the show but cannot stand any of their albums, except Ruben’s Christian album

I didn’t really watch their season or vote of them to win, but I’ve bought music from Fantasia, Kelly and Jordin, just because I liked what I heard on the radio. I think for any idol contestant, the music they make will determine their success or failure after the show.

Personally I think that Kris may have a rude awakening about what being a ‘celebrity’  really means. So far he has been rather insulated’ ¦Adam has taken most of the swipes up to now’ ¦Kris has stayed low keyed. He hasn’t had to sell himself at all’ ¦.even his ‘No Boundaries’  was pulled and he didn’t have to work on selling that every night. Kris is still being ‘sold’  as the AI winner, he gets the pimp spot because he is the AI winner, he gets the TV gigs and the radio shows because he is the AI winner.

Unlike, say David Cook who spent a lot of time and energy trying to get himself established in the music business and gain cred as a singer and entertainer (even though he had a nice college education to fall back on) Kris, as far as I can tell, did a few coffee house presentations, a few small town gigs, and made an independent CD which was pretty bland’ ¦and then moved on to marriage, back to school, and normalacy when his attempt failed.

So now Kris, for the first time, will be facing the real world where he is in competition with the best of the best in the recording industry. I don’t have a clue as to whether Kris has the drive and the stamina and the grits to pull it off. I really think that his journey may be harder than people realize.

I have never really thought of it like this before, YES. Experience-wise in the industry Kris is probably on par with Jordon (maybe?), but the difference would be that he is not 17. He is a grown man and will be expected to jump right in and make it happen & take the hard knocks when they happen. From everything that I’ve seen, thankfully it appears that he has a wonderful & supportive family that will help him over the bumps.

My feeling is’“reading this thread’“since Adam lost, Adam fans have a lot to prove in a lot of aspects. ‘Get over’  probably is easier said than done.

It’s not that serious. They are still in the idol bubble. This probably already been said 1000 times. They are going to be tested with their origninal music.

You know you may be right … but never lump all Adam fans together. Sometimes it is as simple as not agreeing. I’m not sure what Adam fans have to prove, same could be said about other fans of other idols.

I think kris is honestly gonna end up doing better because he is getting no pressure. also noone seems to honestly hate him evenin the’ real world’ ’ hater blogs’ etc’ ¦. He out of all seems like he can shake the whole ‘idol bubble’ the fastest.

He just needs to put out some half decent music. That puppy schtick that helped him on Idol is over. In the real world, he either delivers or goes bust.He doesnt get pointers anymore for being the safe generic nice kid……..but then again generic sells like cheese dip, so he should do ok.Something with a hook and he’ll be fine.

I think for any idol contestant, the music they make will determine their success or failure after the show.

Yep. Idol tour reviews, while fun to read, are pretty meaningless in the long run.

I think using themes on the show does everyone a disservice except maybe lets AI off cheaper using old material. We viewers really don’t know who the idols are musically because they don’t get to perform the kind of music they really want to make, usually.

That’s always been a problem. But with the really good singers on the show, I think it’s not been such a problem.

With Carrie and Kellie Pickler, for instance, as well as Bucky, everyone knew they would sing country afterwards even if they had to sing other genres on the show. I knew Kelly would do rock/pop, and Daughtry, Bo, and David Cook would do rock, and even that Archie wanted to do young, current music (because he said so more than once). It was also obvious what Brooke and Jason would sing. So, not really seeing the problem now in retrospect.

Mostly I think the winners and the ones who really stand out are pretty clear about what kind of music they want to make and it’s not such a huge shock. Taylor always said he liked soul, for instance. I think if you listen to what they say, and keep in mind that they have to sing certain genres on the show, it’s not too big a surprise afterwards. But people like Danny or Michael Sarver who don’t really know what they want to do, or are willing to do something else than what they say they want, it’s up for grabs.

With some, like Ruben, people really liked the ballads and Luthor-type music he sang on the show, so it was a surprise when he came out with more hiphop rap type music. And didn’t sell all that well. The show hasn’t been geared towards hiphop really, but is getting more so.

Dog whistles? A pawn? I’m lost.

lol… me too… I was considering responding with PAWNS OF THE DARK LORD! :O

I have a tough time processing my response to experiencing Kris’ performance. I love Adam. My ipod is littered with his pre-idol, idol, and concert stuff. I want his cd *now*. For Kris… Falling Slowing is the only AI iTunes I have (want). I will check out Kris’ cd when it is released but I’m not impatient for it. But… I enjoyed Kris’ performance more than Adams’ when I went to the concert. I am still shaking my head over it. Watching YouTube videos from the concert… I prefer Adam (a lot). But live… Kris swept me away and I felt so connected to the music. So, for me, Kris is a great performer. I refuse to analyze it. Life is better with a bit of mystery (the mystery not being Kris’ success as a performer, but my experience given I am a fan of Adam’s music, not Kris’).

ETA: I may not be impatient for Kris’ cd, but I have to admit I am now much more interested/curious and am hoping to find that connection listening to his cd.

I find the Kris discussion extremely interesting. I will say now that I am seriously in Adam’s corner but do have some respect for Kris. He is an extremely nice guy, a great musician (an ok singer) and as for charisma, he has a lot more in person then what comes across on the stage. I think his biggest challenge post tour will be not getting lost in the current t40 shuffle. He will need to find a way to stand out from a pretty crowded playing field. I think that Kris should have close to the same level of success that David has had thus far. I actually think David could have had a LOT more success if RCA had not put out the weak and horrid Light On as his first single and had him touring in little towns that escewed his primary fan base. His post idol career has seemed so haphazard to me. But anyway, back to Kris.

There were some weeks on AI that I actually gave him the night over Adam. At least twice(ain’t no sunshine, works hard for the money). So I can see how he ended up winning the title if people over all just LIKED him better. I still contend that Adam, if AI was really about finding the best of the season, should have won but that is turbulent water under the bridge now. The tour is only showcasing in huge exploding red letters that Adam is incredible, even if he isn’t your cup of tea. And Kris does not have that “winner” aura that DC had last year. I was a huge Castro and Cook fan last year and I could not WAIT for David C to take the stage. And he truly rocked it. That show was all his. Kris does not do that. In interviews he does not do that. I hate when he interviews with Adam(which thankfully is rarely these days) because he does not even command the interview. DC was clearly the spokesperson for s7 top 10, Kris, not at all.

I do give Kris some lee way because he is young. I think he can and will grow into stardom. I think all the potential is there.

sma11ie I had wondered if DC ever did something similar (re. take a cab to someplace out of nowhere) and maybe Jason knew about it?

I think kris is honestly gonna end up doing better because he is getting no pressure.

He may have lower expectations but at the same time is that such a great thing for an Idol winner? Kris is going to have an uphill battle because he doesn’t have a ton of media buzz and he’s going to continue being labeled as the guy who shouldn’t have won this season. Unless he puts out an absolutely amazing album and churns out hit after hit I can’t see that stigma going away. If Adam ends up outselling him the media is going to be brutal towards him, so no I don’t see how his expectations or are any different.. He’s still going to be held up to other winners when his music drops just like his No Boundaries sales were being compared to previous winners.

eta:

I think that Kris should have close to the same level of success that David has had thus far. I actually think David could have had a LOT more success if RCA had not put out the weak and horrid Light On as his first single and had him touring in little towns that escewed his primary fan base.

IMO DC has sold as well as he has because he came off his win with a large dedicated fanbase and he had a lot of support from 19E, plus his touring has helped expand his base. I’m not 100% convinced Kris has either of that and I say this as someone who hopes he does very well.

I agree–I can easily understand why someone wouldn’t like Kris or Adam musically. I think Adam is incredible and I really enjoy Kris, but no artist can possibly appeal to everyone.

But to dislike one of them as a person? No, that I don’t get. Indifference I could understand but not active dislike. Adam and Kris genuinely seem like two of the sweetest, most decent, most supportive people you could ever hope to meet.

You don’t have to like their music to recognize that.

isitoveryet: I have never really thought of it like this before, YES. Experience-wise in the industry Kris is probably on par with Jordon (maybe?), but the difference would be that he is not 17. He is a grown man and will be expected to jump right in and make it happen & take the hard knocks when they happen. From everything that I’ve seen, thankfully it appears that he has a wonderful & supportive family that will help him over the bumps.

Kris was only 23 at the time of his win, which puts him in the middle of idol winners, age wise, and the youngest male winner. He was signed to Jive which brags about it’s “young” roster. So, I think he is considered, like Jordin, to be a still developing talent.

I was considering responding with PAWNS OF THE DARK LORD! :O

Sounds like a good movie

That’s good birchtree.glad kris connected with u. that didn’t happen to me though becuz Adam was ………:D

oceana- That is my point exactly.

Seriously, Kris seems remarkably well adjusted for someone who won American Idol. And it hasn’t gone unnoticed. The people who have worked with him have mentioned his passion about music and his work ethic. and those are traits that I think will take him far.

But to dislike one of them as a person? No, that I don’t get. Indifference I could understand but not active dislike. Adam and Kris genuinely seem like two of the sweetest, most decent, most supportive people you could ever hope to meet.

I havent seen anyone state dislike for either so far

How old were Kelly and Carrie when they won? I don’t like the “young” excuse.

A new video interview with David Cook, from the Washington radio station where he and Neal did an acoustic promo-thing.

Interesting stories, but what a tease that video is! How can they show us david and Neal sitting there, guitars in hand, but not post the songs?!

RE: Reviewers mentioning it if Kris does well in concert- I was at the Albany show, up on the side where I could see almost the entire venue. The newspaper reporter was on the floor. He said Adam got the bigger crowd response, and guess what? NOT TRUE. The entire top 4 got a big response, but Kris was the only performer that got everyone in the place to jump to their feet spontaneously, without any cajoling from the performer. Many people on the floor stood for most of the time from Anoop on, but Kris was the only one who got the people on the sides to stand. Reviewers are not infallible observers.

AI is sort of like some big market research project but because of certain factors (theme weeks, audience demographic, etc) it’s not perfect. But for the most part the winners have done better than the also-rans. Probably because of the big label that promotes them, more than anything else honestly.

THIS

Dog whistles? A pawn? I’m lost.

“Dog whistling” usually refers to “code words” by which ultra conservative people communicate with each other without coming right out and saying “this one is ok”. For example, under this theory, a politician who has “strong family values” could be assumed to be anti gay marriage. (I am a liberal person but I think this is how the phrase is meant). My interpretation of that post is that the poster believes that Kris benefitted from the “anyone but the gay guy” attitude that a significant portion of the AI audience is assumed to have. That was my takeaway from it.

Actually I think when you look at who is musical peers are most likely going to be, Kris is on the young side at 24.

GRO posted this video on YouTube of the pranks they and David Cook/band played on each other on their last day touring. Includes new views of Green Man. (I have searched & I don’t think its been posted here).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5-awdqycQCA

tiger92
Aug 27th, 2009 at 6:08 pm
How old were Kelly and Carrie when they won? I don’t like the ‘young’  excuse.

Kelly was 20 and Carrie was 22. Ruben was 24, turning 25 about 4 months later. Fantasia was 19 (almost 20), if I remember correctly.

BeckyMD: I think Kris needs to prove that he deserves to win.

To whom? That’s funny. Where is it written that we don’t know about? Sorry, nobody needs to prove anything to anybody. May be those who lost may rather want to prove that they deserved it more.
What is this going on here? He won a competition, he didn’t “steal”. He has a recording contract and has the opportunity to make a music career.He might be successful or not. Period! I bet you, Kris is not thinking of that right now. He already proved that on the show and that’s why he won.

Sorry, the “young” thing doesnt fly unless you’re 17 and named Jordin Sparks…

He’s not much younger than most of the Idol Alumni,except for Taylor Hicks, whom I still refuse to believe is a day under 40

Does Jason know what DC was talking about to Matt? Or maybe Jason was just haha’ing about GRO’s vlog about their pranks with DC on tour? I need to know what these boys are talking about cuz I’m nosy like that!

Matt mentioned Taco Bell. Cook has gone on record a few times saying that he (Cook) quite likes Taquitos from Quik Trip. Didn’t someone ship him a case during last year’s AI tour? Jason would know about that.

Does anyone know when Adam’s contract is over with 19 ??

Thank you Josie, that makes perfect sense to me.

spring2000- It’s not over. He was picked up by them.

Steve- lol. Exactly.

But to dislike one of them as a person? No, that I don’t get. Indifference I could understand but not active dislike. Adam and Kris genuinely seem like two of the sweetest, most decent, most supportive people you could ever hope to meet.

I havent seen anyone state dislike for either so far

I haven’t read the whole thread but I didn’t really notice any of that either–my comment was more of just a general comment. Outside of MJ’s and ontdi_ai, there’s a lot more personal dislike or even hatred for Adam or Kris from people who favor the other, and people seemed to be discussing that. Or maybe that’s here too, but people disguise it better.

Kelly was 20 and Carrie was 22. Ruben was 24, turning 25 about 4 months later. Fantasia was 19 (almost 20), if I remember correctly.

And Kelly was 19 for most of the show, turned 20 on April 24. Just a kid. Diana DeGarmo was 16, she’s done great for herself in theater.

spring2000- It’s not over. He was picked up by them.

I know that but the contract is not as long as it is for Kris right? Please tell me this time next year.

There are some great songwriting communities in NY and LA. Austin and Minneapolis also have great music scenes and songwriting communities.

There are. But, New York and LA are hideously expensive. I don’t see Anoop fitting in the Austin scene in any way shape or form. Nashville is at least close to home.

I actually think he’s missing the boat completely by not pursuing a niche in world music.

Speaking of which, I wonder if 19E has told Allison she has to rerecord all the vocal tracks for the Spanish version of her album yet? Or will they spring that on her after the tour?

spring, I don’t think anyone would know unless they are able to see the contract he signed with them. And I don’t think anyone in the media has looked into it.

hwc- And Adam should make sure he uses the right pronouns in his songs as to not alienate his fanbase am I right?

spring, I don’t think anyone would know unless they are able to see the contract he signed with them. And I don’t think anyone in the media has looked into it.

Sigh, I am already waiting for an end date!

And Kelly was 19 for most of the show, turned 20 on April 24. Just a kid. Diana DeGarmo was 16, she’s done great for herself in theater

Season 1 did not end in May, like the other seasons. The season 1 finale was on Sept. 2 according to Wikipedia, so Kelly was 20.
Diana DeGarmo was a runner up, like Archie, who was also 16 at the start of his season. I was only addressing the winners in my previous posts.

Kellie Pickler tweet, she and Taylor Swift are playing Madison Square Garden tonight.

therealpickler So excited 2 be opening 4 @taylorswift13 tonight at MSG!! on my bus trying 2 figure out which shoes to wear 4 the show!

I think he’s basically stuck for as long as they wanted him. Didn’t Kelly and Clay have to sue to get out of 19E’s clutches?

Is this codetalk for go to India

It’s a trainwhistle, IMO.

pursuing a niche in world music.

Is this codetalk for go to India

Kelly was 20 and Carrie was 22. Ruben was 24, turning 25 about 4 months later. Fantasia was 19 (almost 20), if I remember correctly.

And Kelly was 19 for most of the show, turned 20 on April 24. Just a kid. Diana DeGarmo was 16, she’s done great for herself in theater.

Good to know.So we can kill that “he’s young” noise now, before it gets as loud as the “Bus” chorus

Way to go Kellie – talk about a turnaround from the show!! She’s the one who has impressed me big time……………………..

Wow, are you sure that’s patronizing enough?

What patronizing? Bollywood is huge. Obviously a huge market in India and southeast asia, but considerable interest here as well. My daughter and her friends were big Bollywood movie buffs in the dorm at college. For mindless pop stuff, the music is fantastic. The Idol platform could be a perfect jumping off point for making Anoop a ton of money. Beats trying to make it doing Chris Brown ballads — unless he’s content to work the frat party circuit.

As for reviews: I love that Adam is getting such generally good-to-great ones. It’s gratifying to see his astonishing talent being recognized outside the bubble of the show. My impression is that Allison is getting generally very positive, often great, reviews, then Kris or Kris/Matt getting somewhat more mixed but still generally positive, often excellent, reviews. Those four have done exceedingly well for themselves on tour. Fans of any or all of Kradison have every reason to be happy.

The reviews don’t guarantee success, of course. The sweep of them does tell us something about how these guys will be received as performers and singers in the real word, but all bets are off when they get their own material. Like I said, it’s gratifying to see all the praise for Adam, and I’m happy that Allison and Kris are generally getting praise as well, and while it doesn’t guarantee success for any of them, it’s certainly a nice start.

Good to know.So we can kill that ‘he’s young’  noise now, before it gets as loud as the ‘Bus’  chorus

No. He is still the youngest male winner, and in the middle of the pack of all 8 idols.

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Noop could get work as a backup singer for studio work or tours, to supplement his income. I would love to see him get an opening slot for someone who plays small venues, but that is hard to do unless one has a record deal.

Does anoop evenknow hindi?

luvadamlambert Aug 27th, 2009 at 6:06 pm

That’s good birchtree.glad kris connected with u. that didn’t happen to me though becuz Adam was ‘ ¦’ ¦’ ¦:D

I agree about Adam! Maybe the connection with Kris was because I didn’t watch concert videos of Kris before and so it was all so fresh to my eyes and ears… either way, I think Kris is great live.

After reading all of the reviews and seeing the audience reaction to the Idols performing live, I have come to a startling conclusion’ ¦the judges really weren’t all that batsh*t crazy.

Adam, Danny and Matt are getting rave reviews on tour. The only fly in the ointment is Allison. I believe the judges revved up the bus much more so for Alli than Kris.

19E is about making money and they knew that a girl is not as big of a draw as cute boys. I believe they knew they were gonna sign her and make money off of her regardless if she won or not.

As far as Kris goes, they really didn’t go after him. They were kinda neutral, actually. Perhaps they too were not blown away by his live performance.

I am a fan of Adam but I liked Kris during the season. Kris had a few outstanding performances and the rest were kinda ‘meh’ for me.

I braved the early morning call and went to the GMA concert. Loved Adam’s acoustic ‘Starlight’. His voice is unreal.

I was shocked at how much I liked Kris. His voice is beautiful. The beginning of ‘Heartless’ is gorgeous, but he loses me as the song goes on. He does connect with the audience in those first few notes and then he goes inside himself and the connection is lost. I think this is a bad habit that he can overcome.

Kris won AI. I have no doubt that his album will sell because of that. I predict that he will come close to platinum sales. I don’t know how successful his touring will be.

Doesn’t that seem like an oxymoron to take a cab to Taco Bell?

I haven’t read the whole thread but I didn’t really notice any of that either’“my comment was more of just a general comment. Outside of MJ’s and ontdi_ai, there’s a lot more personal dislike or even hatred for Adam or Kris from people who favor the other, and people seemed to be discussing that. Or maybe that’s here too, but people disguise it better.

Whenever I go into EW’s comment section I encounter more homophobia than I ever knew existed. Hopefully it’s the same person posting over and over but I don’t know.

Didn’t ontd_ai start the gokeyisadouche thing on twitter? That wasn’t exactly a tender moment.

I’d say Adam and Danny are lightening rods for hate in one form or another but I’ve never noticed much dislike for any other contestant with the exception being the ‘right and Godly’ uproar with Sarver – which now seems to have faded since Sarver made himself Mr. Twitter.

ThisIsLife I fear for your life now.:). calling Adam fans glamberts is the ultimate insult and adding Adam insults on top of that.as truthiness said in a tour post “fly my monkeys!fly!”.as newfan said before if I were u I would run .far far away.

personally I have no problem with ur opinion because it’s not worth wasting time on.bye! Thanks for coming(waves): D

I believe this whole discussion started pages back about reviews by the media (currently for the tour and projecting what will happen when the albums drop). Although Kris and his fans may not feel he needs to prove he is a deserving winner, I suspect it will be a common theme in those media stories this fall. I haven’t even watched Idol before (and have no interest in watching again) so I would suspect that this theme is commonly used when the albums drop since the competition aspect of how they GOT that record contract is part of the story.

This year may be even more so since whether you want to discount whether it effected the vote the “anyone but the gay guy” and “make sure the “good” christian wins” were definitely happening at the time of the final vote – Pastor Rolex and his ilk and Bill O’Reilly and other conservative media were not figments of our imaginations and that will certainly add to the story. The media are looking for stories that will grab peoples attention, they certainly aren’t going to skip this one when the time comes. The story could be “Yes, Kris is deserving – look at that platinum in 1 week album!” but it will still be part of the story.

sorry I’m dwelling on the anoop thing. the dancing is hilarious. I think anoop’s too much of a “thinker” to do that. honestly when I see it I alternate between laughing and crying. It’s that bad. Sorry just my opinion.

season 6 remember sanjaya. He was obviously a joke but in an article a bollywood person ( producer?director?idk) was interviewed and was asked like would he have a shot here? The person was like no we have our own version of idol and was basicly being snobby and bitc*y about the whole thing. Not comparing sanjaya and anoop but anoop’s not going to be welcomed with open arms.

Erm there seems to be a lot of bollywood chatter tonight so thought Id weigh in too.. Am Indian born and raised (and wow the weather is nice in Delhi right now) and just to let you know that jumping on this particular ‘gravy train’ aint gonna be easy… Slumdog didnt set the domestic market on fire and anoop is not a good fit for it in any way(as someone has commented I doubt he can even speak hindi)..
And just to stick up for bollywood music, its not all mindless pop… I would reference jai ho as I guess it would be familiar to most, and its a great song, but for most of us here, rehman has done much better in other film soundtracks… And god did the pussycat dolls murder the lyrics…sniff..sorry got carried away

Allison got some praise… See people?! This is why we need paula. wow I never thought I would say that:D

Adam interviews???!!!!!!!! I can’t wait much longer

Have we already talked about the new Dallas auditions preview on Facebook today?

http://www.americanidol.com/videos/season_9/auditions/

Alexis Grace is doing the man in the crowd interviews. I was hoping for a little Neil Patrick Harris action.

iluvadamlambert dont the adam fans call themselves glamberts???
I thought that was Adam fans ship name.

I feel for Allison as well as kris.They both derserves more praise than Adam or Danny.They should of been the top 2.Kara
was a huge allison fan though and i still feel for her.She was the best female this year.Hopefully TPTB knew that much.I dont re-call any judge who didnt kiss the ground adam or danny walked on.

Is this codetalk for go to India

No, not codetalk. He should go to India and sign a big recording contract. Cash money.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aYyKvp5oT8Q

I don’t think it will matter all that much who won AI once these guys are on their own as performers. All of them, whether it’s Adam, Kris, Allison, Matt, Danny or whoever, will need to build a fanbase outside of the fanatic AI followers if they hope to have a long career in the music business. AI followers tend to be fickle — many of them will stop following this bunch once the next season starts up. The most ardent fans of a particular person will continue to support them, but the more casual AI fans may or may not. Meanwhile, I believe most reviewers will be able to get beyond the whole “who won AI” thing and judge them more on what they do in the future, rather than on dwelling on past results. There may be some people who can’t get beyond all the AI crap, but hopefully they will be in the minority. I realize the AI label tends to stick, but the farther the musicians get away from having appeared on the show, the less it seems to be brought up. It may never go away entirely, but the more successful former AI contestants don’t seem to hear about it nearly as much as the ones who have struggled.

Although Kris and his fans may not feel he needs to prove he is a deserving winner, I suspect it will be a common theme in those media stories this fall.

Agreed. I also suspect that in the future Kris will be compared more to the other Idol winners than Adam. That’s how it always seems to go: “Who’s the most successful American Idol?” He’s going to have to live up to Underwood/Clarkson numbers/recognition to be considered “successful.”

Kris will get no sympathy from me with regards to getting thrown under the bus’ ¦. Allison has tire treads on her back.

Well…Allison did immediately receive a record deal. She’s also young, spunky and talented. I think she’ll be fine. Given her 4th place finish, I also think she’ll be given more room to grow and develop than the others. IMO, she’s in a great position. Probably the best possible.

Oak Felder seems to be working with Allison.

His wikipedia page

zoran,

I agree that anoop would have to work very hard to carve out a career in bollywood, but if he could do it, the payoff would be huge. It certaiinly dwarfs the potential market for Indian American Usher wannabees on black urban hip-hop radio stations. I suspect that his American Idol 15 minutes of fame might at least open some doors for him. I would certainly be exploring the world music scene both in the United States, in the UK, and in India.

Btw there’s a hilarious post on ontd_ai on who looks/ sounds like who.it’s really LOL worthy.like Morgan freemen and kris;)

Jae-Its not the reviewers that i was upset about.I read reviews and laugh it off.

I would like for kris to have media attention.But i care more about his music.Im here for kris’s music.Im not here to see him
outshine adam or to get media attention.

The reason i was upset was because of the comments on here about how kris needs to prove something.

season 6 remember sanjaya. He was obviously a joke but in an article a bollywood person ( producer?director?idk) was interviewed and was asked like would he have a shot here? The person was like no we have our own version of idol and was basicly being snobby and bitc*y about the whole thing. Not comparing sanjaya and anoop but anoop’s not going to be welcomed with open arms.

Yeah.

The whole idea of “Anoop should do Bollywood” is just lazy thinking. Anoop is American through and through, and Bollywood is ridiculously far from his genre of music. And no, he won’t just be accepted because– lolol–he’s Indian–and it’s India!

Of course, if anyone knows a lot about the Indian music industry, please convince me otherwise.

ETA:

But uh, aren’t we living in post racial america?

…No. There are still stereotypes. And “nerdy” is such a deal killer in R&B (actually in a lot of genres). Doesn’t mean Anoop can’t overcome that though– it’s just imo his biggest challenge by far.

Wow. Pages and pages of discussion on Anoop and I’m not even here for it you guys. You guyssssssss. Kind of seriously upsetting.

Just a few quick things. Yeah yeah. Anoop is Indian. But uh, aren’t we living in post racial america? My president is black and my R&B star is Indian. What a world we live in. Not to mention the Hasidic Jew rapper or whatever else. Like, Anoop isn’t trying to be Usher. He’s said that over and over and over. He’s not going to make club R&B or R&B with funky fresh beats. It’s going to be lyrical and smooth. Something he does so incredibly well.

Also, like someone else said, Anoop is so completely North Carolinian.. his parents did stress the importance of learning about his Indian culture, but dude is southern american. And he’s educated. I almost feel like some people hold that against him. Like, oh, he can’t be a successful R&B singer because he isn’t black, and doesn’t talk/act black the way R&B stars are perceived to.

Also, Anoop is frugal and thoughtful. You don’t think he’s thought about this? Anoop. The thinker. Hasn’t considered failure? Or the expense? Or how hard it’s going to be? He’s had the same car since high school (a nice car too. which his parents BOUGHT him no problem) and he doesn’t seem to waste money or anything. I think he’s even said he’s pretty frugal. and his parents spoil and baby him so much. It’s kind of made him act the way he does now, but it’s also really sweet. They support him so much and genuinely believe he can do it. And his family seems to be pretty well off.. they’ll take care of their baby.

Realistically.. I’d be all, what, no way Anoop you can’t do this. Seriously. You finished 6th and you don’t really project the R&B aesthetic. But he has this strange sort of confidence and seriousness that radiates from him and it makes me believe in him. He does have exposure, and i’m sure there are people interested in him. And Anoop is willing to not only try, but to do his absolute very best to succeed. He seems to be pretty adept at making connections too. He seems to be friends with, or at least know pretty well, Amos Lee and Kal Penn.

His big problem is his image.. and I think once he stops trying to be something he’s not (a dancer, clearly) he’ll do a lot better. Cause it is a bit laughable. He’s not rough and tough, or gangsta, or sexy or anything. He’s Anooop.

ALSO, HWC. He’s not trying to be Usher, or do Hip-Hop. R&B. There is a difference. Hugely, because what you’re saying he CAN’T do, isn’t something he’s trying to do.

Well allison is smart and has fans that listen.Told them throw bills and so they did http://twitpic.com/f6l3k

‘ ¦No. There are still stereotypes. And ‘nerdy’  is such a deal killer in R&B (actually in a lot of genres). Doesn’t mean Anoop can’t overcome that though’“ it’s just imo his biggest challenge by far.

I’d like to know why Anoop is a nerd.

Is it BECAUSE he’s Indian and educated? Cause from what I’ve seen, he’s a handsome, smart, talented young man, that’s extremely into sports and fitness and the occasional book. He’s well-rounded. He’s also very comfortable around people, and very mellow. He’s not some nerd scurrying about with darting eyes, with books pressed tightly to himself. He’s like 6’2. Handsome. He’s not a nerd. He’s a smart Indian. But he’s not a nerd.

I would consider him more of a R&B… person than a nerd. He’s cerebral, but not socially inept or anything. like.. why are smart people big ol geeks now..

I think that Anoop is going to surprise a lot of people. Sure, it’s going to take some major determination and perseverance, but I think he has that. And really, with a voice like his, he should be singing!

Maybe because my mom told me that I should shoot for the moon because even if I miss i’ll land among the stars and that I can do anything i set my mind to, but i don’t see why Anoop can’t succeed.

If ANYTHING, him being Indian will be sort of a novelty type thing. He’s even said that like aside from his tone, his Indian..ness.. will make him stand out. People will notice. And be like “wha?? huh?? that indian foo’ tryin to be R&B. well, I never!”

Ok – one more David Cook radio interview showed up on the web this afternoon, so here it is for the headlines thread
http://davidcooksfan.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/1047-27aug09.mp3

hwc
Aug 27th, 2009 at 7:10 pm

No, not codetalk. He should go to India and sign a big recording contract. Cash money.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aYyKvp5oT8Q

Since we’re talking Bollywood music, Here’s a song I have on my Ipod:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uIjnHbB_y78

I love it.

I’d like to know why Anoop is a nerd.

Is it BECAUSE he’s Indian and educated?

He’s perceived that way. And… yes.

I’m not saying the reasons why people see him like that are right or even accurate. But racial stereotypes exist, and Anoop being educated feeds this particular stereotype.

Well guess what everyone. I think Anoop is cool and I would totally hang out with him, so there.

I reject this whole “Anoop should go to India” talk as ridiculous and even offensive. No one is telling Lil to go to Africa and capitalize on her heritage.

I posted the video clip earlier of Anoop singing with Amos Lee, which is just a pick-up jam. He looks so relaxed and confident, and his vocals are top notch. Check it out if you missed it earlier in the thread: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uD1EDabSqQ4

Anoop is American through and through

OK. Then, he needs to do what American singers do. Put together a cover band, rehearse a bunch of Usher, Ne Yo, and Bobby Brown songs, if that’s his thing, and get his ass out on the frat party circuit and build a following.

I’m just trying to keep it real here. I don’t see a big demand on black urban contemporary hit radio for an Indian American Usher wannabeee.

Adam interview. Nothing new. but maybe it will keep you from cutting an innocent soul.
http://www.examiner.com/x-11673-DC-Concerts-Examiner~y2009m8d27-Interview-with-Adam-Lambert-from-American-Idol-Season-8

Alison ur posts are made if WIN… in a perfect world.sadly it’s not like that.I do hope anoop will be successful though. Odds are- he won’t . Idk in 2 years if he’s the biggest thing evah PLEASE feel free to remind me;D

Anoop is American. He is of Indian descent, and yeah, he’s Indian, but he’s American.

and like. It’s not what he wants to do. Even if he spoke hindi and didn’t seem very americanized, who cares. He wants to do R&B.

Like, oh, he can’t be a successful R&B singer because he isn’t black, and doesn’t talk/act black the way R&B stars are perceived to

Uhhh, I hate to state the obvious, but pop R&B/hip hop is a black genre….

ThisIsLife: I agree that Kris does not have to prove anything. He won. But I get upset when people try to malign what Adam has going for him in an effort to defend Kris. If that is not what you were getting at I appologize. I don’t think that any of us fell for these guys for anything less then their music. I love a lot of things about Adam but if he couldn’t sing a note I wouldn’t be a fan. His voice has his fans captivated. The rest is just icing IMO. I am sure Kris fans feel something similar. Sometimes I feel its the Kris fans who feel pressure for him to prove something. Certainly not Kris himself.

Anoop and Kal Penn…now that’s a good analogy. Bright, articulate, seemingly reserved, well centered, personal priorities outweigh social pressure, driven, oh, and less I forget, of Indian heritage that they are proud of and rightly so.

I am not going to take offense at the Bollywood references because that only gives cred to those who equate Indian heritage only with a highly visible Indian medium. I wonder if we need to carry that thought process out and make sure Matt moves to Rap to celebrate his African heritage, and Allison embraces Salsa to celebrate hers. “nuff said.

Hwc just asking what makes u think anoop can do it in Bollywood – at all?!

Why do some people keep saying Anoop wants to be an Usher wannabe?!

And it’s so funny because I find Anoop’s intelligence to be extremely sexy. It’s what I loved about him from the beginning!

Uhhh, I hate to state the obvious, but pop R&B/hip hop is a black genre’ ¦.

Yeah and? He doesn’t have to be black though. Do you seriously think that only black people can do R&B/Hip-Hop?

Gigi3
Aug 27th, 2009 at 7:42 pm
I reject this whole ‘Anoop should go to India’  talk as ridiculous and even offensive. No one is telling Lil to go to Africa and capitalize on her heritage.

I posted the video clip earlier of Anoop singing with Amos Lee, which is just a pick-up jam. He looks so relaxed and confident, and his vocals are top notch. Check it out if you missed it earlier in the thread: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uD1EDabSqQ4

Anoop has a great voice. As voices go, he surpasses Kris by a mile imo. The problem with Anoop is that he doesn’t want to be Amos Lee, he wants to be Usher, and that’s just not going to happen.

Adam:

I was worried that I would be locked in to a bad deal based on what I’ve read in the past and the stigma with 19. But my experience has been very different than what I have read.

I hope so. I hope his deal is great.

Anoop has a great voice. As voices go, he surpasses Kris by a mile imo. The problem with Anoop is that he doesn’t want to be Amos Lee, he wants to be Usher, and that’s just not going to happen.

Anoop doesn’t want to be Usher! He’s said that in practically all of his interviews. He wants to do lyrical R&B.

Anoop has a great voice. As voices go, he surpasses Kris by a mile imo. The problem with Anoop is that he doesn’t want to be Amos Lee, he wants to be Usher, and that’s just not going to happen.

NO. he doesn’t

Everyone, please, I implore you to hear me. He does NOT WANT TO BE USHER. He’s said it a multitude of times. He doesn’t want to be Usher, or T-Pain. He wants to LYRICAL R&B that is more about the music than the production.

although, I do agree that his voice surpasses Kris by a mile.

These conversations are heading into to very touchy directions. – MJ is going to have a stroke. But I must add race/gender/sexuality does not determine the style of music one might sing.

When I opened this twitpik from Allison I was so offended for her.

http://twitpic.com/f6l3k

Obviously the fan was trying to be funny and cute…but for me it came across all wrong. A spanish burro, $ bills, and “Hot” cheetos. Now that is very stereotypical, and for me, pretty childish and cras.

Based on Allisons narrative with the picture I feel that she didn’t take it real well and that it wasn’t real cute and funny…just my take.

Come on people…this gift thing is so very very stupid….ask Allison what her favorite charity is and do the right thing. I would love if charity contributions could be the next big thing for American Idol gift giving.

These conversations are heading into to very touchy directions. – MJ is going to have a stroke. But I must add race/gender/sexuality does not determine the style of music one might sing.

We just have to keep this calm. I’m really just saying this to myself because sometimes I just snap at people.. but. as long it doesn’t become racially charged or turn into a fan war or we begin to insult one another, I think we’ll be fine.

Anyone else have any concerns about Anoop? :p now’s the time. Lakers, gigi and I will come to his defense.

THANK YOU GEMINI DOLLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I WAS ABOUT TO LOSE.MY.SHIT!

alison, you should work for Anoop in some capacity. I’ve never seen a more loyal fan, and someone who actually knows her music.

These conversations are heading into to very touchy directions. – MJ is going to have a stroke. But I must add race/gender/sexuality does not determine the style of music one might sing.

Of course not. But in cases where race/gender/sexuality are a real, significant factor in how successful an Idol might be in his chosen style of music, then they’re certainly relevant enough to discuss. Even if it’s not PC. I think we’re being civil about it too, which is the important thing.

He wants to LYRICAL R&B that is more about the music than the production.

He’s not going to be Ne-Yo either. R&B is just not going to happen for Anoop. If we think Cook is having a hard time getting play on Rock radio, then Unless it’s an R&B radio station in Germany, Anoop getting play on R&B radio would be close to a miracle. He just doesn’t have the cred.

alison, you should work for Anoop in some capacity. I’ve never seen a more loyal fan, and someone who actually knows her music.

wow thanks :razz_wp: (anyone know him or got his number???????)

OMG thank u Gemini dolly especially since it was a d.c. Interview.imagine Adam spent his day getting a facial half an hour away from where I was .brb dung.no seriously thank you.I still may have to cut someone if we don’t get an Adam interview from yesterday though-preferably video!

See, I think Anoop should just be Anoop. He doesn’t have to BE LIKE someone else, he just has to make good music. He has the Idol platform now which has given him a starting fanbase, so I’d say his chances of making a living in the music world are better than most.

By the way, he’s performing a concert at the NC State Fair in October, so he’ll obviously have to sing a lot more than 3 songs. I’m curious to see what new and/or original material he might do then.

I almost want to start calling Adam Lambert “The kid who got 2nd” because of hwc >_>.

I think Lady Gaga and Katy Perry both cant sing.There just good entertainers.Meaning they start crap and do crap and get
famous for it.Much like there music.

I think Katy Perry and Lady GaGa CAN sing, but I’m still tempted to agree with this. Adam’s so much better than them. I don’t really (almost hate) his singing, but it’s worth listening to to watch him perform. Only Adam could take a voice I don’t like and an overly flamboyant style I loathe and give it a star quality that makes it worth watching. Love Adam. Still not a big fan, but I’d definitely go to the concerts and try (fail) to make a Kradam me triple bromance.

(anyone know him or got his number???????)

Apparently a twelve year old on ontd_ai did get his number, and prank called his parents with it.

It might not have been his actual number though… hopefully

Apparently a twelve year old on ontd_ai did get his number, and prank called his parents with it.

Well, I did find his… nevermind, let’s not go there. If I say, people will think i’m insane.

Tess
Aug 27th, 2009 at 7:57 pm
When I opened this twitpik from Allison I was so offended for her.

http://twitpic.com/f6l3k

Obviously the fan was trying to be funny and cute’ ¦but for me it came across all wrong. A spanish burro, $ bills, and ‘Hot’  cheetos. Now that is very stereotypical, and for me, pretty childish and cras.

Based on Allisons narrative with the picture I feel that she didn’t take it real well and that it wasn’t real cute and funny’ ¦just my take.

Your take on it was wrong.He took the picture and allison posted on that picture.That is her favorite snack and she said in a interview throw cash.She tweeted the guy a few times http://twitter.com/Allison4Realzzz/status/3589493492
http://twitter.com/Allison4Realzzz/status/3589623108
The guy is getting tweeted about it left and right.She made his year.

See, I think Anoop should just be Anoop. He doesn’t have to BE LIKE someone else, he just has to make good music. He has the Idol platform now which has given him a starting fanbase, so I’d say his chances of making a living in the music world are better than most.

By the way, he’s performing a concert at the NC State Fair in October, so he’ll obviously have to sing a lot more than 3 songs. I’m curious to see what new and/or original material he might do then.

Yeah.. I’m not even going to that. Some fan.

but yeah, Anoop will just be Anoop, but it’s good that he gives off a long list of names of artists of who he’s going to emulate. So people aren’t left with a big question mark, like with Danny. Anoop is actually being very particular. He’s not going the danny “take what I can get” route. I think it’s a potentially a good move.

When I opened this twitpik from Allison I was so offended for her.

http://twitpic.com/f6l3k

Obviously the fan was trying to be funny and cute’ ¦but for me it came across all wrong. A spanish burro, $ bills, and ‘Hot’  cheetos. Now that is very stereotypical, and for me, pretty childish and cras.

Maybe the fan mistook Allison for Britney Spears? Everyone knows Brit is Our Lady of Cheetos.

I agree about the gifts but unlike last year I haven’t heard any controversies about OTT gifts this time around.

The first picture of Kris where I actually think he is hot and sexy instead of just cute.

http://gossipcandy.com/2009/08/how-about-some-sexy-hp/#comments

Stupid twelve year olds lol but no seriously dude that’s just wrong

Although r&b/hip-hop is primarily a genre for black recording artists, there ARE non-black artists who have made a dent in that area — Justin Timberlake, for one. There are a bunch of white rappers, some of them quite successful,. So I don’t know why Anoop can’t pursue r&b simply because he isn’t black. As long as he tries to avoid the edgier side of hip-hop./r&b — because Anoop isn’t what I’d call “edgy”, I could see him having some success if he can hook up with some strong songwriters and producers.

PS – I like Anoop’s voice, but IMO Kris’ voice is more interesting — especially when he goes into his lower register. Anoop’s voice may be pure technically pure than Kris’, but his tone tends to be too similar and too smooth at times.

SashaB Aug 27th, 2009 at 1:32 pm

Here is Britney’s cover of Statisfaction

This is the album version: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LnpILAV05xo

And live at the MTV VMA’s
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x7uuz3_britney-spears-satisfactionoidia-mt_music

That was the most frakking God awful dreck that I had the misfortune of clicking on. I froze like a deer in headlights and couldn’t click off the damn video fast enough.

Although r&b/hip-hop is primarily a genre for black recording artists, there ARE non-black artists who have made a dent in that area ‘” Justin Timberlake, for one. There are a bunch of white rappers, some of them quite successful,. So I don’t know why Anoop can’t pursue r&b simply because he isn’t black. As long as he tries to avoid the edgier side of hip-hop./r&b ‘” because Anoop isn’t what I’d call ‘edgy’ , I could see him having some success if he can hook up with some strong songwriters and producers.

I agree with you, girly. Listen to girly everyone.

steve
Aug 27th, 2009 at 8:07 pm

OK…I was wrong all the way around. The guy sent Alli the picture with the comment and Alli responded back. OK then its funny because the guy understood how stupid it would be to really gift that stuff.

Makes more sense and I’m happy…

But it does prove that what gets written here, even with picture proof, can be woefully misinterpreted with catastrophic results. :doh_tb:

Squirrely Aug 27th, 2009 at 8:09 pm

The first picture of Kris where I actually think he is hot and sexy instead of just cute.

http://gossipcandy.com/2009/08/how-about-some-sexy-hp/#comments

OMG… To me he has always been hot and sexy, but still thanks for that awesome link…now I need some time to recover…

The first picture of Kris where I actually think he is hot and sexy instead of just cute.

Nope….no hot and sexy..just kind of dorky. The guy is cute but he wouldn’t ever get me to…….uh, nevermind.

Hwc thanks for the LOL with that bollywood clip;D

Squirrely there’s a first time for everything… personally I don’t get it.. But…um…I…really…don’t ….think…I’m…supposed…too…LOL;p

jammasta
Aug 27th, 2009 at 8:04 pm
I almost want to start calling Adam Lambert ‘The kid who got 2nd’  because of hwc >_>.

I prefer the pushing-30-man who got second.

Except that I am just kidding.

Tess
Aug 27th, 2009 at 8:16 pm
steve
Aug 27th, 2009 at 8:07 pm

OK’ ¦I was wrong all the way around. The guy sent Alli the picture with the comment and Alli responded back. OK then its funny because the guy understood how stupid it would be to really gift that stuff.

Makes more sense and I’m happy’ ¦

But it does prove that what gets written here, even with picture proof, can be woefully misinterpreted with catastrophic results.

That was the main reason i said something back.The guy is loving life right now but if people think allison thought it was rude he would be in tweetville hell. :lol_tb: I would rather see the money spent on charity giving anything to needy kids is full of win.That guy did a great job of putting a smile on allison’s face and that makes that gift to her full of win.If allison eats the hot puffs and gives the money to (school kids hint hint alli)then adam is happy too. :clap_tb: :drunk_tb:

The first picture of Kris where I actually think he is hot and sexy instead of just cute.

http://gossipcandy.com/2009/08/how-about-some-sexy-hp/#comments

I had the same reaction to that picture this morning when I saw it. He definitely has some hotness going on here.

Thanks sunn I guess I’m really *not* the bollywood type.which is weird since I used to watch them so much..

Tess
Aug 27th, 2009 at 8:18 pm
The first pict