Idol Headlines for 08/12/09

New interviews with Adam, Allison, Anoop, Matt, Scott and Michael can be found here. Adam’s interview is really great, I haven’t listened to others.

I’m not at all a fan of Kris’ music, but I read MTVs review. Kris comes off very personable & nice. I think MTV though should get a slap down for that title. That is just not cool. Very misleading and I’m sure the conversations got both ways between Adam and Kris.

That LaTimes interview was interesting. What is futuristic glam/dance rock?

Okay, Fred Bronson is such a David Cook fan:

“Back to David Cook for a moment.”

Hee.

Is he taking Rushfield’s Idol Tracker beat?

Oops this posted twice I think LOL

That interview with Adam by Fred Bronson is sure brilliance. I learned so much about Adam from reading it. I hope he does similar interviews with Kris and maybe others.

ETA: And when did Adam say he *wasn’t* a rocker? He is just saying he wanted to mix it up. And he did.

Newsday put up a second version of its review and this one is a little longer (and different):

http://www.newsday.com/entertainment/music/backstage-pass-1.811987/american-idols-live-nassau-coliseum-8-11-09-1.1364508

“I love Wal-Mart.” lol Kris…awesome.

Don’t know if anyone is still going to look in the Hard Rock Cafe thread from yesterday but here’s Wire Image and Getty ppics of the pants dedication/autograph signing. Interesting that he’s got with him the bodyguard who was with him on his promo tour right after his win. I wonder if this is a permanent thing.

Wow the MTV Times Square studios closing? Sad. I had lots of celebrity encounters by there.

http://www.newsday.com/entertainment/music/backstage-pass-1.811987/american-idols-live-nassau-coliseum-8-11-09-1.1364508

You could see the potential of Kelly Clarkson and Carrie Underwood and David Cook in their ‘Idols Live’  sets on previous tours. (Kris Allen showed plenty of potential in his set as well.) But Lambert seems like he is already beyond that, even more powerful than he was on the show.

Allen is laid-back and sweet and certainly talented. He seems destined for a career of radio hits like Jason Mraz or Matt Nathanson or even Rob Thomas, which is not bad at all.

Absolutely not bad at all. As a Kris fan, I am happy with comparisons to young, still developing winners like Kelly, Carrie, and David Cook.

I want to see Danny’s.. they referenced it in Anoop’s interview and Matt’s.. about how Matt and Danny annoy Anoop… I find Anoop really cute when he’s complaining.

From SELF speaks out about Kelly Clarkson photo retouching:

Did we alter her appearance? Only to make her look her personal best. Did we publish an act of fiction? No. Not unless you think all photos are that. But in the sense that Kelly is the picture of confidence, and she truly is, then I think this photo is the truest we have ever put out there on the newsstand.

This is a joke, right? Please tell me it’s a joke.

I’m surprised they didn’t include David Cook in that Top 10 List.

This is a joke, right? Please tell me it’s a joke.

Will… I’m thinking that whoever wrote that SELF quote has a future in politics. Blah, blah, blah, blah, fix social security, blah, blah, blah end the war in Iraq, blah, blah, blah health care reform, blah, blah, blah, congressional ethics, blah, blah, blah.

New interviews with Adam, Allison, Anoop, Matt, Scott and Michael can be found here. Adam’s interview is really great, I haven’t listened to others.

Adam’s interview is quite good. It kept a smile on my face. I haven’t listen to the others. As the interviewer pointed out at the end and Adam agreed, Adam really like to talk. His interview is the longest. I like chatty Adam. :laugh_tb:

Not much I didn’t know in this last part of the LA Times interview. The only new fact is that he pretented to do Cryin during the semifinals (I think Neil wrote that he was one advocating for Satisfaction).

Also this is pretty interesting:

I needed to do something that would establish me as a rocker, because I looked at my group and I knew that there were a lot of poppier R&B and country [singers], and I wondered, ‘How do I make myself different and stand out?’  There was a girl rocker and I thought I’ll be the boy rocker.

So he played the role of a rocker during the competition just to stand out?

‘I love Wal-Mart.’  lol Kris’ ¦awesome.

I don’t think there’s anything awesome about loving Wal-Mart…

That is just not cool.

Getting hits comes first in their minds.

Valentin432: So he played the role of a rocker during the competition just to stand out?

As a rock fan, I thought that was rather obvious. I don’t think any hard core rock fan ever took him seriously as ‘the rocker’, although he does do a mean Whole Lotta Love.

isitoveryet
Aug 12th, 2009 at 10:36 am
I’m not at all a fan of Kris’ music, but I read MTVs review. Kris comes off very personable & nice. I think MTV though should get a slap down for that title. That is just not cool. Very misleading and I’m sure the conversations got both ways between Adam and Kris.

I agree about the headline…it made it sound as if Adam is writing Kris’s songs for him, rather than helping each other out with constructive criticism.

Yeah, that’s why a lot of people called Adam a poser.

I think MTV though should get a slap down for that title. That is just not cool. Very misleading and I’m sure the conversations got both ways between Adam and Kris.

I agree, that title doesn’t make any sense because the article says that they consult each other.

I’m surprised they didn’t include David Cook in that Top 10 List.

Me too. Especially more so since it says David Cook’s album out sells David Archuleta’s and puts Archie on #10. It’s also odd to include Adam in the list although it explains that’s based on the high expectation on him.

You have to take the paper doing that top 10 list in to consideration. It is a San Francisco paper, which is not going to choose the same top ten, as St. Louis might choose.

Adam is a POSER? He said he wanted to stand out, and experiment, and he did. He was a rocker (WLL, BTBW, SR), but also showed other sides of himself (ToMT, MW, IICHY, etc.). And this seemed to work pretty well for him, did it not?

I think MTV though should get a slap down for that title. That is just not cool. Very misleading and I’m sure the conversations got both ways between Adam and Kris.

I agree with this.
Seems that some journalists always try to twist reality to belittle Kris.

I think MTV though should get a slap down for that title. That is just not cool. Very misleading and I’m sure the conversations got both ways between Adam and Kris.

I agree. Not cool Jim.

Hehehehehe…I read the Top 10 list…..I await the usual responses

3.2.1……………

That MTV article is bad journalism 101. It takes Kris’s interview with Cantiello and slants it in a negative direction to portray him badly. Funny, I listened to all the clips and did not come away with the impression that Kris was struggling or running to Adam for help.

The L.A. Times interview with Adam was interesting. Even though I did not care for the performance, I think it was a good thing that “Cryin’” got pulled from him at the last minute. The Rolling Stones performance helped him stand out immediately.

The longer Newsday article certainly has a different tone than the quick recap they posted last night.

James Montgomery wrote the article. Cantiello was listed in the byline as well because all the quotes were taken from his interview.

You have to take the paper doing that top 10 list in to consideration. It is a San Francisco paper, which is not going to choose the same top ten, as St. Louis might choose

It’s an Oakland paper, which is near San Francisco, but totally different. Think football. Oakland Raiders and San Fransico 49ers.

I pretty much agree with the list as Archie does have alot of potential that he has yet to tap in to. I don’t know about Cook yet. I wasn’t a huge fan of his first album although I voted for him. I might have swapped out Clay for Cook as I see Cook making more popular music. But Clay just got a new record deal…so we will see. I also agree Adam’s first album will probably sell well….but it is too soon to say what his long term career will be.

leome
Aug 12th, 2009 at 10:51 am
‘I love Wal-Mart.’  lol Kris’ ¦awesome.

I don’t think there’s anything awesome about loving Wal-Mart’ ¦

That is just not cool.

Getting hits comes first in their minds.

Well, Wal Mart is based in Kris’s home state it, and… it would be silly for him to burn bridges with the world’s largest retailer at this point in time. (besides, a lot of what Kris says is tinged with more than a little sarcasm)

Seems that some journalists always try to twist reality to belittle Kris.

I don’t think Jim was trying to belittle Kris. He obviously is a fan of his. It’s more about using Adam’s name to generate webpage hits. Another reason that I don’t like the title.

think MTV though should get a slap down for that title. That is just not cool. Very misleading and I’m sure the conversations got both ways between Adam and Kris.

I agree. Not cool Jim.

Reporters usually never write their own headlines. Copy editors do. But that is print media I’m talking about. Not sure if the same applies to a blog….

Behind The Scenes at GMA:

David Cook

Kris Allen

“I needed to do something that would establish me as a rocker, because I looked at my group and I knew that there were a lot of poppier R&B and country [singers], and I wondered, ‘How do I make myself different and stand out?’  There was a girl rocker and I thought I’ll be the boy rocker.”

So he played the role of a rocker during the competition just to stand out?

That is why I get annoyed when Adam is called a “rocker”.

Well, at least Adam admits that he was a poser of sorts although the Cher song was a bit of a giveaway. It would have been interesting to see which permutation of Adam would have gone up against Daughtry, Bo or Cook. We might have seen less of “boy rocker” Adam.

I’m surprised they didn’t include David Cook in that Top 10 List.

Considering the criteria used, it’s not that surprising. David has no Top 40 hit, no award nominations, no movie roles, no high-profile tour with a bigger act, no 4 million units sold, etc. He’s probably practically invisible these days unless you’re paying attention to HAC charts. The writer would probably rank him higher than Taylor and Ruben at least, lol. (Although RCA, please feel free to release a new single any time now). Or maybe David should consider Broadway….

Love Adam to death, but he shouldn’t be on that Bay Area list yet. I think David Cook has more than shown his potential both in his performances and sales and he should have been on the list.

Don’t think Adam was a “poser” on the show at all. Adam has said in numerous interviews that the rock music of the 60′s, 70′s and 80′s was integral in his and his family’s life and that growing up his parents (especially his father) exposed him to that kind of music and he loved it. He also has said that he knew that those songs were powerful and memorable and that and the fact that he loved them helped influence him to perform them on the show. Rock is not the only genre Adam tackled on the show, in fact, it was the diversity of his performances that kept me and apparently a lot of viewers and television reviewers interested to see what he would tackle next. I think that Adam has a wide-varied knowledge of music genres and can pretty much perform any of them (well, except tradition country heehee). I like the ability to surprise and change it up, some people like the same type of performance time after time, I get bored with that. Different strokes is all.

Hehehehehe’ ¦I read the Top 10 list’ ¦..I await the usual responses

3.2.1′ ¦’ ¦’ ¦’ ¦’ ¦

It’s not worth angsting over Top 10 lists — they are opinions, and everyone’s entitled to one. Being on that list or not won’t have anything to do with their careers, and it certainly won’t change my own opinion . You get *really* worn out trying to respond to and getting upset with every single bit of press that comes out about your Idol. I just read ‘em, take what I will away from it, and off I go

Hope this is the right place to post this MWJC Long Island Video Interview
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qP0p4lkBRj4

Well, Wal Mart is based in Kris’s home state it, and’ ¦ it would be silly for him to burn bridges with the world’s largest retailer at this point in time.

LOL I was not saying he had to diss him, I was just wondering why it’s awesome he loves it.

I pretty much agree with the list as Archie does have alot of potential that he has yet to tap in to.

Considering Cook has had 3 singles doing something relevant, and Archie has had only one and then nothing, I think it speaks better for Cook’s long run… but what can we know about the long run? Seems like an odd way to rank them, considering there’s nothing objective about it. But to each their own, after all MTV does have a different take on it. All a matter of opinion.

I don’t think there’s anything awesome about loving Wal-Mart’ ¦

Ummm…okay, I’ll post the entire quote:

Allen has already worked with Fray guitarist Joe King, hip-hop producer Salaam Remi and famed songwriter Claude Kelly on the album, which is due in the fall. And while he’s still not sure of just how many of those collaborations will actually end up on the record, he’s already made one track-list decision: “No Boundaries” ‘” the clunky, Kara DioGuardi-penned “Idol” victory single he’s already stopped performing live ‘” won’t be on the album. Probably.

“I doubt it’ll end up on there,” Allen said. “But who knows? Maybe as a Wal-Mart bonus track or something. I love Wal-Mart.”

I said awesome because I enjoy snarky Kris. It was a nice save.

ETA: Adam is not a poser. (insert huge eyeroll.) Adam can sing rock music, he knows rock music, he loves rock music, his voice is infinitely suited for rock music. Yes, he could have easily been the ballad guy if he wanted to be on the show, because he’s just that talented, but he chose something that suited him and the show at the same time. Judging by where he is going on his album–basing it in rock–rock is part of who Adam is and wants to be. Is this going to devolve quickly into Adam bashing post? I can foresee it.

Glad to know MTV actually considers David Cook a success, since they recently called him a middling Idol success story who was only attempting to be a real rocker by putting on a grueling tour. And that’s the last of what they’ve said about him (He didn’t deserve to get Rob Cavallo as a producer, he was a representation of everything that was wrong with America, and they posted a long dissertation right after his win on just how and why he stole the crown away from the favorite).

They’ve said good stuff, too, particularly around last year’s finale and after his brother’s death, so maybe they’ve changed their minds.

Right now Adam has no real product of his own that’s selling anything, so who’s to say that Kris needs him or that songwriting input from Adam is even a good idea? Maybe the public won’t react well to his own stuff. Maybe it’s dreadful. There’s no real-world proof to suggest otherwise right now.

Oh, and Clay Aiken may have sold lots of records once upon a time, but I seriously doubt his new record is going to sell more than David Cook’s latest album. Clay’s had no presence on the charts for many years and is mostly famous for his tabloid presence. Cook continues to get radio play and sell records, even if he’s not at the top of the charts, and he does still get mainstream media exposure. That is far from putting him in Ruben and Taylor territory (although in real-world terms Clay is not really any better off than they are right now).

But every publication has their favorites, and sometimes they have no relationship to reality.

I see Adam more as a chameleon than a “poser.”

I found that whole top 10 list to be pretty funny. How anyone in predicting present and future sales could not have Daughtry in the top 3 is beyond me. Jordin’s, Kellie’s, and Clay’s current record sales aren’t nearly as strong as their older stuff (although I wouldn’t be surprised if Kellie managed to scrape out another gold record when all is said and done), and Fantasia’s last record did fine, but not great given that it was put out in a stronger era.

Here is the list of Idol alumni sales, according to wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Top-selling_American_Idol_alumni#cite_note-Idol_Chatter_08-06-2009-3

I’m surprised they didn’t include David Cook in that Top 10 List.

I think that has to be an editorial snafu. It makes no sense to say that Cook has outsold Archie and then not include Cook on the list. It has to be a mistake.

That updated Newsday review of last night’s show is interesting. It puts a more positive spin on Kris than the original review did and it cuts out all the praise the original review had for Allison.

Meanwhile, that MTV News headline on the Kris article needs to be changed because it’s very misleading. It suggests Adam is writing Kris’ stuff, which is far from the truth. Bouncing ideas off ideas off each other is something they have done pretty much from the beginning of the show, and it makes sense they have continued to do that. But that’s not even close to Adam writing Kris’ stuff for him. Lame.

That is why I get annoyed when Adam is called a ‘rocker’ .

I think all of the contestants try to stand out. Adam certainly can sing rock with the best of them. Not sure what being a rocker means? His Citizen Vein stuff was rock. Adam doesn’t label himself but he seems to understand that shows like AI use shorthand when it comes to contestants’ bios. So he might as well pick the bio that works the best for him. I’m sure Danny was somewhat ok with the “grieving widow” bio. Matt is the one who would probably like a do-over on his JT Jr. casting.

Alot of people called Cook a poser, and probably Daughtry as well because real “rock” people wouldn’t go on AI. We’ve had the “who is a rockstar” debate a gazillion times and it goes nowhere. The stuff on the show doesn’t bother me because people do what they have to do to get in the biz. I mean, come on, Kelly Clarkston used to do her hair and makeup when she was on AI. Now she sort of gives a toss…and I like her now, just the way she is.

I don’t think Jim was trying to belittle Kris. He obviously is a fan of his. It’s more about using Adam’s name to generate webpage hits. Another reason that I don’t like the title.

Maybe not and as someone suggested maybe the title as been chosen by someone else…. don’t know.. anyway in the least it’s not making Kris looks good

It makes no sense to say that Cook has outsold Archie and then not include Cook on the list.

I read it that they feel that although Cook has outsold Archie, Archie has more potential for the future. Which is impossible to say, of course, but again it’s an opinion. Following Cookie I feel like he stepped back a little bit like “pre-Idol with new songs and more buzz” and is grinding it out like an up and coming “regular” artist would. He’s getting his name and face out there slowly, and whether it will work or not has a whole lot to do with upcoming single(s) and what his next album looks like. Archie, too, there’s just no way to know. He’s still out there doing his thing, but until we get a new album… conjecture. And Adam is total conjecture because we haven’t even had a *single* from him yet.

Daughtry, Kelly & Carrie are no-brainers. JHud has an Oscar, and I swear Miss Pickler is everywhere. THAT girl knows how to get herself out there!

LaToya Jackson, Michael’s sister, is also now in discussions to become a part of ‘Dancing.’ 

‘She’s a big fan of the show, and being from a musical family, it would be a good fit,’  her rep told Us Weekly.

I just knew latoya would pop up for a reality tv show soon, since their family has been in a bit of the limelight due to MJ;s tragic passing.

A cruel thing to say I guess,, but the cynic in me kept on saying…Wait for it….Latoya’s gonna be back in something soon….and Voila!

I agree Adam should not be on that list yet.

Considering the criteria used, it’s not that surprising. David has no Top 40 hit, no award nominations, no movie roles, no high-profile tour with a bigger act, no 4 million units sold, etc. He’s probably practically invisible these days unless you’re paying attention to HAC charts. The writer would probably rank him higher than Taylor and Ruben at least, lol. (Although RCA, please feel free to release a new single any time now). Or maybe David should consider Broadway’ ¦.

Wow, I didn’t realize David Cook was such an utter failure. Silly me. A pop hit is the only definition of success. Shameful how David can’t fit in a movie role into his schedule while he’s doing over 100 headlining shows in 6 months. He’s so invisible, I’ve seen him on my TV several times in the last month and he’s all over the radio where I live.

I said awesome because I enjoy snarky Kris. It was a nice save.

Ah, ok. Sorry, lol. I’ve been reading some comments and some people are not taking it as snark and saying it’s great… so, was wondering.

Yes Adam is a Rocker!!!!! He also is a pop artist, R&B singer, blues singer, and really any genre of singing he wants to be. Adam is a little of all these things. That is what he says his album will reflect. Whether it will work or not remains to be seen but that does not take away that he is a Rocker. Rock is such a broad term and so many artist who sound nothing alike fall under that category. I think we as a society get too caught up in pigeonholing our artist. Well before American Idol Adam was in a rock group Citizen Vein and wrote a few Rock songs most notably “Crawl Threw Fire”. A really good Rock song if I ever heard one. Let’s just say Adam is a Rocker in the genre vein of “Experimental rock or avant-garde rock” Which actually a legitimate rock category describe as: a type of music based on rock which experiments with the basic elements of the genre, and/or which pushes the boundaries of common composition and performance technique.Performers may also attempt to individualize their music with unconventional time signatures, instrumental tunings, compositional styles, lyrical techniques, elements of other musical genres, singing styles, instrumental effects or custom-made experimental musical instruments. Sounds like Adam to me.

Oh man, I have to stop this. I already stopped reading reviews of the concerts because some things that are said just make me mad! (but I do understand that everyone has their own opinion….but I also know myself… :rolleyes_wp:) I thought I could also stop reading the news thread….wrong! When I saw the MTV’s headline I couldn’t stop myself. I hate reporters that try to twist things so that more person read it….and some people, who maybe don’t pay a lot of attention, will say afterwards (if Kris album is a success) that it was Adam helping him. (I’m saying this because I read some Adam fans saying that Kris did so well in the competition because Adam helped him with the songs) I don’t understand why so many people want to put Kris down…I know the response Adam is getting on the concerts is much louder, but from what I gathered Kris gets the second loudest response and I don’t think that’s bad! But they try so hard to put Kris under Adam’s shadow…

PS: I don’t know if I made any sense…I just had to get this off my chest! But as english is not my mother tongue it may be a little (or a lot :biggrin_wp:) confusing.

Gotta hand it to those lefties!

Thursday is International Left-Handers’ Day, and according to lefthandersday.com, it’s an event celebrated annually worldwide.

There’s even a club ‘“ The Left-Handers Club, which once a year votes for a ‘left-hander of the year.’  Last year’s winner was President Barack Obama, who will hold the title until Thursday. Obama was pitted against four other nominees, including Angelina Jolie, Paul McCartney, David Archuleta of ‘American Idol’  fame, and Spanish tennis great Rafael Nadal.

source: Tahlequah Daily Press

Wow! Archie went up against the president?! That’s so cool!

LisaE
Aug 12th, 2009 at 11:15 am
I don’t think there’s anything awesome about loving Wal-Mart’ ¦

‘I doubt it’ll end up on there,’  Allen said. ‘But who knows? Maybe as a Wal-Mart bonus track or something. I love Wal-Mart.’ 

I said awesome because I enjoy snarky Kris. It was a nice save.

I took that as a little helping of Kris-snark as well.(glad I wasn’t alone in that)

and Spanish tennis great Rafael Nadal.

AFAIK he’s not left handed – he just trained himself to play tennis with his left hand.

I see Adam more as a chameleon than a ‘poser.’ 

I agree. As Adam says many time, he doesn’t want to be put in a certain genre or box.

AI is just an opportunity for him to gain exposure, it’s not where he builds his music. If AI judge and audience need to categorize the contestants, then he just play with the rules. He took the competition strategically and it turned out not bad.

If someone is interested in what influence Adam’s music, the first 3 parts of the LA times interviews will shed more lights on that than the last one.

Yeah, I think leaving Cookie off that top ten list is pretty ridiculous too. Their reasoning made no sense to me. But as someone said previously, it’s just one writer’s opinion, and it’s just my opinion that I think Cook will prove him wrong.

I’ve only had time this morning to read the MTV article, since I have been hunting for risalea regarding this same interview with Jim & Kris that was posted yesterday – I hope she will read my post I left for her!

The article from this morning made me love Kris even more because it solidified the fact that he knows who he his and is not afraid to express it! He tells the truth about his lack of experience, etc. etc. My own personal belief is that it takes pure raw GUTS to admit truth, a trait I find lacking in most people I have known. In my book BB Kris has him some big kahunas (sp?)!!!!!!!!

edit: don’t question the motives of posters. if you haven’t yet, please read my guidelines

Tata for now!

The first line of that Top 10 List article says, “According to voters, Chris Daughtry was only the fourth biggest talent to compete in the fifth season of “American Idol.” This suggests that the ranking is based on an online voting poll. That would explain it. LOL.

Adam is shooting his album cover tomorrow, according to this tweet from Jasen Kaplan (who is a celebrity makeup artist, according to his twitter bio)

#@insomniac19 we are shooting adam’s album cover tomorrow. #11 minutes ago from web in reply to insomniac19

I don’t think there’s anything awesome about loving Wal-Mart’ ¦

I agree.

In fact I always thought, based on his missionary work, that Walmart would be the antithesis of everything Kris stood for. But perhaps his missionary objective was mainly religious rather than humanitarian. If that’s so, then my opinion of Kris would change drastically.

I can’t endorse anyone who approves of Walmart’s manufacturing codes of practice.

The MTV top 10 list a few months back was a lot worse.It ranked Fantasia as #1, although it did include some of my favs like Cook and Lambert, so I was happy(The same premise was given there also, as per his inclusion was mere projection since he hasnt done anything yet, post-idol)

I doubt very much Jim Cantiello wrote the headline for today’s story. I think what’s inside the article is way more important than the headline. I’m not going to fret about it.

The first line of that Top 10 List article says, ‘According to voters, Chris Daughtry was only the fourth biggest talent to compete in the fifth season of ‘American Idol.’  This suggests that the ranking is based on an online voting poll. That would explain it.

I think they’re talking about AI voters, AI audience put Daughtry in #4 his year, the 5th season.
If it was online voting Archie would probably be #1 and Cook would be there. lol

That MTV article title is for the hits, maybe the David Cook and Taylor references are there for the same reason…

After reading the thread, ‘poser’ to me obviously means “incredibly VERSATILE performer.” YMMV.

The MTV headline is ridiculous. Kris was expressing that he has such a nice, collaborative friendship with Adam and it reads as though he needs Adam to write his songs. I’m sure both guys just shake their heads at this stuff.

That updated Newsday review of last night’s show is interesting. It puts a more positive spin on Kris than the original review did and it cuts out all the praise the original review had for Allison.

The gist of the review is the same. Adam is ready for stardom now and Kris shows potential. The reviewer just expands on those themes.

Considering Cook has had 3 singles doing something relevant, and Archie has had only one and then nothing, I think it speaks better for Cook’s long run’ ¦ but what can we know about the long run?

Cook gives me the impression of being a very hard working, talented, music-loving person. If he can figure out how to produce better albums he will do great in the future. Listened through his first album the yday since everyone was talking about it and it’s full of really weird stuff. Why do all the singing phrases start exactly in the beginning of the beat? It’s a super stiff production, totally non-organic. I don’t think the melodies are strong either.

Adam is shooting his album cover tomorrow, according to this tweet from Jasen Kaplan (who is a celebrity makeup artist, according to his twitter bio)

#@insomniac19 we are shooting adam’s album cover tomorrow. #11 minutes ago from web in reply to insomniac19

Awesome!!!!!!

This thread today is so made of win!!!!

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In fact I always thought, based on his missionary work, that Walmart would be the antithesis of everything Kris stood for. But perhaps his missionary objective was mainly religious rather than humanitarian. If that’s so, then my opinion of Kris would change drastically.

I can’t endorse anyone who approves of Walmart’s manufacturing codes of practice.

It was a throwaway line from Kris. Who knows what he meant. But I do know that it’s not going to be used as a pretense for a pages long fanwar, so you all can cut that out right now.

I really wish the media would stop with the Taylor Hicks bashing. He isn’t a failure. Maybe they think so because he hasn’t had the huge CD sales. However,he has had a very successful run as Teen Angel, not to mention his live concerts have done very well. I’m beginning to think he just isn’t a recording artist. That doesn’t mean he isn’t good, because he is – it just doesn’t translate well in record sales.

The music business is rough right now as it is in every aspect of our economy.

And, it seems they forget Bo Bice, the original rocker from AI. He hasn’t had that great of success in CD sales either, but, he is a true talent and is still booked solid.
Success isn’t always measured in CD sales numbers. If one is making a living and working steadily, happy with their life, then I call that a success.

Before I go’ ¦.Wal Mart is cheaper on so many name brand products – why anyone having a problem with its label is beyond my comprehension – another truism coming from Kris.

I think the problem many have to Walmart, myself included, relate more labor/environmental/social issues rather than a stigma attached to being cheap. And that’s as far as I’m taking that. But I just took it as an attempt to save what a clear dissing of NoBo. Which is something I agree with wholeheartedly, so rock on Kris and your NoBo dissing ways.

How bout that top 10 list? Lol. Where do I even start? How bout taking Fantasia off there? She has done nothing of merit lately. Clay is old news.I will even go as far as to say JHud had beginners luck with that Dreamgirls role- it was MADE for her. Pickler is actually doing good in her genre so it suprises me to say she belongs there. I don’t even like Cooks music but even I think he should be on there, but I disagree at the expense of Archie. Cook may have outsold Archie, but Archie has the Disney buzz behind him, and is co headlining I believe a major tour. He has also done alot of guest spots on Disney shows. Don’t underestimate the mouse.

Adam rightfully deserves to be there. I don’t know if people on this board are in denial, or if they just do not read Adam articles, which I could totally understand because I don’t really read about any of the others. The guy is a phenomenon RIGHT NOW whether you love him or hate him, his buzz is off the charts on what his potential will be.

Now I do NOT want to come off as a delusional Adam fan so let me say:

Having said that, his vision of what he wants to do scares the hell out of me and I think any Adam fan can truly admit this has the potential to be the biggest letdown in Idol history. But the MAJORITY of the media predict he will be huge.

So he played the role of a rocker during the competition just to stand out?

His exact words were “establish me as a rocker.” He did not say pretend or play. All the Idols have the job of establishing themselves into the genre they want to be so the judges and audience know what they are getting. Not establishing yourself to the judges and audience is one of the things that usually gets people eliminated and the comments like, “I don’t know who you are,” by the judges.

Poor Michael was one of the ones with this problem. The judges saw him as country and he saw himself as R&B. Lil and Anoop also struggled with this.

JasenKaplan: is cleaning his kit up for the Adam Lambert cover shoot tomorrow. I look forward to it despite the long day it will be.17 minutes ago from web

Hmmm, I wonder if this is why he hasn’t gotten his hair cut lately. It’ll be interesting to see if they give him a new cut for the photo shoot. Yes, I’m shallow. Sue me.

Yeah, that’s why a lot of people called Adam a poser.

Yeah, and I still roll my eyes at that poser accusation. Adam never said he was a rocker. He’s said he’s aspired to be a rock star. Two totally different things. Rock star is much more generic and encompasses a much wider range musically. He made it very clear on idol with every performance that it was just that, a performance. He never attempted to hide when he broke out of his performance face into his everyday face. He wasn’t attempting to be the embodiment of a pure rocker. A rocker would have turned up their nose at quite a lot of his song choices and all of his outfits. Adam was being Adam through the whole show, a guy that loves the theatrics AND the music. And part of that is rocking it out. And given that part of his personality is the ability to take on other personas, it makes total sense to determine which will get you further on idol (which is what they all wanted to do). Adam was just lucky that being true to himself also means morphing himself to display different sides of his personality for a performance. It’s what makes him so incredibly versatile.

ozarka
Aug 12th, 2009 at 11:33 am
The first line of that Top 10 List article says, ‘According to voters, Chris Daughtry was only the fourth biggest talent to compete in the fifth season of ‘American Idol.’  This suggests that the ranking is based on an online voting poll. That would explain it. LOL.

I think that refers to Daughtry’s AI run. The writer of the article seems to have compiled this list based on his personal methods.

The first line of that Top 10 List article says, ‘According to voters, Chris Daughtry was only the fourth biggest talent to compete in the fifth season of ‘American Idol.’  This suggests that the ranking is based on an online voting poll. That would explain it.

They are talking about the Idol viewing audience during the show. He was 4th place

It’s not worth angsting over Top 10 lists ‘” they are opinions, and everyone’s entitled to one. Being on that list or not won’t have anything to do with their careers, and it certainly won’t change my own opinion . You get *really* worn out trying to respond to and getting upset with every single bit of press that comes out about your Idol. I just read ‘em, take what I will away from it, and off I go

Exactly, and I can’t angst over the opinion of some local newspaper. It’s not like this was some prestigious publication.

Love those GMA vlogs from DC & Kris. So cute how Kris refers to DC as “the” American Idol.

The first line of that Top 10 List article says, ‘According to voters, Chris Daughtry was only the fourth biggest talent to compete in the fifth season of ‘American Idol.’  This suggests that the ranking is based on an online voting poll. That would explain it. LOL.

No, I think they just mean he came in 4th his season.

Every time I see articles like the Top 10 list, I feel like the writer probably thinks they are doing an interesting assessment, but in reality it only serves to give hardcore Idol fans something new to argue about. LOL. So this week, the more intense Archies (chat room crew? I dunno.) gets to gloat. Next week, someone will diss Archie and say something nice about Cook, and the militant Cookies (DCU people I guess?) will get their turn to crow. It actually is kinda fun to watch the fireworks when you get used to it.

‘I doubt it’ll end up on there,’  Allen said. ‘But who knows? Maybe as a Wal-Mart bonus track or something. I love Wal-Mart.’ 

Kris Allen is the king of under-the-radar snark. Gotta love that!

Ms. Abdul, who in recent months has grown increasingly certain that greater opportunities lie elsewhere.

That NYT article on Paula’s departure is interesting. I guess she’ll make money with appearances and such for a while. Then she’ll get another train wreck reality show? But I don’t see her outlasting AI. I think the hype jon her will die down in about a year’s time. We’ll see.

mj Aug 12th, 2009 at 11:37 am

I doubt very much Jim Cantiello wrote the headline for today’s story. I think what’s inside the article is way more important than the headline. I’m not going to fret about it.

I agree mj, I was just logging in to say I didn’t think Jim wrote the headline. Hopefully people will read the article because it has Adam’s name on it, but then see it’s a two-way street.

ETA: Which article is the top ten list in? Nrm, must be the Daughtry article.

This is a joke, right? Please tell me it’s a joke.

This is SELF trying to cover their ass, not realizing that the drappery is transparent. They would have been much better off, just saying they made a mistake and that there were communication issues between the editorial team and the artistic team….although that would mean the editor was at fault as he/she would have to sign off on the cover….which would put the blame right where it should be.

That top 10 list is just one person subjective view. It is not what I think but it is what he thinks. I think the persons premise is not just based purely on record sales or the music industry. I think he took into consideration success in other forms of entertainment. Bottom line is whether I agree or not he definitely got a dialog going on the topic, so ultimately he did what he set out to do. Imagine if we all agreed with him, we would not be talking about it for too long. :smile1_tb:

So cute how Kris refers to DC as ‘the’  American Idol.

Hehe, and DC’s facial expression when they show him on camera cracks me up too

I think they’re talking about AI voters, AI audience put Daughtry in #4 his year, the 5th season.
If it was online voting Archie would probably be #1 and Cook would be there. lol

I think that refers to Daughtry’s AI run. The writer of the article seems to have compiled this list based on his personal methods.

According to FOD, it’s from a voter poll, but I don’t know what their source is for that information. The writer would then have had to artificially force his writing to fit the poll.

I think Fantasia is really underrated in the idol fandom. I liked what MTV said about her when they did their top 10. She is amazing. And it’s a shame people can only think sales, and numbers instead of talent.

IMO Fantasia, gets way too much flack for no reason. She’s performed better than in sales than David Cook and has been nominated for Grammy Awards, yet people consider Cook a success and Fantasia a failure? Come on now.

Fantasia is recently recovering from throat surgery right? Probably the reason why she’s been relatively quiet lately.

How bout that top 10 list? Lol. Where do I even start? How bout taking Fantasia off there? She has done nothing of merit lately. Clay is old news.I will even go as far as to say JHud had beginners luck with that Dreamgirls role- it was MADE for her. Pickler is actually doing good in her genre so it suprises me to say she belongs there. I don’t even like Cooks music but even I think he should be on there, but I disagree at the expense of Archie. Cook may have outsold Archie, but Archie has the Disney buzz behind him, and is co headlining I believe a major tour. He has also done alot of guest spots on Disney shows. Don’t underestimate the mouse.

There’ve been only 8 seasons of Idol, and most have fallen by the wayside and very few have had success post-Idol………..so if you take Fantasia,CLay,Jhudson,Pickler out of there, then who would make the list to get your 10 spots? LOL!

I think apart from the exclusion of Cook, its a pretty good list.

Having said that, his vision of what he wants to do scares the hell out of me and I think any Adam fan can truly admit this has the potential to be the biggest letdown in Idol history. But the MAJORITY of the media predict he will be huge.

As an avid Adam fan, I agree with you. I do think the potential for disaster with Adam is significant, though logically, based on what I’m seeing and hearing, the potential for enormous success seems much larger.
His album scares me not because of any particular direction that he may take musically, but because it’s a post-Idol album. And if history teaches us anything, it’s that freshman post-Idol releases are universally crappy.

Does he belong on that list? Considering that he hasn’t done anything yet, one could make an argument that he does not.

I think that Top 10 list is pretty solid, too. Fantasia has done quite a bit with The Color Purple and she was up here in DC recently and had very good press. Of course I’m biased, I think she’s fantastic . But it’s a shame that lack of Top 40 hit is perceived as “failure” for the Idols — many of these kids are still in the business, be it Fantasia doing Color Purple, Taylor in Grease, etc., etc. Hey, Constantine got a Tony nod, right? So he’s doing something too, whether I like him or not .

That updated Newsday review of last night’s show is interesting. It puts a more positive spin on Kris than the original review did and it cuts out all the praise the original review had for Allison.

FWIW, it’s not an “updated” version (the review is still there) but it’s a different approach of the review written by the same journalist that he posted in his blog.

I know that people look at Adam as a chameleon who can do all sorts of things but as he says in the article, he established himself as a rocker on the show, he sang a lot of classic rock tunes and used arrangements that he borrowed from rock artists (the bridge in BoW, Dilana version of ROF and Muse’s version of Feeling Good).

This is pretty much what both Daughtry and Cook did on the show, they also sang softer tunes as Adam did with TOMT, MW and IICHY. THe difference is that altough the three of them were the established male rockers during their respective seasons, Adam is the only one who is going to go a completely different way musically post-idol. It will be interesting to see how the audience will react.

It’s nice to see how these top 2 have been looking after each other’s career. In this competitive world, only a few would do that to his rival. Now I can see Adam’s sincerity when he said he’s very happy for Kris winning the title. He’s doing a good job being the big brother.

Does he belong on that list? Considering that he hasn’t done anything yet, one could make an argument that he does not.

Yeah, true. He has potential for sure, but its probably too soon for him to be included on something like this. Other than that, I think everyone belongs there except maybe, maybe Clay. Fanny definitely. Archie too. Add Cook and it’s pretty solid.

Having said that, his vision of what he wants to do scares the hell out of me and I think any Adam fan can truly admit this has the potential to be the biggest letdown in Idol history.

I worry about him, too. The expectations are ridiculous, considering he’ll be putting out a rushed AI album just like every other winner. How much they let him out of the box, and how that translates, is to be seen I guess.

I did remark to my husband during Idol that he SHOULD be a success unless he’s mismanaged. Guess time will tell — it’s just worrisome that the expectations for him are so ridiculously high.

JasenKaplan: is cleaning his kit up for the Adam Lambert cover shoot tomorrow. I look forward to it despite the long day it will be.17 minutes ago from web

Hmmm, I wonder if this is why he hasn’t gotten his hair cut lately. It’ll be interesting to see if they give him a new cut for the photo shoot. Yes, I’m shallow. Sue me.

You’re not the only shallow one. I hope the mop that was his hair the past few days is a thing of the past tomorrow!

How bout that top 10 list? Lol. Where do I even start? How bout taking Fantasia off there? She has done nothing of merit lately.

Having recently seen Fantasia in The Color Purple in DC, I’d say that she’s definitely done something with a *lot* of merit, lol.

The traditionally picky Washington Post arts section agrees with me, too:

Who knew?

Fantasia not only carries off the whole stage-acting thing in “The Color Purple,” but also practically carries the entire lumbering musical on two solid shoulders. She is, in other words, a wonder — a natural — and ample reason to go and find the joy in the more satiny moments of a sometimes syrupy evening in the Kennedy Center Opera House…..

As it turns out, however, you would be wrong to conclude that the casting is a stunt, a mere attempt to capitalize on reality-show renown. For Fantasia wears Celie as a heartbreaking second skin…..

When, for instance, Bonds’s Mister metes out one form of Dickensian punishment or another, the look, first of shock and then pained acceptance, registers on Fantasia’s features as absolute truth.

Heck, she even ages convincingly.

edit: please only snip part of the article

Washington Post

Is the Jim Harrington who wrote the idol top 10 power list the same as the tour reviewer for the Mercury News who commented that DC was the worse act of last year tour?

I always thought that David Cook broke AI in a good way. His whole run on that show was great to watch: changing, progressing, and managing to always mess with people’s expectations without compromising his musical identity, as well as revealing more and more of his musicianship and a warm, charming, smart and interesting personality. Adam’s LA times interview confirms this again. Kris, Allison and Anoop have all referenced Cook in their run of the season. I love it that all my favourites of last season were influenced to some degree by him.

Having recently seen Fantasia in The Color Purple in DC, I’d say that she’s definitely done something with a *lot* of merit, lol.

lucy, I’m so jealous! I wanted to go but it just didn’t pan out… I fricking love Fantasia, I think she’s magnificent

Maybe the Top 10 guy should’ve given Archie & DC a tie, then it would be a nice list, lol.

Hmmm, I wonder if this is why he hasn’t gotten his hair cut lately. It’ll be interesting to see if they give him a new cut for the photo shoot. Yes, I’m shallow. Sue me.

You’re not the only shallow one. I hope the mop that was his hair the past few days is a thing of the past tomorrow!

AMEN!!!!!!!!!!

Re: my earlier post this am – My apologies MJ – I have indeed read your guidelines, several times in fact, and should have known better. Next time I will “think before I speak”, a trait I have been unable to achieve unfortunately -

Look beyond that polished poster image of the artist, but don’t look beyond Fantasia. She is stunning. A mature and impressive stage actress with a voice capable of sending shivers down the spine of even that person with the cheapest seat in the farthest row back, Fantasia reprises the role of Celie that she first performed in 2007 on Broadway.

Fantasia’s Celie (or, more accurately, Walker’s Celie as the transformation is so complete) is the point around which The Color Purple revolves. Hers are the shoulders upon which this story of violence and redemption weighs most heavily.

A little more Fantasia love. Just because.

And, honestly, DC sees a lot of theater, a lot of stars, and is a cynical cynical burg. You really don’t hear a lot of raving here. But she’s deservedly gotten a ton of praise for the way she filled that huge theater with emotional energy — and even, as the first reviewer mentioned, without being able to rely on her big vocals, for the most part.

http://www.metroweekly.com/arts_entertainment/stage.php?ak=4393

Yeesh, the NY critics seem to be mainly Adam Lambert fans, with little or no love for Kris.

Oh well. I’ll be very happy when the competitive sports aspect of this whole thing fades, and these guys move into their separate careers, on very different musical tracks. Success to them both. A huge rock arena is just not Kris’s natural habitat. And the theatrically savvy Adam takes to that kind of venue like a ducktail to an Elvis. Or something.

Loved this funny bit in the gushing-over-Adam, dismissive-of-Kris review by the NY Times however:

And no, Leila Lambert probably wasn’t interested in a white jockstrap with pink lettering on it, a tribute to her son Adam,

You have to take the paper doing that top 10 list in to consideration. It is a San Francisco paper, which is not going to choose the same top ten, as St. Louis might choose.

You mean because Adam is on the list? Who else would be different? Other than remove Adam and put in Kris?

Is the Jim Harrington who wrote the idol top 10 power list the same as the tour reviewer for the Mercury News who commented that DC was the worse act of last year tour?

Yes he is, I knew his name sounded familiar. I forgot all about it. Well, since he’s making the list with a preconceived bias against David Cook, meaning he just doesn’t like him, then I wont hold it against him. Archie is his guy. So his list comes from his own bias.

Here’s the link to the article where he said DC was the worst of the 10 AI finalists last year.

http://blogs.mercurynews.com/aei/2008/07/09/american-idols-live-one-david-better-than-other/#more-7266

Ok, I just heard from Jim Cantiello, and here’s the scoop:

The reporter in the byline is never responsible for the headline or the subheadlines. The editorial staff are responsible, always.

tierbee, I’m so sorry you didn’t get to go! She was truly great. That’s a big theater and to project just simply your character’s humanity all across it the way she did is really special.

Hopefully, the Post reviewer’s pleas are heard and somebody writes a musical for her that you get to see!

Adam is shooting his album cover tomorrow, according to this tweet from Jasen Kaplan (who is a celebrity makeup artist, according to his twitter bio)

So as I’m getting ready for work this morning I start thinking about Adam’s hair – yeah I know, I know I’m insane – and I realize he has this album cover shoot coming up and it hits me that this is probably the reason his hair is longer right now. They’ll have many style options if they start with Adam’s hair longer and then cut it as the shoot progresses.

I saw Fantasia in the Color Purple when it was on Broadway and she was fantastic!

The editorial staff are responsible, always.

And they never, ever ask you — the reporter — what you think!…. And sometimes they don’t even read the article, lol.

I love the idea of Adam and Kris bouncing song ideas off each other for the albums! It seems throughout the show they offered advice and help to each other as well (I’m reminded of the idolatry quote from Kris about how he was unsure about doing “Heartless” until he told Adam, who said it would be brilliant!)

You gotta trust the musical instincts of those two guys! Hopefully they don’t leave Allison out too, though, since Adam and Kris talked about helping her out a bit with song selection throughout the season, and she definitely has the least experience of the three.

And I love the LA times Adam interview – I finally got around to the first two parts of it yesterday (too much going on to keep up with it all!) And I loved how he talked about his different musical experiences – it easily shows you how he has been such a chameleon with differerent styles, when he talks about literally performing musical theater, classic rock, pop, electro, jazz, a capella, choir music, etc. I was amazed at the breadth of his experience in every conceivable genre of music.

Ok, I just heard from Jim Cantiello, and here’s the scoop:

The reporter in the byline is never responsible for the headline or the subheadlines. The editorial staff are responsible, always.

Wow. I am amazed that these folks seem to want to help quell the teeming masses that post here. That’s really nice of them.

In fact I always thought, based on his missionary work, that Walmart would be the antithesis of everything Kris stood for. But perhaps his missionary objective was mainly religious rather than humanitarian. If that’s so, then my opinion of Kris would change drastically.

I can’t endorse anyone who approves of Walmart’s manufacturing codes of practice.

mj, I’m not trying to start a fanwar, just trying to state the fact that Wal-mart was founded in Rogers, Arkansas, U.S. (1962) and its Headquarters now is Bentonville, Arkansas. So I believe it’s pretty important for state of AR and Arkansans. I believe it has given a lot to the state and help to build Arkansas… I’m just sayin

‘I needed to do something that would establish me as a rocker, because I looked at my group and I knew that there were a lot of poppier R&B and country [singers], and I wondered, ‘How do I make myself different and stand out?’  There was a girl rocker and I thought I’ll be the boy rocker.’ 

So he played the role of a rocker during the competition just to stand out?

He’s just referring to the song choice of that week, not that throughout the competition, or before or after, he was going to pretend to be a rocker. The question was specifically about how he choose to sing the song Satifaction. He originally was going to sing the rock song Cryin’, but wasn’t allowed to do that at the time due to clearance issues. So he wanted to pick another rock song, because the rest of the group were singing R&B, pop and country songs, and so he wanted to keep with the rock he was originally going to do, and yes, also stick out. Adam was attempting to do his own rock and music stuff before the competition. It’s just his version of it. He’s trying to fuse things he likes, like dance and theatricality, with it. As he says, he admire Glam Rock and glam rock did a lot of those things.

I don’t see Adam as ‘posing,’ as much as evolving. Not all of us are one thing, and not all of us determine what it is we want to do right away. Adam knew he loved music, and that has remained fairly constant for most of his life. But his tastes and how he’s chosen to express it, have changed over time. I don’t consider that just because he did musical theatre and can be theatrical now, negates also having a rock side. As per earlier parts of this interview, he was also doing rock types jam sessions with his friends and family that they recorded. He grew up listening and also loving rock music. He tried to do a rock band in LA.

I don’t see this as posing, as much as having different sides to yourself and exploring different sides at different times.

I don’t believe anyone who appeared on American Idol can ever claim to be rocker than thou and everyone on the show is a poser to me. Because it’s a karaoke song and “rockers,” on it go out and and sing disco, broadway, and about magical rainbows. It’s pre-packacked pablum of the lowest order and if you go on it to win the prize? You’ve pretty much taken away any real rock cred you ever had. At least in my book, YMMV.

Here’s the link to the article where he said DC was the worst of the 10 AI finalists last year.

http://blogs.mercurynews.com/aei/2008/07/09/american-idols-live-one-david-better-than-other/#more-7266

OMG, he was the one who said TOML wasn’t good enough to be played in a bar! He’s THAT guy. I just can’t get upset over every article that doesn’t love (or even like) Cook, including this one. BUT, his list makes more sense now. Hilarious!

I’ll be very happy when the competitive sports aspect of this whole thing fades

Oh, but it doesn’t. I just goes on and on and…..

In fact I always thought, based on his missionary work, that Walmart would be the antithesis of everything Kris stood for. But perhaps his missionary objective was mainly religious rather than humanitarian. If that’s so, then my opinion of Kris would change drastically.

I can’t endorse anyone who approves of Walmart’s manufacturing codes of practice.

You have to understand people who are from Arkansas. They are dedicated and loyal to their own (look at Arkansas support for Kris). Sam Walton is from Arkansas and started his first store there. Their headquarters is there. I don’t think Kris was being snarky at all when he said he loves Walmart, and I bet he really does love it.

little more Fantasia love. Just because.

And, honestly, DC sees a lot of theater, a lot of stars, and is a cynical cynical burg. You really don’t hear a lot of raving here. But she’s deservedly gotten a ton of praise for the way she filled that huge theater with emotional energy ‘” and even, as the first reviewer mentioned, without being able to rely on her big vocals, for the most part.

http://www.metroweekly.com/arts_entertainment/stage.php?ak=4393

Great to hear she’s getting good reviews. She has an amazing voice.

I just didnt see her as #1 in the list MTV put out a few months ago, but she definitely deserves a mention in the AI greats. She’s one of the best singers we’ve had on AI over the 8 seasons, and was a worthy winner

Kris, Allison and Anoop have all referenced Cook in their run of the season. I love it that all my favourites of last season were influenced to some degree by him.

Don’t forget Matty. Ha poor Matty always gets forgotten, but not by me! Matt said he voted for DC! Add Matt to the list above, and it’s ALL my favorites from S8 referencing my favorite from S7 .

Gonna try not to click on that Top 10 list =).

As a rock fan, I thought that was rather obvious. I don’t think any hard core rock fan ever took him seriously as ‘the rocker’, although he does do a mean Whole Lotta Love.

Hmm, lots of real rock musicians(Slash, Brian May, Vince Neil, Josh Todd of Buckcherry, Mike Portnoy of Dream Theater, Meat Loaf, Marilyn Manson..) likes Adam. And Adams says that he and Slash are actually talking about some collaborations.

Please forgive me if this has already been posted. I didn’t see it earlier.
Kelly Clarkson tells MTV she thinks Paula’s departure is AI’s “drama” this year.
http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1618556/20090812/clarkson_kelly.jhtml
“She totally probably will be bacK” says Kelly. (LOL at her certain uncertainty)

She’s one of the best singers we’ve had on AI over the 8 seasons, and was a worthy winner

I loved her and was so excited when she won… her song on the finale after she won made me cry, I was so happy for her

Oh, but it doesn’t. I just goes on and on and’ ¦..

THAT is the truth, lol.

OMG, he was the one who said TOML wasn’t good enough to be played in a bar! He’s THAT guy. I just can’t get upset over every article that doesn’t love (or even like) Cook, including this one. BUT, his list makes more sense now. Hilarious!

Ha! Oh that guy?? Magic rainbow being played in bars? Of course not. Luckily it was good enough to be played on the Olympics and performed on Oprah though :laugh_tb: Those beat the hell out of bars!

Vada
Aug 12th, 2009 at 10:53 am
Valentin432: So he played the role of a rocker during the competition just to stand out?

As a rock fan, I thought that was rather obvious. I don’t think any hard core rock fan ever took him seriously as ‘the rocker’, although he does do a mean Whole Lotta Love.

If you’ve heard his music with Citizen Vein?.. that’s kind of rock.. and he already act like rocker before he’s in Idol… that snake leather boot? He told Fox San Diego in his home coming .. he has that boots before Idol that’s because he wants to be a Rocker…

apparently bb’s doing cover shoot tomorrow. And the makeup artist guy @JasenKaplan just tweeted:
@insomniac19 I would NEVER make adam look orange! lol i promise! I will twit pic tomorrow…

Thank you! I feel so relieved :lol_ee: :wub_tb:

‘She totally probably will be bacK’  says Kelly. (LOL at her certain uncertainty)

That article is so misleading. The interview that soundbite comes from is a sirius/xm radio interview Kelly taped before paula quit. It’s an outdated quote–somethng MTV never mentions in the article.

If you asked Kelly now, she might have a completely different answer. Here’s the original video interview.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_VVj1EeKrr0

I want EMO! 4 his cover shoot! I hate the MTV title it works both ways. Honestly Adam is not a rocker. IMO no one on AI is a rocker-end of story. And yes that incudes cook daughtry and bo. I’m not complaining. Adams not a poser either. He never said he was purely a rocker. But if he did a fusion the judges would ask what kind of artist do u want 2 b? Adam can do so much but with his high vocals peope immediately associate himbeith rock. He is not a rockstar and I don’t think he wants 2 B 1. I personally love Adam becuz he is sooo versatile. I think everyone expects him 2 b a star have the best album if the century and fill a void in the world. That’s not going to happen- especially on his first album. I’m worried that everyone will HATE his album becuz it will be judged to really high standards. In success I think itbwill b like cooks album maybe with one top 40 song.

Backstage, he (Danny) told me that he was considering two deals with country labels and after seeing his Rascal Flatts songs, it makes sense. ‘I won’t have a twang, though,’  he added.

I’m surprised no one pick this up, given so many talks in last night’s concert thread. So it’s pretty done deal that Danny will go country.

^^ Sorry MJ, didn’t know. Good catch!

^^ Sorry MJ, didn’t know. Good catch!

No need to apologize! That’s the first I saw the MTV article–I’d found the video over at the New York Post.

I’m not a fan of Wal-Mart or many of its policies, but the fact remains that Kris is from Arkansas, Wal-Mart is based in Arkansas and the company has done a lot to help the economy of that state. And Wal-Mart is a sponsor of AI (the AI winner has to perform at the shareholders’ meeting). Whether Kris is a fan of the company or not, he isn’t going to publicly dis it (although for all we know, he could have been sarcastic/snarky with his “I love Wal-Mart” remark) — nor should he be expected to do so.

Even though he doesn’t talk about it much, it’s clear Kris is very much a humanitarian. He went on numerous missions and has spoken about how much doing those missions affected his outlook on the world. He also supports various causes like Invisible Children and has spoken about how he and Katy want to eventually start their own foundation. This isn’t a shallow guy who cares little about what’s going on in the world.

apparently bb’s doing cover shoot tomorrow. And the makeup artist guy @JasenKaplan just tweeted:
@insomniac19 I would NEVER make adam look orange! lol i promise! I will twit pic tomorrow’ ¦

We are going to have pic tomorrow? I need to mark my calendar. :clap_tb:

Ok, I just heard from Jim Cantiello, and here’s the scoop:

The reporter in the byline is never responsible for the headline or the subheadlines. The editorial staff are responsible, always.

I’m sorry that I blamed Jim for MTV’s misleading headline. I know he’s better than that.

OMG I am so excited 4 the twutpic 2 morrow :clap_tb: :jittery_tb:

since they recently called him a middling Idol success story who was only attempting to be a real rocker by putting on a grueling tour.

Just reading back in the thread… did MTV really say this? Because that’s pretty cynical, to think that anyone working as hard as Cook is just an attempt to be a real rocker. I’ve gotten the impression that David wants to “earn” his success, and not feel like the perks he has now are just a given. Grinding it out on the road is something that I not only think he really enjoys, but something he feels is the right thing to do.

I suppose he could have hooked up with a big act and been an opener. That would possibly have garnered more attention. But, I like the way he’s handling his post-AI career. No exploding star perhaps, but organic and steady, and very true to himself.

IMO no one on AI is a rocker-end of story. And yes that incudes cook daughtry and bo.

Well, I know you were, what, 8? when Bo was on the show (unless you’re a different “luvadamlambert” from the 12-year-old reviewer from a few weeks back — in which case, please ignore that sentence and I apologize for the mis-identification! ) so you probably haven’t followed him much since. But I’ve seen some Bo shows over the years, and he *definitely* is rocking! Now, admittedly, it’s southern rock, kind of country rock, not the hardest-edged rock in the world. But rock it definitely is.

Now, if you mean that none of these guys, including Bo, are among the top rockers of their day and that makes them “not rockers.” Well, yeah, I’ll give you that!

As for Adam — well, Citizen Vein seemed pretty rocky to me, too. But in the end I think he’ll go for slightly rock-flavored pop.

On the other hand, rock radio certainly agrees with you.

And the theatrically savvy Adam takes to that kind of venue like a ducktail to an Elvis. Or something.

I think the appropriate comparison would be like Elvis to black velvet.

I’m surprised no one pick this up, given so many talks in last night’s concert thread. So it’s pretty done deal that Danny will go country.

Well he’s been talking about the offers for forever and it’s kind of a tired topic, to me at least- I’ll believe it when I see it.

But, I like the way he’s handling his post-AI career. No exploding star perhaps, but organic and steady, and very true to himself.

EmmaJK, I agree completely. That’s exactly how I feel about what David is doing right now.

deleted… just saw MJs comment about editor & JIm

Backstage, he (Danny) told me that he was considering two deals with country labels and after seeing his Rascal Flatts songs, it makes sense. ‘I won’t have a twang, though,’  he added.

I am surprised that he is still considering two deals. I would have thought that by now the deals are pretty much decided and ready to be formalized when the AI contract ends, in a week or so.

Just to clarify my earlier post- I only suggested Fantasia be taken off the list to be replaced by Cook because if you are going to count her turn on broadway as success now, you should probably consider Taylor and Constantine as well. I meant she hasn’t done anything as far as selling albums for awhile. And hasn’t Ruben won a couple of Grammy’s? Maybe they should have only had a top 5. Oh, well- I’m a sucker for lists- it’s the High Fidelity fan in me.

As far as Adam not being taken seriously by rock fans, it is probably the case for most die hards still living in the 70′s and 8o’s, but what is really important is that established rock stars like someone posted above ( and I would like to add Billie Joe Armstrong to the list) call him the real deal. The other thing he has going for him that Cook and Daughtry don’t is the VOICE.

But once again, it’s what they do with that voice that is going to count in the long run., and with expectations running so high he’s really going to have to put out something spectacular.

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Yeah Lucy I didn’t follow Bo much since he wasn’t my favorite-actually I didn’t like him at all o_0. Yeah and by rock I meant really had edged rock , heavy metal and stuff. If I had to classify him as something I would probably think rock but he doesn’t seem rocky enough to actually be singled out as the only real rocker AI has had. If that makes sense….:p

Oh and yikes, sorry for the long previous entry, way too thesis, supporting, conclusion. But yeah, that MTV article is crap. I didn’t even click on it at first, because I saw the video interview and figured ‘what could it say, that I haven’t already seen?’ But whoa! It’s like the evil universe in Star Trek, version of that interview. I think they draw a goatee on Kris in this vesion, so we can distinguish it from actual reality. I’m an Adam fantard, but that’s just some straight up BS and totally not giving Kris his due. Epic, epic fail by MTV editors.

Thanks for the link to the article about the tour last year where the guy that put together the top ten list clearly does not like David Cook. http://blogs.mercurynews.com/aei/2008/07/09/american-idols-live-one-david-better-than-other/#more-7266

He does not like David and looks like he never has so he chooses to ignore the facts about who sold more albums, how many songs are on the radio, who is headlining his own tour, etc etc etc. No offense to Archie because I think that they both could have been on the list.

apparently bb’s doing cover shoot tomorrow. And the makeup artist guy @JasenKaplan just tweeted:
@insomniac19 I would NEVER make adam look orange! lol i promise! I will twit pic tomorrow’ ¦

Must be flying into Hamilton – no time for the bus.

The reporter in the byline is never responsible for the headline or the subheadlines. The editorial staff are responsible, always.

Yeah, that article title was pretty ridiculous. Here’s a suggested corrected title, to generate hits by using both names:

“Kris Allen and Adam Lambert Bounce Song Ideas Off Each Other”

or (just to generate more interest)

“Kris Allen and Adam Lambert Bounce Off Each Other”

I went back and read that article by J Harrington where he lambasted DC and pretty much the 2008 tour. He certainly doesn’t seem to like Idol much. Interesting thing though, his article last year received only 24 comments, whereas his article this year got 260 comments! I know the West Coast shows came early on the tour this year (don’t know where they placed in last year) but that’s a lot of comments.

If that Top 10 list had been introduced as an opinion piece, then fine, he likes Archie, doesn’t like Cook. The problem is it’s introduced as an objective ranking based on sales figures, radio play, and realistic projections. That’s why it appears to be an error to omit Cook. The writer never says that he’s taking his own personal biases into account when compiling the list.

Everyone has a right to their own opinion, esp here at MJs, but I have to say I think Cook’s voice is as powerful an instrument as Adam’s, just different. I haven’t listened to Daughtry much, but my impression is he has a powerful voice too, but not nearly as versatile as the other two.

As to Rock Cred – I wish that phrase had never been invented. The rock radio people are snobs, and everyone else gives cred to the people they themselves like as rockers.

The more I listen to Muse ‘Uprising’ the more I’m hoping Adam’s album has songs similar to this.

One thing that is beginning to concern me about Kris is the way the media portrays him. Apparantly, he is not their favorite. How does that bode for his prospects after the Idol tour? It is obvious that the media loves Adam (which makes me happy) so they are going to promote his debut album and anything Adam related. Many even seem giddy over him. On the other hand, I don’t see them going out of their way to give Kris a wind at his back. Will they even write artlicles about his debut album? If they do, will the reveiws be positive? Will he ever stop being compared to Adam? Yea, some articles are slightly positive to Kris, mainly saying he holds his own. But, man, that kid has an uphill road to climb to get the non-idol fans and media excited about him. Having a headline that makes it sound like Kris has to turn to Adam for help (because Adam is great and already knows what he is doing) certianly is not helping his climb.

I see Adam more as a chameleon than a ‘poser.’ 

Exactly. He never tried to be an all out rocker like Chris, David Cook, Bo, etc. Or at least not to fit the rock mode of those guys. Adam favored, instead, a more classic rock sound, which makes sense given his experience and preferences growing up.

And hopefully this will not lead to another “What is rock?” debate

The answer: rock is something that makes you feel like rocking – whatever that may be.

OMG – the IDK are planning something for Danny tonight – I shutter to think….argh.

Studio57, I guess we will find out in a few months if Adam’s new single gets airplay on active rock radio. If it does, you will be able to officially color me shocked.

I think his music will be aimed straight at Top 40, and not at the hard core rock fan. Top 40 is where the big money is, and I think he will be a huge success.

One thing that I have learned over the last few months, is that pop fans have a whole different definition of ‘rock’ than that held by rock fans.

I happen to think that both Cook and Daughtry have great pipes. Adam does, too, but he does not know how to control them when he goes BSC so it goes to a bad place. JMO.

There is so much misogyny involved in “rock cred” that I’m not a fan of of it (check out Kings Of Leon and their statements on who and who is not allowed to listen to them). Rock radio impressions are going down and many rock stations are disappearing. The one in my area that recently died had a very similar playlist to the two existing classic rock stations and that seems to be the norm in many places. The same complaints get lodged against any mainstream pop/rock male artists so all the AI thing does is slant it a little in that direction.
That hasn’t stopped a lot of people from becoming fans of Daughtry, Cook, Nickelback, Rob Thomas, Lifehouse, etc.

“I needed to do something that would establish me as a rocker, because I looked at my group and I knew that there were a lot of poppier R&B and country [singers], and I wondered, ‘How do I make myself different and stand out?’  There was a girl rocker and I thought I’ll be the boy rocker.”

Interesting. Well, Adam was smart to map out a strategic plan of attack on Idol. I think Gokey said it was no longer just a singing competition. So if Adam thought going the boy rocker route was the way, then good for him. It does seem to have worked. And he has Broadway and acting in his background, so makes sense. No question that Adam can sing and wail on key. But perhaps that’s why I never “got” him. I always felt like he was playing the role of a rock star or rock ‘god’ rather than actualling being an authentic rock musician.

And given how he stated in the same article that he wants to do electronic pop dance rock. Musically? He could probably go anywhere. Be all things. Claim all things. Should be interesting to see who the real Adam Lambert is when his album drops in the fall.

So who is the country guy? Michael Sarver or Kris?

I also don’t Kris is doing himself any favors by coming across as a “green” singer. In one interview, he said that he thought things were going well with his album, “at least that is what they tell me”, and “I don’t really know because I have never done this before” Now, he talks about not knowing what to do in a co-writing session. Add that to getting help from Adam, he is beginning to sound like he doesn’t have a clue. The media will definitely pick up on that lack of confidence in the industry. Even if all those things are true, I probably wouldn’t keep repeating the same theme.

Yeah and by rock I meant really had edged rock , heavy metal and stuff. If I had to classify him as something I would probably think rock but he doesn’t seem rocky enough to actually be singled out as the only real rocker AI has had. If that makes sense’ ¦.:p

Okay, I get it! This is the heavy-metal bias. So Bo and, like, the Beatles, the Dead, the Allman Brothers, the Stones, The Band, etc. etc. turn out not to be rock today! Yep, I’ve heard that argument before! I totally reject it, but I’ve definitely heard it before!

He can sing rock, but I don’t think his album from the way he describes it will be one that will get rock radio station play. But who knows….

Yeah and by rock I meant really had edged rock , heavy metal and stuff.

Heavy metal is not the epitome of rock. Real deal rock spans many decades and goes way back before hard edge or metal existed. Chuck Berry has sometimes been known as the guy who invented rock. There’s plenty of rock music out there even outside of AI I consider rock even if it’s isnt hardcore. DC and Chris are my favorite guys to come out of Idol, and truthfully I don’t care if they’re seen as real deal rockers because for ME the only thing that matters is that I love their voice and their music. IMO Bo is very much rock. Forget what he did on the show, I saw him at the Bonnaroo festival a few years ago where he rocked the crap out of WLL. This was a hard crowd to please and he had everyone going nuts.

Will they even write artlicles about his debut album? If they do, will the reveiws be positive? Will he ever stop being compared to Adam?

When Kris’ single and album is out, the 19E machine will work on its promo. Kris will go to lots of talk shows, have interviews and make the headlines. Whether the reviews will be positive depends more on the album. Same applies to Adam. The media might totally turn their back to Adam if his album is less than mediocre. I don’t think they can really compare their albums, but they may compare the sales, such as the top 10 list comparison of Archie and Cook.

Is the Jim Harrington who wrote the idol top 10 power list the same as the tour reviewer for the Mercury News who commented that DC was the worse act of last year tour?

Yes he is, I knew his name sounded familiar. I forgot all about it.

He’s THAT guy

Oh….. NOW I remember him, LOL!! :lol_tb:
Thanks, I feel a lot better now.

The writer never says that he’s taking his own personal biases into account when compiling the list.

Well, he kind of did. That’s pretty much implied when he includes “projections for further success” as one of the criteria. Because there is no easy way to objectivly measure that with any accuracy.

So who is the country guy? Michael Sarver or Kris?

Apparently Danny is.

alaadam
Aug 12th, 2009 at 1:36 pm
I also don’t Kris is doing himself any favors by coming across as a ‘green’  singer. In one interview, he said that he thought things were going well with his album, ‘at least that is what they tell me’ , and ‘I don’t really know because I have never done this before’  Now, he talks about not knowing what to do in a co-writing session. Add that to getting help from Adam, he is beginning to sound like he doesn’t have a clue. The media will definitely pick up on that lack of confidence in the industry. Even if all those things are true, I probably wouldn’t keep repeating the same theme.

Kris said that at first, he didn’t know what to do, but now he does. And since MTV has decreed that Adam is writing Kris’ songs, I guess Adam gets the blame if they suck.

Haha Lucy reading my comment back I changed my mind which is weird since I usually stand by what I write but this time it really just didn’t make sense. Just ignore that whole post:) I totally agree with ur whole post vada( which is odd because I usually disagree with you) . I don’t think Adam will be played on rick radio. I think why people are saying lady gaga when they think of him other than the over the top ness is I think she I’s the closest thingbout there to what adam wants to do. And muse(maybe?). Jmo

A bit ago I was banned from posting here. Recently I found I was “unbanned” through a glitch or MJ’s largesse, I’m not sure. Anyway, I have posted a few times recently, nothing important, just general comment type stuff. Reading through all of these threads today, I’ve decided I’d like to be banned again. I am sick to death of the constant “my idol is better than your idol” or “how dare that writer diss my idol” or “that writer doesn’t like my idol so he/she is not a true journalist” etc, blah blah blah. I understand this post violates MJ’s rules because it criticizes my fellow posters. So be it.

Loved what adam said about Kris and allison…so cute

I can’t wait for the interviews with kris and allison

The writer never says that he’s taking his own personal biases into account when compiling the list.

I agree with jms, the writer who does not like Cook does this. Okay hate Cook so how can I pick Archie instead of Cook for this list? Well Archie’s one song “Crush” was a bigger top 40 hit than Cook’s three radio hits. So that is the criteria I will use to make my point. Easy to do when you decide to ignore all other factors. YMMV

One thing that I have learned over the last few months, is that pop fans have a whole different definition of ‘rock’ than that held by rock fans.

I don’t think it has anything to do with being a pop fan vs real rock fan. I think that there are just diferent versions and definitions of rock. I find there is a lot more need with those that consider themselves rock fans to set up some purity tests and establish what constitutes “cred.” I remember dealing with this as a kid in my punk phase, I called it “harder than thou.” And I thought it was the stupidest thing in the world to attempt to show what a rebel rebel you were, by imposing a set of rules and limits on things. Just different rules and limits, but rules and limits, nonetheless. Which I was like ‘than how are you being different, by trying to make everything sound the same?’

I’m not saying that there is no genre of rock, but I’m saying that pop, jazz, funk, blues, even disco and even opera have a part of the whole rock tapestry. So labeling one person as “real,” rock and others as mere “poseurs,” to me is problematic and for me personally, why bother? Do I enjoy the music and can I rock out to it? Well there you go then.

And I do maintain anyone who appears on some karaoke show that has dance numbers, has you singing Broadway songs, or to Burt Bacharach week, or to Disney week, takes away any rock cred you had. I mean if you want to play the “harder than thou,” game. That’s pretty much a game ender with that one. Do not pass Go. Do not collect your Real Rocker ID card.

Rockstar Weekly article about Adam’s involvement with Donorschoose.org

http://www.rockstarweekly.com/content/view/710/101/

First of all, Fantasia ‘“ headlining a Broadway blockbuster produced by the likes of Quincy Jones and Oprah Winfrey is hardly failure territory. And now she is the first Idol alumnus to be cast at THE LEAD in a major motion picture. Nothing to negate, for sure. Broadway is what millions of the most talented people in the industry aspire to, yet it’s commonly used as a complete dismissal in Idoland (totally don’t get that).

Also, the whole Adam rocker-poser thing. It goes back to the discussion of is “American Idol” a talent competition or a reality show? Adam, knowing he had the talent, approached it like it was “SURVIVOR: The Music Industry” and it worked very well.

He understood they were casting archetypes. He also knew he needed to be strategic and he has said repeatedly, if most people were doing one thing, he’d do the other. He knew TOMT would be a stark contrast to ROF and would provide a killer moment. Again, strategy as all reality show contestants must use.

The big difference with all of them really is that they are the largest group of “classy” reality contestants I’ve ever seen ‘“ helping and supporting one another, instead of employing back-stabbing and sabotage.

The future contestants who are going to go far are those like Adam, Cook and Kris, who know who they are as performers and change the game to suit themselves, without getting mowed under by the “challenges” set up by the game.

alaadam Aug 12th, 2009 at 1:36 pm

I also don’t Kris is doing himself any favors by coming across as a ‘green’  singer. In one interview, he said that he thought things were going well with his album, ‘at least that is what they tell me’ , and ‘I don’t really know because I have never done this before’  Now, he talks about not knowing what to do in a co-writing session. Add that to getting help from Adam, he is beginning to sound like he doesn’t have a clue. The media will definitely pick up on that lack of confidence in the industry. Even if all those things are true, I probably wouldn’t keep repeating the same theme.

I agree. Everything I’ve read so far gives the impression the Kris is totally unsure of himself and the work he’s doing. While Adam seems to have a clear vision for what he wants (even if some of YOU don’t get it he seems extremely happy and confident in the direction of his album). Adam is also giving the impression he’s taking the reigns and has a lot of creative control from the song writers and producers he’s working with to his image and the people he’s working with to create that image.

I think these mindsets will come into play when it comes time to get out their and promote their work. The media can be viscious and if they sense weakness and uncertainty many will attack.

I haven’t seen this posted anywhere previously, but it’s kind of cute.

http://popwatch.ew.com/2009/08/11/fourth-judge-american-idol-whitney-pastorek/

Whitney Pastorek pleads her case for why she should be the fourth judge. She makes a few good points toward the end.

Rockstar Weekly article about Adam’s involvement with Donorschoose.org

http://www.rockstarweekly.com/content/view/710/101/

It’s kinda weird that Rockstar covers Adam’s charity news. But it’s a good news. The winner group can have one hour online chat with Adam. That’s really cool. Adam will deliver suppliers to one classroom, which is a good PR.

I remember Kris’ friends are helping him with a fund for collage students, or things like that. I hope we can hear more about Danny’s Sophia fund and Kris’ charity.

The entire discussion about Adam if or if not Adam is a “rocker” leads me to one questions – what is a “rocker” and what kind of music does a “rocker” do?

Just because Adam has sung a wide range of musical genres — musical theater, light opera, ballads, new prog/alterntive rock, dance and so on, does that mean that he can’t be a “rocker”? The music Adam listens to and likes is mostly new prog/alt rock. The performances that he said are most like his upcoming album are both clearlly rock — Muse’s Starlight and Bowie.

So if someone who has the vocal capability to do a wide range of musical genres is cannot be a “rocker”, then someone needs to send a memo to Elvis (rock, pop, country, gospel), Robert Plant (just won the Grammy for his bluegrass album), Jon Bon Jove (just had another country hit), Prince (dance, electronica) and so on.

I am certain that Adam was right and that he never would have made it onto Idol if he did new prog/alt rock — and he needed to stay more mainstream. But even on Idol, he started to mix in some more alternative performances, RoF and Feeling Good, and still managed to make it to the final. In the Idol tour he has gone a bit farther toward alt rock. I expect his album to be future into the new prog/alt space.

How is what Adam did on Idol that different than David Cook’s season — or for that matter Kris’ season? I don’t recall Kris doing any alternative rock on Idol and Kris only Idol rock performance was on Rock Week, “Come Together” a classic rock song. Now in concert Kris is doing Killers and Matchbox 20.

Finally, if Muse and the other New Prog/Alt Rock artists aren’t “Rockers” what are they?

edit: not much different around here than it was last year, just a few more people. you didn’t complain much then. In fact, you happily engaged in those fan wars. the real problem is that we aren’t talking about your fave any more. Either move along with me or not. Season 8 peeps will have the same choice in 12 months or so

OMG – the IDK are planning something for Danny tonight – I shutter to think’ ¦.argh.

What is the IDK?

Ok, I just heard from Jim Cantiello, and here’s the scoop:

The reporter in the byline is never responsible for the headline or the subheadlines. The editorial staff are responsible, always.

Yay, Krim lives!!!!!!

Susan M. Also, the whole Adam rocker-poser thing. It goes back to the discussion of is ‘American Idol’  a talent competition or a reality show? Adam, knowing he had the talent, approached it like it was ‘SURVIVOR: The Music Industry’  and it worked very well.

“SURVIVOR: The Music Industry” I love that. Kris did the same thing. He said his ‘strategy’ was ‘what do I need to do to stay here one more week’?

I think these mindsets will come into play when it comes time to get out their and promote their work. The media can be viscious and if they sense weakness and uncertainty many will attack.

Yep. They’re like six-year-olds that way. I think this is one of the reasons that Simon was so negative about Kris’s extreme modesty. Worked great on the show to make people like him. But it’s working against him in these media interviews. For the people that already know and love him, it’s fine. But when you get a 15 or 30 second spot on the local news, excitement and confidence in what you’re doing is what’s going to propel people that haven’t heard of you to take a second look.

IMO Bo is very much rock. Forget what he did on the show, I saw him at the Bonnaroo festival a few years ago where he rocked the crap out of WLL. This was a hard crowd to please and he had everyone going nuts.

Bo played Bonnaroo? Wow, that’s awesome for him. I didn’t know hip music festivals would invite former Idols. I go to my fair share, and enjoy them, but I keep thinking, too bad DC would never get asked to play these. They are too cool for school. MWK might’ve gotten on one of the smaller stages in the mornings, but American Idol David Cook? Not a chance… so I thought, anyway.

True, True tierbee, In the grand scheme of things it means nothing but it is always good to know the context of the article you are reading and the opinion of the writer. YMMV

“And since MTV has decreed that Adam is writing Kris’ songs, I guess Adam gets the blame if they suck. ”

- When it’s bad, blame it on Adam. When it’s good, wow it’s Kris. Poor guy when he was not even involved in that interview. When you read the article, I don’t get the impression that Adam is writing for Kris but rather they listen to each other’s recording and share their ideas. It’s the headline that is misleading but again you have to read the article to understand what it meant. It means that Kris takes into consideration Adam’s comments and vice-versa. Kris admits being a greenhorn in this area and there’s nothing wrong with asking someone’s help. Gosh, they’re just helping each other and it’s a wonderful thing.

also don’t Kris is doing himself any favors by coming across as a ‘green’  singer. In one interview, he said that he thought things were going well with his album, ‘at least that is what they tell me’ , and ‘I don’t really know because I have never done this before’  Now, he talks about not knowing what to do in a co-writing session. Add that to getting help from Adam, he is beginning to sound like he doesn’t have a clue. The media will definitely pick up on that lack of confidence in the industry. Even if all those things are true, I probably wouldn’t keep repeating the same theme.

kris is being kris….and if history is any indication, people like that “green”, honest side of him. Not sure how you can equate being candid to lacking confidence.

and yes, he is getting help from adam, AND at the same time, adam seeks approval/feedback from kris. the article describes how they bounce ideas off each other. the header is misleading, but it is catchy and thats why MTV used it. had nothing to do w. trying to paint kris as ‘green’, nor does it come across like that if you read the piece. IMO.

plus, the media doesnt care about confidence….that angle doesnt sell. how many articles have you seen that talk about a star’s confidence? unless it is related to a drug addiction or weight issue? so unless we see kris hanging out w. mischa barton, i think its safe to say his confidence is intact LOL

http://www.rockstarweekly.com/content/view/710/101/

It’s kinda weird that Rockstar covers Adam’s charity news. But it’s a good news. The winner group can have one hour online chat with Adam. That’s really cool. Adam will deliver suppliers to one classroom, which is a good PR.

What’s even more odd is that this is a Candian magazine, this charity won’t benefit them. Also someone commented awhile back as to why the runner-up of Canadian Idol is ignored but Adam is mentioned constantly, good question. I didn’t even know there was a Candian Idol.

I always felt like he was playing the role of a rock star or rock ‘god’ rather than actuall[y] being an authentic rock musician.

If the guy can sing Aerosmith and Zeppelin, the guy should sing Aerosmith and Zeppelin. I don’t see how Adam was playing a “role” just because he’s versatile and can sing that type of music. If he was one-dimensional (as nearly every artist has been on that show), then he would be more believable? That makes no sense.

But, seriously, it’s a reality TV show with theme weeks and they’re singing cover songs. I think most people realize that calling the guy a rock star at this point is simply seeing his potential to be one. He has vocal chops, stage presence, charisma, “it” factor, oozes sexuality, takes risks and is fearless. Those are qualities great rock stars possess.

People in the industry and in general are excited about Adam because, let’s face it, music has been boring for a long time now. I can’t remember the last truly original or exciting thing I heard, or, at least, it has been awhile. And Adam is exciting. He may never put out a hardcore rock album (again, there are so many types of rock) and he may never get played on rock radio, but that doesn’t mean he can’t achieve “rock star status.”

Musically? He could probably go anywhere. Be all things. Claim all things. Should be interesting to see who the real Adam Lambert is when his album drops in the fall.

Adam himself has said that he is a chameleon. I believe everything you’ve seen has been the real Adam Lambert. I wouldn’t be surprised if his second album sounded completely different from his first. Heck, this guy is going to put an electro-dance song on his first album along with a ballad about “vulnerability.” Range? Yes, he’s got it. And he should flaunt it.

Also someone commented awhile back as to why the runner-up of Canadian Idol is ignored but Adam is mentioned constantly, good question.

Seems pretty straight forward to me: their readers are more interested in reading about Adam than about the Canadian Idol runner up and Adam gets them more visitors to their web site.

Once the Idol season is over, it’s no longer about who wins or loses to media. They care about increased ratings.

Bo played Bonnaroo? Wow, that’s awesome for him.

I didn’t know that either – that’s great! I love Bo, and he’s the real deal… Southern rocker dude who has never changed who he was and I admire him so much for that. I’d love to catch one of his shows.

Here’s the Extra video of Adam — nothing new and it’s mostly parts of the Rolling Stone (last Thursday night) video interview.

Adam Lambert Interview on Extra (08-11-09)

As for Adam ‘” well, Citizen Vein seemed pretty rocky to me, too. But in the end I think he’ll go for slightly rock-flavored pop.

It’s interesting that the LATimes interview paints a very different picture of Adam’s relation to rock musician aspirations then I got from this blog (which is my main source of impressions). Seeing Citizen Vein referenced so often, I assumed it was some sort of regular enterprise, but in the LA Times piece, he says it only performed “a handful of gigs.”

We did three gigs and that was it and we recorded a couple things, like rough recordings, and I don’t know, it didn’t quite click

He also makes it clear that all of his paying work as an adult was in musical theater and cabaret (not that there’s anything wrong with that, TM John Stewart).

And this:

I reached this epiphany where I thought, ‘You’re about to be 27. What do you have to show for yourself? You’ve done a couple shows. You’re working. You know you can pay your bills but do you want to do something great? Do you want to do something major and launch yourself? Yeah, I do,’  and I knew that ‘Idol’  was going to be, if I could get it, such a platform. I’d seen people that had been on ‘Idol’  and were eliminated playing leads on Broadway, and I knew that’s the way New York is now. If you’re on TV and you’re a celebrity, you can get a lead in a Broadway show. I thought that’s what I should do because they don’t seem to want to promote me at ‘Wicked.’  The worst-case scenario is that it would enhance my career in the theater and the best-case scenario is that I could do really well — and I didn’t know what it was going to be.

To me, there’s nothing wrong with this as a back story. One of the big barriers for guys right now in Broadway is there’s a total dearth of young, cool roles. It’s not like the ’70s when you had a lot of challenging, innovative musicals like Jesus Christ Superstar, Hair, A Chorus Line. Rent was the last really contemporary hit musical and that’s almost 15 years ago (yikes!).

So it makes sense to me that a guy with Adam’s pipes and looks and persona would get frustrated and look to invent a new path–why not? There’s no particular reason a theater guy can’t invade the pop world and score. Just find it funny how much in AI world that theater background is so, as it were, Scorned!

Everything I’ve read so far gives the impression the Kris is totally unsure of himself and the work he’s doing.

I disagree. I don’t think Kris is sounding unsure, I just think he’s just holding it close to the vest. I also think that he’s trying not to raise expectations, and I for one, am all for that. In fact I wish Adam would take a page from Kris’s book there. It’s also that Kris is working with people seem to also keep things closer to the vest than the people that Adam works with. Which is kind of funny that is more in keeping with each of their personalities. But I don’t see Kris as unsure or weak. I think he is very clear in what he’s doing and seems to be deliberative in crafting a good album that’s going to be something close to who he is and what he wants his sound to be. Well as much as the crappy 19 machine will let him. But that goes without saying.

I also think that he’s trying not to raise expectations, and I for one, am all for that.

Yeah, I think in Kris’ case this is a good idea. He’s been the underdog all along, might as well stay that way. I personally am looking forward to seeing what he comes up with. I think he sounds a lot like Keith Urban and I *love* Keith Urban so there’s a good chance I’ll like what he does if it isn’t crapola!

along with a ballad about ‘vulnerability.’ 

When Adam said this I was like, “yes! please let that be the co-write with Ferras.” If they could come up with anything close in beauty to Ferras’s Rush, I’d be thrilled.

I think Kris has the odds stacked against him as far as the media goes regardless of what he does or does not say. They are clearly in Adam’s corner and have pretty much declared him not only superior to every other AI contestant that has ever existed, but to pretty much every other musician working today. Rolling Stone is the worst but most other venues have fallen into lockstep. Kris can’t fight against that and it has a lot of potential to blow up in a bad way, because it’s literally impossible to live up to these kinds of expectations. And I do feel bad for people who have become megastars like Daughtry, Carrie, and Kelly who are basically being shrugged off. To say that Adam is the only legitimate rock star to emerged out of Idol is a huge slap in the face to Cook and Daughtry. It’s as if selling lots of records doesn’t matter anymore and the only thing that counts is hype.

I do recall misleading headlines the other time around – in fact notoriously one tabloid headline that declared that AI producers didn’t think Cook had enough charisma to succeed. It was one statement by Nigel that was twisted around and included Archie but the headline was very bad and made it into print media. I don’t think that compares to the stuff Kris has had to deal with but the media is just so out of control when it comes to Adam, and Kris may get the brunt of it, but it seems the other Idol alumni are getting a lot of this stuff, too.

The Greatest Person That Has Ever Lived spin needs to stop ASAP.

Um…exactly how is Kris coming across as “green?” He simply said he wasn’t used to co-writing songs, and hadn’t known what to do at first. But now he’s much more comfortale with that. He has said in every interview that he thinks the album is going well. Obviously, until there’s a finished product, no one is going to be sure how good it is. But he doesn’t come off as if he’s lost or has no input. In fact, it sounds like he has just as much input as Adam does on his album. In fact, of the two, it’s probably Adam who will end up with fewer solo writing credits. Kris has said he’s doing a lot of writing on his own — has Adam said the same thing? Kris has also said he isn’ going to put out anything he’s not comfortable with…so I sincerely doubt he’s letting 19/Jive dictate all that much to him. Still, his experience as a professional musician is limited, so he does need to at least listen to their input.

Meanwhile did something happen with Danny? Some odd tweets just popped up from some of the other idols:

kris:

@dannygokey is my friend21 minutes ago from TwitterFon

matt:

@KrisAllen4Real Hey @dannygokey is also a great friend of mine! He’s fun!19 minutes ago from web in reply to KrisAllen4Real

Anoop:

@KrisAllen4Real @MGiraudOfficial No way, guys! You know @dannygokey is my cousin, right?!17 minutes ago from TwitterFon

ok…so did something happen to/with Danny? Or are the guys just totally bored and being their usual dorky selves making random tweets???

I was also wondering why the sudden spate of Gokey tweets by the Idol boys. Fallout from the Steph M&G thing? I can’t see any indication of what this is, unless it’s just plain goofing around — in front of thousands of tweeters.

plus, the media doesnt care about confidence’ ¦.that angle doesnt sell. how many articles have you seen that talk about a star’s confidence?

When I talk about confidence, I mean in the product that they will eventually be selling. That WILL come into play when it comes time to promote the product they need to sell. Ask any sales person, enthusiasm about what you’re selling REALLY helps. I’m just saying that right now Kris seems unsure about the direction things are going in. And Adam seems to be bouncing off the walls with excitement. And, personally, I find that excitement contagious!

Truthiness Aug 12th, 2009 at 2:26 pm

Everything I’ve read so far gives the impression the Kris is totally unsure of himself and the work he’s doing.

I disagree. I don’t think Kris is sounding unsure, I just think he’s just holding it close to the vest. I also think that he’s trying not to raise expectations, and I for one, am all for that. In fact I wish Adam would take a page from Kris’s book there. It’s also that Kris is working with people seem to also keep things closer to the vest than the people that Adam works with. Which is kind of funny that is more in keeping with each of their personalities. But I don’t see Kris as unsure or weak. I think he is very clear in what he’s doing and seems to be deliberative in crafting a good album that’s going to be something close to who he is and what he wants his sound to be. Welll as much as the crappy 19 machine will let him. But that goes without saying.

That could be ONE interpretation of the silence.

Personally, I think it speaks VOLUMES that the people Adam is working with are SO excited they feel the need to talk about it every chance they get. Many of them seem particularly Twitter happy. p

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lysuDwGjP_Y

Here’s a radio interview on the tube dated today. Adam’s gives some insight on his album towards the end.

‘I don’t really know because I have never done this before’  Now, he talks about not knowing what to do in a co-writing session.

IIRC, DC talked last year about the co-writing being a whole new experience for him-at least w/ established artists. Kris is just saying the same thing in a different way. He is going to be fine.

I guess I’m a little confused about the continued back and forth about whether or not Adam’s a true rocker when (I’m pretty sure) he’s stated that that is not the genre he’s headed for, at least not overall. Artist’s, media, etc. can say what they want, but I’ve never heard Adam say his genre is rock. Of course his fans may know differently.

From the way Adam is describing his album it sounds like there is going to be very little “pure” rock on it. More dance/pop/electronic stuff. There may be one or two cuts that are out-and-out rock, but that doesn’t appear to be the direction Adam wants to go, at least not on this first album.

This is my favorite part of Part 4 of the Ultimate Interview:

And now you’re recording your debut album. What is your vision for your first record?

I want to do pop-rock electronic, like dance rock. I want it to be rock and roll, a nod to all the ’60s and ’70s rock that I love, the classic and the glam rock, but with a very current, futuristic sensibility for dance floors. I want people to have fun. I don’t want to sound like I have this social cause, but I think that music in the ’70s was so cool because it was about partying. It was about bringing people together and celebrating and not about all this dark sad [stuff]. I want to bring back the fun stuff. I want to bring people together and get them to dance and smile and feel sexy and celebrate our similarities, not our differences..

I hope Adam succeeds with this. I think we could use for fun, sexy music. And maybe it is just the hope of recapturing some of the joy, celebration of life and belief that everything will be great that existed in the ’60′s and 70′s that makes some of us “not so young” Adam fans so excited about him.

@Stephhhx3:

# I love the people that tell me to stop complaining. The idols were fine! Of course with exception of Danny. I had fun and thats all……
31 minutes ago from web

# that matters. But I am aloud to express what I feel and if anyone knew the whole story you might just agree with me.
30 minutes ago from web

# Can I also say that Kris Allen, Megan Joy, & Adam Lambert are the most AMAZING people ever
26 minutes ago from web

girlygirl, I wondered the same thing about Kris’ tweet. Did Danny get some bad news from his label prospects, or was Kris just being his usual ‘King of Totally Random Tweets’?

ETA: Thanks, ozarka. That is probably what triggered the Danny love fest. It’s just like Sarver said, attacking one is like attacking all 10. Gotta love them for that.

I wouldn’t take too much from who is talking about collaborating with the AI8ers. Last summer, we saw more “I am collaborating with DC!” stuff from folks whose work didn’t end up on the record. (Such as one Kara DioGuardi. Heh.) While DC talked about collaborating with Raine Maida, I don’t recall any quotes or tweets or such from Raine about it until the time that DCTR came out, but then he was highly complimentary, and later popped up in that hilarious golf video with DC and Rob Cavallo, and had DC on-stage at a concert.

(not that there’s anything wrong with that, TM John Stewart).

I’m afraid that’s “not that there’s anything wrong with that, TM Jerry Sienfeld. It’s from “The Outing” episode. Feb. 11, 1993

Whether Adam was a rocker before and during AI isn’t very important in my opinion. It’s what his new album will be like that is, and we can only make assumptions until we have heard it.
It’s the same for Kris and Allison. All three album will be variations of pop rock, and we need to remember that they will be 19 releases so keep how fingers crossed that they will have some kind of edge.

Hehe, I remember this cycle well from last summer. Angst for single, angst how single is doing, angst for album, get snippets from album and angst about them, get whole album and angst about album sales… it’s exhausting, and another reason why I didn’t have the energy to get super invested in anyone on AI8. I have several that I like and I’m hoping their albums are good enough to make me buy ‘em!

Also, while Adam is overshadowing everyone and everything on this tour, it’s not like Kris isn’t getting noticed. He’s doing a lot of interviews, he did the GMA Concert, etc. It’s not like the media is totally ignoring him. And the crowds have given him lots of love. And it’s not like the music media is going to simply ignore Kris’ single and album when they drop. I have hope that they won’t compare these to what Adam comes out with — but will judge these on their own merits. It’s not like anyone expects Kris’ and Adam’s stuff to sound the same, so hopefully once their solo stuff drops any comparisons will be negliable. Kris may not be able to ever totally escape Adam’s shadow and the comparisons, but I believe that once they are away from the Idol bubble, these things will at least taper off. I don’t see David Archuleta and David Cook get compared in the media much — except perhaps in terms of sales.

Yeah, I don’t get any sense at all that Kris is unsure of himself or the work he is doing. He admitted that he never did co-writing sessions before because he was used to writing his own songs, by himself. He admitted that he thought his album was going well, but, that he had never recorded one for a label before, and so, he kept asking the label if it was going well, and that they told him that it was, in fact, going great. He admitted that he and Adam both bounce ideas off each other because both have found the process of having someone else give feedback and critique is productive. He has also said that he will not compromise on the lyrics of his songs, and that he has really grown to appreciate the collaborative process of co-writing, and that he was pretty sure that No Boundaries, the craptastic “winner’s single” would NOT be on his album. To me, this sounds like someone who is very sure of what he is doing musically, while acknowledging that the music industry process is new to him, and one that he is learning as he goes. And that’s’ great in my book.

also don’t Kris is doing himself any favors by coming across as a ‘green’  singer. In one interview, he said that he thought things were going well with his album, ‘at least that is what they tell me’ , and ‘I don’t really know because I have never done this before’  Now, he talks about not knowing what to do in a co-writing session. Add that to getting help from Adam, he is beginning to sound like he doesn’t have a clue. The media will definitely pick up on that lack of confidence in the industry. Even if all those things are true, I probably wouldn’t keep repeating the same theme.

I may not feel as strongly about the above, but I do agree to some extent. I think it would be helpful if Kris talked a little bit more about what his album would sound like – be more descriptive. Show excitement. I’m not an outwardly demonstrative person, so I know this is a challenge. Now, more than ever, it is time Kris plays it up. He doesn’t have to act like a kid in a candy store & be OTT. I soooo agree that Kris is a great guy and wonderfully humble & time has allowed AI viewers the ability to see this. The new buyer doesn’t know this side of him. He needs to make to most of his sound bytes. I want to see the same fire & passion in his interviews that he exhibits on stage.

plus, the media doesnt care about confidence’ ¦.that angle doesnt sell. how many articles have you seen that talk about a star’s confidence? unless it is related to a drug addiction or weight issue? so unless we see kris hanging out w. mischa barton, i think its safe to say his confidence is intact LOL

I agree confidence is rarely a topic per se. However the media, just like people, are naturally drawn to others that exhibit confidence. It would be immeasurably more helpful if Kris would bring that inward confidence out.

JasenKaplan: @adamlambert I am excited for the shoot tomorrow! i got the UV make up and cant wait to ROCK IT OUT! YAY! xoxo

Holy heart failure, Batman!

FolkFan Aug 12th, 2009 at 2:40 pm

I wouldn’t take too much from who is talking about collaborating with the AI8ers. Last summer, we saw more ‘I am collaborating with DC!’  stuff from folks whose work didn’t end up on the record.

True, some of the stuff might not make it onto Adam’s album. But that’s not the point I was making. The POINT I was making is that Adam’s collaborators seem genuinely EXCITED to work with him. So much so that they’re talking to the press and Tweeting non-stop about the work they did or are about to do with him.

I think someone like Adam gets their creative juices flowing since he seems to be up for anything and likes to stretch and push boundaries.

When did adam talk about a ballad?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qP0p4lkBRj4&feature=channel

: @adamlambert I am excited for the shoot tomorrow! i got the UV make up and cant wait to ROCK IT OUT! YAY! xoxo

Ultra Violet?

(not that there’s anything wrong with that, TM John Stewart).

Uh oh. With due respect to Mr. Stewart (love him), didn’t that line originally come from Seinfeld?

ETA: How am I that slow that Sparkles beat me to this sooo many posts up? Oh well, leaving it up for Seinfeld solidarity

OMG, he was the one who said TOML wasn’t good enough to be played in a bar! He’s THAT guy. I just can’t get upset over every article that doesn’t love (or even like) Cook, including this one. BUT, his list makes more sense now. Hilarious!

Ha! Oh that guy?? Magic rainbow being played in bars? Of course not. Luckily it was good enough to be played on the Olympics and performed on Oprah though :laugh_tb: Those beat the hell out of bars!

Touche’ :wink_wp:

The reporter in the byline is never responsible for the headline or the subheadlines. The editorial staff are responsible, always.

Why is he even responding?.Does he value his favour on a few Idol blogs over his job in general, if he works for MTv that is.

Doesnt seem like something he should even be addressing directly..”Oh hey, its not me, its the other guy..(in the same company i worked for) that did it”

Its a silly title, in a long line of silly titles of various articles that MTV and other popular entertainment media outlets propagate…..much ado about nothing

Squirrely Aug 12th, 2009 at 2:52 pm

: @adamlambert I am excited for the shoot tomorrow! i got the UV make up and cant wait to ROCK IT OUT! YAY! xoxo

Ultra Violet?

Yeah, I googled it and came up with this link:

http://www.uvgear.co.uk/product/uvbodypaint.htm

Looks like glow in the dark neon colors. Should be interesting to say the least!

Why is he even responding?.Does he value his favour on a few Idol blogs over his job in general, if he works for MTv that is.

Probably because he doesn’t want to be inundated with hate mail. It must be irritating when your mail box fills up that way.

JasenKaplan: @adamlambert I am excited for the shoot tomorrow! i got the UV make up and cant wait to ROCK IT OUT! YAY! xoxo

Excited and Nervous :jittery_tb:

I am so ashamed of my local newspaper San Jose Mercury News because of Jim Harrington. I was completely done with this newpaper since his AI 7 tour review was posted last summer.

That could be ONE interpretation of the silence.

Personally, I think it speaks VOLUMES that the people Adam is working with are SO excited they feel the need to talk about it every chance they get. Many of them seem particularly Twitter happy. p

I think it was clear from the interview Kris did with Jim, as well as Kris’s general penchant for secrecy, that Jive and/or Kris are doing a lot to try to keep a lot of the specifics of what Kris is doing under wraps. There have been some very strategic leaks, but, that’s it. I would interpret a lot of the people doing all their talking and tweeting about working with Adam as people looking to get as much buzz and publicity for themselves as possible.

Anyone who has actually been directly asked in a media interview about working with Kris, like Joe King from the Fray, has had nothing but good things to say about Kris.

LOL….Adam is on an Idol alum top 10 list simply because of his “potential”? LMAO. That’s a laugh. A laugh, and incredibly stupid.

I guess tangible success > “ZOMG Pauler says you’re gonna be the next sensation!”

Credibility FAIL.

New article on David Cook: http://wvgazette.com/Entertainment/gazzevents/200908120520

Alex (Wagner-Trugman) has gotten in on the Danny twitterlove:

@anoopdoggdesai @mgiraudofficial @krisallen4real did you know @dannygokey has laser vision like Cyclops? thats why he always wears glasses.19 minutes ago from web

@anoopdoggdesai so yeah, hes not just your cousin, hes a friggin x-man.18 minutes ago from web

I guess I’m a little confused about the continued back and forth about whether or not Adam’s a true rocker when (I’m pretty sure) he’s stated that that is not the genre he’s headed for, at least not overall.

My impression is that Adam doesn’t want to be cemented to any specific style. He has clearly succeeded performing a variety of genres, ranging from R&B to hard rock. As far as the whole rock debate, in my opinion, if a performer repeatedly gets good response and professional reviews doing rock, as Adam has, he’s obviously capable of that genre. Adam has stressed in interviews, however, that he doesn’t want his music to be lumped into any specific category–that by performing a variety of styles, marketing options are expanded. I forget his exact wording, but he addressed this a bit on one of the Idolatry segments with Michael Slezak.

I truly think Adam will be successful in the business, and I think it’s his ability to do virtually anything that will make him a success. To me, he was exciting on the show because we never knew what to expect, and I think that fun suspense will continue throughout his career as we eagerly anticipate what each new performance or recording might bring. The music business has gotten really boring, IMO, particularly in terms of male performers, and one thing Adam never seems to be is BORING!

I would interpret a lot of the people doing all their talking and tweeting about working with Adam as people looking to get as much buzz and publicity for themselves as possible.

Maybe. But also, they wouldn’t be doing that if they weren’t aware of all the excitement and interest in Adam by the media and the general public. I’m sure that’s part of it. But I also think they’re excited to be working with him as well.

Washpd: who has actually been directly asked in a media interview about working with Kris, like Joe King from the Fray, has had nothing but good things to say about Kris.

Yep. Maybe MTV has heard really good things about Kris’ songs. If they thought they stunk, I doubt they would be associating Adam’s name with them.

RE: Twitters

Those boys are too much. Why don’t they go put on a show or something.

i got the UV make up and cant wait to ROCK IT OUT! YAY!

UV makeup is a heavy theater type makeup that reacts to black lights. Those of you over 40, remember having a black light and those psychedelic posters? heh

http://www.uvgear.co.uk/product/uvbodypaint.htm

Looks like glow in the dark neon colors. Should be interesting to say the least!

Well I don’t really know what to think about this, but I am intrigued.

Angst for single, angst how single is doing, angst for album, get snippets from album and angst about them, get whole album and angst about album sales’ ¦ it’s exhausting

tierbee, I am with you. I was almost gonna get professional help for my anxiety when David Cook’s first single dropped last Sept.

Apologies if this is repeated info, can’t always keep up!

Ryan’s radio producer, Natalie, tweeted this:

NegativeNatalie Hmmm victoria beckham on our flight to boston….hmmm! We are going for idol….she must be too! Interesting!!

As Ryan mentioned yesterday that Katy Perry was out (scheduling conflicts), this would fit if they are holding to a 4 judge panel.

I was also wondering why the sudden spate of Gokey tweets by the Idol boys. Fallout from the Steph M&G thing? I can’t see any indication of what this is, unless it’s just plain goofing around ‘” in front of thousands of tweeters.

Wouldn’t surprise me if it’s a new game the Idols play. Put out some cryptic Twitters potentially implying something bad and wait to see how long it takes before the Internet hordes have gone nuts with speculation.

I’d guess the time is about .. 20 minutes, actually.

Holy heart failure, Batman!

Hehehehehe

New article on David Cook: http://wvgazette.com/Entertainment/gazzevents/200908120520

“He offers a few words of advice to those trying out or who might be thinking of giving “American Idol” a shot.

“Don’t try to be,” he said. “Just be. Everybody seems to think there’s a formula to make it. For me, I had no expectations. I just went in, did what I do and it worked out. Just go and be yourself.

This is exactly why DC will always be my favorite idol.

@Stephhhx3 = waste of oxygen

I’m betting that Kris was experiencing a bit of a culture clash once Idol was over. All of a sudden he was living outside of “the bubble” in cool, callous LA, working with lots of ultra cool, majorly successful industry people. He seems to have found himself again but there was a while there where he was wearing the knitted cap with some attitude and talking about all drinks (hard) tasting good. It seemed a bit awkward and out of character. And I was hoping that it wasn’t the tip of an iceberg. Of course, I could be reeeeeeallly wrong. Perhaps he’s always been more of a cool, hard drinking dude than he seemed to be at first. But, no, to me it looks like the real Kris has appeared or re- appeared in those bubble tweets (with all of his own natural charm, humor and genuine coolness intact). Except that he still doesn’t quite know what to say about himself in some of those interviews.

great to hear Kris and Adam being sounding boards for each other!

SELF magazine, what a pile of doo doo……

Big difference between shaving off 30 pounds and covering up a zit. Oprah oughta know.

Love Lady GaGa’s cover on Billboard though, check out her LAVENDER wig, bwah.

So that Steph girl wanted Danny to sign her Adam poster and he refused. That’s what all of the fuss on twitter was about? And she starts tweeting that he’s and a**hole, and that the idols are jerks? I think there are some entitlement issues here.

That’s why I usually stay away from tweeter, and I’m glad that David Cook does too.

@adamlambert I am excited for the shoot tomorrow! i got the UV make up and cant wait to ROCK IT OUT! YAY! xoxo

Wow, sounds, um…. neon! Maybe he’ll top Blake for most hideous album cover from an Idol.

Omg I Loooove @alexwtrugs I don’t have a twitter so I usually google @krisallen4real and then click on random twitters from there. Other than the top 10 the only twitters I like at are some ontd_ai, perez Hilton sometimes ( even though I hate him), and alexwtrugs.

Um’ ¦exactly how is Kris coming across as ‘green?’ 

JMO but Kris has been very open about how the entire process of putting together this record is new to him. And why shouldn’t it be? — He’s doing a major label album for the first time. My guess is Kris is new to this but he’s really smart and will get it. I particularly liked this section from the MTV interview:

so it’s happening,” he said. “To be honest, at first it was hard, because they stuck me in these co-writing sessions, and I was like, ‘I’ve never done this before.’ It was weird. I’d get in there, and I’d be like ‘I don’t know what to do. … I’m sorry.’ But I’ve gotten used to it, and it’s good to bounce ideas off each other, and so I’ve been writing a lot with other people, and writing some stuff on my own too.”

Kris always does better than people expect. And he’ll probably do it again with his album.

So it makes sense to me that a guy with Adam’s pipes and looks and persona would get frustrated and look to invent a new path’“why not? There’s no particular reason a theater guy can’t invade the pop world and score. Just find it funny how much in AI world that theater background is so, as it were, Scorned!

I guess it’s only OK to go from Idol to musical theater, and not the other way!! LOL

..but I’ve never heard Adam say his genre is rock. Of course his fans may know differently.

He has consistently talked about being a multi-genre artist but always included rock on the list of genres.

From the way Adam is describing his album it sounds like there is going to be very little ‘pure’  rock on it. More dance/pop/electronic stuff. There may be one or two cuts that are out-and-out rock, but that doesn’t appear to be the direction Adam wants to go, at least not on this first album.

I can’t think of a recent “rock & roll” or “pure rock” hit. So why would Adam go that direction? I expect an album with a mix of genres but sure hope it doesn’t have any old school style rock retreads. That basically what Taylor Hicks and Bo did — and look how successful that was.

Angst for single, angst how single is doing, angst for album, get snippets from album and angst about them, get whole album and angst about album sales’ ¦ it’s exhausting

lol. this is my first time through the process and so far I’m just feeling lots of excitement for Adam and no angst. I’m excited that he’s excited. I’m excited to see what actually ends up on the CD. And I’m really excited by some of the people he’s working with. I’m looking forward to both the single and the CD and don’t feel worried at all. I believe that Adam is happy to have this chance and is fully embracing every moment of this production process so why shouldn’t I?

Those of you over 40, remember having a black light and those psychedelic posters? heh

Soooooo I’m not saying I still have a black light and a few posters but would it be weird if I did? :unsure_tb:

I haven’t read all the posts here yet so this may have been mentioned, sorry if it has. But…. .Most everyone says Adam and Kris’ music is SO different that you really can’t compare the two, but yet both Adam and Kris bounce ideas off each other and listen to each others tracks. I wouldn’t think that either one of them would be qualified to give sound advice to each other given the fact that their taste and style of music is so different.

Adams’ album doesn’t sound like it’s going to be old school rock. Perhaps “rock” has changed over the years and is not what it used to be. I hope so, because I hope at 17 Allison won’t be singing about sex and drugs. I hope she’ll be getting age appropriate material. And no, I don’t mean Miley Cyrus/Disney.

I am so excited about the uv makeup!

Soooooo I’m not saying I still have a black light and a few posters but would it be weird if I did?

LOL – not at all. It’s making a come back so go dig them out of the basement people.

i got the UV make up and cant wait to ROCK IT OUT! YAY!

UV makeup is a heavy theater type makeup that reacts to black lights. Those of you over 40, remember having a black light and those psychedelic posters? heh
# 232 Squirrely Aug 12th, 2009 at 3:05 pm

Looks like glow in the dark neon colors. Should be interesting to say the least!

Well I don’t really know what to think about this, but I am intrigued.

OMG. The mind races. … :gulp_ee: :shock_tb: :ponder_tb:

lol. this is my first time through the process and so far I’m just feeling lots of excitement for Adam and no angst. I’m excited that he’s excited.

jms, that is a good thing. But just wait until things get rolling… there will be *lots* of angst. If not here, on the fanboards. You get to care about these kids (sometimes a bit too much), and you are invested in them and want them to succeed… and sometimes that makes you worry way too much. Kudos to you if you can enjoy it all angst-free! I had my moment where I stepped back and realized that worrying was taking away my enjoyment of David and his music… and me worrying wasn’t going to change a thing. So now I just sit back and have fun with it . WAY better that way!

Q3 Aug 12th, 2009 at 3:14 pm

Kris always does better than people expect. And he’ll probably do it again with his album.

Very true. He’s a master at keeping people’s expectation oh so very low about him that when he comes out with something decent people are impressed.

The fact that reporters or critics don’t put the headlines on their work and yet get blamed for them is nothing new. A good old story is that a theater reviewer of some renown had cards printed that said “I don’t write the headlines” and handed them out every time he got a complaint. I hardly think that person was too sensitive or pandering to one blog or anything else. He just got tired of hearing that particular complaint. And, no, I’ve never written a headline on over a thousand theater reviews.

Rent was the last really contemporary hit musical and that’s almost 15 years ago (yikes!).

Although I think you may mean “contemporary setting” by contemporary, I would personally call “Spring Awakening” a contemporary hit musical because of the rock score. It’s a lot more like rock than “Rent” IMO. “Legally Blonde,” “Avenue Q,” “Urinetown,” “Billy Elliot,” “In the Heights,” “Passing Strange,” “25th Annual Putnam County Spelling Bee,” “Next to Normal,” “Dirty Rotten Scoundrels,” and I’m sure others that I’m forgetting (like “Altar Boyz,” off-Broadway) also feature new scores and contemporary settings and have enjoyed a good deal of success. Plus “Spider Man,” “The Addams Family” and “Memphis” are scheduled to hit Broadway this season and “Memphis,” at least, is supposed to feature a rock score (as well as dancer Danny Tidwell, which is very good news.) Farther down the line, we may just see the new musical based on the film “Once,” from which Kris Allen performed the song “Falling Slowly.” I’d love to see that one on Broadway.

Whether Adam was a rocker before and during AI isn’t very important in my opinion. It’s what his new album will be like that is, and we can only make assumptions until we have heard it.
It’s the same for Kris and Allison. All three album will be variations of pop rock, and we need to remember that they will be 19 releases so keep how fingers crossed that they will have some kind of edge.

This. It will be luck or perhaps an oversight by 19, that allows some real artistry (Kara!) to somehow make it through the process. And yeah, I expect some variations of bland pop rock whatever, from all three.

it’s not like Kris isn’t getting noticed. He’s doing a lot of interviews, he did the GMA Concert, etc. It’s not like the media is totally ignoring him. And the crowds have given him lots of love. And it’s not like the music media is going to simply ignore Kris’ single and album when they drop

Also this! Kris has gotten tons of interviews on the big time shows that Adam hasn’t gotten, and continues to do tons of press, is getting good response on the road from the crowds. And yeah, he’s going to be fully supported by the 19 machine to promote him and his record, later on and the media will report it. I think Kris has been doing just fine in the media and will continue to do so.

I was also wondering why the sudden spate of Gokey tweets by the Idol boys. Fallout from the Steph M&G thing? I can’t see any indication of what this is, unless it’s just plain goofing around ‘” in front of thousands of tweeters.

The story is that Danny wouldn’t sign what was primarily a Kradam poster although the top 10 were on the poster too at the bottom. When a little boy took it to him again he still refused to sign it or give the boy an autograph at all because he didn’t say “please” which made the kid cry.

Maybe Danny didn’t see that he was on the poster too and was annoyed by the Kradam thing. He should probably take a few lessons from Sarver who apparently happily signs whatever people put in front of him and has won over a lot of fans at the barricades with his kindness.

Katy is out and more Posh is slated? Oh! Oh no! No offense to British posters but … I maintain with steadfastness … that Beckams should only be seen and never heard.

Good Day LA coverage of the Hard Rock/pants donation. Damn that shirt is hot :tongue3_tb:

From the way Adam is describing his album it sounds like there is going to be very little ‘pure’  rock on it. More dance/pop/electronic stuff. There may be one or two cuts that are out-and-out rock, but that doesn’t appear to be the direction Adam wants to go, at least not on this first album.

ITA – it really is a moot point to argue the rock/”poser” rock issue. He’s never said he wants to be a rocker. Even on AI, he never put himself in that niche, hence the fact that he mixed it up from week to week (as opposed to, say, Daughtry, who clearly tried to do everything in more of a rock style, regardless of theme week). Adam’s style, as he describes it, is a rock-pop fusion.

Even wondering whether he’ll be played on rock radio seems pointless – even “rock” groups to come out of idol (like Daughtry and Cook) struggle to get rock radio airplay.

As far as Kris and confidence go, I can see both sides. Yes, he does come across as “green” in these interviews…but so what…he IS green, right? everyone has to learn the ropes. It’s just OJT, I think people would expect that. The part that bothers me somewhat is that he and his collaborators do seem a little less than enthusiastic. Adam’s “team” does seem excited…that is a good sign. Although he probably doesn’t need it (at least for the first album). His name on it alone will cause it to fly off the shelves (so to speak).

Does the lack of enthusiasm from Kris’s corner mean anything bad? Who knows? I remember just about every week after seeing the spoilers, thinking, “Oh God, this is gonna SUCK so bad!” Then I would think “Hey that wasn’t bad.” Then after listening back to it, I would find myself humming the tune all day….so who knows. The strange thing with Kris is that everything always seemed to be an accident. During the competition, he seemed so non-committal about everything…”Well, don’t know…I might try this….hope people like it.” (said with an “Eeyore” voice)Then after listening to what seemed initially like a case of being lucky, you could tell a lot of work and thought went into it.

I hope this is just his usual M.O., the songs will be wonderful in that case, most likely. If he really IS that unenthusiastic and “meh” about the album,…then I don’t know what to say. I just hope it’s not the typical AI/19 sappy mush.

I agree confidence is rarely a topic per se. However the media, just like people, are naturally drawn to others that exhibit confidence. It would be immeasurably more helpful if Kris would bring that inward confidence out.

very true. this explains why Paris Hilton and those Pratt kids from the Hills are so popular (unfortunately).

Kris always does better than people expect. And he’ll probably do it again with his album.

Absolutely. The path Kris is taking– not overhyping his music– will work out very well as long as his album is good, and I think it will be. And if Kris does a David Cook, kind of grassroots building up of his fanbase outside of Idol, that’s his best chance for longevity instead of being a one hit wonder.

Angst for single, angst how single is doing, angst for album, get snippets from album and angst about them, get whole album and angst about album sales’ ¦ it’s exhausting

It is kind of stressful, isn’t it? It’s my first time around too, and I’m trying not to let the sky high expectations or hype get to me. It’s scary how the vast majority of Idol alumni fail, but there’s no point stressing over things I can’t change. Or at least that’s what I tell myself.

Soooooo I’m not saying I still have a black light and a few posters but would it be weird if I did?

Does BEP use UV makeup in this video?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f_2rrxONlLo

Good Day LA coverage of the Hard Rock/pants donation.

Thanks for bringing that over, Trina! Hello, peek-a-boo tattoo . I don’t know why I like that cheesy pose for the camera smile so much, he is just like a big kid. Though nothing quite beats a full out laugh from him

Gah, the pantz thread put me in fangirl mode! Help!

I maintain with steadfastness ‘ ¦ that Beckams should only be seen and never heard.

Haha, YES! Especially Mr. Becks. I would like to gaze at him without hearing his silly little voice, please

The story is that Danny wouldn’t sign what was primarily a Kradam poster although the top 10 were on the poster too at the bottom. When a little boy took it to him again he still refused to sign it or give the boy an autograph at all because he didn’t say ‘please’  which made the kid cry.

Can you give the link of the picture.The girl that tweeted all the horse shit never said any of that on her twitter.Today she has backed off every thing she said but danny.She is a kradam fan i would think the danny hate is deep in her.

I also think that Kris is helped by the fact that everyone seems to like him as a person. Even if they aren’t into his music, they like him. Jim at MTV obviously likes him (and his music), Michael Slezak loves him (and his music) and even the people at RS (who are so-so on his music) have written a couple of nice short pieces on him.

That is a big advantage when it comes to dealing with the media once he starts his solo career.

rockvixen
Aug 12th, 2009 at 2:35 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lysuDwGjP_Y

Here’s a radio interview on the tube dated today. Adam’s gives some insight on his album towards the end.

This is one of the best Adam interviews so far — the part about theatricality and the album — after 5:00 was very interesting.

So the album will be pop, rock, dance ..
There are a couple of songs that have that 80′s hairmetal sign-along feel and a ballad about vulnerability.

Well unless RCA stops this — it sounds like Adam is really putting together a multi-genre album.

I can’t think of a recent ‘rock & roll’  or ‘pure rock’  hit. So why would Adam go that direction? I expect an album with a mix of genres but sure hope it doesn’t have any old school style rock retreads. That basically what Taylor Hicks and Bo did ‘” and look how successful that was.

I agree. The description of Adam’s album (as not wanting to be pigeonholed to any particular genre) definitely reminded me of Taylor’s vision of his first major-label album.

I think he referred to his all-encompassing genre as “whomp”…or something like that.

Wow, our UV makeup guy JasenKaplan is certainly an incessant tweeter and fanboi of Adam (neither of which I mind t’all):

RT @VALENTIIINA1: @JasenKaplan Adam Lambert is what happens when sex turns human. (I had to re-tweet this!) Love it

@Lambrina01 of COURSE i will! I am goingt to give you all the inside scoop! If adam says its ok of course (im sure he will)

@glamchicks i am super excited to get adam glamed up! hes so sexy!

@AdamLambertNews I cant wait to rock out adam tomorrow! ill twit pic for you whatever he lets me xoxo

@ashtash oh i wont post anything he wont let me! but im sure there will be some behind the scenes action. tweeting is fun lol

@Nicole_b86 yes its the cover shoot. I will be happy to post anything he lets me yay!

@lularulz this is the best way for me to show you http://www.kryolan.com/en/i...

Not sure if the last one has to do with Adam and the uv makeup but it does lead to a page with some very colorful –and sparkly–makeup.

” ‘SURVIVOR: The Music Industry’  ”

I didn’t read this whole thread yet, but I think that the above quote relates to more than just AI. Adam probably needs to use the same strategy post-Idol, and feel out what will make him stand out, what works and what doesn’t, (which he says that he did on the show and is doing on the current tour), and how to best use his talents and still make a living in the entertainment industry.

I don’t think that it’s being a “poser” to be open to a variety of genres. Some of my favorites, (like Elvis Costello), seem to genuinely love a variety of genres, and their music reflects that. Wrong Elvis when talking about the Elvis hair, LOL, but I think that there are some similarities. Both do a range of styles, (and in both cases, not always successfully), both seem to have a strategy in their careers, (maybe EC less so these days? but in the early days, I think he definitely did), and with both you’re never sure what you’re going to get, (which makes it more interesting, IMO). And, I think in EC’s case, it has given him longevity in the music industry that he wouldn’t have had otherwise. I hope that Adam’s career will be as successful and last as long.

Artist’s, media, etc. can say what they want, but I’ve never heard Adam say his genre is rock. Of course his fans may know differently.

I thought the discussion was; is he a poser or not (not if he is a true rocker or not)?

deez Aug 12th, 2009 at 3:23 pm

As far as Kris and confidence go, I can see both sides. Yes, he does come across as ‘green’  in these interviews’ ¦but so what’ ¦he IS green, right? everyone has to learn the ropes. It’s just OJT, I think people would expect that. The part that bothers me somewhat is that he and his collaborators do seem a little less than enthusiastic. Adam’s ‘team’  does seem excited’ ¦that is a good sign. Although he probably doesn’t need it (at least for the first album). His name on it alone will cause it to fly off the shelves (so to speak).

Does the lack of enthusiasm from Kris’s corner mean anything bad? Who knows? I remember just about every week after seeing the spoilers, thinking, ‘Oh God, this is gonna SUCK so bad!’  Then I would think ‘Hey that wasn’t bad.’  Then after listening back to it, I would find myself humming the tune all day’ ¦.so who knows. The strange thing with Kris is that everything always seemed to be an accident. During the competition, he seemed so non-committal about everything’ ¦’ Well, don’t know’ ¦I might try this’ ¦.hope people like it.’  (said with an ‘Eeyore’  voice)Then after listening to what seemed initially like a case of being lucky, you could tell a lot of work and thought went into it.

I hope this is just his usual M.O., the songs will be wonderful in that case, most likely. If he really IS that unenthusiastic and ‘meh’  about the album,’ ¦then I don’t know what to say. I just hope it’s not the typical AI/19 sappy mush.

THIS. See you get what I’m saying. Kris is giving off the impression that he’s too green and unsure. Which MAY or may not be on purpose. Part of me thinks that was his strategy on AI – keep expectations low so he can fly under the radar. But I do think he worked hard and put a lot of thought into he was doing while on the show.

I’M just saying, that while that strategy might have worked on AI, I’m not so sure if it’s going to fly out in the “real world” so to speak. It’s a whole different ball game.

ballad about vulnerability.

I hope this is something he is writing with his pre-Idol LA friends. Something like this has to be written with heart, not churned out of a hit machine. Adam’s friends are more likely to give him their best work, too. *crosses fingers*

Also, I don’t think sky high expectations will hurt Adam. I’m thinking in terms of the non-Idol world again– overhyping is the only way they’ll hear about him at all, and give his music a try. All of the Top 40 type artists continually overhype their music, and people learn to just take “it’s dope, it’s going great” as “hopefully good.” And for longevity, that’s the world that matters. (Longevity is to me as artisty is to Kara.)

Right now, the press attention for AI seems to be centered on 1) Paula and 2) Simon, with Kelly and her magic weight-loss cover coming in third. At this point, I’m guessing that Adam will have to fall off-stage (a la Steven Tyler), claim paternity of one of Michael Jackson’s kids or start shouting about death panels and Sarah Palin to get the lion’s share of the spotlight away from Paula.

suebrody
Aug 12th, 2009 at 11:02 am
Adam is a POSER? He said he wanted to stand out, and experiment, and he did. He was a rocker (WLL, BTBW, SR), but also showed other sides of himself (ToMT, MW, IICHY, etc.). And this seemed to work pretty well for him, did it not?

Yes, it worked for him. He is a bit like a magician who reveals how the trick was done after the show, got to love his honesty…

. I’m just saying that right now Kris seems unsure about the direction things are going in. And Adam seems to be bouncing off the walls with excitement. And, personally, I find that excitement contagious!

LOL, you just basically described their personalities….thats kris, laid back, doesnt show too much excitement….adam is adam, he gets excited over his tour jacket. two diff type of people. I cant compare adam’s responses in interviews to kris’ and conclude that Kris is unsure bc he doesn respond the way Adam does to questions.

Steph did mention last night that Gokey made her little brother cry, so maybe that is the little boy.

Not sure what to make of all this, but I’m an unabashed Gokey detractor anyway so of course I tend to believe this. :tongue_laugh_ee:Still, even it is is true I suspect that this was more attributable to Gokey’s inability to function with any finesse in the world and not some sort of mean-spiritedness.

Also, I don’t think sky high expectations will hurt Adam. I’m thinking in terms of the non-Idol world again’“ overhyping is the only way they’ll hear about him at all, and give his music a try. All of the Top 40 type artists continually overhype their music, and people learn to just take ‘it’s dope, it’s going great’  as ‘hopefully good.’  And for longevity, that’s the world that matters. (Longevity is to me as artisty is to Kara.)

I hope you are right! You make me feel better about the ridiculous expectations for Adam’s album.

I think the reason Kris tweeted about Danny being his friend is because one of Danny’s fans was tweeting people to get Danny more followers by his hometown show. I doubt it’s because anything negative was said about Danny to him.

adam is adam, he gets excited over his tour jacket.

So true – but that jacket was worth getting excited about – so maybe Adam is on to something with this album thing….

thats kris, laid back, doesnt show too much excitement

Which is why watching him bounce around on stage during Little Lies at the GMA thing was so frickin’ cute

Very true. He’s a master at keeping people’s expectation oh so very low about him that when he comes out with something decent people are impressed.

You’re correct! In my book though , that’s not a compliment, but you’re spot on

tierbee Aug 12th, 2009 at 3:42 pm

thats kris, laid back, doesnt show too much excitement

Which is why watching him bounce around on stage during Little Lies at the GMA thing was so frickin’ cute

See! Kris is capable of getting excited when he wants to be!

As far as Kris and confidence go, I can see both sides. Yes, he does come across as ‘green’  in these interviews’ ¦but so what’ ¦he IS green, right? everyone has to learn the ropes. It’s just OJT, I think people would expect that. The part that bothers me somewhat is that he and his collaborators do seem a little less than enthusiastic. Adam’s ‘team’  does seem excited’ ¦that is a good sign.

people are attention whores….the majority of these people working w. adam (album, photo shots) are using the opportunity to promote themselves. (im not blaming them, its a smart move). kris doesnt have major media buzz…non sparkly doesnt sell. so i cant see many people wanting to ride his coattails.

The UV make-up is getting me nervous. I hope Adam doesnt end up looking like a peacock.

I thought the discussion was; is he a poser or not (not if he is a true rocker or not)?

There’s a logic problem here. If people call him a poseur, that means he’s pretending to be something he’s not. It was my understanding they were arguing that he was pretending to be a rocker. If we all agree that he doesn’t consider himself a rocker in the traditional sense, how can he be a poseur?

Where in the world are people getting the idea that Kris is not happy or enthusiastic about the work he is doing on his album? Just because he isn’t namedropping every other day or saying, “Ohmygod, my album is going to revolutionize the music industry and change lives and cure cancer and bring peace to the Middle East” doesn’t mean that he isn’t happy with it. He has said consistently that it is going well. He has tweeted about writing mo fresh and hot diggity songs. He has said that he really enjoyed working with Joe King of the Fray and had the little back and forth twitter bragging with Mat Kearney. And he seems to be trying to restrain his glee at the fact that he won’t have to include NoBo on the album. When has he ever said he wasn’t happy with how it was going or it was just so-so or that he was frustrated or struggling? All he said was that, at first, he wasn’t sure what to do in co-writing sessions because he had never written songs like that before. But, he has consistently (when asked, which isn’t that often) said since then that he grew into it and really appreciated the collaborative process. He has also said twice now that he is also working on songs on his own, which is great.

Kris likes to keep things quiet. He doesn’t see the value in hyping something up too far ahead of time. He prefers to make people anticipate and wonder what he’s going to do, then a little before he does it, give you an idea of what it is, long enough for you to go, “What? He’s gonna do that?” And then, he does it, and you are blown away.

He and Jive clearly have a strategy for a slow build of publicity to his release, and it’s something that works with Kris’s natural inclination anyway, so I think it’s all good.

I haven’t read all the posts here yet so this may have been mentioned, sorry if it has. But’ ¦. .Most everyone says Adam and Kris’ music is SO different that you really can’t compare the two, but yet both Adam and Kris bounce ideas off each other and listen to each others tracks. I wouldn’t think that either one of them would be qualified to give sound advice to each other given the fact that their taste and style of music is so different.

Just because a certain style of music is not something that you would personally perform doesn’t mean that you don’t have the musicality or musical instincts and knowledge to be able to provide feedback on what about a particular song works or doesn’t work. A small example of this is what Kris did with Allison on MJ week. He thought about the song, “Give in to Me,” which is an obscure MJ song, but Kris knew because he knows MJ inside out, and he reognized that it would not be a song that would work for him, but believed it would be something that would work for Allison. So, he suggested that she do it (and saved her from doing “Beat It!,” thank god), and helped her learn and arrange it.

Sorry, what the hell is whomp? I mean, I know what beat boxing is, but whomp?

Please, if Adam’s album sales don’t break all the other Idol alums’ debut sales in the first month after all the hype and media frenzy, I suspect that the blame will fall on RCA or 19Evil. And there will pitchforks and lamentations on how Adam was Biced. Heh. Seriously. I’m taking bets already.

LOL chimunk I love today and I’m going to * try* and pull an all-nighter unless the concert is boring like it was last night:( I feel like I already know what kris’s album is going to sound like. I can’t describe it maybe as sort of a singer-songwriter sound?idk. Kris is probably going to put out an okay album( I looked at the davids albums last night) maybe like one of those? I think kris is confident and that’s not an issue but I would love to hear just a little more on his album. Just like 10% of the stuff we have from adam. Please? LOL

Again, I’m not seeing any lack of confidence in Kris. He knows who he is, he knows what kind of music he wants to make. It;s like during the show, when Simon rambled about Kris’ lack of confidence. I never saw that — I simply saw a guy that was surprised when he advanced every week simply because he thought everyone in the Top 10 was really talented.

Just because he’s not jumping up and down in interviews about what his album s gonna sound like does NOT mean he lacks confidence. He simply appears to be a guy who doesn’t like to reveal too much until he’s ready to do so.

Hey @matkearney. What about that song we wrote?7:40 PM Aug 3rd from TwitterFon

@KrisAllen4Real. I thought it was pretty sweet. But I’m sitting next to you. So….7:41 PM Aug 3rd from Tweetie in reply to KrisAllen4Real

Just got done writing a song……so fresh………headed to write another…..mo fresh7:29 PM Jul 1st from web

Workin on a killa song right now. It’s the hot diggity4:09 PM Jun 28th from TwitterFon

Exactly where in those tweets is any lack of confidence?

Here’s a quote from Kris shortly after he won AI:

“I’m not a man of many words. I’m not very expressive or emotional but it comes out in my music. It’s the way I express how I feel.’ 

Kris is saying right there that he’s not real talkative or emotional when he does speak — yet suddenly everyone thinks he lacks confidence because he’s keeping pretty quiet about how his album’s going — even though when he DOES talk about it, he has said he thinks it’s going really well.

edit: dial back the defensiveness. folks get to express negative opinions here without a pile on

I’ll stay positive with his album. Adam knows what he’s doing and as I said before, I trust his musical instinct. It may not be for all but it’s something to look forward to.

I do agree with the way Kris is handling his album making process – less expectations, less pressure. It may end up to be very successful in the end. But it will be fun if he spills some of it (the ones he is sure of). I know his fans will go crazy about it once he starts talking.

And there will pitchforks and lamentations on how Adam was Biced.

Can I have a translation please? What’s Biced?

Kris likes to keep things quiet. He doesn’t see the value in hyping something up too far ahead of time. He prefers to make people anticipate and wonder what he’s going to do, then a little before he does it, give you an idea of what it is, long enough for you to go, ‘What? He’s gonna do that?’  And then, he does it, and you are blown away.

And the danger in that strategy is that for your NON Idol fans (the ones the record labels REALLY want to reach) will just end up not thinking about Kris at all. I just can’t imagine the “I’m gonna lay SO LOW that y’all won’t even THINK about me me! And then when y’all have completely forgotten that I exist then – BAM! My album’s gonna drop!” strategy as a good one.

But, hey, YMMV.

The story is that Danny wouldn’t sign what was primarily a Kradam poster although the top 10 were on the poster too at the bottom. When a little boy took it to him again he still refused to sign it or give the boy an autograph at all because he didn’t say ‘please’  which made the kid cry

Where did you read this at? That girl also claimed on Twitter that Allison was allegedly “pretty unfriendly”. I wouldn’t be surprised if she was blowing things out of proportion.

Danny flat out saying no to a child, when he goes out of his way to do the M&G almost every day and sign as many autographs take pictures as possible? I have a hard time seeing him do that. And I have heard several good stories about him being really sweet to kids. Hmmm……Something seems fishy and I don’t think that it’s on Danny’s end.

The girl that tweeted all the horse shit never said any of that on her twitter.

Yup. All she did was trash Danny and claimed that he treated her poorly but didn’t elaborate a whole lot on what he supposedly did. I definitely think that she is blowing things out of proportion.

Also, I don’t think that the guys Tweeting for Danny on Twitter have anything to do with girl.

I hope this is something he is writing with his pre-Idol LA friends. Something like this has to be written with heart, not churned out of a hit machine. Adam’s friends are more likely to give him their best work, too. *crosses fingers*

YES!! I’m guessing/hoping this is the one he was working on with Ferras. If so, I expect it’ll be phenomenal both musically and lyrically.

edit: edited post you were responding to

Most everyone says Adam and Kris’ music is SO different that you really can’t compare the two, but yet both Adam and Kris bounce ideas off each other and listen to each others tracks. I wouldn’t think that either one of them would be qualified to give sound advice to each other given the fact that their taste and style of music is so different.

Well, I’m sure they both listen to and like many genres of music. They certainly both have mentioned numerous kinds of artists as ones they like a lot. Kris is an Michael Jackson expert — but Kris himself wants to do soft rock. Adam just talked in the last part of the LA Times interview about wanting to hear a particular Springsteen cover — not in his wheelhouse but he certainly sounded as if he thought he could both enjoy it and learn something from it.

They’re both very musical, have quite a bit of musical training and experience in more than one genre — Kris has classical and church music, Adam has musical theater and some classical, too, for example — and have broad tastes in what they enjoy, I think.

Just because each will put out an album in a particular style doesn’t mean that they have wouldn’t have some valuable perceptions about stuff in the other guys’ style. …

Seriously, I just don’t get this extremely genre-specific music expertise and music love idea. Most serious musicians in my experience are fairly knowledgeable about quite a few styles and can comment usefully on a *lot* of different stuff.

Sorry, what the hell is whomp? I mean, I know what beat boxing is, but whomp?

The delusional rantings of a man who took his own press way too seriously. A cautionary tale for this season’s idol contestants if there ever was one.

I truly think Adam will be successful in the business, and I think it’s his ability to do virtually anything that will make him a success. To me, he was exciting on the show because we never knew what to expect, and I think that fun suspense will continue throughout his career as we eagerly anticipate what each new performance or recording might bring. The music business has gotten really boring, IMO, particularly in terms of male performers, and one thing Adam never seems to be is BORING!

Excellent post. I totally agree. Not only was Adam exciting on the TV show, but he is continuing that excitement on the tour. Even the media is writing about this phenom they are seeing on the tour stage. He has also been exciting in his interviews, very articulate and charming. Adam is someone many people can’t get enough of. The more I see him, hear him, hear about him, the more I am seriously optimistic for his success.

Slezak said something really interesting about Adam:

“Of course, what’s most fascinating about Adam is he could also choose to use his powerhouse voice in a half dozen completely disparate musical genres ‘” yet look and sound equally comfortably in each of ‘em.”

Yes indeed. And as a major hard rock fan, one of those genres is hard rock (and obviously Led Zep or whoever manages them felt the same )–it probably helps that he clearly loves that genre passionately, even if it’s not the only one he operates in.

And that was something that did and does annoy people about Adam–it’s hard to pin him down completely into one genre, or even two. But others live that kind of versatility and creativity–I do.

Although: I’m not sure why anyone’s acting surprised about this? He’s said many times that rock, hard rock, is one of a number of genres he loves and that he did a lot of those songs on Idol because people know and love that music and it’s what he enjoys performing.

But hey, that’s Adam, clearly. Some people like it, some don’t.

I do have to say that the reception he’s getting on tour is really heartwarming to me. Obviously it doesn’t mean that’s he’s definitely going to be successful or anything like that, but: AI is kind of a bubble, and it’s easy to think that someone is really talented until they get out into the real world. So, it’s just a big relief to see my opinion of Adam as someone amazingly talented confirmed. And reviews for Kris and Allison indicate really good things about their talent.

Exactly where in those tweets is any lack of confidence?

Exactly where in those tweets is there any handle for or against anything that anyone has posted here?

Very true. He’s a master at keeping people’s expectation oh so very low about him that when he comes out with something decent people are impressed.

Well I think that Kris does put out some good stuff, period, so people are impressed by it. But I do I kind of agree with that as well. Which I think is brilliant! And like I said, I wish that Adam would have the same expectations that one could walk over to achieve. And yeah, I think he’s hurting himself here by being a part of raising expectations so high. It’s doubtful that with 19 as part of the process that there will anything other than a very high degree of crap involved. I think the only thing the good contestants do is mitigate that as much as possible, to varying degrees of success. So while I get that Adam is enthusiastic, it’s part of who he is and I love the overeager, bright-eyed puppy part of his persona, still sometimes I want him to set more realistic expectations for people.

And now for something completely different, more Victoria Beckham on AI? At this point I wish they would just choose her as the replacement for Paula because I suspect the lulz factor would be wonderfully high.

But you are ignoring the fact that Kris isn’t laying that low. He’s doing lots of interviews on tour — pretty much one at least every other day.

And people are eager for his album — go on twitter and search @krisallen4real and you would discover that REAL fast.

Kris isn’t Adam — Adam isn’t Kris. They aren’t going to approach talking about what they are doing the same way.

All the excitement over Adam’s album may be setting the bar TOO high. He’s never done this before, either. Doing musical theatre isn’t the same as putting out a rock/pop/electronica album that hopefully will sell 1 million copies and trying to sell out a solo tour. It’s great that Adam and the people working with him are so excited about what they are doing with this album. But all the hype in the world won’t matter if the album is mediocre or bad (NOTE: I expect it to be good — don’t know about great. But I expect good at least). And there’s still 3 months to go before his album will drop. Who is going to remember most of what Adam said in July and August three months from now?

There are lower expectations (at least in the media) about Kris’ album, but there is still a lot a pressure on him to come out with at least a good, solid album that will sell. Like with Adam, I expect Kris’ album to be good. Again, don’t know if it will be great — but I expect good at least. If the album is good, it really won’t matter how little he talked about it leading up to its release, because the music media will still review it, he’ll still do interviews, etc. And if the reviews and word of mouth are strong, that’s what matters. Not whether he jmped up and down in excitement talking about it 3 months before it’s even scheduled to drop.

I don’t think Kris is not confident. Between Kris and Adam, I think Adam is in fact the one who was and is still not sure about whether he and his music will be accepted by most people. He’s confident in himself, he has belief in his talent and he always stays positive. However since during his almost 10 years music journey he has faced some many rejections and has to prove himself so many times, he won’t take it for granted that people get him at the first glance.

I think Kris has his own strategy and game plan which is different from Adam and has been proved by the AI result to be a successful one.

I think MTV though should get a slap down for that title. That is just not cool. Very misleading and I’m sure the conversations got both ways between Adam and Kris.

Wow…that headline is totally false. Kris said that he and Adam bounced ideas off of each other. A very different statement than that headline leads you to believe. Adam is my guy but I am also a fan of Kris and I don’t like how most interviews treat him as an afterthought behind Adam Kris won and should be treated as the winner. Even though they are such good friends and Kris always mentions Adam’s talent, it still must hurt on some level that Adam gets most of the press.

Just to clarify—one of my points was that those who have tweeted or made statements about collaborating with an AI8er may or may not show up on that contestant’s album. But the other point is that the lack of a statement from a collaborator may say nothing about that collaborator’s enthusiasm for the project or for the singer. I think that it is fair to say that Raine Maida was enthusiastic about working with DC—but you would not have known that last August.

It may turn out that there are collaborators who really worked well with the AI8ers who just haven’t said a word about it yet.

Oh, and heh, Tony.

Regarding all of the comments about Adam being a “Rock boy” poser. I think that the continued problem people have had with grasping the concept of a multi-genre album – both AI fans and reporters – shows that Adam was right about the need to paint a simple, one-genre character on Idol. And even with that — Adam was saying he was a rock artist while the judges and producers were painting him as “gay theater boy”.

So Adam focused on classic rock to establish his on-air personality and then as the show progressed revealed more of his artistic dimensions. I think it was a good strategy — other may cause it “posing”. All I know is that Idol is a reality show — and most of what is on reality shows isn’t real.

I agree. The description of Adam’s album (as not wanting to be pigeonholed to any particular genre) definitely reminded me of Taylor’s vision of his first major-label album.

I think he referred to his all-encompassing genre as ‘whomp’ ’ ¦or something like that.

Nothing about Adam’s approach to his album reminds me of Taylor — who really didn’t even start working on his album until October, after the tour. Adam already has most of his songs, plans to finish recording the album in September and apparently has a single in the can for an October release.

Everything on Taylor Hick’s first real album “Taylor Hicks” is pop or blues rock. I not usre what “whomp” means but I do have a copy of the album and there isn’t much exciting about it.

Taylor’s album didn’t sell because it is mostly boring, wasn’t released until mid-December, didn’t have a new hit single on it and got little radio airplay.

The album contained two singles the bonus track “Do I Make You Proud” released on June 13, 2006, and “Just to Feel That Way” released on February 5, 2007 which picked at 20 on the AC charts.

washpd
Aug 12th, 2009 at 3:48 pm
Where in the world are people getting the idea that Kris is not happy or enthusiastic about the work he is doing on his album?

Nothing he’s said per se, just a kind of lackadaisical vibe that he gives off. I do happen to be a fan of Kris, and I like his laid back attitude. He does seem (at least to me) to be taking the same approach he did during the show.
As snuffles said, that may or may not work in real life. The music -buying public who doesn’t follow the show may not take a liking to him if he doesn’t give us some self-hype. If the songs are good it won’t matter, though.

I just hope there is some variety…he said it would be mostly “relationship songs”. Im sorry, but ewwwww. If that’s the case, I hope they aren’t in the typical Idol/19 vein. Now if there was a variety, that would be ok. A ballad…something up-tempo…something that really rocks,…a song about a good relationship, and one about a bad…that would be ok.

After hearing past debut albums, my hopes aren’t that good. I think Kris is better than that.

I personally don’t get why people are so worried about Kris not spilling so much about his album. It seems it’s Jive. Have we seen Allison say a lot about hers? These two are on the same label, Adam is on a different one.
Maybe That is the way Jive does their thing. What else does he have to talk about. When the album drops, we the fans are going to buy, no matter what, so we are already in his cot. His label will then do the promotion of the album through TV appearances, radio and others which of course is for folks outside idol viewers.
I think so far the label has done a pretty good job at the promotion of him so far, and I believe some non idol viewers might have heard of Kris by now. He has no problem at all for me, for you, for me.

I think MTV though should get a slap down for that title. That is just not cool. Very misleading and I’m sure the conversations got both ways between Adam and Kris.

Well anyone who believes that headline has to believe this one.

“adam lambert’s Secret Songwriting Weapon? kris allen”

I wonder how Jim Cantiello feels about James Montgomery twisting his interview around like that.

Ruben Studdard ‘” I’d Give Paula $10 Million!

oh, honey, you dont have $10…stop it.

seriously, im tired of the fake responses….lets face it, nobody will come out and say the truth…she’s loopy, she gave out lame jewelry, she talked about walking in the path of greatness on a reality tv show, and she wore outfits with feathers.

And the danger in that strategy is that for your NON Idol fans (the ones the record labels REALLY want to reach) will just end up not thinking about Kris at all. I just can’t imagine the ‘I’m gonna lay SO LOW that y’all won’t even THINK about me me! And then when y’all have completely forgotten that I exist then – BAM! My album’s gonna drop!’  strategy as a good one.

Ok – sarcasm aside I agree with this. Think of it as me agreeing with a warmer fuzzier post. Even though I have heard Kris through the entire season I am on the fence about putting $$ out for his album, especially since I have a pre-existing album list already just waiting for some more disposable income. I also have similar artists already on the shelf. I want to get excited about his album, but it is kinda hard if he doesn’t seem excited about it when he talks about it… so yes, I’m sort of in the same boat as the NON Idol fans. How does he differentiate his sound in an increasingly crowded market? I don’t necessarily blame Kris for this, it might be his handlers not putting forth info or encouraging him to take it up a notch. I WANT to like his music & I WANT to have a reason to buy it. So, long story short, more info in interviews and an excited Kris might push me to open my wallet.

There is something to be said for positive thinking and putting positive thoughts out there. By having RedOne endorse Adam, it must make people think, hey, maybe there is something to watch here. If he says he good, he must be. Yeah, maybe expectations are high, but a lot of the music buying public just aint that bright. Hello, Britney? At least Adam has talent backing him.

If anything, I’m more worried about the press circuit with a dance/rock song. How’s that going to sound on Ellen or Leno?

SNL must have Adam on as a guest and for a skit or two.

You know, I can totally see Kris and Adam giving each other feedback and advice and, generally, helping each other out on their albums. They both understand a wide range of musical styles and they both know the the other singers strengths. And I can even see them working together on a few songs, even if it isn’t their first inclination to do so. Everyone talks about them being so incredibly different … and they are … but they do have a middle ground. Kris is actually a whole lot more rockin than we would have guessed (Bright Lights and All These Things That I’ve done) and he amped himself up for the Queen number on the finale. Meanwhile, Adam occasionally strips down to an acoustic version of himself and on GMA (in Little Lies) we heard him rough up his vocal a bit. I can totally see them singing a duet especially something slower and quieter as long as neither of them goes off in their own particular virtuoso direction. So crazy?

However the media, just like people, are naturally drawn to others that exhibit confidence.

The media are attracted to the bright and shiney and new, no matter the relative value.

LOL – not at all. It’s making a come back so go dig them out of the basement people.

Everything that’s old is new again, apparently.

Which is why watching him bounce around on stage during Little Lies at the GMA thing was so frickin’ cute

After watching that, I was getting the impression, if Kris played bass and Cook invited him right then and there to join the band, he would’ve!

I honestly don’t know whats going to happen with the albums-no one does but I am definetly going to buy Adams album and probably a single from kris and Alison

seriously, im tired of the fake responses’ ¦.lets face it, nobody will come out and say the truth’ ¦she’s loopy, she gave out lame jewelry, she talked about walking in the path of greatness on a reality tv show, and she wore outfits with feathers

Hey, don’t diss feathers. There’s nothing wrong with feathers.

Reading through all of these threads today, I’ve decided I’d like to be banned again. I am sick to death of the constant ‘my idol is better than your idol’  or ‘how dare that writer diss my idol’  or ‘that writer doesn’t like my idol so he/she is not a true journalist’  etc, blah blah blah. I understand this post violates MJ’s rules because it criticizes my fellow posters. So be it.

Yes, an absolute mistake on my part. How unbelievably annoying and self-righteous you are.

And don’t worry you are banned. FOR GOOD THIS TIME.

If I’m remembering correctly, you committed a boardacide and then I banned you. I find dramatic boardacides hilarious, because they nearly never stick–just a lot of attention seeking fake drama.

So, pretty much? Buh BYE.

ETA: I think a couple of posters are upset that we don’t talk much about their favorite Idols anymore.

That’s the way it goes around here.

The Season 8 Idol fans will be in the same boat as the disgruntled fans of past seasons a year or so from now.

I MOVE ON. Always. You can choose to move along with me…or not.

Nothing about Adam’s approach to his album reminds me of Taylor ‘” who really didn’t even start working on his album until October, after the tour. Adam already has most of his songs, plans to finish recording the album in September and apparently has a single in the can for an October release.

I agree about the process. But the hype is kinda similar. Both were “different” and “unique” idol contestants, both had large rabid fanbases that were convinced they were the second coming (and used a lot of the same arguments to prove it – heh), both were not planning to fit into any pre-existing musical genres, both worked with producers that had experience working on vaguely similar successful projects (Taylor’s producer led Carlos Santana’s very successful pop album, RedOne for Adam), both had rumored collaborations with exciting names (John Mayer, Rob Thomas and Ray Charles’ vault of songs for Taylor), and while Taylor got some bad press, he also got a lot of good press, some of it also from Rolling Stone. Even those who hated Taylor thought he’s go double platinum easily, much like Clay.

Now of course Adam is way more marketable that Taylor, and he has not pissed off 19. He’s smart that way, thank god! He’ll be fine in the long run.

Like someone has said, we have yet to hear pratically anything from Allison. Does that mean she isn’t working on an album? Or that it isn’t good? I do believe it might be a Jive thing. Or maybe it’s just a coincidence that the two Jive idols are being relatively silent about everything except the genre they plan to perform.

I think it’s more of a done deal that Adam will have Red One tracks. In Kris’s case he can talk all he wants about people he’s working with, but what happens if the label shoots those songs down? I think the closer we get to release date, the more we’ll hear from both Kris and Allison.

And the danger in that strategy is that for your NON Idol fans (the ones the record labels REALLY want to reach) will just end up not thinking about Kris at all. I just can’t imagine the ‘I’m gonna lay SO LOW that y’all won’t even THINK about me me! And then when y’all have completely forgotten that I exist then – BAM! My album’s gonna drop!’  strategy as a good one.

Except that the non-Idol fans aren’t thinking about Kris anyway, except if they happen to see an interview or article and they go, ‘Oh right, he won Idol’. They’re not thinking about Adam and his Alien Glittery Planet Fierceness, or whether Danny is a clueless jerk, or whether Allison is amazing despite being JUST SEVENTEEN!!!! They don’t care. They’re not watching videos of the Idol tour, or reading between the lines of every interview to decipher the secret code of what the albums will be like, or counting the days until there’s a new single out. If the singles drop, and the labels do decent promo, and radio stations decide to give them spins, and the listening public decides they like what they hear, then, perhaps, they will care. If they don’t, a given contestant will just become another footnote in the Idol lexicon.

Somewhere in the ballpark of 25 million people watch Idol. Perhaps 2% of that number attend the concerts. I would guess that less than 5% frequent the websites. Every supposed ‘strategy’, every tweet, every message board, only matters to the microcosm of AI fans on the ‘net.

I hope that Kris and Adam and Allison all do well, and make great music, and sell lots of albums. But until then, isn’t it all just a lot of smoke and mirrors?

HI Sassycatz:

The media are attracted to the bright and shiny and new … which is dubious … but sometimes bright and shiny and new just embellishes and emphasizes something that is funamental and timeless – talent.

And I think that you’re right that Kris might fit in with David Cook’s band. But why would he want to when he can play alongside them and hold his own individually?

Like someone has said, we have yet to hear pratically anything from Allison. Does that mean she isn’t working on an album?

She talks about it a little in this latest interview. But as usual her communication skills are not quite there. Still, my take is Pink light. Not happy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fU60p53cx5I&feature=channel

boardacide?

Let’s just say Adam is a Rocker in the genre vein of ‘Experimental rock or avant-garde rock’  Which actually a legitimate rock category describe as: a type of music based on rock which experiments with the basic elements of the genre, and/or which pushes the boundaries of common composition and performance technique.Performers may also attempt to individualize their music with unconventional time signatures, instrumental tunings, compositional styles, lyrical techniques, elements of other musical genres, singing styles, instrumental effects or custom-made experimental musical instruments. Sounds like Adam to me.

I agree with dhunken and his above post on Adam and the whole rocker not rocker debate. As someone else’s has said here (I think it is Q3) There is no pure rock sound anymore. I do think though Adam’s music will have a nod towards Rock. (I believe he has said this in more then one article). He may be attempting something that could fail. Then again he could create something new and be successful with it. Let’s Dance by David Bowie was never really your typical Rock Song yet David Bowie is a rocker and the song does have Rock influence. I am excited to see what Adam and the people working with him will come up with. I hope it is a success.

Between Kris and Adam, I think Adam is in fact the one who was and is still not sure about whether he and his music will be accepted by most people.

In Adam’s case, I think part of his success will evolve from the very fact that his music will NOT be loved by all. I obviously don’t know him, but from what I gather via interviews, I don’t think he aims at attracting univeral adoration. He seems to embrace being different and loves standing out in a crowd! In a Rolling Stone article, he said he wanted to “…upset people,” to make them think. Some of the most popular and/or most respected musicians have been polarizing. For some reason, the group Cheap Trick comes to mind–not that they’re still considered so great, but they certainly made a successful career for themselves with their polarizing music. When they first came on the scene back in the ’80′s (at least, that’s when I came to know of them), it was their shocking (at the time) new style and sexy lyrics that catapulted them to fame. Not everyone tolerated them, but those who did embraced their fresh, unique, gutsy style with fervor, partly because they felt gutsy and unique themselves by doing so. Back in the day, I was one of those adoring fans! Adam is an amazing singer, but there are a lot of fabulous singers out there. His unique qualifying difference is that he offers a complete visual and vocal package that is edgy, gutsy, sexy and fun. There will be plenty who will find his provocative performances and, likely, lyrics offensive, but I think that will just heighten his intrigue to those who appreciate his talents.

Sassycatz: After watching that, I was getting the impression, if Kris played bass and Cook invited him right then and there to join the band, he would’ve!

Give him a bass, and a couple of weeks of downtime, and I am betting he could.

Ruben Studdard ‘” I’d Give Paula $10 Million!

oh, honey, you dont have $10′ ¦stop it.

aww – sad…Ruuuuuuuben was the man.

You’re right guys. We haven’t heard too much about Allison. But, if they don’t make her into a prom queen, she’ll be great. Pink light would be a bit yuck and not what we, or I think she, would want … but it would probably be successful enough to get her a second and a third album in a harder rock vein. I hope.

And now for something completely different, more Victoria Beckham on AI? At this point I wish they would just choose her as the replacement for Paula because I suspect the lulz factor would be wonderfully high.

Lol, THIS.

So, long story short, more info in interviews and an excited Kris might push me to open my wallet.

I think that once it gets closer to the release date for Kris’ single and album, there will be tons more promotion coming from 19, and that’s what matters really. Twitter and the little small paper interviews aren’t going to make a big difference publicity-wise.

Also, the genre Kris is going into doesn’t involve so much self hyping as Adam’s does. Like I said before, all the Top 40 pop/R&B artists, when they talk about their work, hype it a LOT — like “it’s dope, best stuff I’ve ever done,” whatever. That’s come to be expected, and for Adam to penetrate that market, he has to self hype and do what Idol fans might consider overhyping.

So… in summary, I think Adam and Kris are both doing what’s best promotion wise right now.

I hope that Kris and Adam and Allison all do well, and make great music, and sell lots of albums. But until then, isn’t it all just a lot of smoke and mirrors?

Every thing in your post i think is true and well said.I really like all 3 of them and hope they get all they wanted from going on idol.

I think this part of the Newsday review is sooo true regarding what the future is for Adam and Kris:

Allen looks to be enjoying his ‘American Idol’  win and the ride that goes with it. Lambert looks to be forging his own path.

Kris will do what he is doing, the same kind of music, and he will be happy playing his guitar and his piano while singing his music, while Adam will be figuring out what will be his next step. Adam gets bored easily doing the same thing (sign of a creative mind), and this will be reflected in his work offering different things on each of his albums. I love this because I also get bored easily.

Btw, I still have some black lights (I learned not to wear clothes in white for places with black lights). and I use phosphorescent paint on boards to wake up my students in early classes.

I am wayyyy excited about Adam ´s album and its cover.

Btw, if you want to sell a product you need to trasmit your excitement about it. Whatever the product is. Maybe Kris needs to learn some marketing strategies.

HI Sassycatz:

Hi.

The media are attracted to the bright and shiny and new ‘ ¦ which is dubious ‘ ¦ but sometimes bright and shiny and new just embellishes and emphasizes something that is funamental and timeless – talent.

Sometimes. My point was, the media follows spectacle, of all sorts … as well as disasters, natural or otherwise. So, the relative merit of something is not to be found in press coverage.

And I think that you’re right that Kris might fit in with David Cook’s band. But why would he want to when he can play alongside them and hold his own individually?

I didn’t say he wanted to join the band, I said that he appeared to be having such a good time that if Cook had invited him, he looked like he would’ve said yes without a moment’s thought! Kris seems like he enjoys that vibe and might do very well with a band *of his own.* Someone to jam with and bounce off of. He fit. Adam looked a little awkward up there. I think he’s more a solo act.

Oh, and the way Kris was eyeing Neal, I hope Cook continues to treat “the Dr.” well!!

Adam is an amazing singer, but there are a lot of fabulous singers out there. His unique qualifying difference is that he offers a complete visual and vocal package that is edgy, gutsy, sexy and fun. There will be plenty who will find his provocative performances and, likely, lyrics offensive, but I think that will just heighten his intrigue to those who appreciate his talents.

I think the question is, will he be able to somehow use these qualities we have seen and put them into his album release? We know most other idols have failed this. I think history is telling us it might not work out the way we want, but there has also been some positive signs. When he speaks of his album he is very precise, explaining exactly what he means and what kind of songs it will have (this as opposed to some diffuse idea of a fusion album). I also got excited when Kris said that Adams stuff was out of the box.

Why is he even responding?.Does he value his favour on a few Idol blogs over his job in general, if he works for MTv that is.

I emailed Jim Cantiello directly and asked him. He did not offer it up on his own. Most of the people responding to the article were assuming he wrote the headline and dissing him for it.

steve
Aug 12th, 2009 at 4:48 pm
I hope that Kris and Adam and Allison all do well, and make great music, and sell lots of albums. But until then, isn’t it all just a lot of smoke and mirrors?

Every thing in your post i think is true and well said.I really like all 3 of them and hope they get all they wanted from going on idol.

I ditto this post.

I also got excited when Kris said that Adams stuff was out of the box.

lol. Yep, all the stuff that Adam has told us was great and I loved getting some details about what would be on some of the different tracks. But this one statement from Kris made me very, very happy.

Gracie77

Except that the non-Idol fans aren’t thinking about Kris anyway, except if they happen to see an interview or article and they go, ‘Oh right, he won Idol’. They’re not thinking about Adam and his Alien Glittery Planet Fierceness, or whether Danny is a clueless jerk, or whether Allison is amazing despite being JUST SEVENTEEN!!!! They don’t care. They’re not watching videos of the Idol tour, or reading between the lines of every interview to decipher the secret code of what the albums will be like, or counting the days until there’s a new single out. If the singles drop, and the labels do decent promo, and radio stations decide to give them spins, and the listening public decides they like what they hear, then, perhaps, they will care. . . . Somewhere in the ballpark of 25 million people watch Idol. Perhaps 2% of that number attend the concerts. I would guess that less than 5% frequent the websites. Every supposed ‘strategy’, every tweet, every message board, only matters to the microcosm of AI fans on the ‘net. . . . But until then, isn’t it all just a lot of smoke and mirrors?

WHAT?

It’s like a bucket of ice-cold realism on our beautiful, twisted Oz of Idol fandom.

Hellllp I’m melting, I’m meellllltttting!!!!!!

Are there really a lot of amazing (male) singers out there? I’m not being sarcastic. I’m behind the curve here so they could well be there and I just don’t know who they are.

Adam gets bored easily doing the same thing (sign of a creative mind), and this will be reflected in his work offering different things on each of his albums. I love this because I also get bored easily.

Yeah, I like the fact that he’s never doing the same thing, whether it was on the show, on the tour – everything we’ve seen and heard from him (including interviews about his previous musical experience) hints at the “move on to new things”/ “constantly try new things” mentality. I really like that about him. I too get bored easily (and with music, my tastes have always run the gammut.)

Not to mention, in music you have to move fast and stay current to actually have longevity. Looking at a career like Madonna’s is a good example – constantly reinventing herself over the shifting musical background.

Sure, there’s the danger of being “all over the place” with the first album, but I see it as a slower change for him – that is, the first album will be tied to his current image of a rock/pop/electronic sound, but future albums could take him in completely different directions (and yes, I realize I just envisioned Adam’s career lasting many many years and albums ) Hopefully he’ll be that fortunate, even if he’s not Madonna

I emailed Jim Cantiello directly and asked him. He did not offer it up on his own. Most of the people responding to the article were assuming he wrote the headline and dissing him for it.

MJ,when i saw this part “By James Montgomery, with reporting by Jim Cantiello”
that jim did not have a part in that headline.I like jim was like WTF but saw that and was like i should of knew.

I also got excited when Kris said that Adams stuff was out of the box.

lol. Yep, all the stuff that Adam has told us was great and I loved getting some details about what would be on some of the different tracks. But this one statement from Kris made me very, very happy.

Kris didn’t sound excited about Adam’s album tho. Not that he should. js

WHAT?

It’s like a bucket of ice-cold realism on our beautiful, twisted Oz of Idol fandom.

Hellllp I’m melting, I’m meellllltttting!!!!!!

LOL. What a world, what a world…

Don’t get me wrong, I love the microcosm and all the fascinating sociological implications, but sometimes my inherent pragmatism comes out to play.

Kris didn’t sound excited about Adam’s album tho. Not that he should. js

Kris didn’t sound excited about anything. I’d be really worried for him if he sounded excited about Adam’s album when he didn’t sound excited about his own.

Somewhere in the ballpark of 25 million people watch Idol. Perhaps 2% of that number attend the concerts. I would guess that less than 5% frequent the websites. Every supposed ‘strategy’, every tweet, every message board, only matters to the microcosm of AI fans on the ‘net.

I’d say it is way, way less than that. Most of the Idol websites have the same people posting on more than one of them. You could say maybe there are 1,000 unique active idol posters total across all the sites. But lets be generous and up that to 10,000.

Now lets add lurkers. I read somewhere once that on average for every 1 poster there are 4 lurkers. Well lets up that dramatically, Let’s say 10 people lurk for every 1. So that’s 10,000 people posting and 100,000 people lurking, for a total of 110,000 idol internet fans.

That still adds up to less that one half of one percent of all idol viewers. I could double it, and still not hit 1 percent.

This is why the internet opinion can differ dramatically from the real world opinion.

I hope I posted this link correctly. It’s from a website called digitaldreamdoor and shows what some outside of the AI fanbase think of Adam’s vocal ability. I thought it was interesting since there has been so much discussion about whether Adam has a true rock voice or not.

He is now listed as number TWO in the category of 100 Most Technically Skilled Rock Vocalist. They had a list of detailed, technical criteria they used to rate the best rock vocalist. It is an interesting read due to the fact that these are rock fans who are definitely outside of the AI fandom.

There is actually an Adam Lambert thread now. If you start on page 15 you can read how these non-AI fans reacted to the issue of him being gay. They devoted about 10-15 posts to it. It was like someone had just told them Adam was a vegetarian. They gave a few comments and moved on to the voice. Also, keep reading to find some astonishing praise.

http://forums.nutsie.com/index.php

That still adds up to less that one half of one percent of all idol viewers. I could double it, and still not hit 1 percent.

Which is, technically, less than 5%. Heehee. But you’re absolutely right, I was erring on the side of generosity.

Edited by me – Not a valid point.

Which is, technically, less than 5%. Heehee. But you’re absolutely right, I was erring on the side of generosity.

LOL! Oh yeah, I wasn’t arguing with you. You said it was less than 5%. I was saying it was WAY less. I totally agree with what you said, I was trying to give you some backup!

There won’t be Canadian Idol this year. SAD Link

LOL! Oh yeah, I wasn’t arguing with you. You said it was less than 5%. I was saying it was WAY less. I totally agree with what you said, I was trying to give you some backup!

Which I totally appreciate!

And in other on-topicness, I do think it’s fantastic that Kris and Adam seem to have such a genuine respect and affection for one another. I always enjoy it when (one-time) competitors don’t get let the competition get in the way of the camaraderie. We saw that a lot both this season and last, I think.

Thanks Tiger92 interesting link. Here is the actual link to the list where Adam is number 2. It is titled the most technically skilled Rock Vocalist. Interestingly enough people are asking questions about why their singer is not higher but no one is questioning Adam being on the list and being number 2.

http://forums.nutsie.com/viewtopic.php?t=18672

If I’m remembering correctly, you committed a boardacide and then I banned you. I find dramatic boardacides hilarious, because they nearly never stick’“just a lot of attention seeking fake drama.

Boardicides are hilarious….

Thanks Tiger92 interesting link. Here is the actual link to the list where Adam is number 2. It is titled the most technically skilled Rock Vocalist. Interestingly enough people are asking questions about why their singer is not higher but no one is questioning Adam being on the list and being number 2.

http://forums.nutsie.com/viewtopic.php?t=18672

Thanks both Tiger92 and Adamkrisallison. This is the kind of information I am interested in i.e how does Adam rank among vocalists? I’m not surrpised he ranks so high. That is why he is consistantly getting positive reviews and why there is so much buzz about him.

maturin:

WHAT?

It’s like a bucket of ice-cold realism on our beautiful, twisted Oz of Idol fandom.

Hellllp I’m melting, I’m meellllltttting!!!!!!

Hilarious!

If I’m remembering correctly, you committed a boardacide and then I banned you.

LOL, MJ, I don’t think I’ve heard the term boardacide but I am having no trouble imagining what that is like on a thread . You’re awesome.

The tour video for Kris Allen’s “Bright Lights” is available on iTunes today. Sounds great. Love Kris!

For anyone who downloads it, though, do me a favor. Look at 1:21-1:23 (approx) and tell me — is that a mostly empty arena, and, more importantly, are those cardboard people mixed in with the real ones? I see some weirdness about 1/3 of the way over from the left — an older woman sitting with what appears to be a cardboard person right in front of her or on her lap, and about 2/3 of the way over is a woman in blue who appears to be two dimensional/unmoving.

I know, I’m nuts. It makes sense that they’d tape it at a sound check or something so there’d be less crowd noise and more opportunity for cameras to circle the performer. I just have too much time on my hands today, wanted to see if I could see myself in the audience (unlikely since I never saw cameras onstage), and those flat people spooked me out.

Is boardacide like suicide or homicide? Or like a murder-suicide? (I hope I’m not committing one now!)

ETA: I just googled it, and guess what, the second listing was MJ’s comment in this thread! Wow they’re fast.

ETA 2: http://www.dvdinmypants.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=309929&sid=dfed0df087451baadfb9a0d517a9ac90

Is boardacide like suicide or homicide? Or like a murder-suicide? (I hope I’m not committing one now!)

I looked it up. Apparently boardacide is where you make a big post explaining all the reasons why you will ~NEVARRRR POST HERE AGAIN.

LOL, MJ, I don’t think I’ve heard the term boardacide but I am having no trouble imagining what that is like on a thread .

Oh, I have. It’s basically someone who “goes postal,” intentionally breaks all the board’s posting rules in one huge flame-out. Sort of like commiting board suicide.

Thanks Tiger92 interesting link. Here is the actual link to the list where Adam is number 2. It is titled the most technically skilled Rock Vocalist. Interestingly enough people are asking questions about why their singer is not higher but no one is questioning Adam being on the list and being number 2.

http://forums.nutsie.com/viewtopic.php?t=18672

This is hilarious! I like how they argue in a very passionet yet factual way! Check the latest pages if you want to read about Adam (and Freddy). Gives new importance to Adams performance of How Come You Don’t Call Me Anymore.

i dont recall a time where the excitement of one artist made me hopeful for their album.

its like w. actors…..they are always very enthusiastic over their current project. however, we all now that no matter how excited these guys are over a movie, it doesn’t guarantee success.

I think the question is, will he be able to somehow use these qualities we have seen and put them into his album release?

I’m just assuming, since Adam seems so enthusiastic about the album, that he’s being extended at least some of the same artistic input they allowed him on the show. The difference between Adam and many others, I think (and keep in mind that I know nothing — I’m just conjecturing based on interviews I’ve seen), is that he knows what he wants and is not afraid to speak out to get it. This served him well on the show, where he spoke up about the lighting/staging he wanted and levvyed to avoid any middle-men and speak directly to the band. He’s smart and business savvy, or, at the very least, gutsy! In no business endeavor does anyone win every battle, but my guess is that he’s strategizing and choosing his battles to win at least some of them.

Danny flat out saying no to a child, when he goes out of his way to do the M&G almost every day and sign as many autographs take pictures as possible? I have a hard time seeing him do that. And I have heard several good stories about him being really sweet to kids. Hmmm’ ¦’ ¦Something seems fishy and I don’t think that it’s on Danny’s end.

Yeah, I’ve witnessed the guy signing at 3 separate shows. He REALLY does try to get to everyone and I noticed he seemed especially sweet to children. I remember him interacting with a little red headed girl in Greenboro. He was very charming with her and whispered in her ear. I wasn’t close enough to hear what he was saying, but I did hear the crowd that was closer to the child saying, “Awwwwww.”

I asked him to take a picture with the two little kids that were standing right near me, but were not at the front. He was in a hurry at that point, but as soon as I mentioned that the two little girls wanted a picture, he was all “of course sweetie.” He was very nice to the kids, and their mother remarked on it, too….saying that Danny was the sweetest.

Yes, Jx223, this all is very fishy. I refuse to believe a tweet or two over the concrete evidence that I saw for myself, not to mention the tons of second hand reports from people saying how nice Danny is at the signings….this even from those who don’t like him.

And I don’t think the guys are tweeting about Danny because of this, either. I bet they dont know anything about it.

Oh, and just to clear up the rumor, I have seen Danny sign things that don’t have him on it. If he didn’t last night, it could have been because he was in a hurry to get to his own fans, which I understand. The tweet girl was hysterical and also called Allison rude. I think she sounds like an immature child who was disappointed that the idols didn’t pay more attention to her, personally….either that or a hater. Whatever.

“That could be ONE interpretation of the silence.

Personally, I think it speaks VOLUMES that the people Adam is working with are SO excited they feel the need to talk about it every chance they get. Many of them seem particularly Twitter happy. p”

I totally agree. Is the silence because they are keeping it close to the vest or is it that there is nothing to report. Even writers and producers are tweeting about Adam-like you said, the industry is excited about him. They want to be a part of him and you can tell there is a tremendous amount of buzz. That can only be good. Someone said they had never seen the wind at the back of an idol like Adam-i think it is all good.

Gee Adam is rated higher than Sam Cooke, Freddy Mercury, Roy Orbison or Aretha Franklin as a rock vocalist (which he is isn’t but neither are most of them.) And he hasn’t even put out an original single or album. Oh wait, I guess NB counts. Why did I ever click on that site and give those morons a hit.

Why be surprised that Adam isn’t a rocker? He’s not bringing glamrock back. Nobody is. Expect more electronic music with a Gaga overlay so radio plays it.

Not only was Adam exciting on the TV show, but he is continuing that excitement on the tour. Even the media is writing about this phenom they are seeing on the tour stage. He has also been exciting in his interviews, very articulate and charming. Adam is someone many people can’t get enough of. The more I see him, hear him, hear about him, the more I am seriously optimistic for his success.

Boy do I agree with this. I’m trying not to have sky-high expectations for his album, given AI’s history, but I just can’t keep those high expectations in check. Adam is not a typical contestant. He is supremely talented, pretty savvy about the business and is an interviewer’s dream. The last will help him a lot when it comes time for the album promotion. His interviews are pure gold. He always sounds happy and excited and his charm shines through. I think this, apart from his amazing talent, is one reason he is so popular with the press.

I know, I’m nuts. It makes sense that they’d tape it at a sound check or something so there’d be less crowd noise and more opportunity for cameras to circle the performer. I just have too much time on my hands today, wanted to see if I could see myself in the audience (unlikely since I never saw cameras onstage), and those flat people spooked me out.

Yeah, it looks like it was taped at a soundcheck. You just knew that 19 would spare no expense for Kris, didn’t you?
:doh_tb:

http://forums.nutsie.com/viewtopic.php?t=18672

This is hilarious! I like how they argue in a very passionet yet factual way! Check the latest pages if you want to read about Adam (and Freddy). Gives new importance to Adams performance of How Come You Don’t Call Me Anymore.

Wow , they are so civilized. I was reading bits on the Adam/Freddy M. discussion

I would just like to say that media love does not equal success and neither does perceived excitement.

edit: please keep your opinion focused on the subject, not on the commentors

vorona
The tour video for Kris Allen’s ‘Bright Lights’  is available on iTunes today. Sounds great. Love Kris!

For anyone who downloads it, though, do me a favor. Look at 1:21-1:23 (approx) and tell me ‘” is that a mostly empty arena, and, more importantly, are those cardboard people mixed in with the real ones? I see some weirdness about 1/3 of the way over from the left ‘” an older woman sitting with what appears to be a cardboard person right in front of her or on her lap, and about 2/3 of the way over is a woman in blue who appears to be two dimensional/unmoving.

I know, I’m nuts. It makes sense that they’d tape it at a sound check or something so there’d be less crowd noise and more opportunity for cameras to circle the performer. I just have too much time on my hands today, wanted to see if I could see myself in the audience (unlikely since I never saw cameras onstage), and those flat people spooked me out.

You aren’t nuts…I noticed some strange things about the video and posted about it last night: http://mjsbigblog.com/?p=8169&cp=11#comment

No one really answered my questions about it – and I don’t know AI practices for taping concert videos. It surely does not “feel” like one of the actual performances I have seen on youtube. It has a very weird feel to it.

I think all ten idols are getting more exposure than just the tour and the internet, even tho compared to the total CD buying population, the percentages may seem small. There are many articles written about the individual idols, esp in the music sections. Music enthusiasts do read those. The idols have also been in many magazines, some idols more than others. They have also been on national morning, and evening TV shows. One brings publicity to another. I bet Kris and Adam (probably the two most well-known idols this season), are known to many more people than we can imagine. Even Adam being on TV or magazines brings publicity to Kris, because many times he is mentioned.

So, in other words, they are not just in the Idol bubble. I’ve talked to people who never watch AI, won’t go to an AI concert, never read MJ’s, but know about Adam and Kris. I also think it is great they can bounce ideas off each other and not feel threatened by each other’s success. It was Adam who told Kris that he should absolutely do Heartless — and that has been Kris’ biggest success. Can you imagine a 24-year old and a 27-year old can be more mature than some of us? I’m including myself in the us.

Looks like glow in the dark neon colors. Should be interesting to say the least!

I did not expect anything less than interesting!!

Gee Adam is rated higher than Sam Cooke, Freddy Mercury, Roy Orbison or Aretha Franklin as a rock vocalist (which he is isn’t but neither are most of them.) And he hasn’t even put out an original single or album. Oh wait, I guess NB counts. Why did I ever click on that site and give those morons a hit.

I think it is accurate for their criteria. They are talking technique, not emotional connection or impact on the music culture. They have a list that they are using to rank singers on; range, diction, breath control, etc. It has nothing to do with album sales, etc. Just technique…that’s it.

IF ANYONE SEES ADAM’s tour videos/songs on iTunes let us all know.
Presently it is just Kris’s Bright Lights video.

I am with all the posters above that are excited and willing to pay $ for Adam HD quality videos! and iTunes downloads!

just let me know when!

Gee Adam is rated higher than Sam Cooke, Freddy Mercury, Roy Orbison or Aretha Franklin as a rock vocalist (which he is isn’t but neither are most of them.) And he hasn’t even put out an original single or album. Oh wait, I guess NB counts. Why did I ever click on that site and give those morons a hit.

Why be surprised that Adam isn’t a rocker? He’s not bringing glamrock back. Nobody is. Expect more electronic music with a Gaga overlay so radio plays it.

This site is not about rock cred, original music or interpretation, it’s about the technical part of singing, very factual.

Wow , they are so civilized. I was reading bits on the Adam/Freddy M. discussion

That’s what makes it so hilarious!

http://forums.nutsie.com/viewtopic.php?t=18672

Thanks for this link. Nice to see this list based only on voice qualities:

Vocalists are rated on their Technical Skill based on their prime ability by the following criteria.

Tier 1: Breath support, register switching, register blending, pitch, vocal runs, consistency throughout registers, volume control, vibrato control, sustain, and diction.
Tier 2: Projection, Resonance, Range, and Versatility.

Influence and impact have no bearing on a singer’s placement.

Very civilized discussion.

Gee Adam is rated higher than Sam Cooke, Freddy Mercury, Roy Orbison or Aretha Franklin as a rock vocalist (which he is isn’t but neither are most of them.) And he hasn’t even put out an original single or album. Oh wait, I guess NB counts. Why did I ever click on that site and give those morons a hit.

It’s technical vocal skill only. The author made it very clear that “impact” was not factored in. Just breath support, register blending, diction, and other technical factors. His musical contribution is NOT being rated, so I don’t understand why you are bringing up original singles and albums.

jpfan: It is what it is-a community of people who love to analyze all kinds of music. They based Adam’s placement by listening to his work in the past[including his theatre and Citizen Vein songs(which are original songs)]. Even so,the category was “technical vocalist”, not “best songwriter”. I’m sorry you feel you wasted your time. The best part about the digital dream site is they could care less what a bunch of AI fans think. I dare say that few of them even watch the show. However, their discussions on all elements of music seem to be very much more factually based-rather than emotionally based.

Thanks for the explanation. Since I have now heard both Adam and Aretha live I can say without a doubt that Aretha could blow Adam, Kris, Allison and Danny combined off the stage. And I’m not even saying that’s a good thing. It’s just that her voice is that powerful. And I saw her way past her prime. She’s like a phenom.

I also think it is great they can bounce ideas off each other and not feel threatened by each other’s success.

Totally awesome point, and, as fans, we shouldn’t be threatened, either. Let’s face it, the entire top 10 are talented, or they wouldn’t be there; Only true talent could survive through many judges’ comments and voting events to be among the top 10 in the nation. Adam and Kris never felt they were “competing,” and they certainly aren’t now. They’re celebrating and showcasing their talents for the fans who voted for them and practicing for, hopefully, many tours to come. They are just SOOOOO different, and there’s really room for them both in the industry.

BeckyMD wrote:

Kris didn’t sound excited about Adam’s album tho. Not that he should. js

According to one AI stage manager, Kris “‘doesn’t do excitement!’”. lol This comment took me back to Kris filming his “I’m going to Disney World” spot and what Jim Cantiello witnessed. Scroll down to the last entry of the night:

http://newsroom.mtv.com/2009/05/20/were-live-blogging-the-american-idol-finale-2/

The most excited I have seen Kris was when he told Lindsey Parker that he was going to sing “Hey Jude” on the tour. I think it takes a LOT to get Kris really excited – it’s just not his personality to show excitement.

http://www.rockstarweekly.com/content/view/718/149/

Rockstar Weekly managed to get Kris’ comments to MTV, better than MTV did. Their headline says the guys are working together, which is much more accurate.

TIGER92:

THANK YOU! THANK YOU! THANK YOU
THAT WAS FANTASTIC READING.

Oh. And did I say thank you?

tiger92 Aug 12th, 2009 at 6:15 pm

jpfan: It is what it is-a community of people who love to analyze all kinds of music. They based Adam’s placement by listening to his work in the past[including his theatre and Citizen Vein songs(which are original songs)]. Even so,the category was ‘technical vocalist’ , not ‘best songwriter’ . I’m sorry you feel you wasted your time. The best part about the digital dream site is they could care less what a bunch of AI fans think. I dare say that few of them even watch the show. However, their discussions on all elements of music seem to be very much more factually based-rather than emotionally based.

That is why I appreciated reading the link and how and why they ranked the singers. I think that is why they can be so civil in their arguments. It is not emotionally based and not necessarily any American Idol fans. It shows people outside the supposed AI bubble are aware of Adam and are recognizing him as a vocal talent. (this is not saying he is going to be huge or sell more then anyone else, it is just pointing