Idol Headlines for 08/04/09

From today’s NYmag.com (New York Magazine):

Hugh Jackman will play the lead in Fox’s The Greatest Showman on Earth, a movie musical based on the life of circus magnate P.T. Barnum. It’ll be produced by Laurence Mark and scripted by Jenny Bicks, both of whom helped with Jackman’s opening number at February’s Oscars. Mika is in talks to compose the music, and the lead female role is being written for Anne Hathaway. Hey, remember a year ago when Fox was hell-bent on painting Jackman as a “rough-hewn Clint Eastwood type,” lest insinuations to the contrary damage his box-office appeal? Now he’s headlining a musical, and a comedy about a makeup salesman. Nice work, Adam Lambert! [Variety]

but his Emmy-nominated dance with co-star Katee Shean – ‘Mercy,’ scored by Duffy and choreographed by Mia Michaels

That was good. I went to the tour last year and it was great live, I never saw it on the show until just now when I watched the youtube clip.

ETA: “Hey, remember a year ago when Fox was hell-bent on painting Jackman as a ‘rough-hewn Clint Eastwood type,’  lest insinuations to the contrary damage his box-office appeal? Now he’s headlining a musical, and a comedy about a makeup salesman. Nice work, Adam Lambert!”

LMAO – Adam rules!

Hey, remember a year ago when Fox was hell-bent on painting Jackman as a ‘rough-hewn Clint Eastwood type,’  lest insinuations to the contrary damage his box-office appeal? Now he’s headlining a musical, and a comedy about a makeup salesman. Nice work, Adam Lambert! [Variety]

LOL!!!!!!

Mika is in talks to compose the music,

I sampled Mika’s upcoming album on Itunes, set to drop in September, it sounds fantastic.

I liked the Twitch and Katee routine and also nice to hear from Twitch. NCIS and a spin-off kind of excited about the spin-off .Darn CBS now what to watch?

Adam Lambert and Hugh Jackson mentioned in the same article..Revenge of the theater folks:)

From the news-record.com Greensboro review:

The coliseum appeared to be about half-filled with dedicated Idol fans, ranging from elementary-school-age children to seniors, many waving multi-colored glow sticks and shrieking for their favorite singers.

Does this mean the coliseum was only half full? Or only half of the audience was made up of dedicated Idol fans? I hope it means the latter. . .

Semi-random mentions of Adam popping up are always hysterical.

Mika is in talks to compose the music,

I sampled Mika’s upcoming album on Itunes, set to drop in September, it sounds fantastic.

Isn’t Greg Wells, one of Adam’s producers, the guy who produced Mika’s first album ?

Adam’s radio interview – it was posted late in the other thread, so I figured it should go here.

Up right corner of the page

http://www.1075kzl.com/pages/3692158.php

The coliseum appeared to be about half-filled with dedicated Idol fans

Surprised that the venue was so empty That’s too bad, though I was a little surprised they were doing two shows in NC, even with Anoop.

Some surprising comments in the review too – apparently they were not a fan of Matt, but liked Lil and Megan – interesting.

Also enjoyed Adam’s interview in the Baltimore Sun, especially, re the songs on the new album:

“They’re sexy,” he said. “There’s a lot of sexy songs – songs that are fun to dance to. There’s a lot of anthems and stuff you can sing along to. It pretty much just kicks ass.”

Yeah, sexy

Im leaving. For my concert in a few hours ! bye people!

Adam’s name popping up in random things reminds me of Kevin Bacon’s six degrees of separation game.

ETA: “luvadamlambert: Im leaving. For my concert in a few hours ! bye people!”

Have an awesome time!

CBS is using every tool necessary to make sure “NCIS: Los Angeles” succeeds – and maybe beats “American Idol.”

DREAM ON CBS!!! :lol_tb:

ETA: Totally off-topic, but this is also from that N.Y. Daily News article:

As for some changes CBS is looking to make this year, Tassler said she was disappointed with the network’s recent failing grade from GLAAD, the Gay and Lesbian Alliance Against Defamation, and vowed that its new series would include more gay and lesbian characters.

I guess they won’t be in NCIS: Los Angeles, what with “Don’t Ask Don’t Tell” and all.

Adam Lambert and Hugh Jackson mentioned in the same article..Revenge of the theater folks:)

Yes. Theater is making a comback!

Thanks Squirrely!

@luvadamlambert make sure to give Adam & Kris some big, wet kisses from me!

Defying expectations? Who is the Baltmore Sun fooling? The expectations were never low for Adam. Has this writer forgotten that Kara labeled him a Rock God, and Simon said he will be a world wide superstar?

It would appear to me that TPTB are afraid they have built expectations so high, that they need to be brought down a bit. I expect to see more stories along these lines, if indeed it is an effort to make expectations a bit easier to beat.

Isn’t Greg Wells, one of Adam’s producers, the guy who produced Mika’s first album ?

Yes he is. As an interesting side note, when I checked Wiki, I found that they had already added Adam Lambert to Wells’ discography list. Those guys are fast.

Defying expectations? Who is the Baltmore Sun fooling?

hmm – I didn’t read that as expectations being lowered in order for him to surpass them.

Vada
Aug 4th, 2009 at 11:02 am
Defying expectations? Who is the Baltmore Sun fooling? The expectations were never low for Adam. Has this writer forgotten that Kara labeled him a Rock God, and Simon said he will be a world wide superstar?

It would appear to me that TPTB are afraid they have built expectations so high, that they need to be brought down a bit. I expect to see more stories along these lines, if indeed it is an effort to make expectations a bit easier to beat.

I think that within the context of the article, the author means the expectations of an AI concert performance, based on Adam being the guy who lost American Idol.

Does this mean the coliseum was only half full? Or only half of the audience was made up of dedicated Idol fans? I hope it means the latter. .

Who knows what it means, but Greensboro was 85% full.

Adam’s radio interview – it was posted late in the other thread, so I figured it should go here.

Up right corner of the page

http://www.1075kzl.com/pages/3692158.php

What an amazing interview. Adam’s so quick witted! To go thru that word association, with no hesitation and be so funny, unabashed and not offend anyone, he could almost run for office!

CBS is using every tool necessary to make sure ‘NCIS: Los Angeles’  succeeds – and maybe beats ‘American Idol.’ 

DREAM ON CBS!!!

Agreed. Though NCIS and Idol share similar audiences, Idol’s is way broader (NCIS skewing older, I’m guessing), and NCIS is more likely to be dvr’ed, with Idol being watched live. My guess, at least.

And I always get a kick out of people attacking Idol’s sagging ratings. It’s still regularly in the high 20′s (27/28) while the next closest show is usually barely 20. And it has been on the air for a long time by tv standards on top of that.

Vada: I’m sure you’re on to something here. I bet the producers of AI contacted some obscure entertainment writer at the Baltimore Sun and told him to switch to project “lower expectations”. Those producers of a reality show sure do seem to control alot of the press, don’t they? The article is just what it is…a positive article on Adam’s AI journey.

tiger92, to me, it seems absurd to toy with the idea that Adam was ever the underdog.

NCIS came close a couple of times this past year (and they weren’t necessarily outright trying at that point.) I think NCIS could possible beat American Idol this year — and it’s only going to take one night of NCIS winning the showdown for AI to start overreacting and freefalling.

Still say all AI would have to do is stop trying to manipulate the outcome of the contest so hard and the ratings would go back up. I can’t even watch the show live so much because of the “judging”…and I love this cheesy show too.

And yeah, I would pick LL Cool J over Simon and his manipulative blabbering any day.

What an amazing interview. Adam’s so quick witted!

He sure is. lol He knows that politics are off limits. He didn’t even hestitate to plead the 5th on that health care question. lol

Thanks mj for all the blogs on David Cook. Loved seeing him on ESPN and the interview with a former girlfriend of his was adorable.

edit: please don’t second guess or question motives of your fellow posters

What an amazing interview. Adam’s so quick witted!

He really is–his interviews are always so delightful.

Agreed. Though NCIS and Idol share similar audiences, Idol’s is way broader (NCIS skewing older, I’m guessing), and NCIS is more likely to be dvr’ed, with Idol being watched live. My guess, at least.

LL Cool J will bring in a different and younger audience, and AI has been trending older. The average viewer this year was a middle aged woman. AI is still the number 1 show, but its not unbeatable. The problem I see NCIS possibly having is that it is just a spin off of an already popular show. How many NCIS’s do we need? If it was a new comedy or something truely new, I think it would have a better shot of beating Idol, although I do expect Idol’s viewship to continue to decline even though it probably will stay #1.

He writer particularly did not like his version of Georgia, which seems to be a crowd favorite.

I haven’t seen Matt live ofcourse, but based solely on the YT vids, I have to agree with the writer on that song. As a whole, I think Matt’s Georgia is piano lounge, his Hard To Handle is.. meh, and the less said about the Fray cover the better.
JMO.

I thought the Greensboro review was unnecessarily harsh on Matt. His Hard to Handle had the arena rocking in Tampa. I must confess that I too, labeled his other two songs as ‘snoozers’ and I stand by that. But, I do think the writer could have found a nice word for him somewhere.

As a Kris fan, I guess I should be thankful that he was nicer to Kris than to Matt.

Actually, it is a pretty good write up for Kris. Adam is the one who is being positioned for world wide icon status. Kris has made it clear that he just wants a long, successful career, and has no desire to be the biggest thing ever.

Adam Lambert keeps defying expectations is just a headline most likely hurriedly dashed off by an editor. Usually the writer of the article has nothing to do with writing the headline, so it’s really of little significance. It’s just there to catch the reader’s eye.

Huuuuuuge Anoop fan here and it’s rare in this site. So here’s my rant.

He sees himself in the R&B/pop vein. ‘It’s not T Pain or Usher,’  he said. ‘It’s very lyrical, very musical. More Ne-Yo. In my mind, that’s what R&B should be.”

I agree, that’s what R&B should be. R&B stands for Rhythm and Blues, so basically RES IPSA LOQUITOR (the thing speaks for itself). Anything outside the definition is not R&B.

And about that celestial background that he entered to early in the tour? “We cut most of that, because it was terrible,” he said. “I saw that the day of the first concert, and I was like, ‘You’ve got to be kidding me. That’s the corniest thing I’ve ever seen in my life.’…I would’ve laughed at me.”

:lol_tb: Aww, glad you agree with me, and practically everybody. Why don’t we just scrap it altogether?

While Kris was catching a film, Anoop also went to see a friend play at a club in Buckhead, the name of which escaped him.

Hmm, somehow it escaped me too. :jittery_tb:

Adam’s so quick witted!

As much as I dislike all the radio interview stuff that is a career necessity for any “new” recording artist (and for established ones, too) because of the negative IQ projected by so many DJs I do think that these will really be Adam’s “ace in the hole”.

So many of these types of interviews digress into making the artist sound like a blabbering idiot, or really demonstrate how grotesquely inarticulate they really are. After 30 seconds of huhs, and ums, and ya knows, etc. I have to turn them off (I listen to them on the internet) because they are so mind numbing.

Adam on the other hand has a certain knack for actually making the interviewer sound rather intelligent since he responds to even the silliest questions with pertinent and well-thought answers. He understands what he is saying and is amazingly PC in his thought processes…and he has an uncanny knack for getting his point across with great humour without obviously dissing others in his statement. This will be one of Adam’s true strengths and will serve him amazingly well as his album is being publicized.

From Megan’s comments, it seems that she is an exception amongst this crop of Idols in getting to present anything close to what she really is about on the tour. Sounds like she’s dressing this way on the tour against her wishes, but putting up with it considering it a short-term necessity to get where she wants to go. It seems that the type of music she’d like to put out is the farthest out there that AI has experienced. It will be interesting to see if it happens or not. I still think that modeling will be a more successful route for her than music. Then again, if she enjoys ‘screaming music’ and there’s a market for that, who really knows?

Ugh I just remembered aren’t the stupid ptotesters from the westboro baptist church coming to the d . C show tonight? I will ignore them but they’re so,………

luvadamlambert
Aug 4th, 2009 at 11:50 am
Ugh I just remembered aren’t the stupid ptotesters from the westboro baptist church coming to the d . C show tonight? I will ignore them but they’re so,’ ¦’ ¦’ ¦

I would have to point at them, and double over with laughter if I saw them, so it is probably a good thing that I am not in D.C. Taunting possibly mental defectives is rarely a good idea.
:devil_tb:

LOL vada

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Adam Lambert keeps defying expectations is just a headline most likely hurriedly dashed off by an editor. Usually the writer of the article has nothing to do with writing the headline, so it’s really of little significance. It’s just there to catch the reader’s eye.

Or-He actually IS defying expectations. His stage presence was already acknowledged but his absolutely fabulous tour performances and the all out amazing response to him on tour from reviewers, bloggers and concert goers, probably wasn’t expected to this degree. I’ll throw in the high sales of his tour merchandise here too.
Yes, I would say expectations have been left in the dust.

Oops, sorry MJ. Just to be clear, I wasn’t saying anything about motives, just interpretation; I thought it was a turn of phrase and therefore not something to take really seriously–just a headline, as Will said. I see I should have phrased it as just my opinion rather than in a “I think you’re reading this wrong” way. Would you possibly mind deleting that whole comment then?

I would have to point at them, and double over with laughter if I saw them, so it is probably a good thing that I am not in D.C. Taunting mental defectives is rarely a good idea.

Those people really do have something wrong with them, beyond even homophobia, which is awful and evil enough. But weren’t they supposed to show up at a number of concerts already? That doesn’t mean they won’t, but I think they sometimes say that they’re going to protest something just to get the attention without any plans for actually doing it.

GMA commercial advertising Friday!

And the current marquee outside the Nokia theatre :clap_tb: I’m so excited I can’t even function :jittery_tb:

I haven’t seen Matt live ofcourse, but based solely on the YT vids, I have to agree with the writer on that song. As a whole, I think Matt’s Georgia is piano lounge, his Hard To Handle is.. meh, and the less said about the Fray cover the better.

“Hard to Handle” is absolutely awesome. It demonstrates how talented Matt is, but also his dilema. It’s Jerry Lee Lewis style rock piano and has nothing to do with popular music. Geogia is OK and Matt’s The Fray cover once again demonstrates the difficulty Matt will have fitting into current music.

I think he is really, really gifted but needs to shift to piano pop, and move away from old standards (rock or classic blues) or alternative. And he should just completely forget about trying to be JT #2.

Adam Lambert keeps defying expectations is just a headline most likely hurriedly dashed off by an editor. Usually the writer of the article has nothing to do with writing the headline, so it’s really of little significance. It’s just there to catch the reader’s eye.

Will, really good point and you’re right. Headlines are written by editors, and usually in the final page make up process.

Regarding defying expections, if you forget all the hype for a moment, why shouldn’t Adam have been an AI underdog? Openly gay, Jewish/agnostic, wears makeup, accessorizes with sex toys, loves fashion and design, some of his AI performances were blatently sexual (RoF, WLL), he’s from California — even worse Hollywood-West LA, he was a headliner in the most famous gay stage show in LA, he was in musically theater, and the list can go on and on.

Until Adam, the most “out-of-the-box” person to do well on Idol was David Cook. But David only pushed the boundaries of music arrangement and talent, not personality, lifestyle and AI cultural standards.

GMA commercial advertising Friday!

And the current marquee outside the Nokia theatre. I’m so excited I can’t even function.

Sweet. :cool2_tb:

By the way, regarding the Baltimore Sun Headline, I forgot to mention that “Defying Expectations” was not the original headline of the article.

Here’s the Headline that I tweeted 9 hours ago:

The Baltimore Sun: Adam Lambert, ‘American Idol’ crowd pleaser, still on stage. http://bit.ly/lMpUx
about 9 hours ago from TweetDeck

draddee

ETA:

Just to add confirmation, other people have tweeted the same earlier headline:-

Adam Lambert, ‘American Idol’ crowd pleaser, still on stage: “I never thought I would get that far .. http://u.mavrev.com/y1kx
about 3 hours ago from twitterfeed

TrishSilver
Trish Silver

Adam Lambert, ‘American Idol’ crowd pleaser, still on stage – Baltimore Sun http://bit.ly/AtpI0
about 4 hours ago from twitterfeed

idolfanforum
American Idol Forum

. It seems that the type of music she’d like to put out is the farthest out there that AI has experienced. It will be interesting to see if it happens or not. I still think that modeling will be a more successful route for her than music. Then again, if she enjoys ‘screaming music’ and there’s a market for that, who really knows?

I like Megan’s tone, but I think she needs some serious work if she’s going to play in the big leagues. It’s one thing to admire a type of music. It’s entirely something else to be able to create it. She’s gorgeous, for sure. I wish her well.

Regarding defying expections, if you forget all the hype for a moment, why shouldn’t Adam have been an AI underdog? Openly gay, Jewish/agnostic, wears makeup, accessorizes with sex toys, loves fashion and design, some of his AI performances were blatently sexual (RoF, WLL), he’s from California ‘” even worse Hollywood-West LA, he was a headliner in the most famous gay stage show in LA, he was in musically theater, and the list can go on and on.

Until Adam, the most ‘out-of-the-box’  person to do well on Idol was David Cook. But David only pushed the boundaries of music arrangement and talent, not personality, lifestyle and AI cultural standards.

THANK. YOU!! People keep conveniently forgetting all of the above. In the past all of the above would have sunk any other contestant before even getting to the semi-final voting rounds.

It’s a freakin’ MIRACLE that Adam was even allowed to get to that point based on the typical AI standards (i.e. safe, all-American, Christian). It’s an even BIGGER miracle that the Idol audiences took to Adam like they did.

Almost everything about Adam’s Idol run is shocking, unprecedented and YES defies expectations. And even beyond the shows scope, that fact that Adam is so openly gay and that women are going INSANE over him is even MORE shocking.

And THAT is why the world is SOOO fascinated by him. Because by every typical measure in the entertainment world one would assume Adam didn’t have a shot in hell of succeeding- but HE IS!! And everyone is shocked and amazed.

Q3

‘Hard to Handle’  is absolutely awesome. It demonstrates how talented Matt is, but also his dilema. It’s Jerry Lee Lewis style rock piano and has nothing to do with popular music. Geogia is OK and Matt’s The Fray cover once again demonstrates the difficulty Matt will have fitting into current music.

I think he is really, really gifted but needs to shift to piano pop, and move away from old standards (rock or classic blues) or alternative. And he should just completely forget about trying to be JT #2

I think Matt has tried to shift to piano soft rock. The problem for him, is that his attempts at Coldplay and The Fray have come off as copy/paste performances.

IMO, that is the way he needs to go musically, but he needs to find something that will make him stand apart and not a copy.

That is the main thing that set Kris above Matt in the competition, IMO. Well that and for me, at least, Kris has that beautiful tone in his voice. The judges kept saving Matt, because they saw that he had talent. What he lacks for now, IMO, is a vision. I hope he finds one.

That doesn’t mean they won’t, but I think they sometimes say that they’re going to protest something just to get the attention without any plans for actually doing it.

Exactly. I can’t recall the exact schedule of protests that the WBC posted on their website, but I do believe they have already failed to make good on their threats to show up at certain venues. I’ll eat my hat if they’re in D.C. tonight.

When I saw the headline ‘defying expectation’ my thought went to Wicked’s ‘defying gravity’. Maybe this was what drove the headline. I don’t know.

btw, ‘defying gravity’ is a great song.

Q3 said “Until Adam, the most ‘out-of-the-box’  person to do well on Idol was David Cook. But David only pushed the boundaries of music arrangement and talent, not personality, lifestyle and AI cultural standards.”

I have no idea what that means. Comparisons of David C. and Adam L. do not make any sense to me. They are two completely different individuals and artists. Not just fans, but neutral mass media reporters, baseball players, meteorologists, charity leaders, sports anchors, and others are on record saying that Cook has an appealing, admirable personality. Whether that’s “pushing boundaries” or not, it’s good with me.

Is this the first time that American Idol is part of the GMA Summer Concert Series?

Also, does anyone know the order they perform in? I assume Adam is first. Then is it Kris then David? Or David then Kris?

Nice Baltimore Sun interview with Adam. Thoughtful and respectful, instead of the usual hype.

Deleted by Q3 who needs a cup of coffee!

Q3
Aug 4th, 2009 at 12:26 pm
Is this the first time that American Idol is part of the GMA Summer Concert Series?

Also, does anyone know the order they perform in? I assume Adam is first. Then is it Kris then David? Or David then Kris?

I hope Kris gets to go first. He has done his share of going last this summer.

I would think David might go last, since he has the hit song on the radio right now. The GMA audience is not only AI watchers, so to the general public, David is probably more visible right now, due to radio play.

Adam on the other hand has a certain knack for actually making the interviewer sound rather intelligent since he responds to even the silliest questions with pertinent and well-thought answers. He understands what he is saying and is amazingly PC in his thought processes’ ¦and he has an uncanny knack for getting his point across with great humour without obviously dissing others in his statement. This will be one of Adam’s true strengths and will serve him amazingly well as his album is being publicized.

Adam has already proven himself in many TV interviews. I think his brother summarized his interview skills when he was comparing himself (when interviewed for Adam’s 20/20 piece) to Adam. His brother was concerned that he rambles when asked questions. He pointed out that Adam was the opposite. He (Adam) is able to answer succinctly, intelligently, and with humor.

I just think Adam is innately skillful and interesting in conversation.

Richard Rushfield’s goodbye to LATimes with great Idol Memories:

An Idol Tracker’s journey ends

I don’t think Adam is being “positioned” for world wide iconic status.

It sounds to me as if the world is demanding it.

It’s so enjoyable to read about his fans in Singapore, China, Japan, Hong Kong, Venezuela, Brazil, Mexico, Chile, Canada, Finland, Denmark, Iceland, South Africa, Zanzibar, Egypt, Iran, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Holland, England, Ireland, Scotland, Ireland, Wales, Australia, New Zealand, etc, etc. and etc!

I remember reading of more countries with Adam fans – many more, in fact – but, don’t have world map right in front of me to jog my memory. But, there are “Globerts” all across the globe.

Heck, he probably has fans from Planet Fierce and Mars that we don’t even know about yet.

edit: quit signing back up after I ban you. I can spot your writing style a mile away.

Is this the first time that American Idol is part of the GMA Summer Concert Series?

Also, does anyone know the order they perform in? I assume Adam is first. Then is it Kris then David? Or David then Kris?

I thought someone said David Cook And Archuleta did it last year. Do they sing one song each since there are three?

Regarding defying expections, if you forget all the hype for a moment, why shouldn’t Adam have been an AI underdog? Openly gay, Jewish/agnostic, wears makeup, accessorizes with sex toys, loves fashion and design,

Sorry, but it sounds typical of many successful Hollywood types except for the open part.

I think Adam continues to “defy expectations”. Just look at the overwhelming response he’s had in the south. After reading all the “just wait till the tour hits the south” comments, I was slightly worried. I continue to be pleasantly surprised. From a recent interview, it seems that Adam is both surprised and appreciative of his reception thus far.

You can’t really compare Adam to Clay because Clay was deep in the closet during his AI run and positioned himself as the wholesome Christian boy. Not to mention their musical styles are polar opposites.

Richard Rushfield’s goodbye to LATimes with great Idol Memories:

That’s right. I posted it as part of today’s headlines collection.

Sorry, but it sounds typical of many successful Hollywood types except for the open part.

Ha, yes. I think, though, that people were talking specifically about Idol–and it was not at all typical for the show. There was a lot of atypicality for the show this season with Kris, Allison, and especially Adam in various ways, which I think made it very interesting.

I loved Rushfield’s farewell piece. Nearly brought a tear to my eye. But along with the sentiment, it seemed like he was getting a bit more of his snark on in preparation for Gawker

Sorry, but it sounds typical of many successful Hollywood types except for the open part. ;-

Most Hollywood guys aren’t out and walking around with that amount of make-up on. And for Idol it’s not typical either. I’m surprised he got anywhere although at first he toned it down significantly. If he had gone into the first audition wearing a lot of make-up and performing the way he does now I wonder if he would have made it past the first round.

It’s so enjoyable to read about his fans in Singapore, China, Japan, Hong Kong, Venezuela, Brazil, Mexico, Chile, Canada, Finland, Denmark, Iceland, South Africa, Zanzibar, Egypt, Iran, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Holland, England, Ireland, Scotland, Ireland, Wales, Australia, New Zealand, etc, etc. and etc!

Kuwait, don’t forget Kuwait. We have quite a few of them here. And quite a few fans of Kris as well actually.

Q3 said ‘Until Adam, the most ‘out-of-the-box’  person to do well on Idol was David Cook. But David only pushed the boundaries of music arrangement and talent, not personality, lifestyle and AI cultural standards.’ 

HappyDaisy I sooo agree with you. I also think comparisons of DC and AL don’t make any sense. As to DC’s personallity (JMO) he is one of the most genuine, unassuming people I have ever had the pleasure to meet. David led the way for people like AL to make it on idol with his inovative musical arrangements and, yes, his personality. He is a joy for most media people to interview and always puts forth such a good impression. He does well “on the fly” with their questions and never gets upset when asked the same thing over and over again. I for one am impressed with his tact and stamina. After 96 shows, he is still the same as he was in the beginning. As he says “just a goof who got lucky”. How charming is that?

That’s right. I posted it as part of today’s headlines collection.

Sorry MJ — braindead two days in a row. Yipes! :wallbash_tb:

tiger92, to me, it seems absurd to toy with the idea that Adam was ever the underdog.

Yes, because a Jewish, not hiding he was gay guy who had pictures of him with his tongue down his boys throat and dressing in drag shown become known at the early stages of the compeition could never be considered an underdog in America. Especially on the cutting edge of culture that is American Idol, where no one has ever won from north of the Mason Dixon line.

And having a theatre background has traditionally gone over so well on AI, I mean, to quote Simon from the article “theatrical and therefore not current.” And although they don’t mention it, another of the four judges called him “too theatrical,” during the audition process.

As this article points out, Adam thought he thought he would be lucky to crack the top 10. And that wasn’t an unreasonable fear for him to have had, especially when he was panned by Simon in week 11 for a performance that was extremely polarizing.

So yeah I would argue that Adam did defy expectations of the show, the theatre angle is not one that had gone over well on the show in the past, and outside of the AI angle, yeah, being gay still makes you an underdog in America today. Which is about all the article is saying and I think it’s a valid argument to make.

But that’s the boring part of that article to me, the fun part of the article is the making of sexy music and songs you can sing along to, and Adam being really, really, really, really excited about it! D’awwww. Don’t ever change super-enthusiastic Adam. I love that you live explanation points.

I also believe that Adam was an underdog all season. He shouldn’t have succeeded on American Idol, but he did despite incredible odds. And I don’t think his underdog status changed until Gokey was kicked off the show. For that reason, hearing him talk now about how he really didn’t expect to be accepted and get as far as he did on the show brings a tear to my eye. I’m not gonna lie.

Re: Megan on tour. I can’t believe how little control she’s had over her look and sound. It’s sweet that she’s going along with it, but who on earth even thought that look would be appealing? Frankly, I’m surprised they haven’t changed it since most of the reviewers/audience members have reacted negatively.

Re: Anoop’s head in the clouds. To someone who’s gone to a recent show–have they cut out Anoop’s head flying in blue fluffy clouds intro? Knowing that he’s embarrassed now gives me even more second-hand embarrassment. I’m sorry Anoop! Although, at least it’s not as creepy as Gokey’s “P….Y….T” intro.

And finally…avocados are awesome. They are the perfect food. That’s my southern California boy right there.

I also think comparisons of DC and AL don’t make any sense.

I don’t think anyone was comparing them musically, and certainly no one was commenting negatively or at all on Cook’s lovely personality–it was just a discussion of Adam being, in terms of who he was as a person, not-the-norm for the show.

Kanga22248, here is an Adam fan from Poland I cannot sleep because of you guys and this forum, what was i doing before I found it? can’t remember :wacko_tb: :wacko_tb: :wacko_tb: :wacko_tb:

I thought someone said David Cook And Archuleta did it last year. Do they sing one song each since there are three?

No, I don’t think the Davids had a GMA summer concert last year. They did the View summer concert together, one song each, and a bunch of morning shows together right after the finale in May, but I don’t recall any other joint mid-summer concerts. DC also did the Tonight Show summer concert to promote the AI concert, where they aired one song (TOML) and posted one online (My Hero), but I think that was the extent of the mid-summer concert promo last year.

Wow what a plethora of great articles to comment on today.

- That was a wonderful piece by Richard Rushfield. I love to see the warmth he feels to the Idols and what they have gone through. It’s great to have someone that loves the show spend so much time and care on reporting it. I look forward to following him on gawker.

- After reading the VFTW bit, I understand much better why the talent pool was so thin in the top 36. This was my first year watching Idol and I only watched the last 2 shows of the season live. The rest of the season I caught up on on-line during the week prior to the top 2 performance and was continually shocked at how bad some of the kids were and how excruciating it was listening to the judges blather on. It’s going to very interesting this fall to find out if they’ve hooked me into watching the show. Right now, I’m feeling inclined to suffer through the 95% excruciating crap just for a chance to glimpse something epic. But I hope that they do something to make the judges more succinct and pertinent and don’t push their favorites quite so hard.

- Loved the Adam radio interview and the ridiculous avocado discussion. I’m with the eew camp on putting it in a drink. I agree with others who’ve said this will be a great strength for him in promoting his album. I expect to see him on quite a few talk shows this November.

- I’m thinking I need to go see Rock of Ages as it sounds so fun. Mocking something while simultaneously celebrating it is right up my alley (hence my considering watching AI next season). Sounds like its time for a road trip. Anyone have any other recs of “must see’s” on or off broadway as long as I’m going?

Do you guys think that Adam and Kris will be singing Mad World and Heartless, or do you think they will be doing something new? It’s always fun getting new versions of those songs, but it would be amazing to have great footage of one of their other concert songs.

Well, David is also scheduled to appear on Regis and Kelly, which starts at 9AM EDT. Regis and Kelly tape on the UWS near Central Park, but if he performs, he’ll have to soundcheck before hand. So I would imagine that David will perform first.

And DC’s featured first in the GMA promo clip, which is set to DC’s Come Back to Me http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z5JSlIsmtH4

Also, DC’s concert in NYC on Thursday evening. Sold out. Here’s a photo of the Nokia Theatre in Time Square.

After the tour ends, he says, he’s planning on going to Los Angeles to finish his album and will then set out to promote it. “I’m having the time of my life, seriously – no David Cook puns there,” he cracked.

counseling alert: kris is starting to quote coronation songs….i wonder if he wakes up in the middle of the night , covered in sweat, screaming “boundaries!!!!”.

and yes, any news on the Good Morning America’s concert? set order? songs?

Re Megan: [snipped lots ]Frankly, I’m surprised they haven’t changed it since most of the reviewers/audience members have reacted negatively.

It’s not surprising. She’s in the bottom two and they have no intention of signing her. Why put in the time, effort and money to showcase her more truely. This way they get the hot beautiful babe to stand on stage and look pretty for a bit at the beginning of the show.

Do you guys think that Adam and Kris will be singing Mad World and Heartless, or do you think they will be doing something new?

Odds are they’ll do them again. Otherwise they’d have to pick other songs that could be done with little accompaniment and learn them and practice them. I don’t see where they have time for that.

You can’t really compare Adam to Clay because Clay was deep in the closet during his AI run and positioned himself as the wholesome Christian boy. Not to mention their musical styles are polar opposites.

I totally agree. Clay was the typical American Idol “mold”. To repeat and add: wholesome looking, Christian southern boy. Even his singing was more the American Idol mold.

and yes, any news on the Good Morning America’s concert? set order? songs?

Yes, does anyone have any clue as to whether Kris and Adam will be performing Heartless and Mad World or something new from their tour set?

75% of the avocado‘s calories come from fat. Don’t overdo it, Adam. (Okay, cheap shot, sorry.)

I hate the pink outfit that Megan wears and hate those shoes. I can’t beleive that she has so little control over what she does. And the shoes make her look ridiculous – she can’t even wolk in them. Too bad they would let he just do a jazz/rap song instead of the “Tears Dry on Their Own” Amy Winehouse cover!

And let her dress in something that reflects who she is.

Do you guys think that Adam and Kris will be singing Mad World and Heartless, or do you think they will be doing something new? It’s always fun getting new versions of those songs, but it would be amazing to have great footage of one of their other concert songs.

I agree, I really would love to hear something new. But I bet they do MW and H. Please make me wrong!! (Probably there is an article with the set list that MJ has posted in the headline and I missed it, too. LOL just kidding.)

hmm…it sounds like the perception is that because adam is/was an underdog in the context of the real world, he was also one in the context of the show. i think context here is important. i’m not sure how you can call someone who had an audition segment, a hollywood week segment, the judges backing, and led or was at the top of the voting almost every week an underdog on the show. i think it’s easy to ascribe him the “underdog” status because of his background and what we perceive the typical idol watcher would be turned off by; that’s just projection of stereotyping, much like the worries that adam wouldn’t be received well in the bible belt. imo, adam was a frontrunner from week 2 of the semifinals, and, along with danny and lil, were clear favorites going into the top 13. those three clearly dominated the votes early on.

i’m also relieved to hear the barbie megan wasn’t her idea. i don’t know what the producers are thinking, but quirky/indie megan is the megan her fans fell in love with.

It’s not surprising. She’s in the bottom two and they have no intention of signing her. Why put in the time, effort and money to showcase her more truely. This way they get the hot beautiful babe to stand on stage and look pretty for a bit at the beginning of the show.

She’s there for the dads. There’s always one each year (Haley/KLC). Sucks for her, but she’s getting paid way more than she would at home, so… I guess it’s worth it to her.

75% of the avocado’s calories come from fat. Don’t overdo it, Adam. (Okay, cheap shot, sorry.)

Yes, cheap shot, but true regarding the stinky part about avocadoes, they have to be eaten in moderation if you are watching your weight. Trust me I know.

isisdagmar
Aug 4th, 2009 at 1:09 pm
Do you guys think that Adam and Kris will be singing Mad World and Heartless, or do you think they will be doing something new? It’s always fun getting new versions of those songs, but it would be amazing to have great footage of one of their other concert songs.

I think it will most likely be Heartless and Mad World . Also, Kris and Adam have a concert that same evening, don’t they? So, I don’t see them doing more than one number each. The GMA will most probably be mostly a Cook event, with Adam and Kris as the opening act.

GMA…

Cook will perform with his band so I assume that there will be a break between the sets.

Kris and Adam will perform with the AI tour band so they can sing anything the band has practiced. I think it will be Killers for Kris and Muse for Adam…but who knows? It will be fun to watch and listen and be surprised for a change.

And the current marquee outside the Nokia theatre I’m so excited I can’t even function

David C sold out the Nokia Theatre, good for him! He’s doing a big show then have to get up early for the GMA concert, someone is going to be cranky….

haven’t seen Matt live ofcourse, but based solely on the YT vids, I have to agree with the writer on that song. As a whole, I think Matt’s Georgia is piano lounge, his Hard To Handle is.. meh, and the less said about the Fray cover the better.
JMO.

Well, I have seen the concert live three times now….the last three shows (my home puts me relatively close to all three of those venues).

I have always liked Matt and for me I have debated in my mind whether I preferred Matt or Kris. I always felt like Matt on a good day was better than Kris on a good day, but that Kris had way more good days than Matt, if that makes any sense.

I came in expecting greatness from Matt because I had heard many great reviews. And I did enjoy his set. It’s very high energy and he tears the piano up. I would call Matt an entertainer and a showman…both good things to be, but I don’t think he is a great singer. But he definately keeps you entertained.

The first concert I went to was in Atlanta. I had heard great things about Matt’s Georgia On My Mind, and I did enjoy it. However, in the middle of the song, my sister, who actually was a HUGE Elliott fan during season 5 (not a Taylor fan), leaned over to me and said “Taylor was sooooo much better on this song.” After that the comparison set in and well, yeah, Matt’s wasn’t as good as Taylor’s to me.

The Fray song, I didn’t hate as much as everyone else. Matt has this unique almost strident vocal tone on that song that kinda fits it imo. The problem is that Matt has a difficult time with his falsetto, and imo he did on the show too. There is a part in the song where he goes up into his falsetto, and totally misses it. My sister and I looked at each other and cringed. It was funny because at the last concert in Greensboro during that same part of the song, he NAILED the falsetto, and my sister and I both turned immediately toward each other with shocked expression and said at the same time…”he did good that time!” lol.

With all of that said, I do think Matt has a lot of talent. I really do. I think there has to be a place for him in the music industry. He really is a showman and I definately think that he kept the crowd engaged and entertained. I, personally, would love to see him signed and succeed.

I think it will be Killers for Kris and Muse for Adam’ ¦but who knows?

That’s what I’m hoping for, but it probably will be Mad World and Heartless. These guys seems stuck performing “their song” until their CDs drop. Maybe we will be surprised, though, and at the very least we’ll get beautifully recorded versions of those songs, and I always love hearing how they change these songs up, especially Mad World.

“Bowie’s a great example of somebody that brought out visual theatrics to help him tell his story,” he said.

i really hope he tries to channel his inner Bowie on his debut album…..an artist capable of peforming with glizts AND heart, while creating music that withstood the test of time. give us more bowie, less lady ga ga

i feel a backlash brewing against gaga/katy perry. i dont want adam’s album to come out right as that type of music is becoming overrated.

I have always liked Matt and for me I have debated in my mind whether I preferred Matt or Kris. I always felt like Matt on a good day was better than Kris on a good day, but that Kris had way more good days than Matt, if that makes any sense.

I feel exactly the same! It’s the most frustrating thing about being a Matt fan, the inconsistency. When he nails it though, he really connects and impresses, even more so than Kris. I hope he gets some more training, or that this tour really hones his vocals somehow. He has sooo much potential.

Kris and Adam will perform with the AI tour band so they can sing anything the band has practiced. I think it will be Killers for Kris and Muse for Adam’ ¦but who knows? It will be fun to watch and listen and be surprised for a change.

Squeee! So happy to hear this. I’m keeping my fingers crossed for Muse. I’d love to have a decent recording of Adam doing Muse without an inordinate amount of crowd noise.

JMS — Rock of Ages IS a lot of fun and Constantine is really good in it…if you are coming to bway, go see the Adam-approved Hair (which is just fantastic) and I personally recommend Next to Normal, one of the most compelling musicals I have ever seen. The score is terrific (won the Tony) the performances are great (Tony for best actress) and it is really emotional.

OK. I finally took the plunge this morning and got tickets for tonight’s show in D.C. I had been debating about whether or not to go. But there were so many great reviews posted here. And when I checked Ticketmaster, there still seemed to be some good seats left – or at least seats that appear to be good.

I love Kradison and I like Matt/Anoop. I don’t like crazy people. But I guess I will have to take the good with the bad.

I think Kris will be performing Heartless and Adam will be doing Mad World, no matter how much people want a change. The biggest reason I think this is they already have clearance to perform these. Not everyone watches every single appearance they are in so for some these will probably refresh their memory of the Idol season and hopefully try and get them to buy tour tickets.

I totally agree. Clay was the typical American Idol ‘mold’ . To repeat and add: wholesome looking, Christian southern boy. Even his singing was more the American Idol mold

Clay screamed Friend of Dorothy from the moment he opened his mouth LOL (and I say this as a clay fan who voted for him! ) And he definitely got bashed w. the “too theatrical” comments from the judges more so than Adam….whereas they critiqued Adam in the beginning, Clay got a fair share during the actually show (top ten and so).

I dont even think Cook was that daring (again, im a cookie fan), considering bo bice and daughtry paved the way for him to re-invent songs and not sing them straightforward/ karaoke style.

The only guy I would describe as out of the box/alternative was Blake.

AC
Aug 4th, 2009 at 1:53 pm
I think Kris will be performing Heartless and Adam will be doing Mad World, no matter how much people want a change. The biggest reason I think this is they already have clearance to perform these. Not everyone watches every single appearance they are in so for some these will probably refresh their memory of the Idol season and hopefully try and get them to buy tour tickets.

You are probably right, although I think the Killers’ song (it is easier to type that, than the mile long title) would make a great opening song to get the crowd fired up.

From E! Online

Adam Lambert’s Fans Throwing Sex Toys Onstage!

Fans have taken it up a notch from throwing bras and panties at Adam Lambert during the American Idol summer tour. Now they’re tossing up sex toys.

“It interesting,” he says. “I got some glow-in-the-dark handcuffs. It’s really getting creative. It’s exciting. I think they really want me to play with these toys during the number.”

Yes, comments from your typical Idol Tour!?!

I just read the VOTE FOR THE WORST piece. Sadly, I now have a new appreciation for their mission. The world has officially turned upside down.

it is easier to type that, than the mile long title

Vada, if it helps, you could abbreviate and use ATTTID, which looks absurd but is quick to type.

I’d love to hear ATTTID and Starlight. But I guess they probably will stick to their “signature songs” and most fans/viewers haven’t watched every single version out there, anyways. And hey, they sing them well, so a new version is a nice thing.

OK. I finally took the plunge this morning and got tickets for tonight’s show in D.C. I had been debating about whether or not to go. But there were so many great reviews posted here. And when I checked Ticketmaster, there still seemed to be some good seats left – or at least seats that appear to be good.

That’s great BCU79, hope you have a blast. Unfortunately, that doesn’t sound like particularly good news for the tour tonight. Hope this concert isn’t going to be sparsely attended. I wonder how all of the concerts in the northeast are selling, there are a lot of them.

‘It interesting,’  he says. ‘I got some glow-in-the-dark handcuffs. It’s really getting creative. It’s exciting. I think they really want me to play with these toys during the number.’ 

Uh oh, Clearone is not going to like this.

Adam is the one who is being positioned for world wide icon status. Kris has made it clear that he just wants a long, successful career, and has no desire to be the biggest thing ever.

Adam has the same dream as Kris. He just wants a long, successful career and has no desire to be the biggest thing ever. I’m pretty sure that’s the dream of Anoop, Matt, Allison and other idols.

Media, producers and some music critics; they are the ones who’s projecting Adam to that World Wide icon status, due to the talent that he has. On the Baltimore Sun article he said it again that Adam actually didn’t have confidence to make it this far, cuz he knows he’s so out of the box. Adam’s just so grateful that he can make records and a living doing things that he loves.

Vada – Why do you think Adam and Kris can get a long so well? They look so much different (coz that’s how AI and media portray them to make it interesting) but I believe their personalities are so much a like and both are good young men. Otherwise they won’t be as good friend as they are now, despite of all the things that media wrote about them.

Uh oh, Clearone is not going to like this.

Yes, I had the exact same thought when I saw this interview. Adam’s actually encouraging fans to be creative! But then he does say:

I think they really want me to play with these toys during the number.”

So does he? “I always try to because I enjoy that,” he says. “But then somebody threw a bra on during ‘Starlight,’ and, literally, it missed my face by three inches. Yeah, I am going to be a little bit more passive-aggressive, so I decided not to even acknowledge the bra that got thrown on stage, because I didn’t want to condone the behavior.”

That also explains the messed up verse in the Starlight performance!

BCU79, have a great time!
If it was anything like the Glendale concert that I attended, it will be well worth it.

Kanga22248:

I don’t think Adam is being ‘positioned’  for world wide iconic status.

It sounds to me as if the world is demanding it.

You’ve just touched on some of the emerging aspects of commerce in an Information Age.

The internet allows the teeny tiniest niches to form and become a profitable market. (Because all the potential purchasers gather in the same places.) And at the same time the digital highway can erase, pardon the expression, “boundrays” of what used to be geographically defined markets. Anyone anywhere can get interested in any thing.

And the law of large numbers is always at play when you’re discussing global franchises. Tiny slivers of interest from the merest fraction of computer enabled potential purchasers adds up. Which, again, is how niches can be profitable and world wide successes so huge.

Shows like AI are gateways. They’re known showcases, fun and easy to view. A few interested parties, including ex-pats, can tune in around the globe. Spread the word. Look how Susan Boyle went global overnight because of YouTube. Think of Adam going out from US in the same phenom way.

iTunes is not available equally everywhere. And has separate geographic markets. Liscencing laws and cost of business are part of that. Amazon US will ship hard copy CD’s anywhere I think. Though piracy is a huge international challenge. (And IMHO the short-sighted, foot dragging of music biz to embrace technology contributed to that, but that’s another discussion.)

However, there is no question Adam is being positioned for international sales. Every PR release mentions it. His international potential is why both Simons (Cowell and Fuller) had to keep wiping the drool off their faces every time they thought of the possibilities.

David Cook got slammed last year on some of the boards, for not discouraging his fans when they threw some undergarments during his tour set. Oh, how things have changed in a year.

‘It interesting,’  he says. ‘I got some glow-in-the-dark handcuffs. It’s really getting creative. It’s exciting. I think they really want me to play with these toys during the number.’ 

Uh oh, Clearone is not going to like this.

Thought the same thing….but I am ok with it…..

‘It interesting,’  he says. ‘I got some glow-in-the-dark handcuffs. It’s really getting creative. It’s exciting. I think they really want me to play with these toys during the number.’ 

Uh oh, Clearone is not going to like this.

:yell_tb: Geez Adam….see how you like it when something bonks you in the head. :doh_tb: Some of us are there to hear you sing you know not watch you play. Sigh…….

ETA maybe there is some hope after seeing what Q3 just posted…..

Clay screamed Friend of Dorothy from the moment he opened his mouth LOL (and I say this as a clay fan who voted for him! ) And he definitely got bashed w. the ‘too theatrical’  comments from the judges more so than Adam’ ¦.whereas they critiqued Adam in the beginning, Clay got a fair share during the actually show (top ten and so).

Well the majority of his earlier fans (the middle aged housewives, grannies and tweens who were too young to figure it out yet) thought he was straight or at best asexual.

And Clay wasn’t bashed anymore than Adam was. Yeah, Simon thought he was dorky and preferred Ruben over him but he respected his vocal talent. Paula and Randy loved Clay.

ETA- Edited to remove underdog comments, bowing out of that convo.

Clay screamed Friend of Dorothy from the moment he opened his mouth

But only to people who are aware that there are others who are different. I had friends who were shocked to find out Adam was gay when the Rolling Stone article came out. How they could watch him all season long and never stumble on to this realization bewildered me. But I think they and people like them represent a huge block of the idol audience.

‘But then somebody threw a bra on during ‘Starlight,’ and, literally, it missed my face by three inches. Yeah, I am going to be a little bit more passive-aggressive, so I decided not to even acknowledge the bra that got thrown on stage, because I didn’t want to condone the behavior.’ 

Yay! You tell them Adam. No tossing things during Starlight and Mad World. There’s a time and place for play in your set and those aren’t it.

Some of us are there to hear you sing you know not watch you play. Sigh’ ¦’ ¦.

But most of us are there to see BOTH!

The upside to the new X-rated projectiles? “I’m glad it was a soft material and wasn’t anything hard. I’m not really into S&M, but it’s definitely tempting.”

Oh, Adam!

I agree, oh Adam, how I love you, don’t ever change. And yeah, sorry about that clearone. But he did say he was going to be passive aggressive about it and start ignoring bras and the like, well at least at times. So maybe that will help?

I swear, only Adam can talk about S&M and not “condoning” certain behavior in the same article and make it sound natural.

iTunes is not available equally everywhere. And has separate geographic markets. Liscencing laws and cost of business are part of that. Amazon US will ship hard copy CD’s anywhere I think. Though piracy is a huge international challenge. (And IMHO the short-sighted, foot dragging of music biz to embrace technology contributed to that, but that’s another discussion.)

Adam’s music is already available all over the world — albeit sometimes not legally distributed. A friend of mine recently bought an Adam Lambert CD in Thailand. It’s actually very good quality and contains the iTunes album songs plus a couple other bonus Adam tracks.

RCA has the ability to really do a worldwide release and album promotion, they just need product they believe in — not necessarily good, but commercial with International appeal. And I don’t have much problem seeing Adam doing well in many countries — including the US.

Time will tell! Only about 3 months to go.

maybe there is some hope after seeing what Q3 just posted’ ¦..

Yeah maybe, because when it’s distracting from the performance it’s really not cool.

ETA:

I swear, only Adam can talk about S&M and not ‘condoning’  certain behavior in the same article and make it sound natural

I know!

I would say most of us are there to hear Adam sing and watch him play, emote, shimmy, shake, strut, sparkle, sex up the place, knock our socks off, dazzle our eyes, imbue us with feelings we haven’t had in many a year and, yes, swing those whips and handcuff and potholders (still holding out for those).
I’m in for the entire package. Glad Adam is as well. :jittery_tb:

But I do agree that bra tossing during songs like Starlight and Mad World and having a bad aim should not be encouraged. Adam knows that, as he says, and will deal with it in what sounds like the most appropriate way.

Clay screamed Friend of Dorothy from the moment he opened his mouth

But only to people who are aware that there are others who are different. I had friends who were shocked to find out Adam was gay when the Rolling Stone article came out. How they could watch him all season long and never stumble on to this realization bewildered me. But I think they and people like them represent a huge block of the idol audience.

To some he might have screamed that but not to all. It’s unfair to categorize everyone that way (plus some of us actually took Clay at his word when he said he was straight in RS – shock!) I’ve said it before, if those pictures hadn’t surfaced of Adam early on I would have thought he was just a glam rocker nothing about him ‘pinged’ with me because I choose not to stereotype. I know many guys who you would think are gay but they’re not. Adam doesn’t even come close to that stereotype to me.

“David Cook got slammed last year on some of the boards, for not discouraging his fans when they threw some undergarments during his tour set. Oh, how things have changed in a year.”

Ain’t it the truth.

FifthHouseSun
However, there is no question Adam is being positioned for international sales. Every PR release mentions it. His international potential is why both Simons (Cowell and Fuller) had to keep wiping the drool off their faces every time they thought of the possibilities.
THIS
I am so waiting to buy Adam’s CD. If he came to Europe I would drop everything and go to his concert in no time… I was even considering going to visit some friends in the US, to have an excuse to go to an AI concert, but my common sense took over…. I am pretty sure that I’m not the only one crazy fan from outside the US

‘David Cook got slammed last year on some of the boards, for not discouraging his fans when they threw some undergarments during his tour set. Oh, how things have changed in a year.’ 

Isn’t it more like the more things change, the more they stay the same? In some ways, at least.

I swear, only Adam can talk about S&M and not ‘condoning’  certain behavior in the same article and make it sound natural
I know!

I love this.

Some of us are there to hear you sing you know not watch you play. Sigh’ ¦’ ¦.

He could stand perfectly still and sing and not move at all. I hope not though.

Q3
What an amazing interview. Adam’s so quick witted! To go thru that word association, with no hesitation and be so funny, unabashed and not offend anyone, he could almost run for office!
I also think that due to his outstanding upbringing Adam knows how to behave in every situation – I’ve noticed how he can totally be himself, yet change his manner of speach, tone of voice even, depending on who he is talking to – he was different on Regist, different talking to Ellen, totally different when talking to Slezak – this boy will go far

‘It interesting,’  he says. ‘I got some glow-in-the-dark handcuffs. It’s really getting creative. It’s exciting. I think they really want me to play with these toys during the number.’ 

Ah, so this is “pushing the boundaries,” what “everyone loves,” and the future of the music of the world?

Lovely.

Q3
What an amazing interview. Adam’s so quick witted! To go thru that word association, with no hesitation and be so funny, unabashed and not offend anyone, he could almost run for office!

Agathe.bb
I also think that due to his outstanding upbringing Adam knows how to behave in every situation – I’ve noticed how he can totally be himself, yet change his manner of speach, tone of voice even, depending on who he is talking to – he was different on Regist, different talking to Ellen, totally different when talking to Slezak – this boy will go far

Yes, this is one of the things I find most amazing about him. It seems to be instinctual for him to mirror back the mannerisms and priorities of the people he’s talking to. He just naturally morphs into someone they’d want as a friend while still retaining the core of himself. I’m thinking this is something he learned early on and is such a natural part of himself, I’m not sure he could stop if he tried. He is a huge people pleaser who is very focused on giving others what they want from him.

Hey, remember a year ago when Fox was hell-bent on painting Jackman as a ‘rough-hewn Clint Eastwood type,’  lest insinuations to the contrary damage his box-office appeal? Now he’s headlining a musical, and a comedy about a makeup salesman. Nice work, Adam Lambert! [Variety]

Eh? What, does NY Magazine (or is it Variety?) have the memory of a housefly?

Hugh Jackman freakin’ won the Tony Award for his performance of Peter Allen in “The Boy From Oz”. He was all over the TV promoting it and doing performances from it. He even hosted the Tonys that year (well, he hosted them from 2003-2005) and I seem to recall he did at least one of his numbers from that show. If Hugh and Fox have no problems with him playing Peter Allen, I don’t think that anybody is going to bat an eye about him being a make-up salesmen.

I might expect this from some tiny newspaper in DinkyTown, FlyOverState, but I would have presumed the NY Press might actually follow what’s going on in Broadway and have a memory that extends back further than 5 years. Credibility lost.

“I feel exactly the same! It’s the most frustrating thing about being a Matt fan, the inconsistency. When he nails it though, he really connects and impresses, even more so than Kris. I hope he gets some more training, or that this tour really hones his vocals somehow. He has sooo much potential.”

I am sure he will get the consistency in due time. He has good quality voice and nice persona.

“i feel a backlash brewing against gaga/katy perry.”

Not sure about this but both lady gaga and katy perry are big in different parts of the world. Lady Gaga is going to asia for a concert and a lot of people are excited about it.

Lady Gaga is going to asia for a concert and a lot of people are excited about it.

She’s in Japan right now.

‘David Cook got slammed last year on some of the boards, for not discouraging his fans when they threw some undergarments during his tour set. Oh, how things have changed in a year.’ 

Isn’t it more like the more things change, the more they stay the same? In some ways, at least.

I see no reason to “slam” either Cook or Adam for the stupid behavior of some of their fans. That doesn’t change the fact that I think interrupting his set with these antics is idiotic, disrespectful attention-whoring.

“I see no reason to ‘slam’  either Cook or Adam for the stupid behavior of some of their fans. That doesn’t change the fact that I think interrupting his set with these antics is idiotic, disrespectful attention-whoring.”

I see no reason also……but it happened, like it was DC’s fault.

If anyone is interested in the DC concert. Ticketmaster is selling Floor 2 seats. I know someone who just bought Row F tickets, Floor 2 — that’s the center. Appears they are now back to Row Z but amazing for the day of show.

HappyDaisy I definately agree with your post at 2:57

jms, I find it typical for people who give out their positive energy to others; and Adam often talks about “energy” and that some things take “lots of energy”, etc.
For people like that (I know, cause I’m one of them), it’s a natural thing to try to make everybody feel good; if you meet another energy giver – it’s all roses and daisies, however, if you meet an “energy vampire”, that’s another story
I think, it’s one of the reasons people react so well to him – he gives them “every inch of his energy”
but it takes its toll on him, unfortunately

When he nails it though, he really connects and impresses, even more so than Kris.

This in such an interesting sentiment to me because I just have never seen Matt’s connection with what he is singing. I’ve wanted to like him so much all season and I just couldn’t get into him.

I wouldn’t have understood this opinion either, until I saw the AI concert. Matt was not even on my radar until I saw him perform live. What a difference it made! The tour is an incredible medium which reaches hundreds of thousands of people who were not initially interested in certain performers. Some of the idols seem to be getting rave reviews from reviewers, bloggers, and concert attendees. I think Matt is one of those who is consistently surprising people. The tour is a once in a lifetime chance for most of these idols! I think several of them should try and figure out a way to connect to their audience and use this tour to their advantage. Some are gaining fans and some are losing ground.

Though not in drinks. Icky. Who does that?

Sorry, I’ve been skimming and I guess there is some article about Adam and avacados? They can be really good in smoothies.

Though not in drinks. Icky. Who does that?

Sorry, I’ve been skimming and I guess there is some article about Adam and avacados? They can be really good in smoothies.

Or Bloody Marys!

When he nails it though, he really connects and impresses, even more so than Kris.

Matt is really good live. He definitely has more stage presence than Kris. I think he must have had nerves on the show or something.

anovitch
This in such an interesting sentiment to me because I just have never seen Matt’s connection with what he is singing. I’ve wanted to like him so much all season and I just couldn’t get into him.
I agree with you 100% – Kris is sincere and “what you hear is what you get”, while Matt, although I like him, …. I don’t know there is something not entirely sincere about him… somebody on this forum said that his smile never reaches his eyes… I tend to agree…

CBS is using every tool necessary to make sure ‘NCIS: Los Angeles’  succeeds

To quote Adam (though he was asked about Michael Vick – like he’d care about him?): “I don’t know who that is” … yep, I never heard of the show and it’s been on for 3-4 years? shows what I know about pop culture … well, I won’t be tempted to move over to that show from Idol. The only thing that concerns me about the next Idol season is no Adam so maybe I’ll read a good book.

but amazing for the day of show.

It’s actually very typical for the day of the show. Good seats always pop up around noonish for those who have the nerve to wait. Like me. That’s how I always wind up near the front.

THIS. Kris fit the typical Idol voter audience and winner profile

LOL. I won’t get into the underdog debate, but I couldn’t let this one go. I just can’t get the pattern of what a typical winner profile is. Here are the finalists as I see them:

Season 1:
Winner: Sassy, chubby white chick with major pipes who sings pop.
Runner-up: Mixed-race dude who knows how to EF the camera

Season 2:
Winner: R&B, Velvet-Teddy-bear, chubby African-American guy with default hamburger hand gesture
Runner-Up: Skinny white guy, wildly rumoured to be gay who never met a glory note he didn’t like and excellent diction.

Season 3:
Winner: Fierce Urban African-American single mother who can sing her face off and leave Simon stunned.
Runner-Up: Hispanic pretty pink pagent princess.

Season 4:
Winner: Blonde, stick-thin, country fembot
Runner-up: Southern-rocker hippie guy.

Season 5:
Winner: Grey-haired, monkey dancing, Soul/Southern Rock guy
Runner-up: Model/Actress/Singer with a stage mama (it was part of her back-story)

Season 6:
Winner: Mixed-race R&B female singer
Runner-up: Beat-boxing white guy with a tonne of tats and a Mac. Electro-dance style.

Season 7:
Winner: Balding white rocker who can re-arrange just about any song.
Runner-up: Little kid with pipes who licks his lips too much and rumoured to have stage dad from hell. A young Josh Groban?

I’m just not seeing the pattern here of the typical winner or runner-up. I think there is actually a lot of variety.

I haven’t met one Kris fan IRL who likes Adam at all and they all would have either voted for Danny or not voted at all.

Natasha, I am an Adam/Danny fan. When I went to my 3 concerts, I was shocked to find out that all of the Adam fans that I ran into, except for one, preferred Danny over Kris. I was NOT expecting this at all, and was prepared to have to “defend” Danny over mean spirited remarks. I did not find one Adam fan that had much good to say about Kris….although I did talk briefly to a teenage girl who was an Adam/Kris fan.

I spent alot of time at the barricades in Atlanta, Charlotte, and Greensboro, so I had lots of time to talk to other fans. It was very surprising to me to talk to real non Internet AI junkies. Some of them had visited AI sites, but didn’t live there like I do….lol. These people had a TOTALLY different perception of Danny than many of the people I run into online.

There was a girl at one venue, who based on her comments, I believe was a lesbian. She LOVED Adam….said she was a total Adam fantard. Her comments on Danny were that if Adam had to lose then she would have preferred that he lose to Danny because at least Danny could really SING, and she also said she thought that Danny was “cool”.

The lady sitting beside me at the Charlotte concert was a big Adam fan, but she said the she also thought that Danny and Allison were extremely good singers.

The Adam fan (Adam t-shirt) standing in line in front of me going into the Charlotte venue looked at my tourbook, and when she got to Danny’s picture, she said, “oh there’s sweet, sweet Danny. He really deserved to make it to the finale. He’s a great singer.” Her and her husband (another Adam fan) both said that everyone they worked with liked either Danny or Adam….as they did at my workplace, too. The husband liked Megan, too….lol.

It went on and on like this. Color me VERY surprised because hanging out online, I fully expected people to bash Danny. It doesn’t seem to be like that in the real world…it seemed to me that most people appreciate Danny as a singer.

There was the one girl in Greensboro, who I let squeeze in at the front of the barricade with me, only to hear her bash Danny…..urgh, but overall, I had VERY VERY positive feedback as a Danny fan.

Adam is by FAR the most popular idol, though….not even close for the others. I knew this, but it was even more evident at the concerts. Although, I did wonder at times if it was because Adam lost to Kris, that his fans felt like they had something to prove…but Adam gets the most applause by a long shot. My ears actually hurt.

Kirsten, Loved your summary of winners and runners up. It was spot on. :clap_tb: :jittery_tb: :lol_tb:

Natasha,
The entire Kradam thing is totally one-sided with most of them being Adam fans who like Kris and a few Kris fans who pretend to like Adam. I haven’t met one Kris fan IRL who likes Adam at all and they all would have either voted for Danny or not voted at all.
You really think so? I was hoping all the Kris and Adam fans were sending positive vibes????
well, I am a CRAZY Adam fan, but if he had been eliminated, I would have voted for Kris, 100%! So maybe not all Adam fans are bitter and crazy and nasty???? just hoping for some reconciliation here….

Reminder:

Rehashing the season 8 again? You guys know I delete that stuff. And I am, right now.

I’m leaving now and hoping Adam has emo ! hair :jittery_tb:

After reading the VFTW bit, I understand much better why the talent pool was so thin in the top 36.

I read the VFTW article and was disturbed by it. Are these allegations true? The anecdotes made it sound like there was a huge group of plants, and the whole set up with different tables looking for different types of “characters,” and no label for the tables so that you could accidentally end up at any…seems so chaotic and messy. My immediate reaction is that ppl are exaggerating a lot, but…

I think there was also a huge anti-Danny vote out there. This is probably a big part of the reason Danny didn’t make it to the finale – at least IMHO.

I thought it was “Dream On.”

Kirsten Aug 4th, 2009 at 3:55 pm

THIS. Kris fit the typical Idol voter audience and winner profile

LOL. I won’t get into the underdog debate, but I couldn’t let this one go. I just can’t get the pattern of what a typical winner profile is. Here are the finalists as I see them:

Season 1:
Winner: Sassy, chubby white chick with major pipes who sings pop.

Season 2:
Winner: R&B, Velvet-Teddy-bear, chubby African-American guy with default hamburger hand gesture

Season 3:
Winner: Fierce Urban African-American single mother who can sing her face off and leave Simon stunned.

Season 4:
Winner: Blonde, stick-thin, country fembot

Season 5:
Winner: Grey-haired, monkey dancing, Soul/Southern Rock guy

Season 6:
Winner: Mixed-race R&B female singer

Season 7:
Winner: Balding white rocker who can re-arrange just about any song.

I’m just not seeing the pattern here of the typical winner or runner-up. I think there is actually a lot of variety.

And what do all of these have in common? Most of them Christian. Most of them from the South (or at least from small town middle America). Heterosexual and “family friendly”. All appeared to be struggling amateurs plucked out of obscurity who America thinks probably wouldn’t have made it if it wasn’t for American Idol.

Adam was gay, Jewish, from the big city, tons of professional experience, slick, professional and oh so “Hollywood”.

I’m just not seeing the pattern here of the typical winner or runner-up

I’m really, really thrilled with how things are turning out for Adam and Kris (and as I’ve said before, I think that Kris winning was best for both of them) and I think that they made it to the final 2 because they were the most creative and musically knowledgeable contestants, but:

aren’t all of the winners Southern/midwestern Christians? Most of them seem to be actually from the south, and Cook is the only one whose religious beliefs aren’t public knowledge. Other than there seems to be no pattern, but those qualities do seem pretty constant.

As for Adam and Kris fans: Adam and Kris have commented that they really like it that they seem to share so many fans, and I think they do. I’m certainly a fan of both–I love Adam and like Kris tremendously. I love Allison too, and that’s pretty much it. I don’t know that enough Kris fans loved Adam to the point that he would have won against Danny, but I do think that many people who loved Adam at least liked Kris and Allison, and many people who loved Kris at least liked Adam and Allison. Those three seemed to share quite a few fans. That’s my experience, anyway, and certainly a community like ontd_ai is full of Kradison lovers. Not all those people are fans of all three’s music, though many are, but almost all of them really like all three as people and wish them well.

If anyone is interested in the DC concert. Ticketmaster is selling Floor 2 seats. I know someone who just bought Row F tickets, Floor 2 ‘” that’s the center. Appears they are now back to Row Z but amazing for the day of show.

Wow. Row Y was the best I could get at 11:30 this morning. Ticketmaster was holding out on me apparently. Ha!

NVM the rest. Not worth it.

aek: Count me in as someone who was shocked at all the Danny fans around me at the concert. I guess I was just used to what I saw on the boards. Danny’s reception and his connection to the audience surprised me. I’m still not sure where he is heading but he seems to have lot of folks(outside the internet) ready to go with him. I’m not a big fan, but he is using the tour to his advantage-good for him!

I’m just not seeing the pattern here of the typical winner or runner-up. I think there is actually a lot of variety

I agree there is no pattern to the makup of AI winners in regards to physical appearance, race and gender. I do think there is a pattern, however, in regards to social, religious and geographical attributes…i.e. southern or midwestern, hetrosexual and Christian.

I’m leaving now and hoping Adam has emo ! hair

I love you for this.

I’m leaving now and hoping Adam has emo ! hair

I love “emo!” with the exclamation mark. It seems so antithetical to all that is emo. Have a wonderful time!

And I would agree that all the winners are southern or midwestern and Christian, but it’s working out extremely well for both Kris and Adam right now, so that’s okay by me.

Not sure about this but both lady gaga and katy perry are big in different parts of the world.

just got picked by british readers (music mag) as the number 1 overrated musical act/band….slowly but surely it will reach the states.

Winner: Balding white rocker who can re-arrange just about any song.

Aww leave David alone. Maybe he will shave his head and assume an attude like Chris Daughtry. He can tattoo COOKIE across his back, so fierce.

I agree there is no pattern to the makup of AI winners in regards to physical appearance, race and gender. I do think there is a pattern, however, in regards to social, religious and geographical attributes’ ¦i.e. southern, hetrosexual and Christian.

Isn’t David Cook an agnostic though?

aek
this is the first time I’ve met with this perspective – it’s very interesting and actually inspiring, I always wanted all the fans to just get TOGETHER!!!! To hear that people can like Danny and Adam at the same time – it’s GREAT

undercooked: I do think there is a pattern, however, in regards to social, religious and geographical attributes’ ¦i.e. southern, hetrosexual and Christian.

and this is easily explained:
1. Christian – 75% of population
2. Hetro’s – 95 % of population
3. Southern Race – 99% of brains, brawn,beauty,and talent.

Isn’t David Cook an agnostic though?

Yes, but he has two out of the three I listed. Also, I don’t know how many people who watched the show knew that. It would be easy to assume he was Christian.

3. Southern Race – 99% of brains, brawn,beauty,and talent.

They lose alot of brain points for making Sweet Tea though….yuck!

‘So You Think You Can Dance’: Chatting with Melissa Sandvig and Ade Obayomi

i was pleasantly surprised to see ade credit travis so much and call him an inspiration…..

Sherena:
I read the VFTW article and was disturbed by it. Are these allegations true? The anecdotes made it sound like there was a huge group of plants, and the whole set up with different tables looking for different types of ‘characters,’  and no label for the tables so that you could accidentally end up at any’ ¦seems so chaotic and messy. My immediate reaction is that ppl are making this up or exaggerating a lot, but’ ¦
It IS disturbing… judging based on this, one could think that Adam, Danny, Kris, Allison…. were all PLANTS???????

mmb, thanks for the recs! With luck I’ll be able to get to all of them.

Isn’t David Cook an agnostic though?

It is known that David Cook attended church camps as a youngster. On the other hand there was a mention of agnosticism on a Xanga page many years back. But who knows what his current thinking is. In the last 2 years he has never spoken publicly on the subject.

Also, I don’t know how many people who watched the show knew that. It would be easy to assume he was Christian.

How so?

a lot of bad / overrated pop acts are popular in europe and asia….boy bands in particular have historically made a killing oversees. i know RCA wants world domination but i hope it doesnt come at a cost…. adam becoming a joke. im just hoping he goes in the direction of muse, bowie (people w. respectable talent)…and not britney, gaga, katy perry (fun, but frivolous acts).

I just want to clarify that I didn’t like Danny on the show. After the show, listening to his interviews – he seems like a really nice person who was in a situation he wasn’t ready to/equipped to handle. I wish him nothing but success with wherever his future takes him.

Although, I did wonder at times if it was because Adam lost to Kris, that his fans felt like they had something to prove’ ¦

Interesting – I’ve always felt that Adam’s fans were the most vocal while many of the other idols fans are comparatively more laid back.

Heading to DC for tonite’s concert – have camera and batteries and blue nail polish.
I’ll try to twitpic from my iphone but I’m kinda new at twitter so here’s hoping.

I’ve always felt that Adam’s fans were the most vocal while many of the other idols fans are comparatively more laid back.

I still don’t get this comment, if the other fans were so laid back why is there constant arguing on these blogs….

Yes, but he has two out of the three I listed. Also, I don’t know how many people who watched the show knew that. It would be easy to assume he was Christian

why Christian? because he is a white male? hmmm, then everyone must have assumed Adam was Christian too. or do us LA folks just have no religion ? LOL

3. Southern Race – 99% of brains, brawn,beauty,and talent.

My mom, who is from North Carolina, happened to walk by as I was looking at your comment, read it, and proclaimed, “That is a wise man right there.”

I still don’t get this comment, if the other fans were so laid back why is there constant arguing on these blogs’ ¦.

I think what happens on the blogs is that sometimes you end up w/ Adam fans against all other fans. I’m not saying it’s the right thing to have happen but it just seems to be that way. Many Adam fans have accused me of having no taste in music because I am not the biggest Adam fan in the world. I have nothing against Adam, Danny, Anoop, Matt, or any of the idols that I am not a fan of. I just can’t stand being told that I have no taste/am an idiot for not liking a specific singer/style.

MJ – I apologize if this is getting too defensive for your baord – that’s not my intention at all.

Hugh Jackman freakin’ won the Tony Award for his performance of Peter Allen in ‘The Boy From Oz’ 

And so deserved. And can’t believe NY Mag “forgot”. Because like Adam’s current tour performance, no one who saw the show is likely to forget it. Speaking from a completely high-brow, culturally-oriented, patron of the arts perspective, the view of Mr. Jackman from the 10th row was a completely uplifting, defining moment in American musical theatre history. And judging from the screaming applause, other high-brows felt the same.

There were some other Adam parallels. In that while it was a musical event, and certainly the audience was filled with music lovers, quite a few of the ticket buyers didn’t mind seeing the tall and heart-stoppingly handsome “Boy” shake it (c’mon, baby, shake it). And Hugh Jackman certainly could. It was amazing. He held back nothing. And from the videos, it looks like Adam isn’t being shy either.

On the other hand, Jackman, playing the massively talented Peter Allen, had many scenes of heartbreak to portray. Not a few connected to Allen having to hide his sexuality early on. And while there is so much further to go, what a great and good thing Adam doesn’t have to do the same.

It IS disturbing’ ¦ judging based on this, one could think that Adam, Danny, Kris, Allison’ ¦. were all PLANTS???????

That’s not what I mean at all. But I’m concerned about how, for the regular contestants, it just seemed like a crapshoot–like, did they randomly go the right table for their type, or whatever. I’m taking it with a grain of salt but am wondering, from those who have been watching AI for many years, whether there are a lot of reports over the years with those kinds of claims about the audition process. I understand “casting,” but that system seems so random.

And what do all of these have in common? Most of them Christian. Most of them from the South (or at least from small town middle America). Heterosexual and ‘family friendly’ . All appeared to be struggling amateurs plucked out of obscurity who America thinks probably wouldn’t have made it if it wasn’t for American Idol.

Adam was gay, Jewish, from the big city, tons of professional experience, slick, professional and oh so ‘Hollywood’ .

ITA. It seems to be common knowledge that idols are pretty much Christian from middle America (mostly from the south) and also supposedly has the reputation that most of the votes come from that demographic.

I just can’t stand being told that I have no taste/am an idiot for not liking a specific singer/style.

anovich, I’ve been insulted, here and elsewhere, for liking Adam’s music and been told that I have horrible taste or that I only want to like him because he’s gay and it’s PC or that I’m an idiot for liking something so weird, etc. I think that’s just what happens sometimes when you have people commenting anonymously on the internet, even on a site as well-moderated as MJ’s–anonymity allows them to forget the normal bounds of decorum. And I generally feel that when things get testy here, it’s everyone battling for their favorite against everyone else, although people don’t seem to go that crazy too often, thankfully.

I don’t think you have bad taste, FWIW–just different taste from mine. Not everyone can love David Bowie and Bob Dylan, so to speak. Although, actually, I love Kris (and Allison) too, so our tastes kind of overlap anyway, like a venn diagram or something.

Although, I did wonder at times if it was because Adam lost to Kris, that his fans felt like they had something to prove’ ¦

I’ve always felt that Adam’s fans were the most vocal while many of the other idols fans are comparatively more laid back.

I don’t get what you are saying about Adam losing to Kris would make Adam fans had something to prove. We would buy more CD’s – what?

Arkansas was the loudest crowd ever of any season (the band attests to that). So much for laid back Kris fans.

Chikezie squashes a couple of rumors:

# Just to clarify… I wasn’t guesting on the show [General Hospital], I was only visiting the set… but… keep you eyes open… cuz you never know…
about 3 hours ago from web

# To reiterate… Not gay.
about 22 hours ago from txt

# Ok, I’m not gay or anything, but I might have squealed a lil bit when I met Sonny Corinthos and Jason Morgan… And they were fans of me!!!
about 22 hours ago from txt

Well, meet a Kris fan who loves Adam and couldn’t stand Danny! Top three night I voted my fingers off for Kris, not because I didn’t love Adam (I assumed he had plenty of votes), but in order to counteract any Danny votes. If it had been a Danny/Adam finale I would have voted for Adam.

But you know what’s REALLY funny? After seeing Danny at the barricades and then perform live? Eh, I don’t hate him anymore. Could do without the Rascal Flatts covers, only because I believe no one can touch Gary LeVox’s vocals (call them whiny, but when I hear it I KNOW I’m hearing RF!). But he was really good on PYT and Maria Maria, and I feel like he’s navigating the fame waters a little better.

And so far as Kris fans not liking Adam? I hate to say it but there is a very small but loud and obnoxious contingent of Adam fans that make it really hard for Kris fans…I think they may dislike his FANS more than him.

I don’t think you have bad taste, FWIW’“just different taste from mine. Not everyone can love David Bowie and Bob Dylan, so to speak. Although, actually, I love Kris (and Allison) too, so our tastes kind of overlap anyway, like a venn diagram or something.

isidagmar, thank you for that. I don’t think people who like Adam have bad taste in music either, FWIW – it’s just not a style I favor, but the boy has mad talent. And yes, our tastes do overlap somewhat as I love Kris and Allison too

ETA: cookbunny, you’re my hero – and I completely would have been the same.

And so far as Kris fans not liking Adam? I hate to say it but there is a very small but loud and obnoxious contingent of Adam fans that make it really hard for Kris fans’ ¦I think they may dislike his FANS more than him.

This was what I was referring to when I am told that I have no taste in music.

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aek
this is the first time I’ve met with this perspective – it’s very interesting and actually inspiring, I always wanted all the fans to just get TOGETHER!!!! To hear that people can like Danny and Adam at the same time – it’s GREAT

Yeah, I always kinda thought that the Internet hate was mostly confined there, but I was afraid that it wasn’t. But I mean, Danny made it to Top 3, and that ain’t bad. He’s got a lot of love.

But honestly, just about every single Adam fan I ran into still had something positive to say about Danny. And I played my hand carefully, because I wanted to know what people were going to say, without knowing who my favorites were…lol. I was really curious, and I am soooo happy that most people seem to veiw Danny positively and not just as a punching bag.

I also want to say, because I hope I didnt give the wrong impression, Kris does get a great reception at the concerts. He really does. But the Adam fans I happened to run into tended to prefer Danny or Allison. EVERYONE seemed to say they thought Kris was a great guy. But Kris does get alot of love, too.

I just want to mention a cute moment in Atlanta between Kris and Danny, and I wish I could see the picture posted online. Kris and Danny were the last ones to come out and sign at the barricades in the afternoon. Danny was working one side and Kris was working the other. At one point during the signings, they stopped and together made the heart hands for a picture…Danny doing one side and Kris doing the other. It was cute, and dang it, I didn’t catch it.

Apparently a lot of AI audience peeps assumed Adam was a Christian. He mentioned getting a lot of gifts involving scripture.

He implied that the gifts involving scripture were meant to convert him/ related to his sexuality.

It IS disturbing’ ¦ judging based on this, one could think that Adam, Danny, Kris, Allison’ ¦. were all PLANTS???????

I’d say quite possible. These allegations have been around for quite some time from what I can tell. It’s well known that the show is “cast”. Simon even told someone that during the auditions. Taking it a step further to making sure a few people they wanted moved ahead is quite believable and even seems likely to me. After all, they’re going to invest money in starting this person’s career; they want to give it the best odds as possible that it’ll be someone they want to work with.

Given that I’d say Adam, Danny and Allison were likely plants. Possibly also Matt and Lil. I say Adam, Danny, Lil and Matt because of the strong backing from the judges at the beginning. And Allison because of her previous telemundo contest win. But I don’t think Kris had anything special about his back story that would make great TV or anything else that I could see the producers picking up on and deciding to push him forward….unless there was a dearth of normal.

The big questions for me are:
(1) By the time it gets to the top 36 was anyone not a plant?
(2) Do they ever fudge the voting results? (since there is no auditor overseeing it, anything is possible)

Since these questions are likely to never be answered, all we can do is watch the show for what it is and cheer these kids on. Because even if they are plants, it doesn’t mean they aren’t real, aren’t trying to make it in the music business. It just means that they were picked out and chosen to be pushed ahead of oodles of others at the beginning (likely because someone saw some talent they wanted to work with).

I’m with Sherena though on finding the thought of the randomness of who gets eliminated in the early tryouts distressing. If they really do set up tables and say “only let these types further” or “say no to everyone” then they are doing the viewing audience a huge disservice. I’d really like to see them narrow down everyone by pure talent and leave a few spaces in Hollywood week for the crazies they seem to think we need…but the least they can do is give us crazies that have already passed a talent test.

Adam and Kris’ style in music is so different, and yet it is interesting that they share so many fans. I wonder how much has to do with the fact that Adam and Kris and Allison too are such good friends. I have to admit being an Adam fan, I kind of like Kris and Allison more myself, knowing that Adam thinks so highly of them.

ITA. It seems to be common knowledge that idols are pretty much Christian from middle America (mostly from the south) and also supposedly has the reputation that most of the votes come from that demographic.

Asian, buddhist, lesbian from a moderately sized liberal community in New England for American Idol 9?

Crossing my fingers….

why Christian? because he is a white male? hmmm, then everyone must have assumed Adam was Christian too. or do us LA folks just have no religion ? LOL

Well, let’s see those french kissing a man pictures probably killed many people’s assumptions. That and those videos of him singing in Hebrew at a Temple for a Yitzak Rabin (sp?) memorial.

And what do all of these have in common? Most of them Christian. Most of them from the South (or at least from small town middle America). Heterosexual and ‘family friendly’ .

As ppwars says, those are pretty common characteristics. It would be like saying that an Idol was an underdog because they were lactose intolerant. I really don’t think very many viewers knew that Adam was Jewish. I bet a lot of his fans didn’t know it either. It’s not like he was wearing a yarmulke on the show.

I mean, one could claim that Kris was the ultimate underdog because no married person has ever made the final 3 while Adam was the typical Idol winner/top-3 finisher because he was single. That would be silly, IMO.

I think AI has done a good job of finding diverse set of winners (perhaps Asians are under-represented as finalists). I just don’t think that an uber-pimped contestant gets to be an underdog just because they can’t tick off every single characteristic (all the winners have something that is not in common with the other contestants). Especially since the only widely known, on-the-record characteristic listed is that he is not from what is typically refered to as the South (although, honestly, California is as south as Arizona which has produced a winner and was never part of the Confederacy).

Also, I don’t know how many people who watched the show knew that. It would be easy to assume he was Christian.

How so?

I could be wrong, but I thought I recalled Christmas or something of that nature when David was a kid. Didn’t he get a guitar from his Dad for either a birthday or Christmas? I just recall something that painted him as a typical Christian midwestern kid.

As far as people in LA not having religion, that isn’t true, but it’s a much larger geographical area with a more diverse makeup of people. By the way, I live in Los Angeles.

Most of them from the South (or at least from small town middle America).

Kansas City, MO is the largest city in MO and pretty metropolitan, so not really small town middle America, and I don’t think they consider themselves the South either.

Anyway, I bring some news on Friday’s GMA concert:

‘They will each sing one song apiece,’  ABC-TV spokesperson Bridgette Maney said. ‘And I don’t know what order they will go in. I don’t know if that has even been determined yet.’  One good thing is that they will be doing more than one song although you won’t see it on the telecast. For that ‘extra’  song from each you’ll have to go to the ABC website and we’ll provide you a direct link to that later today.

Source

This oughtta be interesting:

Cook’s tour stops are Aug. 4 in Millvale, Pa. and Aug. 6 at the Nokia Theater in New York.
Cook will actually be doing double-duty Friday a.m.
‘I don’t know how he’ll pull that one off,’  Maney said, ‘but I guess he’ll perform at the tailend of the Regis & Kelly Show.’ 
Cook will leave Central Park and GMA and rush over to Regis & Kelly’s studio for their 9 a.m. show.

He plays a concert the night before, gets up early to do the GMA concert, rushes to Regis & Kelly to play again? Yikes, tired just thinking about.

I’ll repeat:

I’m deleting all posts that rehash Season 8. BEEN THERE AND DONE THAT.

PLEASE KEEP THE DISCUSSION FRESH AND CURRENT.

Also: The fanwarring? Please stop.

Thank you.

Adam and Kris’ style in music is so different, and yet it is interesting that they share so many fans. I wonder how much has to do with the fact that Adam and Kris and Allison too are such good friends

It probably has something to do with it as their friendships are lovely, but honestly, I just like their voices and music. They have very different styles, but I like a wide variety of music, especially music that is creatively phrased and sung with passion, beauty and connection to the meaning of the song. Adam, Allison, and Kris (probably in that order, for me personally) deliver on those fronts. Their friendship is just the heartwarming cherry on top of the creatively and emotionally satisfying sundae of their music. So, I think some fans are supportive of all three, even if they don’t like all the music, because they like them all as people, but many just like all their music.

I’m still holding out for Starlight and ATTTID at the concert on Friday. But even if we get Mad World and Heartless again, Adam and Kris never sing songs exactly the same way twice, so all’s good.

Especially since the only widely known, on-the-record characteristic listed is that he is not from what is typically refered to as the South (although, honestly, California is as south as Arizona which has produced a winner and was never part of the Confederacy).

Yes, but Jordon’s competition was from the West Coast. The coastal kids don’t seem to stand a chance.

Jason Castro has put up a new webisode on his website. He’s singing a Spanish song. It’s quite nice: http://www.jasoncastromusic.com/

He plays a concert the night before, gets up early to do the GMA concert, rushes to Regis & Kelly to play again? Yikes, tired just thinking about.

Cook can do anything. Nothing is too difficult for him. He is the best and everyone who hears him will immediately become his fan.

(Taking on the persona of original “Kimberann”.) :biggrin_wp:

Adam and Kris’ style in music is so different, and yet it is interesting that they share so many fans. I wonder how much has to do with the fact that Adam and Kris and Allison too are such good friends

I’m a total Adam and Allison fan. And I’m a fan of Kris but not of his music…unless I have insomnia.
I like Kris and his relationship with Adam and Allison so much that I keep trying to like his music. It’s just not happening. If I had to pick a third in the top ten, I’d pick Megan because as off key and off rhythm as she is, her voice is really interesting to listen to and with some training I think she could make some fascinating music. Musically, for me Danny falls into the same slot that Kris does, the: “I don’t understand why people like them so much” slot. But I don’t seem to have any great need or desire to like Danny’s singing. So, yeah, long winded way of saying, yes, I definitely think their friendship has gone a long way in causing the fan bases to cross.

For that ‘extra’  song from each you’ll have to go to the ABC website and we’ll provide you a direct link to that later today.

OMG! Not to sound overly fangirl or anything, but does that mean that even if Kris and Adam perform Heartless and Mad World on the show itself, we’ll still get a really high quality recording of another song from each? Most likely one from their tour set?

omg.

OMG! Not to sound overly fangirl or anything, but does that mean that even if Kris and Adam perform Heartless and Mad World on the show itself, we’ll still get a really high quality recording of another song from each? Most likely one from their tour set?

omg.

You mean I might actually (crossing fingers and kneeling prayer at the same time.. no easy task) finally get a descent audio of Starlight!! Squeeeeee.

Thanks for that isisdagmar, you just brightened my evening.

For the record, I didn’t know Adam Lambert was Jewish. I never knew Kris was a Worship Leader, either. Unless you did some digging on the net, which most people do not do, the majority would not know the religious leanings of any of them, with the exception of Danny. It’s talent, personality, and, to be perfectly honest and perfectly shallow, looks that keep me interested.

California had one American Idol winner and a runner-up. The Northeast is underrepresented if you ask me. Perhaps all the talented N.E. people are all in NYC, trying to make a name for themselves.

As far as NCIS, it’s gaining in popularity. My son who is 15 is an avid fan of it. I think the Tony and Ziva characters are bringing in a younger demographic. If you go on Fanfiction.net, the fanfiction is flourishing. The story tallies are closing in on Supernatural, CSI, Stargate Atlantis and Stargate SG-1. There is a huge internet fanbase out there for these shows. It’s an amazing thing! lol

So Idol is fair game and they might lose, if they keep manipulating their audience as they did this season. They nearly lost me, but my daughter’s pleading kept me watching.

Well, it’s good news that the website will have the additional songs from the GMA cioncert — but I don’t get why they don’t telecast the whole thing, rather than just one song from each?

Also, DC’s schedule is tighter with the Regis& Kelly appearance, but Kris and Adam have a concert that night, so they will be extra busy, as well…

Well, meet a Kris fan who loves Adam and couldn’t stand Danny! Top three night I voted my fingers off for Kris, not because I didn’t love Adam (I assumed he had plenty of votes), but in order to counteract any Danny votes. If it had been a Danny/Adam finale I would have voted for Adam.

But you know what’s REALLY funny? After seeing Danny at the barricades and then perform live? Eh, I don’t hate him anymore. Could do without the Rascal Flatts covers, only because I believe no one can touch Gary LeVox’s vocals (call them whiny, but when I hear it I KNOW I’m hearing RF!). But he was really good on PYT and Maria Maria, and I feel like he’s navigating the fame waters a little better.

And so far as Kris fans not liking Adam? I hate to say it but there is a very small but loud and obnoxious contingent of Adam fans that make it really hard for Kris fans’ ¦I think they may dislike his FANS more than him.

Oh, I never doubted that this was true amongst most of the people that frequent general AI websites.

I am really glad that you found some appreciation for Danny.

Your last paragraph about a FEW vocal Adam fans strikes a chord with me. These are the lot that I think do that screaming during the AI commercials before the concert. When Adam’s face pops up there is a huge scream and then as soon as Kris’s face pops up, the scream cuts off abruptly and unnaturally. Imo, these people are definately trying to make some kind of point. Even as an Adam/Danny fan, I found this behavior extremely annoying.

California had one American Idol winner and a runner-up.

California has had two runner ups, but no winner as far as I know. Adam and Kat McPhee are the runner ups.

In thinking about why the winners are predominantly southern or midwestern, Christian, small town for the most part, I have some ideas:

1) That’s the area of the country where AI is most popular. The people who live on the coasts tend to be more sophisticated and picky about what they’ll watch, and more snooty too one might say, speaking generally. Also in coastal cities, people have very busy lives and reality shows are probably not their highest priority.

2) It follows that that demographic is also the one that votes the heaviest. (Arkansas anyone?)

3) I also think that southerners and midwesterners are proud of their people who do well, and stick by them. And singers from those places have less access to the music business (outside of Nashville), thus some really talented people could live and die there without the world ever discovering them, if not for Idol.

4) Re Christianity as a demographic, people from the south and midwest tend to be Christian (of course I am generalizing with all this) and also, maybe Christians are good at organizing and getting out the vote when they take on a project.

So people from the North, East, and West have a harder time. I think Jordin was the exception. But she didn’t have much competition that season. Melinda was a great singer, but outdated and older. Blake was fun but out-there.

Any other ideas?

but I don’t get why they don’t telecast the whole thing, rather than just one song from each?

Because more songs on TV won’t get them more viewers. And every media outlet is trying to bring “value-added” to their website to drive traffic there. Make you think their website has a reason to exist.

So sorry Undecooked, I misspoke. For some odd reason, I keep thinking Jordin is from Cali. Mea culpa. Still not a bad showing all in all. Grrr.

How exactly did the average Idol viewer know Adam was Jewish? His dad’s not Jewish (thus his surname isn’t a typical Jewish name); there were no clips of him wearing a yarmulke (a la Anoop as a little kid in traditional Hindu garb), etc. Even my Jewish friends who watched the show didn’t know it until I pointed it out.

And, for that matter, there were a LOT of folks who didn’t realize Adam was gay (and apparently still haven’t gotten the memo, LOL) until the RS cover story came out. And I, personally, never assume that I know any contestant’s sexual orientation unless s/he divulges it her/himself. I wondered about Adam’s at his audition, but frankly I wondered the same thing about David Cook’s at his!

The Baltimore Sun

A quick Q&A with American Idol runner-up Adam Lambert

Q: Adam, did you ever go back and watch clips of your “Idol” performances?

A: I actually bought them on iTunes so they were high quality. It was a really good learning tool — to go back and review my performances. Performing on TV was definitely a new thing for me. I tried to learn as much as I could by reviewing those videos.

Q: What do you think about Ju’Not Joyner’s allegations that “Idol” was rigged?

A: I guess everybody’s entitled to their opinion.

Kansas City, MO is the largest city in MO and pretty metropolitan, so not really small town middle America, and I don’t think they consider themselves the South either.

I disagree, Kansas City is definitely midwestern and verges on being southern. How is kansas City not midwestern?

And compared to Los Angeles, New York, Chicago, it’s not a big city. I would guess it has a small-town feel. I remember Claymates arguing that Raleigh was also a big city. But Clay himself said it had a small-town feel.

Also, DC’s schedule is tighter with the Regis& Kelly appearance, but Kris and Adam have a concert that night, so they will be extra busy, as well’ ¦

Oh, I know they all have hectic schedules, but the GMA concert starts airing at 8:30am, and Regis & Kelly starts at *9am*, not later in the afternoon. It just sounds a little crazy logistically. Maybe DC will play first out of the three guys, then rush over and play near the end of Regis & Kelly. I don’t know where the studio is w.r.t. Central Park, but hopefully it’s not far, and there’s no traffic… =P

LOL at wordnerdarchie’s new persona .

So sorry Undecooked, I misspoke. For some odd reason, I keep thinking Jordin is from Cali. Mea culpa. Still not a bad showing all in all. Grrr.

No worries. And I agree with you about the East Coast. They are more underepresented then the West Coast.

He implied that the gifts involving scripture were meant to convert him/ related to his sexuality.

And he was much nicer than I would have been about it. He was talking about how he ‘really appreciated that they cared enough to do that and it comes from a really caring place, but uhhh he’s Jewish and the gay thing isn’t going away. So maybe respecting him by not sending it, would be nice.’ I’m paraphrasing of course.

Anyhew, cool we have two peeps in this thread alone who are going to the show tonight. Hope you guys have a great time and that all the idols are in good voice. It was good that they got a day off (though probably really for Kradison) so that should be good.

# Ok, I’m not gay or anything, but I might have squealed a lil bit when I met Sonny Corinthos and Jason Morgan’ ¦ And they were fans of me!!!
about 22 hours ago from txt

Whoever this is, just lost all their cool points with me. GH sucks mostly because Sonny and Jason suck. And good thing you told us you’re not gay for them. Phew! Which is ironic because their characters are pretty much gay for each other. ABC even did a promo about them in a storyline for it’s Soapnet channel, that used Brokeback Mountain as the theme for it. So hey, maybe they can be like Rolling Stone and now Variety and randomly mention Adam Lambert! I mean ABC is owned by Disney. I sense marketing synergy here people!

A: I actually bought them on iTunes so they were high quality. It was a really good learning tool ‘” to go back and review my performances. Performing on TV was definitely a new thing for me. I tried to learn as much as I could by reviewing those videos.

Well I hope they gave him a discount! Sheesh. You think the idols would get those for free.

And, for that matter, there were a LOT of folks who didn’t realize Adam was gay (and apparently still haven’t gotten the memo, LOL) until the RS cover story came out. And I, personally, never assume that I know any contestant’s sexual orientation unless s/he divulges it her/himself. I wondered about Adam’s at his audition, but frankly I wondered the same thing about David Cook’s at his!

Speaking of David Cook… isn’t he supposedly bi? So he would only fit one of the heterosexual-midwest/south-Christian requirements. I might be confusing him with another Idol, though.

Whoever this is, just lost all their cool points with me. GH sucks mostly because Sonny and Jason suck.

It’s Chikeze, lol.

Well I hope they gave him a discount! Sheesh. You think the idols would get those for free.

Some of the money comes back to them, at least. But it’s still kind of weird. :\

smallie, someone said the R&K set is 6-8 blocks from the GMA set.

Speaking of David Cook’ ¦ isn’t he supposedly bi?

Uh, no. LOL. Where did you get that idea? (Every year lately, there’s an effort by some to make the Idols bi. I suppose because of the popularity of slash fan fic these days.)

The R&K studio is spitting distance from Central Park, just a few blocks, but still, I hope they let him go first so it’s not TOO much of a rush getting him there in time. They’ve been doing these concerts for years and they never show all the songs on TV.

well, it’s not like Adam had to shell out a bunch of money — the itunes AI videos were $1.29 or $1.49 each while the audio recordings are 99 cents each

Speaking of David Cook’ ¦ isn’t he supposedly bi? So he would only fit one of the heterosexual-midwest/south-Christian requirements.

I did not know that.

well, it’s not like Adam had to shell out a bunch of money ‘” the itunes AI videos were $1.29 or $1.49 each while the audio recordings are 99 cents each

Yes, but I still think they could get an employee discount just on principal. I know it’s not much money….but still.

And, for that matter, there were a LOT of folks who didn’t realize Adam was gay

With all the “is he or isn’t he” press stuff that went on throughout the season I think monks on a mountain in Tibet suspected he was gay. You’d really have to be out of touch to not have it cross your mind or to have heard nothing about it.

As for being Jewish, I don’t think most people knew that. Apparently Danny’s pastor was aware of it though.

Trina
Aug 4th, 2009 at 5:40 pm
The R&K studio is spitting distance from Central Park, literally a few blocks, but still, I hope they let him go first so it’s not TOO much of a rush getting him there in time.

Unless they perform the extra song before the songs aired on TV, it doesn’t matter what order David performs in on the show.

I always thought the extra songs were taped after the end of the televised portion, but I don’t know. Maybe someone here has attended a concert series show there in the past.

How is kansas City not midwestern?

KC is definitely midwestern LOL, I just said it wasn’t exactly small town middle America. But yeah, it’s not a large city like NY or LA or Chicago, but few cities are, so where do you draw the line, is Detroit a small town too?

I think that the voters tend to go more for the Christians and if you are a teen or older than 25 it hurts your chances also. Some fans talked alot about good Christian family values and Kris being a good Christian. I knew Adam was Jewish, because it was bought up on the internet on some sites that alot of AI people go on. There was some discusion if he would be the first Jewish American Idol. I know it was on Rickey’s site like after Jazz week. I didn’t feel Adam was ever a sure win because he is a non-conformist, his bottom two stint on Jazz week solidified my opinion. I was just glad he made it to the finals and got signed after that.

BTW, Sarver just tweeted that they are NOT doing a post-show meet & greet tonight. He didn’t say why not, though. And I guess neither Adam nor Kris came out for the pre-show m&g?

KC is definitely midwestern LOL, I just said it wasn’t exactly small town middle America. But yeah, it’s not a large city like NY or LA or Chicago, but few cities are, so where do you draw the line, is Detroit a small town too?

Disregarding geography, just look at is as having hometown support. And that’s definitely a big thing to have on your side.

Michael Johns and Carly Smithson really didn’t stand a chance last year.

(2) Do they ever fudge the voting results? (since there is no auditor overseeing it, anything is possible)

Well at least for the final vote that firm called Telescope (?) supposedly audited the results. Not sure about the rest of the season, but do we know for a fact there is no outside verification? From AT&T at least?

Speaking of David Cook’ ¦ isn’t he supposedly bi?

WTF???????

Well I don’t think it’s an exact science LOL. Just generally, the winners are from the south and midwest, tend to be small town, tend to be Christians.

How exactly did the average Idol viewer know Adam was Jewish?

They wouldn’t. And your reference to the average viewer is key to this discussion.

If that headline was written for the average Idol viewer, which it probably was, the “defies expectations” description for Adam was justified by the fact that he didn’t dress or groom himself like the men that are typically chosen by the judges and viewers, and that his vocal style was not like more typical R&B, country and/or soft rock styles usually featured on the show. That was enough for him to get press while on the show as being a different kind of contestant and it’s enough to justify a casual use of “defies expectations”. Sure, he went on to be a favorite with the judges and the public, but that, too, counts as defying expectations, given that his type of contestant was new to success on the show.

Now that the show’s over and the tour is on, night after night, city after city, he gets huge response from the crowds, sometimes, apparently, more than anyone else. Since he lost, and some reports say he lost by a lot, that response, too, can justly be called “defying expectations”. And the nature of his set could be thought of in the same regard, since it’s not a typical AI tour set, but that seems less likely, since it fits so perfectly with who he is as a performer.

I doubt the editor meant it any deeper than that.

BTW, Sarver just tweeted that they are NOT doing a post-show meet & greet tonight. He didn’t say why not, though. And I guess neither Adam nor Kris came out for the pre-show m&g?

It’s probably a press thing. I know once last year – I think it was for Larry King – the Idols didn’t have a M&G.

Disregarding geography, just look at is as having hometown support. And that’s definitely a big thing to have on your side.

Michael Johns and Carly Smithson really didn’t stand a chance last year.

That’s a good point. Hometown support is important on Idol, and Michael and Carly aren’t even from America.

WTF???????

Will, my sentiments too. :wink1_tb:

michaelsarver1: Just to let u guys know we just found out there will be know aftershow signing outside tonight. I am really sorry.

I’m assuming know = no. I wonder if this will continue or be a one night thing?

Disregarding geography, just look at is as having hometown support. And that’s definitely a big thing to have on your side.

Michael Johns and Carly Smithson really didn’t stand a chance last year.

LOL — I never even thought about that. How in tarnation would Idol have handled the hometown visit if either of them had been in the final three? Food for thought.

^ That’s an interesting thought. I wonder if they would have flown them all the way out to Ireland/Australia?

WTF???????

It was something I heard months ago, from several different places. I think someone mentioned it here on MJ’s once? Not sure about that. I have no idea where it started. I thought most people had at least heard the rumor. Guess not, haha.

With all the ‘is he or isn’t he’  press stuff that went on throughout the season I think monks on a mountain in Tibet suspected he was gay. You’d really have to be out of touch to not have it cross your mind or to have heard nothing about it.

Not at all. Most of the world doesn’t read or listen to entertainment news. Not being an American Idol watcher, I hadn’t even heard of Adam until I was bored at work one day in early May and surfed my way over to the entertainment section to see numerous articles about him. I only read them because there were so many and I had no clue who this guy was that was on the same headline page as all these celebrities.

How exactly did the average Idol viewer know Adam was Jewish? His dad’s not Jewish (thus his surname isn’t a typical Jewish name); there were no clips of him wearing a yarmulke (a la Anoop as a little kid in traditional Hindu garb), etc. Even my Jewish friends who watched the show didn’t know it until I pointed it out.

I don’t know how many average Idol viewers knew Adam was Jewish, but the information was out there — online and in the press. Many Jews were aware that Adam was Jewish. He was featured in a number of Jewish press articles and on the cover of several of Israel’s top entertainment magazines.

Anyone who visits Belief.net, listened to many of the top Christian radio stations, or watched CBN could have easily seen information about the large number of active Christians in this year’s final. There was a list on Belief.net. There was a lot of pride in this. It did not involve any hate or exclusion in the message. And of course there was Danny’s partor’s imfamous tweet asking all Danny fans to vote for Kris because we need a ‘believer’  as our Idol.

Finally, to end this on a beautiful note. Here is Adam an English-Hebrew version of The Prayer:

Adam Lambert & Noa Dori singing ‘The Prayer’-David Foster

A: I actually bought them on iTunes so they were high quality. It was a really good learning tool ‘” to go back and review my performances. Performing on TV was definitely a new thing for me. I tried to learn as much as I could by reviewing those videos.

Well I hope they gave him a discount! Sheesh. You think the idols would get those for free.

Good one.

Speaking of David Cook’ ¦ isn’t he supposedly bi? So he would only fit one of the heterosexual-midwest/south-Christian requirements

He’s only bi in the minds of AI slash shippers, he’s hetro and supposedly, was kind of a dog back in the day.

And, for that matter, there were a LOT of folks who didn’t realize Adam was gay

Considering it was on the likes of O’Reilly, twice. Was a topic of discussion on shows like The View. Was referred to on magazine covers like EW. And many, many other places and references. So while I’m sure there were people who didn’t know that there were at least “questions,” about Adam’s sexuality, I don’t think that it was the majority of people who watched the show.

About the “Worster” article. It was initially disturbing. But even a quick reflection reveals it makes zero sense production wise. It actually wouldn’t work to have a “look for this type” mission assigned to each table. Besides inefficient, even if you pre-determined categories (which is also inefficient) assigning tables means you could miss the best version of what you’re looking for. Because they were at another table.

And great singing voices are not so easy to come by either. AI needs great singers. People aren’t going to keep tuning in to see bikini’s and cranks. Many people find those buffoons irritating. And after the wealth of good singing this season, they got to try to find even better. (If such a thing exists.)

The most likely production scenario is that AI has broad categories. Like “great singer” or “hunk” or “interesting” or “comic potential” to guide the screeners when making their 15 second decision. And equally one at all tables to all categories. (And fab singing) Plus some lucky strike extra categories. Where “producers” at all those tables note why they’re moving the person along. (Like “coverage” notes from movie script reading underlings).

Good production always leaves room for a surprise diamond in the rough. You got tens of thousands of people, make the most of it. Also, every one of those “producers” is trying to get noticed by the show’s higher ups. To get promoted or just keep their jobs. “Look who I found” or “Here’s an idea” is a way to get noticed. And the higher ups know that having those table-sitting “producers” working hard to contribute meaningfully increases the chances of the best cast.

Narrow, pre-determined “casting” categories are nigh onto impossible to fill when you actually are testing actors. To think you could assign a “role” to each table and randomly get that filled is not thinking like a producer. Or even thinking realistically.

“Casting the season” is most efficient and productive when you’re down to a smaller group of hundreds. That is quite likely to include some people seen elsewhere throughout the year who have been encouraged to try out. But “casting” means balancing out the “roles” using what you got. X number of cuties, X number of ethnicities, X number of dazzlers. And also combing the back stories of the best singers looking for interesting angles by which to market them.

Money talks. And the system that VFTW is suggesting would waste a lot of money. And not create the best show. So I’m going to vote: No.

Damn that Adam Lambert! Forget my fantardom consuming my time, I really DO want avocados now. Especially with that NBC ad in the right corner about using fresh local produce. Mmm fresh salsa and guacamole. I’ll blame Adam for any weight gain I incur from this. I know he’ll feel my pain about this.

Sucks that there won’t be an aftershow signing tonight. While I don’t think the fans are entitled to it (and I really hate the ones that act like they do), still, it’s nice when it happens for them.

During the AI season, I don’t think it was common knowledge that Adam is Jewish. If you were searching for videos of Adam on YouTube, you would have found several featuring Adam singing at a 2005 concert, called Celebration of Life, which honored Yitzhak Rabin. In the videos, Adam sings in both English and Hebrew. There may have been a few mentions in articles toward the end of the season (Top 3 week during the home visits, I think), but that was about it. I think the press were more focused on whether or not he was gay — his religious background wasn’t even on the radar.

“How exactly did the average Idol viewer know Adam was Jewish? His dad’s not Jewish (thus his surname isn’t a typical Jewish name); there were no clips of him wearing a yarmulke (a la Anoop as a little kid in traditional Hindu garb), etc. Even my Jewish friends who watched the show didn’t know it until I pointed it out.”

I seem to remember learning that, as a RACE, being Jewish is passed MATERNALLY…that is, if your mother is Jewish – you are. If this is, indeed the case, then Dadbert is not germane to Adam’s claim to being a Jew.

Being Jewish, as a religion, can be, of course, an entirely different matter….

For me, the Rushfield article and the article on the past runner ups was interesting. It brought to mind yesterday’s discussion on who will be successful. I have not watched a lot of American Idol and did not know most of these people. I wonder how many fan discussions occured about there possible success. Tamary(sp) was great. Where is she now?

He’s only bi in the minds of AI slash shippers, he’s hetro and supposedly, was kind of a dog back in the day.

Ok, now I need to know when “back in the day” was, since an interview popped up yesterday, where the person doing the interview went to middle/high school with Cook. She stated he was a wallflower, but a nice guy. And I’ve heard that in college he had a steady girl. When asked where he gets his inspiration for the relationship songs that he writes he says that he gets it from watching the problems that other couples have. Hmmmm. It’s amazing what conflicting stories there are out there.

Finally, to end this on a beautiful note. Here is Adam an English-Hebrew version of The Prayer:

Adam Lambert & Noa Dori singing ‘The Prayer’-David Foster

Thanks, Q3, though I’m at work, I might have to indulge there. That rendition is criminally beautiful and so is he!! He reminds me of Rob Lowe with that hair; probably one of my favorites.

Money talks. And the system that VFTW is suggesting would waste a lot of money. And not create the best show. So I’m going to vote: No.

I think you don’t get the whole picture. If that what is VFTW think is true the whole big area auditions are mostly s smoke screen and.
They are more a promo for the show as a good tool to find good singers.
And their method with the desk is like going for a random sample and with the numbers of people audition it will be good enough to fill the few spots not given to the pre chosen ones.

Ok, now I need to know when ‘back in the day’  was, since an interview popped up yesterday, where the person doing the interview went to middle/high school with Cook. She stated he was a wallflower, but a nice guy. And I’ve heard that in college he had a steady girl. When asked where he gets his inspiration for the relationship songs that he writes he says that he gets it from watching the problems that other couples have. Hmmmm. It’s amazing what conflicting stories there are out there.

Very true! I have never heard anything about him being a “dog”. I have heard the steady girl one, I’ve heard the college-friends-say-he’s-bi one, but that’s it. I guess we’ll never know (unless he tells us, of course).

Tamary(sp) was great. Where is she now?

Tamyra is recording right now for an album that will be released later this year. Since Idol she has done some acting, back-up singing, songwriting. I’m by no means an espert on her, though.

it will be good enough to fill the few spots not given to the pre chosen ones

Do you really think that the majority of the contestants are plants? I can see there being several, but the majority? How do they decide who to plant? For instance, if the majority of contestants were plants, that would mean that Danny, Adam, and Lil certainly were, as they wouldn’t plant hundreds of people just to pimp a few randoms. But how did they discover Danny in order to “plant” him? He was some obscure truck driver in Milwaukee, with no entertainment connections.

As for the random sample/tables… still undecided about whether I believe that.

I simply think Kris is the least like any past AI winner. He didn’t have the “big” voice.

Not sure you guys have seen this, very funny…and some of the comments are hilarious…
http://www.eonline.com/uberblog/watch_with_kristin/b137574_Adam_Lamberts_Fans_Throwing_Sex_Toys_Onstage.html

New Archie blog! David says that he will be trying something different with his set during his solo show tomorrow…

A week ago I had the PIttsburgh show, and I had such an amazing time! I really miss those solo shows, and I feel like I can relate to the audience so much more. Thanks to all of you who came out to that show and made it what it was. I’m looking forward to the other solo shows during this tour! The next 2 shows are actually solo ones! So I’m excited . The one tomorrow is in Kentucky, and the one after that is in Rockford, Illinois. For the Kentucky show we’re going to be trying a more toned-down set of the same songs I’ve been doing, but where the audience can focus more on the music and vibe. It’ll be my first time trying something like this out, and it’s always something I’ve wanted to try. The rest of the shows will be the same as before where it’s about the energy and fun haha. I’m really looking forward to all of the shows though.
more at the link

I haven’t had time to read the VFTW piece yet, but as far as this “plant” theory goes, that sounds like a wacko conspiracy theory to me. All of the “plants” — including Lambert, Cook, etc. — who have told of waiting on line for hours and hours with everybody else in the cattle call would have to be lying. And there would be many other people who would have to be aware of it. Yet not a peep from anyone in eight years. It’s preposterous.

Thanks Victoria for the Tamyra info.

Also, Carly Smithson’s interviews reminded me of Adam’s. They were so hopeful and excited about their pop-rock music. She was so confident in her future success. She sounded very good, but I have not heard her yet. I have seen her in some of the headlines that MJ posts.

To be fair about the Jewish thing, I was already obsessing pretty hardcore for weeks, reading everything about him, before I ever heard anyone mention that he was Jewish. My first thought was, “How the hell did I miss that?”

I have later heard him refer to himself as, “Spiritual, non-religious,” so it wouldn’t appear that he’s all that devout, which goes back to TXArchitect’s point.

I don’t believe the “plant” theory either. But the tables? Maybe.

Also, Simon’s relaxation room sounds amazing. I really want one.

Thanks Victoria for the Tamyra info.

Also, Carly Smithson’s interviews reminded me of Adam’s. They were so hopeful and excited about their pop-rock music. She was so confident in her future success. She sounded very good, but I have not heard her yet. I have seen her in some of the headlines that MJ posts.

No problem

Carly is worth a listen. She has a beautiful voice, when she remembers not to screech.

I’m not sure if I believe the “plant” thing or not. VFTW aren’t the only ones who have talked about special VIP people, so the idea might actually have some truth to it.

Carly is worth a listen. She has a beautiful voice, when she remembers not to screach.

So she and Adam had that problem too. Just kidding.

Do you really think that the majority of the contestants are plants? I can see there being several, but the majority?

I am not really sure.
I think that 30 second are not give them a realistic chance to spot talents and I am sure the show could not afford it to let it play out by chance.

Also, Carly Smithson’s interviews reminded me of Adam’s. They were so hopeful and excited about their pop-rock music. She was so confident in her future success. She sounded very good, but I have not heard her yet. I have seen her in some of the headlines that MJ posts.

Carly’s with Ben Moody’s band now, isn’t she? Perhaps we’ll be hearing from her soon.

The entertainment business is such a crapshoot. It’s so stressful being emotionally invested in these peeps, when anything can happen and the odds for their success aren’t very favorable. Oh well… here’s hoping.

Idol has a clear bias to the Southeast. 60% (19 of 32) of the top 4 finishers are from the SE. And 6 of 8 winners are from the Southeast.

Northeast – Total 2 – 1 #4 (PA), 1 #4 (MD)
Midwest – Total 2 – 1 #1 (Cook)* and 1 #3 (Danny)
Southeast – Total 19 – 6 #1, 4 #2, 6 #3, 3 #4
West – Total 9 – 1 #1 (Jordin), 4 #2 (four years in a row), 1 #3, 3 #4 (all CA)

There are also a lot of Baptist and Evangelical Christians, but with so many southern winners should be expected.

Kelly – Baptist
Ruben – Baptist
Fantasia – Evangelical Christian/non-denomination church
Carrie – Baptist
Talyor – Christian/raised as a Southern Baptist and Evangelical Christian
Jordin – Evangelical Christian/non-denomination church
David C – Christian (couldn’t find any specific info beyond this)
Kris – Evangelical Christian/non-denomination church

Other notable Idols:

Clay – Southern Baptist
Daughtry – Christian/was in a Christian rock band in HS
David A. – LDS/Morman
Elliot – Jewish
Adam – Jewish/as an adult agnostic (per his MySpace page pre-Idol)

If you want to be successful after Idol, don’t come from Alabama: Bo Bice, Diana DeGarmo, Ruben Studdard, Taylor Hicks all came from Alabama!

Q3
Aug 4th, 2009 at 6:52 pm
Idol has a clear bias to the Southeast. 60% (19 of 32) of the top 4 finishers are from the SE. And 6 of 8 winners are from the Southeast

It’s not just Idol. The South has always done well in music. Memphis Blues, R&B, Rock & Roll, Nashville Country…………………….

Elvis, Britney, Justin…………………………even Miley was born in Nashville, and her family has a farm there.

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It’s probably time that people stop throwing things at him on stage.

Sadly, press in a major publication will only make them do it more. Plus, they get a ton of ass-kissing positive feedback from the fansites.

Speaking of David Cook’ ¦ isn’t he supposedly bi?

WTF???????

LOL. Fans creating Sims of Cook having sex with his bandmates, or writing fic about him raping Castro does not make him bi. It just makes the authors really sick individuals.

But how did they discover Danny in order to ‘plant’  him? He was some obscure truck driver in Milwaukee, with no entertainment connections.

Ah yes, but he worked for Pastor Rolex, who appears to be a master of self-promotion. But seriously, I have no idea who is and who isn’t a plant. And, I actually don’t care. The plants don’t bug me.

I’m not sure about the whole plant conspiracy theory myself. However, I don’t find it at all hard to believe that somewhere, there is a conversation that goes like this:

“okay, so I heard from the producer of XXX show in LA/NY that this kid named XXX is going to audition in Houston. Supposedly, this kid is great. So, if he/she comes to your table, make sure to pass them through. We want to make sure they at least get to the judges round.”

Q: What do you think about Ju’Not Joyner’s allegations that ‘Idol’  was rigged?

HE SAID ” The producers know who they want and they slant it to reflect that. They fix it in a way that makes you surprised but it’s still manipulated. ”

AND “What I mean is that people think AI is a talent show. No. It’s a reality show with writers!! ” He never said the vote was rigged.

I would hope most on the internet that follow AI already know thats true.
I do think they have plants.Don’t think they get a pass to the front of the line.
I would think they have a few scouts (like sports team)that go out and look.

I would think they have a few scouts (like sports team)that go out and look.

I think that this possible.

It’s not just Idol. The South has always done well in music. Memphis Blues, R&B, Rock & Roll, Nashville Country’ ¦’ ¦’ ¦’ ¦’ ¦’ ¦’ ¦’ ¦.

Elvis, Britney, Justin’ ¦’ ¦’ ¦’ ¦’ ¦’ ¦’ ¦’ ¦’ ¦’ ¦even Miley is from Kentucky parents and has spent a lot of time in the south.

Great bands and singers come from all of the country. Bands like the Eagles, The Go Gos, Guns and Roses, The Doors, Jane’s Addiction, Red Hot Chili Peppers, are just some bands that hail from Los Angeles.

I think the point is that AI’s demographic seems to be primarily based in the south and midwest and therefore singers from those areas do better in the voting.

I may be naive but I just don’t believe that there are Idol contestant plants. My evidence, Kris almost didn’t get to audition and was at the very end of the day, Adam waited ten hours, and so on. Too many of the people who make the Finals tell similar stories. And there is video to support it.

Well at least for the final vote that firm called Telescope (?) supposedly audited the results. Not sure about the rest of the season, but do we know for a fact there is no outside verification? From AT&T at least?

No AT&T doesn’t have access to the data, and only all the text message pass thru them.

Telescope is a independent company and they provided the SMS platform, control voice telephone resource allocation, do the tabulation and claim to be the only people who know the vote details or have access to the data.

Telescope works with a lot of major brands, retailers, pro sports, etc. I have worked with them on a couple marketing campaigns and they were professional and passed all of our data integrity audits. I strongly doubt that they would be involved in “vote rigging”. I can’t even see how they would have a “horse in the race”.

There may be a lot of view and contestant manipulation in Idol, but I am very skeptical that there were be any vote rigging.

‘okay, so I heard from the producer of XXX show in LA/NY that this kid named XXX is going to audition in Houston. Supposedly, this kid is great. So, if he/she comes to your table, make sure to pass them through. We want to make sure they at least get to the judges round.’ 

Yes SpenserJ, I find that actually to be a rather plausible scenario. But I don’t think there’s anything untoward or dishonest about that. The show never promised complete transparency to the public about how it’s screening system works. The grapevine about unsigned talent must be buzzing all the time about possible candidates for Idol, so if the producers become aware that certain promising individuals are going to audition and have predetermined that they want to pass them through the initial rounds, that’s entirely kosher.

Ewan:

I read the EOnline article re: Adam and “fans throwing sex toys onstage”. Sorry, but I can’t agree with you — I didn’t find the comments section very funny. Lots of positive comments about Adam, but also a lot of homophobic crap mixed in with a bit of fan-warring.

I can’t understand why anyone would go to an article about Adam (or any other gay entertainer) and post nasty anti-gay garbage. Very disturbing.

That VTFW stuff was just lame. Yes, there is manipulation going on with the crowds and letting bad people through just for the entertainment value. D’uh. Yes, they are probably looking for not just singers, but personalities, sometimes they like to have the two actually go together, also d’uh. And actually, that one makes sense. The music industry isn’t just about who has the nicest voice and AI especially isn’t just about that.

But this whole plant stuff is where they lose me totally. Yes yes, some random anonymous people who didn’t make it through the process have a THEORY about why that is. Sorry, all too Orly Taitz to me.

But I don’t think there’s anything untoward or dishonest about that. The show never promised complete transparency to the public about how it’s screening system works. The grapevine about unsigned talent must be buzzing all the time about possible candidates for Idol, so if the producers become aware that certain promising individuals are going to audition and have predetermined that they want to pass them through the initial rounds, that’s entirely kosher.

I agree. I don’t have a problem with it either. I try to keep in mind that AI is casting a tv show, not just looking for people who can sing. And, that TV show bringing in huge ad revenue is very important to a lot of people at Fox & 19. So, they’ve got to attempt to at least find contestants that public will be interested in. And, those interesting people may not all have the masterclass type voice.

What I really liked about this year, was that AI tried so hard to write the story they wanted to. But, Kris and Adam were like “Fuck That” and wrote their own. Fun times for me as a viewer.

I seem to remember learning that, as a RACE, being Jewish is passed MATERNALLY’ ¦that is, if your mother is Jewish – you are. If this is, indeed the case, then Dadbert is not germane to Adam’s claim to being a Jew.

Being Jewish, as a religion, can be, of course, an entirely different matter’ ¦.

First of all, like Adam, I am half-Jewish, via my mother. Judaism is NOT a race; it’s an ethnicity AND/OR a religious faith. (Adam is Caucasian.) My mentioning “Dadbert” had nothing to do with how Adam self-identifies, but how the average Idol viewer perceived him, which is what I wrote in my original post.

(I actually pointed out here on MJ’s relatively early in the season that I thought Adam was Jewish, back when it really wasn’t a topic of discussion other than that perhaps the first Jewish contestant since Elliott Yamin might make the finals.)

I don’t believe Adam was ever bar mitzvahed, so I’m guessing he thinks of himself as a secular Jew, i.e., of Jewish ancestry and nominal faith, but not an observant Jew. I’m sorry, but from my personal experience, there’s no way in hell the average American Idol viewer would know he was Jewish.

Finally, I really don’t think most Idol watchers read the internets or watch Bill O’Reilly (who’s on at the same time as Idol here on the East Coast), so I’m not surprised there were folks who didn’t realize Adam is gay. Never underestimate the general cluelessness of the Average American!

Diana DeGarmo is from Snellville, GA … does she have an Alabama connection, too?

I think that 30 second are not give them a realistic chance to spot talents and I am sure the show could not afford it to let it play out by chance.

I see your point, but then again, they get to see how people look, who has an interesting look, like I’m sure that Johns, Carly, Brooke, Jason, and Cook, for instance, stood out as having unique looks. That alone might get them a second listen. And a great voice would also stand out, and get another listen.

I think they could weed a lot of people out around the table, and give some of them another chance. Archie, for instance, got dismissed, but as he was walking away, they called him back (something like that). I’m sure they miss a lot of good singers, but how else are they going to weed through that many people? The logistics would be overwhelming.

So many people are ordinary, in any field. Most are. They are probably looking for the very good and the very bad. People who stand out.

AND ‘What I mean is that people think AI is a talent show. No. It’s a reality show with writers!! ‘ 

Like Kelly said after the first season, “It’s a tv show, folks. It’s all scripted.”

But it’s also a talent show too.

There may be a lot of view and contestant manipulation in Idol, but I am very skeptical that there were be any vote rigging.

If there is vote rigging it’s the fans. I heard college students organized to jam Adam’s lines (they were actually bragging about it).

There may be plants, but it doesn’t mean that they will all do well. Jorge and Jasmine were, I feel, were chosen as much for being Puerto Rican and the next coming of Jordin as for talent. And we see how that worked out. Matt and Kris could *not* have been plants (I am not referring to taken, but to something else, in particular backstory). And I still contend that Adam was an experiment. I do not think, despite their pimping, that they thought he would go nearly as far as he did, with so many strikes (if you will) against him. I think they saw undeniable talent but also someone very different who might not even get to Top 10 (I think he got lucky with RoF not doing him in, and he has pretty much said the same thing.) I could be wrong about this, of course And I don’t even know what to say about Kris…TPTB sure didn’t see that coming (talent and humility–wow!). I DO know, from several interviews, that in the very first round, the “judges” are looking for personality (or types–prob personality types) and musical prowess has NOTHING to do with it. I hope that changed in rounds two and three, but who knows? It’s clear with the judges that they want potential Idols and loonies (hello, Bikini Girl). As much as I dislike VFTW, they are quoting from fans who *did* audition, so I don’t think it’s inaccurate, tho perhaps tilted.

My adorable 8-year-old nephew and his sister and their mom were in Boston today from Florida. Matt’s best friend went to the Idols concert in Ft Lauderdale (and yet not my sister! Infamy!). Matt said his friend LOVED Adam but liked Danny, too. My other sister voted (once ) for Danny but liked Adam, too (tho she is the one who kept saying he was too flamboyant and should be on Broadway…grrrr). I happen to love Adam (1) and Kris (2). I actually listen to more Kris-like music (Mat Kearney, Gavin DeGraw, Jason Mraz, etc) than Adam’s (Lady GaGa, Katy Perry, Bowie, Queen), tho I am a huge fan of electronica. However, b/c Adam has such a brilliant voice, I want to get his album, too. That said, I typically listen to Come Home and I Just Love You before I go to bed, and I would LOVE LOVE LOVE it if he would include one of those tracks on his album, or something similarly heartfelt (which is why I love his studio recordings of MW and especially One).

ETA: My sister is barely ever on the internet (tho a huge Idol fan) and she knew Adam was gay. (I knew he was a non-practicing Jew, as I am, but I think most viewers did not know this. However, they did know he wasn’t active in a church.)

I think they could weed a lot of people out around the table, and give some of them another chance. Archie, for instance, got dismissed, but as he was walking away, they called him back (something like that).

I always thought that Archie’s story of getting called back after he was dismissed (as he was leaving the arena) was because someone tipped off TPTB that this awesome former Star Search champ was trying out and his name was David Archuleta and he should be moved through, and then someone (the low-level producer/judge) just screwed up. Not saying he was a plant (as in he was going to be TCO, no ifs, ands or buts, no matter how much of a trainwreck he was), but that they just knew of him and were told to keep an eye out and give him at least another audition. I’m sure it was the same with Carly Smithson, Michael Johns and that former boy bander dude who tried to be a rocker (Robbie?) — basically people who had a history with major labels before or some other claim to fame (Syesha and Jason were in reality shows before). In other words, I fully believe in TPTB having “plants” who are given more opportunity to shine and more pimping, but at the end, they have to deliver.

I was a bit surprised to hear David was shot … I wouldn’t mind if he wrote a blog about that USO tour experience one day …

It was something I heard months ago, from several different places. I think someone mentioned it here on MJ’s once? Not sure about that. I have no idea where it started. I thought most people had at least heard the rumor. Guess not, haha.

LOL I think there were some rumors from people who knew him, and cause David is very touchy with guys and he hasn’t problems saying other guys are hot and stuff like that, some fans like to think he is Bi, it’s better for slash fanfiction.
As for David being agnostic, it’s from old blogs. Btw, many agnostic (and atheist) people do the Christmas thing. And your family can be christian, raise you that way, and you still be agnostic…
He was never asked about his religion and sexual orientation though…

David C – Christian (couldn’t find any specific info beyond this)

Cook is agnostic and stated this a few times — most notably in myspace or other blog pre-Idol in which he talked about being offended by the Evangelical Christians who were trying to use The Passion (Mel Gibson movie) as an excuse to evangelize to random people. Excerpts were posted on VFTW and then fansites.

“Northeast – Total 2 – 1 #4 (PA), 1 #4 (MD)” — Q3

Well, they certainly are in the Northeast. Mid-Atlantic States. So it’s New England that’s had a poor showing.

76% of Americans are Christian. I would say the majority of the 28-30 million watching Idol are Christian. Logically, the majority of kids, based on the 76% stats., auditioning for Idol will be Christian. Personally, religion has not nor will it ever play a part in my decision as to who I vote for on IDOL. It is the furthest thing from my mind.

Evangelical Christians only represent 5% of all Christians, perhaps less. I recall last year Larry King making some lame remark to David A., that there was a report/study/survey done saying the majority of reality TV show winners are Mormon. David A. was stumped by it and David Cook made a remark about “feeling like a jerk.” It went over David A.’s head, asking Cook, “why?”

I’m Catholic. Should I only vote for a Catholic? ::desperately trying not to be snarky at this point:: I’ll end it here.

Adam blurb Rockstar Weekly

http://www.rockstarweekly.com/content/view/644/149/

Didn’t see this posted, but it’s Ryan interviewing Lady GaGa: http://www.ryanseacrest.com/blog/whats-happening/lady-gaga-receives-9-vma-noms-explains-bizarre-kermit-coat/

Not really something most want to listen to, but towards the end Ryan asks her about RedOne and Adam Lambert. She says she knows something is up, but she cannot say anything. Did she hear the tracks? Write a song? Is there a duet? Let the speculation begin.

(She’s probably just being coy).

In other RedOne news, one of my favorite new artists (Little Boots, she’s in the UK and electropop/dance) did a track with him to aim for a “Number One” (the words in the interview) and she talked about him being a hitmaker and working fast as it was all done in two days. So yes, his reputation as working fast is still there. The song is called “Remedy” if anyone wants to check it out.

Adam blurb Rockstar Weekly

http://www.rockstarweekly.com/content/view/644/149/

Oh, Canada…

I was a bit surprised to hear David was shot ‘ ¦ I wouldn’t mind if he wrote a blog about that USO tour experience one day ‘ ¦

I’m sure you mean, shot at. I don’t think David Cook has been touring around the country, non-stop, with a gunshot wound.

News about Allison album, this guy tweeted:

Mad_Money1 flyin to pitsburgh on the 20th to record vocals with allison on our track! woot!

Apparently, it’s Michael Biancaniello who worked with Jordin and Kelly on their last albums, http://www.myspace.com/michaelbiancaniello

PAULA JUST TWITTERED THAT SHE’S NOT COMING BACK TO IDOL!

With sadness in my heart, I’ve decided not to return to #IDOL. I’ll miss nurturing all the new talent, but most of all..Cont’d…

I’ll miss nurturing all the new talent,but most of all being a part of a show that I helped from day1become an international phenomenon.

So Kara stays and Paula doesn’t? Screw that. This better be some last ditch negotiating deal.

PAULA’S GONE?!

Well. That’s very sad news to me. She may have been loopy and stuttered a lot, but she was the nice one, I thought she added quite a lot to the show. I dunno if I can watch next season. No Kris, no Paula….. Sad.

After reading all these pages of comments, I’ll add that Cook is from Blue Springs, Mo. not actually Kansas City and Regis and Kelly is taped prior to the day it’s broadcast so there’s not worry about him making it to both Tv appearances Friday. And this very old lady from the Midwest ( Iowa is about as Midwest as you can get) knew Adam was Jewish and Gay before it ever came out on the Internet. I guess it’s true that with age comes wisdom. Now I’m off to watch some of Adam’s performance videos and wish I was at the tour show tonight.

This been posted?
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/americanidoltracker/2009/08/adam-lambert-the-ultimate-interview-part-1.html

Regis and Kelly is taped prior to the day it’s broadcast

I’m pretty sure that Regis and Kelly is live.

It’s billed as Regis and Kelly Live, but it is taped. Go to their web site and it states it’s taped weekdays at 9.00 a.m. if you want tickets. As a fan of several other Idols, I’ve seen reviews done from the taping before the show even aired.

I’m pretty sure that Regis and Kelly is live.

I thought the full name of the show was Live with Regis and Kelly? No?

ETA:

Go to their web site and it states it’s taped weekdays at 9.00 a.m. if you want tickets

It airs at 9am on weekdays for me…

Kansas City, MO is the largest city in MO and pretty metropolitan, so not really small town middle America, and I don’t think they consider themselves the South either.

Actually, St Louis is the largest city in MO. Just FYI

Kansas City is the state’s largest city, and Greater St. Louis is the state’s largest metropolitan area.

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GeminiDolly
Aug 4th, 2009 at 10:56 pm
This been posted?
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/americanidoltracker/2009/08/adam-lambert-the-ultimate-interview-part-1.html

Thank you for this, very informative.

evanjane:

I recall last year Larry King making some lame remark to David A., that there was a report/study/survey done saying the majority of reality TV show winners are Mormon. David A. was stumped by it and David Cook made a remark about ‘feeling like a jerk.’  It went over David A.’s head, asking Cook, ‘why?’ 

The best part of that exchange was when King said, “I just read this — that lots of Mormons win reality tv shows” and Archie, in a wry voice, said, “Not this one.”

Which almost caused Cook to perform a very unplanned for spit take.

Speaking of Cook…

leome:

I was a bit surprised to hear David was shot ‘ ¦ I wouldn’t mind if he wrote a blog about that USO tour experience one day ‘ ¦

Wait… what? He was shot (at, I presume)? I hadn’t heard that. Huh. Honestly, it seems that DC is a master at keeping things he doesn’t want to talk about quiet…

Regis & Kelly is Live. They tape it for other time zones, so it can run after the morning shows. Just like Idol is taped for West Coast.

CindyM
Aug 5th, 2009 at 12:40 am
GeminiDolly
Aug 4th, 2009 at 10:56 pm
This been posted?
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/americanidoltracker/2009/08/adam-lambert-the-ultimate-interview-part-1.html

Thank you for this, very informative.

I know. They left off at the cruise-ship. I wonder if he will go into detail about what happened there. Im loving this in depth interview.

Regarding the Latimesblog interview with Adam. This according to a post from IDF. Hope its true.

NEWS FLASH!: I am actually a friend of Fred’s, spoke with him, and this is going to be a 4-PART INTERVIEW! There will also be interviews with Kris & Allison. It will be true Kradison!

Some commercial Adam was in back in the strawberry blonde hair days. I hadnt seen it. I still cant believe its Adam. It does not register in my brain. LOL.

Adam commericial

NEWS FLASH!: I am actually a friend of Fred’s, spoke with him, and this is going to be a 4-PART INTERVIEW! There will also be interviews with Kris & Allison. It will be true Kradison!’

Oh, I hope so! That would be amazing. I wonder if the Kris/Allison interviews will be 4-parters as well? That would be even more amazing. So much amazingness.

Some commercial Adam was in back in the strawberry blonde hair days. I hadnt seen it. I still cant believe its Adam. It does not register in my brain.

:laugh_tb:

Regis and Kelly is MOST DEFINITELY live in most East Coast markets. Now I haven’t watched it in a while, but I believe that during the summer they pretape some Friday shows to give themselves long weekends. That may or may not be the case this Friday.

Adam Lambert Hits a High Note with Pennyroyal Silver’s Signature Collection

http://www.pr.com/press-release/169885

ETA: with only 100 made I’m sure they sold out in seconds.

ETAA: They sold out in 2 hours, but are contacting him to design something new.