Idol Headlines for 07/30/10

Jordin Sparks shot an episode of the MTV series, “When I Was 17? (Wasn’t that only like, 2 seconds ago? Heh.) Jordin tweets, “Oh! Duh. I shot my episode of #wheniwas17 today at @MTV! Make sure you watch out for that! ”

LOL Right after I read the first line, I thought exactly the same thing. This is cool though.. I think she still has a lot of potential and growth ahead of her.

MTV has long since stopped carrying any show I’d watch, but when I do pass by the channel the shows all seem to involve silly/loud or pregnant teens. Jordin doesn’t fit at all, and that’s a very good thing. Will have to see what this one’s about.

Glad for David’s album release date change, although my wait just got longer.

Jordin doesn’t fit at all, and that’s a very good thing. Will have to see what this one’s about.

Other idols have already appeared on the show this season. Kris Allen, Kimberly Caldwell & Katharine McPhee have all appeared. It’s a pretty good show and really funny. Watch it, you will like it. Episodes are posted online if you want to check it out.

I also laughed at Jordan being on ‘When I Was 17′, but then I thought about how it makes sense. I was definitely a different person at 17 than I was at 13, and everything about me was extremely different from 17 to 21.

Is there no link for Kris and his being at the Fox PAC-10 event?

Someone should tell ‘AI Reject’ that in order for your 15 minutes of fame to be up, you first need to HAVE 15 minutes of fame. The best thing that could come out of this is maybe AI will rethink their propensity for highlighting loonies.

Interesting that they have pushed Archie’s album back a few weeks but not surprising since this week he was still writing songs for it. Guess we’ll have to hang on three weeks longer.

Moved over from last night’s thread.

Kris Pac-10 Conference Hollywood Premiere Night at the Fox Studios Lot in Los Angeles

http://krisallengallery.com/thumbnails.php?album=455

This is a link to the edited version of Danny’s I Will Not Say Goodbye video that’s now up at CMT.com. This is presumably also the version now being released to the GAC channel.

http://www.cmt.com/videos/danny-gokey/546636/i-will-not-say-goodbye-short-version.jhtml

I think it’s a good move to have one that is a more conventional running length for day-in, day-out rotation as IWNSG has now reached top 40 on the mediabase chart and they want to see it keep pushing upward.

This shorter version is actually more intense to me than the longer one with the three stories and Danny’s appearances on screen spread out. The long-form version is still at CMT.com as well.
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Danny opens for Sugarland tonight at Frontier Days in Cheyenne WY. It doesn’t appear any other acts are joining them, in which case Danny should get a nice long opening set which he hasn’t been able to do yet on his Sugarland touring. All the other dates had Jake Owen, Luke Bryan, Little Big Town as the middle opener. Or, well, also Julianne Hough though from personal experience, I try to forget that one

Adam was just interviewed by a Las Vegas radio station. He says he wants sand on stage for the Mandalay Bay concert, lol, but what was really cool is that he gave a huge shout out to Allison. They asked him who he thought should be banished from radio but he wouldn’t play along and said “You know who needs to be on radio MORE?” And said Allison, and went on praising her talent. He is so damn sweet.

The other stuff was all things we heard before but they were the station that interviewed Slash a few weeks back and retold the story about how Slash only agreed to go on Idol so he could meet Adam.

Interesting that they have pushed Archie’s album back a few weeks but not surprising since this week he was still writing songs for it.

That is interesting. But so often those last minute songs at the end of the album production are the best ones. Looking forward to checking out Archie’s stuff. Fall is looking crowded with Idols though. October will be Archie and Lee. I’m assuming November is Crystal, and cross our fingers David Cook. Kelly Clarkson is also shooting for a drop date in there somewhere. Kat McPhee will have her Christmas album. Did I miss anything?

I guess they aren’t as far along on Archie’s album as they thought? But better to push back the date then rush it out.

That Allison shoutout was very sweet of Adam. He’s a good friend/”big brother” — AND he’s right!

Photos of Kris from the Fox/Pac-10 party

http://img202.yfrog.com/gal.php?g=22172462.jpg

Fall is looking crowded with Idols though. October will be Archie and Lee. I’m assuming November is Crystal, and cross our fingers David Cook.

Does anyone have a feel for how they think Lee’s album will do? I know there is no way to know, but. . . . .

Taylor sang some Rod Stewart last night in VA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D2nVMmLrjgc&feature=player_embedded

Fall is looking crowded with Idols though. October will be Archie and Lee. I’m assuming November is Crystal, and cross our fingers David Cook.

Honestly, this makes me a tad bit nervous. I wish they’d get the idols on a different schedule.

By the way, I see the Adam Lambert concert in Las Vegas is coming up.

Here’s the deal:

There’s a local newspaper in Las Vegas that I am NO LONGER LINKING TO. If you try to link, your post will automatically be pulled. If you post tweets from any of the papers columnists, THOSE posts will be automatically pulled. Also, NO DISCUSSION is permitted on my blog regarding any stories, tweets or columns connected to that paper.

I’m also not going to name the paper. You’ll know it when you try to link and your post is pulled.

I’m not going to discuss why. I’m only going to ask that you respect my wishes and leave it at that.

MTV has long since stopped carrying any show I’d watch, but when I do pass by the channel the shows all seem to involve silly/loud or pregnant teens.

Those pregnant teen shows are the best things they have going IMO, because it makes the whole teen pregnancy thing look like something you definitely don’t want to do yourself. No glamorizing there, thank God. When I was 17 is a pretty cute show though.

That is interesting. But so often those last minute songs at the end of the album production are the best ones. Looking forward to checking out Archie’s stuff. Fall is looking crowded with Idols though. October will be Archie and Lee. I’m assuming November is Crystal, and cross our fingers David Cook. Kelly Clarkson is also shooting for a drop date in there somewhere. Kat McPhee will have her Christmas album. Did I miss anything?

I think that’s it, but since Kelly and Cook don’t have release dates I wouldn’t be surprised if one of them got pushed back to the spring… maybe Kelly. RCA has a bunch of fall releases planned, they may want to lighten the load.

Does anyone have a feel for how they think Lee’s album will do? I know there is no way to know, but. . . . .

I don’t have a clue! But I do think he’s the most popular Idol this season, so there’s that. I do want to track all the upcoming Idol releases though, that should be fun.

I think that’s it, but since Kelly and Cook don’t have release dates I wouldn’t be surprised if one of them got pushed back to the spring… maybe Kelly. RCA has a bunch of fall releases planned, they may want to lighten the load.

Gahh… will not angst… will.not.angst… =P. One step at a time. Gonna keep tracking David’s progress, as much as he’s letting us in on it via twitter, and look forward to Archie’s album.

I’m also not going to name the paper. You’ll know it when you try to link and your post is pulled.

MJ, I respect your wishes. Could you please clarify, though– is there basically only one real newspaper in Las Vegas, thus we should just avoid posting anything out of Las Vegas? Or is there more than one newspaper and we’ll only know we’ve hit the wrong one when the post gets pulled? I see that there’s already an article on Adam that’s come up in a LV newspaper anticipating the show…

That picture of Kris is actually adorable!

They asked him who he thought should be banished from radio but he wouldn’t play along and said “You know who needs to be on radio MORE?” And said Allison, and went on praising her talent. He is so damn sweet.

awwww Adam is such a sweet heart he really is

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I have very low expectations for Lee’s album in terms of sales. Although he’s the most popular S9 contestant, he doesn’t appear to have a huge fanbase and his coronation song tanked. IF his first single off his album connects with an audience, that should help, although LLWD has shown you can have a big hit single and still not sell a bunch of albums. What direction are they going to try and send Lee — Hot AC? Because he doesn’t come off (to me) as Pop, and rock stations simply pretty much refuse to play any ex-Idols, so going Alt Rock/Triple AAA seems like it would be a risk that’s unlikely to pay off.

I’m predicting Lee will sell less than the 80K Kris did his first week, but that’s just a guess. IF his album is really good and IF he has a strong 1st single he could sell more than Kris — but right at this moment, that just seems unlikely.

Animated Clay is so cute!

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Thanks for your thoughts. I was just curious. You never know these days how things will go since album sales have continually gone down in the past 5 years. It will be interesting. Promotion definitely is a big key, but even good promotion does not always translate into great sales.

Great set of close up pictures of Kris, but then he hardly ever takes bad ones.
He looks so happy.

MJ, I respect your wishes. Could you please clarify, though– is there basically only one real newspaper in Las Vegas, thus we should just avoid posting anything out of Las Vegas?

The Las Vegas Sun is a wonderful newspaper. Feel free to link to them.

Or is there more than one newspaper and we’ll only know we’ve hit the wrong one when the post gets pulled?

Yep. Link to the paper, and your post will get pulled automatically. That’s how you’ll know.

I also have the paper’s gossip columnist’s name in my filter. Tweets from him will be pulled, as well as his articles.

I see that there’s already an article on Adam that’s come up in a LV newspaper anticipating the show…

Yep. Link to that article? It’ll be pulled. (It already has)

Didn’t see this posted

alreferenced
The San Diego Union-Tribune: Lambert gets high marks on musical report card. http://bit.ly/cSZHho

This shorter version is actually more intense to me than the longer one with the three stories and Danny’s appearances on screen spread out.

I feel the same. With the shorter version you focus more on the story that’s highlighted about the police officer, and the overall impact of the song builds with less interruption to the flow of it. I like the longer version too but I’m glad they did this one – I think it will work better for a higher rotation of the video.

Adam was just interviewed by a Las Vegas radio station. He says he wants sand on stage for the Mandalay Bay concert, lol, but what was really cool is that he gave a huge shout out to Allison.

Darnit! They were going to repeat this interview at 9PST and I missed it again. Did anyone grab it?

Thanks for the clarification, MJ. That’s very helpful.

lol I’m not going to link it but the article seems perfectly harmless snarking on AI. I thought that was encouraged here. We seem to have discussed way more inflamatory things here but ok.

I think Lee might end up surprising some people who have low expectations for him and his upcoming album. And concerning his single, he was also coming off a lower watched season of American Idol, and he and Crystal (whose winner’s single, if she had won, would have tanked even worse than his)were also the first Winner and Runner up on this show to not get original songs for their singles. Add to that Lee picked a song that is so closely associated originally with a massive group like U2, and it’s not hard to figure out why his single didn’t do so well.

His album may be a whole different story.

I think that’s it, but since Kelly and Cook don’t have release dates I wouldn’t be surprised if one of them got pushed back to the spring… maybe Kelly. RCA has a bunch of fall releases planned, they may want to lighten the load.

Totally agree, in fact I JUST said to someone I wouldnt be shocked if David’s CD went from a “fall” release” to a “winter” release (and tbh I truly dont feel hes a huge priority to RCA especially if it came down to him and Kelly). He doesnt seem to be in the studio nearly as much as I thought he would be considering how long it took him to actually get into the studio and there’s way too much silence, no buzz coming from RCA, no hint a single is on the horizon, nothing..and at Phil Marshal’s show he told my friend he’s enjoying taking his time with this CD and he had no clue about a targeted date. I get it shouldnt be a rush job like the debut CD but still, they SHOULD at least be concerned about getting it out in a timely manner and hes had months to work on writing.

at Phil Marshal’s show he told my friend he’s enjoying taking his time with this CD and he had no clue about a targeted date.

This is David speaking to your friend? Wow… slowly giving up hope for a November release…

Adam’s interview this morning:
http://cbskmxb.files.wordpress.com/2010/07/adamlambert.mp3

I think Lee might end up surprising some people who have low expectations for him and his upcoming album.

If it’s on key it will have exceeded my expectations.

Avril Lavigne is also RCA and releasing in the fall. They’ve got a lot on their plate. Trying to get lead single airplay for Kelly, Cook, Lee, Avril, and MAYBE Sleepwalker for Adam.

Lee has never had problems with pitchiness in any of his studio recordings.

And I was talking about in terms of sales anyway.

alreferenced
The San Diego Union-Tribune: Lambert gets high marks on musical report card. http://bit.ly/cSZHho

I actually think that’s a pretty fair assessment of Adam’s career so far. Good on the sales, great on the touring and on holding media attention.

and tbh I truly dont feel hes a huge priority to RCA especially if it came down to him and Kelly

If it comes down to a choice between him and Kelly of course he’d lose. She’s Kelly Freaking Clarkson. LOL! So I agree with you there. But would it really be that kind of a choice? The only reason I was thinking Kelly might get pushed back is because David is laying down vocals and seems almost done.But then again, this could just be the first batch of songs. I have no clue on this. I hope he doesn’t wait that long, though. Its already been too long IMO.

Trying to get lead single airplay for Kelly, Cook, Lee, Avril, and MAYBE Sleepwalker for Adam.

And Kings of Leon. Don’t forget them. That’s a lot going on at once.

This is David speaking to your friend? Wow… slowly giving up hope for a November release…

Yes and I purposely refrained from saying anything because the few people she told on Twitter were in a panic. But IMO him saying that to her is no different than this he tweeted..

Finished till 2mrw. Really excited about how this record is shaping up. No ETA yet, but I can’t wait to get one for everyone. Night, all.
1:27 AM Jul 14th via Twitter for iPhone

So he said himself on Twitter he had no “estimated time of arrival”yet all you saw on Twitter after that was tons of comments towards him basically saying “gosh we’ll wait forever for this so take your time”. Oy.

lol I’m not going to link it but the article seems perfectly harmless snarking on AI. I thought that was encouraged here. We seem to have discussed way more inflamatory things here but ok.

Snarking on AI is OK. MJ hasn’t said anything against the article itself, so the content of the article probably isn’t the issue.

I don’t get what the big deal is. There are lots of articles out there. Let’s stop probing about this one source and find other sources. Sometimes, one just honours a polite request.

And Kings of Leon. Don’t forget them. That’s a lot going on at once.

I didn’t realize they were releasing too. Seems like they’d be going for the same playlist space as Cook and Lee.

I’m really excited/curious to see what Cook puts out for #2.

I didn’t realize they were releasing too. Seems like they’d be going for the same playlist space as Cook and Lee.

Well, like Cook and Kelly, they don’t have a release date either. Plus I don’t know if they are really going to try to go pop with them right away or go straight to rock radio… I would imagine KOL will have huge sales regardless.

Just noticed this from the Fanny article:

And she’s juggling the single parenting of 9-year-old Zion

It really has been a while since she won hasn’t it? Fanny’s daughter is 9 years old. Wow.

Totally agree, in fact I JUST said to someone I wouldnt be shocked if David’s CD went from a “fall” release” to a “winter” release (and tbh I truly dont feel hes a huge priority to RCA especially if it came down to him and Kelly). He doesnt seem to be in the studio nearly as much as I thought he would be considering how long it took him to actually get into the studio and there’s way too much silence, no buzz coming from RCA, no hint a single is on the horizon, nothing..and at Phil Marshal’s show he told my friend he’s enjoying taking his time with this CD and he had no clue about a targeted date. I get it shouldnt be a rush job like the debut CD but still, they SHOULD at least be concerned about getting it out in a timely manner and hes had months to work on writing.

This drives me nuts.. I’ve only been following AI at this level for about 18 months or so, is this typical? It just seems counter intuitive to wait that long. Did previous winner/#2 runner up take this long for their 2nd albums?

I’ve always looked at the AI debut albums as a “proof of concept” and not their best work. You’d think they’d be getting these guys back in the studios fairly quickly after tour to work on their ‘real’ album before the rest of the buying public forgets about their AI run.

http://www.newspusher.com/EN/post/1280488862-2/EN-kris+allen/pac-10-premiere-night.html

NY Post on Kris & The Truth

http://www.nypost.com/p/blogs/popwrap/can_kris_allen_handle_the_truth_JigI4S7vFsFl6TLPZ3UXbP

ETA. I don’t get what the disconnect was for LLWD considering its sales.

I not sure what this is supposed to be from Kris’ video shoot.

pboutte
Here ya go Kris Allen fans. Vague I know but still pretty cool. http://yfrog.com/n9d41lj

I didn’t realize they were releasing too. Seems like they’d be going for the same playlist space as Cook and Lee.

I’m with tinawina (braineater, hee), KOL may go for rock radio first. Lee and Cook decidedly will not get the type of rock radio attention that KOL gets, if at all. More than likely, they won’t get any rock radio attention.

I forgot about Avril. Was her song for the Alice in Wonderland movie released to radio, cuz I never heard it. I thought her album was near done back when that song came out. Wonder what the hold up is about.

I’ve always looked at the AI debut albums as a “proof of concept” and not their best work. You’d think they’d be getting these guys back in the studios fairly quickly after tour to work on their ‘real’ album before the rest of the buying public forgets about their AI run.

I think that’s why it’s good to see Kris and Adam already talking about working on their second album. TBH, I’m not sure David’s neverending 153-date tour was the best choice in the world, because it pretty much precluded him from starting in earnest on scheduled writing sessions before December 2009, which was over a year and a half after his win. I think Kris and Adam are looking to work on their new albums much sooner than this winter, which is smart.

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several of us decided the NY Post person meant that LLWD didn’t connect with him personally. Because it makes no sense otherwise, given how well i’s sold and doing Top 10 in 3 formats.

You’d think they’d be getting these guys back in the studios fairly quickly after tour to work on their ‘real’ album before the rest of the buying public forgets about their AI run.

Yes and Adam seems to be on a much faster timeline than Cook since he mentioned recording in Europe for his new album this fall. Originally Cook was hopeful about debuting a new single on Idol last May so it seems his timeline has been shifted back for some reason. And I agree that Cook would have been better served working on new music than touring endlessly.

I learned something this week that has raised my hopes for Lee’s album. That something is, that AI isn’t exactly the universal force that I sort of thought it was. So, if Lee takes his very commercial voice and puts out a first single that is good, he may actually do all right despite being an AI product. And based on what I’ve heard of his stuff, he might be able to do that, especially if he’s working with the right people.

As for him competing with Cookie, IMO he’d have to rock a *lot* harder than he ever has before, to end up in the same category. I see the two of them as totally different performers.

New Tweet:

@HerbLongs: Checked with David Cook’s management. They are still in studio. No timeline set up yet on when a single will be released.
Also asked about the rumors that a Cook song will be featured on Glee. Publicist said it’s news to him. So just a rumor as of now.

And David Cook speaks.

thedavidcook Finishing up lead vocals on this first batch of songs today. Also, after golf yesterday, aloe vera is my friend… #farmersTAN

I’ve always looked at the AI debut albums as a “proof of concept” and not their best work.

“proof of concept”. I like that. I will be stealing it.

You’d think they’d be getting these guys back in the studios fairly quickly after tour to work on their ‘real’ album before the rest of the buying public forgets about their AI run.

ITA. That’s why I think waiting more than 2 years is a bad idea. I do think there is a general sense of the second album being the “real” album for Idol alums, and people might be willing to give you a listen if they liked you, but only if they haven’t completely forgotten about you.

But, since we really don’t know DC won’t come out in the fall, there probably isn’t anything to worry about yet. Ideal would have been a summer single and early fall album (October?) IMO, but it looks like that ship has sailed. I’m crossing my fingers for a September single and a November album at this point, although that means the competition for radio play will likely be FIERCE.

I’m not sure David’s neverending 153-date tour was the best choice in the world, because it pretty much precluded him from starting in earnest on scheduled writing sessions before December 2009, which was over a year and a half after his win.

I’m torn on it. I get the concept of touring as long as there is a demand. But if I remember correctly, the November dates didn’t sell as well as the earlier leg of the tour, right? I remember Daughtry having similar issues and people saying that November was generally a bad time for touring because of the holidays. So in retrospect, maybe that time would have been better spent writing. Who knows.

thedavidcook Finishing up lead vocals on this first batch of songs today. Also, after golf yesterday, aloe vera is my friend… #farmersTAN

First batch of songs? Well that answers that question. LOL. I think there’s a decent chance that this album will not drop until next year. **crosses fingers**

On the other hand, the first batch of songs is likely to include single choices. Sigh.

Yes and Adam seems to be on a much faster timeline than Cook since he mentioned recording in Europe for his new album this fall. Originally Cook was hopeful about debuting a new single on Idol last May so it seems his timeline has been shifted back for some reason.

Well yeah, he also said early on he expected to be in the studio February/March so obviously things changed. It happens all the time. I also think the writing sessions went on way too long. My main concern now is even the studio time seems to be on a slower schedule than I guess I was expecting. And I would think they should at the least have a targeted timeframe.

‘American Idol’: Here’s an idea: Cancel it.

As I said, I know: Ain’t gonna happen, dawg. But I’m throwing it out there as a constructive suggestion for the health of American TV, singing, and idol-making.

double dose of tweeting. David and Kris posted almost at the exact same time

KrisAllen
#Is it me or is the man-hug becoming more an more popular? 4 minutes ago via Echofon

TheDavidCook
#Finishing up lead vocals on this first batch of songs today. Also, after golf yesterday, aloe vera is my friend… #farmersTAN 5 minutes ago via Twitter for iPhone

Albums get pushed back all the time. Actually it is kind of normal. So I wouldn’t be surprised if Adam didn’t actually get something out in the spring: ditto Kris.

That said, I do think if DC misses this fall it is a mistake. Either his material will have to be THAT strong or they will have to plan one hell of a rollout to overcome that… probably both.

Yay for RCAPromo being on the ball (this time, lol.)

@RCAPromo: Let’s go DC [David Cook]! RT @thedavidcook Finishing up lead vocals on this first batch of songs today.

Nothing like a little cheerleading from the promotional department at the label to raise spirits.

thedavidcook Finishing up lead vocals on this first batch of songs today. Also, after golf yesterday, aloe vera is my friend… #farmersTAN

DUDE. Somebody lurking here or WHAT? LOL, so that answers that question– they’re done with the first batch of songs. How long did that batch take in total? A month and a half, two months end to end? Yeah, depending on how many more “batches” they need, I’m thinking the chances of a Fall release are slipping away. Don’t engineering and mastering and all those post-production things take another month after the recording is done? I’m still hanging onto November (despite the massive competition, holiday sales are worth the fight, IMO), but it depends.

Also asked about the rumors that a Cook song will be featured on Glee. Publicist said it’s news to him. So just a rumor as of now.

Boo…

KrisAllen
#Is it me or is the man-hug becoming more an more popular? 4 minutes ago via Echofon

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@KrisAllen lmao! A good firm handshake works wonders! Nice working with you man!

How long did that batch take in total? A month and a half, two months end to end? Yeah, depending on how many more “batches” they need, I’m thinking the chances of a Fall release are slipping away. Don’t engineering and mastering and all those post-production things take another month after the recording is done?

Didn’t they start like mid/end of June? Plus they took a week off in July, so that’s about a month or so recording time total. I think you are right on the mastering timeline. So if we are optimistic and say he only needs one more batch of songs, that has him finishing up maybe early September, then a month of mastering taking us to early October, then maybe a week or 2 to have the CDs printed and shipped to stores, taking us to the end of October/early November, under an optimistic scenario.

Um… yeah. I think we just may be looking at 2011 right now. Come on Dave, you can get a move on!

To add to the “no longer optimistic about Fall” thing

@Herblongs: Checked with David Cook’s management. They are still in studio. No timeline set up yet on when a single will be released.

Beyond stupid. Yes RCA by all means keep twiddling your thumbs *eyeroll*

i hope david cook’s album will make it this year..seriously.. i been expecting already for a long time.. since he said on idol that he wanted it to be released “yesterday” (see jumping jack flash performance)

and then idol magazine said “summer”..
and sooner or later, summer will be over and no single yet..

oh well, i will wait again patiently..

I agree with you, tinawina. If and ONLY if there’s only one more batch of songs, plus maybe one or two last minute stragglers (I like those, remember Kiss On the Neck?), then November is still a possibility. Otherwise, we’re looking at 2011, for sure.

I also think the writing sessions went on way too long. My main concern now is even the studio time seems to be on a slower schedule than I guess I was expecting. And I would think they should at the least have a targeted timeframe.

I will agree with you that I didn’t realize writing would take… nearly 5-6 months was it? But the material is so important that I can’t begrudge them spending that extra time. I also really hope that means David will have writing credit on every song… he basically did the cowriting on DCTR in a couple months post-Idol, and managed 13 cowrites (including bonus tracks), so I’m hopeful on that front. I also can’t hate on the fact that they’re taking some time in the studio, since I really wanted the band on this record so that the arrangements would reflect the band’s superior live sound…

So bottom line, I will blame the endless tour =P.

Does seem the video shoot of “The Truth” is getting some press.

http://www.hotxpress.com/

I remember Daughtry having similar issues and people saying that November was generally a bad time for touring because of the holidays.

I didn’t see him until the day after Thanksgiving, so I’m glad he extended it that long for me It doesn’t matter they make more money if no one is buying it.

I’m not hung up on songwriting credits as long as the singles are good and get airplay. I have no issue with the Script and Pink songs being leads for Adam and Kris. If Cook (and the other Idols) can write a hit, that would be great. But if not, if they think they ‘have a hot one’ (Randy) that’s ok with me too.

The Jive Bros Swapping (or swiping) Clothes Again!

NY Post on Kris & The Truth

http://www.nypost.com/p/blogs/popwrap/can_kris_allen_handle_the_truth_JigI4S7vFsFl6TLPZ3UXbP

he put the audio of the album’s song instead of the radio single!

I’m not hung up on songwriting credits as long as the singles are good and get airplay. I have no issue with the Script and Pink songs being leads for Adam and Kris. If Cook (and the other Idols) can write a hit, that would be great. But if not, if they think they ‘have a hot one’ (Randy) that’s ok with me too.

I’m in the same boat as you. I’m not one that really notices if my fav. artists have writing credits or not. I’d love for them all to get a smash & I don’t care how they get there.

I never paid attention to songwriting until I started watching Idol and hanging out in the blogosphere. I never thought about a song beyond “is it good?” All I care about is what the artist does with the song. I’m not reading the lyrics. I’m listening to the song. If I just want words, I’ll go find a book.

But, since we really don’t know DC won’t come out in the fall, there probably isn’t anything to worry about yet. Ideal would have been a summer single and early fall album (October?) IMO, but it looks like that ship has sailed. I’m crossing my fingers for a September single and a November album at this point, although that means the competition for radio play will likely be FIERCE.

I don’t see why they couldn’t get Cook’s album out by November. If he’s finished recording vocals for the first batch of songs and the rest are written there is plenty of time to get the album out in November. But since he has been off the radio so long, I would think they would want the lead single out 8 weeks in advance — and that means mid- to late September. That could be a real challenge.

Fall will competitive but Spring 2011 is also going to be full of big pop albums — including Gaga’s new album — so I think pop radio is going to be very competitive in November. New songs from Fall releases and lead singles from the early Spring albums.

Archie’s Early Oct 2010 release is looking really well timed. And the product offering is nicely developed…..

Sony has a great fan edition of TOSOD that is only $30.99 and comes with an initialed photo + lots of extras.
http://www.sonymusicdigital.com/david-archuleta/details/5590791

I’m not hung up on songwriting credits as long as the singles are good and get airplay.

In general, I’m not hung up on it either, it’s just that with David’s stuff, I’ve found that I LIKE his writing a lot, while I have NOT loved his songs that were written by others (TOML, CBTM, LO). I actually love LLWD, so no prejudices there. Some of my favorite Kelly Clarkson songs were not written by her (though my favorite, Because of You, was).

But for certain artists that I like because of their writing style, (off the top of my head, for example, Sara Barielles, John Mayer, Jason Mraz) I do prefer to see their albums full of stuff they wrote because basically, that’s what I’m here for, you know? I like to hear their writing, that’s why I bought the album. David’s not a “singer songwriter” like those guys, and he’s actually not as good, IMO, but I still find his writing style, for the most part, to be interesting, distinctive, and suited to him. And by writing style, I do mean both music and lyrics. Anyway, that’s why I want to see David co-writes. Cuz I think I’ll like them. That’s all. Not cuz I have some weird need to see his name on the liner notes. No one reads those anymore anyway.

I will agree with you that I didn’t realize writing would take… nearly 5-6 months was it? But the material is so important that I can’t begrudge them spending that extra time. I also really hope that means David will have writing credit on every song… he basically did the cowriting on DCTR in a couple months post-Idol, and managed 13 cowrites (including bonus tracks), so I’m hopeful on that front. I also can’t hate on the fact that they’re taking some time in the studio, since I really wanted the band on this record so that the arrangements would reflect the band’s superior live sound…

I’m not hung up on songwriting credits as long as the singles are good and get airplay. I have no issue with the Script and Pink songs being leads for Adam and Kris. If Cook (and the other Idols) can write a hit, that would be great. But if not, if they think they ‘have a hot one’ (Randy) that’s ok with me too.

Setting aside any artistic/performance benefits of an artist singing a song they wrote, artists make a lot more money if they write the song.

But lots of artists write while they are touring. And most artists can put together the material for an album in less than 6 months. Perhaps they spent some time exploring the direction the album should take. Alternative rock, post-grunge, light rock, is not doing that well commercially. And a lot of rock artists, like Nickleback, have shifted to country-rock. Others like Daughtry have moved more towards pop — at least for their lead singles. I think David has a strategic challenge — similar to Daughtry’s challenge. How do you keep your fanbase but transition to a position that will get you pop airplay?

NOTE: I am not saying that Cook = Daughtry or Nickleback — just used them as examples of bands that have shifted recently. The guys from Nickleback have done a number of interviews about the challenges they face.

I would like them to release songs they write and co-write because (a) those songs are more likely to show more about who they are as musicians, more unique/distinctive and (b) they make more $$$ in royalties if they have writing credit. But I’m not against any of them releasing singles that they don’t have any hand in writing. If it’s a good song, it shouldn’t matter who wrote it.

I don’t see why they couldn’t get Cook’s album out by November. If he’s finished recording vocals for the first batch of songs and the rest are written there is plenty of time to get the album out in November. But since he has been off the radio so long, I would think they would want the lead single out 8 weeks in advance — and that means mid- to late September. That could be a real challenge.

I think your last sentence is the answer to your first question! LOL

I think he could get the album done and in stores by November (see timeline laid out above to sma11ie) but really, at this point they only have about a month and a half to set up a decent lead single for a fall album and with all this nonsense about “no timeline for a single set yet” it doesn’t sound like anybody at his label is prepared to get their hustle on like that. He’s not a pop star so he will have to be really worked in a competitive season to make an impact before November, though he shouldn’t have a problem with HAC at all. Also, he needs to set up advance press with magazines which needs considerable lead time, book TV promo dates (those spots should be filling up soon), etc. So no, if the label doesn’t already have their eye on a song and a drop date for the album I’m not entirely optimistic they can pull a decent launch together for the fall. It could happen, but I’m not holding my breath.

But maybe 19M is powerful and connected enough they can get him good promo spots even in a hurry? I don’t know! That would be cool.

If they miss Fall at least they’d have time to really set something up for the Spring album promo wise, so there’s that.

$31 is way more $$$ than I would spend on a CD that isn’t a double album. A signed photo and a few “extras” isn’t worth another $15-20. For that amount of money, I need, a DVD of a live concert or something along those lines, along with the main CD.

So I don’t know how many copies of that Archie is going to sell. As far as I can tell, in general the non-hardcore fans tend to go for the standard CD over the deluxe ones

Its always going to be competitive whether it be Spring or Fall, and lets face it he isnt going to debut at #1 so I wish they would just focus on taking advantage of Xmas shopping. The only option of escaping major competition is January, and it really wouldnt shock me at ALL if they went with that.

Archie’s Early Oct 2010 release is looking really well timed. And the product offering is nicely developed…..

Jive AND Archie’s management has been 100% better with how they’re handling him and his release. I’ve been especially impressed with how they’re keeping his face out there and getting him good appearances even while before the CD drop.

$31 is way more $$$ than I would spend on a CD that isn’t a double album. A signed photo and a few “extras” isn’t worth another $15-20.

I don’t think they expect to sell a lot of that- these bundles sold online cost little for the label and can easily reach the hardcore fans who want them. Big fans easily spend $15-20 on silly merch at shows, so why not get some new merch before tour with your preorder? Though I remember being shocked at the bundles Jason Castro had on his site– some were hundreds of dollars!

with all this nonsense bullshit about “no timeline for a single set yet” it doesn’t sound like anybody at his label is prepared to get their hustle on like that.

That’s why I’m not holding my breath for a summer single.

He’s not a pop star so he will have to be really worked in a competitive season to make an impact before November, though he shouldn’t have a problem with HAC at all. Also, he needs to set up advance press with magazines which needs considerable lead time, book TV promo dates (those spots should be filling up soon), etc. So no, if the label doesn’t already have their eye on a song and a drop date for the album I’m not entirely optimistic they can pull a decent launch together for the fall. It could happen, but I’m not holding my breath.

I’m getting sad. Fall is gonna be crowded in more ways than one.

Technically, Cook does still have somewhat of a presence on radio. According to Idol chatter, his three singles got almost 2600 spins last week. I am very antsy for a new single, however, and definitely the new album!

Its always going to be competitive whether it be Spring or Fall, and lets face it he isnt going to debut at #1 so I wish they would just focus on taking advantage of Xmas shopping.

Sure, but you also want to set up your artist to be able to compete no matter what the season. You don’t want to just dump them out there with minimal promo – and a lead single that hasn’t has time to build properly – and expect decent christmas sales. That’s all I am saying.

I’m getting sad. Fall is gonna be crowded in more ways than one.

Oh gosh, don’t so that! I don’t mean to sound that harsh. I’m sorry. They could certainly get it together by the Fall, its just that decisions would have to be made sooner rather than later, that’s all. And it could happen! It really can! Maybe corporate will set some dates in August.

Group hug! LOL

Jive AND Archie’s management has been 100% better with how they’re handling him and his release. I’ve been especially impressed with how they’re keeping his face out there and getting him good appearances even while before the CD drop.

Archie’s done really well at staying visible I think, and they certainly have put some thought into his packaging I agree. He is a different kind of artist though going for a different market… if pop and teens are your bread and butter mainstream visibility is key IMO. I think Cookie’s situation is a bit different, since he’s much more of a commercial rock guy. Pop is only going to count for a single or 2 likely… he needs to do what it takes to capture the attention of a completely different audience. So we’ll see. Not that I think he can take 3 years between new songs or anything. LOL

Smallie: I like Cook’s writing style too and I love his lyrics and by that I mean the lyrics that are indisputably his.

And in saying that I kind of acknowlegde a contradiction. Because I am not at all sure that Cookian lyrics is what tptb are shooting for, or are what is popular in pop-rock in the US. I know that Florence and the Machine have done hugely well in the Uk and have great literate lyrics, but does that translate across? I don’t know.

And so, I’ve decided to opt out of the angst.

For my tastes, I hope to see as much Cook writing and as many authentic Cookian lyrics, as possible and that’s it. When it is released; how well it does; how many fanwars it provokes or subtle snarking it sets off is not in my control. I just hope that it has enough in it that I can like, so that I can continue to be a fan.

In one sense, I think, ‘who am I kidding?’. I hope it knocks all the crtics (professional and armchair) into oblivion. But, bottom line and minimum requirement, I just want an album that I can enjoy and that, at the very least, contains the promise of the artist yet to come: and I do think DCTR does that.

Oh – and I’d pay $31 dollars or whatever for a deluxe album/extra material. Hell, I’ve got 4 albums worth of great material for free out of Cook (only because there was no other way of getting my hands on it) so I owe him a few bucks. But I’d buy it anyway, for now, at least.

But I don’t mind when it is released.

ETA: I’ve had far too much wine tonight, so hopefully there aren’t too many typos and this makes sense/is not too rambling…E.g. I think it has taken me about 6 edits to get minimum spelt correctly twice! :lol

From Jennifer’s twitter…

Get your Friday laughs with @IAMJHUD & @TheEllenShow singing “And I Am Telling You” in the bathroom! http://youtu.be/5CRf7QpPsjE

Group hug! LOL

LOL, yes!

Speculation ahead and warning: this is me dragging Carrie into the conversation AGAIN but it’s not for no reason. When she cohosted Country Countdown USA (this aired last weekend but was taped before her wedding), Carrie mentioned this summer is busy with recording collaborations for different projects with people she loves and respects. I hope and think Randy Travis is one of them because he has an album coming out next year. I’m wondering if David Cook is another one of them because she mentioned the songs won’t come out until next year. The timing seems like it’d be right.

If you want to hear exactly what Carrie said then go to vinmansmedia.com and then go to Audio -> Radio Programs and download his cap of 7/24/10 Country Countdown USA. The part about recording collaborations comes up from 17:40 to 18:40 of the interview. She really doesn’t give anything away and in fact says it’s super secret.

If this happens and we also get the rumored Kelly-Daughtry duet then poor MJ might be in for some epic fanwars about which one’s better LOL! I hope not with the fanwars though.

But, since we really don’t know DC won’t come out in the fall, there probably isn’t anything to worry about yet.

That one RCA A&R intern (who actually likes Cook; he tweets him goofy stuff every so often and has said nice things about him), started gently mocking some of the fans who were guessing that the “batch” tweet proved things would take awhile. I know people like to drink the haterade for RCA and all its lackeys, but I can’t imagine him teasing the fans like that if they were planning on Q1. I have to think he’d be smart enough to know to say nothing, because it would be really serious.

(And yes, I do think that he’s more likely to know what’s going on than the people at AINow. Not that they don’t try to get information from good sources, but “no timeline” given to an AI blogger doesn’t mean “no plans.”)

And windmills, that scenario would amuse me to no end. DuetWars!

Update on earlier post:

I get the desire to have a new album drop in the late autumn: premium shopping time leading up to Xmas and all that.

But, I’ve never particularly worried about when a new album from a favourite singer/band will drop or how long it has been between one album and the next. Some bands record regularly; some take more time. In fact, more often than not I have no idea how long it’s been since the previous album.

Ultimately, I want a good album. If more studio/writing time and late album release (even going into next year) = better album then I’m all for it.

Good material can overcome all and any obstacle, including loss of awareness due to time between albums.

If late album release = RCA isn’t really interested/can’t be bothered, then blahhhhh to them. But I don’t think there’s anything conclusively pointing that way (beyond normal fan angst/wanking that is :lol).

If this happens and we also get the rumored Kelly-Daughtry duet then poor MJ might be in for some epic fanwars about which one’s better LOL! I hope not with the fanwars though.

LOL. That will be a great problem to have, because that would mean we have 2 epic duets to listen to! Plus it would be hilarious.

That one RCA A&R intern (who actually likes Cook; he tweets him goofy stuff every so often and has said nice things about him), started gently mocking some of the fans who were guessing that the “batch” tweet proved things would take awhile.

“no timeline” given to an AI blogger doesn’t mean “no plans.”

Okay! I am now inspired to back off the doomsday train now. LOL. I will go back to saying Fall is likely… it sounds like they may indeed be making plans for a good rollout. Thank you for talking me away from the ledge.

Good material can overcome all and any obstacle, including loss of awareness due to time between albums.

If you say so! I think I need some of your wine. Heh.

fadetowhite:

Good material can overcome all and any obstacle, including loss of awareness due to time between albums.

Yesyesyes. I don’t need to wine to agree with that!

Heh. I was wondering where the Cook angst would be in this site, and it looks like I found it. Kinda bummed about the “first batch” business and how the ETA for “the single” has been moved from “in time for S9 finale,” to “next month” (i.e., July) to maybe in time for the Busch Garden shows (August), to now where we have no timeline. I’m getting a little pissy. Someone needs to take away Cook’s golf clubs and his frequent flyer card and lock him and his band (who were totally drunk tweeting pics of themselves drinking Pabst Blue Ribbon (!) late last night) in the studio until they finish that sucker up (the album, not the PBR).

Good material can overcome all and any obstacle, including loss of awareness due to time between albums.

If you say so! I think I need some of your wine. Heh.

:lol

It’s the morning and I’m now sober (I think) bu I’m sticking to my new mantra come hell or high water!!! Until the next even slightly alarming rumour (or rumour that can be twisted in a slightly alarming way) comes out!

Someone needs to take away Cook’s golf clubs and his frequent flyer card and lock him and his band (who were totally drunk tweeting pics of themselves drinking Pabst Blue Ribbon (!) late last night) in the studio until they finish that sucker up (the album, not the PBR).

Well, they went out again last night because they felt like celebrating, so either they were happy with their progress so far, or they’ve been reading here and decided to annoy Keel some more. Lollers.