Idol Headlines for 07/21/10

Crystal Bowersox is headed to Capitol Hill tomorrow to speak on juvenile diabetes. She tweeted this morning, “going to Capital Hill tomorrow… lets do this, @JDRF!!!”

‘Idol’ tryouts await their day of judgment

For a guy without a TV, Colten Henry is surprisingly excited about getting on “American Idol.”

The 19-year-old from Iowa drove up here and has been living in his car since Monday on the fifth floor of a parking ramp across from the Bradley Center, where auditions for the reality show will be held Wednesday.

He’s got his cat, Mecho, and two friends to keep him company in the four-wheel motel. The dusty black Chevy Cavalier is loaded up with snacks, blankets, a cooler, a litter box, an extra can of gasoline and a coffeemaker that runs off the cigarette lighter.

Read more at JSOnline

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Danny Gokey is already outside the Bradley Center in Milwaukee greeting auditioners

photo: @tonylorino

American Idol hopefuls prepare for July 21st auditions

WITI-TV, MILWAUKEE – If you want to try out for American Idol there is still time to get your wristband. The doors initially opened Monday morning and haven’t closed since. Pre-registration is still taking place throughout Tuesday night.

Thousands have already signed up to perform in front of American Idol producers, but one Milwaukee girls secured her spot weeks ago. She won the American Idol experience in Disney World, so it was only fitting that she wants to perform a Disney song. Her ticket will put her at the front of the line for auditions, but countless others say they will wait as long as it takes for their moment of spotlight.

Watch the video at Fox6Now

‘Idol’ finalist Danny Gokey leads off grandstand lineup

If you think about it, there might be no better crowd pleaser at this week’s DuPage County Fair than “American Idol” finalist Danny Gokey.

Fair patrons in recent years have shown an appetite for pop acts, artists with all-ages appeal, and – of course – singers who specialize in country music. As one of the finalists in “Idol’s” eighth season, and with his new country album “My Best Days,” Gokey might prove he fits the bill perfectly during his show at 8 p.m. today in the Wheaton fairgrounds grandstand.

We caught up with Gokey last week to find out about life after “Idol,” a less glamorous summer fair experience, and what’s in store for the Wheaton audience.

Read more at the Daily Herald

Jennifer Hudson Gets Serious for Winnie

Looks like Jennifer Hudson, who scored a best supporting actress Oscar for 2006’s “Dreamgirls,” is tackling another ambitious part.

The songstress-turned-actress is currently before the cameras in South Africa filming “Winnie,” playing Winnie Madikizela-Mandela opposite Terrence Howard’s Nelson Mandela. Though Madikizela-Mandela fought for years to win her husband’s release from prison, the couple divorced in 1996, which might be worth a reprise or two of Hudson’s “Dreamgirls” anthem, “And I Am Telling You I’m Not Going.”

Side by side comparison via JhudDaily

Read more at the Hollywood Reporter

Clay Aiken talks about returning to Asheville

Friday at the Biltmore Estate, you’ll be seeing Clay Aiken and Ruben Studdard. But you should be thinking Sonny & Cher.

“We both love ’70s variety shows,” Aiken said in a brief three-way telephone call on Tuesday. “We’re an entity this summer: Ruben and Clay.”

“I notice you put my name first,” Studdard said with a laugh.

Friday is the kickoff for a three-week, 17-show coast-to-coast road trip that reunites the two top finishers from the second season of “American Idol.” In case you’ve forgotten, Ruben won, but Clay sold more records.

Read more at Citizen-Times.com

American Idol Live Tour 2010

Interviews with Crystal Bowersox, Katie Stevens, Tim Urban, Casey James, Didi Benami, and Aaron Kelly

Crystal Bowersox

What’s the best part of the tour so far?
All of it really. The opportunity. The platform. To do what you love. It gives you an instant fan base. Getting to meet the fans. Playing venues I wouldn’t be able to play.

Oh, and the catering. The tour catering is amazing.

What are you most looking forward to?
My hometown.

Read more at TheResident.com

‘American Idol’ Kellie Pickler, country singer Chris Young cancel shows

CENTREVILLE — Country singers Kellie Pickler and Chris Young have canceled their concerts at the St. Joseph County Grange Fair, which runs Sept. 19-15 in Centreville.

Pickler was to perform Sept. 25 and Young was slated to open for George Jones Sept. 23. The Jones concert is still on and fair organizers are looking for a replacement act for Young. Organizers have not determined what they will do with Pickler’s slot.

Kellie canceled due to a scheduling conflict with the Rascal Flatts tour. She and Young are both openers for the band’s current tour.

Read the statement from fair organizers at MLive

Clay Aiken answers fan questions

Clay Aiken, in Atlanta to tape some pledge drops for Georgia Public Broadcasting Tuesday, gave me a few minutes to talk about his career and answer some fan questions.

Aiken, who came out with an album of standards in June called “Tried and True,” is also prepping for his one-month concert tour with Ruben Studdard that kicks off in Asheville, N.C. Friday. He said the two will be on stage the entire time and do a “Sonny and Cher” type variety show. He didn’t want to reveal what he was going to sing but it’d be fair to say he’ll definitely do a few from his most recent album.

Part 1

Part 2

Read more at the Atlanta Journal Constitution

Jordin Sparks – Ad for The Heights

The 20-year-old “Battlefield” beauty joins the cast this August as Nina Rosario, just two days after Corbin Bleu departs from the Broadway cast.

Jordin will play a limited 12 week engagement as Nina, starting on August 19th through Sunday, November 14, 2010.

Jordin recently moved into her new digs in NYC to begin rehearsals. It’s the first time she’s ever lived on her own.

Just Jared Jr.

  • Jx223

    Here is a pic of Danny with some of the crowd at the Milwaukee auditions today.

    http://tweetphoto.com/33997156

    Here is another pic of him, that looks like he’s talking to a news station.

    http://yfrog.com/5z80815122j

    Maybe some more pics of him and possibly Matt will show up from the auditions today. It would be nice if they met up at the auditions together.

  • koshka

    My favorite quote of the day…

    Her friend, Kristy Statema, also is trying out. I asked if she had overcome a dreaded disease or perhaps worked at a paint store like last season’s winner, Lee DeWyze.

    “I did sprain my ankle once,” she said.

    LOL

    ETA: Also.. cat guy isn’t too smart. She spent all his money to get to the audition AND revealed his secret lodging location. I’m sure security will be rapping on his windows nice and early to vacate him. LOL

  • 10DogMom

    I wonder if the airlines lost Danny’s luggage again – seems like I see him in that same shirt each picture (concert, AI line, whatever).

  • http://www.twilightslo.com Mateja

    BBC: What is a £1m record deal?

    2007 X Factor winner Leon Jackson was dropped by Syco Music in March 2009 despite winner’s single When You Believe reportedly selling close to 500,000 copies and album Right Now reaching number four.

    As an X Factor contestant, he says he “never really knew what to expect” from the dangled carrot of “a £1m record deal”.

    “I did hear through the grapevine that it was just a phrase coined, that that’s what the labels described the record deal as.”

  • koshka

    Mateja –

    that was kinda interesting.

    Ms Harrison says another misconception is that the “advance” – the money paid up front to the artist – must be paid back by singers and bands if their career fails to take off.

    “If the record company get it wrong and it just doesn’t sell for whatever reason, they pick up the slack on it – it’s their risk.

  • http://www.twilightslo.com Mateja

    Yeah. I think it’s similar for AI contestants.

  • csprof

    From twitter, it appears that “Manny” are together at the AI auditions, and are making the interview rounds on Fox news and various radio stations. I’m sure at least the Fox interview will be released.

    I think having popular veteran Idols that are (sort of) locals is a smart way to build excitement for the next season. I wonder if any of these appearances (also Melinda and Felicia from Nashville) will show up briefly on the TV footage next season?

  • Jx223

    Here’s a video clip of Good Day WI from today where Danny talks about the Milwaukee auditions.

    http://www.fox11online.com/subindex/good_day_wi

  • Jx223

    From twitter, it appears that “Manny” are together at the AI auditions, and are making the interview rounds on Fox news and various radio stations. I’m sure at least the Fox interview will be released.

    I am glad to see that they met up together. I had some tweets where people had said that Matt and Danny were right in front of them. I like the idea of former contestants going to the auditions and interviewing people that are auditioning.

    Some of the former contestants can give advice/support to some of the new ones. I had seen some people from the auditions today say that they were singing with Danny. Someone had said that the crowd was singing with Danny. Stuff like that’s cool and fun for Idol.

  • jpfan

    Thanks for posting the BBC article about what a million pound deal means. Really, really interesting.

    The most amazing part of the article is the huge % of money that is spent on promotion. I don’t even understand what the money goes for in the UK because they have so few radio stations Assuming that it’s true in the US as well, can anyone explain what the money is spent on?

    It ain’t videos because they their own category. Does it pay for things like getting a video the Gung Ho rotation on VH1? Because I always wonder what the true details behind deals like that are. I think even performance slots on high profile shows are paid for on occassion. I know for sure JayZ paid MTV $250,000 for the closing slot on last year’s MTV awards. In the middle of the Kanye debacle, those details were revealed.

    It’s quite a confusing topic because obviously the shows want the hot artists like Gaga, Bieber, Eminem. They certainly don’t charge them to appear but I think when it comes to “new” artists it may be different.

    My only other caveat is that while artists don’t repay advances, they sometimes are stuck in recoupment. Which as far as I know means they have to do additional album(s) for basically no money. I’m pretty sure Katharine McPhee’s Christmas album is being done because her regular album flopped. I think this way the label has a chance to get back some of the money they spent on the artist.

  • Kirsten

    Ms Harrison says another misconception is that the “advance” – the money paid up front to the artist – must be paid back by singers and bands if their career fails to take off.

    “If the record company get it wrong and it just doesn’t sell for whatever reason, they pick up the slack on it – it’s their risk.

    Yep. That’s how it works. The advance is subject to recoupment. So, the label will not pay out any royalties to the artist until the advance (and other recoupable items) has been paid back. But, if the artist never sells enough to pay back all the advance, they don’t have to get a job at MacDonald’s to pay them back. The record company just loses that money.

    One little trick the labels have in their back pocket is that they actually keep some money in reserve. Even after the artist has paid back all recoupment items, the label will still keep some of the royalty money in case their next album tanks.

    Here is a bit of a primer on this subject from How Stuff Work

  • jpfan

    In a way, it works to the artists’ advantage to be a flop. Then they keep the advance and don’t have to give their royalties to the label. ;)

  • BootStar

    That was a great article, Mateja. Thanks for posting it!

    Maybe it’s just me, but a $1 million or (£1m) deal just doesn’t sound like very much to me. It was a lot back in the seventies, but today, when the cost of a suburban home in the northeast routinely ranges from a quarter- to half-million dollars, it just sounds like pocket change for a recording artist.

    It would be nice if Idol and X-Factor stated very clearly what the “prize” is the contestants are competing for. I honestly have no idea what the “winner” and “runner up” receive. I know Idol and X-Factor are not “game shows” per se, but come on. I know more about the earnings of this week’s Jeopardy and Wheel of Fortune winners than I do about people I’m being asked to vote for each week. It’s no wonder a lot of people think the whole thing is rigged.

  • koshka

    jpfan:
    07/21/2010 at 9:27 am
    In a way, it works to the artists’ advantage to be a flop. Then they keep the advance and don’t have to give their royalties to the label.

    Probably only good if you win a reality show. I don’t think the also rans are guaranteed such a nice advance. But I get the humor. :)

  • sma11ie

    Ms Harrison says another misconception is that the “advance” – the money paid up front to the artist – must be paid back by singers and bands if their career fails to take off.

    “If the record company get it wrong and it just doesn’t sell for whatever reason, they pick up the slack on it – it’s their risk.

    That’s how all record label advances work, not just reality show record deals. As jpfan and Kirsten said, artists are subject to recoupment.

    In a way, it works to the artists’ advantage to be a flop. Then they keep the advance and don’t have to give their royalties to the label.

    Problem is, usually the artist spends much of the advance before the record is even released, and if the record flops, he/she gets no more money, it’s been a year or more since his/her last pay check, and is subsequently dropped… though I know, cry me a river, they already got a 6-figure sum upfront. Though, from what I hear, deals being struck these days (not the AI ones) with undiscovered artists involve very tiny advances, barely enough for the artist to live on while recording the album…

  • sass

    Need to Know the Music Business
    http://www.theroot.com/views/how-mu…e?page=0,1

    Songwriter/publisher: If an artist doesn’t write his or her own music, someone else has to. And someone who writes a song must first go through a music publisher, whose job it is to place that song with a recording artist who will agree to perform it. If an artist buys the song, the writer and publisher then receive 9.1 cents for every copy of the song sold, a sum they must then split.

    Info from Don Passman, author of http://www.donpassman.com/allabout.html“>All You Need to Know About the Music Business.

    View link to see pie chart

  • koshka

    but today, when the cost of a suburban home in the northeast routinely ranges from a quarter- to half-million dollars, it just sounds like pocket change for a recording artist.

    LOL I need to live wherever you’re talking about. Our little, tiny 40 year old, 3 bedroom house in the burbs would resale at 500K if we sold it today. Thankfully we bought a decade ago… needless to say we will never be moving. LOL Maybe thats why you hear about artists buying homes in the middle of nowhere… not to get away from their fans, but so that they can afford a big spread.

  • BootStar

    I hear you, koshka. But think about it:

    A “million dollar record deal” back in the seventies, when somebody would have paid $35k or $40k for a home in my neighborhood, is still being touted as a “big deal” (figuratively and literally). A person now has to pay 10 to 15 TIMES that to buy the same (albeit updated) house. Yet, the labels still brag about their “million dollar deals.”

    Now if Idol offered a $10 million deal, I might be impressed. But not a million. It’s just not that much money anymore (unfortunately!).

  • jpfan

    Nobody knows how much the label spends on these albums. It’s pretty obvious that some cost a hell of alot more to produce than others. For example, hot producers, hot songwriters= bigger budget. If the artist writes his own songs, uses less hot producer=pretty cheap to produce.

    From my experience, I’d say FYE and Katharine McPhee’s album were costly affairs because they used the hottest songwriters/producers around. I also think Jive put alot of money into Allison’s album. Ditto for Leona Lewis’ first album.

    I’m totally guessing here obviously because I don’t know how the songwriters/producers get paid. I’m assuming the hot ones get a big check up front no matter how well the track does eventually. But again maybe all they get are royalties if it’s a hit.

  • mmb

    It would be nice if Idol and X-Factor stated very clearly what the “prize” is the contestants are competing for

    I always understood that the Idol prize is a recording contract (and there are certain other perks that come with being “the american idol”) and the title of american idol winner. If you win, you get a record deal no matter what — it is guaranteed. If you don’t win, you are not guaranteed a record deal (not that it matters, since the runners up always get one anyway)

  • tinawina

    I’m totally guessing here obviously because I don’t know how the songwriters/producers get paid. I’m assuming the hot ones get a big check up front no matter how well the track does eventually. But again maybe all they get are royalties if it’s a hit.

    Either way it’s expensive. Hot songwriters will sometimes get something up front, but even when they don’t, they often negotiate points – like getting a 1-2% sales royalty – and it almost always comes out of the artist’s share.

  • blueskies

    Hi Smeggingnuts, please post the vid “Sleepwalker At Blick in Switzerland” again. I watched it before but now I can’t find it anymore. Thank you.

    Also, I found a vid that you guys might enjoy. It’s a fan-made vid of “Sleepwalker”. It’s really nice and you should watch it!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ha2T6C7Yz3w&feature=related

  • jpfan

    Any guesses what Pink and Gaga got for their songs on FYE? It’s possible they’re so rich they do things for reasons other than money . ;) Pink has made a nice sum on WWFM becoming a hit though.

  • tinawina

    Kirsten, thanks for this at that link:

    It is not uncommon — in fact, it is more the norm — for record companies to negotiate a deal to pay only 75% of the statutory rate, particularly when the writer is also the recording artist. (See the “Controlled Composition Clause” below.)

    For the life of me I couldn’t remember what it was… I just knew that record companies had come up with a way to cut into songwriting royalties for artists they sign who are also write a while back… and that’s it! Its the controlled competition clause. Whew. Now I know I’m not crazy. LOL

    Labels do that and they sometimes strongly encourage them to sign to publishing deals with their publishing arms, so they get a cut that way too. The publishing company is technically a seperate entity, but its often all controlled by the same conglomerate.

    The music industry sucks.

  • tripp_ncwy

    Still no official date has been stated on when they are going to resume shooting Kris’ music video. As others have said on other threads, Kris won’t have another day off this month until 7/29 – 7/30.

    @pboutte
    A date has been set in motion KA fans. Dust yourself off and try again. Again, again….

  • koshka

    but today, when the cost of a suburban home in the northeast routinely ranges from a quarter- to half-million dollars, it just sounds like pocket change for a recording artist.

    Oh no.. I completely agree 1M is really nothing today, especially if you think about costs.

  • JudyL

    Lots of interesting stuff today about the music industry but I must admit lots of it is way over my head. So, is touring the most profitable thing, maybe even the only profitable thing, a artist can do? Or are there leeches waiting to get their hands on that money, too?

  • Kirsten

    Carrie is #1 on the Country mediabase chart! Congratulations!!! Question is whether she’ll stay there for the official published chart. Song at #2 is dropping, but songs at #3-#5 are all gaining rapidly

    I think that she can hold it. There is only 4 days left in this chart week and at the rate they are climbing, it will take about twice that for them catch Carrie.

    I think she’s done it again.

    I’m totally guessing here obviously because I don’t know how the songwriters/producers get paid. I’m assuming the hot ones get a big check up front no matter how well the track does eventually. But again maybe all they get are royalties if it’s a hit.

    That’s exactly what happens in most cases. Hot writers and producers are not only generating songs people want to hear, but increase your chances of getting played on radio. The program director may not know who the singer is, but they are more likely to give a chance to a song related to a known hit maker. So, the hot writers and producers have a lot of cache to cash in on.

    If artists aren’t careful, they end up in a bind. The producer’s royalties are paid out of their royalties. If the artist is still under recoupment (i.e. isn’t getting any royalties because they are going straight to the label) they still have to pay the producer’s royalties. So, they aren’t making any money and every unit sold means money out of their pocket. A good lawyer will make sure that the producer’s royalties are paid by the label and just added to the recoupment costs.

    There are so many traps out there. A newbie really needs to consult a good lawyer because the labels know all the tricks.

  • girlygirl

    tripp_ncwy

    Cindy Vela tweeted that she has been told a date for the shoot and that it is definitely before the end of the month. Kris has the 26th off as well as the 29th & 30th — so one of those days, I guess.

    Also, supposedly someone saw him at Paramount Studios yesterday??? Why he was there no one seems to know

  • Kirsten

    So, is touring the most profitable thing, maybe even the only profitable thing, a artist can do? Or are there leeches waiting to get their hands on that money, too?

    Still profitable, but the leeches are there too. With 360 deals, the labels are cutting into the touring revenue (they argue the person wouldn’t be touring if it wasn’t for the albums the labels promote). Then there are the promoters and managers that need paying. Plus all the costs of roadies, buses, venues, etc.

    I wish I’d kept a link to a blog the BNL’s did a few years back. It detailed all the costs of doing a mid-sized tour and the costs are amazing.

    Still, something must be working in the music biz. You keep hearing about how artists make no money, but they still seem to be wearing some pretty expensive clothes and taking some pretty expensive vacations. Maybe it’s all on credit.

  • koshka

    JudyL:
    07/21/2010 at 10:52 am
    Lots of interesting stuff today about the music industry but I must admit lots of it is way over my head. So, is touring the most profitable thing, maybe even the only profitable thing, a artist can do? Or are there leeches waiting to get their hands on that money, too?

    JudyL let me introduce you to “Live Nation”, “Live Nation” this is JudyL. LOL

    Sorry for the *snark*. I just learned that these companies that do the tour bookings and promo have their hands out pretty far too. Learned this from articles I’ve read in the past week about out of bound expectations by the promo companies and the artists.

    I don’t know how much they make off the artist, but it sounds like a healthy amount.

  • alaadam

    IIHY is out in Japan.

    adamlambertJP hey @adamlambert ! Ur IIHY video was released on iTunes Japan 2day & is #1 thanx 2 all the supportive fans!! http://tweetphoto.com/34017465

  • tinawina

    Still, something must be working in the music biz. You keep hearing about how artists make no money, but they still seem to be wearing some pretty expensive clothes and taking some pretty expensive vacations. Maybe it’s all on credit.

    The designers give them those clothes gratis. It’s free advertising for them. ;)

    Seriously. I will never be mad at people for going on Idol. Never. They get better deals than most newbies. Even with greedy ass 19 taking a big cut, these kids make out pretty good. I wouldn’t care if anyone called me a sellout either if I were them.

  • jpfan

    I think artists that write their own songs do very well. The get paid everytime radio plays their songs. The ones who don’t write their own material are more open to getting screwed, ripped off.

  • Teri63

    Woohoo! Adam ranked #1 Ladies’ Choice at AfterElton:

    http://www.afterelton.com/people/2010/ladies-choice-hot-50-results

  • aa618892

    Yeah! Adam is #1 on AfterElton’s Ladies choice Hot 50!

    http://www.afterelton.com/people/2010/ladies-choice-hot-50-results

  • aa618892

    Clay Aiken is on the Top 50 too!

  • tinawina

    I think artists that write their own songs do very well. The get paid everytime radio plays their songs.

    Yep. This is why Beyonce and Madonna like to “write” *cough* their biggest hits. LOL

    Anyway, no more album leaks from Crystal and Lee? What is going on? People need to get on the ball spilling some deets. :(

  • alaadam

    NVM already up! Glad to see the women readers chose Adam!

  • sma11ie

    The publishing company is technically a seperate entity, but its often all controlled by the same conglomerate.

    I’m still trying to figure out what the BMI acquisition of Cherry Lane means. Anyone?

    So, is touring the most profitable thing, maybe even the only profitable thing, a artist can do? Or are there leeches waiting to get their hands on that money, too?

    JudyL let me introduce you to “Live Nation”, “Live Nation” this is JudyL. LOL

    Darn! koshka beat me to it. Yes, even without a 360 deal, that leech is called Live Nation. Just google that BBC article on Imogen Heap losing money on her North American tour.

  • sr4mjc

    I’m so thankful that Live Nation or TicketBastard didn’t sell the Glam Nation Melbourne concert and the venue itself sold it on their website. I was able to get Row C on presale, only an $8 service fee. Didn’t have to resort to stub hub for good seats.

  • jpfan

    I think Madonna is kind of famous for “writing” her own songs. ;)
    What a business.

  • tinawina

    I’m still trying to figure out what the BMI acquisition of Cherry Lane means. Anyone?

    I don’t know. Is there an article? Did they say what they plan to do with it?

  • koshka

    sma11ie – looked up the article.. oh geez. It really is a worse situation than I thought.

  • sma11ie

    I don’t know. Is there an article? Did they say what they plan to do with it?

    Sorry, I meant BMG. Found this article, but can’t say I understand it. I guess it all goes back to Sony now? Trying to figure it out: seems, originally David signed with a separate publishing company (Cherry Lane was independent), but now, effectively his publishing back under the big Sony/BMG umbrella? Why do all these acquisitions make me think of Madmen? Anyone =P?

    Article:
    http://www.billboard.biz/bbbiz/content_display/industry/e3if745772b249372ddd9fe0d9537c93466
    Too many entities’ names. Not sure what they all are…

    BMG Rights Management was launched October 2008 by Hartwig Masuch, former BMG Music Publishing Germany CEO, shortly after Bertelsmann sold its 50% stake in the Sony BMG joint venture to Sony. Universal Music Group agreed to acquire BMG Music Publishing in 2006, which enabled Bertelsmann to clear debt.

  • http://www.planetfierce.proboards.com/ CindyM

    ARe you guys implying that Madonna doesn’t write the songs that are credited to her?? Was there some news story about this or is this more speculation?

  • http://myspace.com/girlgeek mj

    Reminder:

    PLEASE do not post more than three paragraphs from an article. A description and a link would be even better.

  • tinawina

    Found this article, but can’t say I understand it. I guess it all goes back to Sony now?

    Wow, that was convoluted. It looks like Cherry Lane is going to stay with the same staff (mostly) which is why they agreed to sell to BMG. Perhaps they wanted the cash so they could expand? The original owner is still involved and has a stake in the company, so perhaps they are keeping the same boutiquey hands-on approach they were known for. I hope. That’s why their supposed to be good, because they keep things personal and they are good at placing songs in TV, movies, etc. It doesn’t look like they are absorbing into BMG in the day to day managing of their clients. But BMG still gets a cut of the profits.

    ARe you guys implying that Madonna doesn’t write the songs that are credited to her?? Was there some news story about this or is this more speculation?

    I have no idea why this post made me laugh so hard, but it did. LOL. Anyway, no we are not making it up out of thin air or anything, that’s been said about her for years and years. I’m sure a quick trip around Google will uncover an article or 2. Its actually a common practice with big stars who don’t write.

  • larc

    Still no official date has been stated on when they are going to resume shooting Kris’ music video. As others have said on other threads, Kris won’t have another day off this month until 7/29 – 7/30.

    I still don’t understand why there doesn’t seem to be any sense of urgency about this. The MV for TT should have already been released by now. There is a too late for things like this.

  • http://myspace.com/girlgeek mj

    Reminder:

    Also, moved all the sales numbers and responses to the sales thread. Thanks.

  • Kirsten

    Its actually a common practice with big stars who don’t write.

    Yep. The songwriters allow it because having a big hit means money in their pockets and better ability to sell their other songs. In the case of big name singing artists, the singer holds all the cards and can get what they want.

    Typically, songwriters will submit their songs for consideration and the artist might brush up a word or a note here or there and get the credit.

    Remember last year, Matt Kearney was pretty open about it? He said that usually, when labels ask him to write a song with somebody, it just means that they come and watch him write the song and then they get the writer’s credit. He was surprised that Kris actually wanted to write and did a good job of it.

    Here is his direct quote on the subject: “Someone wants to ‘write’ a song with you, you’re like, ‘Great, you want to come over and I’ll write a song so you can be co-writer.’ (source: VH1 article)

  • Indigobunting

    I wonder if the airlines lost Danny’s luggage again – seems like I see him in that same shirt each picture (concert, AI line, whatever).

    Lol! So many guys love the plaid shirt look. He has a ton of them, embroidered, plain, etc. Gotta admit I love the tight tshirt look more myself. Noticed Matt was wearing a plaid shirt too! Think they planned their wardrobe together?! ;)

  • aa618892

    I still don’t understand why there doesn’t seem to be any sense of urgency about this. The MV for TT should have already been released by now. There is a too late for things like this.

    This delay seems so weird. Could it be they have decided against the video and decided to move on to a new single? I know this has been discussed but you would think they would have announced a new shoot date. There was so much excitement about the shoot and this is very strange.

  • jpfan

    Here’s an article from The Hollywood Reporter about Madonna, Glee and who “writes” her songs:

    http://buzz.hollywoodreporter.com/2009/10/22/glee-madonna-patrick-leonard-steven-bray-william-orbit/

  • http://www.planetfierce.proboards.com/ CindyM

    Jsut got a tweet from Ticketmaster. For those wanting to see Kris or the Idols live, Ticketmaster just announced some more $10 ticket deals…

    Sun, 07/25/10
    07:30 PM Barenaked Ladies (Kris is opening)
    Dodge Theatre – Phoenix

    Thu, 08/19/10
    07:30 PM Maroon 5 (Kris is opening)
    Bayfront Park Amphitheater – Miami

    Also a lot of American Idols Live dates.

    $10 Deals

  • http://www.planetfierce.proboards.com/ CindyM

    Whatever happened to that Mat Kearney/Kris song?? Wonder if it will ever see the light of day. He travelled to meet him at some cabin, right?

  • girlygirl

    From all acoounts, they are going forward with the video shoot for The Truth. Evidently the original director had some sort of schedule conflict and the rumor is that it will now be the DP from the LLWD video (Aaron Platt) who will be directing this one. So perhaps the switch in directors is the reason for the delay. Or it could be they are simply working around Kris’s jam packed schedule.

    I agree the video should have been shot and released already. But Jive is likely just looking at the Hot AC charts and doesn’t care if the song is losing spins on Pop. As long as TT remains steady on the Hot AC chart until the video gets shot and released, they’re probably not worried

  • girlygirl

    CindyM

    Kris has been asked about that song, but all he ever says is that something will likely happen with it down the road. maybe they’ll stick it on the 2nd album?

  • sma11ie

    Here’s an article from The Hollywood Reporter about Madonna, Glee and who “writes” her songs:

    http://buzz.hollywoodreporter.com/2009/10/22/glee-madonna-patrick-leonard-steven-bray-william-orbit/

    LOL… did anyone check out the comments under that article? Madonna has her share of BSC fans– the Idols are in famous company I guess…?

    Kris has been asked about that song, but all he ever says is that something will likely happen with it down the road. maybe they’ll stick it on the 2nd album?

    Or it may just be on the list of songs that will never see the light of day. David Cook and Ed Roland talked about a song that they wrote for his first album, and it never made the album. Fans eventually found a 30 second snippet of it on Cherry Lane’s site, but that’s about it. I don’t think it’s in contention for album 2.

  • Eileen99

    I’m anxious for music video for TT also, but I don’t interpret the delay as anything more than scheduling issues. TT has had some of its best updates ever this week on HAC, and with so many songs poised to be going recurrent over the next couple of weeks, it seems in a good place right now. Switching to another single now wouldn’t make any sense. Jive has said they view Kris as primarily an HAC artist and with the slow pace at which that format moves, along with LLWD’s longevity on the charts, they may not feel TT is anywhere near peaking (which I agree with). I don’t think Pop is their main focus with this particular song even though it could still pick momentum back up on that format once it climbs higher on the HAC chart and the video is out.

  • http://www.planetfierce.proboards.com/ CindyM

    They should have shot the video for The Truth much earlier. Kris had some free time in late June didn’t he?? He was fishing or something for a couple of days I remember. Jive should have just scheduled it for then, I’m sure that Kris would have been accomodating, he’s a really hard worker. Jive sometimes seems so behind. I agree though, they will finish the video and it will help the song on HAC.

  • Kirsten

    Kris had some free time in late June didn’t he?? He was fishing or something for a couple of days I remember. Jive should have just scheduled it for then, I’m sure that Kris would have been accomodating, he’s a really hard worker.

    It’s more complicated than that. The artist isn’t the only talent involved in making a video. The director has to be available and all the sets, cameras, extras, etc have to be gathered. Plus, who knows if they even had a concept then?

    Jive sometimes seems so behind.

    Well, they certainly aren’t moving quickly with anything related to “The Truth”.

    I agree though, they will finish the video and it will help the song on HAC.

    I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again: videos rarely help the song on radio. If they generate a lot of buzz, they will help with sales. Just because IIHU was an exception to this general rule doesn’t mean one should it expect it for all videos. People shouldn’t go holding their breath for this video. It’s a nice to have and hopefully it will help some what.

  • tripp_ncwy

    Cindy Vela tweeted that she has been told a date for the shoot and that it is definitely before the end of the month. Kris has the 26th off as well as the 29th & 30th — so one of those days, I guess.

    Also, supposedly someone saw him at Paramount Studios yesterday??? Why he was there no one seems to know

    They may have decided to move the shoot indoors rather than the desert and Kris was able to get some of his work done undercover using the blue screen. :-)

    The following lyrics come to mind;
    “while the floors underneath our feet are crumbling
    The walls we built together tumblin’
    I still stand here holdin’ up the roof”

  • alaadam

    They should have shot the video for The Truth much earlier

    I think someone on twitter yesterday said it has been 70+ days since the song came out and it will probably take another 30 days to get the video out. 100 days post the song coming out does not appear to be good planning.

  • BootStar

    Those brief interviews with six of the Top 10 in that Connecticut paper The Reader were pretty interesting. I especially liked that she asked each of them how they handled stage fright since there has been a lot of discussion about how ill-prepared many of them were for the big stage.

    I thought this quote from Casey, in particular, was relevant since there has been a lot of speculation about whether or not he took the competition seriously each week:

    So you don’t get stage fright at all?

    I never have. I thought of it as a normal thing. This is what I’m supposed to be doing. It’s time to do what I do. The first time I performed it was for 6,000 people.

    So if you don’t get stage fright, how did you feel singing on Idol without your guitar?

    It was nerve-racking. It’s like asking a painter to paint without a brush. That was a bad thing for me. I’ve never done that – sing without my guitar. It was the first time. And I don’t like having firsts on national television.

    One can draw his own conclusions, but I don’t think he intentionally under-performed even if he bombed that week.

  • tripp_ncwy

    nvm

  • girlygirl

    It took 17 days after Kris shot the video for LLWD for it to be released. So I would epect the video for The Truth to be released somewhere round 2 weeks after they shoot it.

    Meanwhile, it’s back on tour for Kris (who may have some new clothes for touring, as someone tweeted they him in Urban Outfitters yesterday)

    krisallen
    #Back on the bus! It’s good to see you again @ETMills. 8 minutes ago via Echofon

  • Mtlfan

    Kris has been asked about that song, but all he ever says is that something will likely happen with it down the road. maybe they’ll stick it on the 2nd album?

    yesterday I was listening to the mtv interview when his album came out and talking about this song “top of te world”, it seems it didn’t make the cut because it’s an acoustic song.

  • Mtlfan

    Meanwhile, it’s back on tour for Kris (who may have some new clothes for touring, as someone tweeted they him in Urban Outfitters yesterday)

    a guy twitted yesterday that he was in the store when Kris was shopping. Some people asked if he was buying other plaid shirts :)

    eta: girlygirl, maybe he was in the Paramount studio yesterday to shoot some scenes of the mv?

  • Joyed

    Bootstar, I was one of those people who ragged on Casey during the show but am fine with him now.

    The reason for this is because I do think he is talented, especially when he is in his element. I will definitely look forward to him hopefully getting signed and putting out music.

    BUT – on the show he, and others, made a lot of lazy song choices. He only had to play without his guitar once, but he picked out a lot of meh songs even when he had his guitar. (He had only 2 good song choices this season, IMO, and I did appreciate them :))

    To your point about the rest of the article, I do agree that even for seasoned musicians it can be daunting to play on the Idol stage. I can’t even imagine how hard it is to want to focus on your music and have to deal with all the crazy TV and Idol things.

    I wonder if they really throw them to the wolves when the show goes live, or whether they have any sort of TV boot camp besides attending dress rehearsal.

  • sma11ie

    It took 17 days after Kris shot the video for LLWD for it to be released.

    That actually sounds like a pretty quick turnaround. I think CBTM took a month, but that was probably because they had to do the whole backwards editing thing.

    Wait, just confirmed on DCO (that place is info-central)– Light On took about 2.5 weeks. So I think your schedule of video release ~2 weeks from the shoot sounds about right.

  • penzap

    Intern Adam
    Adam Lambert fans just aren’t crashin my site yet…DO IT or I have to get Kris Allen fans! http://is.gd/dAAoz FREE VEGAS TRIP!!! 9 minutes ago via UberTwitter

  • alaadam

    For Jive Video stats (per IDF):
    Jordin Sparks – Tattoo……………….Release: September 25, 2007…..Video: November 1, 2007…..Days: 38
    David Cook – Light On……………….Release: September 30, 2008…..Video: November 3, 2008…..Days: 35
    Kris Allen – Live Like We’re Dying…Release: September 21, 2009…..Video: November 6, 2009….Days: 47
    Jordin Sparks – No Air………………..Release: February 11, 2008……..Video: February 25, 2008….Days: 14
    David Cook – Come Back to Me……Release: March 23, 2009………….Video: April 1, 2009…………Days: 10
    Kris Allen – The Truth…………………Release: May 11, 2010…………….Video: T_T………………………Days: 71 and counting”

    Jive still really behind on Kris.

  • Eileen99

    Eh, I don’t know that the length of time matters so much or what it proves, exactly. Kris has been in the midst of touring so it’s kind of hard to compare it to the release of his first single, when he wasn’t busy with concerts all over the country or other videos made when artists weren’t touring. The video will come out when it comes out, and will hopefully give sales a boost like videos generally do.

  • cookcricket

    Why do people think David Cook is w/ Jive? Just wondering.

    And yes, Jive is getting this vid out very late, we’ll see what the results are.

  • BootStar

    Linda Holmes (aka Miss Alli) on what Simon’s eventual replacement stands to gain (and lose):

    Dear Donald Trump And Other Theoretical Successors To Simon Cowell

    And I LOVE that she gives a cryptic shout-out to the “Knoll”!

    (It should be noted that the Trump-ian flair for making absolutely no sense would be particularly reviled in this setting. If there’s anything Apprentice viewers know about Donald Trump, it’s that he would rather be loud than cogent. One week, you get fired for not sticking up for yourself; the next week, somebody else gets fired for being too aggressive. He takes “arbitrary and capricious” to new heights, and that would get you killed on a show where second-guessing the judges and trying to locate the show-wide conspiracy fans are sure exists is a cottage industry.)

  • Incipit

    Why do people think David Cook is w/ Jive? Just wondering

    Cookcricket, I wondered too what David Cook was doing in the middle of the Jive Video stats, since he’s with RCA, so his timeline doesn’t even relate. I guess it’s IDF that’s confused? They ought to have pulled David Archuleta’s stats…for whatever they are trying to illustrate with Jive Video Stats. *shrugs*

  • majal1

    Eh, I don’t know that the length of time matters so much or what it proves, exactly. Kris has been in the midst of touring so it’s kind of hard to compare it to the release of his first single, when he wasn’t busy with concerts all over the country or other videos made when artists weren’t touring. The video will come out when it comes out, and will hopefully give sales a boost like videos generally do

    .
    Eileen99: That is exactly the point! Kris IS touring and he lost an opportunity to CONNECT with his audience in the absence of the Video. There is a lot of people watching MTV plus attending the concert and eventually, will becomes Kris fans. This is the time of Kris life that PROMOTION is critical.
    I am doubtful that JIVE and his handler are doing some strategic planning for Kris’s future. It feels like they are doing a lousy job of promoting Kris. Does JIVE wants Kris to fail? I hate to name names, but look at Adam Lambert, his video is out, he tours in Europe, IIHY is winning spin on the radio, Kris is losing spin!!!

    I used to listen to Star 94 out of Atlanta because they are playing TT, but lately, you cant even hear it. KBIG 104.3 here in Los Angeles is still not playing TT. I dont know about Z100, I have not investigated. Does anyone know if the NY radio started to pay TT?

  • ggdoorsfan

    MUSIC REVIEWS
    Something ‘Bout Love
    Monica Herrera, July 24, 2010 12:00 ET

    David Archuleta recently told Billboard that his next album would contain more “lively grooves” than his 2008 debut, and the lead single from the record, “Something ‘Bout Love,” delivers on the 19-year-old’s promise. Blippy synths (surely inspired by Owl City and its forebears) set the stage for a surge in tempo, and Archuleta’s sweetly naïve tenor is now awash in power-pop production and even some obvious vocal effects. The result is double-edged. Fans who followed his “American Idol” journey might miss his unadulterated tone that was best showcased by ballads, but there’s no question that “Something” is a more radio-friendly vehicle for the 2008 runner-up to grow his base. The sophomore album is the true test of any “Idol” graduate’s ability to fulfill his or her potential, and Archuleta’s latest shows he’s up to the task.

    http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/hr/music-reviews/something-bout-love-1004104710.story

  • tinawina

    Awesome ggdoors! My favorite part is this:

    The sophomore album is the true test of any “Idol” graduate’s ability to fulfill his or her potential, and Archuleta’s latest shows he’s up to the task.

    Go Archie!!!

    Album number 2 is crunch time for these guys. He’s coming out swinging!

  • ggdoorsfan

    tinawina:
    07/21/2010 at 5:07 pm

    from our lips and keyboards to god’s ears tinawina, lol… i just want to see him do well. in the meantime, it’s an exercise in staying focused, keeping expectations managed and in check – while hurrying up and waiting for the process to unfold…

  • sma11ie

    So, there’ve been no studio updates from David Cook’s twitter in several days. Astute fans speculated he was on a break visiting his family in Indiana (where his niece and nephew and dad live) since there was a tweeted sighting of him from an Indiana fan. He also tweeted a hilarious childhood art project that he might’ve dug up recently at a parent’s home. Turns out fans were right! He just tweeted that he’s back in LA from a family visit! CreepyNice investigative work, fans! Hee.

    thedavidcook: Great family visit! Now back to LA, singing songs tomorrow!

    I’m excited he’s recording vocals. I am REALLY curious to know how far along he is… kinda dying here. It’s been forever…

    ETA: My turn to be a creeper. I noticed the #MontySaysShit account was active during this period of radio silence from David, and I’m assuming Monty didn’t go to Indiana… so my nosy ass is speculating that this confirms Andy and David both tweet from that account. Okay, I care way too much about this stupid shit…

    P.P.S. Go ARCHIE!

  • http://www.planetfierce.proboards.com/ CindyM

    Nice little blurb for Allison and 19E acknowledged the fan petition from Alli and Adam fans in their press release according to this article. Also, he linked Don’t Waste The Pretty!

    http://blogs.mcall.com/lehighvalleymusic/2010/07/allison-iraheta-added-to-adam-lambert-show-by-popular-demand-rep-says.html

    eta: Since the article this morning, there are only 2 seats available in VIP, both singles in different sections.

  • Eileen99

    That’s a really nice review for Archie’s new single. I downloaded it Monday night and really like it. I think it will do really well for him!

    Majal1: Here’s a list of the monitored stations that have added TT to their playlist, sorted by market. These are only the official adds, there are other stations playing TT as well. You may find what you’re looking for here. As for the “OMG Jive hates Kris and wants him to fail” meme…yeah, not interested in going there as it’s obviously ridiculous.

    http://addboard.mediabase.com/SongAddHistory.asp?Startdate=&AddFormat=H1&RemoveFormat=Remove+a+Format

  • wordnerdarchie

    ETA: My turn to be a creeper. I noticed the #MontySaysShit account was active during this period of radio silence from David, and I’m assuming Monty didn’t go to Indiana… so my nosy ass is speculating that this confirms Andy and David both tweet from that account. Okay, I care way too much about this stupid shit…

    Yep, #MontySaysShit is always from iPhone, which the real Monty doesn’t use. However, Dave usually tweets from iPhone, while Andy uses web or iPhone. So you could be right about both of them tweeting from that account, given they were the first to follow it. #creeperconfessional

  • tripp_ncwy

    Could Jive be paying RCA or whomever to keep Allison on the tour? It has been discussed on this blog before that sometimes a label will pay to have their artist on a certain tour. Adam certainly doesn’t need Alli or Orianthi for that matter to sell tickets.

  • Keel

    Kris has been in the midst of touring so it’s kind of hard to compare it to the release of his first single, when he wasn’t busy with concerts all over the country or other videos made when artists weren’t touring.

    Cook obviously isn’t with Jive, but he shot the video for Come Back To Me while in the midst of a pretty grueling headlining tour (plus with personal stuff going on at home) during the first leg of his 2009 tour. So if RCA was able to squeeze shooting the video for CBTM and releasing it not too far after the release of the song to radio, I would say that speaks to Jive and his management’s not doing a good job of coordinating these things better. Though I didn’t follow him, Archie also had a video for his second single though he was actively touring (though I think his video was created mostly from concert footage), so it was probably much easier to put together.

  • koshka

    CindyM:
    07/21/2010 at 12:17 pm
    Jsut got a tweet from Ticketmaster. For those wanting to see Kris or the Idols live, Ticketmaster just announced some more $10 ticket deals…

    Sun, 07/25/10
    07:30 PM Barenaked Ladies (Kris is opening)
    Dodge Theatre – Phoenix

    Thu, 08/19/10
    07:30 PM Maroon 5 (Kris is opening)
    Bayfront Park Amphitheater – Miami

    Also a lot of American Idols Live dates.

    Figures.. its Live Nation. Someone needs to come up with a good nickname for them… similar to ticketbastards. I’m not nearly witty enough to come up with one.

    Anyone?

  • BootStar

    Though I didn’t follow him, Archie also had a video for his second single though he was actively touring (though I think his video was created mostly from concert footage), so it was probably much easier to put together.

    No, Archie had a very nice non-concert video for his second single. I know because I bought it for my son. I never understood why that song didn’t get more airplay; I really liked it!

    A Little Too Not Over You

    Figures.. its Live Nation. Someone needs to come up with a good nickname for them… similar to ticketbastards. I’m not nearly witty enough to come up with one.

    Anyone?

    Live AbomiNation!

  • Joyed

    Archie also had a video for his second single though he was actively touring (though I think his video was created mostly from concert footage), so it was probably much easier to put together.

    The compilation video was for Touch My Hand which was never sent for adds. Archie did get a fully-fleshed out story video for A Little Too Not Over You, his second single.

    I would be cautious comparing the strategies for these idols because a lot of different strategies are being employed for the newer releasing idols than songs that were released even just 2 years ago. I think there is experimentation going on to see which gets them the most bang for their buck.

    On a side note, you don’t need to chart on Pop to earn a video. The VH1 countdown in particular skews to Hot AC and having your video air there can help bump sales, even if only in a small way.

  • mmb

    I dont know about Z100, I have not investigated. Does anyone know if the NY radio started to pay TT?

    TT is being played fairly frequently by WPLJ, which is the big, influential HAC station in the NYC area. It is not being played by z100, which is a pop station.

  • alaadam

    Nice little blurb for Allison and 19E acknowledged the fan petition from Alli and Adam fans in their press release according to this article. Also, he linked Don’t Waste The Pretty!

    So happy for Allison. I guess it had a little special meaning to me since we had a conversation about the petition, etc at the buses when we met her in Nashville. She was really encouraging the petition and seemed to really want to stay on the tour. I am soooooooo glad this petition really worked. So happy Adam’s fans joined in to support her.

  • girlygirl

    I don’t think I have ever seen this full interview that Kris did with Elle magazine during the Kradison photo shoot last year. I only remember seeign a really short interview with all 3 of them. So maybe longer itnrviews with Adam and Allison will show up as well (if they haven’t already)

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2V-jGc7lhIo

  • ross

    Kris IS touring and he lost an opportunity to CONNECT with his audience in the absence of the Video. There is a lot of people watching MTV plus attending the concert and eventually, will becomes Kris fans. This is the time of Kris life that PROMOTION is critical.
    I am doubtful that JIVE and his handler are doing some strategic planning for Kris’s future. It feels like they are doing a lousy job of promoting Kris. Does JIVE wants Kris to fail? I hate to name names, but look at Adam Lambert, his video is out, he tours in Europe, IIHY is winning spin on the radio, Kris is losing spin!!!

    Someone said earlier that videos don’t really affect spin, just sales – right?

    Would a label that doesn’t care about an artist bother with such an elaborate video that requires remote location shooting in the desert? I’d be more inclined to think Jive didn’t care about Kris if they slapped together a cheap video made in a studio and rushed it out.

    There was a rain delay on the Truth video last week. If they didn’t care, I guess they would have said, “Let’s film it anyhow. Rain, sun, what’s the difference? It’s just Kris Allen. Not anybody important. Let’s just get this shit over with.” Yet it seems they care enough to take the time to do it right.

    You bring up Adam. All his videos were shot in Los Angeles, weren’t they? One (WWFM) had him hanging around an apartment for part of the song. That doesn’t seem like it would take very long to shoot. IIHY was shot in Griffith Park. How difficult a location is Griffith Park? Stuff is shot there all the time.

    I’m of the opinion that Jive is taking care to shoot this video and make it special. I don’t know why they didn’t shoot it sooner, but schedules can conflict.

    Pat Monahan is the other singer on this song. It isn’t just Kris. Both of them had to be available to appear in this video. Maybe that wasn’t so easy to coordinate. And it’s possibe the joint appearance is key to the video.

    Anyhow, I don’t think I’ve seen any evidence that they don’t care.

  • tinawina

    I’m excited he’s recording vocals. I am REALLY curious to know how far along he is… kinda dying here. It’s been forever…

    Recording vocals usually comes near the end, so…. YESSSSS!!!!!!!!

    When did they start… end of June, right? And I’m pretty sure we were told that the recording process in this type of situation usually takes 4-6 weeks? So that sounds about right. :)

    Anyway, I do know that vocals come near the end and then whatever additional instrumental touch ups that are needed come next.. then off for mastering. **does happy dance**

  • koshka

    Live AbomiNation!

    See I knew someone was more witty than I. Thanks Bootstar!

  • koshka

    Ross I agree with you on almost all your point, other than this one.

    Would a label that doesn’t care about an artist bother with such an elaborate video that requires remote location shooting in the desert?

    How do we know it is elaborate if we haven’t seen it yet? Remote location? Drive 40 min from LA and you ARE in a desert.. in fact most of California is a desert, people shoot vids there all the time too. Remember that song Live Like We’re Dying.. that was shot in the desert as well. Not trying to poke at you, tossing some of my own reality in on it.

    On another note. I really am sorry Kris fans. Hang in there, I really do think that the shoot will happen and that it will all get on the right path in no time!

  • ross

    How do we know it is elaborate if we haven’t seen it yet? Remote location? Drive 40 min from LA and you ARE in a desert.. in fact most of California is a desert, people shoot vids there all the time too. Remember that song Live Like We’re Dying.. that was shot in the desert as well. Not trying to poke at you, tossing some of my own reality in on it.

    Well, koshka, elaborate may have been the wrong word! Glad you agreed with most of my points.

    I just meant they could have shot any cheap video in a day, in a studio. Going out on location is tougher, regardless of the location. Plus, Kris and Pat Monahan both had to be gotten there on the same day. I think from the look of it, it’s a more remote location than 40 miles outside of LA. Even Palm Springs is something like 80 or more miles from LA. Even if it isn’t remote – my only point was it’s silly to say Jive doesn’t care. Because they wouldn’t be bothering with any of this if they didn’t care.

    (Most of California is not a desert, btw. Only about 25,000 sq miles out of Cali’s @168,000 sq miles is desert. I looked it up! Ha. Most of my time in California has been in Northern Cal., where there aren’t any deserts.)

  • koshka

    nvm Lol

  • soverymel

    It’s not a desert now because the pipe all the water and it has been urbanized and turned into agriculture

    So basically you’re saying Ross is right. Whether it was desert previously or not means nothing unless Jive has a time machine handy.

  • sunchick

    Anyway, I do know that vocals come near the end and then whatever additional instrumental touch ups that are needed come next.. then off for mastering. **does happy dance**

    **Belated happy dancing** Sing, Cookie. Sing hard.

    Also smallie’s creepery sleuthing FTW.

    Sucks about Kris’s video.

  • https://twitter.com/pmhowden undercooked

    I live in Los Angeles and you can still get to the desert in an hour if you head North on the 14 freeway. It takes you to the Antelope Valley and the Mojave Desert. The further north you go, the sparser it gets. Edwards Air Force Base is out there, and that’s smack in the middle of nowhere.

    It would take time to drive out there, but you wouldn’t have the parking issues or crowd control to worry about, so there is that.

    But I agree, doing the shoot in a studio would have been the easiest thing to do as they could do it anytime and not have the weather and lighting issues.

  • kingpeter