Idol Headlines for 07/11/09

Adam & Kris hosting AT40 is up on YouTube! Credit to ONTD_AI.

Part 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P3z5QUXgikA

Part 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WsdNGbvg3xM

Part 3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vjgD06OWAQ8

I guess that’s the full show…I haven’t listened to it all yet so I’m not totally sure.

Nice comments about Adam from Ryan Tedder!

ETA: now that I’m listening to this, it seems all out of order? But oh well, at least you can get an idea of what they talked about.

Aww, Ryan Tedder said such nice things about Adam. I can’t wait for his album.

I’m still on a high from last night and the new song from Kris! And now we get this news of a 14 track CD from Jason with a single out next month! I’m really glad he took his time to sign with the right label and get a good album prepared – but, dayum! it’s about time!

I love that Jason is included in that article on Adam and Kris. Squee for 14 track CD and single in August!

I am so so excited for Jason’s CD! AHHHHH

Am listening to Kris and Adam from ONTD (good, b/c I don’t have to listen to all three hours of the show, LOL). Pretty amusing but it does seem to be out of order. Once again, tho, Kradam are cute as all get out. The letters and phone calls to Adam–I love you, please go on a date with me, etc.–are, shall we say, in vain. Adam says to tell Jamie Foxx to call Kris: yes, Jamie, CALL HIM ALREADY. I bet they are both way more entertaiing than Ryan, but since I don’t listen to AT 40, I have no idea.

And yay for the albums! I love Apologize, so cool re: Ryan Tedder working with Adam (and Kris, too?). Maybe it’s because Adam’s Come Home from Upright Cabaret is so haunting and heartfelt. Tho I would think Tedder would want to work with Kris, too, since he covered Apologize (and much better, of course, than the judges gave him credit for!).

Oh, and I hear Heartless all over our Hot AC station in Boston, but no Adam songs. I guess none were released or they just aren’t ones that Mix would want to play? Heartless is a very good fit, breezy. But MW would be nice, too, and the studio version of One is so much better than the live version (but I bet they couldn’t get permission from Bono to release). Feeling Good would rock my little world, and RoF even moreso.

Re: The Top 40– ontd_ai has a link to just the portions of the Top 40 where Kris and Adam are talking. Adam says he loves disco sticks. LMAO!

I have to say at this point all three albums sound intriguing – we really don’t know what to expect from Kris, Adam or Jason, not totally so surprises are always fun.

At least one artist looks like he might break the MJ barrier on the charts, Hits Daily Double is predicting Maxwell will sell around 275-300k next week, which puts him right under MJ The Essential Ones for No. 2 spot – would it have anything to do with the fact that the Maxwell album was being pimped on CNN – I remember thinking this is strange, why is there an album promo being played repeatedly on CNN. Strange but smart.

Adam and Kris should sub Ryan more often.

Just listened to the Top 40 DJs of the hour. Holy Smokes…these guys have wonderful speaking voices and sound so relaxed and funny. And if their jokes and asides are ad-libs they are enormously funny and quick witted, too. Doesn’t matter if the segments are out of order….they are mini-little sets all on their own.

OK…and I know I am going to get blasted but….I think the two guys should do Saturday Night Live together if someone thinks enough of them to invite them. They have a great way of playing off of each other and it just makes them both funnier when they are together. They take turns playing straight man…and lovely Katy gets thrown in the mix and keeps the flow going. Kudos.

Tedder says his songs with Lambert have a new wave, Tears for Fears vibe,

I love what Ryan Tedder has to say about Adam, but not what he says about the music :sad_wp: . I’m not a fan of Tears for Fears, in fact they’ve a been a pet peeve of mine since the 80′.
That could ofcourse have more to do with their voices and singing style than their music, since I do seem to like their songs covered by other musicians.

Anyway I truly do hope Adam produces a good album. I love him, and I want to be able to buy his album when it comes out, I never was the kind of fan that will buy music for the sake of the artist, quite the opposit, I would buy a CD of an artist I normally despise if I like the music it’s offering.

Do disco sticks glow?

Glad that Dance beat Big Brother but in my area they showed BB before Dance so I watched both and actually really love the fresh take BB has brought this year.

Sunn Jul 11th, 2009 at 11:34 am

Tedder says his songs with Lambert have a new wave, Tears for Fears vibe,

I love what Ryan Tedder has to say about Adam, but not what he says about the music :sad_wp: . I’m not a fan of Tears for Fears, in fact they’ve a been a pet peeve of mine since the 80′ ².

Dude, I LOOOOOOVED Tears for Fears! So that comment made me happy. I’m also hoping we get something “Depeche Mode-y”.

News Flash – Adam loves ‘disco sticks’ – LOL, these two together are great.

David Archuleta now has over 200,000 friends on his MySpace. Woohoo!!!
:thumbup_tb:

The radio clips is really out of order and very old because Adam is giving the RealGlambert as his twitter page.

Not surprised about Maxwell. I don’t CNN has that much pull with music releases. Heard him on the BET awards and seriously people have been waiting for new music from him for a longass time. The R&B/neo-soul needs more people like him doing stuff.

Very excited about Kris’s album. It is great that so many big names in the music industry are submitting potential songs for the CD. That says alot about how he is viewed by those who know what sells. Looking forward to the fall.

That Top40 thing was quite amusing. The “I love disco sticks” comment and “your wife said the same thing” were both hilarious.

I liked Tears for Fears (Shout was one of my first singles, apparently — I got it as a toddler), but I am wondering if referencing them in regards to a New Wave sound was made because Adam sang Mad World on the show. Nice comments from Tedder, by the way.

Do disco sticks glow?

lol .. I would imagine that they do … and if they didn’t I bet they do when Adam holds one .. like a light sabre.

I’m very happy to hear Ryan Tedder’s comments about a new wave Tears for Fears influence on Adam’s music.

I loved Tears for Fears and that whole genre of music .. good stuff

3 ‘Idol’ alumni target holiday season for debuts

And where’s Alison!?!

snuffles
Jul 11th, 2009 at 11:49 am

Dude, I LOOOOOOVED Tears for Fears! So that comment made me happy. I’m also hoping we get something ‘Depeche Mode-y’ .

(Groan) I’m not a fan of The Mode, as they were nicknamed back in the day, either I’m sorry. Vocals are very important to me, and I hate TFF, DM vocal styles, those type of vocals, the heavy gutteral sounds, represent all I hate about the 80′s. Back then I got into many a school argument over who was better Queen or The Mode, guess which side I was on? :lol_wp:
Admittedly though, if you wanted to be cool, you had to like Depeche Mode, I wasn’t cool at all.

Well maybe if it’s Adam”s voice on those tracks then…. I hope so.

Newsweek piece with short interview with Daughtry:

http://www.newsweek.com/id/206159

Were you surprised that Kris Allen beat Adam Lambert on idol ?
Yes and no. Yes, because there was so much media attention on Adam. But I had a feeling the underdog was going to win. Adam’s voice’”I really don’t know how that guy does it. When you hear him talk, you’d never picture those notes coming out of his face. Sebastian Bach would be proud.

Sebastian Bach again! : (

3 ‘Idol’ alumni target holiday season for debuts

I guess this means Allison’s album isn’t being targeted for a fall release?

Then Gokey took the spotlight. I admit, I cannot fathom how this whiney-voiced, unhip being was ever a serious contender. Kicking off his set with Michael Jackson’s P.Y.T. (Pretty Young Thing) only delivered more evidence of his nose for easy exploitation.

What an imbecilic criticism from The Globe and Mail — as if that song selection hadn’t been made before MJ’s death.

Boy was that a bad review overall!

That article about Adam’s, Kris’, and Jason’s records also mentioned Jim Jonsin as an Adam collaborator. I googled him and he’s responsible for tons of hip hop hits (“Whatever You Like”; “Lollipop”)…interesting that both Kris and Adam have some hip hop producers working with them!

What an imbecilic criticism from The Globe and Mail ‘” as if that song selection hadn’t been made before MJ’s death.

Boy was that a bad review overall

Except for Alison and Adam.

Regarding the comment about Danny — shows that reviewer didn’t do any background research before writing this review!! Really uncalled for mean comment.

Sebastian Bach again! : (

Like I said on another thread, I’m not really familiar with Skid Row, but when I checked out the Youtubes of live performances all I could hear is a guy with a great voice, really beautiful, and a great range. That SB really can sing. I don’t see anything wrong with the comparison.

Like SB or not, find him cheesy or not, the man has a phenomenal voice and can deliver songs. That’s as far as the comparison goes IMO.

I surmised that CNN might have helped Maxwell because CNN’s ratings skyrocketed with their MJ coverage and MJ fans are going to be the type that would dig Maxwell I’d suspect. CNN beat all the competition hands down. I watched more CNN since MJ died than I have in the last year or so. Crikey even Larry King.

In fact when they first played the Maxwell promo I thought it was a clip from an MJ tribute because it starts with Maxwell singing into a mike, and it would catch me off guard until I fully realized oh yeah this is an album promo, on CNN?

But now if Adam does New Wave is that going to be considered retro or old fashioned – such a fine line.

I personally love retro. Check out Duffy’s Rockferry album. The arrangements are so vintage 1960s I was floored. [I saw Duffy live without all the horns and strings which prompted me to buy the album, it was already clear she was a chanteuse in the vein of Dusty Springfield, Lulu and Marianne Faithful]

so is allison’s cd not scheduled 4 this fall?.

So Reuters doesn’t include Allison in their article? Wtf. I know A LOT of people like Jason Castro but when all is said and done who was the better 4th place finisher, who deserved to go furthur? I would say Allison. I’m not saying Jason shouldn’t be included in the article but they aren’t going to put Allison in it? That makes me a little bit mad considering we do know about the same information regarding Kris and Adam. I don’t know why Allison wasn’t included but hey she was shaftd on Idol and being shafted with the media now. =\ Let’s just hope the American and global populations will reconize all the talent she has and will go out to buy her debut album when it comes out!

But now if Adam does New Wave is that going to be considered retro or old fashioned – such a fine line.

A lot of music out there has that New Wave sound right now, but it is usually from smaller artists (my favorite album released this year sounds ridiculously New Wave in parts). I am not surprised a New Wave retro movement would come around being that the earlier part of this decade was all about post-punk with so many bands being about Joy Division and Gang of Four.

Will it be considered old-fashioned? If nothing new is added to the sound, yes. Or if it isn’t good.

By the way, I really like Duffy as well. I think TPTB saw something like that in Megan which is why they liked her (I still love her audition), but she ended up being more like a less musically talented Joanna Newsom. lol

Well maybe if it’s Adam”s voice on those tracks then’ ¦. I hope so.

I think Adam’s range in styles has made him have a range in expectations from his fans, so some people might be disappointed in some of his stuff. Unless he tries to revive the hair metal movement, I am more concerned with quality (not expecting mind-blowing, just not crap) over genre since I can listen to almost any type of music from all sorts of artists.

I don’t know why Allison wasn’t included but hey she was shaftd on Idol and being shafted with the media now.

My guess is that the only reason she’s not included in the piece is that her album isn’t being released in the fall. I doubt that it’s a snub.

I wish there was more information about Allison’s album too.

will Jul 11th, 2009 at 12:40 pm

I don’t know why Allison wasn’t included but hey she was shaftd on Idol and being shafted with the media now.

My guess is that the only reason she’s not included in the piece is that her album isn’t being released in the fall. I doubt that it’s a snub.

No, Jive plans on releasing Allison’s album in the fall too. It was strange that she was left out. Maybe they couldn’t find any details and information on her album. There haven’t been any details put out in the press – unlike Adam and Kris.

star
Jul 11th, 2009 at 12:43 pm
I wish there was more information about Allison’s album too.

I have such great expectations for that girl, I really do think that she could be the best of the lot given half a chance.

Did I miss something? Where is the report that Adam is doing “new wave music”?

I don’t know why Allison wasn’t included but hey she was shaftd on Idol and being shafted with the media now.

My guess is that the only reason she’s not included in the piece is that her album isn’t being released in the fall. I doubt that it’s a snub.

I don’t think she is being shafted, the media seems to like her a lot. This is no big deal, the release dates are still very far away, we will get much more information about her album until then.

Boy was that a bad review overall

Except for Alison and Adam.

Yeah, I was a little scared when I first began to read that review but both of them seems to get good reviews no matter what the reporter thinks of the concert overall.

Newsweek piece with short interview with Daughtry:
http://www.newsweek.com/id/206159
Were you surprised that Kris Allen beat Adam Lambert on idol ?
Yes and no. Yes, because there was so much media attention on Adam. But I had a feeling the underdog was going to win. Adam’s voice’”I really don’t know how that guy does it. When you hear him talk, you’d never picture those notes coming out of his face. Sebastian Bach would be proud.

Sebastian Bach again! : (

Sebastian Bach can sing and has a great voice but I just don’t care for him, so I don’t like Adam being compared to him.

Q3
Jul 11th, 2009 at 12:50 pm
Did I miss something? Where is the report that Adam is doing ‘new wave music’ ?

The Ryan Tedder quote.

Yes Allison may not have a set release date yet, as simple as that.

I think Adam’s range in styles has made him have a range in expectations from his fans, so some people might be disappointed in some of his stuff. Unless he tries to revive the hair metal movement, I am more concerned with quality (not expecting mind-blowing, just not crap) over genre since I can listen to almost any type of music from all sorts of artists.

I agree, I am hoping for a good album from Adam. Something good enough that gives him the power and freedom to do something mindblowing down the road.

Based on the comments about his album, I am expecting to get a least a decent dance mix or two, a couple rock “anthems”. I am most optomistic that his collaboration with Sam Sparro will produce something really good in the pop-rock space.

What I am hoping that he doesn’t release is a CD that sounds like a 21st century Bowie/Queen tribute.

The Top 40 was really cute-Adam and Kris did a great job together-and thanx to whomever dedicated their time to edit it down! So much better then Seacrest.
P.S.:
The reviewer also liked Lil-most of the article is tongue and cheek-I wouldn’t take it too seriously.

No, Jive plans on releasing Allison’s album in the fall too. It was strange that she was left out. Maybe they couldn’t find any details and information on her album. There haven’t been any details put out in the press – unlike Adam and Kris.

Well then I take it all back, it IS a snub! Regardless if specific details on the album are available, it’s incumbent on the reporter to mention it for accuracy’s sake — the headline should read “4 Idol Alumni. . .” if her album is being released in the fall along with the others. Reuters screwed up big-time.

Someone please enlighten me if they have insider information. We know (out of the horses mouths) that Adam and Kris and Jason are heavily into their albums and plan a November release at the latest. I also know that Allison is working on an album but haven’t heard much about a release date.

Just sayin…..I think it would be beneficial for Allison to wait until the hoopla for the dynamic duo (Kris and Adam) to die down a bit before releasing her album. Why should she be competing with the Idol big boys….wouldn’t a special All Allison promo be more beneficial for her.

Let’s give her some time to get school out of the way….work on a really good album…..do some Christmas touring to get her more “outside of Idol” promo. There are enough great female rock covers for her to do on some Christmas shows….Lady GAGA only had one song on her program last year and look where she is now.

Throw Allison out too soon and she will loose some punch. Time it right and she will be able to benefit from some AI hype that comes out in the early spring. Just sayin…

Whatever. I’m not going to question the motives of the reporter. Maybe they honestly didn’t know. Or just plain forgot about Allison.

Actually, I wouldn’t be surprised if Allison gets her album out FIRST (like October).

Well finishing 1 and 2 should have its privileges. I still think it was likely a more simply explained oversight. For all you know the Reuters reporter got the information and it got edited or just not included in the original piece because he or she didn’t deem it newsworthy.

Thanks, Sunn. I read right past the “new wave” reference. I guess I think of Tears for Fears as more synthpop or pop-rock. And without the context of TfF was think more of early new wave — late 70′s punk/power rock — and could connect that with Adam.

But in any case, I can def see Adam doing music that is the part of new wave that was synth/electro funk. That could be great actually — and with current production capabilities — ooooooooo!

I can even see Adam doing something in the Talking Heads/David Byrne space.

Concert review from the Sacramento Bee.
MJ please delete this if it belongs in concert thread.

http://www.sacbee.com/latest/story/2018522.html

Thanks for the interview with Philip, really enjoyed that.

Regarding Allison’s release … I’m inclined to think the reporter just didn’t have any details, so didn’t mention it. Or they blew it and forgot. It occurred to me as I was reading the above posts that maybe they (they being Jive/19) really want to package Allison right to do justice to her voice, power and persona.

Are they going to make her the anti-Miley or Baby Pink? It may be a gamble and a stretch, but if they delayed her release until she is ALMOST 18 (I don’t think they’ll wait all the way until April), she can be more easily marketed with and edgier/sexier vibe. That’s a touchy area while she’s under age, but once she turns 18, all bets are off and she can be as edgy and fierce as she wants to be.

Just a theory, but it is something I’m sure her handlers are considering. She has such an old soul, retro sound, but if you’re a teen entertainer, you’re a squeaky clean, Mouseketeer-type. How do they take her beyond that? It will be interesting to see.

Just sayin’ ¦..I think it would be beneficial for Allison to wait until the hoopla for the dynamic duo (Kris and Adam) to die down a bit before releasing her album. Why should she be competing with the Idol big boys’ ¦.wouldn’t a special All Allison promo be more beneficial for her.

I kind of understand what you’re saying and it’s all good on paper, but things don’t seem to work that way.
The more you wait, the less benefit you have from your exposure on Idol.

And I don’t know what you mean about her not competing with “the big boys”, she is not on Idol anymore, they won’t release the albums all on the same date anyway.
I saw in another article (don’t remember where) that she has a release date actually sooner than the other two.

nice Kris comment in Sacramento Bee

Season 8 winner Kris Allen wouldn’t be Kris Allen if he employed the theatrics of Lambert, so it was only fitting that he demonstrated his amazing gift to sing and play both the guitar and the piano. He opened with his amazing cover of Kanye West’s “Heartless,” which got him rave reviews on the show. He also performed “Ain’t No Sunshine.” Looking back at when “Idol” fans first met Kris – in January – this young man has matured into a singer/songwriter that deserved the title.

Jason single in August?! Yay! Thank you Pete Ganberg and ATLANTIC RECORDS. Their description of his CD is music to my ears, not literally, but soon!

And to the Allison fans, Jason was also a 4th place finisher. We have waited this longgg, try to be patient. It will be worth the wait. Granted Jason record deal came much later & didn’t sign with 19E (thankfully), but great things are worth the wait. Need I mention Kristy Lee Cook? Good lord, Allison doesn’t need that treatment.

Here’s the Sacramento Bee review of last night’s concert. Very positive in tone. I’m bummed no mention of Kris doing The Killers’ song, but the reviewer likely didn’t know about the whole dropping NoBo/replacing it with no song thing. Oh well.

http://www.sacbee.com/latest/story/2018522.html

I read somewhere that Allison record would be released in 2010… so i guess there is not much news at this point. It’s not that they don’t want to talk about her cd in my opinion

I am not bummed. It was very positive to Kris, mentioning how much he grew over the show, which makes me happy. It was very positive to all of the idols, which is a 180 degrees veer from the Vancouver whatevertheheckthat was.

That article from “The Globe and Mail” was absolutely BS.

Mtlfan Jul 11th, 2009 at 1:36 pm

I read somewhere that Allison record would be released in 2010′ ¦ so i guess there is not much news at this point. It’s not that they don’t want to talk about her cd in my opinion

Really, US Weekly just featured Adam, Kris and Allison and they said she’s set to release “this fall”.

It’s possible that 19/Jive isn’t sure when they expect Allison’s debut to be released. Adam and Kris are probably farther along in the process in terms of recording/writing — especially since both guys have more experience in terms or writing and recording than Allison likely does.

What is Allison doing for schooling – is she old enough to not have to have a tutor by law in these circumstances? Can’t remember what they did for Archie and Jordin beyond the fact they had to have a guardian on tour with them.

Wanting a fall release and getting it are two different things. You might delay a record if a producer you really want to work with isn’t available until a certain date etc.

Allison would be best to release either before or after and I see Jason is wise not to compete with Kris or Adam not that there is necessarily any overlap but better off to release your record when no one else of any major note is.

From MTV.com June 10, 2009:

Allison Iraheta Signed To Jive Records’American Idol’ finalist set to release her debut album this fall.By Gil Kaufman

This fall is promising a bumper crop of “American Idol” album action. On Tuesday, the day that it was announced that runner-up Adam Lambert had scored a deal with RCA Records, fourth-place finisher Allison Iraheta also lined up a debut-album release for the fall on Jive Records, the same label that will be issuing winner Kris Allen’s major-label bow.

I’m really not getting the big deal that that one article didn’t mention Allison. Big whoop. They probably didn’t have enough info on the direction of her record as yet. It doesn’t mean people are forgetting about her or not taking her record seriously. I also don’t understand why it’s a big deal they talked about Jason instead of Allison. He was a 4th place finisher too and his fans have been waiting for his album for a year. That has zero to do with Allison.

Not to burst anyone’s bubble but relying on internet gossip sites for “true” information about anything concerning the Idols, past or present is nothing if not absurd. But if it is a “proven” fact that Allison’s album has a fall release and the three current idols all release within days of each other….how absurd is that. It will be hard enough for Adam and Kris to get “out of the Idol bubble recognition” and then to throw Allison into the mix…OK, whatever.

Besides, and again, the media is not intent on playing fair. If they mention Adam w/o Kris or vice versa, or do not mention Allison, or talk about Allison w/o mentioning the “boys” what in the name of all things holy difference does it make.

Why is everyone so intent on having everything in the idol Kingdom “fair” and equitable? And besides, if Reuters didn’t mention Allison it’s because they just didn’t. They probably had no other agenda other than the fact some writer had heard that Kris and Adam and Jason were all recording albums and wanted to get a few Google hits so he wrote about it. Geesh….

Mtlfan: I read somewhere that Allison record would be released in 2010

Releasing in the fall is “the only way to do it” from a marketing standpoint, because you want to get the holiday sales — “Oh, I’ll buy this for Junior, because she was one of the good contestants on the show.” If you want crappy initial sales, wait until after New Year’s.

Tess: Throw Allison out too soon and she will loose some punch. Time it right and she will be able to benefit from some AI hype that comes out in the early spring.

Put her album out too late and she’ll lose the punch. The momentum of the tour publicity is, unfortunately, an important thing to capitalize on.

I’ve said on Twop that, in an ideal world, I’d actually like things to go the way you described — help her put a band together, do some gigging to get some cohesiveness, then go into the studio and capture the live feel. But marketing is king — high-quality artistic development isn’t.

brie200: I’m really not getting the big deal that that one article didn’t mention Allison.

I tend to agree — and I’m probably about as off-the-deep-end an Allison fan as you’re going to find. I was mildly disgusted to see she wasn’t mentioned — for about 10 seconds, and then I moved on.

Susan M.: It may be a gamble and a stretch, but if they delayed her release until she is ALMOST 18 (I don’t think they’ll wait all the way until April), she can be more easily marketed with and edgier/sexier vibe. That’s a touchy area while she’s under age, but once she turns 18, all bets are off and she can be as edgy and fierce as she wants to be.

I don’t think that’s an issue at all. Yes, those of us who became fans while she was on the show know that she’s only 17, but among the wider audience, the average person isn’t going to know.

And even among the AI fanbase, heck — look at her concert videos — she’s already working that vibe, and people love it.

Personally, I just don’t get this concern at all. She is who she is, and what she is is “fierce”. Being 17 and 7 months instead of 18 isn’t going to make any difference.

Don’t get all in a huff about those reviews. Neither the Vancouver or the Sacramento review were done by the an entertainment reporter. The Vancouver author is more of a restaurant/lifestyles, the Sacramento one is fashion/lifestyles. Looks like both got their assignment because they could use the free tickets that went along with getting the assignment.

“lavender1960: What is Allison doing for schooling – is she old enough to not have to have a tutor by law in these circumstances? Can’t remember what they did for Archie and Jordin beyond the fact they had to have a guardian on tour with them.”

Allison has said she is doing a self-study GED review while on-tour, so she can take the test as soon as possible. IDK about Jordin, but Archie dropped the tutor during Idol, because he said it was to much doing studies along with show/tour/album prep. He has no immediate plans of getting his GED, he said that will happen sometime in the future.

lavender1960: What is Allison doing for schooling – is she old enough to not have to have a tutor by law in these circumstances?

I looked into this a few weeks ago when it came up on Twop. California’s compulsory attendance law goes all the way up to 18 (most states are 16/17), and doesn’t seem to allow taking the GED exam until then. However, they also have a California-only GED-like exam that you can take as young as 16, which California recognizes as a high school equivalent just like the GED.

So, she could take that exam anytime now, and it looks to me like that would be the end of her compulsory attendance obligation. That (or the GED) might be what she’s studying for now — I seem to recall seeing her saying something like that. (ETA: chessguy99, thanks for confirming that.)

Allison is not studying for the GED. She wants an actual highschool diploma and is working towards that in an independent study program.

http://www.cde.ca.gov/sp/eo/is/

There is a BIG difference between a GED and a high school diploma. Kudos to Allison for working during the summer months to facilitate her ability to graduate.

David Archuleta dropped out of the independent study program he was working on and did not graduate with his class. He can either get back in the program or test out for a GED. Apparently, when you turn 18 you are no longer required a mandatory education so he was able to do this last December. Allison won’t be 18 until next April so her birthday and graduation will really coincide.

Jordin was basically home-schooled (a very popular way to be schooled in Arizona) and I believe that she qualified for her diploma. She was pretty close to wrapping up all her credits before Idol even began, even though she was only 17.

John, I do get your point and really agree with all of them. I wouldn’t say the fact that she’s under age is a non-issue however. Number one, they may want to market her as a prodigy; part of her amazing voice is that it’s coming from someone so young, so that might be part of their PR strategy.

And there are legalities involved with someone being 17 and 7 months and someone being 18. I’m thinking of the direction they can go in with videos, etc. And I’m not advocating for anything more sensual than the garden-variety music videos that are out there right now ‘“ which usually have a strong sexual/sensual undertone. (Then there are those that are treading a line closer to porn.)

If she’s a day under 18 anything even remotely sensual can be considered in very bad taste (and legally, child pornography). Teenage actors cannot do certain scenes until they are 18; it’s the law. These are often shot around in film production until the actor becomes of age.

As far as taking the GED; I took it years ago and it was a very easy test (mostly common sense) unless someone is very academically challenged. It’s probably changed some, but from what I hear, not by much. It takes like a Saturday morning. I don’t know why Allison/Archie would put it off because having it out of the way would make things much easier. And if Allison is still in school (as she said she is to get it over with during the summer) that’s adding yet another time constraint to her album release.

Allison is not studying for the GED. She wants an actual highschool diploma and is working towards that in an independent study program.

I also read somewhere that Alison is an A student, very bright and very committed to getting an education. It would be great if she could figure out how to work in college at some point.

Releasing in the fall of course is the optimum time to release a record. Stats I’ve come across saw said anytime in the fourth quarter is good and even September because you will get a second round of buying at Xmas time.

However clearly not everyone can and does release their records in the fourth quarter and you do run the risk, because so many artists do release their new albums in that pre Christmas run up of being overshadowed, especially if you are a newer artist.

You may pick a week that looks pretty clear of heavyhitters and bang U2 changes their release date for the same week as you.

I just realized something kind of startling — that review in The Globe and Mail didn’t give Scott even so much as a mention! Although given the nature of the review, he might want to count himself lucky. I didn’t even notice his absence the first time I read it. Poor Scott.

I’ll be any amount of money that Allison is the first album released. From seeing how Jive handled Jordin and Airchie I predict 1)release of a single sometime in August to Top 40 radio 2) it will be VERY Top 40 friendly and Z100 will play it 3)the album will drop in late October/early November.

They will not try to build on her Idol audience but intro her as a new artist. That worked very well with Jordin. Allison will do an extensive radio tour to promote her album w/lots of Jingle Balls etc. Then open for an established artist. If it works according to plan, most of the people buying her music will be new fans.

I don’t expect to see her mentioned with Kris or Adam in Idol promo. I could see her do promo with Jordin though.

Releasing in the fall of course is the optimum time to release a record. Stats I’ve come across saw said anytime in the fourth quarter is good and even September because you will get a second round of buying at Xmas time.

Kris, Adam and Alison really have different markets, but you would think they would try to get some separation on the release dates.

I expect that they will release both a new Kris and a new Adam single in August. It seems more important than ever since NoBo is not selling. Then I don’t see why they wouldn’t release all three albums in November.

Kris has said that he plans to work with one producer and seems to have a really good idea where he is headed creatively. I doubt that Jive or Kris will miss a early November release date.

Adam seems to be working with an ever-expanding group of producers and songwriters. This seems to be the most ambitious and complex of the 3 albums both creatively and also from a distro/promo standpoint. RCA has talked about a global release for this CD (all bets are off if it’s crap). If they do a global release, I just don’t see how that gets out before mid to late November.

jpfan
Jul 11th, 2009 at 3:49 pm

I don’t think we are listening or reacting to the same Allison. Her voice and sound aren’t exactly top 40 poppish. She has much more of a rocker vibe. And her and Jordin are probably miles apart and, for me, do not seem to have the same type of appeal. And she definitely will not be linked with the Disney scene as David has.

I may be totally off base here but I don’t see her management in quite the hurry that David Archuleta’s seemed to be. Even if she fades a bit she will come back with a bang, because she can be marketed outside of the idol umbrella. She may not have the initial splash but she will be able to tread water for a long time until she is able to “burst” out.

I don’t think a wait will affect her as much as it has some other Idols since she doesn’t fit that AI mold. Besides, I get the feeling that her “true” fan base will be the kind that sticks with her and wont be the love em and leave em type that many idols have encountered (Kat, Brooke, Syesha, Melinda).

I’m surprised that neither Kris’s, Adam’s nor Allison’s debut albums are available for preorder through Amazon yet. IIRC both Archie and Cook had their albums already available for preorder way before this time of the year, last year. It even had the estimated release dates for both.

I’ll be any amount of money that Allison is the first album released. From seeing how Jive handled Jordin and Airchie I predict 1)release of a single sometime in August to Top 40 radio 2) it will be VERY Top 40 friendly and Z100 will play it 3)the album will drop in late October/early November.

They will not try to build on her Idol audience but intro her as a new artist. That worked very well with Jordin. Allison will do an extensive radio tour to promote her album w/lots of Jingle Balls etc. Then open for an established artist. If it works according to plan, most of the people buying her music will be new fans.

I wouldn’t be a bit surprised if this is the way it maps out for her. It would be a compliment to Allison for Jive to treat her as a new artist rather than just a contestant that came off of AI and signed with Jive.

I think it’s very possible that if Allison has the right material, then she could be top 40 friendly.

Except for maybe Daughtry, there are no legit rockers from AI. Cook gets played on HAC not rock radio. Allison will be a Pink type rocker and her music will go for adds on Top 40 radio just like Pink and Kelly Clarkson. Jive isn’t know for rock artists as far as I know. But we’ll see soon because I think Allison will release her music first.

Current Jive artists: T Pain, Britney Spears, Justin Timberlake, Katy Perry, Ciara

Top 40 is their bread and butter

Tess, thanks for that independent study link. I didn’t find it when I was poking around the California education website.

There is a BIG difference between a GED and a high school diploma.

Not legally — not in my state, anyway. I know that a lot of people think of it as a “diploma for dummies”, which I imagine is the difference you were talking about; but as a long-time homeschooling parent running a statewide homeschoolers’ support group, I can tell you that a lot of homeschoolers use the GED to get the same legal and college-admissions standing as public school graduates. So this wouldn’t necessarily have been any worse a path for Allison to take.

Susan M.: Number one, they may want to market her as a prodigy; part of her amazing voice is that it’s coming from someone so young, so that might be part of their PR strategy.

I agree — I’ve said that I suspect she did somewhat better on the show than she would have if she’d been 25, because of the extra “wow” factor. But it wouldn’t make any sense to make a big deal specifically about her being 17, because they’d have to drop that within a few months. It would make a whole lot more sense just to advertise her as “young” or “a teenager” rather than specifically as a 17-year-old.

If she’s a day under 18 anything even remotely sensual can be considered in very bad taste (and legally, child pornography). Teenage actors cannot do certain scenes until they are 18; it’s the law. These are often shot around in film production until the actor becomes of age.

Child pornography?? :lol_ee: That reminds me of something I meant to say in my previous reply — in her Idolatry interview, when Slezak asked her to comment on all the silly nonsense about her singing songs that were “too old” for her, she said that she wouldn’t be doing songs like that on her record. (Her whole answer to that issue was excellent and level-headed — really impressive.)

As far as taking the GED; I took it years ago and it was a very easy test (mostly common sense) unless someone is very academically challenged. It’s probably changed some, but from what I hear, not by much. It takes like a Saturday morning.

It’s a five-section test that totals between 7 and 8 hours. It’s normed so that 40% of graduating seniors (not just all seniors) would fail it. Here’s a page about it.

I think being a female with a rocker vibe is very different to being a male with a rocker vibe. Allison will be top 40, the same way Pink and Kelly are top 40. I wouldn’t be surprised if she released a single in August, but I’m hoping that she gets to spend a little more time on her album, since she doesn’t have a whole team of big name songwriters and producers working for her like Adam. I doubt she’ll get the Kristy Lee treatment….she’s far more interesting and current than Kristy Lee. Allison also has the advantage of being in neutral territory and being liked by fans of most idols. I don’t think it will be a situation like the Davids last year. I think Kris’ fans will support her and so will Adam’s. It would be a mistake for her to wait ’till next year to debut her first single on idol. It didn’t work for Brooke or Michael Johns and it didn’t even seem to work that much for some of the idol veterans.

jpfan: Except for maybe Daughtry, there are no legit rockers from AI. Cook gets played on HAC not rock radio. Allison will be a Pink type rocker and her music will go for adds on Top 40 radio just like Pink and Kelly Clarkson.

Cook is a rocker. It’s just that most people seem to define “rock” ridiculously narrowly these days — it seems like it only means “heavy metal and noisy post-grunge”. :biggrin_wp:

HAC (aka, Adult Top 40) is where pop-rock most typically is played, so I would tend to think that that will be a key focus for Allison.

Ultimately, the labels need to think about what release date will get the best sales for each of their artists, and I tend to think that the fall will be the best time for Adam, Kris, and Allison, in terms of momentum, but also in terms of when you get the biggest album sales. Yes, this fall is a bit jampacked with Idols—in the upcoming weeks, you’ll have the new Daughtry and Jordin CDs, and then starting in November, you’ll be getting the new Carrie CD, along with the major label debuts of Kris, Adam, and Jason, and I would think, Allison. Still, the fall/pre-holiday time is generally the best time to release and ideally, you’d see Allison have some momentum coming off of the tour.

For the Allison fans: no worries. She is a “made” star. Jive is lickin’ its chops every time Alli opens the final 4 on the Tour. PERSONALITY, charisma, captivating – much to the chagrin of Simon and the absolute giddy delight of Jive.

Allison, God love her. The story of her rise from obscurity to Rock Star is almost complete, with many chapters in her tale yet to be written. No intro necessary, she brings the crowd to their feet, leaving them breathless and primed for the upcoming fireworks.

Of all of the Idols, she is the “made” star. Irrepressible and undeniable at this point, she has clearly claimed the status; and, altho’ she may not realize the certainty of her success yet, it is evident. She has arrived fresh, unassuming and wide-eyed, burdened by no unfortunate excess-baggage or personal issues, or demands to be the immediate World Superstar, with commensurate revenue, to impede her journey to rock and roll fame.

From the most reliable information available, I believe the album will drop this fall. I tend to believe that Alli’s will be the first of the AI8′s. I’m too many years removed from the workings of the industry to opine regarding promotions and such. I definitely see a ready made, solid opener destined to headline in a couple of years.

Allison is the franchise player for Jive. Top draft pick. Do they start her now or bring her along a little? For some while she can more than earn her keep as an opener, I would think. Problem is: with almost every breath she takes she becomes an even more accomplished performer. At some point soon, who will dare follow her?

I guess that her numbers on her 1st release aren’t nearly as critical as those of the boys. I don’t have anything to base this comment on other than she is a much different property than Kris and Adam, and from anyone that I can think of in recent history.

They can put whatever genre labels they want on Kris, Alison and Adam — but at the end of the day, all three will have pop-rock in the mix aiming for an HAC hit.

Kris: pop-rock/soft rock with alternative “touches” (his word not mine)
Alison: pop-rock/rock
Adam: pop-rock/glam rock/electronica/dance funk

I think in the jumble of Fall releases, Alison and Adam are well positioned because they really are pretty distinctive. I can’t think of anyone current who sounds like either of them. (Alison reminds me of a cross between Janis Joplin and Heart — but she only 17!)

I think Kris is in the most crowded market place competing with both these ex-idols and a lot of other artists. He’s also in a commercially viable space if he gets a couple really good songs.

Not only are there a bunch of AI albums out there, but it’s a crowded marketplace. There were about 867 to 891 major label and 37,000 total titles released in 2008; up from about 560 major label 27,000 total titles in 2007. Look at this partial list of upcoming releases:

http://www.metacritic.com/music/upcomingreleases.shtml

So the market is doublely bad — more product choice and lower total sales volume.

Matt’s latest bubble tweet. with special appearances by Allison, Adam, Scott and Michael

LOL @ Adam

http://twitter.com/mgiraudofficial

sorry, dont know how to direct link it.

^^^I love how Allison just ever so casually pops her head into the shot every 5 seconds or so. Hee That was cute.

It’s scary how much Idol product is hitting the market in the next few months.
I guarantee both Jordin and Daughtry will have problems matching their debut album sales. I could see Adam and maybe Kris having a big first week from the Idol faithful. Allison not so much. I think only Carrie Underwood and probably Daughtry are locks to sell a million albums. I think Idol fatigue will set in at a certain point for the rest.

Very curious about Jason Castro’s upcoming album. Anyone have any info on the August single — release date, type of song?

Is Sweet Medicine going to be on the album? I did not care for that Jason-penned song and I wonder about his song-writing development since that time.

What are the promo plans? Will he be touring?

Any additional info? Anyone?

Lots of predictions on this thread about Idols. Any predictions about Jason’s debut?

http://bbltwt.com/tg06f

I think Jordin will do better on her second album than her first since she has a better lead single. i think it just depends on the rest of the album. I don’t think it’s a matter of how many idols are releasing cds.. it’s more if they are able to get on radio and expand their market as well because that will help sustain sales.

Don’t forget that Archie has his Christmas album coming out in the Fall as well. It will indeed be an Idol-filled season! A possible marketing tactic for Jive would be to bundle it with his current pop album as an option. That should help his album sales quite a bit.

ETA: Or maybe even a bundling of all the Jive Idol artists combined… Archie, Jordin, Kris, and Allison? Wouldn’t that be wild!?

Happydaisy, I can’t give you any predictions on what will happen with Jason’s album. I have no idea if it will hurt him with his release coming out over a year after his own Idol season, but unlike most of the other non 19 Idols he does have major label support, so he should get the promotion. I think a lot depends on how Atlantic pushes him. Is he being pushed as a former Idol or as an artist in his own right?

From what Jason said in his last video he made, there are four possible singles that are already recorded and ready to go and I assume at this point it’s up to the label as to which is the official single. I highly doubt it will be something anyone has ever heard before, so no worries there. That and I know he recorded a duet with fellow Atlantic recording artist Serena Ryder.

He also will be touring, but it’s unknown when or with who.

Cute bubble tweet.

Except for maybe Daughtry, there are no legit rockers from AI.

With all due respect … balderdash! I saw Cook and his band in concert in May and there was nothing soft about them. There was barely a ballad. Maybe “Lie” and “Come Back to Me,” which was not done in a syrupy manner. At all. I actually was somewhat surprised, but I don’t know why I should’ve been. Cook never was anything but rock. And Neal Tiemann … I don’t think he would step on the stage with “Barry Manilow.” So, enough said there.

Also Bo Bice is a rocker. He’s a country rocker, but he’s a rocker.

So called rock radio can suck it.

“There is a BIG difference between a GED and a high school diploma.”

JohnM said:

Not legally ‘” not in my state, anyway. I know that a lot of people think of it as a ‘diploma for dummies’ , which I imagine is the difference you were talking about; but as a long-time homeschooling parent running a statewide homeschoolers’ support group, I can tell you that a lot of homeschoolers use the GED to get the same legal and college-admissions standing as public school graduates. So this wouldn’t necessarily have been any worse a path for Allison to take.

You are right John. Funny thing is that most of the top tier universities do not require the GED from a homeschooler without a diploma (ACT/SAT is sufficient, even for scholarship), but some of the lower tier colleges or universities do.

Thanks for the information and insights, brie200. During Season 7, I downloaded all/most of Jason’s songs from I-Tunes plus a couple of his videos (forgot about ‘em, just noticed that I had those!). So I’ll be very interested to hear his new single and the album. Jason didn’t get a guest performance on Season 8 (lots of confusion about that, as I recall). Maybe he’ll guest during Season 9, among other promo by then. Thanks again.

I think Allison is highly marketable – there has to be a lot of teenagers out there that would embrace anyone who is the antithesis to the Miley Cyrus, Demi Lovato style of singers.

There is a Canadian singer Serena Ryder, not sure if she’s broken into the US market but they love her here and she’s got a killer voice, it’s like Joplin, Nicks and Etheridge had a hybrid child and just a unique sensibility to all her songs, also Amanda Marshall, another rocker chick – maybe Canadians like rocker voices more, or at least rocker chicks.

One does wonder if after 8 seasons there is a saturation point to some degree on the Idol releases……….

I hate it when reporters ask childless celebrities about when they are having kids. Brooke handled it with class though.

Mmm. It depends on whether CDs are viewed just as Idol releases, or as separate CDs. Look at the CDs that either have or will come out in 2009: while I have a hard time predicting what the AI8′ers will sound like (although I have a better sense with Kris and Allison), of the folks whose style is known, I think that I can feel pretty good in saying that the CDs put out by Melinda, Kelly, Taylor, Ruben, Elliot, Daughtry, Jordin, Carrie, Michael Johns, Brooke, and Jason will all be pretty different from each other. Some people might like multiple of those CDs, but they will probably draw from different groups, both within the Idol world and among non-Idol fans. Even among the major label folks, a lot of variety there.

Now, I would agree that Idol doesn’t sell automatically like it used to. [Not that too much sells automatically these days.] It used to be that an Idol winner was all but guaranteed to sell platinum in very short order, at least for the debut album, and then the question was, how much more than 1 million? Now, that’s not a given, even if some folks in the media, etc., still assume that it is. My guess is that each of the major label Idol artists stands a good chance of getting enough splash from his or her upcoming release that, if the release is good, s/he can get strong enough sales to make the label happy.

I’m excited for Jason’s CD and single. It’s great that the Atlantic people seem to be excited about him too. That was a nice quote in the article. According to his Tweets, Jason has a photoshoot next week (Thursday).

On a positive note, had a few phone convos today about a photoshoot next week! Thursday will be funnnnnn 6:22 PM Jul 10th from TwitterFon

Yes, so this photoshoot is for album art and press stuff! Hopefully you will be seeing a lot of these pics. Ha! 6:30 PM Jul 10th from TwitterFon

Thanks for the information and insights, brie200.

As always, thank you for the update on Jason! It is so cool seeing his name up there with Kris and Adam’s. His styling is different than theirs and he does have a lot to offer. I love the CD I have of his songs on AI and afterwards. I can’t wait for his release!

It’s also good to hear good news about Anthony, Diana, and Brooke. I have said it many times, but I wish Brooke and Jason would tour together!

Wishing them all the best.

JASON CASTRO – ‘If you fell in love with Jason on the show, this is exactly the record you’d want him to make,’  says Pete Ganberg, Atlantic executive vice president/head of A&R. ‘It’s introspective, playful and very much a combination of his influences, which range from Jeff Buckley to Jack Johnson.’ 

This is very exciting. I can’t wait to hear Jason’s cd. I liked all his song choices on the show, he’s set and primed to make a killer cd, and if it’s well produced, I think he’s going to do really well. It’s been a long wait but finally we’ll get to hear it.

David Cook is absolutely a rocker. I don’t necessarily agree with the first two singles chosen by the label, but give it time, he will become known for better and better songs that have already been recorded, not to mention those waiting in the wings. He’s an alt rocker, a pop rocker, a beautiful rock ballad singer, and he’s also a hard rocker at times. Hard enough for me and his fans. Rock “purists” and snobs I find amusing in their narrow definition of what is rock. afaic, Daughtry is rock (not everyone agrees there either) and so is the Fray and bands like that and David Cook and his band fit there with them.

And Allison, I agree with John, will be a huge star, and is still under-estimated by many Idol viewers but wait and see. Look back in 5 years and tell me where that girl is.

And Allison, I agree with John, will be a huge star, and is still under-estimated by many Idol viewers but wait and see

If you had said that in the middle of the competition, I would have been skeptical. However, I watched some of her tour performance videos and I was blown away. Not only was she a bundle of energy on stage, but everything she did, down to the quirky/hyper dance moves, seemed very natural and uniquely Allison. Vocals aside, I thought she outshone Adam in the duet, in terms of stage presence. She may not achieve instant success, but my money is on Allison when it comes to longevity.

He’s an alt rocker, a pop rocker, a beautiful rock ballad singer, and he’s also a hard rocker at times. Hard enough for me and his fans. Rock ‘purists’  and snobs I find amusing in their narrow definition of what is rock.

Yup. Cook’s performances are high energy, very rockin’ and his band is tight (from what I’ve seen on Utube!). The crowd is lucky if they can get more than 2 ballads out of him. Cook has a hard time getting the legit rocker stamp for superficial reasons: Idol winner, pretty boy, women go crazy over him and he has no qualms displaying his sensitive side. He seems to care very little about having the rocker image…. that quality might hinder him now, but I think it will pay off big time in the long run. The gradual change in his concert demographics since he started the tour, is a testimonay to that. Below is some priceless Cook banter:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bKWgxQ9nVbA

It’s also good to hear good news about Anthony, Diana, and Brooke. I have said it many times, but I wish Brooke and Jason would tour together!

I am so glad Brooke and Jason are NOT touring together. A few of my choices would be Serena Ryder, Carolina Liar, or Shinedown.