Comments on: Idol Headlines for 07/04/09 http://www.mjsbigblog.com/idol-headlines-for-070409.htm American Idol - I Love This Cheesy Show Fri, 10 Feb 2012 06:45:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: acs26 http://www.mjsbigblog.com/idol-headlines-for-070409.htm/comment-page-9/#comment-299120 acs26 Mon, 06 Jul 2009 03:01:05 +0000 http://mjsbigblog.com/idol-headlines-for-070409.htm#comment-299120 the reason why taylor hicks never been succesfull is due to the fact that he lacks star appeal and commercial appeal. he looks so old and his music is irrelevant. Actually here in asia american idol winners like kelly clarkson, jordin sparks and david cook along with adam lambert (whose song mad world is currently number 1 in china, phillipines,singapore, Malaysia and indonesia and the rest of southeast asia) dominates the chart. Adam is phonemal he can go whatever direction he likes and still be successful. idont get all the talks about him saying his not radio friendly where infact he is no.1 in every radio station here. the reason why taylor hicks never been succesfull is due to the fact that he lacks star appeal and commercial appeal. he looks so old and his music is irrelevant. Actually here in asia american idol winners like kelly clarkson, jordin sparks and david cook along with adam lambert (whose song mad world is currently number 1 in china, phillipines,singapore, Malaysia and indonesia and the rest of southeast asia) dominates the chart. Adam is phonemal he can go whatever direction he likes and still be successful. idont get all the talks about him saying his not radio friendly where infact he is no.1 in every radio station here.

]]> By: oceana http://www.mjsbigblog.com/idol-headlines-for-070409.htm/comment-page-8/#comment-299012 oceana Mon, 06 Jul 2009 01:35:05 +0000 http://mjsbigblog.com/idol-headlines-for-070409.htm#comment-299012 <blockquote>Absolutel no disparagement intended whatsoever for either Adam or Taylor. I think Adam is super talented' ¦.but I do think fans tend to get carried away.</blockquote> Sorry aek, I didn't even know who started the discussion, I just couldn't imagine why they were being compared, but I agree that fans get carried away sometimes. I think I did not really understand the gist of the debate so I will bow out of it.

Absolutel no disparagement intended whatsoever for either Adam or Taylor. I think Adam is super talented’ ¦.but I do think fans tend to get carried away.

Sorry aek, I didn’t even know who started the discussion, I just couldn’t imagine why they were being compared, but I agree that fans get carried away sometimes. I think I did not really understand the gist of the debate so I will bow out of it.

]]> By: iluvai http://www.mjsbigblog.com/idol-headlines-for-070409.htm/comment-page-8/#comment-299010 iluvai Mon, 06 Jul 2009 01:34:35 +0000 http://mjsbigblog.com/idol-headlines-for-070409.htm#comment-299010 Taylor was the most boring and annoying contestant ever! I could not stand him at all. Ugh. I'm still grossed out by him. Taylor was the most boring and annoying contestant ever! I could not stand him at all. Ugh. I’m still grossed out by him.

]]> By: oceana http://www.mjsbigblog.com/idol-headlines-for-070409.htm/comment-page-8/#comment-298997 oceana Mon, 06 Jul 2009 01:24:57 +0000 http://mjsbigblog.com/idol-headlines-for-070409.htm#comment-298997 Well I'll just say it again, several of the idols have had fervent fans, Taylor, Clay, Blake, Constantine, Bo, the two Davids, and Adam come to mind right away. Other than that, I see nothing in common between Adam and Taylor. Taylor danced and entertained a bit but it was mild compared to the spectacles that Adam comes up with. Also Adam has received unprecedented media attention and industry attention. It's not just fans excited about Adam, it's a whole lot of knowledgable people in the music industry and media. I'm not a big Adam fan, just kinda, but I think the attention he's getting is unprecedented and he has fewer detractors than I think Taylor, Clay, and Blake had, for instance. I really fail to see the basis for comparisons to Taylor but whatever. Well I’ll just say it again, several of the idols have had fervent fans, Taylor, Clay, Blake, Constantine, Bo, the two Davids, and Adam come to mind right away. Other than that, I see nothing in common between Adam and Taylor.

Taylor danced and entertained a bit but it was mild compared to the spectacles that Adam comes up with. Also Adam has received unprecedented media attention and industry attention. It’s not just fans excited about Adam, it’s a whole lot of knowledgable people in the music industry and media.

I’m not a big Adam fan, just kinda, but I think the attention he’s getting is unprecedented and he has fewer detractors than I think Taylor, Clay, and Blake had, for instance. I really fail to see the basis for comparisons to Taylor but whatever.

]]> By: lucy http://www.mjsbigblog.com/idol-headlines-for-070409.htm/comment-page-8/#comment-298966 lucy Sun, 05 Jul 2009 23:56:00 +0000 http://mjsbigblog.com/idol-headlines-for-070409.htm#comment-298966 <blockquote>I find most people on this site to be incredibly smart. So again, it shocks me to imagine Taylor and Adam receiving similar responses here.</blockquote> It's true. The last phenomenon similar to Adam I've seen on *this* blog was definitely Taylor. They both were going to "change the music industry." They both were "the new Elvis." ... The thing is, most really intense fandom is abmout who people fall in sexual love with, seems to me. (and most of it is sublimated, which makes it even stronger, lol!) People are speaking out of their own responses, and of course that doesn't say anything one way or that other about performer's actual commercial prospects, which depend on completely different stuff. You never know what's going to happen. Keeps it interesting.

I find most people on this site to be incredibly smart. So again, it shocks me to imagine Taylor and Adam receiving similar responses here.

It’s true. The last phenomenon similar to Adam I’ve seen on *this* blog was definitely Taylor. They both were going to “change the music industry.” They both were “the new Elvis.” …

The thing is, most really intense fandom is abmout who people fall in sexual love with, seems to me. (and most of it is sublimated, which makes it even stronger, lol!) People are speaking out of their own responses, and of course that doesn’t say anything one way or that other about performer’s actual commercial prospects, which depend on completely different stuff. You never know what’s going to happen. Keeps it interesting.

]]> By: lucy http://www.mjsbigblog.com/idol-headlines-for-070409.htm/comment-page-8/#comment-298961 lucy Sun, 05 Jul 2009 23:47:12 +0000 http://mjsbigblog.com/idol-headlines-for-070409.htm#comment-298961 <blockquote>Ok. I am in my early 30s but I like Adam because of the star qualities I already mentioned in this site. Adam may be actually on the advantage if he has fans who are in their 40's and above (as someone has mentioned) because these women belong to the earning class. They have money to spare for CDs and concerts.</blockquote> Didn't help Taylor. I have a feeling that, while the young tend to have less money, they tend to spend way higher percentages of their money on stuff like music, jeans, etc. While older people spend more, but it's on stuff like sofas, carpets, trips, mulch, SUVs, ect. Seems like we went through a lot of this conversation back in Season 5, and when you looked at the data, it appeared that, while everybody up through their 60s was buying music, teens and 20somethings were actually buying the most.

Ok. I am in my early 30s but I like Adam because of the star qualities I already mentioned in this site. Adam may be actually on the advantage if he has fans who are in their 40′s and above (as someone has mentioned) because these women belong to the earning class. They have money to spare for CDs and concerts.

Didn’t help Taylor.

I have a feeling that, while the young tend to have less money, they tend to spend way higher percentages of their money on stuff like music, jeans, etc. While older people spend more, but it’s on stuff like sofas, carpets, trips, mulch, SUVs, ect.

Seems like we went through a lot of this conversation back in Season 5, and when you looked at the data, it appeared that, while everybody up through their 60s was buying music, teens and 20somethings were actually buying the most.

]]> By: aek http://www.mjsbigblog.com/idol-headlines-for-070409.htm/comment-page-8/#comment-298779 aek Sun, 05 Jul 2009 20:12:55 +0000 http://mjsbigblog.com/idol-headlines-for-070409.htm#comment-298779 <blockquote>Correct me if I'm wrong, but when I read this thread yesterday I could have sworn the person that initially talked about the comparison between Adam and Taylor (was it aek?) was a big Adam fan. I thought he/she was just cautioning fans to temper their expectations a bit. So no disparagement intended, I don't think.</blockquote> Absolutel no disparagement intended whatsoever for either Adam or Taylor. I think Adam is super talented....but I do think fans tend to get carried away.

Correct me if I’m wrong, but when I read this thread yesterday I could have sworn the person that initially talked about the comparison between Adam and Taylor (was it aek?) was a big Adam fan. I thought he/she was just cautioning fans to temper their expectations a bit. So no disparagement intended, I don’t think.

Absolutel no disparagement intended whatsoever for either Adam or Taylor. I think Adam is super talented….but I do think fans tend to get carried away.

]]> By: Keel http://www.mjsbigblog.com/idol-headlines-for-070409.htm/comment-page-8/#comment-298640 Keel Sun, 05 Jul 2009 18:24:02 +0000 http://mjsbigblog.com/idol-headlines-for-070409.htm#comment-298640 <blockquote>No, I don't see the comparisons at all, except perhaps as a subtle way to try to disparage Adam and the expectations surrounding him. </blockquote> Correct me if I'm wrong, but when I read this thread yesterday I could have sworn the person that initially talked about the comparison between Adam and Taylor (was it aek?) was a big Adam fan. I thought he/she was just cautioning fans to temper their expectations a bit. So no disparagement intended, I don't think.

No, I don’t see the comparisons at all, except perhaps as a subtle way to try to disparage Adam and the expectations surrounding him.

Correct me if I’m wrong, but when I read this thread yesterday I could have sworn the person that initially talked about the comparison between Adam and Taylor (was it aek?) was a big Adam fan. I thought he/she was just cautioning fans to temper their expectations a bit. So no disparagement intended, I don’t think.

]]> By: lavender1960 http://www.mjsbigblog.com/idol-headlines-for-070409.htm/comment-page-8/#comment-298503 lavender1960 Sun, 05 Jul 2009 15:52:08 +0000 http://mjsbigblog.com/idol-headlines-for-070409.htm#comment-298503 Well said <strong>Valentin432</strong> A lot of artists who live outside of the US grew up on American music and were influenced by it - see the Beatles for example. I don't think they thought they had made it until they were accepted in the US, the ostensible birthplace of rock n roll. Same with Elton John. It isn't just the money or the size of the market, though that is important, but the history of music in the US. It's the challenge as much as anything else. I don't think Shakira needed to break the US market, she is a superstar in South America but she can say she did it. It's like Frank Sinatra says, if I can make it there, I can make it anywhere. PS I see someone posted sales figures for music but in terms of tour revenue potential, my feeling is it's the US baby. Why do you think AC/DC started their latest tour with North America - they filled huge stadium after huge stadium here on the first leg so came around for a second leg to do it again. Well said Valentin432 A lot of artists who live outside of the US grew up on American music and were influenced by it – see the Beatles for example. I don’t think they thought they had made it until they were accepted in the US, the ostensible birthplace of rock n roll. Same with Elton John. It isn’t just the money or the size of the market, though that is important, but the history of music in the US. It’s the challenge as much as anything else. I don’t think Shakira needed to break the US market, she is a superstar in South America but she can say she did it.

It’s like Frank Sinatra says, if I can make it there, I can make it anywhere.

PS I see someone posted sales figures for music but in terms of tour revenue potential, my feeling is it’s the US baby. Why do you think AC/DC started their latest tour with North America – they filled huge stadium after huge stadium here on the first leg so came around for a second leg to do it again.

]]> By: lavender1960 http://www.mjsbigblog.com/idol-headlines-for-070409.htm/comment-page-8/#comment-298492 lavender1960 Sun, 05 Jul 2009 15:30:19 +0000 http://mjsbigblog.com/idol-headlines-for-070409.htm#comment-298492 <strong>123abc456</strong> so true about even kids/siblings in the same family have different tastes in music. My mother had four kids in four years. But we all had and have very different taste in music so you can't even generalize about the young'uns. I liked disco and pop, my sister liked what was considered more alternative music then, my one brother always like Middle of the Road stuff adults liked at an early age and my other brother was the 100% heavy metal or die boy. Though all my nieces and nephews seem to be into the hip hop stuff, the nieces finally having outgrown Hillary Duff and Hannah Montana. Some new guy called Drake, a Canadian guy who is the new hot thing. But perhaps that will change in 5 years again. Yes another blackheart here, talking about Idol last night with some friends I haven't seen in a long time and the consensus was split on AL. 123abc456 so true about even kids/siblings in the same family have different tastes in music. My mother had four kids in four years. But we all had and have very different taste in music so you can’t even generalize about the young’uns. I liked disco and pop, my sister liked what was considered more alternative music then, my one brother always like Middle of the Road stuff adults liked at an early age and my other brother was the 100% heavy metal or die boy.

Though all my nieces and nephews seem to be into the hip hop stuff, the nieces finally having outgrown Hillary Duff and Hannah Montana. Some new guy called Drake, a Canadian guy who is the new hot thing. But perhaps that will change in 5 years again.

Yes another blackheart here, talking about Idol last night with some friends I haven’t seen in a long time and the consensus was split on AL.

]]> By: hicksaholic http://www.mjsbigblog.com/idol-headlines-for-070409.htm/comment-page-8/#comment-298457 hicksaholic Sun, 05 Jul 2009 14:48:57 +0000 http://mjsbigblog.com/idol-headlines-for-070409.htm#comment-298457 flicker, not sure if your nevermind was directed at me but my last comment was very tongue in cheek in case you didn't appreciate my sarcastic sense of humor. flicker,
not sure if your nevermind was directed at me but my last comment was very tongue in cheek in case you didn’t appreciate my sarcastic sense of humor.

]]> By: lulwut http://www.mjsbigblog.com/idol-headlines-for-070409.htm/comment-page-8/#comment-298452 lulwut Sun, 05 Jul 2009 14:45:12 +0000 http://mjsbigblog.com/idol-headlines-for-070409.htm#comment-298452 Why only Taylor and Adam? How quickly people forgot Blake was a fantastic performer on the show and was going to sell 5 million albums? He was going into the electro/dance/pop thing too. They even shared the same age! I guess these three have something in common in that they are all novelty acts and very different for the show. Why only Taylor and Adam? How quickly people forgot Blake was a fantastic performer on the show and was going to sell 5 million albums? He was going into the electro/dance/pop thing too. They even shared the same age! I guess these three have something in common in that they are all novelty acts and very different for the show.

]]> By: oceana http://www.mjsbigblog.com/idol-headlines-for-070409.htm/comment-page-8/#comment-298439 oceana Sun, 05 Jul 2009 14:11:45 +0000 http://mjsbigblog.com/idol-headlines-for-070409.htm#comment-298439 I've watched every year, and while I didn't always read this board, I read a lot of other boards, and yes, most years there were OTT fans excited for their favorites, yes there was a lot of enthusiasm for Taylor, and also for Clay, Kelly, Blake, the two Davids, Michael Johns, etc. I don't get the comparisons to Taylor in particular. Taylor danced and was entertaining, but never did he put on hug shows like Adam did, and Taylor never had the widespread media enthusiasm that Adam has generated. Taylor always had detractors among fans, viewers, and the media, especially from those who thought Daughtry should have won. Taylor never had the overall high expectations of superstardom and wild success that are predicted for Adam. No, I don't see the comparisons at all, except perhaps as a subtle way to try to disparage Adam and the expectations surrounding him. And when it comes to Clay, while he had fervent fans, he also had a lot of scorn in the media and from non-fans. And while there was some excitement for Blake, there was also derision about his beat-boxing and the excitement was not far-reaching. While there was excitement for other Idols, like for David Cook, I don't think I've ever seen the level of media expectation and excitement for anyone as I'm seeing for Adam. To me as a viewer, this media sensation that is Adam is unprecedented, and there is not the scorn and amusement that existed for Clay and Taylor. People really, really expect Adam to be a superstar, including many in the industry and the media, so I think this level of excitement is new to Idol and will be interesting to see how it all plays out. I’ve watched every year, and while I didn’t always read this board, I read a lot of other boards, and yes, most years there were OTT fans excited for their favorites, yes there was a lot of enthusiasm for Taylor, and also for Clay, Kelly, Blake, the two Davids, Michael Johns, etc.

I don’t get the comparisons to Taylor in particular. Taylor danced and was entertaining, but never did he put on hug shows like Adam did, and Taylor never had the widespread media enthusiasm that Adam has generated. Taylor always had detractors among fans, viewers, and the media, especially from those who thought Daughtry should have won. Taylor never had the overall high expectations of superstardom and wild success that are predicted for Adam.

No, I don’t see the comparisons at all, except perhaps as a subtle way to try to disparage Adam and the expectations surrounding him. And when it comes to Clay, while he had fervent fans, he also had a lot of scorn in the media and from non-fans. And while there was some excitement for Blake, there was also derision about his beat-boxing and the excitement was not far-reaching.

While there was excitement for other Idols, like for David Cook, I don’t think I’ve ever seen the level of media expectation and excitement for anyone as I’m seeing for Adam. To me as a viewer, this media sensation that is Adam is unprecedented, and there is not the scorn and amusement that existed for Clay and Taylor. People really, really expect Adam to be a superstar, including many in the industry and the media, so I think this level of excitement is new to Idol and will be interesting to see how it all plays out.

]]> By: flicker http://www.mjsbigblog.com/idol-headlines-for-070409.htm/comment-page-8/#comment-298437 flicker Sun, 05 Jul 2009 13:57:02 +0000 http://mjsbigblog.com/idol-headlines-for-070409.htm#comment-298437 nevermind, probably not a good idea. nevermind, probably not a good idea.

]]> By: hicksaholic http://www.mjsbigblog.com/idol-headlines-for-070409.htm/comment-page-8/#comment-298435 hicksaholic Sun, 05 Jul 2009 13:47:51 +0000 http://mjsbigblog.com/idol-headlines-for-070409.htm#comment-298435 Interesting Taylor/Adam talk. I agree both are "visual performers". Translating that visual performing talent into cd sales may or may not happen. So far Taylor has not had the massive success(at least not in cd sales) that others have had. It remains to be seen if Adam will be more successful. I believe it will depend on the label's support. I think Taylor had a tough road because in addition to his genre of music not being currently popular, I think he was pretty adamant about his music selections. I think there was likely compromise but I believe it was likely after much head banging with TPTB(just my opinion based on what I have read over the last few years). I think if the label had fully supported Taylor and he had gotten radioplay his Cd sales would have been greater. If Adam has their support I don't think he will have a problem. I agree with aek- lots of similarities between Taylor and Adam post AI discussion on MJ's. I also agree that Taylor puts on one incredible live show(I have been to more than I should admit to) and if you get a chance go see him live(the tickets aren't terribly expensive these days). And if you haven't seen him live I don't think you can imagine how good he might be. I like to hope I am an intelligent Taylor fan. If we measure it in education I've got my MBA and my CPA. Should we compare ACT scores? Interesting Taylor/Adam talk.

I agree both are “visual performers”. Translating that visual performing talent into cd sales may or may not happen. So far Taylor has not had the massive success(at least not in cd sales) that others have had. It remains to be seen if Adam will be more successful. I believe it will depend on the label’s support. I think Taylor had a tough road because in addition to his genre of music not being currently popular, I think he was pretty adamant about his music selections. I think there was likely compromise but I believe it was likely after much head banging with TPTB(just my opinion based on what I have read over the last few years). I think if the label had fully supported Taylor and he had gotten radioplay his Cd sales would have been greater. If Adam has their support I don’t think he will have a problem.

I agree with aek- lots of similarities between Taylor and Adam post AI discussion on MJ’s.

I also agree that Taylor puts on one incredible live show(I have been to more than I should admit to) and if you get a chance go see him live(the tickets aren’t terribly expensive these days). And if you haven’t seen him live I don’t think you can imagine how good he might be.

I like to hope I am an intelligent Taylor fan. If we measure it in education I’ve got my MBA and my CPA. Should we compare ACT scores?

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