Idol Headlines for 06/29/09

Hmmm. Did the hackers make all the Idol headlines today boring? I didn’t feel the desire to click on and read any of those.

lol, washpd. I couldn’t bring myself to click on any of the links, too … but never ocurred to me to blame the hackers.

Clearly, they are responsible! To be fair, I probably would have read the article about Janet at the BET Awards, but I watched it last night.

Anyway, I guess there just wasn’t much Idol news this morning.

Wow, Archie got trashed in that review. Hope he doesn’t read it.

Will-

I am sure David would not take that review seriously. It is a complete joke by someone who just wants to hate David. I have read so many great reviews. If this wasn’t so over the top negative, I might have believed that his opinion was honest.

Although David’s fans have been willing to give Demi a chance and the benefit of the doubt, Demi has been sorely disappointing– losing her voice after only a couple of songs, forgetting words on many songs. She just isn’t ready for her own tour. David has only gotten better and stronger with every tour.

I still think David is benefitting from the tour and gaining new fans, but I think the mouse overestimated this young lady.

nhd posted this in the David Cook Billie Jean thread, but since it will soon disappear off the front page, I hope she doesn’t mind if I re-post here as well.

Billie Jean from Belly Up in Aspen

LOL, if Archie shouldn’t read the Boston.com review, Demi really shouldn’t read the comment thread to that article… Ouch. Angry Archies are not your friends, Demi.

Well, since these headlines aren’t too exciting, let’s check out twitterworld:

Kris:

#Workin on a killa song right now. It’s the hot diggity#about 16 hours ago from TwitterFon

(I think Kris meant that it’s the bomb diggity, not the hot diggity — but not sure!)

Danny:

#Just arrived in Nashville!!! Have 2 meetings tomorrow…..and by the way….they have nothing to do with Sophia’s Heart Foundation! =)#about 16 hours ago from web

(maybe we will hear something about him signing a record deal soon?)

Scott:

#Hung out in Redondo Beach today..went to the carnival and checked out the waves:)#about 15 hours ago from txt

(Hey, I was down the beach in Redondo yesterday too! — didn’t see Scott, though. Oh well)

Michael:

#Having a great day hanging out with my wife and some other family at Disney Land.#about 18 hours ago from TwitterFon

(man, these Idols sure seem to like Disneyland! several of them have tweeted about going there. nice that Michael’s family has been able to come out to L.A. to see him — it must be so hard for him and Lil and Megan to be away from their little kids)

Matt:

#Just got done with with dinner with the fam..It’s been great seeing everyone but I’m about to pass out of exhaustion. haha need sleep.#about 14 hours ago from web

(hope Matt is able to get some R&R while he’s home in Michigan — probably won’t get too much once tour starts!)

No tweets from Adam, but Perez Hilton reported he was at the Adele concert at the Hollywood Bowl last night. I was actually thinking about going to that concert myself! Instead I stayed home and watched the BET Awards. Oh well — just like I didn’t see Scott walking along the strand in Redondo, I probably wouldn’t have seen Adam at the concert either. Hollywood Bowl is pretty huge, with lots and lots and lots of people at the concerts usually.

Why do I think the next few days will be pretty slow, Idol newswise?

Thanks EmmaJK, it was nice to click on something on this page. heehee. Very nice!!

ETA: The new edit thing is interesting. I like knowing how long I have to edit something.

This is a great article on the top 10. The writer actually gets at least one qoute from all ten of them.

http://www.ocregister.com/articles/says-idol-allen-2476784-sing-tour

I was over at Amazon looking at the continued domination of Michael Jackson, when I happened upon an ad for Adam Lambert’s anticipated 2009 album. The cover art is the pic from the No Boundaries single, and there’s a place to sign up to be notified when it becomes available.

Thinking this was like last year with Cook and Archie, I clicked on the album and signed up. But then I scrolled down and saw this under product information:

# Audio CD
# Label: Wilshire Records
# ASIN: B0020MMDBA

What’s up with that? Is this like when someone, unknown to Cook, last year “released” his Analog Heart on Amazon? Can anyone just up and post something on Amazon?

It had a place for suggested edits, so I made one and gave the RCA artists’ page as reference. But I have to say it freaked me out a little. I thought HiFi only planned to go digital through iTunes, not hardcopy CD through other outlets. And I didn’t think they could use current images of Adam, presumably shot for 19/RCA?

I’ve been out of town. Is this old news?

Danny:

#Just arrived in Nashville!!! Have 2 meetings tomorrow’ ¦..and by the way’ ¦.they have nothing to do with Sophia’s Heart Foundation! =)#about 16 hours ago from web

Stupid moron…..contract negotiations should never be made public before the fact. Let’s hope they turn out positive so that the guy doesn’t spend the tour with egg on his face!

LOL, if Archie shouldn’t read the Boston.com review, Demi really shouldn’t read the comment thread to that article’ ¦ Ouch. Angry Archies are not your friends, Demi.

Have you read the latest comments? Someone mentioned the reviewer is supposedly aquainted with MJ, so now they’re saying MJ doesn’t like Archie or his fans, and had some kind of influence on the article! And now they’re bringing this site getting hacked yesterday into it, and suggesting that MJ suspects an Archie fan or something. It’s really strange.

ETA: The timer is interesting. Very cool. I always wondered how long we had to edit.

^^^Oh wow, that’s just crazy!

Ace Young is getting married:

http://www.dailyrecord.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=2009906280308

weareallinnocent – If you have a particular kind of account on amazon, you CAN put in anything you want to sell, so it is likely a third party seller. I sell there all the time, but I do not have one of those accounts.

I saw that victoria… and rolled my eyes.. thats was just the stupidest thing.. aside from the article itself of course lol

Ace Young is getting married:

http://www.dailyrecord.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=2009906280308

Ace is getting married and that’s all the mention he gets?!!?! Not even a picture?

Have you read the latest comments? Someone mentioned the reviewer is supposedly aquainted with MJ, so now they’re saying MJ doesn’t like Archie or his fans, and had some kind of influence on the article!

Haven’t seen that one, Victoria, when I was in it there were just a bunch of your regular superfan comments, calling the reviewer a hack and bashing Demi along the way… Sounds like it got more interesting since.

The new edit thing is interesting. I like knowing how long I have to edit something.

Really? It freaks me out. I hate being on a clock, and I hate timers counting down. Brings back some of the tests I did recently, applying for my M.S. degree.

The Washington Post has a nice profile of Fantasia today. She’s going to be starring in the Color Purple at the Kennedy Center beginning tomorrow.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/06/28/AR2009062802763.html

Someone mentioned the reviewer is supposedly aquainted with MJ, so now they’re saying MJ doesn’t like Archie or his fans, and had some kind of influence on the article!

Alright, I’m game…I’ll comment on this one. The reason I left the David A. fan boards (and I’ll lump all of them together for this comment) is that ABSOLUTELY no negativism of David A. is “allowed” by the majority of the commenters. And these some commenters become just as easily upset if any other comment blog sites feel it appropriate to discuss David A. in any other light but wholly positive.

I, for one, both praise and criticize David. And sometimes for exactly the same incident. I think this whole Demi Lovato tour is an absolute joke and that David and his peeps made a tremendous error in allowing it to occur. And everyone can spin it anyway they like but it is not “helping” David gain good cred, IMHO. And the more David’s fans belittle Demi and her singing while insisting that David is actually the “star” of the tour the more other’s will choose to defend her, for their own personal reasons. It’s called human nature.

Conspiracy theories will always be front and center with fans when they aren’t reading what they think they should be reading. For me, David has been performing the same “stuff” for months now…and because the fan base has been inundating the internet with every whisper of David, for me the stuff is really getting old. I thought the songs were mediocre on his album and no matter how many times he sings them, they just don’t get better. Not his fault, entirely, it is what it is.

LOL at the MJ conspiracy theories! I suppose I should comment in the Boston Globe thread, but the accusation that MJ doesn’t post positive reviews of DA is absurd. She posted a very over-the-top positive review of his Del Mar concert.

When fans reside in fansites, it can be a bit difficult to accept that some sites aren’t fansites and post the negative along with the positive (or at least, allow criticism and realism to be expressed). For that reason, this blog will always be regarded by the fuperfans as negatively slanted towards their favorite – because when you’re used to seeing everything through rose colored glasses and surround yourself with other like-minded fans, a non-biased approach seems terribly negative by comparison.

Just my take on it.

So check this out. This reporter from the Seattle Times is going to the tour opener at Portland Sunday and promises lots of coverage — tweets, videos, interviews and a review. Sweet!

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/confessionsofanidoladdict/2009395147_check_back_next_sunday_for_ido.html

I just don’t think there is such a think as a “neutral” review. Reviewers, like all people, have opinions and those opinions are inevitably reflected in their work. The difference is that some reviewers are better at appearing neutral. In the case of the Boston Globe reviewer, the facts just get in the way of any semblance of neutrality. The fact is that Demi Lovato admitted herself that she was losing her voice, the fact is that she could not sing one of her songs during the concert and had to rely on the audience and was on the verge of tears, and the fact is that she forgot the lines to another one of her songs. It is not a criticism to point out these facts. It is possible that despite all this the reviewer believed that Demi Lovato was the better performer that night because David Archuleta waved (awkwardly) or seemed to “eager” (whatever that means). However, if he is going to express this opinion, he should very much expect to be called on it. In no way am I a “crazed” Archuleta fan.

from Miami Herald review:

Winning only means you have to sing the cheesy pop song Idol producers scrounge up for you.

sometimes it really does mean that. I’m always confused why they saddle their potentially new money makers with horrible songs …

^^ Sometimes it does… but the reviewer brings Brooke White, Michael Johns and Melinda Doolittle to exemplify how winning doesn’t count. To me, that cuts down his argument – those three are some of the also-rans whose career could have benefitted greatly from the exposure and support a winner gets. Now if his examples were Daughtry and Adam, that’s a different story…

I am sure David would not take that review seriously. It is a complete joke by someone who just wants to hate David. I have read so many great reviews. If this wasn’t so over the top negative, I might have believed that his opinion was honest.

Although David’s fans have been willing to give Demi a chance and the benefit of the doubt, Demi has been sorely disappointing’“ losing her voice after only a couple of songs, forgetting words on many songs. She just isn’t ready for her own tour. David has only gotten better and stronger with every tour.

I still think David is benefiting from the tour and gaining new fans, but I think the mouse overestimated this young lady.

As much as it pains me to say this, I caught that same show on Saturday night in Philly, and that reviewer pretty much sums up my reaction to the whole thing. Based on comments I’d read here at mj’s, I was expecting David to upstage the “headliner,” but he most definitely did not.

By the time Demi and David arrived in the City of Brotherly Love, they BOTH were suffering from vocal strain. Demi, nonetheless, put on a very entertaining show. I wish I could say the same about David. I really like the kid, and I was impressed with him when we saw him on the Idols tour last year, but he was very lackluster on Saturday night. His vocals were not impressive, and his stage presence consists of an “aw shucks” earnestness that, while endearing in small amounts, becomes incredibly boring after a while. He introduced nearly every song pretty much the same way: “The next song is about…” The only number of David’s that really stood out for me was “Zero Gravity.” He sounded good on the song and really seemed to come alive as a performer. It’s too bad it was at the end of his 40-minute set.

I gotta believe this was not one of David’s better performances, because if this is typical, then I seriously don’t think he’s going to have a lot of longevity as a solo performer. I choose to assume that a combination of heat, fatigue and his family issues resulted in a less-than-stellar performance. But I don’t think the Boston reviewer was OTT at all, not if the show he reviewed was anything like mine.

Jackson’s mother has filed for guardianship of Michael’s kids.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090629/ap_on_en_mu/us_michael_jackson

I am calling it- the person who wrote that article about Michael Johns is going to eat their words about Jason Castro some day. I think Jason has more potential than Johns and White combined. He also has a major contract. He reminds me of Augustana.

^ I agree. I like Brooke, but I can’t see her or Michael having any kind of mainstream success. Jason, on the other hand, I can.

Haven’t seen that one, Victoria, when I was in it there were just a bunch of your regular superfan comments, calling the reviewer a hack and bashing Demi along the way’ ¦ Sounds like it got more interesting since.

Yeah, it looked like a bunch of fans bashing the reviewer at first, but then someone made a comment about MJ and they ran with it. Fandom is a strange thing.

Alright, I’m game’ ¦I’ll comment on this one. The reason I left the David A. fan boards (and I’ll lump all of them together for this comment) is that ABSOLUTELY no negativism of David A. is ‘allowed’  by the majority of the commenters. And these some commenters become just as easily upset if any other comment blog sites feel it appropriate to discuss David A. in any other light but wholly positive.

ITA with your whole comment, especially this part. I remember from lurking on IDF last year (I hadn’t discovered MJ’s yet), someone commented that they didn’t like Touch My Hand and they basically were told to leave the board altogether because they weren’t a real fan. I like David, but I’m also going to criticize him. He definately has some things performance-wise he needs to improve on.

That’s too bad Bootstar that you felt that way, but you sound sincere. I am not surprised since you were never a DA fan. I think it is just the language that the writer uses and the fact that he has never liked David Archuleta and has favored Cook that makes his review not very credible. Most of David’s concert reviews have been very favorable, even by people who were not prior fans.

I hope MJ continues to be fair and put the good articles as well as the occasional bad one.

Deleted since the post I was referring to about selling Michael Jackson stuff was deleted.

wow. slow news day indeed. i clicked on the miami herald link, but only because it included a review of Incubus

thanks for the twitter updates girlygirl.

Anyone here have any thoughts on why there are more group numbers this year than last on the AI tour?

Album preview of Daughtry’s “Leave This Town”:

http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B002F4IVSM/ref=sr_f2_album_5_rd?ie=UTF8&child=B002F4F112&qid=1246295890&sr=102-5

I read the Boston Globe review and while I disagree with some of it, it’s this writers’ opinion and he’s entitled to it. No performer gets 100% positive reviews and that’s the most negative one for David in a long time, and the reviewer wasn’t completely dismissive of him, imo. I wonder if he knows David conceptualized and co-wrote his two favorite performances (Zero Gravity and Don’t Let Go). That means he sees potential in David even if he’s not a fan of him overall. Yay for that at least. lol

I refuse to read or get into the comments on that site because I’m sure it looks like every comment section of an Idol fave who gets dissed in an article. Yawn. Though I’m disappointed if they’re taking it out on Dem. Then again, there are people who really don’t like Demi’s performance style. I actually do from the little I’ve seen and do see potential in her as well. Her favorite Idol actually is Kelly Clarkson so I can see how she’d try to emulate her in concert. I also hope she gets better because she is not feeling well and even said so again last night.

David has been touring consistently since last Summer and he’s won over a lot of folks, who didn’t like him on Idol or never heard of him before. I always like reading those accounts. It’s not as fun reading the ones who weren’t sold but that’s life. No performer is without their detractors and non-fans. Not David A or C and not even the King of Pop.

Bootstar sorry it didnt live up to what maybe you were expecting but I do hope you had a decent time at the concert.

Just wondering about the vocal strain thing though, because at least according to the vids and some other peeps he has been sounding really good. Having watched quite a few vids he didnt sound strained in the least to me. Especially since he hasnt been sick so far on tour. He wont go for high notes alot of times when its strained. lol

But his voice has changed a bit since the idol tour, for anyone that hasnt kept up with him.

Alright, I’m game’ ¦I’ll comment on this one. The reason I left the David A. fan boards (and I’ll lump all of them together for this comment) is that ABSOLUTELY no negativism of David A. is ‘allowed’  by the majority of the commenters.

I honestly believe that it’s like that at just about every fan site. Don’t EVER try offering “objective” opinion or analysis about David Cook, his career, his sales, his singles etc. over at DCO. Trust me. And I have no doubt that you’ll find that the same will hold true, in time, at Adam Lambert fanboards.

As for that Archie review– ouch! I believe the reviewer Marc Hirsh is the same one individual who reviews Idol for MSNBC (and I think he used to post on TWOP, if I’m thinking of the right person). Anyway, I don’t recall him ever particularly disliking David before.

Oh well, it’s only one bad review. There have been others which praised him and trashed Demi. But, reading the comments sections– man, haven’t seen the Angry Archies stirred up like that in a while. Good, to know they’re still alive and kicking!

That’s too bad Bootstar that you felt that way, but you sound sincere. I am not surprised since you were never a DA fan.

That’s not actually true. I was an Archuleta fan at the beginning of last season, but I lost interest in him because I never felt he lived up to all the hype, and his performances just didn’t do it for me. (Mind you, I’ve bought a LOT of his music for my son.) He’s somebody I really wish would have waited until he was 21 or 22 to audition for Idol. I think the extra years would have served him well: He could have completed his education, given his vocal cords time to heal more fully, matured personally and artistically, and avoided the whole tweenie genre.

There are some teen singers and musicians I believe have been ready to go professional (Marketa Irglova and Sarah Jarosz were each ready at 17, IMHO), but I think they are the exceptions not the rule.

Like it or not, David is competing in the real world now, and I’m not sure he can live up to all the uberfan-generated hype (not referring to you, LK09). He’s such a sweet and talented kid, and I’m sure nobody is harder on him that he is himself, but I still feel that he could use more time. Unfortunately, it’s too late for that.

ETA: I think Allison Iraheta was also ready to compete on Idol. I do think that most young women are more fully formed at 16 or 17 than most young guys are, not that waiting a couple of years would have been a bad thing for Allison either.

Yeah, reviews are always a little prejudiced. From youtube clips I see of David and Demi, they both seem good though I do think it should have been a co-headlining thing just to bring in a bigger audience. I like Demi though- she has a lot of potential, but at this stage, she should still be opening for other acts.

As for the Seattle times that someone gave a link to above, I’m surprised that the reviewer will attempt to rank each performer. He/she better be prepared for a lot of hate mail when people’s favorite is not number 1. haha.. but as always, their own prejudices come into play in things like that so it’ll be good to take it with a grain of salt.

It’s ok Boostar. I appreciate your sincere opinion.

I have so much faith in David Archuleta as an artist and have been impressed with how much he has grown since AI that I expect someday he just might live up to your expectations.

Remember Bailey Brown? The blonde 16 yr old girl that sang country a few seasons back and was dropped during HOllywood week because she forgot the words and NIgel said he hoped she came back next year? Hot Dish at CMT. com mentions her today.

“There are a couple of blonde gals now signed at Universal South Records. One is Bailey Brown and the other is Ashley Ray. “

I’ve read lots of good reviews for DA here so I can’t see why any psycho fan would be attacking this as an anti-DA site. A review is an opinion and that’s it.

My gut feeling is when they have a season where the “lesser” Idols aren’t stellar or have a ton of fans, they do more group numbers. When they have a season, where many of them are strong/have lots of fans, they do more individual sets. But that’s just a guess.

I guess we just have to wait and see if David A. will succeed in the music world. I for one will be one of his uberfans… not ashamed of it either. Love Love Love the kid and the awe shucks demeanor. Wish more artists were as humble and without guile as David.

As for being to late for having more time IMO all he has is time. I believe that he will improve with age.

Oh and for the MJ conspiracy had to laugh at that. I believe that MJ is very fair here and doesn’t play games. So got a kick out of that.

noctem, oh i found his boston.com review for the idol tour that the same guy wrote up.

“Runner-up David Archuleta, meanwhile, acknowledged his own overearnestness by introducing Josh Groban’s “When You Say You Love Me” as “one of those message songs that I like to do.” Unfortunately, he then sang it, thus negating his self-awareness.”

dunno if it indeed is the same dude or not.. lol
(i mean the same dude that wrote for msnbc or twop)

I honestly believe that it’s like that at just about every fan site.

Can’t believe I’m saying this but WORD. Going on as if Archuleta’s fanase are the only Idol fanbase extremely vocal in their defense when a person or group is negative, derogatory or appears to be taking advantage of their fave is silly. ALL the Idol fans of any Idol do it. And yeah, I feel MJ is one of the MOST fair and balanced and complete American Idol sites on the Internet. She posts the good and the bad and the middle ground. She’s been very fair to Archie and all the other Idols. I’ still don’t want to read the comments section but it sucks someone is posting that rumor.

I like Demi though- she has a lot of potential, but at this stage, she should still be opening for other acts.

I would have said the same thing, AC, and I do think her people would be wise to book her in smaller venues, but she had about 5,000 little girls (some of whom were actually her age!) eating out of her hand at the Mann Center. Her band was also very good, so the whole “experience” was very fun. Demi also came across as sincerely touched by the reaction and support and is a very likeable young woman, IMO, and I don’t suffer fools gladly, I can assure you!

I have so much faith in David Archuleta as an artist and have been impressed with how much he has grown since AI that I expect someday, he might just live up to your expectations.

Oh, I sincerely hope you’re right, LK09. Nothing would make me happier. I may not be a huge fan of his singing at this point, but I love the kid immensely.

*sigh* guess I wont get my happy news dose form here today…and acording to MJs rules I know that ´s fine… no body ´s fault…oh well -_-

I ´m sure by this time David is so used to getting criticized he will probably will laugh at the gold thing…

This is just for those interested in the minutiae of David Cook’s pre-Idol music. Last week in Tulsa Phil Marshall opened for David Cook at the Cain’s Ballroom and he performed a song that he and David Cook supposedly wrote together –
Love on Repeat – http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AjOE7FswxBE

Music reviewers all have their own opinions, likes and dislikes, just like anyone else. Has any musician ever received nothing but positive reviews? Somehow I doubt it. David A will be fine, as long as he continues to grow as an artist. He should be able to shrug off a negative review or two without any problems, I would think. My question about him is more about his fanbase, which — IMO — seems very heavily tween (maybe I’m wrong, but that’s my impression). Tweens seem more fickle than adult fans in terms of sticking with or dropping the entertainers they follow. Is David A going to be able to sustain and/or grow his fanbase as he gets older?

Going on as if Archuleta’s fanase are the only Idol fanbase extremely vocal in their defense when a person or group is negative, derogatory or appears to be taking advantage of their fave is silly. ALL the Idol fans of any Idol do it.

But, I think Tess’s point is that she actually is a fan of Archie, but she wanted to feel completely free to express her honest opinions at Archie boards about him, even if those at times included criticisms. But, the other posters at these sites made her feel like she could not comfortably do this, and so she was driven away.

At most forums, there will be a subset of posters who take it upon themselves to be the purveyors of what opinions are and are not appropriate to express. At “fan forums”, this “pack” will typically take on the form of being the “positivity police”. They have code words and phrases– such as accusing the person of “angsting” or promoting “conspiracy theories”– that they use to communicate to the offending poster that their views are unwelcome, if they don’t come out and say so outright.

I believe Tess is an Adam Lambert fan (Tess, you can correct me if I’m wrong). Unfortunately, I think she’ll eventually have similar experiences at his forums. It’s just an inherent feature of the social dynamics of fan sites.

Anyway, this phenomena is different than what you seem to be describing which is when fans rise up in defense of their Idol against an “outsider”, such as a concert reviewer who is perceived to be hostile….

It is a complete joke by someone who just wants to hate David.

Why do you think it’s a joke? It is not a positive review, but I don’t see hate there and I don’t find it a joke. At least the reviewer is talking about something they saw and not speculating and criticizing something they have not experienced. For that I don’t believe it’s a joke.
I think it’s very natural not everyone will like the way David approaches his performances and not everyone will love his stage presence. But it’s like that with every performer. And artists know they’ll never get 100% positive comments.
The only video I’ve seen of Demi is the one of her falling, and she didn’t sound bad and didn’t seem awkward. I like her voice more than Miley’s.

But, I think Tess’s point is that she actually is a fan of Archie, but she wanted to feel completely free to express her honest opinions about him, even if that at time included criticisms. But, the other posters at these sites made her feel like she could not comfortably do this, and so she was driven away.

I kind of knew that since she’s posted about it several times.

I’m just saying I agree with your point that it’s no different if you’re that type of fan who likes to dwell on the negative on a David Cook fansite or an Adam site or a Kris site and so on. For the most part, there’s an overall cheerleading mentality at fansites and they do not like rain on their parade. I even understand that to an extent. That’s why sites like this one, where you’re allowed to say you don’t like something about how your fave’s career is going and go into extensive, repetitive rants about it, is a more comfortable place to post at if you’re an opiionated (which they might take as being “Debbie Downer”) type of fan.

whoa weareallinnocent how many fans not in the know would get caught by that, they are already taking preorders on Amazon???? Shut my mouth. It wouldn’t just be an Amazon mistake though would it?

Leome- It is a joke to me.

…and I agree with those who say that fan sites often don’t allow for any negativity or discussion of concerns about an artist. I guess those who want to never discuss anything should stay on those sites only. There is a place for that.

It’s Standard Operating Procedure for the fanbases to want positive news 24/7.I was an Archie fan his season but not enough to follow him much post Idol. So his fans may be worse/better than others. I really don’t know.

I have checked out the numbers thread on David Cook’s official site because it has great links and I’m pretty sure that comments that aren’t all rainbows and puppy dogs are unwelcome as well. Again, that’s just a quick first impression.

It’s very tough for Idol fanbases to deal with negativity which kind of makes all the official sites/total fan sites so boring and this place much more fun. I think in the end all the positivity just turns your brain to mush.

One also has to keep in mind that with any tour, every night is not going to be the same, well it would be boring if it was, the venue, the crowd make a difference, a great crowd can feed the energy of a tired band or artist, and, some nights everything magically gels, other nights, either one of the acts or both have off nights, people get sick, voices are strained or almost go completely, add on technical glitches and delays – even the very best and road tested bands in the world have off nights and it sucks and of course you know that is the night that there is a reviewer in the crowd.

I remember when U2 has decided to televise one of their concerts on one of their tours on a major network. Well Bono had the mother of all colds [ he had been fine before and he was fine after the concert] but you know, the show must go on but man that was painful to watch.

I saw the same band three times in one week – mad I know but in three very different venues, small, medium and large, different seating and the vibe was different each and every night and I preferred the vibe in medium and small, though it was exciting in the large venue but I think the band was uptight in the large venue for a variety of reasons and being in the front row, I could see this. Sometimes front row not so good. Ignorance is bliss.

“”"”For the most part, there’s an overall cheerleading mentality at fansites and they do not like rain on their parade. I even understand that to an extent. That’s why sites like this one, where you’re allowed to say you don’t like something about how your fave’s career is going and go into extensive, repetitive rants about it, is a more comfortable place to post at if you’re a Debbie Downer type of fan.”"”"

Well, once again, I don’t want to speak for Tess, but I doubt she would characterize herself as a “Debbie Downer type of fan”. She’s probably just a sincere fan who likes to express her honest opinions about her fave in different aspects, whether those opinions happen to be positive, negative, or in-between.

Both Phil Marshall and David Cook have acknowledged working on “Love on Repeat” so I don’t think this is “supposedly”. I also think that if you are in the public eye, you had better have thick skin, because not everyone is going to like what you do. So had the “fans”. Not everyone will agree with you. Music is subjective and just because you may like a song or artist, that doesn’t mean everyone will.

BTW- that amazon thing IS from Amazon– not a third party person. I recall that they did the same thing for Cook and Archuleta- just not so soon after AI.

They also have one for Kris Allen. It is a good idea to get people who are interested to sign up.

Well, once again, I don’t want to speak for Tess, but I doubt she would characterize herself as a ‘Debbie Downer type of fan’ . She’s probably just a sincere fan who likes to express her honest opinions about her fave in different aspects, whether those opinions happen to be positive, negative, or in-between.

I agree with that. I said the “other” members of the fanabse might characterize an opinionated fan who has reservations about stuff as being a “Debbie Downer.” Not that she is necessarily. That’s subjective. I’m sure you both have legit concerns that deserve to be addressed and I’m glad we have neutral sites where we can feel more at liberty to have a good discussion about those concerns.

Well if it is an official fansite I think part of the rationale against negativism is that the artist could be reading this and they might be hurt and actually some artists do read their fansites or at least their official fansites and some do get huffy or hurt about the negative stuff – after all the big bad world takes enough snipes at these people so fansites should be warm cozy sanctuaries. An Idol site is different than the fansite of an Idol and when you aren’t the total Pollyanna Kumbaya type, as I am, it is tough. I just assume the artists aren’t paying attention and if they are, well I wasn’t expecting to meet them anyway.

MJ really covers the reality TV gamut with a special emphasis on AI.

Then you have TWOP which purports to ban fangirly type behaviour, selectively I would say, ehem, to the point of stupidity when they banned use of the term Mavid. I take it Kradam is also verboten? When those terms make an official dictionary I hope to send it TWOP in a frame or something.

Sorry, I haven’t noticed this posted before so I hope it is new. It’s the press release about the AI compilation album. Usual stuff, but it explains some of the backstory/history for some of the songs which I thought was kind of interesting:

Press Release: American Idol album featuring Adam Lambert and Kris Allen sold exclusively at Walmart

I thought the following reveal was especially interesting:

Admittedly not a fan of disco music, Kris wasn’t very happy when his friend Adam Lambert suggested “disco” as a theme for Season 8. But Kris found a song he liked, with lyrics that told a story, and turned Donna Summer’s pulsating 1983 hit into an acoustic masterpiece.

Is that an Idol first? Remember the glee in Simon’s voice when he told them they would be doing Disco the next week (wasn’t that another Idol first? Has Simon ever announced the theme for the next week on the show before?). “Don’t celebrate [too much]“.

Interesting. Knollish even.

Maybe Adam was out to try to de-rail the other contestants (j/k).

I have checked out the numbers thread on David Cook’s official site because it has great links and I’m pretty sure that comments that aren’t all rainbows and puppy dogs are unwelcome as well. Again, that’s just a quick first impression.

Your impression would be correct….

Anyway, I have hopes that the “We Are The Fallen” sites (Carly’s new band) won’t be like that since it’s not really an “Idol act”. I’ve pretty much had their single on repeat since I got it. I think I’m starting to verge on fanboy territory.

Not because of Carly, though. Because it reminds me of the old Evanescence before Amy Lee kicked out/ drove out all of the original members and turned it into her own vanity project.

Which I guess kind of makes her like Axl Rose. And WATF like Velvet Revolver. And Ben Moody like Slash. And Carly like Scott Weiland… hopefully without the heroin problem.

Man….I may have to change my handle. Or post less often.

I no longer go to any “fansites”, I DO find them “overly controlling”. My comment about David’s fansite was absolutely in relation to something posted on a blog site that someone felt a conspiracy was a foot concerning a seemingly negative review about their favorite. Comments like that are extremely “funny” to me in a very “weird” way. Not all fans are over-invested. I love me some Adam, and really enjoy Kris and Allison, but you won’t find me “defending” them by “blaming” an innocent third party if a negative review is posted.

Kirsten
Jun 29th, 2009 at 3:40 pm

I don’t think the “back stories” were part of the original press release….they were strictly the blogger’s words. The Examiner is not a “news” site but strictly a series of articles about different subjects from different writers and is usually not “fact based” but “opinion based”. Unless, someone on the inside says that “disco” week was strictly an Adam idea, I just will pooh, pooh, the whole thing….absolutely no Knollish theory here….just a blogger’s unsubstantiated rant.

just a blogger’s unsubstantiated rant.

It doesn’t seem like he’s ranting. It’s just a collection of details. He labels it a press release, so I thought it might be one. If it’s not, it’s interesting that he thinks that Disco was Adam’s idea. IMO, it’s an odd theory to jump to if he didn’t know.

Anyway, it matters not. Most of the Idols handled that theme better than anticipated.

When fans reside in fansites, it can be a bit difficult to accept that some sites aren’t fansites and post the negative along with the positive (or at least, allow criticism and realism to be expressed). For that reason, this blog will always be regarded by the fuperfans as negatively slanted towards their favorite – because when you’re used to seeing everything through rose colored glasses and surround yourself with other like-minded fans, a non-biased approach seems terribly negative by comparison.

Last year I tended to go to more fansites (for David Cook), and didn’t find them particularly harsh, but I must say I’ve been much happier this season going to this site, because it is about ALL the AI contestants (and related stories), including past year contestants. I like hearing about a bunch of these guys, even if they weren’t my fav (plus, with the Kradam/Kradison love – it’s great to hear stories about Kris and Allison just for the possible “tangential-Adam” connection thrown in there

Plus, I love hearing about the tour updates, and in general, I care about everyone on the tour (though more so for my favs).

I also like places that aren’t too skewed to being absolutely in love with one contestant – I’d much rather hear the occassional “anti-Adam” comment mixed in with the “Adam is God” sentiments, just to bring things back down to earth

Here’s ” Don’t Let Go” from Philly. I don’t see how anyone could find this boring or could say he is losing his voice but YMMV on the first one at least.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UAHFjKpcUEE&eurl=http://www.snarkyarchies.com/&feature=player_embedded

I think Simon would call this karaoke, and I would agree. She’s cool, beautiful, and has performance skills. I will give her that.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gb9UKMVU0dg

Your impression would be correct’ ¦.

Actually, to say that statement is “correct” would mean it’s a fact. That’s not true from what I’ve seen. I’m not a member there, but I’m constantly seeing different scenarios in that thread, along with another very popular thread over there, and nobody attacks anybody’s opinion. From what I’ve seen, people are very respectful with each other and constructively argue without getting defensive. Sorry that you had some bad experiences over there, but I’ve got to say that place definitely welcomes different opinions.

As for the Archie article, I wouldn’t sweat it too much. It’s one review. I don’t think the reviewer is a hater by any means though, just an animated opinion.

Anyway, I have hopes that the ‘We Are The Fallen’  sites (Carly’s new band) won’t be like that since it’s not really an ‘Idol act’ . I’ve pretty much had their single on repeat since I got it. I think I’m starting to verge on fanboy territory.

I forgot all about the free tune since I never received it. Does that mean I didn’t qualify somehow, that they’d already gotten their 100,000 folks to sign up? Or did they just FU royally?

Kinda wish I hadn’t given them my personal info since it benefited me absolutely nothing! :rasberry_ee:

Glad to hear you like it, though, noctem. I like Carly even if she is sometimes her own worst enemy.

Aspiring singers in Florida are preparing themselves for the Holy Grail of singing competitions next week. That’s when ‘American Idol’  producers are holding auditions in Orlando ‘” Thursday, July 9, at Amway Arena. It’s all part of the hit reality show’s ninth season, which will start airing next January.

Sarah – have you decided yet if you are auditioning?

Wow LK09 have to agree with you on both videos. Loved David singing Don’t Let Go and had to turn off the Demi one cause it was making me cringe. I feel sorry for Demi losing her voice and all. I think she just isn’t ready for being an headliner. Maybe with some voice lessons and some time she will be. Who knows… someone said that she was like Miley I have to disagree on that one because even though I don’t enjoy Demi and her music I believe that she sings and sounds better than Miley. IMO

I’m not registered on any fan site, cuz I love it here, but I do check out DCO pretty frequently, and I don’t think the positivity police is that bad. I’ve found a lot of intelligent discussion and analyses on the numbers thread, the kind that doesn’t turn brains to mush. In relation to the comments section for Archie’s negative review, I actually really appreciate that a lot of posters on DCO seem to consistently dissuade each other from the kind of “bad fan behavior” that results in comments sections that turn into a farce.

That said, as with any fan site, there’s always a handful of overly defensive fans that get huffy or hurt by any perceived negativity (seems Idols tend of attract lots of fans that treat them like their own children who A) can’t do any wrong and B) whose feelings must be “protected”) but *my* impression is that those kinds of fans are hardly the majority. But then again, I’ve seen that just a few “adamant fans” can be enough to derail an otherwise healthy discussion and drive away the dissenter before the sane ones are able to jump in and foster a healthy debate. So that can be a bum-out RE: fansites. But that’s why we have MJ’s for balance .

Here’s ‘  Don’t Let Go’  from Philly. I don’t see how anyone could find this boring or could say he is losing his voice but YMMV on the first one at least.

Well, I am not an Archie fan, but I agree, not boring and he sounds fine.

Jordin’s album previews.

Vertigo is not there, strange.

Gemzone- I have no idea if that is one of Demi’s songs after her voice started going. I assume it was one of her better songs, since it was only 1 of 4 I found on youtube. FYI.

I agree with you on the Miley observation.

A review is just an opinion. I’m not going to get worked up over someone else’s opinion. It is all subjective. A different reviewer could have went to that same show and saw something totally different. I also don’t think because this reviewer didn’t like David’s performances that means that David is not going to have a successful career. How David performs may not appeal to some but that does not mean that all feel that same way. No artist no matter how talented they are appeals to everyone. There are plenty of artists that I can appreciate their talent but they don’t do anything for me. Me not liking them hasn’t affected their career. Why should that be different for David?

Have you read the latest comments? Someone mentioned the reviewer is supposedly aquainted with MJ, so now they’re saying MJ doesn’t like Archie or his fans, and had some kind of influence on the article! And now they’re bringing this site getting hacked yesterday into it, and suggesting that MJ suspects an Archie fan or something. It’s really strange.

Although we live in the same town, and both cover Idol, I do not know Marc Hirsch. LOL.

The super fans of every fan group hate me–whether their fav was my fav or not. The problem for some is that I allow and protect negative commentary here on my site. It pisses them off that they can’t flame the “haterz” here. LOL.

Here’s ‘  Don’t Let Go’  from Philly. I don’t see how anyone could find this boring or could say he is losing his voice but YMMV on the first one at least.

It’s a matter of opinion, yes?

Going to lengths to prove a poster “wrong” (after accusing her of not being a fan anyway) is a little…I don’t know…it kind of smacks of what we’re talking about in this thread today about uberfans not tolerating dissension.

Folks here can have an opinion without having their fandom or motives questioned, or labeled a crank–I saw a little of that going on in this thread today. So, let’s be respectful of other’s opinions.

I didn’t think I was going to lengths to prove someone wrong. I was just very curious about the concert. I didn’t spend time going out to find David’s best video. I just posted a song I like, and I certainly didn’t spend time going to find Demi’s worst out of 14 or so songs or a song near the end when she had no voice. I had never heard her on this tour and was curious, and I posted the first one I found. If you read my comment after Bootstar said she used to be a fan but is no longer, I acknowledged her and was very respectful of her opinion telling her I appreciate her sincerity. I think I have been reasonable, and I am sorry if you think my motives were sinister.

FWIW- I actually defended you over there.

the reviewer brings Brooke White, Michael Johns and Melinda Doolittle to exemplify how winning doesn’t count.

Hi, can anyone enlighten me about sales figures for these three? I don’t follow them, and I’m interested in how they’re selling now.

MJ we don’t hate you at all… us super fans that is..

Hi, can anyone enlighten me about sales figures for these three? I don’t follow them, and I’m interested in how they’re selling now.

Melinda isn’t charting with her album – Last known figure is 37K (Courtesy of Lady Madonna’s excellent charts). Michael’s first week numbers won’t arrive until tomorrow or Wednesday, as of now he’s not in HDD’s Top 50. His first single sold ~6K before it fell off the chart. Brooke’s single was also released this past week so we won’t have numbers until Wednesday. I don’t think it made the Top 100 on iTunes though.

Because it reminds me of the old Evanescence before Amy Lee kicked out/ drove out all of the original members and turned it into her own vanity project.

Which I guess kind of makes her like Axl Rose. And WATF like Velvet Revolver. And Ben Moody like Slash. And Carly like Scott Weiland’ ¦ hopefully without the heroin problem.

LOL noctem. Yes, exactly like that! :lol_tb:

On the Amazon thing, I gotta say, it bums me out a little…. That, and the confusion that results from Amazon using the “No Boundaries” cover photo. I fell for it before scrolling down. But at least it’s just a sign up for notification, not pre-orders. I guess that’s good.

Why is it that I thought Brooke’s single was released during the AI season 8? Didn’t she sing it then? How is anyone supposed to know about these things, unless they read idol blogs. I assume MJ announced this, but I missed it too.

^^ She had an iTunes only single released to coincide with her Idol performance (Hold Up My Heart). I don’t have the numbers for it, although it did well (IIRC 50K the first week?), however it wasn’t considered a proper album single since it never had an add date on radio, so it only sold for a week or two before disappearing.
However, for the life of me I can’t understand what they’re doing with her real single. It doesn’t seem to get any kind of promo at all.

Thanks Jolene. It seems really hard to get promo these days.

But at least it’s just a sign up for notification, not pre-orders.

Wonder if this is just a ploy to really judge if it will be worthwhile to bring this album to fruition. If you only get a few thousand sign-ups Hi Fi may finally realize there won’t be much demand. And why is it saying Wilshire, not HiFi?

^^^ Oh, I just realized you guys are talking about the Hi-Fi album. When I put “Adam Lambert” in at amazon.com, I see his future 19 album release. Do you have a link for that other album?

David Cook’s Fuse interview
It’s all music! (and a bit of arm porn) I think it’s one fans will appreciate.

David Cook’s Fuse interview
It’s all music! (and a bit of arm porn) I think it’s one fans will appreciate.

Wow, that was a GOOD interview. This fan sure appreciates!
I’ve never heard that Mr. Jaguar story before – knew he participated (and won) but did not know that was connected to the Paradise City performance (which we actually saw! God bless YouTube).

^^^ Oh, I just realized you guys are talking about the Hi-Fi album. When I put ‘Adam Lambert’  in at amazon.com, I see his future 19 album release. Do you have a link for that other album?

Are you sure? I don’t see a 19/RCA one at all. This one looks that way, given the cover. But when you go down to the info, you see the stuff I quoted.

It’s deceptive.

I love, love, love little David A. And I can’t believe I’m saying this but I do agree with one thing in that review – I don’t like David’s new opening with the shadow looming from behind the curtain. I’ve seen a few different vids of it and each time he fidgets and waves to the crowd. Aww Davey! He’s so sweet but it kind of messes with the effect, you know? Someone should say something to him but my guess is he feels weird about it, the way he is fidgeting. I do love the heartbeat sound effects though. Perfect for David whose speciality is the heart connection. IMO they should keep the heartbeats but ditch the shadow – just have the curtain fall and him walk out.

And I think MJ has been very fair to David A especially recently. I like posting here because I can be truthful and not have to worry about people jumping all over my opinions. Thanks, MJ! :smile1_tb:

We’re all innocent, that is confusing. It looks similar to the one they have for Kris Allen, but the info says this:

Wilshire Records
ASIN: B0020MMDBA

Is that the Hi-fi album?

Wow, that was a GOOD interview. This fan sure appreciates!
I’ve never heard that Mr. Jaguar story before – knew he participated (and won) but did not know that was connected to the Paradise City performance (which we actually saw! God bless YouTube).

Which was connected to the 8stops7 story! It’s fun when dots connect.

I’ve seen a few different vids of it and each time he fidgets and waves to the crowd. Aww Davey! He’s so sweet but it kind of messes with the effect, you know? Someone should say something to him but my guess is he feels weird about it, the way he is fidgeting.

I agree. I like the curtain idea, but if he is going to do it, he needs to stand still for effect.

Thanks for the Fuse interview with Cookie. Lovin it.

Wilshire Records
ASIN: B0020MMDBA

Is that the Hi-fi album?

So it seems….RCA is not mentioned.

Melinda isn’t charting with her album – Last known figure is 37K (Courtesy of Lady Madonna’s excellent charts). Michael’s first week numbers won’t arrive until tomorrow or Wednesday, as of now he’s not in HDD’s Top 50. His first single sold ~6K before it fell off the chart. Brooke’s single was also released this past week so we won’t have numbers until Wednesday. I don’t think it made the Top 100 on iTunes though.

Thanks for that summary! At least they got albums out. Pity about Melinda – why no promo at all??? And why no promo for Brooke now either??? At least I saw a post mj did on Michael doing radio interviews, so there is that, at least, for Michael Johns.

Thanks for the FUSE interview! Good questions and love the new tidbits. So cool that he talked about playing the drums, bass, and piano some, and developing new sounds for the next record! I feel like I now have to check out the Crash Kings, cuz edgy piano-based rock sounds pretty good… Heh, of course, there were also some requisite awkward/endearing moments about the arm porn thread, etc.

David Cook’s Fuse interview
It’s all music! (and a bit of arm porn) I think it’s one fans will appreciate.

Thanks so much for that – love to get some new questions and info from David . Hehe, arm porn. Love that laugh.

Unfortunately, I think she’ll eventually have similar experiences at his forums. It’s just an inherent feature of the social dynamics of fan sites.

It depends, actually. Some fansites are very groupthink, kumbaya and sweet about everything. There is a Stepford feel. The flipside tends to be the snarky, opinionated and argumentative type. I’ve participated in plenty of fansites, and the Adam fansites I went to tend to fall in the latter and snark a fair bit (for now). A lot of people were ragging on “Want” before it became clear what it was. It could change though. Probably not a place you want to go if you dislike Adam, either way though, and there is always the crazy factor, as most fanbases have.

I was quite a huge Radiohead fan and man, they had one crazy, mean fanbase. Then I participated in a “aww, hugs” one and that was pretty freaky. I prefer mean and crazy.

Thanks for that summary! At least they got albums out. Pity about Melinda – why no promo at all???

Well, she is on this interesting label…

It’s really a shame about Melinda. She was very good, in my opinion.

I appreciate her sincerity. I think I have been reasonable, and I am sorry if you think my motives were sinister.

Sinister is overstating what I said, I think. I was reacting to your “I don’t see how anybody…” statement, and what you said earlier to Bootstar. YMMV and all that. But I don’t think there was anything “sinister” about it.

I appreciate your defending me over there. Thanks. .

I am not really understanding all the praise Kris is getting for accepting Adam as a friend. People that don’t like people for simply being gay are ridiculous and ignorant and shouldn’t be seen as the norm. We all have friends and family members from different backgrounds and with different lifestyles. What is the big deal that is how it should be.

Spot on kate8..I’ll never get it either.