Idol Headlines for 06/28/07

Ex-Idol shares grief and grit

…She…finally accepts that it’s over and asks God himself for help on the album’s one undeniable musical break from her previous records, Irvine. Distant cellos, a wash of keyboards, and acoustic guitars accompany an achingly intimate vocal — the album’s best. For all the cathartic, clenched-fists firepower that has come before, Irvine feels like a real musical and personal epiphany…

http://www.therecord.com/NASApp/cs/ContentServer?pagename=record/Layout/Article_Type1&c=Article&cid=1183005586155&call_pageid=1024322089000&col=1024322319351

I love Irvine. I am going to buy the CD tonight. I called a record station and found out it is already available in the Philippines. It must have been released here on the same date of the US release.

Happy birthday, Kellie!

Okay guys, disappoint news. None of the AI songs that is so hated made it to the number one spot on the most hated songs list. That dubious honor went to James Blunt song, Besutiful.

SPICE GIRLS ARE ONE!

THE Spice Girls will embark on a world tour, they announced today.

Victoria Beckham and Mel B jetted into the UK especially for the occasion and it seems Geri has returned to her ginger roots after dying her hair blonde, by sporting a mass of red hair….

Mirror.co.uk

Emme visits Vegas, but not to gamble

Emme Tomimbang reveals the side of Las Vegas few of us ever think about tonight at 9 on KHON Channel 2. “Emme in the New Las Vegas” has nothing to do with gambling. Instead, Tomimbang anchored herself at Ceasars Palace Resort & Casino on the strip, and focused on the way that hotel in particular is “moving toward entertainment, dining, shopping and golf.” Of course, she highlights the city’s ties to Hawaii…

…She also spoke with American Idol Jasmine Trias, making her Vegas debut with the SOS…

Star Bulletin.com

I posted this in sales but it’s the latest BB ranking of singles:
Hot 100 (Issue date: 7/7/07) (7 Idol singles seems like a lot to me)(so many 7s). No radio play means no Blake or Jordin to be seen.

TW|LW

13 14 CARRIE UNDERWOOD BEFORE HE CHEATS
17 15 DAUGHTRY HOME
22 19 KELLY CLARKSON NEVER AGAIN
25 28 ELLIOTT YAMIN WAIT FOR YOU
52 54 FANTASIA WHEN I SEE U
82 81 BUCKY COVINGTON A DIFFERENT WORLD
95 98 KELLIE PICKLER I WONDER

Just a quick shout-out for those in chat last night:

Taylor=Tailor

That’s what I get for being online way past my bedtime. LOL

From MSN this morning: The Bald and the Beautiful 23 of the hottest shaved heads in Hollywood http://entertainment.msn.com/movies/baldandbeautiful?GT1=7701 Chris Daughtry is #3. :cool2_tb:

Does the world really need to see the Spice Girls on tour again? :huh_tb:

Does the world really need to see the Spice Girls on tour again?

Yes, me and my friend were talking about it and decided we would spend hundreds of dollars to see them live.

Yes, me and my friend were talking about it and decided we would spend hundreds of dollars to see them live.

Hope for your sake they lip synch then.

Okay–so I bought Kelly’s new CD on the way home last night. I was realistic and did not expect an “instant love affair”. I do not care for “rock”. (Closest I ever got were the Allman Bros. and, sadly, they still give me a huge RUSH!) And…I am old.

The first thing I did was sit down and read every single word of every single song. Then the headphones….and did I ever get an unexpected surprise! I couldn’t get past the band for the first 3 numbers! They are awesome and the bass player is simply OFF THE CHARTS! For the first time, I found myself not listening to the “solo artist” but rather a singer who completely blends with her band and they present as “one”. So different…..and delightful!

I “instantly” fell in love with this stunning and brilliant CD! I found it WONDERFUL–every….single….word…every…single…note!

Now for my biggest question of the day…how in the hell can Clive Davis orgasm all over himself over Daughtry and completely miss the genius of Kelly’s first “rock” CD???

P.S. Hezzer my child…if you are here, I love you! Mom

OMG, I was just watching Nick Jr. with the kids and the new Kidz Bop commercial was on. “Home” is on the new album. Very strange to hear kidz singing it! LOL

OMG, I was just watching Nick Jr. with the kids and the new Kidz Bop commercial was on. à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“Homeà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  is on the new album. Very strange to hear kidz singing it! LOL

You know you’ve made it when your song is on Kidz Bop.

They need to put “my Friend” on kidz bop. Shoot my kids could record it they know the song so well. Too bad neither of them can carry a tune!

Ken Barnes has posted his review for Kelly’s new album…er…to sum it up…he’s switched over to Team Clive.

http://blogs.usatoday.com/idolchatter/2007/06/sympathy-for-th.html#more

But, in other news, he highlights the dedications:

“Final side notes: The dedications (underneath the CD) are interesting. When she fired her manager, Jeff Kwatinetz, earlier this month, it was presumably too late to change the artwork, because he gets a huge thanks, concluded by (in capital letters) “I still can’t believe we got this record out, haha!!” Many other folks are thanked, including three in particular from her label. Interestingly — and this may be a first for a BMG artist — Clive isn’t one of them.”

Hope for your sake they lip synch then. :lol_tb:

à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“Final side notes: The dedications (underneath the CD) are interesting. When she fired her manager, Jeff Kwatinetz, earlier this month, it was presumably too late to change the artwork, because he gets a huge thanks, concluded by (in capital letters) à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“I still canà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t believe we got this record out, haha!!à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ 

What I don’t understand is… Jeff Kwatinetz appears to have been a major factor in Kelly obtaining artistic control on her CD. I believe I read that he was/is listed as producer on some of the tracks. And she repays him… by firing him??

I love the fact that Clive IS pushing Kelly Clarkson’s CD with MEGA-PROMOTION.

It may be that not only does he still really support Kelly (just doesn’t think the album has the hit song potential of “Breakaway”) but that he doesn’t want to be beat by Disney.

It is SonyBMG vs Disney!

Actually 4 Idol songs are on this latest Kidz Bop CD not just “Home” including songs by Chris Daughtry, Kelly Clarkson, Carrie Underwood, and Elliott Yamin.

Congrats Idols!

I thought that “Heaven Knows” is #24 or 26 on the AC BillBoard Chart. Why is it that Taylor never seems to be listed on any of these Idol chart updates? It’s bad enough he gets so little air play or recognition for his songs, but must he be ignored on the charts as well?

Squishy, which Elliott song? Which Carrie song?

I think Squishy is thinking of the Now 25 cd, not the Kidz Bop 12 cd.
Kidz Bop 12 has one song by Kelly Clarkson, and two songs by Daughtry.

Thanks, ShabbyChic.

Now for my biggest question of the dayà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦how in the hell can Clive Davis orgasm all over himself over Daughtry and completely miss the genius of Kellyà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s first à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“rockà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  CD???

Well, that because Chris start out as a rocker and Kelly was a pop princess..The only person I see Clive having any real orgasm over, outside of Kelly, is Carrie.

Sexy–I am going to diagree with you here. Kelly “started out” what her employers wanted her to be…NOT who she was! This latest CD is pure Kelly. I have been waiting ever since she won Idol to see who Kelly was going to be once she got the chance to do her own thing.

She just got it…and I LOVE IT!

Reading about Clive having orgasms is making me cringe.

But I do agree that Clive appeared very excited as he was thumping his finger when he was saying “it’s been Daughtry who has broken through as the entire music industry’s biggest selling artist of the year”.

There’s an interview on rickey.org with two people (Ivan and Travis) from last season’s So You Think You Can Dance. They mention how they’re going to be working with Blake – probably teaching him how to dance better. Simon Fuller and Nigel are the connections between the shows so they possibly arranged it. Anyway, in case you’re interested – here’s the link.

http://www.rickey.org/?p=4291

Right is the NOW CD that has the 4 Idols on it and it is the latest Kidz Bop CD that has Kelly Clarkson and 2 of Daughtry’s songs on it.

From MSN this morning: The Bald and the Beautiful 23 of the hottest shaved heads in Hollywood http://entertainment.msn.com/movies/baldandbeautiful?GT1=7701 Chris Daughtry is #3. :cool2_tb:

Forgive me, but the caption on that photo made me LOL.

Fortunately for rock stars, the shaved look is in. So if you’re going thin on top, like “American Idol” runner-up Chris Daughtry, you’re just a Bic away from hiding your hair loss and boosting your image.

I agree that the “Bic away” has boosted Chris’ rocker image. Chris with hair looks like a boy band member.

On second reading, that wasn’t so funny after all, but I could no longer edit my post. Heh. *blushes*

squishy
Jun 28th, 2007 at 11:57 am
Reading about Clive having orgasms is making me cringe.

Kind a the way I meant it. Clive makes me cringe–he is just SO creepy! If you’re going to have that much money, you should look like John Kennedy!

Valley………….perhaps Kelly had to compromise with the label by firing her present manager. The Firm is supposedly about having their clients keep more of the money they earn.

I have been waiting to hear Jordin Sparks finale song debut on radio, but so far not a peep. I think someone said it is only on download, so it seems they are not pushing it on radio. Has anyone heard it on radio?

Thanks again LisaB for all of the great headlines!

On second reading, that wasnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t so funny after all, but I could no longer edit my post. Heh. *blushes*

Yes it was

…perhaps Kelly had to compromise with the label by firing her present manager. The Firm is supposedly about having their clients keep more of the money they earn.

So Kelly’s compromise with the label, who she’s stated was against her artistic vision, was to fire the manager who supported that vision?

Purps it was hilarious!

I would love to learn the real reason why Kelly fired her manager. Maybe she thought the friction between the label and her manager was detrimental to her.

WOW–Ken Barnes really made his “Clive Brownie Points” in his review of Kelly’s new CD. Not only did he bash every single word, he pulverized the band. He then bashed her clothing(?) AND her acknowledgements! Maybe Ken was one of the 8 dedicatees in her Judas number!

Since we are still talking about Kelly here, I have a question. There is a Pantene shampoo commercial that runs often, I seem to hear Kelly singing in the background, anyone else? :question_ee:

JJ

I have been waiting to hear Jordin Sparks finale song debut on radio, but so far not a peep. I think someone said it is only on download, so it seems they are not pushing it on radio. Has anyone heard it on radio?

It is being played on Philippine radio stations, at least. I hear it quite often. I had only heard Blake’s This Love version, though, and never YGLABN.

Does the world really need to see the Spice Girls on tour again?

I don’t know about spending hundreds of dollars on the tour, but I will always have the fondest memory of having seen Spice World The Movie on the big screen with my best friend and never having giggled more (continuously for almost two hours) in my life.

FYI – here are the Chapter Titles for Taylor’s forthcoming book, Heart Full Of Soul (which is ‘in stock’ right now at Walmart on-line). If you order now, you will have it before the July 10th release date.

1. The Gray Haired Boy In The Bubble
2. Crying Time
3. Unchain My Heart
4. Sweet Home Alabama
5. In My Time
6. Lost And Found In Music City
7. Hit The Road Jack
8. The Wedding Singer
9. A Change In The Weather
10. Viva Las Vegas
11. Gone Hollywood
12. Takin’ It To The Streets
13. The Right Place
Encore: What’d I Say

I would love to learn the real reason why Kelly fired her manager. Maybe she thought the friction between the label and her manager was detrimental to her.

Exactly… so Kelly got what she wanted, but the “sacrificial lamb” was the very person who gave her what she craved.

I was wondering why “Heaven Knows” isn’t listed on those chart listings either, when Kellie breaking the #100 mark is, and “HK” is definately way higher than that. Also – this just occurred to me today – last year at this time I think we were seeing Taylor all over in those Ford commercials. Are they not doing that this year? Did Jordin win any sort of sponsorship deal?

Ken’s review is kind of weird. He seems to spend most of his time just griping about Kelly’s songs being dark. Apparently Kelly is supposedly to just climb in the happy/cheerful box and stay there forever.

Valley
Jun 28th, 2007 at 1:43 pm
I would love to learn the real reason why Kelly fired her manager. Maybe she thought the friction between the label and her manager was detrimental to her.

Exactlyà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦ so Kelly got what she wanted, but the à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“sacrificial lambà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  was the very person who gave her what she craved.

There are numerous articles today stating Kelly’s manager asked Clive for $15 million advance on her CD.

Valley……….I was speculating that the label might have “offered” her their support if she “changed managers”. No one really knows what went on, but there is alot of dirty dealing in the business. Clive has more power than Jeff K.

The Village Voice has a negative review of Kelly’s album as well. They come down on the side of pop over rock Kelly. Maybe the AI poison is leaving my body but I don’t think that albums actually compete with each other.** I think Hannah Montana and Kelly will have different audiences. **Exception: I want Elliott’s CD to outsell Kat and give Clive heartburn.

All I know is, that all of this controversy has got a heck of alot of publicity for Kelly and probably way more than if it had just been a straight album drop.
The L.A. Times reports this morning on the top albums and their lower sales, which will make it a duel between Kelly and Hannah Montana!!

I agree that all the publicity that Kelly has received will probably boost her sales even if the CD turns out to be ho-hum.

There are numerous articles today stating Kellyà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s manager asked Clive for $15 million advance on her CD.

So I’m assuming Clive said “no”… and Kelly’s response was “well, guess I’ll fire the person who made the request”? I’ll qualify this by saying I respect Kelly’s convictions; I admire an artist who puts out a CD with a point-of-view, and not just a collection of top-40 singles. However… I don’t think Kelly can demand “respect” without giving some of it back.

Publicity might bump the initial sales a bit, but will have little bearing on long term outcome.

calimari
Jun 28th, 2007 at 1:53 pm
I was wondering why à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“Heaven Knowsà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  isnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t listed on those chart listings either, when Kellie breaking the #100 mark is, and à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“HKà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  is definately way higher than that. Also – this just occurred to me today – last year at this time I think we were seeing Taylor all over in those Ford commercials. Are they not doing that this year? Did Jordin win any sort of sponsorship deal?

If you mean the chart jpfan posted then that is the Hot 100 which is based off digital sales and airplay (with sales I think being more prominent). Kellie’s song I Wonder is 165 on the digital downloads chart and Taylor isn’t in the top 200 (at least according to the sales update thread). Heaven Knows is 26 on the AC chart (as of monday) Kellie is 16 on the country chart. The country chart takes far more spins and airplay to be that high. I can’t check them at the moment but I wouldn’t be surprised if Kellie isn’t getting 10-20 times the spins and airplay Taylor is getting currently, maybe more.

Taylor on the AC chart

26 TAYLOR HICKS Heaven Knows 206 179 27 0.478

The last number shows that his audience impressions are 478,000. Songs that chart on the Hot 100 usually have airplay in the millions or sell many thousands of downloads. The most important genre for radio play seems to be Rhythmic (hip hop) where the top songs get 60 million in audience impressions. I think radio play is overrated for selling albums anyway. It helps but so do many other things.

Allen’s right. Even tho Heaven Knows is currently #24 on the AC Billboard Charts this week (up 3 from last week, according to Radio and Records http://www.radioandrecords.com/Formats/Charts/AC_Chart.asp), it’s still only getting about 1/2 million audience impressions, and I think that plus downloads is the main qualifier for the Hot 100 chart.

The AC Charts spins new songs at a much slower rate than most, if not all, of the other charts.

Valley–I don’t really understand the significance of the $15 m. advance (perhaps Kelly’s mgr. was going to get a big chunk?) If you are a Kelly fan–and have followed her from the beginning–she is a person of impeccable integrity. She is just plain “honest and decent”! She really got chewed up by this business in the beginning (duh!) probably because she is such a straight shooter.

I do feel that if she fired her manager, for HER it was NOT about money–but decency. I think she is finally trying to put a stop to being the “money puppet” and do what she desires as an artist.

I find it really odd that everyone is in such an uproar over the new “rock” Kelly. Her being a Rock Star was blatantly evident in every concert I have ever been to!

Kenà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s review is kind of weird. He seems to spend most of his time just griping about Kellyà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s songs being dark. Apparently Kelly is supposedly to just climb in the happy/cheerful box and stay there forever.

Ken’s is typical of many of the negative reviews I’ve read: The critics can’t get over the fact that she didn’t release a purely pop poppy album with killer hooks. It’s almost as if she committed some sort of transgression.

I think the album will be looked on more favorably after some time has passed. That’s my prediction, anyway. .

BTW–I will be going to see Taylor tomorrow in Spartanburg–WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

When an artist is known for conquering a genre and then he/she does a departure from what he/she is known for, the artist is either going to get major props/praise or will get major negativity.

Right now Kelly is getting a little of both.

I still think “Sober” and “Irvine” are great songs, the others not so much.

Thereà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s an interview on rickey.org with two people (Ivan and Travis) from last seasonà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s So You Think You Can Dance. They mention how theyà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢re going to be working with Blake – probably teaching him how to dance better. Simon Fuller and Nigel are the connections between the shows so they possibly arranged it.

I had to chuckle at this. Maybe Fuller and Co believe he needs more moves than the jacket tug and twirl.

Anyway, someone posted this link of BT with the Roots over at Team Plaid. I love it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dxLbKYCL2aM

Apparently, it was a concert of BT’s that Blake attended that inspired him to become a full-time musician. Now Blake gets him as a producer on the album. I’d still like to know if BT is producing the whole album or just a few tracks. While we’re at it, I’d like an official label announcement.

Anyway, I’m feeling hopeful that Blake isn’t going to be Biced.

I bought Kelly’s album on Tuesday. I like it. It isn’t the best thing I ever heard and after my second run through, I skipped a few songs but it isn’t the awful trash critics make it out to be. It’s a decent album which didn’t deserve all this outcry from everybody – which is probably why it did receive the outcry: some publicity for an otherwise non-spectacular album.

My personal experience is a good review may encourage me to buy an album I was considering but a bad review will never discourage me – I have to listen to samples before that happens. I imagine a lot of people do the same. So the bad reviews may hurt her personally but I don’t know how it will affect sales because the songs are generally fine (no true stinker). If you go in looking for it to be awful, you will find a way to criticize it. If you keep an open mind, you may enjoy it.

BTW, the “you” is not aimed at anyone.

thanks for the chart clarifications guys.

pj… but Blake is kinda cute … so he could be McPheed ( I just wanted to write McPheed. :happy_tb:

LB2–have you ever seen Kelly “live”? Just curious…she is a totally different singer live. Actually, reminds me SO MUCH of Janis Joplin…not in her singing voice but in her presentation. Just raw! If you ever get the chance, it would be well worth the investment!

I haven’t yet, Chrissey, but a few of my friends have told me the same thing – that her songs and albums don’t match up to the capabilities she demonstrates live. Thanks for the suggestion!

Sexyà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬’I am going to diagree with you here. Kelly à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“started outà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  what her employers wanted her to beà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦NOT who she was! This latest CD is pure Kelly. I have been waiting ever since she won Idol to see who Kelly was going to be once she got the chance to do her own thing.

Since I don’t know Kelly personally, I can’t say if it was her employer who wanted her as a pop princess or her desire to be a rocker was not as clear cut as Chris’s. That was my point. What Kelly is doing is not new. A lot of singers change musical direction midstream. Usually when they are not clear-cut. I did not get the impression that Clive did not want Kelly to be a rocker. Especially since her last cd had a very rock feel to it. I was more under the impression that he felt her cd was too dark ..

LB2–did you happen to read the review by Dan Aquilante from the NY POST (yesterday?). He so eloquently put into words what I have tried to convey in a billion words as regards Kelly live. It is a really great review!

I think in Clive’s mind if he thought Kelly’s album was great whether it was pop or rock he would have said so. Perhaps it wasn’t that the album wasn’t pop but in his view it wasn’t very good.

à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦ but Blake is kinda cute à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦ so he could be McPheed …

Uh, oh….I have a sudden urge for a photochop.

ETA:
That darn thing called work….chop will have to wait for later.

When an artist is known for conquering a genre and then he/she does a departure from what he/she is known for, the artist is either going to get major props/praise or will get major negativity.

Right now Kelly is getting a little of both.

I agree. I have a feeling that having this fight with Clive helped Kelly’s cd sales more than hurt her. Considering what I’ve read so far, if she had just released it without the Clive fight, I wonder how many would have been inspired to buy it. As I said before, the fight is making some buy the cd just to send a message to Clive.

If anyone wants to read about BT, here is a link to Wikipedia. I can understand how seeing/hearing BT could have such an affect on Blake. He is amazing.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brian_Transeau

Lb2:

I bought Kellyà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s album on Tuesday. I like it. It isnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t the best thing I ever heard and after my second run through, I skipped a few songs but it isnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t the awful trash critics make it out to be. Ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s a decent album which didnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t deserve all this outcry from everybody – which is probably why it did receive the outcry: some publicity for an otherwise non-spectacular album

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I was in the car today, so I had some quality time with the CD, and I totally agree. It’s neither as ground breaking as Kelly claims, nor as dreadful as the naysayers claim. MAYBE and CAN I HAVE A KISS are downright catchy, I swear I heard some hooks there. I do like NEVER AGAIN. I would like to hear some of these songs on Adult Alternative radio..

Nothing was as spellbinding as the Idol Gives Back Track, Down from the Mountain, but ITunes lets me burn that on the same CD, so I can have it all.

I agree that the Record Label controversy will help more than hurt Kelly’s CD sales and it appears that Clive is happy to play the villian in the scenario. Itt also appears that Clive is putting all the stops out for Kelly as well.

What caught my interest from the latest Friedman article:

Indeed, RCA shipped 850,000 copies of à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“My Decemberà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  and doesnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t expect to need more.

If this is true…ouch.

Indeed, RCA shipped 850,000 copies of à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“My Decemberà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  and doesnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t expect to need more.

Huge ouch!

HMWD :clap_tb:
ABC, easy as 123 :exclaim_ee:

Sorry, but Clive was the one behind Clay Aiken’s last CD – mainly consisting of covers. Talk is that Clay had a totally different CD recorded and Clive said NO WAY. He thought the best thing would be for Clay to cover popular songs.

Seems to me that Clive gets orgasms not only from big hits, but from cutting the legs off of his artists like Clay and now Kelly.

It doesn’t appear that Clive is cutting the legs off of Kelly right now. I see “My December” promotion every where. I think she will sell more than 325-350K that HDD is predicting.

Seems to me that Clive gets orgasms not only from big hits, but from cutting the legs off of his artists like Clay and now Kelly.

Do you know for a fact that Clay wanted to go in a totally different direction or is it just disgruntled fans blaming Clive for the failure of Clay’s cd. Maybe Kelly fighting with Clive over this cd is a good thing for Clive in hindsight. Kelly’s fans would have been blaming him for having her releasing this cd.

Also, Clay is not Kelly. Kelly is a lot more musically versatile than Clay. Can you see Clay really selling rock or any other type of music outside of what he is now selling. Kelly can go in any musical direction she wants and will still sell cds.

ETA: I may not be on the “Kelly should do whatever she wants” bandwagon but I will say, she is one of the few singer from AI that can do whatever she wants musically and get away with it. She just seem to have that style about her.

It doesnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t appear that Clive is cutting the legs off of Kelly right now. I see à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“My Decemberà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  promotion every where. I think she will sell more than 325-350K that HDD is predicting.

I agree.. As I said before, Kelly is a lot more versatile and have proven herself.

I dunno, sexy.

I could see Clay putting out the “My December” CD and hitting #1 on BB. He could sell anything to those fans of his.

Yep, Kelly is a lot more musically versatile than Clay.

I could see Clay putting out the à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“My Decemberà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  CD and hitting #1 on BB. He could sell anything to those fans of his.

I can see him putting out a “My December” cd also but something tells me it will sound more like Barry Manilow ballads than Kelly Clarkson dark rock..LOL

True, sexy; but it would sell millions. LOL

True, sexy; but it would sell millions. LOL

I guess it might. Maybe I would be tempted to buy my first Clay cd if it does sound like Manillow of the past. Heck, I have no shame in saying I happen to love BM…

So do I!

I am a little confused by this statment in the Friedman article when it says “RCA has put more money into the project, even though we all know that Clive Davis does not approve of ‘My December’”.

I thought the record label doesn’t put any money in promoting an album but it all comes from the artist? :blink_tb:

am a little confused by this statment in the Friedman article when it says à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“RCA has put more money into the project, even though we all know that Clive Davis does not approve of à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã‹My Decemberà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢Ãƒ ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ .

I thought the record label doesnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t put any money in promoting an album but it all comes from the artist?

I took it to mean that they are not going to skimp on promotion just because. Kelly is one of their biggest commercial artist. In other words, if the cd don’t sell well it’s not because they did not support it.

What caught my interest from the latest Friedman article:

Would that be Roger “I can’t kiss Clive’s ass fast or hard enough” Friedman of Fox news? Ha ha.

Kind of cute the way that some conspiracy theories are bought hook, line, and sinker while others are dismissed out of hand…

I don’t want to tell posters how to post or anything but could we perhaps refrain from using the word orgasm in the same sentence as the name Clive?

I, for one, would really appreciate it.

FYI – here are the Chapter Titles for Taylorà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s forthcoming book, Heart Full Of Soul (which is à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã‹in stockà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢ right now at Walmart on-line). If you order now, you will have it before the July 10th release date.

1. The Gray Haired Boy In The Bubble
2. Crying Time
3. Unchain My Heart
4. Sweet Home Alabama
5. In My Time
6. Lost And Found In Music City
7. Hit The Road Jack
8. The Wedding Singer
9. A Change In The Weather
10. Viva Las Vegas
11. Gone Hollywood
12. Takinà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢ It To The Streets
13. The Right Place
Encore: Whatà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢d I Say

lol are these for real? So Cliche. I’m sure Taylor will refer to himself as Tay Tay and as an artist about every second word.

Well according to that Friedman article it does appear that is the label not the artist who pays for the promotion of the album. RCA gave Kelly $1.5 million up front, paid for the “Never Again” video which was $600K and spent $300K on radio promotion for the song.

lol are these for real? So Cliche. Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢m sure Taylor will refer to himself as Tay Tay and as an artist about every second word.

I think they’re rather clever – all are either take-offs on song titles, song lyrics or movie names.

BTW, the book is #1 in Bios, #1 in Pop-Culture, #1 in Music Books on CD, #5 in Music and #20 in New & Future Releases for all books on amazon.com woooo!

I guess you’ll have to buy the book to see if your ‘fear’ about him referring to himself as an ‘artist’ is true. Heaven forbid he actually thinks of himself as one.

Well I see the same discussion is kind of going on since this morning about Kelly C., only Clay is in it now. I thought I would try to find something that Clay might do that is more rock but came across this with both Clay and Kelly. They complimented each other on tour. I have never seen either one but would like to.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kZtgZBQJZFc&mode=related&search=

It is virtually impossible to explain the intricacies of a recording contract in a few words or sentences, but the basics of contract law as it applies to the music industry are almost certainly unchanged, even when it comes to the Idols.

Of that $1.5 million advance, a certain percentage would be reserved or earmarked as the “production fund,” from which costs associated with — you guessed it — the production of the album are to be paid. This includes everything from studio time to mastering costs to food & beverage service for those involved in the process.

At Kelly’s level, it is likely that video costs would be split 50-50 between the label and Kelly (with her share possibly but not necessarily being paid from the production fund), and yes…RCA advances that $600,000, but Kelly’s share will ultimately be recouped from profits from this or prior albums, through cross-collateralization.

As for the $300,000 in promotion costs, RCA is advancing those costs, some of which are incurred “in house” (salaries of those who make the calls and schedule interviews or appearances in connection with the album), but a percentage of these expenses may be subject to recoupment as well.

Trying to determine who pays for what is never easy, but more than a few artists have gone bankrupt with albums that sell millions…and they’ll tell you, the label pays for as little as they can get away with.

Lassie perhaps if you are still confused you could send Clive an email and ask him to explain.

I think theyà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢re rather clever – all are either take-offs on song titles, song lyrics or movie names.

BTW, the book is #1 in Bios, #1 in Pop-Culture, #1 in Music Books on CD, #5 in Music and #20 in New & Future Releases for all books on amazon.com woooo!

I guess youà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢ll have to buy the book to see if your à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã‹fearà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢ about him referring to himself as an à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã‹artistà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢ is true. Heaven forbid he actually thinks of himself as one.

You’re right, I don’t think i’ve ever read a book that was written by a musician that contained song titles in it! And I don’t take Amazon as a good indicator, or think it counts for sales at all once I learned that after Norah Jones spent months at number one, she broke the presale record selling a whopping 30k on amazon.
Taylor is very pretenious it’s almost funny. He’ll talk about perfecting his craft in bars while working a crappy job during the day. As if millions of people don’t do that every day.

I can already tell what the chapters are going to be about based on the chapter titles and it seems like one big yawn fest

9. A Change In The Weather
10. Viva Las Vegas
11. Gone Hollywood
12. Takinà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢ It To The Streets
13. The Right Place
Encore: Whatà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢d I Say

9 = Hurricane Katrina, perhaps he’ll talk about what a travesty it was
10 = oh getting a free plane ticket to vegas so he can try out for american idol! how thrilling!
11 = being on american idol. maybe this is where he’ll reveal his secrets that Simon is actually nice behind the scenes and that what they say on the show is just an act!
12 = post idol
13 = right now and what he thinks about his oh so thrilling future.

I can already tell what the chapters are going to be about based on the chapter titles and it seems like one big yawn fest

LOL. No bonus points for you. We all know the skeleton of the story, so we could guess those too. In fact, many of us here can guess the contents of all the chapters (e.g. “Lost And Found In Music City” is probably about his time in Nashville).

Yes, we can guess the chapters because it’s the story of his life. That’s usually what happens in biographies. One doesn’t normally try to “change the plot” because most people will say “This isn’t a biography…this is fiction”.

It will depend on the stories and the writing to see if it is yawnfest or not. By the time I read “Into Thin Air”, I knew the story…bunch of obsessed people push the limits too far and die. Nevertheless, Krakauer managed to make it interesting to me.

Some biographies are interesting and some are dull. I try not to judge a book by it’s cover (or it’s chapter names). I find most celebrity biographies to be terribly written, though, so I don’t have much hope, but you never know. I suspect, though, that most of the people who will enjoy this biography will at least have a passing interest in it’s subject.

If you watch So You Think You Can Dance, one of the dancers did a solo to A Song For You by Elliott. I won’t say who to spoil the show.
What great exposure. Radname, you are very funny tonight.

I won’t be getting Taylor’s “inspirational” book, either. Yes, the chapter titles are obvious and trite and the book will probably be as well. I bet he has a ghost writer to make it sufficiently chicken soupish. Who knows? I may be interested in the twists and turns of his life 30 years from now, but not yet.

I love memoir writing when it’s well done (Mary Karr, for example). I don’t like books that just capitalize on stardom. I don’t fault Taylor for taking it to the bank, but I doubt it’s something that I would want to invest my time in reading. I’d probably prefer to watch Big Brother. LOL.

Well since RCA is not expecting “My December” to be a big hit it seems a little strange for them to be expecting any “recoupment”…LOL!

From what I understand about recoupment is that the artist goes in debt or they will apply those fees against the next album?

Experts?

..Warning label: 2007 winner Jordin Sparks won with the same tableau as McPhee. Will the label also transition the latter from what comes naturally, alienating the fan base? Now is the time for lessons to be learned…

Heh. Sorry. Reposting…

Clarkson gets ‘Sober’; McPhee tells ‘Love Story’
BILLBOARD

…Warning label: 2007 winner Jordin Sparks won with the same tableau as McPhee. Will the label also transition the latter from what comes naturally, alienating the fan base? Now is the time for lessons to be learned…

http://www.insidebayarea.com/music/ci_6249624

I wonder since “Breakaway” made so much money for the label, can some of that profit be used as “recoupment” for “My December”?

Maybe that is why RCA shelled out $600K for the “Never Again” video and $300K for promoting the song on the radio according to the Friedman article because “Breakaway” made them millions of dollars.

1. The Gray Haired Boy In The Bubble
2. Crying Time
3. Unchain My Heart
4. Sweet Home Alabama
5. In My Time
6. Lost And Found In Music City
7. Hit The Road Jack
8. The Wedding Singer
9. A Change In The Weather
10. Viva Las Vegas
11. Gone Hollywood
12. Takinà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢ It To The Streets
13. The Right Place
Encore: Whatà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢d I Say

:lol_tb:

Interesting point raised by Billboard: Kat was known for her big ballads during AI thus pushing Kat as a R&B/Pop princess doesn’t quite fit.

That dilemma could also apply to Paris. Paris’ strengths were her jazz renditions not as a Beyonce wannabe. Paris should have released a Jazz Christmas album like she was rumored to do rather than what she did release.

I can already tell what the chapters are going to be about based on the chapter titles and it seems like one big yawn fest

9. A Change In The Weather
10. Viva Las Vegas
11. Gone Hollywood
12. Takinà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢ It To The Streets
13. The Right Place
Encore: Whatà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢d I Say

9 = Hurricane Katrina, perhaps heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢ll talk about what a travesty it was
10 = oh getting a free plane ticket to vegas so he can try out for american idol! how thrilling!
11 = being on american idol. maybe this is where heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢ll reveal his secrets that Simon is actually nice behind the scenes and that what they say on the show is just an act!
12 = post idol
13 = right now and what he thinks about his oh so thrilling future.

Wow, this sounds exactly like a Taylor Hick’s autobiography! Who woulda thunk, eh?

I wonder since à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“Breakawayà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  made so much money for the label, can some of that profit be used as à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“recoupmentà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  for à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“My Decemberà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ?

YES! It’s called cross-colaterization. Once you get out of recoupment for the first album, they start holding back a percentage of the royalties to be used as a hedge against the next album failing.

So, if you made $250,000 after recoupment on your first album, they might keep $100,000 to cover costs for the next album.

And vice versa. If you lose $100,000 on your first album, you have to pay back that and the costs of your second album before you get paid.

griz, I think “The Right Place” chapter will refer to his being in the right place at the right time of his life.

griz, I think à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“The Right Placeà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  chapter will refer to his being in the right place at the right time of his life.

Yep! I think you’re absolutely right! This book will have a place next to my Davy Jones and Micky Dolenz autobiographies. :tongue1_tb:

Maybe they will publish an second edition a year from now with an extra chapter detailing his romance with news lady?

I don’t need to know those details. LOL

…detailing his romance with news lady?

Film at 11:00.

LOL, maybe not, NOLA, but some will buy it a second time for such details.

Boulder… where’s the aforementioned photochop? I expect to see it here when I awake. Ahem.

Now why couldn’t there have been a chapter called “I’m Too Sexy For My Shirt”? That was song, wasn’t it? Dayum.

for griz

http://youtube.com/watch?v=ipZDG6__Zfc

Boulderà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦ whereà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s the aforementioned photochop? I expect to see it here when I awake. Ahem.

LOL….my priorities must be effed up. Instead of working on photochops I am watching the Democratic debate on PBS. Mybad.

ETA:
Will see what I can do for my good friend PJ.

Thanks PJ! See, now *that* coulda made a few pages mouth watering haha!